September 18, 2025 • 47 mins
🎙️ EP#373 | DSD | The Charlie Kirk Assassination: Narrative Breakdown, Media Silence & Shifting Allegiances
The assassination of Charlie Kirk has sent shockwaves across political, religious, and media landscapes. In this episode, we unpack the chaotic and controversial narrative surrounding his death — dissecting the alleged timeline, the official story, and the glaring inconsistencies that have ignited widespread skepticism. Ray D dives deep into the convoluted details, from the mysterious rifle assembly to the presence of a potential patsy, questioning what really happened on that rooftop and why the crime scene was dismantled in record time.
We also explore the media reaction — or lack thereof — and the peculiar order in which world leaders and publications responded. Why did Israel’s Prime Minister and the Jerusalem Post know about Kirk’s death before most U.S. outlets? Was Kirk, once a staunch supporter of Israel, beginning to shift ideologically? With clips from Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and even Charlie himself, the episode presents compelling evidence of a man evolving — and possibly threatening powerful interests in the process.
But Ray doesn’t stop there. He scrutinizes Kirk's legacy with brutal honesty, acknowledging his immense talent and influence while holding him accountable for his more divisive rhetoric — particularly about Islam and Muslims. Through it all, Ray reminds us of a vital truth: no one should die for their opinions, no matter how controversial. This is a comprehensive, no-BS breakdown of a story that’s far from over.
🔥 Top 5 Key Points:
The official story surrounding Kirk’s assassination is full of logical holes.
A mysterious “patsy” appears to have played a distraction role — and has a bizarre background.
Tucker Carlson claims Charlie lost donors for associating with him and others critical of Israel.
Israel was the first to report Kirk’s death — and Netanyahu responded almost instantly.
Kirk may have been shifting ideologically, aligning more with Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.
🔑 Keywords & Themes:
Charlie Kirk, assassination, conspiracy, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Netanyahu, Israel, Gaza, Zionism, anti-Semitism, political rhetoric, Gen Z conservatives, Turning Point USA, disinformation, media silence, U.S. foreign policy, Mossad, shooter narrative, cover-up, rifle assembly, George Zinn, Epstein files, crime scene tampering, Bibi Netanyahu, Deep State, narrative control, conservative influencers
⏳ Chapters & Timestamps:
00:00 – 🎬 Intro & Housekeeping
01:30 – 💬 Listener Feedback & Episode Reflections
04:45 – 🧪 Dr. Brian’s LSD, Food Science & Soul Journey
06:30 – 🌕 Moon Landing Hoax? Bart Sabrell Recap
07:45 – 💥 Revisiting the Charlie Kirk Assassination
09:10 – 🎯 Who Had the Most to Gain or Lose?
10:00 – 🎧 Breakdown of the “Official” Narrative
13:20 – 🧰 Rifle Assembly, Rooftop Escape & Tactical Analysis
15:30 – 🕵️ The Distractor: Who is George Zinn?
17:00 – 🚫 No Crime Scene? No Camera?
19:00 – 🇮🇱 Why Did Israel Report the Death First?
21:00 – 📣 Tucker Carlson Breaks His Silence
23:30 – 💸 Donor Fallout & The Anti-Semitism Accusation
25:45 – 🕊️ Candace Owens, Friendship & Allegiance Shifts
28:00 – 🔥 Internal Criticism of Netanyahu
32:00 – 🎵 Charlie Texting Kanye Lyrics
35:00 – ❓ Was Charlie Changing His Stance on Israel?
38:10 – 📻 Flashback: Charlie Predicts Gaza Ethnic Cleansing
41:00 – 🧠 Legacy, Debate, and The Cost of Speech
43:30 – 🎙️ End Clip: The Problem with His Rhetoric
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🧩 Narrative Full of Holes
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The following podcast is a deep shallow dive production.
And you're going to love it. OK, let's go.
Hey, what's up, everybody? How are you?
Happy Thursday. Hope you guys are having a good
week. Man, what an eventful week.
What a crazy week, actually. OK, let's see.
Let's see what we want to talk about.
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Well, first of all, a little bitof housekeeping.
All right? Monday's episode and Tuesday's
episode, I've got one friend. He's like, dude, I love it how
you always say if you didn't geta chance to listen to this
episode, it's probably my best. He's like, bro, we listen to
your podcast, you don't need to keep selling us.
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And then I told him, I'm like, I'm seriously not trying to sell
you on listening. I just genuinely feel that way
about, gosh, many episodes. I'm sorry, I really do.
But I have to tell you, the episode with Doctor Brian on
Monday, I actually got a great message from a long time
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lifelong friend, long time listener, my man Len Spacek.
Hadn't heard from him in a while.
You know, my guy Lenny, my guy Lenny's not into politics too
much and I get that. So I've known I'm like, yeah,
he's probably dropped off listening because Ray DS gone
heavy on the geopolitics. But but you know what?
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That's what the people want. I'm giving I'm giving the people
what they want. Plus, I love it.
I'm not going to lie. All right, so anyway, I got a
really nice message from Lenny. He said, hey, that was such a
great episode, one of the best podcasts he's ever listened to.
So I really appreciate that. No, but it was really good.
What a what a what an awesome guy Brian was.
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And I'm I'm definitely going to have a back on 'cause I told him
I actually shared Lenny's message with him and he was so
he's so appreciative. Oh my God, you know how you, you
know how when you talk to somebody or you meet somebody
and, and you know, you just get it that they're a really
appreciative person. And so I, I, I didn't share
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Lenny's name, but I kind of copied the message and I said,
Hey, I just wanted to let you know the episode came out on
Monday. It's been getting amazing,
amazing feedback. And here's an example.
And he called me right away and he's like, this is so meaningful
to me. I've been kind of, you know,
going through a little bit of soul searching and he's like,
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wow, this really made my day. And I'm sharing all that
because, you know, I'm at a point in all honesty, and some
days and sometimes with this podcast where, you know, again,
I mean, it's pretty good. I'm not going to flex on my
numbers, but they're not bad. I mean, they're not bad, but
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they're not, you know, they're not like amazing.
You know, for me, my problem is I don't compare myself to
probably people that I should instead.
It's like, you know, I want to, I want to be in the Joe Rogan
stratosphere. I want to be in the Tucker
Carlson stratosphere, the Candace Owens stratosphere.
You know, honestly, I don't think I'm as good as any of
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those. I really don't.
But I'd like to, I'd like to continue to grow.
And for me, that's kind of who Icompare myself to, which is
probably a huge mistake because because again, they are, they
are elite at what they're doing.And you know, in, in Joe Rogan
and Tucker Carlson's case, obviously they've been doing it
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a hell of a lot longer. And even Candace, she's been at
this since 2017. So anyway, but my point is,
regardless of whether you're enormous at anything or small at
anything, it's like little things, you know, 1 little thing
from, I shouldn't even say little, one thing from one
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person can totally impact another person tremendously.
And I genuinely feel like the sharing of the feedback from Len
to Brian, I, I honestly think itreally maybe helped Brian get
out of his funk, whatever funk he was going through.
I don't even know, we didn't getinto it too much, but I know I
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thought that was really cool andI wanted to start off by kind of
sharing, sharing that little story.
But really the episode, I'm not going to ruin it for those that
listened, but it was just wild because we naturally went from
talking about, you know, preservatives and health and
Wellness and, and, and being a food scientist and digging into,
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you know, various topics of ingredients to all that.
To then him sharing, you know, walking across America in honor
of his dad with no money and sleeping on the side of the
street, which that still blows me away.
To then jumping forward to like the dude did LSD at Burning Man.
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I mean, like just insane. But the fact that he was so
authentic to kind of talk about all those things.
And quite frankly, that our conversation somehow lent itself
to to authentically and comfortably talking about all
those things. I think it's a really good
episode. And then on Tuesday, I finally
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launched the episode with Bart Sabrel, which, you know, this
guy's been on. Well, Speaking of which, he's
been on Joe Rogan, he's been on Candace Owens, I believe he's
been on Tucker Carlson. And he is kind of the guy that
that really pokes holes in the moon landing and basically calls
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the 1969 Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin moon landing a hoax.
And it's a really good episode. I will say this about the
episode with Bart. I, I, I was a little surprised
at he, he was a little more reserved than I had seen him in
previous interviews. And I kind of shared that with
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them a few days later kind of when we were editing it.
And, you know, it turns out he, he, he's a Christian now.
And so I, I mean, good for good for him, but he's not as
hardcore and he's not as hardcore because I think he, he
feels like he shouldn't be. But our interview, I was kind of
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wanting a little more raw natureto it and, and, and that wasn't
there, but he brought up such a variety of of interesting things
to ponder. So again.
So that was Tuesday. All right, housekeeping out of
the way. OK, I as much as as much as I
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was like not planning on kind ofrevisiting the Charlie Kirk
stuff. I do think we need to revisit it
a little bit because, you know, there's a lot of moving parts to
this and my goal overall with everything, and you guys know,
this is, you know, I'm just kindof presenting you things as I
see them. Now again, obviously, yes, I
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have a direction that I think you know, or not even a
direction. I have my thoughts on who did
it, who has the most to gain, who has the most to lose.
That's actually a great way to think about so many situations.
Who has the most to gain from Charlie Kirk being assassinated?
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And then think about who had themost to lose from Charlie Kirk
not being assassinated and Charlie Kirk staying alive.
Let me say that again, this is agreat way to think through all
this stuff and it really appliesto this, but I'm sure we can
apply it to so many other things.
But who has the most to gain from the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk? And then who had the most to
lose had Charlie Kirk not been assassinated and let's say,
let's say, continued down the path and trajectory he was
continuing down. And So what I'm going to do
today is I'm going to share withyou some more, really some more
things that have come out and well, they, they've been out,
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but some more pieces of this puzzle that I think you need to
take in in order to, you know, collectively, we try to
understand what's going on. All right, let me play you some
important clips. Let's start with this one.
I'm not going to interrupt. I'm going to let it play all the
way through. This guy did a really good job
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of and he's just like a random dude on on Instagram.
I think he's a doctor actually, but he did a really nice job of
summing up the official narrative.
OK, now obviously you'll realizeafter like 5 seconds that he's
kind of being facetious about it.
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Is that the right word? Facetious.
Oh, he's is that the right word?Oh my God.
He's kind of poking fun at it bysaying it, but just this is the
narrative. I mean, this is the narrative
that is the official storyline. And the reason everybody's up in
arms is because it doesn't make any sense.
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So I'm not going to interrupt this.
I'm going to let you listen to this all the way through all.
Right, let's go over the official Charlie Kirk narrative
because I'm kind of slow. 22 year old who got radicalized
online but has no social media presence.
Took a rifle but has no shootingexperience, according to his
grandma. All right, I lied.
Sorry, I, I have to, I have to interject here.
So that's two things that are true.
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He's a 22 year old that got radicalized online, but then
again, there's no social media presence.
So the dudes got, the kids got no social media presence, but he
got radicalized online. That makes zero sense.
Now there's a lot of debate as to whether he had shooting
experience or did not have shooting experience.
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The kids grandmother said he didnot have any shooting
experience. I believe the grandmother he
doesn't look like a kid that hasshooting or had shooting
experience. But again, I can't say one way
or another on that. Snuck in to this campus,
assembled the rifle with no extra tools, put the scope on
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with no practice shots, had it perfectly aligned and with one
shot had a shot. Took it, disassembled, jumped
off the roof, change clothes again, reassembled the rifle,
threw it into the woods. All right, this is probably the
area that is being picked apart like so easy on Instagram,
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particularly pretty much by likeformer Green Berets, Navy Seals,
guys that have been in special Forces and literally to a guy,
they talk about the process of disassembling a rifle like this.
I think it's called a Hauser. They said it's incredibly
difficult, incredibly time consuming and it takes tools.
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OK, so you need like an Allen wrench and another type of
pliers. Now just put yourself in this
kids situation. Imagine if you had just
literally assassinated Charlie Kirk and how freaking nervous
and how much adrenaline you'd have going through your body as
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you're trying to get away and and basically disappear jumping
off of a roof doing all this. And then literally, I'm sorry,
supposedly he disassembled that rifle on the roof.
Like that process would be insane.
You'd be so nervous and you'd have so much adrenaline running
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through you. I don't know if you've ever
worked with an Allen wrench or ahex key or whatever, but they're
a pain in the ass. Like those are not easy tools to
deal with. So this part's gotten debunked
like crazy. And again, from like dudes that
are are are literally actually even a lot of snipers have came
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out and said this is virtually impossible to disassemble this
in minutes the way they're saying that he did.
And then even when he jumped offthe roof, you could see
supposedly where the rifle was supposed to be.
The bag ended up being a hoodie because it bent when he jumped.
So anyway, that part is is incredibly hard to wrap your
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mind around. And then the fact that he's
changing clothes twice and then also reassembling the rifle.
Like, why reassemble it? Why put it back together and
then wrap it in a towel and dumpit in the woods?
That doesn't make any sense, Went. 250 miles talked to
someone on a random app and confessed his dad turns him in
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and now here we are. Keep in mind this 22 year old
with no previous experience of any of this planes with two
patsies at the event to draw cover for him, claiming they
were the shooters briefly. Alright, I got to jump in real
quick. I don't even know who the second
Patsy was, but the first Patsy was that old white dude.
His name is like George Zinn or something.
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Anyway, this is the guy that like at the beginning was like,
I did it, I did it, and he completely sucked all the
attention one way while whomeverwas probably the actual real
shooter was doing, you know, going the other way.
So then this George Zin guy, it came out that he had like, like
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child pornography on his phone and everyone was like, see, see,
he's a scumbag. And in my opinion, that was on
purpose because it basically discredited him.
But he had already done his job.He had played his role.
And this guy's role was to divert all the attention on site
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and on social media for a good hour or so to him.
So in the other direction, sleight of hand, something else
could be going on another way. Now, this George Zin guy has
also been shown to like, like hewas at 911.
He was there at 9:11 and then hewas somewhere else.
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Another like really random, awful catastrophe.
This guy was there. So it's obvious this guy's like
a professional rebel rouser or rabble rouser, whatever that
word is. I like that word actually.
And and here's the crazy thing the the FBI or nobody is talking
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about. Well, what's the link between
him and Tyler Robinson? Like, why would they be doing
this together? Because they weren't, they
didn't have anything to do with each other.
But I'm telling you, the fact that they found like child
pornography on his phone, you know, the next day, that's just
a disc credit him as a witness overall, not even a witness as
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in as as a a part of this overall.
So basically everybody pretty much writes him off and they
stop talking about how he actually fulfilled his job and
his role, which was, you know, the distract.
He was the distraction for the first, you know, probably 60 to
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75 to 90 minutes of this whole thing on Wednesday.
So he could have covered to get away.
I haven't seen a Ballistics report.
I'm not sure if that's been doneat all.
And the crime scene was startingto get broken down by Turning
Point members, you know, 6 minutes after this.
All right, this is ridiculous and I do need to chime in on
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this. Literally the crime scene, as
soon as they took Charlie's bodyaway from that little holding
area on the field or the grass, they started breaking down that
area. They did not tape it off with
yellow caution tape and turn it into a crime scene.
And then the weirdest thing of all was there was literally a
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camera behind Charlie that should have captured everything,
including where the bullet kind of came from.
Because there's a lot of there'sa lot of disagreement on, you
know, was it a clean shot right into the neck or did the bullet
come from the right side, hit his bulletproof vest metal plate
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and then bounce up into the neck?
Meaning was that the the exit wound instead of the entrance
wound? I personally think it absolutely
came from the roof and it was a clean shot to the left side of
his neck. But there's a lot of argument as
to whether the bullet came from the right side.
Well that camera that was literally directly behind
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Charlie Kirk should capture or have captured all that footage.
But 6 minutes after this you cansee what what looks like normal
turning point USA staff completely taking down the the
camera and then also that entirecrime scene.
No crime scene, no investigation, just take it
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down. Shut her down.
Charlie Kirk left an SUV. There's still no autopsy that
I've seen, but apparently, you know, we've got our guy.
That's not weird at all that Charlie was scared of 1 country
taking him out. And it's not weird at all that
the leader of that country was the first leader around the
world to declare the death of Charlie.
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All right, so this is the majority of the talk that's
really on Instagram for sure, actually tick tock as well and a
little bit of Facebook. But, you know, basically the
fact that did Israel take him out because he was starting to
maybe, I don't know, change his allegiance and starting to
basically maybe lean toward whatCandace Owens has been saying,
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what Tucker Carlson has been saying, what now Megyn Kelly has
been saying. And again, I'm going to play
some stuff. You know, you've got to come to
these conclusions on your own. You really do.
But what I will say is what thisguy said is totally true.
You know, the fact that he died was first reported in the
Jerusalem Post. Like, how is that possible?
How is it possible that an Israeli newspaper whom they are
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13 hours ahead of Kelly before you, how is it first reported in
the Jerusalem Post even before, you know, the USA TODAY, CNN,
Fox, all those guys? That's a little bit weird.
And then he's right again about Netanyahu.
Netanyahu, this is weird too. Netanyahu and Trump basically
tweeted out at the same time. I think it was 3 O 2:00 PM
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Eastern Time that Charlie Kirk was dead.
That was weird. Both of them.
You can see this anywhere online.
It's in so many different places.
But the fact that they both tweeted at 3:02 PM Eastern Time,
that was strange. And then after that, if you
noticed on, well, it's really Friday, Thursday and Friday,
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Netanyahu was all over the like Newsmax, News Nation, the New
York Post, Fox, all the right wing places, not any of the left
wing stuff like CNN or MSNBC or even a BCCBSNBC.
He was all over Fox News Nation,You know who else?
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New York Post, all those right wing places, you know, basically
doing interviews about this and people were like, dude, aren't
you fighting like 7 wars with like 20,000 other countries?
But you've got time to like go out of your schedule and, and,
and get airtime on U.S. media and you're a foreign leader.
That doesn't really make any sense.
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And it's not weird at all. That article from that country
was the first article about the shooting.
Also totally normal. Since this happened, Epstein
files have been blocked by Congress and Congress passed
more laws banning any criticism of that one country.
And there you have it. The same media three letter
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agencies that gave you the truthon MLK, JFK, 9/11, COVID shots
in the arm, Butler shooting havefigured it out.
We got our guy and that's the story.
So keep on trucking and we'll we'll see you on the next one.
Oh my God, I seriously love humanity.
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I love people, I really do. I love people.
But you know what? They're going to take the
Internet away from us. There's just, there's just no
doubt in my mind they're going to take the Internet away.
People are too damn smart and they are too fast to to rifle
through the bullshit. Oh my God, it's hilarious.
I'm joking about taking the Internet away, although maybe
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I'm not, but I think that's so funny.
Anyway, there are just a lot of people with a lot of views and
I'm so glad they're expressing it.
All right, so I thought that wasreally good.
That took a little bit longer than I wanted, but he really did
cover pretty much the that's pretty much the narrative.
OK, so, so if you want to get upto speed as to what quote UN
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quote they're telling us, that'spretty much what they're telling
us. So you have to decide, you know
what you think about that. All right, let me play some
hardcore clips and I'm going to start with a couple from Tucker
Carlson because he had not really said much for the first
few days and now he is all right, Actually, let me set this
up. So what he's talking about is
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he's basically addressing the fact that Tucker, I'm sorry, the
fact that Charlie Kirk brought Tucker to the Turning Point USA
event July of this year. So just a few months ago in
Tampa, I believe I played a bunch of those clips.
But remember how I said I, I think I said this on the episode
from Thursday, which by the way,that episode from Thursday is
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tracking to be my highest rankedepisode ever.
We're like over 26,000 downloadson that.
That's pretty good. OK, so remember how I said that,
you know, is was Charlie Kirk starting to have a change of
thought process in regards to his stance on Israel?
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And again, was he starting to drift to Team Candace, whom he
maintained his BFF friendship upuntil literally his dying day.
Rest his soul on that. And then even Tucker, who's his
kind of like mentor, you know, now he wasn't outwardly coming
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out and saying things, but the simple fact that he had Tucker
Carlson at the Turning Point event, he had comedian Dave
Smith, who is a staunch Jewish American, anti Zionist, had him
at the event. He had Megyn Kelly at the event.
He didn't have Candace. I don't think that would have
been possible. He wouldn't have been able to do
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that. But Tucker, Dave Smith, Megyn
Kelly, he took a lot of shit from people for even having them
at the event and giving them hisplatform, which remember, you're
talking about hundreds of thousands of Gen.
Z Christian white American youth.
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You know, that's the that's the Gen.
Z power base for both the Republican Party and the
Judeo-christian world. OK, so listen to Tucker here.
The ones who were offended by myspeech, and there was a small,
very intense group who were tormented, Charlie Kirk, until
the day he died. Two days before he died, he lost
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a $2,000,000 donation because hehad publicly pledged to bring me
to the next Turning Point conference in December.
And he told me over the past couple of months he was losing a
lot of donations over that pledge.
They put out a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at
this event giving a speech. And so he would text me and say,
man, I'm really taking a lot of heat for this and people are
really mad. The American Jewish Committee
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called in a statement, Charlie Kirk an anti Semite and quote,
dangerous Charlie Kirk an anti Semite.
He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite and he was
not dangerous. He was a great lover of people
and a purveyor of peace. He was the opposite and he was
very stung by that. And those of us who've been
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called names for a long time area little bit harder to offend.
Charlie was deeply offended by that and expressed some of those
feelings on Megyn Kelly Show andin other places, but that did
not let up. The reason I'm telling this
story is because he called me and then came to see me at my
house about this topic and I said to him every single time,
look, it's, you know, I've got my own way to communicate my
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views. This is actually not the most
important issue to me. There are lots of things I can
talk about. I don't need to come to turning
point. I can take you off no problem.
I hated seeing how much he was suffering, the hassle he was
getting from people. And I was being attacked too, by
the way. Alright, I let that play all the
way through without interruptingit because I do think that was
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very important to take that all in.
Okay now again remember these two are very close friends.
And by the way, remember you know one thing that gets lost in
all this is Charlie Kirk was only 31 years old man, that is
young. And again, This is why I say he
absolutely was a tremendous talent.
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He really was. He really was.
And for those of you that don't like Charlie Kirk or did not
like Charlie Kirk, you have to understand he was a immense
talent. I was trying yesterday to think
about somebody on the Liberal Democratic left that I could
compare him to, and there reallyisn't anybody.
I can't even think of anybody. The kid was legit.
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He really was. He was ridiculously smart,
incredible, like, like thinker on his feet.
And but again, he's only 31. Tucker Carlson, I believe, is
5657. So he did look at Tucker as a
mentor. OK, He really did look at Tucker
as a mentor. OK, Here's Part 2 of that Tucker
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speech. It was shocked and sickened by
the reaction of the ghoulish andreally repulsive reaction of the
Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's
death. Basically made it all about him
and all about his country immediately trying to take the
energy, the sadness, the grief that people felt over Charlie's
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murder and redirect it towards support for whatever project
he's involved in. And by the way, Benjamin
Netanyahu is not the same as thenation of Israel at all.
Phoebe is despised by many people in Israel.
And if you know people who live there, you know that that's
true. There are huge divisions within
the Israeli government. I mean, there are certain parts
of the the Intel world in Israelthat do not support some things
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that Benjamin Netanyahu has donerecently.
So it's not the same as attacking Israel, attacking
Bibi. But I I don't think I've ever
seen anything lower than his attempt to hijack Charlie's
memory and use it for his own political ends, particularly
because what he said was completely untrue.
Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews.
He had tons of friends who were Jews.
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He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there.
He did not like Bibi Netanyahu. And he said that to me many
times and he said to people around him many times, he felt
that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force.
He was appalled by what was happening in Gaza.
All right, I did have to interject on this.
If Charlie Kirk was appalled by what was happening in Gaza,
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honestly, the fact that he really never said anything about
it to me shows a real either lack of, I don't know, deep down
integrity or maybe he was that scared.
I get it. But regardless, you know, I
don't give him a pass for that. If he was appalled by what was
happening in Gaza, You know what, man, you do have a big
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plat or you did have a big platform and you could have said
something there. There should have been something
said. Now, maybe him again giving his
platform to the Tucker Carlsons,the Megan Kelly's, the Dave
Smiths, and then not attacking Candace Owens ever.
By the way, that's another interesting thing.
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Maybe that was his way of doing it.
But I will say again, when I talk to people that are super
pro Charlie Kirk, I do bring that up and I say, hey, I can't
give him a pass for that, even though I know there was probably
a lot of fear involved. Now, again, I mean, I'm going to
be fair. You know, until you're in that
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position, you don't know how hard or how much that pressure
is. And obviously based on the fact
that in in whoever is responsible, the kid paid the
ultimate price. I mean, you do have to factor
that in. I get it.
I, I am not trying to be all high and mighty there.
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But anyway, I did want to kind of interject that little piece
in terms of, you know, Tucker saying he was appalled by what
was happening in Gaza. I did not ever hear him ever
express that verbally. All right, let's listen to the
rest of this. He was above all, resentful that
he believed Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute
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his wars for the benefit of his country and that it was shameful
and embarrassing and bad for theUnited States.
And he resented it, didn't hate Netanyahu.
He wasn't out there with a placard saying that.
But he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of other people.
And there's no question that Bebe's defenders on the Internet
will call me a liar or a kook. But that's a fact, and enough
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text messages exist that I thinkit can probably be verified in
pretty short order. Not that it needs to be, because
that is true. You know, I will say this in
terms of Tucker and and Candace Owens.
I mean, think about how much youtext message with your closest
friend on an issue. So I cannot imagine Tucker
Carlson having said all of that if he didn't already know he's
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got all the receipts needed to back it up in case he ever needs
to. And then the same thing with
Candace Owens. I mean, she's going scorched
earth on her podcast in regards to all of this.
And again, she's got all the text messages.
She already published one of them.
And so I have a feeling she's going to publish a bunch more.
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You know, the other thing is in regards to Charlie Kirk and
Candace Owens, you know, they were incredibly good friends, if
not best of friends. I mean, that's what Candace
said. She said they were best of
friends and they remained best friends, you know, literally up
until the day he passed. So that that made me think like,
man, that is so interesting thattwo people in such high profile
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positions with such, you know, dichotomy of their stance on the
most controversial topic that's gripped, you know, life and the
world for practically the past two years.
How the hell did they maintain their friendship?
I mean, that's pretty wild. I don't, I don't, I don't, I
don't think I've lost any friends over any stuff that I've
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talked about. But I will say, I'm sure it's
strained some friendships, I'm sure maybe some people have, you
know, and again, whether it's this stuff or whether it's
talking about the vaccines and talking about COVID or talking
about Russia, Ukraine or whatever I've talked about, you
know, I'm sure that I have to imagine if people, if some of my
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friends felt the opposite of some of the things I've posted
or talked about on this podcast.I'm sure that has played a role
in our friendship. I might not even know it, but
you know, maybe the fact that I haven't heard from XYZ person in
six months or nine months, you know, maybe maybe that's the
answer right there. So it is very hard for me to
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understand how honestly, how Charlie and Candace, who again,
were so like diametrically opposed on this issue, managed
to maintain their friendship. Unless, unless behind the
camera, behind the scenes, behind the curtain.
Maybe they weren't as diametrically opposed as we
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think they are. Or we thought they are without
being Privy, quite frankly, to their actual relationship.
Let me read you something. So this was what I wrote under a
post of basically Candace Owens posted a text message from her
and Charlie Kirk, and the text message was basically Charlie
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reciting Kanye West lyrics. OK, I call him Kanye West.
I don't like to call him yay. Although he probably would kill
me if I ever met him. He'd be like, that's my name.
Call me yay, Ray. All right, so I'm not going to
read you the lyrics because it kind of doesn't really matter
that much. But this is what I wrote.
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And I think this is pretty, I think it's pretty insightful.
I really do. And this is a Rady original, by
the way. All right, It says Candace Owens
has published a very recent SMS text message she received from
her best friend Charlie Kirk. According to her, it's a lyric
from the Kanye West song Power. For starters, don't you find it
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interesting that Charlie Kirk isquoting Kanye West in a recent
text message? Of all people, Kanye.
Isn't he supposed to be off limits for somebody like Charlie
Kirk? Okay, let me say that.
Let me say that again for those in the back.
Candace Owens has published a very recent text message that
she received from her best friend.
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According to her Charlie Kirk, quoting a Kanye West lyric.
If you followed Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk over the past
two years, you would know that they took the opposite stance on
the situation in Gaza. That has ruined many friendships
across the world. It has ruined relationships
within families, but somehow twoof the most high profile
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individuals on social media who are polar opposites on the most
polarizing topic supposedly somehow remained best friends.
That's impressive if true, and rare.
Think through that. Could there have been more to
Charlie's true feelings or did the two of them who seem to talk
about everything else in this world simply not talk about the
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most important issue that they've talked about on their
respective platforms? That seems highly unlikely or or
was Charlie changing and if he changed and by the way, this is
the most important part, OK. And if he changed, that means he
would most likely take the entire Gen.
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Z turning point, turning point USA young base of Christian
Republicans with him. All right, so again, at this
point in terms of kind of thingswith things from Tucker Carlson,
things from Candace Owens, I'm going to play a Megyn Kelly
thing for a second. Just remember again, I mean, was
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he changing? Was he changing his mindset?
By the way, I don't think his mindset or quite frankly,
Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson.I honestly, it's not like I
think they give a shit that muchabout Palestinian people.
I really don't. I mean, I know that might
surprise some of you. And the reason I say that is
because most people that truly like, I guess bleed for the
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Palestinian people. The, the first thing and the
loudest thing they say is they say free Palestine, right?
That's the that's the quote, that's the term free Palestine.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, I've never heard them say
Free Palestine. I've obviously never heard Megyn
Kelly say Free Palestine becauseshe's also a recent convert to
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even being critical of Israel. But think about that for a
second. I've never heard Tucker Carlson
or Candace Owens say Free Palestine.
I don't even know if I've heard the comedian Dave Smith say it.
I'll try to go back and find it,but my point of that is I don't
necessarily think even with Tucker and Candace, it's about
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the freeing of Palestine. What I think it's about is the
influence Israel has over our government, coupled with, quite
frankly, their belief that Christians are being persecuted
equally as Muslims. That's another thing.
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And then the third part of it ismaybe because of their Christian
values. I mean, if they're truly a
religious person, they do not think, you know, killing thy
neighbor is Christ like. So maybe maybe they are that
that Christian that they believethat.
But regardless, again, I mean, this is another interesting
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thing to think about. Neither Tucker nor Candace, I've
never heard them on record say free Palestine.
Now, if anybody has that, send it to me.
Maybe I'm wrong. But like I said, I mean, again,
I I applaud and appreciate theirtheir efforts.
All I'm pointing out is that I don't think they've ever taken
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it to that, I guess final degree, right?
All right, next thing, I played a couple clips on Thursday's
podcast. And by the way, if you didn't
listen to Thursday's, I believe it's episode 360, definitely go
listen to that. God, I said I should have said
this at the beginning, but it doesn't really matter.
Go back and listen to that. That was really good to give you
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a real foundation that I think we're building on today.
But I played a couple clips fromCharlie's appearance on the
Patrick Bet David podcast back on October 12th, 2023, OK?
And it was excellent. He was amazing in that.
Here is another clip from that that I found.
And this is equally as impressive because remember,
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this is five days after October 7th.
Nothing has really happened yet.But listen to what Charlie
predicts. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean that that's, and I'm, I
don't use that term lightly, OK.They're talking about basically
removing 2.5 million people fromthere, OK.
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And honestly, they have a mandate to go seek justice and
revenge. They do.
There is this idea that they need to have a true truce or a
peace treat. That's morally crap after you
see women and children be burnedalive and dragged to the
streets. But there are some serious
questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern
recognition over the last five years has become pretty sharp.
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COVID Maui fires, you know Epstein when I see a story and
it doesn't click, we're our gutsare usually right.
All right, the most important part of that was literally think
about it on August 12th, 5 days after October 7th in 2023, he
basically said they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
And that's pretty much what's played out over the past two
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years. So again, I give him such credit
on that. This is why I'm saying he was an
absolutely sharp kid. He really was.
And I will say his pattern recognition was incredibly
fine-tuned. COVID, the Maui fires.
He was super super on point. I mean like ridiculously on
point in regards to both of those.
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So I give him a lot of credit for both of those.
All right, so that's that. Let me see what else you know.
Gosh, I do want to, I guess I dowant to say this, you know, I
don't think you can. Well, you can, but I don't think
you need to have an all or nothing opinion of Charlie Kirk.
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You know, I really don't. I don't think you need to have
an all or nothing opinion. I don't have an all or nothing
opinion. If you have listened to episode,
I think I said 360 earlier, but it's 370.
God damn it. Done so many of these things I
forget. But if you had listened to
episode #370 which was the one Ilaunched Thursday that talks
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about him, and then listen to today, I don't know.
I think a lot of people. And actually, I did get a lot of
feedback about episode 370. I'm curious what the feedback
will be today. You know, I had a lot of people
just say, hey, that was pretty fair.
That was a fair analysis that you gave.
And no one really said, do you like Charlie Kirk or do you not
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like Charlie Kirk? And again, what I mean about all
or nothing is I'm not all or nothing on him.
I'll tell you what I am all or nothing on.
I don't think he deserved to lose his life, OK?
Like nobody does, not for what they say.
That's just you cannot go down that path.
You know, you cannot go down that path.
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So that is definitely a hard stop for me.
OK, He he deserved to lose debates.
I said it the other day, I'll say it again.
And I actually had somebody tellme they used that.
She knows who she is if she's listening to this.
And I appreciate that. And and that's where it boils
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down to, you know, he deserves to lose debates and get
humiliated in debates and all ofthat.
Kind of like Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray got humiliated on
that episode with with comedian Dave Smith on Joe Rogan.
And he's really kind of not beenin the public spotlight ever
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since. OK.
He really hasn't. He hasn't been in the public
spotlight ever since that. That's how it should have been.
You know, if Charlie Kirk had debated Nick Fuentes, he would
have gotten destroyed. He would have absolutely gotten
destroyed. That would have been easy work
for Nick as as they say in the fight game.
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And you know what? Maybe that's that's kind of what
he deserved, you know, to get easy worked by Nick Fuentes.
But he would never debate Nick Fuentes.
Ben Shapiro will never debate Nick Fuentes, all of these guys.
And again, remember, Nick Fuentes is 26.
Damn. Charlie Kirk's 31 or was 31.
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Nick Fuentes is 27 now, actually.
So man, these are some some sharp young kids.
All right. You know, I'm at 43 minutes.
I really do have a lot more to play, but I want to just finish
out on on just just some real thoughts on the guy.
Again, did not deserve that. I would much rather have him
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alive and with us and debating Nick Fuentes more than anything.
But he also did say some incredibly divisive stuff that
has huge ramifications. I mean, I'm talking about, I
mean as crazy as this sounds, hesort of was one of the people
that would was influencing people's mindsets to where let's
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say hypothetically I'm going to knock on wood and I hope it
doesn't happen, but I don't knowman.
I feel like it's going to another 9/11 type attack happens
and they pin it on a bunch of Muslims just like they did with
9/11. If if you are still thinking 19
random Muslim dudes with box cutters were able to overthrow
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or overtake 4 planes, fly them around for six hours and not
have the most sophisticated missile system to date, NORAD
scrambled jets to do anything and then fly them on these crazy
routes, I'm not even going to get into it.
You're a lunatic if you still after 20 years think that 911
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was was what they sold us, that bill of good they sold us, you
are seriously a lunatic and you need mental help.
I'm being dead serious about that.
I normally don't get as hardcorelike that, but I'm sorry, I have
to because again, the ramifications of what happened
after 911, think about it. You're talking about 1.6 million
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innocent Iraqis killed. You're talking about $8
trillion. You're talking about a 20 year
forever war. All of those things.
Those are people's lives that got taken with a big lie, OK.
And the problem I have with Charlie Kirk is kind of the
problem I ended episode 370 with.
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He was very divided, divisive with Muslim rhetoric, you know,
and, and, and, and again, that'snot good.
And I can't give him a pass on that.
And I think that if a 9/11 type event happened again, I mean,
God, I hope it doesn't, I could absolutely see him, you know,
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being an advocate for doing whatever it takes.
And I do have a clip and I'm going to end on this clip
because again, you have to have balanced perspective because
this is a complicated issue. So I'm going to end on this
clip. I'm going to let you listen to a
chances are this clip will get played again with other things.
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But at the end of the day, I'm just trying to give you, you
know, a very balanced picture ofof who he was all around.
But I'm just going to say it again.
He absolutely should be alive and he should be losing debates,
not his life. But give this a listen.
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So, you know, it's funny, I usedto say that, hey, if you as a
gay person would go to Gaza, they'd throw you off of tall
buildings. Right now they don't have any
tall buildings left so I don't. When you mess with the bull, you
get the. Horns is Is that too soon?
I'm sorry. Maybe you shouldn't kill Jews.
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Stupid Muslims. That was a great way to end it.
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Hey, what's up, everybody? How are you?
Happy Thursday. Hope you guys are having a good
week. Man, what an eventful week.
What a crazy week, actually. OK, let's see.
Let's see what we want to talk about.
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Well, first of all, a little bitof housekeeping.
All right? Monday's episode and Tuesday's
episode, I've got one friend. He's like, dude, I love it how
you always say if you didn't geta chance to listen to this
episode, it's probably my best. He's like, bro, we listen to
your podcast, you don't need to keep selling us.
(00:43):
And then I told him, I'm like, I'm seriously not trying to sell
you on listening. I just genuinely feel that way
about, gosh, many episodes. I'm sorry, I really do.
But I have to tell you, the episode with Doctor Brian on
Monday, I actually got a great message from a long time
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lifelong friend, long time listener, my man Len Spacek.
Hadn't heard from him in a while.
You know, my guy Lenny, my guy Lenny's not into politics too
much and I get that. So I've known I'm like, yeah,
he's probably dropped off listening because Ray DS gone
heavy on the geopolitics. But but you know what?
(01:32):
That's what the people want. I'm giving I'm giving the people
what they want. Plus, I love it.
I'm not going to lie. All right, so anyway, I got a
really nice message from Lenny. He said, hey, that was such a
great episode, one of the best podcasts he's ever listened to.
So I really appreciate that. No, but it was really good.
What a what a what an awesome guy Brian was.
(01:55):
And I'm I'm definitely going to have a back on 'cause I told him
I actually shared Lenny's message with him and he was so
he's so appreciative. Oh my God, you know how you, you
know how when you talk to somebody or you meet somebody
and, and you know, you just get it that they're a really
appreciative person. And so I, I, I didn't share
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Lenny's name, but I kind of copied the message and I said,
Hey, I just wanted to let you know the episode came out on
Monday. It's been getting amazing,
amazing feedback. And here's an example.
And he called me right away and he's like, this is so meaningful
to me. I've been kind of, you know,
going through a little bit of soul searching and he's like,
(02:37):
wow, this really made my day. And I'm sharing all that
because, you know, I'm at a point in all honesty, and some
days and sometimes with this podcast where, you know, again,
I mean, it's pretty good. I'm not going to flex on my
numbers, but they're not bad. I mean, they're not bad, but
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they're not, you know, they're not like amazing.
You know, for me, my problem is I don't compare myself to
probably people that I should instead.
It's like, you know, I want to, I want to be in the Joe Rogan
stratosphere. I want to be in the Tucker
Carlson stratosphere, the Candace Owens stratosphere.
You know, honestly, I don't think I'm as good as any of
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those. I really don't.
But I'd like to, I'd like to continue to grow.
And for me, that's kind of who Icompare myself to, which is
probably a huge mistake because because again, they are, they
are elite at what they're doing.And you know, in, in Joe Rogan
and Tucker Carlson's case, obviously they've been doing it
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a hell of a lot longer. And even Candace, she's been at
this since 2017. So anyway, but my point is,
regardless of whether you're enormous at anything or small at
anything, it's like little things, you know, 1 little thing
from, I shouldn't even say little, one thing from one
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person can totally impact another person tremendously.
And I genuinely feel like the sharing of the feedback from Len
to Brian, I, I honestly think itreally maybe helped Brian get
out of his funk, whatever funk he was going through.
I don't even know, we didn't getinto it too much, but I know I
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thought that was really cool andI wanted to start off by kind of
sharing, sharing that little story.
But really the episode, I'm not going to ruin it for those that
listened, but it was just wild because we naturally went from
talking about, you know, preservatives and health and
Wellness and, and, and being a food scientist and digging into,
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you know, various topics of ingredients to all that.
To then him sharing, you know, walking across America in honor
of his dad with no money and sleeping on the side of the
street, which that still blows me away.
To then jumping forward to like the dude did LSD at Burning Man.
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I mean, like just insane. But the fact that he was so
authentic to kind of talk about all those things.
And quite frankly, that our conversation somehow lent itself
to to authentically and comfortably talking about all
those things. I think it's a really good
episode. And then on Tuesday, I finally
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launched the episode with Bart Sabrel, which, you know, this
guy's been on. Well, Speaking of which, he's
been on Joe Rogan, he's been on Candace Owens, I believe he's
been on Tucker Carlson. And he is kind of the guy that
that really pokes holes in the moon landing and basically calls
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the 1969 Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin moon landing a hoax.
And it's a really good episode. I will say this about the
episode with Bart. I, I, I was a little surprised
at he, he was a little more reserved than I had seen him in
previous interviews. And I kind of shared that with
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them a few days later kind of when we were editing it.
And, you know, it turns out he, he, he's a Christian now.
And so I, I mean, good for good for him, but he's not as
hardcore and he's not as hardcore because I think he, he
feels like he shouldn't be. But our interview, I was kind of
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wanting a little more raw natureto it and, and, and that wasn't
there, but he brought up such a variety of of interesting things
to ponder. So again.
So that was Tuesday. All right, housekeeping out of
the way. OK, I as much as as much as I
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was like not planning on kind ofrevisiting the Charlie Kirk
stuff. I do think we need to revisit it
a little bit because, you know, there's a lot of moving parts to
this and my goal overall with everything, and you guys know,
this is, you know, I'm just kindof presenting you things as I
see them. Now again, obviously, yes, I
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have a direction that I think you know, or not even a
direction. I have my thoughts on who did
it, who has the most to gain, who has the most to lose.
That's actually a great way to think about so many situations.
Who has the most to gain from Charlie Kirk being assassinated?
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And then think about who had themost to lose from Charlie Kirk
not being assassinated and Charlie Kirk staying alive.
Let me say that again, this is agreat way to think through all
this stuff and it really appliesto this, but I'm sure we can
apply it to so many other things.
But who has the most to gain from the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk? And then who had the most to
lose had Charlie Kirk not been assassinated and let's say,
let's say, continued down the path and trajectory he was
continuing down. And So what I'm going to do
today is I'm going to share withyou some more, really some more
things that have come out and well, they, they've been out,
(08:25):
but some more pieces of this puzzle that I think you need to
take in in order to, you know, collectively, we try to
understand what's going on. All right, let me play you some
important clips. Let's start with this one.
I'm not going to interrupt. I'm going to let it play all the
way through. This guy did a really good job
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of and he's just like a random dude on on Instagram.
I think he's a doctor actually, but he did a really nice job of
summing up the official narrative.
OK, now obviously you'll realizeafter like 5 seconds that he's
kind of being facetious about it.
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Is that the right word? Facetious.
Oh, he's is that the right word?Oh my God.
He's kind of poking fun at it bysaying it, but just this is the
narrative. I mean, this is the narrative
that is the official storyline. And the reason everybody's up in
arms is because it doesn't make any sense.
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So I'm not going to interrupt this.
I'm going to let you listen to this all the way through all.
Right, let's go over the official Charlie Kirk narrative
because I'm kind of slow. 22 year old who got radicalized
online but has no social media presence.
Took a rifle but has no shootingexperience, according to his
grandma. All right, I lied.
Sorry, I, I have to, I have to interject here.
So that's two things that are true.
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He's a 22 year old that got radicalized online, but then
again, there's no social media presence.
So the dudes got, the kids got no social media presence, but he
got radicalized online. That makes zero sense.
Now there's a lot of debate as to whether he had shooting
experience or did not have shooting experience.
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The kids grandmother said he didnot have any shooting
experience. I believe the grandmother he
doesn't look like a kid that hasshooting or had shooting
experience. But again, I can't say one way
or another on that. Snuck in to this campus,
assembled the rifle with no extra tools, put the scope on
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with no practice shots, had it perfectly aligned and with one
shot had a shot. Took it, disassembled, jumped
off the roof, change clothes again, reassembled the rifle,
threw it into the woods. All right, this is probably the
area that is being picked apart like so easy on Instagram,
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particularly pretty much by likeformer Green Berets, Navy Seals,
guys that have been in special Forces and literally to a guy,
they talk about the process of disassembling a rifle like this.
I think it's called a Hauser. They said it's incredibly
difficult, incredibly time consuming and it takes tools.
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OK, so you need like an Allen wrench and another type of
pliers. Now just put yourself in this
kids situation. Imagine if you had just
literally assassinated Charlie Kirk and how freaking nervous
and how much adrenaline you'd have going through your body as
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you're trying to get away and and basically disappear jumping
off of a roof doing all this. And then literally, I'm sorry,
supposedly he disassembled that rifle on the roof.
Like that process would be insane.
You'd be so nervous and you'd have so much adrenaline running
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through you. I don't know if you've ever
worked with an Allen wrench or ahex key or whatever, but they're
a pain in the ass. Like those are not easy tools to
deal with. So this part's gotten debunked
like crazy. And again, from like dudes that
are are are literally actually even a lot of snipers have came
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out and said this is virtually impossible to disassemble this
in minutes the way they're saying that he did.
And then even when he jumped offthe roof, you could see
supposedly where the rifle was supposed to be.
The bag ended up being a hoodie because it bent when he jumped.
So anyway, that part is is incredibly hard to wrap your
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mind around. And then the fact that he's
changing clothes twice and then also reassembling the rifle.
Like, why reassemble it? Why put it back together and
then wrap it in a towel and dumpit in the woods?
That doesn't make any sense, Went. 250 miles talked to
someone on a random app and confessed his dad turns him in
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and now here we are. Keep in mind this 22 year old
with no previous experience of any of this planes with two
patsies at the event to draw cover for him, claiming they
were the shooters briefly. Alright, I got to jump in real
quick. I don't even know who the second
Patsy was, but the first Patsy was that old white dude.
His name is like George Zinn or something.
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Anyway, this is the guy that like at the beginning was like,
I did it, I did it, and he completely sucked all the
attention one way while whomeverwas probably the actual real
shooter was doing, you know, going the other way.
So then this George Zin guy, it came out that he had like, like
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child pornography on his phone and everyone was like, see, see,
he's a scumbag. And in my opinion, that was on
purpose because it basically discredited him.
But he had already done his job.He had played his role.
And this guy's role was to divert all the attention on site
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and on social media for a good hour or so to him.
So in the other direction, sleight of hand, something else
could be going on another way. Now, this George Zin guy has
also been shown to like, like hewas at 911.
He was there at 9:11 and then hewas somewhere else.
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Another like really random, awful catastrophe.
This guy was there. So it's obvious this guy's like
a professional rebel rouser or rabble rouser, whatever that
word is. I like that word actually.
And and here's the crazy thing the the FBI or nobody is talking
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about. Well, what's the link between
him and Tyler Robinson? Like, why would they be doing
this together? Because they weren't, they
didn't have anything to do with each other.
But I'm telling you, the fact that they found like child
pornography on his phone, you know, the next day, that's just
a disc credit him as a witness overall, not even a witness as
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in as as a a part of this overall.
So basically everybody pretty much writes him off and they
stop talking about how he actually fulfilled his job and
his role, which was, you know, the distract.
He was the distraction for the first, you know, probably 60 to
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75 to 90 minutes of this whole thing on Wednesday.
So he could have covered to get away.
I haven't seen a Ballistics report.
I'm not sure if that's been doneat all.
And the crime scene was startingto get broken down by Turning
Point members, you know, 6 minutes after this.
All right, this is ridiculous and I do need to chime in on
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this. Literally the crime scene, as
soon as they took Charlie's bodyaway from that little holding
area on the field or the grass, they started breaking down that
area. They did not tape it off with
yellow caution tape and turn it into a crime scene.
And then the weirdest thing of all was there was literally a
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camera behind Charlie that should have captured everything,
including where the bullet kind of came from.
Because there's a lot of there'sa lot of disagreement on, you
know, was it a clean shot right into the neck or did the bullet
come from the right side, hit his bulletproof vest metal plate
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and then bounce up into the neck?
Meaning was that the the exit wound instead of the entrance
wound? I personally think it absolutely
came from the roof and it was a clean shot to the left side of
his neck. But there's a lot of argument as
to whether the bullet came from the right side.
Well that camera that was literally directly behind
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Charlie Kirk should capture or have captured all that footage.
But 6 minutes after this you cansee what what looks like normal
turning point USA staff completely taking down the the
camera and then also that entirecrime scene.
No crime scene, no investigation, just take it
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down. Shut her down.
Charlie Kirk left an SUV. There's still no autopsy that
I've seen, but apparently, you know, we've got our guy.
That's not weird at all that Charlie was scared of 1 country
taking him out. And it's not weird at all that
the leader of that country was the first leader around the
world to declare the death of Charlie.
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All right, so this is the majority of the talk that's
really on Instagram for sure, actually tick tock as well and a
little bit of Facebook. But, you know, basically the
fact that did Israel take him out because he was starting to
maybe, I don't know, change his allegiance and starting to
basically maybe lean toward whatCandace Owens has been saying,
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what Tucker Carlson has been saying, what now Megyn Kelly has
been saying. And again, I'm going to play
some stuff. You know, you've got to come to
these conclusions on your own. You really do.
But what I will say is what thisguy said is totally true.
You know, the fact that he died was first reported in the
Jerusalem Post. Like, how is that possible?
How is it possible that an Israeli newspaper whom they are
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13 hours ahead of Kelly before you, how is it first reported in
the Jerusalem Post even before, you know, the USA TODAY, CNN,
Fox, all those guys? That's a little bit weird.
And then he's right again about Netanyahu.
Netanyahu, this is weird too. Netanyahu and Trump basically
tweeted out at the same time. I think it was 3 O 2:00 PM
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Eastern Time that Charlie Kirk was dead.
That was weird. Both of them.
You can see this anywhere online.
It's in so many different places.
But the fact that they both tweeted at 3:02 PM Eastern Time,
that was strange. And then after that, if you
noticed on, well, it's really Friday, Thursday and Friday,
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Netanyahu was all over the like Newsmax, News Nation, the New
York Post, Fox, all the right wing places, not any of the left
wing stuff like CNN or MSNBC or even a BCCBSNBC.
He was all over Fox News Nation,You know who else?
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New York Post, all those right wing places, you know, basically
doing interviews about this and people were like, dude, aren't
you fighting like 7 wars with like 20,000 other countries?
But you've got time to like go out of your schedule and, and,
and get airtime on U.S. media and you're a foreign leader.
That doesn't really make any sense.
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And it's not weird at all. That article from that country
was the first article about the shooting.
Also totally normal. Since this happened, Epstein
files have been blocked by Congress and Congress passed
more laws banning any criticism of that one country.
And there you have it. The same media three letter
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agencies that gave you the truthon MLK, JFK, 9/11, COVID shots
in the arm, Butler shooting havefigured it out.
We got our guy and that's the story.
So keep on trucking and we'll we'll see you on the next one.
Oh my God, I seriously love humanity.
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I love people, I really do. I love people.
But you know what? They're going to take the
Internet away from us. There's just, there's just no
doubt in my mind they're going to take the Internet away.
People are too damn smart and they are too fast to to rifle
through the bullshit. Oh my God, it's hilarious.
I'm joking about taking the Internet away, although maybe
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I'm not, but I think that's so funny.
Anyway, there are just a lot of people with a lot of views and
I'm so glad they're expressing it.
All right, so I thought that wasreally good.
That took a little bit longer than I wanted, but he really did
cover pretty much the that's pretty much the narrative.
OK, so, so if you want to get upto speed as to what quote UN
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quote they're telling us, that'spretty much what they're telling
us. So you have to decide, you know
what you think about that. All right, let me play some
hardcore clips and I'm going to start with a couple from Tucker
Carlson because he had not really said much for the first
few days and now he is all right, Actually, let me set this
up. So what he's talking about is
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he's basically addressing the fact that Tucker, I'm sorry, the
fact that Charlie Kirk brought Tucker to the Turning Point USA
event July of this year. So just a few months ago in
Tampa, I believe I played a bunch of those clips.
But remember how I said I, I think I said this on the episode
from Thursday, which by the way,that episode from Thursday is
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tracking to be my highest rankedepisode ever.
We're like over 26,000 downloadson that.
That's pretty good. OK, so remember how I said that,
you know, is was Charlie Kirk starting to have a change of
thought process in regards to his stance on Israel?
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And again, was he starting to drift to Team Candace, whom he
maintained his BFF friendship upuntil literally his dying day.
Rest his soul on that. And then even Tucker, who's his
kind of like mentor, you know, now he wasn't outwardly coming
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out and saying things, but the simple fact that he had Tucker
Carlson at the Turning Point event, he had comedian Dave
Smith, who is a staunch Jewish American, anti Zionist, had him
at the event. He had Megyn Kelly at the event.
He didn't have Candace. I don't think that would have
been possible. He wouldn't have been able to do
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that. But Tucker, Dave Smith, Megyn
Kelly, he took a lot of shit from people for even having them
at the event and giving them hisplatform, which remember, you're
talking about hundreds of thousands of Gen.
Z Christian white American youth.
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You know, that's the that's the Gen.
Z power base for both the Republican Party and the
Judeo-christian world. OK, so listen to Tucker here.
The ones who were offended by myspeech, and there was a small,
very intense group who were tormented, Charlie Kirk, until
the day he died. Two days before he died, he lost
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a $2,000,000 donation because hehad publicly pledged to bring me
to the next Turning Point conference in December.
And he told me over the past couple of months he was losing a
lot of donations over that pledge.
They put out a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at
this event giving a speech. And so he would text me and say,
man, I'm really taking a lot of heat for this and people are
really mad. The American Jewish Committee
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called in a statement, Charlie Kirk an anti Semite and quote,
dangerous Charlie Kirk an anti Semite.
He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite and he was
not dangerous. He was a great lover of people
and a purveyor of peace. He was the opposite and he was
very stung by that. And those of us who've been
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called names for a long time area little bit harder to offend.
Charlie was deeply offended by that and expressed some of those
feelings on Megyn Kelly Show andin other places, but that did
not let up. The reason I'm telling this
story is because he called me and then came to see me at my
house about this topic and I said to him every single time,
look, it's, you know, I've got my own way to communicate my
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views. This is actually not the most
important issue to me. There are lots of things I can
talk about. I don't need to come to turning
point. I can take you off no problem.
I hated seeing how much he was suffering, the hassle he was
getting from people. And I was being attacked too, by
the way. Alright, I let that play all the
way through without interruptingit because I do think that was
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very important to take that all in.
Okay now again remember these two are very close friends.
And by the way, remember you know one thing that gets lost in
all this is Charlie Kirk was only 31 years old man, that is
young. And again, This is why I say he
absolutely was a tremendous talent.
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He really was. He really was.
And for those of you that don't like Charlie Kirk or did not
like Charlie Kirk, you have to understand he was a immense
talent. I was trying yesterday to think
about somebody on the Liberal Democratic left that I could
compare him to, and there reallyisn't anybody.
I can't even think of anybody. The kid was legit.
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He really was. He was ridiculously smart,
incredible, like, like thinker on his feet.
And but again, he's only 31. Tucker Carlson, I believe, is
5657. So he did look at Tucker as a
mentor. OK, He really did look at Tucker
as a mentor. OK, Here's Part 2 of that Tucker
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speech. It was shocked and sickened by
the reaction of the ghoulish andreally repulsive reaction of the
Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's
death. Basically made it all about him
and all about his country immediately trying to take the
energy, the sadness, the grief that people felt over Charlie's
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murder and redirect it towards support for whatever project
he's involved in. And by the way, Benjamin
Netanyahu is not the same as thenation of Israel at all.
Phoebe is despised by many people in Israel.
And if you know people who live there, you know that that's
true. There are huge divisions within
the Israeli government. I mean, there are certain parts
of the the Intel world in Israelthat do not support some things
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that Benjamin Netanyahu has donerecently.
So it's not the same as attacking Israel, attacking
Bibi. But I I don't think I've ever
seen anything lower than his attempt to hijack Charlie's
memory and use it for his own political ends, particularly
because what he said was completely untrue.
Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews.
He had tons of friends who were Jews.
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He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there.
He did not like Bibi Netanyahu. And he said that to me many
times and he said to people around him many times, he felt
that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force.
He was appalled by what was happening in Gaza.
All right, I did have to interject on this.
If Charlie Kirk was appalled by what was happening in Gaza,
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honestly, the fact that he really never said anything about
it to me shows a real either lack of, I don't know, deep down
integrity or maybe he was that scared.
I get it. But regardless, you know, I
don't give him a pass for that. If he was appalled by what was
happening in Gaza, You know what, man, you do have a big
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plat or you did have a big platform and you could have said
something there. There should have been something
said. Now, maybe him again giving his
platform to the Tucker Carlsons,the Megan Kelly's, the Dave
Smiths, and then not attacking Candace Owens ever.
By the way, that's another interesting thing.
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Maybe that was his way of doing it.
But I will say again, when I talk to people that are super
pro Charlie Kirk, I do bring that up and I say, hey, I can't
give him a pass for that, even though I know there was probably
a lot of fear involved. Now, again, I mean, I'm going to
be fair. You know, until you're in that
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position, you don't know how hard or how much that pressure
is. And obviously based on the fact
that in in whoever is responsible, the kid paid the
ultimate price. I mean, you do have to factor
that in. I get it.
I, I am not trying to be all high and mighty there.
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But anyway, I did want to kind of interject that little piece
in terms of, you know, Tucker saying he was appalled by what
was happening in Gaza. I did not ever hear him ever
express that verbally. All right, let's listen to the
rest of this. He was above all, resentful that
he believed Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute
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his wars for the benefit of his country and that it was shameful
and embarrassing and bad for theUnited States.
And he resented it, didn't hate Netanyahu.
He wasn't out there with a placard saying that.
But he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of other people.
And there's no question that Bebe's defenders on the Internet
will call me a liar or a kook. But that's a fact, and enough
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text messages exist that I thinkit can probably be verified in
pretty short order. Not that it needs to be, because
that is true. You know, I will say this in
terms of Tucker and and Candace Owens.
I mean, think about how much youtext message with your closest
friend on an issue. So I cannot imagine Tucker
Carlson having said all of that if he didn't already know he's
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got all the receipts needed to back it up in case he ever needs
to. And then the same thing with
Candace Owens. I mean, she's going scorched
earth on her podcast in regards to all of this.
And again, she's got all the text messages.
She already published one of them.
And so I have a feeling she's going to publish a bunch more.
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You know, the other thing is in regards to Charlie Kirk and
Candace Owens, you know, they were incredibly good friends, if
not best of friends. I mean, that's what Candace
said. She said they were best of
friends and they remained best friends, you know, literally up
until the day he passed. So that that made me think like,
man, that is so interesting thattwo people in such high profile
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positions with such, you know, dichotomy of their stance on the
most controversial topic that's gripped, you know, life and the
world for practically the past two years.
How the hell did they maintain their friendship?
I mean, that's pretty wild. I don't, I don't, I don't, I
don't think I've lost any friends over any stuff that I've
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talked about. But I will say, I'm sure it's
strained some friendships, I'm sure maybe some people have, you
know, and again, whether it's this stuff or whether it's
talking about the vaccines and talking about COVID or talking
about Russia, Ukraine or whatever I've talked about, you
know, I'm sure that I have to imagine if people, if some of my
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friends felt the opposite of some of the things I've posted
or talked about on this podcast.I'm sure that has played a role
in our friendship. I might not even know it, but
you know, maybe the fact that I haven't heard from XYZ person in
six months or nine months, you know, maybe maybe that's the
answer right there. So it is very hard for me to
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understand how honestly, how Charlie and Candace, who again,
were so like diametrically opposed on this issue, managed
to maintain their friendship. Unless, unless behind the
camera, behind the scenes, behind the curtain.
Maybe they weren't as diametrically opposed as we
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think they are. Or we thought they are without
being Privy, quite frankly, to their actual relationship.
Let me read you something. So this was what I wrote under a
post of basically Candace Owens posted a text message from her
and Charlie Kirk, and the text message was basically Charlie
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reciting Kanye West lyrics. OK, I call him Kanye West.
I don't like to call him yay. Although he probably would kill
me if I ever met him. He'd be like, that's my name.
Call me yay, Ray. All right, so I'm not going to
read you the lyrics because it kind of doesn't really matter
that much. But this is what I wrote.
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And I think this is pretty, I think it's pretty insightful.
I really do. And this is a Rady original, by
the way. All right, It says Candace Owens
has published a very recent SMS text message she received from
her best friend Charlie Kirk. According to her, it's a lyric
from the Kanye West song Power. For starters, don't you find it
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interesting that Charlie Kirk isquoting Kanye West in a recent
text message? Of all people, Kanye.
Isn't he supposed to be off limits for somebody like Charlie
Kirk? Okay, let me say that.
Let me say that again for those in the back.
Candace Owens has published a very recent text message that
she received from her best friend.
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According to her Charlie Kirk, quoting a Kanye West lyric.
If you followed Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk over the past
two years, you would know that they took the opposite stance on
the situation in Gaza. That has ruined many friendships
across the world. It has ruined relationships
within families, but somehow twoof the most high profile
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individuals on social media who are polar opposites on the most
polarizing topic supposedly somehow remained best friends.
That's impressive if true, and rare.
Think through that. Could there have been more to
Charlie's true feelings or did the two of them who seem to talk
about everything else in this world simply not talk about the
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most important issue that they've talked about on their
respective platforms? That seems highly unlikely or or
was Charlie changing and if he changed and by the way, this is
the most important part, OK. And if he changed, that means he
would most likely take the entire Gen.
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Z turning point, turning point USA young base of Christian
Republicans with him. All right, so again, at this
point in terms of kind of thingswith things from Tucker Carlson,
things from Candace Owens, I'm going to play a Megyn Kelly
thing for a second. Just remember again, I mean, was
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he changing? Was he changing his mindset?
By the way, I don't think his mindset or quite frankly,
Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson.I honestly, it's not like I
think they give a shit that muchabout Palestinian people.
I really don't. I mean, I know that might
surprise some of you. And the reason I say that is
because most people that truly like, I guess bleed for the
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Palestinian people. The, the first thing and the
loudest thing they say is they say free Palestine, right?
That's the that's the quote, that's the term free Palestine.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, I've never heard them say
Free Palestine. I've obviously never heard Megyn
Kelly say Free Palestine becauseshe's also a recent convert to
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even being critical of Israel. But think about that for a
second. I've never heard Tucker Carlson
or Candace Owens say Free Palestine.
I don't even know if I've heard the comedian Dave Smith say it.
I'll try to go back and find it,but my point of that is I don't
necessarily think even with Tucker and Candace, it's about
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the freeing of Palestine. What I think it's about is the
influence Israel has over our government, coupled with, quite
frankly, their belief that Christians are being persecuted
equally as Muslims. That's another thing.
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And then the third part of it ismaybe because of their Christian
values. I mean, if they're truly a
religious person, they do not think, you know, killing thy
neighbor is Christ like. So maybe maybe they are that
that Christian that they believethat.
But regardless, again, I mean, this is another interesting
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thing to think about. Neither Tucker nor Candace, I've
never heard them on record say free Palestine.
Now, if anybody has that, send it to me.
Maybe I'm wrong. But like I said, I mean, again,
I I applaud and appreciate theirtheir efforts.
All I'm pointing out is that I don't think they've ever taken
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it to that, I guess final degree, right?
All right, next thing, I played a couple clips on Thursday's
podcast. And by the way, if you didn't
listen to Thursday's, I believe it's episode 360, definitely go
listen to that. God, I said I should have said
this at the beginning, but it doesn't really matter.
Go back and listen to that. That was really good to give you
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a real foundation that I think we're building on today.
But I played a couple clips fromCharlie's appearance on the
Patrick Bet David podcast back on October 12th, 2023, OK?
And it was excellent. He was amazing in that.
Here is another clip from that that I found.
And this is equally as impressive because remember,
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this is five days after October 7th.
Nothing has really happened yet.But listen to what Charlie
predicts. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean that that's, and I'm, I
don't use that term lightly, OK.They're talking about basically
removing 2.5 million people fromthere, OK.
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And honestly, they have a mandate to go seek justice and
revenge. They do.
There is this idea that they need to have a true truce or a
peace treat. That's morally crap after you
see women and children be burnedalive and dragged to the
streets. But there are some serious
questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern
recognition over the last five years has become pretty sharp.
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COVID Maui fires, you know Epstein when I see a story and
it doesn't click, we're our gutsare usually right.
All right, the most important part of that was literally think
about it on August 12th, 5 days after October 7th in 2023, he
basically said they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
And that's pretty much what's played out over the past two
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years. So again, I give him such credit
on that. This is why I'm saying he was an
absolutely sharp kid. He really was.
And I will say his pattern recognition was incredibly
fine-tuned. COVID, the Maui fires.
He was super super on point. I mean like ridiculously on
point in regards to both of those.
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So I give him a lot of credit for both of those.
All right, so that's that. Let me see what else you know.
Gosh, I do want to, I guess I dowant to say this, you know, I
don't think you can. Well, you can, but I don't think
you need to have an all or nothing opinion of Charlie Kirk.
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You know, I really don't. I don't think you need to have
an all or nothing opinion. I don't have an all or nothing
opinion. If you have listened to episode,
I think I said 360 earlier, but it's 370.
God damn it. Done so many of these things I
forget. But if you had listened to
episode #370 which was the one Ilaunched Thursday that talks
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about him, and then listen to today, I don't know.
I think a lot of people. And actually, I did get a lot of
feedback about episode 370. I'm curious what the feedback
will be today. You know, I had a lot of people
just say, hey, that was pretty fair.
That was a fair analysis that you gave.
And no one really said, do you like Charlie Kirk or do you not
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like Charlie Kirk? And again, what I mean about all
or nothing is I'm not all or nothing on him.
I'll tell you what I am all or nothing on.
I don't think he deserved to lose his life, OK?
Like nobody does, not for what they say.
That's just you cannot go down that path.
You know, you cannot go down that path.
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So that is definitely a hard stop for me.
OK, He he deserved to lose debates.
I said it the other day, I'll say it again.
And I actually had somebody tellme they used that.
She knows who she is if she's listening to this.
And I appreciate that. And and that's where it boils
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down to, you know, he deserves to lose debates and get
humiliated in debates and all ofthat.
Kind of like Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray got humiliated on
that episode with with comedian Dave Smith on Joe Rogan.
And he's really kind of not beenin the public spotlight ever
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since. OK.
He really hasn't. He hasn't been in the public
spotlight ever since that. That's how it should have been.
You know, if Charlie Kirk had debated Nick Fuentes, he would
have gotten destroyed. He would have absolutely gotten
destroyed. That would have been easy work
for Nick as as they say in the fight game.
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And you know what? Maybe that's that's kind of what
he deserved, you know, to get easy worked by Nick Fuentes.
But he would never debate Nick Fuentes.
Ben Shapiro will never debate Nick Fuentes, all of these guys.
And again, remember, Nick Fuentes is 26.
Damn. Charlie Kirk's 31 or was 31.
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Nick Fuentes is 27 now, actually.
So man, these are some some sharp young kids.
All right. You know, I'm at 43 minutes.
I really do have a lot more to play, but I want to just finish
out on on just just some real thoughts on the guy.
Again, did not deserve that. I would much rather have him
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alive and with us and debating Nick Fuentes more than anything.
But he also did say some incredibly divisive stuff that
has huge ramifications. I mean, I'm talking about, I
mean as crazy as this sounds, hesort of was one of the people
that would was influencing people's mindsets to where let's
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say hypothetically I'm going to knock on wood and I hope it
doesn't happen, but I don't knowman.
I feel like it's going to another 9/11 type attack happens
and they pin it on a bunch of Muslims just like they did with
9/11. If if you are still thinking 19
random Muslim dudes with box cutters were able to overthrow
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or overtake 4 planes, fly them around for six hours and not
have the most sophisticated missile system to date, NORAD
scrambled jets to do anything and then fly them on these crazy
routes, I'm not even going to get into it.
You're a lunatic if you still after 20 years think that 911
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was was what they sold us, that bill of good they sold us, you
are seriously a lunatic and you need mental help.
I'm being dead serious about that.
I normally don't get as hardcorelike that, but I'm sorry, I have
to because again, the ramifications of what happened
after 911, think about it. You're talking about 1.6 million
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innocent Iraqis killed. You're talking about $8
trillion. You're talking about a 20 year
forever war. All of those things.
Those are people's lives that got taken with a big lie, OK.
And the problem I have with Charlie Kirk is kind of the
problem I ended episode 370 with.
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He was very divided, divisive with Muslim rhetoric, you know,
and, and, and, and again, that'snot good.
And I can't give him a pass on that.
And I think that if a 9/11 type event happened again, I mean,
God, I hope it doesn't, I could absolutely see him, you know,
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being an advocate for doing whatever it takes.
And I do have a clip and I'm going to end on this clip
because again, you have to have balanced perspective because
this is a complicated issue. So I'm going to end on this
clip. I'm going to let you listen to a
chances are this clip will get played again with other things.
(46:00):
But at the end of the day, I'm just trying to give you, you
know, a very balanced picture ofof who he was all around.
But I'm just going to say it again.
He absolutely should be alive and he should be losing debates,
not his life. But give this a listen.
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So, you know, it's funny, I usedto say that, hey, if you as a
gay person would go to Gaza, they'd throw you off of tall
buildings. Right now they don't have any
tall buildings left so I don't. When you mess with the bull, you
get the. Horns is Is that too soon?
I'm sorry. Maybe you shouldn't kill Jews.
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Stupid Muslims. That was a great way to end it.
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