EP#372 | GUEST | Bart Sibrel: Exposing the Moon Landing Hoax & the Power of Government Deception - Deep Shallow Dive

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All right, listen, among the millions of reasons why I'm
excited for this interview, one of them is I've literally never
been able to say that I have theworld leading expert when it
comes to a topic on my podcast. But today, everybody, we've got

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Bart Sibrell, who is literally the number one expert in this
world when it comes to the moon landing hoax.
And I'll be honest, Bart, I'm totally with you on this.
Welcome to the deep, shallow dive.
And let's help the audience understand, gosh, what could be

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one of the greatest hoaxes of all time, if not the greatest?
Well, before we started, you mentioned that there were
friends of yours who weren't even open to discussing it.
And what I was thinking about, Ray, is, you know, why is that?
And it's because those people consider it blasphemous to say

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that the glorious moon missions were fraudulent because people
have made a religion out of it. Now, if someone is that closed
minded, that means they do not have the ability to perceive the
truth and therefore they're deceived, which means we are

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correct. Do you understand that?
Absolutely, absolutely. I, I was going to say, you know,
one of the reasons why I'm, again, I'm, I'm, I'm excited to
have you on for 1,000,000 reasons.
But I also think you're one of those people that quite frankly,
the idea and the concept that you've had, you were, you were
ahead of your time, you were ahead of your time in such a big

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way. And what I mean by that is
because of what's taken place over the past couple years,
whether it's COVID, whether it'sthe Gaza Ukraine war or I'm
sorry, the Israel, the Russia Ukraine war, or whether it's
what's going on in Gaza between Palestine and the Israelis,
there has been a unbelievable appetite now for the truth.

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And people want the truth. And they're going back and
they're digging up, hey, what really happened in 911, what
really happened in the JFK assassination?
And honestly, I think we need totalk about what happened with
the moon landing. Like, what was that all about?
And, and I'll tell you, for me, what's always been my biggest

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red flag is why have we never been back?
Every piece of technology from the recording mechanism that
we're using for this podcast, toour cell phones, to our, you
know, thin screen TV's, to the navigation on our cars, to the
Internet, to now AI, every pieceof technology has leaps and

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bounds moved forward except for the concept of going to the
moon. Like, why have we never gone
back? You know, that's been my biggest
thing. So let's start with, I mean,
when did you start this discussion?
You've been at this for a while,right?
Well, yeah, I grew up believing in the moon missions and was

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quite a fan. I was asleep in bed at the time,
about four years old. But my father was in the Air
Force and he got AVIP commemorative package of Apollo
11 Prince, which he gave to me. And they were kind of like my
cherished possession. And we moved around every two
years. And wherever we went to, they

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were on my bedroom wall there. Maybe, I don't know, 15 of them.
So 3 by 5 all together, saw themevery day.
So from the age of 4 to 14, if Ionly saw them once a day, right,
That's 3650 times that I saw thepictures.
Assuming that they were on the moon and really mesmerized by

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them. There's something about it.
If they were on the moon, it's kind of magical, mesmerizing,
whatever. And that was my attitude toward
it. And then when I was 14, I was
watching a television program that interviewed Bill Casing,
who worked for NASA through Rocketdyne, and he had the

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second highest security clearance at NASA to von Braun.
He would edit von Braun's personal memos between him and
the Pentagon. Now the Pentagon, they were West
Point graduates. English wasn't their Forte.
And of course that wasn't von Braun's native language.
He he was an English major who would touch up the grammar, make

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sure everything was clear and heread a memo from from von Braun
warning the Pentagon that the odds are going to the moon on
Kennedy's schedule deadline of December 31st, 1969 with 1960s
technology was only about a one in 10,000 chance that there was

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virtually no way of doing it. If they tried, they would kill
the people on national TV. So I don't know if you've ever
played poker, but you can win with a losing hand.
And So what they decided to do was to bluff.
And I was looking at just beforethis broadcast.

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There's a scripture in Joshua and let me let me just read it
here. This is from Joshua 9, three
through 15. And basically there was a group
of Gibeonites that God told Israel not to make a peace

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treaty with them because they lived too close by and they
would be a threat to Israel because they were, you know,
very, they live very close to them.
So it says the inhabitants of Gibeon worked craftily and they
took all the sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins, old

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patched sandals on their feet, old garments and bread with
mold. And they went to Israel and said
we have come from a great far distance.
You see, they went into a lot ofdetail to pretend to be, you
know, from far away. The mold on their bread was

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contrived. They, you know, NASA says, well,
we have this, you know, moon rocks is proof, but someone
opened one up and it ended up being petrified wood and we have
old sandals. And of course there's 1000 page
document that says Oswald killedKennedy.
Right when one of the one of thelinks at my website, if you go

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to sibrel.com, we showed Dan Rather describing the Zebruder
film, which they never showed. And when it gets to the point of
the third fatal shot, he says his head went violently forward
when it's actually going violently backwards indicating
the gunshot was from. So they have 1000 pages saying
Oswald killed Kennedy, but the film shows that the gunshot came

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from the front and up from behind.
And so my book Moon Man is interactive with about 17 video
links. You can see them for free.
It's sibrel.com that's S as in Sam IB as in boy REL sibrel.com.
And one of them is as proof we uncovered of them faking part of
the moon mission right in front of your eyes.

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So when I see this gentleman on TV, I'm an open minded 14 year
old and I'm like, oh, I never thought about that before.
I went back to these pictures that I had seen 3650 times and I
thought, you know, you do kind of see the soil go to a certain
point and then it becomes out offocus left to right as if it's a

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fake background. And the most advanced AI two
years ago, not available to the public, but it was at an AI
convention. They let VI PS play around with
it for a few days. It has a deep fake detector
program that's never been wrong.They fed it pictures of the
surface of the moon from an unmanned Chinese probe.

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It says it's real. Every single Apollo picture it
was fed, it said it had a fake backdrop, that the pixels in the
soil are real. And the backdrop, they don't
line up. It's a fake backdrop.
So the smartest AI in the world just said that the moon pictures
are fake. So when I hear that idea as a 14

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year old, I'm thinking, oh, isn't that interesting?
Well, I would become a filmmakerand a filmmaker's job is to make
fake scenes look real and a serendipity or Providence would
have it. I'm actually editing a film one
day for the guy who produced ATVshow I saw as a 14 year old.
And I'm like, who is that guy inyour show who said we didn't go

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to the moon? He says.
I don't know, call this office. I did, I got in touch with him
and he said, Bart, you know, you're a filmmaker, you should
make a movie about how they fakethe moon landing.
And I thought about it for about6 months.
I did about six months of research and all of this is in
my book, which is kind of the behind the scenes investigation.

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And I mean, you can prove that the moon landings are fake with
one photograph. Just go to sabral.com.
It's on the homepage. Sunlight always cast parallel
shadows. Two people, 2 trees, 2 telephone
poles in your front yard parkinglot at work.
They'll never enter. Shadows are going to go in the

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same direction. Okay, yeah.
Correct. And yet we have a picture from
the alleged last mission to the moon of shadows intersecting at
90° from objects 5 feet apart. So that light is really close or
it's two lights and which means they're not on the moon, they're
on Earth because it's definitelyelectrical lighting.
So you there's so much proof actually that they faked it.

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There's much more proof that they faked it then they really
went. And yet, you know, NASA, like
those people keep providing thisfake evidence where you're
asking the fox to prove that it didn't steal a chicken.
So, you know, what do you think they're going to say?
And so I actually originally turned down the project because

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I started realizing there's a lot of evidence that seems to
indicate that they actually may have faked the moon landing.
And at that point, I thought it was at least a one out of four
chance that they faked it. But if the police, you know,
came to your door and said your next door neighbor, there's a
one in four chance he's a homicidal maniac that gets your

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attention, you know, even if it's only one out of four.
And so actually, Ray, I turned down the project originally.
I said, you know, I want to havea wife and family someday.
If I start digging into this andthey really did fake it, that
could be dangerous. So I'm not going to do.
And then I five years go by, another client asked me to do

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them a favor if they got one of my scripts to some famous
Hollywood producer. And that favor was to read the
Bible. So I read the Bible five times
from cover to cover. It wasn't a Christian, but it
did demonstrate that there is a battle between good and evil,
and what always precedes good and evil is lying.

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You know, half of all crimes areconspiracies.
Half are done in the passion of the moment.
Someone gets mad and kills somebody, but the other half are
planned out in advance with multiple people and multiple
detail. They plan it out.
That's why there's a federal statute called conspiring.

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Conspiring to. That's what gangsters do.
And the federal government, sad to say, was taken over by a
bunch of gangsters because they did kill Kennedy.
According to his own relatives, the CIA murdered Kennedy.
If if that wasn't the case, thenwhy is Dan Rather saying the
exact opposite of what's in front of her eyes?

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And there's a brutal film, you know what I mean, which they
refused to show. And then you have Robert
McNamara, who was Defense Secretary at that time, who said
the public is against, you know,entering the Vietnam War.
We need something like Pearl Harbor.
So he admitted before he died that him and the CIA got
together and came up with this fake attack on a American ship

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by a N Vietnamese ship in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Congress passed a law to to start the Vietnam War based on
an event that never happened. That never happened, and that's
the Gulf of Tonkin. You know what?
Gosh, I didn't realize you wouldbe such a amazing resource for
all of these really false flags.That's what they all are.

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Gulf of Tonkin. You know, Operation Northwoods.
I forget what exactly that was, but that was another one, right?
Yes. So basically my point in
bringing that up is that if they're willing to kill a
president of the United States, you know, this is the CIA
killing their own president. This is the Defense Department

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falsifying information to start a war that killed 58,000 of
their own soldiers. If they're willing to do that, I
don't think they're going to have a problem faking a video
image of the moon. The only difference is it's a
positive lie. See, whoever killed Kennedy,
he's still dead. It's still a tragedy.
You can change hats on who did it and why, or 9/11 change hats

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on who did it and why, but stilla tragedy.
This is positive. This is your team winning the
Super Bowl and I come along and saying, you know, they cheated,
they bribed the referee, they move the goal posts and they put
sleeping drugs in the other teams Gatorade.
And you're like, no, I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it, but youneed to hear it because if you

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have cancer, don't you want to know?
And here's the thing, Ray, you know, I went from being the
biggest fan to realizing with 100% certainty they actually did
fake the moon landing. We found footage of them faking
it right in front of your eyes. And we found an eyewitness who
was there when they filmed the fake moon landing at Cannon Air

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Force Base in 1968. So the faking of the moon
landing is so much more profoundhistorically than if they'd
actually gone. You see, either they went, they
planted a flag, came back, oh that was a close one, or most
powerful nation on Earth lied totheir citizens, lied to the

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world, bezeled $250 billion fromtheir own people and murdered
people, murdered their own people to cover it up.
If that's true, that is so much more significant.
What does that tell you about mankind if they faked their
greatest accomplishment, murdered people to cover it up,

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embezzled people and their own citizens like Stockholm Syndrome
are defending their own robbers and deceivers.
That is what it is and that's why it's highly significant.
And it's it's just ironic that the poster child of conspiracy
theories which is faking the moon landing, right That they

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really did. Now I've noticed something.
If we are in the last days before meteor strike or
something, it seems to me that God is making more examples out
of people. God help me, please forgive my
sin. For example, during this little

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thing we went through for the last three years, you know what
I mean, there were several people who made fun of the
people who didn't take the medicine for the illness they
didn't even have, and they dropped dead on camera.
And the CEO of YouTube, which took away ad revenue from me and

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thousands of other people who are paying their mortgages,
feeding their children while shewas 160 million net worth.
She went before Congress and said we need to censor people
for things like the moon landingfraud.
We need to stop people from saying that she dropped dead a
couple of years later. And so something's going on.

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I hope the truth comes out. And like I said, you can prove
the moon landing is fake with one picture.
And you can prove the logic because today, with five decades
better technology, 5 decades better rockets, 5 decades better
computers. With all that technology, the

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farthest that NASA can send an astronaut into space today is
only one thousandth of visits tothe moon.
So how can they go 1000 times farther in 1969 when all of NASA
had one millionth of computing power?
Cell phone Lindbergh flew acrossthe Atlantic in 1927.
That's a distance of 3000 miles.Imagine 50 years later and the

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farthest that someone can fly inan airplane is 3 miles.
Yeah, yeah. Because that's what they're
saying. They're saying they could fly
1000 times farther in 1969 than they can today.
That would be like. That doesn't make any sense.
I, I actually, I love the way you set that up with, with
basically proving that we can bedeceived, the Kennedy

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assassination, the Gulf of Tonkin, and then obviously
getting into the moon landing in1969.
OK, let me ask you a couple questions because one of the
things you talked about is the computing power.
Like to me, it's always just been so insane to think that
there was enough computing powerin 1969 when computers were

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literally the size of auditoriums or if not that big,
you know, giant rooms needed on what we now can do on a cell
phone. There just wasn't the technology
back then to propel us that far.And then second question
actually, what, what are your thoughts on that?
The computing power back in 1969, it couldn't even, it could

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not have even remotely been there.
Well, that's true. They claim that they
synchronized 2 spacecraft in lunar orbit 1 starting at 0 mph
and perfectly docking with one going about 3000 mph.
If you were off by more than a probably a 10th of a second, you

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know, I guess the the one, the one trying to mate with a 3000
mile per hour one, they would die.
They would be lost in space. It just came out that Elon Musk
says in order to go to the moon,you have to make a minimum of
eight fuel trips first. OK?

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And his rocket is 3 stories taller than the Apollo rocket.
So with a bigger rocket, you have to make 8 fuel trips first
to a space station before you can go to the moon.
A recent Ted talk says it could be as many as 27.
Fuel trips. Fuel trips to even get to a a

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holding point where then you could go to the SO.
Basically, Elon Musk just admitted that a rocket taller
than the Apollo rocket can only go into Earth orbit.
We see he's saying that because he says to go to the moon you
would have to take 8 rocket trips of fuel, which each are

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taller than the moon rocket and then from there you would have
enough fuel to go to the moon. We found a publication by von
Braun. I put it in the book at
sabrel.com. He says it is commonly believed
you can go to the moon and one rocket.
He says that is false. He says the number, they're
mathematically irrefutable. I never even.

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Thought about the fuel, I never even thought about the fuel.
And then what about the fuel to get back?
Well, that's true right back. Yeah, the lunar module probably
didn't have enough capacity to to go from the moon back to the
current. So, and then and then what are
what are those? Is it the Van Allen belts?
What is the, the, the, the beltsthat I, I remember Joe Rogan

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talked about it. And by the way, you've been on
Joe Rogan. You've been on, I think so many
of the big podcasts. You know what?
What was that? Is that the Van Allen belts or
there's? I think it's called the Ray
Duster belt, isn't it? Yeah.
The ray, most people don't know this, but it's a field of
radiation is high up in the atmosphere.

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It starts at 1000 miles up. So every space mission is
generally around 250 miles approximately, which is 750
miles below the beginning of this huge field of radiation
that is approximately 30,000 miles thick.
The only time a human has said to have gone through it would be

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to the moon and back. Well, one of the clips at
sabral.com, which is part of thebook, I write a chapter, then I
say go to this clip one, write achapter.
Clip 2 is we have a NASA engineer saying that that
radiation is deadly and that thetechnology necessary to go
through it to the moon has not been invented yet.

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Got it. Wait a minute, how?
How is it that that you that they went to the moon?
He just said it's deadly radiation and the technology
necessary to go through it to the moon and back has not been
invented yet. We have a clip of a NASA
scientist saying so. So how did they go through it to

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the moon and back? They didn't.
They didn't have enough fuel to go through it and they didn't
have protection from the radiation.
And we have a clip, again, it's at sibrel.com, of the crew of
Apollo 11 shaking, being halfwayto the moon.
They have a 1 foot circular window and they're making it
look like that's the Earth floating in space when it's

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really part of the Earth outsideof the window.
So the lights come up and you see it's a mock Earth about 1
foot in diameter, and they're faking being halfway to the moon
from Earth orbit. 2 NBC News directors agree that that
footage proves that they didn't go to the moon.
There's even a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to

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fake a four second radio delay and make it appear as though
they're farther from Earth orbit.
I that was what convinced me when I popped in the tape which
said do not show to the public. And I'm seeing this one foot
model of the Earth and the lights come up and it's a fake
shot with the CIA telling them how to do it.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, they really did fake the moon

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landing. It's so pathetic.
It's so sad that that is the case, but they did.
And if it weren't for it being apositive lie, like you said,
people don't. I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear how the
glorious moon landing. No, don't want to hear it.
I would rather believe the lie and.

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By the way, I don't know if you get into this in your book.
Was it all because of the competition with Russia at the
time? I mean, people forget that in
the 60s and 70's, the Soviet Union was an absolute
superpower. And it was the United States
versus the Soviet Union. Think of like Rocky Balboa

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versus Ivan Drago. So like, from the research I've
done, it seems like, you know, this was just a big flex on
Russia to say, hey, we got therefirst.
Have you have you dug into why they faked it?
Yeah, that's a great question. And it's kind of multiple,

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multiple benefits. It's like if you decide to, you
know, relocate, you know, with your wife and kids and go take
another job several states away.It's not just one reason why
it's a good idea. There's probably two or three
better schools, more money, bigger house, you know, away
from bad neighbors or closer to good neighbors or something.

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There were multiple reasons or benefits you could say the
gangsters got from faking the moon landing.
But if you really want to know the spiritual core answer, think
about Clinton who said 20 * 20 times.
I did not. I did not.
I did not. I did not.
I did not 20 times. Can you imagine?

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The moon landings are real. The moon landings are real.
The moon landings are real. The moon landings are real.
OK, you got to surfing. And when he was asked why,
right? Why did you do it?
He said because I could, you seethat?
Because I could get away with it.
Why did the gangsters in the federal government fake the moon

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landing? Because they could get away with
it. They got away with killing
Kennedy. They got away with the fake
beginning of the Vietnam War. And there's no independent press
coverage, just two government employees and ATV picture
provided by the corrupt federal government.
And a guy in the command center cannot tell a difference whether

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they're doing a real flight or asimulated practice flight
according to a flight director. You see, that's why they did it.
Now, maybe initially it was to fool the Soviets, but the
Soviets have since figured that out.
Because when I mentioned the smartest AI just said two years
ago that the moon missions are fake, Vladimir Putin was right

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there looking at the results, didn't look didn't look shocked
at all. And this is one of the defenses
of Die hard. You know, we must have gone to
the moon. Don't dare say otherwise is just
the Chinese or the OR the Soviets would have blown the
whistle, but not really. I could have a picture of a
world leader with the prostituteand upload it to the Internet

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and bring that person down. Or I could blackmail them year
after year after year after year.
I have a friend who works in thecommand center of the Chinese
space agency. He says everybody knows the moon
missions are fake. They're blackmailing NASA for

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technology that Congress forbid them to receive.
They're receiving anyway so theywon't blow the whistle on the
Apollo program. The Soviets are probably doing
the same thing. He didn't look surprised at all.
In fact, he looked afraid that the truth might come out.
Why didn't RT people think RT issome, you know, alternative

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media. It's not.
It's not more than Fox News thatcancelled their number one
program that got 100 million views every broadcast.
They brought it down. Why?
I thought they were in business to make money.
Now they're in information control.
It was nowhere on RT that Vladimir Putin was right there

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when the smartest AI said the moon missions are fake.
Not a single story on RT, you see, because they are
blackmailing they're. Blackmailing.
OK, OK, OK, by by the way, everybody, Bart is throwing in
some some real zingers and and I'm getting them like what he
was just talking about was a FoxNews canceling Tucker Carlson,

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who was their number one ranked,their number one ranked program,
but they cancelled him. And you're right, the
information war is more important than anything.
So just pay attention because Bart's throwing in some good
ones. OK, I get that.
I could see the blackmailing of that because that is one of the
arguments, like playing devil's advocate for a minute, that is

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one of the arguments everyone says and and even a few good
friends of mine that we mentioned at the beginning of
this episode said if they faked it, the Russians would have gone
berserk, the Chinese would have gone berserk, they would have
all brought this out. The other argument I hear a lot
is people say in order to fake an operation like that, there

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would have to be hundreds of people that were involved, from
a janitor to this person to thatperson.
There's no way over all these years, you know, somebody didn't
decide to tell the truth or somebody didn't think they would
get some giant reward and and, you know, spill the beans and

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things like that. What's your answer if somebody
throws that at you saying, hey, there's got to be way too many
people involved in this in orderto fake it?
Well, that's like saying, you know, it's impossible for it's
absolutely impossible for someone to lift more than £500
over their head. They, they said that for years,
but that's just not true. It's been done.

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And the fact is the atomic bomb during World War 2 was the
greatest secret of all time. It involved 129,500 people and
yet only eight people knew what they were building.
That's like saying, what? A bank teller, right?
Let's see how many bank tellers are at Bank of America, 500,000.

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Do you really think they know what the CEO knows about?
Corruption in the bank is completely different.
Were there 500,000 people on themoon watching the landing?
There's no independent press coverage, according to Eugene
Krantz, flight director at NASA,who I spoke to personally.
He said someone in the command center, OK, The rest of these

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people saying it's impossible tofool the world.
They were either not alive at the time or watching it on their
living room TV as a four year old, OK?
And yet the command center employee, according to Eugene
Krantz, cannot tell the difference between a real flight
and a practice flight. It's all a bunch of numbers

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going by on the screen, you see.And so they can easily that, I
mean, when they list hundreds ofthousands of people, those are
secretaries, those are food vendors.
Those are people supplying the photocopiers, even the guy
making the glove, right? Do you think the CIA is so
stupid to tell the guy making the glove, hey, we're really not

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going to the Moon Beach or not to tell?
I mean, come on. I hear you.
I hear you. They are.
There's only there's only three people and no independent press
coverage. It's actually pretty easy to
fool people. OK, all right, fair enough.
OK. Some of my favorite videos of
you are actually when you confronted Neil Armstrong and I

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believe, I believe Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.
You confronted both of those guys.
I remember Buzz for sure. And you had a Bible with you and
you said, hey, if you really went to the moon and if the moon
landing is real, put put your hand on the Bible and swear it.
And again, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think either one

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of them did that. And then I think Buzz Aldrin,
did he punch you in the face? Yeah, that was quite a while
ago. But yeah, he took offense.
It may not have been the most spiritual thing to ask someone
to swear on the Bible. The Bible does say not to take
an oath, just let your yes be yes and you know be no.

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Maybe there's some Pagan historyto that.
So maybe it was inappropriate for me to do that.
The fact is, if I walked on the moon and someone thought
otherwise, I would find that hysterically funny.
Really. He was done in ATV studio.
You want me to swear on a Bible?Sure.
Would 2 Bibles make you feel better?
That's how I feel about it. That's how I feel.

(32:46):
Fact is, when you watch that film, it's astronauts gone wild.
You can see it for free at sabral.com.
They act like I go up to them infront of their wife and say,
hey, your mistress says hello. You see, it soared with no
point, causes no injury. The fact that they are reacting
with angers because it's a truthful point.

(33:07):
I'm disgracing them in front of the world where they're known as
heroes. And how pathetic is that?
Our heroes are traitors. We're worshiping Benedict
Donald's. It's pretty bad.
I think we're doing that with a lot of people even in, in, in,
in the current environment we live in.
OK, we talk. What's the deal with all the

(33:28):
stuff with Stanley Kubrick? Like I've heard a lot of things
that he was the one that I don'tknow, was he the director of all
of this? Do you, do you, did you get into
that at all? Like, was Stanley Kubrick
Kubrick the guy they hired to kind of direct the, you know,
the, the fake landing and all that?
I don't know. I don't mention that in my book

(33:49):
or movie. However, he would have been my
likely choice if I were in charge of faking the moon
missions. You could either have the
general of the media department at the Pentagon try it and get
good security but amateur results, or you could hire the
best filmmaker on the planet whoin 1968 was shooting a film

(34:13):
about going to the moon, 2001, ASpace Odyssey.
And so he certainly left clues that indicated that the moon
missions were fake, either from a first hand knowledge or from
observation like I did from the pictures.
He would have been my choice to fake them.

(34:35):
You know, I don't know. And when you talk about a a
whistleblower coming forward, wedo have 1A gentleman by the name
of Cyrus Eugene Akers in 2002 when he was dying and fearing
the judgement of God. And as best as we can tell from
the Scriptures, if you confess your sin, you're forgiven.

(34:58):
And the first thing that he saidactually was that he was a
murderer, that he had killed someone and his son was there.
You can see a video of this on the homepage of sabra.com.
His son said, well, dad, who didyou kill?
He said a Co worker, a friend who he worked with at Cannon Air
Force Base, which was right across the street from where he

(35:19):
lived. He was the chief of security at
the Air Force's most secure base, their special operation
base, when the military police came in to give the family
closure because the victim, you know, maybe they said he
disappeared or something. They asked him, well, why did
you kill him? And he said, well, we both.

(35:40):
I witnessed the fake moon landing being filmed June 1st,
2nd and 3rd of 1968. My friend thought it was morally
wrong. He was going to tell the public
and I killed him to keep it a secret.
That was his confession. And so not only that, being in
charge of security, he was givena list of 15 people who were

(36:01):
allowed in. That list was given to him by
President Johnson, who was therethe first day of filming.
He kept that list as a souvenir.And we published it in the book.
And we have Buzz Aldrin was there observing.
They had double S in the space suits.
Neil Armstrong was there. We had Van Allen was there, and

(36:24):
a bunch of people I knew and a bunch of people I'd never heard
of who were military intelligence.
So we now know where at least the first fake moon landing was
filmed. We have more than enough proof
an eyewitness. We have shadows intersected at
90°, which can only happen with electrical light.
We have the fact that you can't have 1000 times greater

(36:44):
technology in the past and in the future.
Like you said, Ray, is there anymachine, is there any
technological machine that's better in 1969 than today?
You see? And then then we have this
footage that I uncovered that two NBC News directors proves
they never left Earth orbit. And there you go.

(37:05):
Well, you, you should watch people watch the movie.
A funny thing happened on the way to the moon, which is on the
home page. And they just gasp when they see
the lights come up. And it's not really the Earth
floating in space. It's a 1 foot replica of the
Earth. And it's like, Oh my gosh, they
actually did fake the moon landing.
And now what? We, we, we have an

(37:28):
administration that keeps sweeping it under the rug.
They're afraid to tell the truthbecause it'll embarrass America,
but the other nations already know and we're being blackmailed
by them, so it's better just to tell the truth.
And then if the president reallywants government reform, what
better way to than to show the public that they were played for

(37:50):
suckers 6 times? Yeah, right.
Show the public that the moon mansions are fake and you'll
have government reform like you've never seen before.
Who was it? Who was Was it?
Was Nixon president or was Lyndon B Johnson president?
Who was president when the moon landing was faked?
Who was President 16? Well, the Nixon was president

(38:12):
during the fake all of the fake moon landings and then President
Johnson was there a year earlierwhen it was filmed a year in
advance. So OK, you have both political
parties complicit in the faking of the moon landing.
So this may one party's better than the other, just.
Like no, no, no absolutely. I'm so convinced of the UNI

(38:34):
party concept now more than everbased on the way the way Trump's
been. So we have no argument there.
I, I, I, I bring that up becauseI remember like, didn't they
supposedly call Nixon from the moon?
Didn't Neil Armstrong call Nixon?
Because I remember seeing Nixon with like a Rotary phone
supposedly talking to somebody on the moon.

(38:56):
I always thought that was so ridiculous.
I'm like, how are they talking to each other on a phone call?
Is that, is that in the book? Is that in the movie?
Well, they allegedly did that. Of course, they weren't on the
moon, and they were in Earth orbit the entire time, which

(39:17):
it's much easier to do. No, I know.
But my, my, my point is, how ridiculous is it that people
believe that Richard Nixon was speaking on a telephone in 1969
to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon?
Like they called Nixon from the moon and and how many miles away

(39:39):
is the moon? I don't even know.
Is it? Like it depends on the apogee or
perigee, but it's about, you know, 239,000 miles away,
something like that. And that phone call went through
like, that's even absolutely ridiculous to think about.
OK, let me see what else I wanted to ask about the Kubrick,

(40:02):
you know, the, the fact that that Buzz Aldrin did punch you.
I, I, I agree with you. I, I think yes.
I mean, is it the nicest thing to do to make somebody swear on
a Bible? No, but if you absolutely.
Are are truthful in what that person asked elsewhere on the
Bible or like you said, yeah, give me two Bibles.

(40:24):
What it what, what else do you want?
I, I, I think that's the easiestway to shut that person up.
And then was there. Have we supposedly been to the
moon again? I don't even know.
I mean, I think that was the the, the big one.
But like, supposedly we've been to the moon again or no?
You know, they were all back-to-back missions during the

(40:45):
Nixon administration. And so no one has left Earth
orbit since 1972 or at least claim claim to have left Earth
orbit and they can't do it. They've said since then about 10
times they're going to return tothe moon in five years.
Can you imagine this 10 times, right?
Reagan says they're going to return to the moon, or Senior

(41:06):
says they're going to return to the moon.
Clinton says they're going to return to the moon in five
years, right? Then you have Butch Junior said
they're going to return to the moon in five years.
He said that twice. Then you had Obama said they're
going to return to the moon in five years.
You had Trump said they're goingto return to the moon in five
years and they can't do it. Why is it that they can do
something in eight years with 1960s technology, but in 40

(41:31):
years of advancement since then they can't do it?
You understand, you cannot have greater technology in the past
and in the future. It's impossible.
The truth is right there, you know, and yet people don't want
to see it. This is this is now making me
think like I'm trying to think when the Challenger exploded, I

(41:53):
think I was in like the 6th grade or maybe the 7th grade.
So that must have been like 1986or 1987.
You remember when I'm talking about the Challenger explosion
And, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they supposedly were
going back to the moon, correct?No, no, but Space Shuttle was

(42:13):
only designed to do Earth orbit.OK, OK, OK.
So that space shuttle was just going to do an Earth orbit and
then that that blew up. OK, all right, all right.
So in my mind, I was thinking were they was that supposedly
meant to go back to the moon? And obviously they blew it up so
they wouldn't even have to have that that conversation.
So, you know, there's I don't put anything past any facet of

(42:37):
government anymore. And the sacrificing of lives is,
you know, collateral damage to them.
I mean, I think that applies to to so many different things.
OK, What, what have you been over the years?
Like, have you ever been, I guess, I don't know, get a
random call at at 2:00 AM and somebody on the other line tells

(42:59):
you, hey, you better shut the hell up and stop talking about
this because you've been loud about this.
Like, you've been really loud about it as you.
Have you ever been kind of kind of told to stop barking up this
tree? Well, the first film that we
made was called The funny thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.

(43:21):
It took seven years to produce, and it culminates with that
footage of them faking being halfway to the moon. 4 out of
five people who previously thought the moon visions are
real changed their mind in 45 minutes, largely because of that
footage. That footage proves they're
faking being halfway to the moon, which means they can't go
halfway, which means they didn'tgo.

(43:43):
And they all had identical equipment.
So if one equipment can't leave Earth orbit, none of it could.
And so since the film came out, we produced Astronauts Gone
Wild, which is me confronting the Apollo astronauts.
And since then, I wrote a book called Moon Man, which is in
audiokinderleprint@sabra.com. And that's the one that has 17

(44:05):
interactive video links, all of which you can see for free
anyway at the website. And it goes into the behind the
scenes adventures. Basically when my source came
forward and confessed that he murdered somebody to keep them
letting fraud a secret. When I was confirming the

(44:26):
details with his son over the phone prior to the publication
of the book. A few days later he his house
was broken into and everything about his father was
confiscated. And a few days after that, he
was threatened with death if he spoke to me again about his
father's participation in the moon landing fraud.

(44:48):
Now, when I found that footage which proves they never left
Earth orbit, but I had some problems.
And I go into this in great detail.
And a chapter in the book calledThe funny thing happened on the
way to CNN, where I found the footage proving they never left
Earth orbit. I showed it to the first NBC
News director. He agreed.

(45:09):
It proved they didn't go to the moon.
I was going to give it to a colleague at CNN, where I was
surrounded by the police. The tape was confiscated and I
was drugged by some government agents with something like true
serum. I was interrogated.
I escaped their custody. I made my way back to Nashville

(45:31):
and I peed in a cup to prove that I had been drugged.
And when I later inquired about the lab results, the lab
informed me that they had a break in over the weekend and
the only thing stolen was my urine sample.
So. Wow, what are the odds of that?
Yeah, these adventures, I go into great detail in the book.

(45:55):
I didn't mention them in the film, but this is kind of my
memoir about what happened. And sadly, they did fake the
moon landing. You have to understand when
Ralph Nader wanted to get GM to put airbags in cars, they had
him followed by the FBI just didnot put airbags in cars.

(46:20):
And so imagine the harassment for a journalist uncovering the
embarrassment that they actuallydid fake the moon landing, you
see. So yeah, I have been had
problems about it. My sources have had problems
about it and maybe 1 Apollo astronaut was murdered when he

(46:41):
was about to confess. There were whistleblowers at
NASA and Rocketdyne who were also murdered.
And according to the widow of anApollo astronaut who I
interviewed for about 3 hours, she said her husband was
murdered by the CIA. And this was the guy who was

(47:02):
going to be the first man to walk on the moon who wouldn't
cooperate with the fraud. So, according to her, he was
murdered by the CIA. So the first document of our
country is the Declaration of Independence, which says when
any government becomes destructive of life, liberty and

(47:22):
the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter
or abolish it. So the people and any state has
the legal authority to withdraw from participation with the
federal government when they aredestructive of life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness. Well, the first one is life.

(47:44):
They're murdering their own people.
Woods was a plan in the Kennedy administration to bomb
Americans, to kill hundreds of Americans so they could blame it
on Cuba and go to war with Cuba.Or do you think 9911 was right?
So, and then if they're startingthe Vietnam War based on an

(48:05):
event that didn't happen, then they murdered 58,000 of their
own soldiers. Then there's, you know, the time
the government put radioactive iodine and mother's melt to see
if the babies would be deformed.So this type of thing is going
on in the federal government andunless they get caught with
something like the moon landing fraud that will outrage people,

(48:27):
they're going to continue to do it.
And so I don't know that there'smuch hope left for the world or
America. We need divine intervention
because these people are going to keep doing what they're doing
and worse unless. They get caught.
You have thoughts on 9/11? Well, when I do research as a

(48:52):
journalist and a filmmaker, my opinion is the opinion of the
experts. If I interview somebody who
works at a pharmaceutical company for 10 years as vice
president and he's a virologist,but I don't know about virology.
So if he says if he says there'sno reason to take the medicine,

(49:14):
that the reason is being fabricated, and if he says the
medicine is not good for you, that becomes my opinion.
If a relative of JFK says he waskilled by the CIA, that's my
opinion. If 3000 architects and engineers
are risking their livelihoods and their reputations and say

(49:35):
it's mechanically impossible forskyscrapers to collapse with the
pinhole airplane going in and out, that's my opinion.
All you have to do is look at the Oklahoma City bombing
photograph where half the building is blown away and the
grid it still stands. It doesn't collapse.
So a pinhole going in and out ofa grid is not going to cause us

(49:57):
to collapse. And then half of Americans don't
even know about building 7A47 story building that collapsed
the same day without being hit by an airplane.
I mean, come on, people. And, you know, they have
animation to prove that the, youknow, building collapsed because
of a furniture fire, just like they have animation of them

(50:17):
landing on the moon and animation that Oswald killed
Kennedy. Yeah.
Are you, do you know, do you know Richard Gage?
Are you friends with Richard Gage?
No. OK, Richard was one of the
original architects on the 3000 Architect 911 Truth Committee.
I had him on the podcast and he delivered an unbelievable

(50:40):
presentation that basically proves that, you know, building
7, which by the way, this is insane that there are people
that still don't even know that Building 7.
I know people in the government,I talked to military people.
I mentioned Building 7. They're like, what's that?
I mean, that's how much they control the media.

(51:01):
Building 7 proves it was a conspiracy proves and.
It proves it was a controlled demolition.
Richard's presentation and if. That one was a controlled
demolition. What about the other two The
same day however it was earlier I mean.
My other, my other one on 9/11 is just the Pentagon.
It's like, where's the plane? You never see the plane hit the

(51:21):
Pentagon and the the odds of being able to hit the Pentagon.
And then there was one interviewwith this guy, Jamie McIntyre, I
think on either CBS or CNN, where he was up close and he
said, you know, from my up closevantage point, I don't see any
remnants of a plane. And that that interview got

(51:42):
aired once and then they never aired it again.
So anyway, those are all excellent, excellent examples.
Anything else on the moon landing?
Any anything else you want to leave people with on this?
Well, I would say, imagine this.Imagine what would happen if the

(52:05):
truth about the moon landing fraud came out.
If let's say the president or the next president brings
forward an Apollo astronaut or CIA personnel and they say,
look, the government's gotten out of control.
They faked the moon landing and we're going to look into 911.
We're going to look into JFK. What would happen?

(52:26):
I mean, it would be like the entire world had a glass of cold
water thrown into their face. Then they wake up and realize
that they're sleepwalking and they look down and they're one
foot away from a Cliff. While it would be messy, like
popping a boil to tell the truthabout the moon landing fraud,

(52:50):
there would be relief and healing.
We don't want to live in a worldand we don't want to live in a
country where they're faking themoon landing, the greatest event
in human history, and murdering people to cover it up.
And until we tell the truth about it, the deep state, the
gangsters, the evil people have won.
So we have to tell the truth about it, regardless of the

(53:13):
consequences. If Lucifer is the father of
lies, he can be defeated by telling the truth.
Apollyon is the name of Lucifer in the Book of Revelation.
Apollyon Apollo Liar. They're saying it right there in
the plain sight and. Are you Christian?

(53:35):
Are you Christian? I've noticed a lot of religious
connotations. Are you Christian?
I try. Yeah, that's fair.
Don't. Fail most of the time.
That's a fair way to put it. That's for listen, I think
you've, you've touched on so many things.
And by the way, I really do haveto commend you.
You, you, you, you're knowledgeable on all of this and

(53:59):
you've thrown out so many subtleNuggets.
I mean, I get all of them, I really do, because I've studied
all this. But I think people are going to
have to watch this thing a few times to get all the, all the,
the little Nuggets of things from the Gulf of Tonkin to
Operation Northwoods to JFK to 911 to I mean, I guess I can say

(54:21):
COVID at this point. I think we're, we're allowed to,
we're allowed to say it. But everything you said honestly
makes a lot of sense. And I think the unfortunate part
was, or the unfortunate part is everybody thought Trump was the
guy that was going to unveil allthis and unmask all this.
And whether it's the Epstein 5 or the JFK, you know, what

(54:44):
really happened with JFK, what really happened with Robert F
Kennedy junior, what really happened with Martin Luther King
Junior? You know, all those quote UN
quote files that, you know, whatever they released were so
redacted and they were so contrived.
I don't think anybody got any closure.
But I will tell you this, when you put your name and fake moon

(55:05):
landing in TikTok, there are thousands of people that agree
with you. And I mean, more than that even.
And there's a lot of independentjournalists, independent people
that have taken your work and then have, you know, even taken
it to another level and they've cited it and they've talked

(55:26):
about it. And so anyway, you've got a lot,
you've got a lot of people agreeing with you, and I'm one
of them. Well, I'm not.
I wouldn't say, like you called me the expert at the beginning.
I wouldn't consider myself the expert.
There are other people who have done more research into the
rocket propulsion, how that can prove we didn't go to the moon
or the geology of the rocks or even the photographs.

(55:48):
There's a great guy in Great Britain who studies the angles
of the lighting and grids and all these things.
But I guess my specialty is the overview putting it together and
the zeal and passion that I wentfrom being afraid to make the
movie for fear I would be killed, to realizing I'm going

(56:10):
to die anyway. And there is a right and a
wrong. And any president has to
realize, So what if they threatened to kill you?
It'd be better to be right in the sight of God than in the
sight of men. And no one wants to die a
coward. We have to be willing to die for
what is right. That's why bullies win, because

(56:33):
no one is willing to die for what is right anymore.
I changed my mind and I said theshaking of the moon landing is
more profound than if they'd actually gone.
It is the truth worth a dying for that the public needs to
know. So maybe a president will have
that gumption in the future and save America and humanity.

(56:55):
Maybe. Let's hope it's definitely.
It's definitely not this currentone.
All right, Bart, listen, this isawesome.
I really do appreciate it. I'm going to put links to your
website, your book, the movie. I want everybody to have those
accessible. I'll put them in the show notes.
I really do appreciate the time.All right, everybody, I told you
this one was going to be a banger.

(57:15):
This was a banger. We might have to we might have
to have you back on it after I get a ton of questions and
people will. I've got a few friends I know
who are going to be naysayers and they're going to try to come
back with with holes to poke. So we might have to do a quick
follow up. But listen, I really appreciate
the time. Hang on the line, All right?
Everybody call spade a spade, doyour own research, come to your

(57:37):
own conclusions. But you know what, have an open
mind to everything. All right, hold on, Bart.
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