Mark Grenon's life story reads like a thriller but carries the weight of hard truth about health freedom in America. A missionary pilot who spent 47 years serving communities across Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Colombia, Mark's path took an unexpected turn when he and his family contracted antibiotic-resistant MRSA in 2006.
Facing a potentially fatal diagnosis with no effective medical treatment, Mark discovered chlorine dioxide—a simple compound that completely healed his family when conventional antibiotics had failed. This miracle led him to partner with Jim Humble, forming the Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing to teach others about this healing protocol. The results were extraordinary, with documented cases of recovery from malaria, cancer, AIDS, and numerous other conditions that Mark witnessed firsthand during his global outreach work.
But success came at a devastating price. As his healing ministry expanded to 19 countries, Mark became a target. He experienced multiple assassination attempts, systematic deplatforming, debanking, and ultimately, a coordinated government raid in 2020 that led to his imprisonment along with his sons. The trial that followed trampled constitutional rights, with the judge explicitly instructing the jury to disregard First Amendment protections. Despite having no criminal history and no victims claiming harm, Mark and his sons received maximum sentences.
While incarcerated, Mark nearly died when his mitral valve ruptured and prison officials delayed medical treatment. Now released but with two sons still imprisoned, he continues fighting for justice while sharing his knowledge about healing protocols that threatened pharmaceutical profits enough to warrant this level of persecution.
His story exposes uncomfortable truths about power structures willing to imprison those who challenge medical orthodoxy, even when they've helped thousands heal. Mark's resilience and unwavering faith serve as both warning and inspiration for anyone concerned about health freedom and constitutional rights in America today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 51.
My guest today is a livinglegend, mr Mark Grennan.
Mark has such a fascinatingstory that we needed two
episodes to chronicle the lifethis man has lived and do our
best really to capture it forposterity.
So, as you'll hear me say inthe episode, mark's story
reminds me of a combination of aJames Bond movie and the New
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Testament book of Acts.
It is remarkable what he haslived through, including
multiple attempts on his life,swat team raids, censorship,
debanking, deplatforming,withheld medical care, delayed
trials, unjust imprisonment andthe removal of his social
security benefits.
And that doesn't count thestories he tells in the next
episode.
So what we focused on in thisepisode is the story of his work
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as a medical missionary, howthat led him to discover
chlorine dioxide and eventuallybe thrown in prison with two of
his sons for refusing to stopteaching people how to use
chlorine dioxide to heal.
So for context, mark haspersonally helped thousands of
people heal from some of themost devastating diseases known
to man using chlorine dioxide.
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And Mark also has the picturesand stories to back up what I
just said.
So I'll have a link for youwhere you can see those pictures
in the show notes.
So, in case you are unfamiliarwith chlorine dioxide, I've
covered that topic fromdifferent angles in episodes 16,
18, 45, and 46.
What's unique about Mark's storyis that he is a perfect example
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of a very uncomfortable reality, namely this there are those in
power who not only wish to harmhumanity, but they are willing
to commit genocide to protecttheir power.
So until somebody canmetabolize that evil like that
is alive and active and inpositions of power, you can't
see reality for what it is.
So if you heard episode number35 with Sally Saxon, you may
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remember her and I talking abouthow power hungry people have no
red line.
There is nothing that is offlimits, and Mark's story is a
perfect example of the lengthsthose in power will go to to
make sure nothing threatenstheir interests.
Yeah, I think his story is alsoan inspiring story of hope and
resilience and what it means toface evil and not lose your
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humanity or the will to fight.
Now that he is freshly out ofprison, mark is on a mission to
accomplish a few big things.
First is to get his two sonsout of prison, one of which has
never met his four-year-old son.
Second is to help spread theword about chlorine dioxide.
Third is to expose the riggedjustice system that disregards
the US Constitution, similar towhat happened with the January
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6th debacle.
And fourth, to share themessage of the gospel with
anyone who will listen.
Those are the things that beatin his heart.
An interesting crossroads for mewith this episode is that when
I first learned about chlorinedioxide back in 2021, all I
could find on the internet wasall the propaganda to defame
Mark and basically try to scarethe crap out of anyone to keep
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them away from it.
And Mark is one of the keyfigures whose story explains why
the search engines arecompletely useless now when it
comes to researching anythingabout health, all you will find
is the clanging gong of themedical echo chamber, curated to
point you away from what worksand instead keep you on the
medical conveyor belt for life.
Friends, in case you do notknow it, organic search is dead.
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If you don't know where to goto get real health guidance, you
will have a really hard timefinding solid answers on the
internet, and today's thoughtleaders and innovators don't
show up on the search engine.
And Mark is one of thecountless voices who the powers
that be have tried to silence.
Fortunately for him and thoseof us who can learn from him.
The Colombian government kepthim from being put in prison for
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life, which is what the USgovernment was trying to do.
Now Mark is out of jail and heis fearless, and it was an honor
to interview him.
In the next episode, he and Iwill talk more about his faith
journey, but for this episode,let Mark be an example to you of
how fragile our freedoms areand why we need more of us to be
vocal to stand up for them.
The more of us who spread thismessage, the harder it will be
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for it to be suppressed.
So I hope this episode inspiresyou.
It certainly inspired me, andif you have the means to donate
to Mark to help him make endsmeet, please do.
He is one of the true good guysand he would greatly appreciate
your support.
So I will have links for you inthe show notes where you can
find his books and his Give SendGo page.
So I will have links for you inthe show notes where you can
find his books and his Give SendGo page.
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Okay, without further ado, hereis my interview with the
faithful, fearless and humbleMark Grennan.
Okay, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
It is my honor to have Mr MarkGrennan join me on the show
today.
Mark has been a missionary for47 years, including being a
pilot, in Haiti, the DominicanRepublic and Colombia, and to me
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his life story feels like acombination of a James Bond
movie and the New Testament bookof Acts.
It is remarkable whatexperience this man has had, so
much so that we're going to needtwo episodes just to
effectively scratch the surface.
So in this episode, we're goingto talk about Mark's really
jaw-dropping story of learninghow to help people heal
physically.
And back in 2006, out of adesperate need to find something
to help himself and his familyheal from a deadly flesh-eating
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bacteria called MRSA, mark tookto the Internet back in the days
when you could still get goodhealth information online, and
he came across Jim Humble's workwith what at the time was
called Miracle MineralSupplement, or what today is
known as chlorine dioxide, andthat forever changed the course
of his life in many dramaticways.
So, mark, thank you for takingthe time.
It's an honor to have you.
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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's a wonderful blessing you take the time out
to let us share our story.
It really is Not just for getour story out so people can know
what's happened to us andhopefully get a pardon from
Trump.
That's the main reason.
But the secondary reason is tobe healed, not be tied to a
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system that will just treatsymptoms and keep you sick.
It's like the car salesman youknow he wants you to buy a car
and the car manufacturers makethem so they break down.
Right, they break, so they usedto love.
I have a 1982 Toyota LandCruiser in Colombia and it runs
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like a top.
I have a 2005 Honda CR-V runslike a top.
I don't like Ducats.
They don't last as long.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, something called planned obsolescence in
there, yeah, I get it.
So all right, well, let me see,I've listened to a few of your
interviews and so I know you'repretty much the type of guest
who can just interview himself.
So I'll do my best to just teeyou up and get out of the way.
But before we get to the storyof MRSA and chlorine dioxide,
talk to us about two things.
So, first, how did you get intothe work of becoming a medical
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missionary?
And two, when did you becomeskeptical of the medical
industrial complex and reallysee it for what it is?
I'll answer the second questionfirst.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You hear my voice.
It's from the 1976 swine fluvaccine.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It paralyzed the left side of my throat and I had
some doctors coming down.
They did a surgery, put aprosthesis in it, because this
one was dead, say, and this onewouldn't be the one moving, so
this it had to stretch too far.
So they pushed this one out, sothis one doesn't strain so much
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, and so that was from a vaccine.
So because of that, 50 peopledied, 500 got the Gillian-Barr
syndrome that they know of.
And that's what really paralyzedmy vocal cord.
I didn't know about it until 20years later, but they settled
$5 billion.
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I didn't get any of it becauseI didn't know about it, but that
made me skeptical.
I never vaccinated my kids.
I have eight children, that'swell.
That's kind of a lie, because Ithink I did three of them the
what do you call it?
The tetanus shot to go toAfrica as a missionary.
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I don't know why they had us dothat, but I think I did that
one.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, so you've been skeptical of pharma since 1976,
and that was kind of yourawakening.
That was when I was born, soyou've been aware of this a lot
longer than I have.
So well done, okay.
Well then, talk about how didyou get into the work of
becoming a medical missionaryAfter?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
maybe we can talk about this next second with the
details of it.
But after I got thrown out ofAfrica, nigeria because we had
100,000 people on our Biblecourse in Nigeria and I was
living there, we started threechurches in three years.
We started a Bible Instituteand because so many Muslims were
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coming to us, the Muslimgovernment basically said get
out of here, you're not gettingyour new.
Well, they didn't say it thatway.
They did not renew my visa,which there was no reason for it
, so I had to leave Nigeriaafter three years and I didn't
know where to go.
I didn't want to go back to thechurch I outfound and work and
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pastor.
It's going good because the guytaking over.
It's not good.
If a guy comes back in thepicture, he's the pastor.
So I ended up in South Carolina,columbia not Columbia, south
America, but Columbia, southAmerica, south Carolina and the
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pastor was a instructor, a pilot, crazy guy, vietnam pilot man.
I didn't even know if I wantedto learn from this guy, but I
learned how to fly an airplane.
But he asked me one day he goesMark, I need help down in Haiti
, the Caribbean, turks andCaicos and I need someone that's
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free, like you, to be amissionary down there.
I'll teach you how to fly anairplane free, but you're going
to need an airplane because youhave to island hop.
I said, okay, long story short,to fly an airplane free, but
you're going to need an airplanebecause you have to island hop.
I said, okay, all right, longstory short, this is kind of
funny.
But uh, I had no airplane.
So I went, I hit the roadraising money for an airplane.
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The bastards would ask me whydo you need an airplane?
Are you a pilot?
I don't know well, why do youneed it?
But because to what a pilot Igo?
No, well, why do you need anairplane?
Because it's what I'm going tobe doing.
I want to buy the airplane,learn in the airplane, then I'm
going to be flying and then I'llleave.
So I didn't raise much moneybecause they didn't really like
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that.
You're not a pilot.
Well, what about if you fail?
But one church in Great Falls,montana, I preached one night
about David and Goliath, davidhaving Goliath's sword dropped
back in his hands years after hekilled him, and the whole altar
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was full.
I mean, I still love thatmessage to myself, never mind
preaching it.
But that night they raised allthe money for the airplane.
Wow, so it was 20 grand.
They raised it, boom, got theairplane.
So I cut my mission raisingsupport Short.
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Went back to South Carolina.
Started learning how to fly thatairplane, okay, so I was going
to Haiti.
Well, haiti was bad.
They were just getting ready toinvade Remember when the
Americans invaded in the 90s andit was really hard to live
there as a missionary.
So I went across the borderinto the Dominican Republic,
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about an hour from the border ofHaiti, and I didn't know any
Spanish.
I knew all the burrito adios.
I didn't know any Spanish, so Ijust started.
This is if you ever want tolearn Spanish or really any
language.
I learned this phrase.
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How do you say that you knowlike, learned this phrase.
How do you say that you knowlike I hold this.
How do you say this?
How do you say that?
And they'd say vaso, okay, vaso, vaso, vaso, vaso, vaso.
And I just started speaking oneword, two word sentences.
You know, I built up myvocabulary, so God blessed me.
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We sent people to the know.
I build in my vocabulary, soGod bless we.
We, uh, some people to Lord.
I showed movies in Spanishbecause I couldn't speak Spanish
.
The one I used the most was theBurning Hell.
Oh, rude movie done in the 60s.
I mean, you talk about zero,zero, um.
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What do you call it when youhave um?
You know what's the word?
I can't even think in englishsometimes.
You know, when you have, uh,special effects, okay, zero
special effects, I mean verycrude, right, it was like
watching a play, but man, didpeople really sit up and take
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notice of that?
And so we built, I got a bunchof guys together and some ladies
and I started a Bible Instituteat church.
I'd say within a year we hadfour or five guys learning the
Bible and I said to myself I go,you know what we really need?
We need people from America tocome and visit a third world
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country.
I lived in the DominicanRepublic, up in the mountains it
was third world in shacks.
The average family was rich ifthey had a two room shack,
otherwise just one room.
They ate, they slept, you know.
Obviously they used thebathroom outside in an outhouse
that they made.
I wanted people to see it andsee how friendly the people were
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, because in Africa these peoplehad nothing, bro, nothing.
Anybody be singing songs,whatever they had, they'd give
you.
And I saw the same thing in theDominican Republic.
I'm like this is what peopleneed.
They need a shock, especiallyteenagers, you know.
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And, to make a long story short, in about five years a lot of
groups started coming downbecause I knew a lot of pastors
and youth groups, church groups.
Then a couple years, goingmedical teams I mean big ones.
We had up to 100 people comeand I was building a dormitory
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but it was taking time.
So we'd rent the hotel anddowntown and we had probably, on
the average, 16 to 20 weeks outof the year, medical teams,
surgeons, dentists, pharmacists,and we'd go triage people up in
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the mountains.
My boys would help me becauseby then we were getting
proficient in Spanish and they'dbring them down to the town
where the hospital was andthey'd let us use the operating
rooms.
They loved American doctors andwhat we did.
First we made sure thepoliticians and the big people
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in the town if they need anyoperations, their family was
first, because we we were stilltrying to find people that
needed it, but we knew we tookcare of the mayor, the head of
the police and everything elsetheir families.
You know, minor injury, uh,surgeries and stuff.
A lot of kids have umbilicalhernias.
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That's how I got into themedical.
They wanted me because of mylanguage ability to work in the
hospitals.
Literally, I was a surgicalassistant.
They even let me cut peopleopen.
I stitched people.
I mean I did held them gutsopen.
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I stitched people.
I mean I did Held them Cutsopen.
I did everything, literally Toone point.
After about five, six years,we're eating lunch and some guys
that were finishing up theirinternship were eating lunch.
They go.
So, mark, where did you go toschool?
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I go.
I did what you know surgery.
Well, I'm just practicingmedicine, like you guys are
gonna do, just practicing.
These guys are good teachersand I practiced maybe 20 weeks
out of the year, been doing itfor about six years.
Oh, they were like shocked howhow could you do this?
That's the kind of stuff youcould do in a third world
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country.
I wouldn't have done it myself,but with expert surgeons, of
course.
They taught me.
I had a dental chip.
I pulled hundreds of teeth,stitched them up, stitched
people up when they got cut.
So I had a pharmacy in my house.
So that's how I got intoworking with medical people and
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that's when I contracted MRSA.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, all right.
Well, yeah, so that's greatbackground on how you kind of
just became, on the missionfield, known for helping people
with their health.
And so then fast forward.
I think it's 2006, was it?
You and your family contractMRSA, so tell people one what
that is, what the prognosis is,and then how that led you to
find Jim Humble and chlorinedioxide.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, most people get MRSA, which stands for
mesosilin, which is basically atype of penicillin resistant
staphylococcus aureum.
So you you're basically it'sresistant to any kind of better
ceiling and that's what they usefor a lot of bacterial
infections, right so, and it'sfleshy.
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There's no cure.
They would just eat away theskin.
Then it go further and further,getting your blood.
You gotta cut it immediately.
A boil would be created, plushorrible looking, and I have
eight children.
We got it from the hospital andit spread through the family.
So now I'm dealing with this,I'm telling the doctors I had
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the latest and greatestantibiotics that these doctors
could find.
They even used them in surgerytime-released.
We had Keflexin, rocephin.
We had injectable ones.
We had time-released capsules.
Nothing touched it.
And Marcia got worse to thepoint where, after a year or so
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of having it, my son was on hisleg, had a really bad boil, and
the doctor came to me and said,mark, we're probably gonna have
to cut that out.
Um, and if it doesn't workwhich most time it doesn't we'll
have to amputate his leg tosave his life because it'll get
all through his body.
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Over a hundred thousand peopledie a year from mercy.
So I'm like whoa.
So we tried everythingpharmaceutical-wise.
I told my son John we got to dosomething and we got to really
start praying.
All right, we're alreadypraying, but we got to pray
harder because this is whatthey'll have to do and he goes
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Dad, no way I'll go see Jesusbefore you cut my leg off.
And he was playing baseballwith the Seattle Mariners farm
team in the Dominican Republic.
So he's thinking, man, I wantto go on and become a
professional baseball player.
He was really good and I don'twant my kid to have one leg.
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So, as a father and for myself,I had it bad.
I got on the internet Dial-upback then, because where I was,
we were up in the hills.
I ran a line a mile up the hillto have dial-up.
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Okay, so I get on.
We dug wells for people, we, weimproved the whole neighborhood
, but I um got on there.
It pops this book that youalready mentioned, uh, miracle
mineral supplement of the 21stcentury by jim humble.
I man, I believe in miracles.
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You know, I've prayed and we'veprayed in churches and seen
people healed Not miraculouslyerased the dead.
But you know, like to go backinto operating on the cancer.
The cancer's gone or thingslike that, but not to say God
can't do those other things.
But I hadn't personally seenanybody raised from the dead or
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the blind see.
But I have seen people recoverfrom deathly things.
So I'm like Dad, this sounds toosnake oil-ish to me.
Humble miracle, this guy's ascammer.
So I ignored the book.
Book came back two weeks laterbecause it's getting worse.
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Type in it again.
Up comes that book.
I'm like all right, all right,lord, I'm praying, I'm gonna
check it out.
He offered the first book, firsthalf of the book, free, so I
got it.
Read it.
I'm you know this doesn'treally sound like snake oil.
He's not asking for any money.
So that's usually the first.
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You know key, it's snake oil.
You're asking for money.
He's over in Africa giving itaway, helping people and have
all these results Malaria beingthe first one, 100% of the time
being cured, and that's thenumber one killer in the history
of mankind MRSA.
So then he's finding out he'scuring cancer, diabetes, aids,
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mrsa, infections, intestinalproblems, vaginal problems, all
kinds of things.
And so I got the second half ofthe book read it real quick.
I'm getting this stuff, lord, Ithink you maybe sent this guy
to me.
So I ordered this stuff and wehad a missionary plane.
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I didn't have my plane with meat the time.
We had a missionary plane comein.
Another missionary wasborrowing my plane so they would
come into Santo Domingo bringour mail and I was waiting About
every two weeks.
I'm waiting as soon as thatmail came.
I ran to the Capitol two and ahalf hours, got it Started doing
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it Because I didn't want togive it to my kids.
They killed my kids, I don'tknow, so I'll sacrifice.
I started drinking it.
It was the protocols then weredifferent than they are now.
It was pretty strong.
You get a little diarrhea anduh, so you naturally back down
on the strength.
That's what I had to do,especially with my little kids.
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But in one week, christian, oneweek, it dried up.
Two weeks you couldn't eventell I had this big boil size of
a baseball gone and I'm like,wow, so obviously I start giving
it to my kids and it starts thesame thing happening with them.
So I tell them, the doctorsstill coming down, uh, hey, look
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what happened what?
No, I look.
No, well, they look it up, stayaway from me.
Like, why me?
Why would I stay away from it?
Because the fda they had a bigfarmer it's.
It's a poison.
Well, I guess this poison curedme then I'm not staying away
from it.
It's drying up on my kids too.
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Basically, all the doctors ran.
They stopped coming to me andthey were Christian guys, love
God.
They just kind of stoppedsupporting me.
Things started coming weirdLike whoa, with this stuff
called chlorine dioxide miraclemineral supplement, mms.
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This is pretty controversial.
So I'm a controversial guy.
I start using it, say, okay,look at your doctors, I'm going
to start using it everywhere Igo as a missionary and I started
curing AIDS, diabetes, cancer,elephantitis, dengue fever,
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chicken guna.
All kinds of infections werehealing quick.
So I'm like man.
After two years of doing that,we opened a website called MMS
for Hispaniola that's the islandof Haiti in Dominican Republic
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and I started having people callme.
I was getting the naturalingredients, two natural
ingredients sodium chloride, notchloride salt.
This was a mineral saltchloride and citric acid or
hydrochloric acid, which is inyour stomach.
Citric acid was a little roughon you, so we switched to
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hydrochloric acid 4%.
You know, you can put it rightin your mouth.
It's weak.
So I write, jim.
I write Jim Wild how thishappened.
I write Jim about my experience, because he had an email in his
book Go Jim, this is what I'vebeen doing, thank you for your
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book, thank you for showing mehow to heal my family, but this
is what's coming out of it.
He writes me back and about ithe goes wow, mark, that's
wonderful, because you're in adifferent culture, different
side of the earth, differentpeople and you're having the
exact same doubts, same resultsI'm having when you use a
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protocol consistently.
I said, yep, so it's happening.
He goes keep in touch, buddy.
This is great.
It's growing around the world.
A lot of people buy my book.
Okay, cool, all right.
Another year goes by.
I'll never forget Me, and myboys are saying you need to take
this around the world with thegospel Because we can be like
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the apostles.
We can heal people.
Not instantaneously Soundspretty quick, like malaria
within 4 hours really.
We did videos about it andeverything.
We did blood tests before andafter, but some things I
abscessed 2 hours.
I'm saying quick.
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Some things take a month or two.
So let's take it around theworld.
Let's stop praying.
So me and my boys start prayingand, um, it's september 2019,
so I'm gonna write jim well, wecould sell the compound, sell it
to another mission and we'll goto africa.
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Kind of work with him at first,show him some of the stuff
we've been doing and we'll endup taking it around the world.
And I write him that he writesback within a day, next day,
mark, do not sell your compa.
I just got out of jail in Malawi.
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They threw me in jail for twoweeks.
I had to pay $5,000, which isabout $50,000 to us in Africa,
$5,000.
And they let me out.
But they also, the government,notified other countries and
basically threw me out of Africa.
So I have to go somewhere.
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Can I come to you?
Sure, jim, yeah, when youcoming, give me three months.
He sends me he doesn't know mefrom Adam's house, cat right.
And he sends me $25,000 andsays make me a place where I can
live, where I can have airconditioning, I can study
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because I'm going to startwriting a second book and give
me internet access, which we hadto get, a satellite dish, and
even that didn't work good.
So four or three months later,january 2010, jim Humble is
living with us.
I mean, that's a miracle, rightthere.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think earlier you said 2019.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So you probably meant 2009.
Did I say 19?
Yeah, I always do that 2009,.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I started praying 2010.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, Okay, Keep going.
No, you're doing great.
Thank you for keeping thatstraight.
Yeah, 2009, because some thingshappened in 2019.
Get that in my head too.
2009, we started praying.
It came in 2010.
And immediately he said listen,I want to start seminars, I
want to train people.
(29:23):
This will be an internationaltraining institute for all
things, chlorine dioxide, mms.
Like okay, jim, well, let'sstart a church.
I haven't got a mission yet,but let's start.
You know, you got christianscience.
You got um, what's the one?
(29:44):
Scientology?
You've got other places thatare spiritual and they kind of
dabble with even the Seventh-dayAdventists Talk about health,
and you know, and all of usshould.
You know, I said let's startone.
We'll call it Genesis 2 ofHealth and Healing.
(30:04):
Genesis 2 Church of Health andHealing.
The word church means a groupof people ekklesia with a common
purpose and a goal.
Basically, it used to be, inGreece, a political name.
Ekklesia was first political.
I said let's do that.
It was good.
We'll call it Genesis 2 becauseit's a new beginning for health
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in the world.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Did you have the foresight at that point to know
the protections having a churchwould offer you over what, let's
say, just having a businesslicense would do for you?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, a pastor.
I was street preaching one timeand we got arrested on a
sidewalk public way we'repreaching.
It was really.
Um, it's kind of funny.
We're preaching in front ofcatholic church for their las
vegas night.
Okay, you say, why are youpicking on catholics?
(31:02):
I wasn't.
I was picking on the las vegasnight because the town wouldn't
let us put up in front of ourchurch A big sign that said old
fashioned day instead ofHalloween.
Right, they wouldn't give us apermit, but they gave them one
for Las Vegas night at theCatholic church.
(31:23):
So we got upset so we'repreaching there.
Mary didn't break craps, didn'tplay craps, jesus didn't play
blackjack.
We had sides up and we'repreaching, you know anyways.
Uh, it's kind of a funny, butwe were serious.
So they arrested two of theguys.
I wasn't there at the time whenthey rushed up, put him in jail
(31:45):
.
He got out of bail, but when wewent to court this is what I
learned we got to court, I camein as the pastor and once the
judge heard that this was achurch, she dropped the charges
right away.
You guys are a church preachingon the street corner, a public
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way dropped.
So I never forgot that Churcheshave the First Amendment right
of freedom of speech and thepractice of what they believe.
First Amendment right.
Yeah, later that the judge toldthe jury and said to them you
(32:29):
cannot consider the FirstAmendment in this case.
Yeah, we'll get to that storyshortly.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So, yeah, keep going with.
So you've got Jim Humble withyou.
He you start a Genesis 2 churchto give yourself some
protection from, let's say, yourmedical friends and other
entities who don't want thismessage out.
And so you start runningseminars, Tell people what
happened.
Then we set up a curriculum.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I did Bible Institute .
Jim was a smart guy.
We designed a syllabus.
We even had a CD course.
People could come sitting andexplaining the 40 different
protocols.
Come, uh, sitting andexplaining the 40 different
protocols.
So the first seminar fivemonths later after he came, he
(33:14):
had 45 people from 15 countries.
I mean it wasn't easy to getdominican public then take a bus
to an alpha hours people didn'tunderstand spanish and then
call us when they got to downand they come.
So they, they were reallyserious people, right, and all
had testimonies, all help ofpeople in their respective
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countries and it took off.
So after three years we even hadthe FDA send people down called
Pro Consumador, which is likethe FDA to try to shut us down.
I told them we're a church andthey said, well, we can't shut
you down, you're a church, youcan do this.
(33:55):
We don't sell anything.
Donations to our church coverseverything we do.
They're like well, they had toleave.
So that really kind of upsetthe FDA, right.
So I learned another thing it'sworking and I didn't start the
church because of that.
Honestly, they, the court andthe newspapers say we start a
(34:18):
fake church, fake church.
I was a missionary 25 years atthat time, training people.
We're not a fake church and thechurch says to take care of
your temple, keep it clean.
That's all we're doing detoxingthe body with something that
the government's pure water,purify water with.
They tell you to drink thewater.
(34:39):
So it didn't make sense to me.
We weren't doing anything wrong.
So after three years, one of theladies that came to our first
seminar, carrie Rivera.
She had an autistic kid doingreally good with covering kids.
After she left she startedrecovering kids.
(34:59):
Everybody that wrote us hadautism or Asperger's, which is
adult.
Send it to Carrie.
So she had a really beautifulhouse in Mexico, puerto Vallarta
.
Jim said Mark, I'm going to gothere, I'm so tired of the
electricity being out all thetime and the internet being so
(35:20):
bad.
She invited me to live there.
I said good, jim, go, becauseyou know what.
I'm going to go to Colombia, Iwant to go down toombia, I want
to go down the amazon, I want todeal with malaria and, uh, I
want to sell the compound and goto colombia.
So we split up, not because ofany problem, because I went to
have mexico a couple times to doseminars and he and I went
(35:43):
around the world, literally,literally all the way to New
Zealand.
We didn't make Asia.
That was our next stop when Igot arrested.
Okay, so he's there.
I'm in Colombia.
I sell the compound.
We use that basically to goaround the world.
(36:03):
We do seven hospitals inColombia.
We had a lot of doctors thatwere really sympathetic to
natural means, so I did seminars.
Doctors would come and then weleft Colombia.
We still live in there, but wewent and did 63 seminars in 19
countries in 10 years.
(36:23):
So now I'm up to 2020.
But before I stop there, I wantto tell you what happened.
Jim wrote his second book withus.
We collaborated togetherbecause we would proofread it,
add things to it, and so thatwas like 2013.
Yeah right, 2000.
(36:43):
Printed it, then he left.
Then I left in 2016.
I wrote a book because now in2016, we had been in, let's just
say, 40 seminars.
We had done over 1,000, 1,500people trained up on how to use
(37:08):
the protocols.
I did a documentary calledQuantum Leap I believe you have
that link and G Edward Griffinrepublished it when we were in
jail, because they took outeverything from us, everything.
They eventually took us offyoutube three million views took
(37:37):
off my podcast called g2 voice.
They took us off of paypal.
Clickbank closed our churchbank accounts.
They even took godaddy, eventook away our domain that we
bought from them.
Okay, everywhere country we wentto, they had in the news media.
These people are coming tellingyou to drink bleach and be
healed of all these things.
(37:58):
It's a lie.
They're scammers.
We just kept going.
We ignored them.
They kicked down the door inengland.
We threw them out because we'rea church.
It was a church meeting.
They left, but I had to thepeople come in their equivalent
of fda called trading standards.
They came in so I taught themwhy and then we threw them out
(38:23):
at the church.
And so we had crazy leaks outto us cnn sky news which is
owned by fox, by the way uh,articles from the wall street
journal I mean, excuse mewashington post, new york times,
the guardian so many newspapersjust lying about us saying
people are dying.
(38:44):
So let me fast forward.
I wrote two more books by 2020,okay, and the guy that watched
one guy that watched I gotdocumentary a guy named jeff.
He put together one in 2020,more detailed because he's been
30 years.
An icu, he was more technical,very good one.
(39:08):
He put me on there also.
But he put it together andthat's been seen, just like
millions of people.
Doctors like it, becauseclinical studies, pictures
before and after, doctorstalking, scientists, chemists
Very well done.
So 2020 comes along.
(39:30):
One of the guys says Mark, Ihave people in the White House
that I know, so give me thosetwo bottles, give me your book,
your first book.
I gave it to him and he got itto Trump.
Okay, that's when Trumpmentioned there's a disinfectant
that can probably cure this.
(39:51):
They're saying really quickly,he said an hour and he called it
a disinfectant.
He didn't really know exactlywhat he was saying, but he said
it Employed Fauci and Dr Burke.
The FDA went wild Big Pharma.
So they sent out a letter to700 individuals, companies.
(40:15):
If you're claiming that you cancure the coronavirus, we're
coming after you.
Cease and desist, or we'regoing to put an injunction on
you.
So they did.
They sent 700 people.
April 7th 2020, I got it and Iwrote them a 35 page letter
(40:36):
saying why we were not going tostop as a church, why we have
the right to come on, why youhave no jurisdiction over a
church.
And, uh, we're going tocontinue on.
So everybody else ran.
We didn't see anybody else keepgoing.
So they gave us a temporaryinjunction.
We didn't go to the courtroombecause these courtrooms are not
(40:59):
constitutional courtrooms.
You can't claim theconstitution in an
administrative court, and that'swhat they all are.
So then they did a temporarythat permanent injunction.
My boys didn't go.
This was america, remember, I'min columbia.
The boys didn't show up.
I wrote another we're notcoming to your fake court there,
(41:21):
we're not coming.
So restaurant was issued and nowlisten, contempt of court to
contempt of court charges andconspiracy to defraud the United
States of America, not thepeople, the United States of
America.
No one was being robbed.
There was no claim that theyharmed me.
(41:44):
We died, my father died,nothing, so conspiracy charges a
joke.
We died, my father died,nothing, so conspiracy charges
are a joke.
We need to get rid of that.
It was set up because of drugdealers.
They could grab them withouthaving much evidence, which
isn't right.
I met guys in jail that weregrabbed.
(42:04):
They said because you mightsell cocaine one day for
arresting you.
They weren't caught withcocaine.
I mean crazy.
So July 8th comes along 2020.
Jordan and Jonathan are raidedat the home church in Bradenton,
(42:24):
florida.
Abc helicopter, us Marshals,epa sheriffs, local police TV
station.
About 12 different agencieswere there.
They raided the church, tookall our computers, which are
church computers, with churchlist of people that are members,
(42:46):
which is it's protected, justlike a doctor and his patient or
a lawyer and his client andthey took all that, took our
phones, took uh money in oursafe.
We didn't have a lot but weused a lot of that to help other
people because we helped a lotof people as a church.
But they left the guns.
(43:06):
The guns were licensed guns.
Okay, you want me to stop there, in case you have other
questions.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You're doing great, I guess.
There's one other detail Ithink is at least especially for
my audience, for people thatappreciate there's a force that
does not want this to come out.
And so you had one story I'veheard you tell where you got a
phone call, I guess while Jimwas with you, from somebody you
called James Bond.
Actually called you twice.
But what I hope to have peoplesee from somebody who's lived it
(43:37):
is how pervasive this idea is.
You even have a chapter in yourbook Imagine a World Without
Disease about the number ofpeople who have come up with or
found genuinely helpful naturalcures or things that
dramatically benefit health andthey just end up dead.
So give people a sense of thesinister nature of that.
What's your estimate for howpervasive that problem is?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, before I tell you that story.
They tried to kill me twice.
They tried to blow up our caron the way to a seminar.
A black suburban is followingus and about six car lengths
back in Arkansas, right.
And as soon as we hear this,what it did was they put
(44:23):
something underneath on the tierod to melt the tie rod.
I can get into detail aboutthat, but immediately the
suburban took off into thedistance, we pulled over, the
tire fell off and we would haveflipped if the tire fell off,
but centrifugal force basicallykept us alive till we could slow
(44:44):
down.
But um, then they poisoned meand brought the way out to
mexico and chlorine dioxidesaved my life.
They poured it down my throatbecause I was completely
paralyzed, couldn't move,couldn't talk, and, uh, they
poured it down my mouth and allthis green stuff came up.
And that's another story that'smore detailed, but it's in my
(45:05):
book Basically a Russian spy,and I know it was because I
cured the person of hepatitis.
Is that crazy?
When I say I cured, I don'tcure anybody Either.
This chlorine dioxide cureanybody.
The body cures itself after youtake the toxins out that are
causing the problem.
(45:26):
So, james Bond okay, jimmy, justgot there, I get this phone
call.
We did have phones in my littleoffice up in the mountain and I
get this phone call.
This guy calls me and says I'dlike to talk to Jim.
I go well, you know I can showhim.
No one gets to him and causehim a problem.
(45:48):
So who is this?
My name is Dr Michael Merring.
I said okay, what do you want?
He goes well, I want to talk toJim.
I said well, he's busy rightnow.
I'm screening all the calls andhe was busy.
I wasn't lying.
And I said what do you got?
He goes.
Okay, who are you?
I said Mark, rennie.
(46:08):
He goes.
Oh, jimmy told me about you.
Nice to meet you.
I appreciate you being therewith him helping him.
I said okay, so what's theproblem we need?
He goes tell Jim this that theVatican Bank is going to go
bankrupt, the Pope's going toresign, a king of Belgium, a
(46:28):
queen of Netherlands is going toresign.
Also, greece is going to.
The banks are going to take 40%of the people's money, spain's
going to collapse economy-wise.
There was a couple other thingsI can't really remember off the
top of my head.
I think about it, but it'sirrelevant.
(46:48):
I said, okay, I'm writing thisstuff down.
Okay, whatever Thought, he waskind of a kooky guy, really Nice
guy.
So I tell Jim later on thatafternoon hey, this guy didn't
talk to Michael Merring.
Michael Merring, really, thisis what he said.
Jim goes.
You know who that guy was?
(47:09):
I go.
No, it's the guy that EonFleming wrote about, called
James Bond.
I know him.
He goes.
What I go.
What did James Bond call me?
He goes.
What I go.
What James Bond called me?
He goes.
Yeah, that's me.
So all those things happen.
Two years later I get anothercall.
Right, hi, mark, this isMichael.
(47:30):
I go.
Yeah, I know who you are, jim,how you doing?
He laughed I go.
Why didn't you tell me you wereJames Bond?
Am I sick and all that crap?
Because I don't really care.
I get away from all that stuffand really want to help mankind.
He was being.
He was involved in getting hateput in africa he basically said
(47:54):
I want to help heal mankind, soI go.
Well, I appreciate that, butappreciate that, but all that
stuff happened, man, that'scrazy.
He goes.
Well, I've been watching youguys for two years now.
This is what I want to do.
We have two bearer bonds totallya number amount of $5 billion
and a bearer bond is.
(48:14):
You know, you got the bearerbond, you can cash it.
Whoever has it, the bearer cancash it.
He goes we're going to go upI'm in Italy, we're going to go
up to Switzerland and we'regoing to cash these in.
Okay, cool, he says we're goingto give you $50 million because
you guys are doing a good job.
(48:35):
We have it.
If you need any more, but takethat as a down payment on what
you guys are doing a good job.
If you need it, we have it.
If you need any more, but takethat as a down payment on what
you guys have been doing, go, go, go, get this done.
Man, I've seen you guys arereally shaking up people.
I said, okay, buddy, sure, andhe basically hung up.
I told Jim two weeks later,three guys are going across the
(49:00):
um italian alps into austria andthere's a gunfight and they're
killed and they got these fakeparabons first of all.
Why would they kill people withfake par?
Anyways, because they weretrying to defend themselves, I
don't know.
They're dead.
And about six weeks after that,michael Merring is killed and
(49:24):
wrote where he was staying in ahotel room.
I'm thinking, man, hopefullythat wasn't because of that
phone call, because our phonesare always tapped Like oh man,
so anyways, that's the story ofjames bond.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah well, it just shows conjecture in there, but
it does show a level of ifyou've been had two attempts on
your own life and there is arich history, as you document in
your book, of a number ofpeople trying to bring out
legitimate cures that just endup dead or in an alley or
completely silenced anddeplatformed, debanked etc.
Like you've been.
It's just somewhat of a wake-upcall to say this is real people
(50:08):
and there are things out therethat help.
But you are going to have to beable to find other sources of
information to get to what worksand do so with some discernment
.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Right, and in my book , I went back 300 years to the
beginning of the pharmaceuticalmedical industry and before that
, christian, what did we do?
Natural means.
Hippocrates said food is yourmedicine and medicine's your
(50:40):
food.
And he cured a lot of peoplewith raw milk and raw honey.
Yeah, I drink raw milk.
I got in my refrigerator.
Right now I drink raw milkalmost every day.
It really, really is good foryou.
The bible says if you'reblessed of god, your nation will
flow with milk and honey.
So Hippocrates was just doingwhat the Bible said.
(51:02):
So let me fast forward, becauseI know time's slipping away here
.
Go for it.
So my boys get arrested 30 dayslater.
Well, I call as soon as I heardthat.
I call.
His wife calls me.
I call the embassy.
Really, I call the sheriff.
They wouldn't talk to me inManatee County, which they're
(51:24):
supposed to be representing, theConstitution Sheriff have more
power than the president intheir own country County, excuse
me.
So they said call the embassy.
I call the embassy.
Talk to us.
Module, listen, they justkidnapped my kids.
What do you mean?
Yeah, the us governmentbombarded justice.
(51:45):
You guys just can't kidnap mysons.
They're missionaries.
Well, where do you live?
Took my phone number where Ilived and 30 days later they
kick in the door and 6 am in themorning they take me away and
go to Bogota, colombia.
(52:06):
They paid a million bucks tokeep me and my sons in Colombia.
Why, well, I believe they didn'twant us on the TV, on the radio
, although I was from Columbia,I was doing interviews and they
wanted you not to have a speedytrial so it'd be publicized
(52:27):
because we get arrest.
There was papers all over theworld.
We got the scammers that peopleclaiming they're curing COVID.
I've not got COVID.
The scammers they're sayingthey're curing AIDS and malaria.
So they didn't want us on TVand in fact, they wouldn't even
(52:52):
let reporters come to the jail.
I asked the warden hey, we havethe right to be interviewed.
No, no, you don't.
Oh, that's pretty sick.
You're supposed to have freedomof speech even in jail.
No, you lost all your rights.
Really, I couldn't vote.
They don't even let me vote nowon probation.
Wow, isn't that sick.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
So I spent two years there.
But in Columbia I've got theywant to give me two life
sentences.
They said and conspiracy, twolife sentences, conspiracy, five
years, conspiracy, contempt ofcourt, two life consecutive
sentences which you only get sixmonths or a year.
(53:33):
So you tell me, zach, what?
Speaker 1 (53:37):
are they doing?
Speaker 2 (53:37):
to me Was this judge, you know, set up to come after
us.
No one ever gets that.
But because I was with all thedrug dealers and they became my
friends because I was treatingthem every day 40 to 50 guys
with chlorine dioxide, webrought it in.
We treated people.
I got pictures of me theretreating people.
(54:00):
They liked me.
They were billionaires, a lotof them, and, um, they liked me.
I get this, even share the wordof god with many of them,
really all of them, because whenthey got treated I had some
bible literature and I'd give itto them.
So after two years theyDepartment of Justice says we're
(54:22):
going to bring them in.
If they spent a million bucks,you want to bring them in for
trial?
Okay.
So Columbia says you're notbringing anybody, we're not even
going to exercise.
In fact, we're going to letthem go because we don'tite
anybody that has a life sentenceor a death penalty.
(54:42):
What so?
They drop the contempt charges.
That's how important they are.
Okay, we'll drop those.
Boom, I'm on a private jet withthe biggest drug dealers in
Columbia Private jet three ofthem.
One of them was my, the biggestone was my sell me.
So we get there, they stretchit out.
(55:05):
They send me to different partsof the country.
I was at first in Miami with mysons.
Then they say you'reincompetent.
Then she goes no, you're not.
Then they say, yeah, you are,we're going to send you to fort
worth, texas, but three nightsstop to extend the trial.
They did as much as they coulduntil july 20th, july 17th, 2023
(55:29):
.
They said, okay, we're going tohave a trial now.
We're going to pick the jurynext tuesday.
We didn't have any lawyers.
We're defending ourselvesourselves.
She didn't want us to.
She appointed us lawyers.
You're not defending yourself.
Yes, we are.
It's a constitutional right.
Get out of here.
Lawyers, don't even sit next tous.
(55:50):
You're not our lawyers.
We're not accepting you becauseyou have to sign to accept them
.
Nope, so she goes.
Really, she's the chief justice.
Her name is Cecilia Artonaga.
She committed treason and manyother things against us In the
prosecution Homer and Shipleyfederal prosecutors.
(56:12):
They completely raped theConstitution and disregarded it.
Put it that way.
So she goes.
We for starting the trial.
At every hearing, we have ourbible.
We're preaching, quotingsupreme court decisions.
She doesn't listen to any of it.
She even said to me I don'tcare what the constitution says.
(56:34):
I said you're telling me,according to article 6 of the
Constitution, you're supposed tohave an oath or affirmation to
support the Constitution.
Can you show me that?
She just looked at me like acalf looking at a new gate or a
deer, and she wouldn't answer.
(56:54):
I said well, let the recordreflect that the judge is done
response.
I asked her again.
She wouldn't answer.
I said well, let the recordreflect that the judge is
non-responsive.
I asked her again.
She wouldn't answer me.
I had someone check it out.
There's no record of her everdoing an oath or affirmation, as
federal judging is supposed to.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
That's just one thing .
That could be a whole podcastepisode unto itself.
When you unpack that, that's aheck of a different way.
Like most, people do not knowhow to stand on their
constitutional rights or how topigeonhole the judge into making
sure that they will honor theConstitution, or, by their
silence, and in some ways agreethat that's what it is.
(57:33):
So, anyway, I would love tounpack that, but keep going with
your story.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Okay, so it's dry we say we will not participate then
in this trial, unless we have aseventh amendment trial by jury
under common law you're gonnahave a trial.
No, we're not.
We're not gonna participateunless it's under common law,
because we need a viable claimpresent that we harmed another
(57:58):
man, a woman, not a government.
You can't cut, you can't harm acorporation, a man, a woman
that we've harmed, just likedeuteronomy 19 says bring him
forth, never brought him forth,because if you're not bringing
him forth we will notparticipate.
We didn't chose the jury, shechose them all.
(58:18):
So you can imagine they stackedit with pharmaceutical people,
law people, nurses, lawofficials, all kinds of people
like that.
Last of the day, they did notshow any exculpatory evidence,
which is they have to show stuffin favor for us.
(58:41):
Didn't show any.
And just as the jury's gettingready to deliberate, she goes.
Her instructions do notconsider the First Amendment, I
haven't written it out.
I haven't written it out.
It's on file.
They're not considering theFirst Amendment in this case.
They're trying to come up witha verdict.
(59:04):
So they left 15 minutes later.
They came back, guilty in allcounts, 15 minutes, right, okay,
talk about a setup, talk aboutbeing railroaded.
This railroad, this traindidn't even leave the station.
They went out 15 minutes laterback, and so I was guilty of the
(59:25):
only one they had leftconspiracy to commit fraud which
we didn't, to defraud theUnited States of America five
years.
The boys didn't have theconspiracy charges dropped, so
they got five years plus another91 months for contempt of court
.
That's why they're still injail and I'm out with my son,
(59:48):
joseph, and so they got anappeal.
Some public defender the headone saw all this and said I'll
take the case and he wrote an1100 page appeal but it could
take up to two years.
So we want a pardon from Trump.
Yeah, understandably, because wedid nothing wrong whatsoever.
(01:00:09):
I don't know if I gave you theletter from Trump.
Did I give you that letter?
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I think so I'll put all this stuff in the show
notes.
So you guys, if you want to godeeper and look at all that,
you'll have the link.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
People can send that in.
They can send that in on behalfof the Groning family to Trump,
to Bondi, to Kennedy.
But so, in a nutshell, bro,that's what happened and it's
real.
It's real.
The powers that be do not wantus to have chlorine dioxide
(01:00:40):
called by NASA the universalantidote.
Nasa called it that becausewhen they used chlorine dioxide
on petri dishes againstillnesses, it took care of all
of them.
They said it's a universalantidote.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, right.
Well, one more thing I want youto highlight, just so the
listener can have a little morecontext for how egregiously you
were treated.
Tell them about the prisonconditions and what was done to
you and how you almost died inprison.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah well, it's horrible.
I'll have to tell you, though,in Columbia it wasn't horrible.
Being losing your freedom ishorrible.
They let my wife come in everytwo weeks visit for the whole
day alone.
So we had conjugal visits.
The guys would provide steak,shrimp, we had chips.
It was like something you'd seein the movies, but we couldn't
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leave.
We had weightlifting places.
Columbia was okay If you hadmoney, and I had money, because
the guys gave me everything Ineeded.
So America, miami federaldetention center is this I won't
say hell, because hell ishorrible.
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It was purgatory.
Okay, it was a purgatorialplace.
We could strip search all thetime.
Buy.
A lot of homosexuals wouldstrip search us is a
procuratorial place.
We get strip shirts all thetime.
Why A lot of homosexuals wouldstrip search us.
The food on the boxes it saysnot fit for human consumption.
Bro People, they wouldn't takecare of you.
(01:02:12):
The doctors, if you were sick,maybe would go see the doctor.
Only if you really screamed andcried but you had a bad tooth,
you're going to be in pain for awhile.
All that will do is pull it.
You might wait six weeks Bad.
So I was supposed to be let outbecause of this program they had
(01:02:34):
.
I was going to get let out evenbefore joe, about two months
after they sentenced us to 2023,and I was all psyched because I
was going to get up, startfighting for the boys right, and
doing what we're doing rightnow doing interviews.
So the day before, maybe a weekbefore, they said, uh, once in
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a week was a was a few days, itwas getting packed, mr Grannon,
we do.
We got rid of that program.
Like what?
How can you just get rid of it?
You're headquarters of theBureau of Presidents, told me
I'm eligible, you can lie intome.
Ah well, you're not going, wedon't care, okay.
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So my boys, that's the onlything that's good about Miami
we're all together, two in eachroom, but we stay together, me
and my sons, we cook together.
We had to pay a lot of money tobuy commissary, owned by the
Bush family, get that one.
So we buy tuna and I reallyhate tuna, but I learned to eat
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it in prison because family Getthat one, right.
So we buy, you know, tuna and Ireally hate tuna, but I learned
to eat it in prison becauseit's real protein.
We'd cook it in our sinks forhot water, make like a macaroni
with tuna.
We had to get some cheese, someolive oil.
Anyways, we did okay, somewhat,but the food they gave us
horrible.
So what happened?
That day or soon thereafter Iwent.
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The bible even says hopedeferred make it the heart sick.
That's exactly what happened tome.
I had this hope, this thingthat I'm gonna go get out.
Boom, and the valve in my heart,the mitral valve in my heart,
ruptured Just like flapping inthe wind.
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It's supposed to be stompingthe blood.
This was like this.
It was regurgitating, they callit.
I blew up like the Michelin man.
My stomach, my legs, I wasslurred.
It was horrible, couldn'tbreathe, put pressure.
I'm saying I need to talk tothe doctor.
Yeah, you'll be okay.
No, I may have to tell you Ican't breathe.
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And it got worse.
It was last about six weeks.
The last two weeks I wassuffering.
Joe, my son was up top bunk.
He got dead.
He said I can't breathe, john.
Finally I pushed the emergencybutton.
They come over.
What's wrong?
You're not having a heartattack?
I said I think I am my heart'sat 175.
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I didn't know what it was,dying, but I said it feels like
it's coming out of my chest.
I can't breathe.
They're like God.
They brought me to the doctorand the doctor's like, hey,
you're going to die.
Call the ambulance.
So they rushed me to JacksonMemorial Hospital.
When I got there, the emergencydoctor said why'd you wait so
long?
I said I haven't been waiting.
(01:05:26):
The jail wouldn't bring me here.
They wouldn't even doctorwouldn't even see me.
I wrote the doctor too.
I got those emails.
Now he goes, well, we'll takecare of you.
So they did an echocardiogramFirst.
They stopped my heart and theyredid it.
They restarted it.
It set the rhythm again, itwent back to normal, but I still
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blowed it up.
And so the echocardiogram theygo.
That's the problem.
Right there I'm looking at itInside my heart.
That valve is just flapping.
So they go.
We got to do open-heart surgery.
Like what?
I feel good, I'm liftingweights.
You know, before I got thathappened, we were working out
every day.
We were strong.
(01:06:10):
My boys are doing one-armpull-ups.
I mean, no one screwed me, notbecause, not because of our
preaching the gospel.
I had three bodyguards my sons,but no one really were friendly
with everybody.
We were in the chapel.
We never had a problem.
But you could.
If you were alone you couldhave a problem.
(01:06:31):
So, anyways, they did theopen-eyed surgery the open like
a lobster as they say in Bostonand it took a recovery.
It's been a year now, as ofFebruary, and it was a recovery.
I had to learn to walk again.
I went down 135 pounds.
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I was skin and bones.
Now, I hate to say it, I'm 195.
But I feel good Riding my bike.
I'm doing push-ups, I'mdrinking raw milk, eating steaks
, I'm eating the stuff I tellpeople to eat to build their
nutrition in their body.
And so that's my story, bro.
(01:07:17):
And we're begging people, beg,you know, really sincerely
asking please get this letter,send it in.
The addresses are there, justfill it out, put a little cover
letter on behalf of the Gretchenfamily Envelope, send it off.
And please, because we'reasking people, trump, president
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Trump, kennedy, bondi, help us.
We didn't do anything wrong,nothing wrong.
We've been missionaries.
Not one of us has a recordwhatsoever.
Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
They didn't even give us leniency First offender,
Nothing bro.
They gave us the max ofeverything.
Yeah, you get in the crosshairsof the wrong people and there's
a different justice system thatthey put you into and it's not
got the word justice in it.
It's just a system and you fellinto it.
So they demonetized you.
(01:08:12):
I think they stopped socialsecurity payments.
They basically just tried tobankrupt you completely.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Yep social security.
I finally got it back aboutNovember because I've been a
missionary A few months being amissionary.
I don't get my social securitybecause I didn't pay taxes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So we have a gifts and go site that generous people
around the world have given toand basically every month,
almost to the penny, it takescare of all the needs of us in
jail, as well as the families.
Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So if any of you listening areinclined to be helpful, to give
them the Give Send, Go where togo on there, if you know it by
heart.
Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Otherwise I'll just put it in the show notes yeah,
it's a wwwgivesendgocom, all oneword, givesendgocom, forward
slash capital G nine, capital A,capital T nine, g nine, a T
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nine and, like you said, youhave a link right.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
I will amplify this everywhere I can because it is
egregious what has happened toyou and you have done nothing
but God's work, trying to helpand heal literally I don't know
how.
I mean, I don't think it's anexaggeration to say millions of
people have been helped.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, millions have been helped and it's incredible
what's happened to us, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
People can also get your books as well, right, they
can get those online.
Yeah, I sent you the link.
Okay, so we'll get you links toget his books and you can also
contribute to him that way.
But anything you can do, pleaseamplify this, please share this
episode, help this story getout so much that they cannot
make it go away, because if wedo not stand up against things
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like this, then we're next.
So please, whoever is out there, do your part.
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
We'll say this one last thing Many, many men came
to know the Lord by us being injail, so God wanted us in the
prison ministry for a while.
That's all I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Right, you and Paul and Peter and many others.
It's just part of the life, sowe'll talk more about this.
If you think this was a whopperepisode, wait till you hear
what we have to say next.
The amount of stuff he'sexperienced as a missionary will
blow your mind.
So to wrap this one up, is blowyour mind.
Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
So to wrap this one up, is there anything else you
want to leave the listener with?
Before we wrap?
Pray for us people, please.
If you're a praying person,pray, pray and pay attention.
Get the books, because this cansave your life or someone you
know, I don't care what it is.
If you learn the protocols,which is simple, this can save
your life and restore yourhealth from any illness.
Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yep, all right.
Well, mark, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
It's such an honor to have you,and I'm eager to amplify this,
so we will talk again soon.
Thank you, christian.
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 51.
My guest today is a livinglegend, mr Mark Grennan.
Mark has such a fascinatingstory that we needed two
episodes to chronicle the lifethis man has lived and do our
best really to capture it forposterity.
So, as you'll hear me say inthe episode, mark's story
reminds me of a combination of aJames Bond movie and the New
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Testament book of Acts.
It is remarkable what he haslived through, including
multiple attempts on his life,swat team raids, censorship,
debanking, deplatforming,withheld medical care, delayed
trials, unjust imprisonment andthe removal of his social
security benefits.
And that doesn't count thestories he tells in the next
episode.
So what we focused on in thisepisode is the story of his work
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as a medical missionary, howthat led him to discover
chlorine dioxide and eventuallybe thrown in prison with two of
his sons for refusing to stopteaching people how to use
chlorine dioxide to heal.
So for context, mark haspersonally helped thousands of
people heal from some of themost devastating diseases known
to man using chlorine dioxide.
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And Mark also has the picturesand stories to back up what I
just said.
So I'll have a link for youwhere you can see those pictures
in the show notes.
So, in case you are unfamiliarwith chlorine dioxide, I've
covered that topic fromdifferent angles in episodes 16,
18, 45, and 46.
What's unique about Mark's storyis that he is a perfect example
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of a very uncomfortable reality, namely this there are those in
power who not only wish to harmhumanity, but they are willing
to commit genocide to protecttheir power.
So until somebody canmetabolize that evil like that
is alive and active and inpositions of power, you can't
see reality for what it is.
So if you heard episode number35 with Sally Saxon, you may
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remember her and I talking abouthow power hungry people have no
red line.
There is nothing that is offlimits, and Mark's story is a
perfect example of the lengthsthose in power will go to to
make sure nothing threatenstheir interests.
Yeah, I think his story is alsoan inspiring story of hope and
resilience and what it means toface evil and not lose your
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humanity or the will to fight.
Now that he is freshly out ofprison, mark is on a mission to
accomplish a few big things.
First is to get his two sonsout of prison, one of which has
never met his four-year-old son.
Second is to help spread theword about chlorine dioxide.
Third is to expose the riggedjustice system that disregards
the US Constitution, similar towhat happened with the January
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6th debacle.
And fourth, to share themessage of the gospel with
anyone who will listen.
Those are the things that beatin his heart.
An interesting crossroads for mewith this episode is that when
I first learned about chlorinedioxide back in 2021, all I
could find on the internet wasall the propaganda to defame
Mark and basically try to scarethe crap out of anyone to keep
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them away from it.
And Mark is one of the keyfigures whose story explains why
the search engines arecompletely useless now when it
comes to researching anythingabout health, all you will find
is the clanging gong of themedical echo chamber, curated to
point you away from what worksand instead keep you on the
medical conveyor belt for life.
Friends, in case you do notknow it, organic search is dead.
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If you don't know where to goto get real health guidance, you
will have a really hard timefinding solid answers on the
internet, and today's thoughtleaders and innovators don't
show up on the search engine.
And Mark is one of thecountless voices who the powers
that be have tried to silence.
Fortunately for him and thoseof us who can learn from him.
The Colombian government kepthim from being put in prison for
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life, which is what the USgovernment was trying to do.
Now Mark is out of jail and heis fearless, and it was an honor
to interview him.
In the next episode, he and Iwill talk more about his faith
journey, but for this episode,let Mark be an example to you of
how fragile our freedoms areand why we need more of us to be
vocal to stand up for them.
The more of us who spread thismessage, the harder it will be
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for it to be suppressed.
So I hope this episode inspiresyou.
It certainly inspired me, andif you have the means to donate
to Mark to help him make endsmeet, please do.
He is one of the true good guysand he would greatly appreciate
your support.
So I will have links for you inthe show notes where you can
find his books and his Give SendGo page.
So I will have links for you inthe show notes where you can
find his books and his Give SendGo page.
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Okay, without further ado, hereis my interview with the
faithful, fearless and humbleMark Grennan.
Okay, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
It is my honor to have Mr MarkGrennan join me on the show
today.
Mark has been a missionary for47 years, including being a
pilot, in Haiti, the DominicanRepublic and Colombia, and to me
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his life story feels like acombination of a James Bond
movie and the New Testament bookof Acts.
It is remarkable whatexperience this man has had, so
much so that we're going to needtwo episodes just to
effectively scratch the surface.
So in this episode, we're goingto talk about Mark's really
jaw-dropping story of learninghow to help people heal
physically.
And back in 2006, out of adesperate need to find something
to help himself and his familyheal from a deadly flesh-eating
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bacteria called MRSA, mark tookto the Internet back in the days
when you could still get goodhealth information online, and
he came across Jim Humble's workwith what at the time was
called Miracle MineralSupplement, or what today is
known as chlorine dioxide, andthat forever changed the course
of his life in many dramaticways.
So, mark, thank you for takingthe time.
It's an honor to have you.
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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's a wonderful blessing you take the time out
to let us share our story.
It really is Not just for getour story out so people can know
what's happened to us andhopefully get a pardon from
Trump.
That's the main reason.
But the secondary reason is tobe healed, not be tied to a
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system that will just treatsymptoms and keep you sick.
It's like the car salesman youknow he wants you to buy a car
and the car manufacturers makethem so they break down.
Right, they break, so they usedto love.
I have a 1982 Toyota LandCruiser in Colombia and it runs
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like a top.
I have a 2005 Honda CR-V runslike a top.
I don't like Ducats.
They don't last as long.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, something called planned obsolescence in
there, yeah, I get it.
So all right, well, let me see,I've listened to a few of your
interviews and so I know you'repretty much the type of guest
who can just interview himself.
So I'll do my best to just teeyou up and get out of the way.
But before we get to the storyof MRSA and chlorine dioxide,
talk to us about two things.
So, first, how did you get intothe work of becoming a medical
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missionary?
And two, when did you becomeskeptical of the medical
industrial complex and reallysee it for what it is?
I'll answer the second questionfirst.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You hear my voice.
It's from the 1976 swine fluvaccine.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It paralyzed the left side of my throat and I had
some doctors coming down.
They did a surgery, put aprosthesis in it, because this
one was dead, say, and this onewouldn't be the one moving, so
this it had to stretch too far.
So they pushed this one out, sothis one doesn't strain so much
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, and so that was from a vaccine.
So because of that, 50 peopledied, 500 got the Gillian-Barr
syndrome that they know of.
And that's what really paralyzedmy vocal cord.
I didn't know about it until 20years later, but they settled
$5 billion.
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I didn't get any of it becauseI didn't know about it, but that
made me skeptical.
I never vaccinated my kids.
I have eight children, that'swell.
That's kind of a lie, because Ithink I did three of them the
what do you call it?
The tetanus shot to go toAfrica as a missionary.
(08:23):
I don't know why they had us dothat, but I think I did that
one.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, so you've been skeptical of pharma since 1976,
and that was kind of yourawakening.
That was when I was born, soyou've been aware of this a lot
longer than I have.
So well done, okay.
Well then, talk about how didyou get into the work of
becoming a medical missionaryAfter?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
maybe we can talk about this next second with the
details of it.
But after I got thrown out ofAfrica, nigeria because we had
100,000 people on our Biblecourse in Nigeria and I was
living there, we started threechurches in three years.
We started a Bible Instituteand because so many Muslims were
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coming to us, the Muslimgovernment basically said get
out of here, you're not gettingyour new.
Well, they didn't say it thatway.
They did not renew my visa,which there was no reason for it
, so I had to leave Nigeriaafter three years and I didn't
know where to go.
I didn't want to go back to thechurch I outfound and work and
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pastor.
It's going good because the guytaking over.
It's not good.
If a guy comes back in thepicture, he's the pastor.
So I ended up in South Carolina,columbia not Columbia, south
America, but Columbia, southAmerica, south Carolina and the
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pastor was a instructor, a pilot, crazy guy, vietnam pilot man.
I didn't even know if I wantedto learn from this guy, but I
learned how to fly an airplane.
But he asked me one day he goesMark, I need help down in Haiti
, the Caribbean, turks andCaicos and I need someone that's
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free, like you, to be amissionary down there.
I'll teach you how to fly anairplane free, but you're going
to need an airplane because youhave to island hop.
I said, okay, long story short,to fly an airplane free, but
you're going to need an airplanebecause you have to island hop.
I said, okay, all right, longstory short, this is kind of
funny.
But uh, I had no airplane.
So I went, I hit the roadraising money for an airplane.
(10:36):
The bastards would ask me whydo you need an airplane?
Are you a pilot?
I don't know well, why do youneed it?
But because to what a pilot Igo?
No, well, why do you need anairplane?
Because it's what I'm going tobe doing.
I want to buy the airplane,learn in the airplane, then I'm
going to be flying and then I'llleave.
So I didn't raise much moneybecause they didn't really like
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that.
You're not a pilot.
Well, what about if you fail?
But one church in Great Falls,montana, I preached one night
about David and Goliath, davidhaving Goliath's sword dropped
back in his hands years after hekilled him, and the whole altar
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was full.
I mean, I still love thatmessage to myself, never mind
preaching it.
But that night they raised allthe money for the airplane.
Wow, so it was 20 grand.
They raised it, boom, got theairplane.
So I cut my mission raisingsupport Short.
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Went back to South Carolina.
Started learning how to fly thatairplane, okay, so I was going
to Haiti.
Well, haiti was bad.
They were just getting ready toinvade Remember when the
Americans invaded in the 90s andit was really hard to live
there as a missionary.
So I went across the borderinto the Dominican Republic,
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about an hour from the border ofHaiti, and I didn't know any
Spanish.
I knew all the burrito adios.
I didn't know any Spanish, so Ijust started.
This is if you ever want tolearn Spanish or really any
language.
I learned this phrase.
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How do you say that you knowlike, learned this phrase.
How do you say that you knowlike I hold this.
How do you say this?
How do you say that?
And they'd say vaso, okay, vaso, vaso, vaso, vaso, vaso.
And I just started speaking oneword, two word sentences.
You know, I built up myvocabulary, so God blessed me.
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We sent people to the know.
I build in my vocabulary, soGod bless we.
We, uh, some people to Lord.
I showed movies in Spanishbecause I couldn't speak Spanish
.
The one I used the most was theBurning Hell.
Oh, rude movie done in the 60s.
I mean, you talk about zero,zero, um.
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What do you call it when youhave um?
You know what's the word?
I can't even think in englishsometimes.
You know, when you have, uh,special effects, okay, zero
special effects, I mean verycrude, right, it was like
watching a play, but man, didpeople really sit up and take
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notice of that?
And so we built, I got a bunchof guys together and some ladies
and I started a Bible Instituteat church.
I'd say within a year we hadfour or five guys learning the
Bible and I said to myself I go,you know what we really need?
We need people from America tocome and visit a third world
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country.
I lived in the DominicanRepublic, up in the mountains it
was third world in shacks.
The average family was rich ifthey had a two room shack,
otherwise just one room.
They ate, they slept, you know.
Obviously they used thebathroom outside in an outhouse
that they made.
I wanted people to see it andsee how friendly the people were
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, because in Africa these peoplehad nothing, bro, nothing.
Anybody be singing songs,whatever they had, they'd give
you.
And I saw the same thing in theDominican Republic.
I'm like this is what peopleneed.
They need a shock, especiallyteenagers, you know.
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And, to make a long story short, in about five years a lot of
groups started coming downbecause I knew a lot of pastors
and youth groups, church groups.
Then a couple years, goingmedical teams I mean big ones.
We had up to 100 people comeand I was building a dormitory
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but it was taking time.
So we'd rent the hotel anddowntown and we had probably, on
the average, 16 to 20 weeks outof the year, medical teams,
surgeons, dentists, pharmacists,and we'd go triage people up in
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the mountains.
My boys would help me becauseby then we were getting
proficient in Spanish and they'dbring them down to the town
where the hospital was andthey'd let us use the operating
rooms.
They loved American doctors andwhat we did.
First we made sure thepoliticians and the big people
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in the town if they need anyoperations, their family was
first, because we we were stilltrying to find people that
needed it, but we knew we tookcare of the mayor, the head of
the police and everything elsetheir families.
You know, minor injury, uh,surgeries and stuff.
A lot of kids have umbilicalhernias.
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That's how I got into themedical.
They wanted me because of mylanguage ability to work in the
hospitals.
Literally, I was a surgicalassistant.
They even let me cut peopleopen.
I stitched people.
I mean I did held them gutsopen.
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I stitched people.
I mean I did Held them Cutsopen.
I did everything, literally Toone point.
After about five, six years,we're eating lunch and some guys
that were finishing up theirinternship were eating lunch.
They go.
So, mark, where did you go toschool?
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I go.
I did what you know surgery.
Well, I'm just practicingmedicine, like you guys are
gonna do, just practicing.
These guys are good teachersand I practiced maybe 20 weeks
out of the year, been doing itfor about six years.
Oh, they were like shocked howhow could you do this?
That's the kind of stuff youcould do in a third world
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country.
I wouldn't have done it myself,but with expert surgeons, of
course.
They taught me.
I had a dental chip.
I pulled hundreds of teeth,stitched them up, stitched
people up when they got cut.
So I had a pharmacy in my house.
So that's how I got intoworking with medical people and
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that's when I contracted MRSA.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, all right.
Well, yeah, so that's greatbackground on how you kind of
just became, on the missionfield, known for helping people
with their health.
And so then fast forward.
I think it's 2006, was it?
You and your family contractMRSA, so tell people one what
that is, what the prognosis is,and then how that led you to
find Jim Humble and chlorinedioxide.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, most people get MRSA, which stands for
mesosilin, which is basically atype of penicillin resistant
staphylococcus aureum.
So you you're basically it'sresistant to any kind of better
ceiling and that's what they usefor a lot of bacterial
infections, right so, and it'sfleshy.
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There's no cure.
They would just eat away theskin.
Then it go further and further,getting your blood.
You gotta cut it immediately.
A boil would be created, plushorrible looking, and I have
eight children.
We got it from the hospital andit spread through the family.
So now I'm dealing with this,I'm telling the doctors I had
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the latest and greatestantibiotics that these doctors
could find.
They even used them in surgerytime-released.
We had Keflexin, rocephin.
We had injectable ones.
We had time-released capsules.
Nothing touched it.
And Marcia got worse to thepoint where, after a year or so
(19:01):
of having it, my son was on hisleg, had a really bad boil, and
the doctor came to me and said,mark, we're probably gonna have
to cut that out.
Um, and if it doesn't workwhich most time it doesn't we'll
have to amputate his leg tosave his life because it'll get
all through his body.
(19:21):
Over a hundred thousand peopledie a year from mercy.
So I'm like whoa.
So we tried everythingpharmaceutical-wise.
I told my son John we got to dosomething and we got to really
start praying.
All right, we're alreadypraying, but we got to pray
harder because this is whatthey'll have to do and he goes
(19:42):
Dad, no way I'll go see Jesusbefore you cut my leg off.
And he was playing baseballwith the Seattle Mariners farm
team in the Dominican Republic.
So he's thinking, man, I wantto go on and become a
professional baseball player.
He was really good and I don'twant my kid to have one leg.
(20:03):
So, as a father and for myself,I had it bad.
I got on the internet Dial-upback then, because where I was,
we were up in the hills.
I ran a line a mile up the hillto have dial-up.
(20:25):
Okay, so I get on.
We dug wells for people, we, weimproved the whole neighborhood
, but I um got on there.
It pops this book that youalready mentioned, uh, miracle
mineral supplement of the 21stcentury by jim humble.
I man, I believe in miracles.
(20:47):
You know, I've prayed and we'veprayed in churches and seen
people healed Not miraculouslyerased the dead.
But you know, like to go backinto operating on the cancer.
The cancer's gone or thingslike that, but not to say God
can't do those other things.
But I hadn't personally seenanybody raised from the dead or
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the blind see.
But I have seen people recoverfrom deathly things.
So I'm like Dad, this sounds toosnake oil-ish to me.
Humble miracle, this guy's ascammer.
So I ignored the book.
Book came back two weeks laterbecause it's getting worse.
(21:31):
Type in it again.
Up comes that book.
I'm like all right, all right,lord, I'm praying, I'm gonna
check it out.
He offered the first book, firsthalf of the book, free, so I
got it.
Read it.
I'm you know this doesn'treally sound like snake oil.
He's not asking for any money.
So that's usually the first.
(21:52):
You know key, it's snake oil.
You're asking for money.
He's over in Africa giving itaway, helping people and have
all these results Malaria beingthe first one, 100% of the time
being cured, and that's thenumber one killer in the history
of mankind MRSA.
So then he's finding out he'scuring cancer, diabetes, aids,
(22:17):
mrsa, infections, intestinalproblems, vaginal problems, all
kinds of things.
And so I got the second half ofthe book read it real quick.
I'm getting this stuff, lord, Ithink you maybe sent this guy
to me.
So I ordered this stuff and wehad a missionary plane.
(22:37):
I didn't have my plane with meat the time.
We had a missionary plane comein.
Another missionary wasborrowing my plane so they would
come into Santo Domingo bringour mail and I was waiting About
every two weeks.
I'm waiting as soon as thatmail came.
I ran to the Capitol two and ahalf hours, got it Started doing
(23:00):
it Because I didn't want togive it to my kids.
They killed my kids, I don'tknow, so I'll sacrifice.
I started drinking it.
It was the protocols then weredifferent than they are now.
It was pretty strong.
You get a little diarrhea anduh, so you naturally back down
on the strength.
That's what I had to do,especially with my little kids.
(23:23):
But in one week, christian, oneweek, it dried up.
Two weeks you couldn't eventell I had this big boil size of
a baseball gone and I'm like,wow, so obviously I start giving
it to my kids and it starts thesame thing happening with them.
So I tell them, the doctorsstill coming down, uh, hey, look
(23:47):
what happened what?
No, I look.
No, well, they look it up, stayaway from me.
Like, why me?
Why would I stay away from it?
Because the fda they had a bigfarmer it's.
It's a poison.
Well, I guess this poison curedme then I'm not staying away
from it.
It's drying up on my kids too.
(24:08):
Basically, all the doctors ran.
They stopped coming to me andthey were Christian guys, love
God.
They just kind of stoppedsupporting me.
Things started coming weirdLike whoa, with this stuff
called chlorine dioxide miraclemineral supplement, mms.
(24:31):
This is pretty controversial.
So I'm a controversial guy.
I start using it, say, okay,look at your doctors, I'm going
to start using it everywhere Igo as a missionary and I started
curing AIDS, diabetes, cancer,elephantitis, dengue fever,
(24:52):
chicken guna.
All kinds of infections werehealing quick.
So I'm like man.
After two years of doing that,we opened a website called MMS
for Hispaniola that's the islandof Haiti in Dominican Republic
(25:14):
and I started having people callme.
I was getting the naturalingredients, two natural
ingredients sodium chloride, notchloride salt.
This was a mineral saltchloride and citric acid or
hydrochloric acid, which is inyour stomach.
Citric acid was a little roughon you, so we switched to
(25:35):
hydrochloric acid 4%.
You know, you can put it rightin your mouth.
It's weak.
So I write, jim.
I write Jim Wild how thishappened.
I write Jim about my experience, because he had an email in his
book Go Jim, this is what I'vebeen doing, thank you for your
(25:56):
book, thank you for showing mehow to heal my family, but this
is what's coming out of it.
He writes me back and about ithe goes wow, mark, that's
wonderful, because you're in adifferent culture, different
side of the earth, differentpeople and you're having the
exact same doubts, same resultsI'm having when you use a
(26:18):
protocol consistently.
I said, yep, so it's happening.
He goes keep in touch, buddy.
This is great.
It's growing around the world.
A lot of people buy my book.
Okay, cool, all right.
Another year goes by.
I'll never forget Me, and myboys are saying you need to take
this around the world with thegospel Because we can be like
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the apostles.
We can heal people.
Not instantaneously Soundspretty quick, like malaria
within 4 hours really.
We did videos about it andeverything.
We did blood tests before andafter, but some things I
abscessed 2 hours.
I'm saying quick.
(27:02):
Some things take a month or two.
So let's take it around theworld.
Let's stop praying.
So me and my boys start prayingand, um, it's september 2019,
so I'm gonna write jim well, wecould sell the compound, sell it
to another mission and we'll goto africa.
(27:23):
Kind of work with him at first,show him some of the stuff
we've been doing and we'll endup taking it around the world.
And I write him that he writesback within a day, next day,
mark, do not sell your compa.
I just got out of jail in Malawi.
(27:45):
They threw me in jail for twoweeks.
I had to pay $5,000, which isabout $50,000 to us in Africa,
$5,000.
And they let me out.
But they also, the government,notified other countries and
basically threw me out of Africa.
So I have to go somewhere.
(28:06):
Can I come to you?
Sure, jim, yeah, when youcoming, give me three months.
He sends me he doesn't know mefrom Adam's house, cat right.
And he sends me $25,000 andsays make me a place where I can
live, where I can have airconditioning, I can study
(28:28):
because I'm going to startwriting a second book and give
me internet access, which we hadto get, a satellite dish, and
even that didn't work good.
So four or three months later,january 2010, jim Humble is
living with us.
I mean, that's a miracle, rightthere.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think earlier you said 2019.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So you probably meant 2009.
Did I say 19?
Yeah, I always do that 2009,.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I started praying 2010.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, Okay, Keep going.
No, you're doing great.
Thank you for keeping thatstraight.
Yeah, 2009, because some thingshappened in 2019.
Get that in my head too.
2009, we started praying.
It came in 2010.
And immediately he said listen,I want to start seminars, I
want to train people.
(29:23):
This will be an internationaltraining institute for all
things, chlorine dioxide, mms.
Like okay, jim, well, let'sstart a church.
I haven't got a mission yet,but let's start.
You know, you got christianscience.
You got um, what's the one?
(29:44):
Scientology?
You've got other places thatare spiritual and they kind of
dabble with even the Seventh-dayAdventists Talk about health,
and you know, and all of usshould.
You know, I said let's startone.
We'll call it Genesis 2 ofHealth and Healing.
(30:04):
Genesis 2 Church of Health andHealing.
The word church means a groupof people ekklesia with a common
purpose and a goal.
Basically, it used to be, inGreece, a political name.
Ekklesia was first political.
I said let's do that.
It was good.
We'll call it Genesis 2 becauseit's a new beginning for health
(30:28):
in the world.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Did you have the foresight at that point to know
the protections having a churchwould offer you over what, let's
say, just having a businesslicense would do for you?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, a pastor.
I was street preaching one timeand we got arrested on a
sidewalk public way we'repreaching.
It was really.
Um, it's kind of funny.
We're preaching in front ofcatholic church for their las
vegas night.
Okay, you say, why are youpicking on catholics?
(31:02):
I wasn't.
I was picking on the las vegasnight because the town wouldn't
let us put up in front of ourchurch A big sign that said old
fashioned day instead ofHalloween.
Right, they wouldn't give us apermit, but they gave them one
for Las Vegas night at theCatholic church.
(31:23):
So we got upset so we'repreaching there.
Mary didn't break craps, didn'tplay craps, jesus didn't play
blackjack.
We had sides up and we'repreaching, you know anyways.
Uh, it's kind of a funny, butwe were serious.
So they arrested two of theguys.
I wasn't there at the time whenthey rushed up, put him in jail
(31:45):
.
He got out of bail, but when wewent to court this is what I
learned we got to court, I camein as the pastor and once the
judge heard that this was achurch, she dropped the charges
right away.
You guys are a church preachingon the street corner, a public
(32:06):
way dropped.
So I never forgot that Churcheshave the First Amendment right
of freedom of speech and thepractice of what they believe.
First Amendment right.
Yeah, later that the judge toldthe jury and said to them you
(32:29):
cannot consider the FirstAmendment in this case.
Yeah, we'll get to that storyshortly.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So, yeah, keep going with.
So you've got Jim Humble withyou.
He you start a Genesis 2 churchto give yourself some
protection from, let's say, yourmedical friends and other
entities who don't want thismessage out.
And so you start runningseminars, Tell people what
happened.
Then we set up a curriculum.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I did Bible Institute .
Jim was a smart guy.
We designed a syllabus.
We even had a CD course.
People could come sitting andexplaining the 40 different
protocols.
Come, uh, sitting andexplaining the 40 different
protocols.
So the first seminar fivemonths later after he came, he
(33:14):
had 45 people from 15 countries.
I mean it wasn't easy to getdominican public then take a bus
to an alpha hours people didn'tunderstand spanish and then
call us when they got to downand they come.
So they, they were reallyserious people, right, and all
had testimonies, all help ofpeople in their respective
(33:34):
countries and it took off.
So after three years we even hadthe FDA send people down called
Pro Consumador, which is likethe FDA to try to shut us down.
I told them we're a church andthey said, well, we can't shut
you down, you're a church, youcan do this.
(33:55):
We don't sell anything.
Donations to our church coverseverything we do.
They're like well, they had toleave.
So that really kind of upsetthe FDA, right.
So I learned another thing it'sworking and I didn't start the
church because of that.
Honestly, they, the court andthe newspapers say we start a
(34:18):
fake church, fake church.
I was a missionary 25 years atthat time, training people.
We're not a fake church and thechurch says to take care of
your temple, keep it clean.
That's all we're doing detoxingthe body with something that
the government's pure water,purify water with.
They tell you to drink thewater.
(34:39):
So it didn't make sense to me.
We weren't doing anything wrong.
So after three years, one of theladies that came to our first
seminar, carrie Rivera.
She had an autistic kid doingreally good with covering kids.
After she left she startedrecovering kids.
(34:59):
Everybody that wrote us hadautism or Asperger's, which is
adult.
Send it to Carrie.
So she had a really beautifulhouse in Mexico, puerto Vallarta
.
Jim said Mark, I'm going to gothere, I'm so tired of the
electricity being out all thetime and the internet being so
(35:20):
bad.
She invited me to live there.
I said good, jim, go, becauseyou know what.
I'm going to go to Colombia, Iwant to go down toombia, I want
to go down the amazon, I want todeal with malaria and, uh, I
want to sell the compound and goto colombia.
So we split up, not because ofany problem, because I went to
have mexico a couple times to doseminars and he and I went
(35:43):
around the world, literally,literally all the way to New
Zealand.
We didn't make Asia.
That was our next stop when Igot arrested.
Okay, so he's there.
I'm in Colombia.
I sell the compound.
We use that basically to goaround the world.
(36:03):
We do seven hospitals inColombia.
We had a lot of doctors thatwere really sympathetic to
natural means, so I did seminars.
Doctors would come and then weleft Colombia.
We still live in there, but wewent and did 63 seminars in 19
countries in 10 years.
(36:23):
So now I'm up to 2020.
But before I stop there, I wantto tell you what happened.
Jim wrote his second book withus.
We collaborated togetherbecause we would proofread it,
add things to it, and so thatwas like 2013.
Yeah right, 2000.
(36:43):
Printed it, then he left.
Then I left in 2016.
I wrote a book because now in2016, we had been in, let's just
say, 40 seminars.
We had done over 1,000, 1,500people trained up on how to use
(37:08):
the protocols.
I did a documentary calledQuantum Leap I believe you have
that link and G Edward Griffinrepublished it when we were in
jail, because they took outeverything from us, everything.
They eventually took us offyoutube three million views took
(37:37):
off my podcast called g2 voice.
They took us off of paypal.
Clickbank closed our churchbank accounts.
They even took godaddy, eventook away our domain that we
bought from them.
Okay, everywhere country we wentto, they had in the news media.
These people are coming tellingyou to drink bleach and be
healed of all these things.
(37:58):
It's a lie.
They're scammers.
We just kept going.
We ignored them.
They kicked down the door inengland.
We threw them out because we'rea church.
It was a church meeting.
They left, but I had to thepeople come in their equivalent
of fda called trading standards.
They came in so I taught themwhy and then we threw them out
(38:23):
at the church.
And so we had crazy leaks outto us cnn sky news which is
owned by fox, by the way uh,articles from the wall street
journal I mean, excuse mewashington post, new york times,
the guardian so many newspapersjust lying about us saying
people are dying.
(38:44):
So let me fast forward.
I wrote two more books by 2020,okay, and the guy that watched
one guy that watched I gotdocumentary a guy named jeff.
He put together one in 2020,more detailed because he's been
30 years.
An icu, he was more technical,very good one.
(39:08):
He put me on there also.
But he put it together andthat's been seen, just like
millions of people.
Doctors like it, becauseclinical studies, pictures
before and after, doctorstalking, scientists, chemists
Very well done.
So 2020 comes along.
(39:30):
One of the guys says Mark, Ihave people in the White House
that I know, so give me thosetwo bottles, give me your book,
your first book.
I gave it to him and he got itto Trump.
Okay, that's when Trumpmentioned there's a disinfectant
that can probably cure this.
(39:51):
They're saying really quickly,he said an hour and he called it
a disinfectant.
He didn't really know exactlywhat he was saying, but he said
it Employed Fauci and Dr Burke.
The FDA went wild Big Pharma.
So they sent out a letter to700 individuals, companies.
(40:15):
If you're claiming that you cancure the coronavirus, we're
coming after you.
Cease and desist, or we'regoing to put an injunction on
you.
So they did.
They sent 700 people.
April 7th 2020, I got it and Iwrote them a 35 page letter
(40:36):
saying why we were not going tostop as a church, why we have
the right to come on, why youhave no jurisdiction over a
church.
And, uh, we're going tocontinue on.
So everybody else ran.
We didn't see anybody else keepgoing.
So they gave us a temporaryinjunction.
We didn't go to the courtroombecause these courtrooms are not
(40:59):
constitutional courtrooms.
You can't claim theconstitution in an
administrative court, and that'swhat they all are.
So then they did a temporarythat permanent injunction.
My boys didn't go.
This was america, remember, I'min columbia.
The boys didn't show up.
I wrote another we're notcoming to your fake court there,
(41:21):
we're not coming.
So restaurant was issued and nowlisten, contempt of court to
contempt of court charges andconspiracy to defraud the United
States of America, not thepeople, the United States of
America.
No one was being robbed.
There was no claim that theyharmed me.
(41:44):
We died, my father died,nothing, so conspiracy charges a
joke.
We died, my father died,nothing, so conspiracy charges
are a joke.
We need to get rid of that.
It was set up because of drugdealers.
They could grab them withouthaving much evidence, which
isn't right.
I met guys in jail that weregrabbed.
(42:04):
They said because you mightsell cocaine one day for
arresting you.
They weren't caught withcocaine.
I mean crazy.
So July 8th comes along 2020.
Jordan and Jonathan are raidedat the home church in Bradenton,
(42:24):
florida.
Abc helicopter, us Marshals,epa sheriffs, local police TV
station.
About 12 different agencieswere there.
They raided the church, tookall our computers, which are
church computers, with churchlist of people that are members,
(42:46):
which is it's protected, justlike a doctor and his patient or
a lawyer and his client andthey took all that, took our
phones, took uh money in oursafe.
We didn't have a lot but weused a lot of that to help other
people because we helped a lotof people as a church.
But they left the guns.
(43:06):
The guns were licensed guns.
Okay, you want me to stop there, in case you have other
questions.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You're doing great, I guess.
There's one other detail Ithink is at least especially for
my audience, for people thatappreciate there's a force that
does not want this to come out.
And so you had one story I'veheard you tell where you got a
phone call, I guess while Jimwas with you, from somebody you
called James Bond.
Actually called you twice.
But what I hope to have peoplesee from somebody who's lived it
(43:37):
is how pervasive this idea is.
You even have a chapter in yourbook Imagine a World Without
Disease about the number ofpeople who have come up with or
found genuinely helpful naturalcures or things that
dramatically benefit health andthey just end up dead.
So give people a sense of thesinister nature of that.
What's your estimate for howpervasive that problem is?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, before I tell you that story.
They tried to kill me twice.
They tried to blow up our caron the way to a seminar.
A black suburban is followingus and about six car lengths
back in Arkansas, right.
And as soon as we hear this,what it did was they put
(44:23):
something underneath on the tierod to melt the tie rod.
I can get into detail aboutthat, but immediately the
suburban took off into thedistance, we pulled over, the
tire fell off and we would haveflipped if the tire fell off,
but centrifugal force basicallykept us alive till we could slow
(44:44):
down.
But um, then they poisoned meand brought the way out to
mexico and chlorine dioxidesaved my life.
They poured it down my throatbecause I was completely
paralyzed, couldn't move,couldn't talk, and, uh, they
poured it down my mouth and allthis green stuff came up.
And that's another story that'smore detailed, but it's in my
(45:05):
book Basically a Russian spy,and I know it was because I
cured the person of hepatitis.
Is that crazy?
When I say I cured, I don'tcure anybody Either.
This chlorine dioxide cureanybody.
The body cures itself after youtake the toxins out that are
causing the problem.
(45:26):
So, james Bond okay, jimmy, justgot there, I get this phone
call.
We did have phones in my littleoffice up in the mountain and I
get this phone call.
This guy calls me and says I'dlike to talk to Jim.
I go well, you know I can showhim.
No one gets to him and causehim a problem.
(45:48):
So who is this?
My name is Dr Michael Merring.
I said okay, what do you want?
He goes well, I want to talk toJim.
I said well, he's busy rightnow.
I'm screening all the calls andhe was busy.
I wasn't lying.
And I said what do you got?
He goes.
Okay, who are you?
I said Mark, rennie.
(46:08):
He goes.
Oh, jimmy told me about you.
Nice to meet you.
I appreciate you being therewith him helping him.
I said okay, so what's theproblem we need?
He goes tell Jim this that theVatican Bank is going to go
bankrupt, the Pope's going toresign, a king of Belgium, a
(46:28):
queen of Netherlands is going toresign.
Also, greece is going to.
The banks are going to take 40%of the people's money, spain's
going to collapse economy-wise.
There was a couple other thingsI can't really remember off the
top of my head.
I think about it, but it'sirrelevant.
(46:48):
I said, okay, I'm writing thisstuff down.
Okay, whatever Thought, he waskind of a kooky guy, really Nice
guy.
So I tell Jim later on thatafternoon hey, this guy didn't
talk to Michael Merring.
Michael Merring, really, thisis what he said.
Jim goes.
You know who that guy was?
(47:09):
I go.
No, it's the guy that EonFleming wrote about, called
James Bond.
I know him.
He goes.
What I go.
What did James Bond call me?
He goes.
What I go.
What James Bond called me?
He goes.
Yeah, that's me.
So all those things happen.
Two years later I get anothercall.
Right, hi, mark, this isMichael.
(47:30):
I go.
Yeah, I know who you are, jim,how you doing?
He laughed I go.
Why didn't you tell me you wereJames Bond?
Am I sick and all that crap?
Because I don't really care.
I get away from all that stuffand really want to help mankind.
He was being.
He was involved in getting hateput in africa he basically said
(47:54):
I want to help heal mankind, soI go.
Well, I appreciate that, butappreciate that, but all that
stuff happened, man, that'scrazy.
He goes.
Well, I've been watching youguys for two years now.
This is what I want to do.
We have two bearer bonds totallya number amount of $5 billion
and a bearer bond is.
(48:14):
You know, you got the bearerbond, you can cash it.
Whoever has it, the bearer cancash it.
He goes we're going to go upI'm in Italy, we're going to go
up to Switzerland and we'regoing to cash these in.
Okay, cool, he says we're goingto give you $50 million because
you guys are doing a good job.
(48:35):
We have it.
If you need any more, but takethat as a down payment on what
you guys are doing a good job.
If you need it, we have it.
If you need any more, but takethat as a down payment on what
you guys have been doing, go, go, go, get this done.
Man, I've seen you guys arereally shaking up people.
I said, okay, buddy, sure, andhe basically hung up.
I told Jim two weeks later,three guys are going across the
(49:00):
um italian alps into austria andthere's a gunfight and they're
killed and they got these fakeparabons first of all.
Why would they kill people withfake par?
Anyways, because they weretrying to defend themselves, I
don't know.
They're dead.
And about six weeks after that,michael Merring is killed and
(49:24):
wrote where he was staying in ahotel room.
I'm thinking, man, hopefullythat wasn't because of that
phone call, because our phonesare always tapped Like oh man,
so anyways, that's the story ofjames bond.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah well, it just shows conjecture in there, but
it does show a level of ifyou've been had two attempts on
your own life and there is arich history, as you document in
your book, of a number ofpeople trying to bring out
legitimate cures that just endup dead or in an alley or
completely silenced anddeplatformed, debanked etc.
Like you've been.
It's just somewhat of a wake-upcall to say this is real people
(50:08):
and there are things out therethat help.
But you are going to have to beable to find other sources of
information to get to what worksand do so with some discernment
.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Right, and in my book , I went back 300 years to the
beginning of the pharmaceuticalmedical industry and before that
, christian, what did we do?
Natural means.
Hippocrates said food is yourmedicine and medicine's your
(50:40):
food.
And he cured a lot of peoplewith raw milk and raw honey.
Yeah, I drink raw milk.
I got in my refrigerator.
Right now I drink raw milkalmost every day.
It really, really is good foryou.
The bible says if you'reblessed of god, your nation will
flow with milk and honey.
So Hippocrates was just doingwhat the Bible said.
(51:02):
So let me fast forward, becauseI know time's slipping away here
.
Go for it.
So my boys get arrested 30 dayslater.
Well, I call as soon as I heardthat.
I call.
His wife calls me.
I call the embassy.
Really, I call the sheriff.
They wouldn't talk to me inManatee County, which they're
(51:24):
supposed to be representing, theConstitution Sheriff have more
power than the president intheir own country County, excuse
me.
So they said call the embassy.
I call the embassy.
Talk to us.
Module, listen, they justkidnapped my kids.
What do you mean?
Yeah, the us governmentbombarded justice.
(51:45):
You guys just can't kidnap mysons.
They're missionaries.
Well, where do you live?
Took my phone number where Ilived and 30 days later they
kick in the door and 6 am in themorning they take me away and
go to Bogota, colombia.
(52:06):
They paid a million bucks tokeep me and my sons in Colombia.
Why, well, I believe they didn'twant us on the TV, on the radio
, although I was from Columbia,I was doing interviews and they
wanted you not to have a speedytrial so it'd be publicized
(52:27):
because we get arrest.
There was papers all over theworld.
We got the scammers that peopleclaiming they're curing COVID.
I've not got COVID.
The scammers they're sayingthey're curing AIDS and malaria.
So they didn't want us on TVand in fact, they wouldn't even
(52:52):
let reporters come to the jail.
I asked the warden hey, we havethe right to be interviewed.
No, no, you don't.
Oh, that's pretty sick.
You're supposed to have freedomof speech even in jail.
No, you lost all your rights.
Really, I couldn't vote.
They don't even let me vote nowon probation.
Wow, isn't that sick.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
So I spent two years there.
But in Columbia I've got theywant to give me two life
sentences.
They said and conspiracy, twolife sentences, conspiracy, five
years, conspiracy, contempt ofcourt, two life consecutive
sentences which you only get sixmonths or a year.
(53:33):
So you tell me, zach, what?
Speaker 1 (53:37):
are they doing?
Speaker 2 (53:37):
to me Was this judge, you know, set up to come after
us.
No one ever gets that.
But because I was with all thedrug dealers and they became my
friends because I was treatingthem every day 40 to 50 guys
with chlorine dioxide, webrought it in.
We treated people.
I got pictures of me theretreating people.
(54:00):
They liked me.
They were billionaires, a lotof them, and, um, they liked me.
I get this, even share the wordof god with many of them,
really all of them, because whenthey got treated I had some
bible literature and I'd give itto them.
So after two years theyDepartment of Justice says we're
(54:22):
going to bring them in.
If they spent a million bucks,you want to bring them in for
trial?
Okay.
So Columbia says you're notbringing anybody, we're not even
going to exercise.
In fact, we're going to letthem go because we don'tite
anybody that has a life sentenceor a death penalty.
(54:42):
What so?
They drop the contempt charges.
That's how important they are.
Okay, we'll drop those.
Boom, I'm on a private jet withthe biggest drug dealers in
Columbia Private jet three ofthem.
One of them was my, the biggestone was my sell me.
So we get there, they stretchit out.
(55:05):
They send me to different partsof the country.
I was at first in Miami with mysons.
Then they say you'reincompetent.
Then she goes no, you're not.
Then they say, yeah, you are,we're going to send you to fort
worth, texas, but three nightsstop to extend the trial.
They did as much as they coulduntil july 20th, july 17th, 2023
(55:29):
.
They said, okay, we're going tohave a trial now.
We're going to pick the jurynext tuesday.
We didn't have any lawyers.
We're defending ourselvesourselves.
She didn't want us to.
She appointed us lawyers.
You're not defending yourself.
Yes, we are.
It's a constitutional right.
Get out of here.
Lawyers, don't even sit next tous.
(55:50):
You're not our lawyers.
We're not accepting you becauseyou have to sign to accept them
.
Nope, so she goes.
Really, she's the chief justice.
Her name is Cecilia Artonaga.
She committed treason and manyother things against us In the
prosecution Homer and Shipleyfederal prosecutors.
(56:12):
They completely raped theConstitution and disregarded it.
Put it that way.
So she goes.
We for starting the trial.
At every hearing, we have ourbible.
We're preaching, quotingsupreme court decisions.
She doesn't listen to any of it.
She even said to me I don'tcare what the constitution says.
(56:34):
I said you're telling me,according to article 6 of the
Constitution, you're supposed tohave an oath or affirmation to
support the Constitution.
Can you show me that?
She just looked at me like acalf looking at a new gate or a
deer, and she wouldn't answer.
(56:54):
I said well, let the recordreflect that the judge is done
response.
I asked her again.
She wouldn't answer.
I said well, let the recordreflect that the judge is
non-responsive.
I asked her again.
She wouldn't answer me.
I had someone check it out.
There's no record of her everdoing an oath or affirmation, as
federal judging is supposed to.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
That's just one thing .
That could be a whole podcastepisode unto itself.
When you unpack that, that's aheck of a different way.
Like most, people do not knowhow to stand on their
constitutional rights or how topigeonhole the judge into making
sure that they will honor theConstitution, or, by their
silence, and in some ways agreethat that's what it is.
(57:33):
So, anyway, I would love tounpack that, but keep going with
your story.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Okay, so it's dry we say we will not participate then
in this trial, unless we have aseventh amendment trial by jury
under common law you're gonnahave a trial.
No, we're not.
We're not gonna participateunless it's under common law,
because we need a viable claimpresent that we harmed another
(57:58):
man, a woman, not a government.
You can't cut, you can't harm acorporation, a man, a woman
that we've harmed, just likedeuteronomy 19 says bring him
forth, never brought him forth,because if you're not bringing
him forth we will notparticipate.
We didn't chose the jury, shechose them all.
(58:18):
So you can imagine they stackedit with pharmaceutical people,
law people, nurses, lawofficials, all kinds of people
like that.
Last of the day, they did notshow any exculpatory evidence,
which is they have to show stuffin favor for us.
(58:41):
Didn't show any.
And just as the jury's gettingready to deliberate, she goes.
Her instructions do notconsider the First Amendment, I
haven't written it out.
I haven't written it out.
It's on file.
They're not considering theFirst Amendment in this case.
They're trying to come up witha verdict.
(59:04):
So they left 15 minutes later.
They came back, guilty in allcounts, 15 minutes, right, okay,
talk about a setup, talk aboutbeing railroaded.
This railroad, this traindidn't even leave the station.
They went out 15 minutes laterback, and so I was guilty of the
(59:25):
only one they had leftconspiracy to commit fraud which
we didn't, to defraud theUnited States of America five
years.
The boys didn't have theconspiracy charges dropped, so
they got five years plus another91 months for contempt of court
.
That's why they're still injail and I'm out with my son,
(59:48):
joseph, and so they got anappeal.
Some public defender the headone saw all this and said I'll
take the case and he wrote an1100 page appeal but it could
take up to two years.
So we want a pardon from Trump.
Yeah, understandably, because wedid nothing wrong whatsoever.
(01:00:09):
I don't know if I gave you theletter from Trump.
Did I give you that letter?
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I think so I'll put all this stuff in the show
notes.
So you guys, if you want to godeeper and look at all that,
you'll have the link.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
People can send that in.
They can send that in on behalfof the Groning family to Trump,
to Bondi, to Kennedy.
But so, in a nutshell, bro,that's what happened and it's
real.
It's real.
The powers that be do not wantus to have chlorine dioxide
(01:00:40):
called by NASA the universalantidote.
Nasa called it that becausewhen they used chlorine dioxide
on petri dishes againstillnesses, it took care of all
of them.
They said it's a universalantidote.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, right.
Well, one more thing I want youto highlight, just so the
listener can have a little morecontext for how egregiously you
were treated.
Tell them about the prisonconditions and what was done to
you and how you almost died inprison.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah well, it's horrible.
I'll have to tell you, though,in Columbia it wasn't horrible.
Being losing your freedom ishorrible.
They let my wife come in everytwo weeks visit for the whole
day alone.
So we had conjugal visits.
The guys would provide steak,shrimp, we had chips.
It was like something you'd seein the movies, but we couldn't
(01:01:28):
leave.
We had weightlifting places.
Columbia was okay If you hadmoney, and I had money, because
the guys gave me everything Ineeded.
So America, miami federaldetention center is this I won't
say hell, because hell ishorrible.
(01:01:49):
It was purgatory.
Okay, it was a purgatorialplace.
We could strip search all thetime.
Buy.
A lot of homosexuals wouldstrip search us is a
procuratorial place.
We get strip shirts all thetime.
Why A lot of homosexuals wouldstrip search us.
The food on the boxes it saysnot fit for human consumption.
Bro People, they wouldn't takecare of you.
(01:02:12):
The doctors, if you were sick,maybe would go see the doctor.
Only if you really screamed andcried but you had a bad tooth,
you're going to be in pain for awhile.
All that will do is pull it.
You might wait six weeks Bad.
So I was supposed to be let outbecause of this program they had
(01:02:34):
.
I was going to get let out evenbefore joe, about two months
after they sentenced us to 2023,and I was all psyched because I
was going to get up, startfighting for the boys right, and
doing what we're doing rightnow doing interviews.
So the day before, maybe a weekbefore, they said, uh, once in
(01:02:57):
a week was a was a few days, itwas getting packed, mr Grannon,
we do.
We got rid of that program.
Like what?
How can you just get rid of it?
You're headquarters of theBureau of Presidents, told me
I'm eligible, you can lie intome.
Ah well, you're not going, wedon't care, okay.
(01:03:18):
So my boys, that's the onlything that's good about Miami
we're all together, two in eachroom, but we stay together, me
and my sons, we cook together.
We had to pay a lot of money tobuy commissary, owned by the
Bush family, get that one.
So we buy tuna and I reallyhate tuna, but I learned to eat
(01:03:38):
it in prison because family Getthat one, right.
So we buy, you know, tuna and Ireally hate tuna, but I learned
to eat it in prison becauseit's real protein.
We'd cook it in our sinks forhot water, make like a macaroni
with tuna.
We had to get some cheese, someolive oil.
Anyways, we did okay, somewhat,but the food they gave us
horrible.
So what happened?
That day or soon thereafter Iwent.
(01:04:01):
The bible even says hopedeferred make it the heart sick.
That's exactly what happened tome.
I had this hope, this thingthat I'm gonna go get out.
Boom, and the valve in my heart,the mitral valve in my heart,
ruptured Just like flapping inthe wind.
(01:04:21):
It's supposed to be stompingthe blood.
This was like this.
It was regurgitating, they callit.
I blew up like the Michelin man.
My stomach, my legs, I wasslurred.
It was horrible, couldn'tbreathe, put pressure.
I'm saying I need to talk tothe doctor.
Yeah, you'll be okay.
No, I may have to tell you Ican't breathe.
(01:04:42):
And it got worse.
It was last about six weeks.
The last two weeks I wassuffering.
Joe, my son was up top bunk.
He got dead.
He said I can't breathe, john.
Finally I pushed the emergencybutton.
They come over.
What's wrong?
You're not having a heartattack?
I said I think I am my heart'sat 175.
(01:05:04):
I didn't know what it was,dying, but I said it feels like
it's coming out of my chest.
I can't breathe.
They're like God.
They brought me to the doctorand the doctor's like, hey,
you're going to die.
Call the ambulance.
So they rushed me to JacksonMemorial Hospital.
When I got there, the emergencydoctor said why'd you wait so
long?
I said I haven't been waiting.
(01:05:26):
The jail wouldn't bring me here.
They wouldn't even doctorwouldn't even see me.
I wrote the doctor too.
I got those emails.
Now he goes, well, we'll takecare of you.
So they did an echocardiogramFirst.
They stopped my heart and theyredid it.
They restarted it.
It set the rhythm again, itwent back to normal, but I still
(01:05:49):
blowed it up.
And so the echocardiogram theygo.
That's the problem.
Right there I'm looking at itInside my heart.
That valve is just flapping.
So they go.
We got to do open-heart surgery.
Like what?
I feel good, I'm liftingweights.
You know, before I got thathappened, we were working out
every day.
We were strong.
(01:06:10):
My boys are doing one-armpull-ups.
I mean, no one screwed me, notbecause, not because of our
preaching the gospel.
I had three bodyguards my sons,but no one really were friendly
with everybody.
We were in the chapel.
We never had a problem.
But you could.
If you were alone you couldhave a problem.
(01:06:31):
So, anyways, they did theopen-eyed surgery the open like
a lobster as they say in Bostonand it took a recovery.
It's been a year now, as ofFebruary, and it was a recovery.
I had to learn to walk again.
I went down 135 pounds.
(01:06:53):
I was skin and bones.
Now, I hate to say it, I'm 195.
But I feel good Riding my bike.
I'm doing push-ups, I'mdrinking raw milk, eating steaks
, I'm eating the stuff I tellpeople to eat to build their
nutrition in their body.
And so that's my story, bro.
(01:07:17):
And we're begging people, beg,you know, really sincerely
asking please get this letter,send it in.
The addresses are there, justfill it out, put a little cover
letter on behalf of the Gretchenfamily Envelope, send it off.
And please, because we'reasking people, trump, president
(01:07:41):
Trump, kennedy, bondi, help us.
We didn't do anything wrong,nothing wrong.
We've been missionaries.
Not one of us has a recordwhatsoever.
Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
They didn't even give us leniency First offender,
Nothing bro.
They gave us the max ofeverything.
Yeah, you get in the crosshairsof the wrong people and there's
a different justice system thatthey put you into and it's not
got the word justice in it.
It's just a system and you fellinto it.
So they demonetized you.
(01:08:12):
I think they stopped socialsecurity payments.
They basically just tried tobankrupt you completely.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Yep social security.
I finally got it back aboutNovember because I've been a
missionary A few months being amissionary.
I don't get my social securitybecause I didn't pay taxes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So we have a gifts and go site that generous people
around the world have given toand basically every month,
almost to the penny, it takescare of all the needs of us in
jail, as well as the families.
Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So if any of you listening areinclined to be helpful, to give
them the Give Send, Go where togo on there, if you know it by
heart.
Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Otherwise I'll just put it in the show notes yeah,
it's a wwwgivesendgocom, all oneword, givesendgocom, forward
slash capital G nine, capital A,capital T nine, g nine, a T
(01:09:17):
nine and, like you said, youhave a link right.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
I will amplify this everywhere I can because it is
egregious what has happened toyou and you have done nothing
but God's work, trying to helpand heal literally I don't know
how.
I mean, I don't think it's anexaggeration to say millions of
people have been helped.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, millions have been helped and it's incredible
what's happened to us, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
People can also get your books as well, right, they
can get those online.
Yeah, I sent you the link.
Okay, so we'll get you links toget his books and you can also
contribute to him that way.
But anything you can do, pleaseamplify this, please share this
episode, help this story getout so much that they cannot
make it go away, because if wedo not stand up against things
(01:10:05):
like this, then we're next.
So please, whoever is out there, do your part.
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
We'll say this one last thing Many, many men came
to know the Lord by us being injail, so God wanted us in the
prison ministry for a while.
That's all I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Right, you and Paul and Peter and many others.
It's just part of the life, sowe'll talk more about this.
If you think this was a whopperepisode, wait till you hear
what we have to say next.
The amount of stuff he'sexperienced as a missionary will
blow your mind.
So to wrap this one up, is blowyour mind.
Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
So to wrap this one up, is there anything else you
want to leave the listener with?
Before we wrap?
Pray for us people, please.
If you're a praying person,pray, pray and pay attention.
Get the books, because this cansave your life or someone you
know, I don't care what it is.
If you learn the protocols,which is simple, this can save
your life and restore yourhealth from any illness.
Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yep, all right.
Well, mark, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
It's such an honor to have you,and I'm eager to amplify this,
so we will talk again soon.
Thank you, christian.
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