Robyn Openshaw: Behind the Curtain of the Supplement Industry - Is What's in that Bottle Eroding Health and Wasting Money? - Deconstructing Conventional

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hello everyone.
Welcome to episode number 58.
There is a really good chancethis episode is going to save
you a lot of time and money andlikely improve your health as
well.
My guest today is RobinOpenshaw.
She and I have been friends fora few years now, and so I peek
in on her work from time to timeto see what I can learn from
what she has been researching.

(00:20):
And one topic I've been noodlingon for my new book is that the
world of supplements, and tryingto give people a grounded
perspective on what supplementsare and what they can and can't
do for you.
And in the last couple of years,I've done so many consultations
with people who have pivotedaway from the medical world only
to end up on a boatload ofsupplements, and many of which I

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don't think they need, or in theend, they would say didn't do
them any good.
So when I saw that Robin hasbeen looking deeply into both
the supplement industry and thelab testing industry, I reached
out to see if she would like todo an episode about it, and it
turns out she and her co-authorhave written a
yet-to-be-released deep diveinto the supplement industry,

(01:03):
and she was kind enough to sendme a copy of the book.
After reading it, I can say shedoes a great job of wrestling
with the monstrosity that is thesupplement world without being
hysterical and without callingout any particular companies.
But here's a fun data point.
Did you know that manypharmaceutical companies make
more money selling supplementsthan they do selling drugs?

(01:25):
Think about that for a second.
Many companies that areconvicted serial felons are
behind your supplements.
I think for too long thesupplement world has been veiled
behind a curtain of blind trust,and Robin's new book pulls back
the curtain.
What I think you'll hear in thisinterview is that the supplement
industry, like vaccines used tobe, is so entrenched in our

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culture.
Of course we all take vaccines,of course we all take
supplements, that it's hard toimagine asking critical
questions about the need formost of them in the first place.
And one of the things Iappreciated about Robin's new
book is that she lays out amethod of research that any of
us can engage in.
So we did our best to give youan overview, knowing that we
weren't going to be able tocover it all, but hopefully we

(02:08):
wet your appetite to check outthe book and give you the tools
to investigate your supplementsand what they're actually made
of and who makes them.
So, just as a disclaimer,nothing in this interview is
meant to be personal healthadvice.
We are not here to talk you intoor out of anything.
We are just trying to bring tolight some questions the
supplement industry and many ofthe medical or so-called

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alternative practitioners wouldprobably prefer you not ask.
I'm very curious to see how herbook and this episode do,
because I suspect it will be upto you, non-healthcare providers
who don't have a revenue streamon the line to share this
message far and wide.
So for what it's worth, bothRobin and I think there are a
handful of good companies andworthwhile supplements out

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there, but we'd agree thatroughly uh sorry, 99% of what
you'd find on Amazon or at thetypical supplement shop or the
supplement aisle is not worththe money and may actually be
detrimental to your health.
A couple other relevant thoughtsfor this episode.
Robin and I come from differentperspectives regarding diet.
I think I could safely say thatshe and I are both in the

(03:12):
omnivore camp, but she leansmuch more toward a plant-based
way of eating, and I nudgepeople toward high-quality
animal foods.
So I can say, despite ourdifferences in approach to diet,
both Robin and I have helped alot of people find wellness.
And if you have a way of eatingthat makes you feel healthy, I
am all for it.
So discussing the best humandiet is not necessarily the
point of this episode, but it isrelevant if you want to get your

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nutrition from food rather thanattempting to get it from pills.
So if you want to hear more mynutrition philosophy, you can
check out episodes six andseven.
Uh, also relevant is episodenumber five.
That is a monologue show I did acouple of years ago about the
world of supplements.
So check those out if you areinterested.
Uh lastly, and Robin mentionsthis in the interview, she is

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currently being sued for, waitfor it,$60 million for having
the nerve to warn people about acompany she believes is putting
poison on foods sold at mostpopular grocery stores.
So that is not my story to tell.
But what I can say is that Robinwould rather the company have to
defend their products than tocave to people who are trying to
bully others into being quiet.

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She is not backing down.
And we need more people likeher.
So it is an honor to amplify herwork.
And one way you can support heris by grabbing a copy of her new
book and sharing this episode.
So let's make a statement thatbusinesses that care more about
profits than our health will getbacklash from we the people.
Our power comes from notspending money with them and

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telling others why we choosedifferently.
You can pre-order Robin's newbook called Take Daily at
greensmoothiegirl.com slashhealing united.
I'll have a link for that in theshow notes as well as other
resources relevant to thisepisode.
Okay, without further ado, hereis my interview with a fearless
deep thinker and a woman ofstrong conviction who I admire

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very much.
Welcome to my conversation withRobin Openshaw.
Hello, everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
My guest is the lovely RobinOpenshaw.
So, a few things about thiswonderful woman.
She is a fellow health guru likeme who got into this work to get
her own health in order.
She had a vaccine injury herselfand she had a vaccine-injured
son.
She is known as the GreenSmoothie Girl, and part of

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growing into that involved asix-year 450 cities speaking to
her in the US and abroad.
She has a podcast called Vibe.
She's been a keynote speaker.
She is a wife, a mother of four,a former psychotherapist, former
college professor, author of atleast 16 books, including a
national bestseller.
She has also created and hostedinternational health retreats,

(05:46):
which we'll talk about that injust a second.
She has a substack for healthwarriors and preppers, and among
other things, describes herselfas an accidental activist and a
freedom fighter.
And you could probably tell bynow why her and I get along.
But uh last time we interviewedher was during the height of the
COVID hysteria, and the contentwas too hot for YouTube, so they
took it down.

(06:06):
So I just have a lot of respectfor her and how she will stick
her neck out to speak truth topower.
And today I wanted to bring heron to talk about her latest
book, which is all about thesupplement industry.
So, Robin, welcome to the show.
Thanks for hanging out with metoday.
Anything you want to add to myintro there?

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
That was a great intro.
Thank you, Christian, and gladto be here.
Good to see you again.

SPEAKER_00 (06:28):
You too.
Okay.
Well, anybody who's followed mywork or yours knows that neither
of us are averse to talkingabout controversial topics and
doing our best to apply somelevel-headed critical thinking
to hot button issues.
So there's a great quote by aguy named Eric Hofer that I
thought might set thisconversation up well.
He says, every great causebegins as a movement, becomes a

(06:50):
business, and eventuallydegenerates into a racket.
And I don't think that's alwaysthe case with causes, but I
think it's definitely applicableto the supplement industry as a
whole.
So, like you, I originallythought that supplements were
the opposite of pharmaceuticals,and neither of us think that way
anymore.
So you were kind enough to giveme an advanced copy of your
book, uh, your newsoon-to-be-released book, Take

(07:11):
Daily, How Supplements HijackYour Health.
So it's a provocative title, butI think the book delivers.
You did a great job, and I thinkit's a much-needed expose and
example of critical thinkingthat I haven't seen applied to
the supplement industry yet.
So uh if you would, let's startoff, I guess, with the story of
the new therapy that youexperienced at a health retreat
in Switzerland back in thesummer of 2024.

(07:33):
And my understanding is thatthat experience was kind of the
impetus for starting to questionsupplements and it eventually
led to your new book.
So tell us that story.

SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
Yeah, so I wouldn't say that um over a year ago when
I saw a bag of what looked likepetrochemical substances come,
an entire bag get filtered outof my blood.
Then you could tell with itsitting there in the sunlight
was petrochemical.

SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
Yeah, here it is.
This is from your blog post.
For those of you watching this,you can see that on the screen
now.
This is from your blog post whyI won't take 99% of supplements
ever again.
But yeah, tell us about thismotor oil looking thing on the
screen.

SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Yeah, so that little that smaller bag on top, I mean,
that's probably like a pint ofbasically what looks like motor
oil.
And then in that lower bag,that's water and then some stuff
mixed in, including inflammatoryproteins, and there's some heavy
metals at the bottom.
But I was really shocked becauseI was seeing everybody who came
with me to this retreat thatwe've held like 15 times

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annually in Switzerland.
I was seeing the same amount ofstuff coming out of my blood
that other people's were, and Iwas like, this doesn't make
sense.
I actually had been down therabbit hole over and over and
over again.
So it wasn't brand new for me toquestion supplements.
Like, I think that theThanksgiving before I sort of
fell down the rabbit holeresearching AI was new, and I

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spent the entire Thanksgivingweekend studying
cholicalciferol, falsely knownas vitamin D.
That's a whole chapter.
Yeah, we're gonna go back alittle bit.
Yeah, I mean, we have to becareful not to completely fall
down the rabbit hole on justjust vitamin D or what you know
the supplement is ischolciferol, which is a

(09:20):
byproduct of the sheep woolindustry.
And so, you know, I had takenquite a bit of time.
I'd I'd taken days looking atascorbic acid, falsely called
vitamin C.
And so I wasn't new to it, butthen when I saw that bag of what
was clearly petrochemical comeout of my blood, I was like, why

(09:42):
would I have the same exposurethat other people do when I've
been eating a plant-based wholefood diet for a few decades now,
since my vaccine injury ingraduate school when I was
required to get the flu vaccineand I was in my 20s and I didn't
um, you know, I didn't even knowanything about exemptions.
I had never had anyone tell methat vaccines weren't safe and

(10:03):
effective.
My gut told me don't do it.
I didn't want to do it.
If I if they would have handedme a piece of paper that said
yes or no, I would have said no.
But I went to get that fluvaccine and it changed my life,
and I spent four years more orless in bed.
So, like I felt like I hadalready climbed out of a hole,
you know, a deep dark blackhole, which is what makes the
greatest healers, right?

(10:24):
The wounded healers.
You and I have talked about thisbefore.
Um, but when I saw that bag ofpetrochemicals or was filtered
out of my own blood, and Iwatched it happen, there's no
petrochemical solvent productthat went in.
I could literally see my bloodleave my body and I could see
everything that happened in thatin that machine.
It never went inside themachine.
Um, there's there was nothingthat came out of my blood that

(10:46):
wasn't already there.
So that's about when I Irealized I need to research
this, I need to research that.
Where are all thesepetrochemical where are they
coming from?
And it and I I pretty quicklyarrived at solvents.
And where am I getting thesolvent exposure since I eat
organic food?

(11:07):
I grow a lot of my food.
Um, I don't I don't much eveneat animal products because they
have, you know, I'm not tryingto get anybody to be a vegan,
but you know, there'sconcentrated um in animal
tissues if if it's being raiseduh in the ways that most

(11:27):
people's meat is.
Right?
There you're gonna getconcentrated, you know,
herbicides, pesticides, um,steroids, hormones, antibiotics.
So I don't I don't even hardlyever eat an animal product.
I'm like, wow, I've been doingso much for my health.
What why would I have all this?
Well, I don't wanna I don'twanna like show any brands here,

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but I have taken more than myshare of supplements.
You know, people send them to mefor free constantly.
And I hear all the marketing forit because of what I do,
educating people and writingbooks about health and wellness.
And so probably I've taken 10times more supplements than
everyone else.
So every single time I startedresearching a specific

(12:12):
supplement, I discovered thepetrochemical solvents that were
used in the manufacture of thatsupplement, which, you know,
they'll always tell you, oh, wetry to get the solvents out and
the heavy metals out, but theycan't get it all out.
And so, what's the cumulativeeffect of taking all these
supplements?
Plus, we all have this likemindset from being conditioned

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for decades that we don'tquestion that they're natural
and that they give us what ourfood doesn't, even though you
can you can if you just thinkfor a minute and you look at
pills like this, if our fooddoesn't have enough vitamin C in
it, why does this kind of brownlooking or white looking pill

(12:55):
like what's in it that costs me15 cents that makes up for not
eating a healthy diet?
How does that even make sense?

SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
Yeah.
All right, well, with that goodcontext, so before we get into
kind of the, I guess what I'vecome to appreciate is the
somewhat ubiquitous nature ofquestionable ingredients and
supplements.
Let's just talk about what youfound about supplements from a
business or industry angle,because I think similar to food
packaging, we have this wherethey have idyllic forms and
sunsets on the picture andanimals out on pasture.

(13:27):
There's this idea we have withsupplements that the, you know,
the average consumer thinksthere's this mom and pop
organization and they've got abig um field full of herbs and
they pick it and bring it intotheir warehouse and they crush
it into a mortar and pestle andsquish it into a pill.
And that's what how thesupplement industry works.
So give us your insight, pullback the curtain a little bit
onto how these ingredients areprocured.

(13:50):
Where are most of them comingfrom?
And how consolidated is thisindustry?

SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
To cut to cut to the chase, there's no food involved
in the vast majority ofsupplements.
No herbs involved, there's nofood involved.
And so, like over the course ofyears, you know, you've probably
looked at a lot of labels andyou see something that might say
like vitamin C and thenparentheses, pyridoxine.
And so you've come to believethat this substance called

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pyridoxine is vitamin B.
And you just assume in your mindthat that is the compound in
your body that either your bodymakes, some people are aware
that your body makes somevitamins, um, with a complex
interplay of a few differentorgans that science doesn't
really understand, hasn't reallystudied.

(14:37):
But it was literally a hundredyears ago that some really early
scientists uh actually inventedthe concept of a vitamin.
It's called something slightlydifferent, but it came to be
called a vitamin.
And then because of somemolecular similarity between
some substances that you canfind and obtain very, very

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inexpensively, because prettymuch all of these pills, it
turns out, are made from somebyproduct of another industry,
and then they end up in a pillbeing called a vitamin, and we
are being told these deficiencystories, most of which are
false.
Like, like most things, there'sa kernel of truth.
Like there, there are thingsthat we're deficient in, just

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not very many.
And our body serves us betterthan we think, and our food
serves us better than we think.
And our food and getting in thesunlight and being active are
far more of the answer thanpeople want it to be because
they want it to be the magicpill.
So, like, we can't lay all theblame on the industry, we can't

(15:38):
lay all the blame on thefunctional medicine doctors who
are prescribing as many pills asthe allopathic medical doctors.
But basically, it was thepharmaceutical industry that
invented this concept ofvitamins.
Um, not a lot of great researchbehind it, but they basically
have hyper focused on molecules.

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And if they find a molecule thatthis, let's say pyridoxine has
in common with something thatthey've decided is called
vitamin B6 or B9 or B12 or B1 orB2, then it just became sort of
codified in big pharma and bigchemistry.

(16:20):
And those two kind of gotmarried, and now we have most of
our big pharmaceutical companieshave a nutraceutical side of the
house.
And people can hear that andthey it doesn't even make them
go, wait a minute.
Why is there a nutraceutical?
What and they don't even reallythink like what's a
nutraceutical?
Well, it's your supplements andyour vitamins.
So to make a long story short,we think of these supplements as

(16:45):
being the opposite of drugs andpharma when really they're more
like kissing cousins made by thesame companies.

SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
Yeah.
Well, I was surprised to learnfrom your book that some
pharmaceutical companies makemore money in supplements than
they do in drugs, and that 70%of a lot of different things
come from China or India andjust giant factories of people
wearing hazmat suits to make theingredients.
So give people a little morewindow into that manufacturing
or that the verticals thatdifferent pharmaceutical

(17:14):
companies have, and um, maybesome of the rigors that uh we
think are their packagingnatural molecules when that's
really just other things.

SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
Yeah, remember several years ago listening to a
guy with a master's degree innutrition who had worked for a
pharmaceutical company but onthe nutraceutical side of the
house.
And he said that he sat in ameeting well before the year
2000 where they discussed thefact that they anticipated

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revenue-wise that they would bemaking more money on supplements
after the year 2000 than ondrugs.
And so they wanted more emphasisthere, and they they knew they
knew what where the growth wasgonna be.
And there's been a really fiercebacklash against the side
effects of drugs, and you know,if you if you see it as two

(18:09):
sides of the same coin or thenutraceutical and the drug side
of the same company, then itstarts to make more sense.
There's now so much overlap.
For instance, like I feel likedrugs are getting such a bad rap
that they're starting to call alot of drugs peptides because
peptides are basically it's likeprotein, like what isn't a

(18:30):
protein and what isn't apeptide?
And so it's this meaninglessword, and they know that the
public doesn't know what it isand how ubiquitous it is, and
how most of the body is made upof compounds that could be
called peptides or that couldcould be called proteins.
And so they've they've justmanaged to pull a lot of
nonsense over on us by, youknow, I mean, we could go

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sideways on the whole protein orobsession with macronutrients,
and we could talk about how justabout everything is protein, and
so you could take some garbagethrowaway uh product of some
food industry and multi-purposeit and get more profit out of
the same industry, such as thedairy industry, that's how whey
protein came to be.

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And then once they could makebags of you know, whey protein
was something they used to throwaway, because the only thing
they could think of to say aboutit that's good is well, it's
protein.
So, in order to keep supportingthat fiction, we got to like
over-emphasize protein and actto everyone out there in the
consumer world like protein isbetter than fats and

(19:33):
carbohydrates, and that they'reall super different.
Not let's let's not let let themfocus on the fact that there's
proteins, fats, andcarbohydrates in every single
food.
Yeah, and let's just focus onthose ratios and get the
dietitians and the nutritioniststalking about that, and all the
influencers and all the doctors,and get everybody obsessed with
proteins, fats, and carbs.

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We need all three.
So I probably went aside fromfrom what you originally asked
me, but um you're you're doingfine.

SPEAKER_00 (20:04):
There's so much to cover, even just scripting out,
kind of mapping out what to talkabout.
I was like, man, there's just wecould talk for hours.
So I'll see if I can.

SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Oh, I know it was it was the China, the fact that the
vast majority are are producedin China and India.
So a good example would be umascorbic acid.
So this was one of the earliestvitamins.
Okay, those of you who arelistening and not watching, I'm
making quote marks in the airwith vitamins.
One of the earliest vitaminsdiscovered is that um everybody

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listening to this thinks thatascorbic acid is vitamin C.
Well, any of you can go use anyAI tool and ask it, you know,
you have to ask it goodquestions, but what are all the
different components of vitaminC?
And you will find that ascorbicacid is one of a whole bunch of
different compounds.
So saying that ascorbic acid,which is literally made from the

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byproducts of geneticallymodified corn made into corn
starch or corn syrup, you takethose byproducts and you make
ascorbic acid.
Saying that that ascorbic acidis vitamin C is kind of like
saying that the chaff of wheat,which people who read the Bible

(21:22):
get this one really quickly.
Saying that chaff is bread, oreven that chaff is wheat, or
that chaff is food.

unknown (21:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Okay, that's about that's a very, very good
metaphor for trying to callascorbic acid vitamin C.

SPEAKER_02 (21:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:39):
And you should all prove this to yourselves.
You should all go research this.
I mean, there's a there's achapter in the book here.
Here's my co-author from the UK.
He was, I don't know how wellyou can see this, but he's the
only headmaster in the UK.
There's 4,500 of them, 30-yearheadmaster who stood up to
vaccine mandates in the UK.

(22:00):
And so he's no longer aheadmaster.
And so, you know, he worked withme on this book.
And and I brought him in becauseit was really great to have
somebody who's who wasn't waydown the rabbit hole like I was,
but he cares about transparency,he cares about consumer health
advocacy, he um he hasn't had toget his health back, he just
eats healthy food and he's fitand he's never taken

(22:23):
supplements.
So I took 10,000 supplements,probably over the course of
decades, and he took like zero.
So he knew nothing aboutsupplements, but I would I would
tell him things like, okay,ascorbic acid isn't really
vitamin C.
So go learn that because he wasa good researcher and he'd
already written several books ofhis own.
And I was like, and go learn howum and and I'm uh my figures not

(22:48):
might not be exactly right, butgo learn where ascorbic acid is
made.
Like I want to say 90% of it ismade in Chinese um manufacturing
plants and um whether ascorbicacid is really vitamin C.
And he just would he kept comingback to me and he would like

(23:08):
have researched it deeply andspent a week writing about it.
And he was like, Oh my gosh, youwere right.
Um, this is blowing my mind.
So I took my parts and he tookhis parts, and we just went
after one supplement afteranother after another, learning
what it's made of, what its basematerial is, what all the
chemicals are that are involvedin manufacturing it.

(23:32):
And we give you like, we don'twant you to just believe us
because you read the chapter onthe B vitamins, which are mostly
made of petrochemicals and acidsand heavy metals, and there's no
food involved in 99% plus of theB vitamin, and and this will

(23:53):
make people mad.
And I didn't even go to Simonand Schuster, who published my
last book, or my publisherbefore that.
I didn't even go to them becauseI don't I knew they didn't
weren't gonna want this book, orthey would say, we'll publish
this book, and then somebodywould pay money to deep six this
book because you know there'speople who are like, Oh, pharma
is gonna hate your book.

(24:14):
No, farm or pharma is gonna loveyour book.
No, pharma is the supplementindustry.
Yeah, you everybody has to getclear that they are one and the
same.
And that doesn't mean that therearen't supplement companies that
are mom and pop shops and maybethey really are wild harvesting
some herb.
I know companies like that.

(24:35):
I am a company like that.
I only have a couple ofsupplements because the vast
majority of them are justdipping into the supply chains
to answer your question, buyingthe same product from mostly
Indian and Chinese manufacturingcompanies that are selling
literally billions of dollars ayear worth of just think of them
as big wide rivers of supply.

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And thousands of brands aredipping into that river and
taking that preserved lastsyears in the supply chain, isn't
going to separate out if it's aliquid, all it's all chemicals
that achieve those things.
You know, even if you findyourself a supplement that's

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made of all food, and and I knowof a brand that seems to be all
food, you're still taking itlike two years after that plant
was harvested.
It's been even in the best ofconditions, dried, um, bottled,
chipped.
By the time you're swallowingit, it's probably an average of

(25:40):
about two years old.
And people know, like it theyalways understand this when I
say if if you're gonna get asalmon fillet out of your
freezer and put it on yourcounter to barbecue tonight,
what if you forgot about it andyou didn't see it, like for
whatever reason you didn't seeit till two years from now?
Would you be like, oh, I forgotabout that salmon fillet two

(26:04):
years later.
I'll barbecue it tonight.
Would anyone do that?
No, would you do it?

SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
Hopefully not.

SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
No, I think you would not, and everybody
understands that, but then theydon't think about the fact that
their fish oil, which was one ofmy pivotal moments, Christian,
does it is going to um Expo Westin California.
I used to go every year just tosee like what new products are.
I kept learning more and moreabout what these products are
made of, and I kept asking likemore lasered in questions that

(26:32):
the average consumer doesn'tthink of to ask.
Well, I came to this row of, Imean, Expo West is one of the 10
biggest trade shows in theworld, and it's like everything
in the world of natural health,right?
Like there's not 1% of the stuffthat they sell there that I want
to eat.
But, anyways, I come to this rowand it's all Chinese companies.

(26:53):
All the signage is in Chinese,and I was just like, What is
this?
And I went up to one of theusually I've just walked past
it, but one year I was like, I'mI'm gonna find out what it is
they sell here.
So I went over, found someonewho spoke English, and I said,
What is it that your companysells?
And they said, Well, we sell thechemicals for the deodorizing

(27:16):
and purifying of fish oilcapsules because it's a
multi-billion dollar industry,and we can't have the consumer
having that um rancid fish oilburr.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
They said this to me.
They like they said this to me,like like, are you are you a
fish oil company?
Because if so, then we we wouldsell you these chemicals.
And I was like, Really?
And asking questions like, howold is the fish oil by the time
the consumer takes it?
That's how I found out.
It's literally years.
And then I said, How about allthese other companies that are

(27:53):
Chinese here on this whole row?
And the person said, Yeah, we'reall we're all selling chemicals
for deodorizing and purifying umfish oil.

SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
Well, that leads me to one of the easy ways to find
these.
And I'm gonna get to how youused AI in a second, but you one
place you can look on youringredient label is other
ingredients, and that is whereyou can find a lot of the
binders and coatings andanti-caking agents or bulking
agents.
And so tell some people some ofjust what you learned about you

(28:26):
mentioned throwaway products ofindustry, whether it's corn or
whether it's dairy, but thereare other industries that have
some sort of throwaway productand like, hey, there's a
molecule similar to this here,and we can turn that into
something else.
Give people a few more examplesof some of the things, some of
the raw materials that end up insupplements.

SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
Yeah, because if some industry throws it away,
like let's just say the oremining industry, okay?
So we're mining for copper orfor whatever metal.
There's all these rocks that getdug up and they used to have to

(29:08):
find a way to dispose of them.
So it used to be a cost centerfor them.
It was expensive for them tofind a place to get rid of the
rocks when they're looking forthe metal.
Let's just say gold.
Just because we all know whatgold is.
So what do you think happens tothose rocks?
What if the company mining formetals can find a way to sell

(29:31):
that rock, even if it's supercheap, it goes from being a cost
center to being a profit center.
If you know what it turns out,rocks are super high in
minerals.

unknown (29:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
You know what?
And and people are this is oneof the actually true deficiency
stories.
People are mineral deficientbecause of the way that we've
farmed for decades now.
We don't leave a field followfor a year and have the cows
poop on it and reach.
Generate the soil.
You know all this.
And my guess is your audience isaware of this too.

(30:04):
We actually do have a mineraldeficiency.
I don't think the evidence isthere that we have a vitamin
deficiency.
I don't think that's a truestory.
Um most of the the the wholevitamin D deficiency story, we
can talk about how that fraudstarts with the lab test, but
we'll set that aside.
We'll get there.
Okay.
So rocks, it turns out, aresuper high in minerals.

(30:25):
And people are deficient inminerals.
So what if we just gave or soldfor cheap the rocks like
limestone that we dig up fromore mining to the supplement
manufacturers or big chem,because they're they're all in
contracts with each other,right?
Like, where's the head of thebeast?
Kind of hard to figure out.
It'll take you a while to figureit out if you care enough.

(30:48):
But the point is they worktogether, big, huge
manufacturing companies, bigchem, big pharma supplements.
They're all married together.
And if you grind up rocks,that's where your cost is.
Your cost isn't in acquisitionof the actual product.
The rocks are really, really, asit turns out, cheap to come by
because limestone is being dugdug up in quarries every day.

(31:11):
But you do have to grind it up,and that's where your cost is.
And then you can sell it to theconsumer for 40 bucks a bottle.
And they feel like they arefilling a nutritional deficiency
because rocks are actuallyreally high in minerals.
Unfortunately, the way God madeus, we don't our bodies don't

(31:32):
really recognize rocks as food.
So we don't really digest orassimilate or eliminate rocks
very well.

SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
One of some of the things youpointed out in your book were
things like rocks and chalk andseashells, or even they scrape
the bottom of a lake bed afterthey drain it and they just
package that into a pill.
You also had other things thatsurprise me, like um fertilizer
industry, the sand and glassindustry, um, even you mentioned
duck feathers earlier, but humanhuman hair and sawdust, all of

(32:02):
these things are different waysthat they package into the
often, these are where they showup.
It's not the minerals thatthey're trying to give you, but
it's the other packaging agentsor what they make the capsules
out of.
And so we're hopefully taking alittle bit of nutrition.
At the same time, we're probablytaking a little bit of something
that our body has to process.
So, anything else in thequestionable ingredient area

(32:23):
that you want to put on thetable just so people are aware
of it?

SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
I mean, there's so many things.
Like once somebody did thissuccessfully, and I gave you for
an exit an example of how theprotein in a bag industry was
born was the dairy industrygoing, how can we get more money
out of our process here?
Genius idea.
Let's take this throwaway yellowliquid stuff the way, dry it,
and sell it to consumers andtell them that it's a health

(32:48):
food and that they they needmore protein.
I mean, there's we don't haveprotein deficiency problems.
We you get from any decent dietas much protein as you can
really metabolize.
Um, but the protein baggedproteins that you can measure
with a scoop, people love thatkind of stuff.
They can they can quantify itand they can count the grams,

(33:09):
and doctors love it.
They tell people how many gramsto get, and then they sell them
their protein, their theirbagged protein, uh, the bars.
We know exactly how many gramswe can get.
People like to feel like theyhave control over their diet, so
it kind of hits on a lot ofdifferent levels.
But yeah, like the wood pulp orthe sawdust, to find out that
this was a like a base material,not sometimes a filler too, but

(33:33):
you know what?
They just call it somethingelse.
Like I think it'shypomellocellulose.
Have you se cellulose?
Yeah, guys, look it up.
You've got AI now, and you canuse you go check it in three
different AI programs, justscanning the internet.
This information is out there,but you have to ask

(33:54):
sophisticated questions, whichwe just got better and better.
And the the industry willeventually shut this information
down, which is why I had Mikecome in and we just went hard
and we both spent hundreds ofhours and wrote this book
because AI hadn't yet beengatekeeping for the industry.
We watched it happen.

(34:14):
I watched it happen with GreenSmoothie Girl, my website.
People used to find my contentif it was the best content out
there on a topic.
And we watched 2007, 2008, 2009,we watched Google eliminate us.

SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
You mean eight, 17, 18, 19?
Is that what you mean?
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
Uh yes.
It was 20 about 2017 where westarted to see it happen, and it
was happening to everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Um, uh a lot of our friends, like their whole
business models were reallydependent on organic search.
And so they would do really highquality content, and people
would find them and follow them.
And they had grown organicallygrown their small business that
fed their families from doingthe best content out there.
And this just kind of went away.

(35:00):
It went away fast, and we allkind of banded together to go,
what happened?
Like all of us, I could see allmy colleagues.
We all lost 80 and 90 and 95percent of our traffic.

SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Yeah, I saw Killing within a yeah.
I think it was one month in2019.
She had like a quarter of amillion hits to her website
every month, and it dropped tozero the next month.
All this right before COVIDkicks off.
Like all of us naturally mindedhealth people just disappeared
from the internet.
And you're saying there's aprobably a timeline before this,
what you've been able to findabout the supplement industry

(35:32):
possibly disappears from theinternet as well.

SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
Right.
My website, Green Smoothie Girl,was getting millions of visitors
a year, and then we saw thatthey can, through the algorithm,
keep us out and prioritize thosewho are paying Google.
And Google became verypay-to-play.
And so we we know that AI isgoing to adapt and try to keep

(36:00):
us away from the informationthat we put in this book.
So we wanted to find it, and andwe kind of have to like teach
people how to find thisinformation because they're
gonna try to debunk us when theystart gatekeeping, and they
already are starting to.
It got kind of hard for us tofind information, but we just
kept going around them and wewould call AI out when it would

(36:21):
give us information we knew waswrong.
We'd say, Stop gatekeeping andgive us this.
We'd just be more specific andit'll apologize to you.
It doesn't have any feelings, soit'll say, Okay, here's the
information you want.

SPEAKER_00 (36:33):
Yeah, I heard somebody, I can't remember who
was telling me this last week ortwo.
It might have been my wife, shewas looking something up, and AI
just gave a completely fakestudy.
It had a link for it and alittle long URL, and then it
actually admitted, like, I justmade that up, it's not real.
Like, there's there's so much inthe world of shenanigans, but
there it is a a it's another uhclient I have who's into SEO

(36:57):
said uh AI is replacing organicsearch, it's got a bigger
capability to aggregate data.
So let's give the listener alittle effort or a little sense
of the effort you put into itand some of the prompts you came
up with.
So, by the way, if any of youlistening to this, you might
even pause the interview, typesome of these in and see what
you can find.
But you created this series ofquestions or ways to get around

(37:19):
kind of the marketing talkingpoints.
So, give them some examples ofthings you would put into an AI
search that helped you get someof the information that you were
able to put into the book.

SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
So it's 2025 when Christian and I are talking.
We spent um the first half of2025 doing the research,
documenting sources, and doingour writing, knowing that
someone might hear thisinterview with Christian and
Robin in 2028 and go out into AIand be unable to duplicate what

(37:54):
we found.
This is very frustrating to us,but since I lived through Google
uh eliminating us out of thesearch results, it's not that
they took my website off theinternet.
It's that when people arelooking for the kind of content
that I developed, they're gonnahave to scroll for pages and
pages, which people don't do,and Google knows it.

(38:15):
So anyway, uh I'll tell you amagic term for us is a great
starting point.
And then sometimes we did twoand four and eight searches past
this to get additionalinformation and context.
But we started with and you canwrite this down base materials

(38:38):
and chemicals involved in themanufacturing of fill in the
blank ascorbic acid.
Okay, so chemicals used in themanufacturing of ascorbic acid.
So see what you've done here isyou've told AI, so they can't
serve you up some marketing wordsalad.

(38:59):
You've told them that you knowthat it's a manufactured
product.
You know, then I we we would gopast it and we would say things
like, what percentage of theworld's ascorbic acid is
manufactured in China?
Because we had figured out thatChina is where most of this
stuff is manufactured.
Okay.
Kind of easy to import it fromChina when we have such opacity,

(39:23):
we don't have transparency, wecan't really look into their
supply chains, we don't knowmuch about their corn, we don't
know what else is added, and itgets imported into the US and
it's super cheap because theirlabor really like they have
cheaper labor.
We can't even compete with it.
You can't hire someone forminimum wage for what Chinese,
you know, Chinese workers willwork for far less.

(39:45):
And so that's neither here northere, but all these things are
contributing for why umdeveloping nations like India
and China have massive factorieswhere they work people very long
hours and they can more get awaywith what we would consider
human rights abuses of exposingthem to a lot of chemicals and

(40:06):
wearing wearing a heavy, hothazmat suit every day.
But you know, people think ofvitamin C IVs as being, oh, I'm
getting a I'm getting a megadoseof vitamin C, which really helps
my my immune system.
And I believed that one for areally long time.
And then I was like, when I wasin school year and I would see

(40:26):
the the bags of quote unquotevitamin C, I'd think it doesn't
make sense to me.
I had a thousand thoughts likethis, but this is an example.
I'd look at that clear liquidvitamin C bag, and I would think
every food I've ever seen that Iknow to be high in vitamin C is
really colorful.

(40:48):
It's yellow, orange, um, red,right?
I mean, oranges and red bellpeppers.
And I'm like, why is this bag ofvitamin C a clear liquid?
And it's always a clear liquid.
I don't care whether it'sglutathione or B vitamins or
whatever, it's some kind of verysynthetic looking clear liquid
that will go through the littletube and then will go through

(41:10):
the catheter and into yourveins.
What is it?
So I started researching it, andascorbic acid, the liquid form,
if it went directly into yourveins, it would burn so fast
that you would start screamingand you would rip that needle
out or you would get the nurseto come take it out.
And so it's actually this verychemicalized ascorbic acid made

(41:30):
in mostly China and 50% bufferedwith something to pH balance it
that's very alkaline calledsodium ascorbate.
So you're not getting vitamin Cin a bag, you are getting a
pharmaceutical product made by apharmaceutical company that is

(41:51):
half sodium ascorbate to bufferhow acidic the ascorbic acid is.

SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
Yeah.
Well, and so then you so you'vegot this first prompt or for a
couple prompts where you ask itto what is the base material use
or what's the process formanufacturing a given thing.
But then you another fun detailwas you took it a step further
and you just asked it todescribe the uh questions or
questions about this, whatpetrosolvents were there and

(42:18):
what is the safety profile ofyou fill in the blank with
whatever chemical it gave you.
So whether it's hexane oracetone, which in case you don't
know is fingernail polishremover.
These are the kind ofpetrochemical solvents that are
in a part of breaking apartthese molecules.
And so you told it to search fora safety profile.
And um, so tell people a littlebit about that and the material

(42:40):
safety and data sheets they canget.

SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Yeah, material safety and data sheets.
So MSDS.
Just ask it for MSDS on acetone.
Okay, you mentioned that as oneof the petrochemical solvents
that is also sold as fingernailpolish remover.
It's such a strong acid that itwill literally take your
fingernail polish off.

(43:03):
Now, would you like to drink?
Would you like to have a drinkof acetone?

unknown (43:08):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (43:08):
No?
No.
There was this side note, butthere was a guy, my son was just
researching this for his debateabout GMOs, but some Monsanto
shill was so his job was toconvince people that glyphosate
was harmless.
And so the interviewer asked himon camera if he would drink some
of it because it was so safe.
Because he had said I drink acup of it.

(43:29):
He's like, actually, we havesome here.
And the guy who left theinterview wouldn't keep going
because it's it's something likethat.
It's the acetone, it's theglyphosate, it's the chemical
that nobody would ever touch.
That is part of how theseproducts come together.
And they tell you that we didour best to get it all out and
just we we just have to go withblind trust to believe they're
doing it.

SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
And they do, they have their, you know, chemical
paper towels to try to get thesolvents and the heavy metals
out.
And as you know, Christian, I'mI've been sued for$60 million by
a company who is really mad thatI'm talking about the fact that
their product, which coats ourfood, is has heavy metals and

(44:08):
solvents in it because they wantto pretend like it's all taken
out, except that it's not.

SPEAKER_02 (44:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
And so I asked you, would you like a would you like
a glass of acetone?
Would you like a glass of nailpolish remover?
And you laughed and said, No.
How about a how about a half ofa thimble full?
Would you like that much?

SPEAKER_00 (44:26):
There's no amount I would like to adjust.

SPEAKER_01 (44:28):
So no, right.
So no to the okay, so here'swhat FDA does because they got
like the they got steamrolledand then the truck backed up
over the FDA.
And environmental working groupestimates there's somewhere
north of a thousand chemicalsthat got into our food without
the FDA and the public evenbeing notified.

(44:49):
So we don't know what all is inour food, which makes it that
much more important that we growsome, that we buy locally, that
we spend the money on organic.
And with this company who issuing me for$60 million and
blaming me for all of the damageto its reputation, even though
there's literally thousands ofcontent creators out there
getting millions of viewstalking about this product, um,

(45:14):
where this company did not tellus what was in its product for
years until the came to publicattention and public started
screaming, and then theydisclosed what was in their
product, and the public got evenmadder and has decided that I'm
the one to blame, and then sendout the lawsuit against me to
all the others to tell them totake down their to take down

(45:35):
their content.
Look what we did to her, takedown your content because you
know they're they're company,they want to have revenues and
they want to have profit, andthe the economy is rough.
And so let's just shut everybodyup.
Everybody who's speaking upabout it and saying, Hey, I got
my health back, uh getting offof these emulsifier fats.
That's one of the things that'sin supplements.

(45:56):
And I don't want to eat them.

unknown (45:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Okay, they can call it food, they can call it
edible, they can eat it if theywant.
I'd love to do an interview withthe founders of them and have
watch them drink a cup ofemulsifiers, then just keep them
on for an hour and see how theyfeel.
But you know what?
Here's right.
And if I eat a pill with someacetone in it, it's probably
going there.
That manufacturer will make surethat it's below the allowable

(46:21):
amount of solvents remaining inthe product.
What if I take it every daythough?
And what if my body doesn'teliminate it well, which it
doesn't?
Then I end up with a bag ofsolvents that I had to do for a
few, I had to do a bloodfiltering protocol in
Switzerland for a few thousanddollars to get all that junk out

(46:43):
of my body that was puttingputting me at risk for all kinds
of diseases.
So that's my point, is just thatthere's no amount of acetone
that you want to eat.
But FDA and all of ourregulatory agencies, EPA, FDA,
they just try to keep itminimal, but the effect is
cumulative.
And that's the problem I have asa mother and as a consumer of

(47:04):
food.

SPEAKER_00 (47:05):
Yeah, well, and it's the same show with drugs where
the FDA relies upon themanufacturer to be transparent
and to do their own studies andto tell them how much is left
over.
And they don't do their ownstudies, they just rely on the
manufacturer.
And then it's on us, the publicor people like yourself to go do
the research to go, oh, there'sthere's reason for concern here.
But stop me if you've heard thisbefore.

(47:26):
Safe and effective.
Like that's just we just want usto just be repeated enough and
and trust us, trust us, and theexperts did this, and it's big
pharma and it's big chemicalthat are behind most of your
supplements.
And does safe and effectivesound trustworthy anymore?
So it's again, neither of us aretelling you don't take
supplements or you are crazy fordoing it.
We're just saying try to asksome critical questions,

(47:48):
understand who's making it, andand make your informed
decisions.
But um, I think hopefully theera of blind trust in pills that
we pop has we've peaked andwe're coming away from that now.
We can start going back to howfood should be or used to be.
So anything else you want toadd?

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
Yeah, I don't think that before COVID that uh the
the public could have handledthis book.
I don't think that there wouldbe the demand for it or the
willingness to suspend yourbelief that these supplements
are all natural and filling infor nutritional gaps.
The public is ready for thisbecause they got lied to so

(48:24):
egregiously in the last sixyears with the safe and
effective story that now thatthey're now they're willing to
listen.
Well, is that ascorbic acidactually vitamin C?
Is is it do I need a mega dose?
Can my body even process or usea megadose?
How if so, why isn't that in ourfood?

(48:45):
Why didn't God leave us short?
If I can't even eat fruits allday long and get what's in one
pill of ascorbic acid, if you'regonna call that vitamin C.
I I just the more questions Iasked, the more questions I had.

SPEAKER_00 (49:00):
And probably the fewer satisfactory answers you
had too.

SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Well, and the more I saw the playbook.

SPEAKER_00 (49:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:07):
And and how you had a quote, and I heard you say it
at the very beginning of how itstarts as a movement, becomes an
industry, and then you can't getrid of it.
Like that's why this company,this$60 million company, or not
$60 million company, but they'resuing me for$60 million.
That's why I won't vouch themand I won't publish a retraction

(49:28):
and an apology and say thattheir product is non-toxic
because I don't believe it to benon-toxic.
I think that there's heavymetals and solvents in small
amounts, but that it'scumulative.
And so I won't make theirstatement and I and I won't do
the things that they're doing.
They also are they they alsothink that somebody out there is
paying us or organizing us, andthey accuse me of being the one

(49:50):
to organize it.
And I'm like, we are consumers,we are moms, we are dads, we are
people who have to fight toprotect our own health from
invisible stuff on our fruitsand vegetables.
That's why the outrage, that'swhy you have literally millions
and millions and millions ofviews on this content is that

(50:13):
we're concerned as consumers.
This is our food you're talkingabout.
Yeah, it's life sustaining.
We're not we're not out to getyou.
There's no malice, which theythey have in their lawsuit.
Malice and every euphemism inthe thesaurus for malice is is
what I'm guilty of.
Uh no, I just don't wantinvisible stuff on my food.

(50:37):
I'm already having to fight withglyphosate.
And so I won't admit, I won't goout there and say this is
non-toxic.
I retract everything I've saidabout it.
Uh, it's edible, it's perfectlylegitimate.
I won't do it because that's howglyphosate got in the door.
And once it becomes abillion-dollar industry, and

(50:59):
that's part of the playbook thatI see over and over again is
when it becomes a billion-dollarindustry, it's going to take an
act of God or an act of Congressto get rid of it.

SPEAKER_00 (51:08):
Yeah.
Well, and that's part of what Iadmire about you is just the
backbone to stand up and saysomebody's got to fight this.
And you have taken your morethan your share of arrows.
I know other parts of your storywe don't have time for, but
yeah, the amount of flack you'vegotten for asking the
inconvenient questions is high.
And just from the rest of us,thank you for doing that.

(51:28):
And sorry you have anotherlawsuit to slug out here, but
you're doing God's work and weappreciate it.
So um, all right.
Well, let's let's talk a littlebit.
We don't have time to get intoall the different chapters and
categories of supplements.
We've kind of hinted at some ofthem, but let's let's zoom in on
a few of more of the popularsupplements or categories.
And the first one I wanted tohit is multivitamins.

(51:49):
So let me see if I can kind oftee you up from for this one.
So I remember umpteen years agoin one of my nutrition courses,
I had to memorize every vitaminand mineral and amino acid and
fatty acid and what all of themdo.
And then there was this peskyproblem of cofactors.
There's this reality thatthere's no maverick nutrient
that does everything by itself,and all you need is just supply

(52:10):
that.
They all need each other inorder to function.
And so I originally, my, youknow, I'm in that reductionist
model of okay, if I've got aclient who's got a nutrient
deficiency and we can say, oh,they're whatever's low, let's
just add that back to the mix,and then voila, their nutrients
will be balanced again andhealth will return.

(52:31):
And as I started looking at,wait, vitamin D needs vitamin A
and there's calcium at play, andthen there's cofactors with each
of the other ones that spin offof that.
And eventually the brass tacksof how in the world do I help
this person, I had to step backand be like, so we we need all
of them, and they all need eachother.
So, how in the world am Isupposed to play nutrient

(52:52):
whack-a-mole as a health coach,helping people with their diets?
And so my thought was, okay,let's how do I just get somebody
all of them?
And the first thing I came towas like, where I need a good
food-based multivitamin.
That must be the answer tosolving this problem of nutrient
deficiencies that we can nowquestion the logic of that.
But talk to us a little bitabout this concept of

(53:12):
multivitamins or maybe burstpeople's bubble about how
they're made, how manyingredients can actually be
present.
That just the logical questionof how in the world would we get
that many nutrients and squishthem into one thing you can
swallow.
And maybe we can even touch onthe natural versus synthetic.
But rant for us a little bit, orjust pull back the curtain on
multivitamins as a concept.

SPEAKER_01 (53:32):
Well, it's funny that you should bring that up
because what came to mind whenyou asked that question is
something that I didn't evenmake it into the book.
But I've been questioning thesupplement story since I was
young, but I didn't have thetools.
Yeah.
And AI really made it so that Icould just ask super ninja
questions and get right to thesource.
And it would basically it'llwrite you a research paper with

(53:55):
references in 60 seconds on somany topics.
And I was like, I'm gonna gohard.
I'm gonna learn everything thatI've always wondered because my
mother was a Shackleydistributor.
I do talk about this in thebook.
My mom's a Shackley distributor,and Dr.
Shacley sort of popularizedvitamins, and it was a network
marketing company back in thelike early 1980s.
And every time Dr.
Shackley would release a newproduct, my mom would add it to

(54:18):
our cup.
So I'm one, I'm the oldest ofeight children.
And so we would have this cup atat our place at the breakfast
table, and it just kept gettingbigger and bigger.
And I remember like Dr.
Shackley came out with alfalfatabs, and my mom became
convinced that you just neededlots of alfalfa tabs.
And so she added, like, andthey're really cheap.
And it was probably the mostvaluable thing, honestly, that

(54:39):
the Shackly Corporation made wasthe horse food that is dried
alfalfa that grow grows, youknow, 20,000 acres at a time and
is like the simplest food, andit's like all that horses eat.
And it was probably like themost valuable thing my mom fed
us, but I I one time I stuckthem in my pocket because it

(54:59):
took so long to take them.
Like I could eat my breakfastfaster than I could take all the
Shackly vitamins that my momgave me because she bought in
hard on all the nutritionaldeficiency stories.
And I got to first period, andyou know, it's the 1980s, so we
wore tight jeans and I had allthese pills in my pocket.
And I was like, oh shoot, Imeant to take these later, but I
had to run for the bus.

(55:19):
So I took them out and I putthem in my desk, forgot all
about it.
I'm in sixth period, end of theday, and two cops walk in and
they're like, is there a RobinOpenshaw here?
And I was like, What in thewhat?
Like, I was like the good littlestraight A girl that never got
in trouble.
So they took me to the officeand they showed, because I had
no idea what they were even, andthey showed me this pile of

(55:41):
pills, all these different colorpills.
And I remember that what Ishould have been thinking is, Oh
my gosh, I'm getting busted fordrugs.
But what my real thought was, mymom is going to kill me.
This cannot get back to my momthat I didn't take all these
Shackly vitamins.
So then, fast forward, I'm ayoung adult.

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I'm I'm I have three littlekids.
And I this other, anothernetwork marketing company in
Utah, which is where I raised mychildren and went to college and
grad school, they came out, theybought this technology that
could scan your skin and tellyou the level of carotenoid
antioxidants in your skin.
And it took like two minutes,and I would go to like trade

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shows and I would go tochiropractor's offices where
people made appointments.
And I have scanned hundreds andhundreds of people in a day.
And I loved it because whensomeone's scan was high for
carotenoid antioxidants, whichis a pretty good indicator of
their overall antioxidantstatus, which is just nutrients
at the endpoints of yourmetabolism in your skin.
I mean, anybody who's like dranka lot of carrot juice knows you

(56:46):
kind of turn a little bitorange.
I'm a little bit orange becauseI eat a giant carrot in my
breakfast every morning.
That's a whole other story.
But, anyways, so I was testingpeople, and if I would get
somebody who was over 50,000,I'd be like, What do you eat?
And it was always like somebodywho juices or eats tons and tons
of fruits and vegetables.
They're always super healthylooking, just compared to

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everybody else I scanned all daylong.
But the average person was about20,000.
So I was so excited about it.
I went all in.
I had three little kids, but Iloved this machine.
But the idea was how itmonetized, which I kind of
didn't care about, is you putthem on the multivitamin of this
company.
It was called Pharmanex.
It's owned by a billion dollar,everybody knows this name brand,

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network marketing company.
And you put them on themultivitamins, and then they
come back and scan, and they'resupposed to scan higher.
Here's the problem.
They didn't.
They didn't.
So that I didn't even tell thestory in the book.
Like that didn't even thatdidn't even make it into this
book.
I mean, it's it's a long enoughbook, right?
This is this is as much as mostpeople are going to want to know

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about their supplements.
And we we we obviously can't getto every supplement because it's
such a brilliant business modelto tell somebody they're
deficient with a lab andthousands of new labs are being
approved every year.
There's a an average of about 10a day um human genome labs being

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approved.
So the labs industry as a wholerelated but different too issue.
Yeah, so multivitamins, all Iwant to say about that is
there's no way in a hardenedpill that you can somehow it's a
great, it's a tempting idea.
Who doesn't want to think thatyou can take three plates of
food from three meals a day andboil it down to just the good

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parts and take it as a pill?
They are 99 plus percent of themare synthetic, molecularly
similar byproducts of industryput together in specific ratios.
The the people who manufacturethis kind of stuff have to worry
about things like shelf life,about it crumbling, it holding

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together well.
It's it's capsule.
What's the capsule made out of?
Will vegans take it?
There's it's it's just reallyindustrial.
And you know, the short answerto your question is I don't take
them.
I didn't take them when I waspregnant.
I I was like a running joke withmothers, even though my first
baby was born in 1993.

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That's obviously a really longtime ago.
I knew that women always said ifthey took um the prenatal
multivitamin that they gotconstipated, and I just figured
out that it was the iron becauseit's like the wrong compound of
iron.
It's not the iron that's foundin food, it's like the heavy
metal iron that constipates you.
So I never I I have four kidswith like super high IQ and are

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doing well in life, and somehowI never ate a multivitamin.
I never ate a prenatalmultivitamin, and I probably
saved thousands of dollars too.

SPEAKER_00 (59:51):
Yeah, I would even say on that prenatal note, just
for the listener, go look upfolic acid and or see what you
find on that nutrient as well,so called nutrient.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:00):
chapter on B vitamins because B vitamins are
terrifying.
They they are made out ofthere's coal tar in some of
them.
There's um B vitamin B12, whichpeople who don't eat animals are
told that they're B12 deficient.

(01:00:22):
Actually there's about as manypeople who eat meat who are
vitamin B12 deficient if youbelieve the lab as there are
plant eaters.
But B12 is there's a fewdifferent kinds but one of them
is um methylcobalamine.
And that's the one that theywent to when oh what it what's

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the one cyanocobalamine?
Cyanocobalamine was thepredominant one.
Thank you.
And people don't think about it.
They just think ohcyanocobalamine that's vitamin
B12.
Well cyano is that it's frommade from cyanide the chemical
one and cobalt from cobalt it'smade from cyanide and cobalt you

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must have read my book.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:06):
Uh I did know for remembering good job.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:09):
Because it's shocking.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:10):
Yeah right yeah no but that's the industry and
that's just the trust we've hadand unfortunately we are we're
past time for trust but verify.
We've got to do moreverification and questioning of
of what we're being told andmultivitamins is just one of
them.
So all right we'll we'll let theconsumer go to your book and get
more details on that.

(01:01:31):
But let's switch to vitamin Dbecause that's another hot
button whether we're talkingmedical doctors, we're talking
alternative or we're talkinghealth coaches that seems to be
one of those darling vitaminsthat everybody just that
apparently everyone's low.
So tell us what you learnedabout kind of the testing that
supposedly proves everyone needsit and maybe what you found
about what it really is or howvitamin D supplements are made.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:54):
I have to condense this story to be very short even
though I had written I think sixlong blog posts about it before
I wrote the book.
And so here's the bottom linebecause you know I didn't really
buy it for a long time because Iwas like how is this hard
pressed white pill how does thatreplace what my body makes my

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skin makes in contact with thesun which people have been in
contact with the sun foreverbecause we used to have to
either we went out and grew ourown food, harvested it prepared
it for a meal or else we didn'thave any food.
And so it made sense to me thatwe need sunshine because humans
and sunshine just go togetherbut we didn't even get into

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where did the science come fromthat our bodies even produce
this vitamin D.
But anyways bottom line is yesthere's a lot of studies about
it.
Yes the studies if you don'tlook at them carefully or do the
critical thinking that we do foryou in the chapter on vitamin D
seem to the vitamin D status asmeasured by the 25 D lab test,

(01:03:06):
which that's problem number oneis the 25 D lab test.
Not a good indicator of yourvitamin D status.
Also vitamin D isn't a vitaminit's a secosteroid hormone.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:19):
Your body needs cholesterol to make it which is
another monkey wrench if yourcholesterol is artificially
lowered, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:25):
So that's a whole that's a whole other subject but
bottom line is cholycalciferolthat you are sold is falsely
called vitamin D.
It does have two molecules thatare part of the whole matrix
that you referred to before whenyou referred to cofactors and
they all work togethersynergistically and science

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really doesn't understand it aswell as we wish that they did.
And so basically colicalciferolwhich is made from usually from
the grease from sheep's woolalthough they make a vegan kind
that is lab grown industrialalgae okay grown in some of
these labs where cholicalciferolis made you can get the same

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molecular compound.
But when people are low in this25D it does correlate to poor
health and when people are highin it it does correlate to good
health.
And so that really throws peopleoff a lot because people don't
understand the differencebetween correlation and
causation.
But bottom line is we shouldhave more than just the one lab

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test at 25D but it's cheap andit's easy to do and it's what
your doctor understands and itmakes 85% of us deficient.
I started questioning it manyyears ago when I had been
optimal I'm I was high I waslike you don't need to take
anything I was the 15% and thenon my way out the door my once

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that I went to once a yearhormone nurse practitioner who
sold vitamin D, quote unquotevitamin D that's really
coldciferol, and she also soldthe rancid fish oil on my way
out the door she said here youshould get some some vitamin D.
And I said well you just told methat I was in the optimal range
and she said to me wait for itcouldn't hurt or could it yeah

(01:05:17):
so I fell for it and I didn'ttake it regularly but I took it
like off and on and then I wentback the next year and for the
first and only time to this datethe only time that I was below
the optimal range was that yearthat I actually took the coli
calciferol.
So I I can't really provebecause nobody's trying to prove
this nobody's doing the researchstudies that if you take choli

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calciferol there's really noevidence that it makes your
vitamin D levels go up.
Plus it's only two molecules ofa compound that depending on who
you're listening to there's lotsof different sources.
I'm not going to try to pretendthat I'm authoritative on this
is at least 16 or 18 molecules.
It may be as many as 80.
But that that's not what's inthe colecalciferol the

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colicalciferol has a Venndiagram overlap of two molecules
I believe is all with what inthe body is is called vitamin D.
So everybody is very committedto the idea that we're I'm but
I'm vitamin D deficient.
I have been told this hundredsand hundreds of times but I'm
vitamin D deficient.
Well that's what yourpractitioner told you by doing

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the 25 D lab test.
And I'm just here to say readthe chapter because you will
understand it.
More and more people areawakening to it.
I think it has everything to dowith the fact that we learned to
question narratives duringCOVID, even those of us who
hadn't been I've beenquestioning it for well as I
look back for decades.

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It did not make sense to me Ijust didn't take the vitamin D.
I didn't take it when peoplewere in COVID saying well if we
all just took vitamin D, if wearen't weren't all vitamin D
deficient, then we'd do fineduring COVID.
I didn't take it then didn'ttrust it then but I couldn't put
my finger on why and havingaccess to the organization of

(01:07:05):
everything that's out on theinternet and being able to ask
more and more and more ninjaquestions has helped me put it
together.
And so I finally went to thetrouble of finding the
information that I've beencurious about my whole life
about pills and vitamins and thethings that we're told are
natural and they are yeah wellif nothing else the critical
question you guys can justentertain as you're listening to

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this is who gets to set thestandards?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:29):
Who tells us what optimal D levels are?
There's one um method of doingit where they use uh lifeguards
who are in the sun all day andtheir vitamin D levels are what
gets set for everyone.
And it's it's even that datapoint is a head scratcher to say
okay well is that what we shouldhold up as the standard and

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knowing that the RDAs often areway below or there even that
concept of a recommended dailyallowance of anything somebody
picked that number and possiblypicked it at a in a profoundly
sick society and and establishedwhat's normal for everyone.
So we're just here as much toput some critical questions into
the ether and let you guys runwith it and do what you want.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:08):
But and they'll just they'll just jack it up they'll
just increase it.
So I think it was 2010.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:15):
2010 what happen what happened then?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:17):
I think it was 2010 that they increased the the
optimal range for quote unquotevitamin D as measured by the 25d
lab test.
So you have to put all thesequalifiers on it once you learn
about it you you can't you can'trefer to Cole Calci for all as
vitamin D anymore and you can'trefer to the 25d lab test as
your vitamin D level um butlet's just assume those things

(01:08:41):
are true.
They got increased by 50% in2020 which meant that there was
just like that much bigger of amajority of us who were quote
unquote deficient.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:51):
Yeah same way they lower the cholesterol number
that supposedly is optimal andjust opens up a whole new market
of people that now need to havetheir cholesterol lowered.
So yeah just ask the questionsfriends and see where it leads
you.
So okay one final one that youhad obviously we're not doing
all of them but what almostsurprised me to find in the book
was bioidentical hormones.
And so your subtitle for thatchapter was rolling the dice

(01:09:14):
between short term game gainsand potential health hazards so
just so the listener knows, givethe uh the story of of your life
experience with hormone therapybecause I think it adds some
weight to the investigation thatyou've done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:28):
Well I I kind of hate to end on this one we will
it's fine but I didn't want toresearch it.
I did because I've been takingbiodential hormones for so many
years, decades in fact and Ididn't want to find out any
negative information about thembecause not only had I been
taking them for years, but whenI started taking them when I was

(01:09:51):
about 30 and I was really sick,I would say that taking those
biodential hormones was about aslife changing as shifting to a
whole foods mostly plant-baseddiet was also decades ago.
When I was so very sick afterthe the flu vaccine knocked me
on my butt for four years,changing my diet to a whole
foods mostly plant-based diet,detoxing following the protocols

(01:10:15):
that I learned to bring thetoxic load down in my body and
taking biodenal hormones thoseare like the three big needle
movers for me.
So you could never talk me outof the fact that I went from
having cold hands and feet andum all kinds of weird symptoms
that really correlate to lowthyroid and I kind of know where

(01:10:37):
my toxic exposures were thatsuggest that I would probably
have a thyroid problem.
Getting on biodentical thyroidwhich is supposed to be
desiccated pig thyroid somolecularly identical to the pig
thyroid um it was life changingfor me turned around literally
dozens of symptoms I felt greatand then in recent years as I'm

(01:11:00):
almost 59 now I just don't seethe benefit and I'll go off of
it for months at a time and I'llgo and I'll go off of it for
months at a time and then go into my hormone practitioner and
my hormone practitioner willtell me that I'm optimal for all
the hormones and I'm like hmmbut I haven't taken any hormones
for months.
So I had just kind of beenquestioning it and I don't I the

(01:11:22):
reason this is an unsatisfactoryone to end on is that I don't
think that I'm to the bottom ofthis rabbit hole.
So we shared in that chapterwhat we were able to find out.
Um since we finished the book,there's all this hullabaloo
about they tried to cancelbioidentical hormones and then
Marty McCari head of the FDAstepped in and saved the day and

(01:11:43):
said no we're going to do theclinical trials on them.
So all those of you who swear byyour bioidenticals and you don't
want to be on the syntroid drug,the levoxithine drug, you'll
still have your bioidenticals.
I just think that they kind ofmerged and came to the middle
and what I found outunfortunately is that a lot of

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the bioidentical supply chainsare dipping right into the same
supply chains that the drugsare.
And that's another thing that wewe won't have time to get really
deep into but we talk about inthe book is that it's getting
really blurry what's a drug andwhat's uh what's a supplement.
For instance, um NAC back inlike 2021 they created all this

(01:12:24):
FOMO, all this supplement umpeople who sold the an NAC or an
acetylcysteine were saying youknow what Amazon might take NAC
down.
They don't want us to have itbecause it's natural.
Well here's the thing it reallythat's not why it's not because
they didn't want us to have itbecause it was natural it's
because it's a drug and it'salready in most of the

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psychotropic drugs.
It's in a lot of different drugsit's entirely synthetic and
there was a battle over whetherit was going to be a controlled
substance or not.
That's what happened and theindustry the pharmaceutical
industry fought to keep it inthe supply chains of the
supplement of of the wide opendon't need a prescription for

(01:13:08):
it.
So just question sometimes yourassumptions because we think
that if they're gonna get rid ofit it must be because they don't
want us to have it.
That's kind of not always a truenarrative.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:19):
Yeah well and there are risks of ingesting anything
and so again we're not tellingyou what to take or not take
we're just trying to give yousome intellectual pegs to hang
some questions on and say Iwonder if this is a like is the
chemical imbalance narrativethat we got fed through
psychiatry this does it haveoverlap with the hormone
imbalance narrative we're giventhrough the the realm of

(01:13:41):
hormones and that that is therethey're questions worth asking
where is it marketing and wheream I just maybe masking a
problem rather than correctingone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:50):
And I'm I'm not saying that I'm to the bottom of
the hormone issue there aresolvents involved in making some
of these hormones unfortunatelyum there are some companies
still using desiccated pigthyroid um maybe partly or
completely so it seems to be atruth is the truth lies

(01:14:11):
somewhere in the middle kind ofsituation.
But I just, you know, I'll useit for a while and not use it
for a while and see if I evenfeel any different.
I seem to feel the same whetherI take thyroid or not.
The others I pretty much don'ttake anymore.
I don't notice any differencewhether I take the progesterone
that's been prescribed to me ornot.
So I I think they're using a lotof the same tactics a lot of the

(01:14:33):
same supply chains when when thesupply chains are super cheap
because it's a syntheticmaterial that can be made at
scale it's really tempting forthese companies to use that
instead of having to get someslimy thyroid out of a pig's
brain in a some pig farmsomewhere, you know?
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:52):
Yeah so there you have it that hopefully that
teased the listener enough towant to go get the book and see
what other things they can learnabout that aspect of if that
probably was the best example ofthe blurred lines between pharma
and supplements andor betweendrugs and supplements more
specifically.
And yeah do do some of yourhomework there and just be free
to question things and ask doesmy body really need this and

(01:15:15):
what would be the downstreamramifications of supplying a
hormone and uh for good or bad.
So anyway there you have somequestions.
All right one other thing I wantto tease the listener with just
because I know you're working onanother book and that's the
concept of lab testing.
So we hinted at this a littlebit but um give people kind of a
teaser of what you're whatyou're diving into now because

(01:15:36):
there are literally thousands oftests out there and there's this
fun mantra doctors use now testsdon't guess is and I kind of
roll my eyes at like as if Iheard I ran the test so
therefore I know everything andthere's no mystery left and and
one client whose her poorhusband had 86 pages of lab
tests they sent over and andit's like Greek and Latin and
numerical gobbledygook andyou're like how is anyone

(01:15:58):
supposed to make wisdom out ofthis much math and think that we
have a practical path tosomeone's health where to me it
seems more just like it's ahere's this is another revenue
stream designed with just anwith the intent of selling you
something.
So tell us what you're learningabout that industry.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:14):
Yeah I mean I went I went from my labs this last year
and I went to Lab Core because Ididn't want to drive 40 minutes
to the nurse practitioner's youknow he has his his own uh
compounding pharmacy and Ididn't want to go there and get
the blood draw so I went to labcore and they want to charge me
$2600 for the labs and I juststarted laughing.

(01:16:37):
I was like no I'm I'm a healthyperson with no health complaints
I'm not gonna pay$2600 for labs.
Like that's that's most people'smonthly salary you know so I
walked out and I just contactedmy and I'm still getting to the
bottom of how and if thepractitioner gets compensated
like if they see that if theythink you have money like is

(01:16:58):
there a kickback I went in AIand it said yes that both both
Lab Core and um the other one isit Quest that they both have had
settlements of many millions ofdollars for giving kickbacks to
doctors.
So I don't know how it works.
I don't want to accuse anybodyspecifically all I know is that

(01:17:20):
I told my nurse practitioner Iwas like I'll just not see you
anymore rather than get$2600worth of labs I don't want so I
started writing a book on labsand I got 40 pages in and I quit
writing it because I felt likeit was becoming a reference
manual that nobody would read.
And also I didn't really havethe confidence that I could
decide I was the the authoritywho could decide which labs are

(01:17:43):
valid and which are less validand it's probably a continuum.
But I mean we know like you'reyou were talking about how we
what we thought we knew 20 yearsago about cholesterol turned out
to be completely wrong.
More and more people are wakingup to the vitamin D hoax uh
there's a there's a lot likethat we know that like one in

(01:18:03):
seven adults in the Westernnations are on statin drugs
which don't prevent anycardiovascular disease like I
could bring a lab number downand people will do anything to
bring a lab number down or upbecause their doctor told them
to and they think that thismeans that they're healthy or
not and I just want to plant theseed of do some critical

(01:18:24):
thinking and some research rightnow you can yeah you can do that
research and learn more.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:28):
Yeah I don't remember where I heard you
mention this if it was in a blogpost or a podcast or whatever
but you mentioned you did threedifferent food sensitivity
tests.
So tell people about thatexperience.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:39):
Yeah just over the course of several years and I
don't even remember why I didthem because I I don't really
have food sensitivities but Idid one in Switzerland and one
my hormone practitioner had medo or whatever and all three
showed that I was sensitive tocompletely different foods.
And one of them I was like Iswear those are all the foods
that I ate in the last 24 hourswhich it turns out that may be

(01:18:59):
what what it actually shows isthe ant the the antibodies the
antigens or some substance thatyour body produces in reaction
to being fed certain foods.
So I don't I don't really trustthe food sensitivity test.
They're super expensive.
I remember I had my son do onethat cost me over$2,000 and I
don't I don't really trust it.
I won't even tell you the lab,the lab, very common lab company

(01:19:22):
that you know it was my hormonepractitioner and my son was
having like acne and I was likehow to get rid of the acne when
he was a teenager.
So anyway just start questioningmore things you probably save a
lot of money probably I'm nottelling people not to take their
supplements I'm not practicingmedicine without a license.
I'm not telling you do take thisdon't take that this book isn't

(01:19:44):
about the good brands versus thebad brands you're not going to
get to the the end and find outwhat my favorite supplement
company is I'm just saying I'vehad six or eight people even
though the book isn't even outyet and you're one of the people
talking about it when it's onpre-release right now it's
coming out in a couple weeks whobut just from reading my blog

(01:20:08):
and my social media posts overthe last few years I've had
about six or eight women who'vesaid I just quit taking all my
supplements and I feel so muchbetter.
So we won't know until we havehundreds of people telling us
they went off of their andthey're not going to go off of
their supplements because I toldthem to I'm just teaching you
what those supplements are madeout of and how to ask the right

(01:20:29):
questions to figure out what'sin your supplement so that you
can decide if taking thatsupplement is right for you.
But I think a lot of people aregoing to save a lot of money.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:37):
Yeah I imagine so in lab tests and supplements and I
was thinking about it earlier Ithought man if we took testing
and pills away from doctors mostdoctors wouldn't know how to
doctor they'd be lost theywouldn't know how to help people
heal and that's all I've done isno testing and hardly any
supplements there's not much inthat world that I think is worth

(01:20:58):
the money.
And there's so many other waysto heal.
So hopefully we've inspired youto just think a little bit more
critically or how use the AIsearch prompts that she
mentioned give yourself some achance to do some research look
at the other ingredients on yoursupplement and just say do I
really need this and how couldthey possibly duplicate or
improve upon nature and getsomething in me that I

(01:21:19):
definitively quote unquote need.
So all right well as we startwrapping up Robin give the
listener maybe some finalthoughts on what they just heard
or maybe some of the responsesyou your book has received or
you anticipate it will receiveand what do you want them to do
with this kind of information?

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:34):
I just want you to be empowered I want you to not
think of these pills as areplacement for a healthy diet
there is no replacement.
I think that we have been somentally conditioned to think
that the answer isn't a pillthat we've forgotten the power
of our own immune system.
And a lot of people are now sounwell that they feel very

(01:21:56):
fragile and they think they haveto take all these pills even
though the they don't notice thepills making any difference for
them just in case they'd feeleven worse if they didn't take
the pills.
And so I think knowing what's inthem and when you see hypo
hypomelucellulose just if itsays OSC on the end or cellulose
on the end, we're talking aboutsawdust.

(01:22:17):
You taking a pill made ofsawdust or at least with sawdust
as a filler in it.
So just you know if you have afew things like that in your
pocket then you empower yourselfand you don't think that
practitioners have all theanswer.
I'm not saying I'm not sayingall labs are bad.
I'm not saying labs aren't agood guide for some things and
I'm not saying that there's nogood supplements you know people

(01:22:40):
like people like well whatsupplements do I take and I said
well I I I like to take mineralsbecause I think people are truly
mineral deficient or they'redeficient in a few because of
the soils but I'm not going totake ground up rocks, chalk or
seashells like you said or lakebeds some kind of rock like

(01:23:00):
material that is high end soanyway just be aware that you
actually have a really powerfulimmune system that might be
being bogged down and your liverand kidneys being bogged down
with having to filter out thingslike ground up rocks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:13):
Yeah right and one of the brilliant points or
succinct things you mentionedtoward the end of the book was
don't fall for the false binarythat you have to take either a
drug or a supplement.
You there's an there's a thirdoption of neither and there's a
way to nourish your body deeplyand holistically that doesn't
require you to try to makegetting well a chemistry
equation let alone the rest ofwhat it takes to be well and um

(01:23:36):
so anyway tell the people wherethey can find you how they can
pre-order the book or dependingon when they hear this where
they can order the books uh givethem some info to where to find
you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:46):
Christian do you have your link because right now
it's on pre-order and I do havea hard stop I'm supposed to be
somewhere across town in 20minutes but you can find me at
greensmoothigirl.com also greensmoothie girl on Facebook and
what what is your link?
I guess it'll be down below orsomething.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:01):
Yeah be greensmoothigirl.com slash
healing united I think is thelink we have so I'll put a link
for that in the show notes butthat's where you guys can
pre-order the book and that wayshe knows some of you found her
through me so um thank you foryour boldness Robin thank you
for the research you've done tosave a bit of us a uh a long
slug figuring this out or justgiving us discernment to ask

(01:24:23):
better questions.
So we appreciate you and I willlet you get to your next
appointment.
So thanks for coming on the showtoday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:28):
My pleasure thank you Christian bye everyone

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