Conscious Co Creation with DeBorah Bellony

In this transformative episode of the Dead America Podcast, host Ed Watters welcomes DeBorah Bellony—founder of WHO I Am Communications, astrologer, author, and conscious co-creation coach—for an enlightening conversation on self-discovery and spiritual growth. DeBorah takes us through her fascinating journey, beginning with a basketball scholarship that set the foundation for a life shaped by deep introspection and a calling toward astrology and the metaphysical. She introduces key concepts of conscious co-creation, explaining how aligning our thoughts, emotions, and actions with universal principles can help us transcend the veil of illusion and awaken to our soul’s true purpose. Through thoughtful dialogue, DeBorah emphasizes the importance of understanding the mind-body connection, honoring inner wisdom, and embracing spiritual practices that guide individuals toward a harmonious and meaningful life. Her insights offer practical advice for anyone seeking to create intentionally, discover inner peace, and grow beyond limiting beliefs. Whether you're new to conscious co-creation or exploring your own spiritual path, this episode offers guidance, empowerment, and deep clarity. Tune in to gain tools for living with authenticity, purpose, and joy. 00:00 Introduction to Body and Mind Connection 00:55 Meet DeBorah Bellony 01:16 DeBorah's Unique Journey 06:30 The Importance of Conscious Co-Creation 16:42 Understanding the Veil of Illusion 35:26 The Universe's Tests and Responsibilities 36:36 Resurrection and Reincarnation 38:33 Unity Through Actions 44:12 Conscious Co-Creation Principles 45:07 Embracing Pain and Growth 46:40 The Role of Universal Principles 49:07 Setting Boundaries in Life 49:43 The Four Questions of Conscious Co-Creation 51:20 The Importance of Honesty 53:27 Understanding Life's Cycles 01:02:49 The Power of Perception 01:06:26 Final Thoughts and Contact Information http://whoiamcommunications.com / deborah-bellony-38328a9

Episode Transcript

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Our body, once we love our body asmuch as our body loves us, it's like
we do our body the worst disservice.
It's constantly working.
I believe our mind and ourbody work together to serve
our higher purpose, right?
But right now, the mind has kindof taken control of the gig.

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Today, we are speakingwith DeBorah Bellony.
She is the founder of WHO I AmCommunications, she's the author of
two books and she's working on a third.
DeBorah, could you pleaseintroduce yourself?
And let people know just alittle more about you, please.

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Okay.
My name is DeBorah Bellony, I wasborn in the US to Caribbean parents.
My, my mother's Mantega,my father's from Dominica.
I'm the youngest of foursiblings and the only girl.
And I, I'm an author, astrologer,conscious co-creation coach, and

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I have a very unique and windingroad to the path that took me to
this place where I'm at today.
Um, so before I even get started, Ijust wanna start with two quotes to
express how unique that path was.
The first quote would be from Mark Twainwho says, uh, The two most important days

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of your life is the day you were born andthe day you found out why you were born.
And, um, as astrologer, I really,I feel that's so important.
Um, we're all, we are all, weall, we, we don't realize how
much we are one with nature.
You know, we look at plants,you plant a seed in the, in the
ground, it grows and so forth.

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And we're all, we're all made ofthe same stuff that, of stars.
So if we're made of stars, thatmeans we're seeded to do something.
And I think, to give you an analogy,people understand if someone like,
who's a musician or an athlete,they could go as far as maybe
playing elementary or high school.
Some people go as faras playing in college.

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Other people, um, play music regionallyand then you have some people who go
nationally and then internationally.
Um, we kind of understandthat, that there's that, um,
progress or that potential.
But there's also that same seedfor people who are star seeded to
do stuff that are not as common,like spiritual growth, you know?

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And, uh, I think for those people,life is a little harder because
it's not, um, consensus realityin terms of what, what it is.
Or they may not even know, theymight be judging themselves from
what other people are doing.
And they're not seeded todo this different thing.
And the moment you realize why youare here, it's just like, oh my gosh.

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Now I understand why I am a, I'ma swan and not a duck, you know?
So that's the first quote, and it'sleading up, the second quote is, um, I
love this quote, it's called, While we'replaying checkers, God is playing chess.
And basically what that means is that,okay, if you look at the, the chess

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board, it's the same board whetheryou're playing checkers or chess.
But you can look at checkersas being like a lower mind, you
just hopping over the other one.
This is what I want, this is how Iwant things to go, as the lower mind.
Whereas when you are on the chessboard, from the higher vision, where
our guides, and God kind of knowswhy we're here, we kind of forgot.
Um, you start off as apawn, but guess what?

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You could evolve to become a knight,or a king, or what have you, but the
path is long and we go on that path.
And I think that's what happened to me.
I wanted, I started off, I playedon a basketball scholarship when
I graduated from undergrad from,um, Borner Park High School.
I went, um, played inNorth Carolina Central.
Then I wanted to, um,to be, uh, a publisher.

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I went to NYU to learn book and magazinepublishing and that's what I was gonna do.
And then after that I wentto graduate school to learn,
um, nonprofit administration.
And then I thought that was what Iwas gonna do, work for Georgia Black
United Fund and different nonprofits.
And I got disheartened from that.
It's like, and then I went, uh, left allof that, I studied acupuncture in Sri

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Lanka and um, homeopathy and I loved that.
But it was, just like theneedles, there was something more.
So I was again, on another search.
Then I ended up working at the Universityof Creation Spirituality in Oakland.
And then I ended up workingat the Astrological Institute
in Scottsdale, Arizona.
And it's not that all of thesethings were failures, but

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they were steps along the way.
I remember hearing from one quote thatsaid, What if all of the life's challenges
is not because you're doing anythingwrong, but it's that you're being prepared
to be initiated to another level that,you know, that transcends a lot of things.
When you look at someone like Peleor you look at someone like Sting,

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it doesn't matter what religionyou are, what race you are, you,
you are my Pele in one generation.
I have a young, my, my, um, best friend's,um, uncle, he loves Pele because he has,
uh, evolved in his sport to that level.
And I think, um, when we understandwhat we came here to do spiritually,

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which I had to find out in 2012.
Um, and we'll talk more about that,but I'll give you a chance to, uh,
to ask me some questions on that.
DeBorah, you are a very deep person afterlooking through and researching you.
You are very active in many, uh,things to advocate for people.

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One of the things that you talkabout is conscious co-creation.
I'm really interested in that,and I am really interested
in what you mean by that.
Could you explain to us what that means?
Yes.
So basically we are always co-creatingwith the Creator of all there is.

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Like when we say we eat a meal, do wego through and digest every bit of it?
Or when a, a woman has a baby,they're creating a child,
but they're co-creating it.
It's like the face, thefashion, all of that.
So, we're always co-creatingwith the Creator.
So our life, the way it is, whether welove it or whether we don't love it,

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it's what we've been co-creating withour thoughts, our ideas, and so forth.
The things that we say thatwe're not aware of, we're
co-creating it every moment.
It doesn't just stop with thebaby or the food, it starts with
your thoughts and your emotions.
So to co-create consciously means thatyou understand the power of the word I am.
Whatever comes after I am isa powerful word of causation.

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So to consciously co-create, there arecertain laws that are around that help us
to understand that we are co-creating withthe Creator what there is of our reality.
And I think if people understood that, Imean, most people, we don't believe that.
It's just, just words.
Because we've had so muchheartbreaks in our lives.
I talk about that in, um, my book.

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The four, um, isms that, becauseour heart is like electromagnetic
energy, so many, so much powerful,more than the mind, right?
But we block that power whenwe have these heartbreaks.
And the three places in life I feelthat we've all had some heartbreaking
away from each direction in every wayis the isms that I focus on, which

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is, uh, racism, sexism, and ageism.
You know, those are the likegenerational age discrimination,
um, gender wise, and race.
Those are the, those are thethree that I think because it's
so elusive in our society, thesethings that, that they affect us on.

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It doesn't matter how, or fromwho, or what direction, we're
all affected by these things.
And, um, because of that, we lose a lotof our power access to that, to the heart.
So part of my journey that started in2012 when I started, like I was saying
before the breakup, that I did all thesedifferent things in my life and, um,

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wasn't until 2012 when I really foundout what I was really star seeded to do.
And I mean, I ran from, when I wasworking, when I was living in Arizona,
working at the Astrological Institute, Iremember, um, that we used to have to do,
it was the first accredited program forastrology and psychology in the world.
I remember there was people likeat Dateline 2020 saying, How can we

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take government money for astrology?
That's not even a crediblefield and all of that.
And I remember, and youknow, in 1986 it was illegal.
It was illegal to even practice it.
So now we have this accredited program.
I ended up there serendipitouslythrough my travels, they needed a
development officer and my graduatedegree was, uh, nonprofit administration.

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So I ended up, um, at the timewhen I was living in Arizona, um,
I was at, I was working at ChangingHand bookstore and someone came
in and said, You know, there's acreditor program for astrologists.
So I ended up going and serendipitouslythey needed some of my skills.
So I ended up being able to take classesand, and I learned a lot about it.
But, um, almost, I lost mytrain of thought what I was,

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I was saying, but um, yeah.
So I found out that, that who, whenwe used to do these vocational,
um, events and, you know, to getstudents to become astrologers, they
used to laugh us out the building.
You know, when they have thesefairs for students to come to.
Um, so in my, in the back of mymind, who wants to be in a, a field

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that is looked down upon, right?
So I got into other things, you know,I went to the writing and everything.
But it's really what Iwas star seeded to do.
It's just that it wasn'tpopular, you know what I mean?
And so twenty years laterI come back full circle.
That was like in 2002, Ithink, when I worked there.

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And then I ended up goingall, all these other things.
But the universe put me in the right placewhen I was in Mexico and it took me six
cities to get there, it was a long path.
And I talk about it in my blog.
But I thought I was going thereto teach English as a second
language, ended up house sitting.
And that's when in 2012, a lot ofpeople don't realize, you know, how

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the Mayan prophecies they talked aboutthe end of the world in 20, 2012.
That's what people, that was thesense of, sense of, you know,
sense it, what's that word?
Like sensationalism about what happened.
But if people really lookclosely at 2012, a lot of people
got their mission in 2012.
It shifted direction in 2012, and it hadto do with Neptune going into Pisces.

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A lot of people at that time,however, what people also don't
realize, the Mayan calendar didn'tsay it was the end of the world.
It was end of an era.
And what also happened in 2012is that there was a thing that
happens every 150 years, whichis called the Venus occultation.
Where the, the, the, Venus goesacross the face of the sun.

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That happens in pairs, and it happenslike every a hundred and something years.
Now Venus also has a eight year cycle.
So when you take 2012 and you addeight, what does that give you?
What year does that give you?
2020? Is that, is that correct?
What does, what does that tellyou about what happened in 2020?

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The world shut down.
So, so it's like nothing happens, likepeople think, oh, that was nothing.
'Cause they didn't seeanything happen at that moment.
But everything is a progression.
We're talking about theend of a major cycle.
Not the end of the world,just the end of a major cycle.
So if people were reading thesigns in 2012 was a very crucial

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time that wasn't out yet.
Eight years later, when Venus completedits eight year cycle, it came in 2012.
You know, so I think we're so, we're soused to the quick thing that happened
that we think like, oh, nothing's happenedbecause it didn't happened yesterday,
like everybody said it would, you know?
So, so there's that.
And, and in 2012 is when Istarted to get these downloads.

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I call it the, um, the reluctantastrologer journey to revealing
the mega, the, um, Maggi mysteries.
So there's a system called theDestiny Cards, which was preserved
in the regular playing cards, I'vebeen studying it for many years.
But it wasn't until 2012 when I startedto get all these other downloads.
How it's connected to math and how it'sconnected to so many different things.

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And it's been a thirteen yearjourney just getting used to all
the things about what the systemreally means, it's just amazing.
And I was a reluctant astrologer inthat because it was so much of my time,
so much of my sacrifices I had to do.
Um, at the time I wasn't workinglike I had to live what I call

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the Buckminster Fuller's life.
Are you familiar with Buckminster Fuller?
I am not.
Buckminster Fuller was,is a, an architect.
He was an architect that was known formaking the geodesic dome that you see in
Oh, okay.
Yep.
Yeah.
And he, he's been, he's been knownto have some very great quotes.

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Like, You don't change things by,um, looking at where they're at.
You make a better model andmake the other model obsolete.
I know you've probablyheard of that quote.
He's, um, known for that, you know,Humanity Is In It's 11th Hour, you know?
But a lot of what people don't know about,about Mr. Fuller is that he, he lived a
life where he was ready to commit suicide.

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He was, um, he, he got kicked outof Harvard, um, you know, he just
felt his life was a, a failure.
At one time, he was just like,I'm just gonna take my life.
But the universe was like,no, we got work for you.
And he's like, Well, if you're gonna makeit happen, it's just gonna have to happen.
So he lived a life, what I thinkwas so amazing is that it's
more, I could appreciate more.
'Cause he had, he had a wife and children.

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But he's like, the moneycomes, it's gonna happen.
If it doesn't come, it doesn't happen.
And that's how he lived his life.
If it wasn't, the money didn't show up,it showed up when it needed to show up.
So that's what I had to do backin 2012, I had to live this
life of just complete surrender.
And I remember I have a friendthat kind of lived like that.
She's a famous actor who just recentlypassed, um, Barbara O. And I'm like, Oh,

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I can never live like, I need to knowwhere my money's coming from, I got to.
And little did I know while I wasplaying checkers, universe was
playing chess, lining me up to whereI needed to be, to get what I needed
to get, to do what I need to do.
And, and that's life, you know?
So, um, I just wanted to share that.

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Yeah.
It, it's strong and powerful.
You know, when we line up the stars,if you will, we, we just happen.
And, and it's, I, I'm Christian and I havebeen watching for these certain signs in
the stars for as long as I can rememberbecause these signs tell us things and I,

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I really believe wholeheartedly in that.
I, I'm not a master in the craftat all, but I do understand there
are signs and I, I do understandwhat signs we're looking for.
Can I spot those?
Not really.
And look at the three wise men.
Exactly.
So, you know?

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Yeah.
The three, the three wise men learned.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It, it's all by inspiration anyway.
And you know, I think it, it's reallygoing into the next subject that
I wanted to speak with you about.
You speak of the veil of illusion.

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You know, I, I think, in our worldtoday, we're full of disillusion.
And I, I really think that we'reveiled with illusion, if you will.
We're covered with it.
So, did I misunderstandwhat you mean by that?

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Or what are you talking about whenyou speak of the veil of illusion?
Okay, so
there, how do I, how would I say that?
There's so much that I'velearned on my path, you know?
Um, I'll use an example of my own mother.

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My mother, she was a memberof the Rosicrucian Society.
I knew it when I was growingup, but I was on my own path.
And I thought all thesepeople, they dunno anything.
Blah, blah, blah.
But once she passed away and Ihappened to see her books, not only
was she a Rosicrucian, she was atthe highest degree of Rosicrucian.
She was at the 12th level.

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When I saw that and when I looked at thestuff that she had, I, my mouth dropped.
'Cause I was like, here, I thought mymom was just, you know, Catholic, Seventh
Day Adventist, she's doing this and that.
And then little did I know she was,uh, privy to so much information.
And I started to, that wasthe biggest gift she gave me.
Because I like to use thisanalogy, I use this a lot.

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I talk about, there's two types of beingand there's two states of being, okay?
The two types of being are, the two statesof being I should start with are, asleep.
When you're asleep,you don't hear nothing.
And the other state ofbeing is being awake, right?

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Um, if you're asleep and someoneis talking to you about financial
problems or whatever, whatever thething is, you are not hearing anything.
It's going through one earand out 'cause you're asleep.
Now we all have states of asleep andawake and the other two states of
being are initiated and uninitiated.
And we, we all are awake andinitiated in certain areas of our

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life and asleep and uninitiatedin other areas of our life, right?
And interestingly enough, thetwo play off of each other.
Sometimes it takes the ones whoare asleep to initiate the ones who
are woke and, um, and vice versa.
So now I'll give you anexample of my mother.
When my mom passed, uh, I realizedshe didn't have, not one cent.

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I knew the importance of like leavinga financial legacy, but when I had
to go through my mom's stuff whenshe passed and five times I saw
life insurance policies that she letlapse, I was like, and I had to come
to the realization she had nothing.
And, um, that, uh, woke me to theimportance of leaving a financial legacy.

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However, I'm now going throughthe initiation, through my
star seeded way of doing it.
Not the way that society says makemoney this way, that way, that way.
I'm now going through the initiationof knowing how important it is
to leave a financial legacy.
And my path is quiteinteresting, is quite telling.

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But just like Buckman Fuller, when he wasready to give it up, he just trusted the
process and it landed him to be one ofthe most popular and beloved people in
the nonprofit world, architectural world.
So, um, I don't know if I answeredyour question, so I hope I did.
but that's,

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Well regardless, DeBorah,that was on my list.
You know, that very thing about yourmother and the legacy building, you
know, it's really important for peopleto understand that some things trigger

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us to understand why we're here.
And sometimes, you know, for instance,myself, I, I feel like I'm walking this
lonely road, but there's so many with me.
And, and it's interesting thatit, it took disaster in my life

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to spark that road of discovery.
Because I was stupid, I was justlost, and I was stumbling around
in life just hoping for the best tocome my way instead of initiating it.
And, you know, baby steppingwhat I want into existence.

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Because sometimes we start late in lifeand then, then we discover, Oh, I wish
I could have started this way back here.
But is that going to stopus from that calling?
And I can tell that you havethis calling and a gift.

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So another thing that you talkabout is Will Allen and Karen
Parker and not ever giving up.
I think that falls right into line withwhat we are talking about here, is it not?

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Yes, yes.
They had The Growing Power.
And I mean, it was, it was so,I mean, it's amazing how that
thing lasted for twenty years.
But, um, dysfunction and all of that,it's still, it was something I learned
about not giving up that's so importantbecause, um, you could be half an hour,
a half a minute away from a miracle ifyou just stay consistent to the goal.

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And, um, again, to like the chess and thecheckers, you start off as a pawn, right?
But with time you can learn how toget to the other side of that board.
It's almost as if to say, when youlook at the relationship with God and
man, God comes down in man, man in man.

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So that man could rise up to become God.
So God becomes man, soman could become God.
This is the evolution.
Just like you see water going downand up, and this is the evolution
that we're all star seeded to do.
This is something, and now some people,they may not go all the way, like I
said, to the international level of,of sportsmanship or musician where you

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could just be known by your first name,Sting, Prince, and if everybody does,
it doesn't matter what nationalitythey are, that's how we need to grow.
No one doubts that a babywill one time walk and grow
and have children of his own.
We know that that's its seeded potential.
But guess what?
If we're only using 10% of our brain, whatkind of potential do we have to evolve to

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and what potential have we fallen from?
So it's like there's somuch more to evolve to, but
there's the consensus reality.
And to be initiated means that there'sgonna be a lot of people who are asleep
that are gonna be knocking you allupside your head so that you could be
initiated, to awaken that part of you.
And they'll go through thesame thing, and we're all going

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through it in cycles and cycles.
One of the, I'm just gonna readone of my famous quotes from
George Washington Carver, and Isee how important it is in life.
He says, How far you go in life dependson your being tender with the young,
compassionate, compassionate with theaged, sympathetic with the striving,

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tolerant of the weak and strong.
Because someday in your life you willhave been all of these things, okay?
We would've been all of these things.
And so when I look at people atwhatever stage they're in, it's
not for me to worry because Iunderstand, I believe in past life.

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And I believe the true Christians were theEssenes, they believed in reincarnation
in their doctrine.
So, um, even in the, in themore ancient form of, of, uh,
of Christianity, there was thisunderstanding of, of reincarnation.
I mean, we don't get it in one life.
We don't learn all what we learnin one grade, we go to 10th,

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12th, college, on and on and on.
And so when we understand that, weunderstand there's two forces in life.
There's forces goingdown and going back up.
There's this constantevolution of cycles of growth.
And, uh, once we understandthat, we understand where
we're at in that, that pattern.
We don't knock anybody else,whether it be apparent.

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It's all needed in order for us to beexactly where we're at any given time.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
You know, the, the cycles like that,those dark times, when we're going
down, it really lightens us, itlightens our load because it crushes us.
And it really makes us able to get backup without all of the debris on us.

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And it, it, it's funny how thingsdo line up in this universe.
The world is part of this greatbig energy and there's so,
so much hatred in our world.
And, and I'm, I, I really look at thata lot in my life and I, I, I have went

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through those cycles of hatred myselfand I wonder why do we have to hate
before we can figure out what love is?
Have you got any answers so far?
Uh, I've gotten a lot of answersand, uh, uh, the meaning is

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really not clear yet to me.
But I, I do understand it's moreabout humanity and all of us as a
completeness and a wholeness, butI don't see how it all comes back
together to that greatness yet.

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I, I know it's going to.
So what I talk about in mybook, I use the analogy, I use
this analogy in my book, okay?
So imagine you have two people, theyjust married and they're in love.
They got a beach resort.
They're looking outside on theirpatio and they're looking at the
night sky and they see a beautifulfalling star go down like that.

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They're like, Wow, that's so amazing.
Amazing to them, but if you happento be life on that planet and you are
on that planet, it's hell and mayhem.
Because that's a whole end of acivilization of that star dying, right?
So what it is, is you have to,we have to raise our perspective
of what, of how we see things.

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You know, I have a quote I say, When wefocus on the they, we're all gonna pay.
Because it's all God.
And that's the title of mythird book, It's All God.
And it's the generator, operator,destroyer, these are the three modes
of, of creation, going through creation.
It's the same way, like if you have aphone, um, and the battery runs out,

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you have to put it on dark, plug itin, and let it recharge so that it
could come back another day, you know?
Um, when it's light, one placeis dark in another place.
And this polarity is something thatthese people in these so called
societies and everything understand.
They understand that polarity ishow everything stays in existence.
You know, you need nightand you need day, you know?

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And so once you understand that,that's part of a bigger cycle.
The crap that we eat, it goesback in compost and it comes
back and it feeds us one day.
If we understand life as a journeyof that sort, we understand
that there's constant movement.
And even though now we're dark, anotherday, you know, it's gonna rise, you know?
So we just, I think astrology helpswith that because we understand

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where we're at in our personalevolution when we understand it.
But see, I have a way that I look atastrology and I think this is important.
'Cause now that astrology'sbecoming more popular,
I think it had a bad rap before.
And if other people are practicingin a way, oh, this means you're
gonna, doomsday this, that.
It's like people wanna run fromastrology, they don't wanna hear bad news.

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But the way, I, I, I talk about twoanalogies, how I look at astrology.
I look at it like youhave a farmer, right?
They know what seed to plant, they knowwhat seed is, they know what time is the
best to plant it, and they know what,how much time it takes to plant the seed.
But that farmer is useless if shedoesn't till the soil, plant the seed,

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water it, nurture it, take care of it.
You see, it's just thatinformation is not gonna help
that person if they don't use it.
It's not what Astrology's goingto use, well, how you're using it.
And then you have the exampleof a doctor, you know?
She's a surgeon, a surgeon goes intothe operation room, what does she wear?

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Does she wear a police outfit?
No, she doesn't put on a policeoutfit, she puts on scrubs because
that's the best outfit to do thatjob that she was star seeded to do.
Does the scrubs, does the scrubs make hera doctor or does a doctor make the scrubs?

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You see?
So once we understand that, we understandthat, to be a conscious co-creator, so
understanding the journey and your lifepath and your cycles to make better
choices is half, and that's another way Ilook at it, it's to make better choices.
It's just not to know your life pathand make the same old dumb mistakes.
It's sort of like once you knowyour life path, you have a light

(30:50):
bill and you have a, uh, a gasbill, you forgot which one to pay.
The gas bill was due, butyou paid the light bill.
Well, guess what?
Your gas is going to be outbecause you didn't pay the
right bill at the right time.
So there's times when we need to focuson certain things and when we focus on it
at that time, we get the benefits of it.
But to distill the work of clearingthe mental and emotional blockages.

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So now I'm gonna get to the crux ofwhat I experienced in 2012 is that when
I was there and I was house sittingfor like thirteen years there and
I had to clear a lot of mental andemotional blockages that stopped me.
I must have went through likeover twenty different techniques
of healing and whatnot.
But to know is just halfthe battle as GI Joe says.

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The other half is to clear thosesubconscious blocks that prevent us
from living out our natural nature.
We are not our sign, we'renot our heart or our sign.
We are our, as, uh, divineessence of the Creator within us.
We're an expression of that.
However, because we have allthese blockages, I wanna know what

(31:55):
is stopping us from expressingthat, that divinity within us.
And that's where astrology can help.
If it could help, you know,in terms of how it's practiced
and how people approach it.
Yeah.
Well, well, cycles, everything isa cycle and we, we, if we're aware
of that, it, it goes well for us.

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You know, my cousin used to tell us allthe time, the seven Ps. Proper Prior
Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
And I think that's really importantfor people to plan properly and
understand what they're planning.
And a lot of us, we, wego through life without

(32:44):
a cause per se.
You know, we're, we're stumbling andwe, we are chasing somebody else's dream
because we see this person doing that.
So we think we should dothat, so we can fit that.
And that's not best for us.

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We, we really should understand whatpassion is and understanding how to
attach ourselves to that passion.
Because you, you call it star seeding,but you do have a, you do have a

(33:26):
calling and I can guarantee it.
It may come later in life,it might come early in life.
We don't know that.
But there's a time, a place,and a reason for that.
I do 100% believe that.
So
Yeah, it's like, oh, sorry.

(33:47):
Well, well go ahead because I, Iwas just gonna end with how do we
understand that calling and howdo we avoid missing the calling?
So, um, I mean,

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astrology helps with understanding it, butnot everybody's gonna have access to that.
So life is just, is gonna teach us.
I think it would be cool if we thoughtthat this was the only life and that,
and I know this, I don't know howpeople believe in reincarnation, but
even if it wasn't the only life, um,
we're always gonna go back.

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We're always gonna have differentopportunities to, to do it.
So I don't, I'm not one person who sayslike, I'm thankful for all my experiences.
All the wrong things, all the thingsthat's happened that's not so good.
And if they're all, they're allinforming me of who I could still
be, because that doesn't changewhat you're star seeded to do.
It may not happen when you're this,so I wish it would've happened, but

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maybe there's all these points alongthe way is what you needed to get.
So that, like for example, youhave two cars that are brand new.
They're both brand new, they'vebeen put through the whole thing.
And one was not put on the trialtest and the other one was put on
for a trial test to see, you know,on the road, which one would you buy?

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Would you buy the one that wasn't testedor would you buy the one that was?
The one with the safety testing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So even though we're all star seeded to dothis stuff, it's like, my mama had a quote
when I was growing up, You never knowwhat's in an ant gut until you smoosh it.
But that's not, that's kind of graphic.

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But, but basically what she means isthat, um, we have to be, you know, so
many great plans to come and then whenin reality, the whole thing falls apart.
So the universe wants to make sure thatwe could appreciate what it is we have.
It's almost like the millionairewho, I think this is a true story.
He won the lottery and he lovedhis granddaughter, you know,

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and he gave her everything.
But he didn't test if she was readyfor that amount of money and she
got with the wrong person, shestarted doing drugs, and she died.
It's almost like you have a child,you love them, you want them to
have a car, you give them the car.
But what they don't have is thedriver's license, what happened?
They could die, you know?
So we're, we're tested to makesure that we are ready for

(36:21):
this kind of responsibility.
It's a big responsibility to comehere and at this time to do the work.
And, um, so the tests are part of thejourney, part of the initiation, you know?
The sleep and the wake andthe initiated and uninitiated.
Well, you know, I, I do believe,you know, as a Christian, we, we

(36:44):
say we are going to be resurrected.
That's reincarnation.
Uh, uh, Jesus says, Youshall be born again.
Uh, so, you know, our understandingof all of this may not be perfect,
but I, I do understand that I will dieand be resurrected in, in my belief.

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So a lot of people do argue aboutwords, but the meaning behind the words
are still the same meaning behind thewords, no matter how they're spewed.
So I, I think we really need tounderstand how to love and get along more.

(37:33):
Because we're really good at hatingand defying what this, this body
can produce excellent things andwe choose to do wrong things.
And I believe that's why we are here.
I believe we're supposed to experienceall of this sin, so we wanna spew it

(37:59):
out and not experience it anymore.
And that way when the new Kingdom doescome down, we won't see all of this hatred
and vileness that we're experiencingbecause none of us will want it.
Uh, what do you think about that?

(38:20):
I got caught up in what you're saying.
I had something in my mind andI was like, Okay, lemme just let
go of that and just hear you.
And so like, my response could beas, uh, natural as, as, as possible.
Um,
I feel that,

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there's a quote, there's a quotethat I wrote when I was younger.
It said, People are always separated byideas, concepts, and religion, right?
But they're always broughttogether by their actions.
So what do I mean by that?

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A person that has the seed of goodnessinside of them, it don't matter if the
person is Muslim, Christian, it don'tmatter, they are going to find a way to
gravitate to each other and do something.
They're gonna transcend allthe differences because that
is what they are seeded to do.
They don't care about religion,they don't care about all that
'cause they see all saying the samething anyway in a sense, right?

(39:27):
So people could useanything to, to do anything.
They brought so-called and capturedAfricans in the Good Ship Jesus,
you know, to the US, um, to theAmericas is what, how the story goes.
So people could use anything.
They could have all the titlesin the world, Marxist, this,

(39:49):
this, that, this, left, right.
When you have people who are doingsomething, they let go of all those
titles and they focus on what is good.
They see beyond all of that.
So that's why I said when you focuson a, they, they, we all gonna pay.
Because my path had ledme to what I'm at now.

(40:11):
It started with many things, I wasin this movement and that movement.
I know when to shed thosemovements because they're
limiting my essence, growth.
I know when to let them go.
So it's not for me to preach aboutanybody who's at this path and this.
It works for them, it works for them.
But you telling me, someone preachingto me about Christianity and this
and that and this is what youneed, or you're gonna go to hell.

(40:31):
I'm like, Listen, some, it's just,to me, that's just like someone
telling me, I'm looking at a tree, Isee a mango tree and they're trying
to tell me that it's an orange tree.
They're going in and on all the factsin the world about how this is an orange
tree and I see mangoes growing from thattree, you think I'm gonna believe them?

(40:51):
You think I'm gonna believe them?
That that is an orange tree when Isee mangoes growing from that tree.
So people, I tell people, this isanother quote of mine, Religion, not
children, should be seen and not heard.
Religion, not children,should be seen and not heard.
What do I mean by that?

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You will see it in a person if they'reso called what they say they are.
And if they're not, their actions, somepeople say, I can't hear you because
your actions are so loud, I can'thear a word you're saying, you know?
So, yeah.
That's right.
I, I agree a hundred percent with that.

(41:34):
You know, and, and that's whyI don't use a lot of preaching
in my, you know, podcast.
I, I believe that's up tothe individual to understand.
However, I do have beliefs that guide me.
And I, I too believe a hundredpercent that Christianity especially

(41:57):
has a bad name because people don'tunderstand what you just outlined.
It, it's through how you act,what you do, not what you say.
You know, what you say is easy tosay, but I, I see so many people
using good intention to profitthemselves, and that's pure evil.

(42:23):
And that has given so manygood intentions, a bad light.
So it is, it's up to each and every personto decide, are you gonna be good or bad?
I, I believe that a hundred percent.
And how we walk that is up to us.

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I, I believe there's a higherpower and I believe something
made us all for a reason.
Am I smart enough to figure all that out?
Uhuh.
That's why I'm speaking to you today,and I speak to everybody else because I
want to understand where everybody is,in not only their life, it's my life too.

(43:12):
Because I'm here with you and Iwant it to be harmonious and we
have to understand each other.
Not to force change on anyonebecause I can't make you
change, that, that's impossible.

(43:33):
You have to decide to honorthat and do it yourself.
And I, I don't even know if you wannachange, I, I don't care about that.
That's a personal, you know,it's a trip, it's a journey.
And as long as we can get through itwithout all of the hatred, violence,

(43:57):
and most of all, misunderstandings.
And that, that's byowning up to who we are.
Go ahead.
Right.
So one of the greatest gifts I'vegot from being on this journey

(44:17):
has taught me that, um, okay, sothere's three aspects of things.
The one is understanding yourlife path and cycles, you know, so
you can make better choices withastrology, whatever tools you have.
And then there's clearing the mentaland emotional blockages with certain
techniques I've, I've worked on thathelped me to clear certain things.

(44:37):
But there's another aspect which isinteresting because it's the aspect of
being okay with what is by understanding,the reason why we are not better conscious
co-creators is because there's certainways of, a conscious co-creator thinks.
I talk about the four questionsconscious co-creators ask, and
seven universal principles.

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So you have the actionsand the techniques.
So I'll give you an example.
So I had, I do the techniques, but mywrist was hurting me for a while and
I, I did the technique, it didn't work.
And I realized, Oh, Ineed to embrace this pain.
It's for a reason.
It's teaching me something, you see?
And that's where the universalprincipal come, comes in.
We think that we justwanna get out of pain.
Sometimes pain is necessary,sometimes pain is part of the

(45:22):
process to the next stage.
So techniques alone is not going to do it.
You can't depend, what is moreimportant than having a technique
and wanting to be out of pain isembracing pain to be out of pain.
There's a slight difference you, tosome people who just want to be out
pain and use techniques to a personthat applies universal principles of how

(45:45):
to live their life that embraces whatcomes so they can transform what is.
And so I realized that consciousco-creation coaching was a way
to teach people these principlesof how to live their life.
There's a certain way, like amusician, they know the seven notes.
They play it over and overand over to get better at it.
Um, they're not gonna be a master thefirst time they learn these principles,
but as they practice and get betterat it, better at it, and ask these

(46:08):
questions and cycles and cycle,their growth continues to evolve.
And that's what we're all doing.
We're all at different stages andwe're all, we all will get there
because we all came out of thesource and we all will go back.
So once we understand that, it justcreates a, it gives a certain level of,
um, contentment but not complacency.
So that's the balance.

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You wanna be content with the journey,but not complacent because we came here
for a reason to have these experiences.
And when we have these experiences,we understand these cycles, we
understand these universal principles.
Life brings us challenges, but it, it,it doesn't demolish us because we have
universal principles that guide our life.
And I had some student interns for mybusiness and I teach, and that's the

(46:50):
first thing I teach them, use seven,you know, principles of how to live.
And they, and then whenever we have aproblem, this is what my teacher taught
me when I studied the acupuncture, buthe used the seven laws of Kybalion.
But it's like, whenever welearn something, he goes,
What principal is that?
What principal?
So we're always thinking about whatuniversal principles am I dealing
with to handle this situation?
If they complain, okay, what principalare, are you dealing with right now?

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And then they have to tell meand then they're like, Okay.
So it's teaching them to, it'sgiving them a, it's, it's more than
just giving a, a technique, it'ssort of like giving someone a fish.
Whereas understanding universalprinciples, teaching them how to fish
for themselves to make their life better.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that a lot.

(47:33):
Uh, I believe in that principlewhere, teach them to fish so
they can feed themselves forever.
And, and so many want to control thefood per se in your life that, you know,
so many miss an abundantlife just because of that.

(47:55):
So, yeah, I, I think it, it'sreally good to be broad in how
you think and, you know, open tounderstanding because that's where
you're going to shift to true wisdom.
And it, it's, we, we didn't makethe world, we're just in the world.

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And there are these certainprinciples, if you fall off of
a cliff, you're going to die.
So we avoid cliffs, right?
So if we dive into experiencing what thoselimits truly are without crossing those

(48:40):
boundaries, that, that can be a good life.
However, how can we understandwhat the boundaries are if we're
not setting our boundaries?
When you say not setting yourboundaries, how do you mean?

(49:01):
To make sure I understand.
You mean, gimme an example.
Yeah.
Everything in life youhave to set a boundary on.
If you're eating, you haveto set your boundaries.
Are you going to eat too muchor are you going to eat enough?
There's that middle ground on everythingand or there's a cause and effect in life.

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So
we wanna find a balance in lifeand understand when that balance
is too far or not enough, becausea lot of us don't have enough.
And that's why I teach in my consciousco-creation workshop, I teach, I
talk about the four questions everyconscious co-creator must ask.

(49:50):
And in time you ask these questionsand it maybe every quarter, whatever,
because the answers to those questionswill change as you continue to grow.
And then you have the seven universalprincipals and, um, a, a teacher named
Almine, she talks about these, I forgotthe name, but she talks about the ten
questions to ask in relationships.
And I use that, um, because onceyou have these questions that you're

(50:14):
asking, and life is gonna teach you,you just live and you show up, whatever
frustrates you is your teacher.
Whatever, you know, is there, it'sgoing to be a pathway to initiate you.
So remember what I said earlier, you areasleep to that area about what to do.
So what's gonna happen?
You initiate it, you're initiated,actually, you are awoke to the
fact that this is a situation, butyou haven't been initiated into

(50:37):
understanding what to do about it.
So life and other people who may be asleepare going to put you through the process
of waking up and how you deal with these,answering these questions that are, your
guiding principles are going to lead you.
It's all about your integrityand, um, and I think that's what
America's going through right now.

(50:58):
It's, it's about, it's teaching us, it'snot about any politician or this or that.
It's about what do wetruly believe is true?
What is our value?
I'm watching people and they're makingdecisions, Whatever decision they make
is fine, but what do they have to denyreality in order to accept this thing?

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What is the true reason?
Where am I at right now is one of thequestions of the conscious co-creator.
Where am I at right now,emotionally, spiritually, physically?
We have to be honest.
If we're not honest about wherewe're at right now, if we're doing
things based out of fear, out ofwhatever, not wanting to change, what
have you, it's almost like someonetelling you, I wanna come pick you up.

(51:39):
Where are you?
And you don't give 'emthe right directions.
You are telling them where to go, andyou just start from another point.
You gonna get there?
No, 'cause you didn't, youdidn't, you weren't honest
about where you're at right now.
And another question thata conscious co-creator must
ask is, Where do I wanna be?
And when you ask the question ofwhere I want to be, it's the reverse.

(52:01):
Because in that sense, you don'tthink about where you're at right now.
You think about where you've been.
And a lot of times people can't,like my teacher used to say, I'm
asking you where you're going andyou tell me where you've been.
And what he meant by that is, a lotof times we can't envision where we
wanna be because we're so stuck in thereality of where we're at right now.
So a conscious co-creator knows whento ask certain questions so that

(52:21):
they can, and the more honest youare with these questions, the better
it is for your continued evolution.
And then I go into the sevenquestions, out of other things,
but I think this is so cool becauseonce you have these principles,
okay, so you have the principles,which I think is the foundation, and
the questions that you're asking.
Because it's teaching you howto guide yourself through life.

(52:41):
Second is techniques for clearingthe mental and emotional blockages,
the neuropeptides in our brainthat keep us acting the same way.
All of thinking and talking and wishing.
It's almost like you have a radioand you want peace, but you're
in the station of W-A-R, W-A-R iswhat's playing on your station.
That's all you're goingto hear is war music.

(53:03):
If you want, maybe you don't knowhow to change the frequency, you
may not know how, that's a problem.
But as long as you don't know how, oryou're too lazy to do it, whatever the
reason is, if you don't change that dial,all you're going to hear is W-A-R music.
So the techniques of how to shiftthe frequency in yourself is going to

(53:25):
help you be on that right frequency.
And then, like I said about understandingyour own personal life path and cycles,
like in the Destiny card system, the yearbegins on your birthday and it's broken
down to seven fifty-two day period, right?
And everybody has a certainperiod that's, each fifty-two
day period is ruled by a planet.
So then you know the cycles ofyour year of when certain things

(53:47):
happen, you make better decisions.
It's not to tell you that this isgonna happen, that, nothing happens.
It's sort of like when you'replaying cards, you know, um, you
could have a great deck of cards,great hand, or a terrible hand.
But the one who plays the cards rightare the ones, is the one who wins.
It's not based on always the greatcards or the not so great cards.

(54:07):
It's how you play it.
And so these are the stepping toolsthat a conscious co-creator uses
to navigate their life in a wayby having the right perceptions,
having the right understanding by,how to approach life, and having the
tools to clear up all the mental.
I'm also a, a postum meditation,meditator for many years, twenty years.
And it's a technique toallow seed life as it is.

(54:30):
For postumies accepting life as itis, not how you would want it to be.
Which is, which is related to the firstquestion a conscious co-creator asked.
It's not related to the secondone, which is, where do I wanna be?
It's related to the first one becausethat one will liberate you from all the,
some scars and all the past karma becauseyou're honest enough with yourself to
deal with the reality of where we're at.

(54:51):
This is on an individual level, thisis on a national level, this is on a
world level, this is on every level.
We have to be honest.
And then so the more honest weare, the more we go into the veil
of illusion that I talked about.
Because there's only so much ofthe iceberg that the average person
is, wants to see, or is even starseeded to see, what have you.

(55:13):
So the ones that are able to see deeperand longer into these long things
that have happened in an individual'slife, in a nation's life, in a world's
life, you know, the, the honest truthis there have been many times when
we've reset this program here on theearth 'cause we wanna save the earth,
but we don't need to save the earth.

(55:34):
We need to save humanity in thisform because when Mother Earth
is tired of us, she'll shakeus off with, like a bad habit.
And, but guess what?
Essence of who we are never dies sowe'll just evolve to the next stage.
I think the problem is that we'reafraid of change, the part of
us that's connected to form andperson is afraid of the next stage.

(55:55):
And we have all kind of religions andphilosophies that tell us, Oh, if you
do this, you'll be protected in heaven.
Or if you do this, this will happen.
And all these reasons are not good enough.
Because if they're only done becauseyou're afraid of this, or running from
that and not understanding what yourtrue essence is, your true nature is,
there's gonna be a time when you'regoing to have to get woke from that.

(56:18):
You're gonna have to go throughthe initiation of being awoke
and, and, and all of that.
And it's not a bad thing 'causethat's what we're here to,
we're here to have experiences.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, have you everexperienced deja vu?
Yes.
Yes.
Have you ever seen the movie Source Code?

(56:39):
The movie Source Code.
You should watch it if youcould get your hands on it.
I have not.
I, I'm not big on movies.
Oh, okay.
I just watch them because there's so muchthat they put in movies for us to get.
Science fiction is reallyscience fact in so many ways.

(56:59):
Like that's the mode that they teach us,train us to be at the, go on to the next
level of growth that needs to happen.
They have to put it in,in certain movies, right?
So I watch it for those purposes.
Yeah.
Well, well it's just, it's just aphenomena that has occurred so many

(57:19):
times in my life that it makes me wonder,Wow, how is this possible, you know?
And, and there's, this is, this is why,you know, many of us think linear in time
and, and I think it's so much more thanthat and we just don't understand it.

(57:44):
Or, because I, I can surefeel it in many ways.
And that is just one instance,that deja vu feeling.
I've been here, I've done this,I, I know what's coming next.
And so our world is so curious.

(58:05):
And my question to the people, Do you havea curious mind to understand what you're
in or do you just want to get throughit so you don't have to experience it?
That's what I, exactly what I wassaying about do I, am I just doing

(58:27):
these tools so I can run from painor am I using these understandings
of how, so that I can embrace it?
'Cause it's there to teach me something.
I mean, our body, once we love our bodyas much as our body loves us, it's like
we do our body the worst disservice.
It's constantly working.
I believe our mind and ourbody work together to serve
our higher purpose, right?

(58:47):
But right now, the mind has kindof taken control of the gig.
It's not asking the body for any help.
So that's why I said any techniquethat works on the subconscious level,
on the body technique, is what,what I learned to help clear that.
And the mind is a great teacher,I mean, um, student or, you know,
servant but a, oh, a terrible master.

(59:09):
I forgot how exactly how the saying goes.
But, um,
so we need a mind and we need a body.
But when they're, when we don't, whenwe don't understand, like, so we do
the body a disservice when, say you'reeating wrong, you're not doing right,
doing all, eating the wrong things.
And then you have a kneeache or a stomach ache.

(59:29):
Oh, my dang gone knee is giving out on me.
Well, guess what?
It needs to give you pain to let youknow you're doing this thing wrong.
And as soon as you, it gets yourattention, it's like, we're doing
everything here to make it work.
Well, we're gonna have to send out a painsignal because they're not listening.
And then when we do, Oh, that dang goneknee, and they're like, that's the worst,
that's, that's like betrayal to the body.

(59:51):
It's trying everythingthat's possible to help you.
It's, they're trying to do everything,our bodies is, is, is made for us to live.
But when we don't follow certainuniversal laws or whatever principles
for, we're going to suffer.
And that's a good thing that we did.
Imagine we just eat yourself intooblivion down, you know, you need

(01:00:12):
to have some kind of consequenceso you could get back in balance.
So it's not, we should embracethese things so that it can help
us get to the next level, you know?
I don't wanna get on my soap box.
Uh, so, so, you know, that, thatgoes into the fear and anxiety that

(01:00:34):
we feel, it's there for a reason.
Is it a warning, you know?
So we really have to be intune to our own personal self.
And when we have that moment, wehave to tune into that moment.

(01:00:55):
Why are we feeling that?
And I think that's part ofwhat you're talking about,
co-creation, being aware so you canactually, yes, instead of react,
you know, you can actually analyzeand experience instead of react.

(01:01:17):
Yes.
I mean, love, we all talk aboutlove, and love is a beautiful energy.
But love, let me tellyou, it is a catalyst.
It's gonna take anything that's not at itsfrequency and burn it out of our lives.
And who doesn't have so manythings that are preventing us from
being at that higher frequency.
It's just a great thought.

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Yes, we need to love, but inorder to do that, all kinds of
stuff is gonna have to come up.
Things, and that's what has gotme on the path that I've lived.
A totally different, unique paththat led me to all kinds of cities,
different things, all kinds of waysof being so that I can hold onto
the truth that, uh, I have to share.
And everybody is different.
And there's no one truth becauseeverybody has different perspectives

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how they look at the truth.
However, it's not about rightor wrong, it's about deciding
yes or no for your life.
You see?
So I could be here in Dominica whereI'm living, and we had a hurricane
five come right through, the eye of thehurricane five came right through us.

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A lot of people lost their houses.
I mean, their roof, their this and that.
But here in our reality,the roof stayed on.
There was, the trees fell, butone fell this way, that way,
this way, didn't hit the house.
So there's two realities that happen,one is one way and one is the next way.
And, you know, so there's, there's,there's, um, and I have another quote,

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Uh, it says, Our protectionis in our perception.
Our protection is in our perception.
It's not in what you could do here.
Get this and grab that,and do this and do that.
It's not going to save you at theend of the day if you perceive that
there's something outside of youthat can, um, affect you, you know?

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So I talk about all this in my book,Afraid of Our Own Shadow, a Manifesto
and Guide for Conscious Co-Creation.
It kind of tells a little bit ofmy story and, and, and these seven,
seven steps to conscious co-creation,it talks about it in that book.
And, and it is important because, um,

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everybody has their own certain path.
At the end of the day, we're alwaysgonna be judged by how far we
wanna go to stay on the love side.
We all start off so fresh on the loveside when we're young and when life
throws us this and that, we kind ofmisalign ourselves with that and we start
focusing on the they and we all pay.
And then, you know, finally we get to apoint through many lives, and that's what

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I realized when I looked at my chart.
I have the last degree ofScorpio, so I realized I must of
did everything in another life.
But this life is like theSource Code, I just came back.
I wanna clear up all of that, you know?
So that's why you don't judge people,because you don't know at what stage they
are in their own evolution, you know?
So I know that gets into other theories.

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But at the end of the day,it's not about right or wrong.
It's about choosingyes or no for yourself.
I'm not here to tell everybody thatthis is how it's supposed to be and
that, that I, I, who knows what isright and who knows what is wrong.
There's so much cloud of, veilof illusion that's out there.
There's no one out here who couldthink, they think they know something.
Because when I saw what my mom had when I,I'm like, there's a whole nother reality

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that we, that majority of us don't know.
Oh, so what we can do is decide this iswhat I value, yes to this or no to that.
And that's what this time ismaking everybody have to look at.
Are they're saying yes because thisis what they value, or are they saying
yes because this is what's gonnakeep me safe, or I don't wanna be

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that one out, or, this is challengingmy, my concept of what have you.
And these are the reasons those getto go back to the four questions
every conscious co-creator wasasked, where am I right now?
You know, what's the best?
And then the third is, um, uh,you know, where am I right now?

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What's in the way and what'sthe best solution for my needs?
And life will teach you that.
Life will teach you that if you'rehonest with it and you're truthful.
Because like I said, it don't matterwhat religion, idea, philosophy
that separates us, we're alwaysbrought together by our actions.
And when we act off of our higherself, our true knowing, we will
connect with other people of whoeverraised whatever ideology when

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we, when we tap into that power.
Yeah.
I, I, I believe that youcan feel people around you.
If you're in tune to that resonancethat we all live in, you know?
And if you've ever walked intoa room and got that feeling, I'm

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turning around and walking out,that's another one of those things.
And these are universal in our principles.
And if we can adapt our waysto understanding why we're
receiving these, I, I think lifecan be better for all of us.
So, DeBorah, I could goon for hours with you.

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I, I wanna ask, Is there anythingthat we've missed that you would
like to add to our conversation?
Um, no, I think we did pretty good.
I think we did pretty good,we covered a lot of things.
I would say that, um, this is aunique time in our, in our lives,

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you know, end of a, a major cycle.
And
just like a, a mother goes throughgrowing pains, you know, um, in terms of
when they're having a baby, birthing it.
But after having that child, it'slike, Oh my gosh, there's nothing
else I would rather, I would doit again and again and again.

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Um, some would be saying, Never again.
But, but the majority of people, whenthey see the joy of, of the final product,
and I think, um, for those people whoare ready to embrace being a conscious
co-creator, to step into another levelof, of, of co-creating with the universe,

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it's, it, we have to do what yousaid, as a Christian, which is die,
metaphorically, figuratively, literally.
Not always literally, butfiguratively, to be reborn.
You know, you can't get intoanother reality based on
the one that you have been.
You have to die to those old ideas andphilosophies in order to be born again.
So, yes, even birth is a death.

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Death of being in the womband all taken care of.
Now the child is out.
So there's a death of that,there's always a definite birth.
It's all connected, it's all one.
You know, as much as you lovethe day, you need night in order
to get to the next one, right?
As much as you love the day, you need anight to get to the next one, you know?

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So that's what I would say.
You start as a caterpillarto become a butterfly.
And that cocoon,
ah, see, there you go.
See that cocoon, it's the turmoilsof life and transformation.

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And that's what we've been talking abouthere with this conversation today, is
how to get through those turmoils andtransformations the best way possible.
How can people get in touchwith you and become a part of
what you're doing, DeBorah?
Okay, so I have a blog that has beenkind of inactive because I have been

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spending so much time on the astrologicalresearch and doing things and, with that.
It's, so I have not been so consistent.
But I have a website, I have a blogthat talks a lot about my journey.
Um, it's called Coming Full Circle.
Um, it's going up through differentyears, like a twenty year cycle of,
of me, this whole project that I have.
And that's whoiamcommunications.com/cfc.

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And my regular website,whoiamcommunications.com is, um, has
some of the services that I do and Ihave a substack, um, I have a substack
that I wanna start having more active.
I wanna talk about the journey startingin 2026, uh, about all the six cities that
I went through to end up in Port Aurora.
The whole download startedso I, I could share that.

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And, um, yeah, so that's what I'm doing.
That's how you can reach me.
Exciting.
You know, you're very active and you'redoing some wonderful things out there.
I ask you to keep doing them.
And if you ever need anything,reach out to us because
we're always willing to help.

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But it, it's been a pleasurehaving you on the show today.
Thank you for being here.
You are welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you for reaching out tome and then connecting with me.
You know, I have met, um, many peoplereach out, so it's been, it's been good.
Thank
you.

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