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Jim (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to this week's episode of Decide on Joy,
a podcast coming to you fromHarmony Spiritual Center in Fort
Worth, Texas.
My name is Jim Covalt.
Pjae (00:12):
And my name is Rev.
Dr.
P.
J.
Stanley.
Welcome.
Jim (00:15):
And today we're moving into the second episode or part or
whatever of a series aboutmanifestation.
I The topic that's justeverywhere in the culture at the
moment, but I think it's been apart of the new thought world
all along.
I mean, our website on thehomepage, it says, create your
(00:40):
best life.
Pjae (00:41):
Yeah, that's what we're about, just, you know, we're,
we're creating all the time,what we're talking about is
intentionality.
Jim (00:45):
Right.
Pjae (00:46):
Yes.
Jim (00:47):
So, the first part, we talked about discovering who you
are about values and how youshow up and what matters to you
and things, so, maybe a quickreview of what that
Pjae (01:00):
Exactly.
So, we so, we, we're, it's afour part thing, and so we're,
we're talking about how wediscover who we are, exactly, so
this is, and this is in order.
You have to know who you are,discover who you are, then
decide for it and then youdetermine That you're going to
say yes to it, because you candecide who you are and all that,
but to not say yes to it, it'snot going to happen.
And then, there's activities,things that you have to do, so
(01:22):
you decide you've got to get upoff the couch, or wherever
you're sitting, or whateveryou're doing and do that, which
is related to what you say thatyou want.
So, it's a four part Situation,just distinction, so that you
know, if something's nothappening in your life, it's not
coming in the way you want.
You can look at this thing andthink, well, okay, did I, did I
completely discover all that I,that who I am?
(01:43):
It, cause it's not just a matterof discovering who you are, it's
also discovering who you're not.
Like, what, what you love andwhat you don't love, what you
stand for and what you, what yousay no, that's, that, that can't
be happening, I don't want thatin my life.
So, it's a, it's a number ofthings that go along with the
discovery process.
And so, then once you, you, youdetermine, or you know, you
discover who you are what, whatvalues matter to you.
(02:07):
And I'm in this, in this placein my journey.
Of of discovery myself andexpansion of how to make it as
easy as possible for people torecognize who they are.
I'm, I'm finding different waysin which we do that.
And so, so we look at Who weare.
Claiming who we are.
The discovery process is alittle bit more than I had
(02:28):
thought it was going to be.
And that's okay because when we,We think that we're something
because of how we've beenraised.
We have what we call paradigms.
Ways of being that aren'tnecessarily who we are.
They're habitual ways of being.
Right.
Right?
Yeah.
And so when we're looking at thediscovery part, We may say that
this is who we are.
But when we go to do it, wethink, you know what?
(02:49):
I think that was my mom.
I think that's actuallysomething I care for.
You know what I
Jim (02:53):
mean?
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and, you know, I justreviewing that, that last
episode, I, there was all thisabout, you know, determining
what your primary values are andthings.
And I thought, well, maybe Iactually need to do that,
because a lot of the time, Itend to have no idea who I am.
Pjae (03:13):
I understand that.
A lot of people don't.
You know, not until you come upagainst something that's
bothering you, is when you say,why is that bothering me?
Jim (03:21):
Yeah.
Pjae (03:22):
And, you know, it's not great for the value.
Jim (03:24):
For quite a long time, I was an actor, and that, of
course, you recognize that youhave a whole lot of different
Pjae (03:32):
Absolutely.
Jim (03:33):
parts of you that You do.
You do.
That you can utilize in thatprofession, but it doesn't
necessarily help you to know whoyou are.
Correct.
Pjae (03:46):
Correct.
Correct.
It's a part we're playing.
And I love that you brought thatup, because a lot of us are
playing a part.
We're playing a role.
That was given to us, that weassumed it was us, that we, you
know, the, the collective, thecollective consciousness says
this is how we're supposed tobe.
But in fact, in our heart ofhearts, we don't, we don't
believe that.
We don't want that.
(04:07):
And so that's where we kind ofcome up against it.
So it's a, it's a process.
Yeah.
You know, it's not, it's notjust sit down one day and write
it all out and then there yougo.
No.
No.
We're much more complicated thanthat.
Jim (04:17):
Yes.
But assuming that you had donethat, and you get there, then
deciding what you want howspecific is that?
I mean, is it
Pjae (04:30):
I know.
I mean,
Jim (04:33):
and is there, are there any limits?
Pjae (04:36):
Is there what now?
Jim (04:37):
Are there any limits?
Pjae (04:38):
Well so when, yes, because if what you want is, is wrapped
around what someone else has, orwhat someone else is doing, or
you have to bring someone elseinto the picture, you have no
control over what they do.
So, So deciding what you wantdoesn't necessarily mean you're
going to get it.
But it does let you know whatyou're willing to do.
(05:00):
You know, how much of that doyou actually want in your life.
So when I say what I want, orwhat you want, what we're
talking about is really whatmatters to you.
We talked about the values andthings like that.
So really what you want iswrapped up in what you value.
So, for instance, I really valueloving people, unconditionally.
I, I, I really value that, and alot of people don't understand
(05:23):
that.
Like, how can you love someonewho is, I don't know, something
that you don't admire, orsomething that you had to deal
with as a, as a child orwhatever, and so that's
something you don't care for,like a, a, a drunken parent, or,
you know, so you don't care foralcoholics.
But just because you don't carefor their behavior, It doesn't
mean that you don't love them asa human being and care for them.
So to, so just getting thatstraight in your own head is one
(05:46):
thing.
So, when I, when, with who I amas someone who loves
unconditionally, then that's,that's that's what I want.
But do I actually show up asthat?
So that's the reason we want toget really clear about what
matters to you.
Because even though it matters,it doesn't necessarily mean
you're going to be able to showup in that way all the time.
Jim (06:07):
Right.
Pjae (06:08):
Right?
Jim (06:08):
Right.
You
Pjae (06:09):
have to give yourself grace for that.
Jim (06:11):
So, I think for most people when we talk about manifesting,
I would tend to think of it inmore concrete terms.
Okay.
Than what you're talking aboutthere, not to say that, but I'm,
and maybe that's wrong.
But you know, to say I, I want arelationship or I want a new car
or I want a different house orI,
Pjae (06:34):
yes.
Yes, it could be those physicalthings, those, and it could be
emotional things, it could beabout what you want your life to
look like as far as who you wantto be when you grow up, if you
ever do you know what I mean,there's that or it could be
actual physical things, like youjust said, a car, a house, a
better life, more, more monies,more wealth.
And again, The, the reason whyyou're trying to clarify that
(06:57):
and figure out who you are,because again, for another
example is that there issomething in the, in the, in
the, in the consciousness, notfor everyone, but for a lot of
people, particularly.
Religious people or people whoreally, you know, want to live
the way the Bible tells us thatwe should be living have a
problem with riches, have aproblem with wanting more money,
(07:21):
because money is the root of allevil, is a, is a, is a quote
that people use a lot, so youhave this thing where you have
to have money in order to, toeat, to eat, to buy food, to,
and you have other people Whoyou look at and judge and say,
well, why do they have so muchmoney?
They don't seem to be all that,you know, loving and caring, but
(07:41):
they seem to have a lot ofmoney.
So I'm missing something here.
Jim (07:45):
Yeah,
Pjae (07:45):
you know what I mean?
And so, so just trying to getreally clear about that and let
go of the paradigms that youhave around money.
There's money in itself.
It's not evil.
It's what you do with it.
It's what, what, how it Whatmatters to you about the money?
What are you doing with it?
You're right.
You need a car.
Why is it?
It's okay for you to have agreat car
Jim (08:06):
Yeah, and apparently money is not a reward for being a good
person.
It is
Pjae (08:10):
not That seems to be very apparent, but I think we have
some confusion about that, youknow?
And so, so just getting realclear about what you want, and
saying that, yes, you know what?
I do want riches.
I, I, and when I think aboutwhat I did with money, it is
about service to me, service tomy life.
I need to, put yourself in the,in the, in the dream, put
(08:34):
yourself in the life.
It's not just that you wantmoney to help other people,
which you do, you know, mostpeople do, they see someone that
needs it and they would love tohave it, to be able to help
someone, but you also need to beable to have the life that you
want, so the money goes for you,the riches go for you, as well
as for other people, so I wantenough, so that I can live the
(08:55):
life that I'd like to live, aswell as helping others do the
same, that's about being clear,about what matters to you, what
you want.
And that's why that's important,because there's a confusion
about a lot of things.
You know, just coming from the,again, from the consciousness,
and from the way we were born,and all of the paradigms that we
have about what's supposed tohappen, what should happen, what
(09:16):
makes a good person.
That's up to you to decide.
Jim (09:18):
Yes.
It really is.
And I suppose when, when you'redeciding what you want, there
are, I mean, this might besomething that Spirit would tell
you when you, when you ask, butthere may be practical limits.
I mean, if I decide, say, I wantto be President of the United
States, not for sure, but if Idid, well, probably I would have
(09:44):
needed to make that decision.
A bit earlier.
Pjae (09:47):
And here's the thing.
I love that.
I love that you said that.
Because if that is what youwanted, you would have made that
decision earlier on.
Jim (09:54):
Yes.
Pjae (09:54):
And so you can see that you clearly, it clearly didn't
matter, it wasn't something youwere aiming at.
You are absolutely a creative.
You're creative.
You are in the whole creativeworld.
Well, I'm sorry, creative peoplearen't going to be president of
the United States.
Or president of whatever.
I mean, you're going to becreative in a particular way.
(10:14):
But not as far as, you know,dramatics and, and, and, you
know.
plays and things like that.
So, I think early on you, youknow, more because you, you, and
I don't know that younecessarily know there could be
a trauma in your life that,that, that pushes you towards
one arena or another thinkingthat's what you want, such as I
(10:36):
know a lot of people who grew uppoor.
And decided early on, I'm nevergoing to be poor or be holding
to someone.
So did all they could to makemoney, to make sure that they
were never going to be that.
But that's not actually decidingor determining who you are or
what you want.
It's really saying what youdon't want.
(10:57):
You see, so that's thedifference.
That's one of the differences.
That's not one, any one way tolook at it.
There's a number of ways to lookat it, but, but determining who
you really are and what you wantand including in that what you
don't want, that actually drivesyou.
That's actually the energy thatdrives you forward into, into,
and our next thing would be whatyou decide, what you're going to
(11:19):
do at the end.
Yeah,
Jim (11:21):
the trick there being, at least according to some sources,
yes, deciding what you don'twant is part of the deal, but
then you can't focus on that.
No.
Because if you do
Pjae (11:34):
Correct.
Correct.
Yes, you actually are focusingon it and it'll come right into
your life.
The law of attraction does that.
So it's just kind of a thingthat you say, okay, I'm not, I
don't want that.
I'm not heading towards that.
And you don't hang, you don'thold it in your thought.
You just know that's not whereI'm going.
I'm going over here.
Yes.
So then you focus on where youwant to go.
(11:55):
Cause I think we talked aboutthis.
The Universal Laws an attractionis absolutely one that everybody
knows about.
Yeah,
Jim (12:01):
yeah.
Pjae (12:02):
And that has to do with what you focus on.
See
Jim (12:03):
a previous episode.
Okay.
So, yeah, and.
And I, we already covered this,but I think, I think, it's,
it's, it's important to, tofigure out which things that you
want are actually things thatyou want and not something
you've been told you shouldwant.
(12:25):
But
Pjae (12:25):
Yeah.
No, I, I agree.
I, you know, we, we've, we'vetalked, I think, on this
program, and certainly you and Ihave talked about it a lot that
the paradigm that I had forrelationships.
You know, what my role in arelationship was, and that was
not mine.
That was, but, but I lived withit a long time, many, many
years.
And all that I did in bothrelationships that I had serious
(12:49):
relationships that I had, I cameto it with that idea that this
is, that I was support staff,essentially.
Jim (12:56):
Huh.
Yes.
Yeah.
Pjae (12:58):
I was support staff.
Yeah.
And neither one of the, mypartners asked for that.
Yes.
Neither one of them.
So, when they weren't happy withme being support staff, I didn't
understand it, because I wasdoing, right, you know, I mean,
because that's not what theyasked for.
I
Jim (13:12):
know that territory, yes.
I got it.
Pjae (13:14):
Exactly.
Yes.
Exactly.
So, yeah, that was a paradigm,and it took me a long time to
finally recognize, you knowwhat?
They didn't ask for it, and Ididn't really want to do it.
Yeah.
Jim (13:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And of course there's also theaspect that what you want might
change over time.
Yes.
It's not like, Yes.
You can decide at 20, this iswhat I want.
And assume that's going to bethe case when you're 50.
Pjae (13:37):
Thank you so much.
That is a beautiful thought.
And a beautiful truth as well.
Because we have to allow for thefact that we are going to grow,
expand, and grow.
We're going to come acrossexperiences that say, Oh, look
at this! I could have, you know,you, you, you, you, you, you.
By degrees, you, you change, yougrow, you think, oh, wait a
(13:59):
minute, I was cutting myselfshort a little bit.
There's a little more than Ithought.
As you, as you, from, Lordknows, I don't want to do or be
what I was at 20.
That was not someone well, let'sjust say that I did not have the
worldly experience that I needto know to do what was right all
the time.
And, and, and I know that now,and I don't, I'm not angry with
(14:22):
that young person, that's ayoung person, growing and
understanding and hopefully Ihave, and, and, and from the age
that I am now to another, if Iget another 20 years, I'm going
to be different than my, whatI'm saying here on this show.
If I listen to myself 20 yearsfrom now, I may just say, well,
now, what are you talking about?
But, hopefully, we're speakinguniversal truths.
Jim (14:45):
Yes.
Pjae (14:45):
That's dope.
Jim (14:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And with that universal truth,we can stop this episode and
we'll see you for the next one,which is just, which is talking
about saying yes.
Yeah.
Pjae (14:58):
Determined.
Determined to say yes.
Yes.
Jim (15:00):
Good.
All right.
That's the end of this episode.
Thanks for being with us.
And we'll see you next time.
We will indeed.
Hello, and welcome to this week's episode of Decide on Joy,
a podcast coming to you fromHarmony Spiritual Center in Fort
Worth, Texas.
My name is Jim Covalt.
Pjae (00:12):
And my name is Rev.
Dr.
P.
J.
Stanley.
Welcome.
Jim (00:15):
And today we're moving into the second episode or part or
whatever of a series aboutmanifestation.
I The topic that's justeverywhere in the culture at the
moment, but I think it's been apart of the new thought world
all along.
I mean, our website on thehomepage, it says, create your
(00:40):
best life.
Pjae (00:41):
Yeah, that's what we're about, just, you know, we're,
we're creating all the time,what we're talking about is
intentionality.
Jim (00:45):
Right.
Pjae (00:46):
Yes.
Jim (00:47):
So, the first part, we talked about discovering who you
are about values and how youshow up and what matters to you
and things, so, maybe a quickreview of what that
Pjae (01:00):
Exactly.
So, we so, we, we're, it's afour part thing, and so we're,
we're talking about how wediscover who we are, exactly, so
this is, and this is in order.
You have to know who you are,discover who you are, then
decide for it and then youdetermine That you're going to
say yes to it, because you candecide who you are and all that,
but to not say yes to it, it'snot going to happen.
And then, there's activities,things that you have to do, so
(01:22):
you decide you've got to get upoff the couch, or wherever
you're sitting, or whateveryou're doing and do that, which
is related to what you say thatyou want.
So, it's a four part Situation,just distinction, so that you
know, if something's nothappening in your life, it's not
coming in the way you want.
You can look at this thing andthink, well, okay, did I, did I
completely discover all that I,that who I am?
(01:43):
It, cause it's not just a matterof discovering who you are, it's
also discovering who you're not.
Like, what, what you love andwhat you don't love, what you
stand for and what you, what yousay no, that's, that, that can't
be happening, I don't want thatin my life.
So, it's a, it's a number ofthings that go along with the
discovery process.
And so, then once you, you, youdetermine, or you know, you
discover who you are what, whatvalues matter to you.
(02:07):
And I'm in this, in this placein my journey.
Of of discovery myself andexpansion of how to make it as
easy as possible for people torecognize who they are.
I'm, I'm finding different waysin which we do that.
And so, so we look at Who weare.
Claiming who we are.
The discovery process is alittle bit more than I had
(02:28):
thought it was going to be.
And that's okay because when we,We think that we're something
because of how we've beenraised.
We have what we call paradigms.
Ways of being that aren'tnecessarily who we are.
They're habitual ways of being.
Right.
Right?
Yeah.
And so when we're looking at thediscovery part, We may say that
this is who we are.
But when we go to do it, wethink, you know what?
(02:49):
I think that was my mom.
I think that's actuallysomething I care for.
You know what I
Jim (02:53):
mean?
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and, you know, I justreviewing that, that last
episode, I, there was all thisabout, you know, determining
what your primary values are andthings.
And I thought, well, maybe Iactually need to do that,
because a lot of the time, Itend to have no idea who I am.
Pjae (03:13):
I understand that.
A lot of people don't.
You know, not until you come upagainst something that's
bothering you, is when you say,why is that bothering me?
Jim (03:21):
Yeah.
Pjae (03:22):
And, you know, it's not great for the value.
Jim (03:24):
For quite a long time, I was an actor, and that, of
course, you recognize that youhave a whole lot of different
Pjae (03:32):
Absolutely.
Jim (03:33):
parts of you that You do.
You do.
That you can utilize in thatprofession, but it doesn't
necessarily help you to know whoyou are.
Correct.
Pjae (03:46):
Correct.
Correct.
It's a part we're playing.
And I love that you brought thatup, because a lot of us are
playing a part.
We're playing a role.
That was given to us, that weassumed it was us, that we, you
know, the, the collective, thecollective consciousness says
this is how we're supposed tobe.
But in fact, in our heart ofhearts, we don't, we don't
believe that.
We don't want that.
(04:07):
And so that's where we kind ofcome up against it.
So it's a, it's a process.
Yeah.
You know, it's not, it's notjust sit down one day and write
it all out and then there yougo.
No.
No.
We're much more complicated thanthat.
Jim (04:17):
Yes.
But assuming that you had donethat, and you get there, then
deciding what you want howspecific is that?
I mean, is it
Pjae (04:30):
I know.
I mean,
Jim (04:33):
and is there, are there any limits?
Pjae (04:36):
Is there what now?
Jim (04:37):
Are there any limits?
Pjae (04:38):
Well so when, yes, because if what you want is, is wrapped
around what someone else has, orwhat someone else is doing, or
you have to bring someone elseinto the picture, you have no
control over what they do.
So, So deciding what you wantdoesn't necessarily mean you're
going to get it.
But it does let you know whatyou're willing to do.
(05:00):
You know, how much of that doyou actually want in your life.
So when I say what I want, orwhat you want, what we're
talking about is really whatmatters to you.
We talked about the values andthings like that.
So really what you want iswrapped up in what you value.
So, for instance, I really valueloving people, unconditionally.
I, I, I really value that, and alot of people don't understand
(05:23):
that.
Like, how can you love someonewho is, I don't know, something
that you don't admire, orsomething that you had to deal
with as a, as a child orwhatever, and so that's
something you don't care for,like a, a, a drunken parent, or,
you know, so you don't care foralcoholics.
But just because you don't carefor their behavior, It doesn't
mean that you don't love them asa human being and care for them.
So to, so just getting thatstraight in your own head is one
(05:46):
thing.
So, when I, when, with who I amas someone who loves
unconditionally, then that's,that's that's what I want.
But do I actually show up asthat?
So that's the reason we want toget really clear about what
matters to you.
Because even though it matters,it doesn't necessarily mean
you're going to be able to showup in that way all the time.
Jim (06:07):
Right.
Pjae (06:08):
Right?
Jim (06:08):
Right.
You
Pjae (06:09):
have to give yourself grace for that.
Jim (06:11):
So, I think for most people when we talk about manifesting,
I would tend to think of it inmore concrete terms.
Okay.
Than what you're talking aboutthere, not to say that, but I'm,
and maybe that's wrong.
But you know, to say I, I want arelationship or I want a new car
or I want a different house orI,
Pjae (06:34):
yes.
Yes, it could be those physicalthings, those, and it could be
emotional things, it could beabout what you want your life to
look like as far as who you wantto be when you grow up, if you
ever do you know what I mean,there's that or it could be
actual physical things, like youjust said, a car, a house, a
better life, more, more monies,more wealth.
And again, The, the reason whyyou're trying to clarify that
(06:57):
and figure out who you are,because again, for another
example is that there issomething in the, in the, in
the, in the consciousness, notfor everyone, but for a lot of
people, particularly.
Religious people or people whoreally, you know, want to live
the way the Bible tells us thatwe should be living have a
problem with riches, have aproblem with wanting more money,
(07:21):
because money is the root of allevil, is a, is a, is a quote
that people use a lot, so youhave this thing where you have
to have money in order to, toeat, to eat, to buy food, to,
and you have other people Whoyou look at and judge and say,
well, why do they have so muchmoney?
They don't seem to be all that,you know, loving and caring, but
(07:41):
they seem to have a lot ofmoney.
So I'm missing something here.
Jim (07:45):
Yeah,
Pjae (07:45):
you know what I mean?
And so, so just trying to getreally clear about that and let
go of the paradigms that youhave around money.
There's money in itself.
It's not evil.
It's what you do with it.
It's what, what, how it Whatmatters to you about the money?
What are you doing with it?
You're right.
You need a car.
Why is it?
It's okay for you to have agreat car
Jim (08:06):
Yeah, and apparently money is not a reward for being a good
person.
It is
Pjae (08:10):
not That seems to be very apparent, but I think we have
some confusion about that, youknow?
And so, so just getting realclear about what you want, and
saying that, yes, you know what?
I do want riches.
I, I, and when I think aboutwhat I did with money, it is
about service to me, service tomy life.
I need to, put yourself in the,in the, in the dream, put
(08:34):
yourself in the life.
It's not just that you wantmoney to help other people,
which you do, you know, mostpeople do, they see someone that
needs it and they would love tohave it, to be able to help
someone, but you also need to beable to have the life that you
want, so the money goes for you,the riches go for you, as well
as for other people, so I wantenough, so that I can live the
(08:55):
life that I'd like to live, aswell as helping others do the
same, that's about being clear,about what matters to you, what
you want.
And that's why that's important,because there's a confusion
about a lot of things.
You know, just coming from the,again, from the consciousness,
and from the way we were born,and all of the paradigms that we
have about what's supposed tohappen, what should happen, what
(09:16):
makes a good person.
That's up to you to decide.
Jim (09:18):
Yes.
It really is.
And I suppose when, when you'redeciding what you want, there
are, I mean, this might besomething that Spirit would tell
you when you, when you ask, butthere may be practical limits.
I mean, if I decide, say, I wantto be President of the United
States, not for sure, but if Idid, well, probably I would have
(09:44):
needed to make that decision.
A bit earlier.
Pjae (09:47):
And here's the thing.
I love that.
I love that you said that.
Because if that is what youwanted, you would have made that
decision earlier on.
Jim (09:54):
Yes.
Pjae (09:54):
And so you can see that you clearly, it clearly didn't
matter, it wasn't something youwere aiming at.
You are absolutely a creative.
You're creative.
You are in the whole creativeworld.
Well, I'm sorry, creative peoplearen't going to be president of
the United States.
Or president of whatever.
I mean, you're going to becreative in a particular way.
(10:14):
But not as far as, you know,dramatics and, and, and, you
know.
plays and things like that.
So, I think early on you, youknow, more because you, you, and
I don't know that younecessarily know there could be
a trauma in your life that,that, that pushes you towards
one arena or another thinkingthat's what you want, such as I
(10:36):
know a lot of people who grew uppoor.
And decided early on, I'm nevergoing to be poor or be holding
to someone.
So did all they could to makemoney, to make sure that they
were never going to be that.
But that's not actually decidingor determining who you are or
what you want.
It's really saying what youdon't want.
(10:57):
You see, so that's thedifference.
That's one of the differences.
That's not one, any one way tolook at it.
There's a number of ways to lookat it, but, but determining who
you really are and what you wantand including in that what you
don't want, that actually drivesyou.
That's actually the energy thatdrives you forward into, into,
and our next thing would be whatyou decide, what you're going to
(11:19):
do at the end.
Yeah,
Jim (11:21):
the trick there being, at least according to some sources,
yes, deciding what you don'twant is part of the deal, but
then you can't focus on that.
No.
Because if you do
Pjae (11:34):
Correct.
Correct.
Yes, you actually are focusingon it and it'll come right into
your life.
The law of attraction does that.
So it's just kind of a thingthat you say, okay, I'm not, I
don't want that.
I'm not heading towards that.
And you don't hang, you don'thold it in your thought.
You just know that's not whereI'm going.
I'm going over here.
Yes.
So then you focus on where youwant to go.
(11:55):
Cause I think we talked aboutthis.
The Universal Laws an attractionis absolutely one that everybody
knows about.
Yeah,
Jim (12:01):
yeah.
Pjae (12:02):
And that has to do with what you focus on.
See
Jim (12:03):
a previous episode.
Okay.
So, yeah, and.
And I, we already covered this,but I think, I think, it's,
it's, it's important to, tofigure out which things that you
want are actually things thatyou want and not something
you've been told you shouldwant.
(12:25):
But
Pjae (12:25):
Yeah.
No, I, I agree.
I, you know, we, we've, we'vetalked, I think, on this
program, and certainly you and Ihave talked about it a lot that
the paradigm that I had forrelationships.
You know, what my role in arelationship was, and that was
not mine.
That was, but, but I lived withit a long time, many, many
years.
And all that I did in bothrelationships that I had serious
(12:49):
relationships that I had, I cameto it with that idea that this
is, that I was support staff,essentially.
Jim (12:56):
Huh.
Yes.
Yeah.
Pjae (12:58):
I was support staff.
Yeah.
And neither one of the, mypartners asked for that.
Yes.
Neither one of them.
So, when they weren't happy withme being support staff, I didn't
understand it, because I wasdoing, right, you know, I mean,
because that's not what theyasked for.
I
Jim (13:12):
know that territory, yes.
I got it.
Pjae (13:14):
Exactly.
Yes.
Exactly.
So, yeah, that was a paradigm,and it took me a long time to
finally recognize, you knowwhat?
They didn't ask for it, and Ididn't really want to do it.
Yeah.
Jim (13:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And of course there's also theaspect that what you want might
change over time.
Yes.
It's not like, Yes.
You can decide at 20, this iswhat I want.
And assume that's going to bethe case when you're 50.
Pjae (13:37):
Thank you so much.
That is a beautiful thought.
And a beautiful truth as well.
Because we have to allow for thefact that we are going to grow,
expand, and grow.
We're going to come acrossexperiences that say, Oh, look
at this! I could have, you know,you, you, you, you, you, you.
By degrees, you, you change, yougrow, you think, oh, wait a
(13:59):
minute, I was cutting myselfshort a little bit.
There's a little more than Ithought.
As you, as you, from, Lordknows, I don't want to do or be
what I was at 20.
That was not someone well, let'sjust say that I did not have the
worldly experience that I needto know to do what was right all
the time.
And, and, and I know that now,and I don't, I'm not angry with
(14:22):
that young person, that's ayoung person, growing and
understanding and hopefully Ihave, and, and, and from the age
that I am now to another, if Iget another 20 years, I'm going
to be different than my, whatI'm saying here on this show.
If I listen to myself 20 yearsfrom now, I may just say, well,
now, what are you talking about?
But, hopefully, we're speakinguniversal truths.
Jim (14:45):
Yes.
Pjae (14:45):
That's dope.
Jim (14:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And with that universal truth,we can stop this episode and
we'll see you for the next one,which is just, which is talking
about saying yes.
Yeah.
Pjae (14:58):
Determined.
Determined to say yes.
Yes.
Jim (15:00):
Good.
All right.
That's the end of this episode.
Thanks for being with us.
And we'll see you next time.
We will indeed.
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