Dr. Michelle Jorgensen: Your Teeth Are Making You Sick - The Mouth-Body Connection to Chronic Disease - Deconstructing Conventional

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 48.
This episode may save your life, and that is not hyperbole.
If you have wrestled with achronic health condition, I
promise you do not want to missthis interview.
My guest is a world-classdentist and naturopath, dr
Michelle Jorgensen.
She may have more insight intothe root cause of poor health

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than just about anyone I havetalked to.
So if you've never heard aboutthe dangers of fluoride, metal
fillings, root canals, extractedteeth, or if you don't know the
connection between your dentalhealth and sleep, you're about
to have your mind blown.
One of the things I appreciateabout her is just how genuinely
holistic and empathetic she isin her approach to wellness.
She is not just an informationdispenser.

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You can tell she really caresabout her patients.
So, similar to other doctorsI've interviewed, we started by
talking about her story and whatit was like waking up to the
disservice of her profession andwhat it has devolved into.
We talked candidly about whatthat was like, and she has some
fascinating stories aboutquestioning the sacred cows of

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the dental industry when herprofession really doesn't want
to hear that, or they eventhreaten to take away her
license if she says the wrongthings.
So, in addition to the storiesabout dealing with other
dentists.
She has some inspiring storiesof health transformation that
have come from the result offixing bad dental work.
So, right out of the gate, shemade the bold claim that, in her

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estimation, bad dental work.
So right out of the gate, shemade the bold claim that in her
estimation, 60 to 80% of chronicillness begins in the mouth.
So I got her to elaborate onthat as she talked through the
dangers of metal fillings androot canals and extracted teeth
and she dropped some nuggetsabout cancer and eczema and
thyroid problems and sinusproblems that you do not want to
miss.
So other things we covered inthis episode are the idea of

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palate expansion, the wisdom, orlack thereof, of extracting
wisdom teeth.
I also tried to put myself inthe shoes of the listener and
just got her to speak to theemotional and financial aspects
of dental work and she had somewonderful perspective about that
, and I even got her to divulgeher oral care routine and
whether or not she flosses.
So stay tuned for that.

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Among other cool things abouther is that in her own kitchen
she created a line of dentalproducts and she just kept
refining them until they weremarket ready.
So after reading her bookHealthy Mouth, healthy you, I
started looking at all theingredients and the labels of
the products I was using andthought crap.
All of these products I thoughtwere healthier are actually
full of garbage.

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So my family and I haveswitched to her products and
they are awesome.
Her tooth powder is asadvertised.
It cleans and whitens betterthan anything I've used and I'm
not worried about rotting myteeth by trying to keep them
white anymore.
So that's just one of the coolproducts we discussed.
She even has a toothpaste and amouthwash specific for gum
health that I learned aboutduring the interview.

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So I'll have links for you inthe show notes where you can
find Dr Jorgensen, her products,her books, her network of
philosophically aligned dentistsand more.
And I also have a coupon codefor you.
She gave me one that I can giveyou a 10% discount with.
So the code is just my nameit's ChristianElliott10.
So my last name has one T on itChristianElliott, with one T
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So I do get a small commissionif you use that code.
So I would greatly appreciateyou using it.
Every little bit helps and itallows me to keep doing the deep
dives to bring you thedistilled version of actionable
insights from people who havereal solutions.
So in supporting Dr Michelleand her mission, you also
support mine.
So thanks.
For those of you who don't know, we have also created a

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recommended products page on ourwebsite, healingunitedtoday,
where we have painstakingly beenvetting products that we can
get behind.
So you can find Dr Michelle'sproducts and many more on that
page at healingunitedtoday.
And that one final thoughtbefore I play the interview.
So thanks to all of you whohave left reviews.
I so appreciate that.
For those of you who have not,if you have something flattering

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to say, please take a momentand leave a review, because it
will encourage other people totake a chance on listening to
the show.
Okay, without further ado, hereis my interview with the
inspiring, caring and gutsy DrMichelle Jorgensen.
All right, hello everyone,welcome to today's show.
My guest is the lovely DrMichelle Jorgensen.

(04:09):
She is a functional integrativedentist, a board-certified
traditional naturopath.
She's also receivedcertifications as a therapeutic
nutritional counselor and acertified nutritional autoimmune
specialist.
She also has an amazing line ofdental products, which we'll
talk about in a little bit.
She is the author of six books,including the one where I first
came across her work, calledHealthy Mouth, healthy you.

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And she has a new book comingout next week, may 20th, called
Living Well with Dr Michelle.
And just to give you a sense ofthe baller that is Dr Jorgensen
.
She also teaches and coacheshealthcare professionals like,
not surprisingly dentists, butalso chiropractors, naturopaths,
medical doctors, nursepractitioners, nutritionists,
massage therapists and coacheslike me about a truly integrated

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model for what I would callreal healthcare.
A major inflection point in herlife, or her professional career
, was 10 years into practicingdentistry.
She became quite sick andrealized that the cause of her
illness was from exposure tomercury, from drilling metal
fillings out of people's teethwithout proper protection.
So we'll get into that story injust a little bit.
She's also become quite thehomesteader and gardener and

(05:15):
offers classes to learn, forother people to learn, to do the
same.
She's a wife and mother of four.
She claims to be a grandmother,which I don't think she's.
She doesn't look old enough tobe a grandmother, so I'm
skeptical about that one.
But anyway, dr Jorgensen, thankyou so much for taking the time
to join me today.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Thank you, I'm glad to be here and I am a
grandmother of two, my favoritetwo little humans on the planet.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, so it's confirmed.
I will get.
We want some video or visualevidence of this, but I'll take
your word for it.
So thank you for coming Allright.
Well, there's so many thingsabout you that fascinate me, so
I told you before we started.
I limited myself to one of yourbooks, but give the listener a
brief background about yourself,what led you into dentistry,
and then talk about the journeyof becoming a biological dentist

(05:57):
and then eventually anaturopath.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, so to get to dentistry was a pretty easy
thing for me.
My father was a dentist, mygrandfather was a doctor and
actually I had an interestingexperience when I was a senior
in high school.
I knew I wanted to do some sortof medicine and what I did is
for a project for school.
I went and interviewed everydoctor in my neighborhood, or
every doctor I knew, and Iinterviewed every dentist I knew
and I asked them all should Ibe a doctor or should I be a

(06:21):
dentist?
All the doctors said be adentist.
All the dentists said be adentist.
I said well, consensus seems tobe be a dentist.
So that's what I did.
I started right off school andactually I moved quite quickly
through school, graduated when Iwas 23 years old from dental
school.
So I've been doing this areally long time.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, so that was.
It was an early start for me.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, I'm fascinated why all the doctors told you to
become a dentist.
What was their rationale?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
they just said from quality of life standpoint.
You know there's no rounds inthe middle of the night.
There's no, you know, thingslike that going on.
So if I wanted to be a mom,which I did, they said from a
quality of life standpoint, yourdad has a better life than we
do, so go be a dentist.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
There you go.
Okay, talk to us about thejourney of becoming ill from
mercury, Like how did youconnect the dots?
That that's what was happeningto you and what were your
symptoms.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
That was not as easy as my decision to become a
dentist.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
That one was a lot harder.
You know, I was watching my dadwe were actually practicing
together and he's stillpracticing in his mid-70s and I
just thought that that's what Iwould do, that I would just keep
practicing forever, you know,and everything would just go
along like it had for him.
And I was enjoying practice andabout 10 years and I started to

(07:34):
get really sick and I didn'tknow what it was.
So I started doing what we alldo, you know going to doctor
after doctor and doing thingsthat I could like changing my
diet, and you know things you dolike everybody does at home you
stop eating certain stuff and,yeah, you know whatever.
And some of it helped a littlebit.
But the doctors didn't have anyanswers and I was doing tests
and x-rays and still no answers.
And my biggest issues were mygut.
I couldn't even drink water,sometimes without pain.

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So something was pretty offthere.
My memory was just shot andI've always had a good memory.
I couldn't complete sentences,I couldn't remember patients'
names from room to room.
So again, something was pretty,pretty, pretty noticeably off
there.
And then the third one was justreally bad painful numbness in
my hands.
I couldn't sleep at night.
I couldn't blow dry my hair, Icouldn't hold my my dental

(08:16):
instruments anymore.
So I got to the point where Ijust actually put my practice
for sale.
I didn't know what I was goingto do.
I was a young mom, four youngkids, mid thirties.
My husband worked for thepractice as well, so this was
our entire livelihood going upin smoke right here and nobody
could give me any answers.
And I thought, well, I'minterested in nutrition now that
I've been working on my gut,health and diet, so maybe I'll

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be a nutritionist in a dentaloffice.
So I found a dentist that had anutritionist in his office and I
just said can I, can I call andtalk with you?
How does this work?
I called and talked with himand he said your symptoms sound
a lot like mine.
Have you looked into mercurypoisoning as a possibility?
And I said well, no, no, Idon't have any mercury fillings
in my mouth, cause I knew thatsilver fillings are at 50%
mercury.
We were taught that in dentalschool, but I was also taught

(09:01):
they're perfectly safe.
And so you know?
And I said I said no, I don'thave any fillings and they're
safe anyway.
And he said well, first of all,is it?
You know, maybe it's worth justgetting tested to be sure.
And he said it's not thefillings you have.
It's the fillings you've beendrilling out for the last decade
with no protection, and thatwas literally the first time I'd
ever heard those words.
So I got tested for mercurypoisoning and that's what it was

(09:22):
Mercury off the charts.
So now all of my neurologicsymptoms made sense because
mercury is a neurotoxin.
So it was affecting my brainand my thinking.
It was affecting my hands andall the nerves there.
It was affecting my gut, whichis very much nervous Gut brain
you know gut brain connectionthere.
And all of a sudden everythingmade sense.
But I didn't know what I wasgoing to do.

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The doctor said well, if you'regoing to keep being a dentist,
you can't keep putting it inwhile you're getting it out.
You know you're not going toget better if you keep just
dosing yourself every single dayagain.
So I had to find was there a wayto remove these fillings and
not get more mercury in me?
And I found there was.
There was an organization I hadnever heard of before who had
protocol for this.
It's called the IAOMT and theyhad their smart protocol which

(10:04):
was an entire list of things youcould do so that you didn't get
exposed to mercury duringremoval.
I had never heard of thembefore, never heard of these
protocols.
So I started doing all of thisbecause, basically, in dental
school I had been told if I toldmy patients that their fillings
could affect their health, Iwould lose my license.
So that was the onlyinformation I had about mercury
was that it won't and you'lllose your license if you say it

(10:26):
does.
So.
We had never, I'd never,ventured down these paths.
These weren't, these weren'tlike safe paths, you know so.
But now I had to.
So I started going down thatpath and I would walk into the
operatory now, to, you know,remove fillings with a hazmat
suit on and gas mask, and mypatients would say, um, excuse
me.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
What's going on here.
This is a little different thanthe last time I came in, and so
I would explain the story andI'd say, you know, this is for
me.
And they would say, well, butisn't this probably good for me
too?
Yes, it is.
Well, my mom might beinterested in that.
She's actually been feelingreally sick and maybe you know,
or my doctor would be interestedin that.
She's kind of getting into thiskind of stuff.
So then patients and doctorsstarted asking me things like

(11:07):
well, what are your thoughtsabout, you know, fluoride?
Do you still believe it's thebest for you?
And what do you think aboutroot canals, you know?
And I said, well, I've done.
You know like a thousand ofthem.
Well, what do you think aboutthem?
Are they healthy long-term?
And these questions from people, people outside of the industry
, made me stop and say, wow, ifI didn't even know that I could

(11:28):
get sick from doing my job, whatelse in my job could be
impacting not only my health butall of my patients' health?
And that opened an entirely newdoor that I never intended to
go through.
And now we have amulti-specialty, multi-doctor
office campus, really, wherepeople come from around the
world to improve their health,and it's all based on the
foundation that mouth healthaffects overall health.

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In fact, 60 to 80% of chronicdisease can be traced back to
your mouth in some way.
So that is the very short storyof a very long journey to get
where I am today.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Wow, that is well said, very succinct, and I guess
I'd say a few questions Now.
What percentage of the peoplethat are trained as a dentist
actually know what you know?
Is it fine?
Are they finally teaching this,or is that still?
You're not allowed to talkabout this.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
with most dentistry training today, oh no, you'll
never hear this in a school.
Yeah, and schools are always Imean, in any profession, it
doesn't matter where you're at,schools are always about 10 to
15 years behind the actualprofession, behind advancements
in the profession.
Schools are that far behind.
So it doesn't matter if you'regoing to medical school,
wherever you're going to be 10to 15 years behind really where

(12:33):
the front runners in theprofession are.
That's just the way it is.
It's just a slow evolution.
So my whole emphasis now isteaching people like your
listeners, because if they knowwhat they should be looking for
in a dentist, then they'll startto go and ask it of dentists
and dentists will have to say,well, okay, I had literally five
people this week come in andask me about this.

(12:53):
I guess I can go see what thiscrazy talk stuff is all about.
And then they can go andthey'll seek out you know either
my courses or other courses andstart to learn.
Because from inside theprofession I mean we're probably
one 2% at most and dentists arenot interested in hearing what
I have to say.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Wow, Well, and you didn't lose your license.
You're still here and you'restill able to talk about these
things, and so obviously there'sa way forward for that.
So anybody listening to this,take heart that that's.
You don't have to be under thethumb of.
We will take away your abilityto transact and feed your family
if you talk about truth.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So yeah, research is on the very front end.
So research is even ahead ofpractitioners, and practitioners
are ahead of schooling.
So research has now proveneverything that I say you know
that mercury is released fromfillings 24, seven, that you can
get mercury toxicity from thevapors coming out of a mercury
Like.
I can say all of that nowbecause now we have research
that's actually proven all ofthat.

(13:48):
But when I was starting this 15years ago we didn't have that,
but we do now.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Great.
Well, thank you for having theboldness to speak up, and I look
forward to unpacking more ofthat as we go.
But before I get there, whatdid you do to overcome your own
mercury poisoning?
How did you get that out ofyour body and get rid of the
symptoms you were dealing with?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, that's when I had to learn a lot of other
things too.
I had to learn the first of allthere's different kinds of
mercury.
There's the kind of mercurythat's in fillings and there's
the kind of mercury that you'regoing to find in fish and
vaccines, and they're actuallydifferent mercury.
So there's elemental mercuryand, um, anyway, different,

(14:28):
different versions of mercury,and so the kind of mercury that
I had from fillings actuallyexcretes through kidneys.
So what does that mean?
Means my kidneys needed to behealthy.
My whole entire, you know,urinary system needed to be
healthy.
So I had to get that working tobe able to get rid of it.
I had to figure out where themercury was hiding, because
mercury just goes and hides, andI call it neighborhoods, you
know.
It just goes, hangs out, and soyou know behind the shed back
there, and you gotta, you know,use your searchlight and get it
to get it out.
And so you have to use yoursearchlight and get it out, and
so you have to use somethingcalled a chelator to pull it out
to then be able to excrete it.
So, kidneys working first, thenI had to start using chelators

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and I found real quickly I couldnot use very intense ones.
So I was using things likecytodetox, a bunch of different
others, and I got sick.
As sick, I mean literally.
I got down to like 110 pounds.
I was so ill.
Sick, I mean literally, I gotdown to like 110 pounds.
I was so ill.
My mom said you look like awalking skeleton, like what is
wrong with you.
I'm like I can't eat a bite.
I'm so ill.
And so I just said I cannot, Icannot try to get it out of my

(15:13):
body this fast.
I can't do this, I'm just goingto.
I'm not going to survive this.
So I had to slow way down andI've since learned.
So what I started using was alot of chlorella and just plant
foods.
Green foods have a lot ofchlorophyll in it, which is also
a very good, just gentle,natural detoxer.
So things like lettuce andspinach and arugula and bok choy

(15:36):
and those kind of green foods.
But I found that I actually havea genetic variant that doesn't
allow my body to get rid oftoxins very easily, and you may
talk about this, I'm sure youprobably.
It's called MTHFR.
I got one for my dad, one formy mom.
So my dad was fine, you know,because he didn't have both.
I got both of them and I don'tlabel toxins very well, so I

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like to think of it like a UPCcode on.
You know it comes into the body, your body goes up bad, get rid
of that one.
Oh good, keep that one.
You know my body doesn't labelthings very well, so I couldn't
get rid of the mercury.
And on top of that, I've sincelearned that women who are
expecting a baby detox about 80%of their mercury into their
first baby.

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And guess what?
I was in birth order Number oneand my mom had a mouthful of
mercury fillings.
So I think I probably had amercury burden from birth and
then I had the genetic inabilityto get rid of it and then I
started adding it and you know Istarted working in my dad's
dental practice when I was like14.
So I started adding it early onand then went to dental school

(16:39):
and I think by that point, likeit was just, you know, game over
for me.
So I because I think it wasover a lot of years getting in,
I had to take a lot of years toget it out.
So I was doing low chelation,slow detoxing for about eight
years before I really felt likemy brain was back.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Wow.
Well, that that is more of aninvolved story than I was
expecting.
That's quite a journey and forsomebody who's been through what
you've been through, to thinkeight years I might be at this
detox thing a while.
There's a recalibration thatgoes with that to find your path
to detox.
That's a good, helpful intel.
Thank you for sharing that.
Before we get to some of theparticulars of the dental

(17:16):
industry, I guess I just wantedto humanize this a little bit
more.
Tell us, if you will, theemotional side of what you
learned, because you basicallyhad to come to terms with, like
being part of an industry thatwas causing major amounts of
harm in millions of people andmore or less reinvent yourself
while being threatened you'dlose your license if you spoke
out.
So what was it like emotionallygoing from traditional dentist

(17:37):
to biological or holisticdentist?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
You know it was really hard, particularly
because my father is very muchtraditionally.
You know, we were bothtraditionally trained, so there
was a lot of mistrust, a lot ofeven making fun of you know, of
these principles, just eveninternally, and so we were

(18:01):
practicing together when allthis started, and that was very
difficult to say.
I don't really have a choicehere, so I know you don't
believe.
What a choice here, so I knowyou don't believe what I'm doing
and I know you're even makingfun of what I'm doing here and
you know the team's watching you.
So this is really hard becausethey also need to do what I tell
them to do here.
So that was certainlychallenging and I had to just
decide what was.

(18:23):
The most important thing hereWas it my own pride, my own, you
know, all of these things, myown, you know version of me.
Or was it the truth what I wasfinding and I've always been one
that I've been underestimatedpretty much my entire career.
You know, going into dentalschool all the I was, you know,

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one of a very few at the time.
It's not 50, 50 in dentalschool, but 50, 50 male, female
students, but not when I wasthere.
We were very much the underdogand they all said, well, the
only reason you're here isbecause they have, you know,
status.
They need, they need a certainamount of women in the class,
they have to have a certainamount of women.
So I was very used to theseunderestimations and I said,
just watch me.
And basically that's what I'vedone the entire time, with this

(19:07):
as well.
Is you know what?
I'm not here to change yourmind or to preach to you or do
anything like that.
And that's really how I'venavigated this.
I've just said you know what?
Just watch me.
Just watch me, and if you seeme getting better and if you see
me helping people to get betteras well and changing lives,
then you can choose to believeand to be on board as well, if

(19:27):
you don't want to and thatdoesn't fit for you, then you
know.
You are absolutely, you know,able to have your own beliefs
and your own belief systems.
But I'm going to do whateveryone and I can't.
But I can do what I can doBecause, as I started learning,
I wanted to share with everybody.
I started buying everybodyblenders.

(19:49):
They can make smoothies.
You know, I mean all this stuffand buying them recipe books and
so excited to listen to thispodcast and listen, you know,
read this book.
And nobody did it.
And I was really offended for awhile and then I realized, you
know, we're all our own journey.
So I learned if somebody asksme a question about what I'm
doing, I answer the question.
If they ask me another question, I answer that question, but I
let people take their own pace,their own path, and that really

(20:12):
was the thing that I had tofigure out, emotionally as well,
is it's okay, I'm doing thisfor me, for those that I'm going
to influence, and if peoplewant to follow, I'm here for
them, but I can't make anybodydo what they don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, that my admiration for you just went up.
I've resonated with a lot ofthat over 20 years as a health
coach.
I've had to come to terms withI can't.
I can lead them to the water,but I can't make them drink, and
the best I can do is show upand answer the questions or ask
them thoughtful ones and getthem thinking.
It sounds like a very similarpath to you, and another thing I
admire is just the guts to doit while you're still talking or

(20:48):
while you're still in theprofession, Because I know of
other dentist people who'veretired and will talk about yeah
, this is where my industry isnot helping but to do it while
you're still in practice and totake some of those arrows or to
have awkward moments with yourown dad in practice, that's.
There's some some guts andresilience in there.
So well done, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I have an interesting story actually about that.
So I was, I had been taking areally long continuum, a
continuing education continuum,so it was nine sessions and each
of these sessions was about$6,000.
So you can start doing yourmath, adding this up.
Okay, and each one was athree-day session.
So I had to travel to Seattletime away from work, the cost of
travel plus the cost of thething there.

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So I was at the end of the ninesessions and the last day so
you can see, everybody that isat the table with me would have
committed a lot.
Right, these are the top of thetop in the dental profession,
the people who have reallycommitted their time and their
money and their everything tobecoming the best.
So I was at lunch on the verylast day, surrounded by, you
know, these other dentists thathad gone through the same

(21:49):
process, and someone at thetable started saying oh yeah,
there's this crazy dentist in myoffice who wears like this
hazmat suit when he's taking outmercury fillings and the whole
table started laughing.
So I sat there and I thought doI say something?
Do I not say something?
And I always say something.
So I spoke up and I just saidyou know what?

(22:11):
Can I share my story with you?
And then I shared my story, thesame story that I shared with
you just now.
I shared my story and, of course, they were all very embarrassed
and very apologetic and I saidthat is not why I shared my
story.
I shared my story because if Ican save one of you from going
down the path that I went down,that will be worth it.

(22:33):
That's worth all of it If I cansave one of you from that exact
same path.
And what I've learned is thatno one can dispute your story
because it's your own.
They can dispute a statistic,they can dispute an anecdotal
story of someone else that youshare, they can dispute all of
that, but they can't tell youthat your story and your journey

(22:54):
is wrong.
So lean on your story those ofyou who are listening lean on
your journey and stay there.
And anybody who wants to followyou and learn more from you will
come to you, and I hope thatthe people that were at that
table that day have made somechanges for their own health,
for their own health sake.
But it's just all about sharingyour story.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh it is.
I can just feel it while Iimagine being in that room and
the way that you navigated that.
I love that you started it withpermission to tell your story.
You asked a question first andyou got the permission to okay,
well and a story.
Like you said, nobody's goingto dispute that, but yeah, it
was.
There was a conviction in youthat I can't be quiet about this
in a room full of these peopleand, yeah, who knows how many

(23:38):
lives you saved or will savejust because you're talking to
me today.
So well done, I love that.
Okay to me today.
So well done, I love that, Okay.
Well, you mentioned earlier thestatistic you estimated 60 to
80% of health problems start inthe mouth.
So give the listener somecontext for those percentages.
How could the number possiblybe that big?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yep, so a lot of chronic disease.
Most chronic disease isinflammatory based right?
I'm sure you talk about thisall the time.
You know it's inflammation andinflammation.
I've heard it phrasedinflammation, you know.
Basically, aging is simplyinflammation.
It's the body's own response tosomething in the in the world.
And you talk about this all thetime.
We went over the toxins andcleaning things up, and so the

(24:18):
body's response to any sort ofinsult is going to be
inflammation.
It's the way our bodies areprogrammed to fight for us,
right?
It's our own bodies to takecare of ourselves, so our cells
are super good at it and itturns on inflammation.
But if it can never get awayfrom that inflammatory burden,

(24:42):
then the inflammation neverturns off.
Well, there's three biggiesinside of dentistry that can
lead to that chronicinflammation that a lot of
people aren't familiar with.
So the first one is the mercury.
Like I just talked about,mercury is very inflammatory.
So if you're going to getmercury fillings removed, please
only do it if you're going todo it safely, because if you go
to just any dentist and they'regoing to drill it out, you're
going to breathe it in, you'regoing to swallow chunks.
You're just going to get moremercury in your system.
You're going to be moreinflamed.
So, make sure you're going tothe iaomtorg directory, or I

(25:06):
have a directory on my site,livingwellwithdrmichellecom.
Go on that site.
Go find a dentist who's beentrained to do that.
So that's number one.
I won't spend a ton of time onthat because it's pretty cut and
dry.
Do you have the fillings or doyou not Get them out safely?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Can I ask you one thing you pointed out in your
book that I thought was profound.
I'm like how did I not see thisbefore?
You talked about temperaturechanges and you talked about
frequency related to mercury.
So talk about those quickly forthe listener so they have a
sense of oh yeah, of course thatwould be impactful.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yep.
So very interesting.
If you think about if you havea jar of jam at your house that
has a metal lid on it and youcan't get the metal lid off,
what do you do?
You go put it under hot water.
Metal lid on it and you can'tget the metal lid off, what do
you do?
You go put it under hot waterwhy?
Because heat expands metal.
So then it expands and it comesoff.
It loosens the metal, the metallid on that jar.

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So when you have a metalfilling, with temp, with heat it
expands the metal.
With cold it shrinks the metal.
So it has this expansioncontraction going on inside of
the tooth at all times.
What does this do?
Well, it actually cracks thetooth.
So I started telling peopleabout the mercury fillings years
before.
I mean, why was I removingmercury fillings and got sick?
You know why were they comingout?
Well, because they crack yourteeth.
They're really actually bad foryour teeth themselves.
So that's why I was removingthem long before I knew that

(26:19):
mercury was the problem, becausethey actually are really really
bad for your teeth.
They just crack your teeth.
So that's reason alone to getthe filling out, just to
preserve your tooth and saveyour tooth.
Frequency is another piecethat's super interesting.
And this isn't just the metalfillings, it's also metal
implants.
This is the place that reallyit was found, because that's
another source of metal in thebody is metal dental implants.

(26:40):
So this one's an interestingone.
This information came out ofresearch in the orthopedic world
.
So hips, shoulders, knees, Imean, how many metal parts are
we putting in people's bodiesevery single day?
Thousands of them, right.
And in the orthopedic world,what they found is that our
world has changed.
We are now surrounded byfrequencies.

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So that's Wi-Fi, cellularfrequencies, all of those kinds
of things.
Well, frequencies are simply awave, and the one that people
understand the best is amicrowave.
Right, you put a metal pan in amicrowave, and what does it do?
It starts to spark.
If you've never done thisaccidentally, don't try it.
It starts to spark.
It can start your microwave onfire because those microwaves,

(27:22):
those frequency of electronspassing through the air, they
pass through the metal and theyheat the metal up.
That's why you can't put a youknow aluminum foil wrapped, you
know baking a potato in themicrowave, because it won't get
through the metal.
It heats up the metal, but itwon't get through it.
The same thing happens withmetals in your mouth and other
frequencies called Wi-Ficellular.

(27:44):
They are all frequencies ofelectrons moving through the air
like this and when they passthrough the metals they heat
them up.
So now, because we have so muchWi-Fi, so much everything
they're finding in orthopedicsthat that heating of the metal
is literally burning or kind ofkilling off the bone surrounding
these metal implanted parts andpieces.
So they're seeing higher ratesof failures because of these

(28:07):
frequencies and we simply can'tget away from it.
We opened a new office on ourcampus and I told my husband.
I said I don't want Wi-Fi inhere and he said pull out your
phone right now.
I want you to go onto Wi-Firight now and tell me how many
Wi-Fi networks pop up.
He's like it doesn't matter ifwe have our own Wi-Fi router.
He said, you're literallygetting 50 different routers
right here as it is.

(28:27):
So, there was no way other thansimply doing Faraday cages
around our entire building andblocking off all EMFs.
You know I do some of thosethings in my bedroom, but you
know in other places.
But we're just surrounded by iton a daily basis.
So it's heating up the metals,which then destroys the bone.
So in our practice we don't dotitanium dental implants Like 1%
of the time.
Maybe we do ceramic dentalimplants because they don't

(28:50):
conduct electricity and theydon't heat up and there's a lot
of.
There's actually been anincrease in dental implants that
have failed and people thinkthey blame it on gum disease.
They blame it on you're justnot brushing your teeth and what
do I?
Blame it on Frequencies, yeah,it's melting the bone.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, it makes so much sense.
I'd never thought of it.
Like mercury, is what we use inthermometers and it's super
sensitive to temperature, so ahot drink a cold drink, like duh
, like.
How did I not put that togetherbefore?
Yeah, but that's such animportant point to make.
If somebody has those, you'rewhittling away at the integrity
of your tooth.
Okay, so I interrupted you.
Your first big one was mercuryfillings or mercury infillings.

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What's the second one?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Second one's a real biggie.
It's hidden infections, andthis is the one that leads to so
much inflammation in the body,and I mean there's research that
shows that.
So we're gonna talk about twosources.
One is root canals and theother is areas where you've had
teeth removed previously and alot of people will say, well,
I've never had a tooth out.
I'll say, well, do you haveyour wisdom teeth still?
Oh, no, I got those out.
Yep, that's what I'm talkingabout.

(29:50):
So a large majority of peoplehave had wisdom teeth out and
these infections are hidden andthe problem with that is you
don't really know thatanything's going on.
And there is research, crazyresearch showing things like
infection in the mouth, whetherit be gum infection, root canals
or where your teeth wereremoved.
Those infections will kill you,like 78% of clots that killed

(30:10):
people either from a heartattack or a stroke, had mouth
only bugs in them.
Yeah, it's just.
It's enormous the amount ofthings.
I have yet to find a personwith cancer or has had or has
cancer that doesn't have aninfected root canal or an
infection in the jawbone where atooth was removed.
I've not found one yet.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Let that sink in for a second there to the listeners.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I've not found one yet.
There's zero.
In fact, I was told this byanother practitioner years ago
and she said if you can find one, I'll pay a thousand bucks.
So I've been looking hard LikeI want my thousand bucks Right
Dang.
And I've yet to find one.
So let's talk about why.
What is the connection here?
You know, and it's it's kind ofinteresting because I have
three brothers who are also.
I have two brothers that areorthodontists and another

(30:51):
brother who's an oral surgeon,and they are on other dental
forums that are not the forumsthat I'm on.
Well, now I've made my way ontotheir forums but they ridicule
me greatly my brothers don't,the other people on the forums
but they tell me they're like oh, you're on our forum again
today.
Guess what I heard this time.
But it was a forum that had abunch of endodontists people

(31:11):
that do root canals and the guywas complaining and saying how
are we supposed to make moneyanymore Because all these crazy
people on the internet aretelling people that root canals
can lead to cancer.
So this was on this forum, likeI have arrived.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Right Congratulations .

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yes, I have now arrived, anyway.
So let's talk about this.
It's all about the anatomy of atooth.
So inside of a tooth there's amain canal.
This is called the root canal.
Have you heard the word rootcanal before?
The root canal, the canalinside of the root, it's like a
six lane superhighway, okay,it's where all the nutrients
come in and out.

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It's where all the nerves comein and out of the tooth.
From that superhighway there'slittle exits that go off into
all the other areas of the tooth, all the way up and down the
tooth.
That's why when you tap on yourtooth you can feel it, because
there's a nerve channel, alittle nerve extending that goes
all the way out to the outsideof that tooth through something
called a dentinal tubule.

(32:07):
Every dentist knows about this.
We were taught at year one indental school.
There's a mile of these littletiny tubules, these little tiny
roads going off of that maincanal.
When they do a root canal, theyclean the main superhighway out
, they clean out the nerve, theyclean out the blood vessels,
disinfect it with bleach that'sactually the disinfectant of
choice.
Disinfect it with bleach andthen fill it up with a material

(32:28):
called gutta percha.
It's kind of this rubbery stuff.
It's tree sap from a tree inMalaysia.
So they fill it up with thisrubbery stuff.
That's what a root canal is.
The problem is all that mile oflittle tiny side roads going off
.
They're too small to clean andthey're too small to fill.
So dead tissue, dead bloodvessel tissue and nerve tissue

(32:49):
stays out in those little tinychannels.
No matter what, no matter howwell, no matter how meticulously
well a root canal is done,there's going to be dead tissue
in that tooth.
So I liken this to let's say,somebody has been told they need
their gallbladder out.
Well, what if they took yourgallbladder out, cleaned it up,
you know, soaked it in bleach,filled it?
Would it work?
No, because it's no longerconnected to a blood supply,

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which means you can't get immunecells there, which means you
can have no blood flow.
The body will reject it andbacteria will find it, and
that's what's happened to theseteeth Bacteria finds this dead
tissue inside of the tooth.
So now is where the problemarises, because your body has to
deal with that, your immunesystem has to deal with that.
Your immune system has to dealwith that.
That low grade, chronicinflammatory burden infection on

(33:37):
the body.
24, seven, never ends, neverstops, never goes away.
So now your body's immunesystem is distracted and tired
and worn out and it can't dealwith the other stuff that's
going on.
So I'm not saying that a rootcanal causes cancer.
What I'm saying is that a rootcanal causes cancer.
What I'm saying is that a rootcanal diminishes your ability to
deal with everything else thatyour body naturally knows how to

(33:59):
deal with.
It just can't do it anymorebecause it's worn out.
Not only that, but theinfection.
It's like a piston.
Every single time you bite onthat tooth you're forcing that
infection, that bacteria, intothe bloodstream and around the
body everywhere.
They've now isolated it out ofhearts.
They've isolated it out ofkidneys.
They've isolated it out ofcolon cancer lesions, out of
everywhere.

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These are bugs that are mouthbugs.
Why are they there?
Because they got sent all overthe body at the ends of these
failed root canals.
And here's the kicker you can'tfeel it because the nerves.
So you've lost your earlywarning system.
You have no idea that it'sreinfected until you get what's
called a cone beam CT scan.
This is a specialized dentalx-ray where I can see everything

(34:40):
in three dimensions.
I can literally flip you upsidedown, turn you inside out and
see what's going on on thoseroot canals.
And oh my gosh, you cannotbelieve what I find on a daily
basis on these.
I just saw 12 patients two daysago.
Actually, was that justyesterday, yesterday?
Apparently, yesterday was along day, it was two days ago.

(35:01):
There was one woman inparticular it was just actually
blew me away.
She'd had three massive sinussurgeries I mean massive had
just whittled away all of theturbinates in her nose, cleaned
out everything in sight and nomatter what, after she had the
surgery, within about threemonths infections would come
back to it, back to the ENT, andthe ENT was like I literally

(35:22):
don't know what else to do foryou, like I cannot take anything
else out of your nose unless Ijust take your nose off your
face.
Like I don't know what else I'mgoing to do and you can do
another antibiotic.
She'd been on like 15 at thispoint.
You know it killed her gutbecause of it and so finally she
was like well, I heard thislady talk about like maybe a
root canal came into the office,took a cone beam CT scan.

(35:42):
She has a massive abscess onthe end of an upper molar tooth.
It's it had broken through thebottom of her sinus, because
anytime you have infection likethat, building it needs a
release valve and the bone onthe bottom of the sinus is kind
of like an eggshell.
It's actually fairly thin.
So it's either that bone orit's either come out the cheek
side, which is a lot harder bone, so it's going to actually

(36:04):
break through the bottom of thesinus first.
So this tooth had beenrefilling her sinus after every
single sinus surgery and the ENThad never looked at the tooth
to say could this infection bebecause of her tooth?
It was just crazy to me so thatcoming out and her sinus
infections will go away.

(36:24):
It's just there's so manydirect correlates with failed
root canals every single day.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Man, I can imagine why you get fired up about it.
The reality that so few peopleask about your dental health
when they ask about yoursymptoms, it's just you
shouldn't be surprised by it.
But yeah, that seems to be theway it goes in healthcare, and I
watched the documentary RootCause, which I think you and I
talked about before, and it doessuch a great job of laying this
out if the listener wants to gocheck it out before.

(36:52):
And it's, it does such a greatjob of laying this out if the
listener wants to go check itout.
But one of the points they madewas there's no such thing as an
uninfected root canal like theyall have it and, to your point,
there's.
There's no other discipline inthe entire world of what you
could call health care, where weleave dead tissue in the body
and just put something in therethat can't the immune system
can't get to and think there'sno consequence to that so we can
save the tooth.
And man, what a world.

(37:14):
Anything else you want to sayabout root canals that we didn't
cover?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It just leads to inflammation and infection and
then the body has to defenditself from it.
So I had a patient who also hadsky high cholesterol.
She was doing everything sheknew to get it down.
Nothing worked.
Finally her doctor said,thankfully, you know what?
Maybe it's her teeth, I don'tknow there's crazy talk about.
Maybe teeth can be related,let's see.
So she came in, had three rootcanal teeth removed.

(37:40):
I saw her three months laterbecause she brought her husband
in for work and she said I'vegot to tell you the end of my
story.
She said I got those threeteeth out.
I went back in a month later andgot my blood tested, my
cholesterol.
A month later and got my bloodtested, my cholesterol had
dropped 90 points and I had donenothing except get those teeth

(38:01):
out.
So cholesterol is your body'sinsulator.
It's your body sayingsomething's not right here, and
so I'm going to create more ofit to insulate you more from it.
So it's so important that wepay attention to the symptoms,
because the symptoms are wherethe answers lie, instead of
taking a drug that will loweryour cholesterol that's now
turned off the symptom and leftthings just to get worse and

(38:21):
worse and worse.
So it's important, the mostimportant thing is to go get
that cone beam CT scan anddetermine are those root canals
healthy for you and is it timejust to get them removed?
Because people will always askwell, what do I do instead?
So we remove and replace themwith ceramic dental implants or
a bridge or nothing.
Sometimes people it's the veryback tooth and they say I'm

(38:41):
really fine without it, I reallydon't need it.
Great, let's get it out andjust take it out.
But also people will say well,what do you do instead?
That's usually the biggestquestion I get what are you
doing instead?
And the answer is it depends onif the tooth is still alive.
So if you still have a realsensitive tooth, a deep cavity,
but you can feel that toothstill, what we do is we remove
the cavity all the way to thedeepest part but leave the nerve

(39:03):
alone so we don't uncover it.
Don't get into that root canalarea.
Ozone right there to kill allthe bugs and then we fill over
top of it and keep the toothalive.
So if you've been told you needa root canal, go get a second
opinion.
Go see if you can find somebodywho does.
It's called biomimeticdentistry.
Basically, it's using ozone andfillings to save teeth and keep

(39:23):
them alive Once they're alreadydead.
If you've got a big, old fatcheek and it's swollen and it's
already dead, replace and removeand replace the tooth.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, great perspective and amazing stories.
I'm sure you've got hundreds ofthem, but okay, what was the
third category you were going togive us?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Airway.
So, this is all about air andpeople think, well, why would a
dentist talk to me about mysleeping or breathing or
anything else?
Because airway is largelystructural.
It's largely structural.
It's largely structural and inour world today most of us have
a very small mouth.
So if I meet anybody and theyhave had braces or they've had

(40:02):
their wisdom teeth out, thentheir jaw did not grow
adequately Because if you lookat schools 300 years ago, they
had straight teeth and they allhad all 32 teeth.
They did not take their wisdomteeth out.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Why.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, the first bone affected by malnutrition is the
top jaw.
So are we malnourished today?
Yes exactly Because our fooddoes not have the nutrients in
it that it once did.
So, our food supply hasdrastically changed.
So we might be getting, youknow, food, but it's not food
with nutrients.
So we are malnourished and thefirst jaw or first bone affected

(40:37):
the top jaw.
We get crooked teeth.
We all end up with braces andwe all end up taking out four
teeth because they don't fit inour mouths anymore.
Well, if the teeth don't fit inyour mouth, neither does all the
tissue.
That means the tongue, the softpalate, the uvula.
All of that also has to fitinside of that mouth, and if
it's small it doesn't fit.
So I liken this to like havinga big, long, extended cab pickup

(41:00):
truck and a teeny tiny garage.
So you got this big old pickuptruck in this teeny tiny garage
and so the back end of the truckspills out into the driveway.
Well, the driveway is theairway.
That's where air passes fromyour nose and mouth down to your
lungs.
So now you got the back end ofthe pickup truck out there, so
it's blocking off what'ssupposed to be flowing past.
And it's not that the pickuptruck is wrong.

(41:20):
Like your tongue's not too big,it just can't fit in the teeny
tiny mouth that you have.
So one of the very worst thingsI call the ambient generation.
It's this entire generation ofpeople who had four teeth taken
out for braces.
It was the easy way out.
They went oh, your teeth arecrooked, great, let's just take
a few of them out, that way thatthere's enough room for all of
the rest to fit.
Well, you take teeth out, andwhat you've done is now
permanently made the mouth toosmall because, you have to pull

(41:43):
all the teeth together to closeall the spaces.
So they pull all the teethtogether and now there's no room
for anything.
So we have an entire generationof people, like 60 to 80% of
people nowadays.
I mean, it's so high, it'sunbelievable.
They can't fall asleep, theycan't stay asleep.
They wake up at 1 am like wideawake, toss and turn for another
hour or two.

(42:03):
They are just not feelingrefreshed when they wake up.
They may feel like they slept,but they wake up and they're
like why do I feel like I justgot run over by a truck,
literally?
Why do I feel like I just gotrun over by a truck, like
literally?
Why do I feel like this everysingle morning?
It's about oxygen.
You got that back end of thepickup truck hanging out into
that where the oxygen issupposed to pass.
You simply can't get enoughoxygen.
So what does your body do?
These are the cool things,because this is the stuff we

(42:24):
look for.
Your body clenches the teeth.
Why?
Clenching the teeth tightens upall the muscles in the airway.
So this is why people clenchtheir teeth at night, wake up
sometimes with headaches andsore things here.
Or I see it very often as wornteeth right here in the front,
because when you clench yourteeth it tightens up the muscles
and when you bring your bottomjaw forward, like this, teeth

(42:46):
tip to tip, it brings the tongueforward and it makes more space
for air to pass.
So anytime I see worn teethright here in the front I'm like
oh, you don't.
You don't sleep very well, doyou?
People like Whoa, how did youknow that?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
You from my teeth.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Exactly Because I see what your teeth.
I see the accommodations of theadaptations your body's making
to get more oxygen.
It's bringing that bottom jawforward, wearing your teeth.
So the problem with this iswhen the body goes through sleep
cycles.
It goes through light sleep,deep sleep, rem sleep and then
back up to light sleep, deepsleep, rem sleep.
Rem sleep is defined byparalysis.

(43:19):
No muscles can move.
I've heard it hypothesized.
Maybe it's so.
We don't act out our dreams,you know.
So we're not running around andwhatever.
So there's literal paralysis inREM sleep.
If you engage a muscle, you'repopped out of REM sleep
immediately.
Guess what?
Clenching your teeth isEngaging a muscle.
Guess what?
Bringing your bottom jawforward is Engaging a muscle.

(43:41):
So if you are having to do theseaccommodations to breathe,
you're never getting into thatdeepest level of restorative
sleep.
You might feel like you slept,but you feel like trash in the
morning.
You never really got the oxygenyou needed and oxygen fuels the
energy production at everysingle cell of your body.
So if you do not have oxygen,you do not have energy period.

(44:03):
So we detect this on these conebeam CT scans.
I can see what is hanging outinto your airway.
Is there room for you to getair and if not, we make the
mouth bigger again.
We expand.
In adults and in kids we try toget ahead of the game.
In kids we go, oh whoa, youdon't have enough room.
All right, let's startdirecting your growth.
Let's make enough space in yourmouth.
We train the tongue to come upand forward.

(44:24):
We have lasers that can shrinkall the tissue in the back of
the throat.
Basically, we get you breathingand living again.
So that's the big piece thatnobody knows is related to
dentistry.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Man, no, I've been fortunate to meet some dentists
who do.
But you're right, you're such aunicorn in that industry and it
makes so much sense why we haveso much of a sleep problem.
But talk to the people whomaybe, like myself, who, at the
rite of passage we go throughthrough as teenagers now was
just to have your wisdom teethtaken out.
So in that scenario, is itstill palate expansion?

(44:56):
Is there any wisdom ever tohaving the wisdom teeth taken
out, or is it always adisservice?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
It's always based on the space.
So still, we have, you know,kids.
We tell them to get theirwisdom teeth out because if the
teeth don't have space to comein they are potentially going to
create issues in the future.
And the longer the tooth's inthe mouth, the harder the bone
is, the further the roots godown to the nerve.
And then if you have a problemlet's say you're 40 and now
you've got a real big infectionaround that wisdom tooth it's

(45:21):
much more dangerous and risky totake a wisdom tooth out of 40
because the roots are longer,the bone is more dense, higher
chance of nerve damage.
So that's why we say get it outwhen you're 18, 15, you know,
because the nerve is less dense,the roots aren't long, it's not
going to damage your nerves.
So we have to anticipate isthis going to create an issue in
the rest of your life?
Is there space in here.
Is this going to create anissue?

(45:41):
If it's going to create anissue, we're going to get them
out.
Preferably, I'm going to seeyou know for teeth in there.
Let's expand, let's make morespace, let's get your tongue
doing what it needs to do sothat when you're 18, you got
plenty of room for all thoseteeth.
That's my preference.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Okay, gotcha.
So if somebody's had them takenout, there's possibly still
expansion that you do justbecause it taking them out
shrunk the mouth and there'sother benefits to having
obviously better sleep anddeeper air or deeper oxygenation
while you sleep.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And also a lot of those areas where the teeth were
taken out don't heal properly.
There's a ligament surroundingevery tooth, called the
periodontal ligament, and itdoesn't come out naturally with
the tooth.
So the tooth comes out, itdoesn't just come out, and when
we're removing wisdom tooth wedon't go back in and dig it out
because there's like nerves downthere and their sinuses up
there, like they're way backthere.
So usually the ligaments leftbehind.

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When that happens, for about 10days the body doesn't know that
a tooth's gone yet becausethere's still the ligament there
, until the ligament necrosisand dies and it's like, oh wait,
trouble, juice gone, okay, butby those 10 days time the gum
tissue has grown over and downinto where that bone should have
grown.
So you got this dead ligamentwith tissue that's not bone.

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That dead zone creates allsorts of inflammation in the
body.
In fact there's research thatshowed that it sends up all
these they're called cytokinesAll these cytokine flares
telling the body trouble,trouble, trouble, trouble.
This is a huge source ofinflammation in the body and we
talk about how that relates tochronic disease.
Huge source of inflammation inthe body and we talk about how

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that relates to chronic disease.
Huge source of inflammation inthese dead zones in the jawbone.
Again, we find them on CombiumCT scans and when we find them
we have to go in, clean out thatdead stuff and fill them up
with stem cells.
I have the craziest stories withthese.
A woman who had horrible eczemacould not get rid of it.
Cleaned out these wisdom teethareas.
Horrible eczema could not getrid of it.
Cleaned out these wisdom teethareas eczema 95% gone within a

(47:37):
month.
Wow, gone because it justdropped her inflammatory burden,
just boom like that.
Another lady who literally beenbedridden she'd had to move
back in with her mother and wasworking from her bed couldn't
even hardly work Got thesecleaned out.
The next morning her mom foundher up doing the dishes.
She said what are you doing.
She's like I feel better than Ifelt in a decade.
So it's just this hugeinflammatory burden and a lot of
people say, well, I reallyhaven't felt good since.
I was like in college and Isaid, well, when did you get

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your wisdom teeth out?
College?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yep, light bulb just went on in that moment.
Right there, is that called acavitation.
Do I have that correctly?
That's called a cavitation.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, that's kind of the old word.
There's like a big long termfor it.
Now I like to call them areasin the job that didn't heal
correctly.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Okay, that's a longer term.
Yeah, very technical.
Yeah, exactly, it just didn'theal.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
A place in your job that didn't heal.
You know there is like afancier term even than that, but
I just like to call it it's anarea that didn't heal.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, got a pocket of infection that is potentially
explained.
So many of your symptoms, okay,yeah, okay.
So I've got a few otherquestions, but you so you said
60 to 80% of health issues tendto stem from the mouth.
What?
What, in your estimation, isthe other 20 to 40%?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
It's a great question , a lot of things you deal with
and it's, it's okay, we've gotto get the huge burden off, so
we've got to get the infectionout that's spreading.
We have to get your airway openso you can actually get air.
Then we work with somebody,exactly like you, who says, okay
, now let's do the hard work ofgetting everything out of the
body, continuing to work there,let's start adding good things

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to the body.
Let's start eating the rightfuel, eating the right things to
give the body what it needs toactually get through those
healing processes.
So it's honestly the pieces,and no, sometimes we didn't talk
about this, but there'sactually a huge connection with
the.
Each tooth connects to an organsystem and so, for example,

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hormonal issues are connected towisdom teeth.
There's a direct line betweenhormones under the entire
endocrine system and wisdomteeth.
So we'll often see chronicfatigue.
We'll have to see, you know,some of these other hormonal
issues and fertility.
We'll go and look at thesewisdom teeth areas and say, okay
, is there that you know deadzone in that spot?
We get the dead zone cleaned up, but it doesn't.

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it doesn't balance the hormonesautomatically, does that make
sense so then we send tosomebody who says, okay, now
let's figure out.
Okay, we've gotten the burdenor the root, root root taken
care of, now let's work onfixing it.
And a lot of times we're notthe first place people arrive at
because nobody thinks I thinkmy dentist is the one who should
fix my chronic disease.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You know, we're like.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
we're like the 10th place that people arrive because
they've done everything elseRight.
And they still can't get there.
And then somebody says, maybeit's your teeth.
And then they come and see usand we clear up.
You know the major burden andthankfully they've already done
all the work before they'vegotten there, but they still
have to keep then working toheal the body once that root

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cause is gone.
So there's still work to do,but the work works if that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yes, it does no, and I so resonate with the.
I'm usually 10th on the list ofthings people will come to and
often I can identify root causespretty quickly, like one talk
to a dentist.
Let's figure out if there'sanything going on in your mouth.
Are you killing yourself withtoxic thinking?
Are you poisoning yourself withyour food and water?
Like there's obvious flashinglights and it's shocking.
Most dentists or dentists, mostdoctors, don't answer or ask

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those questions, like we don'teven think to look for root
causes.
It's just there's a whole hostof symptoms.
We can play symptomwhack-a-mole indefinitely and I
love it that you're.
It's not surprising, I guess,talking to you, you eventually
became a naturopath as well.
You're like okay, let me fixthe root, the first problem, and
then I'm going to go fix allthe others.
I have the toolkit to fix therest of it.
What a great skillset to havein one person.

(51:17):
Anything else you want tomention about what we've covered
so far?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Nope, just hopefully this inspires people to go and
find somebody who can helpprovide this kind of care for
them.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, you brought up fluorideearlier, so let's, let's.
That's a touchy one these days,because a lot of states and
municipalities are starting toban it.
Florida, I'm proud to say, hasbanned it from our municipal
water system.
So what are your?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
thoughts.
Utah was first, which is mystate.
Florida was second, which isyours All right.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So we've got.
We've got two winning stateshere.
So give us your perspective onfluoride, obviously from a
dentist perspective, but justfluoride in general.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah.
So fluoride, the concept of itis awesome and you know,
honestly I am always of thepositive intent mindset, like I
don't really think anybody's outthere to kill any of us.
You know, I really don't.
Maybe there is, but I justdon't go there.
You know, it's just not worththinking that way.
I usually figure out that we'retrying our best, we're all
doing our best with theinformation that we've been
given and we just need to keeplearning.

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That's really the case withfluoride.
So originally they found thatthese pockets of pockets of
people that were drinking wellwater, that had higher levels of
fluoride, had more resistantteeth, they had stronger teeth.
They also had splotchy teeth,like brown and white splotches
on their teeth, but they didn'tget cavities.
So they looked at this and theysaid, oh, this is great, let's

(52:32):
figure out how to completelyeradicate tooth decay, let's put
fluoride in toothpaste, let'sput fluoride in water, let's put
it everywhere so that we canget rid of cavities.
So, again, positive intent.
You know we're trying to reallyfix something because I mean,
people die from cavities, youknow from abscessed teeth, and
you know it's, it's something,and there's just a huge
inconvenience and cost andeverything else.
I mean it would be fabulous tonever have another cavity.

(52:54):
So this was the concept.
This was the idea, but there'ssome big flaws that have really
come to light as of late.
The first flaw is did it work?
Has anyone gotten a cavitysince 1930?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I think so yes.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So it didn't necessarily meet the intended
goal, right.
It didn't eradicate tooth decay, but the flip side is it did do
a lot of other things that itactually wasn't intended to do.
Because fluoride willstrengthen teeth, no question
It'll strengthen teeth, butfluoride doesn't just stay put,
especially when takensystemically, which is what
happens when we drink it in ourwater.

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It doesn't just stay on yourteeth.
So what does fluoride do?
Well, fluoride interferes withiodine, and iodine is what
activates thyroid hormone.
So in the seventies, fluoridewas actually given to patients
that had hyperthyroidism.
Their thyroids were too activebecause they knew that fluoride
decreased thyroid function.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I did not know that.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
So now we're dosing it to every single person that
drinks the water.
So how many people do you knowthat have thyroid issues?
And low thyroid function andhow much of this could be
related to fluoride usage.
And enormous portion of it, sothat's one problem Fluoride
changes the structure of bonesbecause it actually makes teeth
and bones stronger and morebrittle.
Well, that's a problem when youget to bones.

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So it changes the density andthe structure of bones.
So we've seen an increase inbone fractures due to
fluoridation.
The third thing it does is itaffects brain health.
There was a brand new study inJanuary of this year that showed
literally equal.
If you increase fluoride thismuch, you decreased IQ in
children this much and it wasspecifically male children.

(54:37):
So very, very neurotoxic,changing the way the brain is
developing and working whenyou're using fluoride.
So let's put all these twothings together.
Okay, it strengthens teeth.
Did it eradicate tooth decay?
No, it leads to all these othersystemic health problems.
So was it worth it?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
No, especially when there's another answer, and the
answer is that teeth themselvesare made of something called
hydroxyapatite.
It's the complex that you seewhen you smile.
That's mineral complex.
Cavities aren't a deficiency offluoride, right?
They're a deficiency ofminerals.
So instead of adding fluoride,which was never there and which
will not stay put, let's justadd minerals, because guess what

(55:17):
?
Your body can use more mineralseverywhere, not just your teeth
.
So there is no side effect, noharm whatsoever, in just adding
minerals back.
So you need to be usinghydroxyapatite tooth care
products, toothpaste, mouthwash,tooth powder, all of the above
to just put back what was lost,to prevent or rebuild tooth
decay, and it won't hurt you inany other way.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Well, you set me up beautifully for my next question
, because you've talkedfrequently about the idea of
healing teeth and healing gums.
I was excited to see.
So we tend to think of those asnot being able to be healed.
But talk to me about the.
You know you mentioned theminerals.
What can people do who havegums or teeth that they want to
see healed?
Is it as simple ashydroxyapatite and getting more

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minerals, or are there otherthings that you would suggest?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Those are the biggies Hydroxyapatite from I call it
minerals from the outside,minerals from the inside.
So hydroxyapatite on theoutside and then on the inside
we use vitamin D3 and K2.
Vitamin D3 grabs the minerals,vitamin K2 puts them in the cell
.
So you can add a lot ofminerals, but if you don't
actually accompany it with thosevitamins, you end up just
calcifying a lot of things likegetting more tartar or kidney

(56:25):
stones or gallstones, instead ofputting the minerals where you
need them in your teeth.
So you need vitamin D3,2.
And then we have what's calleda tooth and bone formula, but
basically it's a mineral complex.
So minerals in and minerals out, and that's the best thing to
do.
For gums, I actually have areally amazing mouthwash just
literally was released two daysago.
I have an amazing mouthwash,but this one's a gum specific

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one, and what it does you know.
A lot of people talk about themicrobiome in the gut, right,
the gut microbiome.
Well, the mouth was part of thegut.
It's the first part of thedigestive tract and I like to
think of it as different roomsin the house.
So there's a room up here inthe mouth that has certain bugs.
There's a room in the stomachthat has certain bugs.
There's a room in the smallintestine that has certain bugs
job, and they're in that roomfor a reason.
Well, we don't want to disruptany of those bugs by trying to

(57:08):
treat, you know, one of theother rooms.
So traditional mouthwash ishigh in alcohol.
Well, alcohol is going to killevery bug.
If you're using Listerine,guess what you're doing?
You're upsetting the microbiomein your mouth and in your
stomach because it's going downthere and it's got bugs down

(57:31):
there too.
So no alcohol containingmouthwashes, for sure, for sure,
for sure.
So I have a new mouthwash thathas colloidal silver.
That's used for theantimicrobial exactly, and what
it does is it kills bad bugs,encourages good bugs.
But I've added to this formulaa prebiotic that's specifically
formulated to do exactly thatEncourage good microbial growth

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while killing bad bugs, bad bugsthat damage your gums and your
teeth.
So we have this was developed.
This prebiotic was developed bya woman who's a dentist and a
PhD.
She has a research scientistand she's tested, independently,
lab tested, this mouthwash andshe said this is literally the
gold standard.
Like this does everything youwant for mouth health.
So if you have gum problems, ifyou have tooth problems, this

(58:16):
is going to help both.
It's going to help rebuild yourteeth and rebuild your gums
with this prebiotic, thecolloidal silver, hydroxyapatite
, and it has some other herbalsin there as well, and it just
basically takes care of themouth and keeps it well.
That's really my purpose and mywhole goal is just I don't want
to see people once they'realready so sick.
Yeah, I want people to stay welland never have to get sick to
begin with.
So, from a dental standpoint aswell, you don't ever have to

(58:38):
get another cavity, you don'tever have to have gum disease.
You know, I tell people thatall the time, like my goal for
you is you never get anothercavity.
And they're like, oh, like thatcould happen.
I said, no, it can happen.
We're going to get youabsorbing minerals like you
should and taking care of thegum you know the gums like you
should, and you're never goingto have another cavity.
It's absolutely possible.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Wow.
Well, I'm excited to get yournew mouthwash I've been using.
I started using your other one.
It's awesome, but now that youhave a new one, I'm already.
I have a foam bar.
Well, I got to get this new one.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So this one's even.
Yeah, okay Well, you mentionedin your book and the book's a
few years old, so I wanted toget an update.
You mentioned there's apromising therapy for gums using
stem cells and fibrin as a wayto heal them.
Did that mature and become whatyou thought it might be, or is
that a Not completely?
And I believe it's becauseusually when using that, people
still aren't getting to rootcause.
So for gum recession it oftenrelates to that airway piece
that I talked about.
If you're not getting enough air, you're squeezing your teeth,
you're rocking the teeth and theflex zone I like to like.

(59:43):
If you ever went to SeaWorld,there's like a splash zone, you
know where there's a rock thatcomes out.
Well, there's a flex zone on thetooth too.
When you're grinding orsqueezing that tooth, it flexes
the tooth.
The gum sits right at the flexzone, so it moves down to find a
solid, non-flexing part of thetooth.
So we get gum recession becauseof airway problems, because of
bite issues.
So we can tack on some stemcells and things on the gums,

(01:00:08):
but if we haven't addressed thereason that the recession is
there to begin with, thenwhatever we've added is just
going to recede again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
The reason that it happened to begin with.
So those are the places I'mreally focusing is let's fix all
these root cause pieces.
Then we can create protocol forrebuilding once we fix that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Okay, got it Well.
Fabulous update.
Thank you for bringing me up tospeed and I like your logic on
that one.
Okay, so I guess if I'm, I'mtrying to put myself in the
shoes of the listener here, somaybe put your best bedside
manner or I guess, in your case,the chair side manner and and
maybe talk to a couple ofemotional issues I imagine
people are maybe having relatedto the conversation.

(01:00:49):
So first, last time you and Italked, I mentioned I did a
consultation with a man who hada ridiculous number of fillings
and root canals and he wasconvinced of everything we're
talking about today, but he wasalso convinced he couldn't do
anything for his health until hesaved $50,000 to get his teeth
fixed.
So talk to the listener maybeabout the expense or sticker
shock sometimes of dental work.
And what do you say to someonehearing this who's seeing the

(01:01:11):
problem clearly and they'reperhaps feeling a little
overwhelmed thinking about Idon't know if I can ever afford
this or what is it going to takeand disrupt my life?
Help them through thatemotional part of the journey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So two pieces.
Number one you don't have to doeverything all at once, and I
often will tell people likethey'll say well, I have to save
$50,000 because I have to beable to replace the teeth that I
take out.
You know, if there's failedroot canals, I have to be able
to replace them.
I said that's not true.
I, what I want you to do is Iwant you to get into a holding
pattern where nothing's gettingworse.
So I don't want anything goingdownhill.

(01:01:44):
Maybe you can't replaceeverything right now, maybe you
can't get to perfect right now,but I don't want you going
backward anymore.
So what does that mean?
That means you're going tostart with infection.
You're going to just startthere and you've got to get
infection out, because until youget infection out of the body,
the body's going to constantlybe inflamed, you're going to
have constantly depressed immunefunction and on and on and on
everything we've talked abouttoday.

(01:02:04):
So get infection out, period.
If there is one mercury fillingthat's breaking your tooth and
chronically leaking and leadingto issues, start there.
So it's all about meetingpeople where they are.
If they can't do it all, thendo one thing, just start with
one thing.
But a lot of this goes tooverwhelm as well, and I talk to
my team all the time and say,listen, somebody that's confused

(01:02:25):
cannot make a decision.
It's literal, proven.
This is like psychological thing, like if you have confusion,
you can't make a decisionbecause you can't be both of
those things at the same timedecisive and confused.
So we have to simplify it down,and that's where I'm always
saying, especially when I'mmeeting with patients, and
saying, listen, step number oneis this I told you everything

(01:02:45):
because we needed to think of itall in the context of
everything.
But I don't need you to do thisall at once.
I need you to do step numberone, and this is the most
important step, and this is whatI would like you to start with
right now.
So that's really what I wouldencourage you to do is go ask
the dentist where do I start?
I can only do one thing and bereally upfront with them.
This helps us as a dentist,because sometimes we feel like
we're shooting in the dark, likeI don't know if the person

(01:03:07):
sitting across from me has thefinancial means to take care of
$50,000 with a dentistry or ifthey have enough money to do
$500 of dentistry.
You know, I don't know, and soI can't really tailor that plan
unless that information isshared.
So if you, as a patient, if youhave financial limitations,
it's not something to beembarrassed of.
It's something that's actuallyvery useful for us, because if
you come in and you say I have$1,500 to spend, I say great,

(01:03:28):
let's figure out the very themost effective place for you to
start.
That's going to give you themost for those dollars.
And let's start there, becauseeven a little bit is going to
get you closer to well.
So that's, when it comes to adental perspective, when it
comes to a wellness perspective,just to health in general.
That's actually what my newbook is all about, because what
I've done is I've looked at allof the different options for

(01:03:50):
medicine and wellness and helpand everything in the whole
world.
And when I was sick myself, Iwas so overwhelmed but I
couldn't make a decision, Icouldn't emotionally move
forward because I didn't know.
Everybody was telling me you'vegot to eat like this, you've
got to move like this, you'vegot to take this supplement.
These are all one size fits allthings and that's not true.
So I studied all thesedifferent methodologies and what

(01:04:12):
I came up with was is what Icall a symptoms assessment.
So you plug your symptoms intothis assessment and at the end
it tells you which place tostart Cause, really like if you
were to cut your finger and youput a bandaid on your finger,
the bandaid doesn't do thehealing right.
Your body does the healing.
So our job is simply to giveyour body what it needs to do

(01:04:36):
its job.
And all medicine, every singlething out there is just simply a
band-aid.
It's just there to support yourjob, your body and doing its
healing.
So our job is to give ourselveswhat they need.
But how do we know that?
Yeah, how do we interpret thosesymptoms?
And that's what the assessmentis.
That I've created inside of thisis where do you start?
Which cell needs help first?
So let's say you plug in, I'mbloated, I've got digestive

(01:04:59):
discomfort, I'm just like,really ornery, I can't, I'm
stuck, I can't seem to moveforward in my job.
Like you plug in these symptomsand it pops up.
You are in a spring season andit's your liver and gallbladder
that need help first.
You go, okay, liver andgallbladder.
So what do they need?
All right, they need supplies,support, security and signals.
Those are the four things thatI have in my cell.
Well, formula, okay, what dothey need?

(01:05:20):
Supplies?
Wise, they need greens.
All right, you're going tostart eating a green smoothie
every morning.
Okay, they need support.
You're going to start drybrushing every, every day to
just help your liver detox anddump stuff.
So it's just a way to get yourfirst step.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Well done, what a cool tool.
I am eager to get your book andkind of digest that, because
that's a lot of what I try to dofor people is.
I take the overwhelming mass ofoptions and try to just call it
down like we don't fixeverything today.
Let's just where's the flashingred light.
Sometimes it's dentistry, othertimes it's other other things
and once you kind of you, givethem the path and to your point,
you you map out a journey andwalk it out over time, so much
easier to feel grounded as yougo through a healing journey.

(01:06:05):
You're not expecting it, that'sgood.
Better be fixed in two weeks orI'm.
It doesn't work like healingtakes time, so so well done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
But not only does healing take time, we also need
a motivation, and I believe youneed to have a first step that's
actually going to make somechange.
Yeah, that, I believe, isreally important too.
And so you have to have a largeenough first step, not
necessarily in effort, but inimpact.
You need a large enough firststep that you go.
I feel that, okay, I'm going tokeep doing this, you know.

(01:06:37):
And so getting down to the cellthat's giving, like putting,
like you said, putting up themost red flags, figuring that
out, that's really important,because you can throw a lot of
stuff at a lot of stuff, butunless you see the change,
you're not going to stick withit.
I joke that I have a supplementgraveyard in my house.
You know you get a supplementand you take it for a little
while and then you forget whyyou're taking it and then you

(01:06:57):
think I don't think it's reallydoing anything, and then you put
the half bottle over in thecupboard and then you know your
supplement graveyard now grows.
So that is a big, the mosthumongous waste of everything,
right?
Waste of expense, waste of hope, waste of everything.
So the steps you need to takeneed to make a difference.
So, that, again, is why theassessment is so important.
It gets you to which cells needhelp first and what do they

(01:07:21):
need first, so that you can seethat there's a change.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
So much wisdom and I can tell that's well honed and
well earned, because the coach Ideal with the brass tacks of
habit formation and behaviorchange and all the places where
we make excuses or ourmotivation fluctuations, and
it's unless you can have someway to address those there's
your percentage of people youhelp goes way down.
So I love it that you took thetime to write that book.
All right, Go out and get thebook If you're listening to it

(01:07:47):
ahead of the release.
Then be patient like me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
But otherwise we'll be on next week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, next week.
We're almost there, all right.
Second emotional puzzle Iwanted you to just speak to a
little bit is just talkingpeople through the emotions of
losing a tooth.
And this became personalbecause somebody I might be
married to wept when sherealized that she needed to have
a tooth pulled.
It's not like, hey, life'smoving forward and everything's
getting better, it's just like apart of us has been lost or

(01:08:12):
something, and so there's anemotional aversion or sense of
loss sometimes that goes withthat.
So speak to the listener who'smaybe just feeling the gut punch
of.
I don't think I can get myselfto do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, so there's actually another little.
This is where people reallystart to roll their eyes at me,
but this is a very it's a truth.
So teeth are crystals.
They're crystal in structure.
That's the way that they'remade.
If you look at the part you'relooking at as a crystal,
crystals actually hold emotions,so we often are storing
emotions in our teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Wow, I hadn't thought of it as a teeth story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Okay, keep going.
And like you know all of thosefeelings that none of us like to
feel disappointment, you knowall of that.
But also that there's storedemotions in those teeth
themselves that don't really, Imean.
You know you detox emotions allthe time.
They don't go out nicelysometimes, you know.
So there's a lot of thingsconnected.
As I discuss this with patients, I say when I was first doing

(01:09:31):
dentistry I was trained that mywhole job is to save teeth and
we were a failure, that as adentist we were a failure if we
didn't save a tooth.
And I look back on some of thethings and we jokingly in the
profession call it hero dontics,because we're doing something
for a tooth and we know darnwell it's not going to work, you
know, but we feel like it's.

(01:09:51):
We're going to be a hero forthis person we're going to do.
I mean, I distinctly rememberthis one woman and I just think
back.
I think there was no way thatwas going to be successful
long-term I guarantee you thattooth is not in her head anymore
.
But I thought I was doing her afavor and doing every single
thing I could possibly do.
But now I've learned that all ofthose things I was doing were

(01:10:11):
actually making people more illbecause they were leading to
Harvard infection, these hiddeninfections that I didn't even
know about and I mean, I didhundreds of root canals myself
before I learned this it was,this was hard pill to swallow as
a practitioner.
So now what I tell people is youknow what?
I used to do everything in mypower to save your tooth.
Now I do everything in my powerto save your health, even if it

(01:10:34):
means losing and replacing atooth, because I can replace
your teeth all day long, but Ican't replace your health once
it's gone.
So that is really the bottomline, and for patients as well,
is to say, okay, this is part ofa bigger hole.
This is going to give mebasically a new lease on life
and this is helping me get whereI am going.
It's going to take some timeand I'm not going to be thrilled
with the process for sure, butI'm going to get there and I'm

(01:10:57):
going to have more motivation,more health, more energy along
the way, so that every step isgoing to feel better than it
does right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, and to let it metabolize.
I'm worth the effort to do this, and my future is what's on the
line here, and the impact Icould have would be watered down
by continuing to be infectedand not at my best, and I love
this concept of healthspan andlifespan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I talk a lot about this.
Lifespan is the length of ourlife.
Healthspan is the quality ofour life.
And currently right now,lifespan is hitting around 73
years on average in the US.
It's decreasing and hasdecreased every two years in the
last two years, so we're goingin the wrong direction.
Health span has also decreased.
Right now, average health spanis 61.9 years, meaning after

(01:11:38):
that you will expect to havehelp being bathed uh, dressing
getting out of a chair 61.9years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Hello, so young Golly .

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Exactly so.
What I'm saying is these kindsof things are the things that
prolong your health span,because what I want to do is, if
I'm going to live to a hundred,I want to be healthy until I'm
99.9.
You know, that's what I want.
I want my health span to be aslong as my lifespan.
This is the kind of thing.
These sorts of chronicinfections are the things that
take away your health span andyour lifespan.

(01:12:08):
But your health span which tome is almost even more important
because I'm not if I'm notalive, but your health span,
which to me is almost even moreimportant because I'm not if I'm
not alive well, I'm not reallythat concerned with my quality
of life, because I don't havelife anymore While I'm alive.
I want to be living my life.
I want to be living well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, no, I often tell people death is inevitable,
but I don't think disease is.
We don't have to go that way we, but we need to know what we
don't know in order to shepherdour bodies through that and get
to 99.9 and be like okay, Ithink this is it for me.
Yeah, I had a good run.
Right, all right, well, sovarious people I respect in this

(01:12:41):
related to dentistry tell me tobe very careful about who you
listen to related to theiradvice.
So obviously I think you'd echothat.
So what are some of thequestions the average person
could ask, or what would theylook for to know they've found a
dentist who gets what you'retalking about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
So main things you're going to ask are what are your
beliefs on fluoride?
You?
know it's going to be a realgood indicator right off the bat
.
What's the philosophy?
What are your thoughts on rootcanals?
Do you have a cone beam CT scanmachine in your office that
that tells you again are theylooking for root cause?
What are your thoughts aboutmetals in the mouth?
So these are all questionsyou're just going to ask right

(01:13:18):
off the bat and these are thingsthat I have on my website that
I tell people.
These are the questions youwant to ask.
Fluoride root canals, metals,cone beam CT scan those are the
biggies.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
And that'll give you a real good clue on what are.
What's their philosophy of care?
Okay, and if they answer withthe what was the acronym you
said for effective metal cleanup?
That's not putting you at risk.
That would be smart.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yep.
Safe mercury amalgam removaltechnique is what that stands
for yes, smart.
It's through the I A, o, m T.
They're an organization thatyou can look up again.
There's a lot of dentists onthat directory, so go check out
their directory, iaomtorg, andmy directory on my website as
well,livingwellwithdrmichellecom,
because those are dentists thathave already shown that they are

(01:14:03):
sharing in these philosophicalbeliefs.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Okay, I love it.
So when I get interviewed, I amoften asked what do you eat for
breakfast?
Or give me your morning routine.
So tell us, dr Jorgensen, whatis your oral care routine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yep.
So what I do is I use all of myproducts.
Why?
Because they actually work.
In fact, I am like patientnumber one, so I have used my
tooth powder longer than anyoneelse because it was made in my
kitchen.
I'm currently using my newtoothpaste.
I am also patient zero actuallypatient zero for toothpaste.
It should be out in the nextmonth.
All of these things.
Mouthwash I currently ampatient zero with the new

(01:14:38):
mouthwash.
I was the first one to get it.
I use all of these thingsbefore I give them to you
because I want to make sure theyactually work.
So hydroxyapatite tooth careproducts.
I love an electric toothbrushbecause you can use it even when
you're lazy right.
Put an electric toothbrushbecause you can use it even when
you're lazy right, put it inthere and it's doing the work
for you.
You can see too many peopletheir mouths get full of foam.

(01:14:59):
This is why my products don'tfoam.
Also because when your mouthgets full of foam, you think
you're done, you think you'reclean, even though you've only
brushed like a third of yourteeth.
No, you have to brush them all,but so use toothbrush.
I like an electric toothbrush.
You're going to brush yourteeth.
You're going to tongue scrape.
Why?
Because tongue is where a lotof yeasts live.
So if you have issues with yeastproblems, which is often sinus

(01:15:19):
infections, chronic sinusinfections, sore tongues and
yeast infections elsewhere inthe body.
Those are often related totongue scraping.
So I'm going to tongue scrapeand then I'm going to mouthwash.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
And you have a copper tongue scraper.
So tell people why you have acopper one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Because copper is antimicrobial.
So when you're scraping you'rescraping bugs off so they're
going to stay living on thattongue scraper.
So when you go and tonguescrape again tomorrow, you're
going to basically reintroducethose bugs to your mouth that
you just scraped off yesterday,unless you use one that's
antimicrobial, that doesn'tallow bugs to grow on it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Nice, okay.
So, tongue scraper, use yourtoothpaste, tooth powder,
electric toothbrush.
Anything else you'd tell peoplethat would be a non-negotiable,
or?
Don't miss this.
Yeah, you know, you have aunique floss as well.
I don't know if you want tomention that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Yeah, so it's actually interesting.
This is a little known fact.
I don't floss.
Ah, man, and half of thelisteners rejoice, or most of
them, yeah exactly, I actuallydon't floss, and the reason I
don't floss is I don't have alot of dental restorations.
I've actually never had a cavity, so I'm so I've never had
cavity, but I don't have a lotof dental restorations and so my

(01:16:23):
gums fit quite tightly to myteeth.
I actually don't get my teethcleaned very often.
My team knows this.
They're like okay, is this likeyou know your seven year plan
here?
What's going on?
Hey, is this like yourseven-year plan here?
What's going on?
Like I don't actually haveanything to clean off my teeth.
So if you have dentalrestorations, you're gonna need
to floss, why?
Or you're gonna need to use awater pick or something to get
into there, because you havenooks and crannies that are hard

(01:16:43):
to clean.
If you don't have fillings onteeth, the gums fit quite
tightly against the tooth andwhen you floss you actually are
opening up more of a gap betweenthe gum and the tooth and you
may be introducing more problemsthan you're solving.
So it's not aone-size-all-fits-solution,
because if you have dental work,if you have fillings, crowns,

(01:17:04):
whatever, you've got to getthose cleaned.
You've got to get around them.
Things have already changed inyour mouth.
But if you don't have fillingson teeth, you may actually not
need to floss them, because wewant those gums to stay nice and
tight against the tooth toprotect the tooth.
So yeah, you got the deep stufftoday.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
No kidding, and tell people what's unique about your
floss.
It's black and it has a littlebit different texture.
What's special about the flossyou do, mav?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
It's bamboo charcoal and what it does is it is woven,
so as you floss down betweenthe teeth it's going to grab
bacteria and hold onto them andtake them out.
The charcoal actually is abinder, so when you use when you
like, if you were to swallow abottle of Drano and you were
sent to the hospital, they weregoing to pump your stomach.

(01:17:47):
They're going to fill it upwith charcoal.
Why?
Because charcoal is a binderand in fact you may use it for
detoxing.
So charcoal is a great binder.
So it's also going to grab tobacteria and any micro, anything
that's like living in betweenthe teeth and just hold it and
take it out.
But a trick when you're flossing, get enough floss that you can
actually move down the flosswhile you're flossing so you

(01:18:08):
don't use the exact same portion.
Otherwise, what you're doing isyou're cleaning the bugs out of
one spot and moving them to thenext spot because they're still
on that floss.
So you want a long enough pieceof floss so that you're using
the first end, moving it youknow, moving along.
Use the next piece, move italong, use the next piece so
that you're not justreintroducing bugs from one part
of the mouth to the other partof the mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Dang, I wouldn't have even thought of that.
I'm so glad I asked.
And then your, yourtoothbrushes that you sell are
wooden.
I'm like, of course, like, whywould we put plastic in our
mouth and just slowly whittlethat away so we can have another
source of plastic?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
exactly, and in the landfill and everywhere else.
You know so yeah yep, soeverything's biodegradable okay,
cool.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Anything else about your products that you want to
mention?
Obviously there are books there, but you have like video
courses.
You have yoga mats.
You've got deodorant, you'vegot.
So there are books there, butyou have like video courses, you
have yoga mats.
You've got deodorant, you'vegot so many things.
Are there other favorites youhave or things you want to
highlight about your productline?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Really, it's all just things that I found a lack in
the market for, things that Ipersonally wanted, and
everything that I formulateactually is formulated in my
kitchen.
People are like really, yep,literally is, I'm a cook and I'm
a scientist, and so you putthose two things together and
you make stuff in your kitchen,so my family will come in.
I'm like, hey, hey, hey, trythis, try this.
They're like, please, no,please, don't make me try.

(01:19:19):
No, no, no, no, try it.
This would taste good, Ipromise.
So I make't find.
So I decided to make them, andthat's where my next mission is
now happening and going.
So I have an interesting story.

(01:19:41):
I just shared this on socialmedia yesterday for the first
time.
Five years ago, I was told thatI had a personal mission and I
would be starting in December of2025.
And in my church, a mission isa thing you like leave for 12
months, 18 months, you go serve,you go do all this, and so
that's what I thought I'd bedoing, and so I've been doing
everything to mentor doctors,handpick my partner, doing all

(01:20:03):
these things for five years fourand a half years now, getting
ready for this place, andfinally have realized what this
mission is going to be.
I'm actually going to retraceDr Weston Price's footsteps.
If you're a nutrition, you knowhim.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I totally know him.
He was a dentist.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Not a lot of people know this, but he has really
shaped nutrition since he lived85 years ago, went and did his
research 85 years ago.
He shaped the nutritionallandscape.
Since that time no one's reallygone back and said this is what
he learned then.
What about now?
Are those people still.
Well, what has changed?
What has changed?
So I'm going to go back andretrace his steps and show us

(01:20:39):
what is happening in those areasand bring it back and simplify
it down to here's how we canstay well.
So it might be that there's newproducts coming, that there's
new things that we're going tobe bringing, but they're all
from the earth.
This is from the elements ofthe earth.
This is from the what the earthprovides for us, just taking us
back to the way our grandma'sused to stay well.

(01:20:59):
You know how did they stay well?
And how can we bring that back?
Because we're going the wrongway in the world today and we
need to turn the boat around andgo the opposite direction and
actually learn how to stay well.
So lots on the horizon.
Please check out my socialchannels.
So much free stuff on there.
I just talk about cool thingsall the time.
So, come on, I was just talkingabout how I was building this

(01:21:23):
cob, dirt and clay pizza oven inmy backyard and using cow
manure as the plaster on it.
I mean, you know, just likeweird cool stuff all the time.
So just come and follow along,because my whole purpose, my
whole mission is to help you alllive well, so that you can live
your mission.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Man well said.
And when I was reading yourbook I got through the parts
about the fillings and the rootcanals.
And then you start talkingabout nutrition.
I'm like, oh, she gets it.
There's a whole section onWeston A Price and on how to
make your foods digestible.
I'm like, oh, like so manydentists, they just they put you
in, like you just have to eatplants or there's there's so
many different nutritional holesin the way they tell you to eat

(01:22:01):
.
I'm like, but to find you and tofind we were in alignment on
our nutrition philosophy and youunderstood holistic health and
you were becoming a naturopathand you're looking at dentistry
and you've got a boldness tocall it out.
I can, I can just feel themission that oozes out of you
and just I'm honored to know you.
I'm honored to amplify yourmessage and and and direct
people to your products.
We'll have even a coupon codein the show notes.

(01:22:22):
You can get a discount on ourproducts.
So all right.
Anything else you want to list,let the listener know as we
start to wrap up.
You obviously mentioned theFind a Dentist link.
Maybe give them your socialhandles or your website one more
time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yep, livingwellwithdrmichellecom, and
please go and purchase the book.
It's not for me.
Actually, all profits from thebook are going to charity.
We're going to be supportingregenerative agriculture, clean
water initiatives all the thingsthat are going to help us all
live well.
So this is not padding mypocketbook.
What it's doing is it's helpingus all to live well, better in
the world, and it's tellingbooksellers and publishers that

(01:22:54):
these are the kind of bookswe're all interested in.
The more of this book thatsells, the more of these kinds
of books they will support.
So go buy the book it shouldhopefully be out by the time
this is coming out and then goback onto my site,
livingwellbookcom, and get theassessment, the digital
assessment that I've beentalking about.
Go get it for free, as well asyour first steps guide.

(01:23:15):
It's all just there to help youlive well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Wow, all right.
Well, you are a gem and a giftto humanity.
Thank you so much.
I don't know how many people'slives may have been saved just
from this one episode, but, onbehalf of the listener, thank
you for taking the time.
I so appreciate it and lookforward to talking to you in the
future.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Thank you.

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