Who Owns Culture: Fans, Corporations, Or The Algorithm?

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello! If you read it backwards but sort it
correctly, you get the correcttitle of Present Carl and
Richard, dragons in deep space.
I'm Richard, the star, the maincharacter, and the diva of the
show.

SPEAKER_03 (00:14):
I mean, I really don't think like you uh you read
that properly backwards.
Uh but uh but I am Lorak.
Also known as Carl if you'rereading it forwards.

SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
No no no no.
You can read the phonic symbolsin their intens intentional
pronunciation backwards, andit's more interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (00:33):
I don't know.
Um I watched a show called NineOunce Mouse Mouse once, and
someone walks up to someone andthey say, uh, rules are the
rules.
C lore, aerosted, sea lore, andit turns out that C lore,
aerosted, sea lore is rules arethe rules, but backwards.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
Yeah, not sure if I have to pronounce it correctly
or not, but rules like laws arejust threats made by the
dominant social economic power.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Uh I regret asking this, but what's new with you?
Also, I'm only giving you sevenminutes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11):
Oh my.
I that that's a problem, cuz Igot I got like three different
things I want to talk abouttoday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Well, you might have to pace them across the episode
then, because if you're smartabout it, you use one for seven
minutes and just segue intoanother one in the middle to
catch me off guard.
I would never be able to stopyou that way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Okay, okay, well, so uh Also, seven minutes doesn't
cover your what's new with youthree times.
Like, wait, you have 21 minutesof new with you material?
That is an entire For context,remember the episode where King
Bradley fought the tank?
Yeah, that fit in 21 minutes.
Like, oh man.

(01:51):
Goku versus Yakon and Spoff uhversus Yakon fit in 21 minutes.
You can fit this in 21 minutes.
You can fit this in seven.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
Okay, well, so do you wanna hear uh what I'm
calling capitalist dilemma?
Uh do you want a uh pizza storeanecdote?
Or do you want uh holiday ghoststories?

SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Oh man, you need to do it like this every week.
This is a great method.
Alright, I'm gonna go with Oh,can I hear number one again,
please?

SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Uh Capitalist Dilemma.

SPEAKER_01 (02:24):
I will take a capitalist dilemma for 500
Karlix.

SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
Okay, well you did you did choose the shortest one.
It's it's pretty simple.
Um my workplace uh offers anemployee food discount.
Uh but unlike most sensiblerestaurants, uh it's not a
percentage, it's just thatarbitrary pricing for each
individual item.

SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
The computer's been invented, right?
Anyway, please continue.
Everyone does in fact have acalculator in their pocket.
High school algebra was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (02:58):
Uh but so, um the price for a medium pizza, for
example, is$9 plus tax.
So after taxes,$10 will get youa medium pizza to employ
discount.

SPEAKER_01 (03:08):
Mini tangent.
It's funny because I know we'vedoxxed it before, but it's so
much funnier the idea thatsomeone would look up the prices
and then look up the prices ofall the pizza there in places in
West Canada to try and figureout which one you are.

SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
Uh but so so um with this arbitrary pricing though,
uh, it's like any pizza for 10bucks, any medium pizza.
Um, one of our employees hasdiscovered uh that this means
that you can add extraeverything uh and still only pay
that 10 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
So I saw a stand-up bit about this recently where
when you're younger, hittingextra toppings makes sense
because you feel like you'regetting more perceived value and
therefore more cheese obviouslyis a better pizza.
But the more refined your palategets, you realize that messing
with the ratio just results in aworse tasting pizza, because
then you end up with socky crustand unproperly cooked toppings,

(04:02):
and then the toppings slide offthe pizza, the crisp bit ratio
is wrong.
I'm just saying ordering alltoppings is fine.
Ordering extra all toppings,you're ruining your food.

SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
Well, I mean he's not like ordering like every
topping, but he orders you apizza uh and adds extra
everything that comes on thatpizza, which still is probably
not the correct way to ordersuch a pizza, but you want one
topping one of each type oftopping in every one-inch bite.

SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
If you want full taste fixture.
However, if you want there to bea variety in the toppings, you
actually don't want everytopping in every one-inch bite,
so each bite tastes slightlydifferent.

SPEAKER_03 (04:42):
So, um now, on the one hand, I think that my boss
could afford uh so you probablyeven lower the prices of his
employee food.
I mean, you know, like I say,make it a more reasonable
percentage off, so that way ifsomeone uh does all this
shenanigans, then they getcharged appropriately.

SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
I mean, most retail places do spend more money on
trash cans and garbage bags thanan employee's salary, so
probably.

SPEAKER_03 (05:08):
On the other hand, I fairly strongly believe that
people who abuse the systemoften break the system for the
people who use it as intended.

SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
That actually came up in a conversation I had with
one of my professors yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 (05:23):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
So we're talking about how we're only allowed in
the staff uh the TA loungebetween X hour and X hour,
right?
And people were like, so youtrust us with grades, but you
don't trust us with a room?
I'm like, no, no, I guaranteethis rule they put in that we're
only allowed on the floor whenan administrator is in is
because someone abused it.
I would bet any amount of moneythat one TA decided, oh, I'm

(05:45):
just gonna sleep in the TAlounge, and then Professor Found
them half dressed, or like amanager came by, or a dean or
something, to a meeting and justsaw a TA student with a blanket
in the lounge half dressed.
And that's why we're not allowedon past certain points.
And the prop didn't say I wasright, but his eyes told me I
was a hundred percent correctwith my theory that the reason

(06:06):
we're only allowed on the floorbetween eight and five is
because someone slept there andit made a bad impression on
somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 (06:15):
Right, right, right.
And so the dilemma is um, do Iapproach the employee and tell
him to stop sticking it to theman?
Uh do I approach my boss andtell him he's getting screwed?
Or uh do I do uh just let thescene play out on its own, or is
there some other fourth optionthat I'm not aware of, keeping

(06:37):
in mind that this is a acapitalist dilemma, so there's
no scenario in which my bosswill just ignore this
completely.

SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
So my first question for this debate, because this is
a delightful topic, is are theythe one making the food
themselves?

SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
No, they they are not making the food themselves.

SPEAKER_01 (06:54):
So here's the approach I would get give.
Rather than approaching him forfood theft and blah blah blah,
and the like, let's be honest,even after minusing$5 for the
staff cost, looking at the costof ingredients every staff meal,
probably still breaks abouteven.
Like, we live in capitalism,there's a good chance staff
meals regularly still make yourboss like a dollar.

(07:15):
There's no way you calculate astaff meal pricing so you don't
become slightly ahead by doingit.
That would just be bad business.
Like, literally, your staff mealpricing should literally be what
is the least amount of money Ican make off my employees, I'll
charge that.
So, in this situation, I wouldgive them a hard time, not for
ordering extra everything, butfor making their emplo the other

(07:38):
employees do more work to maketheir food fatter, because it's
annoying to make, more annoyingto cut, and is more annoying to
read, looks bad on the system.
Hey, the system says you orderedextra everything every time, why
you being a dick?
Cause like, as an employee, Iwould be pissed.

(07:58):
Like, when I worked at redactedand redacted, where we had a
clearer divide between front ofhouse and back of stuff.
Cause at your redacted location,most people do both, or they're
just a driver.
Mine had a pretty clear, like,we had waiters and we had cooks.
If a waiter rings up this kindof annoying bullshit, the cooks
just make their food worse.

(08:20):
Right?
Like, they're like, no, fuckyou.
Well, I'm not gonna put poachsalmon on your pizza, screw off.
So, I'm more annoyed from thelack of solidarity of hey, when
you abuse the system, it risksit being a taken away for all of
us.
Right?
You're sticking it to the manisn't sticking it to the man,
it's sticking it to yourco-workers in this situation.

(08:42):
Because what's gonna happen ispeople's staff meals are gonna
turn into percentage base andget less of a deal, because this
one person wanted extrapepperoni every time, instead of
just occasionally doing it wherehe'd get away with it forever.
So yeah, I wouldn't talkapproach him about eternal
death, blah blah blah blah.
I wouldn't approach your bossabout it.

(09:02):
I would go to your co-workersand be like, hey, you wanna go
have a talk to him about thisand make the coworker do it.
Like the guy actually making thepizza being like, yo, you okay
with making the extra everythingevery time?
If we learn anything frompoliticians, you take your first
group as constituents and youturn them against the second
group so neither one realizesthat the person blocking them

(09:25):
for progress is screwing themover.
Like you want to have your staffmembers fighting each other so
they don't realize that, infact, it's you they should be
fighting for more money.
Kinda like when people got madwhen minimum rage went up at the
keg and we're saying or at we'rethat kid, whatever.
We're saying that, oh, thepeople now, because minimum wage
went up, we make as much as theMcDonald's across the street.

(09:47):
This is bullshit.
Minimum wage should go up.
Like, you're idiots.
What?
Shouldn't you be saying, heyboss, we deserve a raise so we
don't make the same as thepeople next door who admittedly
work harder than us?
But no, they're gonna get mad atthe other restaurant paying
their staff the same as theminstead of mad at their boss or
paying them the same.

(10:07):
Because people are dumb and theykeep doing this.
The immigrant's not stealingyour job, your boss just isn't
promoting you, who is probably a45-year-old white man.

SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
You know, I I really thought you'd be on the side of
the of the employee.

SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
No, I'm on the side of the employees getting their
shit together.
If this was about, hey, myemployees are filing out union
cards, I'm on board.
But this is one selfish assholeruining things for everyone.
This is a guy pouring nachocheese in the breakthrough max
box.

SPEAKER_00 (10:37):
Cause like, I deserve extra everything because
of a technicality.

SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
That's not fighting the man.
Going out and voting is fightingthe man.
Unionizing is fighting the man.
This is just petty eternal theftfor the sake of being making
worse food.
This is just giving yourselfdiabetes.
Like, it's the same kind ofperson's like, huh, I'm gonna
fill up the top lid of my slushycup all the way to get extra
slushy, then it leaks on yourhands and your hands get sticky.

(11:02):
I'm like, you're not fightingthe man.
Well, you could've done if youwant to fight the man is drink
your slurpee down some and fillit back up while they're not
looking.
This is bad rebellion.
I hate capitalists, the thecapitalist healthcape believing,
sure.
I hate incompetent freedomfighting so much more.
Like, when people are just like,I believe that the war across

(11:25):
the world is an awful atrocity,and I'm like, okay, why are you
wearing Jordans?
And they're like, well, I'mgonna boycott this restaurant.
Like, they'll boycott arestaurant by posting on meta
that they're boycotting arestaurant because the
restaurant funds this thing.
But they posted it on Meta.

SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Ugh.
Not fighting the system veryeffectively.

SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
No, actually have values.
Formative values just drive menuts.
I'd rather someone just be awfulthan them look me in the eye and
tell me they're a good person.
Fair enough.
At least if they're awful, Icould just like sh- I don't
know, hit them with a kendostick.

SPEAKER_03 (12:07):
I I I guess I I don't know if he's actually
trying to stick it to the man orif he just genuinely likes a
super thick Berns Pizza stylepizza, but No, what he's trying
to do is get attention.

SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Cause like you don't order extra everything on your
food every day.
Like, thoughtlessly.
Like you're just ordering worsefood.
Like.
I don't know.
It's one of those things his actof rebellion against a man is
just inconvenient the people athis level.
It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 (12:42):
So uh what's new with you there, Richard?

SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
Alright, so as you know, my semester's getting
close to wrapping up, and I'mworking on my two big papers.
I have a conference to presentat coming up.
So yesterday was our last classin childhood culture, something,
something, something, something.
So we went on a field trip.
And you're gonna be so jealousof this field trip.
Like, this is gonna make youwant to go back to school.

(13:07):
So we start by going to whatlooks like a regular downtown
Toronto library.
This library has the largest andoldest collection of childhood
literature in North America.

SPEAKER_05 (13:20):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Including like the tale of the three bears written
on Vellum by hand.
Okay.
And like, uh, some of the thingslike the version of the three
bears before they had Goldilockswhere the bears just had a woman
break into their house and thenthey impaled him on a ch her on
a church table.
They tried to burn her first.

(13:42):
Like, you don't understand howfunny these drawings were that
accompany this brutality?
Because the bears come in andtheir chairs broke and their
meals food, and they're justlike, they're like, no! And then
they try to burn the person andit doesn't work.
Then they try and drown her andit doesn't work, so they impale
her on a church for breakinginto their house and stealing
their food.
I'm like, yeah, right, bears,that's correct.

(14:02):
You broke into a house thatthree bears live in, you deserve
what you get.

SPEAKER_03 (14:06):
The fire was too hot, the water was too cold, the
church was just right.
Kinda.

SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
This like the story is very different and very good.
And then, like, they had likesome original prints from like
Peter Rabbit and things.
Okay, okay.
So we go through this exhibit,which is sick.
Then we go to the next exhibit,which is a collection of maps
and old fantasy and sciencefiction books.
Yeah.

(14:33):
So it's just walls of maps, andI am in my happy place.
Like, I'm sending photos to mymentor being like, You're
jealous.
I'm looking at a hundred plusfantasy maps from the 1800s
right now.
I mean, early 1900s right now.
Then they had a Magic theGathering exhibit.
Oh.
So they had a bunch of vintagemagic cards on wall displays.

(14:56):
And then after that was.

SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
Any that you immediately recognized or saw
that were actually incrediblyvaluable?

SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
Uh, power nine in their frame.
Yeah, okay.
Alright.
I'm like, wow, that is like I'mjust looking at that, I'm just
thinking to myself.
I literally said to my friendsitting next to me, I'm like,
those are fake, right?
Like, they didn't just hang likenearly a million dollars in
cardboard on this wall in frontof us, right?
Like, we could have just pay herto wish it off with this crime,

(15:27):
right?
And then after brieflyconsidering pulling a lube
jewelry heist for trading cards,and like part we were genuinely
curious, like, does the museumknow how much these they're
actually worth?
Or are these just neat trinketsthat were deliver uh deposited
next years ago?
We then went to like Toronto'soldest comic book store, uh,

(15:48):
indie comic book store.

SPEAKER_05 (15:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (15:50):
And they're talking about how instead of split it
spreading into various forms oflike merch, right?
Like most comic book storesbecame toy stores effectively.
Like, oh, we sell Spider-Man, sowe sell more Spider-Man.
Does the comic book storeinstead decide to like go
diverse and go worldwide?
So like they have all they sellare books and prints.

(16:11):
But they had some interestingthings, like Japanese volumes of
Dragon Ball.
They had like some picture framecells from Sailor Moon.
They have Oh, I'm trying toremember what it was.
Like, their manga selection wasincredible.
Although one of their staffpicks was Taco Taco P's Original
Sin, and I'm like, no.

(16:33):
Well-written book, don't readit.
Unless you're in a very healthymental place, don't do it.
So, like, so then after thecomic book store, I had to rush
to my last lecture of the yearand then head home, but like, it
was a good three hours.
It was fun.
They had functional Lego poppop-up books.
Not really well, semi-related.

SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
Functional Lego pop-up books?

SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
Yeah, you open the book and a little damarama comes
out made of Lego.
And the book was made of Lego.

SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
So it just had like pages that were as thick as a
piece of Lego?

SPEAKER_01 (17:11):
It was interesting.
Yeah, I like how my Wesley withme was just yesterday.
It's like, no, yesterday wasgood enough to be in the Wesley
with me.

SPEAKER_03 (17:26):
Fair enough.
That does sound like a prettyexciting and awesome day.
I would have loved to go contourall those museums.

SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
Alright, so we're at 17 minutes approximately, so I
can you can either tell storytwo or three.

SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
Well, I mean, do you want holiday ghost stories or do
you want pizza store anecdote?

SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Pizza store anecdote.
Yeah.
The vaccine to pizza.

SPEAKER_03 (17:51):
Anyways, um, so you know.
There are a variety of reasonsuh that someone might not have
access to a cell phone at agiven time.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
I haven't seen any.
I would be so happy if mystudents didn't have access to
cell phones at a given time.

SPEAKER_03 (18:06):
Well, you know, their phone might be dead.
Uh maybe it only works on Wi-Fi.
Uh maybe they just like sorry?

SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
In the new Digimon series, Digimon Beatbreak, the
core concept is everyone haslike this Digi egg-shaped
smartphone chat GPT assistantthing, but when they go corrupt,
they tur uh turn into Digimonand eat you?
And then like I was watching areviewer be like, what, your
cell phone could just becomesentient and eat you?
You think people would stopbuying the cell phones?
Like, absolutely not, they raisetheir children for them.

(18:35):
And like, I would be happy ifpeople's cell phones just turned
into Agumons and Walt them.
That'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 (18:43):
So, I mean, yeah, like, you know, may maybe
someone's out of cell phoneminutes, so they they can't
actually use their cell phone orwhatever, but but you know what?
If if you're at like a friend'shouse or you meet someone you
know and you ask them to borrowtheir cell phone or their cell
charger or whatever, it's like,you know, that's that's
reasonable.

SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Uh oh.

SPEAKER_03 (18:59):
Uh but but when you come into a pizza store after
dark, especially, uh you requestto use our phone for anything
other than emergency services ora taxi.
Uh no.
Just no.

(19:21):
Uh I'm not gonna let you acharger.
I'm not gonna take your phonebehind the counter and charge it
for you.
I'm not gonna let you talk tosome random person on the phone
for who knows how long, and thenthat person calls us back all
angry because the person you'retrying to contact isn't there
anymore, or like no.
Just emergency services or ataxi, and we will call them for

(19:42):
you.
Oh man.
Right?
Uh so uh when this uh youngwoman, uh I've had to guess your
age.

SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
Oh, I do need a pause for a 30-second mini act
though.
So I did have a student come upto me recently be like, Do you
have a phone charger?
I'm like, are you asking me tocharge a device you're gonna use
to ignore me during tutorial?
And they're like, uh, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
Um, if I had to guess her age, probably between
like fourteen and sixteen.
Um she comes in and she's she'scrying because she thinks she's
being followed and she's scared.
Um and she wants to use ourphone.

SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
That feels like an emergency.
That feels legit.

SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
If if it had been me that it that uh interacted with
this person, I would have beenlike, okay, uh, I'll try to call
your your mother for you.
I'm not gonna let you callbecause I don't want to let
people behind the counter.
Uh and if I can't get a hold ofthem, then I'm just gonna call
the police and they will get yousomewhere safe.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
I mean, because the Saskatchewan police are famous
for bringing people back totheir homes and not, I don't
know, 30 minutes outside of thecity and telling them to walk
back.
I I uh I mean that's I mean, ifthey don't want me to make fun
of them for that, they probablyshouldn't have did it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
Maybe I have too much faith in the institutions.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
Uh but that I would I'm just being pedantic right
now.

SPEAKER_03 (21:21):
Well, I and I mean like uh like she's relatively
she's fairly young, um so itit's possible uh that if I
called the police that childprotective services would get
involved and it'd be a whole bigmess.
But I would really rather havethat happen than some girl being
alone on the streets trying toget in contact with her
guardians.

(21:42):
Yeah.
Um like obviously there'ssomething wrong there too, like
at least I think there'sprobably something wrong there.
Um that probably should belooked at.
Uh so that would have been myresponse.
Um but unfortunately, um Ihappen to be in the washroom
when this well not unfortunate,but I happen to be in the
washroom when this girl comesin.

(22:04):
Um and uh our uh faithfullisteners may remember Captain
Kirk uh from the episode where Idescribed that the uh pizza
store got robbed uh with with ashotgun.
Um and he happened to be uh notpaying that much attention, and
when he looked up from what hewas doing, there was a gun in

(22:25):
his face, and at the time Imentioned that he was uh a pro
at getting robbed, so he justcomplied and helped them helped
them get the money.
Anyways, Captain Kirk happens tohave a daughter of his own,
which who's probably around thesame age as this girl.
Um so he uh escorts her behindthe counter and he lets her try

(22:48):
and call her mother.
Uh can't get a hold of her.
Um ask her if she if he wantsher if she wants him to call the
police, and she says no.
Um which is like oh okay.
I mean I get that you're likescared and thought you're being
followed, but like isn't like inmy opinion, like say calling the
police in that situation seemslike the correct answer.

SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
Yes.
Like a show I used to reallyenjoy.
People there's a theme of anepisode where things kept
escalating, and then theyliterally wrap up the episode.
It's like the moral of the storyis just sometimes you gotta call
the police.

SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
Yeah.
Uh so then she like uh goesoutside the front store.
She's still on camera, but she'sjust like standing outside, I
don't know, hyperventilating orsomething.
She comes back in, she tries tocall her mom again, still can't
get a hold of them, or whoevershe was trying to call.
Um then this guy in Hyvis Vestcomes in, and uh I still I

(23:44):
haven't actually interacted withany of these people, uh, but he
supposedly corroborates herstory uh that she was being
followed.
Uh he doesn't have a car in theparking lot.
Uh so I don't know what kind ofinteraction he was having with
this girl or uh how exactly itwas that you know was he walking

(24:04):
in the same direction that likehe said they did something to
like flash a light to the at theguy that was supposedly
following her.
I'm a little bit curious whetherthis guy in the high viz vest um
was like actually the onefollowing her and like pulled
out a high viz vest after hewas, you know, after she went
into the store, so it lookedlike he wasn't possibly the
person who was following her.

SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
I need to let you know something because of my
mental imagery.
So the first time you said highviz vest, my brain didn't think
of the orange vest it wassupposed to.
I was picturing like this likeweird, like this man was in a
tuxedo in my brain, and then itgot updated to them like pulling
a construction vest out andputting it over their tuxedo.
That is where my mind palace isat.

(24:45):
Please continue.

SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
I mean, well, I don't know, maybe I'm being too
suspicious and constructing somesort of story there, but I'm I
don't really understand thisguy's interaction with the
story.
Except that like she wentoutside again and he was like
talking to her for a little bit,and she did come back inside,
tried to call her someone again,uh, and ultimately, you know,
she can't get a hold of anyone.
Uh so we're just like, okay,whoever whichever driver is last

(25:11):
um should probably just takethis girl home, because like she
needs to get like somewhere andshe doesn't want to call the
police.
Um and uh so yeah, the the Imean the story is doesn't really
have a uh riveting ending, it'sjust the delivery driver took
her home and he paid the driverfive bucks to do it.

(25:34):
Um I asked I asked the uh um thedriver afterwards if he had any
more details about whathappened, and it's like no, she
just basically said she wasthought she was being followed,
and then when I dropped her off,she she got home safely, so or
got into the house at least.

SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
So it's like huh, it's there's no amount of money
on earth where I would get thestudent a car ride home.
Like, I would absolutely calllike security for the safe walk
system and possibly call them anUber, but no, no.
Somehow that's sketchier thanthe person chasing them.
Is being like you random pizzadelivery driver.

(26:13):
I hope you don't harvest organsas you give me a lift home.

SPEAKER_03 (26:19):
I am a little bit surprised that TXC accepted the
offer of getting a ride homefrom the random pizza delivery
driver.

SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
Rather, like that's so much more suspicious than
thinking someone might befollowing you.

SPEAKER_03 (26:31):
Well, and then she didn't want us to call the
police.
Again, I suspect maybe becauseshe was worried about child
protective services.
Like maybe this is somethingthat's happened before that she
was left alone and actually.

SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Or maybe she owes a drug dealer money.
Like there's like something.
There's a like children cancommit crimes.
Well, exactly.
Like, watch her just like robbeda store, had like six stolen
iPhones in her pocket, and thenmade your pizzeria an
accomplice.

SPEAKER_03 (27:00):
Well, I mean, I'm I'm hoping that the best outcome
uh we avoided or helped preventa potential kidnapping or
assault.

SPEAKER_01 (27:08):
And I'm hoping it was a 35-year-old woman who just
scams you guys into being acomplicated to a crime.

SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
It is true, humans are notoriously bad uh at um I
thought you're about to just sayhumans are notoriously bad and
just leave it there, becauseyou're not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
They're notoriously bad at guessing ages.
Um yeah, like I get it likeevery day of my life, because I
look like I'm 20.
I get that concept.
Like, how old are you?
I'm like, I've lived throughthree apocalypses, do the math.

SPEAKER_03 (27:40):
Well, yeah, we all know that you're actually an
immortal Eldritch being, so youdon't even know how old you are.

SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
Well, that and like between 1990 and now there's
been three legally distinctapocalypses.
Legally distinct?
Well, we had the Y2K that wasgonna kill us all.

SPEAKER_03 (27:56):
Mm-hmm.
We had the mind challenge.
Interesting side note.
Uh the Y2K, I I don't know if Imentioned this on the podcast
before or not.
Um, but it was actually agenuine uh programming issue
that uh.

SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
But people have this.

SPEAKER_03 (28:12):
Yeah, because we outsourced all that work to
India, uh, and that's whythere's all these call centers
in India now.
It's because we outsourced allthat work and for Y2K.

SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Well, it's funny, it's like Y2K people be like,
nothing happened.
Like, no, no, no, people fixedit.
You missed this part.
It's like when people are like,well, the ozone layer fixed
itself.
I'm like, no, it didn't fixitself, we fixed it.

SPEAKER_03 (28:37):
I d I just find it interesting, like at the time,
yeah, I had no idea.
I was just like, yeah, obviouslythis was nothing, but it
actually significantly changedthe global landscape.

SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
Well, it's funny to think about, like, this comes up
so much during COVID inanti-masking and anti-vaxxers,
like, well, what's proof thevaccine did nothing?
The proof the vaccine worked isthat you don't know that it did
anything.
That's the point.
If you get a vaccine and youcan't tell it did anything,
exactly.
Cause you're not dead.
Like I was it's like that uhstudy where planes were coming

(29:11):
back, so they reinforced thespots of the plane where they
were shot, which is funnybecause it doesn't account for
the ones that didn't come backbecause they died.
So it's like, yeah, we don'tneed more armor here.
Cause you don't have the data toprove it.

SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
Right, right.
People just yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
When things go well, people think nothing happened at
all, it's a problem.

SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
But so that then you had we had the the 2012, the
Bayern Calendar.
Oh yeah.
2012 was a terrible John Cusackmovie.

SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
It was.
And 2012 was the most nothingburger of nothings.
Like it was disappointinglynothing.
No one even had to fix anything.
And then we had two Trumppresidencies, which I was c t
told the world would end.
And people really made it soundlike COVID was the end of g
gonna be the end of mankind.

SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
Now we're hit the point where it's like someone in
my cohort tested positive andwe're all like, damn it, and
that's it.
That's the entire extendedreaction is damn it.
Like I remember people would belike shoving Q-tips into their
brainstem right now, but it'severyone just kind of let out a
collective sigh and went like,yeah, that might as well happen.

SPEAKER_03 (30:20):
Well, so uh I don't remember how the person was
related, but my boss the otherday, he's like, Yeah, have you
ever heard of long COVID?
I'm like, uh, well, yeah, I meanit's COVID can cause permanent
damage to your respiratorysystem.

SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
Oh, I'm not here to say COVID wasn't bad for the
record.
More like just people havestopped ap catastrophizing the
catastrophe.

SPEAKER_03 (30:42):
Well, so my boss posted and he says this and he's
like, yeah, like he's like, myaunt or someone just died of
long COVID.
I was like, you you can die oflong COVID?
I didn't didn't even know.

SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Kinda.

SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
It's like I mean, I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
Well, it's so most people die from heart failure of
some kind, right?
And it's like, it's hard to saythey died of chicken nuggets or
they died because they simplyhad that last hot dog, which
took off the remaining day offtheir lifespan.
So long COVID kind of falls inthat category of you died and
you had long COVID.
Did you die of long COVID?

(31:17):
Well, it didn't help you.
So it's hard to like know whatthe statistics are, because like
if you have long COVID and youdie of heart failure, I don't
think long COVID helped.

SPEAKER_03 (31:28):
No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
So that's the gray area.
It's like they died of longCOVID.
I'm like, well, they died andthey had long COVID.
I don't know if they died of it,but they did not die of it.
It's kind of like how when Idie, it's not that I died of
obesity, but being a fat batardis not helping my health.
Fair.
Really depends who's writing thesurvey at that point.

(31:54):
Although it would be funny ifit's like cause of death didn't
put down the fork.
No, I'm not fat shaming, I'm notRobococo.

SPEAKER_03 (32:08):
Uh, me and Robococo, which has outlived so many much
better series.

SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
It's also outlived an occasional worst series, too,
in his defense.
I think.
I don't know, I've never readit.

SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
I think it's approaching the number of
chapters that Dr.
Slump had.

SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
To be fair, I don't know if Dr.
Slump's still good.

SPEAKER_03 (32:32):
In all fairness.
Like, I like Dr.
Slump, but it definitely had noactual plot to it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
Dr.
Slump, you know what actuallyhad the most Dr.
Slump energy was probablypsychic detective Chosaro.

SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was pretty Dr.
Slump energy.

SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
But I believe we can move into our topic today, and
then part way through the in uhthis episode, you can then slice
in your third story aboutghosts.
But onto our topic today.
Fan parodies.
So you know what I absolutelydespise, and I'm just gonna
give.
You can start a timer and justgo beep when I use up my minute.
I'm only allowed one minute forthis rant.
You ready to say beep in oneminute?

SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
Uh okay, you gotta let me get my timer here.
I wasn't prepared with that.
Be prepared.
Alright.
Uh you have one minute.

SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Go.
The worst thing in the internetis people taking clips from
anime and putting the whooshwhoosh music behind it, and
being like, look at this awesomeanime moment, and it being worse
than the music.
I keep getting bleach videos inmy feed that have him do his
awesome return gets attentiongets a shoho dodge you idiot
scene, which is a six scene, andthey put in generic crap filler

(33:45):
music when Bleach's best aspectwasn't soundtrack.
And I'm like, no, I'm not givingyou a like for taking a clip
from something I already likedand making it worse than doing
the whoop woof womp thing offlashing the scenes back.

SPEAKER_00 (33:59):
No, that's not fan content.
That is just that's not evenrecycling.

SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
It's just garbage.
And so much of it is like, whatif I take a clip of something
cool and make it worse and putit up of a generic filler name?
I'm like, who are these botseven trying to scam?
What is the value gained here?
Oh, I hate it.
I hate it so much.
God, it pisses me off.

SPEAKER_03 (34:22):
And time.
Nailed it.
That was pretty good.
Anywho.
Excellent one-minute speech.
I hate those so much.
Uh well, so I mean, those don'teven really fall into the
category of parody, though.
Well, and that's just likesomeone who really likes the
content, but I don't know whythey feel they need to repost

(34:43):
it, but they really don't reallylike the content, right?

SPEAKER_01 (34:46):
Because like, they're just trying to get click
engagement.
It's like when you'll see avideo that like misquotes an
anime to try and get someone tolike rage click it or something.
I don't really know what thegoal is.
But if you really like Bleachand you have the eat eyes and
catches Ichigo scene, youwouldn't replace the music with
No no no.
You're just bad.

(35:06):
You're going to hell.
I will find you.
Alright, alright.
But on the topic of that is myexample of the worst piece of
fan expansion of a media.
Cause like, I kind of talkedabout in the Westy with me that
we went into a class about theidea that fans will like write
fan fiction, do fan parodies, dofan project to like expand the

(35:26):
IP past its original.

SPEAKER_03 (35:29):
Right, like uh like Wicked, which was a fan, like I
didn't really like the secondhalf because it didn't actually
mesh that well with the sourcematerial, the Wizard of Oz.
Um but it is a uh uh fan fictionum that does really greatly
expand upon the the universe ofthe Wizard of Oz.

SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
Uh the dirtiest look I got all semester is when I
called Dante's Infernal Biblefanfiction.

SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
He goes and meets his favorite authors and he sees
all the heaven and thephilosophers and goes on his
adventure through the Bible,it's fanfic.

SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
Only thing that like the only difference between that
and current fanfiction is atsome point in Dante's African,
they edited out the scene wherehe makes that with his idols.
Because it feels like it wasthere in the original.

SPEAKER_03 (36:24):
Uh shipping stories are one of the most prolific
forms of fanfiction, that's forsure.

SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
Well, like my favorite piece of like fan
culture.
I d I just love the fun factthat the technically the most
successful piece of fanfictionis Fifty Shades of Grey.
That's just funny.
Because it was just Twilightfanfiction, and they changed.
Twilight fanfiction, that's whatit was.
Yeah, and then they sanded thenames off of it and made three

(36:52):
movies, got a three-movie deal.
So think about it.
Twilight got four movies, thenthree movies based on its
fanfiction, and people are like,oh, worst movie ever.
I'm like, are you sure?
Because I I don't remember JohnWick getting John Wick
fanfiction getting three moviesalong with the quadrilogy.

SPEAKER_05 (37:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
I don't recall Pulp Fiction getting a four-movie
series.
Uh I wouldn't be surprisedthough if some of these Marvel
spin-offs were literally peoplelooking on the internet for
fanfiction and just stealing it.
And then having AI rewrite itinto Loki season two.

(37:36):
Maybe.
But for the topic that promptedus to go into fan parodies,
Dragon Ball Z abridged.
Because you made a comment theother day that I think I don't
remember they made it intopodcast or not.
Where you No, no, not yet.
Where you mentioned, I don'treally care about it anymore
because they're corporatesuccessful, and I'm like, I
don't think they are.
YouTube doesn't pay that much.

(37:59):
And their merch did okay, Iguess, but none of their other
projects really landed, so it'slike, yeah.
For a short period of time, orlike actually, they had it
running for like seven years orsomething.
But once they like completedtheir main story arc, which
bonus points for actually likereasonably getting to the end,
because Dragon Ball Z shouldhave ended in a cell saga
anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (38:18):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (38:19):
They were like successful enough to like still
have their main source of incomebeing voice acting and YouTube.
But I wouldn't say that theybecame corporate rich by any
means.
Teenager Me would have, butTeenager Me was a dick.

SPEAKER_03 (38:33):
Uh I mean, I don't know, I don't know if they
necessarily became like rich.
Uh as like uh like you say, nnone of their side projects
during the time that they weredoing During Ball Z Abridged uh
really seemed to like actuallyland.
And it seemed like they weredoing like more of like the

(38:55):
Let's Plays and and uh you knowjust like oh I'm gonna react as
Vegeta uh and this stupid sidecontent, uh which I guess was to
feed the algorithm.

SPEAKER_01 (39:07):
Um maybe they enjoyed making the stupid side
content.

SPEAKER_03 (39:11):
Well, I mean maybe they did.

SPEAKER_01 (39:13):
Because I mean we'd only make stupid side content.

SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
I mean that's true.

SPEAKER_01 (39:20):
Because like I did a little search when you brought
that up, and so from theirPatreon, because you can just
kind of see the numbers becauseyou get to know how many people
are on the Patreon and how muchthey pay.
Team 4 star from their Patreonmakes between$2,000 and$6,000 a
month.

SPEAKER_05 (39:35):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
Splitting that across four people.
Yeah.
So like they're definitely notlike corporate sellout by any
means.

SPEAKER_04 (39:46):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
They're not critical role out here financing three
Amazon Prime series, a videogame, four seasons of DD, and
Daggerheart in its entirety.

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
Well, I mean, that's that's kind of the the limit to
to fan-based parodies thatunless you you strip it of its
original identity, like 50Shades of Grey, uh, I guess you
can't really like it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:14):
Well, so I decided like to snoop on Team Forestar's
nonsense, a Google search aboutlike their YouTuber net worth is
apparently their net worth is ahundred K.

SPEAKER_05 (40:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
Yeah, but we split that over three people over ten
years.
Right.
And then you have any costs atall.
Right, right, right.
I I wouldn't say that likethey're doing much better than
if they had gone and got a skilltrade.
Like, if all four of them wentto school for plumbing, they'd
probably be doing better.

SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
You're probably right.
And like, I don't want todisparage their their talents
because they they put a lot ofuh time and effort into their
series.
The the quality of of what theyproduce is is quite amazing for
something that they were justmaking in their spare time, at
least when they began.

(41:11):
Um it's kind of actually it'skind of funny.
Um you know Team 4 Star hastheir Dragon Ball Z abridge
stuff is definitely very highquality.
Um and that kind of uh becamelike the the standard of what to
expect for any sort of abridgeseries or for fan content.
Uh to the point where this is uhit's not necessarily fan

(41:32):
content, but I've been readinguh uh manual on WebTune.
Uh I stopped reading itactually, but it was called uh
We Are 101.
Okay.
Um and uh the story is just kindof okay.
Um and the character designs areare neat.

(41:54):
Um but the backgrounds arealmost all blank.
And I don't know why this itlike bothers me so much, but
this this it feels like anoticeable dip in artistic
quality versus other contentthat I'm reading on Webtoon, and
by extension, like looking atsomething like Team Four Star,

(42:17):
where it's like, yeah, theseguys were just like making this
in their basement in their sparetime, and and they made this
like seamless high-quality.

SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
What's crazy about Team Four Star is they did go
through their entire behind thescenes video where they did a
like 20-minute behind the scenefor each episode.
And like, when you look at theediting they were actually
doing, especially near the endof like manually copy-pasting
half keyframes to move the mouthflaps to match their jokes.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, no, they tried somuch harder than actual

(42:45):
localizations.
I think they tried harder thanToei.
I watched Dragon Ball Dima.
I think Team 4 Star put moreeffort in than Toey did.

SPEAKER_03 (42:58):
They definitely did put in a huge amount of effort.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
And like they said, like, oh, we stopped doing it
when they're like, oh, I feellike we're forcing it, running
out of jokes, etc.
etc.
And they're like, people calledthem sellouts for stopping to do
TBZ Abridged.
We're like, no, no, no, we wouldhave been sellouts if we kept
doing it, knowing it was worse.

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (43:20):
Because it's like Dragon Ball Z Abridged is one of
my favorite shows.
With the Christmas season comingup, I'm fully intending to
rewatch their movies becausethey kind of like gave a
Christmas sub-theme to all oftheir movies, and then they
ended with an actual Christmasspecial.

SPEAKER_03 (43:35):
To all of their movies?
I mean, there was a Christmastree of might.

SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
So all of the movies, because the movies they
so the main series has mainseries canon and the movies have
movie canon.
So the movies aren't canon tothe main series, but they're
canon to each other.
Right.
So Garlic Jr.
wasn't really about Christmas.
World Strongest makes a couplequips about being in the Arctic.
And then Christmas Tree ofMight, but then all the future

(43:59):
ones will then referenceChristmas Tree of Might and
Santa.
Like Lord Slug straight up goeslike, Remember Christmas?
And then like the Broly moviegoes like, Remember Lord Slug, I
sure do miss Christmas.
And then they released theirlike uh The Nightmare Before
Christmas one where they tooklike an old obscure Dragon Ball
Z OVA and just straight up madethe villain Santa.

SPEAKER_04 (44:22):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (44:23):
And did a great job on that one.
They just rewrote it completely.
But it's like, it's entertainingcontent.
Not as shocking as when, like,after a four-year break, Little
Karibo will just put out asingular Yu-Gi-Oh Bridge episode
out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 (44:40):
Right.
Because that still happens oncein a while.

SPEAKER_01 (44:43):
That still is technically going, just when he
feels like it is fair.

SPEAKER_03 (44:49):
Well, you know, like, the thing about being a
content creator on YouTube islike the style of content that
we create where we're just we'reattracting to each other and
we're just doing this basicallyfor for fun.

SPEAKER_01 (45:01):
We produce bad content.
Let's let's not kill itourselves here, Brent.

SPEAKER_03 (45:06):
But we're doing it just for fun.
Like we're we're we're hopingthat maybe someday someone will
like our content, but it's justwhat's going on.

SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
I do it for the little ego dopamine boost.
Like, I see that a singleepisode was downloaded in Norway
and I'm like, yes! Because Ihave a deep hole in my soul,
right?
That's why I'm a writer, is I'mtrying to fill that deep
loathing with positive ornegative attention.

SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
But at some point, especially if you want to
actually make money off ofYouTube or make it into a
career, it it becomes a businesswhere you're not actually doing
it for fun anymore.
Um, I disagree with that a bit.

SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
So you work a crappy job, so you're miserable.
Where now that I'm starting tolike work a job I like, you know
people are like, oh, you justwork a job, everyone hates their
job.
I'm like, no TA ing and gradingand teaching classes and giving
presentations, seminar.
I objectively like my job.
To the point where the biggestcomplaints in my life are petty

(46:06):
bullshit at this point, becauseI'm like, yeah.
Um I'm gonna whine about mycommute, I'm gonna whine about
this and that, and I'm gonnawhine that the school blew a
bunch of its budget renaming atrain station instead of paying
us a Christmas party.
But like, I like the things I dofor a living.
So I don't like deliberately, Ionly went to school to do things
I already like doing.

(46:26):
So, like, I do think it's a bitdisingenuous to be like every
creator will eventually become acorrupt coin capitalist
businessman.

SPEAKER_03 (46:33):
No, I'm I'm not not saying that every content
creator will become a corruptbusiness businessman.
Uh what I what I am saying isthat I've seen a lot of I'm
leaving YouTube videos, uh,where their main complaint is
that uh their original joy andpassion was making these videos,
uh, and as the channel expandedand was forced to become more of

(46:56):
a business because they had tohire editors, they had to hire
other people to make thumbnails,they they started managing
people to create their contentas effectively as possible, um,
and they ended up becoming lesscontent creators and more
business managers.

SPEAKER_01 (47:13):
That's interesting.
Like, I had an interview with aYouTuber I really liked because
I was doing some scriptfreelance work for them for a
little bit.
And they went through theirchannel growing in a pivot
towards Pokemon rather thanbeing general gaming.
But even though then he's hiredsome editors and things, he was
going about like, no, I need tomake sure I pay people who
submit, pay people who do this,I have a team now.

(47:35):
But he seems so excited aboutthis fact.
Like, he's like, I have a teamnow, people like me, this is
awesome.
So I do think there's a bit of aspectrum here.

SPEAKER_04 (47:43):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (47:45):
Because it's like So we live in this like hustle
culture.
There's no denying that.
Where a lot of people judgetheir success based on metrics.
Like, the number of crypto brosI've talked to, I l oh, this is
a fun one from yesterday.
Part of what's new with me, butI broke mine to three sections
as well.
So I'm standing in line atStarbucks because the Tim
Orton's line was too big and itwent outside the building.

(48:08):
And I'm making small talkbecause I tend to make small
talk.
I've my my fake extrovertimpression has gotten really
good.
So I'm making small talk, andI'm like, oh yeah, I'm a TA, and
they're like, I make I sellcryptocurrency, and I look them
down in the eye and be like, oh.
So you rip people off on a Ponzischeme using a product that has

(48:29):
no value to the world.
And they're like, well, thething about dealeralized
currency, I'm like, the thingabout it is it's literally the
exact same as Pokemon Packscalping.
Like what you're doing is you'recreating artificial scarcity to
make a profit so people investthat you cash out.
And like it's not bad thatyou're making your money by
ripping people off, but are youhappy with what you're doing

(48:50):
with your life outside theripping people off?
Like you're go using that moneyto go to school, that's fine.
Are you planning to go to schoolto add something of value to the
world, or is this just the nextstep of your positive scheme
lifestyle?
Oh man, these statements mustbecome so much harsher when I'm
in my professor like suit outfitand look like an actual adult
being like, yeah, do you addanything of value to the world?

(49:11):
Because, you know, crypto's ascam, it just is.

SPEAKER_04 (49:14):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (49:16):
Like, yeah, there's no reason it needs to exist.
People be like, well, what aboutinternational transactions?
Like, we have pay services likePayPal, like.
Which also is a bit of a scam,but that's only because the
centralized bank system scammedus so hard that we'd rather
trust Elon Musk with ourfinancial transfers than RBC.
Fair enough.
But like, the reason I bring upCryptoMic Bro here is that when

(49:40):
people believe the secret tohappiness is to be the best at
their thing, they're screwed.
Do you remember when like XboxLive was first becoming a thing
and you could see leaderboards?
Bagly.
So I'm thinking like way back Iwas when I was a small boy,
playing uh Geometry Wars, Ithink it was, and they started
adding leaderboards.
You look in the first ten pageswere all max score.

SPEAKER_04 (50:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (50:04):
And you still see that now where you look at these
leaderboards and be like, theseleaderboards are literally
impossible.
Because like a side effect ofglobalization is we've kind of
spread ourselves so thin thatit's like I'm gonna compare
myself to every human on earth.
And when you do that, it doesn'tmatter what you do, you become

(50:24):
impossibly bad at that thing.
Like, we got Elon Musk beingdunked on because he's bad at
Path to Exile.
And he wouldn't have thatproblem if he just played with
his actual friends, once hefinishes 3D printing those.
Well, it's like a lot of theseYouTubers are like, I have to do
this to get the views to clicks,and then I'm like, you don't
have to do any of this.

(50:46):
You don't, though.
You don't have to be the bestYouTuber.
That should never be yourobjective.
Idiots.

SPEAKER_03 (50:54):
Bringing this back around, uh, like, you know, it's
it's too bad that little Karibodoesn't post content more
frequently because uh Yu-Gi-OhAbridged was a great abridged
series.

SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
So good.
Uh, screw the rules, I havemoney.
That's just so so like so muchof my dialogue I use in
day-to-day life comes fromYu-Gi-Oh! Abridged.

SPEAKER_03 (51:15):
But I I do have to r respect him for uh you know
continuing to do content that heactually genuinely enjoys.

SPEAKER_01 (51:26):
Um, uh, you know, in the most recent episode of
Yu-Gi-Oh! Bridged, he does thisbit, which is so funny because
of the context.
So a character starts explaininghow link chaining works in
Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

unknown (51:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (51:40):
So two people are having a match, and a character
Rebecca's like, well, it'swhat's like, why'd this card do
this?
It's like, well, it follows thechain link, and here's how like
the trigger stack goes.
And the character's like, I'venever heard any of these words
in my life.
What are you talking about?
This is not how Yu-Gi-Oh isplayed, and I'm laughing so hard
because I'm like, oh man, you're50 episodes into Yu-Gi-Oh
abridged or like 60 something,and a character's explaining how

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the stack works.
And that's just so funny to meconceptually.
Because like the meta bit beingthat, oh, after 20 years, a
character's like, here's howchain linking works, and I laugh
so hard.
Because that joke hits so muchharder by it being this Yu-Gi-Oh
abridge has been going for howmany years?
And no one at any point hascared how this game works.

SPEAKER_03 (52:23):
That's just pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 (52:25):
Uh and then it's just like you're and then the
retort to character is like,women don't know how to play
card games, you're lying to me.
Women have never won a card gamein this show.
Oh, that's kinda true.

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And the shenanigans is why Iloved ping pong peril.
But back to the topic of ouractual topic of fan parodies.
So, Dragon Ball Z Abridged,highest quality abridge series.

SPEAKER_03 (53:01):
Well, okay, like, so is it is it because of the
quality of jokes, like uh whenthey added something like, say,
Ghost Napa?

SPEAKER_01 (53:08):
So Ghost Napa failed.
Like.
Ghost Napa failed?
In my opinion, Ghost Napa wasnot a good bit.
It was not their best bit by anymeans.
Their best bet was TN being theonly serious character.
That was quite hard to do.

SPEAKER_03 (53:24):
You don't know what else failed?
Uh, telling ghost stories toeach other at Christmas time.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
Oh, good try, good try.
No, I'm gonna make you do thisnext episode.
Straight up denying your thirdstory.
Because it's gonna be like a30-minute movie review.
And if we're gonna do Christmasmovies, that'll be our episode.
We could do a Christmas carolnext week.

SPEAKER_03 (53:46):
It's not about Christmas horror.
And it's not about CharlesDickens a Christmas carol.

SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
But it could be.
We could do it next week and doDickens and Christmas Carols.
And Muppets.
Moving on from my completeinterruptus of you, do you
remember Escaflone Abridge?
Since I think Abridge series isgonna be our topic here.

SPEAKER_03 (54:13):
Right.
Well, I mean, I I I watched Idon't I I the Dragon Ball Z
Abridge uh was simply the thepinnacle of uh YouTube Abridge
series.
Like YouTube Abridge is probablyin second place.
Uh but anything else, it's likeI I didn't really re-watch any

(54:35):
of their their content.
It's like I'd watch it once, Iwould laugh, and then I would
move on.
So it's like I I rememberEscaflone Abridge vaguely.

SPEAKER_01 (54:44):
The only line I actually remember from that is
no one would deny an old man asandwich.
Like the joke about EscafloneAbridged is original Escaflone
was such like an esoteric show.
I do think the Abridged seriesis why I understand what
happened to the original.

SPEAKER_02 (55:01):
Because the original didn't tell you shit, so you're
like, this is our wish plan.
I'm like, I think they actuallyexplained it.
Because I don't think theoriginal bothered at all.

SPEAKER_01 (55:14):
Another thing, like, on the topic of fan projects,
though.
So Capcom recently released,like, their new fan game code of
conduct.
Okay.
That basically says if you don'tmake over a million dollars, I
don't care, just don't put sexscenes with their characters.

SPEAKER_03 (55:28):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (55:29):
And they like basically announced you're free
to make fan-based stuff.
That is fair game.
If you're fun with it.
Like So they're basically like,don't make a ton of money, you
don't own our properties, anddon't sue us, we won't sue you.
And if you make a ton of money,yeah, you're gonna have to pay
tithe and better than me.

SPEAKER_03 (55:53):
Uh you know who else doesn't own Capcom properties?

SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
Ghosts.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
No, Magic the Gathering with their monster
hunter uh product that they theycancelled their secret lair
because it just imploded.
No one in the magic communityliked the cards, and no one in
the monster hunter communityliked the cards, so they're just
like, yep, it's doing so bad,we're just gonna cancel it.

SPEAKER_01 (56:15):
It's funny because like for magic crossovers, which
are like the worst, I actuallylike intellectually that one
kind of made sense to me.
I'm like, okay, at least there'slike enough mechanical overlap I
could picture how this couldwork and not just break
immersion.
But yeah, the reason I gave theCapcom rant is I recently played
a game where someone took MegaMan X8 and remade it in the

(56:37):
Super Nintendo art style andrebuilt the entire game from
ground up.
Oh wow.
They took the stages that werelame and added more stage to
them, and like they kept all thelike iconic things that were in
X8 and removed all the bullshit,replaced the artwork, and then
some stages that were just likea minigame or a gimmick, like
Ride the Hoverbike, they addedan actual stage to.

(56:59):
Mega Man X8 D Make is actuallythe best version of that game by
a very wide margin.
Like unreasonably better thanthe original game was.
Okay.
Like, to the point where theboss rush at the end, instead of
fighting one boss at a time forthe boss rush, you fight two of
a time of your choice.
So you fight like two-on-onebattles to keep the boss rush

(57:21):
actually interesting.
Yeah, it was just a sick game,and I'm like, fan projects, love
me a fan project.
Any weird fan projects, be themfan mods, fan dubbing, or fan
things come to mind that youthought were sick.
Other that time we were totallygonna duh uh abridge Ninja
Turtles, and it would have beenawesome.

SPEAKER_03 (57:43):
Well, yeah, you know, yeah, that would have been
awesome.
I actually like downloaded someof the episodes, started
splicing episodes together.
Uh, but uh yeah, it never nevermaterialized.
That's sad.

SPEAKER_01 (57:53):
Like most of our projects.

SPEAKER_03 (57:56):
I know who we are.
Uh but no, I I uh I I don't knowwhy, but I I almost almost avoid
fan projects because I'm like,why would I why would I want a
fan project when I like likeSmart On, uh where that's a fan

(58:18):
project, and then they startedlike making their own Pokemon.
And it's like at that point,it's like why not just make your
own game?

SPEAKER_01 (58:25):
Yeah, when you got to like when Pokemon Showdown
got too far.

SPEAKER_03 (58:29):
Yeah.
I might I assume it's still likegoing on, but it's like that's a
huge fan project, and and it wasan interesting thing to to try
out.
Uh but then it's just like withlike Well it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (58:49):
Where Smogon was like the resource site and
Pokemon Showdown was thesoftware.

SPEAKER_03 (58:53):
Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 (58:54):
But yeah, like now they're gonna be like, oh, we'll
steal that.
I don't know, like, fan projectsare interesting to me.
Like, in the TTRPG community,for example, you cannot have a
homebrew for any fictionalsetting ever.
But I remember one of my friendswho I'm like, I could run an
Avatar campaign or play theAvatar T T, you would just ruin
Avatar.
It's not you personally, anyonewould just be worse at GMing

(59:16):
Avatar than just watchingAvatar, and you would ruin the
setting.
I took that for Lee at the time,but I think she's right.

SPEAKER_03 (59:25):
Well, uh, you know, when we look at our uh uh the
critical role campaign that wetried to to play, uh, and then
ended up really having almostnothing to do with critical role
or the setting.

SPEAKER_01 (59:40):
Which is funny because it's like I had watched
at that point like 800 hours ofcritical role.
Which like is funny to mebecause I'm like no amount of
critical role based education?
Would actually help run thatcampaign to have the vibes.

(01:00:04):
Cause it's like, unless I'm MattMercer, I'm not doing the NPC
voices justice.
But also, it's weird to run DDin fictional settings.
I like love the idea of it, butI don't think I'd ever actually
click that well.
Cause then you're adding likeweird artificial.
You know how in like Star Warsproperties they just always feel

(01:00:25):
the need to have a Star Warsmain character name-drop
themselves?

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:29):
It never goes well.
Right, right.
So it's like, say for example, Ialready used Daggerheart to run
a One Piece campaign.
I've been bored on the bus, Ihave all the rules I would need
to make that happen.
Right.
I would just make a DevilFruits, a transformation card.
Describe all the spell castingas, oh, you're using objects and

(01:00:50):
shell things, or you have toexplain how you use your devil
fruit to cast a spell.
Like it's doable.
Like it would not be that hard.
A lot of dagger heart campaignframes are only like four pages.
I could in four pages give youeverything you need to make it
one piece campaign.
But I don't think I'd ever bebetter than if I just ran
pirates and made it up.

(01:01:10):
Fair enough.
But what do you think aboutthat?
Like, if I were to like pick afictional, like, let's go with
the Dragon Ball Z tabletop RPG.
That is the thing that people inour personal lives have just
shown like the most interest in,oh, they would totally play a
Dragon Ball Z game.
Right.
I don't think they would.
I think they're bluffing.
And I could absolutely run ittoo.

(01:01:31):
Like, I have an encyclopedicknowledge of the setting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:36):
Yeah, no, uh like these the uh TTRPGs in
particular, it's like DD hasbecome the de facto.
Um and people are actually kindof scared to try anything else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:50):
Well, not just try anything else, it's like the
idea of this fanworks situationto kinda like stay on topic,
when DD is like, here's someMagic the Gathering settings.
I found those worked fine, butthe branding didn't help.
Like, for example, for when wewere running Watersdeep, and I'm
like, oh, this Watersdeep bookdoesn't tell me about anyone in

(01:02:11):
the city of Water's Deep, I'majust grab the Ravnica book and
super glue it.
That worked fine, it gave me allthe NPCs I needed.
But like Niv Visit wasn'tspecial enough to make it
matter.
It just was a smart dragon thatran a guild.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:28):
Although Yeah, that the I I definitely agree.
The the Ravnica kinda helpedbuild the city of Water Deep,
uh, but it wasn't reallywouldn't really be worth running
a campaign of its own.
Uh so it's kinda hard to createa for for tabletop RPGs, it
kinda seems hard to create afan-based content around around

(01:02:49):
them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:50):
And there's always some fan-based combat uh
content.
Like I was kind of alluding towhen I was giving my rant
earlier about comparing yourselfto the entire internet with
everything you do.
I love stage editors andcharacter creators and custom
costume making and things likethat.
To the point of making FoxMcLeod a stormtrooper and Smash
Bros.

(01:03:10):
Brawl.
However, and I'm here's yourthoughts on this.
When you start doing things likeMario Maker, I find that like it
skews too far to like people'sart pie over-elaborate art
pieces or their impossible toplay levels, like take up the

(01:03:30):
entire storefront, and just acompetently made level doesn't
show up.
Uh well s so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:40):
Um so that sort of fan-based content, uh the level
creators and and editors andstuff, like now that you mention
it, the Smash Bros.
Brawl uh homebrew.
Um Actually no, I didn't reallyI didn't really like the Smash
Bros.
Brawl homebrew.
I I liked that you could reskinyour your characters uh if you

(01:04:01):
laid out your image in thecorrect pattern or whatever.
Um that was hard.
But uh changing the mechanics islike, well, again, like I guess
you don't really have the meansto make your own entire game,
especially for the platform.
Uh but I again it's most of thetime when I see fan-based

(01:04:25):
content like that, like SmashBros.
Brawl, minus, as it was called,I believe.
Um I just I wonder why peopledon't just make their own game.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:36):
Um Well, try to follow that one up and oh, go
ahead first.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:42):
Well look bringing that around to uh Mario Maker.
Sorry.
Um Mario Maker allows you tomake the individual levels, but
you're not really making the anentire game, like, and so the
individual levels have like thislimited appeal where you have to

(01:05:04):
either go big with your artpiece or go super hard with your
impossible to do level, and thiswell-designed level in a vacuum
is meaningless without you knowthe rest of the game.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:15):
What's interesting too is they added like an
overworld, but didn't allow youto have multiple exits, so the
overworld was literally just afancy menu.
Because it's like you can't likebranch it or anything.
So it's like Mario Maker'sinteresting because the more you
play it, like the morerestrictions you have, where a
lot of people still just hackSuper Mario World because you
can do more that way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:34):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:35):
But I do have a mini rant that I'm going to get to.
So we've agreed legally thatDragon Ball Z abridge creator
should not make money fordubbing over Dragon Ball Z
content, right?

unknown (01:05:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:49):
We agree that people should not make money for making
a homebrew Mega Man game.
Right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:54):
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:55):
How come ChatGPT gets to do it and make money?
How come they can just scrapeall of Dragon Ball Z, put it in
their Sora 2, and have you typein a prompt to make your own
Dragon Ball Z scene, and that'snot illegal?
Because that's the same thing,right?
Like all AI generated content isjust bad fan content.
Like, if you had ChatGPT elevateto the point where you can just

(01:06:17):
say, make me a Mega Man game, itwould just do the exact same
thing these fan projects do ofstealing the sprites and
rescripting it and puttingtogether their game.
But we're not allowed to makemoney, but corporations can?
What the hell is going on withthat?
Am I just high or something?
Because I don't understand whyit's illegal when a person does
it but not a company.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:40):
Uh well, I mean, do they make money off of it?
Yeah!

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:44):
You buy it.
And you can copyright what itmakes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:50):
You can copyright the videos it makes you and the
text it makes you as yourintellectual property.
Yes.
So they can feed my book into amachine literally take the word
file to my book, put it inChatGPT, and say, rewrite it
less gay, output it, trademarkit, and publish it.
And I'm like, oh, because it'sin a black box, I can't prove
how much of your novel it stole.

unknown (01:07:11):
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:13):
How come it like how is that possibly fair use, but
dubbing over clips isn't?
Ridiculous.
Truly absurd.
But yeah, like, also, how doesMario Maker 3 not come out on
launch of Switch 2 when they'reone of their big features is
their new Switch modes are uhwork as a mouse?
That blows my mind.

(01:07:35):
They're like, hey, we have amouse that works like Mario
Paint, and we put Mario Paint onit.
I'm like, you didn't put MarioMaker on this thing?
Especially when they're like,hey, we're releasing enhanced
Switch 2 enhanced things.
I'm like, you just had to addlike five new tiles.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:51):
That is an interesting point.
The Mario Maker probably wouldfunction just straight up better
on the Switch 2.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:58):
It's the only game I can think of where I'd want a
mouse.
Like the only reason I couldthink of that is like unit
customization.
Like, if I'm putting stickers ona mech or something.
Although to be fair, Nintendosucks right now.
I'm mad at Nintendo.
Because it's like the gameawards are coming up, right?

(01:08:18):
And they have Donkey Kong on thelist of like contenders for game
awards, because every year aNintendo game is somehow on the
top five, like deliberately.
Okay.
Nothing the Switch 2 has put outas Game of the Year material.
People need to stop lying to me.
Donkey Kong, I haven't heardabout in months.
It was shittier than MarioOdyssey and overall content.

(01:08:41):
It just was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:42):
Hmm.
Right, just just a shorter gamebased on the same engine with a
few minor tweaks.
Well, yeah, a few tweaks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:50):
Yeah, like I'll say like terrain destruction.
I can understand how that's nota minor tweak, but it was less
game, less exciting, less peoplecare about it, worse plot
somehow.
So it's like, let's create likeless variety in stages.
Like there's a lot of things oflike, hey, this is a new system,

(01:09:10):
it's 10 years older.
Why isn't this just better?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:15):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:16):
I haven't seen Nintendo put out a clever new
Oh, they talk about Metroid 4being like, hey, it's open world
looter grabber, and I'm like,fuck that, man.
No.
Don't make it the same slop asDestiny 2 or Assassin's Creed.
Like, the slopification of openworlding everything is
ridiculous.
Like, even Sonic got an openworld game, and I'm like, that's

(01:09:37):
about running through courses.
Why would you ever make thatopen world?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:42):
Mario Kart world with the open world.
Did nothing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:46):
Kerry has keep customization going where
Nintendo's having to banhammerpeople making inappropriate cart
every day of their life.
Because that's the first thingpeople are gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:00):
I guess uh inappropriate content is the
most prolific form of fancontent.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most mods are not PG-13.
And like a friend of mine's biginto modding their games, and I
don't really do that.
Like, I can, but I very, rarelysee a mod that I'm like, this
feels like it's worth it.
Like a lot of people are ride ordie, like there's mods out there
for like Mega Man X3 and 5, forexample, they're like, we fixed

(01:10:26):
these objectively bad thingsabout this game.
I look at the mod, I'm like, youdo, but do I really want to
download a file to fix this?
Like, is it yes you fixed it,but I don't think it's worth the
energy to do such.
Cause you're right that it'slike, or you could just make
your own thing, is a validargument.
But also, like, when it comes tofanfiction, I don't write a ton

(01:10:48):
of it, but my brain loves tothink in terms of fanfiction.
Like, I know what your Zomb Octowould do, I know who would be on
my hypothetical world triggerborder squad, I know what
triggers I would do.
Like, my brain likes to playaround in those spaces.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:03):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:04):
So it's like if someone were to be, hey, I'm
going to hire you to work on, Idon't know, a world trigger MMO,
I'd be there so fast I'd getwhiplash.
But like, that makes sense.
If a bunch of people are like,oh, we're a bunch of fan
modders, want to be part of ourfan modding project to turn
Smash Bros.
melee into a Dragon Ball Z game.
I'm like, oh, that seems like alot of work for Minimo game.

(01:11:30):
Like, that seems like entirelytoo much passion.
And people are like, oh, Team 4star gave Dragon Ball Z a second
win in a resurgence, and youshould be thanking them.
I do actually agree with that.
There are people who saw abridge first.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:45):
Yeah, well, see, I do think uh that uh a bridge
series do add um some sort ofvalue to a uh cultural art piece
like that, where um they'rethey're making jokes, they're
pointing out like logicalinconsistencies or flaws with

(01:12:07):
the original, uh, they'rechanging the pacing.
Um and it's like it's this likeI mean maybe I'd feel different
about uh fan-made Mega Man gamesuh if I had played through more
Mega Man games when I wasyounger.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:24):
Uh well let's go like fan-made Pokemon games.
That feels like a good example,because you've played a lot of
Pokemon games.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:31):
Yeah, but see, I I don't really care about fan-made
Pokemon games either.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:35):
Well, it's like the same YouTuber I was following
releases like legacy versions ofPokemon games, which were fan
mods that were like to preservethe intent of the original, but
like clean up things like theexperience curve and Pokemon
distributions and move learningand stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:48):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:49):
And I'm like, that is a good mod, because it's like
a lot of mods are like, oh, Iadded a 600 Pokemon and Mega
Pokemon to Pokemon Red, and it'sso awesome.
And you're like, that's the guyputting too much toppings on the
pizza.
Adding extra everything to adish ruins it.
Right, right.
Where this guy's more like, no,no, I replaced the pepperoni
with Bruch with I don't know, Iwas gonna say like a fancier

(01:13:13):
meat, but no, I replaced thepepperoni with spicy pepperoni,
and like, ooh.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:20):
Keeping the same general vibe, but but heating
things up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:24):
Or oh no, I think the best example is yeah, the
legacy series are like, so I dida pepperoni pizza and you're
like, okay.
But I put garlic butter on thecrust and stuffed it with
cheese, and you're like, okay,you got it.
You nailed it.
And they're like, oh, I alsopulled out the cilantro.
It's like, why was therecilantro on it originally?
I don't know, but there was, soI removed it, because it should

(01:13:47):
never have been there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:49):
Yeah, I don't know.
I do I think maybe that's morewhat it is, is like, um you like
the cilantro?
No, no, no.
Uh when people try to change thecontent instead of preserving
the intent of the original.

(01:14:11):
I I think that's that's what I'mI'm just like, well and I don't
understand mods in generalbecause it's like the if you're
adding something ridiculous likea minigun that shoots mini nukes
to Fallout 4.
And it's just like that's you'renot preserving the intent of the
original, you're just likeadding something ridiculous and

(01:14:32):
dumb.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:33):
Adding mods like that to fill in a void that game
devs when it becomes overcorporate stopped doing.
So, when we go back to SuperNintendo and Nintendo Nintendo
64 in particular, actually,weirdly enough, was one of the
best systems for this.
Devs were not very supervisedand their teams were very small.
So they would just put in randomcrap in your games for fun.

(01:14:55):
Right.
They'd be like, hey, here it'sbig head mode or DK mode.
Or one of the Grand Theft Autos,if you push this button midair,
you just ragdoll fall on theground because it's funny.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:06):
But the more corporate focus droopy things
happen, the less random grab youcan sneak into your game for the
lulls.
So the Fall Gun minigun makes methink of in Command Conquer 2,
uh, Age of Empires 2, wherethere's a cheat code to put in
uh the back to the future carwith machine guns on it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:22):
And I will say some of these mods are because devs
stopped putting random cheatcodes.
Like cheat codes stop being athing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:28):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:28):
Which angers me because we put in achievements,
right?
Right.
And having achievements unlockcheat code stuff would be fun.
And no one did it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:39):
Hmm.
Yeah, that's true.
Cause like Perfect Dark used todid that all the time, where
it's like you would do a uh anachievement type thing.
I'd be like, beat this missionon this difficulty in this
amount of time, and then itwould unlock something like
infinite ammo or something likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:57):
Yeah.
And it's like I'm thinking likecustom robo GameCube, for
example, where like there's aside quest to go on, and if you
talk to like a dude in thecorner, he'd give you the crappy
mech made of Ken Cans.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:10):
Or like you could turn on a button to turn broken
parts on, which were juststronger than regular parts.
But it was like just doingthings in that game got you
custom roboparts.
That was the reward for playingcustom robo.
But whenever a game just givesyou a gamer score, that's not
satisfying.
Like Mega Man X, you can earnthe Hodoken.
Games don't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:31):
Hmm.
That's fair.
Instead, they release that stuffas as DLC.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:38):
Yeah, they do.
If you want all your charactersdressed up as characters from
another game, you give us cash.
So, when it comes to like thefanworks and fan projects, I'm
definitely not the biggest,like, I ha I don't have like a
collection of sick fan games oranything to show.
As you mentioned, a lot ofabridged series, like, even some
of the newer ones, like I wentthrough Goblin Slayer abridged.

(01:16:59):
Mm-hmm.
And it reeks of corporate profitbullshit that, like, and you can
check out our new episodes onour Patreon, and here's our
sponsor, and here's ourActually, I'm gonna dunk on a
concept and a person inparticular that I watched a fair
number of their vids and theypissed me off recently.
Oh?
So, reaction videos where youwatch someone reacting to an

(01:17:20):
episode rather than watching theepisode themselves are is a
weird phenomenon.
Yeah, okay.
So it's already a worse versionof abridging because you're
just, oh, I'm watching a videowatching a guy watching a video
and telling me their feedback onit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:32):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:33):
I was watching those for some new animes that I
couldn't be bothered to watchmyself because like the reaction
videos were a little shorter.

unknown (01:17:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:39):
Or be like, oh, what did this person think of the Owl
House, for example?

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:43):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:44):
But where they've completely lost me is they're
talking about how they gotcopyright claimed and couldn't
make money on their videobecause they got claimed for the
songs and the clips they'reshowing.
And I'm like, fuck you! Your dayjob is to watch someone else's
media and talk about it.
I don't care if your sponsorshipgets lost or this is your jaw,

(01:18:04):
and they'll bitch about how hardtheir job is.
I'm like, fuck off.
You're literally just playingclips and talking, and got lucky
that people found you engagingor charming enough to keep doing
it.
You should be thanking God everygoddamn day of your life you can
pay your rent with thisbullshit.
Cause you, like cryptocurrency,add nothing of actual value to
the world whatsoever.

(01:18:26):
And I'm like, I was watching youand you're being light and
breezy, but now that you're likeupset that people aren't
understanding your YouTuberstruggles, fuck right off with
that.
The fact you have sponsors atall is insane.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:40):
So people don't like watching privileged people
complain about their privilege?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:44):
It's crazy, because they don't see it.
They don't see it, Carl! Theydon't see it.
They don't understand that,like, if me and you were to
change our podcast to me and youputting on an episode of a show
and then talking about it livewhile it was playing?
We should not be monetized forusing their clips to fill half
of our show.

(01:19:05):
Even though ChatGPT can't do itsomehow without any illegal
problems.
They should be more mad at that,honestly.
They should be less mad that,like, oh, I got demonetized and
more mad that so why is StabAltman monetized for doing the
same thing?
That's what people should bemissed about.

(01:19:27):
But moving on from that, tellyour third story.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:31):
Oh no, you aren't actually gonna let me tell my
third story.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:35):
Yeah, I just had a fuck with you a bit.
Man, I've used too many F-bombs,we're gonna get demonetized.
And I'm gonna be so upset.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:41):
Because we were totally monetized in the first
place.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:44):
I do find it funny, like, we haven't got to like a
copyright strike, but we've gotto the couple of, do you own
this background music?
And I'm like, do we?
No, not really.
I didn't think anyone was thatupset about I put in the credits
that we're using the HDremastered but-but background
music from Dragon Ball Super,but I guess I'm upset.
Oh well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:04):
Um, okay, so uh no matter what time of year you're
listening to our podcast, uhChristmas draws closer.
Like the holidays of the firstone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:13):
Oh, I need to make a bit first.
I need to make a bit.
So I was talking with a relativeof mine who will remain nameless
for this, and they're giving therants people love to give.
There's Pride Month, there'sBlack History Month, there's
this month.
Where is Christian Pride Month?
Where is Christ where isstraight people month?

(01:20:36):
It's called December.
Cause it's been what?
Um Yeah, negative three daysinto December, and I've seen
four Carolers.
I've seen Santa.
I've heard music.
We're not even in December yet.
So if you're honestly believingthat Christians have it rough

(01:20:57):
because they don't get their ownmonth, open your eyes and look
outside.
And yeah, as you said, at anytime of year, if you'll open
your eyes in a store, you willprobably see a Christmas
something or other.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:09):
Well, I mean, that wasn't really really my point.
My point was to tell me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:13):
That would be hilarious if that was your
point.
There's no way that was gonna beyour point.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:20):
My point was just to say that, you know, even if
you're watching this in January,Christmas still draws closer.
Uh but anyway.
You know, that's just how timeworks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:33):
Nah, we're technically stuck in a third
dimensional.
Once you get to the fourthdimensional point of view, it
really forms more of aloop-de-loop.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:43):
So, uh, you know, uh, the closer you get to
Christmas, the the more uhholiday festivities there are.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:50):
And hatred.
And don't forget hatred andsuicide, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:55):
I mean that's also true, but I like to, you know,
focus on more positive thingslike uh the uh the enchanted
forest.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:02):
Or I like to complain about my privilege.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:06):
The enchanted forest, which which is a uh
light display uh that puts onlike that's put on by the zoo
foundation.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:16):
It's not that the L'Reddle Forestry Farm.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:19):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:20):
That one is beautiful.
Shout out to Saskatchewan forhaving a gorgeous Christmas
light display.
And this is coming from me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:27):
Um or uh there's like the festival of trees,
where they take the the WesternDevelopment Museum and they just
like put up a whole bunch oftrees that I don't know,
apparently the trees are forsale and they come with like
gift packages and stuff.
They're kind of kind of fancytrees.
Um but so you know uh my fianceand I went to the festival of
trees and uh then we're like,yeah, you know, maybe we should

(01:22:49):
like decorate our tree and anduh listen to Christmas music.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:53):
I mean yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:54):
And so So you know, we we decorate a tree, we're l
listening to Christmas music,and uh the song It's the most
wonderful time of the year comeson.
Um and it's going through, andone of the lines is that
there'll be ghost stories andtales of the glories of times
long, long ago.
Technically true.
Um and I mean this isn't thefirst time that I've I've

(01:23:17):
thought about this, so like Ithink it was actually last year
when I thought about it, and Iwas like, why doesn't it say
ghost stories?
Like, what does that have to dowith Christmas or the holidays
or anything?
And apparently, becauseChristmas is around the winter
solstice, uh people used tobelieve that it was when the
time when spirits are closest tothe the earth.
Um and so they would uh try andscare each other with ghost

(01:23:40):
stories because there wasn'tmuch else to do back in the day
when you're sitting around thefire and you know spirits are
close, so people get scaredeasily.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:50):
Um but this year, I was thinking it was like, well,
um aside from a future episode.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:02):
Aside from a Christmas carol.
Um like there aren't I I don'tknow of any Christmas ghost
stories.
Oh, all of them.
Santa is a ghost.
Santa's a ghost.
That would that would makesense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:17):
Especially the times that when you kill him, you
become him.
That's some poltergeistbehavior.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's true.
That's that's some crazysupernatural stuff.
Um but so I actually I managedto find a website that had uh 12
um ghost stories, Christmasghost stories, they say.
Um and I've all I've only readtwo of them so far.

(01:24:45):
Uh so I'll I'm I'll have to readmore.
And maybe, who knows?
Maybe that maybe part of that'llbe part of a future episode
talking about holiday ghoststories or holiday stories in
general.
Uh because I'm I am a little bitcurious, probably in a future
episode, I'll ask you, A, whatmakes a good ghost story, B,
what makes a good Christmasstory, then C, how do you
combine those two thingstogether?

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:06):
This is just gonna be our next episode, we do.
This is a good episode, pitch,which is why I was gonna deny
you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:15):
Well, I'll have to send you this website.
Since you're on uh Christmasbreak, perhaps you'll actually
have time to to read thesestories.
It's funny.
But yeah, maybe But anyways,yeah, so I that that that was
really the entire the entirething is it's like, yeah, I
actually found a website thathas assumably you're supposed to

(01:25:38):
read them for the twelve days ofChristmas.
Uh that's why there's twelve, Iassume, but I guess I've been
reading them already.
Only read two.
The first one wasn't really aChristmas story at all.
It was just it happened to be inwinter time, and these guys are
like sitting in a tavern typeplace telling each other ghost
stories.

(01:25:58):
Uh and the one of them was like,Oh, I know a ghost story about
this very tavern.
And then tells a story about theguy that hung himself and uh
tried to strangle his father asa ghost.
Um then when the other guy'sjust like, ah, I bet I can scare
you with that ghost story.
Uh and then uh he startspranking them with pretending to

(01:26:19):
be this ghost, and uh one of hisother friends just pulls out a
gun and shoots him.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:24):
Flawless.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:25):
Flawless strategy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:29):
Uh the other one was a little bit more of a of a
Christmas story, but also alittle bit macabre.
Uh a guy goes into a pawn shopon Christmas Day, uh, and the
pawn shop owner's like, no, uh,we're closed, it's Christmas.
And he's like, Yeah, but youlike money, and I need Christmas
gift for my girlfriend, so maybewe can come to an agreement.

(01:26:51):
And the guy's like, Yeah, you'reright, I do like money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:54):
So you're kind of right about this tangent.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:58):
So he goes to uh the peruves his wares, and uh the uh
customer, Markheim.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:09):
Not to be mistaken for Loheim.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:12):
So Markheim uh he just like stabs the the shop
owner in the back and kills him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:18):
Um you know what's really funny?
The stories you've told aboutpizza antidotes, I feel like
like an AI would assume this wasjust happening at your
workplace.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:31):
Uh but so so uh Markheim starts like looting the
place, uh the the house theguy's house is connected to his
business, so he grabs the guy'skeys, gets into the house, and
he's like trying to search youfor money.
Uh when the door opens behindhim and he looks and it's an
entity that kind of looks likehim but kinda not.

(01:27:52):
And it starts discussing withit, it's like, hey, you know,
this guy's made is probablygonna come back soon.
And uh you'll get the deathpenalty if she finds you.
So, as a Christmas gift, I'lltell you where the money is so
you can get out of here beforeuh before she shows up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:10):
Makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:11):
And he's all like, I don't know if I want to do deals
with devils.
And the entity is like, whoknows if I'm a devil?
Uh I really exactly what a devilwould say.
I really uh would like it if uhif you were able to, you know,
keep living and doing evilstuff.

(01:28:32):
I don't really care about you, Ijust I just want you to keep
doing evil stuff.
Uh and he's all like, yeah, youknow, I do need this money
because I lost all of my moneyin day trading and I want to do
some more day trading.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:46):
Uh crypto bros really are my natural nemesis no
matter what era.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:52):
Uh but so you know they're having this back and
forth about uh about whether ornot he should just, you know,
accept the help from the entity.
Uh and then the maid shows upand he realizes that he doesn't
want to be evil, so he just goesdown to the front door and opens
it, and he's like, Yeah, youshould call the police because I
killed your master, and that wasthe end of that story.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:13):
It's so funny to be like, Tangent one, my life,
tangent two, my life, tangentthree, ghost stories I found on
the internet about Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:22):
Well, like I said, the first one wasn't really a
Christmas story, it justhappened to be set in
wintertime.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:27):
Which I mean I But it's such a I knew this would be
a black hole topic though,because like obviously the
follow-up is what makes aChristmas movie, and just before
we know it, I'm given a full-onsoliloquy about the Christmas
values found within Die Hard.
Like it was such a like slipperyslope.
I'm like, no, we're talkingabout fanworks and fanfiction.

(01:29:50):
And what I learned from this isCarl doesn't read much
fanfiction or believe in fangames or fanworks, which would
have been useful knowledgebefore the episode topic was
picked.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:02):
You're like, I don't want to talk about fan fiction,
I want to talk about ghoststories.
You can put it in a text.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:10):
No, I don't mind telling fan stories.
I I enjoyed it.
Talk about a fan story.
Do it right out.
Well, you know, I did, you know,Ghost Snapper.
He was my favorite character.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:20):
No, no, no.
Do more.
Go on.
Go somewhere with this.
Have a take.
I'm throwing you on the spotnow.
And you did this yourself.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:27):
Have a take of all the fanfiction.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:29):
Well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:31):
I mean, like I say, you know, it fanfiction to me uh
feels like in a lot of ways it'sa a a shortcut to producing
content that you really want.
And if you're you know making itfor yourself, that's fine,
that's one thing.
You know what?
And if you want to publish itonline and see if other people
like your fan content, I meanthat's that's a perfectly valid

(01:30:52):
way to enjoy uh content and andhopefully add value.
Um but I do think that thesepeople with with this obsessive
uh nature about the sort of fanfandom that they have, if they
they could redirect their energyand just create something
original, you know?

(01:31:13):
Like maybe maybe it would bederivative though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:16):
So here's the thing about fanfiction that you're not
quite grasping of why part ofwhy people do it.
And this is like somewhatparaphrased from academic uh and
some part paraphrase my ownexperience.
When you create a piece offanwork, you have an automatic
baseline of people who areinterested in it, i.e.
other fans.
When you create originalcontent, people are less

(01:31:39):
invested.
So as someone who's put out myown fantasy novels, what do you
think people are gonna talkabout me more with?
With the Waltz of Blades orNaruto?
So like realistically, had Itaken my story and instead made
a piece of Naruto fanfiction andreleased it every week, I take
less emotional risk for mycreativity because I'm

(01:32:00):
leveraging this existing thauthority and brand power, and
people are less dicks to youabout it.
So, like, I've gotten so much oflike your own original work
makes me think that I don't careabout fiction anymore, or oh,
there's a typo on the thirdpage.
But if it's fanfiction, peopledon't treat it as seriously, and

(01:32:21):
they're willing to give you morebenefit because you're a fellow
fan.
Like, me and you have had many aconversation about every piece
of media.
Like, we've never wrotefanfiction.
But my god, have we not hadlike, oh, here's why Aizen would
technically lose in a fight toEmmy a Kitserugi converse ass
conversations.

(01:32:41):
Like, our fandom takes a lot ofwho would beat who, what would
you do in what setting, whatconcept is interesting.
But I've never had thatexperience happen from one of my
intellectual properties I'vegiven you.
So you've never been like, oh,this is how I would use magicite
in the Waltz of Blades, or oh,this is the course I would teach

(01:33:03):
as an Esper professor.
So it's like by having that fanbasis, people seem more
comfortable to discuss somethingbecause it's become less
personal.
So like, even though you'vewe've literally co-wrote a
magical menagerie, we never talkabout that.
But if I were to send you a textbeing like, Alright, which

(01:33:26):
Pokemon should I change fromground type to rock type, you'd
have answers for me instantly.
So like it's easier to answer.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:35):
I can see your point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:36):
Yeah, like if I were to send you a message and be
like, I'm making a CanadaPokedex, what would the Canadian
regional variant of a Tauros be?
Is easier to answer than, hey,I'm doing a wave of edits on
Monster Menagerie, I need a newvariation of Esper Squirrel.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:51):
I I just I feel like the natural extension of that
catering the the fan-based typething is is how Hollywood has
gotten to where it is withalways making sequels and
remakes because they're quoteunquote safe.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:07):
Oh yeah.
Um and I'm saying that peopleare just as bad.
It's a symptom, not a disease.
Like, Hollywood remakes are asymptom of people being less
willing to invest in otherpeople's creativity and take a
risk on backing something thatisn't popular.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:25):
Well, I don't know, maybe that's why I never
actually finished any projectseither.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:30):
Right?
Like, it's funny to joke about,like, if I were writing
fanfiction, the amount offanfiction I would have written,
because as you're aware, I havefive unpublished books sitting
on my shelf about to go intocreative writing class where I
have to write three chapters andthree short stories, and I'm
probably gonna use that tofinish the arcana.
Since now I can make anotherwave of professors read my book

(01:34:52):
and give me feedback.
Right, right.
But like people would probablyit's like if someone were to
read the incarna in itsentirety, I still think they
would pivot the conversation toneuromancer.
And we would end up talkingabout neuromancer instead.
And note, I'm not gonna be outhere and talk about neuromancer
not being good.

(01:35:12):
I'm not on mess.
Like.
Like, I had a lengthyconversation about the
foundation yesterday.
And I'm not about to writefoundation fanfic, because my
god, would that be hard.
Like, you know how hard it wouldbe to write something that fits
into the foundation timelinewell?
Like, oh, I'm just gonna writeI'm just gonna Yeah, I'm gonna

(01:35:35):
write some Oh man.
But yeah, that's my closingrant.
But do you have thoughts nowthat I've monologued at you?

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:47):
No, my my thoughts are still kind of the same where
I just I don't I don't know whatthe solution is, but I do wish
that the people who have all ofthis creative energy and talent
Oh, I do know the solution.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:02):
I know this.
It's really easy the solution,but no one ever does it.
Okay.
If you want to move people awayfrom making fan derivatives and
create original work, you knowwhat you do?
What?
You talk to people about theiroriginal work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:20):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:21):
No one ever wants to do that.
No one ever wants to like readsomething original and then
write an email and be like,you're like, let's even take
take it to a larger scale.
Let's take like a movie you'veseen recently that wasn't part
of a franchise and wasn'toriginal work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:37):
A movie I've seen recently that wasn't part of a
franchise and wasn't originalwork.
That you liked.
Mmm, um, Heretic.
Heretic was a really good movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:46):
So what you do here is you either post an article
about Heretic being a goodmovie, or write an email to some
of the members of the Hereticteam be like, this was a good
movie, and I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:56):
Hmm, fair enough.
That's it.
There is not enough positivereinforcement on the internet,
that's true.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:01):
Like, all I do with my social media is positive
reinforce people's writing andworks.
Especially in this AI age too,like it's so easy to make deri
it's never been easier to makederivative crap.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:16):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:17):
AI loves making fanfic.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:20):
Well, the AI can't make anything without content to
base it on.

unknown (01:37:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:25):
Although I will say, like.
Yet again, I've given my rants.
I'm not that opposed to peopleusing digital tools with their
creativity.
As long as they have somethingto say.
The problem is people will haveyou ask you to read something an
AI wrote that they themselveshaven't even read or enjoyed.
I'm like, if you're gonna makeCarl read your book, you have to
at least like the ideas in yourbook.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:47):
Fair enough.
But uh with that, maybe weshould move on to our uh random
question of the day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:53):
Alright, we got two of them in this week.
Fortnite?
So the first random question ofthe Fortnite Okay.
What is your favorite one piecevillain?

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:04):
My favorite one-piece villain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:06):
Um which is funny because you've had to do it by
mo-osmosis.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:14):
Well, so I mean how far have I gotten?
Because crocodile, I thinkthere's crocodile.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:22):
Uh oh, have you heard the crocodile is Lucy's is
Luffy's mom theory?

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:29):
Yeah, and then he got hit by the one prisoner
guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:33):
I cannot tell how woke Oda is, it's impossible.
Because he's either the most orthe least woke person.
It it was like when I wasearlier being like, ah, Chainsaw
Man, I can't tell how wellwritten this is, and I'm like,
no, no, it's well written.
One piece I'm like, I thinkOda's like just sneaking
progressive values through Showand Jump's conservative editors,
one gay, gay punch at a time.

(01:38:54):
Because I'm like, is itoffensive to be like this is the
island of gay people?
Yes, but also he has more gaypeople in his series than the
rest of Show and Jump puttogether, and not all of them
are stereotypes, some are reallycool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:07):
Um But you know what, I I have the respect uh
for Bugsy.
Um Buggy?
Buggy, yeah, Buggy.
Uh because he's like one of thethe earliest villains.
Um and unlike a lot of otherseries where a villain is just
gone forever as soon as they'redefeated, he's been put in the

(01:39:30):
hustle in the background and hasbecome one of the four emperors
of the scene.
Oh yeah.
Like, he's mad respect for thatguy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:37):
Buggy is like a goaded pick.
Like, I think like if we were toactually pull the fan base for
favorite villain, he'd probablytop threes.
Because he's basically evilHercule.
Like, he's just getting all thevillain cred for saving the war
for being the villa like, yeah,he's just if Hercule got the
cred for being evil instead ofgood.
Which is amazing.
Like, literally, he's in a guildof crocodile and mihawk now.

(01:39:58):
They're like, what do we do withhim?
It's like, well we could killhim, but might as well let him
keep being taking strays.
So uh I know I like to bedifferent in a contrarian, but I
actually just agree becausethat's also my favorite pick.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:14):
Yeah, he's just such a Wong Kong uh character that's
just been so active in theseries for such a long time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:22):
Right?
Like he's built upward in abeautiful way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:25):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:26):
So, like, I agree.
I also, to be fair though, Iprefer the Netflix one piece to
the original.
Which in the next piece in theNetflix one, they introduced
Garp way earlier as anantagonist, and he's not a
villain.
He is an antagonist.
But by like having the seriesjump between Luffy and the
Marines back and forth, it makesthe show so much better.

(01:40:48):
That I'm like, yeah, if hecounts as a villain, it's Garp,
and if he doesn't, it's Buggy.
Buggy V clown.
Although One Piece is weirdbecause like it's hard to like a
lot of villains just end upbeing grayer in the middle
because everyone Well, it has adreams-based power system.
Like, people are there to followtheir dreams, and you become

(01:41:08):
evil for not following yourdreams, not for being evil.
So if you're a sociopath butyou're following your dreams,
the show treats you like you'rea good person.
But when you give up on yourdreams and become a sellout,
you're the worst person.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:23):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:25):
And our second random question, I just need to
pull it up here on this y oldtext file of random questions.
Come on, brain, read faster.
Oh, this is an interesting one.

(01:41:47):
If you had a personal robotassistant in the style of
Captain Laserhawk, where it's anincarcerated prisoner being used
to VR pilot the robot, what isthe first task you'd make it do?
You do not know that a convictis piloting your robot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:59):
I do not know that a convict is piloting my robot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:02):
So I don't know if you've seen Captain Laserhawk
yet, but the idea is they putpeople in this prison in VR
headsets to work off their likesentence.
And it's a shock collar VRheadset that they used to pilot
a robot body, and that's howtheir robots work?
Huh.
Right?
How c like, oh, that's such agood plot point.
So they had someone likebasically playing crazy taxi and
would be tased when they didn'tmake good runtimes and that's

(01:42:22):
how their Ubers self-drivingcars worked.
Anyway, what would you ask thisrobot, your robot assistant to
do?
And they can't talk to you ortalk back, but it just feels
uncanny, like you know thatthere's a tortured human out
there, but you're not sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:40):
Um, what would I ask a robot to do for me?

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:44):
I'm gonna be a basic bitch about it.
Clean my room.
Sorry, my room needs somecleaning.
Clean my apartment, please,robot.
I don't need it to do anything.
Like, I do a lot of fun creativestuff.
I don't need it for that.
I need it to like fold myclothes and wash my bedding.
It has work to do.

(01:43:06):
Uh.
Okay.
I think.
Oh, is it gonna be super sad andyou're gonna have it play
checkers with you because it'syour first real friend?
Oh, sorry.
Star Trek 3D tri Star Trek 3Dchess, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:24):
I was gonna say, Leo, like, uh, it would be great
to have a friend, I have arobot, buddy, to uh play test
games with, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:33):
Oh man.
I'm coming along on a thing I'vebeen like a game I've been
working on between commutes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:39):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:40):
But like, yeah.
Nah, I'm definitely using myrobot for bitch work.
Like, I'm I'm sorry for thisincarcerated prisoner that I'm
making clean my lo like do mylaundry and scrub things, but my
ADHD is makes me really bad athumaning.
So hard tasks are easy for me,but easy tasks are brutal for
me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:00):
I'm I'm I'm not sure if I'm that much better at
humaning than you are, uh, but Ido have a worry that if I get a
robot to start sorting mythings, uh, then I won't know
where anything is.
And if the robot becomesunavailable for some reason,
then I won't be able to findanything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:14):
Where like looking at my desk with his three
randomly scattered books andlike container of jube jubes and
Pokemon mug, I'm like, no no no,I'm sure it's sorting would be
better than mine.
Like I still can't findanything, but at least I know it
was put somewhere with intent.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:31):
Hmm mm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:33):
I have a fucking college branded USB coffee cup
warmer that I got out, I think,just sitting on my desk.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:41):
USB coffee mug warmer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:43):
Yeah, that's gonna burn down my house someday.
There's no way to prevent this.
It is impossible.
No way at all.
Absolutely impossible.
Alright.
And let's see, do we have oneother question?
Oh do we have another question?
We have a third question.
You get to make a new Pokemon.

(01:45:05):
What does it look like?
And what is its ability?

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:08):
What is its ability?

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:10):
It's just its ability.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:14):
Um I looked at the first the first thing I saw in
my room here, uh, is the uh theball model kit, the Gundam Ball.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:30):
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:30):
Um uh and so that was like the first thing I
thought of was like, oh yeah,ball Pokemon, that's original,
until I realized that theoriginal 151 had Voltorb and
Electrode.
I was like, ah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:41):
But they don't have the grabby arms.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:44):
I mean that's true, they don't have the grabby arms.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:47):
Um I'm gonna give a hot take here for mine first.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:54):
So if I gotta make a new Pokemon, and I know we've
been talking about fan contentthis episode.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:58):
I think I'm actually.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:01):
This is gonna be weird, but I was so frustrated
with the aloe invariants thatwere just fat versions of them.
I think I am making Elo inPersian.
And but I'm making it look likea slick panther thing.
Like I'm making it look like ita cool evolution of alone meow.
And what its ability was isgonna do is it's crit it's gonna

(01:46:26):
have like I don't have a namefor it.
But mechanically what it's gonnado is it's actually gonna bring
back to Gen 1 mechanic, but thehigher your speed is, the higher
your crit rate is.
So its ability is gonna be likecrit hitter, where its crit rate
goes up for based on your speedstat.
Hmm.
Because that way it's like botha callback to when Persian was

(01:46:47):
really good, but asgame-breaking because it's an
ability.
And then I fixed a low inPersian, which is just the
biggest disappointment in mylife.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46:57):
Okay.
Uh I think um my favoritePokemon is Togekiss.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:06):
You know, I was gonna say Butterfree, but I know
it's Togekiss.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:11):
Butterfree is uh the probably my second favorite
Pokemon.
Then my third favorite isprobably Doogong.
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:18):
This feels right.
I feel like I know this aboutyou.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:22):
Uh but um I think that my my new Pokemon, the
design, would be somewhat basedon Togekiss.
Um so it would look kind of likea Togekiss, uh, but it would be
made of bubbles.

unknown (01:47:37):
Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:38):
Have like a cool like bull tail that comes out.
Um and its ability would besomething like uh slippery.
Nice.
Uh where uh have something to dowith physical attacks um not not
getting reflected, um butperhaps adding like random

(01:48:04):
variants, I don't know if I'dwant to put that in an ability,
but like I guess you putcritical hits in your ability,
so I don't know, the higherpower the physical attack, the
more likely it is to miss whenthey when they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:15):
Uh that's actually really fun though.
Uh so I have an answer of anactual Pokemon now that I've
stalled for time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:22):
So I want to make a fire water type that's like a
flaming copabara, that's like aCindabarra.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:28):
A Cindabarra, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:30):
And what I want it to do is when it's hit by water,
it switches into being a waterpoison type for a turn, and then
reignites.
So like you put it out, and thenit's like poisonous ash, and
then it lights back up.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:47):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:49):
But yeah, uh, Cindabara, the fire captivaro
Pokemon.
With a little orange on itshead.
Actually, no, I'm gonna go withlike a little fireball on its
head, like the orange.
Great.
But thank you everybody fortuning into our Corporate Cello
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SPEAKER_03 (01:49:12):
Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, you gotta do all the
self-care yourself.
I mean, we're not gonna do itfor you, we're not bringing that
to you either.
I kinda wish we could.
It's a good idea to hydrate andstay exercise.
You just, you know, we can't dothat for you, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:25):
You know, I kind of want to add a random question of
the day myself, because I'm justcurious.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:29):
Oh?

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:30):
Who who would be your dream first sponsor?

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:34):
My dream first sponsor?
Oh, wow.
I mean, okay, actually, hmm.
See, I would say Wizards of theCoast.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:47):
That would I because of the irony alone, that would
be so good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:52):
It would be pretty good.
I mean, I I've come to the pointwhere it's like I don't really
believe in them as a company.
So it would it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:59):
But that's what makes our sponsorship so good
though.
Because we would say, we don'tbelieve you as a company, but
this has been sponsored byWizards of the Coast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:12):
That would be pretty funny.
Yeah, I'm thinking I think inWizards of the Coast probably
would be the my dream's firstsponsor.
Uh, but I don't think they wouldever sponsor us because we have
too much of a negative opinionabout them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:24):
Yeah, but that would involve them listening to our
previous episodes.
They would never know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:30):
They're gonna find out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:32):
They'll never know.
They'll have to listen to youstart talking about ghost
stories for no reason in themiddle of the episode, like in
something new with you.
Is this actually an option?
So I was looking up Canadiancompanies, right, to try and
figure out like it'd be goodsponsorship.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:51):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:53):
And it's like, you know it'd be hilarious to be
sponsored by the RaccoonAppreciation Society.
I would have no problem at allgiving out like I don't think
they'd have to pay me.
I think if the RaccoonAppreciation Society said, Hey,
can you give us a shout-out?
Done! Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:15):
Shout out to the Raccoon Association Society.
Thanks for existing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:22):
But like, more seriously, like, oh man.
There's a few, like, uh,something overtly Canadian would
be great.
Like, I know I throw a lot ofshades up, but Tim Hortons would
actually be awesome.

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:32):
That would be a sick sponsorship.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:37):
If we just got cards that gave us infinite Tim
Hortons by promoing them, that'dbe great.
Like, as much as I love to hatethem, I do have a Tim Hortons
credit card attached to my TimHortons app, so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:51:48):
That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:51):
Uh so yeah, I'm gonna say Raccoon Appreciation
Society in first place.
I'd also love to be sponsored bylike the Toronto Public Library.
I think that's my real answer,is the public library sponsoring
us would be great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:04):
Or the Toronto Zoo.
I mean, I'd say the Saskatoonzoo in Forestry Farm.
Uh, but uh, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:12):
We actually give the Forestry Farm a fair amount of
shout-outs because they'reobjectively like there's such
like a healthy way to set up azoo, and like, oh no, we just
put a fence around the animalsthat were there.
And they're happy to be therebecause that's where they're
from.
And I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:28):
The zoo might, the Saskatoon zoo might be getting
polar bears soon, and I'mconflicted because stupid polar
bears.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:39):
Just stupid polar bears.
Episode ends, flawless no-dotes,10 out of 10.
We're just gonna turn on thenews tomorrow.
It's gonna be like Carl redactedhates polar bears.
It'll be a guy with the Carltattoo, like full chess piece
being like I used to believe inhim.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:02):
They let me down, those polar bears at the Toronto
Zoo.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:06):
Erin Breath noble.
Uh bye.
Bye.
Uh man though, the Wizards ofthe Coast sponsorship would be
so good.
Wizards of the Coast, they don'tsend armed guards to your house,
Wink!

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