February 12, 2025 • 71 mins
Imagine growing up with a mother who banned coloring books to encourage creativity. In our latest episode, we embark on an eccentric journey into the life of the legendary filmmaker David Lynch, whose unique experiences shaped a mind capable of crafting surreal and unforgettable stories. From his playful childhood in Montana, where mud holes and moths sparked lifelong fascinations, to his profound realization that art could be a career, we explore what ignited his creative spirit.
Transitioning through Lynch's life, we paint a vivid picture of his time in Philadelphia, where he embraced chaos and fear, fueling his concept of the "art life." You'll hear how his environment, from gritty streets to Los Angeles sunshine, played a pivotal role in his artistic development. We navigate the rollercoaster of Lynch's career, capturing his breakthrough with "Eraserhead" and his iconic television debut with "Twin Peaks," a show that forever changed the landscape of TV drama.
Finally, we take a nostalgic look at the cultural phenomenon of "Twin Peaks," diving into the serendipitous creation of the sinister character Bob and the impact it had on actor Frank Silva's life. Listen as we reflect on the vibrant fandom that emerged around the show and the bittersweet stories of its cast and crew. Don't miss our lighthearted musings on what a Lynch-directed sitcom might look like, as we tease more mysteries and stories that lie ahead in future episodes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fade.
In Exterior highway Night.
We see a narrow stretch of roadas it unfurls into the darkness
ahead.
The center lines areilluminated by a pair of
off-screen headlights.
As we pass by, they blur into ariver of yellow paint.
The only sound is theunsettling hum of the wind.
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The road goes on and on atrapidly increasing speed until
it abruptly morphs into apodcast studio with black
curtains when three men arerecording an episode on the life
of David Lynch.
In fact, it's the same episodeyou're listening to right now.
(00:45):
Enter the man from anotherplace.
He snaps his fingers as hestrolls over to the microphone
and says Welcome to DeathineEntertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Please extinguish your cigarette, pour a cup of
hot coffee and cut a big sliceof cherry pie.
The show is about to begin.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
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The hair stood up on my armsJust like in the movies.
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Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's like a super group.
Yeah, five shows a week.
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instead of Wilburys it wasDingleberries.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Hey, hello, won'tberries.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Okay, and speaking of Dingleberries, david Lynch was
not one.
Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Very good Today we're discussing David Lynch.
Oh one, yes, very good.
Today we're discussing DavidLynch.
Oh my God.
The life, the death, theunbelievable man that was.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yes, unbelievable career.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yes, well, life, death, everything.
We have to warn you, guys, ifthis is the first time you're
listening to us, we are a truecrime comedy podcast, so we will
be laughing about dark subjectsat rate and don't take it
personal.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, and david lynch , I think, would appreciate that
.
I think he would.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
We got a few chuckles in he had a great sense of
humor.
I watched a youtube clip of himwatching ace ventura, aka jim
carrey, getting birthed out ofthe hippo's asshole or the
rhinoceros rhinoceros asshole,and he watches the whole clip
and he's like fantastic, he wasthe best you know what's crazy
is?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I bought the novelization of that movie when
I was a kid from the book itorder and when that scene, when
I got to that scene in the book,he came out of his mouth
instead of the butt what?
And I was so pissed off.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
There's a novelization of Ace Ventura, Pet
Detective 2.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, when nature calls.
Oh, I have it.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
That's incredible.
Yeah, that's actuallyincredible.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Wow, I had no idea.
See, we're learning here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But it was censored so it was bullshit.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yes, wow, we are here to laugh, we, let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And this podcast is not censored, so buckle up as we
fade in to the life of DavidLynch, thank you.
(04:21):
So David Lynch was born inMissoula, montana, beautiful
state Not too populated.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Definitely not.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
His dad was a forestry research scientist for
the Department of Agriculture.
His name was Donald, like theduck.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Like the Sutherland.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, and his mom, edwina, was nicknamed Sunny, as
in the sunshine Not, you know,sunny from Godfather.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I was thinking Sunny from the WWE, who was currently
incarcerated for killing someonewhile driving drunk.
Yes, miss Sitch.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Definitely not that one.
So Sonny was an English tutorand David had two younger
siblings, eventually named Johnand Martha.
So this family moved around alot.
After Montana they moved toSandpoint, Idaho, another rural
area, and one of David Lynch'sfondest memories when he was
(05:32):
little was sitting around withhis buddy Dickie Smith.
Oh, good old Dickie Smith.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
We all had a Dickie Smith in our life.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And they would sit in a mud hole that his mom dug out
for them.
On hot days, you better not besitting out in that mud hole
with Dickie Smith.
No, she wanted them to sitthere.
She dug it, yeah.
And then she would.
Not only did she dig it, butshe also dug it.
Dig it as in liked it, yeah.
And she brought them a hose andwould fill it like it's a
(06:00):
swimming pool.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, and David Lynch would just sit there and play
with the mud and the clay, andthis is what started his
obsession with textures.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Interesting, yeah, very tactile learning.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Mm-hmm.
And then they moved toWashington State in the Pacific
Northwest, and this might comeup with one of his most famous
creations later this area.
So his mom was wise to histalent that he was a little
different.
So she banned coloring booksbecause they were too
(06:37):
restrictive.
Oh, Interesting you got tocolor in the lines, yeah, and
why have lines at all?
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Well, that's kind of forming the image.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, she took it even further.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Kind of makes it so you know you're painting an
elephant or something Right, asopposed to the blank page.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But yeah, I get it If he was just weird from day one.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
She sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, and he's like drawing pictures of like
elephant testicles and devilCreative kid yeah, so there's a
flip side to this, also becausehe went on to hate studying in
school.
School just wasn't for him.
He didn't like being in thatbox.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I could imagine.
He's such a creative, obviouslyvery intelligent and just all
the monotony of the US educationsystem.
He was probably bored off hisass, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Could you imagine David Lynch sitting quietly in
US history class?
Not at all, I don't think so,no way.
So one of his schoolmates toldhim that his dad was a painter
for a living.
Like that's how he got thebread for his family.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And this blew David's mind because he's like, wow, I
want to do that.
Yeah, and in his free time hewould draw pictures of machine
guns, rifles, pistols.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You see a theme here yeah, sounds like the kurt
cobain journal that theyreleased after he died, which I
thought was extremelydistasteful.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then he started painting a lot and one day a
moth flew onto his canvas and itgot stuck there and instead of
trying to take it off, he leftit there and said this is
brilliant, this is my mothpainting.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Well, Mrs Lynch, he's either going to be a serial
killer or a very successfulHollywood director.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, that's interesting, because throughout
his life he actually was verykind to every bug.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like if you saw an ant in the house, you'd have to
pick it up and take it outside.
What?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
about his uncle?
What do you mean?
If he saw an ant inside hishouse, he'd take it outside.
Oh, outside.
What about his uncle?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
What do you mean If he?
Speaker 6 (08:46):
saw an ant inside his house, he'd take it outside.
Oh wow, what about an uncle?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Jokes that hit you on the way home.
That's a good one, that's areal thinker, that was a good
one.
But he didn't mind dead bugs ifthey were already dead, okay,
he collected those and he wouldpaste them onto paper only
natural causes right well, yeah,that would be demented to go
(09:13):
out and kill your subjects,wouldn't it?
I suppose so and again it wasall about texture for him.
That's why he loved bugs.
So there was an incident whenhe was young that I think
informed the rest of his life,although he credits his creative
boom to a later stage.
But you got to listen to thisstory from his childhood and
(09:35):
this is taken from thedocumentary the Art Life oh cool
.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Out of the darkness comes this kind of like a
strangest dream, Because I'dnever seen an adult woman naked
and she had beautiful pale whiteskin and she was completely
naked and I think her mouth wasbloodied.
And she kind of came strangelywalking strangely across
(10:15):
Shoshone and came into ParkCircle Drive and it seemed like
she was sort of like a giant.
And she came closer and closerand my brother started to cry.
Something was bad wrong withher and I don't know what
(10:39):
happened, but I think she satdown on a curb crying.
But it was very mysterious,Like we were seeing something
otherworldly, and I wanted to dosomething for her.
But I was little, I didn't knowwhat to do and I don't remember
(11:00):
any more than that.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Good Lord.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Sounds like the mom from Peter Jackson's Dead Alive.
Very careful, that's a zombie,my friend.
I kick ass for the Lord Whoa.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yeah, so that Wait.
So did that really happen orthat was a dream?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
No, that happened, oh my God, a naked ass.
That's a horrible way to seeyour first naked woman, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it should be on real sex HBO in your basement
with your friends giggling.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Don't even get me going, man.
I can't tell you how many timesI tried to jerk off to taxi cab
conventions.
Yeah, you know, you're justjerking off to an Italian who
drives a cab Horrible, there wasnever nudity on that one.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
No, it was just the stories, man.
Well, there was never nudity onthat one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, it was just the stories, man.
Well, and there weren't thatmany hot people.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
No On Real Sex.
There was not one hot personever.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Like some gnarly looking dude, like I'm going to
an orgy.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, I've said this so many times, but the only
episode I remember is the PonyPlay episode from Real Sex.
They aired it all the time.
People had fun.
Oh yeah, like fun, fun likehorses.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I don't understand yeah no one needs to be exposed
to that.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Let's be honest, they were having fun god knows, it
probably made a couple of otherdavid lynch's out there maybe
the birth of the furry movement,too, could be.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So david lynch leaves his hometown, which is a lot of
places.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
He's in.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Washington now, yeah.
And then he goes to the EastCoast, yeah the best coast.
He spent a little time inBoston, went to the museum
school, which he hated.
He didn't like the city, didn'tlike the school.
Oh, come on, I don't think hecares for the East Coast at all.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I love Brooklyn.
I am East Coast, midwest WestCoast.
Probably end up in Texas atsome point.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Who knows?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'm going to crucify this entire country in a cross
shape.
But I could see Lynch justbeing so fed up with Boston
immediately.
I think they're probably meanto him, to be honest.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, it's all the smartest and dumbest people
mashed up, and those stupidpeople completely outnumber the
smart people.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Right.
And then the smart people feellike they're really smart
because they're around suchstupid people yeah.
And then you got David Lynch,who was super smart but probably
doesn't like school, so smartpeople think he's stupid.
And then stupid people thinkhe's a nerd.
Yeah, he was totally screwed,yep.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And he had that distinct voice.
So imagine him standing there,going hi, I'm an artist.
Why don't you, like me, want tosee my bugs Go?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Sox, Yo go Red Sox.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh, I got some bugs in my pubes.
I'm wearing Red Sox, I got somebugs in my pubes.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I'm wearing red socks .
No, it's a baseball team, younerd.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
At one point he was roommates with Peter, who was
part of the Jake Giles band, oh,and then he got stoned for the
first time and went to a BobDylan concert.
The whole group went there,okay, and he hated it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Does he like anything ?
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Oh yeah, Dead bugs and paint.
Yeah, he likes mud.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I don't blame him, though.
When I saw Bob Dylan, it waslike I'm not a huge Bob Dylan
guy.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
My buddy, adam, is a huge Bob Dylan fan, so I got to
show him some love.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, he's a legend.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He's a legend.
I've tried, it just doesn'thook me for some reason, and I
don't know why.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I said to my buddy next to me like oh, when's he
going to play like a RollingStone, really looking forward to
that.
And my buddy goes oh, healready played that.
Yeah, oh, he already playedthat yeah.
So anyway, david Lynch gets inan argument with his roommate
Peter about the concert, andthat ended their partnership.
(14:53):
He moved out.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Bob Dylan dividing people, a house divided over Bob
Dylan.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Then David Lynch moves to Philadelphia.
Philly's a beautiful town In thelate 1960s and he went to
school there based on advicefrom his close friend, jack Fisk
.
And he met Jack Fisk one day ata general store.
He was trying to buy a soda popfrom him and Jack Fisk got to
(15:29):
talking to him and then theyrealized they were both artists
and decided to split rent spaceon a studio.
So that started a verylucrative partnership.
Actually, oh nice, actually, ohnice.
(15:51):
So while in, philly lynchmarries his first wife, peggy
lynch, and they have a kid namedjennifer, and they bought a
cheap house in a high crime areathat's where artists live, yeah
, that's where they thrive andhe said the streets were filled
with hate and filth.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
That's where artists live.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, so Philly's like the baby of New York and
Boston, like it has the gridthat New York has, but all the
same like historical cobblestonestreets and the familiar racism
that Boston has as well.
Oh, that's dumb.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, he hated it more than Boston, wow, and he
called it a mean town.
He had a racist neighbor whoreeked of urine and then another
one who went around squawkinglike a chicken.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Oh, philadelphia, it's always sunny.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So, interestingly enough, this got his creative
juices flowing, because he wasscared for his life yeah, this
is truly where creatives becomemore creative.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It was in will, I was .
I lived in williamsburg,brooklyn, for 15 years and you
could see it the wealthier itgot, the less creative it was
yeah when I first moved, therewas a little grungy and you were
like all right, we got someartists here and then, sooner
than later, it was just full ofrich hipster kids and no more
art.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, so remember he grew up with this idyllic
childhood.
Even though the family movedaround a lot, it was happy and
stable.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It seems like he played in mud a lot.
Well, yeah, I don't know ifit's idyllic, it seems like he
played in mud a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well, yeah, I don't know if it's idyllic Well, he
was well taken care of, had anight, his parents didn't beat
him or anything.
He didn't have any stories ofhow he was messed up because of
his childhood.
So this was a contrast inPhiladelphia, like oh wow, this
is this world I didn't knowexisted, right.
And he started catching ideas.
(17:47):
And this is where he said hestarted living the art life, as
he calls it, and the art life issimply doing what you want and
being creative and being anartist.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Getting used to saltines every night and being a
little broke, but doing whatyou do.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, and that's exactly what he was at.
This time broke, and so all thesounds of the city and the
smell, all the senses, Right itjust.
He immediately startedpicturing all these images in
his head.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The neighbor is a chicken.
Did you guys see the show theGentleman at all?
I don't think so.
It's a show.
It's a brand new hit show.
It's a british comedy, guyrichie involved, and there's a
scene where a guy has to dressas a chicken and it's fucking
hilarious.
Be the chicken, be the chicken.
Anyway, that's what hisneighbor was acting like.
Oh yeah, that's why I bringthat up.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Check out the gentleman if you haven't seen it
will do, and rocky had to chasechickens around in philly.
There we go, part of histraining yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Okay, I'm sure he ran by a lot of people that smelled
like urine.
He was running so fast.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
That's why he's trying to get up the steps to
get away from the piss smell.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean it kind of sounds like North Hollywood a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Oh, spells of Europe, currently Everywhere,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
His first experimental film involved.
It was like a moving paintingwith the sound of wind, and I
have a clip here from aninterview he did with the BBC
where he talks about where hisideas come from.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Or they could be triggered.
They just come to you from theether and if they are in the
memory, if they're stored away,one day for some reason they're
released and it seems like abrand new idea.
Or an idea comes in from theether and as it pops, it may be
colored from something that youknow.
The picture that formssometimes reading a book are
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something that you know.
The picture that formssometimes reading a book are
pictures that you put togetherfrom the past or your
imagination kicks in.
You can't really tell whatforms those pictures.
It's the words on the page andprobably many internal things.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I love him so much.
Yeah, so he's very inspired,yeah, and he started to take
painting very seriously andactually found work printing
engravings and then he made a 16millimeter short called the
Alphabet in 1968.
(20:21):
And that's where he decidesyeah, I'm going to keep doing
this Like they weren'tprofitable, but he was getting
some attention for the shortfilms, right, he's like I got a
future in art.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
This isn't horrible, so I can do this.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
His dad came to visit him and saw some of his work
and then, in an awkward car ride, told him you should never have
kids.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Don't do it to yourself.
And and I'm yeah did he say itlike you're too good to have
kids, don't have them.
Or was he like, son, you're notmentally stable?
Yeah, like what?
The second one?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
that's amazing but of course his wife peggy was
pregnant with jennifer at thetime having this conversation
Too late, a couple months toolate, dan.
Well, his short films garneredenough attention that eventually
he got offered a grant from theAmerican Film Institute Awesome
(21:16):
.
And then he moved to sunny LosAngeles, where all the dreams
come true yeah, in 1971.
And began working at the AFIConservatory.
Very nice.
He describes the first time heexperienced California sunshine.
(21:39):
He said he could feel itpulling the fear out of him.
Hmm, interesting.
And he decided this is home.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So that's cool, that's very cool.
He fell in love with LA I meanobviously LA in 1970.
In 1971 he moved there.
It's a very different city thanit is now it is.
I think, yeah, that's wonderful.
He felt invigorated by thesunshine of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, and he loved it till the end.
He had a house not too far fromus in the Hollywood Hills,
there near the Hollywood Bowl.
Yeah, Very nice.
So this brings us to Eraserheadhis first feature.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So his dad told him not to breed before Eraserhead
even came out.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, he just saw his weird experimental films like
one of them is an.
It's like an amputee, likenursing a wound.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Okay, it's very unsettling sure I mean, you know
, that's the kind of person Iwant as a father.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, so lynch wrote a 21 page script for a feature
length film to be calledEraserhead, about a quiet man
living in a dystopian industrialwasteland.
And they give birth to amonster.
And then he leaves.
Oh no, he gives birth.
(23:03):
After the deformed baby comesto be, the girlfriend splits.
Oh and so he's left to care forthis baby all by himself.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
She's all mad.
She gave birth to it Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and so this was obviously influenced by his own
insecurity about fatherhood.
The setting is this industrialhousecape, which was inspired by
Philadelphia.
Yeah, you can see the profoundinfluence that had on his life
and career, because after thisit just led to his aesthetic
(23:39):
filmically.
And, of course, jack Nance, whowe did a full episode on,
already starred in Eraserheadand there's that indelible image
on the poster with hisFrankenstein hair, black and
white, wide eyes.
It's great.
It's not a movie for everyone,no, everyone.
(24:10):
But so they filmed it at someabandoned stables, um, and, you
know, in the back of the afiproduction studio, made on a ten
thousand dollar grant, becausethe idea was maybe he'll make
another easy rider, which wascheap and profitable yeah, well,
it wasn't like Easy Rider.
Not at all.
No, not at all.
Weirdly enough, there's an acidtrip scene in Easy Rider, but
(24:31):
the real acid trip is Eraserhead.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
And didn't they really take acid in Easy Rider?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, holy shit .
And to make ends meet, whilemaking this movie, david Lynch
had a paper route and he woulddeliver the Wall Street Journal
to houses in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Imagine that opening your front door and be like
thank you, david, appreciate thepaper, no problem sir.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Hey, david, watch the rose bushes.
So remember Jack Fisk, hisfriend, who he met at the
general store yes well, he wouldend up donating all the money
to finish financing the film.
Oh, and he was married to awoman named sissy spacek oh wow,
(25:21):
of course yeah, david ended updivorcing his wife, peggy,
during the course of theproduction and he began living
at the stables.
So this is really the art liferight here.
He's living on the set.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Could you imagine if they did that on any other movie
?
Yeah, Like the Flintstones Broare you homeless?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, sissy Spacek Carrie right.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.
So this was going as good as hecould have hoped for, because
he's getting to make this movieand he has some epiphanies.
He becomes a vegetarian.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He quits drinking alcohol and he starts to
practice transcendentalmeditation.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
This was very popular in the 70s.
Andy Kaufman did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And this was a few years removed from that famous
trip the Beatles made to theMaharashi and you know they,
yeah, they all dress like JustinTrudeau.
And Paul McCartney studies itto this day and David Lynch
studied it to the end, andthere's more on that later.
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It was one of the biggestthings in his life besides
movies Wow.
So even though he's taking careof himself and he's trying to
better himself, he continues toindulge in his two other
favorite things coffee andcigarettes.
(26:57):
Like all good directors, yeah,he was basically a chimney with
a pompadour haircut and you knowit's hard to say like you could
compare any vice to that, likeeven eating too much.
There's some things when youpair it with writing or
(27:18):
creativity, anything, thecreation of something, it's like
a necessary element for someartists.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I don't know about eating too much.
I can't imagine like a lasagnanext to Stephen King while he
writes the next it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I say that like what?
If you know, I can't writewithout my rigatoni.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You know I need my cheese.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I can't finish this script, gotta have the Taco Bell
app open when I finish thissentence.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Some vices are sexier than others Coffee and
cigarettes for a director.
It's a sexy.
Those are two sexy vices, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I just mean, if you're really trying to, you
know, finish a deadline orwhatever.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Having comorbidities doesn't hurt.
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
You're not being so healthy, whatever your vice is
yeah, wasn't able to finish thescreenplay Jersey.
Mike's was closed.
And you know, I need my hoagie,I'm just ruined.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So they finish.
The movie Eraserhead getsreleased.
A lot of audiences and criticsdidn't really know what to make
of it, yeah, but it ended upbecoming a cult movie, huge
movie, like Pink Flamingos andthe Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So it made the rounds in New York, la and San
Francisco and ends up grossing$7 million.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Nice Off a $10,000 budget, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Whoa.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Not bad at all, jack.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Fisk is wealthy now and, of course, his wife is a
major Hollywood star.
Yes, after Carrie is releasedaround the same time.
So yeah, considered one of themost influential midnight movies
of all time.
You know who was a big fan ofit?
Who?
Mel Brooks.
Oh my God that's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And so did you know I love me some Mel.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Brooks.
He produced the Elephant manMel Brooks.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, I did not know that?
Speaker 6 (29:07):
That he did that.
I had no idea until this weekthat this is a Lynch movie.
Oh that he did that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I had no idea until this week that this is a Lynch
movie.
Oh yeah.
So after seeing Eraserhead hemeets with Lynch and he says
you're a madman, I love you, andhires him to direct it.
And imagine at one point duringproduction his dad said that
thing about, not that heshouldn't be a parent himself.
That he shouldn't be a parenthimself.
(29:34):
Well, when his dad and hisbrother visited him in Los
Angeles during the making ofEraserhead, they actually had a
talk with him and said that heshould quit filmmaking
altogether and get a real job.
I don't know if this father issupportive.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, not really.
Don't have kids and father issupportive yeah, not really.
Don't have kids and go to workyeah, as an adult Work at a
factory.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, david Lynch, for crying out loud.
I don't want David Lynch doinganything other than what David
Lynch does.
Yeah, can you imagine if heworked at Target?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
What a horrible employee he would be so, and
they weren't just asking him toquit, you know, filmmaking.
They were begging him, theywere very worried.
So imagine that.
And then being broke the entiretime, not knowing where this is
(30:29):
all going to lead to.
Just a few years later, in 1980, he directs the elephant man
with anthony hopkins and he getsan oscar nomination for best
director wow and it's nominatedfor best picture.
This is just a few years aftermaking his weird midnight film.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, as I mentioned, peter Jackson's Dead
Alive.
He went from that to Lord ofthe Frickin' Rings.
It's so crazy.
So Hollywood is bizarre, andthey saw a lot of talent in
David Lynch.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
They literally are killing people with a lawnmower,
yeah, and then he's like oh youknow, I'll do King Kong.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
One of the most epic trilogies of all time Nuts.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So Lynch is on the map.
He's one of the hottest newdirectors in hollywood.
George lucas asked to have ameeting with him.
Wow, and so he.
He says I think you shoulddirect return of the jedi oh my
god, that would have beenawesome and lynch says no, thank
you.
(31:31):
Oh my God, that would have beenawesome and Lynch says no,
thank you.
What a nutsack on that guy, Canyou imagine turning down Return
of the Jedi God?
it would have been a differentmovie.
Oh, absolutely Like.
How do you make Jabba the Hutteven weirder?
Oh my.
God, that scene would havegotten a lot sexier and, let's
be honest, princess leiaprobably would have lost the top
(31:53):
to the bikini.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
yeah, oh yeah, had blood blood drooling out of her
mouth.
You remind me of a woman I sawon the street when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and yoda's talking backwards.
Yeah, like try.
I was like I don't know whatyou're talking about, because
I've never seen a david lynch.
I was like I don't know whatyou're talking about because
I've never seen a David Lynch.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I saw you raise your head in high school.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Talking backwards is a trope.
Oh yes, and so David Lynchsmartly turns down Return of the
Jedi because he just doesn'tthink he's right for it.
Wow, Although of course, ourversion of it sounded pretty
good.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I think you would do great, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So he chooses Dune instead, based on the novel by
Frank Herbert, of course thesedays everyone knows it as the
Timothy Chalamet vehicle.
Yes, I interviewed Brian Herbert, his son, and a lot interesting
relationship with he and hisfather, Fairly good yeah, but it
was a box office and criticalfailure at the time and Lynch
(32:51):
considers this movie the onlyreal failure of his career.
He absolutely hated it.
This is similar to how StanleyKubrick hated Spartacus, and it
was only after Spartacus andleaving the Hollywood system
that he was able to do his realwork, his personal films, right
that?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
he was able to do his real work, his personal films,
Right.
It's like when Willie Nelsonleft Nashville for Austin.
He finally got with the Outlawsand became the Willie we know
and love today.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, it's exactly like that, and when asked about
a director's cut for Dune in2024, he said it would be
impossible because producer DinoDe Laurentiis never allowed him
to shoot anything the way hewanted to.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I was under the impression hedidn't really even get to direct
Dune.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, he was a hired hand, right Quote.
I started selling out even inthe script phase, knowing I
didn't have final cut, and Isold out.
So it was a slow dying, thedeath and a terrible, terrible
experience.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
oh man it's like toby hooper and steven spielberg.
Mm-hmm, spielberg reallydirected it, true?
Which one?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
uh, poltergeist, oh yeah spielberg will come up in
this episode again.
He's got his fingers ineverything okay, um, leave my
daughter alone, leave et alone,yeah.
So there was a positive thing,though, for dune it was the
(34:22):
theatrical movie debut of kylemclaughlin, and he would become
a frequent collaborator of lynchAbsolutely, that's a fine cup
of coffee.
And they got right to work withthe next movie, Blue Velvet,
released in 1986.
And Blue Velvet, this is nowDavid Lynch.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Unleashed.
Yeah, this might be my favoriteLynch movie.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's debatable.
For sure, I love this movie.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Dennis Hopper is such a fantastic psycho actor and
I'm pretty sure he was alsoreally high in this movie.
I think he was truly huffingsome gasoline.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
What's his line in that?
Like don't fucking look at me.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
And then, of course, they gave PBR a large push as
well.
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Because what's he trashed?
Pabst Blue Ribbon.
What's the one he's trashing,like Heineken or something I
forget.
Yeah, but he's really adamant.
It has to be Pabst Blue Ribbon.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
PBR.
They won a Blue Ribbon in like1834, before people had taste
buds.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So yeah, Blue Velvet, it's like a mystery.
It's about Kyle MacLachlanfinds a severed human ear in a
field and then he goes on toinvestigate and he becomes
intermingled with the world ofthis beautiful nightclub singer.
And Dennis Hopper, who's apsycho Perfect.
(35:50):
And there's Roy Orbison music.
You got Bobby Vinton, the titlesong.
It's great because it's kitsch,it's Americana.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yep, absolutely.
I think Dennis Hopper'scharacter and the character from
no Country for Old Men, twogreatest psychopaths of all time
Different styles.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They got to make a movie like Different styles.
They gotta make a movie likeFreddy vs Jason.
They really do.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Man, I've been re-watching Celebrity Deathmatch
because it's on Paramount andif they could make that, if they
could have them fight it out,that'd be fantastic, that'd be
sick.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
So Isabella Rossellini plays that nightclub
singer and her character wasinspired by Judy Garland oh
which, that nightclub singer,and her character was inspired
by judy garland oh which, ifyou'll recall, she starred in
the wizard of oz and this isdavid lynch's favorite movie
hands down.
Wow, it was that and it's awonderful life.
But the wizard of oz, okay,there's actually a documentary I
(36:48):
watched called lynch oz andwell, that sounds uh
questionable oh, it was actuallyvery given the history of the
nation very fair.
Oh god, yeah, if you don't knowthe context, yeah there were
some things that happened lynchslash oz.
Yeah, so the wizard of o Ozpretty much made it into all of
(37:12):
his movies post Blue Velvet.
You see so many homages andsimilarities and just flat out
references.
So it's basically he loved theidea of, you know, turning
normality on its head Like shegoes from Kansas to Oz, right.
(37:33):
Even the artifice of some ofthe characters, like some of the
close-ups in the Wizard of Ozwhere you can see the makeup,
like he loved that like kind ofjuxtaposing reality.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And we do pretend.
Wizard of Oz is like alighthearted movie, but it's a
horror film.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Oh, absolutely, and it's got everything.
Really.
It's got so many genres in itit's comedy, it's musical, it's
horror.
Yeah, it's so, and yeah, soanyway, that was a big influence
.
Rory Orbison originallyrejected Lynch's request to use
the song In Dreams in thebrothel scene, but then Lynch
(38:15):
found a loophole and used itanyway.
But Orbison loved the movie soended up doing a music video for
it.
So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Love it Turned him down, he did it anyway.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, that's pretty much the story of David Lynch's
career.
Yeah, because a lot of peoplewill see the script like what
the hell is this?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Was there a specific reason he didn't want it
associated with, likeprostitution or?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
what?
Well, it's a very violent movie.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, rory Orbison wasn't known as like aggressive.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
No, he looks like my Aunt Janet.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, he really does Well.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So Blue Velvet is considered one of the best films
of the 1980s and he got hissecond Oscar nomination for Best
Director.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Now, to be fair, the number one movie of the 1980s
was Chopping Mole, chopping Mole.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, that's a classic.
It's a classic.
You ever see it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, I don't remember it that well it's
robots that shoot lasers.
They don't even chop people.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I can picture the VHS cover.
Yep, that's all you got to do.
And then his next movie wasWild at Heart, released in 1990.
And this really is the firsttrue David Lynch movie, in my
opinion, because he was able todo Blue Velvet after you know
Dune, and work out of the studiosystem.
(39:35):
But this is the first time thatnow everyone knows what he's
capable of, so he gets to doabsolutely anything he wants and
people are going to be on boardfor it.
So I mean, this is a weird,beautiful, exhilarating movie
and just like the Wizard of Oz,it's hilarious and it's
horrifying.
(39:55):
It's an early role from NicolasCage, and Laura Dern had also
been in Blue Velvet.
She's his lover in this.
I think Natural Born Killersowes a lot to it.
Oh, wow.
And yeah, it's like a noir roadtrip movie.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yeah, and Laura Dern, her mom, was actually the mom
in the movie.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah, help me out here.
What's her name?
Diane Ladd.
Yeah, and she got nominated foran Oscar for this movie and she
plays essentially the WickedWitch character, and Wild at
Heart is his most overtly Wizardof Oz referencing movie,
because literally, glinda theGood Witch shows up in a bubble.
(40:42):
There's so many referencesthroughout the entire movie.
Gotcha.
And, in fact, let's watch alittle clip from it.
This is Jack Nance, who starredin Eraserhead, and you'll see
one of these not-so-subtlereferences.
Yeah, oh yeah, I remember thisnow.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
My dog barks some.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Just staring at him.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Mentally you picture my dog, but I have not told you
the type dog which I have.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Perhaps you might even picture Toto from the
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But I can tell you my dog is always with me.
A nice little shot here at theend a bunch of plus-sized women
(42:07):
yes, dancing, big and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yes, yeah, wow, I love that totally normal human
interaction yeah, and hearingthat clip you might think, hey,
what's the context?
Well, you're thinking that whenyou're watching the movie as
well doesn't need to beexplained.
There's so many vignettes thatjust work out of context in
david lynch's movies.
So, and I actually think thatclip is a great representation
(42:32):
of why David Lynch is a genius.
It just has everything in itthat you love, david Lynch for
the music, the mood, the senseof humor, the darkness.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
You can't look away.
No, it's compelling.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It varies the way people speak.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Also, it's interesting that he seems to now
have a pretty good collectiveof actors, oh yeah, that he
continues to kind of fall backon.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Exactly, jack Nance shows up all the time, obviously
Laura Dern and a lot of TwinPeaks crossover in Wild at Heart
, because that same year is whenTwin Peaks, the TV show,
premiered.
The TV show premiered, so itstarted when he developed a
(43:16):
friendship with writer MarkFrost after their Marilyn Monroe
project fell apart, which wouldhave been pretty cool if they
made that they were going to doa biopic.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Yeah, they were.
Wow, marilyn Monroe brought toyou by David Lynch.
Mm-hmm, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Because the thing is he sort of gave you that anyway
in a lot of his movies.
Because we talked about theAmericana, the settings.
Well, he also loved the pinupgirls of the 1950s, right, and
the, you know, like the JamesDeans, the Greasers, so that
shows up all the time up untilyou know Mulholland Drive.
(43:51):
Even so, in some ways ways Ifeel like you kind of saw that
already you can certainlypicture what it might have been
right.
So his agent encouraged him todo a tv show which you guys
remember tv even back in the 90s.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It was not prestige, it was not no, no, if you were a
television actor, you couldn'tbecome a movie star I've heard
of, and if you were a movie starthat all of a sudden does a tv
show, it's like they're in theirloser era yeah, you get the
stink on you, right, yeah and sodavid lynch had to really think
about this and then said uh,you know okay but I would also
(44:29):
say it was a time of appointmentviewing and when the show hit
like TV shows did become very,very popular.
It had huge followings.
So this isn't he's not doing asitcom.
No, you know this isn't fullhouse Like Twin Peaks, I think,
sort of it elevated television.
Speaker 6 (44:49):
Yeah, god, imagine if Lynch did a sitcom.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
That would be awesome .
It would be the sitcom fromNatural Born Killers, where
Ronnie Dangerfield is having sexwith his daughter.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
That's what would be the sitcom, so I'm good actually
.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He did make a short film about.
There was a parody of a sitcomstarring a family of rabbits,
okay, so that's sort of that Icould watch.
Yeah, that's sort of that, Icould watch.
Yeah, that's what you would get.
They pitched the idea to thenetwork as a police drama meets
soap opera, and it would beabout the mysterious murder of
(45:24):
the girl next door, laura palmer, and this was loosely inspired
by the unsolved murder ofsomeone named hazel.
Irene drew in 1909 ohinteresting and, like blue
velvet twin peaks, explores theunpleasant reality just beneath
the surface in small townamerica I do love the way they
(45:47):
sold it.
It's a police drama but kind oflike a soap opera too, and it's
fucking so much weirder than allof that filled to the brim with
scenes like we just watched inwild at heart yeah and you know
again exploring dreams versusreality, and he mixes monsters
with whimsy and he uses a lot ofdoppelgangers the idea, the,
(46:11):
the duality of man, right Likegood versus evil.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
But he has literal doppelgangers in the show as
well, it was also one of theonly television shows to ever
star an actual log Right.
The log lady.
The log lady, which isabsolutely incredible, and then
the mother and father or thebrother-sister, actually from
People Under the Stairs EverettMcGill, I believe the actor's
(46:37):
name is.
Those people scare the shit outof me to this day.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
She was in it too, wasn't she?
Yes?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
I believe that she was the the red-haired.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, oh wow, that is incredible.
You can keep going.
I'm just fixing it.
Oh, okay, people Under theStairs directed by one of Kyle's
favorite directors, wes Cravenyeah one of my favorite too.
Underrated movie, wouldn't yousay?
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I mean that movie is.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Is it underrated?
I thought everyone knew it wasscary.
Well, I don't think everyone'sseen it.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
Oh, you gotta see it, it holds up, it's man.
Yeah, pornhub wasn't the first.
I don't think everyone's seenit.
Oh, you gotta see it, it holdsup, it's man.
Yeah, pornhub wasn't the firstones to entertain the idea of
brothers and sisters having sexwith each other.
S&m fetish.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Oh my God, yeah that.
And taxicab confessions right.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Good intro in the 90s , yeah, yeah, so yeah, by this
point, when Twin Peaks premieresit.
Let me just restate that.
So now that, so with Twin Peaks, david Lynch's persona is well
(47:55):
defined as a filmmaker, he's anauteur and there's even a word
for it lynchian.
You know, it's all the.
You know it's difficult.
Subject matter shot beautifully, the images are pleasing and
Pauline Kael, the influentialfilm critic, called him the
(48:17):
first populist, surrealistInteresting, which I think makes
populist, surrealistInteresting, which I think makes
a lot of sense, yeah, which iswhy, on one hand, people are
frustrated with his work and, onthe other hand, that
frustration turns to admiration.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Right, For me, always Twin Peaks is comforting
because of the soundtrack.
Oh yeah, the soundtrack is verypeaceful.
The intro almost puts me to bed, but obviously I want to stay
awake for the show.
But I thought that was alwaysinteresting about that program
because again, it is reallyfucked up, yeah, but then the
soundtrack is almost like thewind.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, in fact, there'sliterally wind sounds during
some of the most importantmoments in the series, for
example in the Black Lodge.
Oh, I love it.
We're not going to get into thewhole mythology and plot here.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
I'm sure there's another podcast that covers that
.
You can just do an entire 10years on Twin Peaks alone.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, but the Black Lodge had a black and white
checkered floor with redcurtains and that was where the
evil doppelgangers would hangout and control certain elements
in the real world.
But the music was by composerAngelo Badalamenti, who did all
of Lynch's movies.
Oh okay, Blue Velvet's score isgreat too.
(49:38):
And then also mixing in theoldies, the good old jukebox
oldies Love it.
So the two-hour pilot of TwinPeaks debuted in spring 1990.
And if you can believe it, itwas the highest rated TV movie
for the 1989-90 season.
(50:00):
A two-hour premiere yeah, thatis so huge Love that and you
have to think of howgroundbreaking this was, because
we were just talking about thestate of television.
Then, and here comes this showthat's shot like a movie and it
doesn't have a lot of easy todefine mainstream elements.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
And they don't.
You know.
A lot of the shows were likeColumbo, where it starts and you
know what happens and then hesolves it.
Yeah, that's the end of theepisode.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
They call that episodic television, where you
can just watch one and you'regood, yeah, and that was the
majority of shows Murder.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
She Wrote things like that.
And then he has a murder showwhich I still don't think it's
over.
Right, I know it's done, but Idon't know if it's done.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, it would continue week to week.
Yeah, so if you missed anepisode you might be lost.
Speaker 6 (50:47):
Yeah, there are horses teleporting into people's
living rooms.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, of course you might be lost if you're watching
every episode as well, and so Ihave a couple little pit stops
I want to make throughout thiswhere there's some interesting
deaths that happened in theworld of David Lynch.
So the first one I want to goover is this up and coming actor
(51:12):
named Rodney Harvey, and so heplayed a guy named Scotty in the
pilot of Twin Peaks.
Why don't we watch that clip?
Okay, and you'll see his look.
He's like the quintessentialmale model of the early 1990s,
(51:34):
like the James Dean, scotty,mutt and Jeff just crawled in.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Oh, what a wonderful world.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
So after that Rodney Harvey really didn't get many
roles for some reason and hebecame addicted to heroin Oof,
and so he had a really rough goof it, and in the movie or the
documentary Kid 90 by SoleilMoonfry from Punky Brewster,
(52:10):
we've talked about her quite abit.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Actually.
She's got a Clinton-esque bodycount of dead bodies around her.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Well, let's leave Punky Brewster alone.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
She really does though.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Well yeah, why do you think she had to get adopted?
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Killing everyone at her old school yeah.
Namely Jonathan Brandes, ifyou'll recall from our episode,
is one of those people that shewas around.
She didn't cause it, no, didn'thelp it too much either.
Death adjacent yes.
And so here's her talking aboutRodney Harvey.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Some of my friends really needed to be heard and to
have a friend listen.
Speaker 6 (52:58):
And they end up committing suicide, and I didn't
see it back then.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
One.
Hello, sulaim, it's Rodney,where are you?
Well, give me a call if youwant, but I just wanted to say
hi, all right, bye.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Man, the old days of the answering machine.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, everyone left her a voice message in the 90s.
Yeah, no one had their phoneson them and she just saved them
all collecting them for hervanity project.
Come on, all right.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
I'm not going to let this punky Brewster revisionist
history on this orphan.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
So Rodney Harvey, even though he looked the part
of the Manet idol career, didn'tgo anywhere and he died of a
heroin overdose in 1998.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
And his.
I guess photos of him were usedin an anti-drug commercial as
in like, don't be like this,yeah this is your face on drugs
or something.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
I mean, he's very handsome, so that's sad.
Alejandro.
So that's sad.
So that's sad onward, so that'ssad Out of all that.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
So that's sad it is.
That's sad Onward.
What else is it?
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Anyway, so that's sad .
Yeah, well, I'm not Yada yadayada Rodney.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Harvey dead.
I'm not licking my chopsthinking about it like Funky
Brewster.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
It's not acceptable.
Slander.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
So he was in the pilot which in Europe was
released as a standalone movie,by the way.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
And then the series hits the ground running.
The second episode aired as aregular one hour drama, like
Columbo in the Thursday 9 pmslot, and it scored ABC's
highest ratings in four yearsWhoa.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
That's cool.
It's so funny that this wassuch a huge hit.
I know.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It's bizarre, it's incredible, yeah, that there was
a time that this was the numberone show.
Yeah, and this was also thewater cooler effect.
Remember that, yes, wherepeople would go to work, stand
around the water cooler and belike did you see the log lady
last night?
What was she talking about.
(55:28):
So yeah, needless to say,cultural phenomenon.
The girls from Twin Peaks wereon the cover of Rolling Stone.
The Simpsons parodied it.
You know you've arrived whenyou got Bart Simpson joking
about you.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
Similar hairstyles actually.
Yeah, bart.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Simpson looks like Jack Nance from Eraserhead.
Yeah, a little bit.
Wow, we're seeing someinfluence there.
In its first season, twin Peaksreceived 14 Emmy nominations
Damn.
And it won the Golden Globe forBest TV Series Drama.
So what happened with seasontwo?
Why did this show not last aslong as LA Law, right or Columbo
(56:11):
?
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Law and Order.
Yeah, in the heat of the night,law and Order special butthole
edition that was continuing togo on.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Well, that's because Laura Palmer's murder was solved
midway through season two andafterwards ratings started to
decline, because that's what theentire show was about who
killed Laura Palmer.
Yeah, when it's solved it'slike okay let's see what's on
Columbo.
Speaker 6 (56:37):
It's like juror number two telling you the twist
15 minutes into the movie.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
And then it just never changes.
Speaker 6 (56:43):
We could have stopped watching at that point,
literally once you hear that,just turn it off, damn.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
And I hate to say it, but I sort of agree with, you
know, it not being as good afterthe mystery is solved.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
It was sort of aimless.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Some people blame star Lara Flynn Boyle.
Why?
Because she was dating KyleMcLaughlin at the time and on
the show Kyle McLaughlin'scharacter, agent Dale Cooper,
was supposed to have arelationship with Sherilyn
Fenn's character, and Lara FlynnBoyle put the kibosh on that.
She was jealous, and so thenthey had to quickly write
(57:21):
something else, and so they saidthe content suffered because of
that.
Wow, and she even took itfurther, because after the show
was canceled, unfortunatelyafter season two, she refused to
appear in the movie, the TwinPeaks movie, what's?
wrong with her so they had toreplace her.
Speaker 5 (57:42):
I hate to say this, but that girl needs to eat
something.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
She's angry.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
I think she's grumpy.
She just needs to have a bigold steak and just go be a part
of it.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, and then she refused to appear in even the
new Twin Peaks, which we'll talkabout later on.
So she's got some bug up herass about this and David Lynch
is going to find it and put iton a canvas.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
It walks free if it's alive, but if it's dead it's
mine.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I call this Laura Flynn Boyle's bug ass.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
Oh beautiful piece of art, wow, wow, gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Very understated it's not all her fault.
Abc also changed the time slota few times you can't do that
you can't, it just never worksnot back then.
Speaker 6 (58:29):
Like you said, it was appointment television.
If you change the appointment,people are gonna get pissed yeah
, they really are.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
And there's this great cliffhanger at the end of
season two that nobody caredabout.
Oh so they tried to like.
Speaker 6 (58:39):
They're like our one cliffhanger at the end of season
two that nobody cared about.
Oh so they tried to like.
They're like our onecliffhanger is already
completely solved.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Let's give you another one, oh, and it's a
major one too yeah, when you seeit, and people were just left
with that.
Of course, we did get a seasonthree on a different network
many, many years later.
Yes, so anyway.
The original show went onindefinite hiatus and then it
was unceremoniously canceled,but david lynch got the funding
(59:07):
to do a prequel movie.
So this is another thing wherehe was ahead of the curve when
it comes to these ideas, likepeople weren't doing prequels
back then Everything was linear,for sure.
Yeah, so to make a major moviebased on Twin Peaks and have it
take place before the serieseven started, well before Laura
(59:29):
Palmer's murder was solved?
Yeah, because it stars LauraPalmer when she was alive, right
.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
Yeah, doesn't it tell you how she got murdered?
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Exactly yeah.
So that was a new conceptreleased in 1992.
Speaker 5 (59:40):
That is very interesting.
Did he ever talk about thatdecision to release that, to
give that information midwaythrough season two?
Did he ever discuss?
Because I just strategically itdoesn't seem like the smartest
thing to do not following theusual linear narratives and
(01:00:04):
doing what it wants to do.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It was solved, naturally, when they felt it
should be solved.
So, aside from that, obviouslyit wasn't the smartest marketing
move, right, right, but yeah.
So Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Mewas released in 1992, but it
was a commercial and criticalfailure.
Ooh, people weren't into it forsome reason.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that they had already sort of
seen it.
And I think you're right, theidea of a prequel was probably
strange for people to understand.
They'd be like, so this isbefore everything happened.
Yeah, you know, and nowadaysobviously it's so common the
multiverse, all this other stuffbut back then that was really
unique.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's also not an easy movie to sit through.
There's a lot of dark materialand it doesn't have as light a
touch as the series has.
And there's also a problem withthe kids.
Like the high schoolers, theyaged a lot between 1989, 1990,
and the making of the movie, soit looks like they're adults.
Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
It's just like Jesse Plemons, too, when they did the
El Camino Breaking Bad movie,and it's supposed to be in the
middle of everything, but yethe's gained like 40 pounds.
Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Whoa, leave the Plymouth alone.
Jesse's a great guy.
He's your pool buddy Amazingactor.
Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
but when things go like that and something's not
exactly the way it should be,people notice.
Well, I think he's too skinny.
Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
now, every time I see him I'm like buddy, you're
looking like Lara Flynn Boyle.
Hey.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, like Lara Flynn Boyle.
Yeah, he aged like 20 years inEl Camino, you know.
Besides that it was good andhis performance, of course.
Anyway, Absolutely.
I'm trying to save you, so thatyou he's being a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
I'm not being an obesitist.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yeah you are.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
You're a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
No, I'm saying that.
Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
They already call him Fat Damon.
You are, You're a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:59):
No, I'm saying that they already call him Fat Damon
you asshole.
Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, see, I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
You're an asshole.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And it's not his fault.
I blame Vince Gilligan.
He should have known not to dothat and they have services.
Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
You know what you eat on those sets?
A bunch of donuts.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
Yeah, when things aren't exactly the same, people
notice.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
They should have used the anti-aging technology from
the Irishman.
Please, god, stop using that.
And maybe they had an anti-fatdevice too.
Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
No one is being fooled.
Being like, I think, HarrisonFord's only 43.
No, you're allowed to be old.
Get new people.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Robert De Niro is supposed to be 20 years old
lifting things off the truck andhe's like.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
I can't do it anymore with robert de niro all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
So this brings us to our second little detour with an
actor named frank silva, and heplayed evil spirit bob in the
twin peaks series.
So yeah, he is the.
When the bad guys look in themirror, they see Bob.
Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
I love that.
Oh, it's so good Creepy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So in this clip David Lynch talks about the origins
of the character and how thatcame to be.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Frank Silva was the set decorator and we were
shooting in Laura Palmer'sbedroom and Frank was moving
furniture around and somebodysaid a woman said Frank, don't
lock yourself in that room,because he had just moved a
chest of drawers in front of thedoor, of drawers in front of
(01:03:41):
the door.
And I wasn't even looking inthat direction but the image of
Frank locked in that room poppedinto my head and I rushed to
Frank and I said Frank, are youan actor?
And he said why?
I happened to?
Yes, it happened to be.
And I said you're going to be inthis movie.
And he said fantastic.
And so I had Frank hide on onepan, shot across Laura Palmer's
bedroom, freeze down by the barsof the bed and just be looking
(01:04:05):
right at the camera.
And we shot that and I didn'tknow what I was going to use it
for, no idea at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
And so later on he's filming Laura Palmer's mom
reacting to something, likeshe's screaming because she's
feeling some kind of evil spirit.
And when they're watching thefootage, David Lynch realizes
that they accidentally shot theset decorator, Frank Silva, in
the mirror.
You can see his head in themirror behind her and that was
(01:04:34):
an accident.
Wow.
And then David Lynch thoughtabout and he's like nope, that's
not an accident, we're going touse that other shot now.
That's what she's looking at.
And then David Lynch thoughtabout it and he's like nope,
that's not an accident, we'regoing to use that other shot now
.
That's what she's looking at.
And there's Bob.
Wow, that's fantastic.
Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
So that's what we call a happy accident.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Exactly, and so this is that scene in Twin Peaks.
I miss her so much.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I miss her so much.
I miss her so much.
Laura, oh Laura, my baby.
Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Oh, laura, my baby love it.
Yeah, and he is strikinglooking.
He's got this tan skin, longgray hair, this icy stare.
It really is nightmare fuelAbsolutely.
So he was also in the movie andobviously throughout the series
and this is a big deal for him.
It changed his life Absolutelyhuge.
(01:05:40):
The movie and obviouslythroughout the series, and this
is a big deal for him.
It changed his life absolutelyhuge, and so here's a clip of
him in an interview talkingabout the recent success actor
frank silva, known as bob topeak freak, says he is already
celebrated in his hometown,according to his mom people
would like come up to her and go.
Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Oh yeah, I hear your son, uh, is on this tv series
and she goes.
Oh yeah, he.
I hear your son is on this TVseries and she goes.
Oh yeah, he's the killer and hejust killed somebody the other
day.
She's really proud.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Proud too is David Lynch, who did indeed stop
shooting to celebrate thebirthdays of his two primetime
spirits and the fact that theshow is back on primetime
Thursday night come the end ofMarch.
Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
We know how that ended and, unfortunately, frank
Silva did not have a good endingeither, oh no.
What happened to him?
Well, he loved the Twin Peaksfandom and the fandom was huge.
There was a magazine that waspublished at the time called
Wrapped in Plastic Jeez, and itwas widely distributed.
(01:06:41):
All about the world of twinpeaks, wow.
And there were fan conventions.
That's great, just for twinpeaks, just for twin peaks.
Yeah, comic cons weren't aroundyet, no, so again, this is
another new idea, wow.
And so, yeah, he would go toall of them, sit on the panel
and, you know, loved beinginvolved, yeah.
And then he eventually justfell off the map and his roles
(01:07:08):
dried up, like his work dried up, and he was also suffering from
HIV.
Oh, that sucks.
And that started to take a toll.
And a couple years later, later, he, just he was borderline
homeless, damn.
And then hiv progressed intofull-blown aids and he went to
(01:07:29):
live with his mom which it'svery sad when you hear that clip
that she was so proud of himyeah yeah, and he died at her
house in 1995 oh god
Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
yeah it's so battle yeah, it's a frustrating thing,
especially right at that time.
They're like almost to thepoint where they could live with
it like we've.
We figured it out that hiv isnot as scary of a thing as you
know we grew up with.
It was like death sentence.
Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
and we all know how do it you have to own a bunch of
car washes.
Yeah, that's what Magic Johnsondid and it worked.
That's the secret sauce.
Yeah, my brother-in-law, mybro's husband.
He lost so many people to AIDSand HIV.
So that is just very sad,devastating.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, and that brings us to our next chapter, called
Find Out Next Week.
Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Oh, Whoa, it's a cliffhanger.
Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Hey, we haven't solved the mystery yet, so
people will be back next week.
Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
We haven't solved the mystery Just getting through
Twin Peaks David Lynch what astory.
Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, there's still a lot more to go over which you
will not want to miss.
There's a lot of great clipscoming up.
Is there a?
Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
highway that might be lost.
Oh yeah, oh nice.
Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Nice, you're going to want to find that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
And there's a certain man who was accused of
murdering his wife from thatmovie oh, it was also a previous
episode.
Oh, it rhymes with cake.
Ooh, blobbert cake, blobbertcake.
Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Oh, who could that be ?
Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Okay, so anything else before we bid adieu until
next week, guys.
Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Not much.
Go to patreoncom slash diebud.
Okay, bud, monday throughThursday you can watch that live
on the Patreon.
Super, super excited to bejoining forces with you boys.
Yeah, let's see.
If you want to email OK Bud,you could.
Also, if you want to talk aboutsomething that we're talking
about here on Die, go tookbudpod at gmailcom.
(01:09:37):
Yes, currently we are acceptingrecipes and pictures of dogs
and cats.
And now, anything you want tosay about David Lynch, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think that's about it, shannon.
Luckily she just posted in thechat here that she had a family
member diagnosed with HIV in 94,and he's still alive.
Woo, wow, thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Yes, awesome, yes, indeed All right.
And to everyone struggling withanything out there hang in
there, yep, and we'll try to getthrough this together.
Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Yep and until next week.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Don't go dying on us.
Bye-bye, hail yourselves Bye.
Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Yeah, thank you.
Fade.
In Exterior highway Night.
We see a narrow stretch of roadas it unfurls into the darkness
ahead.
The center lines areilluminated by a pair of
off-screen headlights.
As we pass by, they blur into ariver of yellow paint.
The only sound is theunsettling hum of the wind.
(00:23):
The road goes on and on atrapidly increasing speed until
it abruptly morphs into apodcast studio with black
curtains when three men arerecording an episode on the life
of David Lynch.
In fact, it's the same episodeyou're listening to right now.
(00:45):
Enter the man from anotherplace.
He snaps his fingers as hestrolls over to the microphone
and says Welcome to DeathineEntertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Please extinguish your cigarette, pour a cup of
hot coffee and cut a big sliceof cherry pie.
The show is about to begin.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Live from Los Angeles 911,.
What is your emergency here inHollywood now?
Two counts of murder, injuryand death.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Oh my God, shocking new details.
That has stunned theentertainment world.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms,justocking new details that has
stunned the entertainment world.
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my armsJust like in the movies.
What do you call this thinganyway?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Death In entertainment.
Greetings Ditto Universe.
Hi, how are you?
Hope your Super Bowl Sunday wasgood and you didn't lose too
much money.
What's going on?
Everybody?
My name's Kyle Plouffe.
I'm Alejandro.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
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the Die Podcast have joinedforces $10 a month.
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Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's like a super group.
Yeah, five shows a week.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yes, indeed, we're the traveling Wilburys, but
instead of Wilburys it wasDingleberries.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Hey, hello, won'tberries.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Okay, and speaking of Dingleberries, david Lynch was
not one.
Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Very good Today we're discussing David Lynch.
Oh one, yes, very good.
Today we're discussing DavidLynch.
Oh my God.
The life, the death, theunbelievable man that was.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yes, unbelievable career.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yes, well, life, death, everything.
We have to warn you, guys, ifthis is the first time you're
listening to us, we are a truecrime comedy podcast, so we will
be laughing about dark subjectsat rate and don't take it
personal.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, and david lynch , I think, would appreciate that
.
I think he would.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
We got a few chuckles in he had a great sense of
humor.
I watched a youtube clip of himwatching ace ventura, aka jim
carrey, getting birthed out ofthe hippo's asshole or the
rhinoceros rhinoceros asshole,and he watches the whole clip
and he's like fantastic, he wasthe best you know what's crazy
is?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I bought the novelization of that movie when
I was a kid from the book itorder and when that scene, when
I got to that scene in the book,he came out of his mouth
instead of the butt what?
And I was so pissed off.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
There's a novelization of Ace Ventura, Pet
Detective 2.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, when nature calls.
Oh, I have it.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
That's incredible.
Yeah, that's actuallyincredible.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Wow, I had no idea.
See, we're learning here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But it was censored so it was bullshit.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yes, wow, we are here to laugh, we, let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And this podcast is not censored, so buckle up as we
fade in to the life of DavidLynch, thank you.
(04:21):
So David Lynch was born inMissoula, montana, beautiful
state Not too populated.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Definitely not.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
His dad was a forestry research scientist for
the Department of Agriculture.
His name was Donald, like theduck.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Like the Sutherland.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, and his mom, edwina, was nicknamed Sunny, as
in the sunshine Not, you know,sunny from Godfather.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I was thinking Sunny from the WWE, who was currently
incarcerated for killing someonewhile driving drunk.
Yes, miss Sitch.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Definitely not that one.
So Sonny was an English tutorand David had two younger
siblings, eventually named Johnand Martha.
So this family moved around alot.
After Montana they moved toSandpoint, Idaho, another rural
area, and one of David Lynch'sfondest memories when he was
(05:32):
little was sitting around withhis buddy Dickie Smith.
Oh, good old Dickie Smith.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
We all had a Dickie Smith in our life.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And they would sit in a mud hole that his mom dug out
for them.
On hot days, you better not besitting out in that mud hole
with Dickie Smith.
No, she wanted them to sitthere.
She dug it, yeah.
And then she would.
Not only did she dig it, butshe also dug it.
Dig it as in liked it, yeah.
And she brought them a hose andwould fill it like it's a
(06:00):
swimming pool.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, and David Lynch would just sit there and play
with the mud and the clay, andthis is what started his
obsession with textures.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Interesting, yeah, very tactile learning.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Mm-hmm.
And then they moved toWashington State in the Pacific
Northwest, and this might comeup with one of his most famous
creations later this area.
So his mom was wise to histalent that he was a little
different.
So she banned coloring booksbecause they were too
(06:37):
restrictive.
Oh, Interesting you got tocolor in the lines, yeah, and
why have lines at all?
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Well, that's kind of forming the image.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, she took it even further.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Kind of makes it so you know you're painting an
elephant or something Right, asopposed to the blank page.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But yeah, I get it If he was just weird from day one.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
She sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, and he's like drawing pictures of like
elephant testicles and devilCreative kid yeah, so there's a
flip side to this, also becausehe went on to hate studying in
school.
School just wasn't for him.
He didn't like being in thatbox.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I could imagine.
He's such a creative, obviouslyvery intelligent and just all
the monotony of the US educationsystem.
He was probably bored off hisass, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Could you imagine David Lynch sitting quietly in
US history class?
Not at all, I don't think so,no way.
So one of his schoolmates toldhim that his dad was a painter
for a living.
Like that's how he got thebread for his family.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And this blew David's mind because he's like, wow, I
want to do that.
Yeah, and in his free time hewould draw pictures of machine
guns, rifles, pistols.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You see a theme here yeah, sounds like the kurt
cobain journal that theyreleased after he died, which I
thought was extremelydistasteful.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then he started painting a lot and one day a
moth flew onto his canvas and itgot stuck there and instead of
trying to take it off, he leftit there and said this is
brilliant, this is my mothpainting.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Well, Mrs Lynch, he's either going to be a serial
killer or a very successfulHollywood director.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, that's interesting, because throughout
his life he actually was verykind to every bug.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like if you saw an ant in the house, you'd have to
pick it up and take it outside.
What?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
about his uncle?
What do you mean?
If he saw an ant inside hishouse, he'd take it outside.
Oh, outside.
What about his uncle?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
What do you mean If he?
Speaker 6 (08:46):
saw an ant inside his house, he'd take it outside.
Oh wow, what about an uncle?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Jokes that hit you on the way home.
That's a good one, that's areal thinker, that was a good
one.
But he didn't mind dead bugs ifthey were already dead, okay,
he collected those and he wouldpaste them onto paper only
natural causes right well, yeah,that would be demented to go
(09:13):
out and kill your subjects,wouldn't it?
I suppose so and again it wasall about texture for him.
That's why he loved bugs.
So there was an incident whenhe was young that I think
informed the rest of his life,although he credits his creative
boom to a later stage.
But you got to listen to thisstory from his childhood and
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this is taken from thedocumentary the Art Life oh cool
.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Out of the darkness comes this kind of like a
strangest dream, Because I'dnever seen an adult woman naked
and she had beautiful pale whiteskin and she was completely
naked and I think her mouth wasbloodied.
And she kind of came strangelywalking strangely across
(10:15):
Shoshone and came into ParkCircle Drive and it seemed like
she was sort of like a giant.
And she came closer and closerand my brother started to cry.
Something was bad wrong withher and I don't know what
(10:39):
happened, but I think she satdown on a curb crying.
But it was very mysterious,Like we were seeing something
otherworldly, and I wanted to dosomething for her.
But I was little, I didn't knowwhat to do and I don't remember
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any more than that.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Good Lord.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Sounds like the mom from Peter Jackson's Dead Alive.
Very careful, that's a zombie,my friend.
I kick ass for the Lord Whoa.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yeah, so that Wait.
So did that really happen orthat was a dream?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
No, that happened, oh my God, a naked ass.
That's a horrible way to seeyour first naked woman, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it should be on real sex HBO in your basement
with your friends giggling.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Don't even get me going, man.
I can't tell you how many timesI tried to jerk off to taxi cab
conventions.
Yeah, you know, you're justjerking off to an Italian who
drives a cab Horrible, there wasnever nudity on that one.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
No, it was just the stories, man.
Well, there was never nudity onthat one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, it was just the stories, man.
Well, and there weren't thatmany hot people.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
No On Real Sex.
There was not one hot personever.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Like some gnarly looking dude, like I'm going to
an orgy.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, I've said this so many times, but the only
episode I remember is the PonyPlay episode from Real Sex.
They aired it all the time.
People had fun.
Oh yeah, like fun, fun likehorses.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I don't understand yeah no one needs to be exposed
to that.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Let's be honest, they were having fun god knows, it
probably made a couple of otherdavid lynch's out there maybe
the birth of the furry movement,too, could be.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So david lynch leaves his hometown, which is a lot of
places.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
He's in.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Washington now, yeah.
And then he goes to the EastCoast, yeah the best coast.
He spent a little time inBoston, went to the museum
school, which he hated.
He didn't like the city, didn'tlike the school.
Oh, come on, I don't think hecares for the East Coast at all.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I love Brooklyn.
I am East Coast, midwest WestCoast.
Probably end up in Texas atsome point.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Who knows?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'm going to crucify this entire country in a cross
shape.
But I could see Lynch justbeing so fed up with Boston
immediately.
I think they're probably meanto him, to be honest.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, it's all the smartest and dumbest people
mashed up, and those stupidpeople completely outnumber the
smart people.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Right.
And then the smart people feellike they're really smart
because they're around suchstupid people yeah.
And then you got David Lynch,who was super smart but probably
doesn't like school, so smartpeople think he's stupid.
And then stupid people thinkhe's a nerd.
Yeah, he was totally screwed,yep.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And he had that distinct voice.
So imagine him standing there,going hi, I'm an artist.
Why don't you, like me, want tosee my bugs Go?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Sox, Yo go Red Sox.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh, I got some bugs in my pubes.
I'm wearing Red Sox, I got somebugs in my pubes.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I'm wearing red socks .
No, it's a baseball team, younerd.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
At one point he was roommates with Peter, who was
part of the Jake Giles band, oh,and then he got stoned for the
first time and went to a BobDylan concert.
The whole group went there,okay, and he hated it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Does he like anything ?
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Oh yeah, Dead bugs and paint.
Yeah, he likes mud.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I don't blame him, though.
When I saw Bob Dylan, it waslike I'm not a huge Bob Dylan
guy.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
My buddy, adam, is a huge Bob Dylan fan, so I got to
show him some love.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, he's a legend.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He's a legend.
I've tried, it just doesn'thook me for some reason, and I
don't know why.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I said to my buddy next to me like oh, when's he
going to play like a RollingStone, really looking forward to
that.
And my buddy goes oh, healready played that.
Yeah, oh, he already playedthat yeah.
So anyway, david Lynch gets inan argument with his roommate
Peter about the concert, andthat ended their partnership.
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He moved out.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Bob Dylan dividing people, a house divided over Bob
Dylan.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Then David Lynch moves to Philadelphia.
Philly's a beautiful town In thelate 1960s and he went to
school there based on advicefrom his close friend, jack Fisk
.
And he met Jack Fisk one day ata general store.
He was trying to buy a soda popfrom him and Jack Fisk got to
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talking to him and then theyrealized they were both artists
and decided to split rent spaceon a studio.
So that started a verylucrative partnership.
Actually, oh nice, actually, ohnice.
(15:51):
So while in, philly lynchmarries his first wife, peggy
lynch, and they have a kid namedjennifer, and they bought a
cheap house in a high crime areathat's where artists live, yeah
, that's where they thrive andhe said the streets were filled
with hate and filth.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
That's where artists live.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, so Philly's like the baby of New York and
Boston, like it has the gridthat New York has, but all the
same like historical cobblestonestreets and the familiar racism
that Boston has as well.
Oh, that's dumb.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, he hated it more than Boston, wow, and he
called it a mean town.
He had a racist neighbor whoreeked of urine and then another
one who went around squawkinglike a chicken.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Oh, philadelphia, it's always sunny.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So, interestingly enough, this got his creative
juices flowing, because he wasscared for his life yeah, this
is truly where creatives becomemore creative.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It was in will, I was .
I lived in williamsburg,brooklyn, for 15 years and you
could see it the wealthier itgot, the less creative it was
yeah when I first moved, therewas a little grungy and you were
like all right, we got someartists here and then, sooner
than later, it was just full ofrich hipster kids and no more
art.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, so remember he grew up with this idyllic
childhood.
Even though the family movedaround a lot, it was happy and
stable.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It seems like he played in mud a lot.
Well, yeah, I don't know ifit's idyllic, it seems like he
played in mud a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well, yeah, I don't know if it's idyllic Well, he
was well taken care of, had anight, his parents didn't beat
him or anything.
He didn't have any stories ofhow he was messed up because of
his childhood.
So this was a contrast inPhiladelphia, like oh wow, this
is this world I didn't knowexisted, right.
And he started catching ideas.
(17:47):
And this is where he said hestarted living the art life, as
he calls it, and the art life issimply doing what you want and
being creative and being anartist.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Getting used to saltines every night and being a
little broke, but doing whatyou do.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, and that's exactly what he was at.
This time broke, and so all thesounds of the city and the
smell, all the senses, Right itjust.
He immediately startedpicturing all these images in
his head.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The neighbor is a chicken.
Did you guys see the show theGentleman at all?
I don't think so.
It's a show.
It's a brand new hit show.
It's a british comedy, guyrichie involved, and there's a
scene where a guy has to dressas a chicken and it's fucking
hilarious.
Be the chicken, be the chicken.
Anyway, that's what hisneighbor was acting like.
Oh yeah, that's why I bringthat up.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Check out the gentleman if you haven't seen it
will do, and rocky had to chasechickens around in philly.
There we go, part of histraining yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Okay, I'm sure he ran by a lot of people that smelled
like urine.
He was running so fast.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
That's why he's trying to get up the steps to
get away from the piss smell.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean it kind of sounds like North Hollywood a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Oh, spells of Europe, currently Everywhere,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
His first experimental film involved.
It was like a moving paintingwith the sound of wind, and I
have a clip here from aninterview he did with the BBC
where he talks about where hisideas come from.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Or they could be triggered.
They just come to you from theether and if they are in the
memory, if they're stored away,one day for some reason they're
released and it seems like abrand new idea.
Or an idea comes in from theether and as it pops, it may be
colored from something that youknow.
The picture that formssometimes reading a book are
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something that you know.
The picture that formssometimes reading a book are
pictures that you put togetherfrom the past or your
imagination kicks in.
You can't really tell whatforms those pictures.
It's the words on the page andprobably many internal things.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I love him so much.
Yeah, so he's very inspired,yeah, and he started to take
painting very seriously andactually found work printing
engravings and then he made a 16millimeter short called the
Alphabet in 1968.
(20:21):
And that's where he decidesyeah, I'm going to keep doing
this Like they weren'tprofitable, but he was getting
some attention for the shortfilms, right, he's like I got a
future in art.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
This isn't horrible, so I can do this.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
His dad came to visit him and saw some of his work
and then, in an awkward car ride, told him you should never have
kids.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Don't do it to yourself.
And and I'm yeah did he say itlike you're too good to have
kids, don't have them.
Or was he like, son, you're notmentally stable?
Yeah, like what?
The second one?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
that's amazing but of course his wife peggy was
pregnant with jennifer at thetime having this conversation
Too late, a couple months toolate, dan.
Well, his short films garneredenough attention that eventually
he got offered a grant from theAmerican Film Institute Awesome
(21:16):
.
And then he moved to sunny LosAngeles, where all the dreams
come true yeah, in 1971.
And began working at the AFIConservatory.
Very nice.
He describes the first time heexperienced California sunshine.
(21:39):
He said he could feel itpulling the fear out of him.
Hmm, interesting.
And he decided this is home.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So that's cool, that's very cool.
He fell in love with LA I meanobviously LA in 1970.
In 1971 he moved there.
It's a very different city thanit is now it is.
I think, yeah, that's wonderful.
He felt invigorated by thesunshine of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, and he loved it till the end.
He had a house not too far fromus in the Hollywood Hills,
there near the Hollywood Bowl.
Yeah, Very nice.
So this brings us to Eraserheadhis first feature.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So his dad told him not to breed before Eraserhead
even came out.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, he just saw his weird experimental films like
one of them is an.
It's like an amputee, likenursing a wound.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Okay, it's very unsettling sure I mean, you know
, that's the kind of person Iwant as a father.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, so lynch wrote a 21 page script for a feature
length film to be calledEraserhead, about a quiet man
living in a dystopian industrialwasteland.
And they give birth to amonster.
And then he leaves.
Oh no, he gives birth.
(23:03):
After the deformed baby comesto be, the girlfriend splits.
Oh and so he's left to care forthis baby all by himself.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
She's all mad.
She gave birth to it Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and so this was obviously influenced by his own
insecurity about fatherhood.
The setting is this industrialhousecape, which was inspired by
Philadelphia.
Yeah, you can see the profoundinfluence that had on his life
and career, because after thisit just led to his aesthetic
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filmically.
And, of course, jack Nance, whowe did a full episode on,
already starred in Eraserheadand there's that indelible image
on the poster with hisFrankenstein hair, black and
white, wide eyes.
It's great.
It's not a movie for everyone,no, everyone.
(24:10):
But so they filmed it at someabandoned stables, um, and, you
know, in the back of the afiproduction studio, made on a ten
thousand dollar grant, becausethe idea was maybe he'll make
another easy rider, which wascheap and profitable yeah, well,
it wasn't like Easy Rider.
Not at all.
No, not at all.
Weirdly enough, there's an acidtrip scene in Easy Rider, but
(24:31):
the real acid trip is Eraserhead.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
And didn't they really take acid in Easy Rider?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, holy shit .
And to make ends meet, whilemaking this movie, david Lynch
had a paper route and he woulddeliver the Wall Street Journal
to houses in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Imagine that opening your front door and be like
thank you, david, appreciate thepaper, no problem sir.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Hey, david, watch the rose bushes.
So remember Jack Fisk, hisfriend, who he met at the
general store yes well, he wouldend up donating all the money
to finish financing the film.
Oh, and he was married to awoman named sissy spacek oh wow,
(25:21):
of course yeah, david ended updivorcing his wife, peggy,
during the course of theproduction and he began living
at the stables.
So this is really the art liferight here.
He's living on the set.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Could you imagine if they did that on any other movie
?
Yeah, Like the Flintstones Broare you homeless?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, sissy Spacek Carrie right.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.
So this was going as good as hecould have hoped for, because
he's getting to make this movieand he has some epiphanies.
He becomes a vegetarian.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He quits drinking alcohol and he starts to
practice transcendentalmeditation.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
This was very popular in the 70s.
Andy Kaufman did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And this was a few years removed from that famous
trip the Beatles made to theMaharashi and you know they,
yeah, they all dress like JustinTrudeau.
And Paul McCartney studies itto this day and David Lynch
studied it to the end, andthere's more on that later.
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It was one of the biggestthings in his life besides
movies Wow.
So even though he's taking careof himself and he's trying to
better himself, he continues toindulge in his two other
favorite things coffee andcigarettes.
(26:57):
Like all good directors, yeah,he was basically a chimney with
a pompadour haircut and you knowit's hard to say like you could
compare any vice to that, likeeven eating too much.
There's some things when youpair it with writing or
(27:18):
creativity, anything, thecreation of something, it's like
a necessary element for someartists.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I don't know about eating too much.
I can't imagine like a lasagnanext to Stephen King while he
writes the next it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I say that like what?
If you know, I can't writewithout my rigatoni.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You know I need my cheese.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I can't finish this script, gotta have the Taco Bell
app open when I finish thissentence.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Some vices are sexier than others Coffee and
cigarettes for a director.
It's a sexy.
Those are two sexy vices, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I just mean, if you're really trying to, you
know, finish a deadline orwhatever.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Having comorbidities doesn't hurt.
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
You're not being so healthy, whatever your vice is
yeah, wasn't able to finish thescreenplay Jersey.
Mike's was closed.
And you know, I need my hoagie,I'm just ruined.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So they finish.
The movie Eraserhead getsreleased.
A lot of audiences and criticsdidn't really know what to make
of it, yeah, but it ended upbecoming a cult movie, huge
movie, like Pink Flamingos andthe Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So it made the rounds in New York, la and San
Francisco and ends up grossing$7 million.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Nice Off a $10,000 budget, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Whoa.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Not bad at all, jack.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Fisk is wealthy now and, of course, his wife is a
major Hollywood star.
Yes, after Carrie is releasedaround the same time.
So yeah, considered one of themost influential midnight movies
of all time.
You know who was a big fan ofit?
Who?
Mel Brooks.
Oh my God that's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And so did you know I love me some Mel.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Brooks.
He produced the Elephant manMel Brooks.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, I did not know that?
Speaker 6 (29:07):
That he did that.
I had no idea until this weekthat this is a Lynch movie.
Oh that he did that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I had no idea until this week that this is a Lynch
movie.
Oh yeah.
So after seeing Eraserhead hemeets with Lynch and he says
you're a madman, I love you, andhires him to direct it.
And imagine at one point duringproduction his dad said that
thing about, not that heshouldn't be a parent himself.
That he shouldn't be a parenthimself.
(29:34):
Well, when his dad and hisbrother visited him in Los
Angeles during the making ofEraserhead, they actually had a
talk with him and said that heshould quit filmmaking
altogether and get a real job.
I don't know if this father issupportive.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, not really.
Don't have kids and father issupportive yeah, not really.
Don't have kids and go to workyeah, as an adult Work at a
factory.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, david Lynch, for crying out loud.
I don't want David Lynch doinganything other than what David
Lynch does.
Yeah, can you imagine if heworked at Target?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
What a horrible employee he would be so, and
they weren't just asking him toquit, you know, filmmaking.
They were begging him, theywere very worried.
So imagine that.
And then being broke the entiretime, not knowing where this is
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all going to lead to.
Just a few years later, in 1980, he directs the elephant man
with anthony hopkins and he getsan oscar nomination for best
director wow and it's nominatedfor best picture.
This is just a few years aftermaking his weird midnight film.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, as I mentioned, peter Jackson's Dead
Alive.
He went from that to Lord ofthe Frickin' Rings.
It's so crazy.
So Hollywood is bizarre, andthey saw a lot of talent in
David Lynch.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
They literally are killing people with a lawnmower,
yeah, and then he's like oh youknow, I'll do King Kong.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
One of the most epic trilogies of all time Nuts.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So Lynch is on the map.
He's one of the hottest newdirectors in hollywood.
George lucas asked to have ameeting with him.
Wow, and so he.
He says I think you shoulddirect return of the jedi oh my
god, that would have beenawesome and lynch says no, thank
you.
(31:31):
Oh my God, that would have beenawesome and Lynch says no,
thank you.
What a nutsack on that guy, Canyou imagine turning down Return
of the Jedi God?
it would have been a differentmovie.
Oh, absolutely Like.
How do you make Jabba the Hutteven weirder?
Oh my.
God, that scene would havegotten a lot sexier and, let's
be honest, princess leiaprobably would have lost the top
(31:53):
to the bikini.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
yeah, oh yeah, had blood blood drooling out of her
mouth.
You remind me of a woman I sawon the street when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and yoda's talking backwards.
Yeah, like try.
I was like I don't know whatyou're talking about, because
I've never seen a david lynch.
I was like I don't know whatyou're talking about because
I've never seen a David Lynch.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I saw you raise your head in high school.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Talking backwards is a trope.
Oh yes, and so David Lynchsmartly turns down Return of the
Jedi because he just doesn'tthink he's right for it.
Wow, Although of course, ourversion of it sounded pretty
good.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I think you would do great, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So he chooses Dune instead, based on the novel by
Frank Herbert, of course thesedays everyone knows it as the
Timothy Chalamet vehicle.
Yes, I interviewed Brian Herbert, his son, and a lot interesting
relationship with he and hisfather, Fairly good yeah, but it
was a box office and criticalfailure at the time and Lynch
(32:51):
considers this movie the onlyreal failure of his career.
He absolutely hated it.
This is similar to how StanleyKubrick hated Spartacus, and it
was only after Spartacus andleaving the Hollywood system
that he was able to do his realwork, his personal films, right
that?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
he was able to do his real work, his personal films,
Right.
It's like when Willie Nelsonleft Nashville for Austin.
He finally got with the Outlawsand became the Willie we know
and love today.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, it's exactly like that, and when asked about
a director's cut for Dune in2024, he said it would be
impossible because producer DinoDe Laurentiis never allowed him
to shoot anything the way hewanted to.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I was under the impression hedidn't really even get to direct
Dune.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, he was a hired hand, right Quote.
I started selling out even inthe script phase, knowing I
didn't have final cut, and Isold out.
So it was a slow dying, thedeath and a terrible, terrible
experience.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
oh man it's like toby hooper and steven spielberg.
Mm-hmm, spielberg reallydirected it, true?
Which one?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
uh, poltergeist, oh yeah spielberg will come up in
this episode again.
He's got his fingers ineverything okay, um, leave my
daughter alone, leave et alone,yeah.
So there was a positive thing,though, for dune it was the
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theatrical movie debut of kylemclaughlin, and he would become
a frequent collaborator of lynchAbsolutely, that's a fine cup
of coffee.
And they got right to work withthe next movie, Blue Velvet,
released in 1986.
And Blue Velvet, this is nowDavid Lynch.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Unleashed.
Yeah, this might be my favoriteLynch movie.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's debatable.
For sure, I love this movie.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Dennis Hopper is such a fantastic psycho actor and
I'm pretty sure he was alsoreally high in this movie.
I think he was truly huffingsome gasoline.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
What's his line in that?
Like don't fucking look at me.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
And then, of course, they gave PBR a large push as
well.
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Because what's he trashed?
Pabst Blue Ribbon.
What's the one he's trashing,like Heineken or something I
forget.
Yeah, but he's really adamant.
It has to be Pabst Blue Ribbon.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
PBR.
They won a Blue Ribbon in like1834, before people had taste
buds.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So yeah, Blue Velvet, it's like a mystery.
It's about Kyle MacLachlanfinds a severed human ear in a
field and then he goes on toinvestigate and he becomes
intermingled with the world ofthis beautiful nightclub singer.
And Dennis Hopper, who's apsycho Perfect.
(35:50):
And there's Roy Orbison music.
You got Bobby Vinton, the titlesong.
It's great because it's kitsch,it's Americana.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yep, absolutely.
I think Dennis Hopper'scharacter and the character from
no Country for Old Men, twogreatest psychopaths of all time
Different styles.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They got to make a movie like Different styles.
They gotta make a movie likeFreddy vs Jason.
They really do.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Man, I've been re-watching Celebrity Deathmatch
because it's on Paramount andif they could make that, if they
could have them fight it out,that'd be fantastic, that'd be
sick.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
So Isabella Rossellini plays that nightclub
singer and her character wasinspired by Judy Garland oh
which, that nightclub singer,and her character was inspired
by judy garland oh which, ifyou'll recall, she starred in
the wizard of oz and this isdavid lynch's favorite movie
hands down.
Wow, it was that and it's awonderful life.
But the wizard of oz, okay,there's actually a documentary I
(36:48):
watched called lynch oz andwell, that sounds uh
questionable oh, it was actuallyvery given the history of the
nation very fair.
Oh god, yeah, if you don't knowthe context, yeah there were
some things that happened lynchslash oz.
Yeah, so the wizard of o Ozpretty much made it into all of
(37:12):
his movies post Blue Velvet.
You see so many homages andsimilarities and just flat out
references.
So it's basically he loved theidea of, you know, turning
normality on its head Like shegoes from Kansas to Oz, right.
(37:33):
Even the artifice of some ofthe characters, like some of the
close-ups in the Wizard of Ozwhere you can see the makeup,
like he loved that like kind ofjuxtaposing reality.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And we do pretend.
Wizard of Oz is like alighthearted movie, but it's a
horror film.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Oh, absolutely, and it's got everything.
Really.
It's got so many genres in itit's comedy, it's musical, it's
horror.
Yeah, it's so, and yeah, soanyway, that was a big influence
.
Rory Orbison originallyrejected Lynch's request to use
the song In Dreams in thebrothel scene, but then Lynch
(38:15):
found a loophole and used itanyway.
But Orbison loved the movie soended up doing a music video for
it.
So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Love it Turned him down, he did it anyway.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, that's pretty much the story of David Lynch's
career.
Yeah, because a lot of peoplewill see the script like what
the hell is this?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Was there a specific reason he didn't want it
associated with, likeprostitution or?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
what?
Well, it's a very violent movie.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, rory Orbison wasn't known as like aggressive.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
No, he looks like my Aunt Janet.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, he really does Well.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So Blue Velvet is considered one of the best films
of the 1980s and he got hissecond Oscar nomination for Best
Director.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Now, to be fair, the number one movie of the 1980s
was Chopping Mole, chopping Mole.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, that's a classic.
It's a classic.
You ever see it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, I don't remember it that well it's
robots that shoot lasers.
They don't even chop people.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I can picture the VHS cover.
Yep, that's all you got to do.
And then his next movie wasWild at Heart, released in 1990.
And this really is the firsttrue David Lynch movie, in my
opinion, because he was able todo Blue Velvet after you know
Dune, and work out of the studiosystem.
(39:35):
But this is the first time thatnow everyone knows what he's
capable of, so he gets to doabsolutely anything he wants and
people are going to be on boardfor it.
So I mean, this is a weird,beautiful, exhilarating movie
and just like the Wizard of Oz,it's hilarious and it's
horrifying.
(39:55):
It's an early role from NicolasCage, and Laura Dern had also
been in Blue Velvet.
She's his lover in this.
I think Natural Born Killersowes a lot to it.
Oh, wow.
And yeah, it's like a noir roadtrip movie.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yeah, and Laura Dern, her mom, was actually the mom
in the movie.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah, help me out here.
What's her name?
Diane Ladd.
Yeah, and she got nominated foran Oscar for this movie and she
plays essentially the WickedWitch character, and Wild at
Heart is his most overtly Wizardof Oz referencing movie,
because literally, glinda theGood Witch shows up in a bubble.
(40:42):
There's so many referencesthroughout the entire movie.
Gotcha.
And, in fact, let's watch alittle clip from it.
This is Jack Nance, who starredin Eraserhead, and you'll see
one of these not-so-subtlereferences.
Yeah, oh yeah, I remember thisnow.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
My dog barks some.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Just staring at him.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Mentally you picture my dog, but I have not told you
the type dog which I have.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Perhaps you might even picture Toto from the
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But I can tell you my dog is always with me.
A nice little shot here at theend a bunch of plus-sized women
(42:07):
yes, dancing, big and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yes, yeah, wow, I love that totally normal human
interaction yeah, and hearingthat clip you might think, hey,
what's the context?
Well, you're thinking that whenyou're watching the movie as
well doesn't need to beexplained.
There's so many vignettes thatjust work out of context in
david lynch's movies.
So, and I actually think thatclip is a great representation
(42:32):
of why David Lynch is a genius.
It just has everything in itthat you love, david Lynch for
the music, the mood, the senseof humor, the darkness.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
You can't look away.
No, it's compelling.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It varies the way people speak.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Also, it's interesting that he seems to now
have a pretty good collectiveof actors, oh yeah, that he
continues to kind of fall backon.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Exactly, jack Nance shows up all the time, obviously
Laura Dern and a lot of TwinPeaks crossover in Wild at Heart
, because that same year is whenTwin Peaks, the TV show,
premiered.
The TV show premiered, so itstarted when he developed a
(43:16):
friendship with writer MarkFrost after their Marilyn Monroe
project fell apart, which wouldhave been pretty cool if they
made that they were going to doa biopic.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Yeah, they were.
Wow, marilyn Monroe brought toyou by David Lynch.
Mm-hmm, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Because the thing is he sort of gave you that anyway
in a lot of his movies.
Because we talked about theAmericana, the settings.
Well, he also loved the pinupgirls of the 1950s, right, and
the, you know, like the JamesDeans, the Greasers, so that
shows up all the time up untilyou know Mulholland Drive.
(43:51):
Even so, in some ways ways Ifeel like you kind of saw that
already you can certainlypicture what it might have been
right.
So his agent encouraged him todo a tv show which you guys
remember tv even back in the 90s.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It was not prestige, it was not no, no, if you were a
television actor, you couldn'tbecome a movie star I've heard
of, and if you were a movie starthat all of a sudden does a tv
show, it's like they're in theirloser era yeah, you get the
stink on you, right, yeah and sodavid lynch had to really think
about this and then said uh,you know okay but I would also
(44:29):
say it was a time of appointmentviewing and when the show hit
like TV shows did become very,very popular.
It had huge followings.
So this isn't he's not doing asitcom.
No, you know this isn't fullhouse Like Twin Peaks, I think,
sort of it elevated television.
Speaker 6 (44:49):
Yeah, god, imagine if Lynch did a sitcom.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
That would be awesome .
It would be the sitcom fromNatural Born Killers, where
Ronnie Dangerfield is having sexwith his daughter.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
That's what would be the sitcom, so I'm good actually
.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He did make a short film about.
There was a parody of a sitcomstarring a family of rabbits,
okay, so that's sort of that Icould watch.
Yeah, that's sort of that, Icould watch.
Yeah, that's what you would get.
They pitched the idea to thenetwork as a police drama meets
soap opera, and it would beabout the mysterious murder of
(45:24):
the girl next door, laura palmer, and this was loosely inspired
by the unsolved murder ofsomeone named hazel.
Irene drew in 1909 ohinteresting and, like blue
velvet twin peaks, explores theunpleasant reality just beneath
the surface in small townamerica I do love the way they
(45:47):
sold it.
It's a police drama but kind oflike a soap opera too, and it's
fucking so much weirder than allof that filled to the brim with
scenes like we just watched inwild at heart yeah and you know
again exploring dreams versusreality, and he mixes monsters
with whimsy and he uses a lot ofdoppelgangers the idea, the,
(46:11):
the duality of man, right Likegood versus evil.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
But he has literal doppelgangers in the show as
well, it was also one of theonly television shows to ever
star an actual log Right.
The log lady.
The log lady, which isabsolutely incredible, and then
the mother and father or thebrother-sister, actually from
People Under the Stairs EverettMcGill, I believe the actor's
(46:37):
name is.
Those people scare the shit outof me to this day.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
She was in it too, wasn't she?
Yes?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
I believe that she was the the red-haired.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, oh wow, that is incredible.
You can keep going.
I'm just fixing it.
Oh, okay, people Under theStairs directed by one of Kyle's
favorite directors, wes Cravenyeah one of my favorite too.
Underrated movie, wouldn't yousay?
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I mean that movie is.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Is it underrated?
I thought everyone knew it wasscary.
Well, I don't think everyone'sseen it.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
Oh, you gotta see it, it holds up, it's man.
Yeah, pornhub wasn't the first.
I don't think everyone's seenit.
Oh, you gotta see it, it holdsup, it's man.
Yeah, pornhub wasn't the firstones to entertain the idea of
brothers and sisters having sexwith each other.
S&m fetish.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Oh my God, yeah that.
And taxicab confessions right.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Good intro in the 90s , yeah, yeah, so yeah, by this
point, when Twin Peaks premieresit.
Let me just restate that.
So now that, so with Twin Peaks, david Lynch's persona is well
(47:55):
defined as a filmmaker, he's anauteur and there's even a word
for it lynchian.
You know, it's all the.
You know it's difficult.
Subject matter shot beautifully, the images are pleasing and
Pauline Kael, the influentialfilm critic, called him the
(48:17):
first populist, surrealistInteresting, which I think makes
populist, surrealistInteresting, which I think makes
a lot of sense, yeah, which iswhy, on one hand, people are
frustrated with his work and, onthe other hand, that
frustration turns to admiration.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Right, For me, always Twin Peaks is comforting
because of the soundtrack.
Oh yeah, the soundtrack is verypeaceful.
The intro almost puts me to bed, but obviously I want to stay
awake for the show.
But I thought that was alwaysinteresting about that program
because again, it is reallyfucked up, yeah, but then the
soundtrack is almost like thewind.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, in fact, there'sliterally wind sounds during
some of the most importantmoments in the series, for
example in the Black Lodge.
Oh, I love it.
We're not going to get into thewhole mythology and plot here.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
I'm sure there's another podcast that covers that
.
You can just do an entire 10years on Twin Peaks alone.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, but the Black Lodge had a black and white
checkered floor with redcurtains and that was where the
evil doppelgangers would hangout and control certain elements
in the real world.
But the music was by composerAngelo Badalamenti, who did all
of Lynch's movies.
Oh okay, Blue Velvet's score isgreat too.
(49:38):
And then also mixing in theoldies, the good old jukebox
oldies Love it.
So the two-hour pilot of TwinPeaks debuted in spring 1990.
And if you can believe it, itwas the highest rated TV movie
for the 1989-90 season.
(50:00):
A two-hour premiere yeah, thatis so huge Love that and you
have to think of howgroundbreaking this was, because
we were just talking about thestate of television.
Then, and here comes this showthat's shot like a movie and it
doesn't have a lot of easy todefine mainstream elements.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
And they don't.
You know.
A lot of the shows were likeColumbo, where it starts and you
know what happens and then hesolves it.
Yeah, that's the end of theepisode.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
They call that episodic television, where you
can just watch one and you'regood, yeah, and that was the
majority of shows Murder.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
She Wrote things like that.
And then he has a murder showwhich I still don't think it's
over.
Right, I know it's done, but Idon't know if it's done.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, it would continue week to week.
Yeah, so if you missed anepisode you might be lost.
Speaker 6 (50:47):
Yeah, there are horses teleporting into people's
living rooms.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, of course you might be lost if you're watching
every episode as well, and so Ihave a couple little pit stops
I want to make throughout thiswhere there's some interesting
deaths that happened in theworld of David Lynch.
So the first one I want to goover is this up and coming actor
(51:12):
named Rodney Harvey, and so heplayed a guy named Scotty in the
pilot of Twin Peaks.
Why don't we watch that clip?
Okay, and you'll see his look.
He's like the quintessentialmale model of the early 1990s,
(51:34):
like the James Dean, scotty,mutt and Jeff just crawled in.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Oh, what a wonderful world.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
So after that Rodney Harvey really didn't get many
roles for some reason and hebecame addicted to heroin Oof,
and so he had a really rough goof it, and in the movie or the
documentary Kid 90 by SoleilMoonfry from Punky Brewster,
(52:10):
we've talked about her quite abit.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Actually.
She's got a Clinton-esque bodycount of dead bodies around her.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Well, let's leave Punky Brewster alone.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
She really does though.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Well yeah, why do you think she had to get adopted?
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Killing everyone at her old school yeah.
Namely Jonathan Brandes, ifyou'll recall from our episode,
is one of those people that shewas around.
She didn't cause it, no, didn'thelp it too much either.
Death adjacent yes.
And so here's her talking aboutRodney Harvey.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
Some of my friends really needed to be heard and to
have a friend listen.
Speaker 6 (52:58):
And they end up committing suicide, and I didn't
see it back then.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
One.
Hello, sulaim, it's Rodney,where are you?
Well, give me a call if youwant, but I just wanted to say
hi, all right, bye.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Man, the old days of the answering machine.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, everyone left her a voice message in the 90s.
Yeah, no one had their phoneson them and she just saved them
all collecting them for hervanity project.
Come on, all right.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
I'm not going to let this punky Brewster revisionist
history on this orphan.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
So Rodney Harvey, even though he looked the part
of the Manet idol career, didn'tgo anywhere and he died of a
heroin overdose in 1998.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
And his.
I guess photos of him were usedin an anti-drug commercial as
in like, don't be like this,yeah this is your face on drugs
or something.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
I mean, he's very handsome, so that's sad.
Alejandro.
So that's sad.
So that's sad onward, so that'ssad Out of all that.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
So that's sad it is.
That's sad Onward.
What else is it?
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Anyway, so that's sad .
Yeah, well, I'm not Yada yadayada Rodney.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Harvey dead.
I'm not licking my chopsthinking about it like Funky
Brewster.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
It's not acceptable.
Slander.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
So he was in the pilot which in Europe was
released as a standalone movie,by the way.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
And then the series hits the ground running.
The second episode aired as aregular one hour drama, like
Columbo in the Thursday 9 pmslot, and it scored ABC's
highest ratings in four yearsWhoa.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
That's cool.
It's so funny that this wassuch a huge hit.
I know.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
It's bizarre, it's incredible, yeah, that there was
a time that this was the numberone show.
Yeah, and this was also thewater cooler effect.
Remember that, yes, wherepeople would go to work, stand
around the water cooler and belike did you see the log lady
last night?
What was she talking about.
(55:28):
So yeah, needless to say,cultural phenomenon.
The girls from Twin Peaks wereon the cover of Rolling Stone.
The Simpsons parodied it.
You know you've arrived whenyou got Bart Simpson joking
about you.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
Similar hairstyles actually.
Yeah, bart.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Simpson looks like Jack Nance from Eraserhead.
Yeah, a little bit.
Wow, we're seeing someinfluence there.
In its first season, twin Peaksreceived 14 Emmy nominations
Damn.
And it won the Golden Globe forBest TV Series Drama.
So what happened with seasontwo?
Why did this show not last aslong as LA Law, right or Columbo
(56:11):
?
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Law and Order.
Yeah, in the heat of the night,law and Order special butthole
edition that was continuing togo on.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Well, that's because Laura Palmer's murder was solved
midway through season two andafterwards ratings started to
decline, because that's what theentire show was about who
killed Laura Palmer.
Yeah, when it's solved it'slike okay let's see what's on
Columbo.
Speaker 6 (56:37):
It's like juror number two telling you the twist
15 minutes into the movie.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
And then it just never changes.
Speaker 6 (56:43):
We could have stopped watching at that point,
literally once you hear that,just turn it off, damn.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
And I hate to say it, but I sort of agree with, you
know, it not being as good afterthe mystery is solved.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
It was sort of aimless.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Some people blame star Lara Flynn Boyle.
Why?
Because she was dating KyleMcLaughlin at the time and on
the show Kyle McLaughlin'scharacter, agent Dale Cooper,
was supposed to have arelationship with Sherilyn
Fenn's character, and Lara FlynnBoyle put the kibosh on that.
She was jealous, and so thenthey had to quickly write
(57:21):
something else, and so they saidthe content suffered because of
that.
Wow, and she even took itfurther, because after the show
was canceled, unfortunatelyafter season two, she refused to
appear in the movie, the TwinPeaks movie, what's?
wrong with her so they had toreplace her.
Speaker 5 (57:42):
I hate to say this, but that girl needs to eat
something.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
She's angry.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
I think she's grumpy.
She just needs to have a bigold steak and just go be a part
of it.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, and then she refused to appear in even the
new Twin Peaks, which we'll talkabout later on.
So she's got some bug up herass about this and David Lynch
is going to find it and put iton a canvas.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
It walks free if it's alive, but if it's dead it's
mine.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
I call this Laura Flynn Boyle's bug ass.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
Oh beautiful piece of art, wow, wow, gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Very understated it's not all her fault.
Abc also changed the time slota few times you can't do that
you can't, it just never worksnot back then.
Speaker 6 (58:29):
Like you said, it was appointment television.
If you change the appointment,people are gonna get pissed yeah
, they really are.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
And there's this great cliffhanger at the end of
season two that nobody caredabout.
Oh so they tried to like.
Speaker 6 (58:39):
They're like our one cliffhanger at the end of season
two that nobody cared about.
Oh so they tried to like.
They're like our onecliffhanger is already
completely solved.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Let's give you another one, oh, and it's a
major one too yeah, when you seeit, and people were just left
with that.
Of course, we did get a seasonthree on a different network
many, many years later.
Yes, so anyway.
The original show went onindefinite hiatus and then it
was unceremoniously canceled,but david lynch got the funding
(59:07):
to do a prequel movie.
So this is another thing wherehe was ahead of the curve when
it comes to these ideas, likepeople weren't doing prequels
back then Everything was linear,for sure.
Yeah, so to make a major moviebased on Twin Peaks and have it
take place before the serieseven started, well before Laura
(59:29):
Palmer's murder was solved?
Yeah, because it stars LauraPalmer when she was alive, right
.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
Yeah, doesn't it tell you how she got murdered?
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Exactly yeah.
So that was a new conceptreleased in 1992.
Speaker 5 (59:40):
That is very interesting.
Did he ever talk about thatdecision to release that, to
give that information midwaythrough season two?
Did he ever discuss?
Because I just strategically itdoesn't seem like the smartest
thing to do not following theusual linear narratives and
(01:00:04):
doing what it wants to do.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It was solved, naturally, when they felt it
should be solved.
So, aside from that, obviouslyit wasn't the smartest marketing
move, right, right, but yeah.
So Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Mewas released in 1992, but it
was a commercial and criticalfailure.
Ooh, people weren't into it forsome reason.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that they had already sort of
seen it.
And I think you're right, theidea of a prequel was probably
strange for people to understand.
They'd be like, so this isbefore everything happened.
Yeah, you know, and nowadaysobviously it's so common the
multiverse, all this other stuffbut back then that was really
unique.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's also not an easy movie to sit through.
There's a lot of dark materialand it doesn't have as light a
touch as the series has.
And there's also a problem withthe kids.
Like the high schoolers, theyaged a lot between 1989, 1990,
and the making of the movie, soit looks like they're adults.
Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
It's just like Jesse Plemons, too, when they did the
El Camino Breaking Bad movie,and it's supposed to be in the
middle of everything, but yethe's gained like 40 pounds.
Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Whoa, leave the Plymouth alone.
Jesse's a great guy.
He's your pool buddy Amazingactor.
Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
but when things go like that and something's not
exactly the way it should be,people notice.
Well, I think he's too skinny.
Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
now, every time I see him I'm like buddy, you're
looking like Lara Flynn Boyle.
Hey.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, like Lara Flynn Boyle.
Yeah, he aged like 20 years inEl Camino, you know.
Besides that it was good andhis performance, of course.
Anyway, Absolutely.
I'm trying to save you, so thatyou he's being a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
I'm not being an obesitist.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yeah you are.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
You're a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
No, I'm saying that.
Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
They already call him Fat Damon.
You are, You're a fattest.
Speaker 6 (01:01:59):
No, I'm saying that they already call him Fat Damon
you asshole.
Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, see, I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
You're an asshole.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And it's not his fault.
I blame Vince Gilligan.
He should have known not to dothat and they have services.
Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
You know what you eat on those sets?
A bunch of donuts.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
Yeah, when things aren't exactly the same, people
notice.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
They should have used the anti-aging technology from
the Irishman.
Please, god, stop using that.
And maybe they had an anti-fatdevice too.
Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
No one is being fooled.
Being like, I think, HarrisonFord's only 43.
No, you're allowed to be old.
Get new people.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Robert De Niro is supposed to be 20 years old
lifting things off the truck andhe's like.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
I can't do it anymore with robert de niro all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
So this brings us to our second little detour with an
actor named frank silva, and heplayed evil spirit bob in the
twin peaks series.
So yeah, he is the.
When the bad guys look in themirror, they see Bob.
Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
I love that.
Oh, it's so good Creepy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So in this clip David Lynch talks about the origins
of the character and how thatcame to be.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Frank Silva was the set decorator and we were
shooting in Laura Palmer'sbedroom and Frank was moving
furniture around and somebodysaid a woman said Frank, don't
lock yourself in that room,because he had just moved a
chest of drawers in front of thedoor, of drawers in front of
(01:03:41):
the door.
And I wasn't even looking inthat direction but the image of
Frank locked in that room poppedinto my head and I rushed to
Frank and I said Frank, are youan actor?
And he said why?
I happened to?
Yes, it happened to be.
And I said you're going to be inthis movie.
And he said fantastic.
And so I had Frank hide on onepan, shot across Laura Palmer's
bedroom, freeze down by the barsof the bed and just be looking
(01:04:05):
right at the camera.
And we shot that and I didn'tknow what I was going to use it
for, no idea at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
And so later on he's filming Laura Palmer's mom
reacting to something, likeshe's screaming because she's
feeling some kind of evil spirit.
And when they're watching thefootage, David Lynch realizes
that they accidentally shot theset decorator, Frank Silva, in
the mirror.
You can see his head in themirror behind her and that was
(01:04:34):
an accident.
Wow.
And then David Lynch thoughtabout and he's like nope, that's
not an accident, we're going touse that other shot now.
That's what she's looking at.
And then David Lynch thoughtabout it and he's like nope,
that's not an accident, we'regoing to use that other shot now
.
That's what she's looking at.
And there's Bob.
Wow, that's fantastic.
Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
So that's what we call a happy accident.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Exactly, and so this is that scene in Twin Peaks.
I miss her so much.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I miss her so much.
I miss her so much.
Laura, oh Laura, my baby.
Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Oh, laura, my baby love it.
Yeah, and he is strikinglooking.
He's got this tan skin, longgray hair, this icy stare.
It really is nightmare fuelAbsolutely.
So he was also in the movie andobviously throughout the series
and this is a big deal for him.
It changed his life Absolutelyhuge.
(01:05:40):
The movie and obviouslythroughout the series, and this
is a big deal for him.
It changed his life absolutelyhuge, and so here's a clip of
him in an interview talkingabout the recent success actor
frank silva, known as bob topeak freak, says he is already
celebrated in his hometown,according to his mom people
would like come up to her and go.
Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Oh yeah, I hear your son, uh, is on this tv series
and she goes.
Oh yeah, he.
I hear your son is on this TVseries and she goes.
Oh yeah, he's the killer and hejust killed somebody the other
day.
She's really proud.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Proud too is David Lynch, who did indeed stop
shooting to celebrate thebirthdays of his two primetime
spirits and the fact that theshow is back on primetime
Thursday night come the end ofMarch.
Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
We know how that ended and, unfortunately, frank
Silva did not have a good endingeither, oh no.
What happened to him?
Well, he loved the Twin Peaksfandom and the fandom was huge.
There was a magazine that waspublished at the time called
Wrapped in Plastic Jeez, and itwas widely distributed.
(01:06:41):
All about the world of twinpeaks, wow.
And there were fan conventions.
That's great, just for twinpeaks, just for twin peaks.
Yeah, comic cons weren't aroundyet, no, so again, this is
another new idea, wow.
And so, yeah, he would go toall of them, sit on the panel
and, you know, loved beinginvolved, yeah.
And then he eventually justfell off the map and his roles
(01:07:08):
dried up, like his work dried up, and he was also suffering from
HIV.
Oh, that sucks.
And that started to take a toll.
And a couple years later, later, he, just he was borderline
homeless, damn.
And then hiv progressed intofull-blown aids and he went to
(01:07:29):
live with his mom which it'svery sad when you hear that clip
that she was so proud of himyeah yeah, and he died at her
house in 1995 oh god
Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
yeah it's so battle yeah, it's a frustrating thing,
especially right at that time.
They're like almost to thepoint where they could live with
it like we've.
We figured it out that hiv isnot as scary of a thing as you
know we grew up with.
It was like death sentence.
Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
and we all know how do it you have to own a bunch of
car washes.
Yeah, that's what Magic Johnsondid and it worked.
That's the secret sauce.
Yeah, my brother-in-law, mybro's husband.
He lost so many people to AIDSand HIV.
So that is just very sad,devastating.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, and that brings us to our next chapter, called
Find Out Next Week.
Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Oh, Whoa, it's a cliffhanger.
Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Hey, we haven't solved the mystery yet, so
people will be back next week.
Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
We haven't solved the mystery Just getting through
Twin Peaks David Lynch what astory.
Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, there's still a lot more to go over which you
will not want to miss.
There's a lot of great clipscoming up.
Is there a?
Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
highway that might be lost.
Oh yeah, oh nice.
Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Nice, you're going to want to find that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
And there's a certain man who was accused of
murdering his wife from thatmovie oh, it was also a previous
episode.
Oh, it rhymes with cake.
Ooh, blobbert cake, blobbertcake.
Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Oh, who could that be ?
Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Okay, so anything else before we bid adieu until
next week, guys.
Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Not much.
Go to patreoncom slash diebud.
Okay, bud, monday throughThursday you can watch that live
on the Patreon.
Super, super excited to bejoining forces with you boys.
Yeah, let's see.
If you want to email OK Bud,you could.
Also, if you want to talk aboutsomething that we're talking
about here on Die, go tookbudpod at gmailcom.
(01:09:37):
Yes, currently we are acceptingrecipes and pictures of dogs
and cats.
And now, anything you want tosay about David Lynch, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think that's about it, shannon.
Luckily she just posted in thechat here that she had a family
member diagnosed with HIV in 94,and he's still alive.
Woo, wow, thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Yes, awesome, yes, indeed All right.
And to everyone struggling withanything out there hang in
there, yep, and we'll try to getthrough this together.
Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Yep and until next week.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Don't go dying on us.
Bye-bye, hail yourselves Bye.
Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Yeah, thank you.
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