Episode 182: The 5th Annual Halloween Spooktackular!

The 5th Annual Halloween Spooktackular takes the audience on a road trip from Green Bay, to Miami and then up to Boston to recount some of the scariest stories from each of the host's backyards!

Episode Transcript

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are honored to bring you the 5thannual Halloween Spooktag You
but. Jerry's first.
Yes, and my first two. Halloween ain't dead yet.
Yeah, I got my yeah, my Freddy Krueger on Jerry.
What are you? I'm a I'm a New York tourist.
Nothing scarier than that. There is.
OK, you know what? I bought this sweater at JFK

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airport. Nice people coming up to be
like, you know where the L trainis.
Do you know where Lennon was shot?
I'm actually looking where Lennon was shot.
It's. Like dude, you're in the Upper
East Side. Oh, is this where London was
shot? I'm Cheese, AKA a Packers fan.
Hello. I got my cheese sorting on my
cheese football got my cheese head.
I got my sweet little jacket that was made by a wonderful

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fan. And Betty 2 Chainz.
No Betty, Three chains. I just noticed that.
The golden G baby it's. The golden G?
Well, it's a silver GI. Mean.
Oh my God. Good.
This is good. The good thing about all of the
cheese shaped things is you can definitely fashion any one of
these things to be a dildo. That's very true.
A cheese dildo. Nothing could go wrong there.

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Deep. Fried terror.
I love it. So if you guys don't know if
this is your first Halloween Sputacular, we do.
We cover stories that are representative of the places the
hosts are from. So we're going to Wisconsin, to
Miami. Oh, and to Boston.
Let's get in the car. We got a road trip.
We we do have the trifecta of different kinds of crazy, yeah.

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It's our tri-state area, yes. Here we go.

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So we're going to start in the Midwest.
Let's go. Imagine driving home through
Green Bay, WI on a humid August night in 2016.
I'm. Going to go to the bathroom,
Daddy. I'm going to go to the bathroom,
Daddy. It's a little humid.
It gets humid. It does, yes.
It's 2:00 AM The street lights flicker.
You pull up to an intersection. They're in the darkness, it's a

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Piggly Wiggly and you know everything's going to be just
fine. There's a clown standing there.
Absolutely not. White face, baggy black and
white jumpsuit. A handful of black balloons
swaying in the wind. No way.
Just standing there. No way.
Staring at you, Jerry. A little on the nose with the
black balloons. Come on.

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Art. Could be it.
Sounds like Art the Clown. Yeah, this was before right
Before art, yes. That's why I feel like you're
trying to scare me and you're just kidding.
It's not. It's real.
It's so real. Oh my God.
Yep, Art the Clown or Pennywise.Who wins in that fantasy fight?
Oh, Art the Clown. I'm gonna go with Pennywise.
He's a demonic spawn alien who'sactually a huge spider.

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Yeah, he comes from a different Galaxy.
Art also has demonic powers. And then, like, you know, some
sort of weird stuff going on, but we don't know yet because
the next terror terror fire isn't out yet.
Got it. Yeah, he's origin story.
Well he better not turn into a fucking spider.
No. Or a guy from Wisconsin or.
A Roach. Because here in Wisconsin,
there's no circus tent, no party, no reason.

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Just a clown alone under a bridge in the middle of the
night. And nobody's sober.
No, yeah, yeah, it's really fucking creepy.
She's farts going through the wind.
It looks like fog. It's all scary.
Cheddar farts through the air. You lock your doors within 24
hours. Photos of this thing flood

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Facebook. People in Green Bay swear it's
real. And when they swear, they say
things like heck. Oh my.
God. Oh, is UFTA?
Does that make it to Wisconsin? Or is Wisconsin?
Brufta. Oh, I thought it was Minnetonka.
I thought it was Minnesota. No, UFTA, that's your, that's
what we're taking UFTA. UFTA.

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I've never even heard this. The first time I've ever heard.
That it's very white people shitif you're see.
I see it's y'all's culture. We do have culture, damn it.
It's chili cheese fries, and it's standing up or sitting down
and saying the word. UFTA bending over.
That's gonna get you in. UFTA opening the door.
UFTA. Any any movement is an UFTA
orgasm. UFTA.

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UFTA, that was a good shot there.
Yeah. Sorry, it's in your eye there.
Yeah, Oh my God. Want to flush that out?
UFTA. News outlets start picking this
thing up, and just like that, America's short but terrifying
obsession with evil clowns begins.
Yes, tonight we're going back towhere the nightmare started.
The clown panic of Wisconsin, hey.

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Man clown. Panic.
Yeah, and local news is in Wisconsin's.
Great. It's like local news in LA or
New York, but everyone's 50 lbs heavier.
And all of the stories, again, are about clowns and Donuts and
overall treats. Yeah.
The stakes are much lower. Very.
Low or it's Jeffrey Dahmer who ate a bunch of fucking people,
Yeah. There's no in between.

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No in between. Wow, that's insane.
It all started with five blurry photos posted online in early
August 2016. They showed a clown wandering
under a bridge near Mason St. inGreen Bay.
The same outfit every time. Black and white jumpsuit, white
gloves, creepy grin. And those now iconic black
balloons. I guess locals called them Gags
the Clown. Oh my God.

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Glock. Glock.
Oh my God. He's just blowing guys under the
bridge. There's he's 'cause he's, he's
always. Maybe he was just like a twink
and he was like Oh my God, gagged.
Gags, gags the clown. Gagged Call me gag arena
because. I am gags.
I am gagged the house down bootswhat?

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Great, We're going to bring thatword back.
No, gag me with a spoon 12. Yeah, I.
Know. The Internet called him the
nightmare fuel that never sleeps.
Pictures were shared thousands of times.
Within hours, Green Bay police started getting calls, people
saying this clown was lurking near kids, hiding behind
dumpsters, staring through windows.

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None of it was confirmed, but the panic was real.
Gags was out there gagging and. No one and no one was like going
up to him and being like, hey, what the fuck are you doing?
Hey. It's Wisconsin.
It's Wisconsin. It's so interesting, 'cause it's
just not this. Would this would be handled so
quickly? Christopher, don't bother the
clown, OK? He's staring through your wind.

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Don't bother the clown, Christopher.
But it's rude to stare. Well, he's he's a clown.
He's allowed to do that here in Wisconsin.
We're a clown, people. You are now you are now you are
because the place. Of course, we know it's known
for cheese curds and Packers football.
Let's go. Green Bay suddenly had a new
mascot, and he wasn't holding a foam finger.

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Oh, he was holding a knife. No, he was holding balloons.
Yeah, yeah. Gagged me with a foam finger.
Oh my God. Soon the clown wasn't just in
Wisconsin anymore. Reports started popping up
everywhere. Did you take a little clown car?
50 of them jumped out North Carolina, Kentucky, Ohio, New
York, then California. Sightings got Wilder.

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A clown with a machete chasing kids into the woods.
And I would like. To.
I would like to point out the clown did not go to Philadelphia
because Philadelphians would have killed it.
Yeah, stomped them. Right out I could see that.
I could see that. And is this the the with the
what? He was running around chasing
kids with what? A machete.
Oh shit, that's scaring, Yeah. Elevated clown work.

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Right. Yeah, seriously.
Did you have like some like somelarge corn to cut now at the
same time? He's gagging on it.
Yeah, a clown. They he was knocking on car
windows at midnight. Another one was spotted near a
school playground just standing there.
No, no, don't do that. Yeah, I don't like that social
media turned into a clown apocalypse tracker.
Parents were freaking out, schools banned clown costumes

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and even Ronald McDonald took a few weeks off for safety
reasons. I remember this and McDonald's
has not brought Ronald back. No, they're they're trying to
push grimace the the taste bud. Exactly.
Why is that? Because Ronald, they literally I
was, I read a whole article about this.
McDonald's said clowns are tainted.
No one like clowns anymore. I don't think they ever.

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Did they got rid of Ronald? People used to love clowns.
I still like clownery. I was fine with clowns.
I've never been afraid of clowns.
Never mind. I guess I never got like,
stalked by a clown, right? My mother also had a bunch of
clown figurines when she was like growing up.
So I guess I thought it was fine.
And then I saw right through theMcDonald's parties where the
dude was just finished smoking acigarette, stomped him out and

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then came out and was like, hey,kids.
And then he like started and I was like, Oh yeah, that's,
that's a guy right there. My name is Ronnie McDonald.
I was incarcerated. Yeah, seriously, that guy's on
the clock. It turns out the original Green
Bay Clown wasn't just some random psycho, it was a

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marketing stunt, no. Was it?
Yeah. Oh my God that's so messed up.
For what? Scared this just scare the shit
out of people. Yeah, well, there's this guy
Adam Krause, right? He's a local filmmaker and he
created Gags the Clown to promote his upcoming horror
short, aptly titled Gags the Clown.

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No. He never expected it to blow up
nationwide, but it did. Damn.
But so that's the clown, but I'mthe one that's gagged.
I am. I'm really upset by all this.
Yeah, no, this is weird. Like that's not even nice.
It's not even nice. Prank.
Yeah, yeah. It's like, be sure to drink your

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Oval, teen. It's like when a Christmas
story, you find out it was all just an advertisement the entire
time. Yeah, I want a fucking killer
clown. I was promised a killer Green
Bay clown. Oh shit.
I don't. God damn it.
Well, we may get some good because these five photos they
were carefully staged. The black balloons, a visual
calling card, the bridge location chosen for atmosphere.

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The clown himself just an actor doing late night promo shots is.
It a union gig. No, and that's why it's so
scary. Yeah.
Got no insurance? Gag did not have sag.
Very sad. But when people started losing
their minds, the film makers stayed quiet.
They watched as police departments, news outlets and
terrified parents around the country spun it into a full

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blown crisis. By the time they admitted it was
a stunt, the damage was done. The Green Bay clown had gone
viral, and now everyone wanted their own.
So after the Wisconsin is a cultural trend center, Yeah.
After that, everyone's like, I want to be a scary clown.
I want. To be a clown.
Wait, you were. No, you didn't.
You didn't get me. I was playing along with it.

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I also thought it was fun to be like oh I'm.
Scared after the Green Bay sightings, things turned darker.
Teenagers were arrested for carrying weapons while dressed
as clowns. Someone threatened schools in
Pennsylvania dressed as a clown.Even a few kids claimed they
were chased. But almost all reports, you
know, a lot of the reports endedup being in mass hysteria.

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I believe that, yeah. Yeah.
I mean honestly, for schools clowns, that would be such a
nice issue to have. Yeah.
They're making, they're making gun without.
They're making guns with balloons.
Yeah, that'd be better than realguns.
Seriously. And then if you're in Miami, you
just be like, oh, they're finally, they, they finally
stopped fucking in the stalls. They're just dressing up as

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clowns now. Thank God.
Maybe the STD rate can go down for these teenagers.
Yeah. Is the clown molesting anyone at
the school? No, he's just kind of like
standing behind the playground. Yeah, he's fine.
He's fine. It's.
Nice to have somebody watch, yeah?
It's like, oh shit, so I can take a?
Break You know the clowns watching the priest molestment.
That's. Oh wow.
Catholic school, OH. Shit Catholics?

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Yep. I was never molested, no.
Unlucky you, you weren't the chosen 1.
I know. Dozens of clown incidents
clogged 911 lines. Real clowns, birthday
performers, hospital volunteers all started losing gigs.
And unemployment is the real terror.
OK, so wait, so. There's nothing sadder than

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someone with half clown makeup in the unemployment line.
Yeah, I also didn't realize thiswas a thing, but I guess it is.
The World Clown Association had to issue a public statement
saying please stop dressing as horror clowns.
You're ruining it for the rest of us.
That's funny. Well, you know fucking clowns
are global phenomenon. Scary clowns are a global

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phenomenon. We can't get enough of them.
And if we loved happy clowns, right, Happy clowns would be
taking over. Exactly.
And also, to have a happy clown,don't you have to have a scary
clown? It's true and I will take a
clown. Clowns are less scary to me than
a mime. Mimes are the scariest.
Oh yeah, mimes are weird. They are weird, they're
annoying. At least a clown will

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occasionally speak. Your silence is deafening.
It is all they can do is pull rope and be in a box.
Yeah, get out of that box, folks.
Find a new thing. I'll put them in a box.
Gag them in there. Yeah, somewhere in Wisconsin, a
grown man had to step up to defend clowns like an endangered
species, that World Clown Association guy.

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Thank God. I mean, honestly, again, a bad
rap. You got Pennywise, John Wayne
Gacy? Yep.
He, I think hands down made a bad name for clowns.
He did. He was the real whore.
He really was. And then he kept on painting
them. Yeah.
Seriously. Yeah, like.
What do you think, Lily? What are you, Frida Kahlo?
Shut up. Stupid your eyebrows don't

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connect. Yeah, yeah.
I think his pubic hair to his asshole probably did though.
Oh wow. Yeah, the old reverse mustache,
the. Old reverser.
Yeah, so the next time you're driving late night through Green
Bay and you see a flicker of movement under the bridge, don't
slow down. I will not.
I will now don't. Stop to take a picture.
I will now. Just remember, it all started

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here with one clown. Five photos in a world that
couldn't look away. And what and what year was?
It 2016. Well, it's interesting so, but
what was the project? Again, gags the clown.
It was like a short film. It didn't.
So this is actually one of the stranger words.
The marketing became much largerthan the product and the product
kind of got lost. Oh yeah, so it didn't really

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work and I looked it up, it got like 2 out of 10 stars on IMDBI.
Guess. Oh, you want to make something
good? Because I think people were
pissed and they're like, fuck this movie, fuck that guy.
Oh, yeah, I guess, like, I guessyeah, you got to be maybe just
let people know. Yeah, just let people know it's
a marketing stunt. Right, I, I agree.
I hate being tricked like that. And it's happened.
It happens all the time. Yeah, but now we're getting in

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the car. We're going South from Wisconsin
all the way to South Beach. Oh.
Snap. Miami, FL.
You know. Get your Suns, get your
sunscreen, kids. It's real warm out there in
Miami. It's very hot, don't you?
I hate when movies go to Miami and then they always start
playing like the the Cuban music.

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Yeah, they go to. Mexico it always has to be like
a yellow filter for some reason.Yes.
Oh yeah, the hills are yellow. Got it, Got it.
We're in Mexico. That's true.
Cuban Pete. So yes, Miami, the home of The
Golden Girls. And yes, Miss Jerry Aquino.
Yeah, for eight years. Eight years, yeah, that's a good

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time. Yeah, it was a good time.
Yeah, I was an unfortunate time.It really, it really detrimented
my development. Oh, it was formative.
They were. That's called formative years.
Formative years. Yes.
It shaped a part of me, unfortunately man it.
Was high school wasn't. It it was.
Yeah, 8 years of high school. And middle school and middle
school. I feel like it's a fun place for

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high school. It was a fun place, Yeah, lots
of candy. Yeah.
How do you even focus on school?All the you couldn't, no.
No, no, the parties. The weekend started like on
Wednesday. Yeah.
Yeah, and they ended like on Monday.
It's fun. And then Wisconsin was like, we
got a clown under a bridge. Miami is like we have loads of
cocaine. Yeah, they do 'cause Miami, FL.

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It's where the sun kisses the ocean, the drinks come with
umbrellas, they do. And even the murders have style.
Yeah, hopefully not like Cuban hacky flare style that Jenny was
talking about. Right, right.
Not, no, no. More like pink and blue neon
lights. Yeah, you ever see people that
are like completely fucking baked in the sun in Florida?

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But then yeah, their drink has the umbrella, but I think they
need the umbrella for themselvesbecause they're they're bacon.
They don't want the umbrella. Yeah, they don't want the
umbrella. I don't know it is.
They're leather. You have to be leather and to be
leather. Is beautiful.
It is beautiful out there. I agree.
I poked myself in the eye with one of those goddamn umbrellas.
Ohh you got to use a straw when you have a drink with one of

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those. Yeah, you do.
You can't just go eye first intoa drink.
It's tough out there. It is tough out there.
It's also for this story. The 1960s neon lights hum over
ocean. Dr. Sinatra croons from every
hotel bar. An old retirees flock S to
escape the cold. But in the middle of all this

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sunshine and swagger, something evil moved in.
Oh. My.
God, what? Cuban American, the way of pigs.
I know the big of pigs is so cute.
It was like we were all going todie in a nuclear, in a Holocaust
of nuclear weapons. And they're like, we'll call it
the Bay of Pigs. Oh.

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My God. Someone who didn't care about
the beach, the bikinis or the brass section of the Rat Pack.
Someone who preferred the quiet,the control.
Kill Somebody moved to Miami forthe quiet and the control.
Yes, seriously, there's zero. There's. 0% of any of that you?
Want to go to Minnesota for that?

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Yeah, they called him the Miami Strangler.
Was it Dexter? No.
This is 1960s. It wasn't.
Wasn't Dexter in Miami? For a time, yes.
They really, they filmed it in Long Beach, but they called it
Miami. They did, Yeah.
If you go and see the Long Beachskyline, it's fucking Dexter.
That's so funny. Oh my God, I can't believe they
fooled me. Oh, they got us all.

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You can't believe anything you see on television.
No. So they called him the Miami
Strangler, even though strangling was only one of his
many hobbies. Oh guys, I would like to point
out that I have more of a diversified killer than just the
Miami Strangler. It's like you get, you get just
honed into like your one mainstream kill.
But all of my deep cut kills arereally worth looking into.

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It's called typecasting and I think it's sick, yeah.
Between 1964 and 1970, at least nine women were murdered in
Miami. Smothered, shot, bludgeoned,
strangled. What is?
Up. Different methods.
Strange police report. What is up?
What is up? We all knew.

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Everyone knew the same thing. A predator was loose in
paradise. Oh my God.
Yeah, there's and there's a couple.
Yeah, you do have to really excel at killing to stand out in
a place like Miami, I know. Seriously, you've got, I mean,
you've got energy vampires. Oh, mood killers, party
promoters. Oh my JS.

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Yes, there's the there's the horrors are never ending.
And there's some cartel activityout there, isn't there?
There is definitely cartel activity out there.
In Miami 1964, it was a postcardfantasy.
Taurus came to tan. Crooks came to hustle and
retirees came to die of old age,not murder.
No, not murder. So when Mary Mcgreevy's death

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hit the news, police chalked it up to a burglary gone wrong.
That would change a year later. Also OK, but are you going to
try to like solve it? No.
It's just a burglary gone wrong.It is what you know, these
things happen. So it's just like a Mulligan
type situation where it's like, OK.
Why does everyone keep doing that?
Yeah. March 8th, 1965 Sylvia Valdez,

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38 years old, divorced, worked at a laundry mat.
She left work late one night in her Chevy sedan and never made
it home a park. A parking attendant said he saw
her talking to two Cuban men about a flat tire.
Just about 1:00. Not that she had one.
Yeah, we just pulled over to talk about flat tires.
Where are these flat tires? Now sometimes the the tire got

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air in it, another time there's more flat.
No, my, my, my tire isn't. My tire isn't flat.
All right. Well, I just wanted to pull you
over just in case You you didn'tknow the difference.
Kind of interesting, isn't that?It's very no.
Some are flat, some aren't flat.No, it's like when you're it's
like when you're bartending and the a patron asks to see a
bottle so that they can hold on to it while the mansplain to you

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the origin of that whiskey. So this is actually an angry
orchard, right? And I'm not sure if you know
this comes from an, an orchard that's a little upset.
Yeah, it's apples, but mostly green apples actually.
But they have a red apple on theon the on the cover.
I know anyway. I'm gonna go pretend not to be
gay. Yeah.

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The next morning, she was found inside of her car, not alive.
Oh. I'm just, you know, for some
reason, when elderly people get killed, they made it so far in
life, you know, if I get past 50without being killed, leave me
alone. I've already done it.
Yeah. It's like, it's like insulting
to be killed at old age. It is insulting.

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I want to be killed of old age. Exactly.
Yeah, come on now. Now she was shot twice behind
the right ear, a black silk scarf wrapped around her neck,
her skirt pulled over her head. Oh my.
Purse and shoes were gone. What?
Well, that's a flat thing. That's a messed up.
Yeah. That's so funny.
Just the disrespect. It is the disrespect.

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I mean, that and the gunshots, that's what hurts the most.
And honestly, what shoes was shewearing?
Shoes are important. Yeah, and she still had her
diamond ring on her finger, which is also.
It was personal. It was not a robbery, Yeah.
That's another reminder that Miami is different than
Wisconsin. She worked at a laundromat.
She had heels on a dress diamondring and was were sweatpant

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people in Wisconsin. Yeah.
And the fact that she dressed upto go watch people do laundry is
amazing. She Miami are heeled people.
Yeah, we. Need we need heels.
They need the curves out, we need the, we need a little
cleavage going on. Just to do nothing.
To, to, to Uber deliver. Yep, I.
Love that about Miami. It's amazing.
Yeah, it's kind of awesome. I'm gonna die there.

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I'm dying in Florida. I already know there.
You go. There were no signs of sexual
assault. Whoever killed her wasn't
interested in pleasure. Are you serious?
They were interested in control,Yeah, so I guess when he took
the purse, it's more of like a trophy thing over like robbing
her. Because obviously if he was
robbing her he would have taken the ring and pawned it and all
that shit. I know, but it's the whole skirt
over the head thing. Yeah, he's being a little silly,

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I think. Imagine, Imagine me running
around the skirts over my head and I'm like no, no, wait, no,
nothing's nothing's happening. The skirt's over my head but
nothing's happening. Are you kidding?
What the fuck? Jerry, put your skirt down.
It's like I just OK. All right, all.
Right. No.
Believe my shoes. Come on.
Leave the shoes. Come.
On. The police again shrugged it

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off. Miami had bigger things to worry
about. Fidel Castro was 90 miles away.
The city was exploding with refugees and homicide detectives
had their hands full. So they were like, we're not
having. There's too much shit going on.
Yeah, dude, haven't you heard ofsomeone called Tony Montana?
We're trying to make sure he doesn't exist.
Yeah, they're too busy to care about this old woman.
Yeah, I'd say. It ain't right.

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So then silence for two years, until February of 1966 when 44
year old Bernadita Gonzalez disappeared.
She was missing for eight weeks before her body turned up in the
Levitz Lake. The autopsy showed blunt force
trauma, her skull crushed by something heavy, maybe a
hatchet. That makes 3 dead women, each

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killed in a different way, smothered, shot and beaten.
OK. And.
What a weird game of rock, paperscissors.
Yeah, I don't like that they're shot and.
Beaten Go. Right.
Which one with what? What beats what it's being shot
beats being smothered but then being crushed.
Might be beaten, might beat, Beaten being shot.
I think you. I think being smothered beats

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being shot because you put a pillow.
Over them. Oh, that's true.
Pillow covers the bullet. Sort of the paper over the rock.
I thought we were talking as like a victim, like what would
you rather be? Would you rather be smothered or
shot? I would rather just be shot
just. Definitely.
Just shoot me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just shoot me.
But I'm just being within the context because because paper
doesn't actually beat rock by covering it it.

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Doesn't Right, right. True.
It's one of the kind of one of the fallacies there.
If this was the same guy, he wasn't just murdering, he was
improvising. Oh, that's even fucking warrant.
Oh man, all right. You can be a murderer, but you
cannot be an improviser. I need a suggestion.
Everyone knows that when I shootthe gun and you're dead, I'm

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like, no, we're not going to go anywhere with the scene, OK?
I'm dead. Yep, sorry, Mr. Father of the
Serial Killer. Not only was he a killer, he
also was into improv comedy. No, you.
You raised a real dud. Seriously.
The police didn't connect the dots.
Not yet. Because in Miami, everything
moved fast except the homicide unit, OK?

(26:41):
First of all, nothing moved fastmoves fast.
Miami shakes. I've seen people shaking out.
There's cocaine. It speeds everything up a little
bit. Now we Fast forward to August
16th, 1969. The Beatles are breaking up.
Neil Armstrong just walked on the moon, apparently.
Supposedly. Supposedly.
Probably not. Oh my God, it's not that hard to

(27:01):
believe. I don't know.
I don't know it's. Fine, I don't care about this
argument. He may have.
He probably did. He probably did, yeah.
He. Did it?
Doesn't matter at all. It really doesn't.
That's The funny thing about it.It doesn't matter.
It was the space race versus theRussians and the Chinese.
I mean, there was a lot on stake.
There was, there was a good reason to maybe fake it, but
also, yeah, wow, you landed on that big old rock and you kind

(27:22):
of walked on it a little bit. Yeah.
We didn't get any information out of the fucking thing, No.
Did you like bring some back? The only I hope they brought
some back at least to study. They did bring some back and the
only thing I learned is it ain'tmade they were.
Like, Oh yeah, well, that, that right, there's moon, and that's
really a moon rock right there. But if you really want to try a
moon rock, you want to try this shit that I got from my dude in

(27:44):
Miami. Yeah, it's fucking pure.
And back on earth in Miami, 21 year old Chevron Dolores Wooten
is found strangled. Conceived at a Chevron Chevron.
We named her after that. That's sweet.
SHERIVON Chevron Chevron Beautiful.

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She was young, beautiful, vibrant, not your typical victim
of a random home invasion. Her body was discovered with
fingernail marks on her neck, her clothing pulled up over her.
Chest seems to be consistent. And this is the first one that
actually got attention. Miami wasn't used to serial
crime. Organized crime, sure, cocaine

(28:27):
smuggling? Give it a few years.
But serial murder? That was something out of Boston
or New York. Yeah, serial killers are from
the cold. When when you're when you're
hot. Why would you?
Why would you be like trying to kill?
It's too hot to kill. I completely fucking agree,
don't you? With the humidity, Oh my God, if
I was like going to Miami to murder and then like I walked

(28:47):
out and felt that humidity, I'd be like, Oh my God, like I would
just stabbing is such a drag right now.
I just want to lay down under the fan.
Yep. So I think both of you guys are
already kind of Miami is a fast city when they're inside in a
club and they're moving. But people move slow in Florida
because they eat. Yeah, you can't be going that

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fast. You're going to die.
So just like the Boston Strangler, the press started
using the name Strangler Copycat.
Yeah, and then just as fast, thekiller changes tactics again.
He's really the skirt flipper. He.
Flips the skirt, yeah. Skirt flipper.
Oh you fucking skirt flipping fuck.
But he's not like, doing anything nefarious after that.

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That's why he's just a skirt flipping.
Fuck yeah, he's like now you look silly with your skirt over
your head. Yeah, look at you.
Get yourself back together. He'll look like a Flosy.
Could have gone without the embarrassment.
Yeah. Just kill me, please.
Seriously. May 5th, 1970 Mary Louise Clark
Danford, a lot of names 64 yearsold, is found dead inside her

(29:49):
home. Leave these old biddies alone.
The window was open do. You call her an old, bitty old
biddy. I love that.
I haven't heard that term in forever.
Yeah. We're all going to be old
biddies one day, yeah. Biddies.
She was. She was actually strangled
again, underwear missing. The cops barely had time to
process the scene before anotherbody showed up.
He stole the granny panties. Less than a month later, June

(30:13):
2nd, 1970, Ruth. Ruth Boner.
But I barely even know her. Boehner boner or beaner boner?
Either way, I still don't know her like that.
She was also 64. Strangled, beaten, beaten down.
Nightgown pushed up over her head.

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Her hyoid bone, the smaller boneunder your chin that snaps when
you're throttled, was broken. Thank.
You for asking? I was just about to ask.
Yeah. I was like, the what?
Bone. Yeah.
Ouch. The two older women, both
strangled, both sexually staged.Sexually interesting.
So provocative. Yeah.
Like it's a woman serial murder.Oh my.

(30:56):
Oh. That's why she's not, that's why
she's not replying them. She's just embarrassing them.
Oh, a real Regina George of murders.
She's sassing them. She's.
Sassing. Them wow, look at you.
You look tacky. We need to go to every bingo
hall in Miami and see what the feuds are.

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Seriously. Two months later, August 5th,
another Maddie Harris, 84, strangled in her kitchen with a
necktie. Jesus.
And a necktie might be it might be a woman trying to be like,
oh, a guy did this 'cause it's aguy's tie.
Yeah, again, nightgown. And.
They're older ladies. Nightgown pulled up over her
head. Wow.

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What a strange calling card. Don't forget to pull the
nightgown over their heads. That's so they know it's me.
Detectives started admitting theobvious.
Miami had a serial killer, but even as police ramped up
patrols, they were always a stepbehind.
October 10th, 1970 Regina Bonanno, 48, a deaf mute woman
leaving living alone, was found tied to her bed, a bra and scarf

(32:01):
around her neck, panties stuffedin her mouth, her head jammed
inside a pillowcase. Well, that's not, that's just
distress. That's so distress it's
insulting. She's not.
I'm not even going to say anything.
I'm mute and you're going to putsomething in my mouth anyway.
Rude. Jesus.
Yeah. Not needed, is it?
Not needed. Unbelievable. 16 days later,

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another body, Patrice Finer Newkirk, 36, found in the trunk
of her own car, bludgeoned, skull fractured, A torn piece of
her dress used as a ligature. Her purse, underwear and shoes,
again, are missing. Is he like Benjamin Buttoning in
this? He's getting younger with the
with the kills. Yeah, he's a.
Shoe guy OK, sorry, this is me. I'm like trying to detective

(32:46):
this case as if it's like a new thing and I'm like, I'm a
detective. I can do this.
Yeah, women locked their doors, slept with knives, begged the
city for curfews, and the cops had nothing.
Yeah, I wouldn't sleep with a knife.
And yeah, she might have asked. It was.
Go over on it, yeah. I don't.
I feel like I don't remember this.
You might roll over and suffocate your favorite knife if

(33:07):
you do that, yeah. Investigators eventually found a
thread, a name, Calvin Jones Junior.
He was a truck driver, had four prior felonies.
He'd changed Sylvia Valdez's tire the night she disappeared.
He also knew Patrice Newkirk. That's more than a coincidence.
What about Patrice Oldkirk? Sorry, that was so.

(33:28):
We don't know. We don't know.
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry.
Police brought him in, questioned him, ran him through
the ringer, but they couldn't make a case.
No fingerprints, no witnesses, no confession.
Wow. And just like that, he walked
out the door. To truck drive again.
Yep, as if truck drivers needed any more Flack.

(33:48):
There are a lot of serial killertruck drivers out there, but
most aren't. So it just happened until it
didn't? Yep, that's.
Insane. The task force that was, you
know, assigned to these cases, they were disbanded.
The leads dried up. The Miami The Miami Strangler
vanished into the humid air. So like, not one of them was

(34:10):
like, this is the case. I'm going to solve.
I'm going to work on this the rest of my life.
They were just like, yeah. It's kind of done.
It's over. Well, put a bow on it, folks.
But they didn't. But they didn't solve it.
Yeah, it's kind of like that's that's kind of like one of like
the deck, the deck calls that like will just start like
blasting you for like months that you owe money.
And then it's like if you don't pick it up for long enough, it
just stops. It just stops, Yeah, I keep on

(34:30):
blocking them. They keep on getting new numbers
and stuff. There was no arrests, no trial,
no closure, just nine women gone.
That's not cool. And everyone just being like,
well that sucks for them I guess.
You got away with it, Dang. Yep, the murders stopped after
1970, but that doesn't mean the fear did.
Right. Yeah, with nobody in custody.

(34:51):
Yep. So the Miami Strangler never got
a face, never a fingerprint, never a mug shot.
He probably just moved on to go kill what they called lot
lizards, which is sex workers who hang out in the in the truck
stops. Lot lizards.
It's a. Holy shit.
My dad told me that. It's it's not nice.
Wow, that's not nice at. All it's a fuck a lot lizard.

(35:12):
It's a freeway to get a ride, but it ain't a cheap one.
It lasts with you for a while. Yeah.
Yeah. So that is the scariness.
The. So next time you're sipping a
mojito in the warm Miami night, just remember the city wasn't
built on dreams. It was built on bodies.
Whoa. And cocaine.
And cocaine, which which again means a lot of bodies.

(35:32):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, A.
Lot of people killed in that drug war.
Yeah. Seriously.
Interesting. Miami is so nice.
Don't kill, Yeah. So crazy.
What if literally considering this wasn't song, I really
thought you were gonna give me an answer here.
Nope. I was thinking of the dude that
really likes the shoes. What's his name?
Was it Jerry something or? Other oh, brutos.
Brutos. Didn't he collect?

(35:53):
Shoes. Yeah, Jerry Brutos collected
shoes, but I don't think he was out in that area.
He was not in that area. Yeah, he doesn't look like the
Miami type. No he doesn't.
Not enough chest hair? Could have been a woman.
It could have been, but it takesa lot of strength to strangle
somebody to death. It does.
Oh. Really.
But they were all older women. Except for the younger one.
Except for the younger, there's.A couple of young ones, yeah.
Yeah, let's come on, It's a patriarchy.

(36:15):
You can't men have anything still.
Yeah, Oh my God. We did it.
Oh God, I'm just saying it's possible.
It is possible, you never know it.
Could be, and it could be the best reason why she didn't get
caught. Yeah, that's very possible.
Because they are running around looking for a dude.
Exactly. Now we bang a right up
Interstate 95 and go all the wayto Boston, MA.

(36:37):
Off we go to Boston. All right, take your sunscreen
off, kids. We're going to Boston.
Yeah, don't be a fucking queer. Mom.
What? Why are you saying that to me,
mom? Yeah, the ocean never forgets.
It spits things back up, bottles, bones and secrets.

(36:58):
Not the Malaysian plane though. No, Yeah, that's the only thing
it can. Damn, damn.
Dude, jeez. I actually don't know if I agree
with that whole entire premise. A lot of things get lost in the
ocean, yeah. Well, it's sometimes TB.
Cooper, back up. Yeah.
For Amelia Earhart, yeah, No, but sometimes it does spit
things back on this. Alien spaceships haven't come up
yet. It never forgets.
That's true. Yeah, yes, it holds on, but then

(37:20):
it spits things back up every once in a while.
True, true. Every now and then it whispers
the name of some one Boston would rather not remember.
Whitey Bulger. Marky, Mark.
Oh, that's the one. Donnie Wahlberg.
He's married to fucking Jenny McCarthy.
I know, and they're still talking about vaccines giving
you autism and all that. There's nothing more autistic

(37:41):
than talking about how vaccines give you autism.
Whatever he colors in his beard does he he does.
Sometimes you gotta. You do.
I mean, I guess you're insecure.Labor Day weekend 1961 Salisbury
Beach was the kind of place you went to forget the city's grime,
a long strip of beer, salt air and bad decisions.

(38:01):
So also like to live in the grime.
No, you get away from it. Salisbury Beach was kind of nice
back in the day, was it? Yeah.
So it's it's north of the city and it's his own little thing.
All right. So they'd be guys from
Somerville over there. Somerville, which is we would
call Slomerville. I see.
It was. It was grimy.
Got it, Got it. Yes, the slums.

(38:24):
Yes, Charlestown got guys from there would go over there, Cops
on vacation, criminals on vacation.
Everybody was mixing up together.
That's hilarious. Just cops and criminals gambling
and like forgetting which like who each other's were.
And they're like, oh, aren't we both the same thing, you know?
There is a fine line between us,let's be honest.
Yeah. You're just on the wrong side of

(38:44):
it. And there would be girls in cat
eye sunglasses all mixed together.
Oh. I remember those.
The sun. The sun burned off the
hangovers, and nobody thought twice about who was standing
next to whom. Among the crowd that weekend
were men from Buddy McLean, Buddy Mclean's Winter Hill Crew,
the Somerville side of the Boston Irish underworld.

(39:05):
That is, it's an adorable name. Yeah.
The Winter Hill crew, it sounds like they're just like,
sometimes we steal chocolate, sometimes we give you chocolate.
Like that is considering probably what they've done to
people. The Winter Hill Gang is is
adorable. Yeah, they were tough, loyal and
quick with their fists. Yeah, but of the winter heel

(39:26):
gang. See.
Yeah, so Buddy knew a guy named Bill Hickey, and Bill was there.
He fancied himself like a gangster, but he was really just
a supermarket manager and he thought he was a tough
motherfucker. He wasn't there at this point,
but his his wife, Anne Hickey, was there and a lot of people
knew her. She was like Helena Troy, most

(39:47):
beautiful woman. There's a book that recounts the
Boston Irish mob wars that said that it it was rumored that Anne
quote, had the best breasts in Boston.
Holy shit. Yeah.
So she was packing heat. Wow, the breast.
The best breasts in Boston. Triple B.
Whoa. And and I'm hoping that that
meant natural. Yeah.

(40:09):
I wouldn't get implants in Boston there yet.
No, no. When did the implant first
start? We'll figure.
Probably in Miami. Yeah, that's for sure.
Yeah. That's a Ben Kissel side quest
for the episode. I'll do a little.
Research. OK, perfect.
So they would stay in cottages up there.
And at 1 Cottage that weekend, there was a dude named George
McLaughlin of Charlestown. He was the youngest of the

(40:30):
McLaughlin brothers. Loud, reckless, already half
pickled by noon. Those, those trio of guys were
the other big Irish outfit in Boston.
They'd worked alongside Mclain'screw on a few jobs.
Uneasy allies bound by money more than trust.
I believe that, yeah. Yeah, as the afternoon wore on,
George kept drinking, bragging and staggering.

(40:52):
Then, according to family accounts and Boston history
books, he crossed the line that would burn the city down.
He cornered Anne Hickey, drunk and mean, putting his hands on
her where they didn't belong. She pushed him off, humiliated
and furious. Word shot through the town
before anyone could even leave the scene.
Oh, this dude's about to get got.
Yeah, Bill Hickey found out about it and he's in the produce

(41:17):
section somewhere getting fucking irate.
Yeah, 'cause he's like, I'm not a supermarket manager, I'm a
fucking gangster. He's yeah.
He's like, I'll show you where to put these fucking eggs.
Yeah. Y'all fucking church.
Yeah, squeezing all the melons, being like, just like my wife,
just like my wife. Not my not like my wife.
And then he throws that one away.
Yeah. I'm also a first breast implant

(41:38):
1895. Whoa.
Believe it or not, a German surgeon Vincent Schnurzy used
fat from a patients hip to put it in her tit hip tits Wow.
And it was after a tumor removal.
So the first breast implant was actually for not not just for
cosmetic reasons, wow, but 18 and 95.

(41:59):
Like, well, if you're going to remove some shit and you got
some extra stuff that can go back in, why don't you just put
them in right here? Bobby, I know where to put them.
Yeah. So there you go.
Leave it to the Germans. Yeah, that's nice.
Yeah, so Bill Hickey, he's all pissed off.
He's ready to fucking kill the The McLaughlin brothers in
Somerville circles. There was no debate, no
committee. You touched a friend's wife.

(42:20):
You paid for it. Mm.
Hmm. That night, Bill Hickey and
several cohorts met up with George.
Nobody remembers which alley, which car, which street.
What they remember is the beating.
They beat the shit out of this guy half to death.
And the McLaughlin brothers are like, you know, the psychopaths
of Boston. And they run a lot of shit.

(42:41):
If they get hurt and word gets out and they know it's you,
they're coming after you. Oh.
Mama. He was bleeding, broke his face
was caved in and they start, they threw him onto a boat in
the in the ocean and they started pushing it out.
Oh, and Hickey comes out of her cottage because they had it
right there on the beach and she's like, what are you guys
doing? She yelled at them to bring the

(43:02):
boat back and drive him to the hospital.
Oh, she saved his life. She saved his life.
The guy that sexually assaulted her.
Yeah. Yeah.
She's like, I do not want him tofucking die because of me.
Yeah. And because she blamed herself
for some reason, as people do. Because women do that shit.
I know. It's very sad, yeah.
But yeah, but it's the same sometimes.
She's fucking, she's, you know, she's a purse.
She's like, she's a full-fledgedperson.

(43:24):
Yeah, she doesn't want she's. Very like, God damn it.
All right, fine. Put put the guns down.
Let's fucking take him to the hospital.
He's learned his lesson. Yeah.
So they throw him in the back ofthe car and he's choking on his
own blood in the back seat the whole way to the hospital.
They leave him outside because they're like, all right, we
brought him the hospital. We're not going to like fucking
get him in there and check him in ourselves.
So fuck this guy gonna. Fucking sit in a chair and write

(43:46):
down his fucking birth date. Exactly what?
Do you want me to beat myself upand check myself into the
hospital too, you know? What am I his legal fucking
cardian for? So they leave him on the ground
outside the hospital, bleeding and broken, half dead.
They figured it was over. Teach the drunk a lesson, go
home. Yeah, but George McLaughlin did
not die that night. And in Charlestown, surviving

(44:06):
meant revenge. So he got out of the hospital,
you know, days later, swollen, wired shut and seething.
Oh gosh, do you guys have any soup?
God, it's too bad I live in fucking Boston.
Do we even have soup in fucking Boston?
Do. You.
Yeah, they have to. It's cold.
A lot of people in Boston talk like that anyway because they're

(44:27):
always so fucking angry. Yeah, that's true.
And fucking cheddar. Do you remember that people were
getting their jaws wired so theywould stop eating?
What, in the 90s? No.
Yeah. It was like a three.
It was like a month long procedure.
That's like dedication. Yeah.
It's. Not got.
My wired I got my jaw wired shutso I wouldn't have to eat so
much. That's ridiculous.
Yeah, people did that. Yeah, he got his wired shut

(44:49):
because he touched a man's wife.The doctor said it was a miracle
he survived. His brothers Bernie and Edward
Punchy McLaughlin didn't call ita miracle.
They called it a fucking insult.Yeah, you better die, you
fucking asshole. And Charlestown ran on pride.
You hit one of theirs, You hit them all.
And if you embarrass the Mclaughlin's, you might as well
have spat on the whole neighborhood.

(45:11):
Wow, don't do that. That might actually clean it up.
Yeah. But the brothers decided there
had to be payback. But he he even understood the
code before the bullets come thetalk.
So the brothers went to see Buddy McClain in Somerville.
Now, Buddy McLean was like the godfather of the Irish mob.
And he was very fair. He, you know, would be violent

(45:33):
if he had to, but everyone respected him.
They had a code. Like if you know there was a a
turf war going on and you knew where the people, everyone knew
where everyone lived, right? But you were not allowed to go
to a man's house because wife and children were off limits.
So they fucking actually had a code.
It's not like these people just shooting into random houses now
like fucking assholes. Yeah, yeah.
There was, you know, rules of engagement.

(45:55):
OK so buddy he was a lean good looking kid and like that Irish
kid next doorway and lethal whencrossed.
Oh, like that Irish kid next doorway?
Yeah. Exactly.
He had come up as a truck driverand a boxer before running the
Winter Hill Gang, a crew that combined brawlers, bookmakers
and ex cons who actually paid their tabs.

(46:15):
Good for them. Yeah.
So the McLaughlin showed up to Buddy's door and they're, like,
expecting diplomacy. They told Buddy what George had
done and what had happened on Salisbury Beach.
They wanted the men who had donethe beating, Bill Hickey among
them, turned over because they wanted their fucking pound of
flesh. I.
Mean, come on, the guy deserved to get beat up.

(46:36):
Yeah. Yeah, honestly, where's where?
Why couldn't they just be like, you fucked up idiot.
Sorry, my brother's an idiot. Yeah, just shut up and stay back
there, you idiot. You know, so he supposedly said
the the Mclaughlin's were like, you give us the guys and it's
over. So buddy, you know, politely
listened. He nodded.
He poured them all a drink and then when they were drinking

(46:59):
their drink he told them absolutely not.
He wasn't going to hand over hisown people, especially not them,
because what he had done was so egregious.
He wanted the McLaughlin brothers to apologize for what
they've done and fucking squash it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that basically that guy was
basically like, you know, that'snot like, that's not like fully
a guy you can't hit, but that's not exactly a guy you can't you,

(47:21):
you can't not hit. You can't hit however that line
goes. So he had.
He pretty much told them if yourbrother can't hold his liquor,
that's on him. Fuck him.
Tell him to keep his hands to himself next time.
That's fucking fair. It's very fair.
That's fucking fair. Yeah, that line made it back to
Charlestown faster than the streetcars to the Mclaughlin's.

(47:42):
It wasn't just defiance, it was humiliation.
Oh. My God.
And so he had been, you know, embarrassed and told to pound
sand and that that pride, that hurt ego, turned into rage.
Yes, and if you # sand, you actually get glass.
Which is interesting. Nice, you do.
Yeah, glass is made out of the sand.
Holy shit. And then you can bottle somebody

(48:04):
with it. Yeah, there you go.
Full circle. Not long after that meeting,
Buddy's wife found a strange package under her car.
It was a bomb. No.
Rigged to explode when the engine turned on.
The engine was turned on. The device had been put there
days before and buddy's wife wasdriving around with their kids
in the car, not knowing that they had a car bomb strapped to

(48:26):
it the whole fucking time. So the device never going off
but he spotted it in time. Oh no.
Wow, that's so lucky and so infuriating.
The Mclaughlin's, whoever they got to rig it, they was a
fucking idiot and did it wrong. So luckily it never went off,
but the message was clear. Shit is going down,

(48:50):
motherfucker. Says whoa.
You just come home after you're supposed to put a car bomb in
the car with a bunch of loose parts and you're like, I don't
know what these are for the. Manual says that I'm going to
need everything but it's weird came with all these extra
things. Yeah, by the autumn of 61, you
could feel the tension across Boston.
The old timer said it was like electricity and the
cobblestones. Somerville guys started carrying

(49:12):
shotguns in their trunks. Charlestown guys sat with their
backs to the walls and bars. The city was small, the streets
closer than family, and there was no hiding from what was
coming. Yeah, another championship by
the Boston Celtics. Seriously, they always fucking
win. Bernie's body was barely cold

(49:34):
when Charlestown started talkingabout payback, so they ended up
shooting one of the McLaughlin brothers.
Good fucking found him. He was like parked up next to an
18 Wheeler in the middle of the road and they were like pop,
pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
Dead shit. Damn, one down.
Yeah, so when they found out about the, like, car bomb in
Buddy Mcclane's car, they eventually came back to Buddy

(49:56):
and said if you don't help us, we're going to fucking kill you.
And this is what happens. I'll help you and SO.
Wasn't that funny? But he's like, you threatened to
fucking kill me, now I'm going to kill one of your brothers.
Oh shit. So he's behind that.
His boys fucking shoot up one ofthe Mclaughlin's.
It was in broad daylight in front of a police station on
their side of the river. Seems like it's endless violence

(50:16):
isn't? It.
Yeah, it's senseless. It's senseless.
Yeah, which movie is this, by the way?
Not one that has have been made yet.
Tom Cruise on the rights to it several years ago.
Oh, there is a movie based on the OR there was a screenplay?
There's been Hollywood projects that have been on and off Dennis
Lehane had one for a second but he his the rights to his ran up.
Oh shit. But this is up for grabs.

(50:38):
Holy shit. Yeah, maybe I'll take it.
Take it. Buy it.
Take. It Buddy McClain knew that he
was on their turf, killing theirguy.
He didn't give a fuck. He didn't hide.
The point of the murder was to show them the line.
You tried to blow up my wife. You touched my friend's family.
I'll walk into your neighborhoodand kill your fucking boss.

(50:59):
That is a, that's a, you know, that is a conundrum that only
happens in Boston. Yeah, seriously, that's a lot.
That's called. That's called Boston Math right
there. That is Boston Met 1 + 1 + 1 +
1. Now I'm mad at you.
Yeah. That's also how people with the
list say Boston, Mass. Boston Math.
Boston. Math.
For that ass. Boston Math Yeah, from Boston,

(51:22):
Mass. I'm with the I'm with the
fucking the Hill crew. Oh my God.
Oh my God. But the thing about a blood feud
is that it never ends. Right, that's the thing.
Charlestown's problem was simple.
Buddy was harder to kill than Bernie.
Buddy was careful, Buddy was loved, and Buddy had Somerville
behind him. Bernie was a big name, but

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Buddy? He was a force of nature.
Yeah, he was. Buddy.
So the McLaughlin crew did what every outgun crew does.
They went after the people around him.
No, yeah, that's fucked. Oh my.
God buddy is going to have no buddies.
I hate this. I hate.
This You had guys getting shot, you had guys getting shot
getting into cars. You had guys disappearing after

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quote going to talk to someone in Everett.
You had Cruise cruising around with shotguns across their laps
and firing out the window at thefirst people they.
Saw you. And if you get shot going into
your car, that's good. You're going to do an Oofta,
Yeah. Oofta fucking Oofta dog God damn
good. Like woofed up bro Good.

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You had mothers telling their sons to sit in the middle of the
backseat so they couldn't be hitfrom the sidewalk.
Oh my God, that's really horrible.
So that's like the one time where, like, the girls were
going nice. Yeah.
Like the? Mosquito.
Yeah, got him. That's the one time where, like,
the women are actually standing on the outer side of the
sidewalk to protect their men. Very chivalrous.

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Yeah, chivalry. Honey, get behind me.
Just. Get behind me and there's a lot
of gang activity happening. Well, they did feel a little bit
safer because, like I said, the women and children were off
limits. Yeah, that would soon change,
but. Oh no, I mean and honestly,
didn't they already call that off when they tried to strap a
bomb to their car? Yeah, the Mclaughlin's did.
Yeah, exactly. They fucked up.

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So in some houses, people would drop to the floor if they heard
a car backfiring. That wasn't nerves, it was
learned behavior and always, always in the background of it
all. This started because George put
his hands on the wrong woman. That was the quiet neighborhood
truth the papers could print, quote beach party assault or
woman's friend of a mob associate.

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But in Somerville kitchens it was That's Bill Hickey's wife,
Ann. Of course they beat him.
What did they think was going tohappen?
Right. Right.
The McLaughlin still wanted BillHickey and the men who did the
beating. So stupid.
This is going on for far too fucking long.
Right, that's what stings about the story, because if Buddy had

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just handed them over, maybe Boston never sees 40 plus.
It's actually 60 plus bodies. Wow.
Wow, but. Buddy wasn't built that way.
Like I said he was super fair. He although he was involved in
murder and gang activity, he still had a fucking head on his
shoulders like. He had a moral code about it.
Exactly. Yeah.
So, yeah, like I say, it's just chaos for years.

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Yes. So what are we left with?
We're left with a story that a lot of people outside Boston
tell wrong because there's this guy, Alex Rocco, and he was an
actor. He was in The Godfather.
He he claims he was involved in this Irish mob war and had to
escape it to become a part of Hollywood.
No, he wasn't. Crying And who was who exactly

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was he? I'm going to look.
Him up. He won an Emmy for Like the Life
of Teddy Z back. In the fucking mob, he wanted a
fucking Emmy, so he. Wanted he comes over like, you
know, I was an Irish mob and it was actually my girlfriend that
got attacked on that beach in Somerville.
So like people in Hollywood think that Alex Rocco's
girlfriend was the one that got assaulted.

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Wow, I could tell you. It's not true.
I could tell you for a fact thatit's not Alex Rocco's wife or a
girlfriend, because it was Bill Hickey's and those are my
fucking grandparents. Sorry, what?
Anne Hickey is my Nana. Anne Hickey is your grandmother.
Yes. What?
So my family's written about in like all these Boston fucking
Irish mob war history books and shit.

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It's fucking insane. I'm not messing with the bloops.
Are you fucking kidding me? Right, so Alex Rocco's dead, but
I would have loved to talk to him.
He died in 2015. But it's like, dude, why did you
just fucking totally Co-op the story That's.
Amazing. Shit.
Yeah, so Anne Hicks might. Get the rights to the story so
you. Should get the rights to the
story. Oh my God chills.
Did I just get? Chills.

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I went to the Chills I went to the Writers Guild.
It's a. Mobster.
Oh my God, Kyle's a mobster. Mobster adjacent, yeah.
This comes from a long line of mobsters.
We can't. Fuck with his family 'cause his
family comes from the family. You know, his grandmother caused
the death of like, 60 people, Yeah.
She did. So yeah, fucking Tom Cruise
actually owned this story. My cousin one Christmas probably

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15 years ago was, it was me, my mom, and my cousin drinking
after Christmas was over with the last three sitting like, you
know, left, last three left and we're all drinking together.
And my cousin's like, it's fucking crazy how Tom Cruise
owns the rights to our story. And I was like, what?
And my mom was like, shut the fuck up.
Like don't tell him. And then I found out then and at

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the time we were with my Nana was downstairs.
She had no idea that I know about any of it.
She passed away like 10 years ago before I even got to ask her
about. It.
My family swore me to secrecy until after, you know, she
passed or whatever, but. And now it's a.
Podcast. Yeah.
Oh my God, that's insane. It is.
It's nuts. And I talked to the guy who
wrote the Dallas Buyers Club during the Writers Guild like

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conference or whatever a few years ago and he's like, dude,
you have to fucking write this. He's like, you don't understand
how bad. I would love a family story like
this for me to write about. Oh my God.
So insane. Yeah.
I've talked to Dennis Lehane about it and he actually has
some notes on the story that he's gotten from insiders that
he said he would give me to helpwrite it.
You should fucking do do that. Oh God.

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That is a Halloween Spooktacular.
That is insane. God, Kyle.
Plume, Bloof Connection. Connection, Kyle, Connection.
What's really sad about all thisstuff like my Nana like went
into hiding. Like she didn't want anyone to
know anything about her. She like kind of just stayed

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completely off the fucking. Yeah, I can imagine.
There's a lot how to heat aroundher.
Yeah, but what was really nice is that she moved away to, like,
get away from Bill Hickey. He was a total piece of shit.
He ended up dying, like in a DUIin Texas in the 80s.
But she ran away with her family.
Her three kids went to the projects, like just fucking
didn't associate with anyone. There were people that showed up

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to harass her and her neighbor. This guy Charles came out with a
shotgun and was like get the fuck away from this woman and
her kids. If you ever come back here, I
will fucking kill you myself, and that is my grandfather.
Wow, Charles. Yeah, so they ended up having
three more kids, and that's the reason I'm alive.
Oh shit, that's. Insane.

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Look at that from. Born from the Irish War.
Yeah, seriously. It's fucking crazy to think
about, but it's true. Holy shit.
Yeah. Oh, Lord.
Well, that was fascinating. I guess I'm happy it all
happened. Yeah, for real.
Be satisfied. Wow, good wow.
If the hosts are satisfied, the crowd must.
Be. I think they are.
Yeah. All right.

(58:30):
Well, thank you all so much for listening to the 5th annual
Halloween Spooktacular. You know, you don't know.
You can't. You don't get to choose your
family. No, sometimes your family
chooses to kill a bunch of people.
That interesting. All right, everyone, love
yourself. Be yourself.
Hail yourself. What about final thoughts?

(58:52):
Wow, we got them. OK, well I just want to say real
quick my final thoughts. Maybe I'm going to sass Kyle
LESS from now. On That's right, that's a good
final thought. Don't be sassing the ball.
All right, I'm Jerry Akino. Until next week.
Don't go dying on us. Bye bye everybody, you have just

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