Neal Bosshardt: Clay Does WHAT! - A Powerful Detoxifier, Painkiller, Microbe Muncher, Gut Healer, and Mineral Replenisher - Deconstructing Conventional

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SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 60.
I have a special guest for youtoday.
His name is Neil Bockhart, andit's not every day I get to talk
to someone who has worked atperfecting his knowledge and use
of one tool for 50 years, buttoday was that day.
There may be no living personwho has more practical working
knowledge of the medicinalproperties of clay than Neil.

(01:14):
He is a wizard on the subjectand he has helped so many people
stay out of the doctor's office.
And as you'll hear him talkabout, he has also helped
educate doctors on how to useclay.
I found Neil because some of myclients went to the recent Wise
Traditions Conference and toldme about what they had learned
from him.
So I dove into his work and wasvery impressed.
Neil agreed to an interview, andI think you're going to love it.

(01:36):
So prior to finding him, Ialready knew Clay had many
documented healing properties,but I didn't have near the
working knowledge of its breadthof applications as he does.
It is remarkable how manydifferent health conditions clay
can help with, and not only helpwith, but be way more effective
than anything so-calledconventional medicine has to

(01:56):
offer.
And boy does Neil have thestories to back it up.
He tells some amazing stories inthis interview, and I only
scratched the surface.
It struck me, I guess you couldsay, again, how simple healing
can be.
Medicine is complicated, right?
In the medical system, they haveto figure out how they can
interrupt and override yourbiology with the poison and see

(02:17):
how much of it they can give youwithout killing you or giving
you some really unpleasant sideeffects.
Talk about complicated.
No thank you.
It makes so much more sense tome to work with our biology
instead of against it.
Nature is easy, it wants tocreate life and healing.
And plants and dirt have beenwhat humanity has used with
great effect for millennia.

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And over the last 115 years,we've slowly traded troves of
wisdom about natural healing forthe potions of the
pharmaceutical or standardizedinterventionist chemistry model
of healthcare.
We have this idea that ifsomething isn't expensive or
scientific enough, if it doesn'thave a chemical explanation, it
doesn't work.

(02:58):
And if you heard episode number53, where I interviewed Carrie
Rivera about autism, you heardher express that sentiment about
chlorine dioxide.
She said, it's only$10, it can'tpossibly be effective.
And then she, like so many otherpeople, found out, sure enough,
it is effective.
And similarly, it's hard toimagine something simpler than
clay to assist the body withhealing.

(03:20):
Now, I will always stand by thenotion that there are no silver
bullets when it comes to health.
There is no one thing that worksfor everyone all of the time.
But like clay and charcoal andDMSO and silver and turpentine
and salt and baking soda andgarlic and herbs and essential
oils and detox paths and enemas,etc.
etc., healing can be found withsimple remedies and it does not

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have to be expensive orcomplicated.
Healing involves learning how touse the tools of purification
and nourishment and apply somepatience.
So clay is just another toolpharma would prefer you not know
about.
So it is my delight to goagainst their wishes and inform
you about another simple toolthat can help you take back
control of your health.
Nature always has the bestremedies.

(04:05):
So during the interview, you'llhear me read two different lists
of symptoms that clay can helpwith.
I read shortened versions ofwhat you can find in Neil's
book.
One list is about externalsymptoms, i.e.
topical ways to use clay, andthe other is about internal
symptoms.
So how does clay work?
Well, for my science-mindedlisteners, I'll have links to
research articles you can checkout.

(04:26):
But the short version is notonly can clay put microbes in
check, it actively pulls toxinsout of the body, and wait till
you hear about that part.
Clay acts as a painkiller and itcan replenish lost minerals.
I didn't even have time for thispart of Neil's story, but he
used clay to bring his ironlevels back up to normal so he
could give blood.

(04:47):
He said he's never foundanything that replenishes iron
as well as clay does.
Simple, right?
Uh also of note, we recordedthis interview on video, so if
you want to watch Neil and Italk, you can find the video
version of this on our websiteand eventually on social media.
But fair warning, while Neilwalks through telling various
stories of recovery, I do showsome fairly graphic images of

(05:10):
some gnarly looking wounds.
So if you're squeamish, youmight stick with the audio
version of the interview.
We didn't get to it on therecording, but Neil wanted you
to know that the clay he usespersonally is from a company
called Redman's Life.
I'll have a link for that and acoupon code for 15% off in the
show notes.
I'll also have links to whereyou can find Neil and his work.

(05:31):
One of the quotes he has in hisintroduction to his live
presentation is for majormedical issues, I have health
insurance.
For everything else, I havebentonite clay.
That's by someone named JanEversoll.
That sentiment is something Icould say about a lot of
different remedies I know aboutand teach.
And so, unless we're talkingabout a catastrophic injury, as
long as no one takes away all ofmy natural remedies, I'll never

(05:55):
use an antibiotic orpharmaceutical again.
In my opinion, there's just noneed.
The longer I do this work, themore I am affirmed that nature
always has the best answer overthe toxic, expensive knockoffs
created by pharma.
So, with that said, welcome toan inspiring conversation with
another beautifully simpleremedy that can keep you and

(06:15):
your loved ones out of thedoctor's office.
Enjoy my conversation with thehumble and deeply likable Neil
Bosshart.
All right, hello, everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
My guest is Mr.
Neil Bosshart.
So let me tell you a little bitabout this amazing man.
He was born and raised inRedmond, Utah.
He graduated from Snow Collegeand then went to Brigham Young

(06:38):
University, where he got adegree in business management.
And so in 1974, he returned toRedmond to work in the family
business and he worked thereuntil he retired in 2018.
And he worked in every aspect ofthe Redmond life business.
He worked in mining to packagingto marketing, and he was
involved with all of theproducts from table salt to

(06:59):
livestock salt to de-icing salt,and he helped them expand their
markets from strictly thewestern United States to the
entire US and into Canada, NewZealand, and Japan.
And his passion is teachingpeople the medicinal benefits of
unrefined salt and natural clay.
And even though he's retired, heloves teaching classes about
salt and clay because they havehelped him keep himself and his

(07:20):
family out of emergency roomsand doctor's offices and
drugstores so many times.
And he kind of now feels like hewould be derelict in his duty if
he didn't continue to share whathe's learned.
And to that end, he was recentlyfeatured as a speaker at the
Wise Traditions Conference in2025.
So Neil and his wife, Marcia,have eight children and 28
grandchildren.

(07:41):
Wow.
And when he is not teachingclasses on natural salt and
clay, he enjoys makingsauerkraut and composts and
working in the garden andspending time with family, which
to me sounds like the good liferight there, Neil.
So thank you so much for comingon the show and for taking the
time.

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
It is.
And thank you, Christian.
And and uh to be totally honest,asking me to talk about natural
clay is like asking an oldperson to talk about their
grandchildren.

SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
Good.
I have a lot of questions, so Ican't wait for it.
You can talk about this.

SPEAKER_00 (08:13):
I I have uh I've been blessed with uh the
opportunity, you know, clay clayclay came into our lives 50
years ago and uh certainly was ablessing, and and I'd like to
see it be able to help otherslike it's helped our family.

SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
Great.
Okay, well, before we get intoum just some of the uses of it,
how did you become a guru forclay?
How did it help you when maybeconventional medicine couldn't?
And let's just go from there.

SPEAKER_00 (08:37):
Well, that's that's an interesting story.
So back in the in the 70s, uhour family had a clay, a
benzonite clay deposit, and uhwe were selling it for lining
ponds, um and uh just foragricultural purposes, lining
ponds, you know, cattle feed.
But the health food people uhcame to us in the early 1970s

(09:01):
with a book.
Um a book entitled Our Earth IsOur Cure.
It was written by a Frenchhomeopath, and in this book,
Raymond Dextrate, the author,says that certain clays have
medicinal properties.
Uh now he goes on to say thatthere's as many kinds of clays
as there are breeds of dogs.
Some clays have medicinalproperties, some don't.

(09:23):
Some work better, some don'twork as well.
And the health food people whobrought us this book wanted to
know if the clay that we hadthere on the property uh had
medicinal properties.
Uh we didn't know.
We had never eaten it, neverintended to eat it.
But these people uh showing usthis book said this uh well,

(09:44):
French, this uh French homeopathin his book, he said that the
right kind of clay would bringthe body into balance.
It would do one thing for you,but something else for me.
Um that it would help diarrhea,constipation, and everything in
between.
Well, uh, they wanted to buy itand eat it.
We said it's not for sale, notif you're gonna eat it.

(10:07):
I called the FDA in Denver and Isaid, there's some crazy idiots
over here who want to eat ourdirt.
What should we be concernedabout?
And so they gave me a list lead,mercury, arsenic, chromium,
beryllium, everythingstreptococcus, daphylococcus, E.
coli.
We had it tested for everything.
Um and uh the result came back,it's inert.

(10:29):
The guy at the FDA said it won'thurt a soul.
Uh he also said it won't help asoul, which didn't surprise us.
So, with the assurance that itwasn't gonna kill anybody, uh we
uh made it available for sale.
Uh, and then because it wasthere on the shelf, uh waiting
for somebody to buy it, and veryfew people did, only those a

(10:52):
couple of health food stores.
But as it was on the shelf, andas our family encountered
medical conditions thatconventional medicine couldn't
fix, in desperation, we turnedto the clay, as directed by
Raymond Dextrate.
And the first situation, therewas a gal she was pregnant due
to the iron and the prenatalvitamin, she was so constipated,

(11:13):
she was having one bowelmovement every week or 10 days.
And uh, she tried through dietto get her bowels to work, that
didn't help.
So, in desperation, uh she andher husband tried the clay, as
directed by this book, which isa teaspoon and a glass of water.
Well, in three days, her bowelswere normal.
And so we thought, well, what doyou know?

(11:34):
Old Dexter got one thing right,give him that.
But a few months later, ourgrandmother's neighbor, we
learned, had uh diarrhea so badit would be down both legs and
in her shoes before she couldeven get out of the church or
the store or the post office togo home.
So we gave grandma some clay uhfor her neighbor, and a week

(11:55):
later, that little lady was inuh came to see us, and with
tears running down her face, shejust thanked me for this
product.
She hugged me like I was hergrandson, and this was you know
50 years ago.
So I looked like a grandson.
Uh today I look like thegrandfather, but uh I said,

(12:17):
don't thank me.
This isn't our creation.
God created this product.
We were just blessed to learnabout it.
And with tears in her eyes, shejust said, You don't know, you
just don't know how good it isto go out in public again
without fear of embarrassment.
So, diarrhea, constipation.
We thought, wow.
So little by little, uh,whenever conventional medicine

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would fail, in desperation, wewould turn to the clay.
And it worked uh so well thateventually it became our first
aid kit and then our medicinecabinet.
And and I'm not a wild-eyedradical.
Um, we appreciate doctors forwhat they can do.
But if you got a product thatworks better than what the
doctors have, that's moreavailable, that's certainly

(13:03):
cheaper, uh, and most importantmore effective, why not use it?

SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (13:08):
So that's how we got into the clay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Right on.
Okay.
Well, before we get to some ofthe practical uses of clay and
some of the fascinating storiesor shocking pictures you sent
me, uh, give us some perspectiveon maybe the historical uses of
clay.
So your family obviously wasn'tthe first to figure this out,
and so many people have beenusing it throughout history.
So dial us in a little bit onwhat you've learned over the
years about how humans have usedclay for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Oh, yeah.
Clay has been used medicinallysince I'd say the beginning of
time.
Uh, you know, there'sdocumentation that, you know,
Aristotle, uh, Hippocrates, uh,you know, the doctors of
antiquity used clay.
Uh there's documentation thatshows that uh in the in uh the
First World War, soldiers onboth sides of the conflict were

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issued clay as part of theirrations.
And those regiments that uh hadclay never were devastated by
the the diarrhea uh and thecholera cholera that ravaged
other units.
And so uh yeah, since thebeginning of time and and even

(14:52):
currently there's there's uhNASA has done some studies on
clay uh that is fascinating.
Uh years ago, back in the 1980s,my my parents went to Guatemala
as senior missionaries for theChurch of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints.
And as senior missionaries inGuatemala, they were known as

(15:13):
the mission doctors.
Uh any new missionaries, anypeople struggling with the, you
know, the getting climatized tothe food and the water and the
parasites and that's uh theyencountered there in Guatemala,
uh, they would bring those sickmissionaries to my parents who
would give them a glass or twoof clay water, and that was it.

(15:35):
So it resolved those thoseissues uh so well that, like I
say, they became known as themission doctors.

unknown (15:42):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Okay.
Well, I've even heard Marco Poloand um Egyptians and Native
Americans and others, evenGandhi's recommended it.
There's so many different typesof clay, and really before we
had magic potions ofpharmaceuticals today, we had
earth and we had plantmedicinals, and and that was
medicine, and sure enough theyfigured out how to use it.
So um you mentioned earlier thatthere's as many types of clay as

(16:05):
there are breeds of dark.
So um my understanding is thetype of that you use is called
bentonite clay, is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Yes, it is, but even then, uh, and that's that's the
reason why you know no one hasdone enough research to totally
document uh all the advantagesof clay.
And in fact, uh, well, Dextrate,uh Raymond Dextrate in his book,
he said that uh mankind was notsmart enough to ever determine

(16:37):
how clay, natural clay, can dowhat it does.
Uh he said uh for those peoplewho won't use it till they have
the science, they'll never useit because mankind is not smart
enough.
Now, there are uh a lot of testson the clay, but the the problem
with the clay, again, is and andgeologists will tell you this uh

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clay is one of the hardestsubstances to classify and
quantify because there are somany differences.
Um, a lot of people say, well,hey, my garden's clay.
Can I just go out and eat mygarden dirt?
No.
Uh the clay that we have, or theclay that I that I've used for
50 years, it uh yes, it is abentonite clay.

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Its source is volcanic ash.
The geologists say that thisbentonite was volcanic ash that
fell in seawater.
And they say that when volcanicash falls in seawater, it
acquires different propertiesthan when it falls than when it
falls in freshwater or falls outon the land.
Uh so you might say that youknow, clay is a is a huge family
uh of soils that have differentproperties.

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Well, in the clay family, youhave bentonite, uh, which has
certain properties, and then youalso have montmarillinite.
Now, those two items arebasically the same.
When they found a substance thathad these properties in
Montmoril, France, they calledit Montmorillonite.
When they found a similarsubstance, uh geological deposit

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in Fort Benton, Wyoming, theycalled it bentonite.
But in the bentonite family, sobentonite and montmarillonite
are pretty often pretty thewords are used interchangeably,
but in the bentonite family, youhave sodium bentonites and
calcium bentonites, you havehigh swelling bentonites,
low-swelling bentonites, and sothere's so many different

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variations that that's why it'sso impossible to say, well, you
know, okay, this is bentonite,it'll do this and this and this.
Well, it depends on what type ofbentonite it is, and again, the
variations are so minor and yetmaybe significant, and that's

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why nobody is willing or able tospend the millions of dollars to
identify exactly the propertiesthat that make it work.
So Dextrait in his book he saidfind a clay, uh, and he said,
you know, and and it's thebentonites and montmarillonites
that are more effective as faras medicinal.

(19:11):
But he said, find a find a claythat works.
If it doesn't work, find anotherclay.
If it does work, be grateful anduse it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
Got it.
Okay.
Are there any types of clay thatyou would say definitely don't
use that?
And you mentioned don't dig upclay in your backyard and ingest
that.
But like, is there any otherparameter you put around
narrowing in on the type of claypeople would uh most benefit
from?

SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
Yeah, you definitely want a bentonite or
montmarillanite.

SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
Uh, and you want to make sure that it's not
contaminated, you know, withother you know, substances.
If if that bentonite came nearuh uh a mine, you know, a lead
and zinc mine, uh where thereyou know could be you know
contamination.
Uh yeah, you know, you want tomake sure it's safe.
So it's it's best to have itanalyzed, make sure that it

(20:00):
doesn't have any of the harmfuluh things that you know, the the
lead, the mercury, and dependingon where it came from, it it
could have some of that.
But you want a high qualitybentonite or montmarillanite.

SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Okay, that's a good summary and some good guidance
around if you're gonnaexperiment, have a little
testing done before to make suresomething you don't want isn't
in there.

SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
Okay, got it.
Well, let's get a little bitmore just into you mentioned
it's hard for man to even knowwhat's what clay is doing for
us, but as best we can.
So your you told a story of yourdad going as a missionary and
then realizing some of themedicinal potential clay had,
and then he ended up coming backand funding a study to use clay
for dysentery.

(20:42):
So tell people about what thatstudy found and but was got that
kind of the beginning of the wayyou've been using it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
You bet.
So when my father came home fromGuatemala, uh he went to a major
university because he wanted tobe able to go back to Guatemala
with the clay to help thosepeople.
Uh the leading cause of death ininfants in Guatemala under the
age of five is dysentery.

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If if children can live untilthe age of five, they've
developed the immunity uh thatthey need to go on, usually to
adulthood.
But so many infants die uh justas young children before they
develop that immunity.
So he went to a majoruniversity, gave them a chunk of
money to do a study on on theclay as an antidiarrheal.

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And it was the best antidiarthat this researcher had ever
seen.
He was blown away.
And why he said it worked sowell is the clay had the ability
of absorbing the toxins that thebacteria that were causing the
diarrhea were emitting.
Uh, they tested it withcholerotoxin, an aflatoxin, and

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he said that that uh bacteriaput out a toxin that creates an
environment to where then thatbacteria can thrive and it keeps
the body's beneficial bacteriaaway.
So it creates a protected turffor that strain of bacteria.
Well, because the clay waseffective in absorbing 95% of

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the toxins that the bacteriawere emitting, then that
bacteria couldn't proliferate,it couldn't like normal.
And so then the body's naturaldefenses came in and and and
took over, and health resulted.
So they did that study.
Uh it was uh in a lab uh invitro, and so then the plan was

(22:40):
to take it to do another studyuh with rats, uh animals, but uh
without the drug money of a drugcompany, um the family didn't
have the funds to fund that uhin vivo study, and so it ended

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there.
Uh one of the researchers, uhthe uh one of the the people who
were part of that research, heis now a medical doctor, uh
full-blown uh medical doctor.
And last year we were talkingabout this study, and and he he
said it was just he said it's sosad.

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Um to he said when he was incollege and doing that study, he
learned the effectiveness ofnatural bentonite clay as an
antidiarrheal, and he he saw itspotential, uh, but now as a
medical doctor, he sees theproblem that uh to take that

(23:41):
product and bring it tomainstream medicine, he says, uh
now I understand that the costsare just so prohibitive for a
natural substance that can neverbe patented.

SPEAKER_01 (23:53):
Yeah, I think I have that quote from your book.
Is it the same guy that said, Iheard the quote here is how much
research on an ulcer medicationcan a company do for$8 per
patient versus$2,190 perpatient?
There's no economic future intrying to promote that.
Is that the same guy?

SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
Yeah, that was my no, that was a different guy.
He wasn't a doctor, but thestory you're telling there is a
co-worker, um, one of myco-workers heard these people
talking about how much the clayhelped for ulcers, and and her
husband had been on uh medicinefor three years, had been taking
a medicine for three years, uh,costing him two dollars a day uh

(24:34):
for three years, and and he'sthey figured he'd be on that
medicine the rest of his life.
And so his wife uh took him homea bottle of clay, cost her ten
bucks.
And uh three weeks, well, uhwithin just uh a very short
time, I began hearing her tellpeople of what it had done for

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her husband's ulcers.
And uh six months later, I raninto him, uh bumped into him at
the post office, and I said,Hey, I've heard your wife's
story uh on your ulcer.
I'd like to hear it first personfrom you.
And he said, Neil, that clay didmore in three weeks than the
medicine had done in threeyears.
Uh and I said, So do you stilltake the clay?

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And he said, No, I don't haveto.
Unless I'm gonna eat somethingthat really tears up my stomach,
then I'll take the clay and Ihave no problem.

SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Wow.
Okay.
Well, let me I'm gonna put adisclaimer in here just so we
have this on record.
So there's nothing that aboutclay that has been blessed by
the FDA for with an approval foranything related to hell.
So I would say follow the money.
But remember, nothing in thisshow is intended to be personal
health advice.
And if you experiment withanything we talk about, you're
you're doing so at your ownrisk.

(25:47):
But before we leave the umproperties of clay or how it may
be helping, you also mentionedin one of your videos that you
talked about clay having aparticular negative charge, and
top most toxins have a positivecharge.
So talk a little bit about thatpotential as well.

SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Yeah, Christian, I appreciate bringing that up
because even though this FrenchHomer said man will never uh
never be smart enough todetermine all the reasons why
clay works, there are somereasons.
Uh basically, uh probably themost important that the clay has
a negative electronic charge.

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And most free radicals, heavymetals, toxins, and poisons have
a positive charge.
So just because you knowopposites attract, the clay with
its negative charge can pull outtoxins, poisons, heavy metals,
free radicals, uh, and detoxify.
So that's one of the reasonsthat the clay helps.
Another is the clay is veryalkaline.

(26:43):
Um and most of us are too acidicand and can't, well, a lot of
diseases like to live in anacidic environment.
Uh the clay being very alkalinehelps us be uh you know more
alkaline.
Another reason is the clay hassome 70 trace minerals, and most
of us, because of the you knowdiets we have our environments

(27:05):
today, most of us don't reallyget as many uh beneficial
minerals as you know ourancestors did.
So with the complex variety ofminerals, with the high
alkalinity level, and with theability, well, the negative
charge which ha has the abilityof of absorbing toxins, those

(27:27):
are three reasons why it makessense that the clay has these
properties.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
Well, and why it can influence such a breadth of
different types of healthsituations, too.

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So and it's and it'sinteresting.
Like I say, from diarrhea toconstipation, uh that one
surprised me.
How can it bring the body intobalance?
Uh I don't know, but it does.

SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
Yeah, right.
Okay, well, let me on thisdisclaimer or this science-y
part of it, have you ever inyour 50 years of using clay,
have you ever seen a negativeside effect other than maybe
taking too much and gettingconstipated?

SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
Never.
We've never seen an allergicreaction, we've never seen uh a
negative side effect.
Um the worst thing that we'veever seen happen is nothing.
Now terrible now now people aredifferent, and so like you say,
this certainly isn't a aguarantee.

(28:25):
Uh and uh yeah, and I don't sellclay.
Uh I don't sell sometimes.
People say, Well, I want to buysome clay.
I say, fine, go find somebodywho sells it.
If if I sell clay and I tie itto a specific product, that's
making a drug claim.
That's that's practicingmedicine without a license.
And uh so I don't sell clay.

(28:46):
I educate.
I I educate, you know, I sell abook that talks about clay, but
uh people have to go out andfind their own.

SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
All right.
Well, there we go.
Okay, so let's talk uses then.
There's two main ways to useclay.
There's externally andinternally, so we'll I guess
we'll take them in that order.
But externally, uh, I'll givethe listeners a short list of
some of the health situationsthat you've seen improved with
clay, and then I'd saydramatically improved, and then
we'll we'll tell some stories,look at some pictures, and um,

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some of which are kind ofshocking, and then uh just talk
about how people might be ableto use it.
So here is a list for thelistener or the viewer of some
of the things that the can whereclay can assist the body with
healing.
So we've got burns, spiderbites, scrapes, cuts, and open
wounds, including majorlacerations, and wait till you
see some of those pictures.

(29:37):
Uh removing splinters.

SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
I hope you give a warning before you put up that
one.

SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Yeah, if you if uh if you're squeamish, you may not
want to see some of thesepictures.
So um other things that can helpwith are removing splinters,
glass, rocks, and plastics outfrom under the skin, hernia's,
which that was a surprising oneto me, uh diaper rashes, eczema,
shingles, and pain and swelling,tooth decay, tooth infections,
or canker sores, cracked ribs,bruises, earaches, and swollen

(30:04):
glands, uh the healing of new orfresh scars, acne, athlete's
foot, gout, and ingrowntoenails, and that's not the
entire list.
So um let's just go through someof the things that you've seen
heal externally.
So give us some stories.
Maybe tell us the one about thelittle girl who burned her hand
on a stove.

SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
Oh, yeah, and this one's close to my heart because
you know, if if an adult youknow gets burned, you know,
adults can deal with burnsbetter than children.
Uh my heart cries for inchildren who get burned.
So many years ago, uh a friend,uh, her four-year-old daughter
wanted to help her uh mothercook dinner.
And of course, mom was busysaying, uh, you know, not

(30:43):
tonight, I'm busy.
Well, mom turns off the stoveand takes the pan and heads for
the kitchen table, but out ofthe corner of her eyes, she saw
her little four-year-old pushinga stool over toward the stove.
Well, she knew what was going tohappen, and so she quickly sat
down the pan, was running back,got back there, but not in time.
The little girl trying to uhpull herself up onto this stool,

(31:03):
put her hand on the hot plate topull herself up onto the stool.
Her mother got there in time topull her hand back, but not in
time, and every ring of the hotplate less the blifter line
across the fingers and the palm,but on the heel of the hand
where the little girl had putthe most weight, the flesh came
off and was stuck on her smoothtop range.
Luckily, this lady had clay.

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So she takes her little girl,steps to the sink, and runs
water on it.
Now, on a burn, you always wantto run water on it first.
To get the heat out.
But after running water on itfor a few minutes, they buried
that little girl's hand in theclay mud.
Now, now to use the clay, andmaybe we'll talk about this
later.
Uh at some point, Kristen, weneed to talk to you know how you

(31:45):
use the clay.

SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
Right.
We'll get to the burn for later.

SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
Yeah, it should be about like mayonnaise or
mustard, a gel.
So she just buried this littlegirl's hand in that gel, uh, the
clay gel, and then she sat downin a rocking chair with this
little girl who's just screamingher lungs out.
Her little girl was asleep inher arms within 15 minutes.
Not just had quit crying, wasasleep.
So she got up and took a breadsack and slipped a bread sack or

(32:10):
plastic bag over the hand and upthe arms so that it couldn't dry
out, couldn't get wiped off.
Because on a burn, you don'twant the clay to dry.
You want it to stay moist, and aplastic bag does that.
So she put a plastic bag overthe hand, went and laid her in
her bed, wondering if theyshould call the doctor, if she
she should go to the ER, and herhusband said, Hey, you know,
she's asleep.

(32:30):
You never wake a sleeping baby.
Uh let's just wait till shewakes up.
Well, that little four-year-oldgirl never woke up all night,
slept through the night, inspite of the fact that after she
was in bed, her mother took aspatula out there, scraped her
flesh off from the stove, andthrew it in the garbage can.
The next morning, the littlegirl comes to her mother, uh,

(32:51):
not in tears or in pain, justasking her mother, Well, can we
take this bag off my hand?
She was oblivious as to what hadeven happened.
And her mother said, No, youhave to leave that on there
today.
After breakfast, she saw herlittle girl riding her bike with
both hands on the handlebars.
That night, 24 hours after theaccident, the mother couldn't
stand it.
She said, I had to see the hand.

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Took her in the bathroom, tookthe bag off, washed the hand,
and never did another thing toit.
And I saw that hand two dayslater.
And I'd heard the story.
And when I saw this littlefour-year-old coming up the
sidewalk, I said, Hey, let mesee this hand.
She sticks her little hand out,no blisters, no lines, nothing
on the finger of her palm, buton the heel of the hand where

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the flesh had come off, therewas a line of pink skin.
No scab, no scar, just pinkskin.
Now, that's uh that was a littlefour-year-old girl who who was
burned.
My neighbor, uh, well, and thisis in a picture.
Uh, should we wait?

SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
I can I can bring him up if you want me to.
We can talk about that becauseyou've got you've got spider
bites and burns and all sorts ofstuff.

SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
Yeah, well, let's f let's follow follow your
schedule, and they'll just Okay,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Well, let's let's go there because the next one I
wanted you to tell is just kindof the idea of venoms or in this
case, uh brown recluse spiderbites.
You have experience helpingpeople recover from those.
There was one story you toldabout somebody who the doctor
said, well, that couldn't havebeen a spider bite because it
they don't heal that fast.
So tell that story, and thenwe'll bring up some pictures.

SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
So okay, and then and I don't have a picture of
that uh that brown recluse bite.
I've got pictures of of another,but not that one.
But yeah, it was uh my friend,uh her neighbor had been bitten
on the arm by uh a brownrecluse.
And when my neighbor saw uh, orwhen my friend saw the
neighbor's arm, she said therewas uh most of the arm looked
like it had suffered athird-degree burn.

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But in the center of the arm,there was a circle of fresh,
about a three-inch diametercrater, she called it, of uh
flesh, and it looked like uhhamburger, raw hamburger from
the grocery store.
And she said, Oh, it looks likethat would hurt.
And he said, You don't know whatpain is.
He said, They've been having mekeep it covered for two weeks
and it's not getting any better.

(35:01):
So now they're having me leaveit uncovered to see if it will
get better.
So she told him about the clay.
So they put a big uh layer ofclay, half-inch thick layer of
the clay gel on there, and thenthey wrapped it with an ace
bandage.
Because on a wound or aninfection, you want it to dry,
because as it dries, it will itwill suck, it will draw.

(35:24):
Uh and so they covered it withan ace bandage, and she said his
pain level went from a 10 to a 2within 20 minutes.
And then twice a day he wouldtake off the ace bandage, stick
his arm under the faucet of thekitchen sink, and wash off the
clay.
And it and uh any clay thatwashed off, washed off any clay
that stuck down inside thatcrater in that hamburger type

(35:46):
flesh.
He just left and put on new clayand ace bandage.
So he changed it twice a day fora week, and and one week later
it was 90% healed.
And he went back to the doctor,uh thinking the doctor would be
excited and want to know what hedid.
And he showed the doctor, andthe doctor looked at it and
said, Well, now we know itwasn't a brown recluse.

(36:07):
And this guy, he said, I justabout decked him.
He said, I wanted to punch hislights out.
He said, Doc, what do you mean?
You've been treating the thingfor two weeks as a brown
recluse.
The doctor just shook his shookhis head and said, Brown recluse
bites can't heal like that.
It must not have been a brownrecluse.

SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Right.
Rather than change his paradigm,it he had to just no, well,
somehow we missed it the firsttime.
Yeah, wow.
Yeah.
Okay, well, let me pull up thepicture you have because you got
a a spider bite on someone's toethat you sent me.
That was a fascinating picture.
So I'll let you kind of talk usthrough here.
So this is kind of the timeline.

SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
Okay, so so this is a lady who was bitten on the toe
by a brown lacluse spider.
Uh there uh she was treated by adoctor, uh, but the doctor
really had never had anyexperience treating uh brown
lacuse bites.
Uh, on the the right handpicture, there's a blue ink dot
on the foot showing how far theinfection had traveled up the

(37:05):
foot at that point.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:07):
Uh let's go to another.
For the for the listener, you'vegot maybe the size of a dime
circle, and then it's growing,it's more like a size of a
quarter.
And so we're just kind ofprogressing through how this
healed.

SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
And and uh you can see that the bite originally was
only on one toe, yeah, but theinfection is it moved not only
up the the leg, uh it also movedinto the adjoining toes.
Yeah, and so at this point, thislady, uh all the toes, three of
those toes, looked really bad.
And at this point, she was onfull bed rest with her foot

(37:40):
elevated, trying to drive thepoison into the rest of her
body.
Uh they were hoping that if thepoison dissipated through the
rest of her body, that itwouldn't she wouldn't lose one
or more of those toes.

SPEAKER_01 (37:53):
And this is all before starting clay.
So she's got one bite on one toeto spread to three, and then
we're 11 days in.

SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
Yes, 11 days, and and at this point, like I say,
she's excruciating pain, fullbed rest, out of work.
And so her neighbor shows upwith a bottle of clay gel, mud,
and and says he'd like to packher foot in it.
And initially, she was gonnasay, No way on earth is mud
gonna touch this wound.

(38:21):
But because she had no qualityof life, because she was in pain
and out of work, uh, in fullbedress, she thought, I'm I'm
gonna try it.
And so he she let him pack herfoot in the clay, and then they
they wrapped it with uh fabricand then a big sock to hold it
in place.
She said within 15 minutes, shefelt something exciting going on

(38:44):
inside her foot.
And Christian, I've never hadanything exciting going in on
inside my foot, so I don't knowwhat she meant by that, but
that, but that was her words.
Something exciting began tohappen in her foot.
My guess is it was it was theincreased circulation was was
beginning to you know carry thatinfection away.

(39:07):
And uh so they just they changedit, changed it twice a day, and
uh within uh a few days, well,within a day, it looked better,
and every day it looked better,and and uh it totally healed,
and she still has all five toeson that foot.
She says thanks to the clay.

SPEAKER_01 (39:27):
Yeah, we're at 25 days, and then we go to four
months later, and you can barelytell anything ever happened, and
there's a little discoloration,but it's like a whole new foot.
I can imagine how bad that was.
So you've got some otherpictures in here, and some like
like we said, they're they maybe hard to look at.
So if you're watching this, youmay want to um look away or or
fast forward.

(39:47):
But this is one I thought wasfascinating a broken ankle with
infected pins.
So tell people this story.

SPEAKER_00 (39:52):
And and and this picture, you know, certainly
isn't bad.
So if you uh turned away, youcan come back and look at this.
So this lady broke her ankle anduh they had to pin the ankle,
which is fine.
Uh, but then those pins gotinfected.
And so she was in and out of thewound clinic uh twice a week for
four months.

SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
And all during those four months, her sister-in-law,
who had had some amazingexperiences with clay healing
other wounds, was begging her topack it in clay.
And again, it's socounterintuitive to put mud on
an open wound.
And and yes, Christian, we wedon't want people putting just
any mud on an open wound, butwhen that mud is, you know, a

(40:34):
high-quality bentonite clay, uh,she just said, no way on earth
is mud gonna touch this wound.
But but after four months, thewound clinic began to talk to
her about amputations to prepareher mentally to become an
amputee because the infectionhad gone from the pins into the
bone.

(40:55):
And so they said, you know, uh,we're likely gonna have to
remove your foot to save yourlife.
Uh and uh when they startedtalking amputations, this lady
called her sister-in-law andsaid, Hey, I'm more open-minded
today.
I'd like to hear about that clayagain.

SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
Well, they packed it in clay, and within a week it
went from an ugly, dark, uglywound to a very minor uh kind of
a wound.
And then three weeks later toeven less.
And her last email to me said,Thanks to the clay, I still have
a foot.

unknown (41:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
So another great story there.
So here's some where we may getto some of the more difficult
ones to look at.
So um, but this is a major openwound gash, like laceration type
of thing.
So um talk us through this oneif and if you're if you squeeze,
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:45):
Close your eyes if you're squeamy.

SPEAKER_01 (41:47):
Yeah.
So go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
So uh it's interesting, and I I feel like
the Lord's hand is is in thisproduct.
Uh, there's so many people who,in desperation, uh have been
inspired to use or or look forclay.
Uh we could we could spend ourwhole time just on that, on
yeah, how uh inspiration hascome.

(42:09):
But this fellow, uh, he was in aclass I taught in Pennsylvania
on the the uh medicinal uses ofnatural clay.
And uh in the class, I told himwhat I'll probably tell you
folks today, and that iseverybody should have a quart
bottle of the gel clay mixed up,ready to use in their kitchens

(42:30):
in case there's an accident, sothat you don't have to uh
prepare the clay, uh, you don'thave to mix it up as a as a gel
after the accident.
Well, a month later, uh thisfellow uh remembered the the
class and remembered hearingthat I had said you really ought
to have a bottle of clay gel inyour kitchen.
So he mixed one up.

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And one week later, one weeklater, he caught his leg between
two pieces of equipment andripped ripped a hole in his leg.

SPEAKER_02 (42:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:00):
That uh he he just when he called me on the phone,
he said, I've got a four-inchcut on my leg.
Of course, thinking of it.

SPEAKER_01 (43:07):
That's a minor way to describe that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah.
He said, a four-inch cut.
Uh I I pictured you know what abutcher knife would do.
And so my first words were,well, has it cut any tendons or
ligaments?
And he said, No, I think it'sjust in the soft muscle.
Uh he didn't bother to tell methat it was three inches wide
and two inches deep.

(43:30):
Uh his aunt told me later thatyou could have put a small lemon
down inside the hole thiscreated.
But anyway, because of the classhe'd been to a month before, he
had this bottle of clay gel thathe had mixed up just a week
before.
And so he packed his leg in thatgel.
He filled the hole with the gel,the surrounding areas with the

(43:51):
the gel, a good thick layer, andthen he wrapped it with vet
wrap, which is like an acebandage.
And then uh he changed it twicea day.
Uh and uh this picture's yeah,so there was a picture there,
you know, day 10.
Yep, so that's day 10 after theaccident.

SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (44:10):
Uh the first picture was day three, and this is this
is 17.
So this is like two weeks afterand significantly smaller.
For the first two weeks, hechanged it twice a day.
And and as he would take off thevent wrap, the ace bandage, the
clay would kind of just liftaway from the wound like a patio
of play-doh.

(44:31):
And if it didn't all lift out ofthe hole, he would just take his
finger and just kind of flip itout, rinse the hole with saline
solution, and then pack it inclay again.
So he changed it twice a day forthe first two or three weeks,
and then once a day fromthereafter.
And uh it healed the within amonth, he was back to work.
Uh, and within two months, uh itwas basically healed down to the

(44:57):
size of of my uh finger.
And this is three, that's twomonths, and then one year later,
yeah, it's a scar.

SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
Just looks like a scar.
It's like like I don't know,maybe an inch or more of a scar.

SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
One thing that Christian, one thing that's
interesting, I I was uh I helpeduh I helped an organization to
uh provide uh medical care in uhin Pakistan.
And uh we had donated them somemoney because they're very
efficient.
Um you have to be carefulanytime you start donating money

(45:33):
to an organization, the firstquestion is how much reaches the
people and how much is wasted inoverhead or some you know CEO's
retirement fund.
But this company uh uh is veryefficient, uh, and so we had
been giving them some money.
But I realized that how I couldreally help them is to tell them
about the clay.

(45:53):
And because this organization isfunded by a group of doctors,
they let me do a presentation touh some members of their board.
And now we're talking medicaldoctors.
I didn't want to appear as awild-eyed radical, so I said now
I showed them these pictures ofall the pictures, and then I
said, now if this had been me, Iwould have gone to the hospital.
Uh but look what this guy didwith nothing, nothing but clay.

(46:16):
And this this doctor uh lookedat me and he said, Neil, going
to the hospital would have beena big mistake.
He said, This healed better theway with clay than going to the
hospital.
If he had gone to the hospital,they would have pulled that flap
of skin back up out of that holeand they would have sewn it back
where it came from and creatinga warm, dark, moist cavity.

(46:40):
He said, This man would havefought infection like no other.
He said there's two keys tohealing a wound one is prevent
infection, the other is keep itmoist.

SPEAKER_01 (46:54):
You did both.

SPEAKER_00 (46:56):
He said the clay does both.
The clay prevents infectionbecause every time you change
it, the twice which is like saytwice a day for this fellow for
the first two weeks, threeweeks.
Every time you change it, theinfection is drawn away.
Yeah.
And the fact that the clay hasthis negative charge, yeah, it's
it's absorbing the infection andthe toxins.
And he said the other key tohealer wound is to keep it

(47:18):
moist.
He said the clay did that.
The clay prevented infection,kept it moist.
He said this healed better thanif he had gone to the hospital.

unknown (47:27):
Dang.

SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
I believe it.
And that's just a testament toan open-minded doctor who can't
argue with a result like that.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (47:34):
Yeah.
But again, you know, we don'twant to put anybody's life in
danger.
So, you know, people aredifferent, situations are
different.
This man had the knowledge andability to take care of it with
clay.
Um, we don't want, I don't wantanybody putting their health at
risk.
Um so if in doubt, if you'remore comfortable seeing a
doctor, do it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
Yeah.
Okay.
Good protection.
Good advice there.
Yep.
Okay.
Well, another one you had therewas a story that was
fascinating.
We don't have a picture for wasyour wife's sewing accident.
So tell people that one.

SPEAKER_00 (48:06):
And again, Christian, I feel so bad.
You know, I mean, there's somany stories I wish that we had
pictures for, but back in theday we didn't think about
pictures.
We just said, hey, grab theclay.
Yeah.
So the story, not gonna, my wifeis a seamstress.
Um, she sews beautifully, andshe was sewing costumes for our
local middle school one night,and uh, she was sewing this uh

(48:28):
pom-poms on this white uh fabricfor uh a school plate.
And uh she had just gotten a newsewing machine.
Uh, and this new sewing machinewas a lot faster than her old
one.
So as she's flipping pom-pomsout of the way as they
approached the needle, sheflipped a pom-pom just right to
be wrong, and her needle, herfinger went under the needle of

(48:49):
the sewing machine.
I I was in the kitchen, I heardher yelp.
I went to the sewing room, andand there she was sitting at the
table, she had her finger in hermouth so she wouldn't bleed on
this white fabric.
I knew what had happened becausethere on the sewing table, I saw
two pieces of the needle.
When the needle hit the bone,hit her finger, it broke,
shattered the needle.

(49:10):
And of course, as it did, youknow, she jerked her finger, you
know, back and she took herfinger out of her mouth, and
there was this big inch-long,ragged red uh line.
Blood began to come out, and shesaid, Give me the clay, and
immediately stuck her fingerback in her mouth.
Well, I went to our jar of clay.

(49:31):
I went to the kitchen where wehave this quart mason jar of the
clay gel that lives there 24-7,365 days a year, has since 1975.
And I uh grabbed a sandwich bagand a plastic spoon, and I took
a big spoonful of that gel outof the quart jar, put it in the
corner of the Ziploc sandwichbag.

(49:51):
And then I went into the sewingroom, and my wife went from her
mouth right into that the cornerof that sandwich bag.
And we nestled it in that big uhtablespoon gob of clay.
We put a loose twisty tie aboveher finger to hold it in place,
and then she went back to sewingbecause these were costumes that

(50:13):
had to be ready for the morningdress rehearsal.
Well, I'm in the kitchen 20minutes later making a phone
call, and she came in to get adrink of water, and as she picks
up the glass, has it under thefaucet, she's feeling her glass.
I said, Honey, how's yourfinger?
And just as nonchalantly as canbe, she says, It doesn't hurt.
I didn't believe her.
I donate blood four or fivetimes a year, and that pricked

(50:36):
finger that will sting for anhour.
Her finger was ripped open.
And so when she said it doesn'thurt, I thought, you are being
macho.
You're just and I said, Honey,do you mean it doesn't hurt, or
do you mean it's notexcruciating?
And she held up her finger andshe said, Neil, I feel no pain
whatsoever in that finger.

SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (50:57):
And uh so she got her drink, she went back to
sewing, she finished thecostumes, she went to bed that
night with this sandwich bag ofclay over her finger, slept
through the night, pain-free.
The next day, she didn't want togo to the school for the with it
to this dress rehearsal withthat on her finger.
So she took that bag off, sheput a daub of clay on her finger

(51:20):
that a band-aid would cover.
She wasn't out of the house, shewasn't out of the car, she
wasn't in the car three minutes.
And her finger began to throband to pound.
And she said she stood overthere in the dress rehearsal
with her hand just as high asshe could hold it.
And the teacher would keepsaying, Marcia, do you have a
question?
And she would say, No, no, keepgoing.

(51:42):
As soon as they didn't meet her,she zipped right home, buried
her finger in the clay gel, andagain, no pain, and she kept it
there for the next 24 hours andand it was gone.
So that that's a story for allthe the women who are watching
this.
But I don't want to tell theguys a story.
Here's your man's story.

(52:02):
Uh, and again, no picture,because we didn't do pictures in
those days.
But one night I was helping thehouse across the street from us
with a broken uh PV, uh brokensewer pipe.
And I learned that night that abroken PVC can be as sharp as a
ceramic knife.

SPEAKER_02 (52:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (52:19):
And and I learned that when this broken sewer pipe
sliced my finger and and uh itjust it cut the skin and it just
laid this the skin back.
It didn't cut it off, it justsliced it, laid it open.
And and I'm a Boy Scout, I knowhow to take care of bleeding.
I pushed that flaps of skin backin place, and with direct
pressure, I had the bleedingstopped probably within three or

(52:42):
four, five minutes.
But then I thought of the rawsewage that had come out of that
pipe, and I thought maybe Ishould do more than just stop
the bleeding.
So I went across the street tomy house, got a big tablespoon
of the clay gel, put it in acorner of a Ziploc sandwich bag,
just like I'd done for my wife,buried my finger in it, loose
twisty tie above the knuckle,and went back.

(53:04):
I wasn't, by the time I gotacross the street to help, there
was no pain coming from thatfinger.
And uh, and I kept it in theclay.
I changed it twice a day, but Ikept it in the clay for probably
36, maybe 48 hours.
Uh never hurt again, and uh Ican't even I there's no scar.

(53:27):
I can't find a scar.

SPEAKER_01 (53:28):
Wow.
We somehow we have to addpainkiller to this list of
things that it does too, becauseI don't know how it does that,
but that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (53:34):
Hey, let me tell you this one.
So just uh three months ago, alady uh who well, now she's a
friend.
I didn't know her at the time,she cut her thumb off with a
pruning share, an electric, anelectric pruning share.
And they took her and her thumbto the hospital in separate
vehicles.
Uh in the hospital, they sold itback on, and in the hospital

(53:55):
they used medical leeches torestore or help the circulation.

SPEAKER_01 (54:00):
No, they still used that.

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
Was that no?

SPEAKER_01 (54:02):
They still used leeches.

SPEAKER_00 (54:04):
Oh, yes, yes, they use medical leeches, uh, and
they're effective.
They're very, very good.
Uh one of the better ideas,maybe the doctors have have not
abandoned, yeah.
Yeah, but anyway, so in thehospital, they used medical
leeches, but after three or fourdays in the hospital, they sent
her home to recover.
On the way home, she learnedabout clay and packed, went to

(54:25):
pack it in clay.
She said with the and thenwrapped it with a handker with
uh fabric uh cloth so that itcould dry from the mayonnaise
consistency when she put it onto play-doh consistency, which
is you know, eight or ten hourslater.
She said with the clay on there,she could feel the circulation

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pulsing just like when they hadmedical leeches on there.
And uh, amazing story.
Yeah, it it healed phenomenallywell.

SPEAKER_01 (54:57):
Man, okay.
Well, I got two other thingsexternally I want to.

SPEAKER_00 (55:00):
Okay, go ahead.
But wait, but why I told youthat is because she said not
only did it help the circulationand and help her hand heal, but
she said it was a better painreliever than oxycodone.
She had been on oxycodone andthe clay, she said for pain
relief better than oxycodone.

SPEAKER_01 (55:19):
Wow, that's amazing.
Yeah, I glad I let you get thatnugget out because that's
important.
Okay, well, two other thingsrelated to external use I wanted
to ask.
I this hernia thing fascinatesme.
So give me a story or two abouthow people have used clay to
help with the hernia.

SPEAKER_00 (55:34):
Okay, uh, it's interesting what the clay can do
to the body uh for wounds andand and it stimulates the body.
Uh I'll just throw this inthere.
Uh women who have menstrual,painful monthly menstrual cramps

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will put a poultice of clay gelon whichever side was painful,
and it reduces pain from thatmonthly menstruation period
phenomenally well.
There was a high school girl,she used to miss three or four
days of school every month withher period.

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After leaning about clay, shenever missed a day of school
again because when the painwould get bad, she would put a
poultice on that side, cover itwith fabric uh to hold it in
place, and uh leave it therethrough the night, and the next
day she would go to school.
It didn't stop the period.
The period still you knowprogressed normally as it

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should, but without that painthat would keep her home.
So the hernia story uh story isuh we had a son who in high
school, uh he was a high schoolwrestler, and we learned that
16-year-old boys don't tell momand dad about hernias until
they're so bad that they can'tget them back in.

SPEAKER_02 (56:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:59):
And that's when we learned our son had this hernia
when he it was popping out sobad and he was having trouble
getting it back in.
He came and told us.
So we went to a doctor whospecializes in laparoscopic
hernia repair, hoping that hewouldn't miss the wrestling
season as a junior in highschool.
Well, this doctor said if hewere my son, we would operate in

(57:20):
the morning.
But he said, I know he's awrestler, I know these boys
think they're wrestling, youknow, their high school sports
is important.
So he said, get him a herniabelt and wear and and see if he
can get by till the end ofwrestling season.
Uh and uh, but if it pops out inbetween, he said, You gotta come
quick, because it could it couldreally be serious.

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Well, we got him a hernia beltthat he wore every day, but we
made him a clay burrito that hewore every night.
Now, and we'll but I I couldeven well, so this clay.
Okay, so this clay burrito, whatis it?
It's a piece of cheesecloth uhor gauze, a 12-inch square piece
of gauze, and you put the clay,a patty of clay, like mayonnaise

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or mustard, uh, you put it on towhere it's half or three-quarter
inch thick and a four or fiveinches in diameter, so just like
a really generous hamburgerpatty, uh, in the center of this
12-inch square piece of gauze,and then you fold the excess
gauze over on top of itself.
So you've made a patty of claywrapped in gauze.
And then he would we call that apoultice.

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Uh sometimes we call it aburrito.
Uh we he put would put that downinside his shorts over the spot
where the hernia had beenpopping out.
In the morning, he would justreach in and take it out, and it
would come out as a patty ofclay, just like it went in.
But it would be much drier.

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By morning, it had dried to thepoint where it was a light
play-doh.
And so he would just open up thecheesecloth or the gauze and let
that patty of clay fall out inthe garbage can.
And then we would wash the gauzeand use it again.
I'm very economical.
We would wash the gauze and useit the next night.

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So every day he wore the herniabell, every night he wore the
clay burrito or uh patty uhpoultice on that spot.
Well, it never did pop out againduring that wrestling season.
So he he wore that burrito onthat spot from mid-December
until uh the first part ofFebruary at the end of the

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wrestling season.
And by the end of the wrestlingseason, it had never hurt again,
it had never popped out again.
So we didn't go back to thatdoctor to have it fixed at the
end of that wrestling season, orat the end of the next year's
wrestling season, or the nextyear, or the next year.
That kid is an adult now and hasnever had that hernia fixed that

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should have been fixed the nextday.

SPEAKER_01 (59:50):
Dang, what a story.
Okay, I love that one.
I would never have thought to dothat.

SPEAKER_00 (59:54):
Now, will that help every hernia?
Uh no.
Uh, older men, there's a man inPennsylvania, he had a hernia.
He he tried the the burritothing, and he said it it helped
for a long time, but uh as a50-year-old man, he just wasn't
you know growing and uh newtissue like this 16-year-old

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boy.
And so eventually he gave up.
Well, eventually he had surgery,okay because which was fine.
We're not anti-doctored.
Yeah, it was having surgery forhim was a whole lot simpler than
you know wearing a clay burritofor months every time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:32):
Yeah, no, there's a place for all that.
So there is great story.
Okay, well, tell people the lastone I wanted to go externally
was uh using it as a bath.
And so give us a couple stories,maybe, but what I thought was
fascinating is just um as muchmaking sure we capture the idea
of how to properly dispose ofthe water, in particular from a
foot bath.
So tell people about bathingwith clay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:53):
You bet.
And again, we didn't come upwith this on our own.
Uh 99, 99% of what I know aboutclay, I've learned from other
people.
And in the first situation, itwas a guy in Illinois, a
naturopathic doctor in an ill inIllinois, who told me that doing
a clay bath, uh, and for a bath,a clay bath, you want uh water

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as hot as you can stand, and uhthree quarters of a cup to maybe
a cup of clay.
And you soak for 35 uh 40minutes.
And he said doing that woulddetoxify people, uh, pull the
heavy metals or other toxins outthrough the skin.
Because he said your skin isactually your largest organ of
elimination.
So uh one time a lady called meand she said that uh she asked

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if the clay would get rid ofheavy metals.
And I said, Well, I can't provepromise or prove anything, but
I've heard that it does.
And she said that she had had acase of shingles early in her
life that had left a lot ofnerve damage.
And she said, now in my olderyears, I'm in pain all day, I'm
in pain all night, I'mmiserable, 24-7.
And I think if I could detoxifyfrom the heavy metals, I would
feel better.

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Well, we talked about doing aclay bath.
She didn't have a tub, but shehad a shower, uh, only a shower.
And I said, Well, you can alsodo the same thing with a foot
soak, soaking your feet.
And again, how did I learn aboutthat?
Well, a lady called me one timeand she uh was telling me of all
the wonderful things Clay haddone, and and uh for her and her

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family, and she mentioned foodpoisoning.
And I said, Oh, uh, when you useit for food poisoning, do you uh
do you drink the clear water offthe top of the clay or do you
stir it up and drink the wholething?
And and we'll go into thosedetails.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:37):
We're coming up to it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:37):
Yeah, but it came up anyway.
Uh I said, so which way do youdrink it?
The clear water off the top, ordo you stir it up and drink the
whole thing?
And and in a disgusted voice,she said, drink the clay?
Yuck! We don't drink the clay.
And I said, I thought you saidit helped food poisoning.
She said, Oh, it does.
She said, Recently my familywent out to a restaurant, all
came home with food poisoning,and thanks to the clay, by the

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time we went to bed, it wasover.
And I said, How's the clayhelping food poisoning if you're
not drinking it?
And she said, We soak our feet.
And I said, What?
She said, We soak our feet forfood poisoning.
And I said, Lady, you know moreabout this clay than I do.
Tell me.
And she said, by soaking theirfeet uh in a foot bath, and with

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a foot bath, you still use hotwater, but you only use two
tablespoons of the clay.
And she said, Yeah, that's howwe get rid of food poisoning.
Because it detoxifies the bodythrough the feet.
So when this lady told me thatshe had heavy metals, didn't
have a tub, I said, Well, youcan soak your feet.
Told her how.
And she called back a few dayslater, as excited as a kid on
Christmas morning.

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She said, I'm sleeping throughthe night.
I'm pain-free.
I I haven't felt as good for 10years.
Would you send us someliterature that I can share with
my friends here in the trailerpark in St.
George, Utah?
And so we did.
And then a few days later, shecalled and she said, Hey, I've
been talking to a friend inCalifornia about the clay.
Would you send her literature?
And we did.
And then she called a few dayslater and said, I've been

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talking to a friend in Oregon.
Send her, we did.
Well, a few days later shecalled, and to be funny, I try
to be funny at times.
I said, Who are we going to sendit to today?
And she said, What happens ifyou put clay on plants?
And I thought, on plants?
Where's this question comingfrom?
And I said, It's good for them.
I said, It's it's got a highmineral value or high mineral

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content, it'll remineralize yourplants.
I said, Yeah, you can use it asa foliar spray, you can stir it
in the soil.
I said, You bet it's good foryour plants.
And in a tearful voice, sobbing,she said, Oh, I should have
known better.
I should have known better.
And I'm I'm confused.
I said, June, what's going on?
And she said, Well, here in ourcity, St.
George, Utah, we're told weshould conserve water.

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And I thought, what can I dowith this water from soaking my
feet?
And she said, I came up with aread what I thought was a really
good idea.
I thought, I'll use it to watermy houseplants.
And all of my friends, I wouldtell them, uh, soak your feet
and then use it to water yourhouseplants.
She said, I was talking to afriend today about the clay, and
uh and or when I was talking tomy friend, and and I said, every

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plant in my house has died.
My friend said, hers aren'tdead, but they're looking really
sick.
So we decided there must besomething lethal in the clay to
plant.
And I said, No, there isn't.
And now you know what you did,don't you?
She said, Yes, all the toxins,heavy metals that pulled out of
us were in that water.
I said, You got it.

(01:05:30):
That's right.
A guy in Hawaii killed a sectionof his lawn from the water after
soaking his feet.
Now, uh I one uh fulldisclosure, I thought, wouldn't
it be awesome in my clay classto show a picture of uh some
flowers or my my lawn that theclay had killed.

(01:05:53):
Well, my wife's flowers aresacred.
I didn't dare mess with them,but I thought I can kill a
section of my lawn, and uh mywife will never know.
And then I'll have a picturethat I can show in my classes.
So every time I would take waterout our back door after soaking
our feet, my wife would say,Don't put that on the lawn, and
I would say, Got it, honey.
And I would go out and put it onthe lawn, same spot.

(01:06:15):
Well, guess what?
It never killed our lawn, and Ithink it's because my wife and I
are not toxic enough uh becauseof other things we do.
But uh anyway, uh so the pointis, and uh Kristen, what you
said, well, so if you do a footsoak, what do you do with the
water?
Uh you can, or if you or if youdo a clay bath, what do you do?

(01:06:39):
Can you let that go down yourdrain?
Yes.
Now, when we do a foot soak, uhin a little like a little
plastic hospital type basin, uhplastic dishpan, uh, it's got
two tablespoons of clay in it.
We take that out uh and pour iton a gravel driveway.
You can pour it on a graveldriveway, you can uh throw it

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across maybe a patch of weeds.
Uh, I don't know if it'll killweeds or not.
Maybe weeds like toxins.
Uh but you can also flush thatdown the toilet if you you know
don't have access to a you knowuh gravel driveway you want to
throw it on.
Tubs, we have put clay down ourtub for 50 years.

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Uh and it has never caused aproblem.
For the first 20 years, we wereon a septic tank.
Never caused a problem at all.
Because you take a cup of clay,by the time it's dissolved in a
full tub of water, you open thedrain and it goes down the drain
lickety split, and there's noteven enough sediment in the

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bottom to fill a quarter of ateaspoon.
Um, and so we have never in 50years seen it a problem.
Now, if you're working, if yougot a big glob of clay, well,
don't force that down your sink.
Don't force that down yourdrain.
If you got a big gob of clay,like if you do a burrito, like

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you know, we did for for myson's uh hernia, or if you've
got a wood and you got a bigglob of clay, well, throw that
in the garbage can.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:11):
But for the two tablespoons in a in a foot soap,
for that cup of clay, in a fullbody bath, it's gone.
Down the drain and no problems.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:21):
Good to know.
Well, I just yeah, I like thatstory or that data point about
everybody killing theirhouseplants because it does say
I've heard people roll theireyes at the idea that you can
detox through your skin.
And that what you're saying is atestament to yes, the body does
purge things you don't want, andin the right environment, you
can really disrupt life with thetoxins coming out of people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:41):
So for sure.
My my dad had an infection inhis hand one time with a red
streak all the way into thearmpit.
And and my and my uh they packedhis hand in the clay, wrapped it
with a handkerchief so it coulddry, and he went to bed with a
red line up his arm.
He got up the next morning withno red line.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:01):
So one thing I've heard you mention in the ways
that you've used it, you saidfor women, and I couldn't figure
out a reason for this.
You say I have them use claythat's more around the
consistency of mayo or mustard,but for guys often it's more
like sheetrock mud.
So why the difference?
Or is there something there Imissed, or do you have a his and
hers bottle around the house?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:19):
Or well it's it's because uh it's just to help
guys envision it, you know.
For okay, I mean they're they'rejust they're the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:29):
It's the same consistency, it's not different
then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:31):
Okay, no, no, no.
Yeah, I you know, sheetrock mudand mayonnaise are basically the
same consistency.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:37):
Got it.
You're just thinking femaleversus male, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:40):
Exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:42):
Got it.
All right.
Well, let's talk internal usesof clay then, because there's
some things that you've seenclay help internally, and again,
your book has a longer list thansome of these things, but here's
some of the ways clay has beenable to help internally.
So, colic, in case you don'tknow, that's where babies just
can't seem to stop crying.
Uh, allergies and celiacdisease, heartburn and hiatal

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hernias, H.
pylorian ulcers, parasites, foodpoisoning, Crohn's, colitis, and
diverticulitis, and thendiarrhea and constipation.
And that second one surprised mebecause I was familiar with clay
for diarrhea, but I didn't eventhink of it as something that
could help with constipation.
So you've already mentioned acouple of stories along that
vein of how you've had peopleuse it for diarrhea and

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constipation.
So um obvious tell us some moreinternal uses, maybe the food
poisoning or or how you umrecommend people uh use it
internally.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:34):
So yeah, and let's yeah, let's tell them we'll tell
them how to use it and then talkabout what it's done.
Okay.
So to use the clay internally,uh, it's just a teaspoon and a
glass of water.
Uh and for those who are uh youknow do have the the advantage
of of uh video, uh teaspoon andglass of water.
It doesn't really matter howmuch water, I like to use eight

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or ten ounces of water.
Uh now use the best water youyou've got.
Some people you know ask, well,does it need to be distilled
water, purified water?
We've never seen a water thatclay doesn't work with.
So use the best water you'vegot.
Now, if you use distilled wateror reverse osmosis water, be

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aware that the clay does act alittle differently.
When you put a teaspoon of clayuh and mixing clay and water, it
doesn't mix well.
It's like mixing flour andwater.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:31):
Yeah, you I was pleased to like I didn't know
this until I saw you teach ithow to get it to actually mix
well.
So keep going.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:38):
Okay.
So uh the the uh the hard way todo it is what we did for the
first 30 years, because wedidn't know any better.
And that is to take a teaspoonof of the dry powdered clay, put
it in a glass of water, and andstir it.
Now you don't want to use ametal spoon.
Clay, the negative electroniccharge that clay has is
destroyed when it in contactwith metal.

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So don't use a metal glass,don't use a metal spoon, use uh
a plastic spoon to spur it.
But we would put a teaspoon ofthe uh clay in a glass of water
and we would stir it and as bestwe could.
Uh of course the clay goeslumpy, it's like flour, it
sticks to the spoon, it sticksto the glass, it goes lumpy, but
we would just whip it up as bestwe could.

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Uh and and then if you need todrink clay, you just choke it
down, lumps and all.
If you don't need to drink itright then, uh the French
homeopath, Raymond Dextrate, hesaid that after you mix the clay
and water, he actuallyrecommended that you let it set
four to six hours for the clayto activate the water, or for

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the water to activate the clay.
And after four to six hours, theclay sediment will be on the
bottom, but the minerals willhave dissolved into the water,
and the water will have taken onthe electronic charge that the
clay has.
So Dextrate said after four tosix hours of the clay just
sitting, then most of the waterwill be clear.

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And you can drink the clearwater off the top and throw the
sediment away and get the samebenefit as stirring it up and
drinking the whole muddy mess.
So for the first few uh yearsthat we used the clay, we did
that.
We didn't drink any of thesediment.
We would stir it up, we wouldlet the sediment drop out,
minerals into the water,electronic charge in the water,

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and then we would drink theclear water off the top and we
would throw the sediment away.
That's what we did for the firstmonths, maybe years, that we're
using the clay.
But after we learned howeffective the clay was and that
the sediment, you know, wasn'tharmful, then now we just you
know drink it all.
But if you're using reverseosmosis water or distilled

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water, then the water will neverclarify, it will stay murky.
Uh and uh and again, it doesn'tmatter, but uh just be aware
that if if you're wanting thethe water to drop out and be
clear, uh if you're usingdistilled or reverse osmosis
water, it won't.
Now, for you in the videoaudience, I've got a bottle of

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clay here, and I'll show youwhat I do now.
Uh rather than you using an openglass, I have a glass bottle.
It was a kombucha bottle, glassbottle with a wide mouth lid,
and I will fill itthree-quarters full of water, so
it's about 10, 12 ounces, andthen I'll dump the teaspoon of
clay in there, and I'll justdump it on the water and walk
away.
I don't stir it, I don't shakeit, I just dump the clay on the

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water and walk away, and I letthat clay sink down through the
water by itself undisturbed fortwo or three hours or even
overnight.
Then when I stir it, it willstir as smooth as a glass of
milk.
And and I'll even show you ifyou're watching this.
Uh so after when you stir it,after it has sat for a few

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hours, it'll stir as smooth as aglass of milk with no lumps.
And if you don't mind drinkingthe murky liquid, you can drink
it right then, and you can'teven detect any sediment going
through your teeth.
And if you close your eyes oruse cold water, you can't even
taste it.
There is no taste.
Now, Christian, have you haveyou tried it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:17):
No, I haven't done it this way.
I've never, I've always done theway that you're like, This is
how it's awful and it's chunky,and but after you're seeing you
do it, I'm like, ah, that makesso much more sense.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:26):
So yes.
So, yeah, if you've let it setfor a while and hydrate
undisturbed before you stir it,it stirs as smooth as a glass of
milk.
And like I say, if you closeyour eyes, stand in a dark room,
uh, basically there's no taste.
Now, my wife says, yes, thereis.
There's a mild earthy taste.
And I'll give her that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:45):
Yeah, I would give her a fact check option on that
one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:48):
There is a mild earthy taste.
So that's the easy way.
Uh, so the easy way is to letthe clay sink down through the
water, hydrate by itself, then afew hours later stir uh and
either drink the clear water,well, drink the murky or let it
sit again and it'll clarify anddrink the clear water.
So that's what you do uh for aglass at a time.

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Uh again, for the the videoaudience, uh people can do a
quart at a time.
If you're doing a quart, it's aheaping tablespoon in a quart
bottle.
And basically that's fourservings of clay.
So you could drink it uh, youknow, uh once a day for four
days.
Some people will drink the clayonce a day, some people will

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drink it twice a day.
Uh, some take it in the morning,some take it at night, uh, some
take it with food, some take iton an empty stomach.
There's really uh it's it's it'smore of an art than a science,
so there's really not a bad wayyou know to do it, but find out
what works for you.
I my my friend who had ulcers,he said it helped uh better if
you took it at night.

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Um but other people will take ituh at other times during the
day.
So very flexible.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:00):
Uh whatever it's I mean, it's so wise to just say
your body's different than otherpeople's and your exposures and
your health history andhydration levels and sleep and
hope and all of that.
Is so yeah, have a thewillingness to experiment.
I interviewed Herb Richards andhe said the exact same thing
about DMSO.
Like you got to find your way,and you don't find it without

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running some experiments on yourbody and and seeing what how you
respond to it.
And so I like that flexibilityyou're talking about with yeah,
just have some courage to start.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:30):
Yeah, I did make a mistake once.
Uh so I guess there is a mistakeyou can make with clay.
Okay, tell us the clay isphenomenal for food poisoning,
it it really is.
Uh and and uh I can say that uheven with diarrhea, for the
first 20 years, I never took theclay twice for the same case of

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diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:53):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:54):
It was, I mean, it basically almost instantaneous.
But there was one time I had uhI'd gotten some food poisoning
uh from something, and and uhboy, I had some nausea and I and
I was just you know ready tothrow up.
I thought, boy, I'm gonna I'mgonna be throwing up here in the
next five minutes, and and Idon't like to throw up, so I
thought, well, I'm gonna drinkclay uh instead of throwing up.

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Well, I I drank clay thatsettled things to where I
couldn't throw up.
So whatever was down there thathad been churning, wanting to
come out, it was still churning.
It couldn't come out, but itstill churned, and it churned
for for quite a while.
And in hindsight, I thought ifever again I'm at the point

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where I'm ready to upchuck, andI feel like I'm gonna upchuck
within the next few minutes,then I'm I would rather upchuck
and get that out of there andthen drink clay rather than
drink the clay and keep that inthere.
But for any other case of foodpoisoning, you know, and unless

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regurgitation is minutes away,trink clay and it resolves it.
I've never had a case of foodpoisoning go past an hour or
two.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:13):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:14):
Yeah, it's a couple couple of years ago we were at a
an event, uh, they served somechicken.
Uh and uh I brought some chickenhome.
Uh the chicken they served thatnight was fine, but the chicken
I brought home the next day, uhI realized uh, yep, yep, I
brought some bad pieces home.

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My wife said, don't eat them.
I I thought they'll be fine.
I ate them.
I shouldn't have.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:41):
And uh thanks to the clay within before I went to bed
that night, food poisoning washistory.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:48):
Very nice.
Okay, well, two other thingsthat we should maybe give people
some window into is one usingclay relative to timing of
medications, and then the otheris constipation.
So give people some guidelinesaround those two things.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:02):
Uh, you bet.
Uh now regarding constipation,do you mean to uh get rid of
constipation or I'm talkingabout yeah, potentially using
too much and giving yourselfconstipation.
Okay, yes, right.
So the normal amount of clay,like I said, is is a teaspoon a
day or twice a day.
Uh you can go, I know people doit three times a day.

(01:20:22):
Um my feeling is if taking claythree or four times a day, if
that doesn't solve your problem,the clay is probably not the
solution.
Uh but uh if you take too muchclay, it can cause constipation,
which is ironic because again, Iknow people who've been so
constipated.

(01:20:43):
Uh well, in fact, I'll tell you,uh yeah, I know people who've
been so constipated, you know,they've been having one bowel
woman every week or 10 days, andthree days of clay, their bowels
are normal.
Uh, we had a grandson many yearsago who uh his mother was no
longer able to nurse him.
So he was put on a formula, andthe side effect of that formula

(01:21:03):
was constipation, which istotally normal.
And the doctors were having themshove suppositories up his
little rectum.
When we heard that they wereshoving suppositories up his
little bottom, we said, hey, youcan't do that on our grandkids.
You know, you can it's okay ifyou do that on other people's
grandkids, but not on ourgrandkids.
So we had the parents mix theclay, a teaspoon and a glass of

(01:21:26):
water, like they were gonnadrink it themselves.
To let the clay settle out andthen use the water off the top
to mix the formula.
As soon as he got formula madewith the clay water, his little
bowels kicked in and noproblems.
But uh, and most people cantake, like say, two, three, four
teaspoons a day with no problem.

(01:21:48):
One lady thought, well, if if ateaspoon or two a day, if a
teaspoon a day is good, thennine teaspoons a day is nine
times better.
So she was taking nine teaspoonsa day.
Yeah, it made her constipated.
So just just like you know, ifif you take too much vitamin C,
your body lets you know bygiving you diarrhea.

(01:22:10):
If you take too much clay, yourbody lets you know by making you
constipated.
Uh so that's the the word on theon the constipation.
The other word was medication.
So yes, okay.
So the clay, because of thisnegative electronic charge that
is beneficial for pulling outtoxins, poisons, heavy metals,

(01:22:32):
uh, free radicals and such, ifit recognizes a medication as a
toxic poison, it will absorb itout.
Now, Dextrate, when he wrote thebook back in the 1950s, he
addressed this issue and heactually said, if you're on a
medication, don't take clay,because the clay could interfere
with the medication or themedication could interfere with

(01:22:54):
the clay.
So he said, finish yourmedication and then take clay.
Well, that was fine in the 1950swhen people were on a drug for
you know a week or 10 days andthen they were off.
Well, in our society today, wehave people who are on lifetime
drugs.
If they wait until they're offtheir medication, they'll be six
feet under the ground and thefuneral will be over.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:17):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:18):
So people who are on daily, you know, lifetime
medications, what we have foundis that for most of those, if
you take them to clay and themedication two or three, four
hours apart, there's no problem.
Um except in one incident.

(01:23:41):
There's only one incident wherewe have seen that even 12 hours
apart is a problem, and that iswith the drug thinner or the uh
blood thinner.
Yeah, the blood thinner cumadin.
If there was a fellow inPennsylvania who was on cumidin
for because of an accident hehad had, and he was on a blood

(01:24:02):
thinner, and he was concernedbecause he knew the clay could
pull out you know toxicmedications, and so he was
taking them uh three or fourhours apart.
He went to the doctor to havehis cumidin level tested.
They said, Why aren't you takingyour cumidin'?
And uh, so then he went totaking them 12 hours apart.
And uh the next time he he wentin for his cumidin level, they

(01:24:24):
said, You're still not takingyour cumidon.
Well, you can't take themfurther apart than 12 hours.
And so, in his in his situation,because you know uh your blood
being too thick can cause be uhit can be life-threatening, then
he chose it was better to takethe cumidon and not take the
clay.

(01:24:45):
Now, there's other people.
Uh, I know who there was afriend who is on warfarin, it's
a blood thinner.
And uh he was taking warfarinfor as a blood thinner, but he
was always also taking clay twoor three times a week, not
daily, but two or three times aweek for heartburn.
And taking the clay two or threetimes a work week, it did not

(01:25:07):
negatively affect his warfarin.
So uh again, uh to personal uhindividual situation.
Uh one fell one fellow he wastaking uh synthroid for his
thyroid, and he was also uhbegan taking clay for his
heartburn.
And life was good when he wastaking them apart, but he

(01:25:30):
decided to simplify his life anduse the clay water to swallow
the synthroid.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:34):
Uh oh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:36):
His synthroid immediately quit working.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:39):
He went back to taking them a few hours apart.
The synthroid worked, and theclay resolved his heartburn.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:46):
Nice.
Have you ever seen anybody withuh psych meds take clay?
And any any guidelines aroundthat?
Uh medications for the head,psychiatric medications?

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:55):
Uh no stories.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:56):
No stories about that one.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:57):
So again, if if it were me, I would take them as
you know, three or four hoursapart at least.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:06):
Uh but if in doubt, if it's a medication that
without it could belife-threatening, I wouldn't
take clay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:16):
Yeah.
Okay.
Good, good advice there.
So as always, get to know yourown body, find somebody that can
help you with it.
And uh there you go.
Okay.
I've I've got a few minutesleft, but I want to wrap up with
just is there any othermysterious illnesses that you've
seen clay help, or you're like,I didn't even think that it
would impact this.
Where like, I don't know if it'sinsomnia or any other strange
things that people have healedfrom.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:38):
Uh I'm glad you brought that up because there
are times when people will cometo me and they'll say, Well,
we'll help, will Clay help this,will Clay help that?
Things that I've never evenheard about.
So I tell people, if it were me,I would do three things.
I would drink, I would take itinternally, because often even
external issues are internalissues coming out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:02):
I would put it uh on topically, wherever there's an
oui, if there's a pain, ifthere's an itch, if there's a
wound, if there's a redness, ifthere's inflammation, wherever
there's an indication as towhere to put it topically, I
would put it on topically.
And the third thing I would dois I would bathe in it, either
full body bath or soak the feet.

(01:27:24):
So if I had some issue, I woulddo all three things.
There are people that come backand say, wow, it helped this, it
helped that.
Now, you mentioned insomnia.
I don't have any insomniastories.
Uh, I don't have enough weightloss stories to uh, you know,
mention weight loss.
Uh there are some that have saidit has helped, but again, not

(01:27:49):
enough stories.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:50):
Uh what about things like lipomas, skin tags, or
moles?
Have you seen anything where ithelps with those?

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:57):
Uh no.
Now, uh growths, uh, what do youcall them?
Tumors or uh yeah, what's it?
Oh abscesses.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:10):
Uh yeah, abscesses are are gross.
Yes.
Uh as far as scars, if if uh oldscars, I don't have any stories
of the clay helping old scars.
Now, new scars or or if thewound, if there's still healing
to be done, I would use theclay.

unknown (01:28:27):
I know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:28):
But old scars, uh baldness, ugliness, if it helped
ugliness, I wouldn't look likethis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:34):
Yeah, right, you would be the handsomest guy in
the world if you could.
Who knows more about clay?
Let's wrap up.
Show people your book there.
So I'll for people that arelistening and can't read that.
So he has a book called We EatClay and We Wear It Too.
And the subtitle is A User'sGuide of Practical Tips and
Techniques to Improve theHealing Results of Natural Clay.
And I can say it's a veryapproachable book.

(01:28:56):
It's 42 pages.
It's a great mix of why and howand some really inspiring
stories.
And so tell people where theycan find your book, where they
can find you, how to reach out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:05):
Okay.
Uh, you're gonna like my emailis weeatclay at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:11):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:12):
My my website.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:15):
It's also we eatclay.com, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:18):
We eat clay.
We eatclay.com is my website.
The website's very simple.
Uh basically, what you can getthere is a is a PDF copy of the
book uh for six bucks.
The book does have a link to theclass I teach on YouTube uh
where you can go and watch aclass.
Um, it also has a list of uhmistakes you can make as because

(01:29:41):
there are mistakes you can make.
Yeah, and a lot of times when Iteach my class, I get so excited
telling people all the thingsthe clay can do, I forget to
tell them, hey, there are somemistakes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:51):
And so they're listed in the in the back of the
book.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:54):
Uh yeah, we can only fit so much in one episode,
people.
So there is more to learn.
And I don't know how many peopleI can sit down with who've been
studying one topic and worked atmastery for 50 years.
So it's so cool to be able tohang out with you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:09):
And for people who who don't want the PDF,
electronic PDF version, I domail out hard copies so people
can email me, send me an email,and uh and I can tell, you know,
tell them how that how they canget a hard copy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:21):
All right, Neil.
Well, you are a wealth ofinformation and fascinating
story.
So thank you so much for takingthe time to chat with me today.
It has been an honor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:28):
Well, I I hope it helps people the way it's helped
help my family.
And and that's why I do this.
Uh, I was blessed.
Uh, God was very gracious tobring it into our lives and
bless our lives.
All eight children came into ahome where clay was there.
They've all been benefited fromclay, and so I want to help
other people benefit the way Iwas.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:49):
Well, it's an honor to amplify your work and help
some other people find somereally simple and expensive
solutions.
So thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:55):
Thank you, Christian.

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