EP#389 | GUEST | Kawa Mawlayee Uncensored: From Taliban to 9/11: A Green Beret’s Brutal Wake-Up Call - Deep Shallow Dive

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The following podcast is a deep shallow dive production.
And you're going to love it. OK, let's go.
I'm probably at the point where I'm, I'm not even nervous
anymore doing these podcast interviews, but I will tell you

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the thing I like to get right out of the way is the name
pronunciation, because yours is somewhat difficult to to
remember. All right everybody, Kawa Maui
is here and for anybody that's watching this on YouTube and
Spotify, again, I've said that before on other podcasts, but my
man's got a gorgeous gun wall rack behind him, which looks

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absolutely spectacular and so. A lot on my chair trying to show
you that. Yeah, exactly.
Let's start there, man. Let's start there.
I mean, give us your intro whereyou were born, where you're
from. I know you're Muslim.
And so this is going to be awesome because we're going to
really dive into the Muslim religion and understanding

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Sharia law, understanding what that all is and honestly trying
to break down the, the weaponization of religion, which
I'm a, I'm a huge believer in religion being weaponized by the
military industrial complex. And, and you're probably one of
the best people to talk about that.
So hey, welcome. Thank you.

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Thank you, Ray so much, man. You know, kind of like you, my
family came here when I was veryyoung.
So my family's from Afghanistan.We lived in Kabul.
We've been, you know, and I asked my when I asked my grand,
my grandfather and aunts and uncles how long we've been
there. It seems like we've been there
for hundreds of years. So we are Kabuli Afghans and
that's kind of important becauseAfghan Afghanistan is kind of

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tribal. So, you know, Kabuli Afghans are
different from Kandar Afghans, which are different from, you
know, other and because the country is very tribal.
But my family came here during the Soviet invasion when the
Soviets nine we had plans to leave Kabul and go to Pakistan.
My oldest uncle was already a a foreign exchange student here in
Lincoln or in Nebraska in Omaha,NE.

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And the plan wasn't to stay in in Pakistan.
The plan was to use Pakistan as a transition point to get to
America while our paperwork was pending for America.
And so we left Afghanistan in 81.
This was right after my father was killed by Russian soldiers.
And and then we lived in Pakistan for about 6 months
waiting for our paperwork to getcleared to come to the States.

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Yeah. And then we came to Lincoln, NE
of all places. I was five years old.
My sister was like 2. But just imagine like I have a
big family. So my mom, her sister, her
brothers, you know, a couple more kids and my grandfather got
us all out of Afghanistan with four different trips.
In fact, putting his own self indanger because leaving the city

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you had to go through Afghan army checkpoints.
Some of those Afghan army checkpoints were also the
Afghan, the Afghan faction that was showed that gave loyalty to
the Communist Party. Yeah.
So it's not like we were in goodhands with the Afghan army back
then. It was really just getting
through their checkpoints. And then once you get kind of
further down in Afghanistan, down down South, you run into

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Mujahideen checkpoints. And Mujahideen were basically
the early fighters that we wouldwe would call Taliban now, you
know, and they were freedom fighters.
Yeah. They.
These are people that defected from the government, defected
from the Afghan military becauseof the communist influence, and
they decided to kind of create amilitia just to fight the

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Russians on their own. We know them now as the
Mujahideen. What we know them now is the
Taliban, right? Like, would they be?
Would they be? This is so great I didn't even
realize there was going to be this layer.
I've actually been wanting to try and do an episode educating
basically the audience on the fact that the United States at

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one point, and correct me if I'mwrong, supported and backed the
Mujahideen because they were fighting against the Soviets and
communism in the 80s. So ironically the US went from
backing the Afghani, the freedomfighters known as the
Mujahideen, to then Fast forward2 decades later to 911 and the

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Taliban is the worst thing in the world.
But like but they're not the same right?
Like the Mujahideen? Did they become the Taliban?
Or are we talking 2 separate organizations?
Well, we got to include them because, you know, it's not like
the Mujahideen just went away. They got, they got, you know,
they got absorbed into what we know as Taliban today.

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So when we create, when the CIA in America created the Taliban,
they were supposed to be a mediator group.
They created them in Pakistan. And there were, you know, these
old guys, they're all Mujahideenfighters at one point that now
we're kind of higher echelon, you know.
And so the, the point of the Taliban was to be this mediator
group to go into Afghanistan andbring all the tribal warlords

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together. Because what do we do after,
after we help the Mujahideen defeat the Russians?
We just left. We just left Afghanistan.
We had no, we had no post battlefield plan as to well, how
do we create a government here? How do we reintegrate some of
these people back in? And it was what happened after
the US left or stopped supporting the Mujahideen was
that there was civil war in Afghanistan, civil because

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again, Afghanistan's history hasalways been tribal.
So when Afghans aren't fighting a foreign army or a foreign
occupier, they fight themselves for power and territory.
And so when the civil war happened, we created the
Taliban. We said, hey, go in there and
try to bring everybody together.But what really happened was the
Taliban went to Afghanistan and started taking guides with some
of these warlords. And then you had a big divide of

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two pieces. You had the Taliban and then you
had the Northern Alliance. OK, So we we created the Taliban
to go in there and mediate, but then we ended up joining.
Me, when you say we, let's pausefor a second because, OK, I'm
sure, I'm sure when you said it a few minutes ago, there were
probably some people like, wait a minute, did he just say the
United States, the United Statescreated the Taliban?

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Yes, yeah, the CIA. CIA created the Taliban.
I love that because. And that's that's open source.
I know that's open source, but nobody knows that, you know what
I mean? So like if you extrapolate that
out the the CIA created the Taliban, then the natural
question is, well, where does Osama bin Laden fit into that?
Did the CIA create him as well? It's also open source that he

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was ACIA asset, right? But nobody knows this stuff.
Give us your take on all that. No, nobody knows this stuff
because nobody, you know, with the smartphones, we have people
I think just don't want to do the research or don't know where
to begin. So I that's why I put these
little new segments out to kind of educate people.
But but yes, the CIA, specifically from the US
government created the Taliban as a mediator group.

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Now, did they know that they're going to go to Afghanistan and
take sides? Maybe, maybe not.
But then what happened was when they did take sides, we had the
Taliban and then we had the Northern Alliance.
So then who do we link up with in 2000, in 2001 to, you know,
to fight? We actually linked up with the
opposite of the group that we stood up with.
Got it right, which is almost. Are there an alliance right?

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So it's almost like, you know, we knew that the Afghans would
go back to Afghanistan from Pakistan and eventually take
sides. And we knew that there was going
to be some kind of opposition tothe Taliban from other Afghans
in the north possibly. And that was the Northern
Alliance. And that's who we actually
linked up with in Afghanistan tothen help train and all that and

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then fight the Taliban that way.But that's kind of the beginning
of the Taliban and their purpose, their purpose was short
lived, you know, and, and then we became who they are now.
And so yes, to go back to your question, I would say that a lot
of the old Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan probably later
became Taliban commanders or some kind of Taliban figure of

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authority when going into Afghanistan.
OK, OK. And so like, you know, obviously
the whole Osama bin Laden 911, you know, I'll tell you what
I've loved more than anything. Unfortunately for the
Palestinian people and Gaza happening, unfortunately for
them for sure. But man, that has opened up
Pandora Dora's box about everything and what the world

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has watched on our phones in terms of the genocide in Gaza
for two years. Not only has that opened up a
million questions about, let's say the state of Israel,
Netanyahu, all of that. People are going back and
they're questioning everything. JFK's assassination, the moon,
the moon landing, you know, 9/11, 911.

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Literally just the other day there was more and more videos
about building 7. How the hell does building 7
fall? It did not get hit by a plane.
It falls in a complete pancake. Looks identical to every other
controlled demolition. So this stuff is like Pandora's
box is open and it's not closing.
And by the way, I love Gen. Z for this.
Gen. Z is just they give zero fucks.

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They have they have no back history, they have no baggage.
They're just calling a spade a spade.
So as a as someone from Afghanistan, though, what do you
think Osama bin Laden was and where did he fit in all this?
Was he really that bad of a guy or was he a scapegoat or what
was he? Well, I think in Afghanistan he
played a viral role because, youknow, the bin Laden family is

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super rich, you know, and they own construction companies and
they have contracts. They have contracts with the US,
with all these different foreigncountries.
But I think bin Laden, what bin Laden brought to Afghanistan and
brought to the fight was the money and the influence that or
the really, I should say, his network of connections,
connections that he brought. And yes, we absolutely worked
with bin Laden. That's also open source.

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The CIA and bin Laden worked very well together during the
Soviet invasion. But then at some point we
stopped working with him and then we started to kind of
villainize him or paint him witha different, you know, with a
different brush as to who he actually was.
Now, was bin Laden, was bin Laden like a good person?
You know, maybe I don't think so, but it was.
But it was bin Laden capable of of planning such a elaborate

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terror attack such as 911 from some cave in Afghanistan?
I personally don't think he was.Yeah.
I don't think he was fully responsible for for 911.
And in fact, you know, there, I remember there was, you know,
there were sayings that bin Laden came out and actually
communicated with the governmentafter 911 and said that this
isn't, this is enough, we didn'tdo this.

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Yeah, you know, and but that's just, but it's like it doesn't
matter who's a good guy and who's a bad guy because what our
government is very good at is we're very good at working with
people regardless of whether they're bad or good, but we're
also very good at making them look bad when we need to 100%,
you know, 100. And so that's it.
We use them as pawns, right. I served the military for 23

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years, you know, 5 in the MarineCorps, the rest and special
forces. And I could almost, someone
could argue that Kabul, Well, you were a pawn for all the
forever wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I would say, you know what, man?
Technically you're right, you know, but that I don't look, my,
I don't, but I don't, I don't, you know, what I do on a
personal level or on, on my individual level now is, you

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know, it doesn't matter to me what I did as far as the bad
stuff. Or let's say you say, well,
Kawa, you were one of those terrorists too, because you went
into Iraq and you killed people or you went to Afghanistan, kill
people. Well, maybe I did.
Maybe I am a bad guy. But you know, everybody tries to
repent for what they do. And that's why what I do now is
shared knowledge and share my perspectives, not just as a

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political commentator, but as a Green Beret who has 23 years in
the military, who has been to Iraq and Afghanistan several
times, other places in the Middle East.
And as a Muslim, I'm very familiar with their cultures and
traditions. Rapport building is very easy
for me, you know, and, and so tosay bin Laden was a terrorist,
Yeah, okay, let's agree on that.He's a terrorist.

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But to say that he was responsible for 90, I would I
would have to disagree with you.I'm with you on that.
I'm with you on that. And The funny thing is to say
bin Laden was a terrorist, I'm not going to mention the names,
but I could mention some very well known American and other
country politicians that I wouldcall them terrorists.
You know what I mean? Like the definition of terrorist

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to me is something that quite frankly could be applied to
people that many people call world leaders.
So what was that? So you're, you're, you're
Afghani Muslim and then you're going into Iraq and Afghanistan.
Like man, that's and by the way,if any of this is like difficult
to talk about, you don't have toanswer if I if I touch a nerve

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or something, but man, you kind of had to be torn, right?
Like what was that like? So this is a question that I
often get is what what, what wasit like to be a Muslim, you
know, and then part of a military that went into a Muslim
country and possibly was killingother Muslims.
That was something that I dealt with early on during OAF One
when we invaded Iraq because I mean, it's like you're going

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through these motions, OK? I'm an infantry guy.
This is what we trained for. And then, you know, I got my
Marines to my left and right andwe're going.
To go and by the way, Oifi forget what that stands for
operations. Yeah, Operation Iraqi Freedom.
OK. So Operation Iraqi Freedom, it
was, OAF One it was, you can call it the invasion of Iraq,
2003. Was that Desert Storm?

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Was that Desert Storm or no? No, Desert Storm was in the 90s.
Oh, the Desert Storm. Was in.
We're talking about, yeah, we'retalking about like after 911
this. Is George W Bush OK?
This is George W George. W Bush OK, going after weapons
of mass destruction and, you know, kind of.
Did they ever find those weaponsof mass destruction, by the way?
I haven't heard one piece of Intel from anywhere that we

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found weapons of mass destruction.
In fact, I haven't heard, I haven't seen one credible piece
of evidence to say that he had chemical weapons.
Now there was traces, there is traces of chemicals inside of
some of these warehouse, but there's no traces of weaponizing
those chemicals. Yeah, yeah, that's that.
That same could be said for Bashar al-Assad in Syria, but

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that is another conversation. All right, finish on, finish on
the question that you get a lot being a Muslim going into Muslim
countries and then potentially having to really inflict
potential harm on innocent, innocent other Muslims.
Yeah, that's, that's rough, huh?I think it came to me.
It came to me after our first firefight.
Our first firefight was two weeks after we invaded the Iraq

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border and we got ambushed by about 300 Iraqi Republican
Guard. So we had to dismount out of the
amphibious assault vehicles thatwe were in to get online and
basically counter this ambush. And we get through this, we get
through this ambush about four hours later and we're all
getting accountability of everybody and we have everybody
except we. Our very first firefight in

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Iraq, we lost 4 Marines and a Navy Corpsman.
And but then I when, you know, when you get done with, when I
get done with this firefight, I'm sitting there and I'm just
thinking to myself like, holy shit.
And by the way, help us visualize A firefight.
Are we talking, You said you getout of this amphibious vehicle.
Is that a tank? You're getting out of a tank.

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It's an Amtrak, and a lot of Marines and Navy people will
know what an Amtrak is. It's an amphibious assault
vehicle that that, you know, cango on water and land.
OK. But, you know, since we had to
cross certain bodies of water onthe way to Baghdad, it made the
most sense. But you have 13 Marines in this
thing packed in like sardines, you know, in the in the tops
will open up and everything. And then there's a ramp in the

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back that'll drop and you know, they're up armored.
So when those guys were shootingat us at these Amtrak's, I mean
they weren't penetrating, but weheard the tinks Tink, tink,
tink, tink, tink. We heard that.
And then we get the 3DS, which is distance, direction and
description. Well, who is it that we're
fighting? How many are there?
Which direction? Once we get the 3DS, then
they're like ramps coming down and we're and, and Ray, at this

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point you have to understand that this is still a Garrison
mindset for leadership because they wouldn't even allow us to
load magazines into our M16A fours.
Even after we crossed Iraq. We were sitting with rifles, not
loaded. So all of a sudden we get
ambushed and now people are scrambling to put mags in their
rifles and rack that first. Round Why is that?
Like why didn't? Why weren't they loaded and

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ready to go? Because I think the lot of the
leadership that we had during the OIF or the invasion of Iraq
were not there for like, you know, they the ones that were
there for the Gulf War, I think retired.
And So what we had was a lot of leadership and senior and junior
leadership that never had been into combat or had experience
with combat. So I think a lot of the

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leadership was still in like a Garrison type mindset.
OK, OK. Once we got ambushed and we
loaded mags, our mags stayed loaded for the next nine months.
You know, I'm sorry, our Arkansas, our M16 state, you
know, we're just kept loaded forthe next nine months.
We just. But it was just, it's funny to
think about in retrospect because you're like you're
getting shot at and you hear thetanks and you're like, well, we

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know we're going to react to this ambush.
So like, can we load magazines already or not?
Yeah. And when we got that word, I'm
sitting here and I'm trying to load my magazine, but my hand is
just shaking so bad that I can'tgive my magazine in my M16.
And my buddy had to hold my handand say, Kawa, take a breath,
take a breath, load your magazine.
And, and that was it when the ramp came down, you know,

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immediately as the sunlight creeps in, you can see off to
the left where there's all thesesoldiers on top of this berm and
they're just, they're just shooting at our Amtrak's and
some of the Humvees that we had RPG's, RPK's Muller and fire.
And we got online and we rushed towards the enemy and we, we, I
mean, we overpowered them with fire superiority, not just from
our guns, but the Amtrak's. They had mark 19 grenade

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launchers. They had 50 Cal machine guns on
them. So the.
Big guns and all this like, likeif there, if there's a movie
that you can reference right nowI, I'm trying to, I mean, this
is wild dude. And you have to understand,
99.9% of people like obviously have never experienced anything
remotely like this. It's even hard to visualize

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sometimes. So I'm trying to paint the
picture. And by the way, how old were you
at this time? Are you like 2223?
If yeah, I was 22. Oh wow, 22 wow.
OK, so like I. But imagine.
Imagine driving. Imagine driving down a desert
Rd. in Utah or, or somewhere like in Arizona, and then off to
your off to your left is a berm with 300 soldiers just shooting

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at you. You know, hot sun, desert,
nothing but dust and you know, and you're and you're reacting
to these 300 guys shooting RPGs,small arms fire and everything.
And the, the, the protocol for us for a counter ambush is get
out of these Amtrak's as fast asyou can.
OK, get online. Get online as fast as you can.
What's that? Say get online, what does that
mean? I mean like we're all online.

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Like if we lay down like to my right, look to my left, I can
see all my Marines down. OK, OK.
Get on the ground. Basically get out of the ground
vehicle, get in a line. OK, got it.
Using the vehicle. As cover get on the get in the
prone which is laying down the ground.
So we have, you know, we make ourselves small, but then we
establish a base of fire. A base of fire is, you know, a

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base of fire is established onlyso that another element can move
forward. So what we're doing is we're
kind of leapfrogging each other.So let's say I take my team and
I rush 15 yards and I get down. Well, now it's my job to keep
their heads down so that you cantake your team, Ray, and you can
rush past us. Got it.
And then when you guys get down,you establish a base of fire and
then we maneuver, right? And this is this leapfrogging

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thing that we do to get to close, close distance within the
enemy using fire superiority. And it works like a charm.
It really does work and they're not picking you off while you
guys are leapfrogging. Like do some people get picked
off? I personally on the initial rush
towards the berm didn't see anybody go down, but later I
learned that we lost 4 Marines and a Navy Corpsman afterwards.

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Do you remember like, like, wereyou scared shitless?
Like, do you remember how you felt?
I know it was a long time ago, but like.
No, I remember exactly how I felt.
I was scared. I was scared.
I mean, my hand was trembling sobad that I couldn't get my
magazine in my in my M16. I mean, there is so I mean, I
was like scared. I was nervous, I was angry.

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And, and as soon as the ramp goes down, it felt like
everything was in slow motion. And this was the first time I
actually got shot at. And I don't even know what that
what that meant. Like when I saw little puffs of
dirt raising off the ground, I Irealized that those are impacts,
bullet impacts near me, not justme kicking dirt around.
Yeah. You know when you start hearing
the snap of the rounds going past your head when they're

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close enough and because they'rebreaking the sound barrier and
you hear a snap, that's how you know that you're actually
getting shot at. So, but all of that, if I can
describe it, was like so slow motion, man.
I felt like we had all the time in the world.
And at the same time, I felt like we were never gonna get to
this berm, but we did. And, you know, we finally made

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it to the berm, but a lot of the, I mean, we had a lot of
dead bodies on that berm from the Iraqi Republican Guard, but
then a lot of them also retreated to the far side of the
berm, which was this tall grassyfield.
At this point, we started getting to a Marine Cobra attack
helicopters on station for us. And they're basically telling
us, hey, you guys, you guys havea bunch of, you know, Iraqis in

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the in the tall grass, just so you guys know.
So then the Amtrak's move and they go around, they try to
flake these, these guys and now we're going through the tall
grass. But what I why I, why I bring
the tall grass up is because when we get to the other side of
the berm and we get down the berm and we see this tall grass.
I mean, we're talking about like1011 feet and the visibility was

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like just a few feet. It was so thick.
We're like breaking brush chasing these guys on foot.
But we have to remember to stay online because we don't want to
get ahead of each other and thenhave like, you know, somebody
gets shot by their own. And what I remember going, what
I remember specifically before we went into the brush, which
was I heard the call, the call echoed up and down the line, fix
bayonets. And I'm like.

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Fix bayonets. Yeah, fix bayonets.
What? So we take out our K bars and
our K bars were had the had the the locking mechanism that goes
on to the EMS and we know shit fixed our K bars to the front of
our rifles in case we were charged at by an Iraqi from the
brush. You know, like in case he
charged. And by the way, I mean bayonet

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worth like like I'm picturing like 1919 hundreds or something.
Seriously, like a like literallylike a sword, a sword attached
to the barrel of your gun. That's insane.
Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a
modern day K bar that's about 10-11 inches attached to your
M16 ready to stab somebody. And that's what it was.

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Because because you're in the 12feet of grass, so, so who knows
if somebody's all of a sudden going to charge through the
grass and then you can stab them.
Exactly because you may not havetime to pull the trigger, but
you may have enough time to thrust and stab them.
And so, you know, we heard fix bayonets.
And we're all sitting here like,OK, you guys fix your bayonets.
I'll pull security. OK, you guys are done.

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I'll pull security for me so I can fix my bayonet, you know,
and. But now bayonets are fixed and
we're running. We're not running.
We're walking through the tall grass like as if we were Elmer
Fudd hunting rabbit, you know, just kind of creeping, you know,
and we're staying online. I'm looking to my left.
I'm looking to my right. Yep.
OK, we're good. Let's stay online.
And every, every once in a whileyou hear like a bang, bang, bang

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like down the field or on the other side.
So you know some Marines shot atsomebody and then the Amtrak's
were actually flanking to our right.
So they're trying to go past theother side of the tall grass and
kind of cut them off over there.And that's what they did.
So between us going through the brush and the Amtrak's having
our left or excuse me, our rightflank, we were able to kill and
capture all these guys. In fact, that first firefight,

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we didn't capture anybody. Everybody was dead.
But then afterwards is where we had to do some of the admin
stuff like, well, which one's the officers and who are they
enlisted and like, do they have any Intel on them?
So we're like collecting all theofficers.
And how we knew that their officers back then was that
their shoes were slightly more red, not necessarily black.
The enlisted men had like black boots and the officers had like

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this brownish reddish kind of boot that kind of gave their
rank a waste. You know, you do all the, you do
all the post assault things likechecking for Intel, you know,
seeing if anybody's alive, giving medical treatment if they
are. But nobody was alive.
Everybody was dead at the. End of the How many people are
we talking about? I mean, we're talking about a
three, a little over 300 people.So then what happens to the

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bodies? Like what who?
Who takes care of the bodies? Who does anything with them?
Or do they just lay there? Well, the bodies that we hadn't,
we personally hadn't figured that out.
We knew that the Army at some point was going to come in
behind us and help collect the bodies, but that wasn't our job.
And as far as that first firefight goes, our job was to
get past the firefight and then give back in the Amtrak and

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continue to push towards Baghdadand engage as engage enemy as we
needed to. But to kind of answer that
question early on as to how a Muslim, me as a Muslim, dealt
with that, it was hard, man, I'mnot going to lie, it was hard.
After that first firefight, I, Ikind of got teary eyed.
I got emotional because I was like, man, did I just kill other
Muslims? Yeah.

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You know, And on top of that, we're not talking about
insurgents that came here to kill Americans.
We're talking about Iraqi men who voluntarily enlisted into
their military to help defend their from foreign occupiers.
And here I am thinking that we're the good guys.
In retrospect, I didn't know whothe good guys were.
Yeah. You know, like, are we the good
guys or are they the good guys for defending their nation, You

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know, and here we are slaughtering them.
So that was very difficult for me because in Islam they say
that when you kill one human being, it's as if you kill the
entire mankind. And when you and when you save
one human being, it's as if you saved the entire mankind.
And that is kind of the rules that we live by as Muslims.
First of all, don't kill anybody.
And if you do kill somebody, it's only in self-defense.

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But even then, if they say, hey,we don't want to die, so we
surrender, then you as a Muslim,it's your duty to say, OK,
surrender then and maybe we can find a peace treaty afterwards,
right? Not necessarily with 300 Iraqi
Republican Guard, but I'm in general, we try to, you know,
try, we shoot for peace and thenwe introduce violence as a
self-defense method basically. And so.

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That's the perspective of a Muslim.
That's not the the perspective of the United States military.
So here you are, a Muslim in theUnited States military, I guess.
Did you ever come into a situation where you needed to
make a choice between those two?Do I handle this as a Muslim or
do I handle this as a as a Special Forces Green Beret?

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Well, I mean, at the time, you know, I was, I was a young
Marine in the infantry and I hadI had my brothers to my left and
my right. These are guys that I, these are
guys that I went through boot camp with, through the school of
infantry with. We came to the fleet together.
And by the time we got to Iraq, we've been together for a little
over a year. And you know, to answer your

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question, it's like, well, how do you deal with that?
I just had to come to terms withtheir Ray to say.
Look, I get it. If I have to kill somebody, then
I'm going to kill somebody. But I don't necessarily want to
go around just killing people. At the end of the day, as long
as my Marines to my left and right, they're safe and we get
home safe, then I'm just going to do what I have to.
No, I get that. I get that.
And you know what, You know what?

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I think what everybody needs to realize, myself included, is
this is 22 year old version of you.
You know, the, the the I don't know how old you are now, but
let's say the 40 year old version of you or the 42 year
old version of you 20 years later.
Maybe you can think about it sort of the way I'm questioning
it right now. But you're absolutely right.

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Like, like my questions not evenvalid to the 22 year old version
of you because the 22 year old version of you, you are there
for that reason. And and and and quite frankly,
you're no different than the American do to your right, who
grew up in Topeka, KS. So I get that and I respect him.
Actually, And so it really came down to a simple fact, you know,

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do do I really care about these men that I'm shooting at?
Yes, they are Muslim, but I lookto my left and I see people that
I've known like brothers. I look to my right and these are
these guys are people that came to my house.
They met my kids, they met my wife, you know, like I fully
trust and confide in them. So at the end of the day, I
said, no, it doesn't matter who we're fighting.
I just need to protect myself and my Marines and get home

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safe. And that's it.
And that was it. That was the end of it for me.
It was emotional cuz I, you know, like, you know, we all
popped our cherries on that fight.
Cuz before then, nobody in the unit, in my Marine unit had any
combat experience. We were all very, you know,
junior kind of leadership. Nobody that I had served with
was in the Gulf War. So this was everyone's

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opportunity to kind of understand what an actual
firefight looks like. This is everything we've been
draining for. And now we are understanding the
emotional roller coaster, the adrenaline that's pumping, you
know, the thoughts of I mean, look, I'm Muslim and I'm and I
was struggling with killing other Muslims, But what about
the men to my left or right who are Christian?
Christians are also not allowed to just kill people that are,

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you know, that are innocent. So, and at the same time, it
didn't matter to me if these were Muslims or Christians to my
left or right, because they're my brothers I love.
These guys. Yeah, yeah.
I think that superseded everything at that time that
people to your left and honestly, I get that and I
respect that. And the, the 22 year old version
of you or the 42 year old version of you that still

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probably holds like, you know, I'm not a religious person.
I think I've shared this with you in, in our private
conversations. And so, you know, one of the
things I'm trying to really helppeople understand and, and even
educate myself continually on is, you know, I love religion
for the people that love religion for the clarity that it

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gives them. OK.
I hate religion for the people that use religion to basically
create narratives against other people.
And right now more than more than anything, that's what I see
happening between Christians andMuslims.
You know, like I think I shared,I had Reverend Munther Isaac,

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the Palestinian Christian reverend from Gaza, and I asked
him, I said, hey, you're a Palestinian Christian, do you
like Palestinian Muslims? And he basically said we love
each other. We absolutely love each other.
Now, do we get along on everything?
No. Do we have the same theology on
everything? No.
But fundamentally. And when I posted that clip on

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Instagram, I mean it's wild, they got 100,000 views,
thousands of comments. And the comments were a Muslim
person saying I love my Christian brother, followed by a
Christian person saying I love my Muslim brother, followed by
the Muslim loving the Christian.So dude, it's infuriating to me,
the weaponization of religion, you know, it really drives me

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crazy. And, and, and one of the things
I was excited for you to shed light on is kind of how that
plays out in the military and then and then really just how
that plays out overall for you. Well, I mean, religion is
definitely a complex topic. And I agree with you.
I love religion for the fact that it gives people structure,
it gives them faith and it givesthem, you know, like some, some

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degree of clarity to life, life.And you know, as a Muslim,
Muslims don't hate Christians. Muslims don't hate Jews.
We accept Jews and Christians because they are people of the
Abrahamic faith. In fact, it would be, it would
be a sin for me to, to treat Christians in a bad way or to
say that I hate Christians. It would be a sin for me to say
I don't believe in the Bible or the Torah because as a Muslim,

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we accept the Torah. We accept the Bible.
The Torah was given to Moses. The Bible was given to Jesus,
the Quran was given to Prophet Muhammad, and these are all
prophets and messengers. But no Muslim can sit there and
say, you know, we hate Christians because that's not
where is that nowhere in Islam does it teach you to hate
Christians. And that's one of the biggest
things I get from ignorant people online is they'll throw

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out a verse or they'll say something like, well, Muslims
are over there killing everybody, you know, And I'm
just like, you know, in religion, religion is, is a very
easy way to build common ground with people.
Totally, totally if, if and it'sa very easy way to gain, to gain
support for A cause. So if I were to say you're
Muslims, you should be defendingyour land.

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These are infidels occupying, weneed to band together because
these infidels are dude, I wouldget Muslims to join up on that,
just like I would get Christiansto join up on that if they, if I
told them, Hey, these are Muslims trying to attack you.
You know, we need to so I can, Ican weaponize religion very
easily. I can misconstrue the verses or
the ideology and then use it to weaponize people.

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And I'll tell you what, man, a lot of the Muslim terrorist
organizations, half those guys don't even know how to read.
Yeah, yeah. Just listening to, they're just
listening to some religious clerics saying we got to kill
the infidels and they're like, OK, well, let's kill the
infidels. You know, it's almost like green
watching. And it's the same thing in
Christianity, It's the same thing in Judaism.
You know different aspects of itwill create extremism.

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And the problem is those clerics, that's the problem.
The problem is those clerics, those politicians, those people
that are, are, are praying on these uneducated, whatever
denomination or religion they are uneducated people and then
really brainwashing them under the guise of whatever religion

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they want. Let me ask you this about these,
about these, you know, again, quote, UN quote, jihadist
organizations. What's blown my mind and we've
talked a little bit about the Taliban.
We've related that to the Mujahideen, which the United
States back to the Mujahideen and then the then the Mujahideen
in many ways becomes the Taliban.
A quick little recap for everybody.

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And then all the sudden they're the enemy.
That right there should put off a red flag for everybody.
OK, Step 2. ISIS, al Qaeda.
Here are two radical Muslim organizations, or at least
that's how they were built. And that's how they are PRD,
whom supposedly hate Israel. They hate the Jews, like

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viscerally. But then here's what's wild.
They never attack Israel. They never attack the Jews.
So like, what gives? I just don't get it.
What gives? Oh man, we can talk about this
for hours, Ray, but I but I will.
I'll try to summarize it this way.
I suppose the US government, andI don't want to say just AUS

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because this has been happening since the dawn of time, being
able to use proxies to do thingsfor US1.
Maybe because we don't have enough men, maybe because we
don't, we can't, you know, we have nobody in that area.
And so we're very good nowadays.It's solely because we just
can't go to war with every country.
We cannot call, you know, we cannot say we're going to go to

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war with Syria. And that's, and that's a war, a
theater of war. Now, you know, what we can do is
we can send operations units into a country to operate, but
that doesn't mean that we're at at war with that country.
You know, it's not it's not castas belly, right?
But and so the family, we use our soft units to go do specific
things. It's the same concept.
If we want to, let's say, stage a coup in Libya and and throw

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Gaddafi out, then we're just going to find somebody in Libya
through our intelligence networkthat opposes Gaddafi.
And we're going to say, hey, youguy will help, will help you
organize, will weaponize you, will fund you.
But then what you need to do is you need to take out Gaddafi,
right? And that's how these proxy
militias get born, or you know, how they start, is that we need
to, we need to, we need to, we have an objective somewhere in

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the world that we need to execute to some degree, but we
just can't declare war on this country.
So let's use our Intel sources to find some boots on the ground
who are local natives that can do our bidding for us.
And when I look at Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Nusra
Front, Al Shabaab, a lot of these proxy militias were

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created, funded and organized byparts of the US military and CIA
and UK and Israel to do our bidding in certain countries.
You know, and that's why al Qaeda has never once even looked
at attacking Israel. That's why ISIS has never even
once looked at, you know, attacking Israel because that's

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not their job. Their job is not.
And their job is not to attack the enemy or the perceived
enemy. Their job is to continue to, to
perpetuate conflict and destabilization of a nation so
that we can have, we can have some kind of leverage with that
nation to say, hey, you know, we'll come to your aid or, you
know, we'll give you, we'll giveyou XY and ZI.

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Mean, look at Nigeria and Sudan,right?
The UAE controls the RSF in Sudan.
The RSF is a rapid support forces.
These are the guys that are going around just slaughtering
Christians and Jews are sorry and Muslims in, in Sudan comes
in and come. And then when you look at it,
you realize that UAE is the one funding these guys.

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They're like, well, why are theyfunding these guys?
Well, the objective is in Sudan is to gain control of the gold
mines. There are 6 very large gold
mines in Sudan. And a lot of that gold is now
controlled by the RSF, which they use slave labor to mine.
Yeah, extract and then export itor ship it to UAEI mean, just in
2025 alone, UAE has received over $900 million of gold from

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Sudan. That's insane.
Sudan is sitting on 1000 tons ofgold.
So you see that UAE wants something.
They can't declare war on Sudan,so they find somebody that can
do their bidding, they give themthe money.
But in this case, this is a collaboration between UAE and
Israel. Israel is the one that
weaponizes the RSFA. Lot of their weapons are Israeli

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made. The LAR rockets, those are
Israeli. So.
But that's the concept and that's the playbook, you know,
and that's how we stage coups. I mean, we've staged 51 coups
since the inception of the of the CIA in 1948.
And that is our playbook. If we can't declare war on the
country. Yeah, if we can't declare war on
them, then we then we then we basically unleash our attack

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dogs. Yeah, right.
Exactly, exactly. There's that Confessions of the
Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, where he basically
talks about the playbook, you know, the playbook.
And that playbook always happenswith countries that are rich in
some natural resource or some type of mineral or some type of
commodity that again, the the powers that be, the power

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structure in the Western world wants.
So I love when I see the memes of like gold is discovered in
Uganda and then all of a sudden you'll see a bald eagle and
it'll be like, send in democracy.
Yeah. I mean, look at Fred.
France is doing the same thing in Burkina Faso.
Yeah, France is extracting gold out of Burkina Faso and then

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they're sending it to. And then look at Nigeria.
I mean, what's happening in Nigeria right now, right.
Nigeria is the number one producer of agriculture and
lithium in all of Africa, right?And so it's, it's, it would be
in anybody's best interest to goin there and strike a deal with
these people and say, hey, man, like let's do a trade here.

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But if Nigeria says no, no, no, we want to keep this for
ourselves and our people, well, then it's OK.
You don't have to say yes. Because now what I do is I'm
going to, I'm going to activate in this case Boko Haram, right?
And have Boko Haram just basically attack your military,
attract, attack your government until it's destabilized enough
where then you'll say, OK, OK, like don't, don't, OK, we'll

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give, We'll give, right? Let's strike a deal, right?
And that's the playbook. And so we've been doing that as
long as America has been able todo.
Business overseas, we've been doing that.
I mean, look at Central and South America.
You could talk about Noriega. Yeah.
I mean, we put Noriega in power and then we took him out of
power when he stopped working with us.
Yeah. And that's our playbook.
We put Saddam in power of Iraq, and then we took him out when he

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stopped playing along. I mean, we've done this.
Everybody. Gaddafi.
Everybody. Yeah, this.
Is absolutely, man, that is absolutely the playbook.
And I think, my God, it kind of goes back to the beginning where
we talked about like, Pandora's box has been open.
People are now they're connecting these dots and
they're taking it back to DwightD Eisenhower giving his address

(40:36):
about the military industrial complex to John F Kennedy, and
then John F Kennedy coming into power and realizing, hey, this
is a real thing. I want to pull my troops out of
Vietnam. So that was a hindrance to the
military industrial complex. At the same time with Kennedy,
you've got the situation with Israel, the Dimona, the the the

(40:59):
proliferation of nuclear weaponsat the Dimona power plant.
You had, you know, him pushing Ben Gurion on registering as a
foreign agent. So obviously the powers that be
didn't want that and. And do I forget about Cuba?
Yeah. Just posted a video.
I just posted a video about Operation Northwoods, right?
And just to show you this playbook guys, for the audience

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that's listening, our playbook doesn't just isn't just
exclusive to overseas. Our playbook, our playbook works
here in America very well. If you look up Operation
Northwoods, if Operation Northwoods was actually
executed, if JFK said, OK, I'm on board with this, that when
they executed Operation Northwoods, 10s of thousands of
Americans would have died that day.
It would have made 911 look likelike another weekend in Chicago,

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and in fact, I said that in the video.
That's great. That's.
Great. And the plan, the plan behind
Operation Northwoods was to attack commercial airliners as
they took off, use remote control airplanes to run into
buildings, kind of 9/11 style, attack cruise liners as they
were leaving the ports and attack maybe Navy vessels as
well. The point was to kill as many as
as many Americans as we could and then take that and blame it

(42:06):
on Cuba to justify war. OK.
So just think about what our government and military are
capable of when they want something done.
I mean, if JFK was less, less than a president that we
perceive him as, he would have put a John Hancock on there and
there goes Operation Northwoods.They would have executed 10s of
thousands of Americans. I mean, planes would have been
falling out of the sky. The twin towers may have been

(42:28):
hit earlier, you know, cruise liners.
I mean, it would have been chaos, but absolutely the
American people would have been angered enough to support going
to war with Cuba, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Man, Operation Northwoods is something not a lot of people
know about. You know, what happened in the
Gulf of Tonkin is something not a lot of people know about.

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I'll tell you the one thing thatnot a lot.
Of. USS Liberty.
There you go, man, there you go.USS Liberty.
But that has really come into the forefront.
And honestly, the credit goes toa guy named Phil Turney.
He's one of the US Liberty USS Liberty survivors.
And Phil wrote a letter to Candace Owens.

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It really resonated with Candace.
Candace brought Phil on her podcast.
And I think Phil had done a podcast with Jocko Willick, you
know, prior to that, but that really put the USS Liberty on
the map. And it's fascinating now when
you see these Turning Point USA events where the Gen.

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Z is standing up asking questions, every single one of
them from from Jeb Baugh, who I had on the podcast, to all these
other kids, they all cite the the USS Liberty.
They bring that up. And that was the ultimate
attempt at a false flag. And it's interesting, man,
people are waking up to to the truth.

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And it makes you realize it's like, have we been lied to our
entire lives? Like everything.
The short answer is yes. We have been lied to our entire
lives. And I'm glad that people are
waking up. And I think a big thing that
contributes to that is what happened October 7th in
Palestine, Israel is, you know, October 7th happened.

(44:14):
Since then you have. You have 70,000 people that have
been documented as as dead, killed by the IDF, and you have
another 250 to 300,000 estimatedunderneath all the rubble.
You know, now two years of war in Gaza, and I don't want to
call it war because it wasn't war.
The Gazans had no weapons. They had shitty rockets.

(44:34):
Otherwise they had rebar and broomsticks.
They're not. They have.
But when you. But two years of doing that
really, really shed a huge spotlight on that whole area,
the Levant, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria.
And you're right, Gen. Z kids are right now are the
heroes of our country because they're the ones that are
standing up questioning everything, saying why, why do

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we continue to send all this money to Israel?
What did they, how are they our closest ally when they don't
support us back? They didn't support us in Iraq.
I didn't see any IDF in Iraq. I didn't see any IDF in
Afghanistan. I didn't see IDF in Syria.
So what is it? How are they our closest ally?
And don't tell me that their Intel is what makes us, makes
them our closest ally, because their Intel capability obviously

(45:17):
fell short on October 7th, right?
Yeah, you know, and we can, I mean, we can get into October
7th and what I think about it. But the two years of seeing
what's happening over there through TikTok videos,
Instagram, all these things havealso contributed to the
awakening, or the noticing, as people are calling it, yeah, of
who the actual players are and what the actual objective is.

(45:37):
Yeah. No, no.
Totally. And listen, what happened in
Gaza is is nothing short of an atrocity.
But at the same time, those people are martyrs.
Why are they martyrs? Because look at now how the
entire world is waking up to what is happening and who the
actual players are. No, absolutely.
You know, you said something interesting.
You said they're Intel. It's not that good because it

(45:58):
fell short on October 7th. But did it fall short on October
7th? You know well.
That's why did. It know, I know, I know and all
right, all right, so that leads me into I do want to get your
take on Charlie Kirk because I shared this with you before we
hit record. Honestly, some of your some of
your videos have been some of myfavorite in terms of breaking

(46:19):
down the nonsense about Charlie Kirk.
Obviously Candace Owens is doing, you know, the she, she's
the leader of trying to and let's just call it get to the
truth. But let's start with you've got
this gorgeous gun rack behind you and I've seen your videos.
I know you know how to operate agun.
Let's start with the first thing, which is this 30 ought 6,

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which now the whole country knows that terminology.
I mean, is there any chance a gun that, from my research is
that powerful could go in his neck right here and just stop?
How does that make any sense? Well, I think that one's easy
Ray 30 out six is a very powerful round.
In fact, people use it for game.In fact, some people don't use

(47:06):
it for big game hunting because they say it does too much
damage. You know, they they want to
either retain the head of the big game or they just don't want
to like have this big massive hole in this thing.
So but like 30 out six for 30 out six to go through a human
neck. I think what we realistically
would have saw was Charlie's, Charlie's head hanging off his

(47:26):
body by just skin. You know, 30 or 6 is powerful
enough. If I hit you dead center in your
throat, it may be powerful enough to almost decapitate you,
you know, But if even if it doesn't decapitate you, it's
going to leave such a gaping hole on the entrance and then
especially on the out on the backside of that.
If it goes through that, it wouldn't have looked like what

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we saw in all the videos of Charlie Kirk getting shot.
What Charlie Kirk got shot with was something of small caliber
that was able to penetrate his neck, leave a small hole, but
also maybe strike a jugular or arterial vein that then spewed
all that blood. But it wasn't 30 out six, Ray.
There's just no way 30 out six, it wouldn't have got lodged in

(48:09):
his in his, it wouldn't have gotlodged in his neck, you know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
That that part of them describing him as Superman.
And, you know, his neck muscles were so strong that it stopped
the bones. His neck bones.
Yeah. Which by the way, I mean, I I
feel my neck. I don't really even feel any
bones in there. What are they talking?
About no, I mean, yeah, it's, it's weird.

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So 30 all six, there's just no possible way that 30 all six
could have done that. What are your thoughts on?
I mean, I personally think there's a lot of credibility in
the potential that that lavaliermic that he was wearing was what
shot some type of, you know, projectile.
And if you're saying there's thepotential of it being a small

(48:51):
hole, you know, kind of and thencoming out, that's what we saw.
Do you think is it, is it feasible that maybe that
Lavalier mic that he was wearingsimilar to the pagers that
exploded in Lebanon, is that feasible as being potentially
something that could have done the job?
I think it's very feasible. I think it's very feasible.

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I mean, you know, like it could have been something as small as
a 22 caliber, you know, bullet that went into his neck.
But you know, I think it's very feasible that his lavalier was
set up And yes, you know, like the the Mossad are very good
with, you know, creating, you know, electronics like the
pagers that went off and killed all those people.

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And I think, and I think that the lavalier mic is, is if we're
saying that there wasn't a shooter involved at all then and
it was the lavalier mic, I thinkthere is a lot of, there's a lot
of credibility there with the creativity of making that
happen. You know, we can sit here and
speculate. Some people say some lavalier,

(49:53):
some people say there's a guy tohis left or right.
You know, a lot of people say that the entrance wound was
behind the neck and this was this was the exit wound.
Yeah, I personally believe that it had to be something that
struck him from the front and and never, never made an exit,
which would imply maybe a smaller caliber, which would
also be feasible for a lapel micto hold.

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And so that makes the most sense.
Otherwise, you know, when you see the angle of the shot, if
you don't believe that that was an exit wound, then you have to
believe that that was an entrance wound.
And then that would imply that it was somebody to his kind of,
you know, 1:50, we're looking ata clock.
But here's the thing. We don't have to do a lot of
guessing on what it was because there's a lack of transparency

(50:35):
from authorities. That's why we're sitting here
having to put on our detective hats is because the FBI won't
share anything. And what they do share is very
edited and and distorted. And they only share what they
want to, you know, so we're, where else do you want to go
with Charlie Kirk? I don't think I'm 30. 6.
No, I'm totally with you on that.
You know, I've posted a couple videos where there is KSLR

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cameras literally right in frontof Charlie less than 10 feet
away that are absolutely pointing directly at his head
and ironically at his neck or athis at the right side of his
neck. Where where what, what I think
was the exit wound that that we saw, the blood spurting that we
saw. I mean, there's a four KSLR
camera pointed directly at that.There's a four KSLR behind him.

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There's so many, you know, around him not to, not to
mention all the people with cellphones that were videotaping.
So like then I think that. Including his own security.
Yeah, including his own security.
And the Ray bed glasses. Don't forget about the Ray bed.
Yeah, yeah. What was what was the deal with
that? I didn't dig into that too much.
What did they say that guy was doing?

(51:43):
Just videotaping it all with hisRay Bans.
Yeah, So what happened was they went back to older Charlie Kirk
talks when he was doing college visits and they paid attention
to his main security guy. And that main security guy would
always touch his Ray Ban Meta glasses.
And we know for a fact that they're Ray Ban Meta glasses
from other videos where we have a clearer picture of it.

(52:03):
I don't know what he was able torecord on those meta glasses.
But why aren't, why do we not have the footage from that,
right. Just like the two DSLR S, Why do
we not have the footage from that?
You know, I mean, we can go downthe rabbit hole.
Why did they pave the whole areatwo days later?
Yeah, that was so weird. The whole Charlie Kerr thing, to
me, what makes people like us justified to go down our own

(52:27):
rabbit holes is that our administration and our own FBI
and other counterparts in the government just don't want to
give us the answers. Yeah, You know, they just, they
just want us to accept the official narrative and then
forget about it. It was Tyler Robinson.
He did it. He's a crazy.
We got him. He's under arrest.
All right, You know, that's it. That case closed.
And the craziest thing is that'spretty much what all of his

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closest friends are doing and all of the goofy social media
influencers like Officer Tatum or Benny Johnson or any of these
clowns who who are leveraging Charlie's death to.
You mean the seven K club? Yeah, 7K club.
Exactly, exactly. Those guys are such clowns.
You know what's interesting about Charlie Kirk for me, I I

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actually liked him a lot during COVID.
I thought he really was doing a great job of standing up to the
nonsense that I saw COVID as. And I was like, man, this kid is
articulate, he's well spoken. He goes on these, he goes on
these college campuses and he really, not only does he handle

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these kids, but I honestly appreciated the way he did it.
He was never, not never, but he rarely was rude or disparaging.
He really killed him with his intellect.
He really did. I'm talking on the COVID stuff,
OK. I did not like the direction I
saw him take over the past two years, which basically, in my

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opinion, was stocking the hate between Christians and Muslims,
first of all, and then also stocking the left versus right
battle, which to me, those are the two things that are being
used to divide society for our ulterior motives.
We just have to come to terms with who's behind those ulterior

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motives. So I did not like the current
direction of Charlie Kirk over the past, you know, 15 months or
something like that. But what I will say is, man, I,
I, I feel bad for the kid that first of all, I do feel bad that
he lost his life. Secondly, I feel bad that all of
his so-called friends and so-called loved ones, I mean,

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they are just selling him out down the river and, and they
just don't care. And it's guys like you and I who
have no, we have no attachment to Charlie Kirk.
We're the ones asking questions.Right.
Well, I mean, you know, where ishis parents?
Why are his parents asking questions?
Why aren't Erica's parents asking questions?
Why is Erica not the forefront of trying to get the truth of

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who killed her husband? You know, Why is she so quick to
just accept her new role as the CEO of TPUSA?
And now just, you know, going onpodcast and smiling and then and
then as far as you're saying, selling out Charlie Kirk talking
about what there's all these recordings of Charlie Kirk that
he wanted us to share with you guys and we're going to share

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those. And don't forget Charlie Kirk's
message. And so you're writing on this
man's coattails, but not not once have I seen this woman ask
a hard question like, you know who killed my husband?
Because because it's 30 out six.Like I, you know, like because
nobody in her circle saying, Erica, something doesn't seem
right about this. Like, you know, that's so is

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everybody. Is every point.
That's a great point. I mean where I mean does not.
So like you said, we have littleto no emotional attachment to
this man. But here we are trying to get
justice for him. Here we are trying to solve this
mystery of who killed Charlie Kirk and why did they kill
Charlie Kirk. But I want to share with you my

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my opinion of why of what happened.
Sure, like you said, COVID, I think Charlie Kirk was great
after COVID for October 7th and all that.
I think Charlie Kirk was very pressured into saying certain
things, very basically kind of forced into, you know, he was a
little divisive. I mean, let's let's let's be
real, the man was a little divisive during the October 7th

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thing because, well, his financiers come from, you know,
Israeli Americans who kind of propped up TP USA when he was a
young man and he was pro Israel for a long time, you know, and
he he was proud to say it. But then the few after the, you
know, I think what kind of influenced or kind of, I think

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where the shift kind of happenedis when you had like, you know,
bigger YouTube political commentators or guys like Nick
Fuentes or, or, or even Candace Owens, right?
Candace Owens was saying we, we should probably take a closer
look at Israel. Like why is it, you know, why is
this happening in Gaza? Is it ethnic cleansing?

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Is it genocide? And he was very, he was very
like defensive about it. He was like, no, there's no
genocide in Gaza. There's no ethnic cleansing, but
then he starts to slowly kind oftransition to wait a minute,
like, is there ethnic cleansing in Gaza?
Is there a genocide happening? And are Israel really our
greatest allies? Right.
And So what he starts waking up and noticing is when he gets the

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he gets the warm and fuzzies from people like what I mean is
Benjamin Netanyahu, Hey, Charlie, why don't you come to
Israel for a couple weeks? You know, he turns that down.
Well, hey, how? Hey, Charlie, how about we give
you 150 million injection into TPSA?
But I'm sure there was a catch. Like don't talk bad about Israel
or don't talk about Palestine. But he also turned that down,

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right? So when you try to bribe a man
and he turns that down, when youtry to bring him in and control
him, he turns that down. What's left?
I mean, he's such an influentialperson.
Not only was he talking to the youth of conservative America,
but he was talking to the youth of liberal America.
Because half the kids that came to debate him were liberal kids.

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They just wanted a chance to debate him.
You know what, ma'am? That is such an interesting
take. You're absolutely right.
He was the pied Piper for conservative Gen.
Z, but he also was very, very prominent with the liberal Gen.
Z because they wanted to. That's a great point.

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So now. They would travel debate him,
you know, like, because I mean, look, would, would one of us go
travel to debate a far leftist? I I would say a lot of
conservative Gen. Z kids would go to debate a
liberal leftist, right. So it only makes sense that a
lot of liberal kids came to debate Charlie Kirk, you know,
And so this is a very powerful person at this point.

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You are literally controlling the youth of America and they
are listening to every word you say.
So we cannot allow this man to wake up and then take that
awakening and spread it to the youth of America.
Because if the youth of America wakes up to pro Israel Zionism,
well, that's the end of Zionism in America.
Yeah. You know, and as much as they

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and and so and so that is what that's also a lot of common
ground for conservatives and liberals to come together and
say, say, wait a minute, you know, you believe what you
believe. I believe what I believe.
But here's a couple topics that we're actually aligned on, like
Israel, like the Israeli lobby, AIPAC, like Zionism in America,

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how it how it owns our politicians and influences all
of our policies. And if you noticed since kind of
Charlie's death that there is kind of a unification between
certain sub genres of conservative kids and liberal
kids. They're absolutely is.
You know, 'cause you got conservatives going and
challenging Ted Cruz and saying,well, why is Israel, why do we

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continue to give all this money to Israel when we have Americans
who are homeless veterans who are not getting receiving pay?
You have, in this case, SNAP benefits that are not getting to
Americans. You have $40 billion going to
Argentina. We had $36 billion to Israel.
We have another $32 billion going to Ukraine.
At what point are we going to put America first?

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And why is Israel? Why are we giving so much Israel
or sorry, why are we giving so much money to Israel?
How? What makes them our greatest
ally? And when kids are asking these
hard questions of politicians, you notice you notice that these
politicians are like shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, they're
completely getting cooked. You know, and all these Turning

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Point USA events, you know, guyslike Glenn Beck are standing up
there. They're spouting the boomer.
The Boomer. Talking points.
Yeah, the boomer talking points and these Gen.
Z kids are not having it, man. God.
Said God said, you know something about, you know,
those, those who bless Israel will be blessed.

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First of all, brother, I'm not aChristian, but I know that
that's that's not anywhere in the Bible, OK?
No, it's absolutely. But when you have politicians
that are skirting around these situations and, you know, they
should skirt around it because, guess what?
They took a lot of money from APAC.
So it's in your best interest tonot answer those hard questions.
Yeah, as a policy. Absolutely, absolutely.
All right, that's good stuff. OK, let's let's shift to I want

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you to help people understand like, you know, this Sharia law
and Muslim, you know, being a Muslim and all this again, I am
not a practicing Muslim, so I don't know necessarily anything
about it. But what I do know is the the
negative viewpoints about those things are just for political

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purposes. But the problem is nobody knows.
Like like when somebody says, oh, don't they better not try to
enact Sharia law in the United States, nobody even knows what
they're talking about, but but they're so brainwashed to
immediately think that's the worst thing in the world and
shit, we better not allow that. So drop some drop some knowledge

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on this for us. Well, I think I think the thing
with Sharia law, I should start kind of big picture is that when
we have to understand that this is a smear campaign, OK, solely
A smear campaign. And there are there are stats to
back this up. But they want everybody, they
want all Americans to feel like all Muslims in this country are
terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, that all Muslims

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in this country want to do some kind of Islamic takeover and
that and that all Muslims in this country want to establish
some Sharia law. And then and then like Americans
are like, well, I'm not going tolet my wife wear a hijab.
And it's like no one's telling you to do that, nor the nor is
so Sharia law and Islamophobia is a smear campaign.

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But Sharia law, Sharia law 2 words.
This is the law part is the Western is the kind of like the
Western injection into Sharia, because Sharia alone means the
the laws of God. So when when a Muslim says al al
Sharia, he's saying these are the laws of God.
But when you put the law at the end of it, that's a Western

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thing. Oh.
Interesting. OK.
Errands don't say. Sharia law, that's the term the
laws of God and almost made it negative by adding the law to
the end. Yes, thank you.
So they took the word law and they're using it to scare and
fear monger Americans like Sharia is going to become a law.
Well, Ray, is there one Christian law in this country

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that that lives on a legislativelevel?
Is there one Christian law that's ever been passed in this
country that you know of? No.
I don't either. Exactly.
If America is a Christian nationand we can't even pass a
Christian law, what makes, what makes anybody think that we're
going to pass Muslim laws or Islamic laws, right?
And so everybody should know that Sharia law, and I keep

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saying Sharia law because that'swhat we're calling it fine.
But Sharia law is all it means is the laws of God.
And there is no book that is titled Sharia law.
There is no manuscript that is titled Sharia law.
Sharia is, is a broad topic. It's think of it as the guide to
life. So if Christians live by

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biblical law and, and Torah Jewslive by Torah law, Muslims live
by, by Sharia law or Islamic law.
And it's what it is, is it tellspeople how to deal with problems
like I'm going to get divorced to my wife.
How do I deal with this? Well, you got to give her this
and she earns that and, and you know, or the rules for a

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business. How do I go into a business
partnership with a man who wantsto charge a bunch of interest on
something? It's, it's, that's all it is.
What, what meats can I eat and what can I not eat?
What, what drinks, what liquids can I drink, right.
And, and so when we talk about Sharia law and we talk about how
it'll affect Americans, guys, there is, there is not something

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that we can pass that then makessome American city under Sharia
law. It's what you're, what you're
saying is what you're, what you're afraid of is something
that doesn't even exist. In fact, there's one, there's 51
Muslim countries, right? You know how many of those
countries actually practice Sharia law?
Probably 2002, OK. 22 Saudi Arabia and Pakistan I believe is

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the other one. OK, now what are those other 49
countries doing? What are they non-Muslims?
Do they, do they not live by Sharia?
Of. Course they do.
Of course they do. But The thing is they can't
enforce Sharia because they're like, no, there's what do we
enforce? Are we going to make all women
wear hijabs? That's that's not Islamic
either. Are we going to, are we going to
force people to get rid of pork?No, we can't do that either, you

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know, so and then so I get videos from my followers
sometimes where they're like this Imam went to a gas station
in his neighborhood and he told the owner of the gas station,
hey, man, you need to take all this Haram stuff out of here.
Haram is things that Muslims can't consume or Muslims
shouldn't do, like porn, alcohol, pork, you know, stuff

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like that. And so in the video, a lot of
people are coming down on the video like, wow, this this
Muslim guy is going around trying to trying to, you know.
Trying to dictate terms. Basically execute Sharia law on,
on, you know, on these people. But the fact of the matter is,
is that the owner of that gas station was Muslim himself.
So really the Imam went to another Muslim and said, why are

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you selling alcohol in your convenience store?
This is Haram. You know, why are you selling
these, these pork skin chips? This is Haram.
And he was saying that you should take the alcohol out of
your store. You should take the pork out of
your store and anything else. And if you're a Muslim, then
live by Muslim laws, live by Sharia law.
And so that's what Sharia law is.

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It's a guide to life, guys. It's like when people have
questions about marriage, divorce, kids, property, real
estate, you know, if, if a, if awoman becomes a widow according
to Quran, what does she get? Well, she gets, you know what
she gets. And it's so that's all it is.
It's like if I'm troubled with something and I don't know as a
Muslim, how to deal with it, I go to the books of our religion

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and say we're in here. Does it talk about, you know, if
I'm, if I'm a bank, you know, can I charge interest to people
because even charging interest in Islam?
Is is illegal? It's a sin.
You're not supposed it's a wrong.
I mean, you're not supposed to charge interest.
So, but I don't want people to think that if that there is like

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this system that's going to be put in place, you know, all it
is is Muslims living their lives.
And if you have a Muslim that's now a mayor of your town, or if
you have a Muslim that's now a governor of your, of your, of
your state, and you can't be afraid to say, oh, this guy is
going to bring Sharia law. I mean, look at Momdani, right?
Momdani just became the New York, the mayor of New York
City. The side that wants to demonize

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him will say, well, now he's going to do Sharia law and he's
going to take all the pork out of, you know, New York City.
And there's no way, there's no way.
Look at dear Dearborn MI. Dearborn MI has is probably the
the most concentrated demographic of Muslims and

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Arabs. But not even, not even in
Dearborn, MI is there Sharia law, right?
Right, right. But if you walk down the street,
guess what you're going to see? You're going to see a lot of
businesses with an Arabic writing.
You're going to see a lot of people speaking Arabic.
You're going to see a lot of women with different various
hijabs on some with the face showing, some with no face
showing, right. But that doesn't mean that

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they're living under Sharia law.There is no American legislation
that is Sharia law. It is just the.
Neighborhood, they're not tryingto force that on you.
That's not happening. If if they want to live like
that and it's their life, hey, go, go go live your life.
I will tell you that was that was very insightful the way you
laid that all out and especiallythe beginning.

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And this just goes to show you how deep the propaganda and the
narrative creation is. It should not even be referred
to as Sharia law. It should be called the laws of
Sharia or the law of Sharia. And if that directly translate
and means the law of God and howyou should live your life, Oh my

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God, that's pretty. I mean, listen, there is Sharia
in Christianity. There is Sharia in Judaism.
Yeah, right. And it's as simple as it's as
simple as this. I say God, this Muslim says
Allah. It's like they're not two
different people, bro. God and the law are just the
same thing in two different languages.
So if I, if we took out the wordSharia law and we just said,

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well, these these Muslims are living under Islamic guidelines,
then nobody would even care. Exactly.
Islamic guidelines, the word guidelines.
Everyone's like, oh, that's amazing, good for them.
They've got guidelines. Hey, we should have some
guidelines. But as soon as you attach law at
the end of it, you're right man,that is.
Oh my God, dude, it's deep. It is deep.

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The propaganda. So you have to understand that
there are, there are, there are characters in, in this, there
are key players in this that, that need to demonize Muslims.
Because if we can demonize Muslims as Americans, we can
continue to justify and support all the conflict and
destabilization that we that's right, that we execute in the
Middle East. That's right.
Let me tell you guys some stats.There are four and a half

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million Muslims in America. Guess who has the lowest crime
rates in any any given category?Muslims.
Muslims. OK, guess who's not on the
Epstein list? Right.
Muslims. OK, guess, guess.
Did you know that in the in America there are 37 U.S. states
that legally still allow child marriages?

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Oh my God, did. You know that since the year
2300 thousand child marriages have been have taken place in
America and most of them are from the Christian community.
Now these I'm not making this up.
This is open source guys. You can go look this up. 37
states still allow child marriages.
But yet would most when people want to come down on Muslims,
they say, well, the Prophet Muhammad, he married a six year

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old and so he's a pedophile. OK, well how many pedophiles do
you want me to name in this country?
Because I can name quite a few pedophiles here, right?
And also don't forget 37 U.S. states allow child marriage but.
Also when you say 37 U.S. statesallow child marriage, that means
legally like under the age of 18.
Yes. That is.

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Wild. In most of those states they
have to be over 13 years old. Oh my.
God. OK, again, go do your research
on that. But here's the whole point of
all this. The whole point of all this is
that we have a group of people who are very powerful, very
influential and have a lot of money that can that can create a
narrative and then push that narrative on a mainstream front

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like Fox or social media. And then a lot of Americans will
just go or who are just gullibleand don't want to take the time
to research these things. We'll just eat it up and it
becomes an echo Chamber of ignorance is what it becomes.
Absolutely, my man. I'm going to have to say
cowabunga on that. That was all perfect.

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Well, you know, as a Muslim, it just makes me.
As. A Muslim, it just makes me.
It probably pisses you. Off like there's so much,
there's so much misinformation. And again, it really does come
down to narrative creation for an exterior motive or an
ulterior motive. I'm sorry.
So narrative creation for an ulterior motive.

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And again, I will say, you know,you said it perfectly at the
beginning where you said, you know, the Palestinian people
have become the martyrs and it'sreally the martyrs for truth.
You know, Pandora's box is open because of unfortunately what
they've endured. But fortunately, God, I hate

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even saying that, but fortunately, what we've seen on
our phones and again, this, thisactually scopes, scopes above
Israel and above everything that's going on in Gaza.
Like I said, I mean, I love people questioning.
I mean, the moon landing to me is always been ridiculous.
I love people questioning JFKI love people questioning

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everything. You know, 9/11 COVID, COVID is a
big one. I love questioning that because
that never made sense to me. I mean, if it wasn't for COVID,
I probably wouldn't have this podcast.
That was my wake up call where Iwas like, dude, this does not
make sense. What is going on?
And it was the first time in my life living in America where

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where my freedom was affected and and by the way it was
affected like overnight, you know, it was insane what they
did. So all right, my man, any
parting words? Anything else you want to you
want to leave us with? No, guys.
I mean, I guess what I want to say is that it's very important
in this day and age with the technology that we have at our

(01:14:26):
hands to vet the information that you were coming across.
We cannot be in a place where the Internet just came out like
in the 90s, where we're like, well, the Internet is a new
thing. And I'm not I'm not savvy with
it. So I don't know how to do my own
research. No, no, you have, you have, you
have a is now that'll tell you everything you wanted to know.
They'll they'll scour the Internet to find you, the

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answers you're looking for, you all I all I say is do not take
my word or raise word for anything.
Do not take a video without context and just be like, Yep,
look at these Muslims. You know, you need to do some
research if you really care, if you really want to know, do some
research, spend some time and doit.
Because otherwise when you come to me and you're like, you know,

(01:15:10):
Muslims just kill all infidels and this and that.
I I don't even waste my time with you.
But when you come to me and you're like, Hey, Kawa, I did a
little bit of research, but I have some questions on Sharia or
I have questions on this. It would you, dude, I'm all I'm
all about it. Dude, hit me on the DMS.
I don't care. Like I love talking to people
who have who I can tell have taken the time to just do a

(01:15:32):
little bit of research for themselves and now maybe they
got stuck or they want somebody like me to help answer
something. I am good with that.
But when people send me a video,for example, of a wedding where
a grown man is bending down and he kisses this little girl in
the mouth and presents her with a ring.
And then they're like, Oh well, look at this, this little, this

(01:15:52):
grown man is marrying this little 7 year old.
And I'm like, wait, do you have full context behind this video?
Do you know, do you know for a fact that that's what's
happening? No.
So then what I had to do was I had to do the research and scour
the Internet and I found out that these people are in Italy.
It's an Italian wedding. And that little girl is the
man's daughter. And that's why he's giving her a

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ring as well, because he's marrying his wife.
He's also giving his daughter a ring.
And yeah, as a father kissing his little 6 year old on the
lips, his completely OK, absolutely OK.
That's so. What?
What a great example. That's but.
Don't take that. Thank you.
And don't take that and say, well, here it is, man.
You know what Muslims you know, and child marriages and this and

(01:16:35):
that, and you have no leg to stand on. 137 states of your own
country allow child marriages. Research.
Knowledge is power, guys, please.
Knowledge is power. And please, I want you to
educate yourselves because when you're educated, you know
exactly how to combat it, right?So I guess that would be my
parting words. But Ray, thank you so much for

(01:16:57):
allowing me to come on. To your podcast.
I really enjoyed it. I know it's taken a minute for
us to set this up, but it was definitely worth it.
I'd love to I'd love to do another one actually.
This is really good. We'll see what questions come
back and you know, maybe jump onhere again, talk a little more
guns and all that. All right, everybody, I hope you
guys enjoyed it. Calla, stay on the line, all
right? Call your parents, call a spade

(01:17:18):
a spade. As Kawa said, do your own
research and not only do your own research, but like add your
own common sense to what's goingon.
And I always tell people I'm like, you know, really follow
the money who's gaining from everything, either in terms
financially or in terms of power.
Keep an eye out for narratives that are getting created because

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I'm telling you what I've learned is at the end of the
day, we are all the same. Nobody's different, Nobody's
better than anybody. Nobody's worse than everybody.
Everyone just wants to have a good life, have a nice family,
enjoy themselves. The problem is there is a layer
of this world that feeds off of division and chaos and benefits

(01:18:05):
financially and in every other way off of division and chaos.
As soon as everybody wakes up tothat, I think it'll be a much
better place. 100% man. And look, I'm America first.
So as Americans we need to ask ourselves who is actually
fighting for our needs and our wants, right?
And those are the people that weshould support.

(01:18:25):
We should never be so tribal andso bandwagon near that we say,
well, I voted for this guy so I stick by everything he does and
says. That is not the type of people
we should be. In fact, Ronald Reagan said it
best. He encouraged Americans to
always question their government.
He encouraged Americans to always throw the hard questions
out there and hold our politicians and everybody to

(01:18:45):
account. So in this country, if you
remain tribal, then more than likely we're going to remain
divided. But if you can, if you can
understand, you know that if youcan be nuanced, right?
If you can learn the nuances, like for example, there is a
I'm, I used to be a Republican. I no longer declare myself a
Republican. I'm definitely not a Democrat,

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but I'm in, I'm in the middle somewhere where I can be nuanced
enough to support some Republicans on some matter like
Thomas Massie, and then I can support some Democrats like
Kohana and some other guys on some other issues.
And we have to be nuanced. That's the only way to come back
together. We cannot be so hardcore where
we say it's your fault and you're saying no, it's your

(01:19:28):
fault and we don't give each other an inch.
So please, guys, even if you're hardcore, right, hardcore left,
you have to learn some nuances and you have to see who is
actually up there fighting for my best interests, not just
because you voted the men in office.
So I guess. I love that.
And by the way, again, if you'renot watching this on video, this

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is coming from a Muslim guy bornin Afghanistan or from
Afghanistan. Behind him is 36 amazing guns or
a ton of guns and he's wearing AUSA hat.
So this is this is absolutely America first.
That flag right there has been with me on every combat
deployment so. There you go.

(01:20:09):
And he's got the United States flag as as part of the the, the
gun wall. So Kawa is United States first.
He is, he is America first. And quite frankly, all of us
living in America should be America first.
We need to take care of the homeand then give charity outside
and just be pay attention. All right, hang on.

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