David Lynch Part II: The Certainty of Death (Episode 153)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Death and Entertainment.
I am known as the Log Lady.
There is a story behind that.
There are many stories inHollywood.
Some of them are sad, somefunny.
Some of them are stories ofmadness, of violence.
Some are ordinary, yet they allhave about them a sense of
mystery the mystery of life,sometimes the mystery of death.

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The mystery of life, Sometimesthe mystery of death, the
mystery of David Lynch.
And now our story continuesuntil it concludes.
It has been a pleasure speakingto you.
Live from Los Angeles 911,.
What is your emergency?

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Here in Hollywood now Two counts of murder, injury
and death.
Oh my God, shocking new details.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
Injury and death.
Oh my God, shocking new details.
That has stunned theentertainment world.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms,just like in the movies.
What do you?
Call this thing anyway.

Speaker 6 (00:56):
Death In entertainment.

Speaker 7 (01:01):
Greetings Ditto Universe.
Hi there, Hope you had a greatValentine's Day.
What's going on, everybody?
My name's Kyle Plouffe.
I'm Alejandro Dowling.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
I'm Ben Kissel.
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today's episode we are on DavidLynch, part 2.

Speaker 8 (01:24):
Yeah, if you thought we covered everything about
David Lynch in Part 1, you aredead wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
I don't think they did, because it's Part 1.
Because there would be noreason to call it Part 1.

Speaker 7 (01:38):
They might have been stuck in the mud hole and they
didn't hear that the Part 2 wascoming.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
Oh, could be.
Yeah, hope everyone enjoyedplaying in mud on this
Valentineentine's day.

Speaker 7 (01:45):
yeah, and, without further ado, let's do part two.
Okay, where did we leave off?
I think we left off with TwinPeaks, you know, killing

(02:17):
somebody.
The show killed somebody.
Well, didn't one of the guysdie?
Yes, that was the last thing Ithink we talked about.

Speaker 8 (02:22):
We went through every .
Then the show died.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yes, the show died and the movie tanked Because
they killed Laura Palmer halfwaythrough the second season.
People were like what's thepoint of the show anymore?
Big mistake, that was a mistake.

Speaker 8 (02:34):
And then we went over a couple of actors from the
Twin Peaks universe and we havemore of that today.
Oh good, great.
So you guys actually mentionedsomething about.
Wouldn't it be wild if DavidLynch had done a sitcom?
Yes, well, he actually did do asitcom.
Get out of town yeah, he did itin 1992, and it only lasted a

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few episodes.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
What was that?

Speaker 8 (02:58):
called.
It was behind the scenes at aTV station.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
Oh, I love that idea.

Speaker 8 (03:05):
Yeah, I'm looking up the name right now.
I forget the name exactly, butit was like a comedy, straight
up comedy, like Screwball Wow Onthe air.
It's called that's veryinteresting.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
I think that show became news radio.
Right, they were looking for abehind the scenes type show yeah
, david Lynch.
And then they're like David,most of the people are just in
the bathroom the whole time.
He's like, yeah, that's whereall the good stuff happens.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
So once again he was ahead of the curve because he
had a show that would bedeveloped, probably as something
like NewsRadio later.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
RIP Phil Hartman.

Speaker 8 (03:41):
Oh yeah, so the rest of the 90s.
He kind of laid low for themost part until 1997 when Lost
Highway was released, and thatis what a movie it's about a
saxophonist who's accused ofmurdering his wife, who's

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accused of murdering his wife,and while he's on death row, he
morphs into a completelydifferent person.
Who's this mechanic?
And then, as the moviecontinues, their paths cross,
and apparently this was inspiredby the OJ trial, what which?
You've seen the movie, right?

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Yeah, did you get any feelingof oj from it?

Speaker 6 (04:27):
not quite well, I mean, you gotta murder.
You gotta someone murderedtheir loved one, yeah, oj loved
nicole brown.
That was a perversion of loveyes, loosely based, I would say
I think he also just says stuffin interviews yeah, I really do.
Because I was watching a lot ofthe interviews, the one where
he ate the woman's panties,which is pretty fantastic, and I

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do think he just kind of Idon't want to say the word
trolls, because that'sdisgusting now and it's a gross
term done by gross peoplePlayful, he playfully yeah.
He's constantly pulling people'slegs.
I don't know where the truth iswith the guy.

Speaker 8 (05:04):
Yeah, and if you dared ask him what anything
means in one of his movies, hewould not answer the question
Right.
Or if you would say I thinkthat Twin Peaks is about youth
and the dangers of, you know,love and high school and blah,
blah, blah.
Small town drama, yeah, and hewould go no.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
Good to see you, Roger.
Oh yeah, that's a great clip.

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Kyle's referring to this clip where Roger Ebert is
on the red carpet at the Oscarsand Lynch comes up to him and
Roger Ebert famously hated allof Lynch's movies.
Roger Ebert was an asshole.
Well, wasn't really.
Was I like roger ebert?
Oh, my god I.
I grew up reading his reviews,watching the show, but he did

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like the straight story andeverything after that yeah so
it's just kind of a funnyencounter, because what did he
say?
I love movies that refuse toend.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Refuse to end.
Yeah, and he goes.
Good to see you, Roger.
That movie left everybody'sjaws on the floor.
Ebert's was the only one thatstayed there.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Yeah, Eventually it definitely fell on the floor,
but that was because of throatcancer.
Yeah, that's brutal.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
RIP Roger Ebert yes.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
And he also booed wild at heart at can about a
decade earlier.
Yeah, that's the thing, rogerebert.
He ruined people's careers forfun.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
That's not nice.
Well, he inexplicably did notlike david lynch, and he was the
only critic I'm a cisco guy.
I'm a cisco guy, all right, youheard it here first lost
highway, though that's's a toughfilm, it's got everything you
want, except somehow it does notfully come together.
As well as its best work, in myopinion.

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Right, it's lynching of Blender, hyper-stylized art film with
all the usual themes.
One of the best soundtracksever.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Yes, nine Inch Nails, david Bowieie, rammstein,
manson, manson yeah,incidentally, lynch once called
rammstein his favorite band, wow, yeah he was a super fan,
hasn't seen him in the front rowof a rammstein concert his hair
being singed play do hush.

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This is great.
Well, I mean, that actuallymakes sense Because if you think
of, like the complete oppositeof Bob Dylan, bob Dylan's
concert made him so upset thathe packed up and moved away from
his friend.
True, yeah, that's a good point, rammstein.
You know that's surprising, butalso not.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Yeah, lost Highway actually has a lot of characters
from the die universe.
We got natasha gregson, wagner,daddy wagner's sort of daughter
hanger on who thinks he'sinnocent.
Yeah, and we have the lastscreen roles of jack nance, who

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we're going to talk about in asecond.
Richard Pryor yeah, his lastappearance in cinema, wow.
And then, of course, mr RobertBlake Ooh, yes.
And why don't we watch?
This is one of the best scenesever.
The movie is not Lynch'sultimate masterpiece, but this

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scene is.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, this scene's great.
We've met before, haven't we?
I don't think so.
Where was it?
You think we met At your house,don't you remember?
As a matter of fact, I'm thereright now.

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Call me.
I told you I was here, hmm.
It's been a pleasure talking toyou, hmm.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
No way a guy like that could talking to you, hmm,
no way a guy like that couldmurder his wife.
No, no way.
Oh my God, that's a creepyscene, yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
And I read that he's going for dream logic with that
movie.
Okay, so one minute it's anormal party funk music playing,
and then suddenly thesoundtrack turns to ominous
drones and there's thismysterious guy and it really
does resemble some kind ofnightmare you're having.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Absolutely.
He nailed that.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
So if you are looking for some sort of explanation
for David Lynch's movies, thatis one way to look at it.
Okay, so it doesn't reallymatter to dig that deeper into
the surface of it.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
So let's talk about Robert Blake for a second.
We did a whole episode on him.
Yep, kyle, what do you have tosay about this?

Speaker 7 (10:18):
I mean Ben doesn't like when I say people are
guilty when there's been a trialand they've been proven
innocent.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
We have a court of law in this country.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
I think you know good actor but complete lunatic.
The fact that he went on LarryKing's show and just completely
went unhinged and was likescreaming at him, ready to fight
him, it was just a little toomuch.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
Well, you have to understand that's after years of
people thinking he's a murdererso you killed your wife correct
so he's all pent up, larry, Itold you not to speak of that,
yeah I mean to be honest,larry's like that's why we
brought you on the show.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah exactly, there's no reason for you to be here,
except for this whole likemurder thing you want to talk
about like little rascals,because he was on little rascals
hey, now that's a fantasticshow, full of innocence youth
street cart racing.
Almost no innocence on the showactually.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
We're going to be covering that, uh, very soon
well, fantastic, let's just ruineverything yeah, so bonnie lee
bakely was his wife and she wasgunned down after they ate at
vitello's in 2001.
Yeah, he left his gun at thetable, went back to get his gun.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
He came back.
She was gunned down after theyate at vitello's in 2001.
Yeah, he left his gun at thetable, went back to get his gun.
He came back.
She was already shot.
He ran home, left her there.
He's like we got robbed, but hedidn't know they got robbed
because he wasn't there and Ifound her.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
She must have been getting robbed and uh, yeah
innocent in the court of law,true, or at least not guilty?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
There's a difference.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
There is a big difference.
Yeah, but he died too.
He died recently.
He did In.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I want to say 2023.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
Oh, okay, so not a bad last movie to have Lost
Highway.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, so that was his last work, though, 1997.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
Yep, even though he just died, even though he just
died, no one would hire himafter the trial yeah, come on.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
What's murder amongst Hollywood friends?

Speaker 8 (12:11):
yeah but yeah, and then I want to get into the
other guy whose last appearanceit was is Jack Nance another
episode we've done, yes, so hehad a bad.
Whose last appearance it was isJack Nance Another episode
we've done, yes, and so he had abad final go of it.

(12:32):
Yeah, the whole, basicallyafter Twin Peaks onward, is
really bad for Jack Nance.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Yeah, he's in Meatballs 4.
Right what?
And then he got punched in thehead and got knocked out at
Winchell's and died.
What Getting a coffee.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I didn't know there was four meatballs.
Yeah, that's the shocking part.
Yeah, they're getting punchedin the head thing that happens
yeah you know who was hisco-star in meatballs?

Speaker 8 (12:53):
for no, cory feldman.
What, yeah, and I actuallyspoke to the director of it
because he was presentingrepossessed with neil, excuse me
, with leslie nielsen that movieis amazing at the new beverly,
and beforehand he was hangingoutside and we had just done the
jack nance episode a couplemonths before, so I started

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talking to him about it so thedirector of repossessed directed
meatballs for exactly yeah, sowow, yeah, I took the
opportunity at that screening tomeet with him.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
Bob logan is his name was he happy when you brought
up meatballs four?

Speaker 8 (13:31):
oh yeah, he was happy when I brought up jack nance
and actually I said I was goingto email him to come on and talk
about that experience.
Yes, and I still haven'temailed him.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
We gotta do it yeah, I have to do that.

Speaker 8 (13:43):
That'd be awesome but , as we covered in that episode,
on the set of Meatballs 4, jackNance gets a call from his wife
, kelly Van Dyke.
Jerry Van Dyke's daughter, okay, whom he was seeing he's still
going strong by the way.
No, he's gone.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Oh, I'm thinking of Dick Van Dyke, dick Van Dyke,
yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
He is going strong.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Dick Van Dyke is going strong.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
Yeah, and then she said she's going to kill herself
over the phone.
And then there was a big stormand the line cut out, and so
that's where it ended for JackNance the phone call that she
was going to kill herselfBecause he was on set and she
was in LA.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Meanwhile, she's just surrounded by big-titted women
and they're fucking cock jokes.
And Corey Feldman, CoreyFeldman, he's like honey.
You know I'm in a very seriousacting role right now.
I'm starring in Meatballs 4.
This is going to be huge for usand our family.
Don't commit suicide now.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
And then she did oh, oh boy.
And then he had to finish themovie, damn.
And on the episode we did, wewatched a scene from it and if
you can believe it, it was avery emotional scene, yeah he
was crying yeah because it wasafter he had found out.
So he channeled all his emotionsand after that he had all kinds
of ailments, really bad decline, and he had one more appearance

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in Lost Highway and David Lynchdid a reunion with him and his
ex-wife, catherine Coulson, whothe log lady she used to be
married to jack nance and sowhile making lost highway on a
featurette you can see it onyoutube they have a little
reunion.
Oh no kidding.
And that was the last time theysaw each other because jack

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nance on december 29th 1996 wentto get coffee, as Kyle
mentioned, at Winchell's Donutsin South Pasadena around 4 am
and the story goes that he gotinto a scuffle with a couple of
delinquent kids who were justhanging around looking for

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trouble.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Right at the donut shop at 4 am.

Speaker 8 (15:40):
Yeah and then they beat him up, and so that day he
was pretty badly bruised and hisfriends were worried about him,
and one of them drove him homeafter they had dinner and he
died in the night tell me he hadmeatballs for dinner four of
them at no point during thesekids beating him up, did they
look at him be like that's jackdance from meatballs four?

Speaker 6 (16:02):
what the hell are we doing?

Speaker 8 (16:03):
we will never know what happened at winchell's.
There's no footage of it,there's no witnesses, it's only
the story that he told hisfriends and then he died in his
sleep yeah, that the he.
It happened around 4 am.
He died less than 24 hourslater in the night, wow, when he
went to bed.
So it's very mysterious.

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It's kind of a fitting end forthis guy.
You know he was the star ofEraserhead, always had an air of
mystery around him, butfantastic screen presence, as
you saw last week in Wild atHeart where he's barking.
Yes, absolutely my dog.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Wow, what a way to go .

Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, and here's a clip of David Lynch actually
talking about the incident.

Speaker 11 (16:47):
I think in this donut shop.
You know, you can only kind of,you know, imagine what goes on,
but he just went in probably toget some coffee.
Maybe he didn't like, it wasn'treally an eater, you know, he
loved to drink coffee and so youcould see him in this donut
shop and you could see theseguys there and jack, you know,

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in his surly thing, and he couldbe kind of verbally abusive so
he might have said something andthen that was, that was it, and
he just got hit.
Really hard.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
He doesn't mix words, you know.
Yeah, wow, not much of an eater, though that's fascinating he
was a drinker, oh at the sametime that lynch quit drinking
and found transcendentalmeditation.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Remember, during the making of eraser head?

Speaker 6 (17:36):
uh-huh, jack nance went the opposite way oh, he
turned into a vicious drunkard Iguess that does bring you to a
coffee shop at 4 am or a donutjoint, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:48):
All right, he was hungry.
Maybe he finally wanted to eatsomething.
Maybe Didn't get his chance.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
I mean, I think the donut shops in Los Angeles are
all a ruse.
There's an undercover childoperation going on or something,
because no one's fat here, andthen every corner there's like
have some donuts.

Speaker 8 (18:05):
Yeah, here, and then every corner there's like have
some donuts.
Yeah, and I don't know who'seating them I'm eating them for
everybody you know what skinny,and I know I hate it.
I don't, I don't get it.
What you and they.
The other thing is, hamburgersare really popular here too.
Yeah, and who's eating thembesides me?

Speaker 6 (18:22):
I think we're eating for like five people.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
I do have one theory, before we move on, though,
about this incident atWinchell's.
I think that they asked Jack ifhe wanted a Hertz donut.
Hey, Hertz donut.
And the joke got out of hand.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, really possible, that is fantastic out
of hand.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
Yeah, yeah, really possible.
That is fantastic.
So lost highway, as usual,divides everybody.
Some critics call it the bestfilm of his career.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
Roger eber gives it one star it has one of my
favorite deaths of all time,which one in movies where the
guy tries to run away and goesinto the glass table and it
splits his head.
That's so good.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
Well, like I said, there's a lot to love about this
movie.
Yeah, I'm just saying as awhole piece.
Yeah, it doesn't work as wellas something like blue, velvet
or wild at heart to me, sure,but can you watch it and like
enjoy it?
Oh yeah, of course.
Yeah, it's just not the firstone I would point to for people.

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Right.
This next one, though, boy,does he take a U-turn for his
next movie?

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Oh God.

Speaker 8 (19:34):
That nobody expected.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
This is the one that Alejandro's making me cry,
telling me about it at the SuperBowl.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Yeah, that was the weirdest.
I look over and Kyle's crying.
He's like stop telling me.
And Alejandro's like I'm justtelling him about this movie.
I was like why are you crying?
Ever since Kyle had this kid,I'm soft, Very soft.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Oh boy, and I'm soft from all the burgers and donuts.
Hey, hey, not bad.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
So it's called the.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
Straight Story called the straight story and it was
released in 1999, and it isabout a 73 year old guy named
elvin straight who he hears thathis estranged brother lyle is
critically ill and so he's alsonot doing so well himself, so

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he's not able to drive a car, sohe grabs his lawnmower and goes
on a journey from Iowa toWisconsin.
I know this movie.
I watch this movie David Lynch.
That's amazing Disney DavidLynch movie and it's a hard G,
as Norm MacDonald says.

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It's one of Norm's favoritemovies.
Yeah, it's a heartwarming tale.
Oh, it's absolutelyheartwarming.
Wow, it's actually one of themost pure movies I've ever seen.
It is so real.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
How can one man direct the Elephant man and then
the Straight Story, mm-hmm.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
That's crazy To go from Lost Highway to the
straight story.
About two years different.
Yeah, 97 to 99.
He's like I need to chill out.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
This whole Lynch thing's getting a little crazy,
a little too weird.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
Yeah, it's so authentic Because I grew up in
the Midwest and that's where Isaw it.
It's actually the first Lynchmovie that I saw in the theater
Me and where I saw it.
It's actually the first Lynchmovie that I saw in the theater
Me and my dad and brother wentto see it and we were floored by
it.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Where Alejandro and I are both Wisconsin boys.
He grew up in Fond du Lac.
I'm from Stevens Point, prettyclose by.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Yeah, and so, as exaggerated as something like
Fargo is, the straight story isthe opposite.
It just feels like real, likeyou're just a fly on the wall,
and I love this quote from Lynchabout it Tenderness can be just

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as abstract as insanity.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, so let's watch a clip of the great Richard
Farnsworth as Alvin Straight,story as old as the Bible.
Cain and Abel, anger Vanity.
You mix that together withliquor, you've got two brothers

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that haven't spoken in 10 years.
Whatever it was that made meand Lyle so mad, it don't matter
anymore.
I want to make peace.
I want to sit with him, look upat the stars, like we used to

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do so long ago.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Now I'm going to cry, yeah it's an absolutely
beautiful movie.
And he was nominated for that.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Yeah, he got an Oscar nomination.
So this is our next minichapter about Richard Farnsworth
.
He was a stuntman most of hiscareer.
And then there's a 1983 aroundthat time canadian movie called
the gray fox that he starred inout of nowhere and he plays a

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bank robber or no, excuse melike a stage coach robber in
that and obviously like a longtime ago turn of the century or
something, and you know he's nota great guy in it but yet you
love him, like he's lovable andhis charisma anti yeah, and just

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, he's such an expressive actorand his charisma.
It's a fascinating performanceand again, like the straight
story, very pure.
And so then he had a successfulcareer as a character actor in
Hollywood.
After that, in his older age,he was in the Natural with
Robert Redford.
He had a very memorableperformance in Misery.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Yeah, he's the cop in Misery.
Everything Slade said Right.

Speaker 8 (24:10):
Which, if you know what happens to him in that
movie, the fact that it'sRichard Farnsworth makes it all
the more shocking.
Yes, indeed, and he was goingto retire by the end of the 90s
because, unfortunately, he foundout that he was terminally ill
with bone cancer.
But the opportunity to star inthis next David Lynch film came

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to him and he could not pass itup.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
So he was dying throughout the entire film.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
Yeah, and he admired the story, so he's like I'm
going to do this, and so hesurprised everybody with his
tenacity during the productionand he got through it and, as
you mentioned, he had an oscarnomination.
I remember that and here'swhere we get to, where norm

(25:01):
mcdonald comes in.
So richard farnsworth ended uplosing to kevin spacey that year
for american beauty okay thestraight story, ironically, is
not the kevin spacey story, ifyou know what I mean, there we
go um, but yeah, he lost.
And norm mcdonald has a theorythat if he had said he was dying

(25:24):
because he kept his secret, ohthat he might have won the oscar
you got to use everything yougot to use all the hands you're
being dealt, he's got.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
You know, it's an ace in a sense, where it's like one
or it's an ace, yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:38):
So yeah, use it yeah, and here's norm talking about
that.

Speaker 10 (25:42):
Was nominated for an Academy Award for the movie,
and if he had said he was filledwith cancer, he?
Would have won for sure, sure.
But instead he didn't say it andin fact no one knew it.
His family didn't know it, hekept it from everyone.
And then he was a stuntmanbefore he was an actor.

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He did what they call a stuntman's death, which is you put a
shotgun in your mouth and you,with your toe, you pull the
trigger and blow your head.
Oh, my god.
And so that, to me, iscourageous.
Like you're, you know you'renot being a burden to your
family, you know they knownothing about it, and and then
you're gone, and then that's it,yeah.

(26:24):
And then toe in the shotgun,yeah, and you know you write him
.
He wrote a nice letter toeverybody in the family and said
that you know he didn't want to.
The reason he did it is hedidn't want to cause people
distress.
So I thought, wow, howincredible.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
I mean it's interesting because of course,
Norm didn't let anybody knowthat he had cancer, right?
I mean it's interesting becauseof course, norm didn't let
anybody know that he had cancer,Right?
Yep, he was very private.
I will push back a little biton my icon, norm MacDonald.
It also doesn't allow people togrieve, yeah, and you know you
don't get to say your finalgoodbyes when the person's still
alive.
You know, there's kind of abecause it's just so shocking.
Yeah, like when Norm did die.

(27:01):
Obviously I didn't know himpersonally, but it would have
been nice just even likepublicly, just be like oh, you
know he's not going to be aroundforever.
Yeah, right, instead of beingso shocked.
But I see where Norm's comingfrom, although the toe on the
shotgun it's unsanitary.
Yeah, you see people cookingwith their toes and stuff like
that.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
Nevermind the biohazard of the brain matter
and the blood.
It's just come on, use yourfinger if you can, and what if
you miss?
That's just embarrassing.
Your toe is not?
It's a kind of have you evertried to paint with your toes?
It's ridiculous.
I mean, come on, toe paintingwhat the hell's going on here,
you know where you hold like abrush with your toe sure a
little toe expression yeah yes,but yeah, the stuntman's death
because you know, thinking ofthe movie like I had seen that

(27:48):
in the theater was a such a niceexperience with my family and
loved richard farnsworth andthat same year that he was at
the oscars I hear that he shothimself dead.
It was so like shocking to methat this nice old guy did that.
Until I read more about it,yeah, where he was just really
critically ill.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, kind of with the Hunter S Thompson, kurt
Cobain, way out.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
And so Norm was obsessed with this notion and he
did the same thing himself.
And when people would ask himwhat's your favorite impression?
You can see this on YouTube aswell.
People would ask him what'syour favorite impression?
You can see this on YouTube aswell.
He would always do in his lateryears, richard Farnsworth from
the Straight Story.
Wow, nobody understood the joke.
A lot of people probably hadn'teven seen the movie.

(28:35):
That's amazing.
But he would go.
I was a sniper when I grew up.
You learned how to shoot tohunt food, and then sometimes
the name of the character wouldchange yeah, or he would get
like the facts totally wrongfrom the movie his impression
always changed so rip normmcdonald and richard farnsworth?

(28:57):
yeah, absolutely so.
Lynch is riding high.
In 1999 he gets his firstpositive review from Roger Ebert
.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Oh wow, Thank you, Roger.

Speaker 8 (29:07):
Four stars for the Straight Story.
Talk of the wild to come aroundOf course, whatever I'm not.
And Lynch.
Of course, everyone else lovedthe Straight Story as well, and
so Lynch has a lot of cloutagain.
He's back, yeah, like he's back, yeah, he's back.

(29:28):
He took a little break betweentwin peaks and lost highway,
because think of how weird thattime must have been for him.
The highest of highs, yeah,career wise.
And then somehow that all goesaway by 1992.
Like the movie didn't do well,the show was off.
And so he's like what do I donext?
He, of course, was always doinghis art privately.

(29:50):
He was, you know.
If he wasn't doing it publicly,he was certainly at home
painting or something.
So in 1999, he wants toreplicate the success of Twin
Peaks.
Okay, so he's back at ABC andhe films a pilot for a tv show
called mulholland drive, andthey love it.

(30:25):
Plus, yeah, plus, or plus,however you want to say it and
they bought the rights to it.
So they have this TV pilot thatwas shot on film.
Because, remember, he doesn'tdo TV, it's not TV, it's David
Lynch.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
Right.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
And then they repackage it as a movie and add
some additional scenes,including a whole different
ending, so that becomesMulholland Drive the movie.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Awesome.
Yeah, I can't really picture itas a TV show, really.
Not really I mean it's such a.
Tv show?
Really Not really.
I mean, it's such a perfectmovie.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
It is a perfect movie , but I can easily picture it as
a TV show in the sense thatthere's a lot of vignettes in it
.
Okay, so it sort of matches thequality of Twin Peaks.
In that sense you could imaginethat continuing every week and
some of those characters likethe cowboy Sure.
It was released in 2001.

(31:27):
And if you haven't seen it, Imean how do you even describe it
?
Pretty good.
Yeah.
It's a satirical neo-noirmystery set in La La Land.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
What more could you want?

Speaker 8 (31:40):
That's.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Hollywood, that's.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Hollywood baby and an early big role from naomi watts
and put her on the map.
And then laura herring was theother star of it.
They played betty and rita.
Laura herring doesn't rememberwho she is in it.
She got into some sort of caraccident and encounters naomi
watts, who has just moved to la,with stars in her eyes and she

(32:04):
wants to become an actress.
So she says oh, come live withme and it's about their
adventures.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
Nothing bad can happen now.
No, I'm the roommate in LosAngeles.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
Nothing bad could happen, kato there we go, we got
another OJ connection.
Perhaps he was all over Lynchmovies, perhaps.
Cutting his way in this podcastand the best way I can describe
the meaning of mulholland drivewhich lynch would have told me I
was wrong he's stripping awaythe bright sheen of hollywood

(32:38):
and exploring the darknesswithin the industry and how the
dream is far from the reality.
Oftentimes it becomes anightmare Because there's a lot
of casting couch stuff in it andbeing chewed up and spit out
Spit on Uncomfortable scenes.
So this is considered hisgreatest film.

(32:58):
Most people agree on that and Iwould say watch this before
Lost Highway yes, agree on that.
And I would say watch thisbefore lost highway.
Yes, like this, this is the onewhere you, you, you will either
get lynch or you won't, but thisis your best shot because this
is masterful.
Yeah, there's not a wrong framein it.
Yeah, and he won the bestdirector at can and got another

(33:20):
oscar nomination for bestdirector.
Robert altman was alsonominated that year for Gosford
Park, and they both lost to theguy from Happy Days.
For what movie?
Ron Howard?
A Beautiful Mind, oh, aBeautiful Mind.
That made me so mad at the time.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Yeah, I thought that movie was boring, but that's
just me, yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:42):
It was okay, but come on.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Guy didn't look so smart, but then he turned out to
be smart.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
Yeah, he's got triangles in his head Floating
around with numbers and stuff.
Right, you think you're betterthan me?

Speaker 8 (33:54):
And Mulholland Drive.
This is one of those DVDs Iexcitedly bought at Sam Goody oh
man, sam Goody and I would passthis around to my friends and
they had to see this.
I had to make sure everybodywas exposed to David Lynch.
And there's an interestingthing I noticed on the DVD menu
no chapters.
Oh, because Lynch thought youshould watch the entire movie in

(34:18):
one sitting or you won't haveexperienced it.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
That checks out.
It's a movie, yeah.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
It doesn't lend itself to.
Hey, can you pause this.
I'm going to go get the popcorn.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
I think that plays on my.
I don't see it as a TV seriesidea.
Oh, maybe.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Does anyone else see it as a TV series too?

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Or is that just me?
I think it's above television?

Speaker 8 (34:42):
That certainly is it's above film, if you ask me.
Yes, I mean transcends thegenre.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
You do wonder if he had a bunch of executives
television executives muddlingevery week, what that thing
would have turned into.
Oh no, it wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
Yeah, it would have been the same ending as Twin
Peaks.
But yeah, certainly, whether itwas TV or movie, he certainly
rises above the medium, I think.
So after that he's done it allyou know, he finally got his
magnum opus out there.
Finally everyone understandshim.
He unofficially retires frommainstream filmmaking, and so I

(35:19):
found this clip from hisappearance on the Tonight Show.
Leno asks him what he does inhis free time.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Yeah.
I was going to say.
How does one unofficiallyretire?
Let's find out.

Speaker 9 (35:29):
Hey, let's find out.
You heard about this, Now whatdo?

Speaker 11 (35:31):
you do in your free time.
Wow, what do you do?
Do you have?

Speaker 8 (35:33):
some time off.

Speaker 11 (35:35):
I don't I like to work, Jay, Do you whittle?
What do you do?
Well, many things, but it's notexactly work.
It's painting and stillphotography, and you know I'm
working on the internet.
And what was your last vacation?

Speaker 9 (35:55):
What the hell's a vacation?

Speaker 11 (35:57):
I don't know.
You don't seem like a beach guy.
No, I don't go to the beach.
You don't seem like a warmclimate guy you go to the beach.
No, I went to the beach in 73.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Right, oh God a bit.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I went to the nude beach, I was flying a kite and
this girl says are you acomedian?
And I never went back, Hello.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
And he got recognized at the nude beach.
He had that ready.
Yeah, gotcha, can I?

Speaker 11 (36:19):
say, judy, where's Judy?
Sure, she's a friend.
Hello, judy.
Now who's?
Judy what does she do?
She's just a friend.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Just a friend.
Now you see it's so.
I mean, is it an open-endedfriend?
Open-ended, open-ended that wasa reference to when he was
telling Jay that Mulhollandstarted out as a TV show, that
it was left open-ended before itwas a movie.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Then all I could picture is a woman bending over
with her asshole.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
Yeah, it kind of worked and if you'll recall what
was his favorite movie, hisfavorite movie, yeah, jay leno's
.
No, no, david lynch.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
Oh, jay leno's, I have no idea.
We talked about it before lastweek.

Speaker 8 (37:01):
Ah shit, I don't remember the wizard of oz.
Oh, that's right.
So he says there I'd like tosay hi to judy, that's judy,
garland, he's referring to.
That's so bizarre, yeah he layslittle easter eggs in his leno
interviews too, jud Judy.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Okay, why is he creepier than all the movies?

Speaker 7 (37:21):
Yeah, it's toned down you talking about Leno?

Speaker 8 (37:25):
Yeah, basically.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
Shannon wants to know about the blue box and what
that means.
It could have many meanings,but I think there is.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
I think maybe that's the MacGuffin that every actress
or actor is trying to get inHollywood.
How's that?
That's pretty good.
What's a MacGuffin?
That's the thing in a moviethat drives the plot.
It's called the.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
MacGuffin yeah, the Holy Grail in the Indiana Jones
movie, that's the MacGuffin,sounds like someone who scored
three touchdowns in a highschool game who doesn't shut up
about it we.
That's the MacGuffin Soundslike someone who scored three
touchdowns in a high school game, who doesn't shut up about it.
We get it.
Macguffin, you were good once.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
Sounds like a McDonald's breakfast sandwich.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
Oh, that is good.

Speaker 7 (38:10):
It's also what every AMC theater calls the bar at
their locations MacGuffin's.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
Bar.
Okay, and now you know why.
Yes, interesting.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Learning a lot, but I think once she opens it, things
change, mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
So are you saying once she gets there, that's when
, once she becomes an actress inHollywood, that's when it goes
really dark, that's when it allgoes down?
Okay, mm-hmm, I believe it.
You hear that.
Yeah, I believe it.
The only thing missing fromMulholland Drive is Robert Blake
.
Yeah, so he didn't even casthim.

(38:47):
No, not in that one, eventhough he does reuse a lot of
actors.
That one, though, curiously,doesn't really have a lot of
crossover from Twin Peaks.
There's no Kyle MacLachlan,right, but there is a freaky
looking homeless dude oh cool,played by a woman.
Okay, you'll know what I'mtalking about if you watch it.
Alright, so he's hanging outnow.

(39:09):
He's not going to the beach.
Maybe he's seeing Judy whoknows, who knows Judy Tanuta?
He creates a website aptlynamed DavidLynchcom Very nice In
the early 2000s and there hewould showcase a ton of
experimental short films.
He was always either paintingor making a short film or

(39:31):
writing something.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
So he is staying super busy.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
Yes, except just not in the sense of you know
mainstream credits at this point.
He's not in the sense of youknow mainstream credits at this
point, because after he's donethe hollywood system?
not not at all, because aftermulholland drive was like what
do you do next?
How about nothing?
And then there was anotherproject where he would call in

(39:55):
these daily weather reports tola radio station indy 103.1 I
love it.
And when that ran dry he wouldpost them on his website and it
consisted of him saying hello,today there is a light breeze

(40:15):
and it's partly sunny, 72degrees.
Have a beautiful day that'shilarious.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Yeah, can he be my like?
Uh, uh, what the guide, my uh,mac quest guide.
Yeah, that would be awesome,awesome take a right oops, I
mean left.
Why do you always bring me toMulholland Drive?
Oh God, I'm trying to go toRalph's damn it.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Park next to that naked woman with the red hair
and the bloody mouth.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
I haven't eaten in weeks.
I need to go to Ralph's.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
Why am I at Winchell's?
Yeah, exactly 4 am.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
Any place can be Ralph's.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
So that brings us to Inland Empire, a movie.
I guess he labeled it a movie,but it's not exactly a normal
movie.
It's also a part of California,it is.
And that's where he heard LauraDern, friend and frequent
collaborator.
She was in Blue Velvet.
He heard her saying somethingabout driving in the Inland

(41:23):
Empire and, ta-da, that was hisnext idea.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
There it is, and I've been there many times.
It's a loose term when it comesto empire, oh for sure.
It's a lot of malls, a lot ofmalls.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
Yeah, I guess he had a fascination with just the what
do you call it?
The greater LA area.
Sure, he was isolated in hisbubble in Hollywood, mm-hmm.
But who's living?
What's going on out there?

Speaker 6 (41:50):
Yeah, temecula, my favorite place in California so
far.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
Really Temecula.
Oh okay, great, interesting,beautiful town.
No one really says that aboutUpland, you know or like Walnut
Right, these places that are alittle more east.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
Walnut.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
California.
Well, there's just so manyplaces you didn't even realize
existed here.
Yeah, especially in the BayArea, like it just expands and
expands.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Right.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
Endeavorants, random cities, you know so anyway.
Inland random cities, you knowso anyway.
Inland empire this was a moviethat he it, it's like, not, it's
not um released in the studiosystem and it's a culmination of
all the short films he'd beenworking on.
So it even includes like stuffthat he had started as a short

(42:37):
film and put in this movie.
So, again, I wouldn't recommendthis as your first exposure to
David Lynch, because it's overthree hours, oh wow, very
challenging to watch.
It doesn't have the look ofMulholland Drive because it was
shot mainly on digital video, soit's missing that beauty that
all his other movies had.
Yeah, so it's pretty that likebeauty that all his other movies

(42:59):
had.
So it's pretty disjointed butinteresting experiment, I guess
you could say.
And, kyle, do you want to readthis excerpt from the Badger
Herald?
Okay, because the way DavidLynch presented this like this
did not play at AMC.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
Is the Badger Herald from Wisconsin?
Yes, okay, so this did not playat AMC.
Is the Badger Herald fromWisconsin?
Yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
So this did not play at AMC.
You didn't go to McGuffin'sbeforehand.
No, this is the local collegepaper, maybe, okay.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
Did you write this?

Speaker 8 (43:32):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Is this your personal ?

Speaker 8 (43:36):
review Inland Empire.
It's not playing next to ScaryMovie 4.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
All seven.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
David Lynch personally took this movie
around the country like a tour,and so one of the stops he made
was in Chicago.
Okay, and he introduced it.
So, kyle, do you want to read?

Speaker 7 (43:53):
this, it was in Chicago, and then the Badger
Herald picked up on it.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
This is the Badger.

Speaker 7 (43:58):
Herald's account of that night, a place you were
going in 2007.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Interesting.
It's not about me, Kyle.
This review is not yours.
It's not a review.

Speaker 8 (44:06):
It's kind of like a description of that evening Okay
.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
On January 27th, David Lynch presented Inland
Empire at the Music Box Theaterin Chicago.
At around half past midnight hestrolled onto the stage and
stood in front of a bright redcurtain an image right out of
Twin Peaks.
After a standing ovation, thegracious host told his adoring
fans that quote by the time thefilm is over, it will be time

(44:30):
for breakfast.
He proceeded to set the mood,employing an organist to play a
short improvisational melodyreminiscent of the ominous
scores by longtime collaboratorAngelo Badalamenti.
Over the music, Lynch read offa series of non sequiturs
written on crumpled papers.
We are the weavers of ourdreams.

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Then the film started.
The audience was fully engagedand ready for a fun ride, but 3
30 am, the energy had drained.
People walked out of thetheater into the frigid, wintry
darkness, wondering what theyhad just seen so is it bad or is
it good, or what is the yes?

Speaker 8 (45:10):
yes, there you go.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Kyle figured it out oh my god, that's hilarious.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yeah, so that was written by someone named
Alejandro.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
Yeah, yes, nice.

Speaker 8 (45:24):
Published baby.
I was so excited too.
That's awesome.
I'm like nobody's writing aboutthis.
No, wow, you got into theBadger Herald.
Yeah, and you know how wetalked about how we had both
seen George Carlin at the Pabst.
It's one of those you're likegosh, I'm glad I made it to that
.
That's awesome Before he died,right, like just, you're glad

(45:45):
that you were in the presence ofGeorge Carlin.
Yeah.
I feel that way about thisevening and being in the same
room as David Lynch.
That's awesome, getting hisessence, his aura.
Yeah, yeah, he's a vibe.
Huh, yeah, he is.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
Yeah, that I was like so excited that night and made
it happen.
I describe yourself.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
I kind of like david lynch's yeah, yeah, and it was
like bugs and mud holesbasically no, no, I don't kill
them.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
I don't kill them no only if they're dead for some
reason.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
There's a lot of dead bugs around me and I couldn't
have been more excited to bethere, you know, and it was
freezing that night, so it tooka lot of effort even to get out
of the apartment, yeah, but ohmy god, by 2 30 I wanted to die.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
So my movie just end, even as a huge fan.
Oh yeah, exactly so what doesthat you Imagine?
If you were dragged there bysomeone like they were the fan
and you weren't Right, I want tokill myself yeah.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
And you probably beforehand, the fan would be
like oh, you're going to lovethis movie Because remember
Mulholland Drive Wasn't thatgreat.
Well, this was not MulhollandDrive.
Thank you very much.
Did it make any sense at all?
No, none whatsoever.
Even less sense than MulhollandDrive.
It makes Mulholland Drive looklike singing in the rain, wow.
So, anyway, you know, enter atyour own risk.

(47:06):
Yeah, but might you throw it onwhile you're doing the dishes
or cutting your toenails?
Sure, yeah, why not?

Speaker 7 (47:14):
Taking a dump.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
Yeah, whatever, whatever you might be doing.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
Keep going, sure, taking a dump, yeah, whatever,
whatever you might be doing,keep going here.
What else could you be doing?
Oh, you know.
All right.
So the other thing that,besides making really long weird
movies and presenting it to mepersonally in the midwest, he's
also getting more and more intotranscendental meditation.
He's spreading the, spreadingthe word, and in 2005 he

(47:41):
launched the david lynchfoundation for conscious based
education and peace god, itsounds like clockwork.
Orange is about to take place itsounds like a joke when it did.
At the time, I remember hearingabout his endeavor and I'm like
, is this for, or is this partof his next movie?
Like he meditates?

(48:01):
Like it didn't make any sense.
Of course it does now, becauseif you think about it it makes
perfect sense, cause that'sDavid Lynch, you know, like he
was all about that, like justyou know, like being one with
the universe and letting thedreams talk to you, you know,
yeah, so the David LynchFoundation.

(48:22):
The goal was to promote or it'sstill around, actually so to
promote and fund the teaching ofmeditation in schools.
And then later it expanded itsfocus to include more at-risk
populations like vets and thehomeless Nice so, and the
homeless, nice so.
And prison inmates.
And about TM, as it's called,lynch says it's like a donut

(48:49):
Quote you never know how sweetit is until you try it.
All right, and here's a clipfrom a documentary called
Meditation, creativity, peace,which captured one of his
speeches that he gave whiledoing this big world tour to
promote TM.
Awesome, and really listen tothis clip here because very wise

(49:12):
words.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
Negativity is just like darkness.
And so you look at darkness andyou say, wait a minute,
darkness isn't really anything,it's the absence of something.
So it doesn't matter how darkthe night has been, when the sun
comes up, automatically,without trying, the sunlight

(49:34):
removes the darkness.
Sunlight doesn't removenegativity.
But this light of unity removesnegativity, just like sunlight
removes darkness.
Negativity is just the absenceof that all-powerful bliss and

(49:54):
all-powerful love, all-powerfulenergy, dynamic, peace, harmony,
coherence.
You enliven that and negativitylifts away.
It can't live in that light.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 8 (50:11):
Yeah, very good.
Yeah, isn't that deep Mm-hmm?
So you know, listening to himit's like he's completely
earnest.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
You know like, Know what youknow like.
You know what I mean.
You know what I mean burn.
I would have loved to see themcollaborate on something like
earnest goes to hollywood, getagain.
Transcendental meditation Imean eggs erroneous, and yeah,

(50:37):
so I added yet another layer toDavid Lynch's mystique.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
Yeah, very motivating .

Speaker 8 (50:45):
And so, with the goal of teaching TM to a million
high-risk youths, the foundationsponsored a 2009 Change Begins
Within benefit concert held atRadio City Music Hall, and it
was hosted by Lynch and LauraDern, and the speakers and
performers included Sir PaulMcCartney, ringo Starr Is he a

(51:09):
sir?

Speaker 6 (51:10):
I'm not sure.
All I know is he has never hadpizza.
I learned that this morning.
What yeah, Ringo Starr said henever had pizza and then it's
been confirmed, but he did thosecommercials in the 90s for
Pizza Hut.

Speaker 8 (51:19):
Remember Crust first.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
What yeah?

Speaker 8 (51:22):
When they were promoting the stuffed crust.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
I'm starting to think .
You can't believe what allthese Hollywood actors or
musicians are selling.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
I just find it weird to do a pizza commercial when
you had never eaten pizza.
That's what he says.
But now okay, if you haveevidence that he did so.
Other performers and speakersDonovan, who I saw at Summerfest
once.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Oh, summerfest in Milwaukee Great time.
I saw Louis Black there and Ihunted him down for like a mile
and I'm like I love your work,because he was eating a hot dog.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
I tried to do that with Donovan, but he was also
eating a hot dog, was he really?
I don't know, everyone's eatinghot dogs at the Summerfest.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
I'm telling you it's a great place, or turkey legs.
Turkey legs are big also.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
Cheryl Crowe was also there.
Jerry Seinfeld, what's the dealwith TM?
Do you transcend?

Speaker 7 (52:11):
Change comes from within Very good.

Speaker 8 (52:13):
And Howard Stern, if you can believe it, he is a very
famous proponent for TM.
Really, yeah, yeah, I don'tknow what happened to.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Howard Stern.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
Oh God, I'd like to fuck that gong.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Yep, the man who brought us anal butt ring talk.
You should sit down andharbinger morality.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
All of a sudden, have some thoughts to yourself, down
and harbinger morality all of asudden.
Have some thoughts to yourself.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Yeah, that's probably where he got all his ideas from
, maybe Meditating.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Assholes Cornhole, have this guy fart on command
into a microphone.
Please do it.
This is brilliant.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
It's just wrong have father-daughter play game.
Yes so yeah, he got a lot ofbig people involved there and
they've had multiple benefitconcerts through the years.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
That would have been awesome to go see.

Speaker 8 (53:11):
Yeah, I was in New.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
York.
At that time too, I could havegone.
You should have gone.
I was too Fuck I was dead broke.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
Oh, come on, I managed to get to Inland Empire
in Chicago.
Wow, you two could have gottenthere.
We could have Jeez, and thenyou could have written about it
in the Badger Herald.
I know, fucking loser, if youwere cool.
No, to date, the David LynchFoundation has taught more than

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a million people to meditate andthey've implemented meditation
programs in schools andhospitals Great, all over this
fine planet of ours.
I love that.
So let's get into his latercareer.
Lynch wasn't making moviesanymore.
So what was he doing when hewasn't painting?

(53:59):
Taking gigs as an actor, oh, Ilove it.
So he played tv producer jackdoll on louis.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Wow, yes, louis, I watched louis um regularly, and
then it would get me a littledepressed, though, really I
don't know why too real yeahmaybe too real after like four
episodes, four episodes row.
I was like I'm feeling down.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Yeah, it did sort of switch tones A little bit.
Yeah, whereas it'd be funny andthen sometimes just depressing.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Really sad yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
So he also played the bartender on the Cleveland Show
.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
Oh yes, that's right.

Speaker 8 (54:39):
And he voiced himself on Family Guy Wow, so let's
listen to that.
We now return to how DavidLynch Stole Christmas.

Speaker 11 (54:54):
Hello, I got you a present.
It's a thumb.
Don't look away.
Let the fear wash over you.
I don't understand.
That's the whole point.
Did you leave a plate of blackcoffee out for me?
No, in the future, please leavea plate of black coffee out for
me, also in the past.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 7 (55:16):
A plate yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Love is going to lap it up like a cat.
Yeah, that's hilarious a plate.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
yeah, love is gonna lap it up like a cat so david
lynch now is a beloved icon andhe is just in the culture.
Isn't that interesting.
Like there's few directors youcan truly say that become an
adjective lynchian, yeah,anytime.

(55:41):
Something's kind of weird in amovie like oh, that's, that's
like david lynch meets die hard.
Yeah, lynch did it right?

Speaker 6 (55:50):
I guess tarantino to some degree, right?
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (55:53):
yeah and so, uh, we were talking about.
You know how twin peaks becamea pop culture sensation, so I
thought right now it'd be fun tolook at a couple examples of
him being parodied Awesome.
So this is a clip from theSimpsons Beautiful, who shot Mr

(56:14):
Burns episode?

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Oh god, so good.
You had to wait so long to findout who did it, the whole
summer.
That was infuriating.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Now eat the cheese we got.
Now eat the food.
This here burns better, youknow.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
Huh.
Better.
You know, Burns suit.
I'm not following you.
Look at Burns' suit Ha ha ha.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
I had an idea, Chief how do we check out that suit
Burns was wearing when he gotshot?
Did you have the same backwardstalking dream with the flaming?

Speaker 11 (56:59):
cart I'll drive Ha idea.
Chief, how do we check out thatsuit Burns was wearing when he
got shot?
Did you have the same backwards?

Speaker 10 (57:02):
talking dream with the flaming cart.

Speaker 11 (57:06):
I'll drive.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
And I thought that was funny as a kid Little did I
know I had no idea that it's aspot on spoof of Twin Peaks.
And so the next one is a clipfrom Jiminy Glick's movie oh man
.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
I love Jiminy Glick.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
Jiminy Glick in Lala Wood.
He's so good and he plays bothJiminy and David Lynch.
Excuse me.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Do you work for the hotel?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
No, I'm David Lynch.
I am a director, well, whoisn't here?
And I bet you have a treat.
As a matter of fact, I do.
I like the idea of a dark road,for I know that darkness is

(57:57):
like a magnet To madness.
The story I'm creating is amystery dipped and drowning in
despair.
It involves a small-timecelebrity interviewer.
I would kill to hear the restof it, but they're doing a

(58:18):
retrospective on Joey Travolta,on E, on the Siblings of
Celebrity series, and I'm goingto buggy whip myself by Miss One
.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
Frame.
Okie dokie.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
That's incredible.
Okie dokie Jiminy Glick is oneof the funniest characters ever.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
Talk about another national treasure.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
We've talked about him a lot on this show.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
And Martin Short gave us Jiminy Glick and Clifford
Clifford and Pure Luck Right.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Remember that movie with Donald Glover, danny.
Glover.
Danny Glover, Not Donald Gloverwho opened his shit.
I've met a couple of times Verytalented yeah with the bee
sting.
Oh it's the funniest thing youknow what that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
You mentioned that true trivia here.
Fact is that movie inspiredjiminy glick because when he
gets stung by the bee, themakeup, the fat makeup.
He.
That's when he got the idea tobe a fat character that's
hilarious.
Yeah, wow, it all comes together, it all does.
And that brings us to 2017,when David Lynch unleashed Twin

(59:26):
Peaks, the Return.
So this was huge because, sure,there was Inland Empire, but
really you haven't seen a realmovie from this guy since
Mulholland Drive in 2001.
Wow, like the Twin Towers werestill standing when people first
saw Mulholland Drive, wow.

(59:46):
And so now we have David Lynchand Mark Frost coming together
again.
They pitched the new series toShowtime by showing them just
the first two hours of thescript and they had a bunch of
notes.
And so it was originallysupposed to be nine episodes,
but it later doubled to 18episodes.

(01:00:07):
Wow.
And they viewed it as one longmovie.
And what a movie it is.
Wow it is.
It's as challenging as InlandEmpire and Lost Highway Wow,
highway.
And makes even less sense thanthe original Twin Peaks, and yet
it still has some of his bestwork in it.

(01:00:28):
Wow, because even if you're notvibing, as you like to say,
with the entire thing, you willcertainly find little vignettes
or episodes that you enjoy.
Yeah, and, of course, anoutstanding cast and the whole
works.
You know directing the music,the writing, right.

(01:00:50):
So, again, I cannot recommendthis to just the layman, like if
you want an intro to DavidLynch, but if you're already on
board.
Like obviously it's amazing.
39 actors from the originalseries returned and David Bowie,
who played Agent Jeffries inthe movie Fire Walk With Me, was

(01:01:10):
all set to reprise his role butdied before it could happen
Because he died in very early2016.
That was a sad one.
Oh, that was.
I hated that one.
There were ones like we talkedabout that just sting.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
I watched Labyrinth that day.

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
Really yeah, that's an amazing magic dance, magic
dance.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
He's awesome, david Bowie's phenomenal.

Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
That's legit.
One of my favorite Bowie songstoo.
Is that cool it's fine, you'reallowed it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
I'm not sure what other people Not cool.
Fine, he did a lot of dance.
He had some dance moments inhis life.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
He did, but not in the new Twin Peaks series.
And we have Kathryn CoulsonReturning as the Log Lady.
Remember, she was married toJack Nance at one point and
unfortunately, she died duringproduction.
Oh, but she had cancer.
Everyone knew her time waslimited, so Lynch filmed her in

(01:02:14):
2015, before she died, waybefore the series premiered.
That was probably one of thefirst things that he shot, so
she was able to appear inmultiple scenes and multiple
episodes.
And then we have Miguel Ferrer,who played Agent Rosenfeld, the
kind of sarcastic FBI agent,and he died after production,

(01:02:38):
but before the broadcast, wow,yeah.
And this guy, like you've seenhim in a million things.
He's in one of my favoritemovies hot shots, part duh and
he was in the movie traffic.
I believe he was on ncis yeah,in his final years, or one of
those, one of those shows likecsis.
And, uh, great, great actor,george Clooney's cousin as well.

(01:03:03):
Oh, wow, yeah.
And then Harry Dean Stanton,who plays the manager of the Fat
Trout Trailer Park, diedshortly after the final episode
aired, after a long storiedcareer.
After the final episode aired,after a long storied career
According to David Lynch oh,yeah, actually.
Here's a quote from David Lynchabout this project On the first

(01:03:26):
Twin Peaks.
Doing TV was like going from amansion to a hut.
But the art houses are gone now, so cable television is a
godsend.
They're the new art houses, wowso he had a total flip on
television.
Yeah, and he considers this thebest experience of his career.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
That's fantastic 2017 ?
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Wow, yeah, and the Calle du Cinema chose this as
the best film of the decade,even though it's a TV series.
That's amazing.
That's what I'm saying.
He transcends the medium.
It doesn't matter, this is aart.
Yeah, um, yeah, by all accounts, it was very well received,

(01:04:12):
obviously, uh, it's confoundingand it's it's uh, really
abstract.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I think it's really abstract.
I think it's very fun not tooverthink it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:22):
Exactly, you just have to experience it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Experience it and sit in it.
It's a good.
It's just I don't know.
It's fun.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, you know I'm explaininghim too much.
Like obviously most people arejust like oh yeah, it's great
Because you got Matthew Lillardin there too.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened Inthe series.
Yeah, in Twin Peaks, the Return.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
Yeah, but you watched ?

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
it?
Yeah, I watched it Exactly.
I still don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Yeah, it doesn't matter at all.
Yeah, and yet there's a millionvideos on YouTube explaining
what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Yeah, and they, which is perfect, they're all wrong.
They're all right, right,exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
So that's cool.
That's what you call going outwith a bang.
Yeah, because it brought himright into his twilight years,
and I'm not talking about thehit franchise.

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
I literally mean his twilight years.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
Okay.
So he slowed down after theTwin Peaks revival, but
continued to paint and smoke.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Okay, I'm happy he didn't give up smoking, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
Well, so I told you about that documentary, Lynch
slash Oz, that explored how theWizard of Oz is in every one of
his movies.
Well, here's a little snippetwhere they're talking about his
view of smoking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I think the only things in life for him that
don't have an evil doppelgangerare probably coffee and
meditation Coffee.
Even cigarettes in Wild atHeart are this constant threat,
and everybody knows David Lynchloves cigarettes.

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
And here's a clip from Twin Peaks the return of
him acting in it Whoa, he takesa drag, whoa.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
So he loves cigarettes yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:06:14):
All right.

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
Oh, and what was his?
Oh yeah, I forgot to mentionthat he plays agent cole in the
twin peaks series and he did inthe original and he did in the
revival whoa and he's a well, hesays whoa really loud because
he's hard of hearing.
So he has these ridiculoushearing aids and he talks like

(01:06:36):
this because he can't hearanything.
It's so funny and everyone thefirst time around in the
original series.
Like, wow, like david lynch isacting here.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
Yeah, like you just didn't expect to see him in his
movie suddenly so he's got thesecond variation of the whoa
catchphrase, because joeylawrence had whoa whoa oh yeah,
that's true, he brought backwhoa, and didn't matt leblanc
have some sort of rip off ofwhoa?

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
maybe like whoa yeah, maybe there was a little woe in
friends.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
Yeah woe is me.
We don't move on to the nextpart.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so I wanted to take asecond to talk about his
multiple marriages.
So, speaking of his actingcareer, he did do a random movie
in the late 80s with isabellarossolini, who starred in blue

(01:07:31):
velvet, and then they also datedokay whoa afterwards, while he
was still married oh,controversial yeah so he was
married four times, even thoughmarriage probably wasn't for him
, yeah, so he probably.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
I think it's definitively proven not to be
for him yeah, when you cheat onevery single one of your wife
yeah, I guess that's very goodevidence.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Can you imagine him, though, just explaining like
what is cheating?
Yeah, he would just be soinferior He'd be like just get
out of here David.
Leave.
I know you fucked another.
Just go.
There's no deeper meaning tothis.

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
Or when it came time to read his vows at the ceremony
.
Oh my Lord, the wind is allaround us, Like David.
It's been an hour, Can you geton with it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
You take her to be your wife and he goes sure For
now, Till I change my mind.

Speaker 8 (01:08:35):
So he wrote this autobiography called Room to
Dream, and this is where headmitted that he cheated on all
his wives.
So quote his first wife wasPeggy, who he divorced during
the making of Eraserhead.
So quote one day, peggy told methat she was pregnant, and one
thing led to another, and we gotmarried.
The only thing I remember aboutour wedding is that Jack Nance

(01:08:55):
wore a taxi cab driver shirt toit.
I loved Peggy, but I don't knowthat we would have gotten
married if she hadn't beenpregnant, because marriage
doesn't fit into the art life.
You'd never know.
I think that, though, becauseI've been married four times.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
I love how he says one thing led to another and we
got married.
That's never been how thatsentence ends, so I was like one
thing led to another and wentnaked in the backseat of the car
.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
No Romantic, that's pure romance.
Yeah, one thing led to another.
We got married.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Well, like his movies , he did it backwards.
They had the kid first.
Yeah, so after Peggy he marriedhis best friend's sister, mary
Fisk, sister to Jack Fisk, whofunded Eraserhead and is married
to Sissy Spacek, ah yes.
And then Lynch moved on tolongtime collaborator Mary

(01:09:46):
Sweeney.
By the way, when he was withMary Fisk, that's when he
cheated with Isabella Rossellini.

Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
So then he moved on to longtime collaborator Mary
Sweeney.
Among other things, she editedTwin Peaks, she produced Lost
Highway, she wrote the scriptfor the Straight Story.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
And you're saving money.
You got two Marys in there.
The his and hers towels canstay.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
Yeah, the thing with Mary and Judy Interesting.
And so him and Sweeney datedfor nearly 20 years before
finally tying the knot in 2006.
And then they divorced in 2007.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Sometimes just date.
Yeah, exactly, some people aregreat with just dating.

Speaker 8 (01:10:34):
That's incredible to date for 20 years and be married
for one year.
We tried things out.
It didn't work.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
That joke Chris Rock made about Nelson Mandela's wife
.
They got divorced after he leftprison.
I liked you from afar, but,nelson, you're annoying as hell,
right.

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
Then he married actress Emily Stoffel in 2009.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
Or Stoffle, however you pronounce that, stoffel,
we're in America.
It was Stoffel.
We make everything sound likeit's just about to be stuffed.
It is.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
Stoffle, so their union lasted an eternity for
Hollywood Finally fizzling outin 2023 when she filed for
divorce.
So how long is that that's like?
14 years 14 years, yeah, andthat's eternity for him too.
Yeah, that's not so bad,because him and Mary Sweeney
only had not even a year, right?

(01:11:32):
You know, maybe she saw InlandEmpire and it just destroyed it
for her it could have been.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
Yeah, this is what you were working on the whole
time.
It's like the end of theShining when she finally reads
the book.
Yeah, this is trash.
You abandon your family 19hours a day for this movie.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
Yeah, so they had one child together, named Lula, in
2012.
And she was named after LauraDern's character in Wild at
Heart.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Oh, very cute.

Speaker 8 (01:12:02):
And during the divorce, Emily requested full
custody.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
I'm sure David wasn't super upset.

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
Maybe he was.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
His kids said he was not a traditional dad.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
He doesn't strike me as a guy that catches feelings.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
In a traditional sense he catches ideas, yeah,
not feelings.
I don't want to see himpontificate over a dirty diaper
Just change it, David.
Look, David, they don't likethe mud hole.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
Stop making them go into it.
I dug it for them.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
It's like clay.
Just feel it between yourfingers.
Dad, I'm going to go playNintendo now.

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Can I just play football like every other kid.
Please, why would you want todo that?

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
So he ended up having one kid with each wife.
With Peggy, he had JenniferLynch, who became a filmmaker
herself, okay, and her big moviewas Boxing Helena, which was
very controversial.
I don't know, google it, okay,it's the one where Kim Basinger
was set to star in it, thendropped out and had to pay

(01:13:07):
millions of dollars for breakingthe contract.
Oh, wow, why did she drop out?
Because the movie is crazy.
It's about a guy that kidnapsthis woman he's obsessed with
and then and then cuts off herlimbs and puts her in a box.
Oh, I've seen that now.
The title Boxing Helena.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Oh my God, yeah, that's her at the end of the
film there, really, yeah, sothat's not nice.
No, beautiful actress.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
Yeah, that's Sherilyn Fenn from Twin Peaks.
Yes, so yeah.
There's Jennifer.

Speaker 6 (01:13:38):
Lynch oh 56 now good for her.

Speaker 8 (01:13:41):
And then he had a son named austin with mary fisk,
and then he had a son namedriley with mary sweeney I will
say she looks just like him,jennifer oh yeah, and then the
sons.
They have done their own artprojects through the years and
David Lynch would work on thosewith them, so they definitely

(01:14:03):
bonded over their love ofexperimental film and art.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
I think he'd be a great father to adult children.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Oh, yes, exactly so.
Yeah, they all loved him todeath.
So it just yeah, he wasn't.
Obviously it wasn't theconventional.
Leave it to Beaver.
Well, thank God, you don't wantto see, wasn't the conventional
?
Leave it to beaver.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
Well, thank God, you don't want to see the deleted
scenes of leave it to beaver.
A lot of abuse.

Speaker 8 (01:14:27):
Leave it to the mud hole.
And speaking of mud holes,let's get to the pandemic.
Oh boy, yeah.
So the endless chain ofcigarettes finally caught up
with him and, in 2020, lynch wasdiagnosed with emphysema, which
uh, you know, it's a chroniclung condition that you can't

(01:14:49):
breathe right that suckshorrifying also known as copd uh
, caused by lifetime of smokingand we covered this on okay bud.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
They also say he was slightly dehydrated.

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
Yeah, that was one of the causes he was parched.

Speaker 8 (01:15:04):
Yeah, so he was a little thirsty at the end too.
Yeah, you just get him aGatorade.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
What are we talking?
About here Could have saved hiswhole life.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
His blood is coffee, truly.

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
Coffee and cigarettes .
They say that life imitates art, so let's see this scene from
the straight story.
Oh boy, when the doctor istalking to Alvin straight before
his lawnmower ride, yes, andhear that you smoke.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
My guess is you're in the early stages of emphysema
and, alvin, you have circulationproblems and I'm worried about
your diet.
If you don't make some changesquickly, there will be some
serious consequences.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Damn Wow.
And he's telling it to a guywho already heard that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:51):
Yeah, that's crazy Right, and that was true.
And did he make those changes?
Yes, no.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
No, but he did make the change to stop drinking.

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
Yeah, that was many years before that, but he didn't
stop smoking until two yearsafter he was diagnosed, until
the moment where he could notphysically move without gasping
for air.
Oh, that sucks, yeah.
Despite that, though, duringthe pandemic, he relaunched his

(01:16:25):
daily weather report, and thelast one was posted in December
2022.
And why don't we take a listen?
Let's do it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Good morning.
It's December 16, 2022.
And, if you can believe it,it's a Friday once again here in
LA a cloudy morning, quite abreeze blowing right now 50

(01:17:01):
degrees Fahrenheit, 10 Celsius.
Today I was thinking about thesong the World Spins and I
believe it was mine and Angeloand Julie's favorite song we did
together and Angelo and Julie'sfavorite song we did together

(01:17:23):
and I think it's from the year1987, maybe 86, 87, somewhere in
there this afternoon it'll begoing up to 68 degrees
Fahrenheit, that's 20 Celsius,and it looks like partly cloudy

(01:17:47):
all along the way.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
Everyone have a great day, partly cloudy, with a
chance of meatballs for it.
Hey, you can hear himstruggling.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
Yeah, it sounds partly cloudy in his lungs, oh
jeez so funny though I know, andI know and so upbeat still.
And there's also some poignancythere, because he mentions
Julie Cruz, the singer from TwinPeaks, and Angelo Badalamenti,
his longtime collaborator as acomposer, like some of the best

(01:18:20):
music in cinema, if you ask me,the scores he created.
Well, both julie and angelodied in 2022, so they were
already gone when he filmed thislast weather report, wow, and
another, in fact, actually 2022.
A lot of people from Twin Peaksdied, coincidentally, yeah,

(01:18:43):
including Julie Cruz, angeloBadalamenti, david Warner, al
Strobel, lenny Van Dolan andKenneth Walsh All actors from
Twin Peaks, wow.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
Yeah, they got lucky not to see the shit show that
was oh yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, they got lucky not to seethe shit show that was oh yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
Another final thing in 2022 was his last on-screen
movie appearance.
He played director John Ford inSteven Spielberg's the
Fablemans Hmm, Spielberg, See,they are Jewish in that one.
Yes, they are.
And of David Lynch's casting,Steven Spielberg said it was one

(01:19:26):
of his heroes playing one ofhis heroes.
Okay, so Kyle isn't that kindof nice.
That's pretty cool, Is thatJohn Ford?

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Wasn't he notoriously racist yeah?
Did he make?
Birth of a Nation or something.

Speaker 8 (01:19:38):
Was that John Ford?
No, that was DW Griffith.
What do I know?

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
I'm not supposed to be smart on this show.

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
He made the Searchers , okay.
But yes, in some of his moviesJohn Wayne is trying to kill
Indians.
Oh, wow, you take the good withthe bad.
Okay.
And Steven Spielberg, you know,maybe has done some
questionable things.
We're not sure.
Nothing confirmed.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Well, if Kyle has it his way.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
Someone requested that Kyle go off on Spielberg
again, so here you go, kyle,here's your mic.

Speaker 7 (01:20:13):
Innocent until proven guilty.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
Wow Listen to him Wow , that's gross, you should have
heard the poltergeist episode.

Speaker 8 (01:20:21):
He's like Spielberg is a pedophile.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
He is a pedophile.
He's coming down.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
He's going to be exposed.
I actually regret encouraginghim.
Now the truth will come tolight.
Yeah, david Lynch hit an Easteregg in his cameo.
Maybe Hit an Easter egg up hisass.
Et doesn't like finger.
So, starting in 2023, davidLynch was involuntarily

(01:20:52):
homebound and he required asupplemental oxygen machine just
to stand up.
But he stayed optimistic and heeven entertained the idea of
directing a movie remotely oneday.
Might have been interesting,had it happened.
Couldn't have been worse thanInland Empire, according to you.

(01:21:12):
It looks like it was directed bya Zoom call.
No, it's not a bad thing, it'scool Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
You're fighting with yourself.
Alejandro now is fighting withAlejandro, then.

Speaker 8 (01:21:26):
David Lynch vowed to never retire.
In August 2024, he publiclyrevealed his condition emphysema
, and a month later he made hisfinal public appearance period
via Zoom for the MeditateAmerica Gala.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
And here's his speech Ladies and gentlemen, good
evening.
I hope you all are enjoying awonderful night.
I'd like to talk a little bitabout nothing, and this nothing
is the transcendent, it's theunified field.
It's no hyphen thing, it's pureconsciousness.

(01:22:09):
Tonight you've probably heard alot about consciousness is all
there is, and I've heard manytalks Maharishi would refer to,
sometimes refer to thistranscendent as nothing, but it
has the potential for everything.

Speaker 7 (01:22:30):
I like that yeah it's beautiful Death he's talking
about.

Speaker 8 (01:22:33):
Right, and that was right around the corner and he
sounds okay in that one.
Like the other one he soundedlike Darth Vader, and this one
he sounds like anakin skywalkerright.
So it's like maybe he thoughthe was getting better too.

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
Yeah, so lynch opened up to people magazine of all of
all things, such a basicmagazine for him to do the tell
all in a way it's fitting withthe you know, the sort sort of
the kitsch of Americana that heloved.

Speaker 8 (01:23:04):
Yeah, so he did an interview with them in November
2024.
And he said what you sow iswhat you reap, and that his
illness was a big price to payfor something that brought him
so much joy, which was smoking.
Quote.
I don't regret it.
It was important to me.
I wish what every addict wishesfor, that what we love is good

(01:23:29):
for us.
I never thought about it asglamorizing it.
It was a part of life.
Some characters would besmokers just like in real life,
and while he didn't regretsmoking, he hoped that other
smokers could take him as anexample.
Quote.
I really wanted to get thisacross.
Think about it.

(01:23:50):
You can quit these things thatare going to end up killing you.
I owe it to them and to myselfto say that, yeah, wow.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
But he doesn't.
He may not fully mean that.
Because he admitted it, itbrought him a lot of joy, yeah,
so he understands that a lot ofother people.
It brings him a lot of joy too.

Speaker 8 (01:24:10):
And would he have created the same art without it?
I don't think so.
Who knows?
No, in his final days, lynchcould hardly walk across his
bedroom.
He described the feeling ashaving a plastic bag wrapped
around his head.
Oh Jesus, much like LauraPalmer.
Yes, in January 2025, lynch wasevacuated from his Hollywood

(01:24:36):
home due to the wildfires.
These events preceded a sharpdecline in his health and sadly,
he died from complications ofemphysema at his daughter's home
on January 16th, age 78.
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
It's already been a month, mm-hmm, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:24:56):
That is crazy, and what a way to go Like.
That must have been sounsettling to see the land he
loved possibly burning down.
Everything got smoked up,mm-hmm, ooh Jeez.
Just as much a nightmare asanything in his movies.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:25:14):
It was such a crazy day too, because he died the
same day that Bob Euchre died,right oh yeah, that was Just a
weird day.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
Two very different people, right, oh yeah, that was
Just a weird day.
Two very different people, yeah, two very Speaking of Americana
.
Bob Euchre and David Lynchrepresent two different sides of
America.

Speaker 8 (01:25:30):
And personal for us.
The Milwaukee Brewers,absolutely, and he's from
Milwaukee Euchre.
They're both American originals, american originals, and they
both had a wicked sense of humor.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
So funny, just a bit outside.

Speaker 8 (01:25:44):
Yeah, so Lynch's family released a statement
quote it is with deep regretthat we his family, that's so
formal, that we his family youguys are like don't make fun of
them, what.

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
What are they supposed to say?

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
I don't know, I don't give a fuck, fuck dead isn't
that isn't that a little stifflike yeah, we know you're the
family, yeah, okay anyway, it'sa press release I'm trying out a
new bit anyway it's calledblame the family making fun of
mourning family.

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
I'm seeing what's a little fancy and you losers.

Speaker 8 (01:26:17):
It's a good new bit I'm seeing what sticks like when
you throw spaghetti at the wallyes.
Yes, or four meatballs.
Throw families in.
Yes, all right, let's do thisagain.
Statement from the family.
It is with deep regret that we,his family, announce the
passing of the man and theartist David Lynch.
We would appreciate someprivacy at this time.

(01:26:37):
Who are these assholes thatwant?

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
some privacy at this time.

Speaker 8 (01:26:41):
There's a big hole in the world now that he's no
longer with us Absolutely.
But, as he would say, keep youreye on the donut and not on the
hole.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
I love that.
I'm going to remember that.
Keep your eye on the donut andnot on the hole.
I love that.

Speaker 8 (01:26:56):
And a death certificate from the LA County
Department of Public Healthrevealed that Lynch died from
cardiac arrest due to chronicobstructive pulmonary disease or
dehydration.

Speaker 6 (01:27:09):
Oh, poor guy, A little bit of both.
Yeah, almost parched.

Speaker 8 (01:27:14):
Oh my God.
And now we've done it.
We have completed the story ofDavid Lynch.
Wow, Unbelievable.
And that brings us to FinalThoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:27:26):
What a life.
It's an amazing.
We're very blessed to have hadhim in our existence in our
short time here on Earth.
Yeah, david Lynch an icon.
And I love not knowing.
I love that he lets people sitin not knowing and that's the
whole point and it's very funand it's different than the MCU.

(01:27:49):
Oh yeah, david Lynch is a trueartist.

Speaker 8 (01:27:52):
And that's what makes his movies stand the test of
time.
Right, because they're not easyto define and they almost
demand rewatching.
And you certainly can rewatchthem again and again, like when
it's been a few years.
I'll revisit Wild at Heart, orI can watch Twin Peaks all over

(01:28:13):
again and find new things in it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:14):
So choose your own adventure in a way yeah, really,
I think the log lady did it.
Oh, just like Ted Bundy.

Speaker 7 (01:28:24):
Kyle, what are your thoughts?
I mean, this was an amazingforay into the life and death of
David Lynch and I'm actuallysad that I haven't seen the
majority of his work.
So I'm definitely going to goback and watch Twin Peaks and
report back to you guys andeverybody else what part I'm at
and where the hell my brain isat.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
I thought Laura Palmer was pretty hot.
The review from Kyle Ploof isin.
Yeah, she's kind of a babe.
I went to kill her yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
I studied Mulholland Drive in college and Lost
Highway.
I saw from you recently so Iwas kind of familiar with his
work but you didn't know what tomake of it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:04):
Yeah, exactly, it wasn't one.
You were immediately praising.
You were like, yeah, we watchedit.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
I loved when his head got split by the coffee table.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
That's a good review.

Speaker 8 (01:29:14):
Oh, I thought of another connection in Lost
Highway.
It also features the actorMichael Massey, who shot brandon
lee on the set of the crowaccidentally, like it was not
his fault.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
He's the unfortunate guy that had the dummy bullet
yeah, in his gun, yeah and I'lltake him for life so yeah, he's
actually in that same scene withrobert blake.

Speaker 8 (01:29:39):
he's the host of the party.
Yeah, so another interestinglittle connection there.

Speaker 7 (01:29:43):
Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 8 (01:29:44):
There is, there definitely is in the Lynchverse
David Lynch casting is just likehave you killed anybody?

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Yeah, we're looking to cast.

Speaker 8 (01:29:53):
Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't cast OJ in
it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
That would have been something.

Speaker 8 (01:29:59):
You know, because there's the thing they call
stunt casting.
Like John Waters always putwhat's her name, patty Hearst,
in all his movies, do we thinkthat the smoking like was it
worth it, like he had a goodlife?

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
right, yes, the only one who can determine that is
him, and he said pretty much yes, yeah, I don't know Whatever I
mean.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Everyone pretty much yes, yeah, I don't know Whatever
I mean, everyone's gotsomething.

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
Right, that's true.
Do what makes you happy,because we're all going to go
anyway, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
I mean, who knows, maybe if he wasn't smoking he
would have taken a left insteadof a right, because he didn't
have to go to the cigarettestore.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
Yeah, and then we take diverting paths.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
And he's still around .
He's still.
He's probably just heard youcriticize his family for
mourning wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
Ha, ha yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
Fucked me.
Well, huh, we, the family, weknow it's a family.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
I'm reading this and you it's a little formal, isn't
it?
Yeah, we, the family.

Speaker 8 (01:30:58):
And I saw you get up during Inland Empire to go to
the bathroom, so you did not see, it All right.
Well, do you hear that?

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Oh, I think I do.
You've got mail.
Okay, we got a few good reviewshere.
The reviews are in Nice andthey are in Nice and they are
good.
Oh good, let's see.
Jane Doe was talking aboutcommented on our first David
Lynch episode, saying I rememberhow you guys are fellow Lynch

(01:31:33):
fans, especially Alejandro fromthe Jack Nance episode, nice.
I wondered if you would do anepisode on Lynch and I'm so
happy that you did.
Thank you for another greatepisode.
If you're looking for anyfuture episode ideas, please
consider doing one on DorothyStratton, which is something
that you've talked about beforeA Playboy episode yes,
definitely in the works.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
Kyle was talking about it.
Yesterday I looked it up.
Yeah 20 years old.

Speaker 7 (01:31:54):
Crazy.
Not a banjo.
We got Jane Doe and then not aband.
Yeah, really great episode.
I've been bummed ever since hestopped doing his daily YouTube
show, and then, obviously, thereal blow of his death.
Any excuse to go back and watchhis stuff, though, I suppose,
especially his groundbreakingrole in the Cleveland Show.
You did a great job capturinghim.

(01:32:15):
Can't wait for part two.
Well, I hope you enjoyed parttwo.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
Yeah, there was a lot to learn here.
Let's see.
Yeah, love the episode.
I'm a fan of David Lynch butstill learned a lot about him
and his career.
Ben Kay on the episode is abonus.

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
Thank you, oh for sure Great to be joining the
team and that was from Zom.

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
Yes, short for zombie .
I think, oh, there we go.
Yes, short for zombie.
I think, oh, there we go.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
And we got a very nice email from vanessa, who is
a super fan of okay bud.

Speaker 8 (01:32:48):
Oh fantastic, thank you, vanessa.
Um, do you have that?
It's right here on the sheet.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Oh, yeah, okay uh, vanessa said, not gonna lie, I
wouldn't have found you guys ifben kissel hadn't been a guest
on the show.
And I only have one issue withthe podcast.
Oh, oh god, the issue.
I didn't find it sooner thankgod, oh, the internet giveth and
taketh yeah I'm constantlylaughing literally out loud at
work and have to remind myselfof two things I'm not alone in
the room and death shouldn't bethat funny but it can be, it

(01:33:15):
can't.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
We're all, as kyle said, we're all facing it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Yes, every day now that ben has joined I, when are
we going to get some Alejandroon Okay bud?

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
I'll make a cameo at some point, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
His jokes are the best.
Thanks for the laughs and keepthe great entertainment coming.
Vanessa PS.
I would love to hear you guystell the Timothy, Timothy
Treadwell story.

Speaker 8 (01:33:35):
That's another one that's on.
You know what do you call it Ondeck yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
These Hollywood people keep on dying.
The show is going to lastforever.

Speaker 7 (01:33:44):
Yes, Anderson Slade.
We got some comments here.
If you haven't heard, we do allthe live broadcasting for OK
Bud and Death and Entertainmenton patreoncom.
Slash diebud because we arejoining forces to podcast on
Patreon.

Speaker 8 (01:33:58):
Joining forces, much like the Backstreet Boys and New
Kids on the Block.
Yes, hey wow.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
We could compare to those guys all the time.
Yes, anderson Slade says hisDune was superior.
Yes, wow, a lot of people A hottake.

Speaker 8 (01:34:13):
Yeah oh, I'm finding more and more through the years
people are sort of likingLynch's Dune.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
Yeah.
Shannon saying Watch Bottom ofthe World and let me know if you
think it's Lynchian.
Hmm, okay.
Kelsey saying you guys arehilarious.
Thank you so much.
Anna saying interesting.
Personally I don't want to likethe new Dune, but Dune 2 just
turned me and now I love him.

Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
Oh, okay.
Well, that's allowed too,especially since David Lynch
really didn't feel a connectionto his Dune anyway, yeah.
He doesn't even call it hismovie.
No.

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
Vanessa.
We just read her email.
She also was telling us in thisepisode that she was recently
diagnosed with COPD.
She said it's no joke, wasrecently diagnosed, but it can
be managed.
Okay, good, that's good, I hopeyou're feeling better yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
Hang in there, Vanessa.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
That's, vanessa.
Yeah, we love you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:01):
And we certainly had our issues with breathing last
summer and into All last yearyeah, all last year, basically.
So I can you know, like it's nojoke, it's really terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just getting over the whooping
cough we got last year.

Speaker 8 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I know.
So I'm just wishing good healthfor everybody, everyone,
absolutely yeah um all right,what else, ben?
What do we?
Got anything else to?

Speaker 6 (01:35:28):
well, we're doing okay, bud, you can watch those
on youtube.
They'll be out two weeks afterthe patreon sees them, so
obviously it's still patreonexclusive, so it's worth the 10
bucks a month.
And yeah, just okay, bud, we'reloving it and at some point
we'll probably do some liveshows.
Yeah, I don't know around theCalifornia area.

Speaker 7 (01:35:46):
Yes, you've got to get out and see the people in
person.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Yeah, Super excited to be back and doing what I love
the most, which is broadcastingand podcasting, and thank you
all so much for your supportover this time.
Yes and yeah, we'll have somemore fun ahead.
Yeah, all right, everyone Hailyourselves.
We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 7 (01:36:03):
And until next week.

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
Don't go dying on us.
Bye-bye, bye.
You have just heard a trueHollywood murder mystery.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
I have never seen anything like this before the
movies, Broadway, music,television, all of it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:22):
A place that manufactures nightmares?

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Okay, everybody that television all of it A place
that manufactures nightmares.
Okay, everybody, that's a wrap.
Good night.
Please drive home carefully andcome back again soon.

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