Kerri Rivera: Autism is Not Forever - The Blueprint for Healing that Doctors Don't Know - Deconstructing Conventional

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 53.
This is an episode and a topicI've been excited to cover for a
while, and I just needed theright person to help me do it.
So my guest today is a mamabear and life changer named
Carrie Rivera.
She makes the bold claim thatautism is avoidable, treatable
and curable, and you're about tofind out what gives her that

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confidence.
As you might imagine, carrie issomeone who has walked the path
of helping her son recover fromautism, and she has also helped
tens of thousands of otherparents do the same thing.
Because of that, carrie has alsotaken a lot of heat.
She is one more example of whathappens when you step on the
toes of big pharma and all theagendas that are tied into that
cartel.
She has been smeared andvilified all over the internet.

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She has been a victim of SWATraids, investigations,
demonetization, deplatforming,and her books have been taken
down from Amazon and Barnes andNoble.
And wait until you hear thelist of email companies who will
not deliver emails from her.
It is a long list.
That set of injustices is justone of the reasons I am thrilled
to be able to introduce you toher and to amplify her work,

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unless you've just beencompletely checked out of
society.
You're probably aware thatautism is, and has been for a
while, at epidemic levels, wherecurrently about one out of 32
children born today is diagnosedwith autism.
Carrie and I would both agreethat there is, and has been for
a while, a massive poisoninggoing on.
That is the only thing thatexplains the situation.

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I don't want to brush over astatistic like that without
helping you see how significantthis is.
If we do not reverse thecurrent exponential rise, if we
simply stay on the trajectorywe're on, we are looking at a
society where, depending onwhich estimates you read, in the
next 15 to 25 years, literallyhalf of all children born will
be diagnosed with autism and, asKerry pointed out, 90% of all

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marriages do not survive anautism diagnosis Friends.
That is how you bankrupt asociety.
This is a problem for all of usand that alone is a great
reason to share this episode farand wide.
If you know someone who has anautistic child, please share
this interview.
You may be the one who not onlygives them hope you never know
who you might reach that needsto hear this and if you don't

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know how to share an episodewith a hot button topic like
this, you might just simply say,hey, I don't know if there's
anything in here you don'talready know, but I found it
interesting and I learned somethings, and so I thought I'd
share it with you in case it'shelpful.
That's all you need to say.
After you've done that, followup and ask if they've listened
and let them know.
You'd love to know what theythink.
But to whet your appetite forwhat you're about to hear, in

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this interview, carrie lays outsome of the history of the rise
of autism.
She talks about the mainculprits, of where it comes from
, some of which may surprise you.
She talks about her son's storyof receiving an autism
diagnosis and she just speaksopenly about the challenges and
the major milestones of hisrecovery.
She also talks about the clinicshe used to run in Latin
America where she helped kidsfrom all over the world, and she

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gets really practical in termsof her favorite tools, the
timeframes for a productivehealing journey and how families
, especially moms, often healtogether.
One thing I really appreciateabout Carrie is that her
knowledge is not from an ivorytower Like mine.
It's from the trenches.
It's from getting into theweeds of real lives and real
budget constraints and realemotional situations and finding

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a way forward when doctors haveno ideas.
So she is, like so many moms,scrappy and resilient and
unwilling to give up on her ownchild.
Her life kind of reads like aseries of tragedies followed by
divine appointments, and she isjust, in many ways, an angel
among us.
Her methods are well honed andwhat I appreciate about her work
, similar to mine, is that weboth know that health returns

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when you simultaneously do a fewthings, and she lays out so
many of them in this episode.
So you are in for a treat, andif you have an autistic child,
you are in for a windfall ofhope.
And as a little bit ofvalidation for Carrie, after we
stopped the recording, shepointed out that the FDA has
quietly removed the warningabout the safety of chlorine
dioxide, so perhaps the truth isstarting to break out even at

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the government level.
We shall see, friends, I knowthere are so many podcasts and
shows out there you could belistening to, and so I'm honored
to have you.
Thank you for being here.
I'll keep doing my best to helpyou find better questions and
better answers and, if you likethe work I do, please consider
leaving me a review, and,without further ado, here is my
interview with the one and onlyKerry Rivera.
All right, hello everyone.

(04:24):
Welcome to today's show.
It is my delight to introduceyou to Keri Rivera, so let me
tell you some fun things aboutthis lovely lady.
She is a pioneer in the use ofchlorine dioxide as a treatment
to reverse the symptoms known asautism.
She was the founder of thefirst clinic in Latin America to
treat autism.
She's helped more than 5,000children recover from autism and

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more than 100,000 peopleimprove their quality of life,
and before the Facebookcensorship era kicked into high
gear, she had a support groupwith about 60,000 followers and
more than 10 language, and itgot so big they had 60 different
moderators.
She's also the author ofnumerous books and she's a
homeopath author of numerousbooks and she's a homeopath.

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She hosts a TV show online TVat brighteontv called Champions.
So, carrie, that is oneimpressive resume, but I think
who you are is even moreimpressive, and so I just can't
wait for people to hear yourstory.
So welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
You're so generous.
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
You're welcome, okay, so one of the things I like to
do on this show is just kind ofdefine our terms and give some
people some grounded context.
So before we get into yourstory of your son and his autism
, help us kind of understand theworld of autism when did this
start to become an epidemic?
And dial us in a little bit onthe history of this problem.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, autism didn't exist before the 1940s and the
first people that wereno-transcript.

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And you know, I also believelike there's a lot of people,
like most of us, who havechildren, that were affected.
I was just looking at photos ofmy son actually while I was
waiting for you.
That's my son before autism,like he was just, you know, he
was just a stinky little happyguy.
You know, he was just like alittle happy guy and then I kept
, you know, vaccinating him,happy guy, and then I kept, you

(06:28):
know, vaccinating him and he's,I started to lose him between 12
months and 24 months.
I started losing him by by twoand a half.
He was nonverbal, so he wentfrom a child.
He was a really sparky, sharpguy, like compared to his
brother, he was the sharpest ofthe two kids and I mean, but you
know, of course, at thedifferent ages, right, but he
was really sharp.
And you know, the more and morevaccines we get going on and
the more toxicity in our food,glyphosate, and our air quality,

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our water quality, you know the5G, like there's a lot of
things that are playing the roleand anyway, so it came to be, I
believe, and many of us youknow who are have children that
are affected by autism, theautism spectrum that it came
from vaccines, and it doesn'tmean that every child who has
the diagnosis of autism is evenvaccinated.
I do work with a subset of kidsin a very, very small amount

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who've never received avaccination.
Well, there's other things thatcan happen, like my friend, dr
Roby Mitchell.
Rest in peace.
You know he always said likethere's a perfect storm, like
the mother could havehypothyroidism, she could be a
little bit older, caesarianthere's all that medications.
At the moment they're beingborn.
That's pumping the baby.
So there's a lot of things, youknow.
There's a lot of other littlethings.
You can actually kind of huntand pack that way.

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But right now, according to theCDC, in 2025, it's one in 31
children, including girls, withautism.
This is, this is devastatingand there's it's not possible to
have a genetic epidemic.
So we are having an epidemicand it's not genetic.
So why is RFK Jr saying I'lllet you know what's happening
with autism in September?

(07:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
We already know.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I kind of don't have any hope that anything's
going to change.
I mean, I would love to seethat it changes because I work
with families every day andtheir children, they were fine
like mine and now they're notfine.
And so of course, now autism ifin fact you can express a
genetic issue, you couldactually reverse it.
I don't believe that autism isgenetic, but they do say that
it's about a 10%.

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So you will sometimes see theguy.
I work with a family out of theUK.
They have three children andall three children have autism.
There's different levels, likethe older one, he's higher
functioning.
The younger one, the youngerone's a set of twins, so you
will see that.
So we need to look at what weare doing to the children
environmentally, and that wouldchange everything.

(08:39):
Or look at the Amish they don'thave any autism, they don't
vaccinate.
And that could be a connection.
Why don you know they don'thave any autism, they don't
vaccinate?
And that could be a connectionLike why don't we do a double
blind and say like, ok, youhundred, for the first three
years get no vaccines, youhundred get everything, all 72,
because you know they're puttinginto one needle up to eight,
eight vaccines at one time.
They have no tests on thesynergy about it, you know.

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And of course Ronald Reagan in1986 released the vaccine
industry and the pharmaceuticalindustry of any wrongdoing, no
matter who gets harmed by theirproducts, which is, you know,
that's car companies don't havethat.
Supplement companies don't havethat.
So you know why do they getthat?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, well, there's some companies right now that
pesticide makers in particular,that are pushing for and have
gotten in a few statesindemnification from any harm
from their pesticides.
So that's like the playbook ofpoisonous industries.
They're just we'll stop makingthis unless you tell us we can't
be sued for harming anyone andwe've got to stop that as a

(09:34):
population.
So if you're hearing this,speak up.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, it's devastating.
It's really devastating whatthey're doing to us.
And then you know they shouldbe working for us.
You know these branches ofgovernment should be working to
keep us safe, but yet they'renot.
And you know we look at peoplelike Lindsey Graham.
They're lifers.
You know they're just in theremaking their millions, robbing
us blind, selling out ourcountry, and we don't have to go
so far as to see what we'redoing to the children.

(09:58):
Or you know what they'retalking about too, about the
foods.
How is it possible that thefoods in the United States are
more tainted with coloring andflavoring and poisonous what do
you call it preservatives thanother countries?
You know, like Gatorade is noteven allowed in some countries
because it's so toxic In theStates you guys have like when I

(10:19):
say you guys haven't livedthere in 30 years, but you have
like so much junk.
It's unbelievable the amount ofjunk it's.
Actually you have to dig tofind anything decent.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I think it's something like 80 different
chemicals that are banned inother countries are still
allowed in our food system hereand we're celebrating when we
get one or two of them.
Like a red food dye is gone,okay, what about the other ones
that we know are poisoning us?
So yeah, well, you basicallysaid I even said in the
introduction one of your booksis healing the symptoms known as
autism, which implies something.

(10:47):
So I think we've kind ofcovered the answer to this.
But autism is a symptom of what, to put it succinctly, it's a
label, it's not even a thing.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean it should be called vaccine injury, because I
don't.
I would say that ninety ninepoint nine percent of the
children diagnosed with autismare vaccine injured.
That's what I see.
I can't tell you how manyparents I've talked to.
You know.
Tens of thousands, tens ofthousands.
At this point, I've been doingthis 22 years.
Tens of thousands of children,you know, have have lost their
lives to.
You know, my child, mmr, likeJenny McCarthy she's an actress

(11:19):
in Hollywood and her son, she,she, wrote a book louder than
wordsder Than Words many yearsago and she traveled coast to
coast with Larry King andeverything, saying, hey, there's
this problem.
You know you've got to stop it,because her son literally had a
vaccine and immediately had aseizure and started dying and
they brought him back.
So that's why she knew exactlywhat happened.
It was, you know, a well babyvisit.

(11:39):
And then you know, her kid's,you know coding he's gone.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, and that's such a common story among
moms and they just there's somany thousands or tens of
thousands, millions of them, andit just gets dismissed as
anecdotal.
And every other realm we kindof honor a woman's intuition,
but in this one we're like, no,that's just, that's something
else.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But what happens?
You know you go from this to.
I don't have a picture, you know, so close to me right now, of
what happened to Patrick, likemaybe a year after that two
years, a year and a half afterthat picture it was zombie, just

(12:22):
zombie, like they, like the youknow the invasion of the body
snatchers and they there's a lotof jabs, um, and he just, you
know, started to like lose eyecontact, feel worse, cry
diarrhea, sleepless nights andstuff.
And then the member was like oh, terrible, twos are upon you so
like oh, terrible, twos, that'swhy I'm so sleep deprived.
And then, of course, you know Iwas really sleep deprived so
like I couldn't even you know Ididn't.
I, I don't even know how Ifunction.

(12:42):
I I was driving a car which wasscary.
At the time I really hadn'tslept in like a year, so it was
difficult.
And you don't know reallywhat's happening at that point,
because your life has just beenthrown into this.
You don't even know how toquantify it or qualify it.
It's something you've neverexperienced before.
And so you're like oh well, Iguess that's how it is and it's
not like how it is.

(13:03):
And well, I guess that's how itis and it's not like how it is.
And then, of course, after time, and then when somebody finally
, I had a very, actually reallyinteresting I've had a lot of
these kind of godsidences orserendipitous experiences kind
of thing, and it's always sortof been like when I needed
answers to something, thatsomething came into my life.
So I do pay attention to peoplethat revisit or that come out
of nowhere.

(13:24):
So what happened when my son wasdiagnosed with autism?
He was diagnosed in 2004, 12thof March 2004.
And I used to play tennis a lotLike.
I played like five, six days aweek and a lady who used to play
on a court next to me at aboutthat same time she used to play
with another person.
That's what happens, you know,when you get busy with your life
.
You know you like have a personthat you play with and you only

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.
But so, anyway, she and I usedto talk about our dogs.
We had old dogs and they usedto take glucosamine and we'd
talk about, like, our old dog,you know, like you know
changeovers or something likethat.
And, um, he had just beendiagnosed the 12th of of of
March 2004.
And I and somebody had told methere's this guy and he used to
do some sunrise of therapy andhe lives over in those buildings

(14:05):
over there.
So I, I hunt this guy down.
I mean anything for my kid, Ihunt this guy down.
And so he's like okay, I cantalk to you at this time.
So I say, okay, I'll come over,cause right around the corner
from where I played tennis.
So I went and he lived in, kindof a you know those buildings
that are pool in the middle.
And so we met talking and I'mlike, please, please, we work
with my son.
He's like, no, no, I don't wantto do that anymore and I'm
doing something else.

(14:26):
I'm like, oh, so I came out ofthat meeting to kind of like
just super bummed out and I sawthe woman.
Her name is Susan.
I saw Susan driving down thislittle teeny street in front of
that that complex, and I saw her.
I'm like I just don't want tosee anybody.
But something came into me andsaid life is about smelling the

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flowers along the road.
And so I was like all right,pull it together, kara.
And so I'm like, hey, susan.
And she's like, oh, hi.
So I approach her car.
I'm like, oh, nice car, she'sgot a new car.
She's like, oh, I had aterrible week and she's a
realtor.
I had a terrible week and thisand that.
I'm like I had a terrible week.
I'm like you know, my, my dog,of my dog, that dog of 15, 14
years was put to sleep on the11th.

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On the 12th my son wasdiagnosed with autism and on the
13th my identity was stolen onthe internet.
And it was like days later thatthis happened.
And she's like she puts her carin park, she turns the car off
and she says I have a friend.
She lives in Toronto, canada,and she started an early autism

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center.
I'm going to give her your emailand this goes back.
You know we're talking about2004.
So this is like you know, andthere was no text message or
anything like that.
And we used to live in I alwayslived in Mexico until I lived
in Germany, and so I mean youcouldn't make a phone call
without it costing like 20 bucksa minute.
So she's like I'll give openedmy email and there was this long
, long email from Nora.
She was one of my you know, Ihave so many like earth angels
along the way that just came inwhen I needed it and she

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explained to me what happened,because you don't know what
happened.
Like you have this kid and I'mshowing you the picture.
You have this kid and he's fine, and now he's not fine.
He's really not fine.
He's drooling, he's diarrhea,like he's physically ill.
And I don't know what to do,because every time I go to the
doctor, all they do is offer me,you know, antibiotics, more
vaccines, you know that kind ofstuff.
She explains to me what happens,that you know autism is caused

(16:12):
by vaccines and you know autismis treatable and curable and
avoidable.
And I'm like, well, you know,this is great.
And she's like you've got toget this guy for the ABA.
He's going to come from NewYork and you've got to get him.
And you've got to go to Floridaand you've got to see this
doctor.
And well, there's me.
I did exactly what she said.
I got the guy's wife to comebecause she's also a PhD in the

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ABA.
She comes, I set up a programand then I head to Florida to
see this doctor, and that thatwas kind of when my biomedical
stuff started.
So I I just you know the thingis too, as I was going along the
process, I was learning.
So I was learning what workedand what didn't work.
So I spent $5,000 with thisdoctor in Florida and I get, you
know, b12 injections andLeucovorn patches and I get all

(16:58):
this kind of stuff, supplements.
We do labs of hair, urine,blood stool, send them out.
Uh, we, so we do all this stuff.
I get home, I start the thing.
Patrick had a really good resultwhen I took him off the wheat
and dairy.
That was huge.
Just he.
You know, somebody like the13th because I came home on the
12th of march after thediagnosis and some of the moms

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of the kids that were going tosleep over with my elder son
were there and I was destroyedand they're like, oh, one says I
have this book.
It's about a diet for autismand ADHD.
And I was like, oh, you lend itto me.
She said I'll bring it tomorrow, so she brought it over, I
motored through it and then atthe end there was this diet of
what were the permittable foodsand thing he didn't eat.
He only ate wheat and dairy.

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By that time he had justself-selected really poisonous
food for him.
He did eat potatoes, whitepotatoes, so he ate French fries
.
So I was like, okay, can't haveMcDonald's fries, but we'll
make fries at home.
So that's what we started doing.
And, like Richard Sachs he'sanother person who's interviewed
me he's like that potato dietthat you had in mind.
It's not a potato diet, but itwas gluten-free, casein-free, it
was the only thing he ate.

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So he started eating justpotatoes.
You know, we'd fry them incoconut oil and put sea salt on
them, because everything elsewas wheat and dairy.
Three days later he started tosay words again and so we were
like, wow and then, and so fromthat point I saw my son getting
better, even just by changingthe diet.
And then, of course, you know,came the, the, the ABA people.

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Then of course I went to seethe, you know what is?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
what is ABA for people who don't know?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Applied behavioral analysis.
It's basically um, uh,behavioral therapy is what it is
.
So you know it's like put thishere and you, you know, hug them
and high five them and you know, kind of like what we do with
our dogs and our kids and ourdolphins, and you know it's sort
of like that it just, insteadof being, you know, a fish for a
dolphin or a little piece ofbeef snack for a dog, it's like

(18:50):
high five and hugs and good joband tickles and that kind of
stuff.
And then they look at you andthey're excited about you.
So you know we're trying tobring them back into our world
that they left.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Nice.
I like that as a hadn't heardthat term or defined before, so
that's makes sense.
We had a season where we um,had a child that was just, uh, I
guess high strung, you couldsay, and so part of getting him
out of a shell was was likedefining how hard to hit things.
Like there's a, just hit itlike a butterfly Now, hit it
like a dinosaur Now, and it gavehim language and it gave him

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understanding and just an outletfor this, like pent-up energy
as a boy that he had and itreally did a lot just by the
physical touch and interaction.
And we even had a particularmassage we did with him and so
on.
So, yeah, I can see where thatcould be fruitful.
Okay, well, keep going withyour story.
So you went kind of the whatwas the best you knew of at the
time.
So take us through that andthen get us up to the point

(19:43):
where you introduce chlorinedioxide.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
So 2004 was a diagnosis by 2010,.
I had done every stem cells,I'd seen every one of the major
doctors in the United States andmy son was better, but he
wasn't where we wanted him to be, of course.
And so at that point, I hadjust come off of a protocol that
was totally insane.
It was studies every every twoweeks.

(20:07):
It was 120 supplements a day,including drops.
Yeah, it was.
It was totally insane, totallyinsane.
And he was just barfing up,vomiting up entire pills, like
it was really bad.
And at that point, he was goingto turn 10 in August and that
was June, and I was justdevastated.
I mean, there was nothing leftto.
There's nothing on the horizon.
You know, I did hyperbarics and,like I said, stem cells and

(20:28):
ozone, and I did every,everything possible injections,
b12 and glutathione and, likeyou name it, chelation IV,
chelation, oral chelation, cream, chelation, suppository, like
everything possible.
It had been done with my sonand you know he still was, like
I said, far from that.
So it was, uh, june of 2020,june of June of um 2010.

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And I laid on my kid's bed theywere at school, of course.
I drove them to school.
Uh, I came home and I just waslike I don't know.
I laid on their bed and I justheld my hands open and uh, and
of course I've been praying allalong like God, please save my
kid, please make this go away,you know, like nothing happened.
It was really marginal andanyway I'm like I don't know, I
don't know, but if there is ananswer because I know that God

(21:12):
doesn't just love rich kids, sostem cells would never mean
$30,000 for, you know, family inVenezuela right now it's like
not a possibility, right?
So that cannot be the answer andthat's why it didn't work and
doesn't work for people, butanyway.
So I just asked for the answerand the idea of this chlorine
dioxide came to me because I'dbought it a year prior.
So in 2009, I'd gone to see apediatrician in Guadalajara,

(21:35):
which is a major city near whereI lived, and so I was talking
to the doctor there who wasdoing IVs on the kids that I was
working with at the clinic, andso I went to see him, because I
was in town and his nurse camein and she had this big, you
know, big cardboard box and ithad green bottles and blue
bottles in it.
And I was like, oh, what arethose?
You know?
Women were like oh, colors, youknow.
And uh, and he's like, oh,those are detoxification drops.

(21:58):
I'm like, oh, I'll take somesets of that, you know, cause
they're like 10 bucks orsomething ridiculously cheap.
And so I got home and I'm likeI don't know what to do with
these things.
So I called him and he's like,oh, just put one drop of each
together or whatever you know,for a minute.
And then, you know, put inwater and drink it.

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And I was like, yeah, all right, fine, so, like nothing
happened.
I did, I tried, so anyway, Ishelved them.
And that's when I did thatprotocol of like 120 supplements
and, you know, very, verypricey.
That was 2009, 2010.
But after that, you know, oneyear he was actually worse.
He just looked like bloated,his liver was obviously stressed
from all the supplements.
And then some healer came totown.
He's like you know, stop allthat stuff, his body's not

(22:42):
responding.
You could see him, he didn't.
He didn't look good.
Um, his body's not respondingto all those supplements that
doctor is giving.
So, stop that.
And so I was like, and I wasthinking to myself if I stopped
that, I have nothing to go to,like there's just no chance in
autism, recovery is done.
And so I did stop it and he wasbetter within 72 hours.
Like, better, like okay.
So that means that's not theroute.

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And that's like I said, sometimein June I did this prayer thing
and then, like I said, itwasn't like a prayer like Hail
Mary full of grace or our father, it wasn't like that.
It was literally like there hasto be an answer and I'm willing
to receive it.
And so the feeling became thatif I were to receive it it would
be a heavy cross to bear and Iwould have to bear it, but it

(23:25):
would work.
And it was weird it was, but itwas a feeling.
So I still have to this day.
Like I have feelings and I amnot clairvoyant, I have nothing
like that, like I cannot tellyou what's going to happen
tomorrow or anything like that.
But this was just a feeling,and I get those kinds of things
and it can just be.
Like you know, feeling can comeover me, like I'm cleaning the
house or something.
I feel like come over me aboutsomething, but it was like that,

(23:47):
it was just a feeling.
There was no words, it wastalking to me.
So I don't have schizophreniaor anything like that, but it
was just a feeling.
And then it was you know, godown to your office and see if
they're still there, and so theyonline.
Now it's 2010.
I've just spent the last sixyears and probably about
$750,000.
So my husband at the time who'smy ex-husband now?

(24:10):
Um, because of all this, so, uh, anyway, he was.
He was like I don't want tohear about diets, I don't want
to hear about protocols, I don'twant to hear about anything.
Yeah, I'm just done with thewhole thing.
He was done and, of course,it's my son.
I can never be done.
I just I can't.
So, um, anyway, so I started toresearch it, just on my own.
I get on my tablet.
I would just research it.

(24:30):
And chlorine dioxide opens aviral envelope destroying the
virus.
It it kills parasites.
It malaria destroys in theblood.
It's a gas, it goes everywhere.
It's not uh, it's not reducedto just the veins or the gut.
Um, it's antibacterial, it'santifungal, it neutralizes heavy
metals.
It takes down body inflammation.
It passes the blood brainbarrier.
I'm like, oh my God, this is ayou know, this is a cure for

(24:53):
autism.
This is a thing Right and so.
But I'm like he doesn't want totalk about any of this anymore
and I'm like we you know, wewere already, like you know,
done, like it was, like you knowwe were, we were done and
actually it was 2010.
That was like the halfway pointof our marriage.
It was like it was over.
We were just fighting all thetime and, you know, nobody
wanted to talk about anythingthat I want to talk about, as
far as you know, recovery.

(25:13):
So I kind of just keptresearching it on my own and
looking I had that, but I wasn'tgiving it.
I was researching it still andit was just perfect.
I mean still and it was justperfect.
I mean I was readingtestimonials and this kind of
stuff.
So I go to the clinic one dayin August.
So now I'm like you know, amonth and a half or so has
passed and Patrick is about toturn 10 on the 12th of August.
So just before that I'd go to myclinic and I had a hyperbaric

(25:36):
chamber, two and a half tonchamber.
Out of the chamber was poppingthe cousin of the best friend of
the father of my kids and hisgirlfriend.
They came out and they'reMexican and I'm like, hey, how
are you guys doing?
And they didn't give me thetraditional kiss on the cheek.
So Mexicans usually kiss on thecheek or a hug, and kiss on the
cheek.
They're like we're taking MMS.
I'm like, wow, because that'swhat they used to call it,

(25:58):
chloridax.
And I'm like, oh my God, I'vebeen investigating it for two
months and you know Memo won'thear it and I don't know what to
do.
And blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, oh, it'sgreat, you know we're feeling
great and all this kind of stuff.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, canyou come to the house?
They're like, yeah, sure, we'llcome over.
Like they were so stoked it wasinsane.
So they come, you knoweverything's great.

(26:28):
And like he's excited and hewas like sure, you know, we'll
take it.
If we don't die, we'll give itto Patrick.
So of course, we had very lowcriteria.
But they were talking about howthey're doing seminars in the
Dominican Republic, how this guy, jim Humble, founded it, you
know, curing malaria and the,you know the, the, the deep
jungle of of of South America,and how they're taking it and
how great they're feeling.
And so he's like okay, so we'llstart, you know.
So we started taking it rightaround the 10th birthday of
Patrick, and then um came thetime to start giving it to

(26:50):
Patrick, and Patrick was a 10year old who weighed a hundred
pounds, and I didn't know how togive it.
But I found an email for JimHumble and his church they call
it a church at the time.
Anyway, um, so I, I, I, I'mlike I have this clinic.
You know I'm writing this emailto Jim.
I'm like I have this clinic.
I do conferences around theworld, in Latin America.
Hey, can you like help me?
I don't know how to dose it forkids, cause everything on the

(27:11):
internet is for adults.
And then, um, I finally, acouple of days later, get an
email back from, from MarkGrennan, who he and Mark Grennan
and Jim Humboldt started.
Really it was just trying to getprotection, which doesn't work
anyway, because if they want you, they're coming for you, no
matter what you say you'rehiding behind.
Yeah, so they told, jim sent mean email and it said you know,
25 pound child one drop, eighttimes a day.

(27:32):
A 50 pound child two drops,eight times a day.
100 pound child three drops,eight times.
Okay, he's 100 pounds threedrops, eight times.
So this one day I start withthe three drops and you see the
drops, you're like come on,that's, that's not going to do
anything, you know like, ah,whatever.
So I'm, you know, three drops,three drops, three drops, three
drops.
By the afternoon, projectilevomiting happens and we're all
like whoa, that's crazy.
But now understanding detox.

(27:52):
So of course we just finishedsix years of detox.
So there had been vomiting,there had been, you know, rashes
, there had been sleeplessnights, there had been a lot of
diarrhea or you know whatever.
So it wasn't like out of thenorm for biomedical
interventions.
Or even, you know, chemo andradiation, I mean, it caused you
know that kind of stuff too.
So I mean any kind of anintervention against a toxin or
pathogen or an invading thing inthe body can cause that.

(28:14):
So wasn't really freaked out.
He just stopped it, gave him hisdinner and that night it was
around nine o'clock and I was inthe TV room with him.
We were alone and I'm reading abook and he's on his, his
touchscreen computer.
He's jumping up and down,flapping, and he turns to me at
nine o'clock at night, whichhe's never done.
He says I want bed.
And I was like Whoa.
And then I thought to myself,oh, I'm hearing things like that

(28:35):
.
That didn't happen, I'm justhearing things.
And so I just said okay, and hestarted up the stairs to his
bedroom and I was like okay, andthen I would get there and he
turns to me, he looks me in theeyes like and he's like I want
take bath.
So Patrick at that point couldask for like I want go walk or I
want car, like that point.
You know, with the diet andsome of the intervention like
hyperbarics helped.

(28:56):
But I mean, we were still likescreaming and we were still at
all kinds of insanity going on.
At that point I was like wow,that was amazing Because you
know, you know I went to bed.
It was like well, he's neverasked for that and actually,
like during Christmas or NewYear's or something, we had the
family over and you know wewould stay up late.
He would stay up until one ortwo in the morning.
I mean, he would just bestanding there flapping, jumping

(29:17):
in you know.
You know, moving histouchscreen computer around.
He was a big youtuber, uh.
So anyway, that was like youknow he could do that, but it
was nine o'clock at night, likea totally typical time to be
heading to bed.
And then, as I was, as I wasdrying him off after that bath I
didn't want to take bath and Ipeeled the towel, and I'll never
forget this.
I have a terrible memory, butsome of the things like, are

(29:38):
etched in my brain as I peel itback.
His eyes meet my eyes.
There was no veil of autism andhe was smiling with that spark
in his eye again and I was like,oh my gosh.
And everybody always told meyour son's a non-responder and
all that kind of stuff.
But from that day, which wassometime in August 2010, my son
has never lost that eye contactand we went, we went up from

(29:58):
there.
So then I opened my clinic backup after summer and people are
like, oh my gosh, what are youdoing with Patrick?
I'm like, well, there's thisdoctor who sells these drops and
here's this number.
You know, some people arebuying and they're like, okay,
what do I do with it?
Tell me what to do.
I'm like, ah, I'm like, how doI figure this out?
And so then I started to havethe idea of, like, breaking it
up into like a baby bottle.
You know, starting with onedrop, taking one ounce every 45

(30:21):
minutes to an hour, and then, bybreaking it up, you're getting
one 16th of a drop, because itonly lasts in your body for 45
minutes, so you just replace itevery 45 minutes and by December
of 2010, four kids recovered.
So, like, literally like fourmonths after Patrick started
taking his first drop, therewere four recoveries.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Explain recovery Like what give paint a picture, you
go from being autistic.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Where you have no eye contact, you don't speak, you
are having poor social conduct,poor behaviors, sleeplessness,
diarrhea, constipation, eatingdisorders, this kind of stuff to
totally typical, like any otherchild.
That is typical that doesn'thave a diagnosis of anything.
And I remember getting oneclose to Christmas from a mother
from Spain, because I mostlydid everything in Spanish at

(31:08):
that.
I did everything in Spanish atthat point and a mother from
Spain.
They'd actually come to dohyperbarics at my clinic and I
was doing the CD.
I'm like, okay, here, do thisstuff.
So they started doing boththings at one time.
So like two, three months later, this child, she was higher,
functioning by that point and,um, she lost her diagnosis.
In the in the title of the emailthe subject line was recovered

(31:28):
girl and so I, I started readingit and the psychologist, the
people that gave her herdiagnoses, were like, well, she
probably didn't have it to beginwith, you know, but she doesn't
have autism and she was a childthat was like really
anti-social, poor eye contact atthat point.
She had speech, but it wasn'tappropriate speech.
Uh, she only ate blended food,like she wouldn't.
She had, you know, big sensoryissues and stuff.

(31:50):
And within three months she wasrecovered and but again, she'd
been doing diet and they'd beendoing biomedical intervention,
so she was better, but shewasn't recovered.
And then, by the time februarycame, there were 38 kids
recovered, because then I, bythat time I had been six months
working, you know, but throughemails, with families mostly in
Spain and Latin America.

(32:12):
So I said I have to go to theDominican Republic and I have to
meet Jim, I have to give him ahug and I have to tell him thank
you, and actually my PowerPointpresentation is still online.
It's like, oh my God, it's soold, but it was the one that I
dedicated to Jim, and so, anyway, I went there.
It was February of 2011.
It's a Dominican Republic, Imean.

(32:33):
It was like, anyway, we livedthrough that one, thank God,
because it was like right on theHaiti border and got to meet
Jim and Mark and other peoplethat were taking a course
learning how to use chlorinedioxide at the time and of
course I just I said I'll, I'lldo a presentation on autism for
your people and, uh, spend theweek there and we'll go home.
So that was kind of it.
You know, I didn't can't tellyou.

(32:53):
I learned a whole lot of newstuff there, but I went there to
share with other people what I,what I was doing and how it was
working and that kind of, ofcourse, to say thank you to Jim
for having walked that walk fora really long time, because it's
a really difficult path.
You know, they, they, theytreat you either like you're
crazy or they treat you like avillain, and quite the opposite
is true.
And of course, like DrStephanie Seneff said in her you

(33:15):
know her glyphosate book, youknow, one of the things is that
chlorine dioxide will break downglyphosate into useful
molecules and then the body willget rid of it naturally, like
that, like it will use it up andget rid of it.
So they don't want us to knowthat.
I mean, and I don't want tosound like a conspiracy theorist
, but you know if you'reaffecting one in 31 kids and
you're not looking at the onething, that every child across

(33:37):
the world you know like everysingle country in the world has
the same exact vaccine policy.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
How's that possible?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Who controls the world?
It's not Putin, trump, macron,name them, it's not them.
Somebody controls all the stuffthat's happening because
otherwise we wouldn't have allmasked up and we wouldn't have
all been jabbed with the samestuff.
So at that point we have totake a look at what we're doing
and it's really important to meto try to end the epidemic.

(34:05):
And I've had, unfortunately,I've had so many attacks,
whether it was, you know,internet attacks, or my house
has been swatted by 15 police,but on that, on that warrant to
come into my house was the trollwho motivates all this kind of
stuff.
And you know, it makes youwonder, like, what's the
motivation?
Are you just a crazy psychopath, troll, online terrorist?

(34:28):
Or are you paid?
And you know this troll, forexample, has free housing from
their government and they got abunch of kids and they, you know
they tow the line of.
You know what the promotion ofthe flag is and all that kind of
stuff.
So you know, make sure you sayto yourself this is not organic,
because if you go online theydo that bleach queen and all

(34:48):
this kind of stuff.
But if you look for a damagedfamily, like a family like, oh
my kid, there's nothing likethat.
No child has ever been harmed.
Actually, no person's ever beenharmed by chlorine dioxide.
So, that said, you know it'sjust these attacks and slander
and defamation of characterwhich you know.
It's just these attacks andslander and defamation of
character which you know.
If you know, maybe if I was anattorney it would be a lot
easier.
If maybe I had a close friendor family member that was an

(35:09):
attorney, it might be verydifferent.
But of course, you knowattorneys are extremely
expensive, especially like onthe international front, and you
know getting things doneinternationally is very, very
difficult.
But it is definitely defamationof character and it's it's
illegal.
What's happened to me?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
defamation of character and it's.
It's illegal.
What's happened to me, man?
No kidding.
Well, it's fascinating that youhad that.
I'll just call it premonitionor that sense of you're about to
find something that really willhelp your son and you're going
to take a lot of flack for itwhen you learn about it and use
it and yeah to to be able togrow to as much as you did with
that big of a following onFacebook or that many people

(35:44):
being helped 5,000 recoveredkids, 100,000 people that are
reversing this problem.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
10 languages, 60 moderators.
It was 13 languages and therewere 60 moderators and it was
like Russian and Portuguese andSpanish and English, arabic.
I'm trying to think what otherlanguages there were, but we had
so many languages, it wasunbelievable.
Italian, because my bookstranslate in Italian, arabic.
I'm trying to think what otherlanguages there were, but we had
so many languages.
It was, it was unbelievable.
I'm leaving Italian, so mybooks translated in Italian.
Turkish, my books translatedinto Turkish and I told you
there's probably one in Chinese,because my book, I know was you

(36:14):
know, was you know, pirated andsomebody told me that it was
translated into into Chinese andI was like, oh, please, please,
send me just to see what itlooks like.
It'd be so cool.
But they never sent me the PDFof it, so I never got to see it.
But I I'm sure that therethere's a group Cause I've seen
somebody sent me something aboutit, but I lost all my groups
due to this troll.
You know, they just startedsaying that they're harming kids
and bleach and all that kind ofstuff.
So my groups came down, butthere's still, like right now,

(36:36):
there's other people that canhave.
I put up a teddy bear, you know, with a different face or
something like that.
Just that name is blockedimmediately.
So yeah, it's.
It's pretty, pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, when you've you lived through what worse
version of the censorship?
And so I guess I wanted you totell that part of the story,
just because I wanted people tohave some context for what they
might find on the internet asthey try to research autism or,
at this point, any health topicis, as you know, google and the
organic search is basically deadand they're just marketing

(37:11):
appendages of the medical cartelrather than search engine.
So is there anywhere or any waythat you would tell people if
they want to do research orwhere to go to find this kind of
support that you used to beable to offer?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Telegram.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Telegram.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'm in Telegram Carrie Rivera 2025.
So we just keep updating thelast number and that's where my
groups are.
But you know, these are justhit pieces they're doing like
Vice Magazine or Guardian orIndependent or any of these.
They're just hit pieces thatthey're doing and they're
regurgitating the informationthat's being delivered to them
by the same, you know, troll andI don't know.
I kind of believe that thisperson is a psychopath because

(37:46):
they, you know, they're on me,they're on Scientology, they're
on different people and they gothat way.
So that's it's unpleasant andit's unfortunate because
children are losing their livesand there's very few resources
for parents to actually gettheir children better or
recovered.
So it's really unfortunate.
Yeah, they made sure that I lostmy Facebook.

(38:07):
They tried to take my Instagramagain the other day, which my
Instagram is so generic.
It's just like oh, carnivorediet, low glutamate diet.
You know I've got the dietstuff on there, so I don't
really have anything, and thenfrom there, you know, we can
send people to Telegram andthings like that.
I have no Facebook.
They don't allow my name onFacebook and they froze my
accounts.
I'm sure people are likeprivate messaging me and I'm not
answering back, but this I lostmy bank account at chase and

(38:28):
you know, kind of like thestandard eBay is gone, amazon's
gone, book came down, um, thatkind of stuff.
So you know it gets old, but atthe same time, when you're over
the target, I think that that'sone of the most important
things to know that you're overthe target.
And when you're watching thechildren getting their lives
back, it's like you know there'salways going to be dark when
there's light, yeah.
And then, for example, I had myhouse raided in Germany in 2021.

(38:52):
And on the search warrant wasthe troll's name saying that I
harmed two children in Germany.
I never worked with the Germanfamily.
My book is in German.
There's no reason to work withthe German family.
If my book is in German.
The heater's really hot, soanyway.
So I knew that nothing happened,but they still raided the house
and of course, that became likeoh, had her house raided in
Germany?
What they failed to say two anda half years later, the

(39:15):
investigation phase that neverbecame a case because they
couldn't find enough evidencethat I did any wrongdoing.
They let the investigation gobecause they couldn't do
anything.
Yes, it cost me money.
Yes, it did, but guess what?
I was vindicated because Ididn't do anything wrong.
There was no child harm, therewas no complaint by a family
against me, just some troll fromanother country saying, oh,

(39:35):
this person is bad.
All they do is they slander you, they defame you.
So now I look like this badperson because I had my house
swatted.
Really, what that was all aboutthat was just, you know,
someone like sending them to meand eventually they got tired of
listening to like, ok, let's gosee what's going on over at
this house, and they took all ofmy computers, all of my cell
phones, all that kind of stuff.

(39:55):
Ok, so so you, you, you weresuccessful in having my life
interrupted.
Yeah, or a crime without avictim.
Exactly, but it had everythingto do with just you know, just
trying to create something likelook, this person's house was
raided.
They must be really bad, kindof like guilty by association.
But what's failed to mention?
Two and a half years later theGerman government came back and

(40:16):
said sorry, it's over.
You know you didn't do anythingwrong.
We find no wrong doing Case.
That case investigation closed.
It was never a case.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
They just never, two and a half years, couldn't find
anything wrong.
Well, guess what?
Probably nothing was wrong.
Your troll is not broadcastingyour vindication, I'm confident
Of course not, of course not.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
And that's why Vice Magazine, if you look for me in
Google, which is Google is not asearch engine, people.
I mean it used to be.
You know, maybe 15 years ago itwas a search engine.
It is no longer a search engine.
You have to go to Brave orStartpage or something else if
you want to actually findinformation about something
important, or you know that.
And even AI.
Now I know somebody put in likechat, GPT or AI, one of those
kind of things they put inchlorine dioxide or something,

(40:58):
and it said like it came up likea dangerous bleach or something
ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, yeah, friends, that's what you will find if you
search the Internet, whichimplies so many other things
that who's controlling search,who's controlling agendas, and
heaven forbid we have somethingas inexpensive to your point
Like this can't work becauseit's not expensive, right, and
sure enough it does for so manythings, and that's part of why
you'd say you're over the target, because this has the potential

(41:24):
to do away with the need for somany other interventions,
because we're actually gettingto the root cause of what
happened.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Exactly.
And then, you know, after COVIDand Andreas Kalkar made a big
push he's another chlorinedioxide person, a big push in
Bolivia actually adoptedchlorine dioxide.
He went there, gave apresentation about what it was.
During COVID, the governmentstarted giving it away free on
the streets to the people, Likethey'd just take bottles already
prepared and they would drinkthem.

(41:52):
And they were getting people,you know, off of respirators,
they were getting them out oftheir deathbeds, and so the
government created a law statingthat they can use chlorine
dioxide for the treatment ofCOVID.
And then, of course, all thepressure from all the other
countries in South America andthey shut that law down and then
it was back to being bad.
But of course, they, they, theymanaged to, you know heal, you

(42:15):
know tens of thousands, ahundred thousand, and well, they
gave away two Olympic sizeswimming pools of it.
So I don't know how many, youknow, cause I'm one of my
friends, she's a doctor inBolivia and she's like we gave,
you know, they would just go tothe street.
The doctors would go to thestreet, they would keep taking
it, they would go to the streetand they would just give these
bottles of chlorine dioxide away.
Um, so that's how peoplestarted to hear about it.
So now we're in 2025, there's ahuge movement.

(42:37):
And Jim Humble, who started thewhole thing, he said to me one
day he used to live with me andmy family in Mexico in 2012.
And he said to me they hate youmore than they hate me because
you work with children andthat's very true.
Like, as an adult, you can takewhatever you want.
You can take a heroin, you cantake a fentanyl, you can take
meth, whatever you want to take,Right, and that's your problem.
But when it comes to children,that's when people get like, you

(43:00):
know, feisty.
Well, you know, when ourchildren are are harmed and we
have to help them to heal, wehave to look for options,
because that that uh, mainstreammedicine caused the problem.
They don't have the treatmentto recover the person.
All they do is have drugs thatmask the symptoms of autism.
So that's why healing thesymptoms known as autism came to

(43:23):
be my first book, and now mysecond book is just basically CD
protocol, and CD protocol is amuch thinner version of the book
, and so people can just likeget in there, get started.
And it's really cool too,because when they get the book.
The people are like, oh, I'vealready started the diet and
we're on drop number this andhe's already doing well, and
then.
And then I'm like, oh, it's socool, you know, because you know

(43:43):
you can do it from home, youdon't have to come to see me.
It's like I'll support you wehave support groups, whatever
but you know you're going to doit at home anyway.
That's why, when I had theclinic towards the end, I had a
biomedical clinic with an IVnurse and I had a doctor of
hyperbarics there andpsychologists doing ABA therapy
and stuff like that.
I closed the clinic while I hadsome death threats and you know

(44:05):
it was like not a really goodidea to just be a sitting duck.
But besides that, by then I wasalready working with chlorine
dioxide and there's just no need.
You know you're going to do itat home or you're not going to
do it at home, so there's noneed for you to come to me for
me to help you do something thatyou're going to have to go home
and do anyway.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, what a story.
You've found the, I guess, theroot what I love about
interacting with you you work ata root cause level.
Like what we do mostly foradults you're doing for kids.
You're saying there's thisdiseased tree, there's
something's poisoning thisperson and that person, like if
you have crops you're growingand they're not growing well,

(44:48):
they're either poisoned orthere's not enough in the soil
to get them well, and it'sreally just fixing those two
things.
And you found a potentdetoxification agent to
Stephanie Seneff's point thatwill actually disassemble
glyphosate, which is a toxinnone of us can get away from,
and you can heal the gut andthen you can heal them.
It's just remarkably simpleonce you get the foundation of
how to heal the body.
So let's transition a littlebit to the work you're doing
today.
So last time you and I talkedyou mentioned an ATEC score and

(45:10):
just kind of I want people topicture what this journey's like
.
I heard you say in a differentinterview that treating or
healing autism is a lot of work.
So dial us in on what you meanby that.
And if there's a parent with anautistic kid listening and
they're thinking, oh my gosh,what am I signing up for?
Help them picture this journeya little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Right.
Well, there's a lot of stuffthat you have to do, and so my
journey, one of the people in myjourney, like I said, there's
kind of earth angels or peoplethat came to me at the right
time.
So when I was in, I was in SanDiego in 20, 2006, january of
2006, uh, doing hyperbarics withmy son and the owner of the
clinic.
His name was Bob Sands.
He's since passed away and heactually wrote a chapter of my

(45:49):
first book and, um, so I wastelling him one day I'm like, oh
, cause I was in San Diego forthose 20 days doing hyperbarics,
and I said, oh, you know, backin the day I probably would have
wanted to meet, like MickJagger or, you know, the guys
from ACDC or something like that.
But now I really would love tomeet Dr Bernard Rimland, who
started all of the biomedicalstuff and he wrote the first

(46:09):
book in 1964 called infantileautism, where he said it's not
the refrigerator mother, there'ssomething.
Something, there's sometoxicity, there's something
wrong, because my wife we havethree children and she's a great
mother to all three, so it'snot that she was cold to to to
our son we have three childrenand she's a great mother to all
three.
So it's not that she was coldto our son and he was the
executive producer on Rain man,dr Bernard Rimland.
So I'm like he's just for me,like you know everything.

(46:31):
And what he did I mean heactually worked, he was looking
for the answer oh my gosh, if hewould have known about chlorine
dioxide he would have had likeanother 10 years on his life,
just like so excited, so excited.
But anyway, unfortunately thegood ones, the good ones go when
you know, maybe sometimes it'snot the right time, I don't know
what anyway.
So and they're doinghyperbarics and I tell Bob that
and he's like Bernie, you wantto meet Bernie?

(46:52):
Bernie's a good friend of mine,dr Bernard Rimland, and I'm
like, oh my gosh, really.
So he comes to, he comes towork and he was a, he was a
Aussie, he was a spicy Aussieand older guy and but he was a
contemporary of Dr Rimland.
And the office for AutismResearch Institute which Dr
Rimland started in 1970 wasclose by, it was on Adam it's
still on Adam Street and so itwasn't too far away from where

(47:14):
Bob's clinic was for hyperbarics.
And so he comes into the officeone day and he said, and I'm
doing chamber morning and night,morning and night.
And he says on wednesday,tomorrow, he's like we're going
for lunch with bernie and gloria, dr, mrs rimland, I'm like, oh
my, you know, like I was soexcited, like you're getting me.

(47:34):
And I'm like, oh my god, whatam I just?
I'm my, um, uh, the father, mykids, his best friend had let me
his house in his car and theyhad several houses and several
cars, but he would let me thatwhile I was there.
And so I'm, do you think youcould lend me a maid?
So the maid has made watch mykids while I went for lunch with
Dr Rillin and Mrs Rimland and,of course, bob.
So we're driving in his Jaguarand he's got this E-type Jag and

(47:56):
he's just a colorful characterand I'm like, I'm like Bob, what
am I going to say?
And there's a picture of me onthe internet.
I'm like I'm an all black, I'min pantyhose, it's like Southern
California.
I look so stupid.
But I was so excited I didn'teven know what to put on.
So I went to like Marshall'sand bought a you know name
brands for less about a suit andhose and shoes.
So I'm in the car with Bob.
I'm like I don't know comesyou're going to say what can I
do for dan, which is defeatautism?

Speaker 1 (48:26):
now, it's no longer because?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
because the dan divers networks, you know got
funky with them so they had tochange it.
But and so okay, so we'rehaving lunch and we're talking,
and he's talking about, you know, detox patches and and oxygen,
you know, and all that kind ofstuff, because dr rimland was
just his focus in life.
He was 79 time.
His focus in life was to findthe answers to recover the kids,
because he knew that theyweren't.

(48:48):
They weren't coming like this,they were getting him.
So he knew that there wassolutions and by that time there
were still a lot of doctorsthat were, you know, like in
1970s when he opened the autismresearch institute people from
all over the world and he hadwritten that book.
You know, early, um early, hehad written the book.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Infantile.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Autism.
So all these emails, all theseletters, physical letters, were
coming to him, people fromSweden saying, oh, I'm giving my
kid fish oil and they're doinggreat Gluten-free diet, they're
doing great Magnesium and B6,they're doing great.
So he started to compileeverything and then he started
to reach out.
He was a naval psychiatrist, sohe was a an MD, and so he

(49:26):
started to reach out to otherother doctors that would be
interested in investigating,like what's different about our
kids.
You know how you know testingand all that kind of stuff.
So anyway, you know he was, hewas all about whatever could
work and that was part of theconversation, you know, whatever
was working at the time andwhatever new stuff might help,
like the hyperbarics that Bobwas doing.
And so then came my time and Isaid you know how can I help?

(49:47):
And he said you can translatethe protocol and you can take it
to Latin America.
And I was like I was on thefloor at that time.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I'm like moi, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
So so I'm like, okay, so we go back to his office and
he's giving me documents, he'sinviting me to take physician
training courses with them andall this kind of stuff, because
I had the clinic already butnobody knew in Latin America
what to do.
So I went to the courses, Iwent to the trainings, I would
travel and learn all this kindof stuff.

(50:17):
And during that time he hadcancer at that time.
So he was doing hyperbaricswith Bob, for his prostate
Cancer is getting chemo andradiation, so he said, and by
the end of November he passedaway from the treatments and
everything.
But before he passed away hewas on his deathbed and I gave
the translation of the damnprotocol to him.

(50:39):
So he, when he did pass away,he wrote me a nice letter and
you know, you know all the stuffthat I was doing biomedically
in Latin America and it was, itwas very nice, and he went with
his heart to his grave, you know, knowing that we were also
taking his message into LatinAmerica and into Spanish, you
know.
So that was, that was, you know,kind of the beginning of that.
But he was, um, yeah, for methat was a really big turning

(51:00):
point because then I was likeLatin America.
You know I'm thinking likeMexico, or even the city I live
in or the state I live in orsomething, but it was taking it
to Latin America.
And now I've worked withfamilies in 81 countries.
So not only do we take it toLatin America, we took it to
every continent on the globe andthere are children recovered

(51:20):
all around the world, which isjust a huge blessing to know
that it is.
You know, if there's anepidemic, we know that it is not
just something that is comingorganically into the lives of
these children.
Something is happening.
Why didn't it exist before1940s, when they started with
these type of you know, forestryprograms where they're dumping
a bunch of toxins and thingslike that into the waters and

(51:43):
into the ground?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, well, I have some of his.
You're starstruck for Bernie.
I feel that way, just beingable to talk to you because
you've lived this so much andseen so many of these things and
it's just like the way any ofus would want to go is how he
went, like you're doingmeaningful work, that you're
doing your best to contributeand knowing that you're going to
turn it over to capable handswhen you're done with it.
And in many ways, his legacylives through you.

(52:07):
So well done and keep it up.
So, all right, tell us a littlebit about this ATEC score and
how you've used that as a toolto help families just kind of
get their head around what thisprocess of healing is like.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Well, Dr Rimling created the ATEC score.
Atec stands for AutismTreatment Evaluation Checklist.
It's free, Anybody can use it,so you can go to autismorg.
At the top right corner it saysATEC, Click on it and then it
says take the ATEC now.
It's in 26 different languagesand I always recommend people do
it in their own mother tongue,Because even I speak fluent

(52:40):
Spanish when I try to do it inSpanish, because there's a lot
of double negatives and stufflike my child does this
sometimes, rarely, never, youknow or doesn't do this or
anyway.
So what it does is it gives theparents a tool.
It's kind of like going on adiet.
You know you don't get on thescale, you don't know how much
you weigh, so you don't know howmuch you've lost.
Well, autism treatmentevaluation checklist.

(53:00):
A zero ATEC means fullyrecovered neurotypical, like
every other child who doesn'thave a diagnosis of any kind,
just typical going about theirlives.
So typically when you go in todo the ATEC, you're going to
find like, for example, theyhave the speech part, you know,
speaks one word, two words, putswords together, conversational,
not conversational.
Then the next one is likebehaviorals, you know, hits

(53:21):
themselves, whatever.
Then the other one is liketoileting and self-care.
There's five different partsand you know one of them is like
social and this kind of thing.
So it's really beautifulbecause I have the families do
it every 90 days.
We do it before we start andthen we do it every 90 days,
Like even before we start thediet.
We do it and it's important tomeasure whatever protocol you're

(53:43):
doing.
If you're not doing money, it'sfree for anybody and you can go
there right now and just do it.
You know, just do it foryourself.
You know, even like that, but azero, a tech is, you know,
perfectly healthy, typicalperson, there's no issues
whatsoever.
And I've seen thousands ofchildren go from, you know, like
headbanging, screaming, biting,yelling, nonverbal, to a zero

(54:03):
ATEC where they take no CD, theytake no diet, they do nothing
of the protocol anymore.
And I have some of my parentsone of my moms she lives in
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, where Ilived all the time and her son.
He just graduated from highschool and he has the best
university in Latin Americaoffering him scholarships.

(54:24):
Like he's just fine, he's justfine, I had, I, uh had his.
I celebrated his birthday withhim and his mom and other
friends of their family twoyears ago and I sat across from
him and it was like I didn't cry, it was so powerful, it was so
wonderful just to watch thishuman being and he's, he's
lovely, Like he's not even youknow, I mean, he's just lovely,

(54:46):
he's a, he's a nice guy.
And his mom's like, oh, this isCarrie, and she recovered Matias
, and blah, blah, blah.
And she's going on and on andI'm like maybe you shouldn't say
that, Maybe like Matias doesn'twant people to hear that.
And Matias is like, yeah, mom,you know she's.

(55:08):
And I was like, oh, my God,this kid, he's just, you know,
he's not even embarrassed oranything like that.
No, he's fine, he's like, yeah,I was like that, you know.
And he remembers when hecouldn't, couldn't converse
Cause he said he, he, he, he hadin his mind what he was trying
to say but it wasn't coming outand then he would, he would
tantrum and this kind of stuff.
So, um, and she was a single mom.
So people think, oh, you haveto be rich to do it or you have
to be.
She was a single mom who workedand she made very little money

(55:28):
and with my clinic I tried tooffset the cost of supplements
and things like that, Because Idid have friends who donated to
my clinic Mostly they were myfriends that made donations.
They'd come to Mexico andthey'd be like, oh my God,
you're so crazy, here's moneyfor your kids, you know.
But come to Mexico and they'dbe like, oh my God, you're so
crazy, here's money for yourkids, you know.

(55:49):
Um, but they saw what washappening.
I mean, it was a real clinicand we're really helping people,
and so that was verymotivational.
And I remember I had one girl,for example.
She came into the hyperbaricsbecause one of my friends
donated money for the oxygen and, um, she was a child who had
had uh seizures and she washaving regular, regular seizures
from the time she was aroundtwo until she did finished her
hyperbarics and she went out ofthe chamber not having any more

(56:10):
seizures whatsoever.
So, like there's, there's evencase like that child's.
I've talked to the mother aboutfour or five years ago and
she's probably 20 now.
She's not recovered, but shehas no epilepsy whatsoever and
she lives a peaceful life andshe's a peaceful child, adult
now.
And so, you know, there's thefully recovered where, like I
said, I like Matthias or some ofthe other kids that are, you

(56:30):
know, fully recovered and theygot their lives back.
And then there's some otherkids are just leaving a lot
better because they've gonethrough these treatment
modalities.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah Well, give your, give the listener a sense of
where your son was, what was hisscore and what did you get it
down to?
How was he doing?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, well, my son, my son is not like people say
well, you didn't recover yourson.
My son was like 147 ATEC,meaning he was like drooling,
nonverbal, not sleeping,diarrhea, screaming, yelling.
Like we went from, like youknow he would walk towards
traffic, like there was just youknow, or yeah, I mean you know
he had to be always accompanied.

(57:04):
Or one time he even, like, lethimself out of the house because
he wanted to go get chips atthe corner store.
I mean like this kind of stuffwas actually, yeah, crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Danger to himself, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Very dangerous.
So we went from like somethingso incredibly severe to a guy
who can you know order what hewants, take his you know care of
his bathrooming and showeringand dressing and all those kinds
of things, um and uh, actuallyis able to to write in three
languages, um, so he's yeah, solike that's really amazing stuff

(57:34):
and of course, the sleep isperfect, the bowels are perfect,
um, the eye contact is perfect.
So there's a lot of stuff that'sreally really good and I
believe I believe in God and Ido also believe that stuff
that's really really good and Ibelieve in God and I do also
believe that if my son had fullyrecovered, like ATEC zero, he's
now finishing his PhD orwhatever, and he got a
girlfriend or boyfriend orwhatever, I don't care.
So whatever happened with him,then I would be not interested,

(58:00):
I would be done, and there's nota lot of people that would keep
doing this and of course,nobody knows and doesn't have
the experience.
So I was trained in all thosebiomedical interventions because
Dr Rimland gave me thatblessing and he always said you
know, whatever she wants, shecan take all the courses she
wants.
So I was trained, like thephysicians, to treat.
And so I understand profoundlythe biomedical part of it.
And then I went back to schoolfor homeopathy and then, of

(58:23):
course, I worked basically innaturopathy.
I mean, I work with supplementsand you know chlorine dioxide.
And diet.
Like you know, I remember whenPatrick was young, like I told
you about potato diet.
Well, it took me a long time tofigure it out and by 2020, I
realized that there's glutamate,and this comes from the work of
Dr Russell Blaylock.
He's a retired neurosurgeon outof Texas, but his book was

(58:45):
written in 1997, calledExcitotoxins A Taste that Kills.
So in 2020, I had a little timeon my hands and so I started to
reread one of his books.
I'm like, oh my gosh, thereason the keto, the adapted
keto diet for autism, is notworking because the ketogenic
foods like broccoli, cauliflower, almonds and berries are high
in glutamate, and glutamate, ifyou have a leaky gut, will get

(59:06):
into the brain, causeexcitotoxins and destroy brain
neurons.
So then I was like, oh my gosh,that's why these kids are not.
They're having these really lowcarbohydrate diets, but they're
eating a lot of those foods youknow almond flour, almond
butter, almond milk.
You know like, oh my gosh.
So then I really, you know like, oh my gosh.
So then I really, you know, dida deep dive into which foods

(59:27):
were high in glutamate and not.
Like I said, I saw most ofthose keto ones that the kids
were eating to be high inglutamate.
So then I wrote a book calledlow glutamate diet.
It's all based on the work ofrussell blaylock, but he doesn't
have a diet again.
That was like 20 years ago,whatever 30 years at 97.
So, okay, like 30 years ago.
Uh, whatever 30 years at 97.
So okay, like 30 years ago, uh.
So he didn't have a diet, hewas just stating how bad

(59:47):
glutamate is.
And I remember when I read thebook the first time, I kind of I
mean, I kind of skimmed,skimmed through it.
It was like MSG is bad.
Well, msg is bad, but naturallyoccurring glutamate in, like
tomatoes and onions and berriesand almonds and stuff like that.
So, but I didn't focus on thatCause I was like, well, keto is
good, or um, specificcarbohydrates good, or like

(01:00:08):
these kind of like labeled dietswere good, but you have to look
at each food and see what theproperties are, like oxalate,
high oxalate foods are bad andmost of the high oxalate foods
are also high glutamate foods.
So I pulled all those out andthe kids started getting a lot
better.
I was like, wow, this is great.
So that's how I ended upwriting the book on low
glutamate.
And then, during that process, Iread a book and I think it was

(01:00:30):
2021, I believe 2021,.
I read a book by Dr Sean Bakercalled the Carnivore Diet and
you know he lives the carnivorelifestyle and all that kind of
stuff and you know nobody wasreally talking about it, but you
know he was just kind ofappearing on, you know, on the,
the, the health part, right, notnot autism.
So I read his book and I'm likeI'm going to do that.
So the 1st of January 2022, Istarted carnivore and my gosh,

(01:00:54):
my guts felt great, I had goodenergy.
And then my assistant says hey,carrie, and one of these groups
is a mom and her daughter isthis recovered child named
Macarena and her daughter is uh,forget the name of the daughter
off the top of my head anywayso Mariana.
So Mariana is now recovered andher mom did your protocol with
carnivore diet and there's otherfamilies from that same Latin
American country that would liketo start the diet.

(01:01:16):
I said, okay, open the telegramgroup, just put all these you
know these 38 families orwhatever into it.
And you know they're doing myprotocol and they're going to do
carnivore and you and I aregoing to watch them.
We're gonna do the ATEC scorewhen they start and we're going
to do the ATEC score at threemonths.
By three months, 10% had fullyrecovered Wow.
And one of the kids who was notfully recovered had been severe,

(01:01:39):
like I'd been working with themom.
He was ATEC was 120.
So he was a screaming,nonverbal, not compliant,
headbanging panda's child withautism.
His ATEC went from 120 to 50.
He started to speak.
He stopped all the aggressivebehavior.
He slept through the night.

(01:01:59):
He was quiet.
I remember the next time I dida consultation with her he was
just quiet.
It used to be like between thescreams we would be talking.
The carnivore diet is thetruest form of elimination diet,
so it's just perfect.
And, of course, beef is a meatthat nobody nobody, unless

(01:02:25):
somebody got that lime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Tick right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Otherwise, nobody has anallergy to beef, so it's one of
those, like you're, taking downall the allergens.
It's an anti-inflammatory, it'sso good for the gut and, of
course, vegetarians.
I've had people like the diet.
But you know, when you thinkback about human history, what
were we doing two, three millionyears ago?
We were, like you know, chasingafter mammoths and eating those

(01:02:48):
and you know, sometimes we hadberries to pick off the ground
or something like that.
But we were definitely not,like you know, munching back
kale and spinach or any of thesekind of shrub type plants, and
we're not doing that.
The animals were eating themand we were eating the animals.
So we do come from a carnivorebackground.
And then, if you get intocarnivore, there was the very
first documentary ever written,ever done was called Nanook of

(01:03:10):
the North.
It was done in the 1920s.
So the Stephenson I forget hisfirst name went to Baffin to
watch the Inuit.
They're a group of Eskimos thatlive up there and they've never
eaten a fruit, a vegetable, agrain in their life.
They only eat fatty meats likewalrus or seal or salmon or

(01:03:32):
polar bear or something likethat.
That's their whole diet.
They had a rough life butanyway, he did document them and
they were extremely healthy.
Their bones were strong, theirteeth were strong, they were
strong and they would give, likethe loins, like the filet
mignon that were like, oh,that's so good.
They would give that to the dog, to their pack, because dogs
can't do fat.

(01:03:54):
And humans need fat for theirbodies to work properly and our
brains to work properly.
It's really the opposite ofwhat they tell us.
And all this cholesterol stufflike you have high cholesterol
and then they put these peopleon these you know lowering
cholesterol medications whichthey never stopped working, and
of course that affects theirbrain, it affects their prostate
.
There's a whole lot of badstuff happening with that kind
of thing and of course you know,the Alzheimer's is high and

(01:04:15):
dementia is high because ofthose drugs.
So, anyway, so they in 1920sthey had already seen that, and
in the 1920s they were already.
You know, another hospital wasalready looking at the benefits
of a ketogenic diet, like withzero carbohydrates, which is
basically what carnivore diet is.
It's a perfect keto at zerocarbs, and they were getting rid
of epilepsy, they werereversing illnesses like the big

(01:04:37):
C and all these other things,just by, you know, going zero
carbohydrate and you can now, ofcourse, it's a big thing, but
so I see families with kids withautism that go carnivore.
There's a lot of kids that likemeat or, you know, bacon.
That's healthy, it doesn't havenitrates or something like that
, and it's amazing how fast theATEC points drop.
It's a matter of how.
It's amazing how the symptomsof autism begin to disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Just with diet.
Let me button up something ondiet.
Have you ever seen a vegetarianor vegan diet work for an
autistic kid?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I've never.
I've never.
I mean they get better.
Okay, so get better.
Like my kid was on potatoes,which is vegetarian and vegan.
He got better, but eventually,you know, we did other dietary
interventions that were better,but I mean, it's all he ate that
wasn't gluten or casein, sowhat are you going to?

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
do Give him something right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
He didn't eat chicken , he didn't eat fish, he didn't
eat beef, he didn't eat lamb, hedidn't eat anything.
He just ate, like you knowcarbs, you know gluten and
casein and potatoes, Right on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Okay well, like me, I heard you mention in a
different interview part of yourphilosophy is finding enough
things that work together anddoing them like they have made
some similar benefit, but theystart to overlap and create a
synergy that is more than justany one thing.
So paint kind of a holisticpicture, because I've got a list

(01:05:54):
of things like, whether it'sdetoxing your home or homeopathy
, you're working on heavy metals, parasites.
You know whether it's detoxingyour home or homeopathy, you're
working on heavy metals,parasites, gut cleansing, enemas
.
There's so many differentthings people can do.
So give us kind of yourholistic toolkit, if you will,
of what you really.
Obviously it's got to bepersonalized, but help the
listener picture more of whatthis journey might be like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Right?
Well, diet is.
You know, the most importantthing you're ever going to do is
going to be the diet.
And then the chlorine dioxide,because it destroys pathogens
and it reduces inflammation andenemas.
So I got really attacked aboutenemas.
Now we used to do enemas before, like 1972 and Miralax and all
these other things came up, butin 2011, families that I was
working with in Spain, theperson who was their provider of

(01:06:34):
chlorine dioxide was tellingthem to do enemas, and so the
parents were like, in thislittle group I don't know, I
think it was a WhatsApp, I don'tremember and the kids were
doing really well with theenemas, like they were the ones
that were like almost you know atech nine, you know they were
doing amazing.
And then this one dad sent methis video and it was from you
know the little potty chair andthese long strandy things that

(01:06:56):
were like coming down.
He's like, look, look, look.
Long strandy things that werelike coming down.
He's like, look, look, look,look, look with, like you know,
plastic fork, like showing me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, that mustbe candida.
And so Jim Humble says you needto meet my friend, andreas
Kalker.
So Andreas and I had a Skypemeeting.
He was living in Spain, I wasliving in Mexico and he said,
well, that stuff that you'reseeing coming out of those
enemas are parasites.
And I'm like nobody in autismever spoke of parasites and

(01:07:19):
there was not a parasite on thehorizon, like we absolutely
started that fire.
And so, anyway, I was like, wow, parasites it's.
Don't worry, my wife and I areworking on a protocol because
she has parasites and you know,there's these certain things
that we need.
I'm like, okay, I'm waiting,you know.
So then by the early 2012, itstarted the parasite protocols.
But with the enemas, parasiteswere coming out and, of course,

(01:07:41):
when you would do an enema, whenyou have the parasites in you,
the body is absorbing all thattoxicity and they're very
neurotoxic.
So there's like all thesebehaviors that are coming along
with it.
You do the enema, you rinsethem out and happy child is back
and more chatty and better eyecontact and sleeping, great, and

(01:08:01):
so it was helping the body torid itself of the parents.
They're very sticky, so theystick inside the intestines,
they, they, they sometimes willstay behind.
Or the biofilm chlorine docswill dissolve biofilm If you do
enemas, because if you drink itit doesn't go like mouth to anus
.
It's not a tsunami, it's a gas,so it gets absorbed into the
body.
So you know that last part ofthe intestine it's not really
having the benefits of, you know, the upper part of the body
might be having, or the rest ofthe intestine.

(01:08:22):
So that was you know.
Hence the enemas and um, atfirst everything was fine and
then the trolls showed up around14 or 15.
And again, you know, we hadlike a great, like four year run
of just having recoveries andrecoveries and, you know, the
rest of the world finding outabout this.
So that was you know.
And of course there's, you know, good and bad, because still
where there's bad press at leastis press.
So there's been a lot of, youknow, hit pieces on me, but

(01:08:44):
that's also brought people intothe movement.
And, like I said, you know,since COVID I mean, there's just
massive groups on Telegram.
There's like one group of ahundred thousand, it's called're
.
Just you know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
But everything is, you know, every illness, as you
know.
I mean they're, they're allkind of having the same root.
You know like we're talking.
You know Dr Holda Clark.
She wrote books many, manyyears ago, like one was called a
cure for cancer, one was calleda cure for diabetes, they were
all a cure for probably beforeyou could actually say that, and
everything was parasite.
I mean, the book inside was thesame but the outside of the

(01:09:21):
book was, you know, cure forwhatever it was, and it was all
about parasites.
But so she had talked aboutthat years prior, but Andreas
had identified it and thenstarted that protocol.
And then we just started doinghis protocol for parasites,
which was Mabendazole,stonebreaker and Castor Oil,
which happens to get theparasites out of the gut.
So now of course ivermectin isvery popular.
People are like why don't youuse ivermectin?

(01:09:42):
Because chlorine dioxide is agas and it gets the ones in the
blood.
It's anti-malarial, so we don'tneed anything to go systemic.
But in the gutter where youhave these big suckers, and so
the mabendazole is great staysmouth to anus.
It doesn't go through the liver.
So that's been a great one.
And of course it's, you know,anti-tumoral.
So that's why nobody wants toknow about Mabenzol.

(01:10:02):
That's why in the States andCanada you can't get it.
But go to third world country.
You can pick it up over the,you know, just at the pharmacy,
like an aspirin, or you canorder it online from India.
They'll send it to anywhere.
So that was that was kind ofthis whole kind of a change, you
know.
And again, just another reasonto attack me.
But it's been amazing.
The enemas are fantastic and Ihave families that you know have

(01:10:23):
older kids 19, 20, 26, whateverand they do enemas.
You know they, because peopleused to do enemas.
It was like purges.
Like you know, the grandmotherused to give the kids castor oil
.
They used to give them, uh, codliver oil or you know what was
that other one that was reallypopular, mineral oil, I think it
was called.
It was so disgusting.
Our parents used to give thatto us.

(01:10:44):
You know that kind of thing.
So, but but that was, you know,we used to do purges and and of
course, you know, I know myex-mother-in-law, because her
mother was from the ranch and inmexico and and she used to
purge her kids, I don't know afew times a year.
She's's like, oh, I should getall this stuff and you know
whatever, but you know thatwould get rid of the parasites.
And, of course, now we havesomething simple you take a
tablet of Mabendazole and presto, change-o, everything's great.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Yeah, man, that's such simple things.
You've got changing how you eat.
Just take out toxic food, youadd chlorine dioxide and let it
do its thing.
You do some enemas, and sothose are.
We got three major levers there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Are there any other things that you really fall back
on as like this tends to nudgeand kick it into another year of
healing, absolutely.
So some of the things that I dois like increasing the stomach
acid with betaine hydrochloricacid tablets, because if you
have low hydrochloric acid, oneis you're not digesting food.
So parents are always tellingme oh, you know, it's coming out
the way that it went in.
You know corn or whateverthey're eating which they
shouldn't eat corn, but you knowthe food is going undigested

(01:11:45):
out the other end.
Um, that shows low hydrochloricacid in the stomach.
And and if you are lowhydrochloric acid, you cannot
absorb the b vitamins, theminerals, the amino acids from
the foods to begin with.
So literally you are just itout.
And that's why a lot of thedoctors are having our kids take
a lot of B vitamins, a lot ofminerals, and their levels are
never changing in the labsbecause they don't have the

(01:12:06):
hydrochloric acid.
They don't understand it.
And this goes back to the workof Dr Jonathan Wright.
He wrote a book by it.
It's online somewhere calledwhy stomach acid is good for you
.
It's a small little book andit's fantastic.
Dr Roby Mitchell, rest in peace, told me about that.
He got me into that.
Lithium orotate's a big winner.
It helps to balance oh my goshcircadian rhythms and and and

(01:12:27):
Focus concentration, loweranxiety.
And these are not medications.
These are not dangerousmedications, they're minerals.
I use humic fulvic becausethere's a whole host of stuff
that it does.
You know 77 minerals.
Takes heavy metals out of thebrain.
It kills pathogens in the blood.
Everything is bioavailable.
It's wonderful, wonderful.

(01:12:48):
Black seed oil soothes the gut.
You know we've got this itis, alot of itis, from mouth to anus
.
We have a lot of itis in there.
So the black seed oil is justsoothing, helps to kill
pathogens as well.
Breaks down biofilm, helps todetoxify the cells, because we
also have to get the bacteriaand virus that are living inside
of the cell out of the cell.
We have to firewall the cell aswell.
Got to get your inflammationdown.
And some of this stuff seemsredundant, like I know, like the

(01:13:10):
structured silver, which is notcolloidal silver, the black
seed oil, the chlorine dioxide,the lithium orotate, the
methylene blue and some of these.
They're all kind of redundant,yet they do the same sort of
things in their own sort of waywith their own individual extra
benefits.
But otherwise, like I rememberJim Humble used to tell me he's

(01:13:31):
like ah, you can cure autism inthree weeks.
You don't need anything else.
I'm like you can't but anywayautism is really complex and of
course, it takes place at themost, the most important
developmental time in a humanbeing's life.
That's when we're just changingall the time and we're getting
hit.
And so now, what the otherthing with with autism is, every

(01:13:51):
month that the child is out ofcommission, they're losing the
social capacity that you know,they're losing things.
So time is not on our side.
We cannot like like all parents.
So it'd be like well, my kid'sgoing to be like like in, like
January.
Well, you know he, she's goingto be on vacation in June, so
why don't I just start it inJune?
I'm like you're going to losesix more months.
Are you kidding me?
So you know time is of theessence.
We got to get busy and we'vegot to get weight.

(01:14:14):
The parents would be like well,you know, we're pretty good on
the diet, he, he.
I'm like that's not he, that'slike you've.
Just you're accepting thesentence of life, sentence that
autism will be in your childuntil they die at the age of 80
or whatever.
I mean there's not even ashortened lifespan or anything
like that.
It's they're going to live along time.
Who's going to take care ofthem when you're gone.
We have to move faster.

(01:14:35):
And of course, there's otherthings like speech supplements,
gaba, magnesium, dmg, taurine,theanine, 5-htp there's a lot of
different things that are veryuseful for that as well.
Or moppers.
You know, like you use acharcoal mopper, use an H7 to
get rid of the ammonia.
And then, of course, ourchelators bentonite, clay baths,

(01:14:57):
zeolite, and there's a lot ofdifferent methods, but I prefer
the liquid nanos because theycan get into the bloodstream and
pass the blood brain barrier.
Edta is very important.
It's a general heavy metalchelator and the nice thing
about chlorine dioxide becauseit neutralizes heavy metals.
You can use liquid chelatorsthat are nano that will go and
pick it up, like you don't needto do IVs, you don't need to do
you know anything, like youdon't have to fly across the

(01:15:17):
world to do these kind of crazythings and um, that's kind of it
.
And then there's the you knowhyperbaric chamber or um, oh my
gosh, there's, you know, there'slike some some zany stuff, like
there's a study about nicotinepatches and be like yeah, but
smoking is bad for you, I'm likeI'm not telling you to start
smoking.
So the work by dr brian, artist.
And of course, there's thatstudy about aggressive autism

(01:15:38):
from the I think it's the NIH,where they did a study with
aggressive autism, and they usenicotine patches so the nicotine
is absorbed into thebloodstream.
It firewalls the cell becauseall cells have nicotinic
receptors on the outside andthat keeps the bacteria and
virus from getting onto the celland getting into the cell.
Because that's why I I'll seefamilies that have done like IV

(01:15:59):
antibiotics, or six months or 10months, or three, four years of
antibiotics, because theirchild's now diagnosed with, with
pandas as well, which is strepbacteria, and the children are
really not a lot better and ofcourse their guts, you know,
just being destroyed and theproblem is that the bacteria
goes into the cell and it canwait out the period of

(01:16:20):
antibiotics and then, when theantibiotics end, out comes the
bacteria and you see it again.
But now you see it worsebecause any good flora that was
even remotely left over is gone.
And the proliferation of thebacteria now becomes unstoppable
and the immune system is shotbecause of the, you know,
destroying whatever the gutflora was even left over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, it's a shame that antibiotics are kind of
handed out like candy andthey're the side effects or the
downstream problems that comefrom them just are so overlooked
.
So I'm glad you pointed thatout.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Yeah, devastating actually to our community.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah, well, I think you've mentioned, even in a
different interview, that one ofthe potential reasons for
autism without a vaccine in theequation is just too many
antibiotics too soon.
That can wreck the human frameand the body's ability to detox
itself.
So yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I've even seen, you know, I've even seen so.
For example, I just took a casethis week of pandas
non-vaccinated pandas pediatricautoimmune neuro disorder
associated with streptococcalinfection and, um, the child
started having symptoms ofpandas, meaning, like you know,
defiance and and meltdowns andall this kind of difficult
behavior after a surgeryadenoids.

(01:17:32):
I don't remember what thesurgery was, but after surgery
and I've seen also I've alsoseen cases where children had to
go in for like nine months or12 months for like, uh, they had
, they were having an infection,so they ended up doing cesarean
, they ended up doing acircumcision.
There were two kids that wereone of my facebook groups back
in 2012 and neither one of thosechildren were vaccinated, but
both had this like emergencykind of a circumcision thing

(01:17:55):
because of a, an infection.
They came out of the surgery,lost speech, lost eye contact,
and then, you know, like six, 12months later, we're diagnosed
with autism.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You think it's anesthesia?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yes, absolutely Absolutely.
And our kids too.
If they go in for like a dentalprocedure and they put them out
there, they come back withautism, much worse, like their
ATEC goes skyrocketing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Much higher.
Wow, good intel there.
Okay, so we talked about thingsto add, or I guess, the
restrictions in the foodcategory, but are other things
to take away, so I'm thinkinglike screen time or detoxing the
home or anything.
Give some parents some insightinto that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
This is really cool.
So I went.
I think it was 2000,.
This is before the chlorinedioxide thing, so maybe 2006,.
Because I was still givingpresentations internationally in
Latin America on biomedicalinterventions, which is what Dr
Rimmel let me be trained in.
So I went to a conference tospeak about biomedical
interventions in Belize and atthat conference there were two

(01:18:50):
psychiatrists from Cuba and theywere presenting on their
findings in Cuba that when theytook away screen time from
children who were starting toshow symptoms of autism around
12 to 18 months, that thatreversed.
And then there's some studiesyou can even find them online
that it shows a thinning, and Ibelieve it's of the I want to

(01:19:12):
say the amygdala, but it's not.
Anyway, it's gone, it's on theinternet.
If you just look for autism andthinning in the brain and it
that the brain becomes likealmost calloused, like an old
man brain, like an old person,old woman, whatever brain, and
so the learning stops andthere's a lot of stuff.
So the screen time is terrible.
The best we can do is have noscreen time and then you know

(01:19:34):
the worst case scenario afterthe age of two.
One hour a day is the maximumamount of screen time, and I
mean computers, tvs, cell phones, ipads all that stuff has to go
.
Wow, yeah, so screens are a bigdeal, like you said, and that's
another thing.
Or, you know, even if you cango organic, you know that would
be better and a lot of us can'tafford organic or can't find

(01:19:54):
organic.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Those are some real things no-transcript influx that

(01:20:24):
the parents may not be aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Well, you know, there's a lot of people like 5G
or you know this kind of stuff.
If we live on the planet I meanthe satellites are beaming down
at us, there's a 5G towereverywhere.
It doesn't matter if you livein the middle of nowhere, you're
still getting reception.
So people are like oh, go on toone of those cable cords or
whatever for your internet.
Don't do wired internet, notwireless.
But if you turn on your cellphone you're picking up

(01:20:50):
everybody in the neighborhoods,so you're getting terrible
internet.
I don't think that that's thething.
Or you want to cover your housein tinfoil or something like
that?
Yeah, you can do these kind ofthings, but they're not going to
give you really much,especially if you don't live in
a bubble.
It's just not really possible.
So I think that that kind ofthing is overrated.
They have grounding machines.
There's that red light whichgoes with the methylene blue.

(01:21:12):
So I'm not opposed to red lightor foot baths that they put
these coils in and stuff.
I've never seen anything withthese kinds of things.
But there's lots of differentthings you can try, or magnets
or crazy stuff.
You know, those are the thingsthat I just see to have very
little, if any improvement inour kids.
So I like to keep people.
You know we all have a limitedamount of time, limited amount

(01:21:34):
of money.
So now, at that point, what arewe going to do?
So this is how my protocol, myprotocol, this is how I ended up
, you know, really likestreamlining as much as possible
, yet putting in everythingthat's needed.
I have to increase the stomachacid, I have to kill the
pathogens, I have to reduce theinflammation.
You know we have to take outthe heavy metals, so as you're.
And then you have to help thebody, like with H7, to get rid

(01:21:55):
of the ammonia or the charcoal,to get rid of the toxins, from
the pathogens while we'resleeping.
So we have to make it ascomfortable as possible, or,
like the enemas, to take out thebad stuff, you know, the
biofilms and the parasites andthings of that nature, and
detoxify the liver.
That's so people are like, well, can I just give somebody to
cause diarrhea?
It's like that is not the samething as an enema.
You know diarrhea is not anenema.
You want to really be able todetoxify the liver as well.

(01:22:17):
And then, of course, speechsupplements.
You know you need your GABA,your DMG, taurine, theanine
carcin, these kinds of things.
I mean that just really helps.
Or, you know, lithium orotate,and so there's certain
supplements that do help.
And now not everybody needseverything or hyperbarics.
I've had some kids do reallywell, like my own son did really
well with hyperbarics, but realhyperbarics 1.75 atmospheres
I'm not talking about 1.3, whichyou can't get from something

(01:22:39):
you can buy and put into yourhouse.
Sorry about the dogs.
So there are differentinterventions and, like I said,
as stem cells, I've never talkedto a family that was like, oh
yeah, that was great.
You know, I never saw that.
Or some of the fecal mattertransplant.
Like I've never had a familysay to me like, oh, that really

(01:23:04):
was a game changer.
Like I've never, ever, everseen or heard that and I have
the ability to talk and meetmany, many thousands of parents
that have done a lot ofdifferent things.
So, um, yeah, I've just notseen those kind of, you know,
kind of fly by night thingsreally work.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Man, you are such a wealth of knowledge and, just
similar to me, you've had topiece together how do you do
this over time and find, how doI major in the major things that
are the most needle moving andsure, where there's
discretionary income or there'stime or there's options,
incorporate a few other things.
But well done weeding throughthis landscape for as long as
you have for the rest of us.

(01:23:34):
Thank you for that.
One last thing I want to askyou about.
You mentioned on a differentinterview just how often the
parents have because they'vebeen caretakers for so long,
they're under burden and theirbodies are breaking down.
And you've had moms, whetherit's autoimmunity or Lyme's or
other things they've recoveredfrom.
Tell people a little bit andgive the parents a little more
hope.
That make this a family event.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
What's so cool?
Because most of the parentsthat are doing biomedical
usually do this stuff at thesame time their children do, and
just the same, like you know,with us, you know if we don't
die, then you know we go on, sothey'll start the protocol too.
I've watched hypothyroid goaway, hashimoto's go away,
fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue,lyme disease.
I've watched all these go away,just as mothers did it with

(01:24:15):
their kids.
And then I had a dad whostarted the protocol and he was
diagnosed with prostate cancerand he did the protocol without
the enemas, which I'm like comeon, do the enemas.
He didn't want to do the enemasand he recovered from that as
well.
So those are just the ones thatI watched happen while I had
these large Facebook groups.
And of course now, becausethere's just so many people and

(01:24:37):
there's so much stuff.
And course now because there'sjust so many people and there's
so much stuff and I know so manypeople that are doing similar
things for other, you know, likethese, these online groups of a
hundred thousand, which are notautism, they're related to
everything else, and likethere's just like nothing that
hasn't been recovered, or pets,or diabetic foot or name it, you
know it's like it's, they'rejust fine, they're, they're
recovered, they're, they're,they're.
They don't have that problemanymore.

(01:24:58):
So that's just the best thingthat we could possibly do is
just start doing the stuff we'redoing with our kids.
But I've just seen so manyrecoveries from so many
different things.
I mean my own mother, forexample.
She was diagnosed four yearsago with stage one lymphoma.
She's still stage one lymphoma.
She does everything I tell herto do.

(01:25:18):
Thank God she listens.
Sometimes a little bitchallenging about some of the
stuff.
She's still stage one lymphoma.
She does everything I tell herto do.
Thank God she listens.
Sometimes, you know, a littlebit challenging about some of
the stuff, but she does it alland she's still stage one four
years later and I believe thather stage won't increase because
she's doing everything that isindicated for that.
And of course, there's fenben,there's other things that are
involved for cancers, butthere's just, you know like
there's always something.

(01:25:38):
Or you know I'll be taking acase for a child and the mom be
like you know, I've got thisthing.
I'll be like, ok, just do thesefour things.
You know, like that's all Ineed to do.
Start with that and let's seeif we don't get rid of it in the
next three to six months, oryou know, my husband has this
and we'll just get him on thisat least.
And let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Yeah, right on.
Hopefully we have, as humanity,passed the tipping point where
this no longer can be suppressedand we can get this out.
And it's an honor to be able toamplify and hold the record of
what you have learned andsynthesized and be able to
present that to humanity.
One more place this can echointo the rest of our species so
that we can push back againstthis stuff.
So we'll start to wrap up here,this stuff.
So we'll start to wrap up here.
So I guess any other storiesyou want to tell of just that

(01:26:23):
you may not have mentioned, ofrecovery or of things that have
been meaningful to you over theyears, that would give the
listener some hope and verve totry this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Well, I mean, like I said, there's, you know, people
just come into my life at theright time, like Dr Rimland or
Dr Seneff, or Dr Mitchell andBob Sands.
I mean there's just been somany people, or Jim Humble, you
know, just the people that havecome into my life that have,
just, you know, really made abig difference and, you know,
given me direction, giving medirection, like you kind of get
to that crossroad.
It's like do I go right or do Igo left?

(01:26:51):
And then something over here islike they send me.
I remember when Dr Mitchellfound me rest in peace, a really
amazing doctor, he was veryalternative Anyway.
So he contacted me on Facebook.
This goes back like 2000,.
I don't know 2000, let's gowith 15.
And he contacts me.
He's like I want you to come toAmarillo, texas, and teach me

(01:27:13):
everything you know aboutchlorine dioxide.
I'm like what, what's wrongwith this person?
Who's this guy, you know?
I'm like, well, wait a second,what are you talking about?
He's like, I'm like how's thatgoing to go?
I got a kid, I'm a single mom,and so, anyway, I'm like can I
call you?
So I call him up and we starttalking, and then he starts
telling me about stomach acid,black seed oil, hydrochloric

(01:27:36):
acid, all this kind of stuff,and I'm like, okay, god got it.
You know, like that he was sent, he came to give me a message.
But the people that come togive me a message, are usually
coming like they're carryinggifts for me.
I mean like like I'm supposed togive them something and then
they, they in turn, they'regiving me gifts and it's just
been really a beautiful thing towatch, you know, from my
perspective, just because youknow when I sit back and look at

(01:27:58):
it like it, you know whenyou're in it it's like, ah, it's
so frustrating, or you knowthose kinds of things that are,
you know they take yourattention away from and that's
what it's meant to do.
You know those kinds of thingsare just interruptions and they
take your time and money.
But you know the road continuesand then the it in the groups,
my, my assistants.
They tell me things that arehappening now because of course,

(01:28:22):
now this is, you know, 16 yearslater, of chlorine dioxide and
22 years later of biomedicalinterventions.
And you know I get referralsfrom medical doctors with
families and things of thisnature, because you know they
can see that they're getting.
They're limited by what's intheir, their dob kit.
You know they're, they can openit up and they're like I got
antibiotics, I got antivir, I'vegot this, but the kid's not
better.

(01:28:42):
And I really want that kid toget better and I'm like, have
you ever heard of this person?
Or have you ever heard ofchlorine dioxide?
And then they're like well, areyou open to it?
They're like, yeah, sure, okay,here's's anything you know.
Besides, like, Matias is areally cool story.
There's another little boy'sdad, homeland Security.

(01:29:03):
His mother did a couple ofinterviews with me.
You know he was screaming,headbanging, nonverbal, and you
know diet and the whole protocol.
And now he's, you know they'reliving back in the States and
he's, you know, regular.
I think he's in sixth or seventhgrade now and he has sleepovers
and he plays an instrument inthe, in the, in the band at

(01:29:23):
school, and you know he's gothis friends and he's got his dog
and you know, so, like thesestories are very, very cool, of
these kids that just you know,go on with their their whole
life and, and I, and it affectsthe whole family, you know, when
a child comes back, completelythe grandparents, the parents,
because autism, unfortunately,if with the diagnosis of autism,

(01:29:44):
divorce is 90%, so 90% of ourfamilies end in divorce.
It's really bad.
I think 50% is a nationalaverage in the United States,
but 90% once you add the autismdiagnosis.
There's a lot of stress.
There's a financial stress and,of course, like what happened
with me and my ex-husband was,we were always fighting about.
You know, he didn't want to doanything more because he didn't
want to spend any more money anddidn't want to do it.

(01:30:06):
It was just like no, no, that'show it is, like no, that's not
how it is.
I'm not going to accept that.
You know, try to work thosethings out and talk about.
You know, like the, you knowwhy I want to keep helping my
child and why you don't want tohelp the child anymore.

(01:30:28):
But you know, and then theother thing is a lot of people
will just leave, Like women ormen might just leave the child
behind and then go man and the Iimagine the siblings of the
autistic child as well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
They can kind of just get lost in the, the morass of
of that life or lifestyle, or soyeah, I guess, if nothing else,
what what I heard?
I'm glad I asked you that lastquestion because I I heard just
a nudge to have some courage toto reach out when you need some
help, to not just like yourdivine appointments came at the.
Can I just ask you, can I, canI call you?
Like you you need some help tonot just like your divine
appointments came at the.
Can I just ask you, can I callyou?
Like you just took initiativeto do something, whether it's

(01:31:05):
send an email or start a group,and sometimes that's just all it
takes to get in the game.
And do you have a lot to learn?
Will it be a journey ahead ofyou that will require something
of you?
Yeah, but look at what it cando and the ripple effect of the
handful of you Calker, grennan,humble yourself, just not giving
up on this, getting the wordout, and the countless number of
people that have been helpedjust because of courage, and so,

(01:31:28):
for any of you listening, havesome of that.
Anything you want to add tothat?

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Well, people will say , oh well, autism is not curable
.
Well, if you don't do anything,yeah for sure it's not.
You know you cannot recoversomebody if you do absolutely
nothing.
So, yeah, you're aself-fulfilling prophecy.
But if you do and it's a lot ofwork, that hourly dosing, those
you know supplements, it's alot of work but you can recover
your child from autism so theycan go back to that direction

(01:31:54):
that they were intended.
Or the first, like you know,with my boy.
You know, the first 12 years,12 months of life were just, you
know, fine, and then it wasjust too much, too much, too
much.
And then you know he went out.
So now, why can't we take himback?
Why can't we get back on thatpath?
And in many cases we can.
But you know you have to dothat, you have to put in the
hard work.
And so the nice thing aboutthis protocol is it's not pricey

(01:32:16):
like the other one.
You do it from home, you don'thave to go somewhere, but you
have to put in a lot of work andit's not like, oh, I'm going to
do it Monday through Friday andtake the weekend off, or vice
versa, I'm going to do it on theweekend and then Monday through
Friday.
We're not going to.
It's a lot of work, but ifyou're doing the work maybe
between 18 and 36 months youknow what I mean.
Fill in the blank, whatever thegoal for you is of somebody

(01:32:41):
who's totally healed and fine.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Yeah Well, I remember I asked you last time we talked
about help us understand howhard this is, and you made the
point it's already hard, like soyou're just, you're just kind
of switching for from this hardthat you're used to to a
different kind of hard and sobut you're seeing stuff, though
you're seeing something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
You're like, my kid's looking at me, my kid's
answering questions.
My kid's sleeping through thenight.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Yes, Evidence of progress is so good for the
human heart, exactly, evidenceof progress.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
So that's just so uplifting, of course, and of
course now you know it's just,you know I get emails, I get
text messages and my child isdoing this and he wasn't, or
whatever.
A video of a child and and ofcourse, the recovered kids are
like that, just so cold, totallycool, and um, a lot of people
are like, well, why aren't thevideos on the end of the trolls?
The trolls will find out whothat person was and they'll go

(01:33:30):
chase them down, like one of myrecoveries.
It's a.
It's a mom, uh, in in in theUnited States.
Her son recovered like in 2014,.
But I did an interview with hermaybe about five, six years ago
, so he had been recovered.
He's not on protocol, he's notdoing anything.
The trolls got, I mean, I don'tknow how they're able to do
this, but they got the CPS to goto her house.

(01:33:50):
She had to hire an attorney andher child's not even on any
parts of the protocol, you know,but then she had to pay maybe
seven hundred dollars becausethe attorneys had to get
involved, you know, otherwisethey'll take your kid from you.
Just, I don't understand our,the governments in the world.
I mean they're, they'relistening to these people that
have nothing.
They have nothing in their handbut just a big mouth in their
face and they're, you know,making people's lives miserable

(01:34:12):
instead of getting out of theway.
Let the children go on to havethe full life that they were
intended to have.
And of they're cheapening thediagnosis of autism by people
saying, well, I run the Facebookgroup and this person's
bleacher and I'm autistic.
You're like, yeah, you're notautistic.
And the kids, our kids withautism?
They're mostly nonverbal,there's headbanging, there's
diapers, there's epilepsy.
They're not able to run aFacebook group.

(01:34:33):
They're not even able to open acomputer.
What are you talking about?
So you know there, and maybethere's something spectrumy
about people, but you can'tconfuse the sick children.
And again, I disagree with thelabel autism for our children,
vaccine, injured.
They start off perfectly fine,he's perfectly fine, there he is
, and then he gets this thingwhich the label is autism.

(01:34:54):
But it's not correct yeah youknow it's not a correct, it's
not a correct, uh, and that'swhy I can call it a label,
because you know you callhypothyroidism or you can call
cancer, you can call Lyme.
These are labels.
So autism is a label and it'sused to communicate, maybe,
different social ideas orsomething like that.
That's a totally different newthing that they're bringing into

(01:35:15):
it.
Our kids are sick and itstarted in 1940s that same type
of thing.
Dr Rimland, 1964 wroteinfantile autism.
So that's, you know, this thingthat's new, not everybody gets
it, not everybody has it.
And um, so this is their, their, their blending, their blending
a lot of things like everybodynow is like oh, I have ADHD, I

(01:35:36):
have autism, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Same problem You're poisoned.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, but it's not.
I mean, if you're able to runhate groups against me and
Facebook and on every otherthing, I call BS there, because
our children are not thosechildren.
These are children who cannotdo anything for themselves.
They cannot literally, theycannot cook for themselves, they
cannot clean for themselves.
They must be cared for all thedays of their life.

(01:36:01):
So this is do not confuse thesethings and that's why there's
this, this vaccine injury thatthey're calling autism.
And uh, you know, you know, Godwilling, RFK junior changes that
in September, but I don't know.
And the um, we can look at theAmish, we can look at them.
They have no autism.
Or there's a, there's a largepediatric practice out of in
Illinois where they've seen, Ithink, 50,000 kids or more over

(01:36:25):
the last 25 years and they workwith mostly the homeschool
community and they do not haveany vaccinated children.
They do not have any cases ofautism.
So if they wanted to look at,you know, unvaccinated and
vaccinated, and do those studies, like I said, you know, from
birth to three, they'll findthat in the non-vaxxed community
you're going to have zero toalmost nothing as far as this
you know label of autism and theother side's going to be, you

(01:36:47):
know, one in 31, according toCDC, in 2025,.
It's not going to be anydifferent sadly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Well, thank you for correcting the record, and
correcting it boldly, butcorrecting it with a long
history of stories and effort toback you up.
So I appreciate so much youtaking the time.
You have definitelyover-delivered, like I expected
you would, so tell people wherethey can go to find you, your
work, anything else you wantthem to know about you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Well, my name is Keri Rivera and my website is
keririveracom and my name is myparents.
You know they had a good senseof humor, Kerry Rivera.
My book was just taken downagain on Amazon and on Barnes
Noble, so it should be back upat kerryriveracom.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
We're printing a bunch of books and so for those
listening, not watching, spellyour name for them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
K-E-R-R-I.
Oh yeah, kerry K-E-R-R-I.
Oh yeah, keri K-E-R-R-I.
Rivera KeriRiveracom, which isa kind of funky name, that's why
it's kind of, you can't reallyforget it.
But Keri RiveraK-E-R-R-I-R-I-V-E-R-Acom.
My email is there.
I answer all my emails.
If you email me from AOL,hotmail, sbg, global, icloud, I

(01:37:58):
can't answer you back becauseI'm blocked by those servers.
So, if you Gmail ProtonMail, Ican get back to you, no problem.
Wow, yeah the censorship isjust like so high.
You're like, really it'sridiculous yeah.
But it's been going for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
It says you're over the target.
You are doing God's work, youare helping heal people and
there are those in power thatdon't want that because you are
a threat to their monopoly ortheir cartel or their Chlorine
dioxide is a threat to theireverything it's a threat to
everything you know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
we've got to get rid of those useless eaters.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I mean, we saw what happened in, you know over the
last five years.
I mean, died suddenly is a realthing.
It's happening all the time.
Okay, so the time, okay.
So now we're still 2025.
We're kind of on the other sideof like that, that first
intense one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
People are still dying suddenly.
Yeah, no, you're, you're right.
So those of us who are willingto speak up about it, please do
take this message that Carrie istelling and get it out there
everywhere you can.
But, carrie, thank you so muchfor taking the time.
I know it's a lot and I knowyou are busy and in demand.
So I so appreciate you and Ilook forward to just talking to
you again in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Well, thank you very much for inviting me and, of
course, it's always wonderful tobe able to talk to other
communities because you haveyour own community and to talk
to other communities and just tobring hope, and you know
anything that I can do foranybody.
You know, feel free.
I'm always happy because peopleare like why can't I buy that
stuff?
I saw you on so-and-so.
I'm like Carrie atCarrieRiveracom.
That's my email.
Send me an email.
I answer them all.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Yeah, just don't use the wrong email server.
Get a ProtonMail account.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yeah, I can get it.
I can get their emails, but Ican't respond.
So it's the Gmail or the Proton.
I can respond, but gosh, theother ones I have to go through.
I have an assistant that endsup sending my emails to them,
but it's not the ideal situationbecause I am Well, I'd say I
even Gmail.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I don't know that that one will last a whole lot
longer because that's Google.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
So I know it's going to go one day, but so far it's
still OK.
But Proton is the way to go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
OK, there you go.
All right everyone.
Thank you so much for listeningtoday.
Thank you, carrie, for comingand thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Thank you very much.

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