🎙️ EP#303| GUEST | Faith, Prophecy & Politics: Pastor Bob Thiel Breaks It All Down
In this compelling episode, Ray sits down with Dr. Bob Thiel—pastor, theologian, and prolific author—for a deep, scholarly, and refreshingly grounded dive into the origins of Christianity, the construction of the Bible, and how prophecy intersects with today’s political landscape. From Moses and ancient scripture to Trump, Biden, and the modern-day Middle East, Dr. Thiel connects the dots like few can, offering a lens that blends historical theology with current affairs. Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or just Bible-curious, this episode brings clarity to centuries of questions.
Dr. Bob, who has authored over 35 books including Donald Trump and America’s Apocalypse and Who Gave the World the Bible?, unpacks how Christianity diverged from Catholicism, who really wrote the Bible, and what the terms “Messiah” and “End Times” actually mean. He also explains why Muslims believe in Jesus as the Messiah (but not the Son of God), why Christians and Muslims aren't inherently enemies, and how the original Church differs from what we see today.
We also tackle modern politics with a theological twist—exploring how Trump’s policies may unintentionally accelerate biblical prophecy, what makes Dr. Thiel’s church avoid voting altogether, and why understanding early faith traditions helps cut through today's divisive narratives. With insights ranging from Isaiah to ISIS, and Trump to the Temple Mount, this is one for the books—literally.
🔥 Top 5 Key Points:
The Bible was written by ~40 authors over centuries; Moses likely penned the first five books in proto-Hebrew.
Christianity and Catholicism diverged early, with modern Catholic beliefs differing from those of the original Church.
Muslims also consider Jesus the Messiah, though not divine—highlighting unexpected interfaith similarities.
Trump’s presidency may be fulfilling prophecy—Dr. Thiel argues it’s accelerating the End Times, not delaying it.
Voting, war, and nationalism are not biblical priorities for Dr. Thiel’s faith community, which focuses on the Kingdom of God.
🔑 Keywords & Themes:Bible origins, Moses, Old Testament, New Testament, Jesus, Messiah, Christianity vs. Catholicism, early Church, prophecy, End Times, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, Deep Shallow Dive, religion and politics, Islam and Christianity, interfaith, Book of Revelation, Apostle Paul, Polycarp, Constantine, Islam, Quran, jihad, theological perspective, Christian Zionism, Middle East conflict, religious prophecy, Daniel’s vision, apocalyptic theology, church history
⏳ Chapters & Timestamps:
00:00 – Ray introduces Dr. Bob Thiel and his theological background
02:00 – What's the difference between Christians and Catholics?
06:00 – Who actually wrote the Bible? (Spoiler: It wasn’t just Moses)
11:00 – The construction of the New Testament and early Church figures
18:00 – Who really killed Jesus? Jews, Romans, or both?
24:00 – Who believes Jesus is the Messiah (and who doesn’t)?
27:00 – Prophecies of peace deals, Antichrist, and the Second Coming
30:00 – Similarities between early Islam and Christianity
35:00 – Western media’s distortion of Christian-Muslim relations
38:00 – Dr. Thiel’s Trump book and prophetic implications
46:00 – Trump’s unintended c