No Stupid Questions with Max Corcoran: Horse Care Tips and Truths from Olympic Groom and Eventing Insider (Sponsored by - YETI and Connaway & Associates) - Dear Horse World

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You should be able to look at yourhorse and be like, it's, you know, is it
getting fitter or is it getting skinnier?
'cause skinny is not fit.
Horse care could feellike a full-time job.
One day your horse is calm and shiny.
The next, they're pacing puffy orblowing through your aids and you're
left wondering if it's ulcers, theirjoints, or just mercury in retrograde.

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/Today I'm sitting down with MaxCorcoran Olympic level groom, a
venting insider, and the go-to personwhen top riders need their horses
feeling and performing their best.
She's managed the care of horses at thebiggest competitions in the world, and
today she's here for us, the amateurs,the 5:00 AM hay throwers, the after work
riders trying to do right by our horses,even when the to-do list never ends.

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We're talking about joint support,when to start and what actually works.
What to do with horses who are too fresh.
Smart routines for recovery and show prepand how to keep your horse happy and sound
even when you're the entire barn staff.
So grab a coffee, a curry comb,or whatever you multitask with.
This is your hour with the barn,Bessie, you didn't know you needed.

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Dear Horse World, it's Max Corcoran
Max.
Welcome to the New Horse World Podcast.
Wow.
Thank you for having me.
I'm finally, yes, finally.
Yeah.
Okay.
So for everyone who's listening,watching Max, and I've known Nicola
a long time, she is one of ourmasterclass instructors on the platform.

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She is a total legend and many people inthe industry know this, but for every,
for everyone who's listening or watchingthat doesn't know who you are, why don't
you share a little bit about who you are?
Who am I?
Who am I?
Um, I am, um, I am a, a longtimegroom, um, horse advocate.
I guess.
I am, uh, still do some grooming,but now I am an event organizer

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and, um, and amongst other things,I guess wear a lot of hats.
But that's fun.
You're like, I would say you'rean advocate within the industry.
You're very much contributing to thoughtand policy and giving back a lot.
Specifically in the event in Y City.
Yes.
Right.
Could you share a little bitwith everyone, some of your

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like, career highlights?
'cause you have worked with and beento the biggest events that the three
day eventing Sport has to offer?
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, I've been pretty luckythat I've been to, I've been in
different capacities to five differentOlympic games I've been to, um.
Probably that many world championshipsand Pan American games and all the

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badminton and burley's and um, andthe, you know, only five star I haven't
been to is, is Adelaide, which Iwould love to get to at some point.
Just keeps wiggling on thecalendar, the wrong place.
But, um, yeah, I'm pretty, pretty lucky.
I've gotten to work with some prettyincredible people and have got to
travel with some wonderful horsesand meet great people along the way.

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And, um, yeah, I'm just, uh,you know, what's, what's next?
It's more to come.
Lovely.
Pretty exciting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty lucky.
Actually, before we dive in, 'cause thisis a no stupid questions episode, so
we have all these really cool questionsfrom our membership that were very
excited that they were gonna get to askMax Corcoran directly some questions.

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Um, but actually I havea question for you.
So, of all the events, of all themoments in your career that were
on, like the international stageor in, in like the best of the best
competitions, what's your highlight?
Like your all time favorite moment?
My all time favorite moment.
There are a lot of them.

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Um, one of my favorite moments forsure was one of my favorite moments
was when Karen and little TheodoreO'Connor won the Pan American Games.
And, um, just being able tostand there while they're playing
the national anthem with him.
And he, I have a great picture thatShannon Brinkman took and I'm sort
of standing there, you know, with myhand on my chest and we're singing the

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anthem and he just wrapped his headaround me and just started scratching
me and nearly knocked me over.
And he was just a little tiny thing.
And I just loved that momentthat he was, you know, he had no
idea what he meant to the world.
And, um, and he was just a, justa do with an itchy face, you know?
It was just such a cool thing.
And, um, yeah, just it, that was sort ofa moment that I'll remember forever, um,

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standing there in the middle of that ring.
The PanAms were, you know, theywere an advanced competition then.
It wasn't, um, wasn't like itis now where it's more of an
intermediate level competition.
Yeah.
So it was a big deal.
It was a big deal for, um, hesort of, um, the horse world
needed a hero at that time too.
We were going through a lot ofsafety problems and, um, horses

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and people that were gettingbadly injured and dying and stuff.
And so Teddy was sort of a, he, hewas a lot more than just who he was.
Do you know?
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So that was, uh, definitely a high point.
And uh, I'd say the London Olympicswere a pretty good high point as well.
Oh my God.
Weren't they London?
They were just so epic, so outstanding.
And to be right there in the middle ofthe city, um, was really cool because

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usually the Olympics for equestrianwere, were far away because we need
the space and we need the land.
And what they did atLondon was just incredible.
It was, uh, very special.
I mean, literally right downtown.
I mean, it was, it wouldbe like, you know, yeah.
Having the Olympics in Central Park.
It just was so great.
Yeah.
That was the first Olympic Games thatI ever covered from a journalist.

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Oh.
Kind of view.
Yeah.
And everyone's like,you totally got ruined.
You did.
You did.
It's never gonna be the same.
I was like, oh, they're not all Isay, they're not, you know, other
ones like Versailles was beautiful andamazing, but London being right there
and we were so close to everything.
Yeah.
Is no like, I rememberthat's how the blog ended up.
Fun fact.
Yeah.
That's how the blog ended up going viral.

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'cause I'd only started no offflight.com, like two, three
months before the Lenin Olympics.
Yeah.
Wow.
And I didn't have any media accreditation.
Oh wow.
And all these differentpeople within the horse world.
All poured in their extra ticketsand everyone gave me a ticket
to sit something in the stands.
That's so cool.
With a 300 millimeter lens.
Oh my photos of the event.

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That's so cool.
And then after, 'cause I knew someof the riders, we would just go
into the, you know, people wouldjust like pour into a pub after.
Right.
And well, the one that was Rightoutside the Right, exactly.
And so I got all these photosof everyone's celebrating with
their medals and that's how theblog like kind of kicked out.
That's pretty cool.
Was it was all this behind.
Yeah.
So it's like that waskind of one of those Yeah.
There's like one of thesemoments where you, you don't

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realize, I had no idea I was 25.
Yeah.
I had no, I was like, oh no, all,not all the Olympics are like that.
No.
Like no.
Oh.
Everyone's like, no, not quite.
And again, like nowadays, there's noway that I could have sat in stands as a
media representative at photos like that.
Just I blossom everywhere.
They were all over.
I sent 'em to the riders.
I was like.

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There would be a lot ofcontroversy over that nail.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, let's dive in.
Oh, actually, before wedo this, I do wanna, okay.
This is not the, this is likethe fourth time in the last
month that Teddy has come up.
Oh, funny.
So for those who are not like, whoare listening, and there's lots of
listeners of the podcast who are notsuper entrenched in three day eventing.

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So let's actually, I would lovefor you to share who Teddy is,
because he's kind of a legend.
He is.
And not kind of He is a legend.
Yeah.
And when I've now heard him like multipletimes, I was, that's like the universe
saying, okay, let's talk about this horse.
Yeah.
Well he was a pony for starters, right?
Yes.
Okay.

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What, how tall was he?
He was 14, one.
That's insane.
Um, he was a tiny little guy and,um, Karen was teaching, um, the girl,
I remember her name was Kristen,but I can't remember her last name.
Was she came to get lessons from Karenone winter and said, I'm having trouble
teaching him his flying changes.
And so she came and Karensaid, give a little of this.

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What is, what is this?
And I said, well, that, that'syour three o'clock sister.
She's like, this is like this littleround fat jet stop pony rolls in.
And Karen said, well, flying changes,he doesn't even know how to canner yet.
And yet we'd known that thislittle horse I'd sort of seen him.
You sort of catch those little onesoutta the corner of your eye when you're
at an event, had already gone throughthe intermediate level and she was

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trying to figure out how to maybe shecould take it advanced and couldn't do.
Its flying changes so long and long of it.
Uh, Kristen ends up moving to Australiaand Teddy doesn't have a person, but they,
at that point they called him Connor.
His show name was Theodore Connor.
He was a thoroughbred.
Half thoroughbred out of the horse.
Sara's name was Theodore.

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Um, so funny that his name was Theodore.
Theodore.
And then, yeah.
And then the, the mother was, um, half,half, um, half Arabian and half Shetland.
What, so he was, or maybe she was aquarter, quarter and half thoroughbred.
So he was definitely amutt of, yeah, of sorts.
But, um, so he, so when he was born,he had a temper and this thing was a,

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and was like, you know, that's the samething as what made him great is the
same thing that killed him in the end.
So he, um, would, um, I guess when hewas young, he had this really bad temper.
And so the woman that bred him whenNorman said, uh, called him Connor because
she reminded him, uh, what's his name?
Uh, the tennis player.
Oh.

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Who had the temper?
Um, uh, Jimmy Connor.
So that's why he got thename Theodore O'Connor.
Mm-hmm.
And so it just sort of rolled.
So when he came to us, we thought it wasvery odd that we couldn't call him Connor.
'cause that was likeConnor, Karen O'Connor.
Connor.
Connor, Connor.
Yeah.
That's just, so he became Ted Teddy,super Ted, um, and he came and he
was, he hadn't been ridden in afew months except for by a kid, you

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know, twice a week or something.
And he was so fat, andhis mane was so long.
And I said to Karen, Karen said,well, I'm supposed to be taking
him to Radner in two months.
And I was like, you're gonna, what?
And Radner at that time was longformat steeplechase roads and track.
Oh my thing.
Oh my gosh.
I was like, you are a dreaming sister thatsaid this is, and she said, no, no, no.

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You gotta, like, I really thinkthis, I think he's gonna be cool.
I think he's gonna be all right.
And so little by little we sortof, um, you know, knocked off
the dust and pulled his mane.
And, and then as soon as he pulledhis mane it went straight up in the
air, which was a little bit his thing.
Anyway.
Um.
And, and he bega.
He was very skeptical ofall of us to begin with.
And then he, you know,slowly became to trust us.

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And, um, but he was, he wasvery, um, he, his flight, um,
reactions were really aggressive.
Oh, very, very aggressive.
So you had to always be almost like onehalf a step in front of Ted all the time.
You know, you put Hove dressing on himand he'd sort of do this, and then he'd
lean his feet way back, and then he'd sortof look it up, like, dude, tough foil.

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And so, you know, you just had to,and so you couldn't like, you know,
be like, come on buddy, you gotta belike, well, you're fine, you're good.
Like, take him off the crosseyes, let him sniff it.
Like you just had to sort of do that.
Mm-hmm.
And then he just knew that, and then oneday he was fine with it, do you know?
Mm-hmm.
But it was, he just always hadto stay sort of a half a step
ahead of him all the time, whichwas, which was not always easy.
But anyway, long and long ofit, he and Karen became, uh,

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instant best friends and.
The, there's such a great story.
He just, you know, went from strength tostrength and kept coming up the levels,
and suddenly it was getting ready to goto Kentucky and Karen's like, I think
we're gonna enter him at Kentucky.
I'm like, I think you're not.
I was like, David, Ithink she hit her head.
Um, but David believed in it too.

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And we all, in our, in ourhearts, we believed in them.
We just, um, as Karen said, shewas so worried about on cross
country, she was either gonna makeher career or break her career.
She didn't want people to ever thinkthat she was showing this pony what he
couldn't do, and that he what he could do.
You know, she, she knew that he could doit, but if there was, you know, and, and
when you're at a big five star like that,there's a lot of luck that goes into it.

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And yeah, a lot of you don't knowif someone's dog's gonna get loose.
You don't know if it's gonna rain.
You don't know if it's, youknow, someone's gonna open an
umbrella sugar, you know, youjust don't know these things.
And she just wanted, and there's stakes.
It's really high stakes.
Yeah.
And so it was.
It was very high stress.
It was, you know, 14 one.
He hadn't had the best leadup to the, to the event.

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I mean, he did, he just was so cheeky.
He just, every now and then at the waterjump, he'd be like, no, you know, and, and
then he'd be fine and Karen would little,but, um, but he was, he was kind of had a
sense of humor when it, as he got bigger.
But anyway, so, um, Kentuckywas amazing and he was third one
year and fifth the next year andwent to the Pan Ams and won that.
And, uh, yeah.

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And then, then, um, we're hackinto the ring one day and he spun
around and nearly dropped me off.
And I got off of him to lean himback up and he bolted back to the
barn and cut his leg and that was it.
We had to put him down, cut his leg.
Yep.
He cut his leg, um, from the B becausehe didn't wear back boots ever except

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for when he went cross country.
'cause he just, he wouldtry to kick him off.
He was just hated back boots.
So he cut everything from like, thebone was the only thing holding his leg.
And it was just one of those thingsyou just couldn't do anything about.
Wow.
His
flight instinct was so strongand Karen was on Man Diba, who

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also had a very strong flightinstinct, and the two of them just
turned around and bolted and ran.
He ran Karen right into the woods.
I held on for a bit, but then I, I wasgetting drug and I had to let go and
we're not really sure exactly wherehe cut his leg, but when we, when he
finally stopped, um, it was, that was it.
Yeah.
It was pretty, it was a very bad day.

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It was a very bad day.
It's one of those days youwill always, you know, everyone
says, oh, how was your day?
Oh, it was bad.
I was like, define bad.
It, was it bad that you'regonna remember it in three days?
Is it bad that you're gonnaremember in three months or is
it bad that you're gonna rememberit in three years or forever?
And then this one is forever.
I, I still have nightmares of, ofnot being able to do, like, you
know, it's my job to protect himand I couldn't that day, you know?

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So it's a, one of thosethings that you just can't.
Um, you can't take back.
Um, and you can't change.
So you just have to figure outhow to deal with it and get
on with it, which was tough.
And also we, he was supposedto go to England that summer.
Um, he was shortlisted for theOlympic games in, uh, in Hong Kong.
Um, and I I, it was one of those thingslike, you just really wish the rest of

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the world got to see him and know him.
'cause he was such, um, an anomaly.
And he was really cool.
And he was a, such a, a dude, you know?
And he, and he just, hereally loved his people.
And so that was, uh, that was a, thathas still a hard pill to swallow to,
you know, along a lot, um, a lot.
So it was, um, you know, other horseswill come and go, but there's those
ones that sort of sit on at Yeah.

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That you just, what if,what if, what if, you know?
And, um, you know, we talk about,I think it's helpful for people
listening because I think we doa lot of that in the north world.
Yeah.
And because they're in a lot ofsituations like that, it's such
high stakes, high consequences.
Yeah.
In your.
And, and like that, like that'ssuch an a, such a reminder of

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how quickly things can shut.
So volatile, you know?
And I think that a lotof us do a lot of that.
What, oh, what if I hadjust done this there?
Or what if I had taken a different step?
Or what if I had slowed down?
Or what if I had turned anotherdirection, whatever, you know?
And we, it was, you know, samepath we took to the barn, to
the, to the ring every day.
And come to find out there wasa bear that was sitting in the

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tree at the very top of the hill.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So it was just, you know, again,I was like, well, I can't blame
the dude, but you didn't, didyou have to react like that Ted?
You know?
We're like, come on buddy.
It was, uh, yeah.
And it was just, it was just it.
'cause it also affectedso many people, you know?
'cause so many peopleloved him and, and Yeah.

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You know, and it was, uh,so it was, it was a lot.
Yeah, it was a lot.
I find those horses are the ones.
The steads too.
They just, yeah.
Really, really, really bright.
Yep.
Yep.
Exactly.
They, uh, are gone.
Yeah.
It's funny you say that 'causeI remember David talking,
talking me through a lot of it.
'cause they'd obviously had experiencedthemselves, you know, with that.

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And he and I, he said, you know, Ted,these candle just burned too bright.
And so, and, and it was interesting'cause that year in 2008, we'd
had two horses killed at Kentucky.
We'd had, um, anotherhorse die someplace else.
And it just, there was a lot that,um, a horse with, uh, ruptured, they
order actually from our farm that hadruptured they order at Jersey Fresh.

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And, um, so we, it was, it was justa, um, a bad time and for the sport.
Um, and it was interesting wesaid it was, it's interesting that
he, he chose to do that at home.
Hmm.
That there was, that itwasn't in the public.
That it was, you know, if itwas gonna, you know, again,
everything happens for reason.
Uh, don't always knowall the reasons why, but.

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That was one of those thingsthat it was, um, yeah.
Trying to make sense of all that.
But anyway, super Ted was amazing andhe had, he had his friends and he made a
lot of people believe, and he was a hero.
He definitely were a cape.
He was a good boy.
Sounds amazing.
Yeah.
14 one man.
14 was, he was, he was this big.

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I could lean on himwhen I was praising him.
Amazing.
Yeah, he's a good boy.
That's like small but mighty.
Yeah.
And he, you know, Karen didn't knowif we was gonna be fit enough, you
know, what if, what if, what if onthe cross country at Kentucky, you
know, and he had a huge stride.
It took Karen A. Little bit to, um, tofigure that out at the higher levels

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because the stride was a horse stride.
Even though he was little,he still had that big step.
And so it took, um, it tookprobably six to eight months of, of
really working on it over smallerjumps to understand his step.
And so she, then shecould be more accurate.
And the accuracy is what also, I mean,Karen's just a freakishly good rider.
If anybody wants to see the magic thatcan happen, his round at 2007, you can

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Google it for, on the Kentucky three dayevent is the most epic cross country ride.
Karen.
I mean, like, she's, she's amazing.
But that ground is like theround, you should, everybody
should use it to teach people.
'cause it is just incredible.
The balance, the pace, the speed, the,she would see these jumps so far out.
Wow.
And she was incredible.

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It was just an incredible round.
It's, and I still, every time I watchit, I cannot watch at the very end.
I cry every, every, I watch it so manytimes and almost every time I'm like,
so say again.
Which one?
Um, 2007 in Kentucky, three day event.
Teddy O'Connor and Karen.
And it's on YouTube, butyou can Google people.
Okay.
We'll put the link in the show.

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Oh my God, it's so great because I'mgonna, I know what I'm watching after.
I know.
How should we wrap this?
I know, I know.
I know.
Just because you and I sitting here Yeah.
Crying in the podcast.
Oh my.
No, don't make me do it, please.
Okay.
Just get a little quiet.
Okay.
So we've opened the jar.
Okay.
And now we're gonna shake up the jar.

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Oh God.
And I wrote these today.
Sometimes they're printed, sometimeswritten, and I've learned as I've
done throughout this season thatI should read them because my, I
have chicken scratch for writing.
I am not a school teacher.
I do not have to me either writing.
Okay.
First question.
What does your care and managementroutine look like ahead of a

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show, the weeks leading up?
Anything special you do toensure that your horse is
feeling the best on the big day?
Ooh, that's a great question.
Um, that is, I always, I like to do likea big calendar, um, for the year and for
the month too, but mostly for the year.
So then you can.

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Figure out if your big show sayis Kentucky, and you, then you
work your way backwards too.
So you make sure that, um, you know,where your competitions are leading
up to it, when the hor vet's gonnacome out and check on your horse
when your farrier coming to do this.
Um, so it's sort of a, you make a, youmake a plan three months in advance,
plus months in advance to, to lead up tothat very special day, to that very time.

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Um, something like Kentucky, oreven if it's like the American
Betting Championship, whateveryour goal is for that year.
Um, and you know, you alwayswant, like, we always made sure
our horses got their, their finalshoeing 10 days before the trot up.
Ooh, good point.
I love that.
Which is good because if you, for whateverreason, if they got an abscess, usually
an abscess will come up, you know, two tothree days after they've got their shoes.

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Yeah.
And in that 10 days youhave time to fix something.
Um, and they also, they alsohave had their feet trimmed
a little bit and so, um.
At 10 days, they're, they'recomfortable in their feet, do you know?
And they, there's no, they iftheir got trimmed too short
or, you know, whatever it is.
Um, so 10 days is sortof that magic number.
Um, and then usually, you know,you know, usually the beginning of

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the season we'll have the vet comeand do a once over on the horses.
Mm-hmm.
As we're coming through, youknow, just keeping an eye on them.
We trotted our horses up after everygallop and after every cross country.
Um, the horses always got trotted upjust so we always had a baseline and
we would look at their weight, theirfeet, the, you know, their sadness,
stiffness, any of that kind of stuff.

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So we always had a baseline.
And then the vet would come.
Our vet would, we always had a, becausewe had so many horses, we had a standing
appointment, Tuesdays at 10 o'clock.
And so, um, and we would, we would trotup the horses that we thought maybe
needed to be looked at or somethingfor the vet. We'd have a list of, you
know, this, we need this, we need that.
Type of thing.
And sometimes it was just,you know, Hey, how we doing?

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Do you want a cup of coffee?
We'd have a cup of coffee and she'd leave.
Right.
But we had that standing appointment,so in case we needed it, um, and it was,
it was made it really good for her too.
So, um, and then as we would getcloser, you know, we would sort
of plan if the horses needed theirhawks treated or their feet treated
or whatever needed to be done.
So, um, and then again, you checktheir weight as they're getting fitter.

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Mm-hmm.
They might need more grain, youknow, you might need, you know, to
adjust something here and there.
Or, you know, David would lookand say, this one needs more food.
Or, um, you know, this oneis lacking a bit of energy.
Let's see what we can do.
So then we'd have a conversation andmake a plan and we'd all sort of work
together as a team, um, to do that.
So, um, but as far as likeday-to-day stuff, our horses, you

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know, they got groomed every day.
They sort of, we always madesure that they looked as well
as we wanted them to every day.
So when it came close to coming to a show.
They might need a little tidy uphere, tidy up there, but for the most
part they were already ready to go.
Yeah.
For the most part.
Yeah.
Interesting question.
And I don't know if you, if I don'teven know if this is possible, so

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this might be like a, I don't evenknow if that's possible, Noel.
Um, if you don't have a, like anactual ability to, 'cause there's all
sorts of ways to, to weigh a horse.
Correct.
Okay.
What is there like a DIY wayto do it there without having
like a, the actual scale?

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Yeah.
Um, you can, I think, um, the most feedcompanies will give you a measuring tape.
Yes.
And you can measure your, your horse'sbelly, and then you sort of, they, I think
they have got a, um, some sort of formula.
It's like you measure that and you measureanother area and then you like pinch the

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fat and you figure out their body massin o and I think it's like their height.
You, you put it in on how tall and stuffthey are, but a lot of times you can
just sort of look at them and notice.
Yeah.
I mean, I think you should be ableto look at your horse and be like,
it's, you know, is it gettingfitter or is it getting skinnier?
'cause skinny is not fit.
Mm. Which is, a lot of people arelike, oh, he looks really, he's so fit.

(23:51):
I'm like, no, he is thin.
You know, there's a difference.
There's a difference between, youknow, and that gets lost because
horses need mass to be able to keeptheir tendons well, their Yeah.
Muscles.
Well, their, all that stuffthey need mass to, to do that.
So, not heavy mass, but, um, they needsomething in there for like humans, you

(24:12):
know, you, you see these marathon runnersin the, and mostly the triathletes, like
they have masks to them because their botheir body needs something to pull off of.
Yeah.
Without breaking the muscle down.
Yeah.
So they, they gotta have something there.
Yeah.
All right.
Next question.
Ooh.
I remember when I wrote this one down,I thought, I'm really interested.
Okay.
I wanna know what you'regonna say to this.

(24:32):
Any advice on juggling,riding with a professional
career that's not with horses?
Ooh.
Do you know anyone who's doing this?
Well, that is 'cause a lot of timesthe way we afford our horses is
by having our professional job.
Um, there are definitely some people thatare, you know, um, that are doing both.

(24:53):
Um, it's not that easy.
I guess there's two parts to this.
Like, if your horse is at home andyou're doing it all yourself, that's
one thing, because that's really hard.
Um, but to make sure you have theright people that your horse is with.
If you do have your horse withsomebody, um, that they can keep
the horse ticking over for you, thatthey, it's someone that rides like you

(25:15):
ride, which I think is a big thing.
It's a, you know, I think if you're asmall, petite woman, you need to have
the horse with a small, petite womanbecause if you have it with a man.
Um, they ride like a man,which they can't help by doing.
And then you try to get on and try toslow that horse down and you can't.
That's great advice.
Yeah.
And so you, I think it's important to,and it's gotta be a place that, you

(25:35):
know, you trust and you, um, and the,and there's gotta be some respect for you
having be the nine to five person that'scoming down and trying to do it all.
And it's hard because, um, it's notan easy sport, especially eventing.
It's not as easy.
And, and you need to, you need tobe able to, to do it a lot, you to
practice, you know, whether, um, yeah.

(25:58):
You just gotta sort of get good at that.
But there are definitely arepeople that, that do both.
And I'm trying to think of peoplethat I know that have, I know
of too, but I can't call them.
Call them.
Yeah.
But there are, 'cause I just saw, andyou can actually, for everyone who's
listening or watching, I just saw arecent Chronicle of the Horse article,
I think on someone who's like a doctoror a lawyer and they just, uh, they,
they just went up like they just.

(26:21):
They had a big like, kind of careerhighlight moment for them, I think.
Um, and at and atadvanced, like these, yeah.
Like at some seriousYeah, some competitions.
Yeah.
I guess if I were in that po, likeif I was this person asking the
question, be like, are there somepractical tools that you found?

(26:41):
If you're, let's say you can't,your, your job is not being
at the bar in 24 7, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I know you like, I think you need to,um, keep very strong and fit, I think a
lot of like core strength because you,you know, as you, as we all get older,
the muscle memory gets weaker, but Ithink there's definitely something,
you know, Pilates, yoga, all thosekinds of things that keep your core

(27:04):
strength and, and also your dexterity.
The hand-eye coordination type stuff.
That's actually such a good,and there's like amazing, they
do this a lot in Formula One.
Yes.
If you ever watch the guy do the,with the tennis ball Yeah, they do.
Even if it's footwork jumping, youknow, like stepping up and down
steps or shuffling side to side.
And it's a little bit of dexterityand it's, um, even even things like

(27:27):
where you can, you sit and you canput your hands under your hips and you
lift your one leg, try and make sureyour, both your seat bones don't move.
Right.
There's things like that that evenare like, that are horse ish related
that you can, um, that you just keepyour muscles and your mind going.
And even though you're not in the tack,you're sort of, you're as ready as you
can be when you get back in the tech.
Mm. I love that.

(27:48):
I think it's good.
I think that is a huge,yeah, that's a huge edge.
Yeah.
Actually.
Yeah.
Okay.
Next.
And there's a lot of, um, specialtypeople out there that are doing, um,
fitness stuff for like nine peoplethat are nine to five people Yeah.
That are riders that they'llsend you a. Workout thing and
there's stuff, there's Yeah.
EF Simmons, we have, oh yeah.

(28:09):
We have fitness for e questionson NF Plus, and there are a
number of amazing personal Yeah.
Out there that are offering, and I do,like I speaking with Iffa and seeing
what he offers and seeing with someproviders that he is worked with.
He's worked with Boy Martin.
Yeah.
There's like, the best riders are the onesthat take that extra bit of time care.

(28:30):
Yeah.
And I think that applies to parameters.
Yes, absolutely.
Really as well.
Yep.
You know, like, I think it is a sportthat, that can give you that extra lift.
And if you're horse, if you're,you're asking that of your horse.
Yeah.
You know, I think it does make adifference when you ask that of yourself.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Love that.

(28:50):
Okay.
Oh, I'm, I wanna know this.
Hoof products for dryversus wet condition.
Ooh.
Um.
We were just talking before we started,before we pressed record, we were
talking about all these different weatherconditions, hoof, um, funny enough, a
lot of times with wet conditions, um,we think that hoof oil is gonna soften

(29:12):
their feet, but hoof oil, actual oilon their feet helps repel the water.
Oh, you think about it, right?
'cause it's oil, right?
Oil and wanted don't mix.
So, um, there's been times when, youknow, even when I'm, if I have a horse
that's got, can tend to have soft feet,if I'm gonna ice them, I'll paint their
entire feet and the soles of theirfeet with oil, with hoof oil and then

(29:32):
put them in because it helps repel.
Oh my God, that's a great hack.
Yeah, that's a good hack.
Um, the other hacks that I know, um, thatwe've used before is, um, if it's, if
you're in a wet area where it's reallydewy, you can, um, put some duct tape over
your nail holes, so then the wet doesn'tget into the get in from the inside.
Do you know?
Yeah.
Um, and then good old school,like Venice turpentine and you

(29:54):
know, and I know people that have.
Have like a formaldehyde, um, typeof mixture concoction that they
make, uh, to paint their feet.
This is for wet conditions.
Yeah.
Um, paint their feetjust to keep them dry.
Not every day, like every otherday, every three days or so.
Um, and, you know, talk to your fairy.
Some horses just have naturally superdry feet anyway, and they, but then

(30:16):
if you got the ones that crumbleand typically if you move to a wet
climate, their feet will adapt.
But it does take a fewyears for them to adapt.
And same thing if you move toa dry climate, it just takes a
couple years for them to adapt.
Um, and then, you know, as far as,um, for the drier climates, you know,
even there's a very good tea treeoil, um, hoof foil that's out there.

(30:38):
And I can't remember whomakes the, I should remember.
Well, and tea tree is naturally Yeah.
Antimicrobial, right?
Yes, exactly.
So it's always good for all the little,you know, stuff that can get in there.
Um, and, um, just, youknow, your basic hoof foil.
Um, some people I know, um.
Sometimes use justlike, um, a coconut oil.
Yeah.
On their feet.

(30:58):
Yeah.
Um, and again, really?
Yeah.
They like literally a jug of coconutoil and you have a brush with
it and then you can slap it on.
Yeah.
That's epic.
Yeah.
It's pretty good.
'cause it's cheap.
That's, yeah.
I was gonna say that's cheap.
Yeah.
You got a bunch of horsesthat got like, great.
Yeah, and it's, I mean, if youthink about it, it's, yeah.
Coconut oil and, um, all those oils thatare just, um, they're um, fairly simple.

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So they, they'll soak in prettynicely too, which is good.
Yeah.
But again, conversation foryour farrier just to make sure.
Yeah.
Ask they're doing their right.
Yeah.
'cause sometimes you thinkthey're dry, but they're
actually wet and say vice versa.
But like, actually no, don't mess with it.
Everything's great.
You know?
So,
yeah.
That's a good, actually,that's a really good tip.
I also just love too, thinking.

(31:42):
Thinking for, I've really learned inthe last year or two, like to think
about your horse from the hoof up.
Oh, oh yeah.
And I didn't before that.
No, no foot, no horse.
Yeah, exactly.
And I heard that term.
Yeah.
Now I feel like I understand it.
Yeah.
Not just if this is gonnamake sense to everyone.
Like I don't justunderstand it in my mind.
I understand it in my body.
Yes.
Like I understand, like I understandwhat, I can see my horse's feet.

(32:06):
I know when they're due.
I know if they're, ifthey're unbalanced, I know.
You know what I mean?
Like, you really wanna know all aboutyour horse's feet in every possible way.
If you think about, like, if wewalk, if we have like a tiny little
imbalance in our shoe when we're walkingalong, then it hurts her knee, then
it hurts her hip, and then it hurts.
Upper her back.
And then, and then you findyourself walking sideways.

(32:28):
And you know, if you think about thatwith a horse, it's like for wa, if
you're walking side, it's the samething as a horse leaning on the reign.
And then they're landingon the wrong leg too much.
And then they're leaning there andthen that's gonna get overloaded.
And you know, there's, it's.
That's where it all starts.
Yeah.
And the more you observe the feet Yeah.
The more everything undersaddle actually makes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.

(32:49):
And I, yeah, but it tookme a long time to learn.
Yeah.
Like, it really took a longtime and I'm just feel like I'm
just at the beginning of that.
Yeah.
But it really does actually startto really, like, one of the best
things you can do for horses.
Like every, if you can just taketheir shoes off for a while.
I love that you just saidthat Barefoot, just recenter.
Like they, and that they'll, theywill wear their feet down how

(33:09):
their body is supposed to be.
Do you know?
And it's, yeah.
I love that you said that.
I think it's great.
So for someone who's listeningthat goes, oh, cool, okay.
I might do that.
How, so if they're showing through thesummer, when would you take them off
and when would you put 'em back on?
I'd, I'd take them off whenthey're having their break, when
they're having their holiday.
Okay.
Um, and then leave 'em off untilyou need to put 'em back on.

(33:30):
How, what kind of distant, what kindof like, you need a minimum of like
six weeks really to make any change.
Can't make any difference.
But you think about it, if you'vegiven your horse a month off, they
can walk and hack and do thingswithout their shoes on for a bit.
They can, I mean, they're horses that,you know, all those good jumping horses

(33:50):
all in How many 12 Clear Olympic showjumping rounds with no shoes ever.
And you, um Yeah.
Is a pretty great, so he, you know,there's, there's things, you know,
obviously if you're living in, you know,like New England, it's quite rocky.
You have to be a bit more careful.
But, and they may be a littlewincing when they first get the
shoes off, but they toughen up.
I mean, it's so, it's sogood for them to get that.

(34:11):
And it's a lot cheaper, dude.
Everyone's gonna appreciate a lot hacks.
Yeah.
And yes, exactly.
Ways to, yeah, to save my horse hastwo scars from being in a pasture.
Is there anything that will stimulatethe hair to grow back in those areas?
Oh, depends on like howold those scars are.

(34:34):
Sometimes they've got that like, shinyskin on them, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Then they're, unfortunatelythey're just gonna be scars.
But, um, otherwise there's likethe MTG stuff from leys that can
sometimes help with hair regrowth.
Oh.
Smells like, you know, as I said,smells like rotten eggs a little bit,
but it's got a lot of sulfur in it.

(34:55):
Oh.
So it'll sort of help.
It does help with, um, uh,sort of stimulate growth.
And then there's also, there'sum, and a product that you can
get in the, in the ethnic section.
Um, it's called like, likesomething grow and it's got a lot
of coconut oil base type of thing.
And it's, and it's great for, you know, ifyou got a little rub here and a little rub
there and you want the hairs to grow back.

(35:16):
Cool.
Um, and if it's not, if, if it's been,if the scars are old, you probably
not gonna get the hair to grow back.
But if it's fairly new.
Even getting to use like a handheldlaser will help like stimulate
the blood flow in the area, whichcan also help with hair growth.
But you know, there's no RO gain,there's no, there's none of those things.
Unfortunately, for worse.
I'm pretty sure that person said Roganquestion mark and they asked the question.

(35:41):
I was like, oh, no, stars were sexy.
I know.
And I was like, they're allpart, they're part of it.
They're part of their story.
God, I have so many scars.
It's crazy.
Okay.
How do you manage a twohorse barn situation?
The separation?
Oh, anxiety.
The frantic behavior, oh gosh.

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I have funny, I have a whole friend thathas two horses and he had to get a donkey
or mini Yeah, because it would to do that.
I think the horses, um, they obviously,they do, they're hurt, hurt animals
and they like to be together.

(37:55):
Um, but, and it, that's areally, it's a hard situation.
You need to.
Almost from the very beginning,separate them and not ever
let them get the attachment.
Do you know?
And Yeah.
Um, and either, you know, you need, I'vedone things like, um, even at a show
where I've looked after a horse that isthere with its front, you know, 'cause I

(38:17):
freelanced now and there was a horse lastyear that was looking after that just
we get so frantic when his friend left.
And so you would do things like, you wouldeither take him out of his stall and take
him for a walk while the other horse leftand then he never really realized it.
Yeah.
Or you would like throw a bunch ofcarrots in the back of the stall.
So he was like eating the carrotsand doing that so he didn't
notice when the other horse left.
But it's a very hard, um, that's ahard thing to figure out sometimes

(38:43):
even putting earplugs in them.
'cause then they hear themselveswhen they're winning and screaming.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, they can, horses can getreally stupid and, um, irrational when
they're trying to find their friend.
Yeah.
And it's, and it's a real, andthey will, they will really, they
can really injure themselves.
Sometimes you have toget a friend for them.

(39:04):
Well, I was gonna, but you need to,there's, you need to break the pattern.
Yeah.
Because I've learned so much.
Because it's funny, when I sawthat question, I was like, oh,
this is gonna be fascinating.
'cause I have learned so muchabout separation at ULI because I'm
traveling across the country and Right.
Two horses.
Yeah.
But now bonded.
Yeah.
And one thing that I've learnedfrom old cowboys and stuff is
like, so if you wanted two horsesto bond, throw 'em in the trailer.

(39:26):
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
Feed 'em together.
Yeah.
Even feed them direct.
Like directionally No.
Yeah, exactly.
So install.
Yeah.
Like if they, so there'sso many things we do.
Yeah.
And there's so many things thatI realize we do unconsciously.
Right.
That affirms the bond.
Right.
Right.
That, you know, again, andthen other people do that

(39:47):
intentionally to build the bond.
Right.
Right.
And so.
Kathy Barr has an amazing, I'm gonnaadd, I'm gonna kind of, I'm gonna Yeah.
Add to your answer because Kathy Barr hasan amazing book on separation anxiety.
Oh really?
Okay.
That's cool.
And her and I sat down in the studioand I, that episode's gonna come
out in the beginning of season two.

(40:08):
Okay.
So everybody, so everyone lookout for that episode because
we dive deep into separation.
Yeah.
Anxiety.
Yeah.
It's real and it's, it's really real.
And tick and I were talking andhe actually says that he reckons
having two horses is the hardest.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Four.
Easy.
But two, two is hard.
Yeah.
Two is hard.
I had no idea when I went,I was like, oh, great.

(40:30):
Like two, they each haveeach other, blah, blah, blah.
And I was so ignorant.
Yeah.
To the separation anxiety.
Yeah.
Realities.
And they are re battery real.
Oh, they're so real.
Yeah.
They're so real.
So we feel you and Yeah.
The person who ans asked this question.
Yeah.
Like it's actually Ithink one of the best.
MythBusters for me was thatit's actually not a quick fix.

(40:51):
No, it's not.
No.
It's something you like, you, youneeded to like a little bit nip it
in the bud in the beginning and then,you know, I know people that just
like, they'll, they'll feed them Yeah.
Away from each other.
Yeah.
And then because food iscomforting for them and Yeah.
And then try to Yeah.
But it, and then also forming,Kathy talks a lot about this in her
book, forming that bond with you.

(41:11):
Yes.
Yeah.
So there are lots ofthings that you can do.
Yeah.
That your horse then builds that bond.
Right.
And that social, like social grooming,there's so many things that we can do with
our horses that, uh, provide that Yeah.
Social aspect that they would be getting.
Right.
That second voice.
Sorry, I kind of, I wanted Oh,because it's, it's a hard topping

(41:32):
and I feel like it's hard.
I've been immersed in that.
Yeah.
And you kind of little bit, when you'rein the moment, you're like, just stop.
Oh.
And hand, and it doesn't do,it doesn't help you at all.
It just makes everybody mad.
You know?
I have literally said, I, I've literallysaid to G 'cause G has a harder time.
They're both very bonded.
But, and I actually have do dovedeep into also the weaning process.

(41:53):
Oh, right.
Because my marere lived with her mother.
Like she had a, she lived in a herd Yeah.
For most of her life.
Right.
Yeah.
So I've actually learned the differencein, um, anxious attachment in horses.
Oh, I got you.
Breaks is actually connectedto their wean weaning.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Because GI think was weaned a lot earlier.
Okay.
Whereas when you observe horses thatactually are able to live their fam,

(42:16):
like with their mother for a lot longerin their life or for their whole life.
Right.
Some of the most secure, reallygrounded horses I've ever.
Seen met in my life and here weall think, oh, you gotta gotta
get them away from their mom.
You know?
You bizarre.
Yeah.
It's fascinating.
That is fascinating.
Um, okay.

(42:37):
How many days off does ahigh performance horse need?
What is the rest protocol for top horses?
Ooh, that's uhs one ofmy favorite questions.
Hey, um, I, we always gave our horsesat least one day off a week, um,
high performance, like the top ones.
And there's some horses thatactually don't do very well
with the day off, funny enough.

(42:58):
But their day off would be sort of,you know, go for hack like, and not
with the rider with just a fun day.
You know, put a workings, do not let'em go out and just like wander their
brain sometimes just can't cope.
There's a few sort of thoroughbredtype horses that just can't
cope with nothing for a day.
And they, especially as they'regetting fitter, they just,

(43:19):
and it makes their next day.
Really bad.
You know, they just,they just cannot focus.
They just cannot.
And it almost is to a detrimentto them physically, you know,
and mentally to, to have that.
And, um, but rest is so important forour horses to have the time off and
to, and to chuck 'em out for a bit and,um, and, and for their more, almost

(43:40):
mentally as it is physically for them,um, to just not see someone, just to be
dirty, to be, you know, in the field.
No, nobody brushing on them.
Nobody, you know, just being horses,taking it, taking their shoes off.
Um, our high performance horses wouldalways have at least a month off in
December or, um, so you probably Novemberthey would do their big three day.

(44:01):
Fairhill used to be on Halloweenweekend, and so they would have all of
November off and December was, was justhacking 'cause they'd be moving, right?
So they, they'd sort of be hackingalong for a bit and then start
gradually doing a bit of flat work,you know, middle of December, but.
So they'd have four, four weeksoff and then a couple weeks of
hacking and then back to doingsome flat work and stuff and Nice.
Um, and then in the summer, it alldepended on what the schedule was.

(44:26):
You know, sometimes at Kentuckythe horses would do Kentucky and
um, a championship was sort of likecoming right around the corner.
And so they would get probably twoweeks off then, and then bring 'em back
to do some bit of work because theyneeded to peak again, and then they
would get a big break after whateversaid championship there would be.
So, um, like all up, they wouldget at least, at least six weeks.

(44:49):
You know, if you put it all together,they would get six weeks and
then, you know, depending on thehorse, you know, what, what their
schedule was, they'd get two months.
Okay, some month in a month ora month in six weeks or three
weeks and three weeks and nice.
Um, just, it lets all those things getrepaired in their body that we don't see.
We can't tell, you know.
And, um, just lets, you know,muscles that are sore get better and.

(45:12):
Again, they don't wannasee you after a three day.
They're like, oh, I've, I'vehad enough of you sister.
Like, stop brushing maze.
Stop making me pretty, don'tchange my blanket again.
Um, yeah, we're sort of, they'resort of done with you and then it
gives them time to put weight on ifthey need to put weight on or Yeah.
You know, do all those thingsand just sort of, again, be
dirty, be happy and dirty.
What's your, this, I'm curious aboutthis because in my riding career there

(45:35):
was some who wanted you to ride orlike just move them the Monday after.
Yeah.
So if you took a Grand Prix or youhad something big on Sunday, you
actually, it was like not okay.
The, the Monday day off Yeah.
Was actually not recommendedor asked depending on Yeah.
The barn.
Um, they wanted the day off to beTuesday because then you come back Yeah.

(45:57):
And you move them a bit on Monday.
Yeah.
Not a lot, but you like move themmaybe every hand walking them.
Yeah.
And then they'd get all day the day off.
They're full day off on Tuesday.
Yeah.
What's your stance on that?
Um.
I think it's all personal preference.
I think the movement thing, youknow, we're lucky with the event
horses, most of 'em get turned out.
Yeah.
And so I think the movement part of itis for, to get, you know, move the lactic

(46:18):
acid, move to get the stiffness out.
Yes, exactly.
Um, we're so, you know, we're lucky ourhorses will get turned out and move.
They'll move themselves.
Yeah.
You know, and I, I would,I would agree with that.
You know, once they jump hardand stuff, they do need to move.
Um, and you know, 'cause they, youknow, majority of the horses in
Wellington say they're in their stalls,you know, 2022 to 23 hours a day.

(46:40):
Yeah.
Um, they don't, especially if they're ata horse show, they, you know, as much you
would wanna walk them as much as you can.
So we'll say 22 hours a day,they're stuck in their stalls.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
That, that movement is, is critical forthem to, you know, recovery is funny.
Like we, we've done so much studyabout recovery with human athletes, but
there's very little research on horsehorse recovery and depending whether

(47:02):
it's the Grand Prix night, reallygot thinking about it a lot when my
partner Scott, is a jumps Grand Prix.
I sort of would help him a bit withhis horse that he took the Olympic
games and he was, is a bigger horse andum, and, and quite cold as you know.
He was just a little bit lazy off the leg.
So if he jumped in a Grand Prix onThursday and jumped hard to qualify Yeah.

(47:23):
And then you, but you want him firing oneverything he's got for Saturday night.
Yeah.
What do you do on that Friday?
What, is there somethingyou can give them?
Is there, you know, it uh, do you,you know, when they say a human
athlete finishes, oh, eat a banana,drink some water, eat a banana.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Potassium.
And you, there's noprotocol for horses, right?
Yeah, there's none.
There's nothing there.

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So it's just funny that, you know,you know, oh, when you're done,
you walk and you stretch and youdo this and then, you know, but
there's no protocol for the horses.
So I always got a littlebit fascinated by that.
Um, and the movement part ofit, and the recovery part of it.
And, um, I find in Europe too, they,they do these recovery mashes now where
you, you can, after they've jumpedhard or at the end across country.

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You make this like sloppylittle, you know, not much.
It's sort of like, maybe it's total of ascoop of food, but you make it super wet
and it's got a lot of electrolytes andpotassium and you know, B12 in the grain
that they can sort of, so they eat it.
They replenish themselvesafter they've worked hard and
it's also a treat for them.
You know, it's got apples andcarrots and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Bananas are great for horses.
Bananas are great.

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My horses have beeneating them like crazy.
Yeah, I was so, I was looking up And thepotassium is really, really, really good.
Supportive Banana skins.
There's that company, that bcomplete company that makes
really good green banana.
There's something about the greenbanana that's really good for their
muscles and their coats and stuff.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
I'm actually gonna get some of that.
Yeah.
Green banana, it's called Be complete.

(48:46):
The letter Be Complete.
Complete.
And it's, um, made out of Australiaand they make it, it's a lot of
it is just sort of ground up.
I think it's basicallyground up green banana skins.
Oh, amazing.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Well, everybody, that's what I mean.
I'm gonna be buying that tonight.
Yeah.
Be complete.
Okay, next question.
How do I know if my horse is fatiguedor just being quote unquote lazy?

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Oh, one of the best ways to actuallydo that is to draw some blood on them.
Oh.
And see where their blood levels are.
Because there are some horses that runvery low on B12 and just like, like
humans, they're almost like quasi anemic.
Mm.
Um, and sometimes they just, youdon't know drawing blood on them.
You can learn a lot.
That's some, that's another part of whatour, we used to always do to leading

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up to a competition to see if there'sanything that's depleted on them.
Um, because there's horses that are lazy.
Like I was saying, thatHorse Stanley, it was cold.
Like you just like, yeah, you justhad to be, come on Stan, let's go.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, and there are horses likethat, but then there are horses
that, that can fatigue quicker.
Their muscles don't do as well.
They get their enzyme levels get abit funny and, um, and they know.

(49:55):
Horses have, you know, lived out on theprairies for, you know, bazillion years.
And there are horses that probablyknow when their muscles are like, you
know, Hey, I can't go any further.
Like, I'm really getting tired now.
I don't, I don't do well.
Um, but drawing blood onthem is not very expensive.
And you can see what thelevels are for your horse.
Um, and you can know your baseline.
You can know your baseline exactly too.

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Yeah.
And even, you know, sometimeshorses get fatigued.
Um, EPM can make them fatigued.
The Lyme's disease can make them fatigued.
And again, I think sometimes peoplea lot of times may use that as a,
not an excuse, but, you know, but atthe, there's ways to, to treat that.
There's ways we can make them feel better.
And again, some horsesjust run low on B12.

(50:37):
Like they're, they're, they're tryingto get stronger and their bodies
just won't let them get strongerbecause they don't produce enough.
And, and if you can help themout, then, then, you know, there's
definitely lots of supplementsyou can use to help them sort of.
Perk 'em up a bit.
Especially in the hot weather.
Right?
The hot weather.
Yeah.
Really, really can zap 'em.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've really found that being in Florida,the weather really takes a toll.

(50:59):
Yeah.
Horses just like, they a toll on us.
Yeah.
We get really tired.
And the other thing, sometimes theirlungs, they're just, they can't get
enough oxygen into their lungs too.
So Yeah.
It's always drawing.
Blood's always a good thing.
This isn't a question in the jar, but Iknow you and I have nerded out on this.
Okay.
Supplements no supplements.
I Supplements are supple.
Too many supplements.
Yeah.
So supplements are, they're to, youknow, like a human, like we, I take a

(51:22):
supplement, I have Lyme's disease, so Itake a supplement to help me combat that.
Um, but that's all I take, you know,because it's, but you only need
to give your horse what it needs.
Like if you feed a really goodgrain and you've got good hay and
stuff like that, it is, you don'tneed anything else like grain.
If you think grain is a supplement, yes.
Grain is technically a supplement,so every horse is different.

(51:45):
So if you have a horse that, and,and again, as you go up the levels.
We, you deplete more stuff out of them.
And so they're gonna probably need somesupplements to help them keep at the level
vitamin E, B12, all those types of things.
And, and again, there'sjust, there's so much crap.
I mean, nothing is gonna make'em stand cidex, nothing.
There's no supplement in the worldthat's gonna make them do that.

(52:05):
Right?
I mean, there's people like feeding thesesupplements to make their horses blacker.
I'm like, come on.
Just, you know, keep them coveredduring, don't turn 'em out at night.
You know, it's, um, and again,it's like, it's supposed to be
like an overall wellness thing.
Like, I think, like, like that becomplete thing is it's all natural.
Right?
There's um, um, uh, succeed is anatural supplement that's supposed to

(52:28):
be helping for the overall body health.
Yeah.
It's like a multivitamin E type thing.
Yeah.
Platinum Performancemakes great supplements.
Specific supplements forspecific horses that need mm-hmm.
Minute different things,joint supplements.
Sure.
Find, I think there's some thatare definitely better than others.
Um, and you know, I justthink that, um, we wanna.

(52:49):
We as horse owners and horse lovers,we wanna make them feel really good.
And so we end up like,Ooh, they're like this.
Ooh, this is super important.
And you know, somebody else has beenusing it, it works for their horse.
So, you know, we jump onthe bandwagon as well.
Oh.
And it's that easy just with one click.
I mean, I've been guilty ofalways supplementing my horses.
Yeah.
And, and it's crazy.
And then at the end of the day, you'vespent all this money and it's just

(53:10):
sitting in the bottom of their feed tub.
'cause they're like, yep.
It's just a bunch of powder and crap.
And you don't know what's working either.
Do you know?
And, and that's like when we,we had our horses on different
supplements throughout, youknow, when they were competing.
But when they went on holiday,we took them off of everything.
Oh.
Took all their supplementsjust for, for like four weeks.

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Unless it was something that was likea medication type of thing, just took,
took them straight off of it just sothey could literally, their livers,
everything could just clear right out.
Oh, I love that.
Just sort of be back to normaland I think, and introduce
them back in as we needed to.
It's also important to mentionthat supplements, especially horse
supplements, but most supplements, evenhuman supplements are not regulated.

(53:52):
No.
There are very few that are regulated.
Absolutely.
So I've started really lookingat the back of, of a, of a label
of what is actually in it andwhat does my horse actually need.
Um, that one's a real mind bender.
Yeah.
Because when you realize that likeanyone can put anything into anything.
Yeah.
And then you can put that in your versusbody and you can sell it as, you know,

(54:13):
like, Hey, this is a, you know, beall great, all jump fast, jump clear,
you'll stop pulling on the left reign.
You know, you can marketwhatever you want.
There's no, you know, we'll callthis, we'll call this one Right.
Reign and we'll call this bucket theleft re, you know, and you can, you
know, you can do all those things.
So.
Yeah.
And you know what, what's crazy about thehorse world is that people would buy that.
I know.
Exactly.

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I know, I know, I know.
'cause we want it so badly.
We're so passionate.
Yeah.
Yes.
Amen.
Dude.
Yeah.
Best way to put it.
Okay.
This was the, okay.
This was the first question thatI wrote down today and I loved it.
What's the secret to a shiny horse?
Good nutrition.
Baseline.
Good nutrition doesn'tneed to be a curry comb.

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I remember you actually saidthis to me when we had coffee.
Once you're like, shiny shinecomes from the inside out.
Inside out.
Yeah.
Not the outside in.
Yeah, because you think you drivedown the road and there's retired
horses on the side of the roadand they're like glistening.
They don't get brushed.
There's no product on them.
They're just like healthyand they're shiny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Easy.
Super simple guys.

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Like for like a good nutrition.
I love that base.
Yeah.
Okay.
That was easy.
No, no.
And a curry comb.
Okay.
Actually, I wanna add in this,because this was one of the best
tips that I got and I'm reallyinterested what you think about this.
Okay.
Metal.
Larson said to me, if you can do anything,if you're like super strapped for time,

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if there's anything you can do, bur Yeah.
Yeah.
Because of the fascia lines.
Yes.
Because of your horse's fascia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I remember, like, I was like, all theyears I've been in this industry, she said
that and she was like, don't forget that.
Yeah.
And I was like, that's amazing.
It helps if you think of the fascialines, and it even starts getting blood
into their muscles to warm them up.
And then you can also seeif they're sore somewhere.

(55:58):
You can know.
Yeah.
As you're curing, I mean, obviously somehorses are always sore in their back
when you're curing them, but you know,if it's your horse and you know them, you
should always know every ancient ounce ofeverything on your horse is, um, they'll,
you know, like where, where somethingmight not be quite right shoulder back,
you know, this, that, the other thing.
But yeah.
Curry.
Such a good, sound good.

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I love that tip.
Yep.
What are the most crucial orcreative details in a barn?
Oh, I love this question.
Okay.
What are the most crucial orcreative details in a barn design?
That make the daily tasks easier.
Layout water system.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
I really selfishly wanna knowwhat your answer is to this.

(56:41):
I, I was at a, um, a barn inEurope that actually, I love this.
They had a hay drop, but thehay drop doesn't go up top.
It goes down low.
So, because hay, you know whenhorses are eating out of a hay thing?
Yeah.
This, they're, it's not always greatfor their neck, so it dropped down.

(57:01):
Mm-hmm.
So it, so you're neverhaving hay in the aisles.
Yeah.
You have the hay gets delivered up top,you just don't, don't drop it down.
Um, and it does, they have a openingon the very bottom so you can sweep it
out and, you know, fill it up that way.
It's sort of about that big.
So small enough that you can't geta foot in there, but big enough that
you can sweep it, that stuff out.
And I love that 'cause the horsescan constantly put their heads

(57:23):
down and it keeps everything inthe corner there, which I loved.
And they don't screw itall over their stalls.
Um, automatic waters, eh, they'rethe good news and the bad news
with those is that they do break.
Horses will lean on them.
That's a mess.
And you can't monitor their water intake.
Yeah.
Um, so even just, you know, I alwaysmake sure my, my, I like to have my water

(57:44):
buckets on one side and my feed on theother side, just so they're not making
their water buckets all manky and nasty.
Um, or their hay.
They're, you know, I know some horseslike to dunk hay, but they will
figure out how to dunk their hay.
Mm-hmm.
You know, but you'rekeeping the water clean.
Um, doors that slideversus doors that open.
Oh, yeah.
Because that's, um, that'sjust a spatial thing.

(58:05):
'cause I, you know, um, doors that opendon't sometimes all the way open and
yeah, horses can get scared of that andthey'll get their hips stuck and that's,
they, you know, can bolt in and out.
Um, windows are very important for horses.
Airflow really important.
Keeping the, you know, the paddockand the barn on one side, and then

(58:26):
if you have like cars and stuff onthe other horses, people, you know?
Yeah.
That's a big thing.
I think that's a, that'sa cri critical thing.
I actually love this.
I was over looking atKaren Wolf's place Yeah.
Recently, because I've heard abouther tracks system and I, she's talks
a lot about how she basically hasa setup where she doesn't even,
she tries to do it so she doesn'thave to put a halter on, actually.

(58:46):
Oh, I know.
It's like very, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Parts of the horse world.
But I personally waslike fascinated by this.
Right.
And what I loved was, she said that,and this was a really, really good tip,
was she like, kind of similar to whatyou just said, like when you come into
the property, the front of the propertyhas all the like, like tractor and Yeah.

(59:07):
Machinery or whatever.
Yeah.
And then she has the fence and thenall the horse, like the majority of the
property is basically for the horses.
Right.
And for horse activities or whatever.
And so what she wanted to do is create.
An environment in which, if ahorse got out right or if a horse
was loose or whatever, that therewasn't a place in which they could

(59:28):
go and get really badly hurt.
Yeah.
Yep, yep, yep.
And so it's like if a horse getsloose or something's happening or
whatever, she's not like, oh no.
Yeah.
Like what if my horse is gonna get afoot in the drag or something like that.
Yeah.
They have everything tucked away.
Yeah.
In a very particular part of the property.
And then everything else is horse safe.
Yeah.
And I thought that was brilliant.
Yeah, I totally, yeah, it's, it'sexactly, that's a very good point.

(59:52):
It's like you keep, keep horses onone side, equipment on the other.
'cause you need theequipment at a farm, right?
You have to have the stuff there, right?
Yeah.
You need the drugs, youneed this, you need that.
But to keep that separated andthen it's, it's also more peaceful,
it's prettier to look at, youknow, there's all those things too.
All those, yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, it's, um, justbeing practical I guess, too.

(01:00:16):
It's like sometimes you justsort of need things that work
for you personally, you know?
What is the best practice for turning outhigh energy horses during show season?
High energy horse, keeping the, keepingthem going out every ti every day I
think is important because then it's notlike a, I'm actually out trying to keep

(01:00:37):
their routine very similar to every day.
I had a couple that were bizarre andthey had to be in the same paddock
next to the same horse every day.
Oh, I love that.
And you had to just do that.
And that's, I mean, it was annoying,but that was the only way they were
gonna be okay in their turnout.
And then sometimes you'd have to, it, youknow, depending on your riding schedule

(01:00:57):
and that day, you might have to cut itshort, but they have to get out every day.
You know, they just, it can't belike once a week type of thing,
because of course they're gonna,it's like a dog being cooped up.
You finally let it out to run out.
It's like, what?
You know, they get so excited orsmall child, they need to keep moving.
Right.
And, you know, monitor themand, and a lot of times, horses
like friends, they want a buddy.

(01:01:19):
You know, they really want to, youknow, we've had horses come in that are
jumping horses from Europe that haven't,haven't been turned out in whatever.
Oh yeah.
And you know, my other half's avery big, as an Australian, a big
believer of horses being out in theirpaddocks mo more than not, you know?
And so, and if they, they just don't know.
And so you get the, we have tworetired horses on the property and

(01:01:40):
that's their job is to be buddies.
The buddies.
And to teach these horses howto, how to be, you know, and
they just, they need a friend.
They, they do much better with a pal.
Isn't that amazing?
'cause that also gives ajob for the retired horse.
Yes.
Yeah.
Which is remarkable.
Yeah.
And seniority exists in horse herds.
Yes.
Like it exists.
Yeah.
Human herd.
Yeah.
Right.
And then it's importantthe elders teach us Yeah.

(01:02:02):
How to be, yeah.
We've had the one that literally the horsewill be canning around it and the retired
horse will just walk right up ahead.
Right.
Like cut 'em off.
And he is like, look, there's grass.
Be one with the grass eat.
You know?
And it's so funny.
And they, me.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, it's like.
You know, Zen hum.
You know, and they, um, they,yeah, they, they like a friend.

(01:02:23):
They, they're herd animals, you know?
They do, they like a friend.
So it's, um, I love that advicethough, because it's like, okay,
if you have a horse that's havinga hard time in turnout, like
the answer is not less, no more.
No, I think it's more becausethey, you can't, yeah.
They just, they gotta be balanced.
I love that.
Okay.
We'll do last question.

(01:02:43):
What is your post jump school careroutine for horses, especially ones
that are a little bit more fragile?
Oh.
Um, first of all, knowing why they'refragile I think is really important.
Um, depends on how muchthey've been jumping.
The ones that are super fragile, they willalways get iced after they jump or gallop.

(01:03:04):
'cause I think that's, um, why not?
Yeah, but I don't think you,I think they need, they.
A lot of people are like, oh, areyou gonna ice them more than once?
But at, because at the same time, yes, youwanna ice them and you wanna look after
them, and you, you, you know, the quickeryou can get 'em into the ice, the better.
But at the same time, you alsoneed to know if they're not okay.

(01:03:24):
Do you know what I mean?
I think it's really important.
'cause sometimes people arelike, oh, be super fragile.
Just ice 'em twice.
And then if you ice 'em twice,then you, then it takes away, uh,
you don't get any inflammation.
Right?
You get no feedback.
And so then you never know.
So then maybe, or maybe you ice 'em threetimes and then they're feeling, they
feeling really good and then they jumpreally hard again the next time and,
and then it actually does more damage.

(01:03:45):
Do you know what I mean?
Like there's, that can be, um, um,counter counteractive part to all of that.
Yeah.
The answer is not, like, more and moremore is not always more, you know?
Yeah.
So, I mean, yes, they should get iced.
Um, and again, a thousanddifferent ways to ice these horses.
But, um, and, and movement.
Gotta move 'em, move, move, move too.
The quicker you can get 'em ice, those iceon their legs, the better it is for them.

(01:04:07):
Um, and again, if it's a foot, if it'sa fetlock, if it's high suspensory,
you know, make sure that that part's,that's the part that's getting iced.
Um, and then, you know, havea look at them later and just,
you know, manage management.
Good feet, good chewing,good, you know, warmup.
Good.
Cool down.
You know, warmup is a really, like, youknow, sometimes you watch these jumper

(01:04:27):
guys, they get on, they do one lapatrot and they just go right to canner.
I'm thinking, I know, you know,walking I know is so critical for
them and, and moving and, and youknow, all the walking is so good.
I a great, great, great,great horseman say that.
We actually, almost everyonedoesn't walk enough.
No, absolutely.

(01:04:48):
And if you think you do walkenough, I walk some more.
He's like, we're, yeah.
You're not walking enough.
No, exactly.
And I'm guilty of it.
We're all guilty of it.
And I think the more instantgratification that we look for
as humans, I think the worst.
Absolutely the worst thing in the world.
I, so they say that all the time.
Yeah.
Gratification.
Horses do not mix.
They just, you cannot, it's supplements.

(01:05:11):
You cannot fix it now.
Like it is a process.
It is, um, you know, it's a long-termprocess of listening to your horses,
looking at them, knowing and doing thewhole thing and then, you know, yeah.
It's not, it's not instant.
Yeah.
God, I wish it was.
Wouldn't that be fun?
So I think, I love thatyou brought up walking.
Yeah.
Because I actually think walking,walking before and walking after Yeah.

(01:05:32):
Is as important.
Yeah.
As icing.
Yeah.
As important.
Oh, yeah.
As all the fancy machinesthat you're gonna get.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
I love, like, if there were one otherthing that you could, you know, one thing
that you would put on a farm is a walker.
I think the walkers are so great tobe able to put a horse on a walker.
Especially the older ones.
They can move before you ride them.

(01:05:52):
They can move if they are, youknow, if you have limited turnout
or something, they can always getmoving and then they move themselves.
They're like, you know.
Treadmills are one thing, butthe treadmill, when it moves, it
basically moves their front feet.
It moves their feet back.
So they're not actually getting thewhole natural step of pulling themselves.
Yes.
And also on a walker, they can puttheir heads down, they can turn right.

(01:06:14):
They can turn left, they can stretchtheir over their backs and do all
those things and not just sort of belike, you know, board to death too.
Right.
On those things.
Oh God.
I know.
Treadmill can't imagine.
They're great for rehab.
They're, yeah, they're rehab.
I will say they're greatfor rehab, but Yeah.
Yeah.
But, and they have a place,they do definitely have a
place, Aqua Treads, treadmills.

(01:06:34):
They have a tremendous place.
Yeah.
I mean, they really, really do.
Yeah.
Um, but I love that that's a walking,that's how they were formed is on the
planes and, and it's waiting loose.
Just moving.
Movement.
Movement.
Constant movement.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I actually, the more I learn,the more I realize that movement

(01:06:54):
with horses is like critical.
Such a preventative.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely, but not active,like passive movement Yeah.
Is remarkably important.
Yeah.
And the more we keep them stallsand the more we limit Yeah.
Their movement, the moreprone they are to Yeah.
The more prone they are to behavior,the more prone they are to Yeah.

(01:07:17):
Just you think about them letting them,you watch a Carl Hester or a, um, any of
those guys, um, Stefan Peters, when youwatch them school their horses, those
horses are collected and then they dropthe rants and they let them trot along
in their movement, doing their movement.
Then they collect them again,and then they let them go.
And they do these big, you know, they sortof stretch and walk and do their things.

(01:07:38):
And it's, and those horses havesuch long careers and longevity,
especially as dressage horses.
They don't, they, you know, they'rea little bit more protected than
an event horse or a jumping horse.
They're, you know, they don't,they, they're stuck in a 20
by 60 always making a turn.
Right.
They're always on a turn.
They're never on astraight line, are they?
You know, so true.
Turning, turning, turning, turning.
And so, yeah.

(01:07:58):
That's crazy.
Well, and Carl Hester'shorses, they get turned out.
It get turned out in pairs.
Yeah.
And they, yeah.
I remember at the, at the Tokyo Olympics,Charlotte Dere, Dan's horse and Carl
Hester's horse were at the trot up and thetwo of them were scratching each other.
And I thought, very rarely do yousee two dressage horses that A,
are allowed to be near each other.

(01:08:19):
B would actually touch each other'sC or actually grooming each other.
And the Rus and grooms are laughingand loving every single minute of it.
And the, everybody's happy.
It was such a great, it was so fun to see.
It was so cool.
Yeah.
And if you don't believe us guys,there's an amazing, we did an awesome
staling with Torah with Carl Esther.
Oh, did you?
That's so cool.
And he goes, and like, they go cracking.

(01:08:40):
And they, yeah, they, and he was like,if anyone has, you know, if he starts
the video basically saying like.
So if everyone's ever asked me ifI turn my horses out, yes I do.
And they go out in pairsand then look behind me.
And they were like, when we were therefilming, they were out in these huge
acre ac, multi acre postures withtheir like all their rain gear on.

(01:09:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Raining.
But then out in pairs together, likeI was like, oh, this is how everybody,
this is how, this is how it should be.
Yeah.
Good lives.
Good lives.
Yeah.
Okay.
So to conclude every episode, okay.
I always ask these five rapid farts.
Oh God.
Okay.
I'm so excited.
Are you ready?
Can I have a sip of water first?
Hold on.

(01:09:23):
So I try to be smart and witty andI'm really not, so there we go.
Yes, you totally are.
Okay.
Okay.
If you could read one book to thehorse world, what would it be?
If I could read onebook to the horse world?
Yeah.
The Phantom Toll booth.
What's that?
I'd have never heard of it.
It's a great, it's a great bookabout adventure and learning
things and being things.
Yes.
Amazing.
That's the first.

(01:09:44):
No one's ever brought that one.
I love the fandom.
Toba, who is the mosticonic horse in history?
Most iconic horse in historywould be probably a horse.
Um, maybe Big Ben, because that's a, thathorse won every, everybody knew who beg, I
mean, in it, again, I'm dating myself, butI think everybody knows who Big Ben was.

(01:10:05):
Yeah.
He was a legend, I would say.
I know.
Can Amazing Canadian horse.
He was amazing.
Canadian.
Canadian rider.
Yeah.
I mean, big Ben was sort of the, thething, the guy, he was pretty iconic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Most undervalued skill as a rider.
Patience.
So patience.

(01:10:27):
It's the hardest thing to know,but it's the most important.
Totally.
Is.
Yeah.
Who is the greatest horsemanor horse woman in history.
Wow.
Yeah.
Not a hard question at all.
There's a myriad list of people.
Um, wow.
Um, in your opinion.
Oh, oh God.

(01:10:47):
I don't even, I can't even,what was, who was the first
person that came to your mind?
Well, you know, Karen and David.
'cause I worked for them and I think theywere, they're both incredible horsemen.
David's a very, very good horseman.
Karen is too, but in a different way.
David has studied it a lot more.
He's been a real studentof the sport to study.
Yeah, the horsemanship side of it.

(01:11:08):
Um, and understanding, I mean, there'sother people that you think of horsemen,
but, um, it's a little gimmicky andstuff like that, that you'd like.
Yeah, it's good.
But, um, but then there's otherpeople from way back when I, I, you
know, I worked, um, one of the guysI worked for had Joey Darby was,
um, had kept a horse with us and hetaught me so much about a little bit

(01:11:29):
of horsemanship and the special ones.
And so I see him as a horseman too.
And, um, you know, some of these old time.
Eventing legends and, you know, yes,they were tough on horses, but at the
same time they were also horsemen.
Um, so it's a bit of a, it can be a bitof a controversial answer, you know, in
some ways, but, um, um, God, you know,even like Jack Logoff was an incredible

(01:11:52):
horseman, but he was, again, toughon his riders, tough on his horses.
He asked a lot of them, but was alsovery, um, you know, that was a guy that
could put his hands on any horse's legblindfolded and could tell you exactly
what the horse it was because he knewwhat every single horse's legs felt like.
Wow.
He was, he was incredible.
And he w he just taught that sortof side of it, um, of the, of

(01:12:15):
the horsemanship side of that ununderstanding, that long format.
You just got touched by horsemanship,but, so anyway, this is supposed to
be rapid fire and I have no answer tothis question, so I don't really, I'm
trying to think of the right people.
I don't know what, what's themost common answer on this one?
There isn't.
Okay.
No.
The one that I loved.
I think it was David's answer.

(01:12:35):
'cause I agree.
David is, and I just wanna like add I dothink David is like, he's like a student.
He is a, such a student of, ofsport, of of equestrian Yeah.
Of yeah.
Like, of Equestrianism aslike a body of knowledge.
Yeah.
You know, and it is really his,his podcast is one of my favorites.

(01:12:56):
It's like, it's like I learnsomething from every time I
said, yeah, I learned something.
Yeah.
Um, but I think his, like, the one thatI found the most fascinating answer to
this question is, um, we'll never know.
Yeah.
Actually that's a, that is very true.
We will never know.
Yeah.
I remember years ago David asked, therewas a group of sort of that younger

(01:13:16):
generation of, you know, when HannahSubnet and Lauren and, uh, tech actually
was there when, when he, 'cause he worked,uh, at Karen and David's with us and.
Sort of that generation.
Bobby Meyerhoff, um, LibbyLono, um, Alexa Peril.
There was sort of that we had probablyabout like eight between like 18 and

(01:13:37):
25 year olds riding with us at the timeand, you know, working for us and stuff.
And he is like, here'sa question for y'all.
And he was like, what?
And he said, if you wanted to beknown, remembered as a, as a, uh,
good competitor, or, oh, did youwanna, do you wanna be known as
being successful or good horseman?
And everyone's like, oh, successful.

(01:13:57):
And I remember there's two of themthat sort of sat back and thought,
and they're like, well, if you're goodhorseman, you're gonna be successful.
And David's like, boom, that's the answer.
And it was just such an interesting thing.
'cause like, you know, the quickoff the cuff thing was like, oh, you
wanna be successful, you wanna beremembered from being successful.
And so it was just kind of funnyto sit and like watch those guys
sort of think it through and havethe conversation with each other.

(01:14:18):
It was one of those,you know, dinner party.
Conversations, extra glassof wine pontificating.
Um, but it was really,that is a David question.
Yeah.
It's definitely a David question.
It was, um, and just watchingthe way people reacted to
the answer and then, oh yeah.
No, I take it back.
I take it back, youknow, it's really funny.
So Yeah.
But we, yeah.
We don't know who the Yeah.
It's still don't know.

(01:14:39):
And Yeah.
And they're, and I bet thegreatest horsemen out there
are people we don't even know.
Well, that's it.
Yeah.
That's the, that is what thatquestion, that's what the answer means.
Yeah.
Is that the great, thetruly, truly great ones Yeah.
Are the ones that live their lives Yeah.
Did their things and neverstepped into those spotlight.

(01:14:59):
Just like, you know, that old saying,like, the best, the best course you'll
ever jump, the best test you'll ever ride.
The best cow you'll ever Yeah.
Hu won't be in public.
Won't be in public.
No.
It'll be Is it like somewhere someday?
I know when's watching.
Exactly.
It's just for you.
Yeah, exactly.
It's just for you.
And, and, and thatsometimes has to be enough.
Yeah.

(01:15:20):
Ooh.
Yeah.
Which is true Scheming.
Yeah.
That does, does have to be enough.
Sometimes it just has to be enough.
Yeah.
Okay.
Last question.
God that're so good.
Um, marere stallions or geldings?
Oh, a marere.
Yes.
I love a good mare.
Oh my God.
I love a good mare.
The good mares are so good,and they're so, they, they

(01:15:43):
are, um, they fight for you.
They have, most of them havereally good self preservation.
Mm. They will look after you.
If you're friends with them.
They're friends with you,and they will look after you.
And they, they dig in when, when pushcomes to shove and you need them to, to
dig in a little bit harder, they willdig in a little bit harder for you.

(01:16:04):
They definitely will.
And they, and they're also, I findmost mares are, um, the good mares
are a lot more self-confidentand they don't get attached.
Like the gelding will geldingsget a bit, um, emotional.
And I think a good mayorjust is very independent.
They appreciate the friendship,but they don't need it.
Mm-hmm.
So yeah.

(01:16:24):
Good.
Mare is so good.
A good Mayor, max.
I. Just so grateful.
The thing on the podcast.
This is fun.
Finally, we got this done.
It took a while.
It's all good.
Yeah.
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