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February 9, 2023 63 mins

This conversation started with a real-life example from Jack’s life of how he pays attention to alleviate suffering. It then became a discussion on various aspects of the concept, and Jack shared a lot of information and personal stories from his days as a Zen monk. We also discussed gurus at some length and the danger of not letting yourself fall for your own bullshit by falling for the bullshit of another.

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