Experience the remarkable journey of Herb Richards, a 96-year-old health advocate who defies conventional wisdom with his profound insights into holistic healing. Herb's path began with tragedy when his first wife succumbed to cancer treatments that ultimately failed her. Determined to uncover the true roots of health and disease, Herb embarked on a lifelong quest for knowledge that has spanned decades. His discoveries, including successful treatments for Lyme disease and the critical awareness of parasite cleansing, offer a wealth of knowledge that challenges the status quo in health today.
In this episode, you’ll discover the healing measures Herb passionately advocates, including chlorine dioxide, DMSO and nano-silver – all of which he believes hold the key to so many ailments that plague modern society. His engaging narrative reveals the secrets of longevity and well-being but stresses the importance of taking health into your own hands.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 46.
My guest today is Mr HerbRichards, who you'll as you'll
soon find out, is a veryremarkable person.
Herb is 96 years old and he isstill sharp as a tack.
He's been a student of holistichealth longer than I've been
alive and I'm currently 49.
So speaking with him makes mequite excited that I have a long
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, healthy life ahead of me if Icontinue to practice what I know
and learn from people like Herb.
So what I'm excited to do inthis interview is just to
unearth some of the well-earnedintuition that Herb has and, as
you'll hear me say during theinterview, he's the first person
I've ever met who is intimatelyfamiliar with parasite
cleansing, chlorine dioxide,structured nanosilver and DMSO
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dioxide, structured nanosilverand DMSO and I've had interviews
on all four of those topics,but no one who understands and
uses all of them and can talkabout which ones to use and why.
So you are in for a treat ofsome practical wisdom today and,
by the way, if you would like adeeper dive into the topic of
parasites, check out myinterview with Kim Rogers.
If you'd like to know moreabout chlorine dioxide, you can
check out my interview with DrAndreas Kalker and my previous
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interview with Dr Robert Yoho,where we also discussed DMSO.
If you're interested to learnmore about nanosilver, you can
check out my interview with DrBen Follis, and if you want a
team to help you know how to putall these different pieces
together, check out our eightweek detox program at
healingunitedtoday.
Another fascinating thing aboutHerb is that both he and his
wife overcame debilitating Lymedisease about 20 years ago, so
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we talked about their healingjourneys and then the book Herb
ended up writing about thatexperience.
Another big theme of ourconversation was DMSO, and Herb
is the author of the number oneselling book in the world about
DMSO.
There are so many differentways you can use it to help
facilitate healing and heprobably lists over 100 in his
book.
But we narrowed our focus a bitto talk about cancer and
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chronic pain and infections andwait until you hear what he has
to say about antibiotics.
So if any of those topics arerelevant to you, I think you'll
really appreciate this interview.
Important disclaimer as with allepisodes of this show, nothing
in this episode is meant to bepersonal health advice, and so
we always suggest you interactwith a trusted healthcare
professional about what is bestfor you.
One final thought before I playthe interview, and really where
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I want to stretch your thinkingtoday is that, while neither
Herb or I are doctors and you'llhear us have a laugh about that
what I think Herb in many waysrepresents is what and really
what we are about at HealingUnited is an example of what
healthcare could have been allalong, about what doctoring
could have been.
It's interesting to reflectback on many of my interactions
with doctors the last few years,and I sometimes encounter a
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palpable reluctance amongmedical doctors in particular,
but just among doctors, to dowhat doctors are supposed to do,
and that is practice medicine,in other words, experiment, and
many of them are just leery toexperiment outside the
prescription pattern.
And to me, to practice is tospend time, as Herb has done,
trying things out and figuringout what works and what doesn't
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and developing your intuition,and while what you're about to
hear is a man who has spent overfive decades trying things and
creating his short list of whathe believes to be the essentials
that help the body heal.
So one quick side note a coupleof times during the interview
we had a little lag in ourconnection, so if you hear a
brief pause.
Just keep listening.
Okay, I'll leave you with thisthought If pharmaceuticals
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worked, you wouldn't need torefill your prescription.
So let that sink in.
And welcome to a conversationwith a wise old sage who enjoys
robust health and is about togive you some practical wisdom
for simple ways you can buildyour health.
Okay, without further ado,enjoy my conversation with the
ageless and inspiring HerbRichards.
Hello everyone, welcome totoday's show.
(03:43):
My guest is the one and onlyHerb, also known as Roy by his
friends, herb Richards.
Hello everyone, welcome totoday's show.
My guest is the one and onlyHerb, also known as Roy by his
friends, herb Roy Richards.
I found out earlier what Royactually stands for.
It stands for return oninvestment.
He's that good at helpingpeople get a return on their
effort in life.
So Roy is a internationallypublished writer and health
enthusiast.
He's written several bookswhich he's just showed me.
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Many of them related to hisquest for health and an
understanding of the root causesof disease.
I love that.
That quest that he's on startedin his 40s, sadly after his
wife was killed by cancertherapy at the age of 38.
Herb then enrolled in theCollege of Human Life Sciences
in Austin, texas, where hereceived his degree in natural
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nutrition.
So, herb, welcome to the showtoday.
It's wonderful to have you.
Thanks for taking the time tojoin me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Nice to talk to you, christian, just any question you
have, let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
All right.
Well, so I was first introducedto your work by my friend, dr
Robert Yoho, and I was impressedbecause you were the first
person I had heard of who wasfamiliar with four significant
topics I'd been looking intodeeply and that was parasite
cleansing, chlorine dioxide,nanosilver and DMSO.
And you're not justsuperficially familiar with them
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, you've written books aboutthem and just have a ton of
practical intuition that I'mjust really excited to unpack
for the listener today.
So your quest for the rootcauses of disease has started in
your 40s, but tell people howold you are to give them context
for how long you've beenlearning and writing and helping
people.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, I just turned 96 a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fantastic.
So, side note for anyone whothinks they're too old to chase
their dreams, let Herb be anexample to you.
So you've been looking into theroot cause of disease for
probably more decades than mostpeople have been alive, so
fantastic.
Let's just back up and startwith the story that you have on
the back cover of your DMSO book, and it's the story of your
wife and her being killed bycancer therapy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So tell us a little bit about that story and just
some of the main lessons thatcame from that experience.
Well, we didn't know anythingabout health except to eat a
balanced diet.
That's what we were always told, and we didn't really know
anything about it.
And so when she was diagnosedwith cancer, we took their
advice and did what they said.
And of course, what they did isthey poisoned her to death with
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chemotherapy and radiation.
Both of them are poisoned andyou cannot poison someone back
to health.
It's just absolutely ridiculousto think that you can.
But we didn't know any better,and when they killed her off
within a year, I decided that Iwas going to find out something
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about health and find out whatwas really going on, because I
realized that the doctors didn'thave a clue.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, no, that's rude awakening.
A lot of people are coming toand, depending on where your
health journey takes you at somepoint facing that and trying to
tease out what is really thepath to healing.
And it's tragic that you had togo through that and I'm going
to unpack a little bit of whatyou've learned since then and
then we can maybe revisit thattoward the end.
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But so, fast forward from thattragedy, you get remarried and
then years later, if I'm notmistaken, both you and your wife
developed Lyme disease.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I got Lyme disease from a mosquito bite and
this was after we'd beentogether for a number of years,
so it didn't come right away oranything.
In fact it was about 20 yearsago that we got Lyme disease and
I got it from a mosquito andshe got it from me because Lyme
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disease is very contagious andthe books don't tell you that
except for mine.
So it's just one of thosethings.
And the reason it's contagiousis because Lyme disease is
caused by a spirochete.
A spirochete is the same kindof a little critter that causes
syphilis and relapsing fever andthose are both very contagious.
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And just because the littlecritter is able to piggyback on
mosquitoes and fleas and ticksand so forth doesn't mean that
it's forgot how to go person toperson, just like it always did.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So yeah, Okay, I spent some time looking it up
after we talked, just realizingit's a bacteria, and I had never
heard, until I met you, thatyou could get it from a mosquito
, not just a deer tick.
So that was insightful, and butlet's tell a little more of the
story of like what you wereexperiencing.
I think it was a like afive-year gap between the
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mosquito bite and then thesymptoms showing up, as do I
remember that correctly.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, it laid dormant in my body for about five years
and then it showed up when Iwas under some tension from
something I was doing, I don'tknow maybe a little financial
thing that was going on, orwhatever.
But when I got my body undersome tension, that's when it
showed up.
Tension that's when it showedup.
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And the way it showed up for mewas it made my muscles really,
really weak.
In fact, it made me so weakthat I couldn't get up off the
floor unless I pulled myself up.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Wow, and how did you make?
The connection then all thoseyears later back to the mosquito
bite that that was where itstarted, and then all those
years later back to the mosquitobite that that was where it
started.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Well, I eventually ran on to a natural doctor that
told me that I you know, he saysthe way your body is responding
I think you probably have Lymedisease.
And so we did the test and wedid.
And so then I thought back allthose years ago how I'd got that
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strange bite mosquito bite andit didn't heal up.
It took about six months for itto go away, and I think so
that's the only thing that Icame across and I hadn't had sex
with anybody but my wife.
So you know, so we couldn'thave got it that way, and of
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course you can.
That's why a lot of people uh,thousands and thousands of
people have Lyme disease anddon't know what's wrong because
they got it from personalcontact rather than a bite yeah,
well, and you made the commentearlier before we started
recording that it's probably themost misdiagnosed disease of
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today, so tell me a little bitmore about that.
Well, the reason is is becausethe spirochete no matter what
brand of spirochete it is goesto the weakest part of the body
to set up its little colonies,and so therefore, everybody has
a different weak spot, soeverybody's going to show
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different symptoms.
So you can have the symptoms offibromyalgia, which I had, and
rheumatoid arthritis, which Isupposedly had also, and they
would show up as that ratherthan Lyme disease, and so that's
what keeps it from beingdiagnosed correctly, because it
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can show up as so many differentkinds of disease, like
irritable bowel syndrome, awhole bunch of diseases.
You can just name a disease andprobably it's in that list.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And what did your wife have?
The?
Same symptoms as you ordifferent.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
No, she had a real serious digestive problems.
Wow, and so no doctor I don'tcare whether it was a natural
doctor or MD would have everdiagnosed as each of us having
the same disease.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Because the symptoms are so different, they were so
different.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What did you try?
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You said they go.
What Well I?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
tried various essential oils.
Yeah, I tried various essentialoils and things first.
And uh tried a bunch of thingsat that natural doctor and I
don't even remember his name, hejust happened to be a natural
doctor their friend of mine toldme about and that's, and after
I went to see him he figured outthat that's probably what I had
(12:19):
.
And then we got tested and itwas but uh, uh.
So I didn't have any idea whatwas going on, except I wanted to
do something about it, andthat's how it all came about.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay.
Well, I think you didn't havemuch success if I remember
correctly beating back Lymedisease until you found what at
the time was called MMS.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
MMS, which is, of course, chlorine dioxide.
Mms is a nickname that JimHummel put on it to kind of
disguise it, so that theauthorities wouldn't realize he
was using something so simple toget rid of all of these
diseases.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, so that was a key part of your healing, if I
remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It was a thing that worked.
That's what actually worked,okay.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So tell people about your experience using it then
and how you started to know itwas working.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, I used it.
I did what they recommended,which was take some every hour
for eight hours a day, and I didthat for about three weeks and
I tried all kinds of differentamounts because I didn't know
what to do and I just knew thatsomething was going to help.
Something either was going tohelp or wasn't, and so I
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eventually settled on threedrops an hour.
And I went three drops an hourfor about three weeks and my
hands, which had been swollenshut for they were swollen so
they wouldn't close for severalyears, but I think about two
years and my hands would startto work again, and so I knew I
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was on the right track and so Ijust kept doing it and in fact I
treated myself for about a yearbecause I wanted to make sure I
got rid of those little suckers.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, Well, in the title of your book, Arlie.
I think you have a couple bookson Lyme, but the title of one
of your books about Lyme diseasewas just called that Lyme
Disease Non-Medical Diagnosisand Treatment.
Love that part.
And then it's how I KickedChronic Lyme Disease in One Year
for Pennies.
So there's so many things tolove about this title.
Well done.
But I guess some of the secretto your success is in the title.
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So tell me about this one-yeartimeline aspect of your journey,
because one of my commonexperiences as a coach is
helping people calibrate to thelong game of healing.
So what helped you stick it outfor an entire year?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well, I just had a lot of determination, I guess
you'd call it, and I didn't haveanybody to guide me, and so I
just went long enough to makesure I did the job, and it
turned out that I did it for ayear and actually it costs about
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$30 for about six months ofthis kind of treatment.
So it actually cost me $ bucksjust about what it costs for a
decent meal, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right, so it's still not very many pennies, yeah,
fantastic.
No, it's not A year's worth ofwork, but for some reason you
had the compound effect and theyhave to, or the nudge.
I guess I wanted people to hearthat, because so often we live
in a culture where we aremarketed the quick fixes and the
rapid transformation stories.
(15:50):
And, yes, you started noticingsome progress in two or three
weeks with using it, but you hadthe wisdom to say I'm not done
and there's more to do, and justnot give up on it at a plateau
and stick with it for an entireyear.
So anybody listening if youhave had a health journey and
you're maybe bummed at a plateauor you're wondering how long I
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have to do this, just keep going.
I guess is as much what I'mhearing in your story there.
Is there anything you want toadd to that?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
yeah, don't try people.
I say I tried this or I triedthat and so forth.
You cannot try.
You either got to do it ordon't do it, and that's that's
something that's very, veryimportant, and especially true
with chlorine dioxide.
Don't try it.
If you want to do it, do it,but don't try it.
Just messing around with itisn't, isn't going to do
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anything for you at all exceptwaste your time.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I love it.
Unfiltered wisdom right there,friends.
Okay, so next topic, butsomewhat related.
In your interview with Dr Yoho,I watched you guys talk and you
two somehow got onto the topicof parasites and you just
casually mentioned that everyonehas parasites and if you think
you don't have them, then you'rejust missing something.
So tell me a little bit aboutthat perspective.
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And was parasite cleansing atall a part of your recovery from
Lyme, or did that awareness ofthe problem come later?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, it actually came later, but you might say
that it was along with it, but Iwasn't doing parasite cleansing
when I was getting rid of theLyme disease.
Okay, but I knew aboutparasites because my wife Taylor
spent several years in Panama.
And you can just go to thegrocery store and it's right
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there on the counter and get allof it.
You want to get rid ofparasites and it's right there
on the counter and get all of it.
You want to get rid ofparasites and everybody knows
that you clean from parasites ayear, at least once a year and
usually a couple times a year ifyou want to stay clear of them,
because they are designed tolive in our body.
If you think you don't havethem, you're kidding yourself.
You do have worms and you dohave parasites.
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It's just the way it is.
We're built that way.
In fact, if you, if you look atthe oldest fossils they've ever
found and I forget how manymillions of years old they are
they are fossils of parasites,internal parasites, and so.
So what was it that?
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convinced you that everyone hasthem, then well actually, uh, I
hung around a lot with wayneroland and wayne roland has
spent a lot of time withparasites.
He found out that, uh, he had,he had cancer from lead
poisoning.
He got cancer from leadpoisoning and so he hunted
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around through the for rifeequipment, found rife equipment
and the guy that told him whatfrequency to use told him the
frequency to use and he used itand got rid of his cancer.
And a little later on he foundan actual expert on Rife
equipment and the expert sayswell, you didn't have the cancer
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frequency at all, you had thefrequency for parasites, for
worms and parasites.
Wow, really yeah.
And so when he found out thenhe realized that the lead
poisoning made his body reallyreceptive to parasites and the
parasites are what were doinghim in causing the cancer,
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because those parasites aren'thousebroken, they crap in your
body and their urine and theirfeces is what makes you sick,
that's what causes a lot of thetrouble in your body.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But the metal was the lead domino that made it
hospitable for them, did I?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
understand that correctly.
It was for him, but that isn'ttrue for everybody.
But we all do have heavy metals.
We get it because of the wayour food is processed and the
way our water is processed.
So we've got heavy metals.
We've got all of the rightenvironment to grow parasites to
beat heck Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, for people who don't know what is a Rife
machine.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
A Rife machine was a frequency machine.
It was developed in the 1930sthat you could pick the
frequency of the particularorganism and it would shatter
the organism, just like you canshatter a glass with the right
musical note, where you canshatter organisms the same way.
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And he figured that out andmade a machine that would do it.
And of course he was foughttooth to nail.
Because you're not allowed toget rid of disease.
There's no money in it.
When you do it that way,disease has to be something that
is expensive.
That's the same thing that'swrong with chlorine dioxide.
It's inexpensive, right?
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So therefore it's forbidden.
Yeah, now it's funny.
So therefore it's forbidden.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, now it's funny.
I just watched a documentarylast week about homeopathy and
they talked about the cancelingprinciple of similars, which is
what you're talking about.
You find that frequency thatthat thing doesn't like and it's
the end of that.
And to think of the number ofsuppressed breakthroughs that we
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have not been able to find,because chemically intervening
in the human body is what makesall the money.
It's a shame, but it's so funto hear you talk about these
things just with yeah, of course, that's just how things work
and you've just lived it for solong.
So anything else you want tosay about parasites or about how
often you guys do it or howoften you, how people, might go
about that?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, most everybody should do it a couple times a
year at least to start with, andyou want to make sure that you
get rid of them.
Well, so you want to do it,don't just try it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Just do it.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And you can get this one right here.
This book is Wayne Rowland'sbook.
I wrote it with him, helped himwith his book, and it's about
using silver.
Oh, that's where.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was going to go next.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And parasite cleansing and silver.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, well, okay.
So the next of the big fourthat I was just thrilled to see
you were familiar with is silver.
So, briefly, just tell people alittle bit about the healing
power of silver, what it does inthe body, what you use it for,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, silver is actually an antibiotic.
It's a natural antibiotic andit doesn't matter what
particular organism it is, ittakes care of it.
Now, all of the artificialantibiotics that they've made
and the patent, all of thosethings only do a certain small
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spectrum of bacteria or virus orwhatever they're trying to do.
Well, actually, it can't kill avirus with an artificial.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But colloidal silver seems to take care of them.
So colloidal silver, if it'sdone right Now, there's all
kinds of ways of making silver.
You can make silver salts ofvarious kinds, you can make
colloidal silver of variouskinds.
But what Wayne did was hefigured out how to use Tesla
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technology and use lightning toactually make colloidal silver,
and so it's a different kind ofcolloidal silver.
The particles are the smallestknown in colloidal silver, down
to the Angstrom size or smaller.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is that smaller than nano size?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, they are.
Wow, they actually areFantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So a crazy amount of electricity can do that, and
that's the thing that, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Well, what it does is lightning actually flashes onto
a plate that that has thiswater running over it, and so
the lightning constantly flashes.
It looks like uh frankenstein's, uh laboratory when you see
that thing working yeah, okay,like a spark plug traveling
across some arc.
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Basically yeah, yeah, just justuh.
Lightning flashes, they'reregular lightning flashes.
They look just exactly like theones out in the sky look.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But that's robbing the, the microbe of its
electrical charge and basicallychoking it out.
Is it my, my oversimplifyingthat?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
well, that's part of it.
Part of it is that it changesit.
It makes it so that the microbecan't get its oxygen.
Ah, okay.
And that's why the microbescan't develop a can't become
immune.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right, there's no antibiotic resistance to that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Right when the artificial antibiotics.
They can become immune to itand become super strains that
can't be gotten rid of hardly.
But this stuff, yeah, thisstuff seems to take care of
anything I've ever run onto.
Now, one of the ways I use itis we have cats.
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I like cats, they're neatlittle people and so, yeah, and
so what I do, and they scratchyou occasionally, whether
they're trying to or not,because they just plain have
really good claws and so and weknow what they do with their
claws, so we know that thosehave microbes and so forth when
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they scratch you.
So what I do is I take halfdmso and half of the of wayne's
silver water and mix themtogether and I just spray it on.
If they scratch, I just sprayit on and that's the end of it.
Never any infection, never anyproblem, because the dmO carries
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that silver right in as far asthe scratch went, so it kills
all those bugs.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Fantastic.
Well, you're segueingbeautifully for me, because the
other one I wanted to ask youabout was DMSO.
And so you have.
I didn't know this until wetalked today, but you wrote the
book DMSO dimethyl sulfoxide forhumans subtitled Recipes and
Treatments, and I was going tosay it's got to be the most
user-friendly book available,and you said it is the number
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one selling book on DMSOworldwide.
So congratulations, but welldone at the same time, because
it's so needed, because to makethis substance practical is such
a gift to humanity is such agift to humanity.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, and before that , I was really absolutely
disappointed by all the DMSObooks out there, because, even
though they told you that DMSOwas good for this or good for
that, there was no idea what todo or how to go about it or
anything.
And so I decided to puttogether a book that was.
Actually.
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I'd had so many people tell mewhat they did with the MSO, how
they got rid of this, how theyget rid of that.
So I had this.
I'd been keeping this list ofthings and I decided, well, why
don't we just put this in bookform and put these people's uh
recommendation, their ownpersonal experiences, in the
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book?
And that's what we did.
And so it has all kinds of ofrecipes that various people have
used to get rid of, uh, allkinds of problems.
Yeah, what I would?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know what the mso it's probably close to a
hundred different things thatare in there that people have
written you about.
Is that a reasonably good guess?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh yeah, there's at least that many.
I don't know how many.
It's all through the alphabet.
I forget how many.
The whole center section of thebook is that.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, okay.
Well, give people a littlebackground on DMSO.
Where does it come from?
How was it discovered?
Give us a little more insightinto the substance itself paper
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company when they're makingpaper pulp.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Gmso was one of the byproducts that came out of it
and they had no idea what to dowith it.
But they did know that peoplewho worked in the timber and
worked out in uh, they call itout in the, what do they call?
Call it on a moat, I don'tremember what they call it, but
they work out there moving thoselogs around in the water and
they're in the water almost allday long and those people never
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get a cold.
And so somebody got the ideathat there must be something in
those trees that's keeping theseguys from getting sick, because
they're doing everything thatshould make them sick, they're
out there in the water and theweather, and so on and so forth
guys from getting sick becausethey're doing everything that
should make them sick, they'reout there in the water and the
weather, and so on, so forth.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Huh and so um they just accidentally found some
sort of medicinal property inthese trees, I guess that's
right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Wow, it's a natural product.
That's the thing, and that'sanother reason why it's not
liked by the mainstream isbecause it's a natural product
and can't be patented, right.
But the Crown Zellerbach PaperCompany has the patent on the
way they extract it.
The Crown Zellerbach inLouisiana has the patent on it?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is it only fir trees, or is it any type of tree?
Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So is it only for trees, or is it any type of tree
?
Do you know anything about that?
Well, all kinds of trees haveit and a lot of plants have it
in our garden and so on and soforth, but it's in very small
amounts in a lot of things.
Trees have the most of it.
They use it to transport thingsthrough those really heavy
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fibrous wood that they havefibrous tree pulp, and so it
takes it through our skin reallyreally easy, and that's what it
does and the reason it does it.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's looking for water.
Yeah, I've heard it describedas kind of nature's antifreeze.
It keeps the tree from freezingin the winter, so it's
constantly pulling moisture andit kind of creates this tailwind
of whatever's in its wake willjust be pulled into the body or
into the tree as well.
That's one of the ways itnourishes and stays hydrated.
Is that right?
Yeah, that's right, Nice, Okay.
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Well, when did you first learnabout DMSO and what did you
initially use it for?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I first learned about it we were doing shows
down in Portland area and runonto a fellow there who had used
DMSO for several years and heused MSM, which is derived from
it.
Msm is organic sulfur, okay,and he used that stuff to get
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rid of uh scarring on his body.
And that's the first I heard ofit.
And then I learned more aboutit and uh found out that, uh, we
could get it pretty easily andwe could get the organic sulfur
if we wanted it to.
And so we do have organicsulfur and we have DMSO.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And so what did you start using it for?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I just started using it, the organic sulfur or the
DMSO.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
The DMSO specifically .
I was curious what was yourfirst entry point into using it
on yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh, I guess it was when I smashed a finger, okay,
and I soaked it in DMSO and thepain was gone and it was okay
the next day.
And normally when I'd smashed afinger before and I've been a
mechanic for quite a few yearsand so smashing a finger was not
an unusual circumstance, buthaving it go away in a day was
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unusual, and that told me thatthe MSO was really useful.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So you didn't just put a few drops on and rub it in
, you soaked your finger in it.
Yeah, really.
Why that hadn't occurred to meyet, I don't know.
But great idea.
So the more I learn about thissubstance and the other ones
we've mentioned, like this isthey're inexpensive, they're so
powerful and we just got to workup the courage to use them.
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But give us maybe a personalstory or two.
We've got the smashed thumb orfinger there.
But what are some of the mostmemorable stories of healing
that all these people havereached out to you and shared,
or anything else you want totell people about?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
just the, the healing potential that dmso can offer
well, um, I use it as a carriermore than anything else.
In other words, if I have anyproblem in my body, I mix
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whatever I want to treat thatproblem with with DMSO usually
about half and half Okay andDMSO will go clear to the center
of the bone in moments andit'll carry along with it
whatever's mixed with it.
Now that means you can hurtyourself with it too.
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Mix it with gasoline and you'dhave to run on gas, and we're
not designed for that, right.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Okay, so your most common use is just personally as
a carrier.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Common use is just personally as a carrier Are
there any particular thingswhere you say DMSO by itself is
where you default to that andmaybe not need to mix it with
other things?
Yeah, I had a toothache a whileback.
I simply took a teaspoon fullof DMSO and put it in my mouth
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and rolled it around that tootharea and held it for about 15,
20 minutes and then went aheadand swallowed it, and I did that
two times, maybe three times,and the toothache was gone.
Wow, no-transcript no, I don'tknow of any reason not to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm just thinking I can't drive into the body
further, that's in the tooth.
That was all I was thinking, sowell, well, you've already got
the murder.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You've already got the mercury in your body.
You need to get that stuff out.
That stuff's poison.
There's no way around it.
It's no matter what anybodytells you.
It is poison and it isconstantly leaking into your
body.
If you have a tooth that's madeout of silver and mercury, it's
going to be leaching into yourbody.
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It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, no it's the painful recognition.
Yeah, yeah, all right.
No-transcript in car accidentsto elderly people.
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Just able to play the pianoagain.
Dmso just seemed to win the dayin terms of pain relief.
Is that something that you'vefound in the people that have
reached out to you that that'sbeen a common theme they have
talked about?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
A lot of people have.
It just depends, you know,whatever people want to use it
for.
The thing about it is it'sabout as universal as anything
you can possibly get.
It has healing properties andit has carrier properties and
the combination is really hardto beat.
Yeah, you can't find anythingin pharmaceutical that'll even
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come close to it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, okay, is there anything that you know of where
you could combine it with DMSOand it would kind of just render
it inert, like it doesn'tnecessarily.
It maybe loses some of itspotency Not that I know of, okay
Gotcha.
So, and how long is there adrop-off?
Like, if I made a mixture ofsilver and DMSO and had it
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sitting in a spray bottle, wouldI need to kind of refresh it at
some point, or is itindefinitely good?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, I've used it for usually a four-ounce bottle
or an eight-ounce bottle.
Eight-ounce bottle usuallylasts me about a year, year and
a half, and then I mix upanother bottle, but I usually
have three or four of themsitting around.
I have some in my shop, I havesome in my house and so on and
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so forth, so that wherever I'mat, if I need this, stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I've got it Fantastic , but so no need to necessarily
make a fresh batch.
It's not going to go bad, it'sjust.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, it's not going to go bad.
You know, if you really want to, if you want to get serious
about it, use a glass bottle.
If you use a glass bottle, Idon't imagine that there's any
length of time it would matterGot it.
I've been using PET typeplastic bottles.
(37:39):
Okay, pet is is not, uh,affected much by the MSO, and I
say not much because I can't saythat it isn't affected some.
It's just that I have not hadany problem with it.
Okay, but if you're really,really serious, use glass
bottles.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, Would that include the shaft of like I'm
thinking of a spray bottle.
Typically that's going to beplastic, Would you just say— I
know it, Are we too in the weedsand not really need to worry
about that because it's just sominuscule?
Some people are know aboutplastic.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I don't worry about it.
And another thing to rememberwhen DMSO comes in bulk it comes
in a 55 gallon plastic drum.
So everybody that then ordersit and somebody says well, I
ship all my DMSO in glass.
Well, they ship it in glass.
So what?
It just came out of a bigplastic drum.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's a good supply chain wrinkle that you just
unveiled there.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Thank you for that.
Yeah, if you want to put it inglass after you get it, why not?
That's a good way to store it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It probably lasts forever in a glass bottle of
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silver and dmso and chlorinedioxide um, can you imagine and
ever needing an antibiotic again.
Is there any infection youdon't think you could put in
check with some combination ofthose three tools?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
no, there is none.
Well, even as far as I'mconcerned bone infections
nothing oh, mercer, mercer, mrsa.
One of the fellows who's injail now for talking about DMSO
used chlorine dioxide, mms,whatever you want to call it
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today to get rid of MRSA, andthat's how he came across it in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Wow, and that's how he, that's how he came across it
in the first place.
Wow, yeah, as I've learnedabout this, I keep thinking is
there something in the infectionrealm that I should?
Oh man, but I don't.
I don't have it, I can't takecare of that.
And the more I've looked intoall three of these tools, the
more confidence I get that Icould just put infections in
check because the body justneeded a purification agent and
it does the healing so that,yeah, thank you for confirming.
I wasn't crazy that that reallyis, that they are this good so
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I can't, I can't say thatthat'll work for everyone.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
All I know is it works for me, yeah well, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
None of this here is medical or health advice people.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's just us talking about absolutely not yeah
because anybody that just takesall this stuff without paying
attention and and tries to dowhat somebody else is doing are
is a fool.
Yeah, you need to understandwhat you're doing and spend some
time figuring it out and if youwant to decide to take it, take
it on yourself to do thosethings.
(40:52):
That's your business, none ofmine right, yep, precisely, yeah
.
What works for someone else maynot work for you and just do it
at your own risk yeah, yeah, mydoctorate is in natural
nutrition.
I don't.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I have no degree in medicine.
Don't want one.
Wouldn't take one as a gift Ifeel exactly the same way.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't want one, wouldn't take one as a gift.
I feel exactly the same way.
I don't have any aspirations toget MD or that after my name
whatsoever.
I like being in the healtharena and just doing my best to
figure out how the body works,what burdens it and how do I
take away a burden and how do Iempower it.
And it's such fun work becauseI get to talk to people like you
.
And just today, on our call, wehad a for our group coaching
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call.
We had somebody lose acancerous tumor on her face.
We had somebody else lose alongstanding, disgusting looking
toe fungus.
The toenail just fell off.
We've had varicose veinsdisappear and somebody purging a
whole bunch of parasites.
That was today.
Like it's crazy, the number ofthings people can heal from if
they just work up a littlecourage to try stuff.
(41:59):
And that's just theirexperience.
But wow, it's so much fun tofigure out how to deploy these
things.
As you're well aware of thenumber of people who've written
you over the years of tellingtheir story of how DMSO helped.
That culminated in this book.
Um, fantastic.
What was it that compelled youto write it?
Was it just that there wasn't aguide out there that was
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practical.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
There just wasn't any books out there that that give
anybody any information.
And, uh, I thought it wasabsolutely ridiculous that
nobody ever bothered to write areal book about DMSO, and so we
wrote one, and and, uh, andthere'll be people copying this
one too, you can bet, and theymay even get better, who knows.
But uh, at least it gives yousomething you can start with if
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you want to.
Yeah again, yes, recipes andtreatment.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yep, that was a needed angle in the whole world
of DMSO.
So one other question justrelated to, let's say, all three
, dmso, silver and chlorinedioxide.
Are there any big flashing redlights of no-nos or don't do
this related to these three,where people may not know
something that would getthemselves in trouble?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You mentioned gasoline with DMSO, yeah well,
it's not just gasoline.
Anything on your skin, nailpolish, anything on your skin,
the perfume and soap, all ofthat stuff will be taken clear
into the center of your bone.
If you want that perfume, youwant to be to smell really cool
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inside, go ahead and use it.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
This best smelling bones in the whole neighborhood?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that's right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Okay, but that's really it, that's it, it's of
all three.
That's the main thing you'd saybe aware of.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's really it.
I don't know of anything that,uh, I I have not.
I have no idea how you coulddrink too much of this silver
water, for instance, that waynemakes.
Now, I'm not saying that aboutall silver water.
It's not all created equal, andpeople should be well aware of
that.
We're talking about this, thisparticular kind, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, good caveat, and thanks for the answer there.
Okay, so, as we start to wrapup, I guess, one last thing I
want to ask you, just given thatcancer is also epidemic level
these days and so many peopleseem to be wrestling with that,
if you don't mind, I guess,rewind back to your first wife's
cancer scenario and with allyou have learned about health.
(44:37):
If you could go back to thattime with the knowledge you now
have, how would you handle thatsituation differently?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
And where might some of the things we've been talking
about fit into that picture?
Well, it would be real quickwith silver water and DMSO.
That would be real quickbecause there's no reason in the
world to have a problem withcancer In the first place.
One of the cancer?
(45:08):
Well, I hear Dr LeonardColdwell.
You've ever heard of him?
I have Dr Leonard Coldwell.
Have you ever heard of him?
I have not.
Okay, he wrote a book called theOnly Answer to Cancer and he
explains what cancer is, howit's caused, how you cause it
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yourself and so on and so forth,so forth, and he says that
people on average get cancerfive or six times during their
lifetime and never know itbecause the body takes care of
it automatically.
He says it's only when you getreally stressed and you get
messed up in your consciousnessthat cancer kills you.
(45:51):
And so he explains that very,very clearly in this book.
I think anybody that has canceror is thinking they might get
cancer or think it runs in thefamily which it really doesn't
it does run through the recipebooks.
Pretty much it kind of sticksin the family recipe books, but
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that's it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Wow, say the name of books, but that's it Wow, say
the name of the book, again forsomebody listening.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
The Only Answer to Cancer by Dr Leonard Coldwell,
C-O-L-D-W-E-L-L.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Wow, I love that.
Yeah, one of the things we talkabout is just the reality of
the mental, emotional, upstreamrealities that can poison the
body as much as the chemical andmicrobial toxicity that's
common.
It's great that he's bringingthat into the conversation too.
That stress is part of whatcreates the susceptibility for
this process to kickstart in thefirst place.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, stress is a thing that causes most all of
this stuff.
It was stress that caused thatLyme disease to come out in my
system.
It's always stress that causesthese things.
So if we can keep the stressdown, most all this stuff will
never even touch us.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, wow, okay.
So anything else you'd addabout your late wife's health
situation, the MSO and silver?
Is there anything else you'dadd about your late wife's
health situation, the MSO andsilver?
Is there anything else youwould have done differently?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Well, yes, we wouldn't have gone near the
hospital, wouldn't have gonenear those doctors, we would
have realized.
No, I don't say that thedoctors were trying to do
something nefarious.
I'd say that they've beentotally misled in their training
and I think their training isat fault.
And we know Rockefeller isbehind their training and
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Rockefeller sells lots of oilproducts, lots of petroleum
products.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Also known as pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Right right.
So I wouldn't say that it's aconspiracy.
It's just that he was a prettygood businessman and he was
doing everything he could toimprove his business and he
didn't give a damn if it hurtanybody or not.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
The whole podcast episode just about that.
It is a remarkable era ofhistory and we're still living
through, I think we're at thedeath throes, the end of the
system's kind of coming to itsneeded end.
But, man, it's going to take alot more conversations of us to
understand that, to talk aboutit and just create more and more
awareness.
But thank you for pointing thatout and for just your wisdom
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about not only these differentpurification agents but your,
your transparency with yourstory and so many things.
So I guess the one thing I wantto leave the listener with is
you wrapped up your book aboutDMSO talking about your
philosophy of being a winner, sothat just seems like a great
place to nudge them toinvestigate this.
So tell the listener a littlebit about your philosophy of of
(48:53):
being a winner.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Well, if you're trying to, if you're afraid to
try something, say that you'vebought some DMSO and you don't
quite know how to use it and soyou leave it set on the shelf
forever and never use it.
That is a loser.
That is a loser if, on theother hand, you're not afraid to
(49:20):
experiment on yourself.
Let's face it, these bodies arenot us.
Anyway, we wear these things,we put them on.
We wear them for a lifetime.
If we treat them nice, they'refun to wear it.
If we don't treat them nice,they aren't fun to wear.
It's as simple as that.
When the life ends here, that'sno big deal.
The body dies, but you don't.
You wander away.
Simple as that, and anybodythat's had any experiences at
(49:44):
all knows that's true.
In fact, you can go on theinternet, on YouTube, and you
can find all kinds of peoplewho've had what they call
near-death experiences, wherethey actually died for a while
and had various experiences thatproved to them that they sure
as heck weren't dead when theirbody died yeah well.
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So if, once you know that, onceyou know that, what's the
difference?
Why would you, why would you gothrough?
Why would you go through ayear's torture to on your way
out, to save yourself from uhdying, uh six months earlier?
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Yeah, you know why would you dothat?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
and that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
they're talking about , yeah, they're talking about
putting you through a year'storture, and that's about what
they do.
They about kill people off inabout a year, some of them less,
and basically they make it kindof end up as your bank account
runs dry.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, that's a good way to talk about it or a
metaphor for it, but yourlongevity and your multi-decade
use of these substances istestament that you're on to
something.
If anybody wants to argue withthat, here you have Exhibit A,
that these things work.
And he's still I mean, he'swriting books in his 90s.
That's remarkable.
(51:10):
So that book came out two orthree years ago.
Your DMSO book that's now thenumber one bestseller.
Oh, the DMSO book, yeah, yeah,2022 or 23.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It's great.
So, yeah, you don't have tojust accept crawling to the
finish line of life for a fewdecades and limp through this
with aches and pains.
There is hope and healing, andit does take stepping into the
winner's circle of okay, I'mjust going to try things, I will
see what happens and I will, Iwill, I'm willing to experiment
and find my way, and you havelived that out so well, herb.
(51:47):
So, um, any final thoughts youhave for the listener?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh, I don't know.
I probably got lots of finalthoughts, but I'm not sure when
the final one will come.
I will tell you one thing,though.
What's that?
When I was about six years old,the doctor told my parents, if
I didn't get my tonsils out, Iwould die.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Well, it's a possibility that the doctor is
right.
Yeah, the doctor may be right.
I probably will die, yes, atsome point.
He's just yeah, his timing wasway off.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, so you still have your tonsils?
I'm guessing, Of course.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, they're part of our equipment.
Whoever designed this body knewenough to put in tonsils and
appendix and a few other thingsto kind of act as a safety
buffer to keep us from killingourselves off too early.
Right, and if we allow somebodyto cut that stuff out, we're
making a big mistake.
Instead, you need to fix itdead.
(52:51):
You need to fix it.
If I ever get any pains down inmy side, down here in my
appendix location, I real quicktreat it with DMSO and silver
water and rub it in all aroundthe area, and I don't just put
it on the spot.
I go four or five inches aroundthe area that I'm trying to
treat so that it surely gets inat all angles to make sure I get
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silver and DMSO into that area.
And when I get one of thosepains it's generally gone in
about 15, 20 minutes and that'sthe end of it.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
You've got so many practical nuggets here in this
episode.
I love it.
It's just giving people courageto try, and one of the things I
loved about that story you justtold us somebody gives you
their opinion that death isimminent or that this can't be
healed or fixed, or whateverthey say is them potentially
just speaking out of their ownexperience and their training.
That doesn't mean all of thepossible outcomes have been
(53:51):
explored.
It's just that's what theythink, and so you don't have to
take that as a death sentence oras a nudge of fear that you
need to do whatever theso-called expert tells you.
You are the driver of your ownwellness and you have lived that
out so well.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, yeah, you know, we get to use this body for a
lifetime.
A lifetime can be fun or can bea real bitch, and it's up to us
.
We're the one that does it.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Well said, all right.
Well, tell the listener wherethey can find you, your work,
your books, anything else youwant them to know about.
To follow you.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Oh, you can find it at.
Oh, let me find you a anaddress here.
Make sure I get it just right.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Um, and I'll have it for everyone in the show notes
as well.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, uh, okay, it's um wwwtopsellerbestsellerscom.
Okay, there you go, that'swhere I got seller.
Yeah, that's where I got yourbook, yeah, bestsellerscom.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Okay, there you go, that's where.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
I got that Top seller yeah.
That's where I got your book,yeah, bestsellerscom, yeah, and
that'll get you to a store whereyou can find a few things and
if some you like, great, we'llbe glad to ship it to you.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
I love it.
I had to schedule later in theday with you because you're too
busy working in your shop andmaking things happen.
So thank you so much for takingthe time out of your schedule
and your life to just share somewisdom and give hope and
encouragement to a lot of peoplewho could use it.
I really appreciate it.
Okay, well, thank you.
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 46.
My guest today is Mr HerbRichards, who you'll as you'll
soon find out, is a veryremarkable person.
Herb is 96 years old and he isstill sharp as a tack.
He's been a student of holistichealth longer than I've been
alive and I'm currently 49.
So speaking with him makes mequite excited that I have a long
(00:22):
, healthy life ahead of me if Icontinue to practice what I know
and learn from people like Herb.
So what I'm excited to do inthis interview is just to
unearth some of the well-earnedintuition that Herb has and, as
you'll hear me say during theinterview, he's the first person
I've ever met who is intimatelyfamiliar with parasite
cleansing, chlorine dioxide,structured nanosilver and DMSO
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dioxide, structured nanosilverand DMSO and I've had interviews
on all four of those topics,but no one who understands and
uses all of them and can talkabout which ones to use and why.
So you are in for a treat ofsome practical wisdom today and,
by the way, if you would like adeeper dive into the topic of
parasites, check out myinterview with Kim Rogers.
If you'd like to know moreabout chlorine dioxide, you can
check out my interview with DrAndreas Kalker and my previous
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interview with Dr Robert Yoho,where we also discussed DMSO.
If you're interested to learnmore about nanosilver, you can
check out my interview with DrBen Follis, and if you want a
team to help you know how to putall these different pieces
together, check out our eightweek detox program at
healingunitedtoday.
Another fascinating thing aboutHerb is that both he and his
wife overcame debilitating Lymedisease about 20 years ago, so
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we talked about their healingjourneys and then the book Herb
ended up writing about thatexperience.
Another big theme of ourconversation was DMSO, and Herb
is the author of the number oneselling book in the world about
DMSO.
There are so many differentways you can use it to help
facilitate healing and heprobably lists over 100 in his
book.
But we narrowed our focus a bitto talk about cancer and
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chronic pain and infections andwait until you hear what he has
to say about antibiotics.
So if any of those topics arerelevant to you, I think you'll
really appreciate this interview.
Important disclaimer as with allepisodes of this show, nothing
in this episode is meant to bepersonal health advice, and so
we always suggest you interactwith a trusted healthcare
professional about what is bestfor you.
One final thought before I playthe interview, and really where
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I want to stretch your thinkingtoday is that, while neither
Herb or I are doctors and you'llhear us have a laugh about that
what I think Herb in many waysrepresents is what and really
what we are about at HealingUnited is an example of what
healthcare could have been allalong, about what doctoring
could have been.
It's interesting to reflectback on many of my interactions
with doctors the last few years,and I sometimes encounter a
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palpable reluctance amongmedical doctors in particular,
but just among doctors, to dowhat doctors are supposed to do,
and that is practice medicine,in other words, experiment, and
many of them are just leery toexperiment outside the
prescription pattern.
And to me, to practice is tospend time, as Herb has done,
trying things out and figuringout what works and what doesn't
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and developing your intuition,and while what you're about to
hear is a man who has spent overfive decades trying things and
creating his short list of whathe believes to be the essentials
that help the body heal.
So one quick side note a coupleof times during the interview
we had a little lag in ourconnection, so if you hear a
brief pause.
Just keep listening.
Okay, I'll leave you with thisthought If pharmaceuticals
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worked, you wouldn't need torefill your prescription.
So let that sink in.
And welcome to a conversationwith a wise old sage who enjoys
robust health and is about togive you some practical wisdom
for simple ways you can buildyour health.
Okay, without further ado,enjoy my conversation with the
ageless and inspiring HerbRichards.
Hello everyone, welcome totoday's show.
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My guest is the one and onlyHerb, also known as Roy by his
friends, herb Richards.
Hello everyone, welcome totoday's show.
My guest is the one and onlyHerb, also known as Roy by his
friends, herb Roy Richards.
I found out earlier what Royactually stands for.
It stands for return oninvestment.
He's that good at helpingpeople get a return on their
effort in life.
So Roy is a internationallypublished writer and health
enthusiast.
He's written several bookswhich he's just showed me.
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Many of them related to hisquest for health and an
understanding of the root causesof disease.
I love that.
That quest that he's on startedin his 40s, sadly after his
wife was killed by cancertherapy at the age of 38.
Herb then enrolled in theCollege of Human Life Sciences
in Austin, texas, where hereceived his degree in natural
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nutrition.
So, herb, welcome to the showtoday.
It's wonderful to have you.
Thanks for taking the time tojoin me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Nice to talk to you, christian, just any question you
have, let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
All right.
Well, so I was first introducedto your work by my friend, dr
Robert Yoho, and I was impressedbecause you were the first
person I had heard of who wasfamiliar with four significant
topics I'd been looking intodeeply and that was parasite
cleansing, chlorine dioxide,nanosilver and DMSO.
And you're not justsuperficially familiar with them
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, you've written books aboutthem and just have a ton of
practical intuition that I'mjust really excited to unpack
for the listener today.
So your quest for the rootcauses of disease has started in
your 40s, but tell people howold you are to give them context
for how long you've beenlearning and writing and helping
people.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, I just turned 96 a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fantastic.
So, side note for anyone whothinks they're too old to chase
their dreams, let Herb be anexample to you.
So you've been looking into theroot cause of disease for
probably more decades than mostpeople have been alive, so
fantastic.
Let's just back up and startwith the story that you have on
the back cover of your DMSO book, and it's the story of your
wife and her being killed bycancer therapy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So tell us a little bit about that story and just
some of the main lessons thatcame from that experience.
Well, we didn't know anythingabout health except to eat a
balanced diet.
That's what we were always told, and we didn't really know
anything about it.
And so when she was diagnosedwith cancer, we took their
advice and did what they said.
And of course, what they did isthey poisoned her to death with
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chemotherapy and radiation.
Both of them are poisoned andyou cannot poison someone back
to health.
It's just absolutely ridiculousto think that you can.
But we didn't know any better,and when they killed her off
within a year, I decided that Iwas going to find out something
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about health and find out whatwas really going on, because I
realized that the doctors didn'thave a clue.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, no, that's rude awakening.
A lot of people are coming toand, depending on where your
health journey takes you at somepoint facing that and trying to
tease out what is really thepath to healing.
And it's tragic that you had togo through that and I'm going
to unpack a little bit of whatyou've learned since then and
then we can maybe revisit thattoward the end.
(07:04):
But so, fast forward from thattragedy, you get remarried and
then years later, if I'm notmistaken, both you and your wife
developed Lyme disease.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I got Lyme disease from a mosquito bite and
this was after we'd beentogether for a number of years,
so it didn't come right away oranything.
In fact it was about 20 yearsago that we got Lyme disease and
I got it from a mosquito andshe got it from me because Lyme
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disease is very contagious andthe books don't tell you that
except for mine.
So it's just one of thosethings.
And the reason it's contagiousis because Lyme disease is
caused by a spirochete.
A spirochete is the same kindof a little critter that causes
syphilis and relapsing fever andthose are both very contagious.
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And just because the littlecritter is able to piggyback on
mosquitoes and fleas and ticksand so forth doesn't mean that
it's forgot how to go person toperson, just like it always did.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So yeah, Okay, I spent some time looking it up
after we talked, just realizingit's a bacteria, and I had never
heard, until I met you, thatyou could get it from a mosquito
, not just a deer tick.
So that was insightful, and butlet's tell a little more of the
story of like what you wereexperiencing.
I think it was a like afive-year gap between the
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mosquito bite and then thesymptoms showing up, as do I
remember that correctly.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, it laid dormant in my body for about five years
and then it showed up when Iwas under some tension from
something I was doing, I don'tknow maybe a little financial
thing that was going on, orwhatever.
But when I got my body undersome tension, that's when it
showed up.
Tension that's when it showedup.
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And the way it showed up for mewas it made my muscles really,
really weak.
In fact, it made me so weakthat I couldn't get up off the
floor unless I pulled myself up.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Wow, and how did you make?
The connection then all thoseyears later back to the mosquito
bite that that was where itstarted, and then all those
years later back to the mosquitobite that that was where it
started.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Well, I eventually ran on to a natural doctor that
told me that I you know, he saysthe way your body is responding
I think you probably have Lymedisease.
And so we did the test and wedid.
And so then I thought back allthose years ago how I'd got that
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strange bite mosquito bite andit didn't heal up.
It took about six months for itto go away, and I think so
that's the only thing that Icame across and I hadn't had sex
with anybody but my wife.
So you know, so we couldn'thave got it that way, and of
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course you can.
That's why a lot of people uh,thousands and thousands of
people have Lyme disease anddon't know what's wrong because
they got it from personalcontact rather than a bite yeah,
well, and you made the commentearlier before we started
recording that it's probably themost misdiagnosed disease of
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today, so tell me a little bitmore about that.
Well, the reason is is becausethe spirochete no matter what
brand of spirochete it is goesto the weakest part of the body
to set up its little colonies,and so therefore, everybody has
a different weak spot, soeverybody's going to show
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different symptoms.
So you can have the symptoms offibromyalgia, which I had, and
rheumatoid arthritis, which Isupposedly had also, and they
would show up as that ratherthan Lyme disease, and so that's
what keeps it from beingdiagnosed correctly, because it
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can show up as so many differentkinds of disease, like
irritable bowel syndrome, awhole bunch of diseases.
You can just name a disease andprobably it's in that list.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And what did your wife have?
The?
Same symptoms as you ordifferent.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
No, she had a real serious digestive problems.
Wow, and so no doctor I don'tcare whether it was a natural
doctor or MD would have everdiagnosed as each of us having
the same disease.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Because the symptoms are so different, they were so
different.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What did you try?
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You said they go.
What Well I?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
tried various essential oils.
Yeah, I tried various essentialoils and things first.
And uh tried a bunch of thingsat that natural doctor and I
don't even remember his name, hejust happened to be a natural
doctor their friend of mine toldme about and that's, and after
I went to see him he figured outthat that's probably what I had
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.
And then we got tested and itwas but uh, uh.
So I didn't have any idea whatwas going on, except I wanted to
do something about it, andthat's how it all came about.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay.
Well, I think you didn't havemuch success if I remember
correctly beating back Lymedisease until you found what at
the time was called MMS.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
MMS, which is, of course, chlorine dioxide.
Mms is a nickname that JimHummel put on it to kind of
disguise it, so that theauthorities wouldn't realize he
was using something so simple toget rid of all of these
diseases.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, so that was a key part of your healing, if I
remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It was a thing that worked.
That's what actually worked,okay.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So tell people about your experience using it then
and how you started to know itwas working.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, I used it.
I did what they recommended,which was take some every hour
for eight hours a day, and I didthat for about three weeks and
I tried all kinds of differentamounts because I didn't know
what to do and I just knew thatsomething was going to help.
Something either was going tohelp or wasn't, and so I
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eventually settled on threedrops an hour.
And I went three drops an hourfor about three weeks and my
hands, which had been swollenshut for they were swollen so
they wouldn't close for severalyears, but I think about two
years and my hands would startto work again, and so I knew I
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was on the right track and so Ijust kept doing it and in fact I
treated myself for about a yearbecause I wanted to make sure I
got rid of those little suckers.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, Well, in the title of your book, Arlie.
I think you have a couple bookson Lyme, but the title of one
of your books about Lyme diseasewas just called that Lyme
Disease Non-Medical Diagnosisand Treatment.
Love that part.
And then it's how I KickedChronic Lyme Disease in One Year
for Pennies.
So there's so many things tolove about this title.
Well done.
But I guess some of the secretto your success is in the title.
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So tell me about this one-yeartimeline aspect of your journey,
because one of my commonexperiences as a coach is
helping people calibrate to thelong game of healing.
So what helped you stick it outfor an entire year?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well, I just had a lot of determination, I guess
you'd call it, and I didn't haveanybody to guide me, and so I
just went long enough to makesure I did the job, and it
turned out that I did it for ayear and actually it costs about
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$30 for about six months ofthis kind of treatment.
So it actually cost me $ bucksjust about what it costs for a
decent meal, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right, so it's still not very many pennies, yeah,
fantastic.
No, it's not A year's worth ofwork, but for some reason you
had the compound effect and theyhave to, or the nudge.
I guess I wanted people to hearthat, because so often we live
in a culture where we aremarketed the quick fixes and the
rapid transformation stories.
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And, yes, you started noticingsome progress in two or three
weeks with using it, but you hadthe wisdom to say I'm not done
and there's more to do, and justnot give up on it at a plateau
and stick with it for an entireyear.
So anybody listening if youhave had a health journey and
you're maybe bummed at a plateauor you're wondering how long I
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have to do this, just keep going.
I guess is as much what I'mhearing in your story there.
Is there anything you want toadd to that?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
yeah, don't try people.
I say I tried this or I triedthat and so forth.
You cannot try.
You either got to do it ordon't do it, and that's that's
something that's very, veryimportant, and especially true
with chlorine dioxide.
Don't try it.
If you want to do it, do it,but don't try it.
Just messing around with itisn't, isn't going to do
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anything for you at all exceptwaste your time.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I love it.
Unfiltered wisdom right there,friends.
Okay, so next topic, butsomewhat related.
In your interview with Dr Yoho,I watched you guys talk and you
two somehow got onto the topicof parasites and you just
casually mentioned that everyonehas parasites and if you think
you don't have them, then you'rejust missing something.
So tell me a little bit aboutthat perspective.
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And was parasite cleansing atall a part of your recovery from
Lyme, or did that awareness ofthe problem come later?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, it actually came later, but you might say
that it was along with it, but Iwasn't doing parasite cleansing
when I was getting rid of theLyme disease.
Okay, but I knew aboutparasites because my wife Taylor
spent several years in Panama.
And you can just go to thegrocery store and it's right
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there on the counter and get allof it.
You want to get rid ofparasites and it's right there
on the counter and get all of it.
You want to get rid ofparasites and everybody knows
that you clean from parasites ayear, at least once a year and
usually a couple times a year ifyou want to stay clear of them,
because they are designed tolive in our body.
If you think you don't havethem, you're kidding yourself.
You do have worms and you dohave parasites.
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It's just the way it is.
We're built that way.
In fact, if you, if you look atthe oldest fossils they've ever
found and I forget how manymillions of years old they are
they are fossils of parasites,internal parasites, and so.
So what was it that?
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convinced you that everyone hasthem, then well actually, uh, I
hung around a lot with wayneroland and wayne roland has
spent a lot of time withparasites.
He found out that, uh, he had,he had cancer from lead
poisoning.
He got cancer from leadpoisoning and so he hunted
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around through the for rifeequipment, found rife equipment
and the guy that told him whatfrequency to use told him the
frequency to use and he used itand got rid of his cancer.
And a little later on he foundan actual expert on Rife
equipment and the expert sayswell, you didn't have the cancer
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frequency at all, you had thefrequency for parasites, for
worms and parasites.
Wow, really yeah.
And so when he found out thenhe realized that the lead
poisoning made his body reallyreceptive to parasites and the
parasites are what were doinghim in causing the cancer,
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because those parasites aren'thousebroken, they crap in your
body and their urine and theirfeces is what makes you sick,
that's what causes a lot of thetrouble in your body.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But the metal was the lead domino that made it
hospitable for them, did I?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
understand that correctly.
It was for him, but that isn'ttrue for everybody.
But we all do have heavy metals.
We get it because of the wayour food is processed and the
way our water is processed.
So we've got heavy metals.
We've got all of the rightenvironment to grow parasites to
beat heck Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, for people who don't know what is a Rife
machine.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
A Rife machine was a frequency machine.
It was developed in the 1930sthat you could pick the
frequency of the particularorganism and it would shatter
the organism, just like you canshatter a glass with the right
musical note, where you canshatter organisms the same way.
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And he figured that out andmade a machine that would do it.
And of course he was foughttooth to nail.
Because you're not allowed toget rid of disease.
There's no money in it.
When you do it that way,disease has to be something that
is expensive.
That's the same thing that'swrong with chlorine dioxide.
It's inexpensive, right?
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So therefore it's forbidden.
Yeah, now it's funny.
So therefore it's forbidden.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, now it's funny.
I just watched a documentarylast week about homeopathy and
they talked about the cancelingprinciple of similars, which is
what you're talking about.
You find that frequency thatthat thing doesn't like and it's
the end of that.
And to think of the number ofsuppressed breakthroughs that we
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have not been able to find,because chemically intervening
in the human body is what makesall the money.
It's a shame, but it's so funto hear you talk about these
things just with yeah, of course, that's just how things work
and you've just lived it for solong.
So anything else you want tosay about parasites or about how
often you guys do it or howoften you, how people, might go
about that?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, most everybody should do it a couple times a
year at least to start with, andyou want to make sure that you
get rid of them.
Well, so you want to do it,don't just try it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Just do it.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And you can get this one right here.
This book is Wayne Rowland'sbook.
I wrote it with him, helped himwith his book, and it's about
using silver.
Oh, that's where.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was going to go next.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
And parasite cleansing and silver.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, well, okay.
So the next of the big fourthat I was just thrilled to see
you were familiar with is silver.
So, briefly, just tell people alittle bit about the healing
power of silver, what it does inthe body, what you use it for,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, silver is actually an antibiotic.
It's a natural antibiotic andit doesn't matter what
particular organism it is, ittakes care of it.
Now, all of the artificialantibiotics that they've made
and the patent, all of thosethings only do a certain small
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spectrum of bacteria or virus orwhatever they're trying to do.
Well, actually, it can't kill avirus with an artificial.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But colloidal silver seems to take care of them.
So colloidal silver, if it'sdone right Now, there's all
kinds of ways of making silver.
You can make silver salts ofvarious kinds, you can make
colloidal silver of variouskinds.
But what Wayne did was hefigured out how to use Tesla
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technology and use lightning toactually make colloidal silver,
and so it's a different kind ofcolloidal silver.
The particles are the smallestknown in colloidal silver, down
to the Angstrom size or smaller.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Is that smaller than nano size?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, they are.
Wow, they actually areFantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So a crazy amount of electricity can do that, and
that's the thing that, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Well, what it does is lightning actually flashes onto
a plate that that has thiswater running over it, and so
the lightning constantly flashes.
It looks like uh frankenstein's, uh laboratory when you see
that thing working yeah, okay,like a spark plug traveling
across some arc.
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Basically yeah, yeah, just justuh.
Lightning flashes, they'reregular lightning flashes.
They look just exactly like theones out in the sky look.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But that's robbing the, the microbe of its
electrical charge and basicallychoking it out.
Is it my, my oversimplifyingthat?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
well, that's part of it.
Part of it is that it changesit.
It makes it so that the microbecan't get its oxygen.
Ah, okay.
And that's why the microbescan't develop a can't become
immune.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right, there's no antibiotic resistance to that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Right when the artificial antibiotics.
They can become immune to itand become super strains that
can't be gotten rid of hardly.
But this stuff, yeah, thisstuff seems to take care of
anything I've ever run onto.
Now, one of the ways I use itis we have cats.
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I like cats, they're neatlittle people and so, yeah, and
so what I do, and they scratchyou occasionally, whether
they're trying to or not,because they just plain have
really good claws and so and weknow what they do with their
claws, so we know that thosehave microbes and so forth when
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they scratch you.
So what I do is I take halfdmso and half of the of wayne's
silver water and mix themtogether and I just spray it on.
If they scratch, I just sprayit on and that's the end of it.
Never any infection, never anyproblem, because the dmO carries
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that silver right in as far asthe scratch went, so it kills
all those bugs.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Fantastic.
Well, you're segueingbeautifully for me, because the
other one I wanted to ask youabout was DMSO.
And so you have.
I didn't know this until wetalked today, but you wrote the
book DMSO dimethyl sulfoxide forhumans subtitled Recipes and
Treatments, and I was going tosay it's got to be the most
user-friendly book available,and you said it is the number
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one selling book on DMSOworldwide.
So congratulations, but welldone at the same time, because
it's so needed, because to makethis substance practical is such
a gift to humanity is such agift to humanity.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, and before that , I was really absolutely
disappointed by all the DMSObooks out there, because, even
though they told you that DMSOwas good for this or good for
that, there was no idea what todo or how to go about it or
anything.
And so I decided to puttogether a book that was.
Actually.
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I'd had so many people tell mewhat they did with the MSO, how
they got rid of this, how theyget rid of that.
So I had this.
I'd been keeping this list ofthings and I decided, well, why
don't we just put this in bookform and put these people's uh
recommendation, their ownpersonal experiences, in the
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book?
And that's what we did.
And so it has all kinds of ofrecipes that various people have
used to get rid of, uh, allkinds of problems.
Yeah, what I would?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I don't know what the mso it's probably close to a
hundred different things thatare in there that people have
written you about.
Is that a reasonably good guess?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh yeah, there's at least that many.
I don't know how many.
It's all through the alphabet.
I forget how many.
The whole center section of thebook is that.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, okay.
Well, give people a littlebackground on DMSO.
Where does it come from?
How was it discovered?
Give us a little more insightinto the substance itself paper
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company when they're makingpaper pulp.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Gmso was one of the byproducts that came out of it
and they had no idea what to dowith it.
But they did know that peoplewho worked in the timber and
worked out in uh, they call itout in the, what do they call?
Call it on a moat, I don'tremember what they call it, but
they work out there moving thoselogs around in the water and
they're in the water almost allday long and those people never
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get a cold.
And so somebody got the ideathat there must be something in
those trees that's keeping theseguys from getting sick, because
they're doing everything thatshould make them sick, they're
out there in the water and theweather, and so on and so forth
guys from getting sick becausethey're doing everything that
should make them sick, they'reout there in the water and the
weather, and so on, so forth.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Huh and so um they just accidentally found some
sort of medicinal property inthese trees, I guess that's
right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Wow, it's a natural product.
That's the thing, and that'sanother reason why it's not
liked by the mainstream isbecause it's a natural product
and can't be patented, right.
But the Crown Zellerbach PaperCompany has the patent on the
way they extract it.
The Crown Zellerbach inLouisiana has the patent on it?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is it only fir trees, or is it any type of tree?
Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So is it only for trees, or is it any type of tree
?
Do you know anything about that?
Well, all kinds of trees haveit and a lot of plants have it
in our garden and so on and soforth, but it's in very small
amounts in a lot of things.
Trees have the most of it.
They use it to transport thingsthrough those really heavy
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fibrous wood that they havefibrous tree pulp, and so it
takes it through our skin reallyreally easy, and that's what it
does and the reason it does it.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's looking for water.
Yeah, I've heard it describedas kind of nature's antifreeze.
It keeps the tree from freezingin the winter, so it's
constantly pulling moisture andit kind of creates this tailwind
of whatever's in its wake willjust be pulled into the body or
into the tree as well.
That's one of the ways itnourishes and stays hydrated.
Is that right?
Yeah, that's right, Nice, Okay.
(30:41):
Well, when did you first learnabout DMSO and what did you
initially use it for?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I first learned about it we were doing shows
down in Portland area and runonto a fellow there who had used
DMSO for several years and heused MSM, which is derived from
it.
Msm is organic sulfur, okay,and he used that stuff to get
(31:08):
rid of uh scarring on his body.
And that's the first I heard ofit.
And then I learned more aboutit and uh found out that, uh, we
could get it pretty easily andwe could get the organic sulfur
if we wanted it to.
And so we do have organicsulfur and we have DMSO.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And so what did you start using it for?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I just started using it, the organic sulfur or the
DMSO.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
The DMSO specifically .
I was curious what was yourfirst entry point into using it
on yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh, I guess it was when I smashed a finger, okay,
and I soaked it in DMSO and thepain was gone and it was okay
the next day.
And normally when I'd smashed afinger before and I've been a
mechanic for quite a few yearsand so smashing a finger was not
an unusual circumstance, buthaving it go away in a day was
(32:11):
unusual, and that told me thatthe MSO was really useful.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So you didn't just put a few drops on and rub it in
, you soaked your finger in it.
Yeah, really.
Why that hadn't occurred to meyet, I don't know.
But great idea.
So the more I learn about thissubstance and the other ones
we've mentioned, like this isthey're inexpensive, they're so
powerful and we just got to workup the courage to use them.
(32:37):
But give us maybe a personalstory or two.
We've got the smashed thumb orfinger there.
But what are some of the mostmemorable stories of healing
that all these people havereached out to you and shared,
or anything else you want totell people about?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
just the, the healing potential that dmso can offer
well, um, I use it as a carriermore than anything else.
In other words, if I have anyproblem in my body, I mix
(33:10):
whatever I want to treat thatproblem with with DMSO usually
about half and half Okay andDMSO will go clear to the center
of the bone in moments andit'll carry along with it
whatever's mixed with it.
Now that means you can hurtyourself with it too.
(33:31):
Mix it with gasoline and you'dhave to run on gas, and we're
not designed for that, right.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Okay, so your most common use is just personally as
a carrier.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Common use is just personally as a carrier Are
there any particular thingswhere you say DMSO by itself is
where you default to that andmaybe not need to mix it with
other things?
Yeah, I had a toothache a whileback.
I simply took a teaspoon fullof DMSO and put it in my mouth
(34:04):
and rolled it around that tootharea and held it for about 15,
20 minutes and then went aheadand swallowed it, and I did that
two times, maybe three times,and the toothache was gone.
Wow, no-transcript no, I don'tknow of any reason not to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm just thinking I can't drive into the body
further, that's in the tooth.
That was all I was thinking, sowell, well, you've already got
the murder.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You've already got the mercury in your body.
You need to get that stuff out.
That stuff's poison.
There's no way around it.
It's no matter what anybodytells you.
It is poison and it isconstantly leaking into your
body.
If you have a tooth that's madeout of silver and mercury, it's
going to be leaching into yourbody.
(35:05):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, no it's the painful recognition.
Yeah, yeah, all right.
No-transcript in car accidentsto elderly people.
(35:41):
Just able to play the pianoagain.
Dmso just seemed to win the dayin terms of pain relief.
Is that something that you'vefound in the people that have
reached out to you that that'sbeen a common theme they have
talked about?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
A lot of people have.
It just depends, you know,whatever people want to use it
for.
The thing about it is it'sabout as universal as anything
you can possibly get.
It has healing properties andit has carrier properties and
the combination is really hardto beat.
Yeah, you can't find anythingin pharmaceutical that'll even
(36:15):
come close to it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, okay, is there anything that you know of where
you could combine it with DMSOand it would kind of just render
it inert, like it doesn'tnecessarily.
It maybe loses some of itspotency Not that I know of, okay
Gotcha.
So, and how long is there adrop-off?
Like, if I made a mixture ofsilver and DMSO and had it
(36:39):
sitting in a spray bottle, wouldI need to kind of refresh it at
some point, or is itindefinitely good?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, I've used it for usually a four-ounce bottle
or an eight-ounce bottle.
Eight-ounce bottle usuallylasts me about a year, year and
a half, and then I mix upanother bottle, but I usually
have three or four of themsitting around.
I have some in my shop, I havesome in my house and so on and
(37:08):
so forth, so that wherever I'mat, if I need this, stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I've got it Fantastic , but so no need to necessarily
make a fresh batch.
It's not going to go bad, it'sjust.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, it's not going to go bad.
You know, if you really want to, if you want to get serious
about it, use a glass bottle.
If you use a glass bottle, Idon't imagine that there's any
length of time it would matterGot it.
I've been using PET typeplastic bottles.
(37:39):
Okay, pet is is not, uh,affected much by the MSO, and I
say not much because I can't saythat it isn't affected some.
It's just that I have not hadany problem with it.
Okay, but if you're really,really serious, use glass
bottles.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, Would that include the shaft of like I'm
thinking of a spray bottle.
Typically that's going to beplastic, Would you just say— I
know it, Are we too in the weedsand not really need to worry
about that because it's just sominuscule?
Some people are know aboutplastic.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I don't worry about it.
And another thing to rememberwhen DMSO comes in bulk it comes
in a 55 gallon plastic drum.
So everybody that then ordersit and somebody says well, I
ship all my DMSO in glass.
Well, they ship it in glass.
So what?
It just came out of a bigplastic drum.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's a good supply chain wrinkle that you just
unveiled there.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Thank you for that.
Yeah, if you want to put it inglass after you get it, why not?
That's a good way to store it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It probably lasts forever in a glass bottle of
(39:17):
silver and dmso and chlorinedioxide um, can you imagine and
ever needing an antibiotic again.
Is there any infection youdon't think you could put in
check with some combination ofthose three tools?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
no, there is none.
Well, even as far as I'mconcerned bone infections
nothing oh, mercer, mercer, mrsa.
One of the fellows who's injail now for talking about DMSO
used chlorine dioxide, mms,whatever you want to call it
(39:48):
today to get rid of MRSA, andthat's how he came across it in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Wow, and that's how he, that's how he came across it
in the first place.
Wow, yeah, as I've learnedabout this, I keep thinking is
there something in the infectionrealm that I should?
Oh man, but I don't.
I don't have it, I can't takecare of that.
And the more I've looked intoall three of these tools, the
more confidence I get that Icould just put infections in
check because the body justneeded a purification agent and
it does the healing so that,yeah, thank you for confirming.
I wasn't crazy that that reallyis, that they are this good so
(40:23):
I can't, I can't say thatthat'll work for everyone.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
All I know is it works for me, yeah well, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
None of this here is medical or health advice people.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's just us talking about absolutely not yeah
because anybody that just takesall this stuff without paying
attention and and tries to dowhat somebody else is doing are
is a fool.
Yeah, you need to understandwhat you're doing and spend some
time figuring it out and if youwant to decide to take it, take
it on yourself to do thosethings.
(40:52):
That's your business, none ofmine right, yep, precisely, yeah
.
What works for someone else maynot work for you and just do it
at your own risk yeah, yeah, mydoctorate is in natural
nutrition.
I don't.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I have no degree in medicine.
Don't want one.
Wouldn't take one as a gift Ifeel exactly the same way.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't want one, wouldn't take one as a gift.
I feel exactly the same way.
I don't have any aspirations toget MD or that after my name
whatsoever.
I like being in the healtharena and just doing my best to
figure out how the body works,what burdens it and how do I
take away a burden and how do Iempower it.
And it's such fun work becauseI get to talk to people like you
.
And just today, on our call, wehad a for our group coaching
(41:37):
call.
We had somebody lose acancerous tumor on her face.
We had somebody else lose alongstanding, disgusting looking
toe fungus.
The toenail just fell off.
We've had varicose veinsdisappear and somebody purging a
whole bunch of parasites.
That was today.
Like it's crazy, the number ofthings people can heal from if
they just work up a littlecourage to try stuff.
(41:59):
And that's just theirexperience.
But wow, it's so much fun tofigure out how to deploy these
things.
As you're well aware of thenumber of people who've written
you over the years of tellingtheir story of how DMSO helped.
That culminated in this book.
Um, fantastic.
What was it that compelled youto write it?
Was it just that there wasn't aguide out there that was
(42:19):
practical.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
There just wasn't any books out there that that give
anybody any information.
And, uh, I thought it wasabsolutely ridiculous that
nobody ever bothered to write areal book about DMSO, and so we
wrote one, and and, uh, andthere'll be people copying this
one too, you can bet, and theymay even get better, who knows.
But uh, at least it gives yousomething you can start with if
(42:47):
you want to.
Yeah again, yes, recipes andtreatment.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yep, that was a needed angle in the whole world
of DMSO.
So one other question justrelated to, let's say, all three
, dmso, silver and chlorinedioxide.
Are there any big flashing redlights of no-nos or don't do
this related to these three,where people may not know
something that would getthemselves in trouble?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You mentioned gasoline with DMSO, yeah well,
it's not just gasoline.
Anything on your skin, nailpolish, anything on your skin,
the perfume and soap, all ofthat stuff will be taken clear
into the center of your bone.
If you want that perfume, youwant to be to smell really cool
(43:38):
inside, go ahead and use it.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
This best smelling bones in the whole neighborhood?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that's right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Okay, but that's really it, that's it, it's of
all three.
That's the main thing you'd saybe aware of.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's really it.
I don't know of anything that,uh, I I have not.
I have no idea how you coulddrink too much of this silver
water, for instance, that waynemakes.
Now, I'm not saying that aboutall silver water.
It's not all created equal, andpeople should be well aware of
that.
We're talking about this, thisparticular kind, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, good caveat, and thanks for the answer there.
Okay, so, as we start to wrapup, I guess, one last thing I
want to ask you, just given thatcancer is also epidemic level
these days and so many peopleseem to be wrestling with that,
if you don't mind, I guess,rewind back to your first wife's
cancer scenario and with allyou have learned about health.
(44:37):
If you could go back to thattime with the knowledge you now
have, how would you handle thatsituation differently?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
And where might some of the things we've been talking
about fit into that picture?
Well, it would be real quickwith silver water and DMSO.
That would be real quickbecause there's no reason in the
world to have a problem withcancer In the first place.
One of the cancer?
(45:08):
Well, I hear Dr LeonardColdwell.
You've ever heard of him?
I have Dr Leonard Coldwell.
Have you ever heard of him?
I have not.
Okay, he wrote a book called theOnly Answer to Cancer and he
explains what cancer is, howit's caused, how you cause it
(45:28):
yourself and so on and so forth,so forth, and he says that
people on average get cancerfive or six times during their
lifetime and never know itbecause the body takes care of
it automatically.
He says it's only when you getreally stressed and you get
messed up in your consciousnessthat cancer kills you.
(45:51):
And so he explains that very,very clearly in this book.
I think anybody that has canceror is thinking they might get
cancer or think it runs in thefamily which it really doesn't
it does run through the recipebooks.
Pretty much it kind of sticksin the family recipe books, but
(46:14):
that's it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Wow, say the name of books, but that's it Wow, say
the name of the book, again forsomebody listening.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
The Only Answer to Cancer by Dr Leonard Coldwell,
C-O-L-D-W-E-L-L.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Wow, I love that.
Yeah, one of the things we talkabout is just the reality of
the mental, emotional, upstreamrealities that can poison the
body as much as the chemical andmicrobial toxicity that's
common.
It's great that he's bringingthat into the conversation too.
That stress is part of whatcreates the susceptibility for
this process to kickstart in thefirst place.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, stress is a thing that causes most all of
this stuff.
It was stress that caused thatLyme disease to come out in my
system.
It's always stress that causesthese things.
So if we can keep the stressdown, most all this stuff will
never even touch us.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, wow, okay.
So anything else you'd addabout your late wife's health
situation, the MSO and silver?
Is there anything else you'dadd about your late wife's
health situation, the MSO andsilver?
Is there anything else youwould have done differently?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Well, yes, we wouldn't have gone near the
hospital, wouldn't have gonenear those doctors, we would
have realized.
No, I don't say that thedoctors were trying to do
something nefarious.
I'd say that they've beentotally misled in their training
and I think their training isat fault.
And we know Rockefeller isbehind their training and
(47:41):
Rockefeller sells lots of oilproducts, lots of petroleum
products.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Also known as pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Right right.
So I wouldn't say that it's aconspiracy.
It's just that he was a prettygood businessman and he was
doing everything he could toimprove his business and he
didn't give a damn if it hurtanybody or not.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
The whole podcast episode just about that.
It is a remarkable era ofhistory and we're still living
through, I think we're at thedeath throes, the end of the
system's kind of coming to itsneeded end.
But, man, it's going to take alot more conversations of us to
understand that, to talk aboutit and just create more and more
awareness.
But thank you for pointing thatout and for just your wisdom
(48:31):
about not only these differentpurification agents but your,
your transparency with yourstory and so many things.
So I guess the one thing I wantto leave the listener with is
you wrapped up your book aboutDMSO talking about your
philosophy of being a winner, sothat just seems like a great
place to nudge them toinvestigate this.
So tell the listener a littlebit about your philosophy of of
(48:53):
being a winner.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Well, if you're trying to, if you're afraid to
try something, say that you'vebought some DMSO and you don't
quite know how to use it and soyou leave it set on the shelf
forever and never use it.
That is a loser.
That is a loser if, on theother hand, you're not afraid to
(49:20):
experiment on yourself.
Let's face it, these bodies arenot us.
Anyway, we wear these things,we put them on.
We wear them for a lifetime.
If we treat them nice, they'refun to wear it.
If we don't treat them nice,they aren't fun to wear.
It's as simple as that.
When the life ends here, that'sno big deal.
The body dies, but you don't.
You wander away.
Simple as that, and anybodythat's had any experiences at
(49:44):
all knows that's true.
In fact, you can go on theinternet, on YouTube, and you
can find all kinds of peoplewho've had what they call
near-death experiences, wherethey actually died for a while
and had various experiences thatproved to them that they sure
as heck weren't dead when theirbody died yeah well.
(50:06):
So if, once you know that, onceyou know that, what's the
difference?
Why would you, why would you gothrough?
Why would you go through ayear's torture to on your way
out, to save yourself from uhdying, uh six months earlier?
(50:26):
Yeah, you know why would you dothat?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
and that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
they're talking about , yeah, they're talking about
putting you through a year'storture, and that's about what
they do.
They about kill people off inabout a year, some of them less,
and basically they make it kindof end up as your bank account
runs dry.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, that's a good way to talk about it or a
metaphor for it, but yourlongevity and your multi-decade
use of these substances istestament that you're on to
something.
If anybody wants to argue withthat, here you have Exhibit A,
that these things work.
And he's still I mean, he'swriting books in his 90s.
That's remarkable.
(51:10):
So that book came out two orthree years ago.
Your DMSO book that's now thenumber one bestseller.
Oh, the DMSO book, yeah, yeah,2022 or 23.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It's great.
So, yeah, you don't have tojust accept crawling to the
finish line of life for a fewdecades and limp through this
with aches and pains.
There is hope and healing, andit does take stepping into the
winner's circle of okay, I'mjust going to try things, I will
see what happens and I will, Iwill, I'm willing to experiment
and find my way, and you havelived that out so well, herb.
(51:47):
So, um, any final thoughts youhave for the listener?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh, I don't know.
I probably got lots of finalthoughts, but I'm not sure when
the final one will come.
I will tell you one thing,though.
What's that?
When I was about six years old,the doctor told my parents, if
I didn't get my tonsils out, Iwould die.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Well, it's a possibility that the doctor is
right.
Yeah, the doctor may be right.
I probably will die, yes, atsome point.
He's just yeah, his timing wasway off.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, so you still have your tonsils?
I'm guessing, Of course.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, they're part of our equipment.
Whoever designed this body knewenough to put in tonsils and
appendix and a few other thingsto kind of act as a safety
buffer to keep us from killingourselves off too early.
Right, and if we allow somebodyto cut that stuff out, we're
making a big mistake.
Instead, you need to fix itdead.
(52:51):
You need to fix it.
If I ever get any pains down inmy side, down here in my
appendix location, I real quicktreat it with DMSO and silver
water and rub it in all aroundthe area, and I don't just put
it on the spot.
I go four or five inches aroundthe area that I'm trying to
treat so that it surely gets inat all angles to make sure I get
(53:15):
silver and DMSO into that area.
And when I get one of thosepains it's generally gone in
about 15, 20 minutes and that'sthe end of it.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
You've got so many practical nuggets here in this
episode.
I love it.
It's just giving people courageto try, and one of the things I
loved about that story you justtold us somebody gives you
their opinion that death isimminent or that this can't be
healed or fixed, or whateverthey say is them potentially
just speaking out of their ownexperience and their training.
That doesn't mean all of thepossible outcomes have been
(53:51):
explored.
It's just that's what theythink, and so you don't have to
take that as a death sentence oras a nudge of fear that you
need to do whatever theso-called expert tells you.
You are the driver of your ownwellness and you have lived that
out so well.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, yeah, you know, we get to use this body for a
lifetime.
A lifetime can be fun or can bea real bitch, and it's up to us
.
We're the one that does it.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Well said, all right.
Well, tell the listener wherethey can find you, your work,
your books, anything else youwant them to know about.
To follow you.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Oh, you can find it at.
Oh, let me find you a anaddress here.
Make sure I get it just right.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Um, and I'll have it for everyone in the show notes
as well.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, uh, okay, it's um wwwtopsellerbestsellerscom.
Okay, there you go, that'swhere I got seller.
Yeah, that's where I got yourbook, yeah, bestsellerscom.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Okay, there you go, that's where.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
I got that Top seller yeah.
That's where I got your book,yeah, bestsellerscom, yeah, and
that'll get you to a store whereyou can find a few things and
if some you like, great, we'llbe glad to ship it to you.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
I love it.
I had to schedule later in theday with you because you're too
busy working in your shop andmaking things happen.
So thank you so much for takingthe time out of your schedule
and your life to just share somewisdom and give hope and
encouragement to a lot of peoplewho could use it.
I really appreciate it.
Okay, well, thank you.
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