EP#386 | GUEST | Bet You Didn't See This: Ian Wendt on Truth, Propaganda & Patriotism - Deep Shallow Dive

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The following podcast is a deep,shallow dive production and
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All right, so I had to start this out by saying bet you
didn't see this. Yeah, right.

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You know what's funny, dude? You know, what's really funny
about that is that is a very recent thing.
Like I, I don't remember how long ago I started to do that
and it wasn't even planned. I literally just made one video
and I said, bet you haven't seenthis or bet you didn't see this.
And I was like, that's a good hook.
Like let's see how it goes. And it just murdered.
And then everything else that I posted, I noticed that the

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engagement was a lot lower because the way that the
algorithm changed it. I mean, as you know, like it's
very much about catching it, quick catching.
It That's right. That's right.
And, and so I was like, all right, let's try it again.
So I kept trying it and every single time I did it, it was
like boom, boom, boom. It just kept hitting.
And I was like, all right, I guess this is the thing.
But what's really funny about itis so I kind of adopted this as

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my thing, but didn't even realize it.
And then, you know, I've since probably 2021, people have quote
UN quote, like spotted me in thewild, right?
And it's always just they come up and they say, oh, this is
that you're the patriot guy, like I follow you, blah, blah.
OK. But this time somebody spotted
me. I don't even remember where it
was, but they came up from behind me, tabbed me on the
shoulder and said, bet you didn't see this.

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And they like said it in the ear.
And I turned around and I'm like, oh, oh, that's me.
Like it didn't register first. I was like, what, bitch?
You didn't see what? Oh.
That's hilarious. Well.
I, I, people do that all the time, dude.
They come up behind me and they or they or they come up to me
and they say, bitch, you didn't see this.
And I'm like, yeah, I guess that's me now, yeah.
I bet they do. And I have to give you the

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hugest compliment. So like as I was kind of
starting, starting my process with deep shallow dive and all
that. And finally, like for the first
year, honestly, I kind of was like hiding behind the camera.
I really didn't come out from from behind the scenes.
A lot of people didn't even knowwhat deep shallow dive was, nor
did they know who was behind it.So now I've kind of started to

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come out from behind, behind thedeep shallow dive curtain a
little bit. And so I've always wanted to
find a way to incorporate myselfwhen I'm doing other people's
stuff, like remixing your stuff or Ian Carroll's or Candace's or
whomever. And so I was like, God, that bet
you didn't see this. That is so clever.

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I can't use that because that's Ian's.
So I literally ended up coming with my own version, which was
take a look at this video. And so my take a look at this
video. I, I owe you that.
Actually, that is a that's cool Maj. to you, because I'm not
kidding. I, I borrowed that as a, as a
page out of your playbook. So thank you for that.

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No, you're welcome. I, I mean, dude, The thing is
like I so again, I never plannedit right?
But then as it started to take off, I realized why it worked so
well. So I, I've been in sales my
whole life. I was in door to door sales for
over 10 years. And the name of the game with
door to door sales is catching people's attention fast on their
doorstep, getting their attention and getting them to be

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willing to listen right. So what you have to do is you
have to create a impossible scenario for them to not only
disagree with, but an impossiblescenario for them to like, not
acknowledge you. And so it's funny because I'll,
when I say bet you didn't see this, now that I've kind of
thought through it and why it hits #1 it's catchy #2A lot of

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people didn't see whatever it isI'm about to post because a lot
of people use me primarily for their news or they're just not
like they're just not concerned with anything else.
And so they really haven't seen it or, and this is the funny
one, or they have seen it and they're so like, as soon as they
see it, they have to comment. No, no, no, I saw it.
But see, here's the thing that most people don't get.

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It's a play on words because it's not, I'm not necessarily
saying that you haven't seen this.
Because the truth is a lot of the time I actually wait for
things to to kind of, you know, pan out.
Like I am not the type of personthat likes to jump on something
right away because I mean, straight up, dude, the news
changes so fast now and the truth of whatever situation it

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is you're covering literally changes by the hour at the
beginning. It's like, this is true.
No, this is true. This is.
And so, so many of these people will jump on it like a grenade,
like, oh, this is, this is it, right?
And the fact of the matter is that I, I try my best to really
report truth. And and so doing that, I know
that I have to kind of give someoxygen to some of these stories.

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Yeah, so. Believe me when I tell you, if
you're watching this and you're like, I see your stuff all the
time, but I like I've already seen it somewhere else.
I know I there's probably a goodchance you have.
But The thing is, when I say bitch, you didn't see this.
It's not just about bet you didn't see the content or bet
you didn't see the the the you know the substance of this post
you definitely didn't see my take on.

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It yeah, exactly like it's it's your take actually.
That is obviously I think what'sattracted everyone to your
content. And I was telling you before we
hit record, you know, one of thethings that, you know, guys like
you guys like there, there's a trio of Ian's, there's you Ian
Wentz, by the way, there's Ian Smith, the big dude, and then

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there's Ian Carroll. And like those are like.
Good friends of mine and great, great humans.
Oh, that's really cool. That's really cool.
I literally I'm like it's the trio of Ian's and sometimes when
I'm talking to different people and I say Ian, they're like
which one? I'm like, Oh, Ian went check it
out And actually my one buddy's like, Oh, they did the I bet you
didn't see this guy. So that has definitely stuck.

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But I'll tell you and and you know, your whole setup right now
is, is so perfect as to why I think you need to be heard is so
if you're not watching this on Spotify or YouTube, Ian's got an
American flag painting that's ofhim and his son.
That's absolutely magnificent behind him, right.
There's an American flag to the side.

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He's wearing his own patriot gear hat, Patriot hat.
And then is that one of the Charlie Kirk freedom shirts?
What? What is?
That yeah, I literally just madea video about this.
So this is this is a Charlie Kirk Freedom shirt, but this is
his Charlie Kirk Freedom shirt that I bought off his website
because I'm not going to buy it off of his so-called friends out

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there promoting it or selling itfor their own brand.
It, it's funny dude, because we were actually asked to make
these shirts because people havesuch confidence in our brand and
in official Patriot gear, they know that we wouldn't do
anything to profit off of other people and we would do it the
right way. And so we were actually we, I
can't even tell you how many times we've been asked to make a

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freedom shirt, not only by our customers, but like by big names
to the point where at first I said absolutely not.
I made a video about it. I shut it down completely.
And then I had one of my friendsreach out.
That's like really level headed.And he basically kind of talked
me into it. And he was like, look, I
understand how you feel, but thereality is, Ian, you're going to

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do it the right way. And so you need to do it because
people want this and it's a win win.
And I was like, all right, well,I'll start to think about it.
And I was like, I got to a pointwhere I was like, the only, only
way I'm going to do this is if Iget permission literally
directly from Erica that it's OKto do this.
And that she knows that all the profits are going to go to a
special fund for her kids. Because the reality is

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financially they're taken care of.
OK? Anybody that says otherwise,
like, dude, the amount of Gofundmes and all the different
things that like, they're good financially.
Charlie was smart. There's, there's money there for
the family. They're good.
So I knew that if we were going to do this and we were going to
benefit the family, there had tobe something that was like very
unique. And so that's why I was like,

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let's, you know, give it to the kids, call it call it the
Freedom Fund for the kids and just let it be something they
can use for whatever they want. Like take it to an amusement
park, take it on a trip, whatever it is.
Right. Yeah, totally.
And that's kind of where I was at 1st.
And I actually got permission tolike this is before I started
getting a lot louder about turning point and everything,
but like I know a lot of people there and I straight up went to

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the top and I was like, hey, I'll do this if I get
permission. And they said you have
permission, do it. And I was like.
Was this was this before he got shot or after?
No, this is way after. Oh, way after.
Yeah, this. Well, I mean, this was, yeah,
this was probably weeks after. Like, I didn't know if that
shirt. I didn't know if that shirt was
something that was in the mainstream before he got shot.
Like I don't know if he was wearing it before this all came

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out afterward. Yeah, I'm not sure.
I don't. I didn't.
I didn't see it, but like then again, it is one of those things
where it's like the reason why it went off is because of what
happened, right? And it sent a message, but no,
this is this is after. And so, but I got permission.
I straight up got permission from the top.
And they were like to the point where we were actually going to

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so, so part of what we do with our brand is I'm not trying to
plug my brand, but this. Is no.
It's all good. I want you to.
Well, so one, one thing we do iswe, we reach out to influencers
and celebrities and, and you know, personalities, people that
we feel like actually embody what our brand stands for, which
is non partisan patriotism, likejust freedom of speech, freedom
of everything and not political,not, not, not based on color,

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not based on race, like just love of country, love of people
and willingness to defend it, right.
And So what we do is we actuallykind of create like a collection
within the brand for them. So for example, Ian Carroll has
his own T-shirt that we used hisspecial painting that's always
behind him when he does his videos and we put it into the
Patriot logo and that's his signature shirt.

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It has a signature on it under the flag and like that's his
shirt. And we have a bunch of others
that are like that as well. And so I was literally going to
do that with Charlie. We were going to make this
T-shirt, but it was going to have a flag and his signature on
it. And they gave to the point dude,
where they gave me not only permission to make the shirt,
they were going to give me his signature for it.
Oh, wow. So if that gives you any idea of

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like how much people trust me and the brand as far as we're
going to do the right thing, right?
And anyway, so I, I, I, I was like, OK, well, shoot, maybe we
should do this. And then dude, I did, I, I did
another double take. As soon as I started thinking
about, I was like, no, no, you know what?
We're not. Because here's the truth.

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Even if we create this fund for the kids, even if we do any of
that stuff, the only person thatgains from this is me is us.
Because we make the design, we put it out there, tons of people
buy it. We collect their emails, we
collect their phone numbers, we get all the data, and then we
are able to go and farm that data with the rest of our brand

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and the rest of our products. And So what I'm getting at is
this anybody and everybody out there right now that is making a
Freedom T-shirt or any Charlie Kirk merch and they're trying to
say, oh, but we're donating the profits and the proceeds or
whatever. It's bull crap dude.
They are. 100% profiting off of the man's death because even if

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they don't make the money, a tonof money upfront, they're going
to make hand over fist later with the amount of people that
are going to buy that shirt and get into their system.
Yeah, you're right, you're right, the data collection for
sure. All right, let's dude, let's
talk about his so-called friends.
Like I'm at a loss, man. And and I've really enjoyed
consuming your content because you've really had the same

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mindset I've had where, I mean, I just don't get it.
Like his entire network, including all the turning point
people, and I hate to say it, including his wife.
It's like, it's like they're treating his death as if he was
a 95 year old guy who peacefullypassed away in his sleep.
Like they went right to celebration of life.

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I don't get it. Like, like there's a million
holes in this thing. There is, there's a, there is
absolutely a million holes. It's funny because I literally
just made a video about this andpost it on my Instagram.
But what I basically said was it's so weird that you have all
of these influencers and people that are attacking Candace Owens

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and myself and anybody else who is trying to like figure out
what's really going on. Because the fact of the matter
is that I think at this point, 99.99999% of people agree that
the official narrative is absolute garbage.
None of it makes sense. It it's like if like one piece
of it made sense, it would be something, but none of it makes
sense. It's like all of it has holes in

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it and everybody has been caughtin different lies or
inconsistencies and like none ofit makes sense.
And so it's so weird that the people that were quote, UN quote
closest to Charlie are like, I actually shouldn't even say that
the influencers and the people that that, you know, say they

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were friends with Charlie or they, they, they profess to care
about Charlie, are attacking thepeople that are simply just
trying to get to the bottom of this and figure out what's going
on. That's the first thing really
weird that they're doing that right, that these people,
because these influencers are the type of influencers that for
so long their shtick was uncovering the truth and and

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questioning the narrative. And like during COVID, it was
like, right truth. Tellers and.
Yet now they're like, no FBI said this must be true sick move
on. And it's and and everybody else
that questions it. You're a hateful bigot and a
evil person and a like, I'm sorry, what?
That's the first thing. The second thing is all of the

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people that are, you know, getting caught in the crossfire,
the people that are closest to him, like the Andrew Kovitz, the
Tylers, the all these people, right?
They're going on these massive camp, the, the, the pastor, like
Mikey, they're going on these. Touring Mikey, Mikey McCoy, his
dad Rob McCoy, those guys are all.

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It's like they're trying so hard.
It's almost like they're overcompensating For what?
Exactly, like they're going on these podcast tours and they're
going on all these. They're they're basically
campaigning on this whole like, we didn't do it.
Why are you attacking us? This isn't like they're
basically trying to exonerate themselves to the public court

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for simply being questioned of whether or not they're involved.
And I'm like, listen, the best way I can explain this is if my,
if someone that I loved and cared about was murdered.
Yeah. And, and, and the official
narrative made absolutely zero sense.
And I knew it made zero sense. Even if all of the people that

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were questioning that narrative were coming after me, even if
they were saying, oh, Ian was probably involved in this, I
know I wasn't, right? So it doesn't matter.
Like, OK, sure, I get that when you get threats and things like
that, it gets serious. I understand that.
But handle it on a case to case basis, right?
You don't make it public. You, you know that you're not

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involved. And so you know that at the end
of the day, you're going to be completely exonerated.
But you still don't know who, what, why or how.
All these people are trying to figure that out for you.
And you're the type of person you can't.
You're too close to it that you can't figure it out.
Right, right. So wouldn't the best like choice

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of an action be to just shut up,let them say what they want
about you because you know you're innocent.
It doesn't matter. That's complete air.
Like that's just, it's not, it doesn't make sense and it
doesn't care. It doesn't matter.
And let them try to figure out what's going on and hope and
pray that these people actually do dig up the bones and figure
out what's going on. No, I don't, I don't, I don't

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get it, man. It's like all these guys like
Officer Tatum, Benny Johnson, honestly, Dinesh D'souza, a lot
of people that that I'll be honest, I liked their takes
during COVID. Like during COVID I was like,
man, these guys are making sense.
I kind of vibed with, you know, COVID being, I don't even know,
a psyop or whatever the hell COVID was.

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So I liked those guys for that. That's what.
It was. You say it again.
It was a test run. It was a test run.
We can get into that because that definitely like that
relates to everything we are talking about right now.
It's not. It wasn't a test run for a for a
virus. All right, I, I, I'm going to,
I'm going to table that for one second because I do want to get
into that. But all of those guys, you know,
one thing that I think helped them build an audience was their

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questioning of everything. And then all of the sudden here
we are in 2025. They've turned into the liberals
that they attacked for four years.
They've turned into the people that yelled at us for, you know,
asking why are we wearing masks?Wait, why are we 6 feet apart?
Why is any of this making sense?You want to get a vaccine

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because you want to protect yourself.
Knock yourself out, get 20, get 20 shots if you want, but don't
force that on me because I don'tthink that's the right route.
Now all of a sudden these guys are acting the exact same way
about the it's like Charlie Kirkis COVID and they're they're
attacking anyone that's asking questions.

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It's insane. Well, and and and so, you know,
going, yeah, you're right. But going back to my point about
this too, like so again, you have the Andrew Kovitz, you have
the pastors, you have all these people going on campaigns to
like, prove their innocence, right.
Yeah. Well, who is the one person that
isn't saying a single thing? The one person that isn't saying

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a single thing? Well, sister.
Charlie not saying a single thing.
No, no, no, no. In that circle, in his, in his
immediate circle, the one personwho isn't saying anything, what
is the closest? His wife.
Erica Yeah. So I will tell you this, OK?
I actually think at this point, because of what I said, right?
Because of because of the fact that I've gotten to the point

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where I have decided that if I was in that same situation, the
best course of action would be let people say what they want
about me. I don't freaking care.
It doesn't matter. I know that I'm exon.
I like, I know that I'm innocent, but I absolutely would
want everybody and anybody to beturning over every single stone
that I couldn't and try to figure out what's going on and
who killed the person that I love.

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It's for that reason that I actually think Erica might be
Candace's source. You know what?
I I, I have gone back and forth on this so much.
She. Hasn't told her to stop.
You're right, you're right, She.Hasn't come out and tried to
like, you know, prove her innocence or anything like that.
She's just kind of let it go andall she keeps, she just keeps

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tweeting. She keeps on going on and like,
I, I don't know, right, Like nobody knows.
And, and let's be clear about that.
When you talk about conspiracy theories, I think it's really
important for someone for peopleto understand this.
It's, it's very, it's always confusing for people because
when you talk about a conspiracytheory, it's almost like you

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immediately assume that the people that are the conspiracy
theorists believe in all the conspiracy theories that
surround that specific event. No, that's not how it works.
Being a conspiracy theorist or believing in a conspiracy is it
just means you don't believe theofficial narrative, right?
It doesn't mean you believe in everything.
It doesn't mean you believe in everything from the holograms

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to, you know, the wrong shooter.It just means that you don't
believe the official narrative and that every and any hole that
can be poked will be and will beinvestigated, right?
So with this, it's like, look, man, she's the only one that is
not coming out and saying you'reright, attacking my character

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and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And she's like, she's just letting people go, even to the
point where she's letting Candace go, she's letting Ian
go, and she's letting all the hate and everything come in and
she's not saying a single word. So I'll say I think there's a
strong possibility that she might be the source.
Now, if that's not the case, then unfortunately it kind of

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goes to a more nefarious place for me in my mind.
And it's like. I really hate to believe that
that might be a possibility, butdude, at this point you're naive
to believe that anything is not especially.
With you have to be open to everything.
You have to be open to everything.
And I'll talk about Candace in asecond, but you know, you're
totally right. I will say I think Erica's taken
a lot of criticism for, you know, like the way she was with

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the casket in his hands the day after and then very theatrical
going on the podcast, you know, acting happy, you know, the West
WWE summer slam memorial event. I mean the.
Memes for that are so funny bro.They're hilarious.
That was. Crazy.
But but one of my tweets went viral about that, by the way.

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Oh. Really.
I don't know if you saw that butdude I went from I had 8000
followers on Twitter and I went from like 8000 to 25,000 in like
4 days because I put a tweet outthere that said I can't remember
the exact wording. It was something like if my wife
dies, No, no, no. If I die, I hope my I would hope

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that it takes longer than a few days for my wife to start
working on my business something.
Like yeah, I know. I remember saying that so.
Viral, dude. And it wasn't even, it wasn't
even meant to. It was just like a passing
thought that me and my wife had by the way we thought it was
funny. And I was like, I'm going to
throw that up. And it freaking went crazy.
But but, but to end on the Ericathing, I think you're right.

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So, you know, again, yes, peoplehave been critical about the way
she's acted. But the one most important thing
is she has not told Candace to stop.
And she is not, you know, all the other conservative
influencers have attacked Candace like, like out the
wazoo, but Erica has not told her to stop.

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So I think there's some truth tothat.
Yeah. And I know that there is this
theory that or there, there is this opinion that people will
have when I say that of like, oh, but if she did that, like
people would attack her for it. And it's like, no, no, they
wouldn't. Because there is so much
cognitive dissonance based on faith right now because of this
whole situation. I mean, they have they have
literally, they have completely manipulated people based on

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their faith and their religion to not question this and and
not, and then on top of that, shame other people for
questioning it. So if you're telling me that she
would get backlash if she if shereached out and told Candace to
stop, no, you're wrong. If she did that, everyone would
actually rally around her and they would say, yeah, yeah,
Candace, you're the villain. Leave the grieving widow alone.

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So the fact that, and I know that Erica knows that.
I know that everybody knows that.
So the fact that Erica hasn't pulled that card yet.
Yeah, Yeah. Is very telling, dude.
Like, yeah, yeah. It just is.
And to me, man, how, how crazy of a movie would that be if all
of a sudden, like, just imagine,right?
Just imagine that all this stuffactually comes out.
And then one day Candace gets onand she's like, we've been

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working on getting Erica, like, a secure location for her and
her kids. And now she's been there.
You can't find her, by the way. She's been the source the whole
time. And here's the boom.
Boom. Yeah.
Like I watch too many movies. That's crazy.
The man, the whole thing though is, is just insane.
I, I, I really take Charlie's situation back to you've

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probably seen when he was on Patrick bet Davids podcast.
It was like the 12th of October 2023.
And that was the most honest podcast I think potentially in
the history of podcast because that was before really the
genocide and everything that's taken place in Gaza started.

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So Charlie was, was he was telling the truth.
He really was. And then he got shut down that
next week and basically went silent for almost 2 years up
until recent. So for those for for those
people that may not know what you're talking about, it's the
it's the episode where he specifically calls out Netanyahu

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and the Israeli government for the stand down order that had
been proven 100%. There was a stand down order.
And then he also talked about heliterally said that they are
committing A genocide and that is an ethnic cleansing of a
people. He also brought up Epstein in
that same in that same episode, like he hit every one of the

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talking points that you are not supposed to hit.
And I'll agree, man, I think that that podcast, I've said
this actually from for a while now, I think that podcast
specifically was when he was puton their radar like 100%.
It was like we got to watch thisguy and not only do we have to
watch him, we got to get in withhim and either turn him or.

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Control them I. Feel like they kind of knew
where it was going to go. It's this or this.
Yeah, yeah, you could. You could definitely.
By the way, people, people don'trealize honestly how powerful
Charlie Kirk was. I mean, Turning Point USA is the
you. You probably know this better
than I do, but like, this is thepreeminent Christian

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conservative Gen. Z youth organization in the
country. And it's, it's really the
lifeline and lifeblood of A, theRepublican Party and then, B,
that Judeo-christian mentality. Right dude, it was.
It's not even Gen. This is the thing man.
It's not even just Gen. Z.
This is what people don't. I feel like most people don't

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understand and grasp about the Charlie Kirk situation, which is
the main reason why I feel like the majority of them, It's why
it's so hard for them to believethat this could have been an
assassination plot by Israel, right?
I think the reason why the main reason why is because they don't
understand the full context. So what you have to understand
is that this conflict has been going on for over 100 years.

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Like it has been going on forever.
Not just since 48, not just since 67, not just since October
7th, like it has been going on forever.
And the reality is they very much were seen as an ally and
the little David and the, you know, the country that could do
no wrong at all for the longest time.
But then something changed in the 80s, in the 80s when the

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when the bombing happened in Lebanon and the, and the Sabra
and Shatila camp. And basically what happened is
the media caught on to it and they started putting out these,
these pictures and videos on thenews about these massacres and
saying like, wait a second, we thought this is how this country
was. But they obviously are showing

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us that they are someone completely different.
And the narrative switch, dude, it flipped.
And people started to see Israelfor what they were.
They started to see him as this,this freaking giant and the, and
this like bully of the Middle East that was basically
steamrolling their way across and just murdering people at at
will and getting away with it. And so in the 80s, they came up

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with something called Hazbura. And Hazbura in Hebrew means
explain and it's their literal and this is real.
You can look this up. This is not like a conspiracy.
Theory. Like I've seen that term.
I've seen that. Term it's so it is their literal
PR campaign that they devised with some of the top PR

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executives from all over the world, including the United
States. They brought in they brought in
the guy that was in charge of the Miller Lite because Miller
Lite was always a woman's beer. They re reframe that to be a
man's beer like to to be for menor whatever.
With this guy. This guy was in was like a
master of reframing. They brought him in to help with

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this whole campaign. They brought in Frank Luntz.
It was also a master of reframing.
And they sat him down and they said, what do we need to do so
that we can change the perception of Israel
specifically for the West, for the United States of America?
Because we have to keep their support.
We have to. There's no, there's no question
about it. And that's when they came up

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with this Hasbro campaign. And it literally is exactly
that. The whole point of it is that
when they are doing things that are completely wrong and
atrocious and anybody would lookat it and think it's horrific.
They have very carefully outlined a specific plan that
all news channels and all media and now all influencers and and

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all talking heads follow to a tee in order to reframe Israel
as the defend. Guy.
And the good guy, yeah, and and garner support and keep that
support in the United States. So the reason why I tell you
that is because our parents, like my parents, right?
The, the, you know, 40 to 60 something year old or older,

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they have been completely manipulated and propagated by
Hazborah since the 80s and they had them like completely pinned
down. So when you start seeing all
this free Palestine stuff in therecent years, it's because the
younger generations weren't propagandized like the older,
they didn't have them down like everybody else.

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And so they, it's been a constant battle.
Netanyahu himself said that theyare losing the propaganda war.
Recently, right? Recently, I saw that.
I saw that. So what people have to consider
is this older generations completely propagandized by
Israel. They're on board.
They they don't question. They they're just that's our
greatest ally. Boom bam, dumb.

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That's the baby boomers and maybe some of Gen.
X, you know, probably I say 5050year old and and above.
The ones that have been listening to freaking Hannity
forever, right? Huge proponent of this Hannity
constantly said the same thing over and over and over, right?
So, so then now consider, OK, you have the young, you have the

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college generation, which is what generation is that why?
Gen. Z, Gen.
Gen. Yeah, That's Gen.
Z. That's Gen.
Z, Yeah. 'Cause I'm 38 so what's my
generation? You're a millennial.
Yeah. You're a kind of like top End of
the millennial. Millennial.
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, you're ex millennial, so you're ex
millennials are Y, but they go by millennials.

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So you're kind of there. And then below you is Gen.
Z, which really is TikTok and then has spilled over to
Instagram. Exactly.
So now, so now let's paint a picture.
OK, so X and millennial, my generation because of the Nick
Fuentes, because of some of these other people, because of

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these these other personalities,we're also not completely
propagandized. We're not completely bought in
the next generation, which is Z,the college generation
completely not bought in. I mean, they're, they're,
they're, they're like 100% against the, the occupation,
100% against Israel, the left and the right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, here's the other thing
that most people aren't considering.
Charlie himself said they were working on, and they're still
working on thousands of high school chapters.
So what generation is high school?
High school I think is like Generation Alpha or something.
Generation let's. Just they're even below.
Yeah, OK. Let's just call it that.

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Let's call it so you have alpha.ZX.
Millennial. That's 4 generations that aren't
propagandized the way that Israel needs them to be in order
to garner the support for their Greater Israel Project and in
order to be completely behind the idea that America First
includes giving all of our tax dollars and supporting Israel in

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their in their never ending wars.
Right, you're exactly right. Charlie was the most, not not
one of the most. He was the most influential
human being to those generation to to those younger generations
in modern history. Yeah.
And he was not only influential,he was effective.

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He was actually turning turn. It was a turning point, like he
was actually changing their minds.
He was actually changing the opinion of the younger
generations. And towards the end, as we all
know, within the last year or so, he started to realize what
was going on. He started to realize that he
was under the same propaganda spell that all the older

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generations were and he was not about it.
And I don't care what anybody says he made.
There were so many appearances on podcasts and things that he
said on his show and all kinds of stuff that were slowly
turning him towards not only being anti Israel and being
America first, but also realizing, you know what, the
government is kind of the same no matter what side you're on.

(32:57):
Yeah, Yeah, I think he was coming to that.
And there was there was some rumors that like when Israel
bombed Iran, you know, he was one of the only people telling
Trump, hey, this is a bad idea, you know?
And then Trump yelled at him, supposedly so.
Not not only that, on the 16th of July, I believe, I believe it

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was July 16th. And the reason I know that is
because it was right after or right after or right before some
of those Google searches startedcoming up where people were
searching coincidentally the hospital and the medical
examiner and the surgeons from that hospital from Israel and
DC. Anyway we can get to that.
But the he went on his show. I actually made a video about
this too. He went on his show and he

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outlined the 10 necessary steps that had to be taken by the
administration in order to gain the, in order to regain the
support of the base. He literally went on and said,
listen, you guys have lost the plot.
You're losing the generation, you're losing this, this base
there. It's a mass exodus.
And the only reason you, the only way you get it back is if

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we get complete declassificationof the Epstein files.
And he laid out a 10 step process that they had to follow
if they wanted to regain the support of of the base.
This all happened before he was killed.
And so when you consider all of these things, and then you
consider the fact that it was also during the exact same time

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that one of the the greatest genocides and, and examples of
of just inhumane murder at mass without being questioned hardly
at all was happening, right? And that the, and that America
was supporting it. And then on top of that, they

(34:43):
were buying up all the platformsthat these younger generations
use the most. So you have TikTok, Google,
YouTube and restructuring their Hasborough plan.
While all of that is happening, the most influential person to
all of the generations, that could literally be the one thing
that topples the entire House ofCards is taken out in front of

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3000 people on a campus and, and, and, and nobody knows who,
why, how or what. Yeah, Yeah.
That's insane, man. Let me let me ask you this.
Do you think that it's working against them?
Do you think they miscalculated with this?
Because. Because I will tell you, I had
on. Did you see that kid that kind

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of grilled and cooked Glenn Beckthe other day?
It was at the Turning Point event.
Yeah. His name, his name's Jeb Ball.
I had him on the pod. I had him on the podcast last
week and it was a great episode.And I asked him, I said, Jeb,
you know, what is your generation think of this?
And what do you think of the Charlie Kirk situation?
Do you think there's holes in this story?

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He said, we all do. None of us believe this.
So it almost feels like, I don'tknow, did they, did they shoot
themselves in the foot by doing it the way they've done it?
And will that turn the generation off even more or I
don't know, 50-50 maybe? I, you know, I, it's such an

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interesting question and I've, and I've asked this question
with, I've talked about this with some close friends and like
I always struggle with, is our government really just that
retarded? Like, like, do they, are they
really just that stupid? Like the love letter that came
out that was obviously AI right?Or the fake letter to BB that

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they tried to push from, from Charlie?
It's like, are they really that retarded?
Do they actually like did somebody legitimately come into
the office and say hey man, AI cooked this up?
It sounds pretty good to me. We should send it out.
Hell yeah bro send it. Like is this the boomers?
Just not. I know, I know, I.
Mean like, is it my dad sitting behind a table and saying, yeah,
sure, that sounds good, they'll understand this.

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And me being like that, what like I, I can't, I can't get to
the answer of are they just thatstupid and and really just that
unorganized? And they have really they're
just completely out of touch with the younger generation and
and what we're capable of. And did they really just
overplay their cards or is it really just a massive psyop?

(37:15):
Like, is this all just one big psyop like so many other things
have been that that hit, you know, a few birds with one
stone, right? The Israel support the
distraction furthering the, the,the Gaza Riviera plans, right?
Like all these different things.And it's like it is it also

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leading to this inevitable crackdown, you know, because we
know that in addition to TikTok and Google and YouTube, there's
been VPNs and AI systems that have been bought by Israel.
And on top of that, you have Larry Ellison, who who controls
TikTok with a staunch Zionist. And a lot of these people that

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are now controlling our information platforms are
Zionists, are staunch Zionists. And so is it just leading to
this like, inevitable crackdown where they're going to use the
most massive AI surveillance to crack down on anti-Semitism,
which is ultimately just any and, and, and every opposition
to the, you know, the overall goal for globalism?

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Right, right, right. Is that where we're headed?
And, and like, is that what's really going on?
And between those two things, I,I struggle all the time, dude,
like Ray, I honestly, I don't know.
Are they stupid or are they really smart?
I, I have to think they're really smart.
I really do. I mean, I've thought through the

(38:41):
stupid thing so many times and I'm just like, there's no way.
Because I think about all the different voices that could be
involved in this, you know, like, like even even the Trump
family, I'm not the biggest, I'mnot a fan at all anymore.
But even of like Don Junior and Eric and you know, there's
Laura, there's Ivanka, there's Jared, there's smart younger

(39:05):
people in that fold, you know what I mean?
So like, I don't know who's all involved in the decision making
of this, but in my mind, there'stoo many diverse intellectual
people that somebody would be like, are you guys crazy?
That sounds so stupid. Don't send that.
So it so it has to be the flip side.

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And let me tell you something. When I think of America First,
like I don't even know if you subscribe to that movement in
particular, but my my simple definition of America First is
somebody that really wants America to be at the beneficiary
of everything. And you know who that is?
It's you, dude. Like I look at you.

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I look at, you know, I don't know if you know.
Jeremy Sladen, J Slay, USA. I know who you're talking of.
I've never met him, but I know who.
You're talking he's a great guy,but like Ian Smith, Ian Carroll,
like all these guys that that tome.
Again, you guys, you're really centrist in many ways, but
you've got an American flag, you've got a double American

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flag behind you, but you've beenone of the most outspoken.
And honestly, I really want to credit you on this.
One of the most empathetic voices of humanity for the
Palestinian people like you really have.
I've taken in so much of your stuff and I'm like, dude, this
is so refreshing. It's like a normal white dude
that that truly just is calling a spade a spade and just says,

(40:31):
hey, don't kill women and children hard stop.
You know, like end of conversation.
We don't need to. Imagine that, like imagine that.
I, I know, dude, I, I don't, I don't understand it, you know,
and, and it's crazy. Like I will.
I've, I've said this many, many times, but I've never said it on
your show. So I'll say it My, my, my belief

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of America first is 100% Americafirst does not mean America
only. OK, the fact of the matter, and
I've used this analogy so many times, but I feel like it's the
best one. If, if my family is drowning in
the river with a bunch of peopleand I am able to save them, I am
going to dive in, save my family, bring them to shore,

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make sure they are dry, comfortable, safe.
They're not going to have any other issues.
And then I'm absolutely going todive back in and try to save
other people, right? But not until they're safe and
not until they're good. And and that is that to me is
what America First means, because you cannot pick somebody

(41:34):
up off the ground with two broken arms.
Like you have to get to a place where you're strong enough to
make it happen. And I also though, like I said,
I also believe that America first does not mean America
only. And the reason for that is
simply because I believe in the law of the harvest.
I believe in the fact that truly, the more you give, the
more you will receive. And so I believe that's a

(41:56):
universal law. And as a government, we
absolutely have to be willing togive in order to receive.
And now, so, so in other words, I am not an isolationist.
However, I will say that at thispoint, where we are right now as
Americans and as a country, we absolutely need some
isolationism, even if it's for ashort period.

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We need to be isolationist rightnow because we have got to take
care of our own. We have got to get our country
back to a place where we want, where, where our kids will be
happy to grow up. Quite frankly, like we were
like, I know that there are a lot of issues and everything
with my childhood that I wasn't really aware of, but like, I had
a pretty Dang good childhood, man.
Like I, I feel like the America I grew up in was a great 1.

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And I think most people would agree with that.
And it's like we need to get back to a place where our kids
are safe and taken care of and they grow up and they're
willing. They're, they're able to, you
know, chase the American dream and like truly become something
of themselves and, and, and be free.
And we're, we're not in a place like that right now.

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And so like, yeah, we, we kind of need some isolationism right
now in order to get there. But then once we do, we
absolutely should reach out and help our other neighbors.
And we should absolutely do our best to, you know, once we have
the means, we should be willing to give.
And this is something I believe so strongly to my core because

(43:23):
it's exactly who I am too. And I'm not, I'm not trying to
like, you know, pat myself on the back or anything, but like,
dude, if legitimately if I couldmake a living from making lots
and lots and lots of money and then giving that money away.
Yeah, yeah. But as long as my family was
like safe and taken care of and like we had what we needed, I
could do that. Because the most fulfilling

(43:45):
thing that I have ever done and that I even am am blessed enough
to continue to do is things likethat.
Like when the Hurricanes hit North Carolina and Texas and
stuff. Like I am blessed to be able to
raise a ton of money and then gogive it away.
It's the best feeling and it's the most fulfilling thing that
any human being I feel like can do.

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And so I believe the same thing about our country.
But you can't do it if you don'thave it.
Yeah, Yeah. And we can't keep creating it
out of thin air. Now, those were those were all
great analogies. And I love the analogy about
saving your family, making sure they're good, and then jumping
back in. I totally agree.
You know, like, I don't understand the Republican Party

(44:26):
right now. Just makes no sense to me.
Conservatives make no sense to me.
It's like it's like on on one hand, yeah, I'm, yeah, let's
seal up the border for sure. I'm good with that.
But then on the other hand, why are we sending billions of
dollars continuously to Ukraine and Israel?
That doesn't make sense. Like you want to seal up the
border and stop immigration because it costs money, but then

(44:49):
you're taking that same money and you're giving it away.
I don't even really know your political background.
Like, were you? I mean, I would imagine you've
leaned more Republican in your life than Democrat just by, I
don't know, the fact you have a patriot hat on.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, man, I really wasn't very political at
all until like 2016. I mean, I woke up in 2001 with

(45:15):
with 911. Like that's when I that's when I
kind of got the hobby. I I was more, you know, it was a
hobby of being a conspiracy theorist just because I was
like, this is bull crap. I'm from.
Upstate New York, you you thought that back in 2001, like
when it happened, you were like,this is not.
No, it was like a, to be fair, it was like a couple years
later, right, because I was young, but I'm from upstate New
York, OK. And so like, it was probably a

(45:38):
few years later, I don't know exactly when, but it was, it was
definitely like around that timeand I, I started to kind of
become the closet conspiracy theorist.
Just like I would just dabble. It was just fun to like look
into the stuff for me, right? But I was never vocal about it.
It was never something that I felt like I needed to be vocal
about. But it LED up to really in 2020

(46:00):
when I saw everything that was happening with the BLM riots.
I knew what it was. I saw it for what it was.
And like, I thought a lot more people understood that stuff
too. Like I, I thought way more
people understood the power of the mainstream media and the
propaganda that they used to spin narratives than than really
did. Like, so when I started speaking

(46:22):
out, it was in 2020, I made, I just, I decided to, I basically
decided to gamble on whether or not I was going to burn the
platform on social media that I'd created over the last 10
years. I probably had, I probably had,
I don't know, 1015 thousand followers maybe that I built in
my sales and business career. Yeah.
And I worked really hard at it. And then one day I was like, I

(46:46):
got to say something like, I know this is manufactured.
I know they're creating a divide.
I know that this is all bullcraprace war stuff.
And I even know what they're going to do for the next three
years. And I was like, I got to say
something. My wife is like, you're crazy.
You're going to burn everything to the ground.
They're going to think you're crazy.
And I was like, yeah, but like, if I know that I should say
something and I don't, what is what is he going to say 10 years

(47:07):
from now when he asked me, Dad, what did you say?
And I say I didn't. I stayed quiet, you know, And so
I did. I said, F it, dude.
And I one day I turned my phone around and I started talking
and. And this was this was BLM
leading into COVID or did you? Start BLM leading into COVID.
This is when. This is when they were stacking
bricks and. Burning the cities down and

(47:29):
like. So what I did was I'm a big
movie buff and I love productionand I'm a creative.
And so I started using Instagramstories to make these mini
films. I would, I would literally make
them in my Instagram story with text and colours and like I
would use the paint tool and I basically made these mini films

(47:50):
and then saved them as highlights on my page that
people could watch. And dude, it got to a point
where they would have date nights and they would be
watching I winster movies and I would do countdowns and drop
them on a Friday night and like they were 20 minute long.
I I have some on I have some on Northwoods on JFKMK Ultra.

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I have a massive 4 part series on Julian Assange.
Ohh, that's amazing. Yeah, my God, that's amazing.
So that's how people really likefound me.
That's how things like, started to blow up.
Yeah. But I, what happened was I, I
just started to think about it and I was like, I have worked
for so long to build influence on social media because I really

(48:31):
did like, I, I genuinely wanted to be a force for good.
And I was like, I don't want to be the conspiracy theory talking
head. Like there's so many of those.
I want to do something better than that.
And that's when I decided to use, you know, because at this
point I probably had 60,000 followers.
And so I rallied everybody together.

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And what we actually did was we raised money for small
businesses that were going, thatwere, that were basically going
to have to close their doors during COVID, during the
lockdowns, we raised like several $100,000, saved multiple
businesses. Yeah.
And and then from that I was like, OK, this is cool.
By the way, I still had my career.
I was still working full time asthe CMO of a major sales

(49:14):
company. And and so I was like, OK, this
is cool. But like, how do I really, you
know, because I knew something about marketing.
So I was like, OK, now I have toget these people to like band
together because I'm trying to create a community.
I'm not just trying to create this one off like raise money
and do this following. I want to create a community.
And so I realized all these people had one thing in common.

(49:36):
They were so patriotic. They love the country, they love
their people. They wanted to support these
businesses. And not one time did anyone ever
ask me, is the business owner black?
Are they white? Are they wearing a mask?
Are they vaccinated? Like no one, not one person ever
asked that. They just threw money and
resources at these businesses because I said so and because it

(49:58):
was a business and, and a fellowAmerican that was in need.
And so that's when I made the Patriot Tea.
I, I literally made this T-shirtright here.
Oh. That's awesome.
That's awesome. It's the first one I ever made,
and I was like, man, it would becool if we could sell, you know,
fifty of these. Hit hit, hit the tell people the
website 'cause I do want I'll put it all on the it's.

(50:19):
Officialpatriotgear.com. Officialpatriotgear.com OK, I
want people to go to that. All right, give me give me What
do you think's going on with Candace Owens, man?
Give us give me your take on that and I.
Dude, I, I think Candace is justdoing what Candace does.
That's the funny part. Like Candace is an investigative
journalist at this point. She's not just a, you know, for
the longest time I think she spoke more on like pop culture

(50:42):
and stuff like that. She definitely spoke on
politics, but now she's become much more of like an
investigative journalist. And I think that's a natural
progression because of her following and the trust that her
that she's been able to build with her following.
People trust her to the point where they will send her Intel
and send her information and know that she's going to do the
right thing with it. And so dude, Charlie and Candace

(51:04):
were like best friends. They really were up until the
very end, people. People have tried to discredit
that. And you know, that's the other
thing. I think that's what activated
her. I think, yeah, I think she was
on a tear to figure out what wasgoing on because she knew that
the official narrative was bull crap.
But I'll be honest, I think the number one thing that like
radicalized her to the point where she's like, I'm going to
go, I'm going to, I'm going to go hell on earth to figure out

(51:27):
what's going on with this. It's when they started to try
and say that they weren't friends and that they weren't
close because she's like, what are you talking about?
Yeah, yeah, I, I will tell you this.
It's very interesting that little group of, you know,
conservative social media influencers, Officer Tatum,
Benny Johnson, Dinesh D'souza, You know, there's a there's a

(51:49):
there's a there's a network of let's say 15 of them.
I think somebody gives them talking points because every day
it's like they hammer the same thing.
And then all of a sudden I'm seeing the same message about
Candace being this or someone being that or Tucker Carlson
being this. Actually today, today it's all

(52:09):
about, you know, Tucker Carlson having Nick Fuentes on.
And you know, this would discuss, yeah, why would you
platform this Nazi and this anti-Semitic whatever.
But it's so there's such a common thread said many times.
Even with the way they word things, it makes me realize
there's there's somebody disseminating those talking

(52:31):
points for the day. So I would not, I'll say this,
as far as the pro Israel and anti Candace and anti like
Tucker and all that kind of stuff, I cannot confirm that
there's 100% any kind of like agency or someone who is feeding
them talking points for that specifically.
Although I don't doubt it at all.
And the reason why I don't doubtit is because I already know

(52:53):
that there are agencies that feed talking points, specific
talking points for other issues politically and socially to
these same influencers. And the way I know that is
because I've worked for one of their agencies.
Not. Funny, there's multiple agencies
out there. And here's the thing about it.
It's one thing like when I worked for it and when I say

(53:13):
worked, what it means is they found me and they said, hey, we
have all these different companies and organizations that
basically come up with these campaigns and they feed us these
campaigns and then we push them out to the influencers and the
influencers choose whether or not they want to do it.
And it's based on clicks, subscriptions, views.
It might be based on just just opening the page.

(53:36):
Like it's all different. Every single campaign has a
different, a strategy and a different like action, right?
And then every one of them has adifferent price.
You could be paid $1.60 for every subscription.
You could be paid $4.00 for every subscription.
You could be paid $0.60 for every time somebody clicks on
the link. It depends.
It's all different, right? And, and so I'll say this, why

(53:58):
did I get involved with this organization?
And honestly, I, I'm still technically involved with them.
I haven't done one of their campaigns forever, but it's
because there are campaigns thatcome across, you know, like the
last one I did I think was for the VA.
It was all about raise awarenessabout how there's so many holes
in the VA and the service isn't fast or efficient for veterans

(54:18):
and make it was like make a video and talk about that.
And it was paid. I was paid based off of views
and I was like, yeah, I do that all day.
Like 'cause that's something I believe I.
Actually believe in that cause. Easy, right And there's been
other things that are like it, it might be based on like going
after big pharma or or whatever.Now I will say some of them you
have to really deep dive becausethey hide things in there, right

(54:40):
and and you have to be really, really careful about what
organization you're supporting. So like, for example, I put out
a few things for Prager you for a while before I ever knew about
Dennis Prager and his like his weird being OK with child porn
and like all this other stuff. And like once I figured that
out, I was like, OK, never again, right?

(55:01):
But you know, you live and you learn.
Point is though, if you're doingit that way, dude, I don't have
any problem with that. If you actually believe in it
and if you're actually pushing it because it's a good cause,
great, fantastic, do it. But if you're the type of person
that's literally, and these are the type of people, they'll just
push every single campaign that comes their way because they're
making the money off the campaign and they don't really

(55:23):
care what the, you know, what the message actually is, No.
Totally. Totally.
That's that's a whole other story when you just become a
prostitute for political activism.
And then the whole theory, I mean, not theory, but I think
it's true. You know, Netanyahu met with a
bunch of influencers, and that'snot he.
Did there's video? Yeah, and then and then they
those guys got paid 7 grand a post or something.

(55:45):
That's what they're saying. That's what they, that's what
they say. And so like, so, so to go back
to, to the Tatums and the, the, you know, the DC, DC Dranos and
those guys and stuff like look at the end of the day, I don't
know if they're getting paid or if they're getting specific
talking points for the Israel stuff or the Candace and Tucker
stuff. But I know they get specific
talking points for all the otherthings.

(56:06):
And you can actually tell if youpay attention and you watch
Tatums stories, for example, every once in a while he'll post
like a black story that just hastext and a link.
That's what that is. That's exactly what that is, and
it's always some random thing that doesn't have anything to do
with anything else. But he's doing it at times of
high engagement because the morepeople that click on that link,
the more money he makes. Now, as far as the seven grand

(56:27):
goes, I think there are definitely influencers that
they're paying the seven grand to.
I don't think that's a that's a question.
But when I say that these influencers are paid off, I'm
not always talking about money, because what I think a lot of
people forget is that the Xaviours of the world, for
example, I don't even know how to say his last name, but you
know. What I'm talking about but the

(56:48):
black guy on Prager U that has like blonde hair.
Xavier makes videos like this will just explain it to
everybody. The when when Xavier makes his
like video his his viral tik toks or whatever he's doing it
from a place in his house where he has his credentials and his
party invites hanging on his wall like trophies.
Yeah, OK. Like if you're hanging your

(57:12):
credentials on the wall like a trophy, you are exposing
yourself for the extremely insecure person who is
constantly seeking validation and attention.
That's what that means. That means that that party
invite is, like, so important toyou.
So what am I getting at? I don't think those people are
paid. I think they're too stupid to
get paid, I think. I think instead they're getting

(57:34):
paid with the party invites and the handshakes and the
validation and the press. Like dude, listen, I'm going to
expose someone right now. Yeah, do it.
Amazing. So, so this guy Cam Higbee, he
goes on the Israel trip, OK, He goes on the Israel trip.
He does this massive propaganda campaign.
He posts multiple times about there's, there's the they're

(57:55):
saying they're lying about the aid in Gaza, blah, blah, blah.
He takes a picture on a tank like it's a photo shoot, right?
Him in his little, his little man purse with his, with his
bulletproof vest looking all anyway like he does this whole
thing right? And I literally said while he
was doing it, I was like, watch,when he gets back, this is

(58:16):
what's going to happen #1 he's going to have an unreal amount
of money all of a sudden becausethey're going to pay him to do
it or he did it to for the access.
And they're going to prop him upand they're going to give him
notoriety. They're going to give him press.
They're going to give it, they're going to put him in the
public eye. And sure enough, you guys can go
look this up. I have all the receipts, but you
can go look it up. As soon as he got back, he

(58:39):
started to do his podcast more. All of a sudden now, right now
as we speak, he is on campuses doing a Charlie like, kind of
like a Charlie Kirk campus tour.It's called the Fearless Tour.
Fearless Tour, Yeah. Where he's literally doing the
exact same thing. He's been featured on Fox News
several times. He got a press badge, He met
Caroline. He was in that whole meeting

(59:00):
with Trump, with all those otherinfluencers for the press.
Conference for the press. And I think Trump called on him.
Trump had even called on him andsaid, Cam, what do you think
about? 100% and then they ran that
massive thing about him because he got attacked at the campus
and made it a whole big deal. And like he 100% was used not
because he was paid to do what he did.

(59:22):
He knew that by pushing that propaganda and by being that
freaking propaganda prostitute, prostitute, that he was going to
get what he really wanted, whichis affirmation and notoriety.
Because what you guys are watching, you are watching the
modern day evolution of politicians.
This is what our parents watchedwhen it came down to the media

(59:44):
personalities that eventually became politicians or or the
journalist that eventually became that got into politics or
whatever, right? It's the same playbook.
The only difference is the game has changed a little bit and now
it's all about the influencers are the ones that are going to
become the politicians we hate. So mark my words, people like
Tatum, people like Cam. People like all these people

(01:00:06):
that are just toeing the line and pushing the propaganda, they
are going to be the politicians that one day we profess to hate,
just like all the other ones. Why?
Because they're going to be the new Ted Cruz's of the world and
the new Lindsey Graham's. That's pretty crazy.
You're absolutely right. It's like it's Xavier from the.
City. What's that?

(01:00:26):
Xavier got the key to the city where he lives with the with the
Israeli flag right over the American.
Flag yeah, it's just amazing. I'll tell you what though, man,
they have opened up Pandora's box with this.
They've opened up Pandora's box,and I think it's all because of
the genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
It's caused everybody to take notice and it's not closing,

(01:00:51):
man. It is not closing.
I, I don't know where the rubber's going to meet the road
and what's going to happen, but it's, it's not, it's not
stopping, right. What?
What when you say what is not? Stopping, I mean, the
questioning of, let's say, everything Netanyahu's doing as
step one, but then taking it back to, OK, what really

(01:01:14):
happened with 911? What really happened with the
moon landing? What really happened with, you
know, Gaddafi? Was Gaddafi really that bad of a
guy? Saddam.
Saddam Hussein? What?
Was Saddam really that bad? Did Osama bin Laden really do
all that stuff then? Like, OK, did that kid really
shoot Trump? Was Trump's assassination

(01:01:35):
staged? You know what I mean?
Like it's opened up every singlequestion that could be asked.
This is kind of where. COVID, they think.
This is, this is a rough one, man, because this is kind of
where Ian Smith and I like, agree, right.
OK, Ian Smith and I disagree on a lot of things.
We also agree on a lot of things.
This is where I feel like Ian Smith and I meet, which is the

(01:01:57):
idea that look, at the end of the day, so much of this is just
bread and circuses. Like the reality is our system
is 100% controlled by a small group of people.
And that small group of people, it's always, it always comes
back to the same thing. Whether people want to admit it
or not, it comes back to the same thing.
It's the money, it's money, power and control, those three

(01:02:19):
things. Once you have the money and the
power controls the next step. Now, now it's now they're
working on the control piece. And so when I look at like an
Israel and when I look at UnitedStates, even dude, we are pawns
on a massive board. And this is where I feel like
when people hear this, it's like, oh, well, what's the point
anyway? So I'll get to that.
Give me give me a second. But the hard thing about the

(01:02:42):
Gaza thing, dude, it's done likeit's already done it.
And, and honestly, how much are you still hearing in the news
right now? For the last three or four days,
it's gone completely silent. And why?
Well, because they turned the freaking area into an ashtray.
There's nothing left. The only place that's left is is

(01:03:02):
Gaza City, and they just bombed the shit out of that too.
I think I read somewhere that they dropped the equivalent of
13 Hiroshima's on that place. 13Hiroshima's dude, the I, I read
another statistic somewhere thatsaid it was they, they've been
murdering like 16 kids a day since October.
So it's just, it's insane dude. And, and the hard thing about it
is it's done. Yeah, you're right.

(01:03:25):
It's over. They've they have done it and
now it's just a matter of what happens now.
And it's, this is the same thingthat has happened over and over
and over and over throughout history with this conflict is
they get to the point where it'slike, well, not really anything
we can do about that now. Like what are we going to do?
Create a 2 state solution and put these people in the

(01:03:46):
settlements that are nothing butrubble now?
Like it's already done. And, and the settlers are
already settled and their entirehome is already gone.
And Trump and this administration and who and, and
freaking, what's his name? Kushner and all these guys,
they're already involved in thismassive Gaza Riviera project.
They've already announced it. They've already announced the
digital tokens for Gazans or that they're just going to push

(01:04:08):
them out completely. They've already announced the
land grab. They've already announced the AI
cities. They've already like all of this
is now done. And so it's, it's not even like
a what can we do about this? Well, what we can do is sit back
and watch it happen. And you know, it's like so, so
what's so what's the point of itall?

(01:04:31):
I the reason why I speak up, Like really, what is the point
if we can't do anything about that?
It's so much easier not to sneakup, by the way.
It's so much easier. Not to have a podcast.
It's so much easier not to go onsocial media.
Just post what you had for dinner, post your name
misspelled on a Starbucks cup, you know, post the stupid shit

(01:04:52):
like half the people still do. It is so much easier not to do
it. But yeah, why do you do it?
It's not because I feel like I can change things on a massive.
Scale, yeah. It's not like I don't believe
that I can single handedly stop the war in Gaza.
I don't think anybody does. I don't think I can single
handedly uncover the truth aboutCharlie Kirk's assassination.

(01:05:13):
I don't think anybody does. But it's like if I don't, who
will, right, Because there are millions and millions of people
that not only don't think they have a voice, but also refuse to
be a voice. And so it's like someone has to
do it. And I have been blessed with
gifts and talents and I've been blessed with, you know, a

(01:05:35):
feeling of, I don't know, I, I've said this a couple times,
it sounds weird, but it's like in 2020, I feel like I was
called to do this. And because of that, I feel like
I can't stop. Like I just, I have to continue
to raise awareness, shine light on the darkness, be a voice for
people who don't speak up or, or, or, or feel like they can't.

(01:05:56):
And, and just continue to lead where I can and do what I can
with, with what I have. And, and be an example of, you
know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not the perfect father, a perfect
husband, but like, try my best to be an example for people as
far as fatherhood and, and beinga husband and, and a business
owner. And, you know, just being a

(01:06:17):
genuine authentic voice in a seaof propaganda and lies and
discord. And like, try my best to achieve
what I feel like I've been called to do, which is unite the
good. Yeah.
Well, dude, you're, you're doingit.
You Honestly. Are you're very refreshing kind
of common sense voice in this inthis sea of partisan.

(01:06:41):
That's really what what it's become.
It's become a sea of super to the right people and then all
the all the crazy liberal super to the left people who quite
frankly are are arguing over thewrong things.
You know, they're, they're arguing over the wrong things on
the left, on the liberal left, and then on the right, they're
trying to cover up what US people in the center want to

(01:07:03):
argue about. That's really it, man.
That's really it. I know, dude.
It's great. I mean, yeah, it's it's why.
Like, we still, we still don't know, by the way, who, who the
most prolific freaking pedophilein human history.
We don't know who we trafficked kids and underage women to for
decades as part of the most expansive blackmail operation on

(01:07:28):
the top elites of the world. We still don't know the answer
to that one. Like, ridiculous.
That's ridiculous. It's it's.
Crazy man, I just. Again, I just think that if you
feel like you have a voice, if you feel like you've been given
a voice, you need to use it evenif you feel like it's going to,

(01:07:48):
even if you feel like it's not going to be the number one thing
that topples the cards. Like my friend Bobby.
I don't know if you've had Bobbyon here yet.
Bobby, take naps. Bobby Sauce.
He's awesome. You should have them on for
sure. I'll do, I'll do.
I'll connect you guys. He, he's also very much like me,
very centrist, very willing and able to see all sides, offend
whoever, like it doesn't matter.It's just about freedom and

(01:08:08):
truth. And what he always says is, you
know, you, if you have the ability to speak up, do it.
Because at the end of the day, none of us know if we're really
going to make a difference. But at the end.
But but he also says that eventually the cream rises to
the top, right. Like we are in a place in a time

(01:08:30):
in history right now where, believe it or not, you have the
ability to cement your legacy inhistory and actually be somebody
of consequence. You don't know how that's going
to happen. I guarantee you, the people that
we still remember to this day from hundreds of years ago or
whatever, they didn't know that that's what they were doing.
It just happened because they were willing to step up and

(01:08:51):
lead. And it's so important to do
right now because so few people are willing to do it.
And I'm not saying you do it, you know, selfishly or whatever,
but like, I mean, Ray, I literally wear this on my wrist
every day. I've worn it for years and years
and years and years says leave alegacy.
Because I'll be quite frank, I don't care.

(01:09:13):
I literally could care less whatanybody thinks about me in the
moment. I literally don't care.
Like family, friends, colleagues, followers, I don't
care. I will say what I want.
I will do what I want. I will be myself.
What I care about is what peoplethink about me 10 years, 20
years, 30 years, 40 years, 100 years from now.
That's that's what and, and whatthey attach me to my kids and

(01:09:37):
what that means. And, and I know that the only
way to cement something that is meaningful there is by being the
most authentic, the most genuinethat I can possibly be and just
doing my best to like uphold my mantle that I've been given.
I love it, dude. I love it.
All right, listen man, I could. Talk to you for hours for a

(01:09:58):
longer time, but I really appreciate.
It I do want to do a. Follow up though, because I want
to get into the COVID stuff and and really get your thoughts on
all we could for sure. I think we we should definitely
get into the COVID thing. Because what you're seeing now
with the whole anti-Semitism thing in Israel and all that, I
mean, literally, guys, if you'relistening to this, just go
change the words. Go change anti-Semitism to

(01:10:19):
COVID, go change Israel to doctors, go change, you know,
propaganda to misinformation. You literally, it's, it's a
carbon copy of everything we we went through in the early
2021-2022. And so it's like all the like
the Dinesh dude, Dinesh was so on top of Covad.
It's like obviously he's been bought out.

(01:10:40):
I do believe he's been bought out, but it's like, how can you
not see this for what it is? And again, it's because of
religious cognitive dissonance. You know what?
Next one, let's deep dive the COVID thing because I think
that'll be. Interesting to really then bring
the parallels to what we're going through today.
And actually maybe that'll help people realize both things.
You know, you'll start to wake up.

(01:11:01):
Yeah, exactly. All right, brother.
Everybody follow Ian on Instagram because honestly, his
Instagram's one of my favorite. It's at Ian Wenster.
I'll put it in Wenster. I Winster.
OK, I'll put it. It's super complicated, dude.
I'm sorry. I I tried to change it at one
point. Because because Ian Went is my
actual name. I Wentster was my football

(01:11:22):
nickname. Oh, that's funny.
And when I started blowing up, Itried to change it, but then
people. Were like, Oh no I can't.
Find your thing. I was like, oh crap.
So it's I Winster, it's IWENDTSTER.
OK, so it's missing. It's missing the A and the N
from your first. Name exactly?
Well, IW, yes. OK.
All right. I'll put it in there.
And then and then official Patriot at gear.com.

(01:11:45):
All right, Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna go on and grab some all
right, dude, super enjoyable. And, and, and just keep doing
what you're doing using your voice again, like I said, I I
thoroughly enjoy your content and we'll have a follow up.
All right, everybody hope you guys thanks, bro.
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