Gene Hackman: The Final Take (Episode 155)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gene Hackman was Hollywood royalty.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
And the Oscar goes to Gene Hackman in Unforgiveness.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
An actor who commanded every scene.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
I don't care what the scoreboard says at the end of
the game.
In my book, we're going to bewinners.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
A legend who walked away at the peak of his game.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
There's no script in front of you, no one's calling.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Gene.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hackman no, it's probably all over in front of
you.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
No one's calling Gene Hackman, no, it's probably all
over.
For years he lived in quietobscurity at his New Mexico
sanctuary with his wife and dogs, but when the credits rolled,
the real story was justbeginning.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Gene Hackman and his wife, along with their dog, all
found dead in their home.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Was it old age, accidental overdose or was he
murdered by a secret Hollywoodcabal?
We search for answers today onDeath in Entertainment.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Here in.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hollywood now.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Two counts of murder.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
Injury and death oh my God, shocking new details
that has stunned theentertainment world.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Just like in the movies.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
What do you call this thing anyway?

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Death In entertainment.

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It's a quick turnaround butthere is a lot of suspicion in
the air regarding the timelyslash, untimely death of Gene

(01:50):
Hackman.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's get into it, but first we must warn you that
there might be a few chuckles.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
You know, serious stuff, laughter will ensue.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
Yes, so don't get all bent out of shape about it.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
It's gallows humor.
It's okay.
We're on the brink of World WarIII, we need to laugh into the
abyss.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
If we weren't laughing, we'd be crying, that's
right, and with that let's takeit away, okay, well, I don't

(02:37):
know about you guys, but I never.
The ratio has never been thistiny between when my brain was
thinking about Gene Hackman andnot thinking about Gene Hackman.
Okay, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
No, not, really, Not at all.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Not at all, Alejandro .
I went from not really thinkingabout Gene Hackman that much
that now I'm obsessed.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah Right, this is the unfortunate death of all
artists.
No one cares about them whenthey're alive, and then, all of
a sudden, they're dead, withtheir wife and their dog, and
now we care.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, I was curious what he had been up to, though,
yeah, and I sort of found out.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Interesting because I've seen some pictures and I
think he was up to not eating.
He was too skinny.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
I'm not going to lie, I thought he was already dead
in a way, aren't we all?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
he certainly looked dead in the paparazzi photos
that surface.
Yes, not too long ago, butwe're jumping the gun a little
bit, okay, first I would like totake us on a trip to 1930 san
bernardino, california hey, getout of here.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
You're not the right race.
Hey, they're letting in bars.
Now Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
That is when and where.
Okay, mr Gene Hackman enteredthis planet.
Wow.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Because you can't die if you weren't born.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Right.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's a good point, powerful.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Powerful.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
His parents were Anna and Eugene and they moved
around a bit before settling inDanville, illinois.
I know.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Danville, I've been there.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yep, how is it Not a guy named Stephen Town?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
So is that like Southern Illinois?
I don't know the exact area.
Well, no, I'm asking because ifit's sort of in the Chicagoland
, it's around there.
Okay, I'll just say that Waybetter than Southern Illinois.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I lived in Wheon illinois, for a little while as
well.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
I got kicked out of preschool for sitting on a kid,
for making fun of a gal.
I liked, oh, yes, indeed it wasa real bully.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's closer to indianapolis.
There you go, gotcha, okay.
Well, his dad found work thereat the local newspaper.
Oh so he was a bit of a newsman, and as a child, gene had to
spend a lot of time lookingafter his grandma while his
parents were making a living.
Okay, what was wrong with hisgrandmother?
Well, she was probably just old.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
She wasn't looking after him.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, he was taking care of her.
Wow, that's nice.
Yeah, feeding her, changing thediaper.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
That'll lead to something A little Harold and
Maude.
Yeah, diaper, that'll lead tosomething A little Harold and
Maude.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, unfortunately, though, his parents divorced
when he was only 13 years old.
A tough age to deal with, that,I would say.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I always felt bad for people who got parents that
were getting divorced duringhigh school time, because my
parents got divorced when I wastwo.
I don't remember them beingtogether Right.
So it was always normal thatthey weren't together, yeah.
And when you see them togetherand then all of a sudden they
hate each other, it's like, oh,that must not be good.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, especially at that time in life.
You're going through puberty,everything is uncertain, and
then you're like, yeah, myparents are divorcing.
Yeah, I had a couple of friendsgo through that as well.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, Junior high, that's even harder than high
school.
I mean it's.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'm not going to judge, but I think pre-three
years old get it done, and thenpost-18.
Exactly, that's true.
You just got to eat it for 15years.
But of course everyrelationship is different.
Yeah, and sometimes a divorceis necessary.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, it gets worse.
Oh boy, one fateful day his dadwalked by and waved to him.
So then he waves back.
Oh, hey, dad, see you later.
Yeah, can't wait for dinner.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
His dad never came back oh, a pack of cigarettes
and out yeah, he did that.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, he didn't realize that that was actually a
goodbye wave oh that's so sad.
Yeah, so post-divorce heditched the family.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
Wow well, a guy like that you don't really want
around anyway I guess not.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
No, but it's devastating yeah, exactly, it's
traumatic, right.
So, yeah, needless to say, yetis his grandma and his mom then,
and he acted out by stealingsoda pop and candy from a mom.
Pasha, well, that's a good wayto act out, it's very 1930s.
Very son of a newspaper man hey, you got any of those cracker

(06:49):
jacks.
He spent some time in juviejail for that wow which seems
kind of harsh for stealing candy.
I just wanted a soda pop.
Hey, what are you in for?
Yeah, I stole a ring pop, yeahsame same here.
I've been here for 16 years oh,also I murdered someone, yeah,

(07:11):
but they got me on the ring pop.
At 16 he joined the marines hey, at 16 my yeah he school was
not for him.
Okay, you know, and I don'tblame him, it's a lot going on.
You know, dad left and you knowyou got to hang out with grandma
You're in juvie and that lastedfor about four and a half years

(07:34):
.
Awesome.
He wasn't the best Marine,though self-admittedly he just
didn't care that much.
I get it.
He's an actor which you knowwhat.
I have heard in interviews thathe had a problem with authority
.
I'm sure he did.
Yeah, so that's why he didn'tlast long in the Marines.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
That would be my major problem, yeah, and later
on, he would often havecontentious relationships with
directors because of that.
And it's interesting, becausethere was many roles where he
played a military man.
True, there was many roleswhere he played a military man.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
True, I feel like I remember him mostly in Fatigues.
Yeah, like Crimson Tide.
Yes, that was a huge one forhim.
So his mom could sense that hehad the acting bug.
Although he was a shy kid thisis interesting he wasn't going
out for the school play.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, a lot of times the school play is full of a
bunch of people that it's moreof a clique, right it?
Of a bunch of people that it'smore of a clique Right.
It's difficult to join and it'skind of intimidating.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah, the theater kids are being mean they can
bully.
They can.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh my goodness, yeah, yeah, so he thought about it,
though, kind of like the personthat sits near the class clown
and thinks of a good joke butthen doesn't say it.
Yep.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
I was class clown rowdiest and loudest.
But I missed class rebel bythree votes Went to Tyler and
that's the only one.
I wanted Fucking Tyler.
I know he was a drummer, he wasoverweight, he was cool.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, of course it's a drummer that wins the rebel.
Yeah, I know.
So there was another fatefulday in young Gene's life.
One afternoon he went to see amatinee with his mom and in the
lobby afterwards she tells him Iwant to see you do that that's

(09:11):
nice yeah, and he never forgotthat, and that was the only time
that he and his mom everdiscussed acting wow.
A major influence on him wasalso james cagney from the
public eye and yankee doodledandy, of course, yankee doodle
dandy and I could see thatbecause he sort of carried the

(09:33):
torch for james cagney.
If you've seen any, probably alot of people have and I love
james cagney, yeah, you know,but he was like a kind of scary,
tough, powerful, powerfulpresence in the movies.
So imagine a character namedYankee Doodle Dandy.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, very intimidating.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Or Public Enemy.
That's it, the Public Enemy,right, I think I said Public.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Enemy?
Oh yes, Of course I know whothat is.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I said the wrong title.
Yes, yeah, but he's prettymenacing.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yes, I see this now.
Yes, yeah, but he's prettymenacing.
Yes, I see this now.
Yes, he is quite scary.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Especially when the medium of film is quite new.
It's like boom, like this iswhat you can do with it.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
you know I remember his image from Turner Classic
Movies.
Yeah, he was in their likemontage before, like every movie
they would play.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Exactly, yeah, so he gave it a go.
First back in California.
David would go first back inCalifornia.
So interesting.
He starts out in San Bernardino, then goes to Illinois, joins
the Marines, then he heads toPasadena Okay, and he joins the
Pasadena Playhouse.
Was he hanging out at aWinchell's?
No, thankfully.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, the old Pasadena Playhouse.
Don't bring your kids.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, a playhouse, don't bring your kids.
Yeah.
And he made fast friends withfellow struggling thespians
Robert Duvall and Dustin Hoffman.
Get out of town and he calledhim Dusty.
Dusty.
You know you're close when youcall him Dustin Hoffman.
Dusty, that's very true.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
He kind of looks dusty.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
And greasy Midnight Cowboy.
Definitely Is that the debut ofyour Hoffman.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
My impression got to go to Kmart, got to get
underwear at Kmart, yep.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
So, while at the Pasadena Playhouse get this, he
and Hoffman were both votedleast likely to succeed.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
What the fuck is that ?
It's a popularity contest.
They didn't say the right thingto the prettiest guy there.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And they're like we hate these two.
Yeah, and that's kind ofunfortunate that he was afraid
to go out for the school play.
Then he finally gets the gutsto join the playhouse and they
say you suck yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
Why would they even vote on that Like it's a
creative place?

Speaker 5 (11:45):
it's like you schmucks aren't gonna make it
I'm telling you they're brutal,their actors are brutal, yeah
thanks for your money and payingfor all these classes, but
exactly you ain't gonna come outof here with anything it's like
people in ucb 12, oh god I'm onlevel 12.
They told me the next level issnl.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, no, it's not, I promise that's what I was told
in Chicago, and boy did I takeout my credit card.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Still paying that off .

Speaker 5 (12:08):
for that, open mics are free.
They are.
And starting a comedy troupe isfree, not always, not always
Five bucks.
Maybe you shouldn't be spendingthousands of dollars.
Go learn in front of a crowd,in front of a live crowd.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
They'll let you know how you are.
That's true.
Hackman then fled to new yorkcity and he said I'm gonna show
them.
And hoffman followed closebehind.
Wow, gene met and married awoman named faye maltese no
relation to the maltese falconor the dog or the dog and
eventually they had three kidsson, son Christopher, and

(12:46):
daughters Elizabeth and Leslie.
So Dusty stayed on the kitchenfloor, their kitchen floor.
Can you imagine this One offthe couch?

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Newlyweds yeah, but one off the couch Because he's
Dusty.
He's got to be on a linoleum.
You can clean it this year.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's a New York apartment.
It was probably pretty tiny,okay, maybe the living room was
the kitchen.
That's possible, true, and youknow they had fun together.
One of the things they would dois pretend they were marlon
brando and play the bongostogether.
Okay, and this is many yearsbefore matthew mcconaughey would

(13:22):
do that naked.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh, that's right, remember that story.
He was caught one time.
I know.
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Of course he's the ambassador in Austin Texas.
He's the cultural ambassador,oh boy.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
It took Hackman seven years to get his first paid
acting gig, and that was inChaparral off broadway in 1958.
This play.
Eventually, faye and genedecided to kick dusty out of
their apartment.
Hey, get out of here.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
They remained friends .
That's good, because I know alot of these actor types who
just mooch and mooch and moochand they're like what do you
mean?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I gotta go.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
It's only been seven years it's like no go, good go,
yeah, figure it out.
It is amazing the idea thatDustin Hoffman was just like
shooed out like Nermal the cat,yeah, like we're sending you to
Abu Dhabi, yeah, at some pointyou got to get out of our
kitchen.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Of course, at some point they have to cook.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Right, you back what you what?
You're cooking.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Oh, can I be table again he wouldn't do those weird
acting exercises, probably getout of here.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, he's probably prepping for tootsie.
He's got caught wearing dressesaround the house.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Oh yeah, gotta go it's so funny because my older
brother does drag and I rememberwatching tootsie with my father
and my brothers, and after themovie my dad loved it, by the
way, but afterwards he's likejust so you know it, not right.
It's not right for a man towear a dress, oh my God.
But my God, with two gay olderbrothers later, I'm the straight
one.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Many, many years later, dusty and Hackman would
appear together in the movieRunaway Jury.
Oh, and that was their onlytime together on screen.
Wow, and that was their onlytime together on screen.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Wow, in a 2004 Vanity Fair article Hackman said that
he had a terrible memory ofworking as a doorman at the
Chrysler building.
I could not see him being acomforting person when it comes
to like welcome, welcome, and hejust looks like an ashtray.
Yeah, I don't feel like thelove, welcome in, he just looks
like an ashtray.
Yeah, I don't feel like thelove.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And so one of the people that he was in the
Marines with a former officerpassed by him one day and he had
to open the door for him.
And then the officer saidHackman, you're a sorry son of a
bitch.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Hackman's just getting piled up, I know, like
first the Pasadena Playhouse,then this Marine officer.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
First his dad leaves.
He's like see you later, loserRight.
Then everyone else is justbeing just as mean.
Is everyone friends with hisdad?

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Dustin Hoffman's in there eating all the bologna.
When he comes home, there'snothing.
Yes, hey.
Well, you can have a breadsandwich, can't you?

Speaker 6 (15:59):
yeah, I live here.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You live in my kitchen okay, so the story
continues to be tragic, I'msorry to say.
Oh boy, in 1962 hackman's momdied after she got so drunk that
she passed out with a litcigarette in her hand.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
One out of four people before 1980 died this way
yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
And the house went ablaze, oh my God, and so did
she.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Wow, I mean died.
It's so cliche, but doing whatshe loved to do yeah, getting
hammered, smoking a cig.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Passing out.
Passing out.
It was around this time thatHackman moved back to California
, specifically Hollywood, tofinally once and for all pursue
movie roles, and his mom wouldnever get to see him actually
act.
Oh, that's too bad, wow.
Even though that one commentmade a profound impact on his

(16:58):
life, I believe it.
Here's a bit of trivia.
Hackman turned down the leadrole of the Graduate, which went
to his bestie, dustyInteresting, and instead his big
break was in Bonnie and Clydein 1967.
He played Clyde's brother Buck,who was an accomplice in the
bank robberies.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Okay, well, that definitely would have been a
different movie.
The Graduate with Gene.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Hackman oh for sure, yeah, I think it worked out.
And the weird part is both ofthem look like they were 45
years old at that time.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
But, he's supposed to be a Dohiat College student.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
It's been a long four years.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Bonnie and Clyde was a cultural phenomenon that
really kicked off the newHollywood.
That bled into the 1970s.
You know, easy rider was alittle bit later, but bonnie and
clyde I mean, if you can justimagine it.
Audiences are used to movieslike the sound of music and the

(17:57):
haze code, where you can't swear, you can't show nudity and in
every movie.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Every movie has to have a nazi narrative.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, exactly yeah, carrie grant going to war and
fighting for the states.
Well, bonnie and clyde, I mean,there's like sexual innuendo,
it's violent, there's a lot ofswearing, it's just a.
It's like a modern movie, yeah,but it was the first of its
kind.
Hackman was definitely noticed.
He got his first oscarnomination for supporting actor.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Damn also, if you want to see the bonnie and clyde
car, it's at buffalo bill'scasino.
Oh shit, yes, indeed, right onthe way to vegas.
Right on the way to vegas.
I stayed there a couple oftimes.
Not a good place, yeah, but uhinteresting good old prim nevada
.
In prim I won big on the picksix.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Nice Congratulations.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
No problem.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Thanks.
So of all the movies that hewished his mom could have seen,
he says that it's I Never Sangfor my Father, which was
released in 1970, because hesaid it was a sensitive
portrayal about family andrelationships.
Yeah, I would imagine.
It's about a college professorwho has a difficult relationship

(19:10):
with his dad in the wake of hismom's death.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
And perhaps we'll touch on it, but does he ever
re-night with his dad?
He?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
did, and he actually said that he didn't have any
bitterness None at all.
He must have worked on that andthat he loved his dad to the
end.
But of course one never forgetsyeah, you were abandoned by him
, right?
So I don't think that they werethat close, especially when a
boy needs his father.
Yeah, but he did take the highroad, that's good and

(19:42):
incidentally, that role in Inever sang for my father earned
him a second oscar nominationfor best supporting actor so he
really went from zero to ahundred, very exactly wow yeah,
least likely to succeed.
By the way, remember that, yeah,they're never right, they're
just jealous of your talent andhe would not actually win an

(20:03):
Oscar until a couple years later, with the French Connection,
released in 1971, directed byone of our favorites, William
Friedkin.
Yes, and that's about a pair ofdetectives who and there's this
heroin smuggling ring andthey're trying to stop the bad

(20:24):
guy.
You know, yeah, classic, goodversus evil yeah, a bad guy.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
You know, yeah, classic good versus evil.
Yeah, a lot of tire screeching,yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
And for those wondering, I have no idea who
that guy is.
Who William Friedkin?

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Director of the.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Exorcist.
Oh, I love him, yeah Great.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
I don't know names.
He's done like so manydifferent types of movies.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
He has a very weird, uh imdb list, yeah, interesting,
and we've touched on him on thepodcast before because we've
talked about we had an episodeon the exorcist, yeah, and he's
just an interesting guy.
He didn't take no guff, hedidn't take any guff whatsoever
yeah who was he talking about?

Speaker 6 (20:56):
al pacino and he goes I don't give a roll a flying
fuck through a rolling donut.
What al pacino thinks of myfilms that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
They didn't get along on the set of Cruising.
Oh, that's a great horror film?

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Sure is yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I used to have a t-shirt.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Oh my God, it's just low-cut.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, it's just low-cut leather.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Hey man, I don't mess with them.
Nope, there's a bar near uscalled the Bullet.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know, those gay bars just sound very, very
aggressive.
Yeah, like jackhammer.
Yeah, catch a bullet.
So french connection is famousfor that driving sequence where
william friedkin almost diedholding a camera on top of a car
to get the shot for the bigchase.
Cool, and it's an amazingsequence.
If you watch it, you're nevergoing to see that with cgi today
and they never blocked off thestreet.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
So they were really like, yeah, is that right?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
oh my god, yeah, just imagine being on your way to
work and you're just like so theguy did the exorcist what's
happening?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
gene hackman, what?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
and gene hackman, of course, played jimmy popeye
doyle, the detective, and thatis named after the, the cartoon
character, because the characteris based on real life detective
Eddie Egan, and apparently hewould flex his muscles after
catching a criminal.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
He gave it five booms .
Yeah, Boom boom, boom, boom,boom.
You got to do it.
I mean, that's the problem withthe boom guys.
Yeah.
What was the worst part aboutgetting arrested for armed
robbery?
He gave me five booms.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, I got five booms.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Let's watch a clip from the French Connection.
And one thing about this clipif you wanna play a drinking
game, take a sip every time youhear the word Poughkeepsie.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Okay, you ever been to Poughkeepsie?
Huh, have you ever been toPoughkeepsie?
Hey man, come on, give me abreak, hey, Aaron what you
talking about?
Let me hear you say it Come on.
Have you ever been toPoughkeepsie?
You've been to Poughkeepsie,haven't you?
I want to hear it Come on.
Yes, yes, yes, you've been Allright.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
I just drank my seven sips of coffee.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm wired after that.
So Hackman did win the Oscarfor best leading actor.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
There we go, finally he got it, but he's always in
the running, he's always in themix.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and it also won best picture Nice, and this
kicked off a very prolificcareer.
He averaged about two movies ayear.
That sounds about right.
Yeah, because when we grew upthere was always a gene hackman
movie somewhere.
Right, absolutely his personalfavorite movie that he worked on
is called scarecrow uh, it'snot welcome to moose port which

(23:41):
he starred with Al Pacino.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yeah, also, isn't he one?
Gene Hackman is one of thoseguys that's always been old
right.
Yeah, we've never seen himyoung Right and he did, even
though he's not that really.
He's really not that old inthese movies.
No.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
He did start off kind of old though, because it took
him a while to get going Right,him a while to get going right.
So he wasn't like a young buck,even though he did play young
buck.
But yeah, scarecrow apparentlywas a huge box office
disappointment and it turned himoff from doing other art films

(24:16):
like it scarred him.
That's why he did so manycommercial movies after that and
he would second guess takingroles in other movies like Jaws
Cuckoo's Nest Raiders of theLost Ark.
He turned down those roles andSilence of the Lambs.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
What was he going to be in Silence of the Lambs?
Hannibal Lecter Wow, that wouldhave been awesome too.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think it wouldn't have been bad.
Not as good, I don't thinkbecause the role was made for.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Anthony Hopkins.
I can see Gene Hackman with theBilly Club slamming it into the
head of the officer.
I could see that, though thereare definitely moments in that
movie that Gene Hackman would dogreat in.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
But he later did reflect and say that he loves
the flop Scarecrow withoutPacino.
So we got to watch thatsometime, I think Going to scare
some crows.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Going to get these crows off me, scare crows got a
big ass.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
All I think is Dunkachinos.
That's not even real.
It's a parody and I hate it forhelping people.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
I love it.
Jack and Jill reference Jackand Jill.
I've never seen it.
It's Alejandro's favorite movie.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I've been trying to get Kyle to watch the Love Guru
and Jack and Jill forever.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
We can all sit down and watch it.
I'll light a fire and you know,we can throw ourselves into it
afterwards.
Yeah, exactly, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
And why don't we take a look at this interview from
1976 with this surly British guywho is not so subtle about what
he thinks about Hackman'sappeal as a leading man?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Wow, not so subtle about what he thinks about
hackman's appeal as a leadingman.
Wow, do you ever wonder why itshould have happened to you?
Um, because you're not reallyin the kind of pretty mold of
robert redford in the superstar,are you, did you?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
think I don't know, I thought I was.
Perhaps you're not quite aspretty as robert redford, oh my
god, do you think that theaverage american identifies with
you more than he does with withredford or mQueen I have no
idea.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I ask myself that every morning when I shave what
are you doing in this business?
You know You're on a pass.
Go steal the money before theyfinally take a good hard look at
you?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't know.
That's really a mystery to me.
That's really a mystery and I'mafraid if I examine it too
closely it'll really startfrightening me.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
What if I grab your ankles and wave you like the old
American flag?
Yeah, you bastard, what are youtalking about?
He's a handsome man.
He's rugged.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, and I actually can refute that,
because my mom once told me thatshe had a crush on Gene Hackman
A lot of women did Wow.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
That's when women did Wow.
That's when women liked StrongSurely boy.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, she said he was dashing.
Ooh, after the Frenchconnection.
Success isn't even the wordright, it goes to the
stratosphere.
Then he does the PoseidonAdventure, which was another
huge hit.
And so for his next movie hereceived over a million dollars.

(27:08):
It was called Lucky Lady andthat flopped like the scarecrow.
But he was cemented as aleading man in Hollywood.
There you go.
And in 1972, he made Nixon'sList of Enemies.
How about that?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
That's awesome.
That's the list you want to beon.
Bring him in here.
I hate talking to Gene Hackman.
Is he a Jew?
No word if he's Jewish.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Call him a Jew.
Are you a crook?
So Hackman usually stayed outof politics but apparently he
was a lifelong Democrat, but Ithink, moderate because he loved
Reagan.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well, the party has changed quite a bit.
Yeah right, Can't wait for themto get back.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, and then I mean so many classics in the 70s
alone the Conversation, theCoppola movie and Superman.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, that's where I know him from.
Now we're talking my speed,okay.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
We got a clip of him as Lex Luthor Evil Super.
Was he a genius?
He's a genius.
Just the most evil super geniusof all time he's up there.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Everything west of this line is the richest, most
expensive real estate in theworld San Diego, Los Angeles,
San Francisco, Everything onthis side of the line is just
hundreds and hundreds of milesof worthless desert land, which
just so happens to be owned byAlex Luthor Incorporated.
Now, call me foolish, call meirresponsible.

(28:39):
It occurs to me that a 500megaton bomb planted at just the
proper point would destroy mostof California, the West Coast
as we know.
It would fall into the sea.
Bye-bye California.
Hello new West Coast, my WestCoast.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Wow, I think that just happened, interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, very timely.
So he also appeared in Superman2, but then that one, famously
Richard Donner, had a fallingout with Warner Brothers and he
was kicked off that and thispissed off Gene Hackman, so he
refused to appear in Superman 3.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Which one did Superman have his hair holding
up that big old ball?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I remember that he had a strand of pubic hair and
it was holding up like a 10 000pound ball it was probably the
third one, because that's whereit got like really wacky yeah
with richard pryor yeah, it's ina museum, yeah, but then the
canon group took over thefranchise and offered hackman a
ton of money to appear insuperman 4, the quest for peace,

(29:45):
which is the worst superheromovie ever made.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Oh my god that says a lot too yeah, even worse than
like the original green.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Uh, what was it?
Uh, oh my god, the greenlantern with ryan.
Even worse than that, I it's atie.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Okay put it this Plan 9 from Outer Space is a better
movie than Superman 4.
There you go.
And yeah, it was a majorfinancial flop.
Or, excuse me, canon was goingthrough a lot of financial
troubles and so they had to cutthe budget.
That's why it's so cheaplooking yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a guy on strings
that we can notably see Exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a guy on strings
that we can notably see Exactly,it's stuff like that.
Then he follows that up withHoosiers.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I remember Hoosiers yeah, we had to watch that in
seventh grade.
Learn the game of basketball,baby.
Learn the game of passion.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yep, dennis Hopper also great in that.
Dennis Hopper fantastic in that.
So Dennis Hopper fantastic inthat.
So, with that career high,there's also a low, a personal
low, because he and Faye getdivorced.
He broke up with the MalteseMm-hmm After 30 years of
marriage.
The Falcon flew Wow 30 years.

(30:55):
Yeah, and then we gotMississippi Burnin'.
Oh, that's a hard one to watchVery important movie I know it's
the white savior thing, but ishe not amazing in that?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
yeah, it was also.
I mean, for the time that was avery important film, oh for
sure, yeah, I've just heard somecriticism about it by spike lee
it's not the well you spike,lee will criticize and I'm not
going to sit here and say thatyou shouldn't.
But it's not the blind side,that's a white savior and that's
why that man, what is it?
Or?
Or he's suing that family.
They're fucking scumbags.
The blind side makes my skincrawl they'll be like I can't

(31:30):
believe that white woman is inthe black area and it's like,
yeah, people live there, yeahyou can survive taking a walk if
you want is that the one shewon the oscar for oh, yeah, oh
that movie is such trash, it'sgarbage.
They had that little white kidtrying to.
They pretend like he taughtthis guy how to play football.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I can't, I'm not if the academy had any credibility
left, it was gone with that oneabsolutely who are those people,
but we'll talk about that lateryeah, I mean, he did so many
movies.
Narrow margin is anotherunderrated one from 1990, a
great thriller.
But again, you know, his careerhighs are also marked with

(32:08):
personal lows, because he had aheart attack in 1990.
I heard a tick.
Yeah, geez, he was, uh, youknow hacking, I guess there go.
He had chest pains, right, andI guess he had a balloon-sized
catheter inserted into one ofhis arteries, yeah, to pump it
up, which had become dangerouslynarrow, like the margin in that

(32:33):
thriller movie.
Hey, Starring at the time.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, I think I blame the name of the movie.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Narrow margin what?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
are they asking it's the most boring name I have.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
It's a narrow margin.
What is the most boring name Ihave?
It's a narrow margin.
Yeah, it sounds like shit.
Yeah, what am I talking?
What did we talk?
What is it about?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
maybe the universe was just trying to warn him.
Yeah, oh could be narrow arteryhey, it is a good movie though.
So he underwent successfulangioplasty surgery and that was
that all the problem.
I mean, he lasted a long timeafter that it's 1990, right 1991
?
1990.

(33:08):
Yep, okay, 1991,.
He got married again oh, that'sgood for the heart To a woman
named Betsy Arakawa, a classicalpianist and businesswoman from
Hawaii.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Nice.
Yeah, I just had a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
let me relax by getting married whoa kyle
telling the truth floof maybe hegot a look at that prenup and
had the heart attack.
You never know.
Uh, they met each other at agym in california and then they
built a quiet life together inNew Mexico.

(33:44):
What could go wrong?
Nothing, not in New Mexico.
And they constructed theirdream home with the help of
architect friends, and it waseven featured on MTV Cribs.
It was Whoa no.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
I was going to say I cannot imagine Gene.
Hackman coming in with theblack light and be like where's
your semen?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yo, he's with the main man, Gene Hackman.
It was featured inArchitectural Digest.
Oh slightly different and Ihave a little excerpt from that
describing the estate.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
Nice Say this is where the magic happens.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yes, kyle, actually, if you will.
Okay, this is directly from thearticle describing this dream
home yeah, we are not messingaround here and I have to ask is
this you again?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
yeah, did you write this article?

Speaker 6 (34:32):
he was four years old writing this, okay yeah, I
started gaga gene hackman nicehouse.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I started out at architecturalest and moved on to
the Badger Herald.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Yes, Quote his newest house is on 12 acres of
pinon-covered hilltop, a fewmiles north of Santa Fe, with a
360-degree view that stretchesas far as the mountains of
Colorado.
Oh, he was attracted to SantaFe after working on a couple of
movies there.
Quote, it had a kind of magicin it there, quote, it had a

(35:05):
kind of magic in it.
Uh the quote.
The house is described as,quote, a blend of styles part
pueblo, part colonial new mexico, part spanish baroque.
Uh, more primitive, like a barnconverted into a house, massive
and cozy at the same time oh, Ilove massive and cozy.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, that's like me, so can y'all feel this?
Yes this is where he issettling it's sanctuary yes, I
can smoke that cigar.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Right now it's hanging out new mexico,
beautiful mountains, cozy couchyeah I'm thinking a lot of tan
and taupe oh yeah, but hecontinues working in hollywood.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
In 1992 he wins another oscar, whoa guy cannot
be denied for unforgiven.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
The revisionist western from clint eastwood.
Wait, is it?

Speaker 5 (35:47):
revisionist.
That's my truth.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Unforgiven documentary yes, and hackman
played ruthless sheriff littlebill daggart, and that was kind
of the start of clint'srenaissance, I would say,
because before that he haddirected some movies but he
wasn't known as a great directorI think this cemented that.
Oh yeah, I mean think about itthen he goes on to do later on

(36:13):
mystic river.
That's right.
Million dollar, baby, is thatit?

Speaker 5 (36:17):
no, there was the, uh , the one that he did richard
jewel, that was pretty good.
Yeah, that was, was the onethat he did Richard Jewell.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
that was pretty good.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I forgot that was him .

Speaker 5 (36:22):
The one where he's an older fella and he works with a
lot of Hmong actors.
Graham Torino, yes, grahamTorino.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Get off my lawn.
I thought that was pretty good.
Oh yeah, he's a great filmmakerlet's just say that.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
And everyone knows, when I'm old I'm going to say
get on my lawn lawn.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Really freak him out.
Come on, hang out with me, siton my lap.
Come on, get on my lawn.
The gang is like we don't knowwhat to do.
Yeah, hang out.
So, yeah, I'm forgiven is whatyou get when you mix two greats,
am I right?
Yes, and then he followed thatup with listen to these titles,
get shorty.
Oh, so fun.
We mentioned crimson tide,which was a phenomenal hit and a
raw movie, because on set heaccidentally punched denzel

(37:08):
washington for real.
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (37:10):
uh-huh and crimson tide also just a fantastic
coming-of-age film about a womanwho gets her period.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
I liked it, thank you , that's why I get paid very few
dollars to be here.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Feel free to give to our Patreon, patreoncom slash
diebug.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I thought about it on the way home and it hit me.
So we've heard him play abadass cop and a badass bad guy,
but have we heard him do comedy?
Not yet Okay.
So we have a clip here from thebirdcage Hello, comedy not yet
okay.
So we have a clip here from thebirdcage hello.
In this scene he is meeting theparents of his future

(37:48):
son-in-law.
Got you and he's ducking ascandal because he's a
conservative senator and hisfellow conservative senator and
friend has dropped dead and hewas found dead with a hooker oh,
mama, so mama.
So that tension is building ashe's meeting.
Nathan Lane and Robin WilliamsLove it.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You know, I think homosexuality Lots more ice for
you, lots more ice, dad, one ofthe things that's weakening this
country Really.
You know, that's what I thoughtuntil I found out.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
Alexander the Great was a fag Talk about gays in the
military.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Not like those dolphins, huh.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
I think we're skirting an issue here that has
Mr Coleman very nervous.
I know you've heard theterrible news about Senator
Jackson, how he died, oh that.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yes, what an ugly story.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Of course we don't believe a word of it.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
What do you mean?
He was obviously framed, and Ifor one would like an autopsy.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That's just what Rush Limbaugh said.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
I mean, come on, it's also fantastic timing.
He's just a great actor.
And then Get Shorty wassarcastic, right, I guess not a
comedy, but it was a satire.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, it was a dark comedy.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
He did a voice in Ants.
So he also did a little cartoonvoiceover work.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
That was the big computer-generated cartoon rush
of the late 90s.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Right, we got some good stuff back then.
Yeah, we were all right.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
Bugs Life Toy Story.
They were all going for it.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
What was the bug?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
rush.
It sounds like.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
There's a lot behind Toy Story, a lot of intertwining
things with Pixar.
Ooh, watched a whole YouTubevideo on it.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And, incidentally, ants was a bit of a reunion
between him and Woody Allen.
Oh, because Woody Allen playsthe main Ant and they work
together on a movie calledAnother Woman in the 80s, which
is an excellent movie, by theway.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Okay, we're not going to get into Woody Allen.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Can I just mention, woody Allen gets into people.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
They work together.
Oh too soon-y Jeez.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Oh boy, oh nice.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Man Too soon-y Jesus, nice man, all right.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Anyway, boom, patreoncom slash skybud.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Come on now.
No.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Let the man live.
Let the man live.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
The remember how I mentioned that he did about two
a year.
Yes, well, in 2001, he did fivemovies.
Ooh Damn, the MexicanHeartbreakers Heist Behind and
Behind Enemy Lines and the RoyalTenenbaums.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Those were all amazing films so good, the Royal
Tenenbaums, one of my favoriteof all time.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Behind Enemy Lines.
Yeah, that was a good one too.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
It's a thriller Heartbreakers was good too.
Yeah, with Susan Sarandon, Ibelieve, being the uh, the older
person.
That's uh scamming and yesjennifer love hewitt jennifer
love hewitt.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Oh my god, yeah, looks ravishing in it her and
sigourney weaver oh sigourneyweaver.
That's what it was.
Yes, love it.
Heist is a david mammoth movie,by the way.
Oh, and that's has the famousline given by danny devito where
he says that's why they call itmoney.
Oh, and nobody has any ideawhat that means oh god okay,

(41:15):
good, and when you think aboutthe royal tenenbaums, that must
have been a very powerfulexperience, because he was
playing an awful father.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, it all comes together.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Also in 2001,.
There was a tragedy thatoccurred.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Are we going to mention it?
Yeah, go ahead, ben Well, theNew York Knicks didn't get out
of round one.
Yeah, we really thought withLarry.
Johnson.
We had a chance at the finals.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Kyle.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Britney Spears or Mariah Carey released glitter.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
No, hackman was involved in a road rage incident
.
Oh Two men, he took down twotowers in a road rage incident.
Two men who towered over himattacked him after hitting their
cars collided in Hollywood.
Oh my goodness, so geez.
Can a man just relax in thistown?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
I will say Los Angeles needs to like chill on
the road.
Oh for sure, so much road rage.
That's why I just drive forward, because you'll get shot.
You'll get shot.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, in 2003,.
That is when he appeared withDustin Hoffman for the one and
only time in Runaway Jury, whichwas his third John Grisham
movie.
Before that he had done theFirm and the Chamber.
And that same year he made arare appearance with wife Betsy
on the red carpet at the GoldenGlobes because they were

(42:40):
awarding him the cecil b demillelifetime achievement award mr
demille, I'm not dead yet.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Well, you know that when you get the lifetime
achievement award, it's like allright, pal, wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Wrap it up, clock is ticking sure, but they tend to
give it to people when they'restill sort of have have some
life in them, right, so they canenjoy it.
You don't want to see a bag ofbones in the seat, do you?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
well, ask calista flockhart hey, just again.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Wow, what a day.
And that would be their lastred carpet appearance together.
Wow, this was 20 years ago,yeah, longer that.
And then the next year, in2004,.
He starred in the movie Welcometo Mooseport hey, with Ray
Romano and, if you can believeit, ben, yeah, that was his

(43:31):
final appearance on the silverscreen, his swan song it's
Welcome to Mooseport.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Uh-huh Out of all the great things he's done.
Yeah, with Ray Romano.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh my God, it's an things he's done.
Yeah, with ray romano.
Oh my god.
In an interview with larry kingthat year he hinted at his
retirement.
It really wasn't much of a hint, actually.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
All right fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, I'm out,
yeah I don't have a project,larry, if you have a script.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I'll read it.
Nothing's on, there's no scriptin front of you.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
No one's calling Gene Hackman.
No, it's probably all over Whoa, so this is like the clear
ending on Larry King Live Right.
What about another book?
We're working on a Civil Warstory Again in the back, yeah,
back history, back history About200 pages into that.
You Back history About 200pages into that.

(44:25):
You keep going back.
Yeah, maybe I'll catch up, Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
What do you think you would have done if you didn't
do this?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
You know I did a lot of things.
I sold shoes, I drove a truck,I drove a cab, I jerked sodas.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Jerk sodas, I don't know what profession, I don't
know no-transcript.
Can you imagine him knocking onyour door?
You want life insurance.
You just soda jerked.
I'm going to take my lifeInteresting.
So he doesn't seem like he isthrilled with the idea of

(44:59):
retirement, though, or maybethat's just his personality,
maybe Because he's just likeit's over.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, actually, I kind of have the answer to
that, okay, but before that, younotice how he mentioned writing
.
Well, he met this guy, danielLenihan, on the set of the Firm
because there's a scuba divingscene, yeah, and this guy was
like a trainer, an expert, andwhat do you call one of the like

(45:27):
a marineologist?

Speaker 6 (45:28):
What Marine?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
biologist.
You're looking at the wrong guy.
A trainer Undersea.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Oh yeah, marine biologist.
Oh oh, he's an underseaarchaeologist.
There we go.
I had it right in my yeah justread the.
Thing so they hit it off on theset of the firm and they wrote a
bunch of books together.
Their first one was wake of theperdido star in 1999 it's a
great one and and then Justicefor None in 2004, which he

(45:53):
mentioned in the Larry Kinginterview, and they wrote a
couple more.
And then Hackman wrote a couplemore on his own, the last one
being published in 2013.
And it was a police thriller.
Cool yeah, so that's what hewas doing with his time when not
acting.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
And he was.
Was he writing the bulk of thebooks?
Was he actually sitting downand tangibly writing them, or
was it more like a partnership?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
It was a partnership.
He wrote his parts in longhand,which sounds awful it hurts.
And when the books werereleased they sold pretty well
but got bad reviews.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Well, if they're selling, who cares?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
yeah, exactly, I mean that if you had to pick one,
right?
Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever.
So after welcome to mooseport,hackman only appeared as a
voiceover for lowe's home andgarden stores in their
commercials, that's the dreamright there he officially
announced his retirement in 2008and he didn't really do that

(46:54):
many interviews and rarelytalked about his personal life
after that and usually on thejunkets he kept it very surface.
One appearance he made ispretty interesting to me.
He had a run-in with guy fieriand he took a trip down to
Flavortown.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Whoa Wow, this is the biggest credit yet.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
In a popular Santa Fe diner and I tracked down that
clip.
Uh-oh, I can't believe it.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Also.
Thank you for pronouncing.
Guy Fiete Fieri Did.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I say it right?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yes, great, I mean that's Fieri, but with respect,
when you say with respect, it'sFieri Today while we're in Santa
Fe, new Mexico, on the I-25 atHarry's Roadhouse.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
It's always good and it's always a pleasant place to
be.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Hi guys, we're all sorts of folks from all around
Santa Fe Kind of a staple, evenOscar-winning actor Gene Hackman
, and nobody pays the attention.
You know, just gotta cruise in.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yeah, until we come dragging our cameras across the
table.
We come dragging our camerasacross your table.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
What makes the Roadhouse, one of your go-to
spots, you know I can come inany way I want to.
I mean, compared to you lookpretty good, except your hair.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
What do you think about me Except?

Speaker 5 (48:02):
your hair.
That's awesome.
Imagine that being your dineryou go to.
You're like yeah, there's Gene,so cool, oh Gene.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I took a shot with Guy Fieri last year.
Yeah, you did At an Emmy event.
You did yeah because I was inthe front row and so he offered
us shots.
What?
Yeah, I cheers with him andeverything.
It was a very cool moment.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, we always talk about the brush with
greatness, like with David Lynchand.
Jerry Springer.
Well, guy Fieri is one of those.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
I didn't know you were so connected in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, me and Hackman.
We know Fieri Been to.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
Flavortown.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Some other hobbies he had besides riding and going to
diners.
He competed as a race cardriver In the late 70s.
He was I don't know.
He drove in a Daytona race once.
That's big.
He won the Long Beach GrandPrix Celebrity Race as well, so

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that's pretty cool.
He also loved biking.
But then tragedy follows thisguy because Well, life is tragic
.
In 2012, he was struck by apickup truck while cycling in
the florida keys, and reportssaid that he suffered serious
head trauma, but then hispublicist said it was merely

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bumps and bruises on his brainwow, and I mean at this point,
he's getting up there in age.
You don't want to be hit by atruck yeah and he fades into the
sunset after that, because hislast book was 2013 and people
aren't hearing from him thatoften.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
In 2020, closer magazine did a profile on his
whereabouts these days, gene,who turned 90 on january 30th,
leads a stress-free life insanta fe, new mexico, with betsy
, his wife, since 1991.
His health is good, he stillbicycles, does yard work and
he's a great handyman.
An insider exclusively tellscloser weekly quote after all

(50:08):
the drama of gene's career, heloves the peaceful life he
shares with the lovely Betsy.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Oh nice, I like that.
In an earlier interview with GQmagazine see that I know,
Gentleman quarterly Uh-huh helamented the fact that success
took him away from his family.
Quote I lost touch with my sonin terms of advice early on.
I was doing location films whenhe was at an age when he needed
support and guidance, so that'skind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
No wonder, like father, like son, oh boy.
Probably had some guilt.
Of course, he's much betterthan his father because he was
around.
Yeah, he was just working.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
According to insider reports, Hackman reconciled with
his kids in his later years andwhen asked about his legacy in
that same GQ interview, he saidhe'd like to be remembered as a
decent actor, as someone whotried to portray what was given
to him in an honest fashion.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Very humble.
He was beyond decent.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And I think we should hear one other snippet from
that Larry King interview.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
What do you fear?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Do you worry about your health?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
I try to take care of myself.
I don't have a lot of fears.
I have the normal fear ofpassing away.
I guess we all think about that, especially you get to be a
certain age.
I want to make sure that mywife and my family are taken
care of.
Other than that, I don't have alot of fear.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
A few other things.
Where were you on 9-11?

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Oh wait, wait, Hold on, hold on a second.
Is Larry making my point?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Were you driving 9-11 ?
Were you?

Speaker 5 (51:45):
driving in your car.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Larry, just what a non sequitur.
How do you want to beremembered?
Where were you on 9-11?
What the fuck?
What happened?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Oh, Larry Classic King, Now you chose to retire.
Right, that was your decision.
You're unemployed correct.
So why?

Speaker 5 (52:02):
were you pro 9-11?
Interesting though, he wastalking about his wife being
taken care of, as of course weknow now.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yes, yes, she got taken care of all right.
Whoa, whoa hey.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
Wow, wow.
Alejandro Sounds like it hasmob ties there.
We're getting there folks.
She was dealt with.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Alejandro says March 2024, the New York Post finds
the Hackmans.
Oh wait, it was the New YorkPost that found them.
Yeah, if you want to open thatarticle link there, kyle, these
are the paparazzi photos thatwere snapped at that time.
Wow.
And people were shocked, yes,at his gaunt appearance.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
The only time I saw him was brief paparazzi footage
and he was so yeah, he's tiny.
Well, yeah, he's 95.
I know he's 95, so that's good.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
He looks like Christian Bale's character from
the Machinist as a grandpa.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Yeah, but again he's old.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah.
So he and wife Betsy werespotted dining at Papa Doe's
Seafood Kitchen, and earlierthat day he was seen grabbing a
cup of coffee and apple pie froma Speedway store.
I love that.
Staying true to himself, he wasusing a cane and holding onto

(53:18):
Betsy's arm for support.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
He's damn near a hundred years old, yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
He earned it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
And I think that is where their story kind of ends.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
But this episode just begins, oh, thank God, all that
to say this.
Gene hackman's dead.
And it was so weird because weall woke up and then everyone's
looking on twitter and stuff.
This happened in the middle ofthe night.
I was actually, you know,putting together our last
episode with jerry springer andat like two in the morning it

(53:52):
started.
My phone beeps and it's likehey, gene Hackman was just found
dead and the police said thatit was not suspicious when they
first came up with it.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Well, carbon monoxide came in to the conversation
very quickly.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
Very quickly.
Yeah, because you have GeneHackman dead, they have his wife
dead and one of the dogs wasdead.
You just automatically assumesomebody messed up, there was a
leak somewhere right, that'swhat happened to weird al
yankovic's parents oh, that'sright together carbon monoxide.
So it does happen yeah, and thenwithin a day or two, there was

(54:26):
all these headlines that saypolice do u-turn on death theory
.
Right, because the gas companywent in there and the fire
department went in there andthey said there is zero carbon
monoxide leak anywhere on theproperty.
It's a mystery, yeah.
What they did find what it'scome out now is that his wife
was surrounded by pills, yes,and the dog possibly could have

(54:47):
gotten into those as well oh wow.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Well, I know pills and dogs and they don't like
them.
So I don't know, because it's abastard to get your dog to eat
any kind of pill.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
That's true too.
You've got to put it in treats.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
You've got to mix it in everything.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
That's a great point You've got to trick them.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
So would the dog just go lap up a bunch of pills?
These are my favorite.
Have I told I'm a total heroinaddict dog?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
It was that brand of begging pills, yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
It's not like bacon.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Wait, one other thing .
Wasn't the dog found in acloset?

Speaker 6 (55:21):
They said that there's no evidence of that
right now.
Oh, really.
Yes, All we know is that he wasin the house and the other two
were outside the house.
That survived.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
And the wife Betsy.
She was in the tub.
She wasn't in the tub.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
She was in the tub.
She wasn't in the tub, she wason the ground.
Okay, where?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
in the living room.
They were saying they were veryclose together okay, her and
gene, gene, okay, yeah, anddustin hoffman was lying on the
kitchen floor.

Speaker 6 (55:43):
He was like I'm ready for dinner, put it on my back
and, ironically, the other twowere the dusty ones.
Yes, they were rolling around,I got it.
They got dust bunnies on.
They're on the floor, yes, yeah.
So what we were told is veryeasy Put a bow on it, they're
gone.

(56:03):
Then it comes out Definitelynot monoxide poisoning.
And now it's labeled assuspicious.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And that's interesting the way you put it
where you happen to be up late.
Yes, getting it in real time.
Well, it was weird.
When I woke up, and it waspretty early, it was still like
7 am.
Yeah, it felt like it was oldnews, right.
Suddenly I saw a ton ofarticles like we now suspect
something else other than carbonmonoxide.
I'm like how long has thisstory been around?

Speaker 6 (56:30):
right, so it was february 28th.
No what, what was the actualdate?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
when they were found?
Yes, I believe.
So it must have been wednesday,right, I think it was wednesday
, the.
I mean it must have been latefebruary.
Friday was the 28th, thursdaywas?
I think it was wednesday the26th.
Yeah, when they were found,correct?

Speaker 6 (56:50):
yes, because, uh, what they had come out and said
is after everything was that, ohmy god.
We looked at his pacemaker dataand he had died nine days
before he had been found so thatmeans bugs are involved.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Well, they said ants.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
This is the quote that every news article uses.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Both bodies were mummified wow, and then they
found him dead, yes, and thenthey died.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Yeah, that's brutal.
Uh, it's also a very new yorkdeath.
Yeah, new york deaths are whenyou die and then a month later
someone knocks on your door andthen they find you yeah, because
you got stuff leaking throughyour ceiling like, hey, what's
that?

Speaker 6 (57:30):
oh, that's the person's body, great, liquefied.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
But this is and a very classic hollywood hills
death.
Yeah, because what was the nameof that actress that turned
into the carpet like she meltedinto the floor?

Speaker 6 (57:42):
I forget who it was, but I know what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
The pictures are still in my brain damn, you know
it's sad like, but it can likeold stars just yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Yeah, so the whole weirdness of it is they were
mummified, you would think, likethey're in New Mexico, it's
going to be hot there andthey're just going to be, you
know, just liquefied.
But they were completely intactand well preserved.
It's been like between 30 and50 degrees there, so I think
it's just cold enough to keepthem preserved a little bit and

(58:13):
kept together.
Well, I guess they have heat onin the house.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Well, maybe not that time and, interestingly enough,
larry King wanted to be frozenwhen he died.
No, joke so that they couldrevive him someday when the
technology's there.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Well, that'll be fantastic.
Bring me back when were you on9-11?
.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Yeah, well, that's it 3,025.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
We kind of forgot about 9-11.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
What's 9-11?

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, the whole world's frozen now you?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
chose to end Seinfeld right.
What's Seinfeld Larry?

Speaker 6 (58:46):
You're number one, larry.
Okay, so they say here datafrom Gene Hackman's pacemaker
shows he was likely dead fornine days before he and his wife
were found.
The pacemaker shows Hackman'slast event was recorded on
February 17th, per the Santa FeCounty Sheriff.
According to the pathologist Ithink that is a very good
assumption and that was the lastday of his life.

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The sheriff said.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
I don't know.
The pacemaker was also trackingyour every move.
I didn't realize that.
Yeah, they do do, and if youhave an event it gets sent to
your doctor.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
It's oh well, it's kind of good, kind of scary,
kind of good we're living in thefuture, I guess.
So they sent a message for thisthe pacemaker well, yeah, yeah,
there's data that goessomewhere.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
Whether or not anybody saw it, it sounds like
they didn't nine days later.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
And then, of course, his daughter was like I'm very
close with the family, but thenshe didn't talk to him for three
months before it's very weird.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Yeah, what's up with that?
It says hackman and his wife,along with their dog, were found
dead this week in circumstancesofficials deemed suspicious
enough to warrant a thoroughinvestigation, which is
completely different from thefirst day.
As authorities investigate theirdeaths, several items have been
taken from the couple's hometwo green cellular devices,
which is very specific soundinglike cricket phones, I guess

(01:00:00):
green phones, along with threemedicines and this is where it's
different too, because a lot ofpeople overdose on, like
barbiturates, and you knowthat's how they die.
When it comes to pills, it's athyroid medication and tylenol
and a high blood pressure orchest pain medication.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Well, as we learned on OK Bud this past week, you
can be allergic to ibuprofen andTylenol, I guess.
So Autoimmune disorder?
Yeah, but I don't think he was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I guess one of the bottles had a skull and
crossbones on it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
You don't want to take that one.
Why did you even give it to me?
Just a test?
No, just to see your willpower.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Also seized by the sheriff's office were records
from MyQuest, which is a medicaldiagnosis service.
So that's the pacemaker serviceyes.
The causes of death for Hackmanand Betsy are still still not
known.
The pair did not know anyexternal trauma or did not show
any external trauma, and therewas no immediate signs of foul
play.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
But just a foul smell yeah, I'm sure of that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
According to preliminary autopsies and
officials, uh, there were alsono immediate signs of a carbon
monoxide or natural gas leak,they said all right, I was
shocked when they came withthose results.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I would have put all my money onto that yeah,
here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
This is an update.
The couple's bodies were foundin separate rooms in their
secluded house, with scatteredpills found next to betsy.
Investigators have not yetdetermined whether hackman and
uh arakawa, her last name, diedat the same time.
So this is just so weird.
He's 95 years old, I mean she's63, which obviously you can die
at 63, but not immediately atthe same time right someone else

(01:01:37):
.
It's fairly young these days,young absolutely yeah, he's 32
years or senior, so it's just,it's very odd.
I did see someone on twitterwrite something that to me is
the most logical sounding theoryat this time that Gene died.
He's 95 years old.
You can drop dead at any timeat 95.

(01:01:58):
And she wanted to be with him,so she took a bunch of pills and
that's why she was near thepills when she was found.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
I think the dog did it and committed suicide.
Whoa.
Dog killed Gene Hackman.
The dog killed Betsy.
Then the dog took the pillsbecause he couldn't live with
himself.
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
Holy shit, that's not your Twitter idea.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Take your Twitter in, shove it right up your taint.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
And he told the other two dogs save yourselves, save
yourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
You don't want to be near me right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Get out of here while the getting's good Get out Guys
, I'm turning rabid.
Yeah, I'm wondering.
So in that theory she killsherself, why does she have to
take just one of the dogs withher?
Was that her favorite?

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Well, I think the dog was just trapped inside and
couldn't feed itself.
The other two were outside, sothey had access to food and
water.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
I suppose nine days of dehydration would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, that poor dog yeah.
I mean obviously All of them.
Well, everyone yeah, imaginesbeing the dog.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Like really confused every day I imagine being a dog
investigators are working topiece together a timeline by
analyzing a planner found at thehome and cell phone data,
including phone calls, textmessages, events and photos all
right, they're also going to beinterviewing the maintenance
workers, who are the people whocalled 9-1-1.
Listen to this because, yeah,when call.

(01:03:11):
Yeah, when they first came outwith the story they said the
door was wide open and in this911 call that is not the case.
They're saying they're lockedoutside and they can see the
bodies through the window.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Oh, okay, and I've heard 911 calls at murder scenes
and whatnot.
This is one of the freakiestsounding ones ever.
It's very odd.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
He's very spooked Summit Drive down at the
gatehouse.

(01:03:49):
I'll meet you over there.
I'll meet them over there.
I'm the caretaker for thesubdivision.
I'm going to bring them up here.
Are you with the patient now?
I'm sorry.
Are you with the patient now?
Yeah, I'm over at theirproperty there's this operator.
So I have to meet the ambulanceor the police.
Whoever down at the gatehouse,I'll bring them up here.

(01:04:11):
Okay, how old is the patient?
I have no idea, you don't know.
Okay, that's fine, is thepatient, a male or a female?
A female and a male probably, Idon't know.
I don't know, sir, just sendsomebody up here real quick.
Okay, are they awake?
I have no idea.
Are they breathing?

(01:04:31):
I have no idea.
Are they breathing?
I have no idea.
I'm not inside the house.
It's closed.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
It's locked.
It's closed.
It's locked.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
But I see that she's laying down on the window.
Okay, they appear to becompletely awake.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
No pal.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
How many times they appear to be awake or alert.
I wouldn't call you, becausethen they would be alive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not.
No, they're not.
Dustin hoffman, did you everhear?
Did you hear them?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
talk or cry?
No, no, he found them.
Are they moving?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
at all.
No, dude, they're not moving.
No dude seriously okay, myunits are underway, okay I don't
know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
I know it's a tough job in a 911 operator, but that
guy was so annoying yeah, evenother 911 operators have said
how bad of a job that guy did.
There's two bodies in there.
They're both dead.
Are they breathing?
Are they?
Is one combing their hair?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
are they crying?
It seems like his lunch wasbeing interrupted seriously.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Yeah, that's um, it's very odd.
I don't.
I can tell the police said thedoor was wide open.
That would be odd.
To just report, alejandro, wewere talking off air about this,
but he was saying the guy mighthave just been very scared to
go in.
It might have been open, but hewas too scared to go in and
didn't just admit that Could be.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Who knows, it was going through a lot and then he
has to deal with that guy.
If you're talking, aboutnefarious circumstances.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
It does make a difference if the door was wide
open.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Oh, absolutely.
That means someone left and wasfreaked out and had to get away
quickly, but there was no signsof theft or anything like that,
no, which I'm sure they wouldhave reported at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
But he was so spooked that he couldn't put any words
together.
He couldn't even say that itwas a man and a woman or who
they are, nine days decay.
He didn't even want to saypossibly dead or not moving.
He was being as vague aspossible.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Not that we got what he was saying eventually it's
very easy, but that operator wasconfused.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
So they're moving right, no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
So you're calling me because everything's just fine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You just wanted to chat.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
Were the corpses alive when you, if you try tying
strings to their arms andseeing if you can make them a
puppet.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Yeah, so I mean it's very odd.
Even his daughter, like yousaid, said that she hadn't
talked to him in months, whichalso sounds weird.
Like oh, I haven't even seen ortalked to him in three months,
guy's 95.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
like oh, I haven't even seen or talked to him in
three months, guy's 95, you'renot checking in once a week well
then there's a question of howmuch was his hollywood catalog
worth?
Did they want him dead?

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
oh he's also 95 years old, yeah it's all.
Yeah, no, it's tough to say weare going back to randy quaid
and his theory about thehollywood star whackers yeah,
randy quaid, a man who had sexwith a rupert murdoch man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
Of course you'll know him as cousin eddie.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Yes, shitter's full shitter is full some say randy
would be full of shit.
Uh, we don't know.
We don't know.
He claims to know about this.
You know cabal that goes aroundkilling actors and actresses
for money.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
I wonder why he would still be alive then.
Or maybe they just want him outhere as a psyop.
It could all be part of theplan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
But you don't know how many attempts there may have
been that he's made it.
He thinks when there's egg hecan't catch the guy and the
arrow hits the wall behind him,as always.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Let's see.
He was saying that Gene Hackmanand his wife are murder victims
.
Some scumbags did it and stagedit.
Stop talking about the filmshe's in.
Oh sorry, pal.
Uh, this is how they get awaywith murdering famous people.
Fake news starts generatingfilm clips.
How is it possible that I knowat least six people who have
died like this?
Caridin hackman ledger questionmark.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
I mean Carradine died choking himself out while he
jerked off Heath Ledger.
That was so unbelievably sad.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Well, you never know, randy Quaid, cousin Eddie, he
might be on to something.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
He's on something.
He's definitely on to something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
And he doesn't want to talk about the movies.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
No, because that's where the royalties come in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
It's a lot.
You know, Randy's got a lot onhis mind.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
I'm sure he was worth a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Do we want to do this clip of the sheriff's office?

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Let's hear what the cops have to say to counteract
Randy.
Yeah, exactly, they're going towork this case.
They're going to look at everyaspect and and figure out, try
to figure out the exact cause.
And I again, I think theautopsy is going to be key and
the toxicology.
But again, in my experience youknow that that could take a
while and we will keep youupdated on this story.

(01:09:04):
We can do, okay, bud updates.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Yeah, and obviously we're not going to be able to
solve this mystery today.
Uh, hackman is going to behonored at tomorrow's academy
awards.
So by the time you guys hearthis, uh, people on patreon are
listening already, but if you'renot on the patreon, you'll be
hearing this after the academyawards is going to be a powerful

(01:09:28):
presentation.
Yeah, dedicated to hackman ohman.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
But what if we find out?
Much like monday night, rawdedicated an entire show to
chris benoit oh, if we find outthat perhaps it was the other
way around.
Hold that 95 year old hackmanwent on a hacking rampage kills
the dog kills.
No, that's 100 speculation.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
However, we're allowed to speculate.
We're not journalists here itdoes come out.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
Well, there's no such thing as journalism anymore.
But if it does come out thatthat's the case, it'll be very
interesting yeah, not that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I think that is the case.
And dusty released a statement.
Quote gene was like brando andthat he brought something
unprecedented to our craft,something people didn't
immediately understand is genius, powerful, subtle, brilliant, a
giant among actors.
I miss him already.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Yes, yes, indeed he does.
We'll pull up some linoleum andlet's go have a nice sandwich
on dustin hoffman and thinkabout gene so let's get into
final thoughts so I think weshould just go over quickly the
possible theories.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I think maybe, if it's the game of Clue, we have
Betsy where she was distraughtafter he died With a candlestick
.
Dog died, hollywood StarWhackers.
Hollywood Star Whackers.
Ben mentioned maybe the dog.
No, oh, yes, the dog did it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
The dog did it for sure, or Gene did it.
The dog did it for sure, orGene did it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Or Gene did it Absolutely, which would be very
upsetting.

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
Yeah, then there'd be two mean genes out there in the
world.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
An allergic reaction to ibuprofen perhaps you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
And, dare I say, maybe the landscaper.
No, we leave the landscaperalone, leave the landscape for a
load, because the door was wideopen and he said it was shut.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
He was stressed.
I think the guy who woke the911 operator is closer than the.
He probably did it yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah, this is very fascinating, though.
Yes, 95.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
What a life, yeah.
Good long run, no matter whathappened.
95.
Damn near a century of life,yeah.
And a damn fine actor, damnfine actor, good guy rip do you
guys hear that what you've gotmail.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
We've got ourselves a mailbag to close everything out
here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Yes, so we got a nice message from jane doe.
Oh janee, With the passing ofMichelle Trachtenberg and Gene
Hackman.
I bet you guys are pretty busy,so I'll keep it short.
Great episode and guest Neverthought I would learn this much
about Jerry Springer, but herewe are.
You guys are my favoritepodcast, so keep up the great

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work.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Thank you so much, jane Doe.
And watch the Autopsy of youFantastic movie, the Autop much
Jane Doe.
Yes, and watch the Autopsy ofyou Fantastic movie, the Autopsy
of Jane Doe, great horror movie, really surprisingly good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And Kimber Danny wrote loved period, everything
period.
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
So sweet.
Yes, also, we have a four starfrom Brandy Red.
Ben Brought Me is titled.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Can we get the extra star?
Yeah, it was one more star.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
What's a?

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
fourth one Well, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
Came here for Ben and I really like it, but sometimes
it's a little biased and factsare left out or just wrong.
Still like, and I'm actually aPatreon member.
Yes, I've seen you on there,thank you, we love you, but also
we're allowed to be biased here.
We're not journalists.
We can speculate, we can dowhatever we want.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yeah, Well, again there is no such thing and facts
are left out.
I mean, yeah, did you heartoday's episode we?

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
didn't leave anything out.
We didn't get anything wrongeither.
The dog fucking did it Exactly.
Take my word for it.
I'm a podcaster and a comedian.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Yes, so we appreciate you.
Thank you for being on thePatreon.
If you haven't joined thePatreon, if you're listening
right now on one of our Spotifyor Apple, any of the podcast
platforms, you can join ourPatreon.
Ten bucks a month.
Hi, bud, we have two podcastsone Patreon OK bud and Death and
Entertainment.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
Five episodes a week?
Yes, watch them live andcontribute, as a matter of fact,
do we?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
have any comments.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
Yes, they're chit-chatting.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
They are.
Vanessa said the Benoit thingwas nuts.
I still remember the tributeand then the whoopsies later on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
That was halfway through the episode.
They found out and they werelike so we don't miss him
anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Pano man is saying great episode, great tribute
Alejandro.
Let's hope he didn't go theBenoit route.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Totally true.
Wow, so that's gaining steam.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
Kelsey said, learned a lot about Hackman tonight.
A legend to the end.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
Well, thank you all so much for watching, thank you
so much for listening.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
All right, everyone Hail yourselves and until next
week, don't go dying on us.
Talk to you soon.
Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
You have just heard.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
A true Hollywood murder mystery.
I have never seen anything likethis before.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
The movies, Broadway, music, television, all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
A place that manufactures nightmares.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Okay, everybody.
That's a wrap.
Good night.
Please drive home carefully andcome back again soon.