The Queen's Final Bow: Selena's Tragic Legacy (Episode 158)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
She was the queen of Tejano music, with a voice so
powerful it could shatter glass,if the glass wasn't already
crying at the sheer beauty of it.
Selena Quintanilla From sellingout arenas to selling out her
own fan club, selena's life hadit all Jealousy, betrayal and a
whole lot of awkward familydinners.
But it's not just the musicwe're talking about.
We're diving into the good, thebad and the oh-hell-no parts of

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Selena's rise to fame.
Who was the real villain?
Hint, this time, it wasn't themusic industry.
Get ready for a rollercoasterof fame, fashion and friendly
fire.
Selena's life it's iconic, it'sincredible and it might just
make you rethink your own bestfriend situation.
Tune in for the full story,because you'll never hear a

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legend quite like this again.
That's today on Death inEntertainment.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Live from Los Angeles 911,.
What is your emergency here inHollywood now?
Two counts of murder.
Injury and death.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Oh my God, shocking new details that has stunned the
entertainment world.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms,just like in the movies.
What do you call this thinganyway?

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Death In entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Greetings Ditto Universe.
Hi, what up?
What's going on?
Everybody?
My name's Kyle Plouffe.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm Ben Kissel.

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episode.
My goodness, one of the mosttragic tales in American history

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.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
The life and tragic murder of Selena.
Yeah, this is a tearjerker, butremember, we are a celebrity
death and true crime comedypodcast.
So, even though this is verysad, we're going to have some
fun and have some laughs alongthe way.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Mostly making fun of Yolanda, yeah that piece of
garbage.
My God.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
But if it's not your thing, you can turn that dial.
Yes, except don't turn the dial.
Don't do it Because you don'twant to miss this.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Go listen to OK Bud.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, and then come back, you'll be back, and with

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that, let's all right.
Selena quintanilla great job,nailed it beautiful.
She's known worldwide as selenawas born on april 16, 1971 in
Freeport, texas.
It just seems too close Likeshe was not much older than us.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
No, and she has a birthday very similar to mine.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
And I don't know math very well, but I do know I was
born in 1981 and I'm 43.
So she would only be 53 yearsold.
Yes, still young.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yep.
So Freeport, texas, it's on theeast-southeast border, it's
southeast Texas, it's right onthe Gulf, Yep.
Yep, the family lived a littlebit more inland.
After she was born they went toLake Jackson, texas, and Lake
Jackson is located greaterHouston metropolitan area.
Okay, and in the 70s there wasonly 13,000 people, today

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there's 28,000.
So is that because of Selenalived there?
Perhaps we don't know?
Maybe, but still a relativelysmall town yeah very In 1942,
Lake Jackson was actually firstdeveloped as a they call it a
planned community, because acompany was coming to town and
they were building around thecompany.
That company would end up beingthe Dow Chemical Company.

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Oh God, Great that companywould end up being the Dow
Chemical Company.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Oh God, great, that's just fantastic.
So what do you do for a living?
You know what I do for a living?
The same thing you do.
That's why we're neighbors inthe same house.
That looks the exact same,exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And so he pretty much popped up all these different
towns and his kids popped upthese different towns across the
country, being like we're goingto be the future with plastics
and safe chemicals.
Sadly, you're correct, yeah,but what they really did was
they did do that stuff, but theyalso had contracts with the
government making mustard gas,napalm, agent Orange and not

(04:17):
government related, but alsobreast implants, and all of
those ventures killed people.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Well, some better than others.
I would much rather die bybeing smothered by breast
implant.
That's true Than mustard.
What am I?

Speaker 5 (04:30):
a hot dog, hey those company towns are always so
eerie.
We have one in Wisconsin Kohler.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
There's Kohler and then there's a town called
Germantown.
Have you been to Germantown?
Yes, it is straight.
Everything has the same facade,even the McDonald's and Subway.
You can't even have uniquebusinesses such as fast food
chains.
Wow, it's real weird.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, and it's just weird to have a place where
everybody works at this.
It's an ecosystem.
It is when everything revolvesaround the moneymaker.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
And it's very Stepford Wives.
Yes, and if you make fun ofKohler, you are gonna die, yeah,
from 1957 to 1970,.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Her father was actually a musician and he
played in a band called LosDinos.
Oh, spanish for the boys.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And they played Tejano music.
And Tejano music it soundedfamiliar to me, just like the
term, but I didn't really knowwhat it was.
It's exclusivelyAmerican-Mexican, so, like it,
really it prides itself on beingAmerican as well.
It was born in Texas, althoughit has influences from Mexico
and other Latin Americancountries.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Like Tex-Mex food.
It's the nacho fries.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'll tap my toe to that.
Eventually lose it because ofdiabetes, but I'll tap my toe to
that.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So he taught his children to sing and play
instruments and really wantedSelena to sing in Spanish.
She wanted to sing in Englishbecause she grew up in America,
but he was like you will speakSpanish.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
What a mind, fuck for her.
And then she goes outside.
They're like speak English.
And then inside goes outsidethey're like speak English, and
then inside she's like you'llspeak Spanish.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh my, God, and was it because he wanted her to find
her roots?
Or was it because it was moremarketable to sing in Spanish?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think he wanted you to think it was option one, but
it was option two.
Okay, by the late 60s, his band, the Los Dinos.
Their popularity was fading andtheir record sales were
declining.
Abraham, which is her father'sname.
He had a wife and two childrento support, so he decided to
prioritize their financialwell-being and he took a job
where?
At the Dow Chemical Plant.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Of course.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Putting his music career on hold to focus on
providing for his family andslowly killing the planet?
Yeah, probably himself.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Mm-hmm.
When he had enough of that, hewas like I want to start my own
business.
So he saved up some money andopened up Papagayos Papagayos,
which is parrots in English Papa.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Parrots.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Papa Parrots.
What are they doing thereTalking?
There was a Tex-Mexx.
There was a tex-mex restaurantowned and operated by selena's
father and they fought andscraped to stay open.
During the 1970s which, if youcould remember, before we were
born, uh, so we might notremember there was an energy
crisis, and that affects texas alot I remember it, I was

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stressed out.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
They're an oil town, so people weren't enjoying the
guacamole, I mean, even in anenergy crisis.
You want a nice quesadilla?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, was that coinciding with the gas crisis?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, so in 1973, there was an oil embargo and
Arab members of OPEC, which isthe Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries.
They retaliated against the USbecause the US decided to
resupply the Israeli militaryduring the Yom Kippur War and
they imposed the oil embargo.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, all that's done now.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Don't worry about it.
Yeah, don't even think aboutthat.
The embargo and subsequentproduction cuts led to a
dramatic increase in oil prices,quadrupling the price of a
barrel from $2.90 to $11.65.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Oh, are you trying to say this restaurant was oily.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
It was a lot of deep fried goodness and that raised
the prices.
Yes, oh man.
Oh, it's crazy.
That's an unforeseenconsequence of this embargo.
Yes, gonna fuck with theTostitos.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So they made it through the 70s and then, right
as the 80s were starting, therewas an oil glut.
So they went from having adeficit to a complete glut,
which you think is like to alayman.
You're like oh my god, we havetoo much oil.
There's the we're, we're in thegold baby sounds great, we're
drowning in it yeah, I think heneeds to rename his band glut of
oil.
Yeah, oil glut it's a greatthing only if you're the owner

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of an oil company, because thenyou can just go great, I don't
need labor for a while.
You're fired, you're fired,you're fired, you're fired.
So everyone in the town thatisn't working at the chemical
plant gets fired, and evenpeople from the chemical plant
which relies on petroleum thatcomes from oil.
Everybody's done.
They have to file forbankruptcy.
Papagayo's is gone.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Just the doors open.
A bunch of people with threearms, 12 toes, four eyeballs
walk out.
Help me Looking like they justgot run over by a car in RoboCop
.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So this place Papagayo's was actually.
It was great for them becauseduring those years her father
wanted them to entertain thediners that were there, so they
were always playing music foreveryone, and so after
Papagayo's got shut down, theywent down the drain.
The family declared bankruptcyand they were evicted from their

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home.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Oh my God, it gets worse and worse.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, that's sad, but they did not want their hard
work to be in vain.
Selena and her parents and hersiblings dusted themselves off,
remembered who the hell theywere and moved to corpus christi
.
They squeezed the oil out oftheir shirts corpus christi yes,
they went to corpus christi,texas, where Selena would then

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front the family band now beingbranded as Selena y Los Dinos.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Wow, the Dinos are back in town.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
They return.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
So it's Selena and the boys.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It's Selena, her brother Abraham III and her
sister.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I'm thinking of Michael Jackson at this point.
A lot of pressure on hershoulders at a young age, yeah,
it's the Quintanilla 3.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Oh, Not the Jackson 5 .
You mean Los Tres Quintanilla?
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And they would make an actual push, which is funny
because she begged her dad, likeI said, not to sing in English.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
I thought he just meant not to sing.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, she didn't want to sing actually at the
beginning, but he was reallypushing her to because he's like
all I hear is dollar signs.
Right, he knew she had anamazing talent.
So when they got to CorpusChristi they played in dance
halls and nightclubs whereTejano music thrives, and almost
immediately they went pro.
In 1981, the same year they gotto Corpus Christi, texas-based

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Freddie Records signed Selena yLos Dinos to a recording
contract.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Speaking of oil, Freddie Records.
Hey, I'm Freddie Records.
You can smell the cigar smoke.
You shake his hand.
You got to go wipe it off witha towel.
He might be a good guy, butFreddie Records, Freddie Records
.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
You got talent.
Kid Real big talent.
Freddie Records let's see kidReal big talent.
Freddie Reckitts let's see thattalent.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Where dreams turn to nightmares.
Exactly, selena and Elos Dinosbegan to perform more frequently
in Texas in clubs and fairs, astheir name began to spread
around the state.
So instead of just being inCorpus Christi, they're starting
to go all over Texas.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Spreading like oil.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I'm going to keep going with this oil metaphor.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Once you get something, you don't let it go.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, that's why we love you In 1984, freddie
released the band's firstfull-length album entitled what
would you think?
Selena y los Dinos, okay, whenthe album was completed.
The president and owner ofFreddie Records, who, I'm
guessing the name, is Freddie.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
He better be Freddie.
Hey name's Chad.
How are?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
you.
I'm Chad owner of FreddieRecords.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Why'd you call it Freddie Records?
Sounds scuzzy, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
I once knew someone named Fred, yeah, and that was
it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
He told Selena's dad that the band was not ready to
professionally record andrelease a full-length album.
I thought you were going to saythat Selena's got something,
but those Dinos, I don't know.
Abraham was pissed.
He dropped the record deal withFreddie Records and told them
to go shove it where the sundon't shine.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Okay, can you do that after you make a deal?
Not really.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
What is this?
The 80s yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Remember that contract we signed.
Well, I say it's void.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Now it's over now you gotta remember there's a glut
of oil here, yeah, so everyone'skind of out of their minds.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, while still under the record deal, because
technically he can't just say,he can't just wish it away Right
?
Selena's father came uponanother small local texas record
company called cara records andthey were based in san antonio
sounds nicer, it does cara, therumored album the new girl in
town, was never sold in stores,but singles from cara records

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were leaked to different albumstores so the new girl in town
was a record that selenarecorded.
Yes, and it was like a rumor,like oh my god, you hear about
the new selena record, it hasn'tcome out.
So the actual record companystarted selling tapes of single
songs at a time.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
So inadvertently they created like a whisper campaign
.
Yes, that's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, singles from Kyle Records were sold
separately and promotionallyaround the state of Texas.
So, like you said, they'retrying to get like this little
campaign going, being like oh myGod, did you hear this next
song?
Because you want to be like thecool kid with the cool tape.
Exactly, and that's what a lotof kids were with this.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
And that's kind of like how Elvis started at Sun
Records they spread the word gotpeople talking.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, I toured Sun Records Very small.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Oh really.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Very, very tiny.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, so it was unlike Elvis.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
And it had balls.
Yeah, like Elvis and his balls.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, big old nuts we were seeing that on OK Bud this
week His balls were freakinghuge, huge, yeah, really big,
and they're stacked one on topof the other.
Yeah, bizarre Sideways.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Never thought of that .

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yeah, I didn't think of it either until I saw it.
Then I can't stop thinking ofit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
On this album is the song Encontre El Amor, and it
was sold as a promotional singlein 1983.
Let's listen to it.
See if it sounds familiar toanybody.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Oh, quick change.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
You nailed it.
That's awesome, super freakindeed.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
She's 11 years old and her dad's like.
My favorite song is Super Freak.
You sing it now, wow Brilliant,which the song sounds great,
but it's about people being likefreaks in bed.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Right, she's 11 years old.
Being like, I'm the kind ofgirl you don't bring home to
mama, yeah, really, unlessyou're serving like mac and
cheese, yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
So Rick James gave birth to Selena and MC Hammer.
Wow.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
What a fact, yeah.
So in 1987, that spread likewildfire and got her name out
there.
She was starting to blow up.
In 1987, gp productions, whichdiscovered selena elos dinos
performing.
They signed the group to ayearly record contract and they
were in the studio right afterthe agreement.
That same year, selena elosdinos recorded their second

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full-length album, alpha, whichis the first album to be
released without legal actionsor threats.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Alpha, there we go.
Yeah, alpha, referring to whatAlpha male?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, just Alpha Number one, You're number one,
but this is what she looked like.
Keep in mind she's 16 years old.
They're trying to make her looklike a 40-year-old woman.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
She looks like she's about to read my horoscope on a
1-800 number.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
1-900 number yeah, she's got that dion warwick.
Look and wow, yeah, why didthey a 40 year old haircut?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
yeah, and that was on purpose I mean I'm guessing
because they had full her dadhad full control over, like, her
appearance and everything Iactually think that's such a
brush, a breath of fresh air,because we're so reversed now.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, they want everyone to look 10 years old.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Now, right yeah, you never see them making people
look older.
No, yeah, I think, though, thatmight be following the whitney
houston playbook when she wasvery conservatively dressed at
first, with the short haircut.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, I believe Whitney started in the church
she did.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yes, that's true too.
Yeah, she was actually raisedreligious.
They were.
I forgot to mention they wereJehovah Witnesses.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Oh, selena was, yeah oh.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
The most annoying of all religions.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
But you know, sometimes when you're lonely and
you hear a knock on the door,Come and knock on my door.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Even if I was lonely, I'd still be like get the fuck
out of here.
I've had some talks with them.
What?
Yeah, I've talked to them oh mygod, 10 minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
They're funny guys.
They're just out there.
It's like when a girl scoutcomes with trying to sell you
cookies.
Well, that would be welcomethey're just working.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
When I was growing up , they would come every weekend
actually.
Oh, oh, my God, these twoladies and I used to think they
were friends with my mom.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Right.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
I'm like, how come you never invite them in?
She's like, oh, don't worryabout them.
And then that's the Watchtower,right.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I believe that's what the Watchtower magazine?
Oh, okay, I think so.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
So we'd always get copies of that piece of that.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I'm like shit.
I'm like this magazine sucks.
Yeah, because I liked mad rightand I was like where's the
story about all the shootings?

Speaker 1 (17:50):
yeah, this was watchtower magazine in 1987
there was another song muñequitode trapo which is called
ragdoll oh.
It was released in an increaseliving in a movie?
Probably not that one no, uh,the increase in sales began to
spread the news about the band,which was promoted and showcased
at that year's Tejano MusicAwards, which is a huge event.

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Selena won Best Female Vocalistof the Year Wow, 16 years old.
Which she then won nineconsecutive times.
Whoa Crazy.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
If you think about it , though, she was the queen of
Tejano music.
What other names are there atthat time?
Right she's the breakout star.
How could you give it toanybody else?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
yeah, the band was well received and they won
awards separately from Selena.
In 1987, her father, who wasproud of the band's winnings and
awards, released the album withthem and the winner is.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh, he's going in, not you, your daughter, by the
way but OK, well, he put ittogether.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, what confidence too.
Yeah, and the winner is us.
It's like the 85 Chicago Bearswith that song.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Super Bowl shuffle.
Yeah, the Super Bowl shuffle.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, they shot that before the playoffs even started
if they would have lost.
Oh my god, I didn't know theymade that before.
Yeah, holy shit, jim mcmahonwas all coked out.
He's like I'll do it and thewinner is.
I mean, this was made null byalan carr later because he got
rid of in.
The winner is and the oscar goestoo that's right, so it was
immediately obsolete so selena'sdad, I think, was poisoning

(19:26):
alan carr for taking that awayfrom him, and after this he made
selena sing more tahano andmexican songs, which followed
their roots, in order to gainmore recognition in the tahano
world, because that's whoimmediately recognized them as
opposed to what rick james yeah,no, but really she was doing
mainly covers or something uh,she was doing both, but okay,

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but that's what caught fire.
Was that rick super free?

Speaker 5 (19:51):
oh the rick, james cut yeah all right.
But then he saw a path into thetejano music yes, in 1988,
selena y los dinos releasedpreciosa, which is precious oh,
I knew that one.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
A nickname that was given to Selena as a child,
which sold over 20,000 copies inTexas alone.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
And that's back then.
Yeah, think of the.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Dallas Yep.
Before streaming and everythingelse.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And it's crazy too, because she was an international
star but no record sales orsingle sales were ever
documented outside the UnitedStates.
So it's like like that's aninsane thing, but that happened
a lot that documentary searchingfor sugarman that could have
saved his life.
He was living in despair in theunited states, not knowing that
he had gained complete fame inanother country, oh, and would

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have been the most famous personin that country and made
millions of dollars, and he wasworking like fucking horrible
jobs, like sweeping up afterconstruction sites and stuff,
like until right before he died.
Wow.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Crazy, but the Quintanillas seem to know that
they're popular elsewhere.
Yeah, or do they think it'sjust Texas?
Yeah, no, they knew, so that'sa little bit different.
Texas yeah, no, they knew, sothat's a little bit different.
They probably aware that.
Not, they don't even likethey're aware.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
The numbers must be high, even though they don't
know them yeah around the worldyeah, so there was this guy jose
behar, not joy behar.
Oh, no relation joy.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's most ironic name of all time despair behar?
I don't know you believe donaldtrump?
I don't even want to.
This show is about escapism.
Whoop, are you hearing me?
We're talking about the funlight story of Selena being
murdered.
Okay, let's stick with it.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
So Jose Behar.
He was the head of EMI LatinRecords.
Emi huge yeah they were asubdivision of capital records
as well.
Uh, together with the new headof sony music latin, they
watched selena perform at that1989 to hano music awards.
Behar was searching for newlatin acts and he wanted to sign
selena to emi's label, capitalrecords, while sony music latin

(22:01):
offered selena twice em Isigning fee oh, bidding war.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yes, this is what you want, yes.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
But then you got to think do I go for the money or
do I go for the freedom?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
money I don't know how much freedom you get at
capital records.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah that's why you should just take the money,
because you're not going to befree anyway yeah, record
contracts are just brutal.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
I mean, I think they should be illegal.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Yeah, remember what they did to Prince.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yes, he had to change his name to a symbol, to an
emoji, before emojis evenexisted.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Fellow Jehovah's Witness, by the way, no.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, you didn't know that.
No, he was very committed.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
If he knocked on my door, I would open it.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
That would be so awesome, are you Prince?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
If you want to talk about God, yeah, that's the
thing.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
I was trying to do a voice, but I think he had a deep
voice he had a very deep voice.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
I was trying to make him an impression.
I was going to go like oh.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
But that's not Prince Blouses.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So Behar thought that he had discovered the next
Gloria Estefan, but his superior, the guy that was head of Sony
Music Latin, said you areillogical, because you'd only
been in South Texas less than aweek before he found her.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
You're illogical According to my statistics.
What are?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
you doing Moneyball here.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
What are you?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
talking about?
Can she sing, is she beautiful,is she talented?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It is crazy that you know being there for less than a
week and he found Selena.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, yeah, that guy was probably just jealous, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
So Selena's dad chose EMI Latin's offer because he
wanted his children to be thefirst musicians to sign to that
label.
Awesome, since it was brand new.
At this same time, selenaearned a high school diploma
from the American CorrespondentSchool, which is famous for
getting diplomas for touringartists, and she was also
accepted at LSU Louisiana StateUniversity, oh man.

(23:51):
And she actually enrolled atPacific Western University,
taking up businessadministration as her major
subject.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
I had a chance to go to Baton Rouge for LSU.
We went to go watch it, me andmy friend Jazzy.
We watched their homecominggame versus Army, and that
campus is different than the oneI went to.
Holy hell, that is a blast, ohmy.
It's huge and there's so muchmoney and the stadium and
100,000 people jammed into it.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah they take it seriously over there, don't they
Very?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
serious and the cookouts and the food, it was
fantastic.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah.
So she signs this major recorddeal and then it's just like,
yeah, I'm thinking about goingto college, I'm going to go to
either LSU or Pacific Western.
But she did enroll at PacificWestern and anyone would be like
what the hell are you doing?
Yeah, but keep in mind she'scoming from a non-formerly
educated family.
She watched her father loseeverything.
Education is key.
The this businessadministration plan was twofold.

(24:48):
Plan was twofold.
She wanted to make sure thatshe had the skills to fall back
on in case music didn't work out, but also in case they did, she
wanted to be able to manage herown career I mean, she's very
smart she's unbelievably maturefor her age and mature.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
That's what I was looking for, because at that age
I for sure would have said fuckcollege absolutely.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I used to complain.
My parents forced me to go tocollege.
Oh my God.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Same, try getting sympathy.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
My parents made me go to college.
Oh yeah, mine molested me, ohokay, Well, I had to get a
formal education.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
I was like Dad, can I just run off to New York for a
year?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
That's all I wanted to do and they looked at me and
they said, ben, you're half, youknow, not capable as a human
being.
So why don't you just stay inWisconsin a little bit, bake a
little longer in Wisconsin, Getseasoned, get four seasons, all
right.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Jose Behar recalled seeingSelena perform and the whole
place just went insane.
In wrestling they call it a pop.
When the crowd reacts, justwith immense pleasure to you
being on Also.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Like Elvis, she is a star.
Yeah, remember when the girlswere having orgasms, when Elvis
first appeared on the stage.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I do, yes, I do, and then that Sugarman character had
to go mop up.
Sad.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Very sad Not realizing he's an international
superstar secretly so crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So soon after her performance, like we said, behar
signed her.
Uh, people in the business werequoted as saying the people
want selena, not the dinos see,I knew it, of course.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I'm just waiting for when they cut.
You know, like those those umexpeditions on adverse or
something, when they have to cutthe cord I'm just waiting for
that moment.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Ace ventura too, when he has to let the raccoon go.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
But yes, it's, it's beyonce, it's destiny's child.
There's a star here.
Yeah, you know, they don't wantall the other, they don't want
to have to take care ofeverybody else right it was
probably like okay, no hardfeelings, but Dinos adios yes.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
That would be hilarious.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
I mean they had to know.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Right?
Well, I don't think they did.
I think they all were likewe're working our way up.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
They're here for us, the Dinos.
They're looking past Selena.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Hey they're, all you know, recording the same songs
together.
Yeah, but like four old dudesand a beautiful young girl who
can sing, amazingly, that wasall the siblings.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
It was all three of them.
So it was like a family, littleaffair, and they're like you
two siblings.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Get back your shit, oh that'll probably lead to a
couple of feuds.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
This isn't the fucking Brady Bunch.
Take a hike Right.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
That would be hilarious if there was a meeting
, though, and they're just likeyou know, in the music business,
they're the Ace Venturas andthey're the raccoons and you
ain't the Ace Venturas.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
We're letting you go.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So she began releasing her own albums with
her new logo, which is like thatnice Selena, one name.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Right, the one name thing yeah, so was that from the
beginning like that?
Yes, because that's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's Selena.
It wasn't her dad's idea.
It was this EMI like the newrecord company idea.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Because they compared her to Madonna a lot.
She was the Tejano.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
She dressed like her too.
The.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Tejano Madonna.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Tejano Madonna.
Oh wow, Hakuna Matata.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
What a wonderful word , what a wonderful bra.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, wow, wonderful what a wonderful bra, oh wow.
In the same year, coca-colawanted selena to become one of
their spokespeople that's huge,absolutely.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, the dad's probably freaking out like he's.
Finally, the money bag isproducing.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yes the jingle used in her first two commercials for
the company were composed byher brother and chris perez, the
latter of whom joined selenaelos dinos uh, very recently,
right before they all got axed,oh so he was the first
non-family member yes, he was afriend that um.
The brother met on the roadwhile they were touring as a

(29:06):
family and did they always wantto keep it in the family?

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Is that why, maybe?
Well, I don't want to jumpahead, but Maybe what.
That maybe he might become afamily member someday.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh, maybe Because he was having romantic feelings for
Selena.
Okay, despite having agirlfriend in San Antonio.
Ooh, romantic feelings betweenbandmates.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Nothing bad can happen.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
It won't tear things apart, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
After a trip down to Mexico with the band, Perez
thought it would be best forthem both to distance themselves
, but he found it impossible andchose to try to build a
relationship with Selena.
They expressed their feelingsfor each other at a pizza hut.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
So romantic.
But that is romantic yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
And I don't want to hear anyone oh, I hate you.
First the crust was gettingstuffed.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Then Selena, then Selena and then oh the oohs.
But people criticize people forfalling in love at fast food
restaurants or pizza huts.
That's where love.
This is America, damn it.
Come on now.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Your eyes are so beautiful.
Can you pass the mozzarellasticks please?

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Oh, did we get the deep dish?
Oh, nice, yeah, but that iswhen pizza hut, they had the red
cups.
There was a buffet.
You had a waiter waitress.
I forgot about that.
Huts were restaurants andpeople were smoking in there.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, I had the stained glass above you every
table it was classy we got to goto pizza hut.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
That yeah, and of course, the book it orders.
You could collect your freepizza for reading.
Ooh what?
Yeah, I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I was a Papagino's boy.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
We're not.
You just killed the vibe Right.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, we'll just move on.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Happy to do it Papagino's boy.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Perez, I prefer Papagayo's.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Hey Perez and Selena hid their relationship Like I
hid my ability to read for fearof getting beat up.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
They're not going to beat you up because you're not a
nerd.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Weren't you pretty tall at 16?
.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
No, I was 5'1 until senior year of high school.
What yeah?
And then at one year I,freaking, bounced up, wow.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah, it was crazy.
Okay, I wonder if you're gonnabounce down at any point.
Nope, we all will.
Kyle's like peter dinklage.
Hello, I regressed.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
They cut me out of the snow white movie yeah, so
they they, you know wanted to becommitted to each other, but
they were like let's not tellanybody about this because our
my dad's a psycho I get it.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah, and just that would cause drama in the band
and the business, yeah, exactlyso selena released her second
studio album ven conmigo inseptember of 1990.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So she's getting bigger and bigger.
At the same time, there's aregistered nurse and a fan by
the name of yolanda saldivar ohno, we're already meeting
yolanda who approached sel,selena's dad, to start a fan
club in San Antonio, because youknow her credentials are that
she's a registered nurse and apsychopath.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Right yeah, so they didn't think it was a little odd
that this 30-something woman isobsessed with Selena?
And wants to get close to her.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Fans can be very, very scary yeah very, very scary
.
Yeah, and what?
Because they all think theywant to part.
They all want a part of you.
They think that they own partsof you.
So, yeah, you're.
You.
You're not autonomous to them,and I'm sure that's what yolanda
was thinking.
Oh god, what a psycho.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
she had her own intentions, but her father was
just so like let let's keepbuilding, let's make money as
much as we can.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
And those were the days when the fan clubs were
important.
Everyone had them, like theBeastie Boys.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's how you got the word out.
It was a community.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Because there's no online forum at that time.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Just Yolanda.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, so she had the idea for the fan club after she
attended one of Selena'sconcerts.
Her father approved her requestand believed the fan club would
bring more exposure to the band.
Yolanda soon became a closefriend to Selena and the family
and she was trusted and becameacting president of the fan club
in 1991.
Ugh jeez.
From fan to president.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah to predator.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah to predator.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
And this is where everyonethinks they know what's best for
Selena, because success startsbringing out different
intentions in people and thenpeople want to manipulate the
situation for their own benefit.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Some person's just like Selena ska is really taking
off.
Have you thought about maybedoing like a, maybe like a tuba
record?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Selena's sister, suzette, claimed to have caught
Selena and Chris Perez flirtingwith each other and immediately
ran to the father and told him.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Oh, suzette, come on, daddy, leave him alone.
So what is flirting?
They're sipping a drink withtwo straws.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, they're like eating a piece of pizza together
.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Yeah, she was jealous .
Yeah, what a tattletale.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
It's a 1990s romance there was still love then.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yep.
So Selena's dad ripped him offthe bus and told him his
relationship with his daughterwas over.
Oh, selena and Perez continuedtheir relationship despite her
father's disapproval.
Oh my God, selena and Perezcontinued their relationship
despite her father's disapproval.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yes, everybody knows.
If your child is dating someoneyou don't like, pretend you
love them.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
And then they will break up with them.
Just be like yeah, Todd, what aguy.
I actually just hung out withTodd the other night.
Yeah, Like Dad, he's not cool.
If you like him, I think it'sfantastic the way he drives all
drunk and stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
He's fantastic the way he drives, all drunk and
stuff.
Yeah, it's not.
As you know, it's unrequitedlove when the parents want you
to break up, and you can't losethat feeling.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Right, it becomes stronger.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think there's some people who are still in
relationships.
Just because I disapproveSelena's mother, marcella we
haven't talked about her muchbut it's also because she was
very supportive of Selena andwas like whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Oh, that's nice, she's a very loving mom.
And she's not the momager itsounds like.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
No the dad.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
We have a dadager.
Yeah, Yep the mimp.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Exactly so.
What's worse, the momager orthe mimp?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Well, I think, momager, could.
Actually, if you stick with thebusiness, just music.
But then all of a sudden you'relike so what about a sex tape,
maybe being leaked or something?
Then you become a mimp.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So Selena and Perez actually got caught being
romantically together.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Kissing or a little bit more, we do not know.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Try to separate them.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It was on the tour bus and after he informed them
of his disapproval, he pulledover.
Oh, he was driving so he wasdriving the bus.
He looks in the mirror.
Wait, his daughter is likegetting fisted.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Okay now, from a father's perspective, I mildly
understand, looking in the rearview.
You're tired.
All of a sudden, yourdaughter's getting banged out in
the back.
Hey, come on, guys.
Jeez, we'll stop at a way.
Stop, you guys can go to thebathroom.
We'll stop at a Pizza Hut, forChrist's sake.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Lord.
Then Chris lifts his hands.
He's like I was just reachingfor these Cheetos.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
So he pulled the bus over and an argument between
them ensued.
He called Perez a cancer in myfamily and threatened to disband
the group if they continuedtheir relationship.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Yolanda's the cancer so he was going to ruin his
daughter's career just becausehe didn't want her to be with
this guy.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, it's not even ruining her career To him.
He's replaceable.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Oh like, break the band up and just bring in new
members.
Yeah, but not to Selena, He's'sreplaceable.
Oh like break the band up andjust bring in new members.
Yeah, but not to Selena.
He's not replaceable.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
That's true, come on.
So he fired Perez from the bandand prevented Selena from
leaving with him, so he made himget another ride home.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Man, it's like the guess on Jerry Springer, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
After his firing Perez and Selena secretly
continued that relationship.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Yeah, I would assume so.
After his firing Perez andSelena secretly continued that
relationship.
Yeah, I would assume so.
Don't tell daddy.
Oh God, don't say it like that.
Selena, this phone sex thingthat we're having is like fun,
but can you just say don't telldaddy.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Can you not say that part?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
You know what's worse than that is saying call me
daddy, oh God, unless you get$100 million a year.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Call me whatever the fuck you want.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
On the morning of April 2nd 1992, selena and Perez
decided to elope.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
That's how I want to do it.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Let's hit the bricks and get married, huh.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
I love that idea.
I want to do an elope becauseweddings are horrifying, yeah.
I don't understand who wouldwant to go through that having a
big wedding I want to go to theBahamas and all of a sudden
come back with a wife.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah.
It could happen.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
It could happen, sure yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Or you know Thailand, you never know, you never know.
Or the Philippines.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
You never you know what.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I don't trust people who really go every week, every
year I go to have a week inThailand.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Just to get the stress out.
Yeah, okay, there was thailand.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Just to get the stress out yeah, okay, the local
place that would tell me thatand I was like yeah, buddy, I
think you're, uh, probably noton the up and up.
Yeah, stay away from my childplease.
Selena thought her father wouldhave to accept them if she, you
know, committed this act yeah,they're married yeah sure you
can't get around that yeah, uh,she thought she had more time to
be able to go and tell him.
Be like like, hey, I got a ring, but the media picked up on it
before they even returned home.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Those vultures, scumbags.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
It's all over Watchtower magazine being handed
out en masse.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Oh, my God, selena and Mr.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Perez, yep.
So Selena's family isdesperately trying to find her
while she's out getting married,and she has no idea that the
media is running with the storyalready.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Poor girl.
Yeah, that must have beentraumatic Totally.
Or happy, you know.
On the one hand, it's like youknow what we are married.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So what?
I think the point, though, wasthey wanted to keep it private
and then, all of a sudden,everyone knows.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
How private can you really keep it?
For how long?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Well, if you're eloping, it's possible to keep
it very private, but somebodyleaked it Right, probably
someone that worked at the placethey got married at, or
something.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
Well, I mean from the family mainly.
Oh yeah, that's got to spillout, especially with that
loudmouth sister.
Right, that's true, yeah, daddy, god damn it.
But that's brilliant, becausethen the dad can't say like hey,
I want you to spend less timewith your husband, yeah, that's

(39:25):
true.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I mean they're bona fide.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, they did it the right way so her father did not
take the news well and healienated himself Like just went
into hiding Until they cameback.
What?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
is his deal.
Was he like into his daughterin a weird way?
I don't want to spread thoserumors.
You would think that he wouldbe happy for his daughter,
because this guy doesn't seemlike he's a horrible person.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
It's starting to sound like Twin Peaks, not to
give any spoilers away.
It was wrapped in plastic.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's starting to sound like Twin Peaks.
Not to give any spoilers away.
Yeah, it was wrapped in plastic.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Yeah, his penis.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
That's what I was going to say that's actually
very good.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
They're safe.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Plastic from the Dow.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Chemical Company.
Selena and Chris Perez movedinto an apartment in Corpus
Christi.
In interviews, her dadexpressed how he feared Perez
could be a machista, which isSpanish for male chauvinist, and
he thought that Chris would endup forcing Selena to end her
career in musicals.
Ultimately, he thought he wasgoing to lose his money train.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Oh, I see, so you had me, then you lost me, because
at first glance that's kind ofnice, yeah, but he doesn't want
a son that, or a son-in-law thathas toxic masculinity.
But you're saying that was afront.
Really it's about he doesn'twant to lose his money ticket I

(40:47):
don't think.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I don't think it has to be mutually exclusive.
I think it could be column a,column b, but he ultimately
wanted to have the most controlover his daughter's decisions,
that's really what it was.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
They bonded over music, so I don't think they
would stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, exactly that's true too.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
I mean, she was young , to be fair.
Yeah, what is she like 21around this time In?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
1992?
Yeah, 21.
But again mature, yeah, maturefor her age.
It became clear over time thatPerez was not going anywhere, so
her father later apologized.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
What gave it away the marriage certificate maybe?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
But that doesn't normally, I mean.
For a lot of people thatdoesn't mean anything.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
It's like one of those birthmarks that you're
just like, fine, you start toaccept it, and then you make it
into a little tattoo and iteventually turns into cancer.
Yeah, you incorporate it intolike a garfield tattoo or
something and you're like it's apart of me now.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, so he apologized, he accepted the
marriage and took perez backinto the band, oh, and then
immediately moved in next doorto them oh my god, I always am
on his side for like half asecond.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
And you finish the sentence.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Usually you hear about like mother-in-laws.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Oh, this is beyond.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
She was so stressed out all the time that she was
living next to her dad and justwanted it to not.
She wanted to move away, butshe also felt like she didn't
want to betray her family.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Right.
Yeah because, then, your dad'shearing everything If you're up
there I'm like what were youkids up to all night?

Speaker 4 (42:13):
fucking.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
They're in a different house, right yeah, but
you can still see what's goingon I don't know what kind of sex
you have no, I'm not eventalking about sex, having a
party, you know, like anythingyou're doing yeah, yeah, they're
doing like big gang bangs andstuff.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah, when a bus pulls out outside the house and
you're like hey, what's going onover there?

Speaker 5 (42:33):
something like that.
Okay, well, I mean well.
In real life this actuallyhappened.
One of my cousins was havingfun with friends and singing
karaoke still at like 5 am yeahand my uncle doesn't.
At the time didn't live thatfar from the house, so he heard
the whole thing and went to tellhim like hey, you gotta quiet

(42:53):
down now.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Well, maybe they had to quiet it down.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
But that's what I'm saying.
The dad lives so close he canwear that.
So as long as your dad is close, he's gonna know, what's going
on always.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
The house is shaking, like the beginning of Dick
Tracy.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Aside from music.
In 1994, selena began designingand manufacturing a line of
clothing.
She opened two boutiques calledSelena Etc.
Oh wow, one in Corpus Christiand the other in San Antonio.
Both were equipped within-house beauty salons.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Wow, so she's an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Wait, but what's the deal with San Antonio?
You made a sound.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
That's where Yolanda resides.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Oh, I got PTSD from that place.
Don't even get me going.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
By the end of 1994, selena et cetera had held two
fashion shows to showcase theirclothing line.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
So Yolanda is the, et cetera.
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
She might start thinking she's the Selena
Exactly.
Oh no God.
She might start thinking she'sthe Selena Exactly.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Oh, no, no.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So Selena y los Dinos held a concert after the second
fashion show on December 3rd1994 at the Hemisphere Arena in
San Antonio Wow.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
So she is doing a lot artistically.
Yeah, and she was such abrilliant person.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
She was in active negotiations to open more stores
in monterey, mexico and puertorico.
Oh nice.
The quintanilla family were soimpressed with the way that
yolanda yolanda managed the fanclub that they had her oversee
business operations day to dayfor selena's boutiques don't do
it.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
it I mean, I love my registered nurses, but this is
not in the skill set.
This is not the skill set.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Hey, you're pretty good at taking my pulse.
Can you manage my fortune?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
What do you think about inventory?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, it was reported that Selena earned over $5
million from these boutiques.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Good for her Shut up, yep, so she's truly an
entrepreneur.
These boutiques Good for her.
Shut up, yep, so she's truly anentrepreneur, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
That's 1994 money, so it's probably $8 million by
today's standards maybe $10.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah, and she's thinking of the long game here.
Yeah, she's not only going tobe a hugely successful music
artist but she's going to havethis whole empire.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yes, and I'm thinking now again, she would be 53.
You know, you think about, likeBethany Frankel, you think
about these people who becomenamed.
She would have had so manybrands.
Selena would have beeneverywhere to this day.
Oh yeah, I mean it wouldprobably be a billion-dollar
industry.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I have no doubt.
Look at Jessica Simpson.
If she can do it, anybody can.
Sure she thought tuna waschicken you know what I'm saying
?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
That was fake.
That was fake.
They told her to say that inthe reality show.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
And then she cried about it.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Oh, she did.
Okay, I'm sorry, jessica, Ihave no idea.
Another Texas gal, by the way.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's true.
Selena was ranked amongst thetop 20 wealthiest hispanic
musicians who grossed thehighest income in 1993 and 1994,
so young, yeah, absolutely alot of pressure.
It's incredible.
So, uh, selena was about torelease her fourth studio album.
I believe we have an interviewhere about this time in her life

(46:05):
where everything is blowing up.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Yeah, so 1994 she also won the Grammy for Best
Mexican-American Album.
She sure did.
That makes it official whenyou're a Grammy winner.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Absolutely Hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
It's huge If you're trying to conquer the music
world.
Mm-hmm Big year.
Selena Chihuahua el.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Grammy.
Una cosa yo creo.
It was like a dream come true,¿verdad, exactly?
Tell us about it.
When they first told us that wewere nominated, we all freaked
out.
We couldn't believe it, and thefirst thing I promised, the
first thing that came to mind,was like I have to take a camera
so I can take a picture withall these stars.
And it didn't hit me lateruntil, like, oh my God, you know
what if we win?
You know, and we went out thereand they didn't let me take my

(46:46):
camera in.
That's one of the things Ididn't get to take any pictures
afterwards, but we were sittingthere when they announced.
I had this huge knot in mystomach.
I was so nervous.
And then they announced thewinner.
I mean we all.
Well, congratulations, guys.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Great.
When's the big party?
I know you're going to come toSan Antonio and do a big bash.
I don't know you already had it.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
No, we haven't working and it's a good problem
to have, though yeah, um, we'rejust so happy.
What's?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
happening so many good things have been happening
after we won the music awardsright, and it's been great.
She's so charismatic, yeah, anddown to earth, yeah.
Yeah, she's in her early 20s,22 years old at this point
that's great.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
It blows my mind just the poise and, as you mentioned
earlier, the maturity, yeahyeah, her fourth studio album
was called amor prohibido whatis that called?

Speaker 4 (47:33):
what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (47:34):
forbidden love, whoa I wonder what that was based on.
Interesting, the dad's like.
Are you making fun of me?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
yes, the album debuted at number three on the
us billboard top latin albumschart, number one on the us
billboard regional mexicanmexican albums chart and after
peaking at number one on the toplatin albums, the album
remained in the top five for therest of the year and into early
1995, which has only beenrivaled by candle in the wind

(48:05):
elton john after princess didied yeah, that was on the top,
like it was like number one foralmost a year and that was
propelled by, let's be honest, amajor tragedy.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah, this is just.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
This is just music.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Popularity, popularity, yeah, now don't give
me, don't mistake me, I likeElton John, right?
Yeah, of course, but Candle inthe Wind, that was based off of
Marilyn Monroe first, it was.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
He just kind of did a redo.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Wow, you didn't know that.
I think we talked about it onthe episode that we did Good by
Norma Jean the whole thing, andhe just crossed off Norma Jean
and wrote Diana.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Oh my God, I forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
I just think it's a little copy and paste.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Wow, it's literally, it's a double dip, he double
dipped.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
He double dipped, no double dipping.
I wonder when he's going towhip it out again.
Someone great has to die.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, if it's not, then they're going to be like
really Right.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
He can't just waste it on Gene Hackman, even though
he's a great actor right.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Maybe if Stone Cold Steve Austin dies, he can do it
for him.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Goodbye Hackman Gene, goodbye Hackman Gene.
So yeah, Amor Prohibido becamethe second Tejano album to reach
year-end sales of 500,000copies.
Making copies.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yes, indeed, we're in the early 90s.
It's an appropriate reference.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
It's a different Rob Schneider back then.
Oh yeah, Way different.
I don't know People are weird.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Uh, let's see it was certified 36 times platinum damn
how the hell does that happen?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
36 times, isn't there ?
What's the next?
Is there another level?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
yeah, I think diamond is like the biggest.
You can go right well why isn'tit?

Speaker 5 (49:47):
diamond, can I just't know.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Can I just?

Speaker 5 (49:49):
have one platinum.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Oh 36.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
After like the 28th, you're like, oh, it's platinum
for the 29th time.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
But I don't okay.
Like by the 35th are you justover it?
Like, oh, another platinum tierhuh, great, anything else.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Is there anything next?
This album also popularizedTejano music among a younger
generation.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I mean, it came all the way to Wisconsin.
Wow, yep, no, we knew whoSelena was and I learned Big
time.
You are famous.
If you make it to small townWisconsin, you are world famous.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yes, the album's commercial success led to a
Grammy nomination for BestMexican American Album at the
37th Grammy Awards.
It won Record of the Year atthe 95 Tejano Music Awards,
which she always cleans up, andRegional Mexican Album of the
Year at the 95 to hano musicawards, which she always cleans
up, and regional mexican albumof the year at the 1995 lo
nuestro awards I do feel bad forthe tohano musicians.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
It's like she's the michael jordan of the era and
they're like if she wasn'taround.
That's for you to know, yolanda.
Yeah, maybe we'd win every nowand again.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Yeah, that reminds me of that In Living Color sketch.
It was called the Black PeopleAwards and Whoopi Goldberg was
nominated in every categoryHilarious.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
At this time, she was not only one of Latin music's
most successful touring acts,but one of music's successful
touring acts.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, she transcended .
Yes.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Selena was then considered bigger than Tejano
itself and broke barriers in theLatin music world.
She was called, as Alejandrosaid earlier, the queen of
Tejano music, and Billboardmagazine ranked Amor Prohibido
among the most essential Latinrecordings of the past 50 years
no, that's amazing and includedit on its list of the top 100
albums of all time.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Apparently they're never on on the 4, 5, or 6 train
in New York where you can hearthe best Tejano music.
Yeah, for real, every singletrip.
I love that Some people didn'tlike the music at the subways,
but I enjoyed the music on thesubways.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
You hear what's really out there.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Right.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
And it's interesting that she skipped levels Like she
was never princess.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
In late 1994, EMI chairman Charles Koppelman,
which he decided Selena hadachieved her goals in the
Spanish-speaking market.
A guy named Koppelman, youshould start speaking English
now.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Enough with that Latin jazzy stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I mean it's a little cobble pot yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
The penguin.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Koppelman.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
He wanted to promote her as an English language solo
pop artist.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Forget that brown shit, we're moving on.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Time to make the real money.
I want to hear music.
I can understand, have youthought about learning Spanish.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
No, I'm an ignorant asshole.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
And she did not Speak Spanish Naturally in the home.
I think my understanding is shewasn't.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
My understanding is she wasn't particularly fluent
in Spanish, but she could singin Spanish very well.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
But also in the interviews with her answers like
she sounds very fluent.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yes, I believe that she sung phonetically.
That's how she was able to dothat.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, her dad really broke it down for her and made
her sing it.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Which is even more amazing.
Yeah, because I think she wassinging in her second language,
right?

Speaker 5 (53:05):
And that's what.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
She became a superstar.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Yeah, and then you even heard it in that interview.
They were both speaking likeSpanglish Right, so she'd be
like Estoy muy excited.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, which, yeah, which Hilaria Baldwin
tries to do.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Oh my lord, don't even do it, don't bring it up,
hilaria, please.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
My wife is from Spain , selena.
She continued touring while EMIbegan prepping the crossover
album, going from Spanish toEnglish Wow, and they were
recruiting a bunch of GrammyAward winning composers During
that time.
She hadn't even crossed overyet, at that time that they were
making steps, they wereplanning ways to get her to do
the English album, to make her asolo pop artist.

(53:51):
She performed to a recordbreaking sold out concert at the
Houston Astrodome in February1995.
She hadn't even got the Englishalbum out yet.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
That's amazing, it's incredible.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Weren't there over 50,000 people there.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I think even more.
Wow, yeah, because theAstrodome, it's huge.
It holds like 100,000 people.
It's huge.
Yeah, I got to see the outsideof it when I went to go see the
Patriots play in Houston.
It's an impressive building.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Pretty exciting story , Kyle.
What other buildings have youseen the outside of?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
But that's where WrestleMania 17?

Speaker 5 (54:24):
was okay so.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I was happy to be there.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
If Kyle hasn't performed there, he's at least
seen the outside of it.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I've seen it.
I was like, hey, that's thething.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I love the Kyle Plouffe travel show.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And then we saw the outside of the Empire stapled in
.
Yeah, that was pretty good,that was pretty cool.
Yeah, so I've seen the.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
I thought about going up, but I was too scared.
Yeah, have I told you guys thestory about how I was in the
kipsey airport?

Speaker 4 (54:49):
no, do tell, that's it oh wow, I didn't know they
had one.
I like that story actually.
That was kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Tell it again, yeah in 1995 she also made a cameo
appearance in Don Juan DeMarcooh, which starred Marlon Brando,
Johnny Depp and Faye Dunaway.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Yeah.
So this is interesting.
The song have you Ever ReallyLoved a Woman by Bryan Adams
comes from that movie.
Really, yeah, it was made forthat movie.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
And he also didn't he make that other song for Robin
Hood, Prince of Thieves.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Yes, Anything I Do.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I Do it for you.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Yeah, do it for you, but this song is a masterpiece
in my opinion.
Yeah, have you Ever ReallyLoved a Woman?
And it's a motif throughout theentire movie, and it's sung in
Spanish as well.
Okay, and Selena appears inthis movie and it was her only
movie role, unfortunately butshe has a couple of scenes, one

(55:44):
with Johnny Depp and the otherperforming in front of Marlon
Brando like as a mariachiperformer.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I'm sort of thinking of Village of the Damned, or
Queen of the Damned, aaliyah'sfilm.
Yeah.
That was the only film that shewas in.
Wow again, it's crazy.
Both of them would have beenmovie stars, yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Everything else.
But how exciting is that?
One minute you're rising in thepop music world and then you're
working with Marlon Brando,right?
I mean, granted, it was 1990s,marlon.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Brando, I love Fat Brando, don't even get me
started.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
The movie is bizarre.
I recommend it because it'sfascinating, like half of it
works.
Half of it is like thisromantic movie with Johnny Depp
as this Don Juan character.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
And the other half is just Marlon Brando in his
office going like what's withthis guy?
Every woman's falling in lovewith him.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Sounds like Mike.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Tyson now.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
That's all he's got to do.
That's why he's the best.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Marlon Brando is Mike Tyson.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
So go see it.
But more than that, listen tothe soundtrack.
Yes, and Selena has four songson it Beautiful awesome the
movie did well.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It was a budget of $25 million.
It made $70 million at the boxoffice.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Nice yeah that's a hit.
Almost tripled up, absolutely.
Johnny depp was unstoppablethen.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean this was the time of edwood the movie is amazing you
know who else was unstoppable atthis time?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
who?
Yolanda saldovar?
Oh, we're having a good time atthe height of her fame.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
We were talking about fat, marlon brando.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
And then he has to go and kill the mood again.
Now we're on chubby Yolanda.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Now we're on fat Yolanda.
Oh God, Selena signed Yolandabecause she trusted her so much
as her entertainment agent.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Now she's an agent.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
She would be in charge of all entertainment
deals and appearances.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Oh my God, this is the only mistake Selena made.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, this was because her dad was a drinker
and really got to trust Yolandaso she could take care of the
business while giving him sometime off to do some other things
.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yolanda's great.
Every time I'm drunk I seethree of her and she injects me
with something and it makes mego to sleep.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
And it's so weird how they keep moving her up Like
what next she going to be CEO ofDow?
Yeah, who knows?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Who knows?
Yeah, she's releasing mustardgas into their house.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
She probably caused less damage there than what
really happened For real.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
After the agreement, salivar moved from San Antonio
to Corpus Christi to be closerto Selena.
So then you have Selena and herhusband living in one apartment
, the father living across thestreet now, and then Yolanda
showing up to the neighborhood,and then Yolanda oh no, fucking
Yolanda.
In December 1994, the boutiquesbegan to suffer after the

(58:30):
number of staff for both storeshad significantly, significantly
decreased.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Yeah, they probably couldn't deal with Yolanda, yeah
.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, so what is going on Like?
Is it something on theadministrative side that's going
wrong?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
yeah, okay, so it's not like people are losing
interest in the brand well, theykind of are, because, according
to staff members, saldivaroften fired employees she
disliked.
Employees at the storesregularly complained about
saldivar's behavior.
They went straight to Selenaand Selena dismissed the claims,
believing she would never riskthe business based on erratic

(59:05):
decisions Damn.
According to Selena's father,the staff later turned their
attention to him and beganinforming him about Saldivar's
behavior.
Shockingly, he did actuallytake the claim seriously,
because he's like nobody'smessing with my money.
Yeah right.
So he went to Selena in privateand told her to be careful and

(59:27):
said that Saldivar might not bea good influence or fit for them
as a family and business.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Get her out of here.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, wow.
But his word had already beensoured to her.
Right, keep in mind.
He's tried to force her to doeverything she didn't want to do
Sing in Spanish, got rid of herboyfriend, had to move next
door to keep tabs on her.
She was an adult and didn'tneed to listen to him anymore.
Right by January 1995, selena'sfashion designer, martin Gomez,
her cousin Deborah Ramirez andclients had expressed their

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concerns over Yolanda's behaviorand management skills.
During an interview withSaldivar in 1995, reporters from
the Dallas Morning News saidher devotion to Selena bordered
on obsession.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Ugh scary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
It is really a horror movie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
You can't have someone working for you.
That is an obsessed fan.
You should not hire Kathy Batesfor your secretary.
Well, she does get me the paper.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
She makes me stay on track, oh man, because she
hobbles me get the pages out, ohyolanda so according to
selena's dad, in january 1995 hebegan receiving telephone calls
from fans who said they hadpaid for memberships in the
Selena fan club and had receivednothing in return for it.
So he's like, let me look intothis.

(01:00:47):
Absolutely.
He discovered that Yolanda hadembezzled more than $30,000 in
forged checks from both the fanclub and the boutiques.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
I've heard that that number could be as high as
$90,000.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
That's just checks.
Keep in mind.
This cat, the heyday of cashright right yeah.
So she probably got way morethan that.
Her father had held a meetingwith selena and suzette, the
sister, to confront yolanda.
Her father presented everyonewith inconsistencies about the
disappeared funds.
He told yolanda that if she didnot provide evidence that
disproved his accusations, hewould involve the police.

(01:01:20):
He then banned Saldivar fromhaving any contact with Selena.
However, selena did not want todissolve their friendship.
You gotta do it.
She valued Yolanda way too much.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
You know what this reminds me of as well.
It's kind of like the MonicaLewinsky Linda Tripp friendship,
where there's an older womanwho's very controlling.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
I'm a mentor, I'm one of the good ones.
Yeah, I'm here for you, god.
Yeah, speaking of my flower, bythe way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I'm recording.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
I'm recording.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Talk right here, please.
She thought that Yolanda wasessential to the success of the
clothing line in Mexico.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Do you want to hear that scene recreated by
Hollywood?
I would love to.
Yes, okay, so we have a scenefrom the hit movie Selena oh,
fantastic, starring J-Lo, j-lo.
Yes, jenny from the block.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
I mean not really Everyone that was on the block
is like I never saw Jenny.
Yeah, never heard of her.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Jenny who.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yolanda, how could you do this to me?

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
I never took anything from you, Selena I trusted you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I trusted you with everything I have.
Never.
How could you do this to myfans?
You know what they mean to me.
Please give me a chance toprove it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Please, oh, the crocodile tears Master
manipulator, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
By the way, yolanda was played by the great actress
Lupe Anteveros in the movie.
She was also in as Good as itGets, she's the one that Jack
Nicholson says sell someplaceelse.
We're all stocked up here.
And then kyle, she's in anotherone of our favorites.
She plays consuelo instorytelling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Oh my god, we always reference consuelo, you gotta
see storytelling, oh, absolutely, and the specific story with
Consuelo, she's great yes.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Anytime I'm like sweating, doing work for
somebody I think of Consuelo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
It's very sad and disturbing, okay, anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Where were we?
She's got range.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Yes, she's got range, and so does Yolanda.
Yes, well, sadly enough.
Well, so does Yolanda, sadlyenough.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Well, she's about to go to the gun range.
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Selena wanted to keep her close, also because a piece
of her did distrust her at thispoint.
I would hope so.
She knew that Yolanda had allthe bank records, statements and
financials necessary for taxpreparation, so she's worried
about taxes instead of her life.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
So taxes can kill you .
They can and they do.
Death and taxes, it's the samething I'm realizing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
It sure is.
This is the second time youbrought up taxes, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Well, I brought it up , Not today, though I think
we've done another episode.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Yes, I love thinking about taxes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
Speaking of, isn't it tax season?
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Let's cut to an ad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Oh we don't have any, okay, great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yolanda sat on her hands and delayed providing the
bank statements and financialrecords by saying she had been
physically and sexuallyassaulted in Mexico.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
So this is her leverage?

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Yes, I'm not trying to be mean here, but have you
seen pictures of Yolanda?

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
I mean Well anyone can be, I know, I know.
But I will say in this case,yolanda knows she gives that
away.
There's no connectionwhatsoever with the business.
Yeah, then Selena can justslowly say goodbye, right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
I know I am of course making making a bad joke, but
it's just because she's such ahorrible person.
Yeah absolutely I can't imagineanyone wanting to get near her
in any way.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Oh, you can feel it.
She's just nasty.
And who would lie for?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
money.
No one, nobody nah certainlynot in hollywood no, definitely
not.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
This is honest.
Still can't believe.
When I was driving over here, Iwas like I can't wait to see
all the nice people I'm going tomeet.
What an idiot.
I'm still from Wisconsin.
15 years in Brooklyn I'm stilllike, oh, there'll be some nice
people in Los.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Angeles.
They smile while they stab youin the back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Exactly, so you can't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yep Yolanda, along with Selena, appeared at a
medical clinic on March 31st1995 to have Yolanda examined
for an assault which she claimedto have happened to her in
Monterey while she was takingcare of the boutique.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
So she took it seriously.
They did the right steps.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
And yeah, during that visit Saldivar was given a
brief physical exam.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
But this did not include the gynecological exam
specifically done in cases ofsexual assault Based on her
saying she didn't want it done.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
no, the nurse suggested that salivar needed to
have the rape exam done in sanantonio for three reasons she
was a resident of that town, theclinic they were currently at
was in corpus christi and theassault occurred in mexico.
So, yeah, she took her to acorpus christi clinic.
Okay, they were like this isall over the place, we don't
want to do it here, okay.
Afterwards, selena met withYolanda at her motel room at a

(01:06:25):
Days Inn in Corpus Christi.
At the motel, selena demandedthe financial papers.
At 11.48 am, saldivar got a gunfrom her purse and pointed it at
Selena.
As Selena attempted to flee,saldivar shot her once on the
right lower shoulder, severingher artery and causing severe
loss of blood.
Critically wounded, selena rantowards the lobby, leaving a

(01:06:47):
392-foot trail of blood that islonger than a football field.
Wow, she had to run so far, ohmy God.
She collapsed on the floor ofthe lobby as the clerk called
emergency services, withSaldivar still chasing after her
, calling her a bitch.
Before collapsing, selena namedSaldivar as her assailant and
gave the number of the room shewas shot room 158.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
So those are her last words.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yolanda 158.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Oh my gosh, that's so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Meanwhile, saldivar knew she was in deep shit so she
attempted to flee in her pickuptruck.
She was spotted by a respondingpolice cruiser.
She actually locked herself inher fucking pickup truck and
pointed the gun at her head fornine and a half hours.
So there was a standoff.
Nine and a half hours there wasa huge standoff with police and
the FBI and by the end of itthere were almost a thousand

(01:07:38):
fans there that were at the FBIand by the end of it there were
almost a thousand fans therethat were at the scene Watching
the standoff.
Yes God, so this is a crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah, this is a news clip from that day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
It took Corpus Christi police more than nine
hours, but they finally arrestedthe woman suspected of shooting
and killing Grammyaward-winning star Selena.
Corpus Christi Police ChiefHenry Garrett identified the
suspect as 32-year-old YolandaSaldivar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
You could hear the people cheering when she was
getting arrested.
Did you hear that in thebackground?
Yes, killing Grammyaward-winning star Selena.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Corpus Christi Police Chief Henry Garrett identified
the suspect as 32-year-oldYolanda Saldivar.
Saldivar helped policenegotiators at bay, crying and
wringing her hands while sittingin a red pickup truck and
holding a gun to her head, untilshe gave up about 9.30 Friday
night.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
The OJ playbook.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
The shooting of 23-year-old Selena Quintanilla
Perez was reported shortlybefore noon at the Days Inn
Motel in northwest CorpusChristi.
How you doing Houston, texas?
Can you imagine the Days InnMotel?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
in Northwest Corpus Christi.
How you doing Houston, texas?
Can you imagine the Days Inn?
It's usually mundane.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
At an afternoon news conference Friday, the singer's
father, Abraham Quintanilla,said Sal Navarro was a
disgruntled employee of Selena'swho was about to be fired from
her job at a boutique.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
She worked for Selena .

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
You see how he distanced himself.
She worked for Selena.
Motherfucker, you're the onethat found her.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Well, all right.
Well, now you're just yellingat your father, okay no, I think
you don't like the dad no, he'slike, well, that was selena's
person.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
It's like no, that was your fucking person yeah,
but he didn't know she was noone being a psycho yolanda's the
one to blame here yeah but, mygod he let her so 32, I thought
she was older I did too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Yeah, she looked a lot older.
Yeah, that's, being a nurse istough.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
I mean yeah uh yeah, selena, being a psychotic killer
is tough oh, that is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
We have to think about that.
It's stressful.
Yeah, no one thinks about thekiller uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Selena was taken to the corpus Christi Memorial
Hospital at noon.
Her pupils were dilated andfixed and there was no evidence
of neurological function.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
She had no vital signs and was declared
clinically brain dead.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Now, was that just because she bled out?
Yeah, I'm asking because shewas shot in the shoulder.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
It sucks that she Hit the artery, I know, but that's
just the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
It sucks that she Hit the artery, I know, but that's
just the worst.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
It sucks that it was such bad luck that it burst the
artery Right yeah.
Because, otherwise you couldsurvive a shoulder shot,
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
But because of who she was.
They knew she was alreadycompletely gone, but the people
who worked at the hospitalwanted to work on her as hard as
they possibly could oh God,possibly could.
So if it was anybody else, theywould have not.
They would have just been liketime of death right, but they
were massaging her heart andtrying to get her back, and it
was, uh, futile efforts.
Yeah, yeah, um, she had 50minutes of surgery and she was

(01:10:30):
pronounced dead from blood lossand cardiac arrest at 105 pm.
Uh, the internal examinationrevealed that she had not
ingested any type of drug, norwas she pregnant, which was a
popular rumor at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Oh weird, yeah, so why would yeah, why would that
even matter?
Even if she was the baby didn'tstop the bullet right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, that baby had a chance to be a hero yeah,
catches it in its hand yes, sojust like that, I mean just
giving this lady one step at atime, year by year, allowing her
to grip, get her grip on the uh, the entire operation was just
such a bad idea.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
And a grip on that gun yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Sometimes you just got to cut out these people.
It's just, you never thinksomeone would actually do
something like that, right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
No, I know how could you Desperate people do
desperate shit.
Yeah, how could you Desperate?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
people do desperate shit.
Yeah, well it's.
I mean again Yolanda, not todate the episode because it's
evergreen, but she is up forparole soon and this has to be
remembered, and I don't thinkthat she deserves to ever see
the light of day as a freeperson again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
This is truly psychotic.
I don't think you get, youdon't get fixed from this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
No, no, no way.
She blamed Selena for her owndeath Still.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Yeah, yeah, this is Yolanda explaining what happened
in the hotel room.
How did she end up shootingSelena?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Okay, Did she say she wanted to fire you?
Never, never.
She never told me that I wastelling her to leave and I said
it's over, selena, it's over.
I can't work for you, no more.
I can't work for you, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
She said she was quitting she went down.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
She grabbed my feet and told me not to leave her.
Oh, my God, and I picked it upand I told her just leave.
And I grabbed the gun, put itin my head, I pulled the thing
back and I said if you don'tleave, I'm going to do it,
talena.
And she got up and she says Mom, we need to talk about this.

(01:12:29):
We need to talk about this, I'mgoing to close the door.
And when she was walking to thedoor, she was going at an angle
and I told her don't close thedoor and in that instant the gun
went off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
What I love, alec Baldwin's defense.
What is this?
The rust set that is so heinous.
Yeah, what a psycho.
Disgusting human being, selenawas begging her not to leave
what's more likely.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Yeah, and we know that she wasn't suicidal,
because she's lying abouteverything, right, but let's say
she was.
It's that classic thing of thesuicidal person instead of
killing themselves, they killsomebody else.
Well, because suicide is ahomicidal act.
Yeah, but it's just soinfuriating when they end up
living and then another personends up dying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah, it's just so tragic when these losers take
the life of someone who wasgiving so much to the world and
to people and yeah it's justhorrible yeah, and then I mean
it's hard to call howard stern aloser, but this is I can,
i'll'll call Howard Stern aloser, right fucking now.
This is very not nice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Howard Stern is trash .
He is garbage.
It is done, it is over.
From anal ring toss, that washis peak.
Whatever he's doing now is thesingle worst form of radio I
have ever heard, anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I mean I have so many mixed feelings about
Howard because, on the one hand,I think he's a genius and
there's no equal in radio andeven entertainment I don't think
Whoa but he has a lot of badmoments through the years.
And this is probably one of hisworst moments that I cannot

(01:14:17):
stand behind.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
And this was the day of her funeral by the way, oh my
God, when he went on the air.
Woke Howard Stern.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, not so woke here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Let's go to Selena, please.
This is the Latin, the Tex-MexMadonna.
Oh my God, this music doesabsolutely nothing to me.
I have no feel.
It's almost like you could nothave it on or have it on, and my
mood wouldn't change.

(01:14:46):
Alvin and the Chipmunks havemore soul.
Spanish people have the worsttaste of music they really do.
They don't like depth.
No, they don't like any depth.
It's all like, you know we havenothing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Our government is corrupt, see yes 20,000 mourners
yesterday passed by her coffinin the city convention center.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah, they are having her funeral today, Ah she's a
beauty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
They're going to have a mass.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
We will never hear this kind of music again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Three of us ate her fingers.
We were so hungry from the badcountry we live in.
Today is Corpus.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Christi a funeral mass.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
America's moral authority, Howard Stern,
everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Get your fucking vaccinations.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Good God.
And so the National hispanicmedia coalition called for
stations to pull them off theair.
They filed complaints with thefcc.
Yeah, I'm not for censorship.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
I don't think he needed to be pulled off the air,
but he definitely needed tohave someone speak with him.
Yeah, I'd be like you're afucking asshole, because he was
always a shut-in.
He never.
That's why he gets all of hisnews and information from
television and trash on theinternet.
That's why he has no humanconnection well, this incident
I'm sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
No, go ahead spanish music it's like all the soul.
Of course, of course howardcertainly doesn't have any
authority on what good music isit's just not like poison.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
I don't even feel there's sugar being poured um.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
There's no like cherry or anything involved yeah
, but um, this incident didspook him because there was such
an uproar over it and tons ofpeople protesting, so he went on
the air and issued an apologyin spanish.
Well that's, but he made it abig joke right because he
thought it was funny to speak inSpanish.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Saying that he hates Yolanda, and he didn't mean to
offend, okay, you know.
So, like I said, you take thegood with the bad.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Yeah, this and the Dana Plato incident, 500 million
bucks for five years, which iswhy no one at Sirius Radio gets
paid, which is why the entirething is shutting down.
But anyway, go on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Yeah Well, radio gets paid, which is why the entire
thing is shutting down.
But anyway, go on.
Yeah well, her success isnever-ending.
She is still with us musicallytoday.
Uh, you know, as big as ever,people are still listening to
her music yeah um still labeledthe queen of tahano yeah and
selena.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
The movie was successful and I guess in 2021
it was selected for preservationin the national film registry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Not bad yeah, she's got a museum and statue in
corpus christi, um, so they'restill keeping her name alive.
Well, that's good.
Well, on the other hand, inseven days from this recording,
it's going to be march 30th, Ibelieve, or 31st that.
Uh, yolanda up for parole and Idon't think she's going to be
getting out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
I really, really hope not Screw her.
Yeah, absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
And Selena lives on forever.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
That'll take us to Final thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Ooh, scary one.
I mean I don't know.
It's scary because, again, fansthink they own you, they think
they own a piece of you.
And it's tough as anentertainer.
You have to keep a distance,but you also you know it is a
relationship to some degree, andyou never expect someone to do
what she did.
So Selena was a victim of herown good nature and her own

(01:18:18):
trusting of people, and Yolandais one of the worst type of
human beings that exists.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
And it's very sad.
Yeah, human scum.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
Be careful who you trust.
Be careful who you let in.
It's just hard, you just don'tknow, but when someone is
showing signs that they'repsychotic, such as if they're
obsessive or if they're caughtin a bunch of lies, things
aren't making sense.
Yeah, just get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
It's never good to keep liars around.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
It's hard because I used to overlook so many red
flags.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
It's tough because you don't want to believe that a
person could act that way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
But at the same time, you have to protect yourself,
right?
So actually I'm pretty quickwith red flags now yourself,
right?
So actually I'm pretty quickwith red flags now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
I mean seriously, yeah, I don't put up with a
whole lot of bullshit anymore.
No, no, when you realize themonsters in the house, you gotta
escort them out.
Yep, yeah, I agree.
And uh, do you guys hear that?
You've got mail hey, we gotourselves a mail bag.
Can you believe?
Believe it, I love it.
Comments that have just come up.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Do we have some reactions to the Snow White
episode?
We do.
Since the episode dropped, theDisney movie has indeed flopped.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Oh my God, what was it?
43 million and it cost 250million to make.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
They were claiming 50 million was going to be low.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
That's what it made for the box office.
It's opening weekend 43.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, and Camel 91 said that it's weird that
there's two famous gay guyscalled Alan Carr.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that.
So, very oddly, there's aportly comedian who wears really
big glasses.
Yeah, and his name is also AlanCarr, and they look very
similar.
Yeah, and his name is also AlanCarr, and they look very
similar.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah, biden is a thief.
Is you know someone who listensto every episode of ours?

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Biden is a thief.
Yeah, he's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Biden is a thief, says Eileen Bowman's career was
destroyed.
Only eight acting credits onIMDb.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
Damn Poor girl.
Yeah, I'm not even sure if itwas destroyed, as much as never
got started because of it, right, but she is acting in san diego
quite a bit like doing still notheater.
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
she says she's happy now good, the oscars should
bring her back.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
They should, that would be great uh, speaking of
ad reads, sean, for uh, theyoutubers of death episode said
that that show intro was chef'skiss.
Nice job, kayatola, which is uh, you know something that you'll
know if you listen to, okay,bud yeah, I didn't even know,
that when he says sexist things.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Oh, I'm the kayatola that's the kayatola.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
Like my comments about yolanda earlier.
This pleases the kayatola thatpleased the guy, here you go see
, I thought I was pissing peopleoff, but I guess not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
No, not the kayatola yes, all right guys, that's
another week down.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Thank you so much for listening oh, my goodness, yeah
, and great job guys, greatresearch.
I learned a lot and uh reallyappreciate it.
Um, check out, okay, bud, uhagain check out the patreon.
Go to patreoncom, slash diebud.
Just a couple of bucks a monthand you can watch every show
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Thank you so much.
We're building this thing, thisplane.
We're still in the tarmac, butwe're about to take off, baby,

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so thank you all so much Fromthe bottom of my heart.
Hail yourself and until nextweek.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
don't go dying on us, Bye.
Bye-bye.

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