YouTubers of Death 2: When Creators Become Destroyers (Episode 156)

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And now on with the show.
It's another round of DeadlyYouTube Stars today on Death in
Entertainment.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Live from Los Angeles 911,.
What is your emergency?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Here in Hollywood now Two counts of murder Injury and
death.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh, my God, shocking new details that has stunned the
entertainment world.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Just like in the movies.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
What do you call this thing anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Death In entertainment Greetings Ditto
Universe.
Hello there, how the heck areyou?
What's going on?
Everybody?
My name's Kyle Ploof.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm Ben Kissel and I'm Alejandro Dowling.
Thank you all so much forlistening to Death Entertainment
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Oh, my god.
Youtube.
You know what it is, maybeyou've been on it, but
thankfully, or hopefully, you'renot a YouTuber of death.
Bum, bum, bum.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Volume two YouTubers keep either dying or killing
people.
Mm-hmm.
Before we get into it, we justgot to warn you.
We are a true crime comedypodcast, so there will be some
laughs, right.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Yeah, so if that's not your thing, go watch some
cute cat videos.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Hey, cats will rip your face off and eat your
testicles.
Yes, Also, they're notmurderers.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
They're content creators, Right and with that,
let's get into it Okay, chapterone this is a man named Tor

(02:40):
Ekoff Whoa buddy, what'd youcall me?
And he was born on November22nd 1964, in Kristiansand,
norway, online.
He was known as ApertureBecause he had a fascination
with evolutionary biology,particularly the similarities

(03:00):
between apes and humans, not theway we eat bananas, I think,
the way that we do everythinglike walk talk.
He just viewed himself as a bigape, okay, and he liked to play
around, make people laugh,doing ape stuff.
Yeah actually what's an apething, you know?

(03:21):
Like dangling your arms andgoing like, oh, oh, oh, yeah,
being all funny.
Uh-huh, okay, he did the normalhuman stuff, like getting a
degree from the university, wow.
And he eventually realizednormal society wasn't for him.
He was more into the ape thing,yeah.

(03:41):
So then he moved with hispartner, tova and their son to a
cabin in the woods.
Uh-oh, his day job was workingat a paint factory.
Ah, he was huffing paint allday, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Takes a toll.
I knew a dude who worked in bigweed and he loved weed but he
got the job at the factorybecame allergic to it.
Oh wow, that's sad.
He would break out into hivesbecause too much weed in the air
.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
No kidding, that can cause you to become allergic.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's like a lot, it's a whole thing, wow.
You have to wear masks and shit.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
So then, how is Tommy Chong still alive?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, he's pouted magic Johnson beat AIDS.
We don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
True, so the paint factory might have been a little
boring yeah, it's a paintfactory, and living in the
countryside, kind of quiet.
He wanted a little more, alittle more excitement, yeah.
So he created a YouTube channel, wow, in fall 2006.

(04:42):
Okay, and he uploaded his veryfirst video, titled In my Boat.
And do you have any guesseswhat this video was?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
about Michael Myers from, or Mike Myers from, the
1991 SNL sketch where hepretends to be a spastic boy
tied to a playset.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
You're close.
It's a video of him driving hisboat.
Oh, oh, that's it it's cool.
Nobody cared.
Yeah, what not?
That many people watched it.
Why not, you know, becauseyoutube was new at that time.
That's the reason, not, yeah,not.
A lot of people were tuning in.

(05:22):
In general, you know, the firstvideo ever was someone going to
the zoo On YouTube.
Yeah, oh, wow, it was verymundane, interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, so in my boat.
And then it is indeed him inhis boat.
It is, yes, it's not an SNLsketch.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
Gotcha.
And do you guys know the firstYouTuber to reach a million
subscribers?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, Fred, oh my God, you and do you guys know the
first youtuber to reach amillion subscribers?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
no fred.
Oh my god, I forgot about fred.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't know fred.
Oh my god, good, keep it thatway I once watched a three-hour
video about fred.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh my god, his name was just fred yeah, he's like
this little kid.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
he went, had a bunch of direct-to-DVD movies.
It was awful, oh right.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Kyle, you've seen them all.
Can you legally obtain these?
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Okay.
So because the boat videodidn't drive a lot of excitement
, he realized he had to up theante and make more waves.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right, yeah, he's going to paint the town ape,
mm-hmm, he's going to go realnuts here, so he decided to
start ice skating.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, and then At any point does this get interesting
?

Speaker 7 (06:42):
And then bathing himself in ice water so he would
go out onto the lake and thenjump in the water, nice, in the
freezing cold, great.
And what were these called?
Um, well, it was part of hisseries called on thin ice, not
even doing this, and hisbreakthrough video was called On

(07:06):
Thin Sea Ice 2.
So not the first one, wow, butthe sequel Wow To On Thin Sea
Ice.
This is the one that brokethrough.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's interesting.
So almost like how Evil Dead 2is better than Evil Dead 1
because it was Evil Dead 1 witha budget.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Yes, this is the Terminator 2 of thin ice videos
Also.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Ouija is one of the few horror franchises where the
second is better than the firstas well.
That had a sequel, yes, and itwas totally non sequitur, wow.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
Okay, let's take a look at some of On Thin Sea Ice
2.
Skating around, not a care inthe world.
I like the ASMR aspect of it.
Before that was popular too.
He doesn't really talk in anyof these movies.

(07:59):
Which adds to its internationalappeal.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, he's definitely skating.
Oh, now he's shirtless,pantsless, and he jumped in.
Wow, he's continuing to diveinto the cold, frigid water,
almost like a Loch Ness monster,and he kind of wails himself
out of the water, sort of like astruggling.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
He's like humping the ice.
Yeah seal he's making.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yeah, seal, exactly that's what he's doing there and
he makes seal noises.
Oh, he gets some snot there.
Yeah, you get a little snotrocket.
I want to get to one of hisseal noises.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well then he's swimming with the skates on,
yeah, which is seeminglydangerous.
Yeah, you think?
I would think so.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
I think jumping in the freezing cold water could be
dangerous too.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes, he's kind of got a.
This is what Bert Kreischer wasgoing to be doing, and he's
chugging vodka.
I think this is what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
There it is.
See, you got two animals here.
You got him making the sealnoises and then acting like an
ape at the end.
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Although you don't see apes often near the sea,
well, he's the ape of the seaInteresting.
Okay, so that went viral.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
Yes, a million views in a week Wow, how's that?
Pretty good.
So he went from being isolatedat his cabin to being the
coolest new YouTube sensation of2011.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
2011, all right.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
His clips were being shared all over social media.
The views were climbing onYouTube and then the clips were
being shared all over socialmedia.
The views were climbing onYouTube, and then the clips were
also being passed around on TVon major Norwegian networks Whoa
.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Like Klagenflurken, klagenflurken, klagenflurken.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Oh my God, he got on Klagenflurken.
Klagenflurken is my favoriteshow.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh, klagenflurken on Klagen Flarkin is one of the
bigger shows, yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
He was popular in Poland.
Wow, polish people loved him,and we love the Polish people.
Yes, we do so.
As you can tell, his humor isvery absurdist.
They called him the Mr Bean ofNorway, that's a bit of an
overstatement.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Rowan Atkinson is one of the greatest actors of a
generation.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
This man is pretending to be a seal cutting
his nipples on sea ice, but okay.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
They called him that I didn't.
And he also had mediaappearances in Australia and the
United States Wow, appearancesin Australia and the United
States, wow.
Later on he appeared in theNorwegian movie Long Flat Balls
3.
That's not a porno.
I hope not.
It's a romantic comedy, kind ofa sports movie to soccer

(10:58):
players.
Yeah, I think that's where theballs come in.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh, I see it's not about testicles.
No, gotcha Long flat balls,yeah, we.
I see it's not about testicles.
No, no, no, got you Long flatballs, yeah, we'll have to add
that to the watch list,absolutely.
By the way, I watched Jack andJill Fantastic.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Was that your?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
first time.
Yes, it's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
Oh yeah, I did not hype it up, did I?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
No, not at all, as a who undersold it.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Did you like that cameo from Jared.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes he's all over the movie All over, kids too.
Yeah, Subway Jared yes, Can'tever trust a Jared.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Let's get back to a happier story here.
So this also invited debate waswhat he was doing?
Dangerous because he did have anear-death experience early on.
So after that he was doingdangerous.
Yeah, because he did have anear-death experience early on,
so after that, he was In hislife or his YouTube career.
Youtube career oh wow, In 2007.

(11:53):
Mm.
So after that he would practicegetting in and out of the water
more efficiently and safely.
Good, Really smart.
Yeah, this was snow laughingmatter.
Oh boy, let's watch this clip.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm not giving you any of it From the Discovery
Channel, where the doctors aretalking about him.
He has got that.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I'm invincible feeling from being completely
wasted.
He's clearly gone through athird of a bottle of vodka by
the time we see him diving intothe ice.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
Alcohol dilates the blood vessels that are in the
skin and it directs a lot ofblood to the skin.
So it gives you that sort ofwarm feeling.
But be warned, it is just afeeling.
In reality, though, thatdoesn't really keep you from
freezing.
If more of the blood thinkabout it is directed to your
skin, it's exposed to the icywater faster, and so you're

(12:46):
going to cool down a lot faster.
The biggest risk is hypothermia.
Your body will start to shutdown a little bit, you can lose
feeling in your extremities andyou can lose consciousness.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, folks, diving into icy water whilst tanked up
on vodka is not a good idea, sodon't try it at home.
Whatever you say, nerds, yeah,so don't try it at home.
Whatever you say, nerds, yeah,you don't try it at home, you
try it outside.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That just reminds me of growing up in Wisconsin.
Yeah, but it is cold.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Yeah, and I don't like that.
Well, yeah, I guess that warmthis fake though.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, they call it the old winter, the inside
sweater.
Yeah, drinking a little whiskeyin the winter time, yeah, it
does make you feel warm.
I don't like they're like, it'sjust a feeling.
I'm like, yeah, that's thewhole point.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, that is the point right, as long as you
don't stay out all day andyou'll be fine well, that has
happened in wisconsin too.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Yes, it has.
There's been people found intheir ice shanties the next day.
So, yeah, a lot of his videosshowed them, you know, appearing
to chug the bottles of vodka,but he said he was just taking
little sips.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I mean yeah, consecutively, which is called a
chug.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
And that actually he would use the same bottle over
multiple videos, okay, and thatthat was the only time he drank.
Ah, he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I only drink on camera, only on camera, exactly.
Yeah, he wanted to.
I only drink on camera, only oncamera, exactly.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
He wanted to stop those rumors from circulating
and of course, he didn't endorsehis activities either.
For anyone to try at home yeah,I don't know who, would but
sure.
No, there were comments thatsaid hey, I started jumping in
ice water after watching yourvideos too.
I only do it on January 1st ofevery year if I started jumping
in ice water after watching yourvideos too.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I only do it on January 1st of every year if I'm
home in Boston.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
The Polar Plunge yeah .

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I did it this year too, Did you really?
Yeah, me and my mom did it.
I posted it.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Oh, I didn't see that .

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'll post it for everyone.
I'll post it on my thing again.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
And you survived.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I'm here.
I think that's awesome.
Do you see her nipples?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
My mom's?
Yeah, were they, I don't know.
All right, if I saw that Iwould just stay in the water and
killed myself.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
All right, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
His most viewed video of all time is called the First
Snow Four.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
The first, it's the fourth, yeah, so Ben, this is
the fourth installment of thefirst Snow series.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
Okay, in case you're I am confused.
Yes, let's take a look at this.
What is that?
Viking Fjord?
The brand, yes, the vodka.
That's always his brand and hedid not have any official
endorsement.
Wow, Once again he's walkingonly in his brand and he did not
have any official endorsement.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Wow, once again he's walking only in his underwear,
swimming on a tub.

Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, there's a bathtub outside.
Yes, it's completely frozen.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He's making an ice soup to jump into.
Oh, he's making an ice soup tojump into.
Oh, this video I saw goingaround.

Speaker 7 (15:52):
You did.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
Drinking his vodka again.
That's two bottles, no, butlook, look, really that looks
like a fake gulp.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't know.
Everything seems to be prettyreal.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
Although I don't know how you're outside in the
freezing cold like that, becausehe's hammered no better than a
bottle of vodka is in your handand you're not chugging it.
Yeah right, that would be hardto resist.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Is somebody filming him?
Great question.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, he sets it all up .

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Yep, no one was ever with him when he filmed these.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So it must have taken some time for all the different
angles, yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
So there's a lot of POV, a lot of static shot setups
.
And he improved his qualityover time.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
How Swat a good camera.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
And you know what is it?
The Malcolm Gladwell 10,000hours thing.
That's what that was about.
Yeah.
So yeah, as you can see, heseemed to find joy in jumping in
this cold water.
Sometimes he would scrapehimself, though.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I could see that there are videos.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
He would get injured, have blood.
He even introduced a chainsawat one point to make the videos
more exciting, where he wouldcut through the ice.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
With a chainsaw, yes, and then jump in no clothes on.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Yep.
As for his injuries, he saidthat's just the frost of doing
business Nice.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh, clever guy, he said that or you said that.
Did the Badger Herald say that?

Speaker 7 (17:24):
I guess I said that, or you said that.
Did the Badger Herald say that?
I guess I said that.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, instead of the cost of business Something cold.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
In 2018, he had a brush with death With a comb.
Apator announced that he hadcolorectal cancer Stemming from
Chronic inflammatory Boweldisease and not from any of the
activities that he did onYouTube.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So he underwent surgery andwore a colostomy bag.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Fantastic.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
And he filled that up on the daily.
I'm sure he did yes.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
With his piss and his face.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
But I have great news what the cancer went into
remission?
Wow, nice.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean honestly taking an ice bath.
It may help, yeah, stopping thecancer's spread.
It certainly helps withinflammation.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
There you go.
I have a question then Is heinvincible?
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, of course.
That's why we're talking abouthim on a death podcast.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
Yeah, no way he's dead, or was his mortality on
thin ice?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Hey, yes, very good.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
On November 22nd 2021 , he uploaded a video for his
birthday titled I am not dead.
I am 57 today.
Oh, good for him, and why don'twe watch some of this?
Notably, there's no snow yet.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Right the water that he is in is filthy.
That means happy birthday, andhe's painted the numbers 5-7 on
his head for 57.
Yeah, he's got clothes on.
Wow and a tie.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
And a jacket.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
And some more vodka, oh thank God, it was without the
vodka Scala.
Is he going to?
Oh, he's.
It was without the vodka Skal.
Is he going to?
Oh, he's kissing a tree.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
You can see the Mr Bean comparison here.
I think, In a total loosenonsense way.
Now he's got a plastic bag overhis head and he's drinking
vodka through said plastic bag,which is vodka boarding himself.
I'd like to remind you boththat he was internationally
famous.
Wow, people loved this guy andhis content.

(19:58):
You are watching something thatentertained millions.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Absolutely.
I've seen some of his videos.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh, he's pretending to be an elk.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
This is very highbrow .

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Transition to elk-a-tour.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
And he's smoking a be an elk.
This is very highbrow.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Transition to elk-a-tore and he's smoking a
cigarette.
I'm not seeing the ape so much,it's really just the filthiness
of the tub water that's turningme off a little bit, don't
drink it.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
I'm kind of bummed to see him smoking a cigarette
after surviving cancer.
It was butt cancer.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, still he he wasn't butt chugging the
cigarette you gotta take care ofyourself I don't think he cared
and each other.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, I don't think he cares.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
Thank you, mr springer four days after posting
that video.
He was recording a video atjacobs dam, Kongsberg, Norway,
November 26, 2021.
At one point, he fell throughthe ice and was trapped below
the surface.
Oh shit.

(21:00):
While drowning, he screamed forhelp.
Horrified onlookers calledpolice.
Then divers were sent down torescue him.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
By the time divers have their gear on, you're dead.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
They pulled him out of the water and he was
airlifted to the closesthospital, but efforts to save
him were in vain and he waspronounced dead the next day
because he had been exposed tothe freezing water for too long.
He was 57 years.
Cold to the freezing water fortoo long yeah, he was 57 years

(21:31):
cold.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh boy, very good, very good.
So that was four days.
The video we just saw was fourdays before his death.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
Yes, wow, and that's the last video on his channel.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, he seemed to enjoy life, yeah, in his own
unique way.
And he got fame and he got hisvodka and he got to be cold,
which apparently he liked yeah,he loved.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, it is crazy too for them saying that he was in
the water for too long.
Sometimes it's actually abenefit to be in cold water and
it actually preserves you for alittle bit longer.
There's been people who died intheir cars and went into a
ravine in the middle of an icyriver and they ended up
surviving because of the cold,it was said.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
That's interesting.
Not in his case.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
No, definitely not.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
His girlfriend, tova, wrote about his death on
Facebook in a sort of letter tohim.
Okay, quote my dearest Tor,friday the 26th November was
just a regular Friday.
You went to a water nearKonigsberg and you looked
forward to skating.
You should also film a littlewhich you should use in a video
on YouTube.

(22:35):
You messaged me when youarrived with pictures of
yourself and the water.
Nice relationship, you wrote,but something went horribly
wrong.
You ended up in the ice waterand this time you didn't get
back up Like you did so manytimes before.
In the end, you were picked upby divers and sent by air
ambulance to olival hospital.

(22:58):
They did everything they couldto bring you back to life, but
you had been underwater for toolong.
On saturday night, john and Iwere with you when the doctors
in the hospital turned off allthe machines that kept your body
going.
wow, very sad yeah, so they didleave behind a son too, remember
oh yeah, and he had agirlfriend this whole time,

(23:19):
uh-huh, and he worked at thepaint factory the whole time.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Wow, yeah he was still at the paint factory at
least until he had cancer.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
And he didn't ever make money from his channel.
He didn't Very little, just tomaintain it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
For the love of the game, baby.
Exactly, I love this guy.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
And currently his YouTube channel is frozen in
time with 1.4 millionsubscribers.
Good for him.
So all I have to say isApator-i-s-p.
Very good, very good very punnyindeed.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
All right, apator, I'm gonna have to check out his
channel.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Chapter two I didn't realize that South Korean live
streaming was this cutthroat.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Really Absolutely.
I know about that yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Who knew that South Korean live streaming could get
as crazy as American hip hop inthe 90s?
Whoa, this is like the Tupacand Biggie story of South Korea.
They walk around and streamtheir daily lives, which I don't
understand.
How that's content.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Anything is content.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
Wait, streaming your daily life, yeah, isn't that one
of the more common, yeahsubjects on youtube?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
it is but I'm like, who the fuck?
Who cares?

Speaker 7 (24:53):
I'm a vlogger yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, it is interesting when you watch
something from like 20 years ago.
Yeah, because then you see like, oh, that's what life was like
that.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's true, I remember that yeah, uh, these
two men are only identifiedthrough court documents in busan
.
They're known as joe and hongand joe and hong.
They were actually two goodfriends before they became
content creators years beforethey were content creators.
You know, it's joe and hong'sexcellent adventure.
They're just freaking, hangingout, yeah, and they're just out

(25:21):
there living life before theygot into the wild world of live
streaming and gaming.
So, like I said, they're thekind of guys that would just
like walk around and show theirday-to-day life.
One of the videos that I sawwas just of this guy standing
outside smoking a cigarette,waiting for the bus, okay, and
then like it.
He's got thousands of peoplewatching that slice of life.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
Exactly, I think people like to see what's going
on in other parts of the worldthat's that's a good point and
all its simplicity, it's stillsomething new.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, if you were that I mean, obviously this is
south korea, but I just watchedan entire thing on north korea
and it's very boring, but it'sfascinating, right.
Nothing's going on really, butyou just get to see behind the
curtain, yeah and same withanything nostalgic.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
I watched videos from this channel where they just
have a bunch of B-roll from likeStaples or movie theaters from
1988, 1991.
And I'll just watch it.
It's very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Absolutely.
Yeah, one of the guys Hong hadoverheard that Joe made some not
so nice comments on one of hisstreams about his girlfriend
Whoa and this started a you'llsay about my girlfriend nice
that started a tupac and biggietype war.

(26:41):
Wow, yeah, these guys went backand forth like cats and dogs
putting out diss track or dissvideo after diss video, just
like tupac, diss bad boy as astaff record label and as a
motherfucking crew.
Yeah, and they ended up likeassaulting each other.
And in real life, yeah, goingto court.
For I think, oh, there were 300open cases against each other

(27:03):
that they just kept opening totry to extort each other through
the gun.
That's a lot Judicial systemand small claims and all that.
So they were going back andforth to court for years.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
They would call those frivolous lawsuits.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Very frivolous.
I'm surprised they allowed themto have that many open cases.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I think they just need to kiss.
Yeah, they should.
Things were escalating, like Isaid, they ended up assaulting
each other and it was getting toa point where one of the cases
against hong was gonna cripplehim financially and it actually
had the chance of going through.
So they right here the videothat I saw of that dude smoking
a cigarette waiting for the bus.
that was his last video everokay so he was just waiting to

(27:45):
go to court and he was takingthe bus at 8 am for a 9 am court
date and then he just decidedto stop vlogging yeah, so he
took, he took you can't take theuh camera with you, I guess
inside it and film, I wouldguess, even in south korea, uh,
inside of a courthouse.
so he was, you know, done forthe day and was probably going

(28:06):
to pick it up later after thecourt hearing.
But there was another livestreamer, his name was Hong and
he had a live stream going ofoutside the courthouse.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
His friend Hong.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yes, and they say.
In a chilling incident that hasshaken the YouTube community,
the coastal city of Busan, southKorea, witnessed a tragic event
that left thousands offollowers in dismay.
The rivalry between twoprominent Korean YouTubers
culminated in an unprecedentedact of violence, resulting in
the death of one of them afterallegedly being stabbed by his
rival during a live streamoutside the courthouse.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Wow, there's a lot of evidence there.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
This dude live streamed himself killing his
rival.
Okay.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
And what year was this?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
This was May 9th 2024 .

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Because there's something about the younger
generations where they don'tmind live streaming their crimes
yeah it's like they wantattention absolutely, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
The deceased, known on the platform as jodel tv, was
approximately 50 years old andhe had appeared at the
courthouse on May 9th 2024 as avictim in a damages case seeking
severe punishment for hisnemesis, which was Hong, and.
Reports indicate that bothYouTubers have been embroiled in
bitter legal disputes for overthree years, accusing each other
of assaults and defamation.

(29:22):
The fateful day unfolded asJodlTV was live streaming on his
YouTube channel discussing thecase with his followers.
In an unexpected turn of events, his alleged rival approached
him from behind and, to theshock of viewers, began
ruthlessly stabbing him.
Despite attempts to save hislife, jodl was found in cardiac
arrest and rushed to a hospital,where he was later pronounced
dead.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
So he was alive after the stabbing.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah Well, that's the thing about stabbings.
You're still alive for a whilejust going.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Ow, yeah, could have done without that.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
So it is brutal and it just got resolved late last
year, november 21st 2024.
A 56-year-old YouTuber whokilled another YouTuber was
sentenced to a lifetime inprison on Wednesday, after which
he shouted Thank you, you.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
for unexplained reasons, he was that old, yeah,
56 and 50.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Old people shouldn't be vlogging, yeah because I just
said, these younger generationsyeah, these are.
This is not young.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
A younger platform, but certainly not.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Holy crap.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Young participants.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
They are far too old for these shenanigans 106 years
between them?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, I don't know, they're far too old for these
shenanigans.
106 years between them?
Yeah, almighty.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, busan District Court found the defendant,
surnamed Hong, guilty ofretaliatory murder, rejecting
his claims that he neverintended to kill the victim,
which we have the live streamthere.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
They stabbed him a whole bunch.
He thought he was a steak orsomething.
You can't defend yourself yeah,they.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
He stabbed him upwards of 12 times.
Wow, yeah, south korea'scriminal act stipulates that
those found guilty of murder areto be punished from at least
five years in prison to thedeath penalty.
Um, and then, at when he wassentenced to life, he thanked
the court and then beganclapping.
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
That sounds like something Apator would do?
Yeah, jeez.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
So he said thank you and thenstarted yelling profanity at the
bereaved family of the victimwho were present in court to
celebrate him going away forlife.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, I guess there was no love lost.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
All's well that ends well, huh.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
I'm glad there wasn't a Hong jury.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Nice, yes, indeed, there was no love lost.
All's well that ends well.
Huh, glad there wasn't a hongjury.
Nice, just indeed.
And moving on to another joe,wow, we have have chapter three,

(31:50):
the tale of Jupiter, joe Whoaand his sidewalk astronomy.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
You can never have too much, joe, oh, especially in
the morning right, don't talkto me before I've had my nice
hot cup of coffee.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, jupiter Joe's sidewalk astronomy.
It's a family-friendly YouTubechannel that you can still visit
to learn about the cosmos.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
to this day, oh nice.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's pretty self-explanatory, but the main
gist of the whole channel isthis guy, Joseph Martinez.
He calls himself Jupiter Joe,he calls himself the astronomer
of the Bronx.
Oh, nice Cute.
He would set up his telescopeon the sidewalks of New York
City and give sidewalk astronomylessons to adults and children
who were just walking by.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's a great idea.
It's very nice.
I mean there's a lot of lightpollution in the Bronx, but I
guess with a proper telescopeyou could see some stars.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yes, and he does have a proper telescope.
Here's a news story fromBronxNet that explains a little
bit more about Joe and what hedoes.

Speaker 10 (32:50):
That big crater that you saw right in the middle of
the moon.
That's that crater right there.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Wow, he's looking to build interest, picking a busy
street like this one, where manypause briefly in the middle of
their schedules to consider allthat is happening above.

Speaker 10 (33:03):
The last time I saw the whole thing with the moon
was when I was 9 years old, whenthey landed on the moon.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
He couldn't be anymore in New York, I think it
was 69, if I'm not mistaken, andthat was the first time, so
this is the second time I see itthat close.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Last time I saw the moon was in 1969.

Speaker 10 (33:20):
That's pretty cool.
Jupiter-joy Sidewalk in Torontois just a local outreach
program.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
It's a grassroots outreach program that's designed
just to bring awareness of thecosmos to the people, and
there's been much to talk aboutthis month, with a great
conjunction on the 21st, thesame day as the solstice, this
marking the closest anyone hasseen the planets Jupiter and
Saturn in a night sky in 800years.
It is this neighborhood wherehe grew up, in that he wants to
share about all this, whichhappens to be in a borough with
a strong connection to astronomy.

Speaker 10 (33:53):
There was an eclipse that happened in the Bronx back
in the 1920s and the Bronx wasthe only place that you could
really come to see the totaleclipse happen.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Out of that, the Amateur Astronomy Association of
New York, one of the largest inthe world, formed.
The Bronx is also home to thecity's second largest
planetarium, located at TrumanHigh School.
The Hayden Planetarium on West79th Street is the largest.
For more information onlocations to see the stars go to
jupiterjoeshastronomyorg.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
The hell of a, not a microscope, a telescope,
telescope.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
And right in the middle of the city, there next
to the hot dog stand.
Yeah, makes you miss New York.
That solstice that's like thetax season for astronomers, it's
like exciting.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I feel like tax season is devastating.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Yeah, I'd like to hope to IRS.
What do you mean?
Yeah for accountants.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
For accountants sure.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
It's exciting for accountants, like tax season.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Right, maybe Suicide rates probably go through the
roof.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
Or it's busy.
Taxes are horrible.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Why do you make me think of taxes?
It's busy.

Speaker 7 (34:58):
Well, you know what they say death and taxes.
Yeah.
Talk about one of thosesubjects a lot on here Taxes,
mostly Tax and entertainment.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Fascinating.
Jeff is saying that's not howeclipses work.
It wouldn't just be in oneborough.
Yeah, I feel like a lot ofthese guys, a lot of the space
people.
I don't know people who dealwith space.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
Yeah, they're called space people.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, they're always talking about how this is the
one time only that you're goingto see in the next 10,000 years
that this is going to happen.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
I feel in the next 10 000 years that this is going to
happen.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I feel like every summer they do that yeah, you
somehow had a.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
You made a racial slur for astronomers, space
people, space, you fucking spacepeople.
Get the fuck out of here.
Yeah, and that was a prettygood uh promotion for the bronx
to that whole piece yeah,absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
He really wants to get over by being the bronx guy
yeah, someone's got to do ityeah, so they did a whole big
write-up on him on the impact.
Uh, nicole alicron wrote a.
Joseph Alarcon wrote aboutJupiter Joe and his journey
through space.
And Jupiter Joe says I rememberbeing home as a kid and just

(36:08):
looking out my window staring atthe moon.
I remember I did that when Iwas 13, smoking my first
cigarette, just staring at themoon, thinking it was great.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, there's that great children's story too.
Good night moon.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, that too he said Beautiful thing, it's a
beautiful rock.
It really is.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
He said there was not much I couldn't see with my
binoculars.
Joseph Martinez, also known asJupiter Joe, had the shine and
passion of a million galaxies inhis eyes.
Martinez discovered his abidingenthusiasm for astronomy after
his father gifted him a pair ofbinoculars when he was just a
boy.
Nice gift.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
Yeah, Fast forward.
This Jupiter Joe thing reallycaught on too.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
And I don't mean this in any disrespectful way, but
he's sort of like the poor man'sNeil deGrasse Tyson.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Ah no, he's not an asshole.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is just soup his own ass and it's like
half the stuff he says.
Yes, I'm sure it's all true andshit, but I'll just get it from
Bill Nye.
Yeah, I'll just go to Bill Nyeand get the same information,
minus all the pomp.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
Everybody loves Bill Nye.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, he's universal.
Actually I'll go to Beekman,Peter Beekman from Beekman's.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
World.
Luigi Manione Yep Hot.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Beekman.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
Go for him.
Who did you say looked likeBeekman recently?
Luigi, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
So he says fast forward to my 30s.
My daughters were at an agewhere they started getting
interested in things.
I always had a passion forspace, so we would always end up
talking about space missions.
One day I decided to buy atelescope, and that first night
we set up the telescope on theroof.
The different residents in thebuilding would see it and wander
up asking questions.
About two weeks after I hadpurchased the telescope just
decided you know what?
I'm gonna take this out to thestreet and see what happens.

(37:49):
I love it.
So he wants to.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
He's a man of the people, he is, he wants to go
out there interact with everyoneand let them know about the
stars yeah, not only was heinviting them up to his roof,
but then going down to thestreet with his equipment
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's a big ass telescope to be hauling around
yeah, yeah, he said he startedat his local gas station because
he knew that there was going tobe a ton of people walking
around and, um, it was light,polluted.
So just looking at the moon,they wouldn't be able to see
everything without the help ofthe telescope, which I don't
even know how.
I mean, that's a differentthing you want to get into what
you know about the astronomy,about light pollution and how it

(38:27):
goes through it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
That's for the space people to know.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
Yeah, I excitedly took an astronomy class once.
Really and oh my God, I feltlike the stupidest person in the
world.
That's a bunch of shit.
There wasn't one word Iunderstood.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yep constellation.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Because I thought we were just going to look at stars
.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'm feeling constellated.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
But then there was all this math involved.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, that stuff always made me annoyed.
And then they would be likethat's a lion.
I'd be like I don't see thelion.
Yeah, that's the one thing thatthey and they're like.
Well, if you draw the lines, Ican draw anything.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
Yeah, I'll just Draw a dick, Exactly, oh yeah that's
the constellation cock and ballsright there, jupiter Joe.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yes, he says.
Looking at Jupiter, it's 420million miles away.
Looking at Saturn, which isalmost 900 million miles away,
their alignment makes it looklike they're very close together
, and so he was getting readyfor this.
You know little.
You know one of the things wewere talking about that you only
see once in every 10 000 years.

(39:30):
Uh, he's.
They say that martinez has abig week coming up for the
jupiter and saturn conjunction,an incredible phenomenon that
will form a rare christmas start, and that event will start on
december 21st.
Like I said, of 2020.
He did have a big event andeverything was great.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
And it was about a year later.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
I love these nice stories.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, there's no way this is going to turn horrific
About a year later, there issome news that came out.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
There was a girl.
She cried a river.
Her name was Minnerlees Drownedthe whole world.
This is a story of a girl.
Okay, her name was Minnerlees.
This is the story of a girl.
Okay, her name was Minnerley'sSoriano.
She was living in the Bronx andin 1999 she was found by a
homeless man in a bag in adumpster.
So her story is in 1999.
On Wednesday, february 24th,she was accompanied by her

(40:21):
younger sister to leave herapartment so she could catch the
bus to school.
The 13 year old, who lived inthe Bronx, was a 7th grade
student at Frank D Whalen MiddleSchool.
On this day she attended all ofher classes as scheduled and
when the school day ended at2.20, she waved goodbye to her
friends and told them she wasgoing to pick up her younger
sister, nadia, from a nearbyelementary school.
When Nadia arrived home byherself later that afternoon,

(40:44):
her mother and stepfather becamesuspicious that something
terrible had happened and fileda missing persons report with
the NYPD.
After four days of nowhereabouts, on February 28th
1999, a homeless man who wasrummaging around for disposed
food and DVDs in the dumpsterDVDs 1999.

Speaker 7 (41:00):
No, but where's he gonna watch them?
He's gonna sell them.
He's gonna sell them.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh yeah, I mean that's a good point.
I mean, yeah, he's going tosell them.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Five bucks a pop.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, it was behind a Hollywood video, oh perfect.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Oh yeah, I used to buy anyone.
Everyone had CDs.
Yeah, all the homeless peoplewere slinging CDs.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
So yeah, when he was trying to actually found the
remains of Minnerle's Sorianowrapped up in a plastic garbage
bag, which is terrible, thatdoes suck.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
You're looking for Bootylicious or whatever DVD
you're trying to find.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
You're like damn.
Look a brand new InspectorGadget.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Is that somebody's head?
I was looking for Pootie Tang.
Pootie Tang was a funny movie,by the way.
It's great.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, louis, ck directed it was a funny movie,
by the way.
It's great, yeah, lewis ckdirector.
Yeah, uh, as the years went by,the investigation into
mineralese's death had become acold case and would have
remained so if advancements indna evidence had not been made.
So this was a huge thing.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
There was a cold case , an unsolved murder of this
high school student but itdidn't mean she's 13, oh, middle
school, excuse me yeah, she.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
They said that it would have been solved much
earlier had the courts allowedthem to use dna, because they
had found her with semen on hershirt, and so nypd that gets
their flowers on this one.
Okay, they really wanted tocrack this case, so they kept
that sweatshirt for they stillhave it but why wasn't it
allowed to be used as evidencethen?
New york has a real problemwith allowing to use dna for

(42:31):
evidence because they don't wantto just start finding all
people willy-nilly.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I guess I don't know they don't want to start solving
crimes.
It's really expensive it reallyis honestly, it's just a price
thing.
Yeah, because it is veryexpensive.
Um, it's actually really.
They don't care about this girl, right?
You know?
Hispanic gal in 1999, fuckingbronx yeah, that ain't right
that they don't care but, that'strue.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
The facts there was a detective working the case and
he was actually documentinghimself as he retired and he's,
you know, visibly upset talkingabout it.
Um, because he knew he had tolet go of this case and just
give it to the younger guys andhope that they still had enough
drive to want to solve it likehe did.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, I love that.
Also, they went the monicalewinsky route.
Keep the dress.
Yes, exactly.
All that semen is going to beimportant later, right?

Speaker 6 (43:20):
after 31 years, the decorated detective was ready to
retire.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
Going to have to let it go and pass it on.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
pass the torch Tough to do, tough to do.
He seems like a good officer.
He cared and haunted him yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Three years later, November 2021,.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
we get an update Three years later, November 2021
, we get an update In November2021, three years after Ryman
handed in his badge.
Nearly 23 years sinceMinnerlees' killing, the city
announced it made an arrest.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Minnerlees was not just a grim statistic or a case
number.
She was a vibrant child whoshould be with us today enjoying
life.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
A grand jury indicted 49-year-old Joseph Martinez on
two counts of second-degreemurder.
What he pleaded- AKA Jupiter,joe.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Wow, so this schmuck who's going around New York City
just like talking to kids,being like, hey, you want your
kid to look in this telescope.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
Well, he wasn't doing it like that, not quite like
that.
I got a telescope right here.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, where On Zips' band In my pants, there we go.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
it's very chilling that he has I don't trust any of
those neighborhood guys thathave.
You know an attraction that allthe kids like Come on Well.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
You know an attraction that all the kids
like Come on Well you know ifthey're making elephant ears or
something, having a good timewith a little circus ride.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
I don't know.
And he had no kids, right.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
He did.
He had daughters.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
He did.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, oh, he had a daughter.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Wow, multiple.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
That's scary.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, so he thought he had gotten away with it.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
And he would have too , if it wasn't for those pesky
DNA guys.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Keeping that semen.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, no, this is they explain here how they went
about it.

Speaker 6 (45:10):
DNA in 2018, Chief Emanuel Katranakis took on the
laborious duty of ensuring thatthe case met the strict criteria
that the state requires for anapplication.
It took two years for New YorkState's crime lab to come back
with a familial DNA hit.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, so the way they did this it wasn't a direct
match.
It's like the Koberger thingwhere they had some DNA and it
matched someone in the family.
Okay, so they didn't do itthrough like 23andMe and all
those other DNA services.
They actually entered it into adatabase of other offenders
that have committed crimes.
So he had a cousin that wasprobably in the system, his dad,

(45:49):
his father, okay, so his dad,who gave him binoculars that
sent him into Jupiter, joe alsogot him caught, wow.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
The familial DNA hit gave detectives the name of a
convicted offender found in thestate's DNA database the name of
a convicted offender found inthe state's DNA database.
This means the forensic teamwould be looking for someone
related to that person aspossibly being Mineraliza's
killer.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
So they came up with five hits.
It's him, I think, a brotherand a couple cousins, and so
once they have that I thinkthat's what New York State has a
problem with is like, oh,you're casting a wide net, but
you're not not, because whatthey actually did was go one by
one and start eliminating peoplewho weren't in the area, that
they definitely know weren'tthere, and then you have a

(46:33):
smaller pot to choose from, andthen, once they had two people,
they took the dna from boththose guys, like a discarded
cigarette or something, and thenthey got a complete match to
jupiter joe.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I would force them to milk me.
I'd be like you want my DNA,come on, come and get it.
I'm going to be over there withthis, rub and tug, get
detective whatever over there.
Oh shit, you want this, come,you're going to work for it.
Okay, interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And so this retired detective actually gets to talk
about it and gets to celebratethat the case was finally closed
.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
The city says this is the first cold case solved by
using familial DNA.
What happens with this new typeof technology is you go from a
list of 43 people to one.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
That big crater that you saw right in the middle of
the moon that's that craterright there.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Martinez, who was 27 years old at the time of the
murder, also goes by Jupiter Joe.
He gave sidewalk astronomyclasses.
Videos of him encouraging kidsand adults to see the stars
through his telescope are online.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Astronomy stars and everything she was interested in
is something that oh, that'shorrible a suspect is interested
in.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
He's on the internet going around talking about it,
so there's a connection there.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
And detectives discovered.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah her family said she would have never gone off
with someone that she didn'tknow.
No, she wanted to learn aboutthe stars.
Yeah, so she knew this guy.
He lived in the building.
He was in the hallway acrossthe street from her apartment.
Guy, he was lived in thebuilding.
He was in the hallway acrossthe street from her apartment so
he lured her in to be like Igot a telescope, we can talk
about the stars and stuff andimagine he probably used that
telescope for nefarious purposestoo well, that one is the newer

(48:16):
one, but yeah, he yeah, I mean,who knows, he killed a 13 year
old, so probably yeah, I justyou know, he wasn't just
watching starsright, right, yeah.
Oh, you're saying like lookinginto windows and stuff, yeah, oh
, boy Jesus.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
Covered another connection.
Old case notes from 1999 showedMartinez told police he'd seen
Minnerlees around theirapartment complex getting mail
and selling candy.
When Martinez was questioned inlate November and denied any
physical contact with Minnerle's, detectives say that's when
they knew he was lying,ultimately sealing the case

(48:53):
against him.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
He was actually fifth on the list of individuals that
I wanted to look at and talk to.
Fifth on their short list,since we were heading in the
right direction.
These cases are so difficult todo and there are so many
setbacks and dead ends.
To see that this guy is goingto stand in a courtroom and face
justice, it's an incrediblegratification.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Wow, it is.
I can see why, you know, someof these guys lose sleep at
night because they have caseslike this, where they're like
that.
We desperately want to catchthis motherfucker right, right,
and we can't, and they're closeyeah, and you're getting, you
know, hamstringed by a courtsystem that's like oh, we don't
want you to cheat using the dna,even though that's the only
evidence you have to work with.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
It's very, uh, very difficult 1999 that was a rough
year yeah you had woodstock thisis right up there with this.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, and this so he's got one last thing here,
she uh that she knows, shewasn't forgotten she was just 13
, deserving of the life sheimagined oof absolutely well all

(50:15):
right, they got him.
He's tearing up here.
Yeah, there hasn't been many.
She imagined COVID messedeverything up, and then he's
actually really fighting this,saying he definitely didn't do
it, which, if he didn't kill her, he's definitely guilty of
having his seed on hersweatshirt.
Could someone have stolen that?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, you know, you can just steal that.
Yeah, it's easy just to stealsomeone's spunk.
Hey, buddy, look what's in myhand now.
Oh, this is your cum.
Look at that.
You didn't think I could havegot that.
That's the new Penn and Teller.
Fool Us Just has two vials ofPenn and Teller semen.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
How'd you get it?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, you're not going to know, but I'm going to
sprinkle it all over these crimescenes.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
We'll close out with one of his videos for one of his
many, many followers.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Great, okay, great.

Speaker 10 (51:03):
Way eerier in retrospect.
That's so cool.
If you guys want to see thevideo later, you can visit the
website.
Oh, cool Thank you.

Speaker 7 (51:08):
You're very welcome.
That's him talking when in New.
York From the Bronx.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You're kidding me I killed a girl around here.
I raped and killed a girl here.

Speaker 10 (51:21):
I'm right on Pelham Parkway.
That's awesome.
Where do you guys go to school?

Speaker 5 (51:25):
SAR, don't tell them.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
Great.
So if you guys are ever out,definitely here to take my card
again because I'll be back inthe Bronx.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Giving his card to little kids.
If you guys like.
You got to wonder if he's justreliving the crime over and over
like.
This is how I got her.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
And looking for his next victim.
Possibly that's.
The other thing too is that hesaid it was an outreach program,
so he's trying to gather andsource people.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
All right.
I wonder if there's any othervictims out there.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
YouTubers of death could be interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, jupiter, joe, you taught kids about the stars.
May you now be teachingprisoners about Uranus, okay, oh
well, there we go.
I liked it.
I liked it For our final story.

(52:21):
Tonight we are entering theworld of e-sports.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And e-sports are legit.
I did a college gig where theperson that booked me did get
fired for booking me, which istrue, but the number one sports
scholarship they give e-sports.
That's crazy, isn't that crazy?
It counts as a sport.
It does Truly a sport, I mean,I know it's in the name.
It's not in the activity.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, exactly name, but I was not in the activity,
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Wow, I am surprised how bigthis has gotten.
I didn't realize.
I thought it was just likeoutside money makers.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
I didn't realize it's actually in our school system
now that would have been amazing, like if there was an n64 club
yeah, that would have saved alot of pants, a lot of kids
being pantsed during dodgeball.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
What year was this?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Oh, that was probably 2018, 2019.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Wow, yep, it was pre-COVID.
I'm still so pissed that duringCOVID we didn't have BattleBots
every day and e-gaming everyday.
The sports that came out werelike nuts at costs and darts.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
That's true, and not to mention that if it's in the
schools, obviously you know howbig that is right.
Think of twitch and all theother platforms and then youtube
alone how huge gaming is.
It's probably the biggest moneymaker for the content creators
and the site, I would thinkabsolutely because people will

(53:44):
just watch someone play a gamefor 10 hours.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I watch the speed runs all the time.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
It's amazing those are great Like Super Mario 3 in
five minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Insane yeah.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
It took me probably 10 years to beat that game when
I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Absolutely, and they just do it in five minutes.
I think I beat that game bypaying somebody 20 bucks to do
it for me.
Esports Just imagine you showup with two broken knees.
You'd be like lost in esports.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Betting on esports is a huge thing too.
Hell yeah, it's on all the appsnow.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Well, it's very serious and, as we'll learn,
very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Very, very dangerous.
Yeah, this story is very scary.
So there was this kid, DavidKatz.
As a young adult got intoplaying Madden professionally,
Love it, which is crazy.
That's a game that you love.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I love Madden.
I'm doing fairly well right now.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I'm elite.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, but it's not.
I'm three tiers away from beinggreat.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Yeah, and Madden is really the first game to start
all the sports games, right.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I mean, it's certainly the biggest one,
especially with tournaments andstuff like that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, I would say Madden and Tony Hawk, those are
like the two biggest oh yeah.
Tony Hawk.
Oh yeah, they have competitionsfor Tony Hawk.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
That's crazy.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
That's another thing you got to watch, because that's
crazy, that's another thingyou've got to watch, because I
think Madden started off on thecomputer in the 80s and then
never looked back.
And look it's still going today, as strong as ever.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, I remember getting like Madden 94 on Sega
and it's just never stopped.
That gravy train is still going.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Pat Summerall and John Madden.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Okay, so EA Sports?
They're the ones who run Madden.
Ea Sports it's in the game.
We all know that, yeah, thatguy makes a lot of money saying
that.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, he goes to bars and talks to chicks like you
know who I am.
I'm the EA Sports guy.
I'm the reason your boyfriendisn't here with you right now.
Probably pretty good angle forme.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
They run Madden tournaments every year.
There's qualifiers, there'sinvite.
Only there's man off the street.
Any schmuck can show up and tryto win their way in.
Essentially, it's gotten evenbigger than the World Series of
Poker.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 7 (55:57):
Wow, because World Series of Poker has something
like 10,000 participants.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, is that similar to this, Not all at one time,
but over the country.
It's way more competitive.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
I'm actually thinking of the main event alone.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
There was this kid, David Katz.
He went by the name of Bread.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Because he would always win the bread he's making
that bread baby.
Not baker-themed, money-themed,he was.
Just I'm gonna go with yeast,because yeast work is a key
component in bread.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It's also a part of my infection, whoa yeah.
So he grew up playing videogames like us all, but he got
very, very good at Madden inparticular, and not like me,
yeah, not like me.
I play online.
I get smoked every time,Probably by this kid.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I do a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah Well, you're elite, I do a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Well, you should.
I'm pretty cool guys.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
You should be one of those walk-ons, then to this
tournament.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I would love to actually invite only ben kissel
showing up.
So uh, he, you know, wasplaying.
He's a jewish kid frombaltimore locks himself in his
room, gets really good, startsmaking money.
In 2017 he played in theofficial ea sports madden
championship tournament.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yes, this is his introduction here now on the
other side is a PS4 player,brett.
He has had multiple accounts,but over the last five years or
so he's been a top ten playeronline.
There are hundreds of thousandsof players that play Madden
every single season millions.
He has been in the top ten forthe last five years.

(57:41):
Now he's at a live tournament,though potentially one of the
first times we've seen this guyout there at a live event.
So when you play online, you'rein the comfort of your own home
.
You got a water next to you.
You're not sitting on the hotseat.
There's no cameras on you athome, so you feel really
comfortable?
There's no real high-pressuresituation.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah, he doesn't have his water with him.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
And he looks really freaked out there yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Well, I will say, and I'm sure we'll get into the
character traits of this guy henever has any emotion.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
No, he's famous for just being completely.
Whether he wins or loses, it'sthe same expression on his face.
It's like poker.
Yeah, it really is.
It really is.
It's good for poker.
I'm not sure about e-sportsgaming, but I'm not sure about
e-sports gaming.

Speaker 7 (58:24):
How does it help?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
you if you're doing it during Madden Psychological
warfare.
Yeah, no, there is definitelysomething to that.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Never let him see you sweat, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
So he goes on to win this game and this is his
post-game conference here.
When I spoke with him pre-gameand he was so just understated,
he was just in the zone.
He's a cool, calm cucumber, youknow, downstairs on the first
level.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I don't know if that's going to hold up.
He said very simply.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
I understand the game really well.
I don't overthink this thing.
I'm going to take what you giveme and I'm going to beat you.
And he said it with just suchconfidence.
He moves on and, speaking ofconfidence, he is downstairs
standing by right now with theformer great Buffalo Bill, Steve
Tasker.
Steve, take it away.

Speaker 9 (59:03):
David, that game seemed to turn when you hit that
long play down the leftsideline.
Right before halftime you kindof went into game management
mode.
You decided not to score andthen run the clock out for this
first half.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah, my opponent probably should have called his
timeouts.
I took advantage that he didn't.
I was able to get another luckyplay before the half.
Fumble to start off the gamewas huge.
Always a great way to start offthe game and just kind of
chewed clock.
As always, turnovers areignored.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, so he's just he won.
He looks like he's sad.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Yeah, right, because in the other clip he looked
really freaked out, but I guessthat's just always how he looks.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Well he looks like Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber
yeah.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
He's got a really goofy haircut Pumpkin pie
haircut.
Our pet's heads are falling offIf Jim Carrey didn't sleep at
all yeah that's true.
And I love in that clip howthere's a mascot right next to
him trying to get attention andthe cameraman just zooms right
past him.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
To Mr Katz See, now, that's where I would be
disappointed as a father.
I wouldn't care if my kidplayed eSports, but you're the
mascot for eSports, I.
I wouldn't care if my kidplayed esports, but you're the
mascot for esports.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
So even the Buffalo Bills get in on the action and
he won this tournament inBuffalo.
A Baltimore kid going to arival city and winning the whole
tournament.
They tweeted it out.
Congrats to David Katz, theMadden 17 Bills championship
winner.
Thanks for following along,bills fans.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
Oh, that's sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
He goes on, wins this tournament, which is, uh, an
official ea sports tournament,and it's actually on the low
side.
The champion won ten thousanddollars.
Okay, it's pretty good.
It's good, but you would thinkit'd be a little bit more yeah,
there's a lot of money ine-games yeah that's just the
entry fee for the poker mainevent that's true.
So, yeah, he's still, to thisday, listed on the ea sports

(01:00:46):
list of championship winnerswell, yeah, benoit is still a
champion that's true, you knowoj simpson speaking of the
buffalo bills he's still gotrings, that is true does he have
rings?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I think he does, maybe not.
He's a buffalo bill probablynot never mind to quote bill
gates.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
well, he's dead now.
Yeah, that's what he said aboutEpstein.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Oh, that's right.
Stop the investigation, he'sdead now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Do you regret it?
Well, he's dead, so anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
So technically OJ doesn't have any rings, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
So I mean technically , we'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
I'm intrigued.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So this kid, he's on the up and up, he's just won the
madden 2017 championship, butit was for madden 2018, because
it's like a car where they havethe number yeah, it's a year
ahead for some reason, and so hewas going and he wanted to win
some more money.
So he goes down.
He hears hears about thisMadden tournament.
The first Madden tournament inthe country for the year was in

(01:01:50):
Jacksonville, so he packed uphis car and drove all the way
down there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
He drove from Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Baltimore for an 11-hour ride.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Okay, that's actually not that bad.
That's a good day of driving.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Yeah, by himself, by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
He didn't have like a caddy equivalent.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
Yeah, he doesn't someone takes you there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Like I don't know if anyone would want to go on a 11
hour ride with this guy no,definitely not the power rates
alone that he slams I wouldn'twant to drive with him to the
7-eleven down the block.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
No, definitely not, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So he uh is.
He's on a high from winning thelast year's Madden tournament,
so he wants to go in there andjust whoop everybody's ass Right
.
What we didn't hear from thatinterview that I just played was
that he was a seventh seed andhe knocked off the number two
seed to be able to get to thefinals.
Got you, and he was very upsetabout that.
He's like I'm not a seventhseed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Well, you got to win, so go play and win, and then
you'll be a seventh seed that'strue, yeah, and he just he does
not take disrespect very lightly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It seems like no.
So he goes down to thistournament and you're allowed to
lose, I guess, once or twice,but then I think it might have
been double elimination.
Yeah, so he's in there, he'splaying, and it just so happens
that he loses multiple games, sohe's gotta go, so everything
will be fine.
And it just so happens that heloses multiple games, so he's
got to go, so everything will befine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
We'll just drive back up to Baltimore and the story
is over.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
All right, thank you guys for listening.
If you want to join the Patreon, Absolutely Last I heard
champions don't lose.

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
That's right, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Don't tell him that I don't know if you heard, but
I'm not.
No seven seed, no more.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
Yes.
I got saved from Goodfellas,although I actually don't know
what happens in the story.
It's brutal, okay.
It's worse than that sceneprobably.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Then yes, it's up there, yeah, so they said
everything was fine at thistournament.
It was just weird because hewouldn't shake anybody's hand
after he lost.

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
Yes, and he was like very pissed off so probably just
seemed like a sore loser, yeah,but also.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
This is not being disrespectful, but there's a
level of autism to this guy.
Yeah, for sure I don't thinkthat he is very comfortable
around people.
He's awkward and I would assumethat has something to do with
it.
Yeah, for sure, so it's notlike a massive red flag.
That he's a little strange.
Yeah, gamer has no right aquirky identity.
He didn't seem like that cool,you know.
Yeah, it's still the e-gameshere.

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Yeah you see that professional gamer over there.
He's a little standoffish.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Let's call the cops what's up his ass?
He leaves everybody's just like.
You know what?
Everything's fine.
This is also being telecastnationally, nationally on uh
streaming on YouTube and Twitchand all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Was this on C4?
Remember that channel.
Was it C4?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I do remember that channel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
There's a gaming channel, g4.
G4, yes, g4.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I don't know if it's still around.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
No, it's not, Not anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
It might have been at this time, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Because you really don't even need a anymore.
People can, like you just said,twitch, youtube, get in on your
phone exactly so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
They have thousands and thousands of people across
the world watching this thingand, like I said, the excitement
was in the air because it wasthe first ea sports uh madden
2019 tournament.
So everyone's like we got thisnew game.
Let's friggin have some fun.
Absolutely, this dude ends uplosing multiple games.
He's not shaking anyone's hand,he leaves and nobody really
thinks much of it other.
It was weird because this wasactually caught on stream While

(01:05:14):
people were still playing.
The guys that just beat himwere facing off against each
other and you start seeingsomeone like playing around with
a laser pointer and like oh, Imean, it's a gaming term and
somebody's fucking with somebody.
You think maybe, oh, they'retrying to get in his eyes so he
loses the game or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Oh wow, nancy Kerrigan, yeah, galooly, come on
, don't Galooly these guys.

Speaker 7 (01:05:37):
Or George Costanza from Seinfeld trying to get a.
Oh no, his nemesis was tryingto get a laugh.
Yeah, exactly, overtaking him,that's gotta hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
So what it ends up being is not a laser pointer.
It ended up being an actuallaser sight on a gun.
Oh my God.
And this was actually streamedacross the world.
Like I said Very hard, listen,we're going to play the footage
of what actually happened, yep.
So if you're squeamish at alland don't want to hear any type

(01:06:11):
of suffering or shooting, pleaseskip ahead one minute.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yep, it's pretty nasty yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Got a lot of good games going on today it's going
to be hard to get them on screen.
It's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
It's not a tough out today, Excuse me, not an easy
out.
Oh my God, oh my God, oh whatare you shooting with?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
That's brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
God dang.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
All in all, 12 shots rang out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Well, just for the sake of asking who won the game,
Did they stop it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
They did have to stop it.
Oh my Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah.
That's such a horrifying sound.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, that's what we call a push in the casino.
They'll give you your moneyback.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Oh, that's nice, you get a push Good.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Maybe they paused.
Yeah Well, that's what I saidon the one of our other podcasts
where, during the Vegasshooting, I knew some people
that were there still wanting toplay poker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, no, it's over for for tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Yeah, couldn't stop gambling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Jesus.

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
So could I still get my winnings from the slot
machine.
Imagine you hit the jackpot inthe car.
Oh my God, I'm staying.
Hold on, you're getting shotlike in the leg, in the back,
like one second oh my lord yeah,so he went in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
What had happened was he loaded up his car with like
two or three guns before evengoing there, so he knew if he
lost this tournament he wasgoing to go out in style, do you
think?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
he was going to do it if he wanted to.
Is it possible?
Right because he had somepremeditation?
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
It certainly would have happened at some point
anyway, I'm sure, which is scary, right.
Could it have been prevented?
That's always more frighteningif you realize it couldn't have
been.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Right, katz.
It says that he has a historyof mental illness and was
prescribed antipsychoticmedication.
He was diagnosed with dis-,dis-, dismissed-.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Dismissed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
He was dismissed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
He was diagnosed with being-.
I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
Dusty Rose.
Kyle turned into a gay southernwaiter, not the American dream.
I do declare, I do declare.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Diagnosed with dismiss Dys.
The American dream.
I do declare.
I do declare.
No, I know it's a dis-miss.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Dys-thymia.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Which is just persistent depressive disorder.
I guess I could have just saidthat, yeah, welcome to the club
pal.

Speaker 7 (01:08:46):
Which usually means suicidal.
But then he turned intohomicide.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Right, that's right.
Yeah, I've said it on.
Okay, bud, and I'm saying itagain if you're gonna kill
yourself, then you can do that.
We don't say you should, but ifyou do it, don't take other
people with you, sure?

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
uh, he had been involuntary, involuntarily
committed to mental hospitals onnumerous occasions growing up I
mean, you know how crazy thatwould be to be voluntarily
committed like, hey guys, yougot a room for tonight, I hey,
I'm back again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Right Is anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
voluntarily going in there, you got a bed.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
Come on.
And who's watching him?
Does he live with his family?

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I believe, so yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
And they just didn't know how to handle it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Well, they were trying to blame it on the fact
that his parents got divorced.
Like 10 years before this,everyone's parents are divorced.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
It's like join the club.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Everybody's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I mean not mine.
My parents are good Christianpeople who would never do that.
That's right, Because when theytake a vow they don't break it,
Even though I was desperatelytrying to get my mom to divorce
my dad growing up, but now I'mvery happy they're together.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
His dad came out and said said he's never shown signs
of uh schizophrenia to me.
He's always been very aware.
It's like, dude, your kid hasbeen locked up more times than
you can count right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
Can't wait to hear his ted talk.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Oh, my lord I can't how many people died in the
shooting so yeah, there was twofatalities and nine injuries
it's interesting because hadthis taken place at like a call
of duty convention, peoplereally would have blamed the
game a lot.
Yeah, the fact it was Madden, Ithink I mean it doesn't help or

(01:10:25):
hurt, but it they would havedefinitely blamed the gaming
itself if it was something moreviolent than John Manfibbo and
there would have been moreconfusion.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
Oh, that's, true too everybody had fake guns, right
yeah and you think too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Like when I was thinking of this story I was
like this is in jacksonville,florida.
How does nobody there have agoddamn gun?
But then you think it's allnerds playing madden you're
supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Some things are sacred yeah, you don't need a
gun to play madden places ofworship, ch Cheese's and Madden
tournaments.
Right, come on and it's insane.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
He should have just done what I used to do when I'd
get really pissed after losingthat electric water level in the
Ninja Turtles.
Oh sure I would bite thecontroller and throw it at the
wall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
The biting part's interesting.
Well if we can get into thatlater.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
We don't need to analyze my childhood right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, I beat this one kid growing up named Pete in
Madden football.
He threw the Sega cartridge atmy ear, punctured my ear.
Jeez, that's real asshole,these people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, so the fatalities were Elijah Clayton.
He was 22 years old, fromwoodland hills, california.
Right down the street, oh, hewas a professional gamer known
by the alias true boy, and hereportedly made a last second
decision to attend thejacksonville tournament oh,
that's, so sad yeah, wow.
Um, the video circulating onsocial media after the shooting

(01:11:55):
that we just watched, uh, showsa red dot on his chest from the
laser sight on cats's handgun,so he was very specifically
targeted because he was beatinghim.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Well, he had already lost but yeah, he killed the guy
that beat him.
Do we know that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
uh, I don't know that to be a fact but two of the
gamers were actively playing.

Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
Yes, okay, so they must have one of them must have
beat him, yeah, and at thatpoint anyone playing is doing
better than him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, exactly, and Taylor Robinson also died.
He was age 27, from Ballard,west Virginia.
He was a professional gamerknown as Spot Me Please, oh,
yeah, okay.
And he has a wife and children,and that's just brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
That's so sad.
Yeah, it's interesting they'reboth in their 20s.
I did learn this you can ageyourself out of being a pro
gamer.
The older you get, the lessgood you are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Ah, reaction time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, it's a real sport in many ways.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
It's like other sports then it's like other
sports and think about their age.
They were living the dream.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'm always fascinatedwhen this sort of horror
happens at something that'ssupposed to be fun.
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
They take it very seriously.
After a big e-game competition,they put their hands in an ice
bath.
Yeah, they ice bath their hands, yeah, yeah, no, they don't.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
That's a joke, I believe you.
Anything could be, anything ispossible.
Hands in an ice bath yeah, yeah, ice bath their hands?
Yeah, yeah, no, they don't,that's okay.
I, I believe yeah anythingcould be possible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Maybe they do I don't know, they might actually.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I'm not sure yeah, uh , so they had a press conference
letting everybody know that hedid buy the two handguns before
the shooting well, yeah, hedidn't buy him after.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
It's not a chicken or the egg situation how did he
get those back to the future?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
he bought the guns after the shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Oh my god, we've got a time travel, this guy's good,
yeah, he shot it from 2024, yeahuh ea sports released a
statement saying its mostheartfelt sympathies went out to
the families and victims ofthose who were injured and
killed.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
Uh, which is nice of course yeah, but what else
you're gonna say if you're ea?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
sorry for not providing security oh, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
But again, who thinks this is gonna happen at a
madden tournament?

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
it's, it's supposed to be innocent exactly, yeah,
you would never suspect this andthere probably was security on
some level.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah, I mean certainly the Comic-Cons are
highly secured Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
But they don't allow realistic looking weapons either
.
Now at those cons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Yeah, they do confiscate, that's smart.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yeah.
Ea further donated $1 millionas charity for the victims of
the shooting and set up anotherfund for others to be able to
contribute to them.
So, oh my god, that was niceyeah brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You just get up one day and you're like I'm gonna go
win this madden tournament andsome jackass shoots you.
It's the worst way to die itreally is yeah, it's very scary
so what happened with him?
Did he end up committingsuicide on the site?

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
yeah, so like a friggin coward, he took himself
out after because he didn't wantto deal with the consequences
of what he had done okay so tookthe coward's way out and, uh
yeah, just left a bunch offamilies grieving like an ass
jesus.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
It's so weird.
At the beginning of the story Iwasn't sure if he was going to
be the perpetrator or the victim.
Yeah, and looking back now likewhat a creepy interview.
Yeah, it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, it's.
Uh, it's a perversion of pearljams, jeremy, it's always the
quiet ones.
That are not always the quietones, but sometimes it's the
person you know is coming.
You're like, oh yeah, they'redefinitely gonna commit crimes,
but I don't think a lot ofpeople saw this one coming,
except that he did look like apsycho.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
He really did he has that psycho.
Look, and let's be honest, ifyou're gonna succeed in
streaming your game playing, youdo have to have a bit of
charisma.
Right, this guy was just goodat madden, but he had no
personality.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I think he was lacking tits, that's really what
you want he's too skinny Ifyou're a woman, or a man in my
case as well but if you can mixa little sex appeal with gaming,
you're going to be amultimillionaire.
It's over.
Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Time Magazine said the documents that the fbi
released portrayed david katz asan obsessive consumer of video
games, sometimes to thedetriment of his school
attendance or personal hygieneoh, which is, like every other
gamer, his mother said quote hishair would go unwashed for days
all right, that's something Imean, I don't care, yeah, yeah

(01:16:35):
uh.
As their relationshipdeteriorated with his mother,
elizabeth katz, she routinelycalled 9-1-1, accusing david of
assaulting her to gain controlof the television remote.
What so?
This guy was just unhinged hereally was.
They did know they raised apsychopath exactly that's why
the dad coming out and beinglike I don't know what anybody's
talking about, he was a verynice boy oh my lord, it sounds

(01:16:57):
like there was some denial goingon big time.
It ain't just a river in egypt,oh well, he should go and date
susan klebold yeah, for real oh,the mom

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
of.
Yes, oh her, the columbineshooter yes, his father.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
Yeah, love, they would make a great couple so
what do you guys talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
You know birthing a psychopath.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
Yeah, and how they didn't see any signs?
Yeah, because they're fuckingidiots.
It was just on them Friggingace holes.
Don't blame the parents yeah,you know what?
Let's blame some of theseparents.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
I blame whoever Was he?
I blame whoever.
What was he playing as theBuffalo Bills when he lost?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
I think the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Oh, he was playing as the Ravens.
Oh, dude, you've got to winwith the Ravens.
Lamar Jackson is made forMadden.
His character is almost likethe Bo Jackson of sports.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Maybe he wanted to go down like his hero Ray Lewis,
who definitely shot somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Okay, Ray Lewis, that man You're such an asshole.
Kyle, your whole family iscriminals, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Ray Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
That's all I know.
It had to happen, ray Lewis, ithad to happen.

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Yeah, it had to happen.
What do you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
mean it had to happen .
He had to do with Ray.
You're going to mess with RayLewis.
You're going to die.
What?

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
are you doing?
He's not even he said yes, hekilled somebody, but he was in
the right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
He was in the right.
Same with Snoop Dogg, who alsoKyle diminishes.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
You know what happened that night.
Someone scuffed his coat, soyou should kill someone for that
.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Pow, pow.
Somebody scuffed Ray Lewis'scoat.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, yeah, you fucked.

Speaker 7 (01:18:30):
Yeah, that is an offense punishable by death in
baltimore it is well, that was,that was at the super bowl, not
even baltimore that's rightatlanta oh, come on, atlanta
also oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
And there's a hot take.
Yeah, just nothing.
It's fine, it's all a famer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
I believe that will take us to Final thoughts.

Speaker 7 (01:19:01):
Okay, so we have to move on from Ray Lewis being
innocent even though he killed aman.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
We got a whole death and entertainment on it, so
people can go back and Murderand killing are different things
.
Hey, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Yeah.
So what do we have today?
We had Apator, poor guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, the most innocent of all of the people
we've covered.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
His content is also very self-damaging.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, yeah, you got to take care of your physical
and mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, because Jupiter Joe technically I guess his
content was pure in a senseRight, then obviously the crime
was absolutely heinous and whichI almost think makes it worse
right?

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
well, it's always those people that are pretending
like they're nice guys.
Yeah, when you find out thatthey're evil well sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
But again and sometimes I think that's a trope
.
That's a little bit likejeffrey dahmer.
His neighbors were like he wasa little weird.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, that's true and they could smell rotting people
every time he opened his door.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
Yeah, yeah, but it is common with the kind of crimes
that jupiter joe did, yeah,where oftentimes they do wear
the mask of being, you know, theneighborhood friendly well, I
think he did that too because hewanted to be around children,
yeah, and that's how he was ableto do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
So, yeah, that's all nasty, nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Creepy, creepy.
And then the Korean.
Oh yeah, the Korean TupacBiggie beef.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah that was quite the beef.
Yeah, I think the weirdest partabout all of this is, in a
sense, aren't we all complicit?
People watch this stuff.
We talked about it on OK Budthis week with a mukbanger that
died.
People watch this stuff and ina way, they want it to end
horribly.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
Yeah, I mean not a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Madden.
I think most people watch theMadden tournament and be like I
hope someone scores, yeah, butin other cases it is a dangerous
line.
You're right, though, look at.

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Apator.
Yeah, from the very beginningyou're watching these videos
thinking how can he survive thatright and it's fascinating to
watch and then eventually it didkill him right rip yeah, and
then, as far as madden, all Ican say is don't take the game
so seriously oh, of course youknow any.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Any.
He could have lost at frogger,yeah, and done this, though I
don't think it was madden.
Know he could have lost atFrogger and done this, though I
don't think it was Madden'sfault.

Speaker 7 (01:21:18):
Someone could have gotten his order wrong at
Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
He was going to kill somebody.

Speaker 7 (01:21:22):
Yes, Right Well, RIP to all the innocent lives lost.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Yes, you hear that You've got mail.
Hey, we got ourselves a mailbag.
Nice, you've got mail.
Hey, we got ourselves a mailbag.
From the Gene Hackman episode.
Jane Doe wrote and is backingup Alejandro's mom.
Wow, wow, jane Doe said my momhad a crush on Gene Hackman too.
She liked him more than TomCruise and the firm.

(01:21:48):
Okay, I had no clue.
He was so old and I was sosurprised when he died.
May he, his wife and their dogsrest in peace.
Well, there's only one dog, buteventually they can all rest in
peace.
Yeah, um, and she will foreverlove his performance in the
royal tenenbaums oh, it's thebest.
Yeah, so funny, so many greatroles yeah, faking an illness to
get back in this kid's life.

(01:22:09):
Who doesn't do that?

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
it's a nice family story it is and real and real.
Quickly, since we recorded thatepisode, we found out that the
wife died from a disease.
She got from a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, antivirus.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
What's it called Hantavirus Hantavirus while
she's cleaning the garage.
Oh God no good deed goesunpunished, like she's trying to
do some cleaning and she diesfrom it.
Jeez.
And then we found out that GeneHackman had Alzheimer's.
Yep, he was walking around hercorpse for a week, so that's the
scenario I guess that happenedhe died and then he eventually

(01:22:42):
died, not even realizing she wasdead.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Didn't even have that scenario ready to go.
No, that wasn't even one of ourtheories?
Yes, but you can go and hearall of our theories on various
things by supporting us onSpotify or Apple, or also our
Patreon, patreoncom slash diebud, where we have teamed up with
the OK Bud podcast.
Two podcasts, yes, one Patreonyou get five live shows a week

(01:23:06):
and can participate in thoseshows by adding comments live.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Absolutely.
Yeah, all right, everyone.
Well, thank you for listeningto another great week of Death
in Entertainment, and, of course, ok Bud as well.
And yeah, all right, hailyourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
And until next week, don't go dying on us.
Bye-bye.

Speaker 7 (01:23:24):
Bye, you have just heard a true Hollywood murder
mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I have never seen anything like this before.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
The movies, Broadway, music, television, all of it A
place that manufacturesnightmares.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Okay, everybody, that's a wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Good night.
Please drive home carefully andcome back again soon.

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