Glenn Meder: Digital Shackles - Are We Sleepwalking Into A High-Tech Prison? - Deconstructing Conventional

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 49.
If you've been following mywork, then you know I like to
talk about two main topicshealth and freedom and to talk
about those.
We often have to talk about thesystems that empower health and
freedom or the systems thatinfringe on them.
My guest today is a man namedGlenn Meter.
Glenn is the face behind thecompany, the Privacy Academy,

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which is all about helpingpeople understand the agendas
and risks inherent in the techindustry.
About helping people understandthe agendas and risks inherent
in the tech industry andteaching people how to become
private and secure online.
I wanted to bring him on todaybecause I perceive him to be a
systems level thinker andsomeone who isn't afraid to talk
about tough topics.
Like me, he is a man on amission to help people live free
, and his work attempts totackle a big topic.

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So what I do for people in thehealth realm removing overwhelm,
pointing out gimmicks,clarifying the important and
distilling complexity down intoaction steps Glenn does that for
the complicated world of tech.
So during the interview, wezoomed out and looked at what is
happening internationally interms of free speech, privacy
and technocracy ie the use oftechnology to enslave people and

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I asked Glenn to stress test myperspectives on some of the
things that I think arehappening in the world of tech
today and some reasons we oughtto remain vigilant.
So I actually had two topics Iwanted to ask Glenn about during
the interview, but he only hada small window of time, so I may
bring him back on to talk more,but today I figured I'd just
mention the two extra topicshere in the intro to add some

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additional context for theconversation I'm about to play
for you and, by the way, I'm notclaiming to speak for Glenn in
this introduction.
I don't know his perspective onsome of what I'm about to say.
Anyway, the first of the twotopics we didn't get to are that
of hackers, spammers and onlinepredators, and the second was
the topic of Doge, or theso-called Department of
Government Efficiency, and someof the red flags I see happening

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in that arena.
So first, on the topic ofhackers, spammers and online
predators, boy oh boy.
If you want a reason to startworking to establish your
digital privacy, that topicalone is reason to take Glenn's
course.
Here's just a few of the thingsI came across as I was studying
for this episode.
The first was that hackers, oreven the government, have the

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ability to turn on our mics andcameras on our devices without
us knowing that, and thatincludes the hidden cameras on
your smart TV or even thecameras in our fancy new
vehicles that literally watchyou while you drive.
And, like I said, they can beturned on without us knowing it.
Next was an article I found inthe Epoch Times about zero click

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attacks, and the short versionis that if hackers want to, they
have a way to try to findsomething they can install on
your device and you no longerneed to click anything in order
to open something.
So they can install on yourdevice and you no longer need to
click anything in order to opensomething.
So they can just hack yourdevice with a call, a text or an
email and exploit weaknessesand various apps that you
already have and get them toopen files and run programs

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without your awareness.
Essentially, any number of appscould be a Trojan horse, and
even some suspect that theoperating systems themselves are
allowing that capability.
That's why open-sourcedsoftware is so important.
Another thing I found as I wasresearching is and I guess I
shouldn't have been surprised bythis but scammers can just buy
massive amounts of your data andthe more of it they have, the

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more targeted they can get withhow they try to scam you.
So I actually have a dearclient who recently had a
healthy five figures wiped outof her bank account by a scammer
.
Just two days ago my one of mycredit cards was compromised and
I have to get replaced, and Inever lost the card.
I have no idea where someonecould have hacked that, but it
was a great reminder that I haveto do a better job of

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protecting my data.
And lastly, I'll mention a postby Jeff Childers, who wrote a.
He writes a really popularsubstat called coffee and COVID,
if you don't know him, but hehad a post on May 6 of 2025,
that did a bang up job of layingbare the predatory use of
social media to entrap minorsinto filming or photographing,

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let's say, naughty behaviors.
That essentially gets used tobuild a blackmail control file
on the child and then thepredator keeps escalating what
the child is supposed to do tokeep the previous bad behavior
from being revealed to thepublic.
So Jeff described it as theworst, most horrifying story
he's ever had to cover, largelybecause of the scope of it and
how heinous the escalation is towhat the children are asked to

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do, so I'll link to that articlein the show notes.
But the breadth of the problemis shocking and it has the
stated goal of being a tool, toquote accelerate the collapse of
the West from the inside.
Ouch, it is seriously wellorganized.
So, parents, please teach yourkids about these threats.
And a great place to start with, maybe.

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Maybe just have them watch thedocumentary the Social Dilemma,
or you can play for them therecent disgusting interview with
Mark Zuckerberg in the last fewweeks, where he talks about
normalizing the idea of kidshaving AI friends in lieu of
real friends.
It is just gross how muchinfluence and control they want
to exert over our kids lives,and they are happy to exploit

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loneliness in order to do that.
So, quick aside, I applaud Jefffor the article and I deeply
respect his work, but I thinkhe's also got some blind spots
regarding some of what'shappening in the tech world, and
I'll mention a bit more aboutthat as I go on.
Okay, moving on my on my nextepisode, I'm actually going to
tell you about the experience mywife and I have gone through
and making the switch to degoogled, privacy based phones,

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and some of you may rememberepisode number 36, where I
interviewed Sean PatrickTheriault and we talked about
digital sovereignty and therisks of staying in the big tech
ecosystem, and back then I hadnot yet switched to a privacy
based phone.
So that was a big step for usto break up with our iPhones and
exit one more section of thewalled garden of big tech.
So if you have not switched toa privacy phone, you can check

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out my upcoming my interviewwith Sean, or I have an upcoming
interview next week where I'lltalk all about my process of
going through that.
Okay, so the next topic that Idid not have time to cover with
Glenn is probably going to be abitter pill for some of you, and
you'll hear me say in theinterview I do think there's a
lot of good that is happeningtoday in terms of corruption

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getting some much neededsunlight, and I also think
things like the vaccine industryis finally getting much of the
well deserved criticism, and Icould list many more examples of
wins we can celebrate.
But this show isn't just aboutcheerleading things I like.
It's also about attempting tosharpen our discernment to see
through the narratives and theagendas and the spin or the

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frameworks of the so-calledconventional experts.
So to set the table for therest of what I have to say, one
filter that I apply in order totry to have discernment about
world events is the quote fromMontague Norman from 1924.
Back then he was the head ofthe Bank of England and I think
we would all do well to applythat lens to today's political

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landscape, even if it brings upsome uncomfortable questions.
So Montague said of the bankers, the people who control the
money supply.
He said we must use thepolitical party system to divide
the populace over questions ofno importance.
So if you want to hear the fullquote and a lot of commentary I
have about that, you can checkout episode number 32, which is

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currently my fifth most popularepisode.
So what I hear in that quote isthat politics, the political
party system, is puppeteered bythose who control the money to
be a distracting theater.
Politics is akin to a magiciangetting you to watch one hand
while the trick is beingperformed in the other one.
That is essentially what Ithink is happening today, and

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some of the smartest people Iknow are being fooled by it in
real time.
Are you listening, jeffChilders, if you've heard
episode number 32 aboutdeception and control and my
perspective on the covert globalgovernance system.
Then you've heard me encourageeveryone to keep an eye on the
prize of everything related todigital.
So to me that represents theend game of what power hungry

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people want to do.
So my intent with the rest of mycomments here isn't necessarily
to get you to agree witheverything I say.
If all this episodeaccomplishes is for you to say,
okay, that's fair, I didn't knowthat or I hadn't thought of
that, then if that happens, I'vedone my job.
And again I'm here to stretchyour thinking.
So let me give you my reallyuncomfortable thesis here and

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then I'll give you the evidence.
I see that I think could giveus all some healthy skepticism,
and, by the way, I'll have abunch of links for you in the
show notes in case you care toread more.
So here's my thesis and why Ithink, really why I wanted to
have Glenn on the show.
I think here in the US we arebeing slow walked into a
surveillance state, into asocial credit system that would

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rival or exceed that of China,and it pains me to say this, I
take no pleasure in saying it,but I don't think the deep state
lost the last election.
I think what we are watching isa theater of political magic
tricks.
Now, before half of you turn meoff, let me just quickly state
my case.
So my first real kind of ohseriously, bummer moment was
since Trump got elected wasactually at the inauguration,

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when he didn't place his handson the two Bibles that were next
to him.
So we can all just assume thatwas an oversight and maybe give
him the benefit of the doubt,but to my knowledge he has never
publicly mentioned anythingabout that.
So I think it's fair to atleast entertain the possibility
that that was intentional.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't,but it is at least a data point,
okay.
So anyway, with that data point, here's the short version of

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why I figured having Glenn onthe show was important, and I'm
curious if, like me, he seeswhat's happening in Doge as
theater, or does he really thinkfreedom is being restored?
So, based on what I see, I hateto see it, but I think Doge is
a magic trick.
I think after COVID, we arejust ravenous for justice and
those in power are throwing ussome red meat of token wins to
make us think things arechanging in a significantly good

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way.
So here's why I say thatBecause if Doge was fulfilling
its mission to bringtransparency and expose fraud
and corruption and waste, Ithink they would be doing things
very differently.
If you wanted to bringtransparency to the federal
government, the first placeyou'd start would be to audit
the New York Fed, where thefederal government has its bank
accounts.

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You'd actually ask to see whereall the money is going.
Or you'd audit the Departmentof Defense, which has not passed
an audit in several years.
You'd also audit HUD, or thehousing and urban development.
So mortgages are the biggestexpense people typically take,
and thus HUD is the place forthe biggest opportunity for the
largest amount of fraud Thinkmultiple mortgages listed on the

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same house.
That department would be aneasy place to hide large amounts
of money.
And lastly, if Trump wasserious about transparency, he
would reverse FASB 56.
If you don't know, that, that'sthe Federal Accounting
Standards and Advisory Board and, in particular, rule no 56.
That rule was put in placeduring his first term in office

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and it allows the federalgovernment to keep secret books.
That rule has not been reversedand I'd love to see when
someone asked Trump or Muskabout all four of the things I
just mentioned.
So if, by chance, you're in thepress and you can publicly get
that question to them, please doso.
On the one hand, we have whatisn't being audited, but it gets
worse than that.
What is being audited are allthe records of we, the people,

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social Security, medicaid andMedicare, the Treasury and the
IRS our data.
What's worse is that it appearsthat Planeteer is getting
access to all our data.
So you may remember fromepisode 32, and I told you to
keep an eye on Planeteer.
It is a massive data miningcompany and you could think of
it as the head of the snake ofthe surveillance state.

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Planeteer's original contractwas with the CIA and now it is
used by all 17 US intelligenceagencies.
And strangely, just to rub alittle salt in the wound, last
week the Supreme Court blockedan order requiring Doge to
answer FOIA requests a freedomof information request and the

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Supremes gave us no insight intothe logic of that ruling.
So maybe they will reverse thator maybe not.
But how long will Doge not besubject to FOIA requests and
what will happen in the interimwhile they're not subject to it?
So here's the uncomfortablepossibility for us to entertain,
ie.
Here's what may be going on inthe magician's other hand.
Maybe we should at leastentertain the possibility that

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the civil service is beinghollowed out and our data is
being privatized intocorporations that can't be
FOIAed and don't have a legalobligation to be transparent.
Now, admittedly, that is anuncomfortable thought, but based
on the evidence, we can't saythat's not happening.
It looks more likely that it is,and I think it's time that we,
the people, make a ruckus aboutthat.

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Wherever you can see, if youcan get these fair questions
into the public conversation,the more of us that are talking
about it and asking thesequestions, the more we can see
what's happening and the morework we can do to protect our
liberties.
That is why I'm taking the timeto point this out.
As I just said, as you'll hearme say during the interview,
this episode is kind of partpublic service announcement and

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part call to action.
So I'm not going to allowmyself to get too long winded
here, because there's a lot moreI could say, but let me just
say this we all know that the USgovernment has a massively
unsustainable debt and Doge.
When they started, promised $2trillion of spending cuts and
then it got reduced to $1trillion and then $150-something
billion, and now, in theso-called big, beautiful bill,

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the bottom line is that thefederal spending is only
increasing, and they raised thedebt ceiling again.
So so much for lowering thedebt.
There's one other predictableway governments erase debt, and
I'll let you extrapolate whatthat is.
But maybe tariffs will helpwith that, or maybe that is
theater too.
What we can definitively say isthat Doge is not living up to
its promise and, based on what Ijust told you, it may be

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another banker-induced magictrick.
So, friends, I don't mean to bethe bearer of bad news, but if
we are being slow-walked intomore emergencies and more
surveillance, better we learnthis and face it now, while we
can do something about it andfor what it's worth.
I think we're as likely to seea real audit of the New York Fed
and the Department of Defenseand HUD and a reversal of FASB

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56 as we are to get the Epsteinfiles.
So, as your friend, I would justencourage you to not hold your
breath or to act as thoughSuperman is in office and we've
all been saved.
Are you listening, jeffChilders?
So let me put it to you thisway Do we think it's wise to
have blind trust in big tech, ordo you think that everybody in

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big tech had a change of heartand now all they care about is
building out a giantinfrastructure to protect our
freedom?
Do you think they would nevertry to digitize everything about
us for any other reason than toprotect us?
Do we really have that muchfaith in them and if so, what is
that trust based on?
Those are honest questions.

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Okay, to add some more context,one thing Glenn and I touched on
in this interview is followingthe money being spent to build
out a digital infrastructure inthis country.
So let me ask the question thisway If a social credit system
isn't being built, please pointme to some evidence that that's
not what's happening.
And, by the way, since Irecorded this interview, trump
declared an emergency for thedevelopment of nuclear power.

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And please tell me I'm not theonly one skeptical of
governments declaring emergency.
That is usually the pretensefor the suspension of our
liberties, so keep that in mindas you listen to this interview.
All right, that said, I'd bethrilled to host a podcast and
have everyone tell me I waswrong, and you can all throw
tomatoes at me and call me names, and I will gladly take it.
I hope I'm wrong about this,but in the meantime, you have

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been warned that some of thelegit wins we are getting
exposing corruptions may be amagic trick designed to keep us
focused on what bankers callquestions of no importance.
They're in game to owneverything and lock us into a
digital prison, seems to bemoving forward with different
packaging.
So keep your eyes on the techworld and please start taking

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back control of your data andyour devices.
That is why what Glenn has toteach you is so important.
Peacefully resisting this whilewe can is how we win.
If we don't hold the lineagainst digital tyranny here in
the US, it could be a long anddark night for humanity, and I
don't think I'm overstating that.
So be sure to check out my nextepisode for some honest,

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practical insights into how I'mdoing my best to practice what
I'm preaching to you here today.
Okay, one last thing I'll saybefore I play the interview, and
often when people ask myopinions on these topics and
then I tell them what I think,the typical response I get is
not huh, what evidence do youhave for that, or even what can
we do about it?
The question I get the most isoften where is your hope, which

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is an interesting switch fromthe logical, evidence-based
realm into the emotional one,and I don't think that switch is
a bad thing.
I think it's a very importantquestion, because without hope
our will is broken, but withhope we have the reserves to
face hard things.
So, for what it's worth, myanswer to the question about
where is your hope is that ourhope is not in who governs us or

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what laws we pass or whattechnologies we invent.
Our hope is in the power of Godto work in the hearts of people
.
Our hope is in the reality thatthe desire for freedom and
autonomy and dignity cannot berooted out of the human heart.
We will always crave thosethings and on a long enough
timeline.
The ingenuity of thatunshakable drive in us will

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always cause us to come togetherto do the work to overthrow
those who wish to enslave us.
We will always win One becausethere are way more of us than
them, and two because those inpower just can't get their head
around the simple fact that wewant to be free.
They're too blind in theirambition and they think they
just didn't do a good enough jobwith communism or collectivism

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the last time and that it'llwork this time.
It will fail every time, likeit always has.
And if you've not seen thedocumentary A Force More
Powerful, check it out andyou'll see six historical
examples of exactly what I'mtalking about.
So the sooner we faceuncomfortable things, the sooner
, with God's help, we can fixwhat needs to be fixed.

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So if you're curious to hearmore about why I don't live with
fear and what keeps me groundedand hopeful, you can check out
episode number 40.
It's a short one, but it's agood one.
Okay, I'll keep doing my bestto bring you episodes that
stretch your thinking and helpyou live a free and vibrantly
healthy life, and I promise tostay hopeful as I do it.
So if you appreciate the showand you want to show me some

(18:31):
love and support, you can findthe details for how to do that
in the show notes.
And if you're interested inlearning more from Glenn, he has
agreed to do a special webinarfor my audience.
I'll let you know he offers asweet discount on the Privacy
Academy for people who attendthe webinar.
You can find a link to thewebinar or the webinar replay in
the show notes.
Okay, without further ado.

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Here is my interview with myfellow freedom fighter, privacy
advocate and a guy who eatscomplicated for breakfast, mr
Glenn Meter.
All right, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
My guest is Mr Glenn Meter, andyou could describe him as a
freedom fighter and privacyexpert.
He has spent the last decadeeducating people about the

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surveillance state and teachingthem how to reclaim privacy.
So Glenn is also the founder ofthe Privacy Academy, which is
an online program that teachesaverage non-techie people like
myself how to take back controlof their data and become private
and secure online.
So, glenn, welcome to the show.
Thanks for taking the time tojoin me today.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, thank you very much.
It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right on.
Well, okay, so before we get tosome of the solutions you
created, let's just first tellpeople your story and then we'll
kind of walk through that,because it helps frame the
problem that you've reallydedicated your professional life
now to addressing.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Sure, yeah, so I was telling you before we got on
here with that.
My early background was myfamily business.
My father has a business makingwater distillers, so Pure Water
mypurewatercom is their website, and that's what I did for a
long time and that's what I didfor 20 years or so, and one of
the things that I learned.

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That's one of the ways that Ilearned to kind of see the world
differently, because you know,they, they say that you're,
you're drinking water safe andand everyone says every city
says you're drinking aredrinking water safe, but what
they don't say is that you're,they're using the legal
definition of the word safe andit's like this is a total scam.

(20:26):
You know, there's all of thesecities that have these dangerous
contaminants in the water aresaying that the water is safe
and it's right legally, butthey're using the legal
definition of the word safe, notthe English language definition
of the word safe.
So that was my firstintroduction to you know, you
can't really trust what they'resaying.

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You can't trust the government.
They have their own agenda, allof this stuff.
So that was kind of my firstexperience there.
That was years, that wasdecades ago actually.
So and then I, you know, overthe years I've been always been
fascinated with privacy andsecurity and online privacy and

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security, and I used to listento Arbel.
Then I watched what happenedwith the Patriot Act and they
really put some crazy stuff inthe Patriot Act.
They're spying on us illegally.
And then we saw what happenedwith Edward Snowden and you know
, it's amazing.

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Here's a whistleblower who letsthe cat out of the bag that
they are totally spying on us.
They're able to turn the cameraon on your computer and watch
you and listen to you withoutthe little light going off, by
the way, and they're able to doall of this stuff.
And they do it.

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And who got in trouble?
Edward Snowden got in troubleand he got chased to Russia and
no one else got in trouble.
They're still doing it.
They've doubled down, they'vetripled down, they're still
doing it.
And it's very, very concerningand, by the way, just kind of a

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tangent there.
What people don't know aboutthat, with the whole Edward
Snowden thing and the NSA, isall of those hacking tools that
the NSA developed.
The NSA was hacked and allthose hacking tools were stolen
by China and a lot of otherhacking groups, so they have.
You know that's what happenswhen you spy on your people.

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You know it's not good.
And then so I really got intoprivacy and security.
I was studying it for manyyears and then COVID hit and

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what I could see with myperspective on privacy,
coordinated event and all ofthese companies are working
together to put thissurveillance state in and we
could see, kind of we, we werekind of able to see all of this
stuff unfolding and we're kindof able to put some pieces
together.
You know, they're putting adigital id together, that which
is a vaccine passport, um,they're they're doing cvdc's.

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All of these things are comingtogether in a social credit
system and the goal is andtyranny, and absolute tyranny
and really enslavement of thehuman race.
And I don't want to sound toonegative right off the bat, but
that's not necessarily wherewe're going, but that's where
they want to take us.
And so that's when I got reallyinspired to share to the world

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about.
We have to do this, we have toget private and secure.
It's very important for us todo this.
And so that's when I reallystarted Privacy Academy and we
started training people how toget private and secure.
And I will say that it ispossible to get private and
secure.
And you know, I think there's alot of.
One of the mechanisms they useis to try to make you feel

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hopeless that it doesn't work.
But you can take steps to getprivate and secure.
We can do this thing where wecan get, we can preserve our
liberties, and I still thinkthat's possible.
But they have their own plans,and their own plans are very,
very sinister, and this isglobally coordinated, and

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they're putting all these piecesin place.
We got to get our act togetheron this.
So, anyway, that's my, that'smy rant.
I don't know if I went too longon it or not.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, it's fine.
It's just you telling yourstory and what you see happening
.
So it's funny.
Your, your work, overlaps withmine in so many ways, in that
both of us are looking at ajaw-dropping level of complexity
and distractions or gimmicksand trying to find out what's
really happening here and inyour lane.
You take this overwhelmingcomplicated world of tech and

(25:14):
you help your privacy academy,I'm happy to say, a member of,
and it is brilliant.
You walk people through.
You can't eat the whole elephantone bite there's no such thing
as a cookie cutter way to dothis but you have the first
principles behind.
Here's where you go first,here's what you do next.
And you even say if you try todo all this at once, you're
going to overwhelm yourself.
So don't, let's just let's justtake it one bite at a time.

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And that's really what I do inthe world of health is just help
people see past the shinyobjects and get back to first
principles.
And so, yeah, that's abrilliant service that you offer
.
But what you highlighted therewas just why do we even need
that in the first place?
So what I like to do on thisshow is define terms often, so
define for people who may nothave their fully formed idea of

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what is a social credit system,or what do you mean by
surveillance state?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, so it's basically it's a digital control
system.
So you know, if you lookthrough tyrants throughout
history, they would love to havethe level of control that our
people have now.
And I use the example of thefounding fathers.
Imagine if, back in 1776,britain had the level of

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surveillance that our governmenthas on us now.
If they were able to see whereevery person was every second of
the day, who they met with, ifthey can listen in on what
they're talking about, even intheir homes.
If they can listen in on whatthey're talking about even in
their homes, if they could seewhat you're writing, maybe even
before you publish it, if theycan see where your money is,

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what you spend it on all of thatstuff, what would have happened
?
We know what would havehappened.
Founding fathers would havebeen rounded up and executed.
They would have been just afootnote in history if we ever
heard of them at all.
And that's really the level ofcontrol that they have now they
have, you know, I think we'reall aware to some degree of this

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surveillance.
You know we talk around ourphones and then you know we're
talking about.
You know I'd love to go seeStonehenge someday, or whatever.
And then boom, all of a suddencomes up this special trip to
Stonehenge in England and anddoing a cruise around Ireland or
whatever, I don't know, butthat kind of thing, we've all

(27:36):
seen that.
But it is so much more thanthat.
They're putting the controlmechanisms in to really control
us, and this starts with thedigital ID.
So digital ID is very importantand you can see Kristi Noem
really pushing the real ID now.
And this is something thatthey've been trying to do since,

(27:58):
you know, early 2000s, but nowthey're really getting serious
about it, and so you can kind ofput those thoughts aside that
Trump is going to change thingsfor the better in this regard.
This is, I mean, they're goingfull bore into this, and so it
starts with the digital ID.
Now, when you have the digitalID, so you have the real.

(28:21):
ID, that that that attachesitself to you.
It will attach the biometricsto you, all of that stuff.
Now what you'll notice is, allthe States now are pushing these
child safety bills, or childonline safety bills, and so
these are these bills that are.
You know, we're going to lock.
We're going to protect yourkids from online porn and it

(28:44):
sounds like a great cause, right?
Who would be against that?
You're not going to be againstthat.
Or we're going to protect yourkids from online social media
and all of this stuff.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to just make age
requirements for these sites,and so we're going to age-gate
parts of the Internet.
But here's the thing how dothey know the age of the kids

(29:06):
unless they know the age ofeverybody?
And how do they know thatthat's you unless they tie that
everything that you do online,everywhere you go to you?
And so what these child safetybills actually are is a
mechanism for an online digitalID that follows you around

(29:27):
online and totally destroys anythought of privacy, any thought
of anonymity.
They're working with the bigtech companies, so Apple, google
, microsoft, they all have thisability embedded into the
devices now where they're goingto be able to attach it to you,

(29:48):
and then, once they put thesesystems in place, and then they
have the CBDCs, the central bankdigital currencies, and most
people don't understand what thecentral bank digital currencies
are.
Central bank digital currenciesare programmable money.
It's not about it being digital, it's about being programmable,
and so what that means is wecan look right now in England.

(30:14):
What they're doing is they'rerounding up people I mean like
30 people a day.
They're arresting and puttingin jail for tweets that they do.
Right, so they're.
They're just watching whatyou're doing with tweets and
they're throwing you in jail.
One lady just held up a phoneand was just streaming a riot
that was happening.
She got thrown in jail for ninemonths.

(30:35):
Other some other guy got put injail for two years for putting
bumper stickers out aroundsaying you know, we got to stop
this immigration problem andit's going crazy.
Now what they're going to dowith the CBDC and why they want
it to be programmable, is,instead of just throwing you in

(30:56):
jail, you do a tweet on Twitterthat they don't like.
Boom, you've got a $500 fine.
Instantaneously it goes to yourpocketbook.
And then you do another one$300 fine.
You do something over here,$300, fine, and so they can
train you like a dog.
I mean, that's really what thebeauty of the CBDC thing is, and

(31:21):
we saw this with the Canadiantrucker convoy where they got
their bank accounts frozen butall of this comes together in a
social credit system, and thesocial credit system is a set of
rewards and punishments.
You know, you do this and yourscore goes higher.

(31:41):
You go do this and your scoregoes higher.
You go do this and your scoregoes lower, and then that will
affect everything in your life.
And so, coming back I mean thisis a long way to come around to
your question the car you askedfor the carbon credit score,
right?
Is that what you asked me?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Well, no, just just defining the terms of social
credit system, because they'reonce.
I want people to see the thebroad strokes of what this is.
Essentially.
What you're laying out is it'sa permission-based economy.
If we are good little citizens,our permissions are granted.
If we're not so good, they'regoing to take permissions away
from us, based on whoever theyare, and decide what we, the

(32:19):
people, are supposed to or notsupposed to do, think, behave.
If your car doesn't, you know,if you drive too far, you get to
your point.
The wrong amount of carbonscore, they can just make your
car not work.
Your credit card won't work atthat gas station.
Like.
It really is a next-level,shocking amount of control that
those in power seem to bereaching for aggressively right
now.
Did I sum that up reasonablywell?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
No, it's perfect.
And you aggressively right now.
Did I sum that up reasonablywell?
No, it's perfect.
And you know, why are theypushing electric cars so much?
Why are they pushing electriccars so much when we don't have
the electric grid to handle theelectric cars?
They're doing it becauseelectric cars are controllable,
right.
And they're doing the electric,the smart homes and the
electric, all of that stuff,because they want control over

(33:02):
it.
They can't control a gaspowered car that has no
computers on it, right.
They want it all to fit intothis, into this package.
And so if you look on Google,if you go to Google flights
right now and look up any flight, you'll see a price.
And then, right next to you,you'll see a carbon credit score
and it's just as big as theprice.

(33:25):
They're not doing that to helpthe environment.
They're doing that because theyhave the infrastructure in
place for the carbon creditscore.
So they want to give us each acarbon credit score.
And so, for the greater good,we have to all use less carbon.
And if we use too much carbon,then you're exactly right.
Your electric car is not goingto charge all the way or you're

(33:48):
going to be restricted on howfar you can drive it, or you
might not be able to buy redmeat this month, because you
know carbon, you know they'vetied cows into the whole global
warming thing and so they've gotthis whole thing mapped out
about how they want to do this.
But it all depends onsurveillance.
Everything about it depends onsurveillance, and so that's what

(34:14):
I try to talk about.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
One of the points I heard you make before was that
if they don't have our data,they don't have the ability to
control us.
Our option now is to take awaytheir access to our private data
and make it really hard forthem to be able to surveil us,
and that really is the end goalof what this conversation is
about is helping people see thebig enough sense of the picture,

(34:37):
because really, if you don'tknow what China looks like these
days, they've already got thisgoing.
This is not an imagined thing.
China is the I guess, thestandard bearer, if you will,
for what this looks like.
You can now pay for yourgroceries or your water or
whatever with your hand or yourface.
They have all of that workedout and essentially, they are

(34:59):
slaves to a government.
And even I think it's this yearI think it was Eric that was
telling me that in October thedigital euro is set to be rolled
out so we've got China to lookat, and then seeing what happens
this fall in Europe will tellus a lot about how this type of
system is going to look or workor how much pushback it will

(35:19):
actually get.
But do I have that right?
Is that what's coming this fallto look or work, or how much
pushback it will actually get.
But do I have that right?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Is that what's coming this fall?
Yeah, I mean it's.
They're already.
I don't know the exact date ofthe digital euro.
They put these dates out thereand then they push them back and
whatever, but they are.
They have been playing aroundwith CBDCs for a number of years
, over 180 countries around theworld have been testing CBDCs.
You know, nigeria, bahamas allof these places have been

(35:47):
testing these things, and Ithink it's mostly about how do
we get it adopted.
Yeah, and I mean, there's sometechnical stuff behind the
scenes, but I think it's mainlyhow do we get people to accept
these CBDCs, and you know so.
They're definitely putting allthis stuff in place.
Now, one thing real quick aboutwhat you just said is, yes,

(36:10):
it's about controlling your.
You can limit the data that youprovide to them, but I want to
be clear that it's not just assimple as like a VPN, because
there's a lot of influencers andyou know radio hosts and
everything that advertise VPNsas being like the end-all,

(36:31):
be-all that you need to do toremain private.
Absolutely not.
I mean, vpn is a small piece ofthe puzzle, but there is so
much more that you have to do.
It's actually you know.
You mentioned the risk of beingoverwhelmed.
Yes, it is, there's a lot toknow, but that doesn't mean you
have to be overwhelmed.
You just have to do it right,you know?

(36:52):
Just okay, do this, don't thinkabout anything else, then do
this.
Don't think about anything else, Just do this and then do this,
and then you look back and yousay, wow, I've really come a
long way.
And then you just keep growingand just doing it methodically
of learning what you need tolearn.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
People can't tell where you are.
But you're right, that's justone step of many to actually
have some digital sovereignty ordigital privacy back.
So, before we get into theweeds of some of what's going on

(37:35):
in the US, you and I are both,I guess, optimists by nature,
and I promised in the beginningof this whole podcast that this
will be a place of hopefulrealism.
But we're hopeful because thereare solutions.
But we have to be real aboutthe threats we face or we're
going to be sleepwalking intothings we do not want, and in
this case there may not be abigger end game going on than
what's happening here.
But before we get into some ofthe reasons for potential

(37:56):
concern in the US, tell peoplewhy you're optimistic.
Give us some hope or someperspective on the opportunity
in front of us to make sure thatwe don't let this social credit
system get installed here inthe US.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, I would say that I am cautiously optimistic.
I am optimistic.
I think let me kind of put thisinto perspective that what they
are trying to do is enslave thehuman race and that, if they are
successful, every generationfrom now on will not know what

(38:34):
liberty is.
And so I think I want to put, Iwant to put this out there, as
this is a real thing.
We have to, we have to do this,but, that being said, there's a
window of time that we have topreserve our liberty and to
preserve the liberty of ourchildren moving forward, and I
think I hope that we can wakeenough people up in time for us

(38:56):
to stand up and wake up to thisand to, first of all, the first
step is to get ourselves private, but then we have to spread the
word and also stand up forliberty itself.
And as, as a group ofindividuals, we stand up and and
I don't want to say fight,because that is always
misconstrued as oh you're,you're advocating violence or

(39:19):
anything like that absolutelynot, I'm, just I'm we have to
stand up for liberty, and so weagain, I am optimistic, I know
that we can protect our privacyand I think that we can stand up
for liberty.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah Well, I think your course is a great job of
showing the path out of that,and so that's part of why I
wanted to have you on, becauseyou just I just see the
complexity and you're like, oh,finally, this is approachable.
So thanks for what you've built.
And so let's just talk a littlebit about then some of the
things that are potentially alittle concerning here.
You know, for those of us wholive in the US, that I please,

(39:58):
if you know the tech worldbetter than I do, so if I'm
missing something, I would bedelighted to be wrong about some
of this stuff.
So correct me where you see anoption, and I'm not fragile and
don't have an ego here toprotect.
So one thing I want to saypreemptively is I do think
there's a lot of good thingshappening right now.
There's plenty of corruptioncoming into the light, there's
some common sense returning,there's reason for us to be

(40:21):
optimistic that things can andare changing in a positive
direction.
But I also know the MO, similarto your point about how they
have.
They're trying to figure out away to get us to let this happen
, and so they don't just comeout and say we're trying to get
you all in a social creditsystem where you have no
privileges and we are dictatorsfor eternity, for all of

(40:41):
humanity, we'd be like, oh no,thanks, I don't want that.
So they have to find a way toget us to say you know what?
This is okay, and we just, theyslow, walk us.
And their game right now is howdo you get the sheep into the
slaughterhouse before theyrecognize?
That's where they're going, andso what I hope we can do here
is just lay out some of thereasons or the ways that we
might be on that path, so moreof us can see it, and then it

(41:03):
highlights oh, and there's a wayout of this.
Perfect, I'm going to take myfamily there, I'm going to talk
to my friends about it.
So a couple, I guess, challengemy perspective here, glenn,
because I desperately want to bewrong about this.
But what I think is happeningright now is we are living
through warp speed 2.0.
And in some ways, we are beingsold this dystopian digital

(41:24):
control grid with MAGA packaging, and so that's a bitter pill to
swallow, and I may have justoffended half the people
listening to this, but I want tobe a place of realism, and
that's not something I saywithout data, so I'm sure you
know about these things, but inweek one of Trump's presidency
we announced this Stargateinitiative, where we're going to
spend $500 billion on tech andAI and build new nuclear

(41:48):
facilities and all this powerthat we currently don't have to
power AI.
And then Trump's recent trip tothe Middle East.
He gets Saudi Arabia to pledge$600 billion, mostly for tech
and AI, and somehow I can't lookat that and think you know what
?
That's what we need.
We're tech deficient and wejust need more money to throw at

(42:09):
tech as if it's going to comesave us.
Nevermind, we could spend thaton helping farmers or building
bridges or setting up tradeschools or cleaning up all the
toxicity or bringingmanufacturing back it's.
It seems like everything ispointing to we need more money
for AI, and even the CEO ofGoogle recently went before
Congress saying we need, likeorders of magnitude, more power,
like I think he said somethinglike 30 times the amount of

(42:31):
power we currently have and it'san emergency.
We've got to fund all of thisneeded infrastructure and it
never occurs to them that maybewe don't need that at all, but
it seems like the tech bros areall lining up.
They used to be concerned withwind and solar and that was
everything.
And now it's like nope, it'sall nuclear.

(42:51):
Buffett and Gates and Bezos areall talking about this.
So tell me I'm crazy, glennthat that's not something to be
concerned about.
Or do you see that as aflashing red light of where
they're putting their money,where their real interests lie?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to know exactly what their
intention is with the AI, butthey are absolutely investing a
ton of money in the AI.
I think a lot of it is warfarerelated, but a lot of it, a huge
amount, will be for thiscontrol grid that I'm talking
about.

(43:23):
They want to be able to controlpeople and control us, and this
is like what I was saying withthe tyrants They've always
wanted this kind of control.
They've never had it.
We, the people, are the onesthat are supposed to have the
control.
But if that reverses and thegovernment has the control,

(43:44):
that's a very dangerous formula.
We have to reverse that.
We have to get the governmentback.
You know, controlled.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah Well, and so let me give you a second data point
that is concerned.
This is in real time, so thiswill timestamp this episode
somewhat.
But this big beautiful billthat Congress is fighting over
passing right now, there's asection in it that literally
attempts to create legalimmunity for AI and stop states
from being able to regulate itfor the next 10 years.

(44:14):
So I just wanted to read thatfor the listener, in case you do
not know this.
You might want to go make aruckus with your elected
officials, because here's theactual language.
It says no state, or politicalsubdivision thereof, may enforce
any law or regulation relatingto artificial intelligence
models during the 10 year periodbeginning on the date of the
enactment of this act.

(44:35):
That is section 43201, if youwant to go look it up.
But that's what we'reconsidering in Congress right
now, and it's not just a battlefor privacy, it's a battle for
sovereignty and for freedom, andfor us to say we do not want
this the idea that they couldtake that away, or that they
could pass legislation that saysAI has legal immunity the same

(44:56):
way vaccines do, or what Bayeris trying to do now with get
legal immunity for damages fromglyphosate.
It's shocking, but that seemsto be their playbook of just
make sure we're indemnified.
It's, it's shocking, but that'sthat seems to be their playbook
of just make sure we'reindemnified.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And so give me some perspective or pushback on that
idea that that's potentiallywhat's happening here.
Yeah, so I also.
I actually think that there'sthere's an opportunity not just
to protect our liberty, but toactually take back more liberty
than we had before, and I thinkthat's a very important thing

(45:34):
that we have to contemplate.
I don't want to just keep thelevel.
I want to go beyond where weare and we can do that.
One of the things that hasprevented us from, or that has
been the source of, corruptionis the federal government.
Well, the supreme law of theland is the Constitution, right,

(45:54):
and the Constitution gives thefederal government very limited
powers.
Everything else is granted tothe states and to the people,
and so what you're just talkingabout there is that's an illegal
law.
Show me something in theConstitution that says that the
federal government has theauthority to say that, and what
we need to do is the states needto step up and say no, you

(46:18):
don't have the authority to dothat.
You know, this is the law ofthe land.
The Constitution is the law ofthe land.
You don't have the authority todo that and we need to do that
on everything.
Federal government doesn't havethe authority to create a
Department of Education or theCDC or the FDA or any of that.

(46:38):
None of that is outlined in theConstitution and we wait for,
you know, some political saviorlike Donald Trump to come and
say no, we, as the people, youknow the state, can just say
federal government doesn't havethe authority to have a
Department of Education, you'reout.
You can't come in here, youcan't affect what we're doing,

(47:01):
you don't have the effect.
You don't have the authority todo the CDC.
You're out.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
FDA, you're out, you can't do that.
And if you can show where youhave the authority, show me in
the Constitution where you havethe authority to do that then
okay, well, we can talk, butuntil then you're out because
you don't have the authority todo that.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, well, and it's similar to your sentiment.
This like peacefulnoncompliance, just peaceful
opting out.
We're not necessarily fightingor battling or going to war,
we're just saying no.
And but we don't know Manypeople don't know what you just
said that this actually isillegal, they can't do this.
And it will take individualssaying no in mass and it will
take states saying you, youactually, now that I've read the

(47:44):
Constitution, you can't do this.
And so this disgusting powergrab where you're trying to tell
us none of us can pass a law tocurtail anything related to AI,
you can pound sand federalgovernment because that's not
our Constitution.
But yeah, hopefully that's a, Iguess, as part public service

(48:05):
announcement and part call toaction here to help the listener
see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
No, but.
But I also I think there's apoint here, and the point is
that one of the things that Itry to do is I'm very careful
not to blackmail people wherethey get to the point where it's
like oh, this is so helpful,these guys are so powerful.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
That we can't do this .
It's hopeless for us to do this.
I don't believe that.
I am optimistic.
Otherwise they would justenslave us all right now and not
pretend you know, not gothrough all of these deceptions
that they're going through.
We have the power.
We, the people, have the powerand we just need to wake up.

(48:48):
We need to stand up.
We need to say you know, thisis what's right.
You don't have the authority todo this.
You know the whole World HealthOrganization thing.
There is nothing in ourConstitution that gives
any—first of all our rights comefrom God, not from the state.

(49:08):
The state doesn't have theauthority to infringe upon those
rights.
The state doesn't have theauthority to give others the
right to infringe upon thoserights.
So we just have to keep that inmind and that's the foundation.
That's got to be the foundationof where we come at.
Everything from Our rights comefrom God not from the state.

(49:30):
The state doesn't have theauthority.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, well, part of what I love to do on the show
back to the hopeful part is Icommitted to talking about big
problems when I have plausible,realistic solutions, and so
that's really a lot of whatyou've built.
So let's start talkingsolutions here.
So, as you said, the foundationof the surveillance state is
our data, and if they can'ttrack you, they can't control
you.
So talk about what you havebuilt inside the Privacy Academy

(49:56):
.
What can people expect whenthey log in for the first time?
What is it that you're going towalk them through?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
No, I appreciate that .
So we have different in thePrivacy Academy.
So when you sign up for thePrivacy Academy, the first
course is the fundamentals, andso we really want you to go
through.
These are the most importantthings to do first and so so
just, we haven't broken downinto like okay, here, first
lesson, do this and, like I said, don't focus on anything else,

(50:25):
because this is what most peopledo is they?
They get excited about privacyand then they just dive all in
and they're going to go to theweb, they're going to go to
YouTube, they're going to lookat all of this stuff and then
they're just going to like oh myGod, I can't believe how much
stuff there is to do here.
And so then they just getoverwhelmed and they throw up
their hands and I'm not techenough to do this, but just you.

(50:46):
And they throw up their handsand I'm not techy enough to do
this, but just you know, okay,do this one, and then do this
one.
Then, when you're done withthat, do this one, and so we
take people through that, and sofor every lesson we have a
corresponding live trainingsession too, so we have.
So what we do is we encouragepeople to, okay, now watch the
lesson, try to do it on your own, and then then come to the live

(51:11):
training and, if any questionsthat you have, whatever, ask
those in the live training,because the live training is
just focused on that one lesson.
That's what all the questionsare, and so we just really nail
it out.
And so then we just go throughall the different steps and we
just walk you through it and bythe end of the fundamentals you

(51:36):
look back.
We typically do a like a kindof a fun course where it's like
oh, I kind of give everyone aquiz and we just and I just ask
them a bunch of questions andthey, they answer them all, all
of the questions right, andthey're like, wow, I didn't
really know, I've really put alot of stuff in place now, and
so they they can see what they,what they learned, and then
they're ready to move on to somemore advanced stuff.

(51:58):
So we kind of walk it throughlike that.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, what I've appreciated about it is there's
just these prerecorded coursesthat everyone we'd need to know
this information.
But then you have the livetrainings and I was delighted to
find the guy that the last oneI was on.
He's a lifer in a privacysecurity, cybersecurity realm.
With so much depth of knowledge, I can ask technical questions
and these guys have the patienceof a saint to sit and listen to

(52:23):
the questions that the rest ofus are fumbling through, trying
to even form.
Like I think what I'm seeing isthis and is this the right
solution?
And, yeah, it's so much moredoable when you have somebody to
talk to, which has been one ofmy barriers to exit.
I've been working at my owndigital disentangle, similar to
you said.
You've been at it for since2012 and Snowden did his thing.
So I've been working that lastcouple of years and I'm I'm

(52:44):
finally disentangled in a fewways.
I finally switched out my phoneand my laptop is next and so
it's.
But it is a process and it's somuch more like I wish I had
found you two years ago, cause Icould have walked through this
much more methodically.
But a couple of questions Ihave.
Do you have?
Is this an option forbusinesses as well, or are you
typically just working withindividuals?
Can you help a businessdisentangle?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, so we do.
We're primarily on theindividuals right now.
Uh, we are planning on doing,uh, you know, going into the
small business area, but we, wewant to, you know, focus on the
individual first.
I think that, yeah, so we've.
We've got fundamentals training, we've got advanced training,
we've got some different coursesfundamentals training, we've
got advanced training, we've gotsome different courses in there

(53:30):
.
We've got one that talks aboutmoney how to interview your bank
, for example, all of that stuffto learn about the security
measures that they have.
And then one thing that Iforgot to mention is we have a
community.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yes, we have a community.
I mean it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I mean I love we have a community, yes, we have a
community of awesome.
I mean it's awesome.
I mean I love the energy of itand we're actually we've been
working for about nine months oncreating our own community from
scratch.
I mean the software and we'regetting close to launching that.
It's taking a lot longer thanwe thought but we're getting
close to launching it.

(54:06):
I'm really excited about that.
It's going to be so much.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
It's almost like a check, a chat form where you can
get on anytime and askquestions and just don't have to
wait for the next weekly callto find out.
Great.
So the other thing I want toask you try to make this as
practical or that the averageperson like me could picture
going through it.
So what would you say is just areasonable overall cost or
expense to kind of make adefinitive exit from the

(54:31):
surveillance state.
So like, obviously there's thephone and the laptop or the
computers that we're using, butwhat kind of peripheral widgets
or services like add up thataverage cost for the average
person of what it would looklike for them to disentangle
their tech?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, it's a good question.
I mean a lot of times.
I think it is important torealize that, like you're using
Gmail now or using Outlook,whatever, those services are
free because they're stealingyour data and they're getting
your, you're paying for it inother ways.
I guess, so I think it'simportant to get to the mindset

(55:09):
of okay, I got to pay for myemail, now I got to pay for
different services and so.
But, that being said, Iwouldn't say there's much there.
I mean you could go withProtonMail and then you get
ProtonVPN and all of that stuff.
So maybe eight bucks a month,something like that.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So for.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
VPN email.
You've got a private and securealternative to Dropbox.
So it's not much money when youstart getting into.
Like you know, eventually youwant to get away from big tech
computers.
You know, like you want to getaway from Microsoft, you want to
get away from big techcomputers.

(55:49):
You want to get away fromMicrosoft.
You want to get away from Apple.
We never really talked aboutthis, but now what they're doing
is they're putting AI on yourcomputer.
If you have a Windows computer,let's say and Apple does this
too, but Windows has a new AIthat lives on your operating

(56:11):
system that takes a screenshotof your screen every second, and
then there's AI that lives onthat operating system, that
analyzes that screenshot andunderstands it I mean, really
understands everything that it'slooking at and it's looking at
and it's learning you.
This AI is learning you andit's creepy, it's super creepy

(56:36):
and it's beyond creepy.
This is a tool that will beused to control you, and so when
I say this again, I don't wantto freak people out about this.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
We have to know that.
What's that?
We have to know that If we donot like that right, there may
be the reason you finally saveup the money to get a new
computer rather than just try toplay in that ecosystem and hope
that it works out for you.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, I mean we talk people through how to go to
Linux and there's some reallyfantastic versions of Linux now.
Linux is open source.
It doesn't have any funny stuffgoing on behind the scenes and
I'm on Linux right now.
It's fantastic.
You know, I always used Mac inthe past.
I love it just as much as a Macand the user interface is great

(57:29):
and all of that stuff.
So, anyway, we take you throughthat.
But we don't want you to justdive in and, like I said, we
don't want you to try to do thisall in one month, because
you're going to just getoverwhelmed.
But if you have a plan by theend of this year to get off of,
let's say, windows and Mac andyour phone and onto some more

(57:49):
privacy-oriented versions, Ithink that's what you should do.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, and so my estimate for myself is kind of
in the $1,500, $2,000 range fordisentangling everything
switching out from surveillanceapps and such.
Is that a reasonable budget toconsider for making that switch?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah, I mean, I think that is reasonable.
I think there is.
I think you've got to look atit in a way of there's different
tools that you have to do, butthen there's also different
habits that you have to have andthere's different things.
You have to keep learning aboutthis and right and and really
it is a, it is something that issomething you have to keep on

(58:33):
top of yeah, yeah, it's a fluidenvironment.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
It's probably nothing changing faster than the tech
world and so, yeah, yeah, it'sdefinitely things to stay up on.
Okay, I know you, we have alimited time, so give as I'll.
I'll add some more colorcommentary in my introduction to
the show, but while we wrap up,give the listener a place of
where do they find you, how dothey follow your work, anything
else you want them to know toconnect with you.
And then we're also going to doa webinar where we have more

(58:58):
time and you can answer Q&A andsuch.
But go ahead and give them howto contact you.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, so the webinar.
Let's talk about the webinarfirst.
So I think we're doing that onJune 10th, I believe.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yep.
So if you guys, if you all missthat, we'll have a recording,
you can catch it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, and that'll be.
That'll be a time when I can goin to more detail and also ask
and answer people's questionslive, so that'll be fun.
It's always fun to do thoselive, so that'll be fun.
It's always fun to do those.
And then privacyacademycom andI'm on Twitter.

(59:36):
I don't do much on Twitter, butI repost some different things
that would probably get methrown in jail in England.
So, anyway, yeah, I mean I loveto talk on podcasts.
If anyone has a podcast theywant me to talk on.
And yeah, I just want to getthe word out about this.
I mean, we're a small business,we're a family business.

(59:57):
Me and my son do this with ateam of other people, and I just
feel that we have a mission andwe have a very powerful mission
.
It's a very important mission.
I don't think I don't reallyknow of anyone else that's
really doing it like what we'redoing, and we just need to move

(01:00:18):
this from a fringe to amainstream topic, and that's
kind of what we're talking about.
That's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, that's why I brought you on the show.
I, I'm all about health and I'mall about freedom or the
Constitution.
I go, we have a great one, wejust need to follow it.
And this is a.
I don't want to look back andthink, gosh, I wish I had said
something or did something.
I'm thinking I've got six kids.
I'm trying to think about theworld they're going to inherit
and if I don't do my fatherlyduty here to teach them this and

(01:00:48):
never let them get entangled inthis in the first place, then
I've abdicated an importantresponsibility.
So I'm thrilled that you tookthe time to come on.
I know I'd love to ask you more, but you got to run.
So thank you so much, Glenn,for taking the time to join me
today.
It has been a pleasure.
Yeah thank you very much.

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