This Month in Death: July 2025 (Episode 174)

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Live from Los Angeles 9. 11 Whatis your emergency?
Here in Hollywood now, 2 counts of murder, injury and death.
Oh. My God.
Shocking new details. That has stunned the
entertainment world. This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms, just like in the movies we call
this thing anyway. Death.

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In entertainment. Greetings Dead O Universe, how
the heck are you? My name is Kyle Plouffe.
And I'm Jerry Aquino. And I'm Ben Kissel, and this is
July in death. Yes, that's right.
July 2025, everyone died. There's a lot of deaths in July.
Yeah, Yeah, that's what we're talking about today.

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Yeah, we're jumping in The Time Machine.
We're going 30 days earlier. Let's go.
OK. Remember. 30 days ago.

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Kind of. We were all so young.
Yeah, I. Remember those?
Those are the good old days. I know a simpler time.
We had hope then. And these people were alive.
Oh yeah, not for long. We're gonna start off here with
our boy Julian McMahon. I feel like his death didn't
really get a lot of play in the the news, which is crazy.
Yeah, because I didn't realize until after he was dead that he

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was actually the Prime Minister of Australias son.
I have no. Who is Julian McMahon?
No. He is the gentleman from Nip
Tuck. Oh yes.
He was Australian. He was Australian and he was.
Related to the Prime Minister. Yeah, he was the son of the 20th
Prime Minister. Oh my God, we will get into Yeah

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Neppo baby. Well, you would think it's it's
crazy. OK, so imagine this.
OK, you're born into Australian royalty.
I don't wanna be here. I don't wanna be here.
Why is there alligators everywhere?
But not the Tierra wearing Buckingham Palace kind.
OK, the political kind in Australian politics.
It's probably just trash like the rest.
Of us, of course. Yeah, yeah.

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Naturally. Julian Dana William McMahon,
which sounds like the most ritzyfucking name I've ever heard.
He entered the world on July 27th, 1968 in Sydney, Australia.
Nice. His dad, Sir William McMahon,
wasn't just some pencil pushing Parliament guy, he was actually
the 20th Prime Minister of Australia in the early 70s.

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I wonder if the birth process isa little bit different because
they're down under and they always say, oh, the toilet goes
a different direction and maybe you have to, maybe the maybe the
birth process is a little bit easier, huh?
Comes out the ass. Could be oh.
Boy, we don't know I. I I wouldn't.
I've never seen any footage, no.Well, his mom was Sonia McMahon,
and she was basically the JackieO of Australia.

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Glamorous, fashionable and a favorite of the tabloids.
Right until you're taking a bunch of chunks of human brain
off your dress just trying to have a nice Sunday, Jesus.
Jesus. Now growing up the son of a
Prime Minister sounds fancy, butfor Julian it was more like a
straight jacket. He hated politics.
Very not like Ben Kissel. Oh, whoa, whoa.

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I don't like him. Well, you'd like you.
May be blabbing about him. Didn't politics, maybe blabbing
about him, he had no interest. He was like, I don't even want
to be here right now. Right.
Yeah, but also like, wow, world's smallest violin.
Yeah, I have to be the son of a Prime Minister.
I don't even like politics. Yeah, come on now.
He hated the spotlight that wasn't his own.

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I would imagine having your father be a Prime Minister is
exceptionally annoying though, yeah.
Yeah, you always have to look all prim and right.
You always got, you always up. They're always like, don't
you're gonna look like a. You're gonna make us all look
like idiots. Don't embarrass the family.
I mean, you're. Like I'm 8, of course I'm gonna
embarrass the family. Yep and then it's like your dad
has to deal with like all these real world issues and you just

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know he's a fucking moron because he's your dad and you
see him do dumb shit all the time and you're like you're the
one who's deciding if we go to war or not.
Right. And then when you're young and
you're going to school with everybody, it's like you have
friends with parents in different sides of the aisle and
everyone wants them to do a certain thing.
And you can't make everybody happy.
You can't. Oh wow.
You can't. So everybody's mad at.
My mom says your dad won't do what's right.

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So I guess we can't play with Legos then.
OK, it's got politics, huh? OK.
In interviews later in his life,he admitted he'd never connected
with his dad's world of handshakes and policies.
Instead of dreaming about the debate club or diplomacy, young
Julian was obsessed with music and sports.
He went to Sydney Grammar School, one of the most elite
schools where they basically expect you to either cure cancer

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or become Prime Minister. Junior, OK.
But he just wanted to be an an art.
Gift. And in a sense, didn't he cure?
He cured ugliness in the show. Nip tuck.
Yeah. Isn't that what he did?
Yeah. Powerful.
He half assed his way through law school and political
science, probably just to keep his dad off his back, but every
professor and fellow student could tell this guy was not

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built for the courtroom or parliament.
Oh, so he was like, I just did it to like, prove to him that I
could do it. That's right, just 'cause I, I
don't wanna do it. Yeah, like Michael Crichton.
Yeah, Became a doctor and then was like, I'm just gonna write
about dinosaurs. He's built for the stage.
He was built for the stage all along.
Yes. So he did what most rich kids

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would do to piss off their parents.
He dropped out and became a model.
Yeah, good for him. Yeah, good for him.
Very attractive guy. Yeah, nice.
Like young Zoolander type. Oh.
Very much. But he had brains, bones,
chiseled face. The prime minister's son
strutting around in Cologne ads and fashion spreads.

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You can imagine the family dinners.
Dad's talking about foreign policy and Julian's saying,
well, I did just get a photo shoot for Brute Cologne.
Isn't that that's amazing? Yeah, I think supposed to be
embarrassing. No, I think his dad would be
proud of him. An actor, an actor slash model
son. I mean politics are all acting
and you do wanna you have to have sometimes you could have

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model good looks. Yeah, true, which it only helps.
Yeah. And it sounds like he was a
successful model and actor pretty quickly.
Yeah. It's not like he was, like a
struggling actor, right? Aspiring model at the dinner
table. Those are embarrassing.
Yeah, you know, like you should.Then the then people at the
table are like, you know, you should talk to your Uncle Larry,

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you know, his son's girlfriend. She's really getting everything
kicking off. Or they just go, hey, talk to my
buddy's friend. He's he can get you in the
union. Oh God.
And not the actors union, right?Like the brick layers?
I mean, if you can get in that union, you're doing good, yeah.
So yeah, the modeling gigs actually did get him noticed
pretty soon. He wasn't just the PM son who

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didn't study, he was getting TV work in an Australia that meant
one place soap operas. Oh.
He popped up on the power, the passion, and then home and away.
That's hilarious, All of these emotionally LED shows.
Very the power and the passion. Yeah, I guess Home and Away is
just the Aussie version of General Hospital that meets

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Baywatch. Yeah.
Oh, everyone's hot, everyone's crying and everyone's shirtless.
I. Kind of want to watch it.
Yeah, that actually sounds very entertaining.
Yeah. Julian looked like 1,000,000
bucks but acting. Let's just say the critics were
polite. Well, yeah, they'll they'll be
killed if they diss him. Right, that's true too.
That actually is pretty good. Yeah, you.

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Know who my dad is. He did have his own charisma,
though, enough to make teenage girls swoon.
Oh. The Rizz yeah, Rizz factor.
Nice. He had enough to catch the eye
of a very famous Australian pop star, Danni Minogue, which is
Kylie's little sister. No kidding.
Wait, what? Yeah, Julian married Kylie

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Minogue's sister in 1994. OK.
That's awesome. Yeah, good for him.
But here's the thing. For all his glossy beginnings,
Julian McMahon wasn't just another pretty soap opera guy.
He wanted more. He wanted right here in
Hollywood. Yep, you got to come here if you
want to be seen as a serious actor.
Yeah, but. It sounds like he was kind of

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good at everything that he's been like working up to his
entire life. Yeah, by the mid 90s he was
packing his bags for America, ready to reinvent himself.
From. From just the Australian boy
soap opera guy with no shirt on.Well, he's a super hunk, yeah.
He's got the crazy chiseled jawline.

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Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
So, yeah, he's tall, too. He's got the jawline.
I mean, not a lot of actors are really tall.
This guy was one of them. OK.
His jawline looked like it was carved by Michelangelo like.
Actors are either really, reallytall or very, very small.
Yeah, I feel like they're all just a bunch of walking butt
plugs. Like Tom Cruise.
He's the biggest movie star in the world.
He's fucking this big. Yeah, a lot of tiny guys out

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there for sure. Pretty quickly he landed his
first big American gig, which isProfiler on NBC.
I don't know if you guys remember this show, but if you
were a fan of X-Files or Millennium back then, Profiler
was right up your alley. Was it like breaking the Epstein
case wide open or what were theydoing if?
We wish. Yeah.
It was serial killers, FBI profilers, and lots of brooding

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close-ups. Hmm.
Julian played Detective John Grant, the skeptical partner who
had to stand around and look concerned while the lead psychic
profiler solved everything. That's all he's got to do.
He just had to onlook. Yeah, it's just like the the
psychic would walk in there and be like, I, I see everything
that's happening. He's like you, You, you got it,
boss. Boom, I love that nail some.
Some kind of Comic Relief, maybe?

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Yeah, job well done. Right on.
Critics didn't love the show, but Julian he stood out enough
to land his next gig, a show that would define him for
generations to come. A show called Charmed.
Oh. No way.
OK. Interesting.
Yeah. So in the year 2000, Julian

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stepped into the world of witches demons in the WWB
network. Sex Appeal.
Yeah, it was very sexy, wasn't it?
Oh God. Well, Trump was the best.
Vampires, but young hot undead folk.
Yeah, but I don't think they liked each other in real life.
No. Lot of passion behind the stage,
yes. That was that was the girls,

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yeah. The girls did not.
Yes. Yeah.
He played Cole Turner 1/2 demon who falls in love with Alyssa
Milano's Phoebe. Yeah.
So. Young and fans ate that shit up.
Yes, they did. He was Moody, dangerous,
impossibly handsome. I'm surprised he's straight.
That's how handsome he is. He's I'm surprised he's

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straight. He's all well, Captain.
Shit. Yeah, he's crazy.
He's basically every goth girl'sdream in the early 2000s Hell.
Yeah, I'm so into this. Yeah, the WB turned him into a
heartthrob. Suddenly, the Prime minister's
dropout son wasn't just a soap punk.
He went international. Oh.
Now his Prime Minister deck would finally be proud of him.
Take that dead, yeah. The fandom loved Colon Phoebe so

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hard that even when the writers tried to kill him off, they had
to bring him back. Wow, over and over they tried to
kill him off multiple times. That's hilarious.
And he's like, but I'm undead. Yeah, right, right.
He's like kill what is kill me off, really.
I'm half demon, right? But behind the scenes, his
personal life wasn't as magical.His marriage to Danni Minogue
fizzled out fast, less than two years, which makes sense because

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they were married in 94. By 95, he's like, all right,
let's move to a different continent, right?
Let's. You know, it's a lot.
It is a lot. Rumors swirled about jealousy,
distance, and Julian's wanderingeye.
Oh, well, yeah. I mean, you come to into another
country, all of a sudden you gotAmerican babes all over you.
Yeah, you stand out 'cause you have the accent and everything,

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and then every girl's trying to freaking blow you.
I mean, Danni Minogue is pretty fucking hot though.
Oh. For sure though, wow, she's.
Like, wow. Hot.
Yeah. Yeah, I think he was doing just
fine. Yep.
And then came a role that turnedhim from cult TV star to
household name. The year was 2003.
FX debuts a show called Nip Tuckand he played Doctor Christian

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Troy, a Miami plastic surgeon who had it all.
The looks, the money, the charm and absolutely no morals.
Right, but you got to hang out and play with guts all day.
Yeah, he's like the Hank Moody of plastic surgery.
Yeah, he's like Patrick Bateman with a scalpel.
Nice. The show was shocking, sexy,
violent, and way ahead of its time.

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It wasn't just about boob jobs and facelifts.
It was about identity, vanity, addiction, and the rot
underneath the American dream. Hell.
Yeah. Mm hmm.
And Julian? He was the perfect villain you
couldn't help rooting for. Some people have said it's a
genocide. What?
Really. Yes.
I forget who it was. One of these famous celebrities.
She's slightly older. I think it might have been the
gal who is in all of the Halloween movies, Jamie Lee

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Curtis. Here it is.
She says that all the so I believe it was her.
She says all the plastic surgery.
It's a it's a genocide. Of.
What of of the human body of theof no, I mean.
I think side of ugliness. I think a lot of these surgeries
make people look very, very strange.
Yeah, yeah. I'm not a fan of the post
plastic surgery, especially whenit really starts building up.

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Right. And especially when they're
already young, you know, it's like people in their early 20s,
you get it, and then you look like you're 50 and it's just
stop, love yourself. Yeah, yeah.
If you start too young, it's notyou're not going to be able to
go back. Yeah, I gave myself a cleft lip
because I thought that might make me feel like Joaquin
Phoenix. How did you give yourself a
cleft lip? It was a pair of scissors, but
then I had to stitch it back. I had to stitch it back.

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Now I'm totally joking. I did not.
But that's what people would do.That's what people do for
success around here and. Me people do the fork tongue and
everything. Absolutely.
I guess. That's what I would do,
hopefully, if I had. I'm a gold, I'm a gold Turkey.

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So you got it just so you could sell like a Turkey?
Yeah, that's pretty. Cool.
Why'd you get that big sack on your neck?
I just want to be a Turkey. So as he's playing Christian,
one minute he's seducing someone's wife, the next he's
quietly unraveling because entire his entire life is empty.
Oh. My God, it ain't easy out there,
and it's not. Easy being breezy.

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Critics raved. Emmy buzz followed.
Suddenly, Julia McMahon wasn't just the hot guy from that witch
show, he was a serious, traumatic actor.
There you go. You know, I never did see nip
tuck. It's I've only seen specific
episodes I haven't watched the whole way through but everything
I saw was like really crazy for the time especially too it
seems. Like it?
Yeah, and it was in a time before Breaking Bad and, you

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know, all the anti heroes becamevery popular.
I feel like he's like one of thefirst, at least in the.
Oh wow. Cable network TV area, Yeah.
Yeah. For six seasons, nip tuck
dominated water cooler talk, sexscandals, drug spirals, even
guest stars like Rosie O'Donnelland Fankey Jensen were stealing

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scenes. But that at the heart of it was
always Julian as Christian Troy,a man addicted to excess who
could never quite cut out his own.
Flaws. You know, I don't think people
really do the water cooler talk anymore.
I think HR ruined it. Well, now it's micro kitchens,
right? It's not even water coolers.
There's a giant little micro kitchen you can go to.

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Yeah, awkward talk in front of the microwave.
Right. You know, just.
Being like oh dude, did you grabthe last gum?
Damn it. I hate that when they grab the
last gum. Yeah, yeah, it happens all the
time. They offer like gum and peanuts
and chips and drinks now. Right.
Yeah, don't just give me a pay raise.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, seriously.
I'll take healthcare, please. Thank you please.

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We don't have. That, but we offer free potatoes
on Tuesdays. By the mid 2000s, Julian was on
top of the world. He had fame, money, critical
acclaim. Which of course meant Hollywood
was about to do what Hollywood always does cast him in a
superhero movie. Let's.
Go, I thought. You were gonna say frame him for
murder? That too, Yeah.

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In 2005, there was the previous version of the Fantastic Four.
Actually two previous versions. Two previous versions ago.
Yeah. So Fantastic Four came out this
year and then there was one in like 2011 and then there's 1
from 2005. Yep.
Oh. Shit, yeah, they just.
I just can't get behind the Fantastic Four.
I don't know why. I know they're super important.
I just can't. Are they?

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They are. They are there.
Well, the Mr. Fantastic or whatever the the main guy, he's
supposed to be like the the biggest dude around.
Yeah, yeah. I just can't really get into.
It I know I could never really get into it, but they do have
one of the best villains of all time in any comic book in the
universe and that is exactly whoJulian McMahon got to play
Victor Von Doom AKA Doctor Doom.Yes, he's always playing naughty

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doctors. Yeah, that's true.
He's got a knack for it. Yeah, he does.
Look, casting wise, it all made sense.
He had the cheekbones, the menace, the charisma.
Unfortunately, the movie Yikes. Really.
Yeah, the 2005 Fantastic Four, you know, wasn't the worst
version, but it wasn't good either.

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Bad CGI and Jessica Alba and a blonde wig.
Yeah. Yeah.
Ain't good. Julian did what he could with
Doctor Doom, but the script turned 1 of Marvel's most iconic
villains into basically a grumpyguy with metal skin.
I mean, I would be grumpy too. Yeah, my skin hurts.

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It would hurt. The sequel in 2007, Rise of the
Silver Surfer, didn't help much.Same problem.
Julian could brood, but he couldn't save the material.
Yeah. By the late 2000s, his shot at a
blockbuster stardom was over. They just kicked him to the
curb, huh? Yeah, pretty much.
That ain't right. It's.
Ridiculous. Like he couldn't, he couldn't.
He couldn't have done anything else.

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A little more dramatic and less comic booky.
Yeah, it sucks because it's likeyou they say you can't out act
the writing, like the writing always has to be there and it
clearly wasn't right. But you have to also take risks
in Hollywood. And he definitely took one, took
a big swing, but. Yeah.
People like I don't like it, so now we're not gonna put you back

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on. You're damned if you do, damned
if you don't. That's what I heard.
That's. Ridiculous, that's what I it
like. It isn't even it didn't fail
because of him, right? So then he retreated back to TV
guest spots, smaller projects, even a season of Dirk Gently's
Holistic Detective Agency. I don't know that one.
I like it though. Dirk Gently, yeah.
I guess so. OK, jerk gently.

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I'll take it any which way I can.
Solid work, but never again saw the pop culture dominance of Nip
Tuck. After he retired, he did a
interview. We're going to do a little clip
here. Oh.
Nice. So this is Julian pretty much
talking about where he ended up after Nip Tuck.
Nip Tuck, I had just just finished probably 20 years of

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consistent work without much of a break, and I was pretty.
And I'd also done the Fantastic Four movies at the same time.
And that was a grueling, grueling schedule.
Because, for example, one week would be I'd work on nip tuck
from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,maybe Thursday.
Thursday night I'd be on a planeand I'd shoot in Vancouver, up

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in Alaska or wherever it was on,on Fantastic Four.
And that would be, you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday on a
plane back to Los Angeles. Monday morning, 5:00 on set in
for Nip Tuck. It's crazy.
You could talk all the shit you want about actors, but that type
of grueling schedule is not easy.

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That is a. Lot of work.
Yeah. I'd be exhausted, be crying, and
then wherever you go, Alaska, I'd be cold.
Yeah. Well, tired.
It is a great place though if you want to go have a nice time,
hide out, hang out with the bears.
Yeah. Just chill out, he did a great
job of talking through that burp.

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Wouldn't quit. Really good.
Would not quit. Because he had a burp coming and
he just kept on the words, swallowed it in there.
You can't teach that. You really can't.
You just yeah, that that's that comes with age.
Absolute wisdom and age. Yeah, just a a level of talent.
It also sounded like he completely lost his Australian

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accent. It there was a little bit of a
tinge in there, a little bit, but it wasn't as strong as you
would expect. Right.
Also, I thought it was hilariouswhere he's like, I just finished
20 years of work and also the Fantastic Four.
Well, I feel like that's your payday.
Yeah, no one is. Maybe a couple.
I don't know. But many actors don't aspire to
be in a Marvel movie. I always feel like that's when

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they like, take their money and they realize like, OK, I'm a
sellout, but hey, I got to be mykids.
I think some people like to be, they want to be known to be
like, Oh, well, at least I had like my part in the Marvel
Universe or in the Star Wars universe.
Yeah, for me, I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't have minded back thenjumping into the Star Wars
universe. Now I don't know where that's
really at. You could have been lucky, and

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Daredevil still could. Or Deadpool.
I'm sorry, Deadpool. Oh yeah, lucky yeah, but she the
the fine ass Zaza Zaza beats. That's her name.
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Zazi.
Zazi beats, I believe, are incredible.
Yeah. So hot.
Well. You still have a tan.
You still have a chance. I still have a tandem of a
chance. Yeah, yeah.

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Now here's the part. Why not?
Here's the part that turns our story from charmed to charred.
On July 2nd, 2025, Julia McMahonpassed away just shy of his 57th
birthday after a private battle with cancer.
Oh, it wasn't heart failure or asudden accident.
According to the Pinellas CountyMedical Examiner's Office in

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Florida, he died of lung metastasis, static stemming from
head and neck cancer. He said chart.
I thought it was gonna be a BBQ related accident.
No, just death. Just death.
Yeah. Oh damn.
Wow, he had. A lot of cancer.
He was all in shape and everything.
He was all handsome. Cancer doesn't care.
Doesn't give a fuck. It was a quietly human, tragic,

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familiar passing. One that fits none of the
Hollywood cliches. His wife, Kelly McMahon,
released a heartfelt statement. She said quote with an open
heart. I wish to share with the world
that my beloved husband Julian McMahon died peacefully this
week after a valiant effort to overcome cancer.
Julian loved his life, he loved his family, he loved his

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friends, he loved his work. Except for the Fantastic Four.
Right. Well, we don't know that.
She didn't say that bragged about.
It Yeah. And he loved his fans.
His deepest wish was to bring joy to as many lives as
possible. When he did just that, he did.
He did just that, yeah. So RIP Julian McMahon.
Heck yeah. It's nice to know his name also.

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Yeah, seriously. I don't like that whole cancer
thing. And that he's not related to
Vince. Right.
Vince McMahon. Right he might be.
Who knows? Yeah, I was like any relation,
no? Yeah.
He wouldn't like his politics either.
You know, if you're gonna die and you got the cancer, right,
you know you're gonna die. Yeah, and you're an actor.
Just go drive, you know, go, go blow yourself up somehow.

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Pull up Thumbeline, Louise. Yeah, Walker.
Go have fun. Yeah, go do something big.
You know, because you're gonna die anyway.
Like like go D in the Viper room.
Yeah, some fun shit. Yeah.
Something that's like, holy shit, how'd they die be like you
didn't notice. Oh my God.
Yeah, his asshole was literally coming through his eyeball.
Oh boy. You know, something kind of

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crazy. Oh boy.
Well, that's just me. That that's just me.
Yeah, yeah. No, I'll hold you to that when
that comes. Up.
Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna use, I'm gonna take my skin off,
shave it off and make myself into a big tent.
And then we have people come in to me, which is my tent form,
and then I'm going to have them,I don't know what, probably do a
bunch of drugs and burn me down.Yeah.

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Very, very Midsomer. Oh yeah.
Shoot me out of a circus cannon.OK.
And moving on to Michael Madsen.Let's go.
Hollywood's bloody knuckle. What?
Oh yeah. Why?
Well, there could be many reasons.
Yeah, OK. Michael Madsen was the kind of
actor who could make you laugh, make you nervous, and make you

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wonder if he was acting at all. Right.
He was the human embodiment of acigarette butt smoldering in the
gutter. He really is scary guy.
But also, like, you want to smoke, Yeah.
Yeah. Gritty, dangerous, maybe a
little sad, but impossible to ignore.
Someone you crave, Yeah. Kind of, yeah.
He had a sex appeal about him. Ohh, did he a little bit I
could. Yeah, everything you said was

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kind of sexy. And like a lot of Hollywood
tough guys, the character bled into the man.
Yes, his life was a cocktail. His life was a cocktail of
career highs, financial lows, personal demons and tragedy.
Mm hmm. Oh wow.
Was he on the? Celebrity sober show.
I think he was on like the sober.
Show, I'm sure he was yeah, he seems like the perfect fit for

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all those yes. Right, but they don't even try
to get sober on that show, no. No, no they don't.
Really do a good job. No, Vern Troyer's in the corner
pissing into the yeah off of hisscooter.
That would be funny. That was actually awesome.
Michael Madsen was born September 25th, 1957 in Chicago,
the son of Elaine and Calvin Madsen.

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His dad was a fireman, literallyrunning into burning buildings
while his mom worked in finance.Middle class family, Midwest
grit. But this wasn't a storybook
childhood. Michael had two sisters,
Virginia, who would later becomea successful actress herself.
Right? And Cheryl?
Well, you wouldn't know. We don't like Cheryl.
No, it just sounds like. Here's Virginia's successful

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sister, and then there's Cheryl.And there's fucking Cheryl.
Well, Cheryl keeps the family together.
Damn it. When you guys go out to
Hollywood, someone's gonna take care of mom and dad.
Family together, because no one can stand Cheryl.
Well, Cheryl had to move in withmom after Dad died because no
one was gonna take care of Mom. How much Cheryl sucks.
I just wish we would appreciate.Cheryl, God, you never believe
what Cheryl said to me this week.
I can't stand. Her.

(26:28):
Well, Cheryl is, you know, she'sthe one in the group chat that
you gotta mute. Yeah, yeah.
But that's OK. She's like, you're welcome.
I picked up your medications this week.
Right, without me, Mom's dead, you know.
And Well, thank you, Cheryl. Thanks, Cheryl.
Virginia often described their family as creative but chaotic.
And Michael, let's just say school was not his favorite
subject. School was not his favorite

(26:50):
subject. So the whole whole thing, right?
OK, got you. No particular subject, just
school is a general subject, yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK, So what do you study? School.
Not the best. Yeah, it's not my subject.
Not my favorite. Yeah, he was restless, hot
headed and gravitated toward thekinds of trouble that only
Chicago teenagers in the 70s could find.

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Street fights, bad decisions, hanging with the wrong crowd.
It was all part of his DNA. Yeah, they were chewing bubble
gum all wrong and and starting to they were tickling each other
mean spirited. And snapping when they saw other
gangs, they. Didn't write.
What kept him tethered, oddly enough, was storytelling.
He was fascinated by movies, by actors, people who could

(27:33):
transform into larger than life figures.
He idolized the tough guys Brando Dean McQueen, and like
many future Hollywood stars, he took a leap of faith after some
time working odd jobs as a mechanic, a delivery driver,
even a stint in a jail workshop program.
Nice. That's great.
Good for him. Pretty awesome.

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I mean, it would foreshadow where he was going.
Well, he auditioned for theatre.Good.
Which is very like jail, yes. Mm hmm.
It is it's own. Jail.
It is it's own jail, isn't it? Where?
Everyone changes in the exact same place.
Prison of the mind. Mm Hmm.
Here's the thing about Madsen. He never had that polished drama
school energy. He wasn't like a theater kid.

(28:15):
That's no. Oh my God.
Yeah. No, I'm still not convinced he
knows how to act. But he didn't know the camera
was there. He did it though.
No, he was just. He was just being.
He was just being yeah. Yeah, he was no Juilliard Golden
Boy. He was raw.
He was in Chicago, Chicago's theater scene, and that worked.
It wasn't long before he found himself on stage and soon after

(28:37):
making the move West to Los Angeles.
Well, let's go. Hollywood loved Michael Madsen,
but only in a very specific way.He wasn't the boy next door.
He wasn't the leading man. He wasn't the Tom Cruise mold.
He was a character actor, the dangerous guy who slouches in
the corner of a bar and makes you instantly nervous.
He's the guy who, you know, he'sin your life, but you want to

(29:00):
keep him right there. Yeah.
You know, you don't invite him home.
He's like a vampire. You don't bite him in because
he's not leaving. Yeah.
Next thing you know, you're involved in some kind of, you
know, car car theft. Yeah.
Who knows what it might be? Totally some some kind of an
armed robbery is gonna happen unbeknownst to you, and he's
always going to hold a cigarettein the coolest way, right?

(29:21):
But you cannot mimic. Right next to your toddler and
you're gonna be like, can you not do that, please?
He's gonna just look at you and just like, blow smoke straight
into the toddler. Right.
And then the toddler's gonna be like, you're so much cooler than
my dad. Yeah.
And then it'll all be horrible. I feel like he's the kind of guy
who this things like it's not exactly an insurance scam.
Right. Yeah, but hear me out.
It's legal, yeah, OK. Yeah, and then he puts the

(29:42):
cigarette out in the soft spot of your baby's head.
Well, no, just ashes it there. And you still think he's cool?
Yeah. That's why it's there.
In the 1980s, he started pickingup small roles in TV and movies,
war games in 1983, The Natural in 84 and just a string of cop
shows. But it was the early 90s when

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lightning struck a man, I don't know if you've heard of him, man
by the name of Quentin Tarantino.
Oh, I. Heard of him?
Who? I've heard of him.
Quentin. Tarantino.
Tarantino. Wow.
Yeah. He cast them in Reservoir Dogs
in 1992, and just like that, Michael Madsen instantly became
an icon. The movie is more than that.
Movie is over 30 years old. It's so crazy.

(30:25):
Oh my God. That's fucking it's and it's
such a good it still holds up. That totally does.
I always forget that it came first in a lot of the Quentin
Tarantino universe. Right?
Yeah. It really was.
His Mr. Blonde calm, smiling, dancing while committing acts of
brutality. Mm hmm.
Unforgettable. He was fantastic.

(30:46):
He was, Oh my God, it's so true.I mean there was scared dude on
the chair tied up and he's like.Dancing around, Yeah.
I watched him talk about when he, so he cut that guy's ear
off, right, Right. And then he's like just
subconsciously in my head. I said, what if I talk to it?
You talk to it? He's like, that wasn't scripted.
So that was brilliant. Yeah, that whole sequence was
not scripted. It said he was like dancing like

(31:07):
a maniac. And he asked Quentin, he's like,
what? What's dancing like a maniac?
He's like, just do whatever you want, we're gonna play the song.
And he's just like, I just did what I, I felt.
And then he talked to the Ear and it changed cinema forever.
Yeah, talking to the ear thing was fucked.
Up. It's chilling, kind of funny.
Crazy sociopathic nonsense to. Get a piece of humor, yeah.

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So this one role sealed his reputation.
He was suddenly the go to guy for criminals, killers and every
shady bastard in between. I think that's so much more fun
than being cask constantly. It's the good guy.
Oh yeah. Completely, dude.
It would be so fun cutting people's ears off and screaming
at. Him.
Yep, cut a cut a Dick off, use it as a straw.

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You know, there's a bunch of stuff you could do with body
parts. There is.
Ed Gee knows that. Yes, indeed.
And Tarantino was not done with him.
He came back for Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume 2.
It's fantastic, man. He played Bud, the washed up
assassin turned trailer dwellingburnout.
It was genius casting. It really was.

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I mean, he's just so iconic in that movie.
That girl deserves her revenge and we deserve to die.
But it's like, but we ain't gonna fucking do it, are we?
Fucking whoa man, he is incredible.
Yeah, he could balance between being pathetic and terrifying in
the same scene. Yeah.
Over his career, he racked up 300 acting credits.

(32:33):
Wow, really? Over 300.
Wow, any porn in there? Did he share?
There probably is. Yeah.
Some hits, a lot of straight to DVD flops.
But you know what? Mel Gibson had to do that for a
while too. That's.
The way of the game. Let's go Nick Cage.
I mean, there's so many. Most of his movies go right to
DVD. Yeah, legend.
Now it's right to streaming. It was straight to Redbox for a

(32:53):
while for those guys. Yeah, yeah.
But he never stopped working. He did Tarantino film, sure, but
also endless indie crime thrillers with titles like Vice,
Blood Red and Beyond the Law. Hell.
Yeah. If there was a cigar chomping
gangster roll going, his phone would ring.
Very nice. Oh, that's good.
I mean, again, he just did it. So Florida State.

(33:14):
Yeah, I learned the guy from Quantum Leap.
The guy that wasn't the guy Quantum Leaping, but his buddy.
Huh. OK, He he wasn't supposed to
smoke cigars. But then he was like, what if my
character smoke cigars? And then he did that so we can
get free cigars, Ziggy. Yeah, there.
You go. So if you're Michael Madsen, I
bet you got free cigars then, too.
Cigar does. Come on, play the game, play the

(33:34):
system. We got an interview here with
Michael Madsen talking about howhe got connected to Quentin.
Let's go. How did you end up working on
Reservoir Dogs? Did you know Quentin before that
or? I knew I knew Harvey Keitel
because I had done Thelma and Louise with him and he my scenes
with him in that movie got got cut out.

(33:57):
I had a couple, you remember I'min the in the diner with, with
Susan Sarandon. And I say to her that I'm not
going to tell anybody where theyare.
And so, in fact, when I get backhome, I get arrested and they
bring me in the precinct and Harvey wants me to tell him
where they are. And I say, no, I'm not going to

(34:17):
tell you nothing. And it was really cool because
we made-up a lot of it, you know, And I had a cigarette and
I was flicking the ashes on the floor.
And then I finally just put it right down.
I put it, I flicked it down. And Harvey climbed up over the
top of the desk, man. And he was going to choke me
out, you know, you know, you seeHarvey coming at you.
It's a little describing. And we just had such a fun time

(34:42):
working on it. It was such a great working
relationship that when the film came out and I, I, my scenes
with him were deleted from the film.
You know, I was always kind of alittle, you know, I was, I was,
that didn't make me very happy. And when he, when I heard about
Reservoir Dogs, I got the scriptand I read the script and I

(35:03):
thought it was really interesting.
And my agent told me that it wasabout a bunch of guys that kill
each other. And I, you know, I said, well,
who's in the damn thing? And they said Harvey Keitel is
attached as Mr. White and so. That's insane that getting cut
from a movie ended up getting him into the role of his

(35:23):
lifetime. Yep.
Yes, but you always say yes. And even when something bad
happens, it can turn into very much a positive.
Yeah, yeah, he needed to be in that room where he worked with
Harvey Keitel, had the time of his life.
Yeah, so Keitel knew he was salty about it and was like,
hey, let's get you in an actual movie where you can't be cut out
of. Yeah, totally awesome.
And you never know. You never know until you're

(35:44):
watching that movie in the theater.
You're in it or not. Yeah, so true.
I've had friends that have been on last comic standing, made it
to the semi finals and they werecut from the entire thing like
it would never even end and it'slike they thought they were
gonna be like the featured guy. I'm gonna be the next Dat fan.
It's probably best to be cut outof most of that shit, to be
honest. Yeah, the Lord works in

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mysterious ways. Maybe not in that case.
Probably would have been cool tobe in Thelma and Louise, but
then would he have even gotten the job in in Reservoir Dogs?
Because Quentin would have seen him as this other character.
That's very. Although granted, it seemed like
it was a similar character, but you know.
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't just film.He actually lent his gravelly
voice to video games like Grand Theft Auto and True Crime
Streets of LA. Oh, I.

(36:26):
Played both of those, Awesome. And this I learned writing this
script. He published poetry.
Oh really? Actual poetry.
He has books like Burning in Paradise and The Complete Poetic
Works of Michael Madsen, volume one.
Wow. That's incredible.
Volume 1. People have described it as
surprisingly earnest, gritty reflections on fame, loneliness

(36:47):
and addiction. Oh, I love that.
So Speaking of addiction, classic Hollywood story, he he
did fall into the depths of it. First, it was alcohol.
He was never shy about drinking.Onset offset wherever.
Multiple Duis, multiple stints of rehab.
He filed for bankruptcy at leastonce and his finances were a

(37:10):
mess from years of bad decisions.
Relatable. Yeah.
In 2012, he was arrested for child endangerment after an
altercation with his teenage son.
The charges were dropped, but itadded to the image of a man out
of control. Yep.
In 2019, another DUI arrest. By then, he was less a Hollywood
rebel and more cautionary tale. Wow.

(37:30):
Well, you know, this is the price of creative genius.
It could be. I got a couple of poems.
You want to hear them? Yeah.
This one's called Luxembourg. Oh, this the world's smallest
country? Is that right?
Yes. Oh, wow.
Yeah, it says. Raindrop sliding down the
windshield, crying clouds. All right, feeling better?
I took my belt off, dropped in on the couch.

(37:52):
It looked like a black snake. OK.
That's Luxembourg. That's that's his belt, she
says. I can hear the traffic on the
highways, cars driving through rain.
Sounds the same wherever you go.Luxembourg isn't that
interesting. And this one's called the Dead.
I went to the United States Military cemetery in Luxembourg

(38:13):
and touched the marbled cross atGeneral George Patton's grave.
5O76 American soldiers buried there. 5076 American soldiers
buried there. I walked up and down the rows of
markers and saw some cry. Cry leaves blow across the
sidewalk. I read some names and said a
prayer in the Chapel. When I left, I heard the dead
screaming, but Patton was quiet.Wow.

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Isn't that powerful stuff? Well, I feel like you're saying
that sarcastically. But no, I am not I.
Think it does sound. I think it does sound powerful.
I think it is. Powerful.
Surprisingly earnest. Now it's surprisingly earnest.
Yeah, exactly. Just like the reviews.
Yes. And then a tragedy that seemed
to break him. In January 2022, his son Hudson,
just 26 years old, died by suicide in Hawaii.

(38:57):
Oh, that sucks. That's so sad.
The same 1 he was trouble with child endangerment for fighting
when he was a teenager. That's so sad.
Yeah. They had a rocky relationship.
Yeah. He was devastated, describing it
as the most shattering moment ofhis life.
He told reporters he couldn't understand it, couldn't process
it, and friends said he Friends have said he never recovered.

(39:20):
Oh, I don't think you do, no. Yeah, I don't know you would.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's crazy.
Like I had an older brother thatpassed away and I it's crazy
when you are, when it's your older brother and you become
older than they were when they passed.
It's like a mind blowing thing but I can't even imagine
already. It's your son.
Like you're already, he hasn't even gone through anything

(39:42):
you've been through so young, 26years old.
Very sad. And you know, no parent, no
parent should go through that. No one wants to outlive their
child. Not even Mr. Blonde.
No, seriously. People said he looked older,
slower, like a man weighed down by grief.
I'm sure he did. Yeah, in the final stretch of

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his life, Michael Madsen kept grinding.
Still filming low budget projects, still showing up at
conventions, still scribbling down poetry.
His health was deteriorating. He looked gaunt, moved slower.
His once commanding presence wasdimming.
And then, in July 2025, came thenews.
Michael Madsen had died at 67. I was so young. 67 OK.

(40:26):
Yeah, reports said it was due tocomplications from long term
health struggles. Decades of hard living catching
up to him. It wasn't glamorous, it wasn't
shocking. It was just sad.
Oh. My God.
Yeah. Well.
Not not glamorous or shocking, but still just like, you know,
just all of it comes. Just it all comes to a head.

(40:47):
Yeah. On screen, he was unforgettable.
He brought a dangerous authenticity that few actors
could match. He was the Hollywood tough guy,
a man that could terrify you with a grin and a sideways
glance. Oh yeah, definitely.
Off screen, he was a flawed man.Alcohol, arrests, accusations,
tragedy. A man who seemed to wrestle with

(41:09):
his demons in public, never quite able to exercise them.
He could smoke a cigarette like a motherfucker though, I'll tell
you. Yeah.
One of the better cigarette smokers I've ever seen.
Cigarette smoked him. Strength isn't just about the
roles you play. It's about showing up even when
you're broken. And Madsen, despite the
wreckage, kept showing up. For better or for worse, he

(41:29):
never stopped being himself. So RIP Michael Madsen.
Michael Madsen. There we go, dude.
Badass. Yeah.
Special place in my heart for Michael Madsen, dude.
I know it's crazy. It's.
True, you can't. You really couldn't be that
piercing look that he had just so.
Yeah, just like very like bad boy, but like not.

(41:50):
It was. It was like dangerous and scary,
but not like creepy, right? It was always like.
Cool. Hey, I mean, he's a good guy to
have around. You want him in your group.
Yes. Well, yeah, you want him in your
group, so he's gonna shoot your tits off.
Right. Exactly.
That's the kind of thing God. He's always worried about people
shooting my tits off. Oh, constantly.
Oh, he gave me the fear of getting my tits shot.

(42:10):
Off. Oh, he'll shoot him off.
Absolutely. That fucking hook, line and
sinker. And then and then the other
thing burying me alive slash UmaThurman.
Another crazy, terrifying thing.Those are two moments that I
just that haunted my life as soon as I saw that movie for
years. Made you stronger though, didn't
they? It sure did, and now and now I

(42:31):
don't. I don't try to knock on trailer
parks looking for a hot to console sword.
Definitely not. Yeah, I let it be.
I just let it be, It's fine. So for this next segment, we are
going to Costa Rica. Oh, I always wanted to.
One of the icons of the 80s, Malcolm Jamal Warner.

(42:52):
Oh, let's go. Let's fucking go.
I think that he, my understanding was he had a
pretty good time after The CosbyShow.
Yeah. He's doing all right.
Yeah. He seemed like he was acting.
Yeah, he's always looked great. I thought you were going to stay
in Costa Rica. I was like, well, he probably
did for a while. Well, yeah, I'm not exactly sure
what happened there. I'll tell you, but first we got

(43:12):
to go back to when he was born. Malcolm Jamal Warner was born
August 18th, 1970 in Jersey City, NJ.
Jersey City. His mother, Pamela, named him
after Malcolm X and jazz pianistAhmad Jamal.
I love. That no pressure, no.
Pressure at. All sounds like the kids birth
certificate should be on the cover of a protest record.

(43:35):
Very nice. Yeah, Pamela raised him as a
single mom and made damn sure hehad direction.
Malcolm wasn't just some kid wandering the streets.
He was in acting classes by age 9, already hungry for the stage.
Aw, he went. Yeah, he had a drive about him.
You could always see it. Yeah, he went to the pro school,
the professional children's school in New York, a training,

(43:57):
a training ground for prodigies.And that's where he learned how
to act, to move, to stay grounded.
He wasn't just a stage mom casualty.
He was no, he seemed to have like enjoyed it.
Yeah, this was a mother and son unit.
Unit with purpose, because, yeah, we've talked about the
mimps before. Oh yeah, the moms who pimp out
their kids and they just, they're in it for the check.
They don't care what room their kid has taken into as long as

(44:18):
the check's still clear. Yeah, and, and the kids are
miserable. They don't want to do anything.
And the next thing you know, youwrite a book called I'm Glad My
Mom Died, right? Actually happened.
That actually fucking. Happened.
It was a comedian, wasn't? It Yeah, it was a girl that was
on a Nickelodeon show. Yeah, she was like the sidekick
girl. I think it's called that.
I'm glad my mom's dead. Yeah, that insane.

(44:41):
That's. Kind of crazy.
Yeah, I mean, her mom just like just she was from the day she
was like young, just like her mom's unborn career.
Oh my God, that's horrible. Well, in the early 80s,
lightning struck for him and hismother.
In 1984, NBC was looking for America's new TV family.
So NBC ends up launching The Cosby Show The.

(45:03):
Cosby. The Old Cosby Show.
I watched it. Oh, you had to.
Absolutely. The the weirdest thing is that
Bill Cosby was a gynecologist. Is he in the show?
Doctor. Doctor, hospital, Huck store.
He was like God. I know that was the kind of
doctor he was. And I didn't realize this till
recently. He was.
No. He was performing his exams in

(45:26):
the basement of the house. He would come up from the
basement and take his gloves offand like, throw him on the table
like he wasn't just inside a woman.
No, no, he's. No, they're very true.
I've always been a Family Matters guy.
Yeah, that was a good old. He was a cop.
The father in that was a good old police officer.
I. Like family matters too.
I just loved Rudy. She was.

(45:50):
She went missing. What?
What? Rudy was the youngest one,
right? In real life, yeah.
No they they just in season 4 they just took her out the show
cause like you're getting too old or whatever ohh and she just
went missing. That's actually true, she just
stopped being around. Yeah, they should probably check
out what's going on in that basement cause something might
be happening now. Ohh.
My I was talking about family matters, whatever the youngest

(46:12):
one on that one. I remember what you talking
about. Now, Rudy, Yeah, yeah, No, Rudy
just, I don't know, became a lesbian, I guess.
And they were like, we're not going to talk about Rudy
anymore. So Malcolm Jamal Warner ended up
becoming Theo Huxtable. Let's go.
Every teenager in America could see themselves in him.
He was so cute. It's a weird way to say it, but

(46:32):
yeah, yeah. I didn't really see myself in
him. Oh yeah, you did?
Yeah, I did. He wasn't too cool, he wasn't
too square, he was just the right mix of awkward and
charming. He was such a cutie pie.
He was. He looked like just.
He looked just like my crush in the 7th grade, Marcus.
Oh so. Cute.
And then he would also, like, not be one of the, like,
typecast kind of asshole older brothers.

(46:55):
Like he was fun, yeah. He had like, he, he had like a,
like a good aura about him. Yeah.
He wasn't like, he wasn't just like, like a bad dude.
He was like obsessed with his looks.
Right. He's the son of a gyno man.
Yeah, son of a gyno. Son of a gyno man, yeah.
Like all of them. Oh boy.
Malcolm beat out thousands of kids in a nationwide search to
play Theo Suddenly he's in the biggest living room in America.

(47:19):
The The Huxtables weren't just asitcom family.
They were aspirational. They were an upper middle class
black family on primetime TV. Cliff was the doctor finger and
chicks in the basement. Well guy.
Very strange. I'm gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to go go do some double researching on this,
right? Tad Maybe that's where the wife
wanted it to happen. She's like, if you're gonna be

(47:40):
inside other women, it's gonna be right here in this house.
I'm gonna be surveilling that shit, right?
Yeah. Claire was a lawyer.
Theo was the kid who got mediocre grades and wanted to
date girls out of his league. That's us, baby.
Was Claire Claire Was Lisa Bonetright?
Yes, she was. No, Claire was the mom.
Oh, OK, Rashida. Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The role actually earned Malcolm

(48:03):
an Emmy nomination at 18 years old.
Screams at his motherfucker dad.Let's.
Go so cute. But being on the most popular
show in America had it's cursed.He was constantly reminded
you're you're Theo. And Malcolm wanted to scream.
I'm more than Theo. I'm more than Theo, damn it.
We'll just be the just Theo's like, you know?
I'm named after Malcolm X, goddamnit.

(48:24):
It is weird to see that in person.
I met. Now I'm blanking on his name.
Hold on. It's because you can't stop
thinking about him as the character that he is.
Yes, and I just made the mistakethat.
Every fucking person did. I met him and everyone's yelling
pee wee. Pee Wee Herman.
Oh my. God's name is Paul Rubens.
Paul. Rubens, Jesus Christ, I'm guilty

(48:46):
of the very thing I'm bitching about.
No, but OK, To be fair, the difference between Malcolm Jamal
and Paul Rubens is that Paul Rubens was a very intense, like
a character actor to the point where he took it and he what,
what's the word performance art?He made it like actual
performance art where he didn't break character on purpose.
He wanted the audience to be confused and actually think that

(49:07):
Pee Wee Herman was real. That's 100% right.
He would go on like late David Letterman or whatever as Pee
Wee. They wouldn't.
Let him not. They wouldn't let him be.
He wanted to. No, he wanted.
To they wouldn't let him be he. Was very into avant-garde
theater and loved being in, like, deep drag into characters
for, like, a little while. And then Pee Wee just kind of
like, took over his life. And then after, like, I think it

(49:29):
was like his second movie that he made, he was like, I want to
take credit for like, the being like the director of this movie.
Yeah. Then it said Paul Rubens.
And then no one had any idea whothat was, right?
So he still didn't get credit for it, even though it was, it
was, it was, it was actually named.
I didn't realize what a great actor he was until the movie
Blow. Oh yeah.
Oh, he was amazing. Hell yeah, I remember Blow.

(49:50):
Started in Weymouth, MA, yeah, where I went to high school.
Oh, it did. It did, yeah.
Another Kyle connection. Kyle.
Connection. There was one guy in the
comments today that said I was lying about everything I said I
was connected to. I don't.
Know why you would lie about that?
I don't know. It's just the most embarrassing
criminal facts he could possiblythink.

(50:11):
They're also so specific. Yeah, like you lie here.
Why would I? Why would he?
I don't. Know learn how to do the wrong
thing, the right. Way is the right way to do the
wrong thing. The wrong thing I love.
That Are you going to tell your kid that?
Yes. Yes.
Sure he already is, love. It by the 2000s, Malcolm had
fully reinvented himself. He wasn't Theo anymore.

(50:33):
I'm not Theo no more. That's.
Right. I'm Malcolm.
He was the mentor, the artist, the guy that young actors looked
up to. Hell yeah.
He landed recurring roles on Sons of Anarchy.
Ah. Yeah.
American Crime Story in The Resident.
He even snagged a Grammy in 2015for Best Traditional R&B
Performance with Robert Glasper and Lala Hathaway.

(50:55):
What? Didn't see any of that R&B
performance. CEO, Huxtable, Grammy winner.
Let's go. I did not realize that.
Malcolm Jamal Warner, that's. Right, that's.
Right. But he never sold out.
He gave interviews saying he didn't want fame for fame's
sake. He wanted art, He wanted to be
respected. He once said, quote, I've never

(51:15):
chased celebrity. I've chased meaning.
I could see that with him too, definitely in his whole, in
everything that he's portrayed. The Resident is a good show.
Yeah, I'm sure he was approachedto be on all those celebrity
shows. Yeah, all the reality.
Trash out there. Oh yeah, I'm sure.
It'll go on one or two. I mean, he was in an awesome
Doctor drama. Yeah, great.

(51:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna go on a reality show.
Fuck it, you should. Yeah.
Debbie's Big Buckets Debbie's Big Buckets.
It's their hit. New reality show coming to Hulu.
What's in offshoot Hulu? What's in them buckets?
What's in those buckets? TuneIn to find out.
Yeah. By 2025, Malcolm was living a
good life. He was married, he was a father.

(51:58):
He'd settled down. He spent more time surfing and
writing than chasing TV deals. Ohh I love that for him.
He was 54, still lean, still smiling.
Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous.
Very good looking guy. Yeah, on July 20th, 2025 he was
surfing off the coast of Costa Rica.
Ohh. No.

(52:19):
I don't want to be like, oh cliche, but don't exercise
maybe. Maybe nobody exercised ever.
That's not exercise. Well, it is exercise.
It's sporting. It's sporting.
OK, no sports. Locals say the RIP current that
day was vicious. One second he was riding the
waves, the next he was gone. They pulled him from the water,
but it was too late. The cause of death?

(52:39):
Drowning complicated by exhaustion from the current.
His family released a statement that broke hearts.
Quote. He was the light of our lives
and we will honor him by continuing to live with love and
purpose. Hollywood mourned.
Former cast mates called him thesoul of The Cosby Show.
Fans flooded social media with clips of Theo trying to con his

(52:59):
dad into giving him money or rapping badly at school dances.
But what struck people most was how Malcolm avoided every trap.
Child stardom. Typecasting scandal didn't
didn't have any of those problems.
It's true, he really never popped out with any of this
stuff. Yeah.
He wasn't with Drew Barrymore atthe club drinking when he was

(53:20):
like 10. Yeah.
Well, she was a pretty cool kid,but he was.
Well, she was OK. She she was addicted to cocaine
for at a very early age, right? Yeah.
Had to go to the club to solve that.
Yeah. That's where you go to solve
your cocaine problem. I think that's where she went to
get it, yeah. Maybe she was fire starter,
right? Yeah, I believe she's

(53:40):
Firestarter in that movie. Yes.
What movie? The movie Firestarter.
Oh, she's Firestarter in the movie Firestarter.
Oh, OK. Oh, yeah.
Oh. Yeah, they say.
Unknowingly. So RIP to Malcolm Jamal Warner.
So now we go from the shores of Costa Rica.
OK, back to the UK then. Oh wow, what an accent.

(54:04):
Well, back to. It then.
Yeah, very good, Kyle. John Michael Osborne was born.
Oh my God. John Michael Osborne.
Did you know his name wasn't Ozzy?
I did. I actually did fucking know
that. I fucking did My you know what?
That baby looks like an Aussie. It's.
Close 'cause it's because of hislast name, duh.

(54:25):
Yeah. Oh, Ozzy Oz.
Yeah, the Oz. Osborne, Ozzy.
Yeah, Ozzy. Yeah, I honestly didn't put that
together. You didn't put that together.
That's fantastic. Wow.
Well, he was born on December 3rd.
That's like the worst phone a friend ever on.
Yeah, don't call me. Who wants to be a millionaire?

(54:47):
Don't go you're you're going straight to the fucking gutter
if you call me on. What is Ozzy's last name?
Oz. Oz.
Oz. Mankian.
Oz, Mankian. Well, he was born December 3rd,
1948 in Aston, a working class neighborhood in Birmingham.
England. The family lived in a tiny 2

(55:07):
bedroom house with six kids crammed inside.
His father worked nights at a factory, his mother worked days.
Classic post war survival. Hard working family.
Young John, He was dyslexic, couldn't keep up in school and
he dropped out at age 15. I feel like a lot of kids
dropped out at that point. I.

(55:28):
Feel like listening to him talk that makes complete sense.
Sense tends to stammer. His words get all jumbled up.
Absolutely. By his own admission, he was a
bit thick, but had one thing going for him.
A voice. Yeah, he was a bit thick.
He had a dump chunk or like what?
Happened. Yeah, big old butt.
Or like a dumb. Yeah, he's thicky.

(55:48):
Thick in every way. He was fat or was he saying he's
slow? He was a thick boy.
All of the above. OK, he was fat early on.
He was a chunk. Yeah, yeah.
He was a bit of a chunker. You have to have a little meat
on the bone, yeah. If you're gonna survive all
those years of drug abuse. Exactly.
Gonna have some? Yeah.
Not just any voice, but a voice that could soar above walls of

(56:09):
distorted guitar, cut through chaos and sound both tortured
and triumphant. That's very true.
He has this weird thing. It's like a natural distortion
that it almost sounds like cognitive dissonance.
Like he, like he's like there's three voices in his mouth
singing at once. I've always thought that.

(56:29):
I love that. What's in that mouth?
Three different. Voices, Three voices, Maybe 3
voices, Three voices. Wow, rewind that tape.
Before Black Sabbath, Ozzy spenttime as a factory worker.
He actually was employed as a car horn tester.
Well, that's I could do that. Ozzy's not afraid of work.
For a parent, I don't. Think he liked it very much.

(56:50):
He has never been afraid of work.
This, this man, this guy was always like, he always stayed
pretty true to his like working classness.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know abouthonking all those car horns.
That doesn't sound like a very fun job to me.
He was so committed to the working class he even went to
prison. Oh good for him, he was a
burglar. Oh wow, at age 15 the guy who
would say I am Iron Man once gotcaught stealing clothes and did

(57:13):
six weeks in prison for it. Shoplifting, shoplifting.
That's a girl's crime. Yeah, and you don't want to get
detained by security because they do naughty stuff.
Yeah, they take all the lipstickyou stole.
And have sex with you. Oh, right.
I watched an interview with him and that's what they said.
What would you be doing if you weren't a musician?

(57:35):
He's like, I would be a burglar and they're.
Like oh, OK, nice. I think he could have been a
great burglar, He definitely could.
By the late 60s, Ozzy got it with a bunch of these guys and
created Black Sabbath together. They accidentally invented heavy
metal. That's.
Awesome. They started as a Blues band
called Earth. They did which?

(57:56):
Boom. Fuck you Earth.
No, I got to hear. I got to hear Earth.
Oh, I like that. Yeah.
It's really good. Yeah.
Earth, wind and fire. Yeah.
But they ended up seeing a line of horror movie fans gathered to
watch a movie at the theater, and they thought, why not make
music that sounds like a horror movie?

(58:17):
Oh my God, that's. Incredible.
I like that. What a great way to start
something. Cue the Thunder, the church
bells, the rifts slowed down to doom tempo.
Yes, Black Sabbath 1970 debut album was basically a seance on
vinyl. Mm hmm.
And it worked. The kids who felt alienated,
angry or just plain weird found a prophet in Ozzy.

(58:40):
I love that. I had that with the, you know,
Slipknot and Eminem and Limp Biscuit.
Oh. OK.
Well, lumping them in together, that's interesting.
The people that the people that kind of are, are resonating with
you in an angsty time of life when you want to do something
that's just very, you know, antiagainst grain.

(59:02):
Yeah, you're the outcast. Stands me.
Yeah. People equal shit.
So apparently the band Black Sabbath got their name from the
movie Black Sabbath. Oh shit, it was directed by
Mario Bava. Wow, Very, very famous.
Well, that's not very creative. Well, they just straight up took
it. Starred Boris Karloff.
Yeah, pretty awesome. He's a thief.

(59:23):
Over the next decade, Sabbath churned out classics.
Paranoid master of reality, Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath.
But behind the scenes, the band was a chemical circus as he was
drinking, snorting and smoking his way through the fame.
What? No, that's just hearsay.
There was one one thing I saw where he snorted in a line of
ants. Yes, yeah, yeah, he's also

(59:45):
licked piss off of the ground. He snorted the line of ants to
freak out Mötley Crüe. Oh yeah, I don't think they
could really hold up with them. Yeah, yeah, Mötley Crüe was
probably like, yeah, we gotta get out of here.
Yeah, this guy's fucking nuts. Although Mötley Crüe was fucking
crazy. What are their credit?
They were nuts. Oh yeah, throw a bunch of lamps

(01:00:06):
around in a hotel room. True, true.
Snort this line of ants. Yeah, that's very, very true.
Yeah. But you know, they were
injected. They they like injected Jack
Daniels for some stupid reason. They did dumb shit.
Nice. But you.
Know. Come on.
By 1979, Sabbath fired him for doing too many drugs, you know.
How bad you got to be? You believe Black Sabbath?

(01:00:28):
Fired from the crazy heavy metalband.
But it's also like, good luck. I went to go.
I went to go see Heaven and Hell, which is Black Sabbath
minus Ozzy, with James Dio as the front man.
It was pretty good. But he ain't no Ozzy.
No James Dio is very good though.
Enter Sharon Arden, daughter of infamous music manager Don

(01:00:49):
Arden. Yes, Sharon saw potential where
others saw a burned out addict. She managed Ozzy, guided him to
sobriety, soberish, It's good, and helped launch his solo
career. By 1980, Blizzard of Oz dropped
and with it Randy Rhodes, the classically trained guitarist.

(01:01:09):
Lightning fast playing gave Ozzy's voice a new playground.
Songs like Crazy train Mr. Crowley.
They cemented Ozzy as a solo superstar.
That's amazing. I heard that before I heard
Black Sabbath for. Sure, I did too.
Crazy Train was definitely one of the first things I've ever
heard. In 1982, tragedy struck.
Randy Rhodes died in a freak plane crash while on tour.

(01:01:31):
Oh God. They alleged him.
Yeah, it was his. It was a fan that did it.
No. Shit, yeah, it was so stupid.
It was the bus driver. The bus driver.
They ended up stealing a plane on the pretty much this guy was
like, OK, you can park your bus on my property.
And then they noticed that the guy had a fucking plane and they
were the guy who was driving thebus was like, hey, I'm high on

(01:01:54):
cocaine, let's go steal that plane.
And everyone was like, cool. Yeah, He thought he was gonna
really impress Ozzy, and Ozzy was like, I'm not gonna fucking
get in there. Yeah.
Holy SH yeah. And Randy Rhodes was like, yeah,
let's do it. Let's.
Go. He was like, alright, yeah, that
was a. Shit, way to die.
Yeah, the. Pilot was buzzing over the tour
bus for fun. He clipped the wing on the top
of the plane and sent the plane spiraling spiraling into a

(01:02:16):
mansion. Oh my God, he wasn't even in the
plane. Yes, he was.
How did he clip the plane? The pilot clipped the bus.
Sorry. Oh I thought, I thought the dude
was in the bus and clipped the plane.
No, he was in the plane and it got the bus and it went
spiraling into a mansion. Wow.
And that's also really sad too, because the guy who owned the
mansion was deaf and so they ranin to save him and he was inside

(01:02:39):
like, like, I don't know what's going on.
He. Couldn't hear shit.
What? A surprise Now that's a surprise
Ozzy, still haunted decades later, said it nearly broke him
of. Course, Yeah, absolutely.
That's absolutely insane. And to think he almost got on
the plane. Yeah, well, he was still
sleeping. That's why they thought it would
be funny to buzz right over the bus and.

(01:03:01):
Wake up. Holy shit.
Yeah. Well, it wasn't very funny, was
it, Steve? Doesn't seem funny.
But that, yeah, it's very traumatizing for Ozzie and
Sharon. They were both on the bus.
That's crazy. Despite the grief, Ozzie pressed
on. Partly because Sharon wouldn't
let him quit, and partly, partlyI.
Mean he was the he was the cash cow she was milking him it's.

(01:03:23):
Amazing. Or is she like saving him?
Yeah, she's doing both. Yeah, she's.
You know, making sure the bills are paid because let's be
honest, Ozzie was broke. The 1980s cemented Ozzie's myth.
There was the infamous bat incident in 1982 when a fan
threw a live bat on stage in DesMoines.
Ozzy thought it was rubber, bit the head off and immediately had

(01:03:44):
to be rushed to get rabies shots.
It was rubber and he was able tobite the head off.
That would have been amazing. It's.
Hilarious. Yeah.
Oh my God. It was also the Alamo incident
of 1982. So he really thought it.
So he thought it was rubber. Yeah.
That's that's, that's that. That's the saying.
How the legend goes, yeah. I don't think you would have

(01:04:05):
done it if it was a real bad. I think you can put your mouth
on it and feel that it's not rubber pretty quickly it.
Was a one kind of 1 swoop, yeah.Drugs and booze, yeah.
Yeah. But at the Alamo in 1982, he was
drunk out of his mind. He was wearing Sharon's dress
because she'd hidden his clothesto stop him from going out.
Classic. Ain't ain't gonna stop me.

(01:04:27):
Ozzy relieved himself on the Alamo in San Antonio.
Let's go. They were so mad at him.
He was arrested and banned from the city for a decade.
Oh my God. They were real.
Dramatic. They're serious about that,
Alamo. Why they lost?
I don't know. And it's also really tiny.
It's like. It's so small.
I don't get it but. Yeah, yeah.
No, it's really important for them out in San Antonio.

(01:04:49):
It is. It's all they.
Have it really is. They've got a beautiful downtown
area now. Cutest little thing ever.
Yeah, they love that fucking oldass building.
Yeah. This was the Aussie paradox.
He was both terrifying and lovable.
Yeah. There's something about him it's
like so I don't know. Almost grandpa ish.

(01:05:10):
Yes, forever and ever. Like like a like a silly uncle.
Yeah, you just think you can just like, roll him up and throw
him in the back of the chart, You know, just like throw him in
the back of the car and be like,come on, Ozzy.
Yeah, he's like, beautiful. You're a little goofball.
Yeah. Who's a goofball?
You're a goofball. Yeah, but the darkness was real.
Ozzy was arrested multiple timesfor substance abuse violence,

(01:05:31):
including an infamous incident in 1989 where he drunkenly tried
to strangle Sharon. Oh.
Years later, she revealed in hermemoir that the couple even had
a death pact. If one of them was terminally
ill, the other would pull the plug.
Yeah. Right.
That's right. But that's not how we died.
No, we we found that. Is.
Louisiana we had a little touch of.
Misinformation. On another podcast.

(01:05:54):
Well, that's romance, Osborne style.
Oh yeah. By the early 2000s, Ozzy's
career was waning. Enter MTV.
I would like that. I would like my MTV.
Yeah, The Osbournes debuted in 2002 and instantly became a
phenomenon. This shit was crazy.
I mean, it's, it was, it's great.

(01:06:16):
It was great. So good.
I loved it when it came. Out so much fun.
Yeah, I was. I was unsure when I first came
out. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, of course. He's like the coolest you'd ever
and then all of a sudden he's like pissing his pants and shit.
I don't know, I thought it was like so cool like this, like
this like rocker metal family where like the kids are cursing
right along with the parents. Yeah, parents aren't flipping
out. Coming from a family where like,

(01:06:38):
if I if I tell my mother, hey dude, she's gonna be like, what
the fuck did you just. Call me, you say, dude.
Did you say hey? Yeah.
Oh yeah. Get me going.
Yeah, no, my, I'm not allowed tosay anything that loose.
Yeah, that was, that was interesting.
It was just crazy to see the artifice, you know, sort of
pulled back. Right, right and then and then

(01:06:59):
when that and then when the showstarted her his teenage daughter
Kelly was very like, Oh my God, you bit you bit the pet off
about one time to 20 years ago. And my friends in high school
won't let me forget it. You know, he was like, I don't
know, it's. Basically, yeah.
The show showcased everything the messy, chaotic home life of

(01:07:20):
Ozzy, Sharon, Jack and Kelly. The show made Ozzy into a
household name for a new generation.
Suddenly, the Prince of Darknesswas America's favorite bumbling
dad who couldn't work the remote.
I know. It's so.
Great. To Ben's point, it is a very
far, almost seems like a fall, but it makes it more endearing.
It is, in hindsight, fucking. What am I doing?

(01:07:40):
What are they doing to my? They supposed.
To be the Prince of Darkness. He was the Prince of.
And he was because he couldn't turn the TV on to get right in
the room. Yeah.
I mean, it was a difficult time for the TV's.
I mean the remotes, you had like10 remotes just to turn the damn
thing on. Batteries go out.
Yeah, it was frustrating, sure. He'd be like you.
You need to have a fucking, you need to be rocket scientist to
work fucking television. And he wasn't wrong, it was

(01:08:01):
just, you know, just a differentlook into Aussie.
Amazing. A very different look into
Aussie and let's actually see that new look.
Uh huh. There was a.
Oh my God. A clip of Ozzy.
This is actually for the show The Osbournes.
He was a fan of drag and, you know, being funny, so he ended

(01:08:24):
up doing a sketch for the show as Miss Cleo.
It's fucking incredible. Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
Miss Cleo, call me now for your free reading.
The cars don't lie. I'm calling Miss Cleo.
Stop wasting my time. What's your question?
Your fool. Can you tell me if my boyfriend
is cheating on me? Oh sweetheart, you're an idiot

(01:08:44):
or something. If you don't think you stick
anything into someone else, you must be stupid.
Are you sure are? You stupid, I told you the car
don't lie. With the big tits, isn't it?
Oh no, honey, it's a boy next door with the big the car.
Don't. Lie.

(01:09:05):
Oh my God. Boy next door with the big lid,
yeah. Oh, it's so funny.
That is fantastic. I'm just in full get up just
doing like full. Drag.
It's really well done and. Yeah, he killed.
It really fantastic work. Yeah, in the 20 tens and twenty
20s, Ozzie battled Parkinson's disease in a string of health
scares, but he kept performing. He loved the stage, the fans,

(01:09:29):
and yes, the drag. He hasn't.
Never stopped performing, no. Ozzie often said he felt more
comfortable in costume, makeup and wigs than his own skin.
His final concert came in July 2025.
Fans knew it might be his last, and Ozzie gave him everything he
had, even if he had to be helpedon and off stage.
So he actually went up with the original cast and crew of Black

(01:09:51):
Sabbath for the last time. Oh that sounds so sad.
And I saw the pictures on Instagram.
Everyone was there. Every metal icon ever was there.
You didn't want to miss that show, I'll tell you that.
You don't want to miss that one.I'll tell you what.
So on July 22nd, 2025, Ozzy Osbourne died at his home in Los

(01:10:13):
Angeles from heart complications.
He was 76. Oh.
Man. But we did speculate on another
show that he might have. OK, bud.
Gone through yes on OK Bud that he may have had carried out the
death pact with Sharon but that is not the case.
No, we didn't. He didn't do.
It but he did not only was that written in, but he's also been

(01:10:35):
he can be found on an interview saying like, hey man, it's
really cool that they have like things out in Sweden where
you're gonna have like assisted death and you can just go
whenever you're ready And yeah, I don't want to fucking.
I don't want to be here, like fucking just like drooling all
over the place and not being on stage.
Rock out with my cock out until it's time to go.
Right. It's not something we just came
up with out of nowhere. Yeah.

(01:10:55):
No, there is. I mean, I'm, yeah, I agree.
Yeah. Yeah, well, RIP Ozzy and moving
on, we are going all the way to Florida, all right?
For the fall of the immortal Hulk Hogan.
Immortal. He was the immortal Hulk Hogan.
He was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But before he was the Hulk, he was Terry Bollea, which is.

(01:11:17):
That was real nice. Strong.
Very tough. Terry Bollea.
You better look out Terry Bollea's looking for you.
Terry. Terry.
Fuck about that sounds like I guess.
He's better sounds he's going tomake your sandwich all wrong.
God, Terry Bollea fucking doesn't know anything about
mortadella. He was born August 11th, 1953 in

(01:11:37):
Augusta, GA to a construction worker father and a homemaker
mother. The family moved to Tampa when
Terry was very young. And Tampa's you know, it's a
happening city. He wasn't.
Is it? I don't know.
It's. The city, I think it kind of,
you know, doe cheese from Tampa.OK.
Ybor City dude, they got chickens instead of pigeons.

(01:11:58):
It's fucking crazy and they havethe Tampa Bay shoe licker.
OK, guy. Selects people's shoes and he
got me. Now I know that, yeah.
He wasn't a wrestler at first. He was a guitarist, playing in
local bands that brushed up against rising stars like future
members of Lynyrd Skynyrd. Nice.
Terry wasn't built for the quietlife he was at one point before

(01:12:20):
the last years of his life he was about 6 foot 7 and nearly
300 lbs of straight muscle and steroids.
He. Was real buff.
Yeah, he looked like he had beendesigned in a lab to be hurled
into a wrestling ring. He was discovered in the mid 70s
by Jack and Gerald Briscoe, who introduced him to the Florida
wrestling circuit. By 1979 he debuted in the WWF

(01:12:44):
World Wrestling Federation, and by 1983, so within four years,
Vince McMahon had crowned him the face of the WWF.
Hogan wasn't just a wrestler, hewas a Saturday morning cartoon
that sweated. He really was.
He became the ultimate good guy.Eat your vitamins, say your
prayers. Fight for truth and justice,

(01:13:04):
brother. Oh, he was a good guy.
Oh, for the longest time, For the most part, he was.
In the ring, he was a good guy. Outside the ring, he was, you
know, pretty brutal. Well.
Yeah. He just seemed so aggressive and
everything he always said was always yelling.
So I couldn't as a young kid that really wasn't into, like,
wrestling, but I knew of him as an iconic character.

(01:13:26):
You couldn't really escape him. Yeah, back then.
No, you definitely could. He was.
Just always yelling and muscularand I was like, Nah, I don't
know what he was doing. Yeah, Very Tampa.
He's very Tampa. Yeah.
Hulkamania ran wild in the 80s, bringing wrestling from Smokey
arenas to global arenas. He headlined the first
WrestleMania in 1985, famously body slam Andre the Giant at

(01:13:48):
WrestleMania 3 in 1987, and turned the WWF into pop culture
gold. I do remember that fight that
was. Famous.
That was a big one, yeah. Yeah.
The actual match sucks. They just kind of hug each
other. They do bear hugs quite a bit.
Yeah. And then he had slammed him a
bunch of times before, but they just sort of said that that
never happened. And then he slammed him for
WrestleMania 3. But at that point, Andre could

(01:14:10):
couldn't really move very well. Yeah, sadly.
Here's another Kyle connection. I actually wrestled in that
fucking ring. What?
Because it was in Boston, MA, where I fucking wrestled.
Okay. Who did you wrestle?
I wrestled other people in like the independent Boston circuit.
What was your name? In Malden, MA for Killer
Kowalski's. Club, what was your name?

(01:14:33):
I had a few different names. One of the one that they wanted
me to use was the whole Effing show Steve Rolo, which kind of
sucks because RVD was already the whole effing show.
Yeah, but you're the whole effing show.
Steve Rolo. Yeah, the whole effing of Steve
Rolo. Steve Rolo.
Yeah, up against Andre the person.
Oh, very good. Andre the person.
A much smaller version. Yeah, I think Steve Rolo's got a

(01:14:55):
good chance, yeah. Hulk Hogan wasn't just on TV, he
was TV. He was on shows.
He was in movies like Serving Suburban Commando and Mr. Nanny,
and he was like Earnest where hewas just in a million
commercials. All the time.
I mean he was like nothing but personality.
Yeah, by the early 90s, Hogan's aura was dimming.

(01:15:17):
Steroid scandals rocked the WWF,with Hogan admitting he actually
used them. His career was fizzling out and
by 94 he jumped ship to WCW, reinventing himself as Hollywood
Hogan, the villain leader of theNew World Order.
He helped spark wrestling's mostprofitable era, the Monday Night
Wars. Yeah, it took a little while.

(01:15:37):
Obviously Kevin Nash and and Scott Holm, when they came over,
they didn't have a third partner.
And then he was the 3rd partner and it was a huge heel turn,
Yeah, when he became a bad guy because he had been good for so
long and. Then people had to choose where
you're going to support Monday Night Nitro.
Are you going to watch WWE Monday Night Raw right.
Often times you just jump back and forth.

(01:15:57):
Well, Nitro. One I say like probably just
went back and forth you. Know Nitro one for a year for
about what was like 80 weeks or something but then WWE came back
and continues to win today. Yeah, he also had a reality
show. These are like the top two guys
for early reality TV shows. Yeah, he had Hogan Knows Best,

(01:16:17):
which was supposed to be a softer, Osbourne style look at a
wrestling dad, which, you know, helped become his public
unraveling in some ways. Yeah.
His son Nick, he was involved ina near fatal car crash.
Lawsuits mounted. The veneer of the superhero dad
was cracking. And then there.
Was his daughter too right? Brooke.
Yeah, Brooke Hogan. Brooke Hogan.

(01:16:38):
She's great. She's still, she's still great.
Yeah, she never. I feel like she never had any
problems. She was a singer for a little
while. I'm not sure if she still wants
to do entertainment or not. I don't know what her deal is.
Right. She's in Nashville right now.
Oh, nice. Yeah, just living her life.
Good for her. And then came a scandal that
would define him later in his life.
And then the late 2000s, Hogan was secretly recorded sleeping

(01:17:00):
with Heather Klem, the wife of his best friend.
Ohh wow, they were all in on it.Shock jock Bubba the Love
Sponge. Oh, you think this is a whole
thing? What are you talking?
About we're all in on. Yeah, well, he knew everyone
knew they were, they were going to.
They were. Bubba Lovestone would give his
wife up to a lot of people. Yeah, oh, but this is what
happened after Gawker ended up getting ahold of the clips.

(01:17:23):
And they published the tape in 2012, right?
Wow. And the world got a very
different look at Hulk Hogan. It wasn't just about sex.
It was also, you know, pretty racist shit he was saying.
Well, it was just, yeah, Brooke Hogan had called and then it was
her song that played when she called and then he found out she
was fucking a black guy. Then he said the N word a bunch.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that was and. He said if he was going to deal

(01:17:44):
with an N word, he was wanted todeal with a rich one.
OK, but and this was all in a sex tape.
It was both sex tape. Oh.
My God. It's like he's talking about his
feelings on race relations and fucking his best friend's wife.
Yeah, all at the same time, but he didn't know he was on camera,
I guess. Or he maybe he did know he was
on camera, but it. He didn't.
He didn't know. As far as, you know, what's been

(01:18:07):
publicly released, he didn't know that it existed.
And then, yeah, leaked audio from the tape.
Hogan used racist, racist slurs that torched his reputation
overnight. WWE cut ties.
Fans recoiled. The man who preached about
prayers and vitamins was exposedas hypocritical.
Yeah, that's yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah.

(01:18:28):
But there's a twist. Instead of ending Hogan's
career, the tape ended gawker.com.
Yeah, there's a great documentary on this.
There's there was secret fundingfrom billionaire Peter Thiel,
who had his own grudge against the site.
So Hogan and him teamed up, and they sued Gawker into
bankruptcy, winning a $140 million lawsuit.

(01:18:49):
Meaning Gawker being the the being the what exposed him.
Yeah. So essentially, Hulk Hogan's
going through a divorce. His best friend, Bubba the Love
Sponge, he's a radio DJ. He's like, oh, you're sad.
You want to fuck my wife to not be sad.
And so they bang. The whole thing's been recorded.
Someone eventually breaks into Bubba the Love Sponge's office,

(01:19:12):
finds the DVD with this whole tape on it, sells it to Gawker
illegally. Gawker without, you know, any
vetting whatsoever. Post it.
Pretty much trying to ruin his life.
And then Peter Thiel's like, hey, they like came out and said
I'm gay and I want to fucking destroy them.
Yeah. And they did.
So they ended up winning a fuck ton of money.
And yeah, the site is no more. Yeah, you don't hear about it

(01:19:37):
anymore. Yeah, I'm fine.
I don't really like Conker. It's a whole like First
Amendment thing, though. It's quite interesting.
Check out the documentary on that.
Yeah, it. Will Hogan spent his later years
trying for redemption. WWE cautiously brought him back
in 2018 as a Hall of Fame figure.
He made occasional appearances but never regained.
His old glow, Well don't forget the match he had with the Rock.

(01:19:57):
He had a great match with the Rock.
He did, yeah. One of the best in the Rocks
career WrestleMania and he also wrestled Shawn Michaels.
He had a pretty good run there towards the end.
WrestleMania 1819, somewhere around there.
Fans remembered him a lot for his scandal in those times, but
still, Hogan was trying to survive.
He had multiple back surgeries, a public divorce, the

(01:20:17):
humiliation of a sex tape. He kept finding ways to
resurface, sell merchandise, open restaurants and show up at
conventions where fans still would line up to take photos
with the man who symbolized their childhood.
And his wife was crazy. Yeah, Linda.
What? Yeah, Linda's nuts.
Yeah, she had a lot of plastic surgery, too.
Well, she ended up banging like a 17 year old or something like

(01:20:39):
that. It was really wild, all these.
Yeah, all these thirsty Hollywood wives end up like
fucking their son's friends. Yeah, it was very bizarre.
So strange. Yeah.
His last major public moment wasa surprise appearance at
WrestleMania 40 in 2024, where he cut one final promo to
thunderous applause, which didn't happen in LA.
His last appearance in LA, he was coming out to talk about his

(01:21:02):
real American Brewing Company and everyone just went.
Yeah, they all booed him. They were all they were unhappy
to see him there. He was very upset about it.
Jimmy Hart came out and said that yeah, that broke his heart.
Yeah, but what are you going to do behind the scenes?
Hogan was frail. On July 24th, 2025, Hogan died
at his Clearwater, FL home from complications after surgery.

(01:21:25):
Wow. So what actually happened he
needed they were refusing 2 of his spine vertebrae together but
instead of going through the back they got to go through the
front. So they move your trachea over
and literally like go all the way to your spine through.
Oh my. God they they fucked it up so
bad that for months he was just in like disarray.

(01:21:48):
Bubba the Love sponge was actually on his YouTube channel
telling everyone that he was going to die any minute and for
like 2 months everyone's like you're a fucking liar, you're a
piece of shit. Turned out he was telling the
truth the whole time because actual wrestlers were going to
visit him and saying goodbye. Wow.
Oh my God, that's so sad. Yeah, so that was the last time

(01:22:09):
that Hulk, that Hulk Hogan couldnot kick out.
Oh, wow, there you go. Yeah.
No, kick out the 123 of death. Yeah.
Put it like that. RIP to Hulk Hogan and everyone.
We have honorable mentions for Chuck Mangione, A lugelhorn
player who also died. Tom Lehrer, Alfie Wise, Connie
Francis, Ryan Sandberg, Joanna Carl Carson, who was the third

(01:22:33):
wife of Johnny Carson, Bud Carr and Alan Aboodable.
Yeah, a bootable. A bootable.
Yeah, all. Right.
Yeah, what a a month. July 2025.
Was yeah, it was totally hell. Well, hopefully less people die
in this month of August. Well, we're already on the way.
Some people already have died. Yep.

(01:22:53):
And we will be covering that in September.
All right. Well, thank you all so much for
listening and. Until next week, guys.
Don't go dying on us. Hail yourself.
Bye. Bye.

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