Partners in Belief

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Jim (00:01):
Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Decide on Joy,
a podcast coming to you fromHarmony Spiritual Center in Fort
Worth, Texas.
My name is Jim Kovalt.

Pjae (00:12):
And my name is Rev.
Dr.
P.
J.
Stanley.
Thank you so much for being hereand welcome.

Jim (00:17):
This is a podcast about various aspects of new thought
and spirituality and how toapply them in daily life.
Today we're talking aboutpartners in believing.
Yes.
Is this?
Well, first just say what wemean by that.

Pjae (00:35):
Yeah.
So it's, it's very much likepartners that you have in
anything.
If you're going to school andyou're trying to get through a
class, you put together a studygroup of people who kind of know
things that you're trying toknow and so they can hold you
Accountable for things.
They can know something for youuntil you know it for yourself
repeat some things.
It's just a just a comfortknowing that you're around some

(00:55):
people that that are going inthe same direction that you're
going and They can help you stayon that path.
That's what you're doing.
So it's kind of like that Sothis

Jim (01:01):
is a group that you consciously create.

Pjae (01:04):
Thank you for saying that.
Yes.
It's a conscious creation.
It's not you know, because wecould say when you come in here
on Sunday morning these are allpartners and believing and they
are for the time that you'rehere.
But for partners and believethat people actually call up,
they call me up.
If I'm having some difficultybelieving something for myself
or I'm having a difficulty inapplying a principle that I know

(01:25):
I believe in, but my humanity isnot allowing me to do it because
I'm just pissed off and I needthem to remind me of what I
actually believe.

Jim (01:37):
How does having that group, I mean, how does that work
exactly?
So you say they call you up.

Pjae (01:42):
They call me when they need me.
I call them up when I need them.
Sometimes we're just talking,like you and I are talking right
now.
And for instance, I was talkingwith my daughter the other night
on the phone, we just talkedback and forth.
And she said something it wasn'tsurprising.
And she doesn't, sometimes wedon't know.
We don't know why people areattracted to us.
So we're not attracted in like aromantic way, but why they want

(02:04):
to be in our circle of friends.
We don't really get that.
And so she was talking aboutthat.
She said, I don't understand.
You know why somebody, whythey're so excited to see me.
I said, you, you, you don't.
Let me share with you.
Why?
Why?
And so I can see for hersomething that she puts out
because it's who she is, butit's so natural that she doesn't
recognize that she's doing thesethings.
And one of the things that shedoes so well is that she is so

(02:26):
excited, truly excited to seeyou whenever she sees you.
If you're doing something,you've got something on that she
knows she's she's chief namesthat she goes, Oh my God, girl,
you got it working.
It's looking good.
God, whatever it is.
So she's always got somethingwonderful to say to someone like
she's excited.
To see them.
Do you know what it's like forsomebody to, to, to light up
when they see you?
Yeah.

(02:46):
And so that's a gift that shehas.
And that's a, so, that's a,that's a knowing that I have.
More than it's a belief, it's aknowing that I have for her.
About who she is when shedoesn't remember who she is.
Or what she naturally does.

Jim (02:59):
So that, so that would be one of the qualities you'd be
looking for in people that you,you recruited to your, your,
your partners in believing,those people who did know those
things about you.

Pjae (03:10):
Yes.

Jim (03:11):
And could remind you.
And could remind

Pjae (03:12):
you.
They are friends of yoursalready, or they're in your
circle and they see Yeah, yeah.
I was just looking at what mypartners in believing are.
They, first of all, they believein the, they believe themselves.
They already have they'veintentionally decided that they
want to have a spiritual life.
This is what I'm talking about.
Obviously, this is decided onJoey from Spirit Harmony
Spiritual Center.
So, I'm talking about spiritualbeliefs.

(03:32):
And you've already decided thatthis is how you want to live.
That you have principles youwant to live by.
That you want to show up as acertain, In a certain way that
you have values you want to showup as and so as your partners in
believing they they know whatthose are.
You've discussed it.
You have conversations like amastermind with them about who
you are and how you want to showup.

(03:53):
Right.
Yeah, so it's intentional.
And I think it's I think it'sit's I think it's I think it's
essential.
Because even as a a minister andall the things that I know and
want to want to Show up as Idon't always.
And there are just times when Isimply, even when I have this
relationship we've talked aboutmany times, I have this
relationship with spirit and I,you know, what are we doing?

(04:13):
Where are we going?
What's going on?
And sometimes spirit.
Talks to me, and I just say gofuck off.
I'm not I'm not interested Imean, I'm human being and I
can't for whatever reason I'm inthis head space.
Mm hmm, but my heart space I'mgonna head space and I can't do
it So I show up as somethingthat is not what I'm claiming
and and then I beat myself upfor it you know in the days that

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That come after that, I beatmyself up for it.
This is where your partners inbelieving know who you really
are, and that's an anomaly.
It's not who you really are.
They can, they can, they canshow you that they can work with
you on that and say, that's not,you don't normally show up that
way.
That's an anomaly.
Maybe you were tired, who knows,but you're human being and they,
they, they allow me to stopbeating myself up.

Jim (04:55):
So do their, do your partners do their.
Beliefs have to totally matchyours.

Pjae (05:05):
No, I don't know any, I'm sorry, I've jumped in, but you
finished with the question?
Okay.
We are all New Thought.
But we don't all, even all NewThought doesn't believe the same
way.
And there is so many, you know,we belong to Antony Affiliated
New Thought Network.
And our thing is is drawing inthe, the New Thought community.
There's so many ways in which webring this new thought idea.

(05:27):
And we call it new thoughtancient wisdom because there's
nothing new under the sun.
So no, they don't have tobelieve like I, like I do, but
they believe that there issomething greater than
themselves and that they're apart of it.
They are one with that.
And that's the essential beliefafter that.
Yeah, you'd want

Jim (05:41):
some overlap anyway for sure, but they might not agree
on every single thing.
They don't agree.
They don't agree on
everything.
Yeah, we don't.
Not so easy to find someone whowas in total agreement on
everything.

Pjae (05:57):
You mentioned that, but we were talking about we were on
another show, we were gone tomeet, we, meaning a couple of
partners and I were at aconvention and we were talking,
we were asked to be on a, on abroadcast show.
We were talking about what'sours to do when it comes to
disaster relief because of allthe flooding and things like
that and what's ours to do.
For me, it's about takingaction.

(06:18):
For others on the panel, it wasabout holding space.
You know, holding theconsciousness and that, that
always feels woo woo to mebecause I mean, you do have to
hold the conscience, but youalso got to move your feet in my
opinion.
And that's okay.
That's my opinion.
I do what I do because that'swhat matters.
They do what they do.
And they believe that holdingthe consciousness of love or

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what, you know, the weather isstraightening out or whatever is
theirs to do.
And I thought, okay, all right,there you go.
And so we absolutely don't havethe same belief about that.
I don't, I, I believe that ifsomeone needs water because
there's no water coming, or theyneed a boat to rescue them from
a flood, the me sitting hereohming isn't going to help them.
But, but, but it does help theconsciousness of the planet.

(07:02):
And I do believe that.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It's just how you want to showup.

Jim (07:06):
Yeah.
It, and who knows, it mightencourage someone.
That, that might encouragesomeone there to, to get in
their boat.
Get in the boat, go get them.
That is

Pjae (07:17):
correct.
There's, there's this power in,in your, in your belief system
and holding that space andholding the consciousness,
lifting, raising theconsciousness of the planet.
So I believe that's powerful aswell.
It's just what mine is to do isthis other thing, what's theirs
to do is, not that I don't holdthe consciousness, but I do
both.

Jim (07:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So did you hop in your boat andgo rescue people?
No, but I did send money.
I did send money and I boughtsome things.

Pjae (07:38):
But that's my boat.
Whatever your boat, I'm doingquotations.
Whatever your boat may be to get

Jim (07:44):
That is usually what we can do if we're not right there.

Pjae (07:48):
Part of it is how are you adding to the The problem down
there, showing up.
They don't have any roads to getin.
There's a lot of things.
So you have to be kind ofconsciously aware of how you're
helping and how your help isgonna need help.
And it's just Jesus.
So it's a lot.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a lot.

Jim (08:05):
True of lots of situations like that.
Exactly.
Not just disaster ones, but

Pjae (08:09):
Right.
Well, I think they wouldn't evenlet people go into airports,
because the airports are crowdedwith the FEMA people landing and
things like that.
So, you know, you just gottawatch what it is that you're
doing and not cause moreproblems.

Jim (08:20):
So, I guess, you would have to, it's not like you could just
say, oh, I think this personwould be a good, you have to
know them pretty well before youwould say, come be mine.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's

Pjae (08:41):
like a mastermind.
Or even a study group.
Are you talking about the, thepeople, partners?
Tell me about

Jim (08:45):
mastermind.
What is that?

Pjae (08:46):
Oh, I'm sorry.
So a mastermind group, generallyit's business.
And people who are trying tomaybe raise money or trying to
start something, they will havea mastermind group of people
that have different abilities,like how to raise money or how
to, you know, and they'll putthat in their mastermind group
and they'll meet once a week tosay, Hey, this is where we are.
What do we need to do next?

(09:06):
So And so you wouldn't just haveanybody in there.
You choose who's going to be inthere.

Jim (09:10):
I only knew it as the name of a game, so I didn't Oh, is
there?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, I'll tell you about itlater.
Okay, let's talk about that.
Like a man from Florida.

Pjae (09:18):
Yeah.

Jim (09:20):
Yeah right.
So in the notes here, there'sanything about people whose
gifts are the power of healing?
What?

Pjae (09:28):
Yeah, So we have, we had a healer, we had a healer, Pat,
who was on here.
And so so she, so she's apartner in believing.
Cause she knows, I absolutelydon't know that.
I mean, I understand what you'resaying, but I don't have that
power.
So if I need some healing, likeright now my neck is bothering
me for a while.
So I won't try to fix it.

(09:49):
I'll ask Pat.
To put her hands on it becauseshe already absolutely believes
that she can put her hands onsomething and heal it.
So I believe and other people'sbelieving it as well.
So that's another thing that apartner in believing can do.
One of the stories that I, thatis a great story for me, and I
won't go into just a long story,but essentially this woman was
very sick in the hospital.

(10:10):
She was, she one of her kidneyswas dead and the other one was
dying.
And so a spiritual person camein and said, Hey, do you believe
that you could be healed fromthis?
And she goes, no, no, thedoctors already said I'm dying.
One of my kidneys is alreadydead.
What's their belief in?
And so she said, well, you know,I believe in the power of God
and this and that.
And the way that the woman wastalking the woman who believed,

(10:31):
the woman who was havingproblems said, well, I can't
believe that, but I do believethat you do.
And so she began to believe inthe woman's believing.
And that helped.
She helped her.
And she actually still alivenow.
That was, she was 17 when, whenthat was diagnosed.
And she's in her seventies now.
Wow.
So you can believe in someoneelse's knowing.

Jim (10:50):
So and right there in that sentence, yes.
There's two words there.
Yes.
Believing in believe andknowing.
Yes.
What's the difference?

Pjae (10:58):
So it's, it's a level of believing.
There's a knowing is a level ofbelieving.
Mm-hmm
Believing is, is, is that I.
I know that it's possible.
I know that something ispossible, and I'm, I'm, I'm just
gonna step into it and believethat it's going to happen.
And then you confidently expectit to happen.
Someone who knows already Theydon't have to do that part.

(11:21):
They already know.
They just put their hands on youand go, Heal, baby! You know,
like a healer.
And they just know.
It's done.
We don't have to talk about itany further.
It's done.
And they absolutely know forsure because they've been doing
it a while.
Or they came to the planetknowing that already.
So there's a whole, for meThere's, there's things that I,
that I work through havingprosperity is something that I

(11:45):
work on because I was raised inthis, in the atmosphere of
money's the root of all evil.
And there's only X amount ofmoney in the pie and you're
asking for too much and only askfor your piece.
And so I work on knowing, I workon knowing that's not true, that
the universe is abundant.
There is no pie.

(12:06):
It's the whole universe isavailable.
So for me, it's a believingGoing going into a knowing other
people already know there wasone woman I was listening to and
she said I love it.
I said I want to get to thatplace She goes somebody asked
her said why do you have so muchmoney?
She said because money loves meShe said money loves me.
It's always coming my way.
She knew it.
She wasn't believing it.
She knew it.

(12:26):
So that's, does that make sense?
That's the difference betweenbelieving and knowing.
It's just a stronger thing.
And once you know, you don'thave to believe anymore.
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's abelief from a, from a solid
heart place.
And you don't have to thinkabout it.
You just walk in knowing.
There are things that I know.
I know for sure.
When I look at someone andpeople say that I'm bossy and

(12:47):
I'm okay with that word.
It doesn't bother me.
But I know what you can do.
I know what you're, what youbring to the table.
I know that the power of love,of unconditional love, is
transformational.
There's no doubt in my mind.
So I come in with the idea ofloving everyone, even where it
feels like they're unlovable.
I'm not loving their behavior.

(13:07):
I'm loving who I know them tobe, which is a child of God.
So that that's absolute for me.
I don't have to think aboutthat.
I have to believe that.
I know that to be true.

Jim (13:15):
Yeah, see that's so, so the believing is I guess maybe a bit
more subjective.
You don't have a concrete proofof it.

Pjae (13:24):
concrete.
It's not as concrete whereWhereas if you know it Yeah, I
don't need any concrete proof.
I already know it.
It's going to show up because itis true.
It's a truth I know.
Yeah.
And then there's a truth that I want to believe in.
It's the truth I want to believein.
There's a truth that I know andgetting from truth to believing
is a matter of Just doing itenough times seeing it enough
times like anything else If youwin enough races in a car race,

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you know how to do it If youhave enough prayer that works
that comes true, you understandhow prayer works And so now it
goes to a knowing how to pray asopposed to believing How it
works, so that's all this is anumber of number of experiences
that you have to turn into aknowing

Jim (14:01):
so coming back to the partners thing If you were
Starting from zero How would yougo about finding those people?

Pjae (14:15):
That's a good question.
I haven't thought about that.
But let me just think about realquickly the question will become
What is it that you, what is itthat you're trying to believe?
So what is it that you're tryingto believe?
And you start you, what I, whatI, let me just do what I've done
for myself.
I know that the prosperity thingwas, it was a thing.
It's not, it's not, not thething anymore, but it was a

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thing.
And so I want it to be aroundpeople.
Who, like Pat, who, and Glenn,who just absolutely know they're
prosperous.
And so I want to be around thosepeople, and how do they think,
how do they talk, how do theyknow, what do they know?
So I start to look for peoplewho have the qualities of the
thing I'm looking to be, or do,or know.
So that begins to do that, and Idon't, you have to be, you have

(14:56):
to determine where they wouldbe.
I know that they're in these newthought buildings, not everybody
that's in a new thought buildingor spirit or center has all of
those qualities.
Everybody has something thatthey do well, but not
everybody's a great singer,right?
Everybody's a great speaker.
So.
Just like when you, when you'relooking for a group to join to
study, you look, if you'relooking, if you need to be a

(15:18):
better biology person, you'relooking for somebody who's great
at biology.
So that's, that's really all youdo is what is the thing that you
want to raise up yourconsciousness and, and who is
showing up as that.

Jim (15:30):
Right.

Pjae (15:31):
And so get with them.
And they'll be, they're morethan happy.
People who do those kinds ofthings, who understand and know,
they want you to be there too.
Because they know the universeis abundant.
You're not taking it from themwhen you ask them to do that.
They're just giving more.
That's what we want to do.

Jim (15:46):
Making you happy.
It's possible if you're in alocation or some other situation
where you don't have readyaccess to, say, a new thought.
Congregation or whatever youwant to call that.
You might have to go lookingonline

Pjae (16:04):
Here's here's and this this might be a jump for some
people But here's what I know ifI'm looking for something.
I asked for it to bring it tome.

Jim (16:13):
Huh Okay, I just asked

Pjae (16:14):
I just asked for it.
Listen, I need to have peoplearound me that know this show me
the way Show me who they areThat's a simple prayer that's
gonna be answered so that's oneway to do it you could look
online as well I mean, itdoesn't matter how spirit brings
it to you if you're comfortablebeing online, but that's your
prayer Then going online.
I'll probably bring it to you.
You know, I mean, okay You just
ask that question and do what you do and it'll show up in

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front of you It'll show up in amovie thing.
It'll show up in a somethingsomeone says The moment you ask
about it, it's now to theforefront of your thinking and
you'll see it when it comes yourway.

Jim (16:47):
Okay.

Pjae (16:47):
Yeah.
All right.

Jim (16:49):
A good place to stop.
Thank you all for being here andwe will see you next time.