Force Ghosts: The Fallen Stars of Star Wars (Episode 164)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A long time ago, in a galaxy not that far away,
hollywood gave us Jedi smugglers, droids and Death Stars, but
behind the lightsabers and greenscreens lies a trail of space
dust, because some of ourbeloved Star Wars cast members
have boarded the final StarCruiser and there's no return
from hyperspace when you're sixfeet under.
From Sir Alec Guinness, whohated Star Wars more than the

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Empire hates Ewoks, to CarrieFisher, the
princess-turned-space mom whogave zero fucks till the very
end, and the actor who playedChewbacca, peter Mayhew, who
proves even the gentlest ofgiants, go to the dark side.
In this episode, we're digginginto the strange, brilliant,
tragic and, yes, sometimeshilariously awkward departures

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of people who made the Forcefeel real.
So grab your cloaks, pour ablue milk cocktail and prepare
for tales from beyond the outerrim.
We're covering everyone'sfavorite Death Stars from the
Star Wars franchise no longerwith us.
They are.
That's today on Death inEntertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Live from Los Angeles , 911,.
What is your emergency here inHollywood now?
Two counts of murder, injuryand death.
Oh my God, shocking new details.
That has stunned theentertainment world.
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms,just like in the movies.
What do you call this thinganyway?
Death in entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Greetings Deado Universe.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
What's up everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
How the heck are you?
My name is Kyle Ploof.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm Ben Kissel, Today's episode.
You thought the drama betweenDarth Vader and Luke Skywalker
was intense.
It's nothing compared to thebehind-the-scenes drama of Star
Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes, this is the podcast you're looking for.
So here we go All right, I meanStar Wars, obviously such an

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iconic franchise.
Do you remember the first,where you were when you first
got introduced?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, because the first thing I watched was Spaceballs.
I watched Mel Brooks'Spaceballs before I watched Star
Wars, and then I watched StarWars and I was like this isn't
funny at all.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, so you watched the parody before you even knew
what it was referencing.
Absolutely, that's funny.
I remember my cousin broughtover three of the movies in the
three VHS set, sure, and thatwas the first set I ever saw.
So I was like, oh my God, thisis going to be frigging huge.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Usually, when I say the words of the first set I
ever saw, I'm referring to myman boobs or breasts in a female
.
But all right, my balls, itworks.
Also, it was the greatestanti-US government propaganda
ever created.
Yeah, george Lucas,congratulations for that.
Yeah, george.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Lucas, congratulations for that.
Yeah, and I remember we wereprobably seven years old
somewhere around there and myfamily was throwing a party and
they came in and they're like oh, you're watching Star Wars, you
guys are going to love it,you're going to watch all three
movies, you're going to love itso much and it amped me up so
much to watch it and I was sohappy and proud to have gotten
through it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
But at that I to drink alone and have us not
bother them.
Well, there you go, Put itwhere it's at For a reason to
watch Star Wars.
Let the kids go watch Yoda doquestionable things with young
Jedis and then just give up anddie.
Molest you, I will.
All right, I'm done with myimpressions.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
So here we go.
We're starting off with MrObi-Wan Kenobi.
From the original trio ofmovies.
He was played by Alec Guinness.
All from the original trio ofmovies.
He was played by Alec Guinness.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
All right.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Alec Guinness.
De Cuff was his last name.
Hmm, so he, yeah, cut off thecuff.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
All right, just stuck with the Guinness.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, he was born on April 2nd 1914 in Maida Vale
London.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
No, I have not.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
His lineage was always shrouded in mystery, a
recurring theme in his life.
Apparently, his birthcertificate left the father's
name blank and throughout hislife Guinness suspected his true
father might have been aScottish banker.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, the nice thing about having the name blank when
it comes to father is you canmake it up.
Yeah, your dad can be anybody.
How many people out there wishthat their dad was just a blank
and then you could be like no,he's not a drug addict who lives
under a bridge.
Yeah, he's a multimillionairebanker who abandoned the family
because he wanted to go live ina suite in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, now I'm going to act about it.
Yeah, nice.
So his mother Agnes, she waseccentric, demanding.
So his mother Agnes, she waseccentric, demanding and often
emotionally unstable.
It's Agnes, yeah, singlemotherhood.
I mean, that's what you get init for.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, she's got to play both roles.
She's got to be the man and thewoman.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, it's very hard.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It is.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Guinness's early life was marked by financial
hardship and emotionalinstability, but from a young
age he found solace in a worldof performance.
Oh nice, you had to go out to,you know make believe I did as
well.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I remember I was first cast by the shoestring
players.
I played a tree, shoestringplayers.
Yeah, I played a tree clevercasting.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Did they call it that ?
Just because they tied yourshoes together and then watch me
fall over like a fat asshole.
No, but they did do that uh, heworked in advertising before
studying at the fay comptonstudio of dramatic art okay by
the age of 20.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
He was an understudy, like yourself and then you
stole the guy's job oh, that'sright, it bathed in arms, yeah,
in high school sure he they sayhis quick, his talent was just
immediately there.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
He served in the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve
during World War II.
Thank you for your service.
I mean not Come on.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Not really, it was the Volunteer Reserves.
It was the Volunteer Reservesand he was in the theater
department of the British ArmyNavy.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He, notably, was involved in the invasion of
Sicily.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
So he was there, oh Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And then he returned to acting with renewed
perspective and discipline.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Very good.
I can't imagine the Siciliansthat difficult to take.
They're a laid-back people.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
They nap during the day, heavy carb loads yeah you
know, when they don't have guns,because they're talking with
their hands?
Exactly, they're all Italianand shit.
So his breakthrough film camein David Lean's adaptations of
Dickens.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I've seen that before.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
He played Herbert Pocket in Great Expectations in
1946 and Fagin in Oliver Twistin 1948.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy, be careful, we're walking
the line there.
He sparked both acclaim andcontroversy.
Fagin and Oliver.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Twist in 1948.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, be careful,be careful, we're walking the
line there.
He sparked both acclaim andcontroversy due to the
character's stereotypicalportrayal.
So it might be, what's that?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, was he a gay character.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
They named the gay character Fagin.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
They might have.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
As long as he stayed on, brand drank Faggo and had a
good time with it In 1957,.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
he cemented his place in film history by starring in
Lean's epic the Bridge on theRiver Kwai.
His portrayal of ColonelNicholson earned him an Academy
Award for Best Actor.
So that's pretty freaking good.
That's something.
Yeah, it was a performancemarked by complexity, blending
pride, madness and militarydiscipline in equal measure.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
All right, I mean again, he was like third squad
Navy.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, come on.
Versatility was Guinness'calling card, they say, in 1949,
.
He was in a comedy, kind Heartsand Coronets, and he played
eight different characters.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Damn Good for him.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Each a member of an aristocratic family.
Okay, that's that word.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, it is Tough one .

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, the performance was a master class in character
transformation, both hilariousand haunting.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
So he had many roles before he worked for Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, so he was doing comedy and drama and losing
himself in the roles.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
He was a real theater guy, real actor's actor.
Exactly, exactly, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
He took roles in Lawrence of Arabia, dr Chivago
and A Passage to India.
Oh.
Each performance added to hisreputation as one of the most
meticulous and committed actorsof his time.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
All right, I like that Meticulous.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, so they're pretty much saying he's like the
Marlon Brando of his time.
I guess Got you.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Did he gain a lot of weight?
No, he didn't.
Was he in the Island of DrMoreau Then I don't think he was
Marlon Brando.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
No, he didn't sleep with Richard Pryor either, did
Marlon?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Brando yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, with.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Richard Pryor Mm-hmm, really, wow, so hot.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
One of them caught fire yeah that's a steamy scene
deleted from Hear no Evil, Seeno Evil.
Yeah, I think they were doingit on the set of Superman or
something.
Really yeah Good for them.
It was in 1977 that AlecGuinness became a household name
for an entirely new generationbecause George Lucas cast him as
Obi-Wwan kenobi in star wars.
I love it obi-wan.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, what's his real name?
Ben or something?
Ben kenobi, yeah it is benkenobi right.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Thank you yeah, finally, it's like pope bobby
being pope leo the 14th right.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
He's just making shit up I'm also really pissed, when
it comes to the new pope, thatthe the new york post didn't go
with da pope.
They went with chicago a playon Chicago Hope, which is a show
no one cares about.
Yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It was right there.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It really was, but let's get back to a robe of a
different kind.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes.
So he wanted George Lucas, ofcourse, he wanted gravitas and
he wanted a really respectedactor who could really sink his
teeth into the role, even thoughthey know it's like a space
opera.
It's a space opera, it's afantasy.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
But again, I was watching this great interview
with Mr Lucas and StevenSpielberg Maybe you've heard of
them and he was talking abouthow all of the rhetoric when it
comes to the parable that wasStar Wars is true as far as the
terrorist taking on the big badmachine that is the Death Star.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
So technically, USA, usa Well we were Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, we are the Death Star.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, and that's why it was such a huge hit
internationally, becauseeveryone just pictured us as
Darth Vader.
Yes, exactly Like, let'sfucking kill these guys, I'm
Luke Skywalker.
But even though he accepted therole as Darth Vader yes,
exactly Like, let's fucking killthese guys, I'm Luke Skywalker,
mm-hmm.
But even though he accepted therole and he actually got a
really good deal, he got likethe Jack Nicholson deal where 2%
of so Nicholson if you guysdon't know, he played the Joker,

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obviously in 1989's TimBurton's Batman, mm-hmm.
He got a certain percentage ofmerchandise sales.
Okay, batman, he got a certainpercentage of merchandise sales
and ended up becomingoutrageously rich.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Mr Alec Guinness, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi.
He made a deal which was like,if I'm going to be in this
schlock, then I want 2% of allthe movie gross across the world
.
Oh my, so he did really, reallywell.
I mean, that is a Jedi move,yeah, wow.
He wasn't a fan of the material.

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He referred to the dialogue asmumbo jumbo and later admitted
he regretted taking the part,despite earning that 2% of the
film's royalties, which made himincredibly wealthy.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Oh, please.
No, he doesn't regret that onebit.
What kind of clout is he tryingto maintain with the theater
community?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Seriously.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Mumbo.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Jumbo yeah, he's so scared of looking like he's sold
out.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Ah sell out.
Yeah, I say it's not aboutselling out, it's about buying
in.
Yes, someone else is going totake the money.
Exactly, might as well.
Be you.
Might as well, live comfortably.
Who cares?
Taco Bell Sure, it's the best.
Hell yeah, unless Del Tacocalls me, then Del Taco's the
best.
That's right.
Which Del Taco is the best?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, they come with good crinkle fries, so famously
he once wrote the bad pennyfirst dropped in San Francisco.
When a sweet-faced boy of 12years old told me proudly that
he had seen Star Wars over 100times, his mother proudly nodded
in agreement.
Looking into the boy's eyes, Ithought I detected little future
for him.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Wait what?
So he said this kid's going tobe a loser.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yes, because he saw his movie 100 times when he was
12 years old.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Little.
Does he know that kid grew upto be Bill Gates?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Guinness said he appreciated the money but
loathed the typecasting thatfollowed.
So I think it's a little bit ofsour grapes that he couldn't
escape.
You know, probably space Thomas.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Being Obi-Wan Kenobi.
He's not young Sheldon.
Yeah, as far as typecastinggoes, this role is at least.
You're a sage, you're wise.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
People go to you with respect.
I mean there's different like.
I mean, look at Jaleel White.
It took him so long to not beUrkel because he did such a
great job as Urkel.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't think he ever escaped it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean, I love Urkel yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
He's going to cons.
Now pretty much People are likeoh my God, urkel, stefan, I
love you Lean in.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
People love him.
Same thing with the dude whoplayed Ernest.
Yes, jim Varney.
Yep, he was all mad.
He's like this rolls beneath meand I'm like no, you saved
Christmas, you went to prison.
You saved Halloween, you're ahero.
Yes, eggs erroneous.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
There is a legend out there that he once told a young
fan that if he watched StarWars a hundred more times he'd
drop dead, and allegedly the fandid.
Oh, that's, it's an urbanlegend.
I don't know if it's actuallytrue or not, I don't I mean.
I don't know.
It's really fucked up.
If it's true.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
It would be kind of fun if there was a mukbang guy
who ate what Jabba the Hutt eatson a daily basis and does it on
YouTube.
Yeah, I watch a lot of those onYouTube because I'm trying to
live vicariously through themand save money.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
It scratches the itch .

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, kind of Makes me hungry and want to be in
Vegas, yeah, so Guinness foundGeorge Lucas' dialogue
incomprehensible.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
What?
And laughable.
He said, quote I just couldn'tgo on speaking those bloody,
awful banal lines.
I shrivel inside each time it'srepeated.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Oh, please Like.
Ursula shrunk him in the bottomof the ocean Come on.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
He reportedly asked George Lucas a million times if
they could just please kill offObi-Wan Kenobi, and he could
just escape.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
No bro.
No, you're way too important tothe story.
He was like no, please,absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
He was incredibly uncomfortable with how fans
treated their star wars likereligion.
He famously told this story.
Yeah, another another guy saidthat he'd seen the movie a bunch
of times and he said do youthink you could promise never to
see it?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
again and he cried.
He just makes his fans cry allthe time.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh my lord uh, he sent seemed genuinely perturbed
that people would fixate on sucha movie over more meaningful
art.
Like what, like what?
Bridge over the River Kwai.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh my god, I can't.
I hate actors who take actingseriously.
I know I know you have to, andobviously you have to love it to
be good at it, yeah, but just Idon't want to hear about it.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, he hated getting fan letters.
He said about it yeah, um he,he hated getting fan letters.
He said it was rubbish.
What that he had to read them.
You don't have to, he just wason.
Yeah, you can set him on fire,throw him in the trash it's fine
.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I kind of like this guy now.
All the love, all the attention.
I can't.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I hate it yeah but he was a very private guy so
people didn't realize he was adevout catholic, okay, and um,
that's pretty much.
It offended his religion thatpeople were treating Star Wars
like religion.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, there's a lot of Catholic undertones, there's
a lot of religious undertones.
It doesn't negate religion.
If anything, it props upreligion.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, you know.
People are dying.
Coming back to life.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I don't think anyone's worshipping Princess
Leia.
I mean not in the way that theyworship Jesus.
When she was wearing thatbathing suit they wear Well of
course, but again, not in theway they worship Jesus, although
there is a large contingency ofgay Christians who they watch
Passion of the Christ for adifferent reason.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, the irony is that he gave one of the most
grounded, dignified performancesin star wars absolutely, and
the kind that elevated it fromcampy sci-fi into something
actually mythic.
He did it, yeah, so without himthe original film might have
never been taken seriously.
Um, it's crazy too, becausethey never really knew what was
going to happen.
My, my television writingmentor from ucla he, his

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roommate at the time, was markhamill.
Okay, and mark hamill was likeI, to fly to Tunisia because
we're filming this weird moviecalled Blue Moon.
I don't know what's going tohappen.
I'll see you in six months.
Whatever, all right Comes back,the movie comes out and he ends
up being the biggest movie starof the year in 1977, because it
was the biggest thing.
So the fake name for the moviewas Blue Moon.
It was Blue Harvest, I think itwas called Blue Harvest, yeah,

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and then they called it StarWars.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
And then, just For those that don't know, they
always do that when they werefilming Batman the one with Bane
they filmed it downtown in NewYork City, in Wall Street, and
the name of the movie wasMonster Movie.
And they said you got to clearout of your apartments.
Monster Movie's coming through.
But then there was a bunch ofGotham police cars fake Gotham
police cars.
I was like they're makingBatman.
And then I watched one of thecar jump scenes.

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Oh, that's sick.
It was pretty cool.
Hell yeah.
I was like can I be in themovie?
Am I in the movie now In?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
1956, like I said, he converted actually to Roman
Catholicism, so he would havebeen pumped about a new pope.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh yeah, absolutely Everyone is.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
He said you know that profoundly shaped the rest of
his life.
But at the same time he isstruggling internally.
So he didn't seem like a superhappy guy anyway, because he
also struggled with hissexuality.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Something that was never publicly addressed.
Arrest records from the 1940ssuggest a possible hidden life,
but Guinness remained guarded, aman shaped by the taboos and
social mores of his era.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So he was arrested in the 1940s for having sex with a
man.
Yeah, interesting.
And he never, obviously, atthis point in Hollywood, that
would get you blacklisted,wouldn't it?
Even though they're all doingit.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
These are not the charges you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Exactly Jedi mind trick indeed.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
But he had a lot of stuff going on so he took things
seriously.
He was knighted in 1959.
Nothing gay about that so wasElton John.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, of course, as he should be.
All the best gay guys getknighted.
No straight man cares aboutbeing knighted.
I don't believe, but I don'tknow.
I'm not British.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, he remained active as a knight.
What do you do?
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Show up to Ren Fairs.
Oh, that's awesome.
We were going to go to a RenFair this weekend, but it's
going to be too hot.
My under tits are going tosweat too much and we would melt
.
They're going to put me in thestocks and feed me burritos.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
His memoirs Blessings in Dis, in disguise, apparently
are reflective, witty andfilled with subtle regret and
wisdom.
Hmm, okay, it's unfortunate,obi-wan Kenobi.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
It is unfortunate, if he is gay, that he was forced
to live a secret life and ofcourse we do have to remember
that and we don't want to goback to that time period.
Everyone should be allowed tobe out and free, no matter what
Out and about Indeed.
Even if you're a straight whiteman who is under attack the
most in America, don't even getme going.
Don't even get me going.
They're coming for us.
Don't even get me going.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Alec Guinness died on August 5, 2000.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Oh wow, Old guy From liver cancer.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So how old was he then?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
He was 86.
Good for him.
Yep, Yep.
And then he got 86 from life,Indeed from liver cancer.
The fun way out, baby, let's go.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Just days earlier his wife had also passed away, so
within a couple days they endeda marriage of over 60 years.
Wow, yeah, that's sad.
I mean that happens all thetime.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
It does.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
It happened my father lost his wife and then, 54
weeks later, almost exactly ayear, he was gone.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
They say with Johnny Cash.
When June Cash died which isunbelievably shocking, she died
before Johnny that Johnny diedof a broken heart.
But then his friends say, no,june just gave him his pills on
time and then, when she died, hestopped taking them and then he
died Damn, he was only in hisearly 70s too.
And you look at Johnny Cash inthat Hurt music video.
I thought he was like 100.
I love Johnny but holy hellhard living.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
The news of his death brought tributes from around
the world, from the stage, thescreen and, yes, the Star Wars
universe.
Ewan McGregor, who played theyounger Obi-Wan, called him a
giant of the profession, whichhe would be like.
Don't even say my name, Don'tmention me, Ewan.
He left behind a body of workthat continues to inspire and he
proved that an actor doesn'tneed to be over the top or

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larger than life to captivatethe screen.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, the irony is, when it comes to television
acting, it's opposite of stageacting.
The most minute detail is large, as opposed to the inverse,
which is why it's so difficultfor WWE superstars to translate
to the small screen, because youwant your face to be seen by
the last guy in an arena and onthe small screen you want it to
be really tiny.
That's why Dave Bautista isdoing so well.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, you need stillness, subtleness, restraint
and humility, all of which hehad in RIP.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't got none of that Alec.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Guinness.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, that's not me.
Maybe I have a Guinness.
That's about it.
Oh man, they say this GuinnessZero is supposed to be really
good.
That's pretty good.
I might try that as a placebofor beer, although if I'm not
drinking I want something sweet.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, you know, that's just me, peter Mayhew.
He was the man who playedChewbacca.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Oh, I was going to say Are we going to get to Jar
Jar at any point?
Yeah, thank God, I love Jar Jar.
They were like hey, mr Lucas,can you put a person of color in
this, like a black dude?
We're like, yeah, sure, yeah me, some master, we're going to
make him real dumb.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Peter William Mayhew was born May 19, 1944, in Barnes
, london, so we got twoLondonites here.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I love that.
Londoners, londoners and thisis another indictment on the
sizism of Hollywood they made mypeople all covered up in fur.
We ain't a goddamn Sasquatch ora Chewbacca, we're people.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's right.
From an early age, it was clearhe was different.
By his teenage years, peter wasalready over six feet tall.
Good, good for him, cool forhim.
And he ended up at seven feetthree inches good for him dang,
I think that's taller thanyaoming it might be, I think he
was just seven no, no, no,yaoming was I think seven, three
, seven, four.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh he was, he's in that realm, yeah damn.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
His immense height was due to marfan syndrome oh,
he had the giantism disease yeah, so marfan is a connective
tissue disorder that affectsgrowth and joint flexibility.
I mean it doesn't affect growth, it compounds it.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, that's the effect.
Dummy Marfan syndrome soundslike he's having a marshmallow
as a nougat.
Hey, yummy, that's kind ofexciting, but you can get.
So Andre the Giant had this aswell, and you can get a surgery
that nips it Literally.
They cut this thing in yourbody so it's just like, all
right, let's stop growing.
But I'm not sure if thatsurgery was around at that point

(22:48):
yet because it leads to anearly death.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Wow, Despite his size , Peter was soft-spoken and kind
.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, we have to be.
I'm so sick of this gentlegiant shit.
It's because we have to be.
That's why, jerry, from OK Bud,she gets to yell and yell and
yell.
Everyone's like, oh, it's cute,she's harmless, and if I even
raise my freaking voice, yeah,it's trouble.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
It's a problem Mm-hmm Dang it.
He trained as an engineer andworked at a hospital as an
orderly at King's CollegeHospital in London.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I mean, that is a little bit scary.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
That'd be terrifying.
You want your pudding?
Okay, he didn't sound like that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
He was soft-spoken.
Yeah, you want your pudding.
You're scaring us.
Yeah, please you wait untilyour boy is seven feet tall and
you'll see how this size-ismworks for you when he's bonking
you on the head.
Give me my allowance, Dad.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
It was there, quietly pushing patients through
corridors, that fate found him.
In 1976, mayhew was cast in afilm called Sinbad and the Eye
of the Tiger, cool Playing aminotaur.
No kidding, that's pretty sick.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, it's almost like you can't get cast as a
human being.
No, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
That small role caught the eye of producer
Charles Schneer and, moreimportantly, someone else in the
industry who was payingattention.
That someone was George LucasDang.
When Lucas was casting for anew science fiction movie called
Star Wars, he needed someonephysically imposing to play
Chewbacca, the Wookiee co-pilotof the Millennium Falcon.

(24:10):
At first he considered 6'6''David Prowse Okay, and that
name's going to come up laterbecause that's the man who
played under the mask of DarthVader.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Oh, no kidding.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And he was in Clockwork Orange too.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Fantastic.
Yeah, that's a great movie.
Scary scene there when theyinvade that home.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
When Mayhew walked into the audition room and
simply stood up, they said yougot the role pal.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
See.
Finally, one for my people.
Just like thateter, mayhewbecame chewbacca.
I love chewbacca.
He and harrison ford are such afun uh duo.
I've been told when I'm skinnyand attractive, that I look a
bit like harrison ford oh yeahyeah, I was told by that.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I was told, someone told me that yeah, chewbacca
wasn't a speaking role, butpeter didn't need the dialogue.
Through posture, timing andsubtle body language, he turned
a furry alien into the mostbeloved characters in cinema
history.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
He really did and it also led to that woman in her
car when she put her Chewbaccamask on.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh my god, and she was laughing and laughing.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Remember that innocent time in America where
the internet was just like lookat this woman laughing about
Chewbacca.
And then now it's just peopleputting cats in bags and hitting
them on trees.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, so anytime you would open your mouth in that
mask, you let out the Chewbacca.
Oh good job.
And there was a woman who wasin labor pains and her husband
put the mask on her, so everytime she was screaming.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh, there's another one.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Oh, that's hilarious, she's screaming, holding her
stomach about to give birth, andit just keeps he's going.
Brrrr, be careful you mightbirth yourself a little hairy
rodent person.
Yep.
He studied animals, especiallygorillas and dog, to inform
Chewbacca's movements.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's brilliant.
Yeah, you know, he's a studentof the game and, of course, john
Candy, who parodied him, was adog.
That's true.
A walk, a man dog.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
A mog, I guess gotta walk.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
He was all man.
Yeah, he added grace to thebeast.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
He did so.
Loyalty to the warrior, humor,humor to the sidekick.
It must have been hot as a nootsack in utah.
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, my god, the original one, at least.
They were in tunisia in thedesert, oh, and they were all
dying.
The guy who played r2d2 therewas a guy actually in there, yes
, I know, and they he was alittle person and they used to
forget that he was in there.
So I'd have to like oh bang onit to be like get me out of here
.
I'm literally cooking in here oh, poor guy, it was a crock pot,
seriously so he played chewbaccain the original trilogy and

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then reprised the role inrevenge of the in 2005 and the
force awakens in 2015.
So he went all the way from 77to 2015.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
That is very impressive, and for his size
again, we don't live very long,especially he's six inches
taller than me.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, as age and health issues began to affect
his mobility, he passed thetorch to Finnish actor Junus
Suotamo.
Oh, that doesn't sound Finnish?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
It doesn't, but you never know what's happening over
there.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, he actually trained under Peter's guidance
to continue Chewbacca's legacy,so he was giving him the inside
scoop.
This is how you do it.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
It does go to show you like oh, I got cast, I'm
wearing a fur suit, I don't haveany dialogue.
I guess this isn't going towork out for anything, but just
put your heart into it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And look, look what happened.
He became one of the mosticonic characters of all time.
Yeah, off screen, peter wasevery bit as warm as the Wookiee
he portrayed.
Fans recall his gentle hugs,towering presence and unwavering
generosity at conventions.
So he's the absolute oppositeof Alec Guinness, who told
people to go kill themselves,right.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I mean, I kind of like both approaches in a way.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Somewhere in the middle is pretty good.
Yeah, yeah, he never grew tiredof signing autographs, posing
for photos and thanking peoplewho loved the galaxy far, far
away.
I love that.
Yeah, he moved to the UnitedStates, married Angie Luker and
became a US citizen in 2005.
So that took a long time.
Yes, it did.
It does take quite a while,even if you're trying to do it

(27:57):
the right way.
I mean especially the only wayto do it the right way, yep it
takes a minute.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Maybe we need to fix that a little bit, but it is
what it is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
He was deeply involved in charity work,
especially for children'shospitals and wounded warrior
projects.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yep, just losing your leg, and then all of a sudden
Chewbacca.
Did he dress as Chewbacca?
I don't know.
Either way, it'd be terrifying.
It'd be kind of cool if it wasChewbacca.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
This guy yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Like who's this tall motherfucker?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Right, I mean, that's the one thing about us tall
folks.
We're not good in war.
You coming to take my other leg?
Yeah, I'll take your leg fromyou.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Peter also started the Peter Mayhew Foundation,
dedicated to alleviating disease, pain and suffering, whether
helping families in crisis.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
He's the only guy that during a hurricane he's
just walking.
They're like he must be onstilts, like no.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'm just a hero.
All this water is just waisthigh and it's like 10 feet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
He lived with chronic pain due to his size and
condition, but rarely complained.
He had multiple spinalsurgeries.
He used a cane, then awheelchair, then he continued to
appear for fans when he could.
Peter mayhew may have beenquiet, but he was never small.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
He was no, he was never small I don't think anyone
accused him of being small.
Yeah, who accused?
Was that a quote or did youmake that up?
That's a quote?
Yeah, what?
What?
Moron said that, not me.
He may have been quiet, but hewas no shit.
He's chewbacca.
They should have said aboutr2-D2.
Right, that's true too Allright.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
On April 30th 2019, peter Mayhew passed away at his
home in North Texas.
He was 74 years old.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Everything's bigger in Texas.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I mean 74 for being that tall is.
You know that's Hall of Famelevel.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
He made it one year past his height.
Yeah, 73 made it to 74.
Not too shabby.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
The tributes poured in from Mark Hamill, who called
him the gentlest of giants, toHarrison Ford, who said Peter
was a kind, gentle man.
Possessed great dignity andnoble character.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I love that.
A little side note if you are agamer out there, check out
Indiana Jones, the new Circle ofSomething, Stone Circle or
something bullshit like that,but it's a really fun video game
.
Check it out.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
J circle or something bullshit like that, but it's a
really fun video game.
Check it out.
Yeah, jj abrams, who came inlate to the game with the final
trilogy, said peter was awonderful man.
He was the closest any humanbeing could be to a wookiee.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I don't know what is this?
Wait, come on closest to awookiee.
Aren't they supposed to be likea war people as well?
He had a gun, yeah the wookiesare bullets going across his
chest.
This is the problem.
Oh, you gotta be nice and now,all of a sudden, people think
you're weak.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
We gotta bring back bonking, just a bonk fans
worldwide mourn not just anactor but a friend, a presence
that felt steady, comforting andforever part of their childhood
.
I love that.
Yeah, he was laid to rest intexas and later that year a
private memorial was held at theEmpire Con Star Wars convention
in Los Angeles, where fansgathered to share stories, tears

(30:46):
and laughter.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh now do you go extra large coffin or you break
the legs at the knee?
I've had this conversation manytimes.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I have never seen an extra large coffin, so I think
that you just bend the kneebreak it off or they put it back
all the way so his ankles arein his ears, yeah open casket,
like why his feet are up thereyeah, does some stripper stuff
and uh yeah, but uh it, hetaught us something special
without ever uttering a word onscreen in any of the movies he
was ever in, of course.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean he did but he, that was wookiee talk yeah so
he was uttering words in wookiee.
It was speech I guess which.
I'm sure somebody knows.
Oh yeah, there's got to be.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
There's people who know Klingon.
They've got to know Wookiee.
Oh yeah, there was some guy atThirsty Merchant one time that
was speaking Klingon and I waslike this is At the bar in
public.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
huh, and that's your match.
Yeah, that's my love language.
Yes, wookiee or Klingon.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So rest in peace.
To Peter Mayhew, I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Klingons are going to fuck.
Oh yeah, Non-stop.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
And they're going to be bashing their foreheads
together.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, they're a war people.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure theWookiee does some nice sensitive
finger popping.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, wookiee Nookie baby.
Oh yeah, give it to me.
They're all for the WookieeNookie Up.
Next we have Princess Leiaherself.
Carrie Fisher.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I love Carrie Fisher.
Did you ever see her one-womanshow?
I did not.
It is fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, she's so funny.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, she's great Her interviews and stuff.
She's really funny Anything Iand, where she's just being
herself.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
She had a lot of ups and downs, a lot of emotional
issues, yes, but nothing.
A couple of glasses of winecan't fix or cause Some of the
issues, I'm sure as well.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I didn't know she was Hollywood royalty until this
past week.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, who were her parents?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Her parents, she was born.
So Carrie Fisher was bornOctober 21st 1956, in Beverly
Hills.
Oh okay Into what many considerHollywood royalty.
Oh, 1956 in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh, okay Into what many consider Hollywood royalty.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh okay, Her mother was actress and singer Debbie
Reynolds.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Best known for singing in the rain, and her
father was pop crooner EddieFisher.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh yes, Wow, I didn't realize that either.
Well, good for her.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
She was born into the biz.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
There's a lot of they say nepo babies now.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
And they are all over the place in Hollywood.
But that's alright, you justgotta work harder.
Yeah, you gotta work harder ifyou're from the Midwest or from
Boston, that's right Like Kyleand Kissel.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, the glamour was deceptive.
When Carrie was just two yearsold, her father left her mother
for Elizabeth Taylor.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Well, I mean again, as we've talked about on OK Bud,
if you get left for ElizabethTaylor, as that woman you're
like my cooch is good.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, what are you going to do?
He left me for Elizabeth Taylor, and then Elizabeth Taylor, I'm
sure, chewed him up and spithim out, like she did every guy.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
So I think the mom probably won out in the end.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
A scandal, apparently , that rocked the entertainment
world.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
crooner or eddie, I'm sure it did eddie fisher went
over to elizabeth taylor?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm sure it did.
Uh, obviously this broughtinstability to her childhood and
that would echo throughout heradult life.
Still, carrie was bright, funnyand curious absolutely.
She appeared in her mother'sstage shows as a teen but had
other dreams.
She briefly attended thecentral school of speech and
drama.
Okay, that's a weird pairingspeech and and drama.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, why you can't have drama?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
without speech, but speech just sounds like you're
an orator, or a narrator perhaps?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, I was such a bad kid.
My mom took me to hearing andspeech classes because she
thought I was deaf and couldn'ttalk.
But really, I just wasn'tlistening and then I didn't
speak.
Hey, just a bad kid I spoke allweird Because I think I have
some autism or something.
Yeah, maybe I don't know I gotsomething wrong with my brain.
We all got it.
Yeah, man, I've been lovingthat love on the spectrum by the

(34:26):
way.
Oh, it's the best, so cute,that one couple, the one girl
who sings.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, she loves the gummies.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, and he's like maybe we can share and she's
like, you can get your own.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, you gotta get your own pal.
You brought that gift for her.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Mm-hmm.
So this Central School ofSpeech and Drama was in London,
so all these people were inLondon at one point or another.
Ok, makes sense.
At just 19 years old, carriemade her feature film debut in
Shampoo.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh, okay, I remember that film.
I didn't watch it, yeah.
Nor do I use it.
I remember it.
I love the sequel Conditioneryou get it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
There was another movie called Soap Dish.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
There was a moment of very little creativity.
I get my best ideas in theshower.
Yeah, this movie's called Drain.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh, and that's what it did to their pockets.
Oh, but of course, it was twoyears later, in 1977, that
everything changed.
Hmm, star Wars exploded intothe cultural zeitgeist, and
Carrie Fisher, as Princess LeiaOrgana, became a global icon.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, she did, my God.
Every boy and probably a lot ofgals had their first thoughts
of sexuality looking at her withthat big old, fat Jabba the
Hutt.
Like let me get a hold of thosecinnamon buns Please.
You know, jabba the Hutt wasoriginally a dude.
Isn't Jabba the Hutt a dude?
No, but like no, it's that bigold, fucking slime creature now.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
But no, it was originally like a person.
Oh it was a guy, Okay yeah, andhe was all fat and stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
And then they recast it it's like this big old sludge
dude.
Yeah, like you're not fatenough.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, you couldn't be fat enough.
Look at him huge.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yes, uh, she was equipped with a laser pistol a
no-nonsense attitude.
And leah was unlike any femalecharacter science fiction had
seen before, because she was,you know, strong.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, she was kicking ass she wasn't just a damsel in
distress.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Help me but then she kind of had to do that too.
She literally does say help me,you're my only hope.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
You got to play the game.
You got to play the game.
Everyone needs help sometimes.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, behind the scenes.
People didn't know it at thetime, but Carrie was struggling.
She had an on-set affair withher co-host, harrison Ford,
which they had an on-screenaffair too.
Yes, they did, and it was laterrevealed in her memoir, the
Princess Diarist.
She was also dealing withbipolar disorder.
Oh, I didn't realize, thoughshe hadn't been diagnosed yet

(36:51):
and she was beginning toself-medicate with drugs and
alcohol, right, and that waseverything cocaine, acid pills,
heroin, right.
The pressure of fame, theexpectations of beauty and her
own inner battles were a stormbrewing beneath the surface.
Carrie's struggles withaddiction and mental illness
were not hidden forever.
In fact, she became one of themost candid, hilarious and
honest voices on the subject.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, she did.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So she was doing, you know, like I said, cocaine,
acid, heroin, everything.
She's cool.
She said she never liked thefeeling of being high, she just
hated the feeling of beingherself without it.
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I understand that.
A lot of people can understandthat I mean obviously for me.
I know people have done a lotmore of sobriety than I have
because I'm still smoking mysweet herb.
But just in this, you know, asI'm working with my life and
alcohol, it is interestingbecause you're like, oh, I'm
kind of like this sometimes.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And yeah, it's kind of fascinating.
But you know what?
I'm learning to like myself.
Yeah, I'm learning to likemyself.
You have to.
You got no other choice.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
No, you're stuck in here.
You only got one life, one body.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You're stuck in here.
Yeah, you ever.
Why can't it be somebody else?
But everyone struggles.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
We all do that.
She was diagnosed with bipolarin her 20s and then later
described her manic episodes anddepression In her memoirs
particularly Wishful, drinkingand Shockaholic.
She peeled back the celebritycurtain so she told everybody
she went to rehab in the 80safter a near-fatal overdose Dang
.
She cleaned up, she relapsed.
She cleaned up again, sherelapsed.
She cleaned up again, sherelapsed, just bouncing off the

(38:21):
same problems, right right.
She wrote about her journey inPostcards from the Edge, which
became a movie starring MerylStreep.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I like that.
Postcards from the Edge Verycool.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Carrie turned her trauma into art, sold it and
then joked about it at dinnerparties.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, good for her.
And that is the power of humor.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Sometimes it can do too much masking.
But also you got to laugh toget through all of these
difficult things because at theend of the day it really doesn't
matter.
It does, but it also doesn't,so just laugh.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Exactly.
She told everybody she didelectroshock therapy.
Oh no, which the people?
They still do it apparently,but it apparently.
But people used to do it waymore.
Back in the day they uh madeone of the I think rose, not
rose one of the kennedys justbecame completely brain dead
because they did it like way toohard and way too much.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
yeah there's a special needs, kennedy.
They keep under the stairs yeahlike the people under the
stairs.
That's true, kennedy under thestairs.
Yeah, it's a bizarre, bizarrefamily, inbred yeah, yes, like
any royal family, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
So she did the electroshock, she talked about
it, she said it helped.
Okay.
She said it wiped some memories, but not the important ones,
like where I parked or whodisappointed me.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
All right.
Well, that's one way not tohave to deal with the past.
Just wipe it away.
Yeah, hey, you know I'll takeit.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, carrie wasn't just surviving, she was script
writing, script doctoring andspeaking.
It's the school of speech.
Yes, indeed, she worked behindthe scenes.
This is crazy.
I didn't realize because I sawit on our IMDb and I thought it
was an error.
She was script doctoring andpunched up Hook Sister Act and
the Wedding Singer.
Damn that's hilarious, thethree random movies.

(39:59):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
just a weird it was hook wedding singer.
And which one sister act,sister act.
All three of those movies arehits.
For those that don't know,whoopi goldberg wasn't just a
chatty kathy on that view show,which is unwatchable she used to
be the funniest actress and agreat stand-up comedian and she
also had a great one woman show.
But whatever, yeah, there's awhole generation that are never
gonna know her for.
And a great stand-up comedianand she also had a great
one-woman show, mm-hmm, butwhatever.
Yeah, there's a whole generationthat are never gonna know her

(40:23):
for that.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Nope Comic relief nothing.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
No, it's like the opposite of George Foreman.
I just know him as a guy whosold grills and then other
people were like, oh, he was thescariest motherfucker that's
ever lived.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And, and Georgette, yeah, and he was the Midas guy.
He's the best.
He sold brake pads for twodecades.
Why not?
In 1983, return of the Jedigave us the now infamous gold
bikini.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Mm-hmm that was a little weird.
That was a little strange.
It's a good thing she wasn'tallergic to gold.
Yeah, it would have rashed upall the wrong places, right.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Something Carrie would later criticize as both
objectifying and absurd.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh, she wasn't happy with that she had her problems
with it.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
yeah, but I mean it sold the movie.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It was very true, and you know I understand Hollywood
.
But I'm gonna say selfishly,I'm very happy that she did it.
Yeah, for sure, but that's justmy.
I understand her point of viewas well.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, but she played along and then she made fun of
it later in life.
Yeah, so she had many lives.
A cult icon, a recoveringaddict and a loving but chaotic
mother to her daughter, billieLord, and an outspoken mental
health advocate.
Absolutely, in 2015,.
She returned to the screen, asyou know, leia Organa as the

(41:36):
General Leia, not Princessanymore.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
She got an upgrade.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, wait until Meghan Markle hears that that's
a possibility.
I'm a Duchess now I'm a General.
Apparently, meghan Markle.
She sold a bath salt recipe.
Like the drugs, no like to sitin the tub and get all
comfortable Like Epsom salt.
Yeah, because you have a badjob and you're all stressed out
and you want to sit in the tuband while a while you know.
But then this woman uh, she gota whole rash all over her body

(42:03):
so she's gonna sue.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh god, that funny megan, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
who knows?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
uh.
So they say that this promotionmirrored her real life
evolution from ingenue to seasonleader.
I love that.
It was a homecoming thatbrought tears to many eyes,
especially for those who hadgrown up with her in the roles.
And one of the weirdest thingsis that she died in the movie
and then all of a sudden did yousee it?
Which one Force Awakens.
She dies in the movie, she'sout in space and then all of a

(42:31):
sudden wills herself back tolife and flies back into the
spaceship she was just explodedout of.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, can't die, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I love that.
It's like when you get kickedout of the bar but you sneak in
through the back door.
Yeah, exactly.
Go to a different bartender whodoesn't know you've been 86 for
the night.
Don't tell me what are you?
Doing in here.
Yeah, I'm fine, come here.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I need to give you my card again.
She came back and unfortunately, she couldn't do that in real
life.
On December 23rd 2016, carrieFisher suffered a heart attack
on a flight from London to LosAngeles.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Dude, fantastic time to check out.
Yeah, Honestly, 2016, that's agreat year to just be like.
Peace, human beings.
I'm off to visit the Star LordOn a cozy 11-hour flight.
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, I'm sure she was sitting.
First class, you get treatedwell.
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I'm sure she was sitting first class, you get
treated well.
Yeah, that's true, get a snack.
She was returning from a booktour promoting the Princess
Diarist, okay, so four dayslater, on December 27th, she
passed away at the age of 60.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Dang, she was really young.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, that's the thing about cocaine.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
When you're doing it very heavily for a very long
amount of time.
You're you know, but hadn't shestopped for a while?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Eh oh, she was kind of dabbling throughout.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, All right, that's a no more cocaine
everybody.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Cow.
It hardens your arteries, itrestricts them, yeah, so it
makes your whole circulatorysystem like kind of go to shit.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Ah, I see Very early.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I guess you don't want that.
No, in a moment so surreal itcould have been scripted.
Her mother, debbie Reynolds,died the next day.
Dang.
She reportedly told people Iwant to be with Carrie.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh, that's so sad.
It is sad.
Well, hopefully they'retogether right now, looking down
on this very podcast and sayingyou guys, you're blowing it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, Talk about us more.
Yeah, two out of three of thepeople we've covered so far have
died of broken hearts.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
That was both heartbreaking and strangely
fitting.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
When I die, I have a joint memorial as well.
Each and every one of you rollup a J-Joe oh yeah, smoke it up.
My buddy used to say when I die, scrape my lungs out and roll
it up and smoke it.
My buddy, jared, used to saythat, but he's still alive.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
So yeah, we got time for that.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Can't do it now.
I think it's mostly nicotine inthere.
Probably, carrie, probably.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Carrie's ashes were partially buried and partially
placed in a giant Prozac-shapedurn.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Chosen by her daughter.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
That's hilarious.
It was classic Carrie, brutallyhonest deeply personal and
darkly funny and cozy.
Yeah, I feel like you can kindof turn around.
It's more circular.
Yeah, that's kind of nice.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So in the Star Wars universe Leia was royalty, but
in the real world, carrie Fisherwas a warrior for truth,
recovery and for love.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Absolutely, and not to mention unbelievably funny.
Yeah, she was so freakinghilarious.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Well, I don't know anybody that's had a problem
with drugs.
That isn't funny, right.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
It's like that just comes with the territory.
It's the curse of the comedian,the actor, the artist, really.
Yeah, exactly, and the well,everyone's an artist in their
own right.
You know the constructionworker?
Yeah, the person who works oncars.
A lot of people do drugs.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
So RIP Carrie Fisher Absolutely.
In another story we have herethe man Behind the Mask, david
Charles Prowse.
He was born on July 1st 1935 inwhere, bristol, england.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
The whole damn cast is English.
This is why it's soanti-American.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Except for Mark Hamill.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Wow, and also the English.
Your empire is the worst.
Yeah, just talk to the Indians.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Seriously Raised by a single mother, he grew up tall,
strong and determined.
Early on, he was drawn tophysical fitness and
bodybuilding.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
He was fucking big on strong men.
That's what everyone wanted meto do, too.
I was like I really like ChrisFarley and John Candy.
Yeah, they're fat and they diedyoung.
Yeah, I kind of like that.
Yeah, so do bodybuilders.
They die young too.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, because steroids also, they don't
discriminate what musclesthey're making bigger.
Your heart gets huge and itcan't pump itself anymore.
See, yeah, boom, no steroidseverybody.
By the time he was in his 20s,david was a dominant force in
British weightlifting.
He won the British heavyweightweightlifting championship
multiple times and representedEngland in the 1958 Commonwealth
Games.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
How'd he do.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
He represented.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
You know, we lost to the Irish, the Scottish big old
brutes.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
He wasn't just strong , he was imposing, he was 6'6"
and he turned heads wherever hewent.
Is that what you are, 6'6"?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I'm 6'7" 6'7".
Yep, nice Yep, for better orfor worse.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, his dedication to physical excellence
eventually landed him in theorbit of the film industry.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I feel like people were more respectful of tall
people.
They don't just make straightup about them Because you know
the tall people are just verybecause they're small, and so
they put all this stuff on us.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I'm just trying to walk, I just want to walk to
school.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I just want to be a normal person, damn it.
I just want to walk my books toschool, please.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
If you needed a bodybuilder, a superhuman on
screen, david got the callsounds like you would have been
a kick-ass jason vorhees ormichael myers.
Yeah it's crazy because Ididn't realize.
I mean, yeah, he grew up, hewas born.
When I say 35, that's so crazybecause I I saw him in a
clockwork orange.
I originally.
I saw that for the first timerecently and he just looked so

(47:42):
young.
But it's also 1971 wasn't thatold 26?
Yeah, I guess that's so crazy.
That's just numbers.
Numbers are weird to me.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Okay, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
David began picking up roles in the late 1960s.
He appeared in films likeCasino Royale, the 1967 one,
clockwork Orange 1971, where heplayed the bodyguard Julian, and
Frankenstein and the Monsterfrom Hell in 1974.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Oh, I've never seen that Gotta check that out.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
He played Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Sweet Frankenstein's monster.
You fucking nerd, that's rightyeah.
Frankenstein's monster.
You nerd, you idiot.
God, I can't believe you didn'tknow that, so dumb.
There's very few things that Iget snooty about, and I love
that I got my 5% nerd comes outwith horror.
Actually, actually, yeah.
He often joked about being.
Actually, Jason Voorhees is adeadite.

(48:30):
There is some speculation he'sa deadite.
Is that true?
Well, there's speculationbecause maybe his mother got him
back from the dead using theNecronomicon there are a couple
of different coincidences there,but that's a whole nother story
.
Wow, what a fucking nerd yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Cool.
Wow, what a fucking nerd.
Yeah Cool, it's called beingcool Kyle.
His most beloved role in the UKwas not monstrous at all.
In the 1970s he became theGreen Cross Code man, a
superhero-like figure who taughtchildren how to safely cross
the street.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Green Cross.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Code man?
I would rather have.
What is it?
Cinnamon Toast man?
Yeah From Ren and Stimpy Withhis ass, cheeks flapping in the
air.
No way, that's not super.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, he doesn't say super, it's just Green Cross
Code man.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
He's supposed to be a superhero.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Superhero-like, I guess so.
Alright, fine, good for him.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
We follow the rules.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Oh, that's not what superheroes do they break the
rules, that's true.
Technically, they're alldomestic terrorists.
Yeah 9-11 is nothing comparedto what they do in every Marvel
movie.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And you have to get to an emergency.
You want the superhero who'swaiting for the cross light.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
No, it's like when you watch people play GTA and
they obey all the rules.
By the way, gta 6, that newfrickin' drop the trailer was
amazing, but it's I want thegame yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Looks pretty good.
It does, but it's not comingout ever.
Shh, I'm gonna kill you.
His appearances in publicsafety commercials made him a
national hero in Britain.
Oh my god, the Brits Just comeon.
It earned him an MBE, which isa member of the Order of the
British Empire, in 2000.
Congrats.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
British Empire in 2000.
Congrats.
I would rather be on the DeathStar, I'd rather be with Darth
Vader.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
When it blows up.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Exactly Favorite bumper sticker of all time.
It was just two dudes talking,the stormtroopers being like I
had some of my best friends onthat Death Star.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Even with that fame, something much bigger was about
to enter his life, somethinggalactic George Lucas.
He was casting his ambitiousspace fantasy Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Like you don't know that we've been covering this
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
We know that, yeah, he needed someone physically
intimidating to play the centralvillain, darth Vader.
So was his voice all like heyeveryone, how are you?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
What's going on?
Everybody?
Because that does happen.
If you just heard Mike Tyson'svoice and you have no idea who
he is physically or what he cando, you'd be like I can kick his
ass.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I'm coming to kill you.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And then he shows up and your ass is the one being
pummeled.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Lucas actually offered him two choices to play
Darth Vader or the furrysidekick Chewbacca.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
But Prowse famously said everyone remembers the
villain.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
They do.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So Vader it was.
I love that.
He brought a terrifyingphysicality to the role.
Every stride, every turn, everygesture under the black helmet,
those were his.
But Lucas ultimately decided inpost-production to dub over his
dialogue, replacing his WestCountry UK accent with the deep,
resonant voice of James EarlJones.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, of course.
Of course, If anyone thoughtthat Darth Vader was going to be
British.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Luke, you're my father.
I don't even know what Britishpeople sound like I'm your pappy
.
Yeah, no, no, it's nothappening.
James Earl Jones greatestcharacter work of all time.
How much did he get paid forthat, by the way?
Because that's the VO of alifetime right, there, of a
lifetime right there, the firstone, I believe it was very, very
little.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
He's not even credited in the he's not Nope
Uncredited, Wow, yeah, that'swhy David didn't even know that
his dialogue was cut out untilhe went to the premiere.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh my, you never know .
That's why you cannot be cocky.
If you're an actor.
You got to wait until you seethat damn thing.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yup.
The decision caused a riftbetween him and Lucasfilm that
never recovered.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But it was the right choice.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Absolutely the right choice.
So you have to.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It is what it is.
Sometimes we've got to eat crow.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, so Prowse played Vader in all three
original Star Wars films NewHope, empire Strikes Back,
return of the Jedi.
But in return, when Vader'smask is finally removed, he gets
ousted again because it's thefat guy.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
What am I good for?
Yeah, I do love that.
He's like.
I don't want to be chewbacca.
No one's gonna see his face,yeah this was actor sebastian
shaw.
He was the body but not thevoice so there's three people
that played darth vader to bring.
To bring this evil villain tolife, it took a voice, a body
and, I guess, the the movementof a man.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Imagine that you see the script.
You're like oh great, finally,you're going to take my mask off
and you're going to see me forwho I really am Right, they're
finally going to— you bring yourdate.
Yeah, exactly, wait for this.
No, I swear to God, that's me,is that you?
That's just some fat slobthat's dying, no.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I swear to God that was me.
I can call George Lucas rightnow.
I do this.
Calls him and just gets to beepsingle Beams like ah, god damn,
oh shit, That'd be, soembarrassing it really would be.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Over the years he wasn't like Alec Guinness.
He actually became a fixture atconventions and fan events.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I mean, you probably go into those events Friday
through Sunday.
You're probably pulling in$100,000.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, signing autographs, just being there.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Well, no, actually I think you have to rent your own
booth oftentimes, but you canmake good money.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, but you charge for a picture and an autograph.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Exactly $25 or something like that.
Yeah, people show up 5,000people in line.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, a whole bunch of money.
They with people and you got tobe up there on the list exactly
so fans adored him, not just forvader, but also, like peter
mayhew, his kindness, hisstories and, uh, he had
signature green lightsaber pens.
Oh, that's cool, nice, it's alittle quirk.
I do like that.
Behind the scenes, like I said,the relationship with lucasfilm
grew even more strained.

(54:03):
He was reportedly banned fromofficial star wars events and
premieres in 2010, allegedly forleaking plot details and
creating tension on purpose tofuck the movies over Like the
Phantom Menace, Like a villain.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I do kind of like that.
Yeah, you know I'm Luke.
Just so you know, Anakin can'tact.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
He always publicly denied wrongdoing, Like that
wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
It's probably all pretty petty at this point.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And that's what they said is the biggest irony of his
even life story and trying toscrew over the movies he played
one of the most iconic villainsof all time, but was invisible.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, but now he must have gotten residuals, right.
Oh, of course.
He died rich, right?
Yes, I hope everyone made money, because Lucas sold it for 4.5
billion, didn't he, yep?
So hopefully everyone got theirnut.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
And people were like, oh my God, that's you know
multiple billions.
That's insane.
He would have made more.
If he do, you got four billiondollars.
Oh, I think he's fine.
Don't cry, yeah, um.
Beloved by fans, alienated bythe studio, he was a symbol of
strength who spent his lateryears battling illness he also

(55:14):
inspired fantastic humor in themovie mall rats.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yes, I love that film .
We just re-watched it.
It's so unbelievably.
I haven't seen it in a while,but yeah, that's great.
Jedi mind trick dude, he getsthat vhs tape put in his hand,
hell yeah he still neverexpressed bitterness to the fans
.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
He always spoke warmly about star wars and
continue to sign autographs withthe note david prouse is darth
vader let the fans have it.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
They don't need to know what the sausage is made.
There's a lot of emotions andthings like that that go in
entertainment.
That, yeah, that's for theentertainers to know Exactly.
Life is hard.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
So David passed away on November 28th 2020, after a
short illness.
He was 85.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So we are talking some fairly long lives, except
for Miss Fisher.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
She was the one who'd gone way, way too soon.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, she was the one that was partying the hardest.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, which is so ironic.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Better to burn out than fade away.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I guess.
So Kurgan said that Kurgan.
Kurgan said that the wrestlerno, not the wrestler, the dude
from that movie.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I thought it was Neil Young.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I think they both say it.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Everyone says it yeah , a kind man.
Mark Hamill called him a kindman and much more than Darth
Vader.
And then George Lucas said hemade Vader leap off the page and
onto the big screen.
He really did.
And then he made leaks onReddit later.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh yeah, whatever Darth Vader on Reddit, that's
exactly where he would go.
Finally, a platform for me.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Yeah exactly, he was laid to rest in London in a
private ceremony.
His family remembered him notas a villain, but as a loving
husband, father and real-lifehero.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Oh, good for him yeah .

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So RIP David Mm-hmm.
And lastly, we will talk aboutthe other man who played Darth
Vader, James Earl Jones.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, this is the voice.
This is who I thought it wasVerizon.
Is he the voice of Verizon?
Yeah, he was in the 90s.
Good for him.
He did everything.
Get that money.
Anyone who wants to cast anyVOs, let me know.
I'll do anything.
I'll even do like the antiASPCA, I'll be like kill dogs.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Kill the dogs.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I'll take 10% of that money and I'll send it to the
ASPCA.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, I'll turn their heads around for you.
I'll kill you dog, james EarlJones, was born on January 17th
1931 in Arcabutla, mississippi.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Arcabutla, arcabutla, arcabutla, come on down to
Arcabutla.
Sounds like a horny ant, justnot allowed at the family
festivals, butler's fucking herehumping legs again.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Uh, this was during the era of jim crow, ah, so not
great.
He was raised by hisgrandparents and that's the
history books.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
According to kyle pluth, it wasn't good great.
Jim crow, not great.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Moving on, moving on, not great he was raised by his
grandparents in michigan.
He raised, uh, he facedsignificant challenges early in
life.
He actually had a severestutter that led him to remain
nearly mute for years.
So that's kind of like yours.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's ironic, there's a lot of people that have
stutters, that are veryintelligent because technically
the brain is working in acapacity that is above yes, and
then it doesn't translate wellto the mouth and a lot of times
stutters are anxiety.
There's a lot of famous peoplethat had to overcome stutters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
It's not impossible to overcome.
It's not.
It was through poetry andliterature that he found his
voice, a journey that wouldeventually lead him to the
University of MichiganWolverines, where Tom Brady went
.
Oh, my God, I knew you weregoing to bring that trash up.
He initially pursued medicinebefore discovering his passion
for acting.
I mean, that is a big jump.
You're guaranteed to make somemoney in medicine.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I mean, he would have been a great doctor.
He's got the great voice.
You have cancer.
I'd be like dang yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I do.
I feel better about it now.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Tell me again, doc, it's terminal, fantastic,
awesome, your voice is cool.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
After serving in the US Army during the Korean War,
Jones pursued acting, studyingat the American Theater Wing.
His deep, resonant voice andcommanding presence quickly set
him apart.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, it's just brilliant, brilliant voice.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That's a voice you hear in the hallway.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You're like who the hell is that Exactly?
You turn around, you payattention to that voice.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
He made his Broadway debut in Sunrise at Campobello
in 1957 and gained acclaim forhis performances in
Shakespearean productionsincluding Othello and King Lear.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Wow, those are the famous ones.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Jones' portrayal of boxer Jack Jefferson in the
Great White Hope earned him aTony Award in 1969 and an
Academy Award nomination when hereprised the role in the 1970
film Adaptation.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Dang, so he was close to getting an EGOT.
Yeah, for real.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
James Earl Jones' filmography is vast and varied.
He brought gravitas to roles inDr Strangelove, the man,
claudine, field of Dreams, theHunt for Red October.
He was the voice of Mufasa.
For Christ's sake.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yes, he was for crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
It was his voice work that cemented his place in pop
culture.
Absolutely so.
As the voice of Darth Vader, hedelivered one of the most
iconic performances of thedecade.
Decade despite never appearingon screen that is such a dream
gig.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
That's so awesome.
It's just like what you're inthe studio.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, we get this done in like three days.
I'm out of here.
Perfect.
His portrayal of mufasa anddisney's the lion king further
showcased his ability to conveydepth and emotion through voice
alone.
Absolutely, his voice just madeit so much more sad when he
died.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
This guy who just sounds like an immovable
mountain of a man, of a lion,right Nothing could happen to
this guy.
He's the fucking, he's the king.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
He is the king.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
And then Scar is a fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
God all said Well, Scar's got some issues Scar.
Major issues, I mean Iunderstand why he probably gets
railed by more chicks, thoughScar's kind of cool, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Kind of a bad dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, a good facial scar helps out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, it's all about the proper scar, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Throughout his career Jones achieved.
Okay, so he did achieve theEGOT that you were talking about
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
He did yeah, Wow, I was gonna say I don't know if is
that a Grammy category.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I'm not sure, but Well, you're actually singing in
Disney songs, so yeah, you'remaking the music.
Wow, that's cool, yeah, so yeah, he won the Emmy, he won the
Grammy, he got an honorary Oscar.
Okay, so there's the no thatcounts, that counts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I'm sick of this bullshit.
If you get an honorary Oscar,it counts, because they know
that they fucked up.
That's true, come on.
That's why they had to give oneto Sandra Bullock for the Blind
Side, maybe the worst movie incinematic history, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
And he got the Tony Award to finish out the EGOT.
The only reason I don't likethe honorary stuff is because
you know when celebrities go andthey do your commencement
speeches at their school, theyalways get a honorary degree.
It's like you know how much Ijust fucking paid for this shit
and now you just show up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You're a moron.
And now you get one.
You're an idiot.
Free, they get to talk to you.
Yeah, they didn't go to college.
You're a moron.
Oh, I suck again.
Yeah, you know, I think myenglish degree is gonna pay for
itself when, uh, he was also.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
He was honored with the National Medal of Arts in
1992 and the Kennedy CenterHonor in 2002.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Nice, all very well deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, on September 9, 2024, james Earl Jones passed
away at his home in Pauling, newYork, at the age of 93.
Another long life, nice yeah.
His death was confirmed by hisagentry mcpherson, though no
cause was cited at 90 93 is thecause like, yeah, he's dead he's
dead yeah, so tributes againfor him poured out around the

(01:02:57):
world.
Vice president kamala harris.
She praised jones for using hisvoice to challenge america's
thinking on civil rights andrace.
No, thank you, actor denzelwashington, I'm not even gonna.
No, no, well you know she putpeople in prison, okay, well, we
all know actor denzelwashington banking on civil
rights and race.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
No, thank you, actor Denzel Washington, I'm not even
going to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
No, no, well, you know she put people in prison,
okay, well, we all know, actorDenzel Washington referred to
him as his hero, expressingadmiration for Jones' influence
on his own career.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Nice, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
The Empire State Building I missed.
This Empire State Building waslit up to resemble Darth Vader.
In his honor and his alma mater, the University of Michigan
released a tribute videonarrated by Jones himself.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I do USA all the way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
No, so literally we embraced it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
We are like yeah, darth was our leader.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah, and one of our most iconic buildings.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Now, of course, Dick Cheney is the real-life Darth
Vader.
He's got a fake heart and shit.
He's half machine.
It's all coming together.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
James Earl Jones.
You know his legacy remains asone about perseverance, talent
and profound impact on socialissues.
He overcame personal challengesto become one of the most
respected and beloved figures inthe arts Absolutely.
His voice, once hindered by astutter, became a symbol of
strength and authority.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
That's a good reminder.
Yes, you can get through it,yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
He's survived by his son, Flynn Earl Jones, who
continues his father's legacy inthe arts.
So that will lead us to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Final Thoughts the Star Wars universe, one of the
greatest of all times, a greatanalogy of what happens when
corrupt powers take over theworld and the citizens have to
stand up for their rights andblow up the enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
That's right, and yeah, it lets you know that
you're never too big to ruinyour own franchise's films.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Congratulations, George Lucas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, so RIP to everyone we spoke about today.
Everyone is an absolute legend.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yes, and it was kind of nice.
There was no major murder oranything else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, this one's kind of a fun one, a little relief
to the child murder andeverything we've been talking
about lately.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, carrie Fisher, definitely the saddest Died way,
way too young.
But everyone else seemed tohave a fairly long life, and
even Carrie Fisher.
She was famous.
Till the end, I would almostargue she was at a precipice.
She was the top of the mountainwhen she died.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Right and, like you said, I wouldn't mind dying in
first class.
It's the worst places to die.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Someone's going to sit by you or kind of by you,
and then you start shittingyourself and stuff.
It's kind of funny.
I'm going to die in thebathroom.
No, that'd be awful.
No, on a plane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
You'd rather be dead in the bathroom.
Yeah, it's cozy.
Last thing taking a shit in aplane.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
I'd be sipping a drink in first class.
That's better.
Yeah that's true, I'd bewearing it.
That's embarrassing.
That is All right, and thatwill bring us to You've Got Mail
, let's go.
Here we go.
We've got some great Spotifycomments from people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yes, thank you so much for the kind words.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
It's very encouraging to read them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yes, let's see here On the Adam Walsh tragedy, how a
Father's Pain Changed America.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Oh lordy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
That was a very sad one.
It was sad.
It got a lot of people talking.
Even Boom said Kyle's baby isso big.
I'm convinced Ben's the mom.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Thank you, I did birth.
Don't tell Kaylina that thebaby mama yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Because I birthed him .
Fricka said this intro waseverything, so thank you.
And Goblin Bomber said this wasa tough one.
Good shit, boys.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, and lastly, Vintage Chic by Babs said it's
amazing and tragic what theseparents went through and came
out the other side as heroes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yeah, they saved a lot of lives.
They really did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
It wasn't until actually doing that episode that
you really have to give it upfor them, and they need to go
down in the history books.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
As you know, changing everything to keep our kids
safe.
I have no idea how I wouldreact.
I'd be real pissed yeah you'rereally pissed and I don't know,
especially because they weren'tin entertainment before.
The fact that they were like,well, let's pivot and save as
many kids as we can is reallyamazing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, exactly so thank you everybody all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Thank you so much for listening.
We'll be back next week.
Don't forget to support OK Bud.
Also, if you want to check outour Patreon, patreoncom, slash
diebud.
And yeah, all right, everyoneHail yourself.
And until next week don't godying on us now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Bye-bye, bye you have just heard a true Hollywood
murder mystery.
I have never seen anything likethis before.
The movies, broadway, music,television all of it A place
that manufactures nightmares.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Okay, everybody.
That's a wrap.
Good night.
Please drive home carefully andcome back again soon.

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