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October 16, 2025 74 mins

🎙️ EP#381 | GUEST | The Kirk Assassination, Freemasonry, and Controlled Opposition w/ Brandon Conceicao

In this explosive and unfiltered episode, Ray sits down with Brandon Conceicao—one of the boldest emerging voices on Instagram—to dissect the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the shadowy alliances controlling today's political narratives. From the power dynamics of Turning Point USA to the occult-coded language of U.S. politicians, Brandon lays out a theory-packed, deeply spiritual, and historically-informed breakdown of what's really going on behind the scenes.

The duo explore why Kirk’s sudden reversal on Israel may have led to his targeted killing, and unpack the immediate political ripple effects—from Marjorie Taylor Greene’s awakening to record numbers of U.S. lawmakers visiting Jerusalem. But this episode doesn’t stop at geopolitics. It dives headfirst into the spiritual war, ancient symbols, Freemasonic rituals, and the psyops used to manufacture allegiance and obedience.

Whether it's the symbolism in Trump’s speeches, the rise and fall of Nick Fuentes, or Candace Owens’ 18-day Zoom engagement to a British noble, this conversation touches every nerve. Ray and Brandon also look at the digital war—how TikTok’s algorithm purge, Larry Ellison’s influence, and censorship are shaping the battle for consciousness. This is a masterclass in decoding truth in the age of mass manipulation.

🔥 Top 7 Key Points
🧠 Charlie Kirk = Modern JFK?
👁️ Freemasonry & Hand Signals in Politics
🔄 Controlled Opposition: Tucker, Candace, & Nick
💣 Valhalla Theory: Is Charlie Really Dead?
📵 TikTok Censorship & Ellison’s Takeover
🌍 Greater Israel = Gateway to WW3
🧘 Spiritual Warfare, Ancient Teachings & India

🔑 Keywords & Themes
Charlie Kirk, assassination, Turning Point USA, Brandon Conceicao, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Israel, Palestine, controlled opposition, Freemasonry, Trump, George Farmer, spiritual warfare, mudras, Epstein, CIA, TikTok censorship, Larry Ellison, Oracle, IDF, WW3, Rothschild, Balfour Declaration, media control, guru, India awakening

Chapters & Timestamps
00:00 – Intro & Brandon’s Background
01:30 – Kirk Assassination = JFK Moment
04:50 – Marjorie Taylor Greene, Controlled Dissent
08:00 – Turning Point, Candace Owens & Freemason Ties
12:40 – “Master Builder” & Masonic Language
16:10 – Nick Fuentes: FBI Plant or Not?
22:30 – Valhalla Theory & The Smoking Lavalier
31:40 – Gaza, Greater Israel, & WW3 Setup
40:15 – Digital Enslavement via AI & Electric IDs
49:00 – TikTok Censorship, Larry Ellison, & IDF
54:00 – Who’s Left Telling the Truth?

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(00:00):
The following podcast is a deep,shallow dive production and
you're gonna love it. OK, let's go.
All right, this is, this is another one of these fun
interview episodes where it's going to be like an insightful

(00:23):
interview, but it's almost goingto be like me doing a solo
episode because this guy, Brandon, Brandon, you got to
pronounce your last name for me because I, you just told me 5
seconds ago and I already forgot, but Consei Sao.
OK, Brandon, Consei Sao. All right, you know what this
is? This is super cool because
there's a there's a few people on Instagram and you are one of

(00:46):
them. And I think I told you this in
our first conversation and you were, you were kind enough to
give me the compliment back where like when I'm watching
you, I'm like, Oh my God, I agree.
I agree, I agree, I agree. There's, there's really been
very little that you've kind of talked about that I haven't
agreed. And more importantly, I just
really appreciate the way you present material.

(01:07):
It's like it's it's militant. You're not trying to shove
things down people's throat, which I mean, I'm trying to kind
of be that same way. But anyway, welcome brother.
Let's have a, let's have a, let's have a Joe Rogan, Dave
Smith type conversation. I think we can beat.
I think we can beat those guys. Thank you so much for having me
on. Yeah, I think we can talk about
a little bit more than than whatJoe Rogan's a lot of allowed to

(01:30):
talk about. So yeah.
There you go. There you go.
All right, that's a good one. All right, let's start off with
Charlie Kirk. We've got to talk about this.
You know, I've talked a lot. I've I've aired a lot of Candace
Owens clips on the podcast. I've aired a lot of overall
things. I've aired a lot of Charlie from
the background, like like going back and really it goes back to

(01:54):
2023. I don't know if you saw when he
was on Patrick Bet David's podcast.
Yeah, talking about the border. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And talking about, you know, wasthere a stand down order?
Was there a stand down or six hours?
I don't believe it. I don't believe it took six
hours for the IDF to respond. And then from there dude was

(02:14):
silent. I mean, basically did a 180
U-turn because I think they put the screws to them until, you
know, the past several months where it, it has come out all
this information about Jewish donors pressing him and the
situation in the Hamptons and all this stuff.
And anyway, then he gets assassinated.

(02:36):
So where are you at on this? I mean, I follow along the lines
that everybody with common sensefalls along the lines.
This is our generations JFK without a doubt.
If you take a look at what happened with JFK, he was
probing into Israel's supposedlynon existent nuclear program and
he was probing into the Fed and stuff like that.

(02:59):
And they wanted to set an example.
They wanted to make it clear to any politician that if you are
going to go against us, if you're going to go against the
AIPAC lobby, if you're going to go against Israel, we will end
you quite literally the way theyended JFK, violently on camera
in public for a bunch of people to see.

(03:21):
And the message really isn't forthe Americans, it's for the
politicians. If you noticed a week after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, there was a record number of
attendance of U.S. politicians in Israel.
Over 250 US lawmakers in Israel less than a week after.
Is that a coincidence? No, that is called.

(03:42):
That's your tactics. That's right.
Was it? Was that, was that a bilateral
thing like Republicans and Democrats?
Oh wow. Bilateral, both sides, I believe
you can Fact Check me on that, but I believe it was both sides
of the party. There, I think you're right.
I think you're right. They took them over to
Jerusalem, I believe. And there was one big picture of

(04:03):
all of them with Netanyahu rightin the middle.
Yeah, that's that's pretty well,you know, I'd love.
To know how many people were actually on the fence about
going, whether they were going to go or not, and then decided
after the Charlie Kirk incidents, they were on that
plane no matter what, you know? Yeah, yeah.
Very true, very true. I'll tell you one person that
didn't go and man, she's been a wild card like our or someone I

(04:26):
did not have on my bingo card. Let's see if you can guess.
Marjorie Taylor Green, there yougo.
Dude, she's been a beast. She's been a beast and I would
have never expected her to be this way.
Now let me throw something at you because you know what's
interesting? And again, I don't know if, if

(04:46):
you're going, let me let me throw this at you.
So when the Marjorie Taylor Green started happening, when
she started really in many ways,it's kind of like Tucker Carlson
was doing where he wasn't directly or she wasn't directly
speaking against Trump. You know, she's not calling out
Trump. Tucker's not really calling out

(05:07):
Trump. Matt Gaetz is not really calling
out Trump. They're focusing it on, you
know, the state of Israel, the modern state of Israel, and then
Netanyahu. But then obviously, Trump is so
far in cahoots with those guys. It almost made me think, like,
I'm surprised Trump doesn't callMarjorie Taylor Green and say,

(05:29):
hey, you need to shut the hell up.
And then that makes me think, God, are they playing 4D chess
in the background? Like, Trump knows he can't do
it, so he's enabling his, you know, three of the people that
really helped him get where he is today.
He's enabling them. What do you think?

(05:50):
You think it's that nefarious? Potentially.
You know, you're, I think you'rehitting the nail on the head of
it's like that spider man meme. Have you ever seen this Spider
Man? I mean, it's like everybody's
pointing at every, nobody reallyknows right now who to trust.
And it's because there's been somuch mistrust in our government.
We don't know who to trust. Is Marjorie Taylor Green

(06:11):
controlled off? Is Candace controlled off?
Is Nick controlled off? All of these things we don't
know. But we have to focus on the
bigger picture, and that's disclosure.
What is coming out on a mass scale?
People are talking about aliens.People are talking about the
Epstein list. People are talking about, you
know, Charlie Kirk, all of thesethings.

(06:32):
And they're speaking out againstIsrael.
If you spoke out against Israel,if you told anybody about Israel
back in, not just Israel, I meanthe darker forces controlling
Israel, you talk about that backin 2019, you were nuts,
absolutely nuts. So to see politicians like
Marjorie Taylor Green speaking out, to see Thomas Massie
speaking out, to see Candace Owens doing this documentary, to

(06:56):
me, it's a part of the inevitable.
The internal teams in the dark, forces in power right now.
I call them the demons because at the top they are 100%
demonic, biblical, religious, however you want to look at it.
These people have been written about and they are straight up
demons and they know they're losing.

(07:19):
They know there's a higher powerthat is at play right now.
And so they're trying to hedge their bets and a lot of people
are flipping because they know they have no choice to tell the
truth. And whether Marjorie Taylor
Green was one of them. She probably was one of them at
some point. And now she is starting to tell
the truth because she knows what's inevitable.
She knows it 100%. Telling same situation.

(07:42):
She was one of them. If you just look at her history.
And I'm going to get a lot of heat for that, for saying that
because a lot of people are a part of the Candace cult.
And you know what, I am a littlebit too.
I agree with what she's saying right now around Charlie Kirk.
I think we should be looking into it.
But that doesn't change the factthat her and Charlie were most
likely a part of the cult beforethey started to change their

(08:03):
tune. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you religious? I don't even know.
I don't follow any specific religion but I have Jesus in my
heart 24/7. Jesus is in my heart and I think
that Jesus wasn't the only I'm God incarnated on this planet.
So I look at Krishna the same way I look at Jesus the same way

(08:23):
I look at Buddha. You know, I think these are all
enlightened beings that are God Incarnate that are on this
planet. OK, that's it.
That's very interesting. OK, let's talk about, you know,
the Charlie Candace thing from 20/17/2018 when really they
launched Turning Point USA together.
You know, I will tell you I've seen some interesting pictures

(08:46):
of the two of them where you know their hands are.
Yeah, the famous one. The famous, the famous hands in
the triangle thing, which I think is kind of, you know, a
symbol for the Illuminati or maybe maybe Freemason or things
like that. There's another interview of
Charlie Kirk where somebody asksthem and maybe I'll plug it into

(09:07):
this podcast. What do you think about the
Freemasons? I've seen a lot of conspiracies,
a lot of strong opinions about it, honestly.
Yeah. Like, I mean, they could, it
could be, right? I've known some people that have
been Masons that have just been like regular everyday people.
But I'm I'm open. Before they asked him about
Freemasons and man, his voice goes like 6 octaves higher and

(09:28):
so you can tell he was kind of nervous about that question.
Do you know anything about? That stuff.
So I haven't seen that video that you're talking about, but
if you look at the connection surrounding Charlie Kirk, if you
look at all the people he was tied in with, for example, when
Turning Point UK launched, it was held at a place owned by a

(09:50):
known Freemason and it's it's automatically a connection right
there. George Farmer comes from
nobility, not royalty, nobility.That's Candace Owens's husband,
George. Farmer Candace Owens husband and
he was the one. Who?
Had launched TTUK. So he did, he did.
He helped. Yeah, he was, he was, I think he

(10:11):
was like the chairman or something at the launch of TP
UK. And again, it was hosted at this
lodge that was widely known by owned by a Freemason.
Freemason and. We have Trump going on air
calling Charlie Kirk a master builder, which is directly
related to a foreign Mason terminology.
We have all the hand signs, which I don't think the hand

(10:33):
signs are inherently evil. They're powerful tools that
these people use that go back way into ancient history and
they've hijacked them for themselves.
But yeah, there's. So many hand signs.
I think the hand signs, yeah, I don't whether they're evil or
not, but I think they're exactlythat they're signs that they put
out into the marketplace basically to let maybe a certain

(10:57):
people know that hey, everythingis moving according to plants.
Heck, Eric, Eric Trump, at Trump's inauguration, he flashed
it. And then at Charlie's WWF summer
Slam memorial event, when Trump and Elon were sitting together,
I don't know if you saw that they both flashed it.

(11:18):
And, and like when they were sitting having their
conversation, the media, the image most mainstream media ran
was the four seconds of them having their hands in an upside
down triangle. So again, to me, I'm like, it's
almost like they're, I don't want to say they're taunting

(11:39):
humanity, but they're being a little obvious about it to see
if people pick up on the clues. Or maybe they are so powerful
they don't even care if you pickup on their clues.
They're kind of rubbing your face in it.
It's, well, it's an energy grab.These are called mudras.
Whenever you use stuff like this, they're called mudras.
And there's. Mudras OK.

(11:59):
Yeah, it goes way back into ancient India and ancient texts.
But they're energy grabs. So when they do that in front of
a mass audience, it's to grab energy.
They know what they're doing. These people know the occult
through and through. They know it through and
through. They study the Kabbalah, they
study all of these things and they know how to suck energy.

(12:20):
That's what makes the masters. They're masters.
The people at the top, the demons I talk about, they're
masters of sucking energy. That's why they do these, these
hand signs and they know how to grab people's attention.
Let's just say. I got you.
OK. OK, that's interesting.
You know, I think you're right. Like even even certain terms,
like I wish I could run an AI search of all of Trump's

(12:43):
speeches prior to maybe the pastmonth, I've never heard the guy
use the term master Builder. And I remember when I heard
that, I was like, dude, that's aweird, that's a weird
description. And then I looked up what Master
builder is and you're absolutelyright.
It is a terminology of that Freemason world.
Let me say something interestingabout Candace because, you know,

(13:06):
I really have liked Candace. And for people that have
listened to this podcast, they know that her and Tucker have
kind of been my number, my number one resources for things.
But then two weird things. You touched on the 1.
So this guy, she's married to George Farmer, you know,
supposedly, and I'm pretty sure this is true, they met on a Zoom

(13:28):
call and then they got married less than maybe two weeks or
less than a month later. So I'll give you a little more
details to that. So they met at AI think it was a
TPUSA event or a TPUK event, right?
And they had it was at some event, they met and then I think
they spent the week together andthen over the course of 18 days,

(13:52):
I believe through Zoom calls, they got engaged.
He he proposed to her over Zoom,over a Zoom meeting.
It was 18 days within 18 days. OK.
So it was 18 days. OK, 18.
Days, yes. If it was 33 days then I know.
I'm sure you could math it out somehow, you know, people with
their numbers. Yeah, exactly.

(14:14):
But, but, but listen, that's weird.
That's just weird. That's just weird.
I had so many people coming after me and my DMS about that,
like pointing the fact out because I had a YouTube video
that got like, I don't know, 30 something 1000 views.
And I called out Candace for that fact.
And I had DMS coming in from theCandace cult, which nobody

(14:35):
should be above, you know, investigation.
I agree with her on so many things, but that doesn't mean
I'm going to turn a blind eye toeverything.
And that information to me is essential to know because her
husband's nobility, they're, they're worth hundreds of
millions of dollars. That family, they have direct
ties to the royalty in, in the UK.
So it's like you can't overlook the fact that these are not

(14:59):
normal human beings we're dealing with.
She didn't just come to influence out of the blue.
These people are raised into these positions and they're
trained on how to be in these positions.
But that being said, I think they're starting to tell the
truth again, because I feel likethey know internally within
their secret societies that it'sevil and evil's not going to win

(15:22):
this war. Good's going to win this war.
It's not going to work out. So they're coming out and
they're telling the truth, whichI appreciate.
I think that's good. No, I totally do too.
The other thing about Candace that again, it just caused me to
like be like, OK, wait a minute,I need to, I need to be aware of
everybody was, you know, maybe 40-5 days ago or two months ago

(15:43):
when all of the sudden out of the blue, her and Tucker Carlson
attacked Nick Fuentes. And I found that weird.
I was like, first of all, I watched the interview of Candace
and Nick, which I was incrediblyexcited for.
I was like, wow, OK, this is going to be a really nuanced
discussion that I feel like I feel like everyone's going to

(16:03):
get a lot out of. And it was awful.
It was it was her attacking him and quite frankly, him really
putting her in her place. You know, she she came off
incredibly basic in that interview.
And then she went on Tucker and the two of them came off basic.
So I remember, I remember comingout of that being like, Oh my
God, the two people that I thought could kind of do no

(16:26):
wrong. Wow, this was terrible.
So let's talk about Nick. What are what are your thoughts
on this kid? I mean, Nick has been around for
a long time, let's just say this, but his rise to popularity
came from his coverage of the Israel Palestine conflict and
his take on it. He was giving, or he is probably

(16:48):
still giving. I stopped listening, but he was
giving some of the best insightsinto what was actually happening
with the most realistic reasoning behind why it was
probably happening. And he such a well studied, well
spoken individual. This kid has done his research
right. Mortally has.
So deep, so well spoken. He can speak for three hours

(17:11):
straight. It seems like he never takes a
breath and he knows exactly whathe's talking about all three
hours. So extremely well researched
kid, which is why a lot of people turn to his podcast
because of his take on what was happening with Iran.
Why is the US getting involved with Iran?
Why are we bombing Iran? We just got out of this whole
conflict with the Iraq and Afghanistan, and now we're going

(17:33):
for Iran. It's the same thing that's
happening over and over again. And he's pointing out exactly
what's happening now. I did start to feel when I was
listening to him that over this period of time, before the whole
Candace Owens thing, because this happened really quick.
I think it was from March to July that this all went down, or
maybe even May, I don't know. And so he gets really into the

(17:55):
politics of things. And I'm surprised that he, for
such an intelligent kid, he'll be like, oh, well, the left, the
right type of thing kind of plays into that a little bit.
And he gets a little bit too detailed sometimes where it's
like, OK, you do understand thatthere is a one, there's one
entity ruling the world right now in the shadows.
And we all know this. Anybody that knows anything

(18:17):
knows this. But he'll play up both sides,
he'll play up the left and the right.
And I'm like, this rhetoric kindof doesn't make sense for a kid
that is so well researched. That is.
So intelligent that is so cerebral he uses his brain like
like he's an AI bot sometimes and I'm like, you should be able

(18:37):
to draw the same conclusions that me a normal human being
who's not mega intelligent like you can draw the conclusion.
OK, it's not, it's not a secret anymore.
We know this and so. That makes you question him a
little too, the way I questionedCandace because of attacking him
or 18 days of zoom calls. Getting married.

(19:02):
Then we get to July and I'm following every, I think
everybody at this point that's really into the space that we're
in is following Nick, Candace and Tucker, right.
And then the whole through the podcast with Nick, you hit
between Candace and Nick, you hit the nail on the head.
Everybody really felt that way, like, are you kidding me?
We have this whole Iran conflictgoing on right now.
We are coming to you to get yourtake on this.

(19:25):
We want you guys to expose Israel and here you guys are
having this little bickering match.
Yeah, you got to be kidding me. This is a joke and so completely
disappointed. I remember listening to it with
my girlfriend and she loved it because it's drama.
It's it's, it had nothing to do with anything good.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah. It was.

(19:46):
And so it was just a bickering match.
And I agree with your take on it.
Candace Owens, blah, blah, blah.She she talked to 0 off.
He put her in her place. And then the whole Tucker
Carlson, Candace situation, thenI'm questioning.
I'm like, all right, Tucker's definitely CIA because Nick
comes out with this amazing piece, right?
Yeah. He does this deep dive into the
funding behind Tucker Carlson. Yeah.

(20:07):
He has all this information and.All of a sudden I'm like, all
right, Candace and Tucker or CIA, but I still don't trust
Nick. I still don't trust him because
I'm like, there's too much for him to not cover.
Like he won't go anywhere near the religious stuff.
He's a devout Catholic, right? The same way Candace Owens is a

(20:28):
devout Catholic. Anybody that's done any research
into the Catholic Church should know that it's run by the same
people that run everything else.That is super interesting and
you are absolutely right. So it would be different if they
were Christian. If they said hey, I'm a

(20:51):
Christian, then I think it makesa lot more sense when you say.
Roman Catholic. That doesn't make sense.
I'm not a religious person, but man, I've learned so much about
all of this. And what I I know for a fact is
the Catholic Church, the Vatican, the Pope, all that

(21:13):
stuff, There's a million holes you can poke in all of that.
You know, how can you not come down on Roman Catholic priests
who molest young boys? Like, how is that even in the
realm of being OK? So, you know, that's a good

(21:33):
point on Nick. I had, I had another buddy, he's
pretty well connected. He hit me with something last
week and he said, hey, I think Nick, Candace and Tucker might
be in on all this together. And they might have staged that
little argument between, you know, two of them on this side,

(21:54):
one on the other. I've been trying to figure out
what the, the, the benefit of that would be.
But you know, that's another thing.
I it's plausible, man. I mean, yeah, it's plausible.
You're gonna have to. You have to.
That's the thing. We're in such a time where we
have to explore all. Yeah, because we've been lied to
so much, you know? So to me, it doesn't.

(22:14):
I realized I'm like, OK, they'reprobably Tucker's, probably CIA
Candace, probably CIA Nick, seemingly more and more FBI
informant. I mean, the evidence is there.
Yeah. And I'm still going to listen to
what they have to say and take the truth out because I've been
extract, we've been extracting truth for, for so long now.

(22:34):
That's what we're trained to do is extract the truth and cut the
fluff. And you know what?
These people, we're getting to apoint where they're going to
start to have to openly tell everything.
Everything's going to come out. The Epstein files will have to
come out, everything, full disclosures coming whether they
like it or not. Again, there's higher powers at

(22:55):
play in this, so maybe they're throwing in more truths than
they usually do, but that doesn't mean they're not doing
their own, you know, drama behind the scenes.
So maybe they did set that up, who knows.
Yeah, who knows? Who knows?
Let me ask you this on the Charlie Kirk thing.
Man, the discussions about this are so all over the place
online. You know, there are some people

(23:17):
that think he didn't even get really shot.
There's like a whole group that thinks it was a very expensive
hologram and he's not really dead and all that.
I guess. I mean, I can give you my
thoughts on that. Or why don't you give me your
thoughts first? You know, I personally, I think
he was killed. I personally believe it just

(23:39):
because of the video I saw. And I don't know if you remember
the day of. Either way, they were able to
evoke an emotion out of me and out of a lot of Americans that
was tragic. I will say I could not, I did
not expect myself. I've seen some heinous stuff on
the Internet. I've researched heinous stuff,

(23:59):
but that hit me differently thatday.
And I felt shocked throughout mywhole body just watching that.
So for that reason, I think it was real.
I think it happened, yeah. But either way, the awakening
that's happened as a result of it is more important than the
event itself. Maybe it was faked.
It he could still be alive. And you know the conspiracy

(24:20):
theories. Valhalla, that island, right?
Yeah. You know, I, I personally don't
know the answer to that, but allI care about is the awakening
that's happening as a result. I love people questioning the
government. I love people questioning the
narrative. And I think we need to think
critically more and that's happened as a result.
I don't even really know the Valhalla thing.

(24:41):
The only thing I knew that is that's what Cash Patel said to
Charlie. Oh.
Yeah, I'll see you in Valhalla. And so somebody did some
research, found some islands somewhere that's connected to
the US government somehow. And by near this island there's
a place called Valhalla. So it's almost like a like a
probably like a witness protection program type of

(25:01):
island or whatever. So he's saying that he's,
they're saying that he's still alive there.
And you know what? We really don't know 100,000%
we. Don't sure, sure.
So I'm, I'm open to all theories.
My cousin, she's been sending mea bunch of videos on this stuff
and I'm like, you know what? It could be true, you know?
I have one very close friend andhe just swears by the fact that

(25:24):
Charlie's alive still. I don't think he is at all.
I think they absolutely took himout similar to you.
And what I tell him is I say, listen, you know, love Charlie
Kirk or hated Charlie Kirk. He also was a generational
talent when it came to having these debates, having these

(25:44):
discussions. Honestly, he really was.
The guy was excellent. I mean, besides Nick Fuentes, I
think Charlie's the second most talented kind of youth debater.
You know, Ben Shapiro's pretty good as well.
There's a couple other but, but Charlie was excellent.
He was very talented. And so I don't think they would

(26:04):
have taken him out because they lost a real leader.
You know, he was a real leader of that Generation Z
conservative Christian movement.And that's what Turning Point
USA was. You know, Turning Point USA is
by far the number one Christian conservative youth Gen.

(26:27):
Z movement that basically is creating, you know, the next
generation of Christian Republicans, evangelical
Christian Republicans. So I don't think they would take
him off the chess board because he was too good unless he was
shifting his allegiance and shifting his alliances.

(26:47):
And you know, I think that is ifyou really pieced together from
the Patrick Bet David interview,which was October 12th, 2023, a
week after October 7th, to the text messages that Candace
released, you know, a few last week, it's pretty clear he had

(27:08):
shifted his alliances. You know, he even said, I think
in that text message he's like, I can't be part of the pro
Israel. Movement.
Yeah. No, he, he had completely.
He had Yeah. It's so funny because Nick was
such a denier of that, too. Again, red flag.
He denied the whole thing. He said we can't just.
This is the guy that's famous for saying it's the Jewish

(27:30):
people, it's the Jewish people, it's the Jewish people.
And then all of a sudden somebody who's changing their
tune, which he claims he was never changing his tune.
Thank thank God the text came out to prove it right because we
all knew it. We.
We had plenty of video evidence to see it, but even more so, the
texts were great. And he still double s down on

(27:50):
his stance. Have you?
Did you see some of the reply tweets to Candace?
Yes, I did. I did.
They were like. Come on.
Come on dude. Wake up, we.
Know what's going on? Yeah, he was so off in that.
But I will say what I what I love about the Internet is the
Internet gives 0 fucks. Like they called him out like
even even people that were his super fans are like what's going

(28:13):
on with you? Has your account been hacked?
Like what? Is this did you see his insults
towards his own following? He should just like you.
Low IQ. Idiots.
I read pilled you. I read pilled you.
It's like, dude, get out of here.
You're not the only person telling the truth on the
Internet. Let's be real, like.
You want to know something crazy?

(28:34):
He took a page out of Guess who's playbook on that?
Let's see. I think you can just.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
And by the way, this is hilarious.
It was Nick a month ago who saidthe same thing about Trump.
He's like, now Trump is telling us to like, you know, we're
idiots if we believe the Democratic hoax of the Epstein

(28:56):
files. That's funny, man.
Do you know the details behind how that whole, how Candace
Owens accused him of being an FBI informant?
What happened, the Jan 6 situation?
So he essentially told he was, he did a breakdown on his rumble
about where he was stationed, Why he what he did the whole
breakdown about why he wasn't anFBI informant.

(29:18):
Yeah. And in one of his videos, he
explained how we received an anonymous or donation through
his crypto wallet or something. And it was some guy who was, I
think it was a French guy, like,who was terminally ill and
wanted to give away some money to some right wing conservative,
you know, talking heads, if you will.

(29:38):
Right. Yeah.
And this is all around the time Jan 6 happened, right before Jan
6, I think. And then we have old ladies
getting arrested for being near the Capitol.
Meanwhile, Nick is on video saying storm the Capitol, and
he's not arrested for that. He doesn't have any court dates
or anything like that. But the FBI wants to talk to
him, right. And then the FBI wants to talk

(29:59):
to him. And they ask him about the money
that came through his account. And they did a whole
investigation on to how the money got into there.
And I think six months later, he, his name was cleared.
So an anonymous donation comes in from a terminally ill person
that we can't confirm it with. Yeah.
And it's to the tune of 250,000 plus dollars.

(30:20):
And six months later, he's already had all these meetings
with the FBI. It's so suspicious.
I mean, that's how it would happen.
If you were going to paint someone off, you were going to.
You're going to come up with a great story as to how that money
got to you. Yeah.
And the money trail goes dead. Quite literally.
It goes dead. So it's like, this is just too

(30:41):
much, you know? That is that is too much on the
Charlie Kirk thing just to kind of bring that to a close.
And I'm going to let you talk about anything else you want to
talk about. You know, the things that just
don't make sense to me are, you know, why did the university
repave that section where he wasshot the next day?
It was either the next day or two days later or three days

(31:02):
later. All of the sudden they're
completely repaving all that. Then I've put out a couple
videos where there are clearly 4KSLR incredible cameras pointed
right at Charlie. Where's that footage?
Where's the footage that would clearly show exactly what hit

(31:23):
him? You could probably see the
follicles of hair on his neck. Those cameras looked, you know,
so high definition. Then there's the stuff with that
lavalier mic he was wearing. He had that lavalier mic on his,
his right. Yeah, his right shoulder.
And then if you remember back inNovember of last year in
Lebanon, 3000, pagers exploded in people's hands.

(31:49):
So the technology's there, the ability is there, the and if you
look. At the slow MO video, there's a
cloud of smoke. Yeah.
Around that lavalier mic and I think that's the most likely
culprit. I think that's the most.
Yeah, I think so. I.
Did too. I did too.
Just. From what we have, the

(32:09):
information we've had and all the hand off stuff and the
timing with the security guard, you know, pulling his sleeve and
the countdown and everything, itjust, it just seems like that is
the most likely outcome. If more evidence comes to light
that we don't have access to, you know, I'd gladly reconsider
my position. But we're having to piece this
together ourselves. This is not an FBI coming out

(32:31):
and telling us what's happening.It's the common man doing all
the research. And I love it.
It really is. But really, you know.
Yeah, it really is the common man doing all the research.
But here's the funny part that that I think when I think about
that, I'm like, OK, if if the real FBI and whoever else can't
solve this, how on earth are we ever going to defend ourselves

(32:56):
against China, Russia, Iran and North Korea if the four of them
decide to partner up one day andattack the United States?
You can't point out that hypocrisy, though.
I know point. That out because that that just
puts everything into perspectiveand then all of a sudden it
makes you realize none of it's real so.
Exactly, exactly. You know, you were saying

(33:16):
earlier and, and, and it's it's funny, I had a discussion with a
friend of mine the other day, like she, she keeps on talking
about the left, the left, the left.
And I told her I'm going to mention her name because I don't
think she's listening. I said, Carla, I said, the fact
that you keep focusing on the left shows me how clueless you
are. Like we're way beyond that, You

(33:39):
know, left versus right. That's like circa 2020.
You know, that's 2020 politics. We have now progressed much
further than that. And any of these conservative or
even liberal talking heads that are focusing on the left versus
the right, I'm like, you guys are so clueless.

(34:01):
You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're missing the game.
You're missing the game. They tried to spin post Charlie
Kirk. It was the crazy left.
That's what they said, the crazyleft.
Yeah, the Nick Fuentes came out and said it's like, OK, come on
now. Like, yeah, like, this is how we
know you guys are all bought andpaid for this.
This is the same narrative Netanyahu had.

(34:21):
It's the same talking point, youknow, It's like.
OK, when Nick and Netanyahu's talking points are the same,
Because that's how you know they're all together on this,
that's. Pretty wild it.
Oh, when I heard it, cuz Nick onhis podcast, he's like all of
these Republicans, they get thissheet, they're paid to make
these posts and they had the same talking points.

(34:42):
And it's like, oh wow, looks like you got your sheet, Nick,
because you have the same talking point as Trump and
Netanyahu, two people you supposedly speak out against and
oppose. Well, I think we we know where
you where you lie now. So.
All right, that is interesting. OK, let's talk a little bit
about, I mean Gaza and all that,like what do you think is going

(35:05):
to happen? I mean, I personally do not
think this ceasefire is anything.
I think it's a temporary distraction toward getting ready
for whatever next phase they want to do.
But what are your? Thoughts.
I did. I did a deep, deep dive into the
history of Palestine and Israel and funding of it all.

(35:26):
And I'm I'm making a YouTube video on it right now and it has
been, it's been a couple weeks of research and I'm blown away
by how much we have not been taught in school.
And this all starts back. Can can you guess the century
that starts in 1700s? Wow, OK I was going to guess

(35:48):
maybe I always take it back to the Balfour declaration in 1917,
but I'm sure it started even waybefore that.
And you know what, 1700 is just that where I'm tracing it back
to, it obviously goes back 3000 years to the biblical prophecy,
you know, so, So what I'm sayingis it starts with a certain

(36:08):
banking family. I don't know if we're allowed to
say their names, but yeah. It's, it's not Destiny's Child
and it's not an IRA, Roth, A Roth IRA.
So, so take, take, take it, takea Roth IRA and combine it with
Destiny's Child. There you go.

(36:29):
So essentially in the 1700s, oneof these, you know, people is
born. They set up the banking in
Europe, they set up them and their kids set it all up, the
banking in Europe. They take control of Britain.
They take control of Britain by loaning money to Britain.
Britain then gets control of Palestine as a British mandatory

(36:51):
option. Meanwhile, these bankers are
buying up land in Palestine. The Ottoman Empire fires and
crumbles essentially. And these bankers are buying
land there. They're setting up their own
settlements. They're they're creating
infrastructure essentially. And meanwhile there's
Palestinians, Arabs living thereand they're kicking them out of
their lands because at the time the Ottoman Empires kind of in

(37:14):
crumbles, people are selling their land and the tenant
farmers there are Arabs and they're getting kicked off and
they're getting pushed out. And so then you get the Balfour
Declaration comes from a Brit, right?
He's a Brit Secretary of what? Is he Secretary of State?
Something like that. Yeah.
Writes the letter directly to the Rothschild family.
I will say it now because guess what?

(37:36):
That's historical evidence rightthere.
Yeah. He writes it to them, saying,
listen, we want to offer you this land.
Why would you offer them that land?
Well, that's right. You're in extreme amounts of
debt to this family. You owe them tons of money, and
guess how you're going to repay them?
With land. Land that's not even really
yours. Right, right.

(37:57):
Exactly. That's a case.
What? That's land, That's not.
Even the Arabs, the Palestiniansat the time, 93% of the
population in that area never consulted once.
They weren't asked, you know, isthis what we're going to do?
Is this OK? No, they, the, the Britain, the
British government feels the need to give them the land.
They get the land. And obviously it wasn't the

(38:17):
British government's idea. It was a certain family's idea.
It was a Zionist family's idea. It was a plan for Greater
Israel. And we all know what greater
Israel's here for. And if we don't know, they want
to bring about World War Three. That has been their plan all
along. They want turmoil, they want
chaos, they want fighting, they want nuclear war.

(38:40):
That's what they why do. You think they want that?
Why do you think they want that?They want that for control.
Anytime you see anything tragic happen in humanity, like on a,
on a, on a scale, on a massive scale, freedoms are lost as a
result because the name of safety, right, Your freedoms are
lost. So.
If you go back and you research anybody like Bill Cooper or

(39:04):
yeah, maybe even Jordan Maxwell talked on this, But they'll
explain to you that Greater Israel is their plan for
bringing about World War Three, a massive global war that ends
in nuclear war. And then as a result that it's
going to be the things. Their image is that everything's
going to be so chaotic, so, so devastating that people will be

(39:26):
like, please, no more. And then?
No more. Their one world government.
OK, OK, one. World, whatever.
I don't want to say the the fullterm there because maybe YouTube
will ban it, but they're going to form their version of a one
world government and then everybody's going to be like,
yes, you know, for the name of safety.

(39:47):
We in the name of safety, there's been so much
devastation. Please, like let's all come
together. And then guess what?
That's when Palantir goes into hyperdrive.
You have a digital ID, your car's electric, your finances
are electric, everything is on the grid, right?
And you are essentially a bot. You're a bot.

(40:11):
A bot. At this point, you, you're, you,
you speed over the limit, your car alerts your bank account
automatically deducted from the you know, you get a ticket and
it comes out of your bank account immediately, right?
Yeah. Or you're not allowed to drive.
Or let's say you haven't paid your taxes.
They're like, oh, well, we're evicting you or you're not
allowed this. And they they want us all eating

(40:31):
bugs. Yeah.
That's a grim picture, right? That's super.
Grim, that's really dark. A lot of people get sad over
stuff like this. You have to realize that's never
going to happen. And the reason why is because
the conversations you and I are having right now, Ray,
conversations that you and I arehaving, so many people are

(40:53):
having now. They're aware they're awake.
The Great Awakening is so much bigger than the Great Reset.
They have. They have planned it's not going
to work. They played their hand,
overplayed their hand to the point where humanity woke up.
I think they did overplay their hand because it's so funny.
Like, I've been posting regularly and I wouldn't say I'm

(41:17):
in the hardcore side of the posting.
I'm more in the common sense side of posting.
But you know, it's like every single night or day that I post
a different random friend that Iprobably haven't heard from in
five years, 10 years, 20 years, whatever.
I didn't even know. They look at my stuff.

(41:39):
I'm not kidding. Every single day I'll get a new
person, be like, dude, I totallyget this.
I love watching your post, blah blah blah blah.
And then I'm like, Oh my God, I didn't even know we were friends
on Facebook or Instagram. This is hilarious that after
four years of me posting, you finally decided what I posted

(42:00):
last night gave you the courage to send me a reply.
And it really goes back to to CV19.
I mean, it goes back to COVID, you know, that was that was my,
I guess my awakening, but it waswhen I really started paying
attention and I started looking at things kind of through a
different lens. What about you?
Like when did you start to it? Really just ask questions.

(42:23):
Yeah, probably. I mean I asked questions from a
young age. My dad used to explain to me
financial systems, but when I really started to wake up was
probably like 20-18 ish when I started realizing the food, how
they were poisoning the food. I was reading books, researching
food and I'm like, wow, they're poisoning our food.

(42:44):
And I'm like, why would they want to poison our food?
Why, Why would they want to makeus sick?
And then I started researching the pharma industry and I
restarted research, researching,you know, vaccines and all this
stuff. And I'm like, holy crap.
I remember I was, I was in my early 20s.
I was really, I was pretty youngat the time.
And I remember sitting down at the dinner table with my family

(43:05):
and like cry, pleading to them to like wake up and realize
they're poisoning us like they're, they're trying to kill
us. Like, and you know, at the time,
my emotions were way above my reason because I was the only
one talking about it. I had no one to express this to,
for them to be like, no, it's going to be OK, don't worry
about it. Like I thought it was the end.

(43:26):
I'm like, this is crazy. They're poisoning our food,
they're poisoning our water. And then they're giving us
medications and they're profiting off of it.
And they, I was at a loss. And then I become super
spiritual, start doing meditations.
I end up in India. And there I find my guru.
And when I say guru, I, I, he islike the person that red pilled

(43:47):
me the hardest really. And that is when I learned all
about how they form these wars. Who's really in charge?
The power structures. Was it?
Was it an Indian guy? Yeah, Indian guy, this was in
2019. I went to India right right
before COVID. Yeah, and, and he's like, don't
worry, The world's about to wakeup.

(44:08):
And then two or three months later, after he's red Pilling me
every single day, he's telling me something new.
And my incomplete paradigm of the world is shifting day by
day. And it's almost like cognitive
overload. I am just, I feel comatose
certain days because of how muchI'm learning and how evil these
people really are. And I think 2020 people learned

(44:31):
a lot about the dark, dark stuffthat happened.
And he showed me some of that. And all you feel is anger.
You just feel pure rage towards these leaders, which is why I
call them demons. Yeah.
You know, so this happens in 2019.
And then I see what happens during 2020 COVID.
They're saying, oh, you're goingto die if you don't get a jab

(44:53):
and whatnot. Right.
Yeah. And I'm in India, one of the
most populate, densely populatedcountries in the in the entire
world. I stayed there throughout COVID.
I didn't care. I didn't care at all.
Yeah. I went to Mumbai during this
period. And there's If you think you've
seen a lot of people in a small place, you have to go to India.
And then if you think you've seen a lot of people in a small

(45:14):
place, you have to go to Mumbai.OK, Wow, You have never seen so
many people in such a small area.
What? Was Mumbai like during COVID?
Was everyone massed up? Were they freaking out like.
Yeah, immediately we're we're ina bus into Mumbai and this
wasn't, I don't know if this wasduring this, probably during the
peak. I'm wearing a, I'm, I'm wearing

(45:34):
a bus going into Mumbai and, andI think, yeah, the police pull
us, pull the bus over because I'm leaning against the window.
Like it's like a sleeper bus almost.
I'm leaning against the window, no mask on.
The police pull this, you know, bus over and they start pointing
at me through the window. I'm like, I don't know what's
going on. I'm in a foreign country.
I can't speak the language. I don't know.

(45:56):
They come onto the bus, they start yelling at me like your
mask, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, whoops.
So immediately I had to pay some, some fine.
Thank God I was with my Indian friends.
Otherwise I would have had no idea what they were talking
about. Really.
So yeah, it was strict. I mean, they, they had a lot of
strict. I mean, I also lived in a
village in India during a portion of it and nobody cared.

(46:18):
Absolutely nobody had ATV or most people didn't have TV's.
So they went about their day-to-day life farming like
they normally would. It didn't make a difference.
I didn't see anyone dying in thevillage.
The only person that died in thevillage was someone who got the
thing. So really that's the only person
that I heard about in the village.
That's the only person so. Wow so so you were in a village

(46:41):
in India during COVID, What wereyou doing?
Like were you, were you like training to be a guru or
something going? Studying, studying the world
studying. I was so my guru actually had a
media station. I was doing news over there.
Like I was covering things and Iwas just learning.
I wanted to, I was, I've always been super curious as a person.

(47:02):
So I wanted to know what was happening in the world.
You know what? No, what actually was happening
in the world, not what they tellus on the media, not what we're
programmed to believe. I always knew there was
something bigger. And when I went there, I learned
there's a lot more to our history, not just in the United
States, not just in the terms ofcurrent events.

(47:23):
This goes back so long before what anyone will let you or what
what they'll ever admit in current terms, they won't.
They won't tell you how far backthis goes.
There's a huge history to this planet that has been kept
secret. But it's all going to come out.
It's all coming out. Wow.
OK, interesting. Do you still keep in contact
with this guru? Like, is he?

(47:44):
Absolutely. 100% yeah. How?
Old is this? How old is this guy?
He's in his 30s, He's in his. Wow, he's.
OK, in his 30s. Oh, yeah, no.
Super impressive individual. Very, very, very impressive.
His knowledge goes so deep, which is why I stayed for the
two years. So I'm like, I need to.
I stayed there for two years. You.
Stayed there two years 2. Week planned trip, I was looking

(48:04):
for software developers for our social app that we were trying
to build at the time. OK.
And then I I was so impressed bywhat he had to say and I was
just so drawn to him I'm like Yep, 2 years it is because
something happened. What was I going to do in the
United States? You know, yeah.
Yeah. Be depressed.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I did.
Yeah. OK, Speaking of software apps,

(48:27):
let's talk about TikTok. And I know that's something I
think you've posted on that. Like, you know, with what's
going on now, you know, Larry Ellison is part of the
acquisition team. I mean, I already feel like that
algorithm is changing and it's starting to filter away content
that they don't want people to see because quite frankly,

(48:51):
especially when it comes to Gazaand really many other topics.
I mean, that is where Pandora's box has been opened.
I mean, TikTok is insane at the amount of knowledge you can get
on there. In addition to like the, you
know, some people think it's just all the stupid dances and

(49:11):
like the dumb funny stuff. It does have a lot of that and a
lot of it is actually hilarious.But like there also is, I mean,
when I go to research something and if I need like, oh, I, I
need that clip of Charlie Kirk saying this on Patrick Bet,
David used to go to YouTube to find it.
Now I go directly to TikTok. 9 times out of 10, there's 50

(49:36):
versions of it. And then in one of those
versions I can press a button and I can download that file to
my phone and then I upload it and use it in my podcast.
It's incredible, but I think it's going to change.
I think it. Already has.
So I actually never had access to it because I was in India
during when it launched and theyit got immediately banned for

(49:57):
security reasons, conflict between India and China.
So I couldn't even use it in India when I came to the USI
hadn't been using it so it didn't really matter.
But I heard it was like the place you go to get red pilled.
I had a lot of people reaching out to me saying how they
learned about, you know, the dark, dark stuff that happens
with these leaders and what theydo in the shadows through

(50:17):
TikTok. I'm like, wow, that's, that's
really great. And so I had always had in my
mind, you know, I already, I always knew that no matter what
platform it is there, it's goingto be controlled by somebody.
And so comes to light that once,once Larry Ellison and Oracle
take charge, the algorithm shifts.

(50:37):
And I got banned on TikTok probably 4 weeks ago, 5 weeks
ago now. And that's the only reason I
started uploading to Instagram was because my TikTok got
banned. I was so casual.
I'd pick up my phone, give my take on something.
It was great, fantastic. Get get hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of views. Really.
Yeah. Oh, 100.
So the week I got banned was the, my most viewed week.

(51:00):
I got millions of views that week.
And it was around Charlie Kirk. It was around all of that stuff
that was happening and so I got banned.
I got 5000 followers and banned.Then I was banned.
Like banned as in they deleted it?
You got permanently deleted. So they gave me a few warnings
on a few posts and I thought I was good.

(51:21):
I'm like, all right, fine, you know, just don't violate it
again. And I had an upload.
Nothing that I uploaded towards the end was getting like, I, I
mean, nothing that I uploaded the day before I was banned got
flagged. There was no new flags.
I knew what was happening. There was no new flags, but I
knew that the algorithm was about to shift because they
announced how the power structures going to were going

(51:42):
to change. And I'm like, it's over for me.
I don't stand a chance on this platform given what I speak
about. And I speak out against, not
against Jewish people. I speak out against Israel, and
not even just Israel. I speak out against the people
controlling Israel and how they're using Israel to do their
evil stuff. I have no problem with Israelis

(52:04):
that don't support genocide. I have no problem with them.
I have no problem with Jewish people, you know.
I have no problem with anyone really, as long as they can
understand that genocide is not OK and that you're not trying to
control the way I live, you know?
Right? Right.
Right. All of that I have no problem
with. But algorithm shifts.
I get banned I create a new account and then two days later

(52:28):
I've uploaded again and maybe uploaded 2 videos to this new
account no flags perma band again just wow yeah so I had no
chance I stood no chance. So I started uploading to
Instagram I think a month ago got it.
I I got I don't know what we're at like 15 K now versus TikTok
throttled everything I was doingtowards the.

(52:49):
End You had hundreds of thousands of people on TikTok
then, huh? No, no, no, just no, no, no.
Just thousands of view. No, not followers.
I had just This was the first year I started uploading to
social media about OK. Oh wow.
OK. I was very quiet about all of
this, just studying, learning. Oh, OK, OK, got.
It so it it was that week where I was getting millions of views

(53:10):
where my TikTok really started to blow off that it got banned.
So that was the power. Shift and guess what?
You know, Larry Ellison, founderof Oracle, the biggest
contributor, the OR like the biggest ever known contributor
to the IDF, individual contributor to the IDF,
16,000,000 to the IDF and obviously a lot more privately,

(53:34):
OK. So the TikTok is cooked.
TikTok is cooked. It's over, I made a video saying
goodbye guys this is it for me. Probably like 5 or 6 videos
before I was banned. It got a couple 100,000 views
and then banned and I had peoplesaving my videos for me sending
it to me because they were all getting taken down in real time.

(53:55):
It was like money. My comment sections were like,
oh dude, you're going to get banned.
This is going to get banned. And like it's getting hundreds
of, yeah, 10s of thousands of views per per hour and then
banned. Wow, that's great.
It was all over Charlie Kirk, bythe way, that was the number
one. Yeah, I will say I have tried to
upload a few different things related to Charlie as well over

(54:18):
the past couple weeks and they immediately get community
flagged and then I dispute it and then I lose the dispute.
I actually have a I've had on myaccount which is not that big at
all, but it says account ban potential or something.
I've been, I'm waiting. I'm waiting to log in one day

(54:38):
and for it to be gone because that's probably.
I didn't even, I didn't feel anyheartbreak.
All I knew was I'm like, I'm doing my job.
I'm clearly telling the right narrative and for them to ban me
means I'm I'm doing the right thing.
That's that's a little bit of a badge of honor.
Who else do you listen to or who?
Whose information do you take in?
Who do you like these days? How?

(54:59):
How do you kind of get your perspectives or information to
then form your own take? It's funny because I, I want to
ask you that question before andI want to see if we aligned
before I give it away. So I'd like to know where where
you go. I'll give you mine.
I'll give you mine. I will say prior to the Candace

(55:20):
Tucker versus Nick battle, I definitely would get a lot of
perspective from Candace, a lot of perspective from Tucker, and
then a lot of perspective from Nick, those three.
But then I also really like Professor Jeffrey Sachs, I like
Professor John Mearsheimer. I listen to those guys to get a

(55:42):
really a different kind of like an older person perspective and
quite frankly, A academic perspective when it comes to the
Israel Palestine stuff. Gosh, I've probably learned the
most from these Israeli scholarslike Norman Finkelstein.
And then there's a guy, Miko Pellet.

(56:03):
I've had him on the podcast. Norman Finkelstein.
I've heard that name. Before Yeah, Norman Finkelstein
is incredible. He's Jewish.
He's like a Jewish scholar and he's just absolutely amazing
with the way he breaks down the history of Israel.
So yeah, very viral clip. He had a very viral clip where

(56:24):
he was. Do you remember that clip where
he's giving a lecture? Yeah, he's giving a lecture and,
and and a young girl. Wonder.
Yes, yeah. And he just shut her down.
He absolutely shut her down. Beautiful.
And I think he, I mean, I, I don't know anything else about
him other than that clip, but that was a wonderful moment for
humanity in that situation. I used to like Patrick Bet,

(56:47):
David, I used to listen to that podcast, but man, that thing
just, yeah, went South in a hurry post post.
Actually, when October 7th happened, for that first couple
months they were doing great content.
When it came to the situation inGaza and Palestine and Israel

(57:09):
and all that, they really were delivering, I thought, the best
content on the Internet. And then they just completely
went one sided and went South. I'll tell you who else I like.
I like Piers Morgan. I've listened to a lot of Piers
Morgan stuff. You know, even though I might
not agree with everything Piers Morgan says, I think he provides

(57:31):
a platform for both sides of anydiscussion to be able to
articulate their side. And then he does take a side
sometimes. And, you know, in the Gaza
situation, for the first maybe 18 months, he was completely,
well, I'd say 80% pro Israel, 20% pro Palestinian people.

(57:54):
And now it's probably 95% pro Palestinian people, 5% pro
Israel. And he's caught a bunch of Flack
for that, you know, like. All of the sudden, Anna
Kasparian. Anna Kasparian.
Yeah, Anna Kasparian. What a great.
He's a beast. He's a beast.
Her. On, that's great.
She's a beast. She's part of that Young Turks

(58:17):
with that guy Jank Huger. You know, I listen to those
guys, I take their content and you know, anybody that is like
put on the gas, super volatile from the beginning to the end, I
kind of take them with a little bit of a grain of salt.
I like the people that can that can calmly articulate their

(58:40):
point and calmly articulate, youknow, their stance on things,
back it up with receipts. But yeah, she's a beast.
So I get all, I get some stuff from them.
I'll tell you where I don't get anything from anymore
whatsoever. Is anything Fox?
Anything News Nation, Newsmax, The New York Post, All of those?

(59:03):
Do you listen to Nick anymore? Wentez, Wentez.
No, I absolutely do. I absolutely do.
Yeah, yeah, I absolutely listen to Nick.
You know, I my take on the Nick situation in regards to Charlie
Kirk and him not immediately saying, hey, this is so obvious.
This was Israel because Charlie was about to switch teams and go

(59:26):
on Candace. I just think he well, one of two
things, One is maybe the Trump administration has a has a
backdoor deal with him and they said, hey, you need to pump the
brakes on this and we're going to enable you to who knows,
maybe Nick takes over Turning Point USAA year from now.
You know, I can tell you Erica Kirk being appointed the CEO of

(59:49):
Turning Point USA, that was justridiculous and weird and that
makes no sense. So with Nick, I do think they
came to him and said, hey, we'regoing to, we're going to propel
you, but you need to pump the brakes on that.
That's one potential. The other potential is, listen,
man, the fear of God and the fear of seeing something happen

(01:00:12):
to someone similar to you. I mean, that changes you.
That changes you. You know that absolutely changes
you and. And that could be at play.
You know, that could be at play.I actually think that kind of is
the reason why Trump might be different in many ways.
You know, the assassination attempt last July in Butler.

(01:00:35):
Pai had another guy. I don't know if you follow
Jeremy Slade and Jay Slay USA, he's on Instagram.
He's pretty good. I'll get you guys connected.
You should have a conversation anyway.
He had an amazing, amazing take on my podcast, which hasn't
gotten as much notoriety, but hebasically thought that that was
a warning shot to Trump to fall in line.

(01:00:57):
And I mean, with hindsight, he has fallen in line, you know,
like, like the Trump that is in power now.
I mean, half of MAGA is like, this isn't the guy we voted for.
Who is this guy? You know what I mean?
So, you know, I do think that fear of God changes you, that
absolutely changes you. And it's not Even so much, it's

(01:01:20):
not Even so much your personal harm.
It's finding your weak spot and,and, and, and putting the fear
of God that they'll be affected.So like for Trump, it would be
barren, Ivanka, maybe Melania. I don't even think he cares that
much about Don Junior and Eric. So maybe those guys are
disposable. But his grandkids, I know he

(01:01:42):
loves his grandkids. Who knows, man, who knows?
So I think with Nick, that has taken place to an extent to
where he's pumped the brakes on the Charlie Kirk thing because
he hasn't pumped the brakes on anything else.
He's continuing to go hardcore on the state of Israel and this

(01:02:02):
ceasefire and all that. But the Charlie Kirk thing, it's
just weird. It's weird.
When something doesn't feel right, usually something isn't
right, which I've I've learned to trust my gut over the years
on these people because what meets the eye is never what the
full story is type of thing. So it's funny because I stopped,
I stopped listening to just overthe last few weeks, I've stopped

(01:02:25):
listening to everybody. Almost the only people who
really, well, what happens is I'll listen to everyone, get
their perspective. And when I say everyone, I mean
the top talking heads like you mentioned, Tucker, Nick,
Candace, Nick. I'll never, I'll never really
fully listen to him again. I'll go to his comment section
just to see what his followers, just just to see how aware his

(01:02:47):
followers are. But I won't really listen to him
because I already he already exposed his hand to me.
Interesting. OK, OK.
If. He's if he's not, I mean if he
has a take that I want to hear, like on a conflict, I'll go go
to him. Definitely.
But massive turn off, massive turn off.
What happened? The whole Charlie Kirk
situation. But David Icke, I mean that

(01:03:08):
dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dog, if you ever want the biggerpicture of what's going on,
you're talking about a guy who was a part of the club.
He was in mainstream media, right?
And completely flipped his script and Nick wants to say he
red pilled everybody. No, Nick.
Nick got a lot of what he got from David Icke.
He learned a ton from David Icke, and he even admitted it on

(01:03:30):
a podcast that yeah, he agrees with everything David Icke says
aside from the whole reptilian stuff.
Right. Yeah.
The reptilian, you know, David, Ike.
Is it Ike or Ike? I don't even know how to.
I don't know. I just say David Ike.
You know what's interesting? He's just not mainstream enough
in the United States. And, and, and I don't know why,

(01:03:50):
because no, no, I agree with you.
I think that guy I. Think we do know why?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, it seems like
people are finding the truth. So I'm surprised more people
haven't found him. Even myself, I don't really take
in enough off of his content. I'm going to start to add that
to my list. It's funny because I noticed
myself, I'm like, all right, I've got the weeds.

(01:04:12):
I want the higher picture. Like you go into the trenches
when you listen to Nick, when you listen to Talker, when you
listen to right, right, right. But you're like, what is the
bigger picture here? And David Icke always has it and
it's really hard to find. I'll search his name on YouTube
and on a certain subject and I can't really find it.
So often times I'll just go to my guru.
I'll be like, hey, what's the deal with this situation, right?

(01:04:34):
I've listened to this person, this person, this person,
they're all saying this. This is the general consensus of
what's happening in the US, and he always has the perspective
that. Is your guru like front and
center? Like does dude have a podcast?
Needs to be. They're doing a series on him
over there in India right now because he builds temples all
over the place. He'll go into any territory in

(01:04:57):
the entire world. He'll build the temple, he'll
build the church. He believes that there should be
no division among people. There should be no division.
And I agree with that. I think we look at the world.
That's why whenever people bringup the whole religious side of
things, I'm like, do you really think that the people that
control the banks, that control the governments, that control

(01:05:18):
the food, that control the healthcare, that control this,
they just skipped religion. Yeah.
They didn't plan this out from day one.
Like, come on, There's so much planning that's gone into all of
this. And organized religion.
Organized religion is the weaponthey're using for everything
else. It really is, man.
Organized religion is powerful. It really.

(01:05:39):
Is powerful. As as a.
That's the weak point for humans.
That's that's the weak point. It is.
It is. As somebody that is not into any
organized religion, it's super easy for me to see the people
that and again, regardless of the religion, if they are so
into their team, they cannot think clearly at all.

(01:06:01):
I mean, they cannot think clearly at all.
What about Alex Jones? Do you listen to him?
Do you like that guy? He's been controlled off from
day, I don't know about from dayone, but he had a man named
William Cooper, goes by Bill Cooper.
Yeah, that dude was legit right?Legit.
So he, he was actually the one who predicted 911.
He had Bill Cooper. Alex Jones had Bill Cooper on

(01:06:24):
the show and live listeners listen.
Then they said it went well. You know, after the show, Alex
Jones goes off saying Bill Cooper was a maniac, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, started bad talking Bill Cooper for what
reason? We don't know.
But usually it's because a higher power calls in and says
you're not allowed to have somebody like this telling, you

(01:06:44):
know, telling the truth on your show.
And then Alex Jones is famous for predicting 9/11 after Bill
Cooper's already predicted it. And so I didn't know.
That I didn't know that, yeah. And so, yeah, if you do a little
bit deeper dive, I believe Alex Jones's wife is Jewish.
So he has three Jewish kid by blood.
The the female is, you know, thethe bloodline, essentially

(01:07:08):
they're they're the ones that. Matter that either.
Yeah. So I mean, it came out that
Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson said it himself, that he has a
Jewish wife as well. So a lot of these people.
Really. He said it himself.
Yeah, his wife's Jewish. I did not know that.
Yeah, and I think Trump just said that his daughter
converted. I mean, shock, shock there,
right? Trump just said Ivanka

(01:07:29):
converted. Yeah, yeah.
So if you put the pieces together, I mean, Alex Jones is
not he's he's been on the brink of bankruptcy with Infowars for
how long? Yes, Dude, you have an amazing
studio. Your your guys telling the
truth. He ends up dead somehow.
It's like, come on, man. Yeah, a lot of people probably

(01:07:50):
don't know one of his main, I think.
I think like reporters got killed.
That was weird. Yeah, but he's got some other
good guys. Like I don't know if Owen Royer
is still part of it for Wars. Yeah, Owen left, I believe.
Owen left well. There's.
A famous. Clip way back when, I forget
which reporter it was. Maybe he was the one that

(01:08:11):
unfortunately passed. I don't know.
But there's this guy who comes on and he's like, you know,
Hollywood is all a bunch of homosexual Jewish people.
It's run by homosexual Jewish people.
And they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yeah. Even Infowars, you can't say.
You can't. There's even things you can't

(01:08:31):
say on Infowars. OK, that's interesting.
So yeah, I mean, I don't know ifI'm allowed to say it on this
show. You can edit that out.
But I don't think I'm on, I'm onthe radar yet for it to be a
problem. So, yeah, and if it is, I'll
just point them to you. I'm just asking questions, all
right? What else, man?
What else? What else?

(01:08:52):
Anything else we should talk about or?
Man, I mean, it's just exciting times.
I was talking with a friend the other day.
I'm like, they've come out with no new shows on Netflix.
Like nothing really entertaining.
And he's like, dude, that's because real life right now is
the TV show. It is all so entertaining and.
I'm like very true. But on you know, you're you're

(01:09:12):
going to Candace Owens for your entertainment.
Nowadays, you're not. Yeah, you're.
Going anywhere else, so I think it's.
It's very true. I will say I definitely watch a
lot less Netflix and I watch a lot more Instagram on my phone
or or whatever on my phone. No, that absolutely is true.
All right, listen, man, we couldgo on for couple of hours.

(01:09:35):
I know pretty easily, but we'll save it.
This was super enjoyable. Let's let's do it again.
Let's maybe do it again in the next, I don't know.
There's gonna be there's gonna be so much that happens in the
next few months that we're there's gonna be plenty to talk
about. So I really appreciate you
having me on I. Appreciate you want to plug
anything you want to tell anyoneanywhere.

(01:09:56):
Surveillance data ushering in social media is not going to be
the same. I have people messaging me about
how they're getting banned on Instagram now algo shift
happened recently. He shows me a bunch of his
videos. I don't know if you know banned
video on Instagram I. Do know banned video?
Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, so they they showed me, you know, a bunch of their
contents getting blocked. It's like randomly it just all

(01:10:19):
of them got flagged and it's so it's an algo shift that's
happening on on Instagram now too.
It's not just TikTok. So it's inevitable.
Yeah. I've known for a long time that
this was their plan. So we're we're working on our
own social media platform. There's a bare bones version on
the marketplace right now in theApp Store.
It's called the Mara Social. So if you want the bare bones

(01:10:41):
version, it's there. It's it's not amazing yet, but
it's the I mean, it's, it's our effort to keep the truth gone.
We don't want these conversations to end.
We want people to be able to share this stuff.
We need humanity to wake up now more than ever because we are at
a pivotal moment. So whatever we can do, we're
trying to do. And I think social media is is

(01:11:02):
one of those things. So yeah, that's.
My that's. My plug for the day.
OK, all right, that's a good one.
I, I will say as much as there'sa lot of manipulation via social
media, but it also has been an eye opener and Pandora's box.
Pandora's box got opened up by the way the modern state of

(01:11:24):
Israel did to Gaza and what theydid to the Palestinian people.
And that genocide was relayed topeople through TikTok.
TikTok then allowed it to go to Instagram and to Facebook and
all that. And, you know, I, I don't think
they realized that they opened up Pandora's box and they

(01:11:45):
basically, they had a good thinggoing, but they ruined it.
And now people will not stop asking questions about
everything there, about 90, about the JFK assassination, the
USS Liberty, talking about, you know, taking it back to the USS
Liberty, all that stuff. Man, I know.
It's like, when did we ever learn about the USS Liberty?

(01:12:08):
We didn't, we never got any of this stuff.
The Hovara agreement. How about did you did you see
the the Hannibal directive, the.Hannibal directive?
Yep, I understand. That, I mean, come on, when,
when would we have ever learned about any of this stuff if it
weren't for social media? No textbook is going to have
stuff like that. And then?
There's even a crazier thing called, I think the Samson

(01:12:31):
option or the Samson directive that basically in a nutshell
says if if Israel ever gets to the point where their friends
turn on them and they really feel like they're backed into a
corner that they can't get out of, then they're gonna like.
Go nuclear. Go nuclear on everybody,

(01:12:52):
including the United States. I mean that's there's
legitimate. Israel doesn't have a nuclear
program. I don't understand.
It doesn't make any sense, right?
Good point, Good point. All right, my man, listen, hang
on the line. All right, everybody.
Hope you guys enjoyed this conversation.
By the way, I just wanted to tell people this was you're one

(01:13:12):
of the few people I think this is the second time.
I literally did not prepare muchof anything for this.
And I think I only sent you maybe a text message that said,
hey, let's get into the Charlie Kirk stuff and let's get into
anything else, you know, currentbecause I knew the conversation
would just flow and and it definitely did that.

(01:13:34):
So anyway, Madam, listen, I really appreciate it.
Hang on the line. All right?
Everybody, call a spade a spade.Call your parents.
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(01:13:54):
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Hope for it. All right, buddy, stay on the
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