October 10, 2025 • 23 mins
🎙️ EP379 | DSD | Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk & The Chaos in Gaza
In this explosive solo episode, host Ray peels back the layers of the media fog to deliver unfiltered takes on two massive stories: the situation in Gaza and the escalating Candace Owens vs. Charlie Kirk fallout. Ray doesn’t hold back as he questions the legitimacy of ceasefire talks, dives into the motives behind potential long-game real estate plays in Gaza, and critiques the media’s quick fade from the story. He challenges mainstream narratives and calls out the silence surrounding deeper geopolitical intentions.
Switching gears, Ray breaks down the bombshell screenshots dropped by Candace Owens—texts between Charlie Kirk, Rob McCoy, and others—that reveal the internal chaos and donor pressure at Turning Point USA just days before Charlie's assassination. With shocking admissions now confirmed by TPUSA’s own Andrew Colvitt, the episode raises urgent questions about power, truth, and money in conservative media circles. Ray applauds Candace for not backing down and staying relentless where others have gone silent.
This episode also connects today's cultural absurdities—like vaccine bribery with free fries and bizarre AI-generated content—with the broader social narrative of how easily truth is buried. From the echoes of JFK to the lunacy of COVID-era conformity, Ray takes a sharp, witty, and brutally honest look at what’s really happening beneath the surface. If you're ready to question the noise and think independently, this episode hits hard.
🔥 Top 5 Key Points
Candace Owens releases confirmed group chat exposing Turning Point USA tensions
Ray questions the legitimacy of the Gaza ceasefire and outlines a potential long-term displacement strategy
Charlie Kirk’s assassination compared to the JFK moment of our era
Ray critiques partisan blindness and the weaponization of both conservative and liberal ideologies
Commentary on the rise of deepfake culture and AI-driven media manipulation
🔑 Keywords & Themes
Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, Rob McCoy, Andrew Colvitt, Gaza, Israel, Hamas, ceasefire, hostages, Jared Kushner, real estate in Gaza, conservative media, group chat leaks, donor pressure, assassination, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Gen Z, Elijah and Jad, pro-Palestinian, Netanyahu, fake ceasefire, political manipulation, media silence, AI video, Sora, Google Veo, COVID-era comparisons, JFK reference
⏳ Chapters & Timestamps
00:00 – Free class shoutout: HotWorks
02:42 – Gaza ceasefire skepticism
04:14 – Ray’s take on Hamas and hostage dynamics
07:29 – Gaza redevelopment: Kushner’s endgame?
08:24 – Candace Owens drops group chat bombshell
09:29 – Turning Point’s PR scramble and confirmation
11:11 – Inside the chat: donors, pressure, betrayal
13:21 – Ray reflects on assassination aftermath
15:43 – Conservative movement vs. truth
17:43 – Ray’s COVID-era comparisons
18:52 – AI content, Sora, and media distortion
21:25 – Trump vs. Biden: Golfgate debate flashback
22:14 – Final thoughts, book promo, and weekend send-off
23:17 – Sponsored by Zipix Nicotine Toothpicks
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🤯 Candace Drops Real Receipts
🌍 Gaza’s Future Is Not What It Seems
🧠Donor Pressure Destroys Conservative Truth
🔥 Charlie’s Assassination = Our JFK Moment
💸 Is Jared Kushner Gaza’s New Landlord?
🗣️ Ray vs. Political Lunacy – Both Sides
🎠AI Is Blurring the Real & Fake
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Episode Transcript
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OK, let's go. Hey, what's up everybody?
Happy Friday. Hope you guys had a good week.
Hey, sorry for getting this out a little later, but I did want
to get one out today. OK, Couple housekeeping things.
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By the way. I did have several people
actually reach out to me and saythey took one of those free
classes at that Hot works facility.
If you remember, I did an interview with their CEO Steve
Smith, gosh, maybe like 2 weeks ago or something.
And anyway, they, they have overgosh, almost 800 locations.
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And if you go to their website hotworks.net, you can sign up
for a free class. And I'm not kidding, I highly
recommend it. I've probably taken about 10
classes so far myself and dude, it is a beast of a workout.
I mean, they've got high intensity interval training.
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That's only 15 minutes and you are kind of drenched in 15
minutes. I've taken a few of those.
And then I've taken their 30 minute Hot isometric, I've taken
their 30 minute Hot Pilates. And then man, I took a 30 minute
hot bands class like resistance bands and it's, it's a great
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workout. It really is.
And again, for those that have no idea what I'm talking about,
basically this guy created a business out of doing your
workout inside a really nice, like ridiculously nice 10 by 10
infrared sauna. And again, I mean, I am drenched
when I come out of these things to where I've got to bring a
(01:53):
change of clothes and I literally like wring out my
shirt. So anyway, that free class, you
know, it might not be for you. I totally get that.
But if you're somebody that's looking for kind of a different
type of workout, just try it. It's free.
I mean, good prize. That's a good, that's a good
price free. So you can sign up on their
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website, hotworks.net still trying to get that guy the.com,
but whoever owns that won't get back to me.
So again, hotworks.net, find a location that's near you.
They have almost 800 of them. Sign up for the free class.
If you do end up doing it, make sure you tell them you listen to
the interview on Deep Shallow Dive, though.
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They'll take extra good care of you.
How about that? All right, anyway, hotworks.net,
grab a free class. Tell me if you like it.
All right, let's see what's going on.
You know, the the war in. I mean, I don't even know if I
should call it a war, but the situation in Gaza seems to have
come to an end. But I don't believe it.
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You know, obviously there was a ceasefire that was announced and
the plan is to have a phased, a phased approach to it, I guess
with phase one being that the 20or so Israeli hostages that
remain, I don't know if they've been released or they're going
to be released. And then to be honest with you,
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I'm not sure what what Israel supposed to do for Hamas on
that. But I'm just going to go on
record today, October 10th, 2025and say I do not think this is
the end of this situation. I think that what is happening
is that basically the hostages getting released will take away
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a significant portion of the theupheaval inside Israel because
obviously the folks, especially in Tel Aviv, you know, they want
their hostages back. And again, they deserve that.
I understand that 100%. And So what I think is happening
is by kind of doing a little bitof a bait and switch
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potentially. But I mean, I can't imagine
Hamas is that stupid to fall forthis.
And that's why I think they're fake.
I just do I think it is a contrived, A contrived
organization. Nobody, nobody really agrees
with me on that. At least none of the pro
Palestinian people. If you listen to the episode
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from Wednesday with Elijah and Jad, man, I really like those
two. Gosh, I think they are just so
smart and such a good representation of Gen.
Z. But you know, you've got a 21
year old, I think I think Jad might be 20, Elijah's 21, who
knows? I think they're both such smart
kids and such nice kids and justjust great.
Like I really enjoy talking to them.
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But anyway, even Jad, who's Palestinian, you know, I've had
this discussion with him severaltimes and he entertains it.
I don't think he necessarily agrees with me.
You know, Miko Pellet, whom was,you know, one of my one of my
amazing guests, I've talked to him about it.
I don't think he really agrees with me.
But I'm telling you, like if I'mHamas, how stupid are you?
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Like you think that you're goingto release the 20 hostages, then
you have no leverage. All your leverage is gone.
Even even that isn't really leverage, not with Netanyahu.
It's it's leverage, it's social leverage with the world maybe,
or with the media, but it's not really.
I mean, Netanyahu doesn't care about 20 people.
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Like he could care less. Dude could care less.
He could care less about anything besides what's in his
interest. Anyway, my point is, I'm just,
I'm just surprised that that this is, I don't, I don't know,
I don't want to call it a farce,but it kind of is to me.
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So here's my here's my call on what happens.
I think the hostages are released.
There's a little bit of a lull and and then something's going
to happen. You know, maybe not another
October 7th type event, but quote, UN quote, something is
going to happen and it's going to it's going to reignite this
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thing and they're going to go into phase two and they're just
going to continue doing what they've been doing for two years
and that's bombing. And again, with the goal of, you
know, removing the Palestinian people out, I really do think
that is I really do think that'stheir end game.
I think they want once and for all just to get rid of all those
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people, get them to to relocate somewhere.
You know, obviously there's a lot of talk about like Trump and
Jared Kushner building, you know, condo high rises in Gaza.
You know, Gaza's location, by the way, it's right on the sea.
I mean, it's gorgeous. It's in a beautiful, beautiful
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location. I think the weather's really
nice there. So, you know, the ability to
develop that into, you know, something incredible obviously
is there, but with the destruction that's taken place,
the question is, you know, how long would that even take?
But these guys are playing the long game.
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They are playing the long game. So even if that takes a decade,
I don't think they care. And honestly, I think a lot of
that is being driven by Jared Kushner.
I think he is absolutely the thehead of that potential real
estate development that is goingto take place in Gaza.
I think it absolutely is going to take place in Gaza anyway.
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OK, let's move on from that. Let's move on to the Candace
Owens, Charlie Kirk stuff because if you have not been
following it, man, it's really heating up.
Let me play you something. Charlie was done with Israel
bullying him, and I'm now going to present you proof of what I
am saying. This is an actual group chat
which happened two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
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There were nine people in total on this chat, including Charlie
and Rob McCoy. I'm going to protect the names
of the other seven for now. To be clear, I might actually
release a name every day this week, but I want to show you
this because suffice it to say, Rob McCoy was on this text
thread and I think it helps contextualize him as a person in
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my view that he would attack me for telling the truth about the
pressure that he was facing. Take a look.
All right, really quick. Sorry.
I should have set the stage for that.
So basically Candace earlier this week ended up releasing
screenshots of a text message that Charlie Kirk had with like
7 or 8 other people. And again, I think she's going
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to explain the contents of the text message next.
But again, so basically she's been, you know, obviously she's
been a beast about this and quite frankly, probably the only
one that's really, you know, trying to get answers to the
multitude of unanswered questions.
Wow, Very articulate right there.
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Ray D Thank you very much, Ray DAnyway, I'm going to start
talking to myself in the third person and then answering myself
in the third person. That's hilarious.
OK, so again, so she releases these screenshots of a text
message between Charlie and I guess 7-8 or nine, I forget
which how many other people thisRob McCoy guy is his pastor.
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This guy's shady AF. He's such a just a icky vibe
from this guy. But before I play you what is
said in the screenshots, which I'm pretty sure Candace is going
to read out, these are legit andI'm going to actually play you.
The response from that guy, Andrew Colvitt, the turning
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point USAPR guy who I find superSUS.
Like I think that guy is like crazy shady.
Shady in every aspect, but I'll play that now and then we'll get
into the rest. So when when you hear what is
said, you'll know it's legitimately true.
So listen to this from Andrew. And he came out with this a day
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later after Candace put everybody on blast because they
had to. He had to admit it was true
because he knew it was true. Start of the show to address
some of the things that have been going around on public,
namely about a text, a group text chain that has been made
known and released by cans Owens.
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And I just want to address it head on because you know, that
was a text grab a screen grab that I had shared with people.
So it it is authentic and I wantto go into it because I actually
am really excited that the the truth is out there.
Bro is not excited that the truth is out there.
All right, so now let's listen to the truth.
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So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another huge
Jewish donor, 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker.
I'm thinking of inviting Candace.
Somebody writes, Charlie writes.Jewish donors play into all of
the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied
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like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel.
Cause OK, so again, I know this is hard to maybe understand, but
she's reading the text message thread between Charlie and the
seven or eight other people. By the way, I she's funny.
She's like somebody writes Oh, and basically it was somebody
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that wrote the word Ugg. That's funny.
OK, so again, remember she's reading the actual thread.
This is all legitimate. It's been confirmed by Andrew
from Turning Point USA. So this is this is real.
And somebody writes, Sedona writes, please do not invite
Candace. That might feel good short term,
but it's not good long term in my opinion.
Like all groups, you're going toget a wide variety of opinions.
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That nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life
frustrating at times. After the dust settles a bit,
maybe. So again, this is 48 hours
before Charlie was assassinated.He was very clear and he's very
explicit. And he did not back down, not in
that Hamptons meeting, which they're all lying about, nor in
this text thread. I'm not going to reveal the
names of the other seven. Actually, you know what?
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I disagree with myself 4 secondsago.
Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for funsies.
He's on this chat. OK?
So what are we to make of that? OK, now that I'm showing you
this and showing to you that theconversations were real, I want
you to reflect. And it took me a lot of patience
to allow the lies that were being woven and the
misrepresentations of people that were pretending that I was
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just what, high on lying about Charlie and the pressure he was
under, the attacks that not justme, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly
faced for trying to stand up andtell the truth about what
Charlie was actually going through.
Why are you hearing it though, from me and Tucker Carlson and
Megyn Kelly? You know, honestly, we live in
this world now where like everything is here, here today,
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gone tomorrow. And so you know, it, it is
pretty crazy. I talked about this, I believe
on Tuesday's episode that, you know, we literally witnessed a
live assassination and less thantwo weeks later, or maybe right
around, or actually I'm sorry, alittle over 2 weeks later or no,
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I'm sorry, we're at a month now.Isn't that crazy?
We're at a month now. So we're at a month now.
And you know, again, it's like everybody's just completely
moved on pretty much besides Candace.
And I find that strange. I mean, again, it's this is this
is our version of the John F Kennedy assassination.
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And like I said, I thought it was insane that Americans at
that time believed that narrative so easily and just
moved on. And here we are in 2025 with all
the advances, all the progress in terms of everything, and you
have a substantial amount of people that have just completely
moved on after witnessing, gosh,probably the most brutal thing
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we've witnessed in at least since 9:11.
I mean, maybe that may be that may be true.
I mean, this assassination couldbe kind of the most gruesome
thing we've witnessed since 9:11.
So anyway, all right, let's listen to the rest of this.
Candace is a beast, man. She just is.
That weird, you got people that are hosting a show, have they in
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like 1 honorable thing come out and said like you know what FA
couple of these donors who made his life a living hell in the
last couple of weeks. Why haven't they done that?
There's also a rabbi in that chat, like, why hasn't anybody
made that move to at least say to vindicate what I have been
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saying about what he was going through?
That registers to me as very suspicious.
I'm going to frankly say that it's suspicious to me.
It makes me think that in the way, in the same way that
Charlie was being pressured by money, that you might be now run
by that same money, that those same donors might be running
you. I mean, how does everybody not
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agree with that? Like it's just such common
sense. We've absolutely, it's pretty
insane, man. It is pretty insane.
And and some of the arguments I'm seeing online and you know,
this really speaks to this really speaks to like the
conservative Republican right. I mean, here's what's crazy to
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me. The conservative Republican
right has literally turned into the liberal lunatic.
I shouldn't use the word lunatic.
My, my bad. The liberal left that we
experienced during COVID and really for those four years, I
mean, seriously, it's turned into the people that yelled at
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you for not wearing a mask and not wearing a mask in the car by
yourself driving, and the peoplethat yelled at you if you even
asked a question about the vaccine.
And now when I look at, you know, the big conservative pages
on social media, you've got people yelling at you for asking
questions about Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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I mean, it's really insane. It's really insane.
The complete sort of carbon copyof what took place during COVID
and the in many ways, lunacy of what the liberal side thought.
And by the way, that lunacy was thought by the same people that
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are now just as big of a lunaticwhen it comes to yelling at you
for asking questions about the Charlie Kirk situation.
Isn't that insane? I mean, seriously, it's like
it's kind of getting to a point.I was talking to somebody about
this, I forget who. It's like, Oh my God, I'm like
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a, a person without a, without ateam anymore because like both
sides of that are just lunatics and crazy.
And again, they're blinded by, Iguess, whatever partisan
affiliation they have versus being guided by the truth.
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Anyway, All right, let me see what else I can play.
Oh, my God, I have to play this.I don't know why this made me
think of this, but I've had thisclip in in my files.
Again, this just speaks to the lunacy that we've been living
ever since March 13th, 2020, that fateful Friday where they
told us not to leave the house, which, by the way, is the
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beginning of my book. I think you should buy the book.
It's really good. It really is.
All right, I got to start plugging the book more.
OK, Listen to this. Remember this, this.
I've played this before, but this was at the time New York
Mayor Bill de Blasio. Free fries when you get
vaccinated. I got vaccinated.
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You're saying I could get this the delicious fries.
Wait a minute. But there's also a a burger
element to this. Let me let me check with Bill
Neidhart. Is it too early in the day to
eat a burger? No.
This could be breakfast. OK.
I want you to look at this and think about again, some people
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love hamburgers. Some don't really want to
respect all ways of life. But if this is appealing to you,
just think of this when you think of vaccination.
Not familiar for me. I'm getting a very good feeling
about vaccination right this moment.
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Thank you. All right, again, that's such a
good clip that speaks to the insanity.
OK, you know what? Let's let's stay on this.
Let's stay on this thread. Here's another clip that if this
happened now, you would have thought this was an AI generated
video. Because if you're active on
social media, you're probably seeing such a host of
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unbelievable AI generated stuff that quite frankly, if they
weren't so funny, they'd be hardto decipher if it was real or
not. And this is primarily being done
through Open AI, which is the owner of ChatGPT and their Sora
platform for video creation. And now they've launched Sora 2,
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by the way, and then also through Google's VO.
And I believe Google's VO is on version 3.
But these tools, you know, with the proper prompting, they
create incredibly realistic, youknow, videos that quite frankly.
Now are being seated in a comedic sense, but man, this
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could get super dangerous super fast because they practically
are getting to a point where if if again, if the content and the
script is done in a nefarious nature, it's pretty much
impossible to tell if it's real or if it's not real.
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But here's an example of something that absolutely was
real back in 2024, and it was kind of the beginning of the end
for Biden. But listen to this.
Like, I swear, if this got put out today, everybody would think
it was artificial intelligence generated by Sora or what do you
call it, or VO. All right, so this is from the
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Trump Biden debate, the one thatbasically, again, was the
beginning of the end for Biden, and he did terrible on it.
But listen to this exchange. Just won two club championships,
not even senior, two regular club championships.
To do that you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to
hit the ball a long way and I doit.
He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards.
He challenged me to a golf match.
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He can't hit a ball 50. He's.
Happy to have a driving contest,Kareem.
I got my handicap, which when I was vice president down to a
six. And by the way, I told you
before, I'm happy to play golf. If you carry your own bag, think
you can do it? That's.
The biggest lie? He's a six handicap of all.
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I was an 8 handicap, yeah, 8. But I have, you know, I mean.
I've seen you swing. I know you swing.
I mean, honestly, take a second,take a second and and
pontificate on the fact that that was an actual discussion in
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front of the entire world and especially the American people
by the two men that have led theUnited States of America, the
leader of the free world for thefor the last nine years.
That was what they were talking about during that debate.
Oh my God, that's insane. All right, everybody, 22
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minutes. I've got a bunch more, but since
this got out a little later, I will end it here.
Have a great weekend, get out, get some steps in, get some
exercise going. I really need to kind of refocus
on some of the health stuff and honestly just start cranking out
more episodes. I've I've definitely lagged a
little bit, but anyway, we'll get back on track.
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I've got some more good guest interviews coming and that's
about it, man. That's about it.
Let me know any feedback. Let me know any questions.
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OK, let's go. Hey, what's up everybody?
Happy Friday. Hope you guys had a good week.
Hey, sorry for getting this out a little later, but I did want
to get one out today. OK, Couple housekeeping things.
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By the way. I did have several people
actually reach out to me and saythey took one of those free
classes at that Hot works facility.
If you remember, I did an interview with their CEO Steve
Smith, gosh, maybe like 2 weeks ago or something.
And anyway, they, they have overgosh, almost 800 locations.
(00:45):
And if you go to their website hotworks.net, you can sign up
for a free class. And I'm not kidding, I highly
recommend it. I've probably taken about 10
classes so far myself and dude, it is a beast of a workout.
I mean, they've got high intensity interval training.
(01:06):
That's only 15 minutes and you are kind of drenched in 15
minutes. I've taken a few of those.
And then I've taken their 30 minute Hot isometric, I've taken
their 30 minute Hot Pilates. And then man, I took a 30 minute
hot bands class like resistance bands and it's, it's a great
(01:31):
workout. It really is.
And again, for those that have no idea what I'm talking about,
basically this guy created a business out of doing your
workout inside a really nice, like ridiculously nice 10 by 10
infrared sauna. And again, I mean, I am drenched
when I come out of these things to where I've got to bring a
(01:53):
change of clothes and I literally like wring out my
shirt. So anyway, that free class, you
know, it might not be for you. I totally get that.
But if you're somebody that's looking for kind of a different
type of workout, just try it. It's free.
I mean, good prize. That's a good, that's a good
price free. So you can sign up on their
(02:14):
website, hotworks.net still trying to get that guy the.com,
but whoever owns that won't get back to me.
So again, hotworks.net, find a location that's near you.
They have almost 800 of them. Sign up for the free class.
If you do end up doing it, make sure you tell them you listen to
the interview on Deep Shallow Dive, though.
(02:35):
They'll take extra good care of you.
How about that? All right, anyway, hotworks.net,
grab a free class. Tell me if you like it.
All right, let's see what's going on.
You know, the the war in. I mean, I don't even know if I
should call it a war, but the situation in Gaza seems to have
come to an end. But I don't believe it.
(02:55):
You know, obviously there was a ceasefire that was announced and
the plan is to have a phased, a phased approach to it, I guess
with phase one being that the 20or so Israeli hostages that
remain, I don't know if they've been released or they're going
to be released. And then to be honest with you,
(03:18):
I'm not sure what what Israel supposed to do for Hamas on
that. But I'm just going to go on
record today, October 10th, 2025and say I do not think this is
the end of this situation. I think that what is happening
is that basically the hostages getting released will take away
(03:40):
a significant portion of the theupheaval inside Israel because
obviously the folks, especially in Tel Aviv, you know, they want
their hostages back. And again, they deserve that.
I understand that 100%. And So what I think is happening
is by kind of doing a little bitof a bait and switch
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potentially. But I mean, I can't imagine
Hamas is that stupid to fall forthis.
And that's why I think they're fake.
I just do I think it is a contrived, A contrived
organization. Nobody, nobody really agrees
with me on that. At least none of the pro
Palestinian people. If you listen to the episode
(04:24):
from Wednesday with Elijah and Jad, man, I really like those
two. Gosh, I think they are just so
smart and such a good representation of Gen.
Z. But you know, you've got a 21
year old, I think I think Jad might be 20, Elijah's 21, who
knows? I think they're both such smart
kids and such nice kids and justjust great.
Like I really enjoy talking to them.
(04:44):
But anyway, even Jad, who's Palestinian, you know, I've had
this discussion with him severaltimes and he entertains it.
I don't think he necessarily agrees with me.
You know, Miko Pellet, whom was,you know, one of my one of my
amazing guests, I've talked to him about it.
I don't think he really agrees with me.
But I'm telling you, like if I'mHamas, how stupid are you?
(05:08):
Like you think that you're goingto release the 20 hostages, then
you have no leverage. All your leverage is gone.
Even even that isn't really leverage, not with Netanyahu.
It's it's leverage, it's social leverage with the world maybe,
or with the media, but it's not really.
I mean, Netanyahu doesn't care about 20 people.
(05:28):
Like he could care less. Dude could care less.
He could care less about anything besides what's in his
interest. Anyway, my point is, I'm just,
I'm just surprised that that this is, I don't, I don't know,
I don't want to call it a farce,but it kind of is to me.
(05:48):
So here's my here's my call on what happens.
I think the hostages are released.
There's a little bit of a lull and and then something's going
to happen. You know, maybe not another
October 7th type event, but quote, UN quote, something is
going to happen and it's going to it's going to reignite this
(06:10):
thing and they're going to go into phase two and they're just
going to continue doing what they've been doing for two years
and that's bombing. And again, with the goal of, you
know, removing the Palestinian people out, I really do think
that is I really do think that'stheir end game.
I think they want once and for all just to get rid of all those
(06:30):
people, get them to to relocate somewhere.
You know, obviously there's a lot of talk about like Trump and
Jared Kushner building, you know, condo high rises in Gaza.
You know, Gaza's location, by the way, it's right on the sea.
I mean, it's gorgeous. It's in a beautiful, beautiful
(06:51):
location. I think the weather's really
nice there. So, you know, the ability to
develop that into, you know, something incredible obviously
is there, but with the destruction that's taken place,
the question is, you know, how long would that even take?
But these guys are playing the long game.
(07:13):
They are playing the long game. So even if that takes a decade,
I don't think they care. And honestly, I think a lot of
that is being driven by Jared Kushner.
I think he is absolutely the thehead of that potential real
estate development that is goingto take place in Gaza.
I think it absolutely is going to take place in Gaza anyway.
(07:35):
OK, let's move on from that. Let's move on to the Candace
Owens, Charlie Kirk stuff because if you have not been
following it, man, it's really heating up.
Let me play you something. Charlie was done with Israel
bullying him, and I'm now going to present you proof of what I
am saying. This is an actual group chat
which happened two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
(07:57):
There were nine people in total on this chat, including Charlie
and Rob McCoy. I'm going to protect the names
of the other seven for now. To be clear, I might actually
release a name every day this week, but I want to show you
this because suffice it to say, Rob McCoy was on this text
thread and I think it helps contextualize him as a person in
(08:18):
my view that he would attack me for telling the truth about the
pressure that he was facing. Take a look.
All right, really quick. Sorry.
I should have set the stage for that.
So basically Candace earlier this week ended up releasing
screenshots of a text message that Charlie Kirk had with like
7 or 8 other people. And again, I think she's going
(08:40):
to explain the contents of the text message next.
But again, so basically she's been, you know, obviously she's
been a beast about this and quite frankly, probably the only
one that's really, you know, trying to get answers to the
multitude of unanswered questions.
Wow, Very articulate right there.
(09:01):
Ray D Thank you very much, Ray DAnyway, I'm going to start
talking to myself in the third person and then answering myself
in the third person. That's hilarious.
OK, so again, so she releases these screenshots of a text
message between Charlie and I guess 7-8 or nine, I forget
which how many other people thisRob McCoy guy is his pastor.
(09:26):
This guy's shady AF. He's such a just a icky vibe
from this guy. But before I play you what is
said in the screenshots, which I'm pretty sure Candace is going
to read out, these are legit andI'm going to actually play you.
The response from that guy, Andrew Colvitt, the turning
(09:50):
point USAPR guy who I find superSUS.
Like I think that guy is like crazy shady.
Shady in every aspect, but I'll play that now and then we'll get
into the rest. So when when you hear what is
said, you'll know it's legitimately true.
So listen to this from Andrew. And he came out with this a day
(10:15):
later after Candace put everybody on blast because they
had to. He had to admit it was true
because he knew it was true. Start of the show to address
some of the things that have been going around on public,
namely about a text, a group text chain that has been made
known and released by cans Owens.
(10:36):
And I just want to address it head on because you know, that
was a text grab a screen grab that I had shared with people.
So it it is authentic and I wantto go into it because I actually
am really excited that the the truth is out there.
Bro is not excited that the truth is out there.
All right, so now let's listen to the truth.
(10:57):
So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another huge
Jewish donor, 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker.
I'm thinking of inviting Candace.
Somebody writes, Charlie writes.Jewish donors play into all of
the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied
(11:17):
like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel.
Cause OK, so again, I know this is hard to maybe understand, but
she's reading the text message thread between Charlie and the
seven or eight other people. By the way, I she's funny.
She's like somebody writes Oh, and basically it was somebody
(11:39):
that wrote the word Ugg. That's funny.
OK, so again, remember she's reading the actual thread.
This is all legitimate. It's been confirmed by Andrew
from Turning Point USA. So this is this is real.
And somebody writes, Sedona writes, please do not invite
Candace. That might feel good short term,
but it's not good long term in my opinion.
Like all groups, you're going toget a wide variety of opinions.
(12:02):
That nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life
frustrating at times. After the dust settles a bit,
maybe. So again, this is 48 hours
before Charlie was assassinated.He was very clear and he's very
explicit. And he did not back down, not in
that Hamptons meeting, which they're all lying about, nor in
this text thread. I'm not going to reveal the
names of the other seven. Actually, you know what?
(12:23):
I disagree with myself 4 secondsago.
Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for funsies.
He's on this chat. OK?
So what are we to make of that? OK, now that I'm showing you
this and showing to you that theconversations were real, I want
you to reflect. And it took me a lot of patience
to allow the lies that were being woven and the
misrepresentations of people that were pretending that I was
(12:45):
just what, high on lying about Charlie and the pressure he was
under, the attacks that not justme, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly
faced for trying to stand up andtell the truth about what
Charlie was actually going through.
Why are you hearing it though, from me and Tucker Carlson and
Megyn Kelly? You know, honestly, we live in
this world now where like everything is here, here today,
(13:06):
gone tomorrow. And so you know, it, it is
pretty crazy. I talked about this, I believe
on Tuesday's episode that, you know, we literally witnessed a
live assassination and less thantwo weeks later, or maybe right
around, or actually I'm sorry, alittle over 2 weeks later or no,
(13:28):
I'm sorry, we're at a month now.Isn't that crazy?
We're at a month now. So we're at a month now.
And you know, again, it's like everybody's just completely
moved on pretty much besides Candace.
And I find that strange. I mean, again, it's this is this
is our version of the John F Kennedy assassination.
(13:51):
And like I said, I thought it was insane that Americans at
that time believed that narrative so easily and just
moved on. And here we are in 2025 with all
the advances, all the progress in terms of everything, and you
have a substantial amount of people that have just completely
moved on after witnessing, gosh,probably the most brutal thing
(14:15):
we've witnessed in at least since 9:11.
I mean, maybe that may be that may be true.
I mean, this assassination couldbe kind of the most gruesome
thing we've witnessed since 9:11.
So anyway, all right, let's listen to the rest of this.
Candace is a beast, man. She just is.
That weird, you got people that are hosting a show, have they in
(14:37):
like 1 honorable thing come out and said like you know what FA
couple of these donors who made his life a living hell in the
last couple of weeks. Why haven't they done that?
There's also a rabbi in that chat, like, why hasn't anybody
made that move to at least say to vindicate what I have been
(14:57):
saying about what he was going through?
That registers to me as very suspicious.
I'm going to frankly say that it's suspicious to me.
It makes me think that in the way, in the same way that
Charlie was being pressured by money, that you might be now run
by that same money, that those same donors might be running
you. I mean, how does everybody not
(15:21):
agree with that? Like it's just such common
sense. We've absolutely, it's pretty
insane, man. It is pretty insane.
And and some of the arguments I'm seeing online and you know,
this really speaks to this really speaks to like the
conservative Republican right. I mean, here's what's crazy to
(15:44):
me. The conservative Republican
right has literally turned into the liberal lunatic.
I shouldn't use the word lunatic.
My, my bad. The liberal left that we
experienced during COVID and really for those four years, I
mean, seriously, it's turned into the people that yelled at
(16:06):
you for not wearing a mask and not wearing a mask in the car by
yourself driving, and the peoplethat yelled at you if you even
asked a question about the vaccine.
And now when I look at, you know, the big conservative pages
on social media, you've got people yelling at you for asking
questions about Charlie Kirk's assassination.
(16:29):
I mean, it's really insane. It's really insane.
The complete sort of carbon copyof what took place during COVID
and the in many ways, lunacy of what the liberal side thought.
And by the way, that lunacy was thought by the same people that
(16:51):
are now just as big of a lunaticwhen it comes to yelling at you
for asking questions about the Charlie Kirk situation.
Isn't that insane? I mean, seriously, it's like
it's kind of getting to a point.I was talking to somebody about
this, I forget who. It's like, Oh my God, I'm like
(17:12):
a, a person without a, without ateam anymore because like both
sides of that are just lunatics and crazy.
And again, they're blinded by, Iguess, whatever partisan
affiliation they have versus being guided by the truth.
(17:34):
Anyway, All right, let me see what else I can play.
Oh, my God, I have to play this.I don't know why this made me
think of this, but I've had thisclip in in my files.
Again, this just speaks to the lunacy that we've been living
ever since March 13th, 2020, that fateful Friday where they
told us not to leave the house, which, by the way, is the
(17:55):
beginning of my book. I think you should buy the book.
It's really good. It really is.
All right, I got to start plugging the book more.
OK, Listen to this. Remember this, this.
I've played this before, but this was at the time New York
Mayor Bill de Blasio. Free fries when you get
vaccinated. I got vaccinated.
(18:19):
You're saying I could get this the delicious fries.
Wait a minute. But there's also a a burger
element to this. Let me let me check with Bill
Neidhart. Is it too early in the day to
eat a burger? No.
This could be breakfast. OK.
I want you to look at this and think about again, some people
(18:42):
love hamburgers. Some don't really want to
respect all ways of life. But if this is appealing to you,
just think of this when you think of vaccination.
Not familiar for me. I'm getting a very good feeling
about vaccination right this moment.
(19:02):
Thank you. All right, again, that's such a
good clip that speaks to the insanity.
OK, you know what? Let's let's stay on this.
Let's stay on this thread. Here's another clip that if this
happened now, you would have thought this was an AI generated
video. Because if you're active on
social media, you're probably seeing such a host of
(19:25):
unbelievable AI generated stuff that quite frankly, if they
weren't so funny, they'd be hardto decipher if it was real or
not. And this is primarily being done
through Open AI, which is the owner of ChatGPT and their Sora
platform for video creation. And now they've launched Sora 2,
(19:46):
by the way, and then also through Google's VO.
And I believe Google's VO is on version 3.
But these tools, you know, with the proper prompting, they
create incredibly realistic, youknow, videos that quite frankly.
Now are being seated in a comedic sense, but man, this
(20:11):
could get super dangerous super fast because they practically
are getting to a point where if if again, if the content and the
script is done in a nefarious nature, it's pretty much
impossible to tell if it's real or if it's not real.
(20:31):
But here's an example of something that absolutely was
real back in 2024, and it was kind of the beginning of the end
for Biden. But listen to this.
Like, I swear, if this got put out today, everybody would think
it was artificial intelligence generated by Sora or what do you
call it, or VO. All right, so this is from the
(20:53):
Trump Biden debate, the one thatbasically, again, was the
beginning of the end for Biden, and he did terrible on it.
But listen to this exchange. Just won two club championships,
not even senior, two regular club championships.
To do that you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to
hit the ball a long way and I doit.
He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards.
He challenged me to a golf match.
(21:15):
He can't hit a ball 50. He's.
Happy to have a driving contest,Kareem.
I got my handicap, which when I was vice president down to a
six. And by the way, I told you
before, I'm happy to play golf. If you carry your own bag, think
you can do it? That's.
The biggest lie? He's a six handicap of all.
(21:35):
I was an 8 handicap, yeah, 8. But I have, you know, I mean.
I've seen you swing. I know you swing.
I mean, honestly, take a second,take a second and and
pontificate on the fact that that was an actual discussion in
(21:56):
front of the entire world and especially the American people
by the two men that have led theUnited States of America, the
leader of the free world for thefor the last nine years.
That was what they were talking about during that debate.
Oh my God, that's insane. All right, everybody, 22
(22:19):
minutes. I've got a bunch more, but since
this got out a little later, I will end it here.
Have a great weekend, get out, get some steps in, get some
exercise going. I really need to kind of refocus
on some of the health stuff and honestly just start cranking out
more episodes. I've I've definitely lagged a
little bit, but anyway, we'll get back on track.
(22:39):
I've got some more good guest interviews coming and that's
about it, man. That's about it.
Let me know any feedback. Let me know any questions.
Honestly, if you do want a good book, you can find deep shallow
dive into you on Amazon, on walmart.com.
And then you can also go to deepshallowdive.com and get it
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(23:03):
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