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Jim (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Decide on Joy, a podcast coming
to you from Harmony SpiritualCenter in Fort Worth, Texas.
My name is Jim Kovalt.
Pjae (00:09):
And my name is Rev.
Dr.
P.
J.
Stanley.
Jim (00:12):
And today We're talking about Manifestation.
This is the first of a four partseries on Manifestation, if we
stick to the plan.
And yes, yes.
And we think maybe all thetitles begin with D, but
certainly this one does.
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
This is called Discover.
Pjae (00:34):
Discover.
Jim (00:35):
And how is that the first part, the first step?
So
Pjae (00:40):
to, for, for me, for my understanding of how we move
forward into the future, we haveto discover who we are.
There's no point in trying todesign a future, then you get
there and it's not somethingthat you want to do.
So the beginning thing beginswith everything, whether you're
looking at a vision, or whetheryou're looking at manifestation.
It's to make sure that you arewalking into it knowing exactly
(01:01):
who you are and what matters toyou.
Because all of those things aregoing to go forward with you.
So if you're a person, let's saythat that you think love is, is
the highest, is the highestprinciple.
And you don't conclude that inknowing that's what you are.
You try to manifest and love isnot available.
It's not there because that'snot.
It's not something that'sautomatically what you do or
bring to the table, you're notgoing to be happy there.
(01:23):
And so you may or may not getwhere you say you want to go,
but you won't be happy, youwon't stay.
So it's really this is, this isbased on, on my experience of
life.
Having had some successes atthings, having failures at
things.
This is what I think life isactually about.
It's high school, it's college,it's always learning if you're
(01:43):
open to learning.
Who we were and who we are atone age or one place in our life
is different from who we aregoing to be at another stage.
So constantly looking at andsaying, well, who am I now in
this place?
And did all those values comewith me?
Or did I understand that there'ssomething that means something
more to me than I knew before?
Yeah.
(02:04):
So it's really important that wedo that.
I,
Jim (02:06):
I recently saw someone else talking about this and at a
different angle on it.
But he said, the thing is youhave to tell the truth.
And what he was saying was, it'syour truth.
Pjae (02:18):
Your truth.
Jim (02:19):
Who you actually are, not necessarily what labels you have
acquired over time.
Correct.
Pjae (02:25):
Correct.
And certainly who you've beentold you are.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So many of us have.
A lot of paradigms, a lot ofrules for living a lot of labels
that we're living with and we'reunaware until it's no longer
working for us.
As long as things are working,you know, everything seems to be
working, it's okay.
It's when you come up againstsomething, it stops working, and
(02:45):
you're having to change, move,shift, then you start asking
questions.
What the heck happened?
Why is that, why is that notworking the way it used to work?
So, one of the things, becausewe evolve.
Hopefully, if we're living andlearning we're evolving into
different people.
Someone asked you today whetheryou still go to the, go to the
theater.
Right.
Because you have a theaterbackground, and so that's,
(03:07):
that's a label that you carry.
And you don't.
I'm a singer, but I don't goaround singing anymore.
I mean, I do sing when I wantto, but I don't have a band.
I don't do, because, and I haveto look at that and think, well,
why did I love it so much when Iwas doing it?
But now it has, No real interestto me.
I'm okay with jamming, and youknow, I like singing, but I
don't want to make a career outof it, because something greater
has come up in my life, andsinging was for me, and it
(03:31):
always will be for me, but whatI am doing now is about who I
am, who I'm here, and I believewe're all here to do something
in particular this is about whoI am here to be and to do, and
so, that's changed.
And so you've got to reevaluate.
Jim (03:45):
And sometimes it might be something that happens, I would
think, for instance, to a lot ofwomen.
One of the major labels that youmight have is mom.
Pjae (03:55):
Yes.
And then
Jim (03:56):
there comes a point when that's not your label anymore.
I mean, it is, but it's not Imean, it
Pjae (04:01):
denesters.
It's not as As, as right in yourface, it's not just there and,
and, and urgent as it was whenthe kids were small.
You've got to get them.
One of the, the, the goals,seriously, I mean, people laugh
and think I'm kidding, but I'mnot.
The serious goal that I had formy son, who's very different
than my daughter, was to makesure he was alive at 18.
Because he, he did some boystuff, you know, that that I,
(04:24):
that made me concerned that hewasn't going to make it to be an
adult.
And so I felt like my job was tomake sure he at least got.
To be an adult in his life, tolive, to see what, you know,
what else he wanted to be.
But after that, after he was an,as he, I don't have, I'm not in
charge of that anymore.
And now I have to actuallyinvite him in and invite myself
to just even have theconversations with him.
Because he's an adult.
(04:44):
He doesn't need my advice.
Jim (04:46):
Right.
And certainly doesn't want it.
And so that's the interestingthing.
When that label is at least notthe, the top one on your list of
labels.
Pjae (04:53):
Exactly.
Then what is?
Jim (04:54):
Then, yes, what is?
Who, who are you without thatlabel?
Pjae (04:59):
This is the thing, this is what sends a lot of people into
a tailspin.
Because you don't necessarilythink about what's next when
you're in the middle of whatyou're doing now.
Sometimes what next?
What's next?
You know, it's coming, you know,it's like, you know, you're
going to turn 25 you're not 25,you're not 30.
So you don't know how to behavelike that until you get there,
(05:21):
right?
So it's the same thing for allof us.
So until we get to a place wherewe're no longer a mom, maybe
you're no longer a wife, maybeno longer a husband.
Maybe that relationship haschanged.
Maybe you're a daughter, but youno longer have a mom here with
you now.
Right, right.
And that could be verydevastating for some people.
Anyway, the point being that wedo evolve.
We do change.
Because life evolves andchanges.
(05:43):
So it's really, to me, acritical thing.
I actually do it every year.
You don't have to do it often,but I actually do it every year.
Is to look at my values, andsay, and really just the top
five.
Because there's so many valuesyou can have.
But I believe if you have a topfive umbrella, you're Of things
that matter to you and notthings that people say should
matter.
(06:05):
But what actually matters toyou.
When you know that, so this isabout discovering what matters
to you.
And sometimes, when you're in arelationship, it's what matters
to us.
Because it makes therelationship work better and so
when you come out of thatrelationship you have to re
evaluate that so that was a partOf the relationship the couple
(06:25):
thing but as an individual thatdoesn't really matter that much
to me
Jim (06:28):
Well and in a less than ideal situation it might also
not be what matters to us Butwhat matters to the other person
exactly
Pjae (06:34):
correct exactly correct and we do things we make we make
sacrifices on both sides That'slike we make sacrifices, and
it's not a Huge sacrificebecause the the the ideal that
you want is a good relationship.
And so we we Sacrifice if youwant to use that word certain
things that would have done ifwe were single that we wouldn't
(06:55):
do we were As a married couplebecause it's not good for the
relationship.
Yeah, so rethinking those things
Jim (07:03):
Yeah So how What Methods are there for getting to that
point for, for, for, for findingwhat those five things are.
Exactly.
I mean, it's not like you canjust sit down and say, okay,
what five things?
Pjae (07:18):
Exactly.
And so actually, this is, thisis where the Googler comes in.
I actually use Google to justGoogle what are Just give me a
list of, actually probably AI,you can do this as well now.
Just give me a list of, and howmany do you want to go through?
So give me a list of a hundredvalues.
Give me a list of three hundredvalues.
I actually have, when I do aworkshop, I have a list of three
(07:38):
hundred values.
And I tell people, you know,take, just take ten, twenty
minutes, whatever jumps out atyou, just read them over.
You don't have to study them,just read them over.
If you don't even know what itmeans, move on.
Because it doesn't really meananything to you.
But when you look at somethingand it resonates.
When I looked at spirituality,it resonates.
When I looked at love, it, myheart just jumped.
(08:01):
It was so, it was so wonderful.
When I was at kindness, sothere's, so there's a number of
things that you can look at thatsay, yeah, I'd like to be kind,
but love matters more, or familymatters more, or, you know what
I mean?
So, and so you just kind ofwhittle them down to, I don't
know, 50?
You just keep whittling themdown, and then you live with it.
And so what you, what I, what Irecommend is that you look at
(08:23):
those values and, you know, tryto get Some that you, a handful,
let's just say 10, and then walkaround in your life with those
kind of 10 things in mind.
Remind yourself, you can put itin your wallet, put it in your
purse, and you can see it, youcan put it on your wall, and
say, okay, so today I'm going toshow up as these 10 things.
So, you know, courageous.
(08:44):
You know impeccable with my wordwhatever those things might be
and see as you're going upthrough your day Which one
actually shows up the most whichone do you actually use the most
which one resonates the most?
So when you're in a conversationwith someone when you decide to
make a decision about somethingWhich one of those values
actually helps guide you and sosome of those will drop off
because you know I don'tactually use this because this
(09:06):
other one overrides all of themanyway So you'll find that
there'll be some overridingvalues that all the other
things, a number of the otherthings, are subsumed underneath
them.
Jim (09:16):
And so how does that help with manifestation?
Pjae (09:19):
So again, because you get to be clear about who you are
and what matters to you.
There's energy around thesevalues, about how you show up.
And so, when you're looking athow you want to manifest the
life that you want, because it'snot just manifesting things,
it's manifesting a life.
And these things are in yourlife.
So, manifesting a life meansmanifesting your life.
(09:42):
And so your life has to includewhat matters to you.
And so it begins with knowingwho you are.
What matters the most to you.
That's where it starts.
Jim (09:52):
Yeah.
I know some, I don't know if youwould agree with this, but there
certainly are some sources thatsay you already have everything,
it's just a matter of allowingit.
In
Pjae (10:07):
terms of the universe being
Jim (10:08):
abundant.
Yes.
I mean, whatever, whatever it isyou,
Pjae (10:11):
yeah.
Okay.
So let me just restate that.
I get that.
I get what you're saying.
And so I think what it couldmean actually, is that
everything is already available.
Yes.
Yeah.
I didn't mean that you alreadyhave it in your hand,
Jim (10:22):
but it is there.
It is
Pjae (10:24):
available because the universe is abundant and you are
a part of the universe, so itmeans that you can draw to you.
Whatever you like, but whathappens is, and this is going to
be as we move forward into thismanifestation process, there are
other things that we're going tobe talking about in order for
you to draw those things intoyour life.
So the first thing becomes, youbecome a magnet to, and attract
(10:48):
who you are.
You're attracting your life, whoyou are, the places, the people,
the circumstances.
So if you're a person that's a,that's a loving person, you're
going to attract loving people,people that aren't.
will not care for you.
They, they, they will not beattracted to you or you can see
right away that they don't agreewith you.
And so they're not, they're not,they're not, they don't care for
(11:09):
how you show up.
And that's fine.
You're not going to be foreverybody.
Everybody isn't going to be foryou.
That's okay.
We don't need a million peoplein our lives.
We need a circle of friends.
We need a circle of people thatwe support that support us.
Jim (11:21):
Yeah, some, some of us seem to need a million people in our
lives, but yes.
Pjae (11:25):
Yeah.
But in reality, in a physicalworld, you know, what do you,
who, what, who can you reallycount on?
One of the, one of the, I lovethis term, which is a ride or
die.
It's a little bit difficult.
I mean, it's a little toughsaying to say that, but it's the
person who I know will show upfor me.
And I will show up for them.
(11:47):
These are the kinds of people,not everybody in my circle is
that person.
How many, how many of thosepeople do you actually have?
I know my sister will show upfor me and I'll show up for her.
I know this.
My daughter, my son.
There's some people that I knowI'll show up for and some
people, well, if it'sconvenient, I'll, may show up,
may not.
But that doesn't have anythingto do with your values.
(12:07):
But the, in terms of yourvalues, those will actually help
you with saying, who will youshow up for?
Who will you show up, ride ordie, because of what you, what
you value.
And for me, it is family andcommunity.
They're in my top five.
Family means a lot to me.
So does my spiritual community.
So I'll, so they're in my topfive.
Jim (12:27):
Yeah.
And and to be clear, we're notprescribing that.
You, listener, should have thosesame values.
Thank you for saying that.
Because I, for instance, havevery little family, and so my
take on that is a totallydifferent thing.
Pjae (12:41):
Exactly correct.
Exactly
Jim (12:43):
correct.
And yours might be as well.
Pjae (12:45):
Exactly.
And so, and I'm so glad youbrought that up, because if
those are in my top five, theway that I behave then becomes
what my family calls, my familyneeds me.
They're, they're, they, they,they, they're higher in my
priority in terms of rearrangingmy schedule to help them, to be
around them.
They're very important, andanyone who knows me knows that I
(13:07):
drop pretty much everything tobe around my family, to help
friends, and, and my, and myinner circle.
That's, that's what I do,because that's what matters to
me.
So you can begin to see howhaving your values clarified
will help you make decisions.
So you don't have to everysingle time you make a decision
sit down and think about.
Well, should I do this?
Should I do that?
(13:27):
They're in your top five.
It's going to be pretty much ano brainer what you should do.
What you want to do and how youwant to show up.
And who you want to show up for.
Jim (13:36):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I've run out of questions.
Pjae (13:42):
I mean, it's just kind of an ongoing situation, but the
bottom line that I want to shareis that you can have as many as
you want.
The reason why I recommend five.
It's because it's something youcan handle.
It's something you can keep inthe, you know, it's like we, and
I don't know that this is thecase now, but when we used to
come up with phone numbers, it'sbecause we can keep seven
numbers in our head at once.
(14:02):
And so I say five.
You can keep that in your head.
You can walk around.
So what I call the top fivevalues is your DRM, which is
your daily road map.
Daily road map.
DRM.
How am I going to show up foreverything in my life today?
How am I going to show up?
And so if I know who I am, Iknow how I want to show up, and
(14:24):
at the end of the day, I don'thave regrets.
I showed up as me.
Maybe everything didn't work outthe way I wanted, maybe I didn't
get all I wanted, but I showedup as me.
What else is there?
Jim (14:37):
Okay, we can stop there for this episode, and we'll see you
the next time when we have thesecond part of the Manifestation
series, whatever its title maybe.
Thank you for being with us, andwe'll see you then.
Hello, and welcome to Decide on Joy, a podcast coming
to you from Harmony SpiritualCenter in Fort Worth, Texas.
My name is Jim Kovalt.
Pjae (00:09):
And my name is Rev.
Dr.
P.
J.
Stanley.
Jim (00:12):
And today We're talking about Manifestation.
This is the first of a four partseries on Manifestation, if we
stick to the plan.
And yes, yes.
And we think maybe all thetitles begin with D, but
certainly this one does.
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
This is called Discover.
Pjae (00:34):
Discover.
Jim (00:35):
And how is that the first part, the first step?
So
Pjae (00:40):
to, for, for me, for my understanding of how we move
forward into the future, we haveto discover who we are.
There's no point in trying todesign a future, then you get
there and it's not somethingthat you want to do.
So the beginning thing beginswith everything, whether you're
looking at a vision, or whetheryou're looking at manifestation.
It's to make sure that you arewalking into it knowing exactly
(01:01):
who you are and what matters toyou.
Because all of those things aregoing to go forward with you.
So if you're a person, let's saythat that you think love is, is
the highest, is the highestprinciple.
And you don't conclude that inknowing that's what you are.
You try to manifest and love isnot available.
It's not there because that'snot.
It's not something that'sautomatically what you do or
bring to the table, you're notgoing to be happy there.
(01:23):
And so you may or may not getwhere you say you want to go,
but you won't be happy, youwon't stay.
So it's really this is, this isbased on, on my experience of
life.
Having had some successes atthings, having failures at
things.
This is what I think life isactually about.
It's high school, it's college,it's always learning if you're
(01:43):
open to learning.
Who we were and who we are atone age or one place in our life
is different from who we aregoing to be at another stage.
So constantly looking at andsaying, well, who am I now in
this place?
And did all those values comewith me?
Or did I understand that there'ssomething that means something
more to me than I knew before?
Yeah.
(02:04):
So it's really important that wedo that.
I,
Jim (02:06):
I recently saw someone else talking about this and at a
different angle on it.
But he said, the thing is youhave to tell the truth.
And what he was saying was, it'syour truth.
Pjae (02:18):
Your truth.
Jim (02:19):
Who you actually are, not necessarily what labels you have
acquired over time.
Correct.
Pjae (02:25):
Correct.
And certainly who you've beentold you are.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So many of us have.
A lot of paradigms, a lot ofrules for living a lot of labels
that we're living with and we'reunaware until it's no longer
working for us.
As long as things are working,you know, everything seems to be
working, it's okay.
It's when you come up againstsomething, it stops working, and
(02:45):
you're having to change, move,shift, then you start asking
questions.
What the heck happened?
Why is that, why is that notworking the way it used to work?
So, one of the things, becausewe evolve.
Hopefully, if we're living andlearning we're evolving into
different people.
Someone asked you today whetheryou still go to the, go to the
theater.
Right.
Because you have a theaterbackground, and so that's,
(03:07):
that's a label that you carry.
And you don't.
I'm a singer, but I don't goaround singing anymore.
I mean, I do sing when I wantto, but I don't have a band.
I don't do, because, and I haveto look at that and think, well,
why did I love it so much when Iwas doing it?
But now it has, No real interestto me.
I'm okay with jamming, and youknow, I like singing, but I
don't want to make a career outof it, because something greater
has come up in my life, andsinging was for me, and it
(03:31):
always will be for me, but whatI am doing now is about who I
am, who I'm here, and I believewe're all here to do something
in particular this is about whoI am here to be and to do, and
so, that's changed.
And so you've got to reevaluate.
Jim (03:45):
And sometimes it might be something that happens, I would
think, for instance, to a lot ofwomen.
One of the major labels that youmight have is mom.
Pjae (03:55):
Yes.
And then
Jim (03:56):
there comes a point when that's not your label anymore.
I mean, it is, but it's not Imean, it
Pjae (04:01):
denesters.
It's not as As, as right in yourface, it's not just there and,
and, and urgent as it was whenthe kids were small.
You've got to get them.
One of the, the, the goals,seriously, I mean, people laugh
and think I'm kidding, but I'mnot.
The serious goal that I had formy son, who's very different
than my daughter, was to makesure he was alive at 18.
Because he, he did some boystuff, you know, that that I,
(04:24):
that made me concerned that hewasn't going to make it to be an
adult.
And so I felt like my job was tomake sure he at least got.
To be an adult in his life, tolive, to see what, you know,
what else he wanted to be.
But after that, after he was an,as he, I don't have, I'm not in
charge of that anymore.
And now I have to actuallyinvite him in and invite myself
to just even have theconversations with him.
Because he's an adult.
(04:44):
He doesn't need my advice.
Jim (04:46):
Right.
And certainly doesn't want it.
And so that's the interestingthing.
When that label is at least notthe, the top one on your list of
labels.
Pjae (04:53):
Exactly.
Then what is?
Jim (04:54):
Then, yes, what is?
Who, who are you without thatlabel?
Pjae (04:59):
This is the thing, this is what sends a lot of people into
a tailspin.
Because you don't necessarilythink about what's next when
you're in the middle of whatyou're doing now.
Sometimes what next?
What's next?
You know, it's coming, you know,it's like, you know, you're
going to turn 25 you're not 25,you're not 30.
So you don't know how to behavelike that until you get there,
(05:21):
right?
So it's the same thing for allof us.
So until we get to a place wherewe're no longer a mom, maybe
you're no longer a wife, maybeno longer a husband.
Maybe that relationship haschanged.
Maybe you're a daughter, but youno longer have a mom here with
you now.
Right, right.
And that could be verydevastating for some people.
Anyway, the point being that wedo evolve.
We do change.
Because life evolves andchanges.
(05:43):
So it's really, to me, acritical thing.
I actually do it every year.
You don't have to do it often,but I actually do it every year.
Is to look at my values, andsay, and really just the top
five.
Because there's so many valuesyou can have.
But I believe if you have a topfive umbrella, you're Of things
that matter to you and notthings that people say should
matter.
(06:05):
But what actually matters toyou.
When you know that, so this isabout discovering what matters
to you.
And sometimes, when you're in arelationship, it's what matters
to us.
Because it makes therelationship work better and so
when you come out of thatrelationship you have to re
evaluate that so that was a partOf the relationship the couple
(06:25):
thing but as an individual thatdoesn't really matter that much
to me
Jim (06:28):
Well and in a less than ideal situation it might also
not be what matters to us Butwhat matters to the other person
exactly
Pjae (06:34):
correct exactly correct and we do things we make we make
sacrifices on both sides That'slike we make sacrifices, and
it's not a Huge sacrificebecause the the the ideal that
you want is a good relationship.
And so we we Sacrifice if youwant to use that word certain
things that would have done ifwe were single that we wouldn't
(06:55):
do we were As a married couplebecause it's not good for the
relationship.
Yeah, so rethinking those things
Jim (07:03):
Yeah So how What Methods are there for getting to that
point for, for, for, for findingwhat those five things are.
Exactly.
I mean, it's not like you canjust sit down and say, okay,
what five things?
Pjae (07:18):
Exactly.
And so actually, this is, thisis where the Googler comes in.
I actually use Google to justGoogle what are Just give me a
list of, actually probably AI,you can do this as well now.
Just give me a list of, and howmany do you want to go through?
So give me a list of a hundredvalues.
Give me a list of three hundredvalues.
I actually have, when I do aworkshop, I have a list of three
(07:38):
hundred values.
And I tell people, you know,take, just take ten, twenty
minutes, whatever jumps out atyou, just read them over.
You don't have to study them,just read them over.
If you don't even know what itmeans, move on.
Because it doesn't really meananything to you.
But when you look at somethingand it resonates.
When I looked at spirituality,it resonates.
When I looked at love, it, myheart just jumped.
(08:01):
It was so, it was so wonderful.
When I was at kindness, sothere's, so there's a number of
things that you can look at thatsay, yeah, I'd like to be kind,
but love matters more, or familymatters more, or, you know what
I mean?
So, and so you just kind ofwhittle them down to, I don't
know, 50?
You just keep whittling themdown, and then you live with it.
And so what you, what I, what Irecommend is that you look at
(08:23):
those values and, you know, tryto get Some that you, a handful,
let's just say 10, and then walkaround in your life with those
kind of 10 things in mind.
Remind yourself, you can put itin your wallet, put it in your
purse, and you can see it, youcan put it on your wall, and
say, okay, so today I'm going toshow up as these 10 things.
So, you know, courageous.
(08:44):
You know impeccable with my wordwhatever those things might be
and see as you're going upthrough your day Which one
actually shows up the most whichone do you actually use the most
which one resonates the most?
So when you're in a conversationwith someone when you decide to
make a decision about somethingWhich one of those values
actually helps guide you and sosome of those will drop off
because you know I don'tactually use this because this
(09:06):
other one overrides all of themanyway So you'll find that
there'll be some overridingvalues that all the other
things, a number of the otherthings, are subsumed underneath
them.
Jim (09:16):
And so how does that help with manifestation?
Pjae (09:19):
So again, because you get to be clear about who you are
and what matters to you.
There's energy around thesevalues, about how you show up.
And so, when you're looking athow you want to manifest the
life that you want, because it'snot just manifesting things,
it's manifesting a life.
And these things are in yourlife.
So, manifesting a life meansmanifesting your life.
(09:42):
And so your life has to includewhat matters to you.
And so it begins with knowingwho you are.
What matters the most to you.
That's where it starts.
Jim (09:52):
Yeah.
I know some, I don't know if youwould agree with this, but there
certainly are some sources thatsay you already have everything,
it's just a matter of allowingit.
In
Pjae (10:07):
terms of the universe being
Jim (10:08):
abundant.
Yes.
I mean, whatever, whatever it isyou,
Pjae (10:11):
yeah.
Okay.
So let me just restate that.
I get that.
I get what you're saying.
And so I think what it couldmean actually, is that
everything is already available.
Yes.
Yeah.
I didn't mean that you alreadyhave it in your hand,
Jim (10:22):
but it is there.
It is
Pjae (10:24):
available because the universe is abundant and you are
a part of the universe, so itmeans that you can draw to you.
Whatever you like, but whathappens is, and this is going to
be as we move forward into thismanifestation process, there are
other things that we're going tobe talking about in order for
you to draw those things intoyour life.
So the first thing becomes, youbecome a magnet to, and attract
(10:48):
who you are.
You're attracting your life, whoyou are, the places, the people,
the circumstances.
So if you're a person that's a,that's a loving person, you're
going to attract loving people,people that aren't.
will not care for you.
They, they, they will not beattracted to you or you can see
right away that they don't agreewith you.
And so they're not, they're not,they're not, they don't care for
(11:09):
how you show up.
And that's fine.
You're not going to be foreverybody.
Everybody isn't going to be foryou.
That's okay.
We don't need a million peoplein our lives.
We need a circle of friends.
We need a circle of people thatwe support that support us.
Jim (11:21):
Yeah, some, some of us seem to need a million people in our
lives, but yes.
Pjae (11:25):
Yeah.
But in reality, in a physicalworld, you know, what do you,
who, what, who can you reallycount on?
One of the, one of the, I lovethis term, which is a ride or
die.
It's a little bit difficult.
I mean, it's a little toughsaying to say that, but it's the
person who I know will show upfor me.
And I will show up for them.
(11:47):
These are the kinds of people,not everybody in my circle is
that person.
How many, how many of thosepeople do you actually have?
I know my sister will show upfor me and I'll show up for her.
I know this.
My daughter, my son.
There's some people that I knowI'll show up for and some
people, well, if it'sconvenient, I'll, may show up,
may not.
But that doesn't have anythingto do with your values.
(12:07):
But the, in terms of yourvalues, those will actually help
you with saying, who will youshow up for?
Who will you show up, ride ordie, because of what you, what
you value.
And for me, it is family andcommunity.
They're in my top five.
Family means a lot to me.
So does my spiritual community.
So I'll, so they're in my topfive.
Jim (12:27):
Yeah.
And and to be clear, we're notprescribing that.
You, listener, should have thosesame values.
Thank you for saying that.
Because I, for instance, havevery little family, and so my
take on that is a totallydifferent thing.
Pjae (12:41):
Exactly correct.
Exactly
Jim (12:43):
correct.
And yours might be as well.
Pjae (12:45):
Exactly.
And so, and I'm so glad youbrought that up, because if
those are in my top five, theway that I behave then becomes
what my family calls, my familyneeds me.
They're, they're, they, they,they, they're higher in my
priority in terms of rearrangingmy schedule to help them, to be
around them.
They're very important, andanyone who knows me knows that I
(13:07):
drop pretty much everything tobe around my family, to help
friends, and, and my, and myinner circle.
That's, that's what I do,because that's what matters to
me.
So you can begin to see howhaving your values clarified
will help you make decisions.
So you don't have to everysingle time you make a decision
sit down and think about.
Well, should I do this?
Should I do that?
(13:27):
They're in your top five.
It's going to be pretty much ano brainer what you should do.
What you want to do and how youwant to show up.
And who you want to show up for.
Jim (13:36):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I've run out of questions.
Pjae (13:42):
I mean, it's just kind of an ongoing situation, but the
bottom line that I want to shareis that you can have as many as
you want.
The reason why I recommend five.
It's because it's something youcan handle.
It's something you can keep inthe, you know, it's like we, and
I don't know that this is thecase now, but when we used to
come up with phone numbers, it'sbecause we can keep seven
numbers in our head at once.
(14:02):
And so I say five.
You can keep that in your head.
You can walk around.
So what I call the top fivevalues is your DRM, which is
your daily road map.
Daily road map.
DRM.
How am I going to show up foreverything in my life today?
How am I going to show up?
And so if I know who I am, Iknow how I want to show up, and
(14:24):
at the end of the day, I don'thave regrets.
I showed up as me.
Maybe everything didn't work outthe way I wanted, maybe I didn't
get all I wanted, but I showedup as me.
What else is there?
Jim (14:37):
Okay, we can stop there for this episode, and we'll see you
the next time when we have thesecond part of the Manifestation
series, whatever its title maybe.
Thank you for being with us, andwe'll see you then.
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