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Richard and Karl critique anime's problematic tropes while exploring the ethics of charity, business responsibilities, and graduation ceremonies.
• Discover how the Titanic board game works with passengers, lifeboats, and flooding mechanics
• Debate the ethical complexity of giving away free food versus supporting systemic change
• Explore the ethics of performing welfare checks on elderly customers showing signs of memory issues
• Experience Richard's graduation ceremony, complete with academic traditions and awkward encounters as he Han Solo's the president
• Analyze problematic anime tropes including exploding clothes, mid-season character dumps, and hypersexualization
• Consider how certain anime concepts fail in execution despite having interesting premises
• Discuss examples of anime that stumble at the ending like "Kaido: The Right Answer"
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good unspecified time period.
My name is Richard with an Rand welcome to Richard and Carl
with a K.
Presents Deep Space and Dragons.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And I am Carl.
I'm going to specify this is amedieval podcast because of the
dragons, I'll allow it.
I mean, space has always beenthere, so you know.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I mean, space has always been there, so you know
it's true.
It's like it's alwaysinteresting to me, because I was
getting a monologue the otherday about people sorting things
into categories, right, okay.
And if you were to say thatStar Wars is science fantasy,
you'd be right, because there'sjust wizards shooting lightning,
right.
So if you were to tell me thatdeep space and dragons is a
(00:45):
medieval podcast, I immediatelythink of the spaceship that got
shot down with a dragon with amana cannon on its back, and I'm
like, yeah, sure, because, like, if a spaceship shows up in
your fantasy series, providedyou're mythical enough about it,
you stay fantasy until youstate otherwise.
Because, like, if we learnedthat Sauron and the One Ring
(01:06):
came from space, it would beterrible, but it would still be
fantasy.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I mean, and even in the Star Wars lore it's
like they use kyber crystalsthat respond to emotions to
power their technologicallyadvanced lightsabers.
So it's like there istechnology but it's kind of
magical at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yep, and also they don't know how long an hour is
they do not.
Alright, so what's new with you?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, First a mini movie board game review.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh, spicy.
Wait, did you watch Clue?
Because Clue is amazing.
No, no.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I guess that'd be a board game movie, not a movie
board game.
We went to London Drugs andthey had they had the Titanic.
No, sorry, titanic.
The board game on for $7.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I also would probably cave for that for sheer
curiosity.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, $7 for Titanic the board game, and yeah, so we
purchased it because it wascheap and we we tried it out.
It's kind of interesting.
Um, you're on the titanic,you're in the room, individual
rooms, uh, and the rooms willhave like passengers, action
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cubes, lifesavers, a bunch ofdifferent stuff, and you go
around and you're trying to takepassengers and get them onto
the lifeboats which are oneither side of the ship.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I really hope there's a game mechanic where you have
to try and get people to stopmaking out inside the parked car
to save them.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, they're not exactly.
There are different star cardsthat you can buy for locations,
events, scenes and locations,items, scenes, and there was one
more, I can't remember, of thescene cards.
(03:20):
The one of the scene cards wasit's worth five victory points
and you get bonus points if yousing.
The chorus to my Heart Will GoOn.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's actually amazing.
That was more fun than I wasexpecting this board game to be.
I'm gonna be real.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But so then, obviously, you're trying to move
people from pickup passengersto take them to the boats, and
the board is divided into fourcolumns with four rows.
At the end of each turn, one ofthose columns will start to
flood, and when a whole row isflooded, then the flood line
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rises up and everything in thatrow is, uh, removed from the
game and all those passengersare dead and whatever, um, and
so you have to try and save asmany passengers as you can using
the action cubes that you pickup from the board, um, and then
get to the top of the ship toget onto your own lifeboat, uh,
within nine rounds just to givea meta comment here, because
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it's kind of really funny to me.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So, pre-podcast, I was explaining the rules to
Daggerheart to you and I havethis instinct right now to be
like do we really need to coverall the game mechanics?
Like I didn't do that verbatimwithout the mug on less than a
minute ago.
Oh, but please continue.
I just need to put out theirony between my internal
monologue and reality.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I just need to put out the irony between my
internal monologue and reality.
And I mean I would say, overallit was pretty pretty fun.
I mean to be fair for $7, ithas to be more fun than a
seven-piece chicken nuggets atthis point with flimflation,
yeah, it was more fun than sevenMcNuggets.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, don't sue us McDonald's, but I also haven't
done the budget on your nuggets.
Also, make your prices cheaper.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, definitely worth $7.
I don't know what it would beworth full price, but it was fun
enough and there were enoughdifferent strategies to
potentially win that me, myroommate and my brother ended up
with within one point of eachother.
I ended up winning by one point.
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Then the next person was onepoint down.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I assume by drawing nude sketches of all the other
players for a star card.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
See, my strategy was just to fill the lifeboats.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What your plan was to responsibly exit the Titanic.
Did you learn nothing from thatmovie?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
My brother.
He played Rose's fiancé.
I can't remember his name now,but he was kind of a douchebag.
He was kind of a douchebag andyou know, at the end of the
movie he grabs the child like Ihave a child, let me on the boat
.
And it's just some other randomperson's child.
Anyways, each player also getsa secret objective, and my
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brother's secret objective?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I hope one of them is Sink the Titanic.
No one of your plays is theiceberg.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
My brother's secret objective Was one victory point
To a maximum of ten For Everypassenger that is lost to sea.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So yes, actually he was on the side of the iceberg,
that is correct.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah.
So it's like there's red guysthat are worth three points,
grey guys that are worth there,there's red guys that are worth
three points, gray guys over twopoints and green guys are worth
one point, and he literally didnot save any green guys,
because they were worth just asmany points on the boat as they
were on the iceberg for him thatfeels charged racially in any
(07:04):
event, mini review over uh sevenout of ten that's pretty good
higher review than a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It just doesn't do it for me until the time travel
aspect, like in a vacuum, no,but as part of the cameron
cinematic universe.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Check whatever early episodes for that journey okay,
but now I don't know if I'mactually going to make this a
regular segment or not.
But Ethical question time.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh, wow, you know what?
That's a fantastic recurringsegment.
Last time I just roasted youfor not like paying delivery
drivers hourly wages.
Let's see how far I can digmyself here, Because now it's on
the can that?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Richard doesn't believe in tips?
Okay, well, so I mean, firstly,I can't think of the best word
to describe it but I do feel abit foolish for complaining
about Red Cross not giving ourdelivery driver a tip and then
Saskatchewan going into a stateof emergency like within a week
after that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I mean to be fair, though, that let me roast you to
my friends all week, Alright.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
But this is unrelated to the wildfires.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
They're not caused by James Cameron.
Alright, good to know, no, so?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I've said before, you know I'm conflicted, uh, when
uh, like homeless people or justpeople in general, because you
don't actually know what theirsituation is.
When people come in and they askfor free food and even if we
have free food that's literallygoing in the garbage we have to
say no for health and safetyreasons.
Sure, well, I mean, we don'thave to say no, but there are a
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variety of reasons why we do sayno, and they're mostly centered
around the health and safety ofour staff members, because we
don't know these people'ssituation and they're likely to
come back and potentially beangry or violent if we say no
the next time when we don't have.
Ah, anyway, it's more about thefact that I'm conflicted
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because I don't like the idea ofwasting food and throwing it
out, but I don't think that weshould just give it away,
because then they'll come backand it undermines our business
and it potentially puts ourstaff members at risk if they do
get violent or angry.
Uh, and you know we're notequipped to deal with mental
health issues like that andstuff for homeless people in
(09:32):
particular, but uh, anyways, sothere's also not really about
sorry, go ahead, is that not?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
your ethical question .
No, no, no, no, all right,you'll get there, I believe
there's more about the idea ofbeing being conflicted, being
like.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I feel like morally it would be right to give the
homeless people the food, but Iact in a way that I don't give
them food because of otherconcerns which I don't know if
it's fair to overbalance myother concerns over the needs of
the people who are asking forfree food, but we also don't
(10:13):
know their situation.
I guess I just anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So I'm going to give such a weird tangent here.
Ok, this will not help yourethical quandary in any way.
Okay, this will not help yourethical quandary in any way.
And asking like, hey, what areRichard's thoughts on ethical
quandaries?
Is like talking to Lucy inDisenchantment, who's like a
literal demon that enablesnegativity.
Okay, so one of my brother'sacquaintances who probably
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doesn't listen to this podcast,but this would be a fun way of
accidentally outing them totheir family in a situation, so
I'll try and be as vague aspossible attempted to go to
university and their family saidthey cannot support them
through university.
They'll have to figure it outthemselves.
As you're well aware, foruniversity funding, if you have
rich parents, they expect yourparents to help you, and it's
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almost impossible to securefunding unless you're far enough
removed to be a separate maturestudent.
Right I?
I'm speaking with someconfidence in this one.
It might be different fromregion to region, school to
school, but in my personalexperience in like student
working, it's not good to have arich parent that doesn't help
you as far as funding isconcerned, right.
So they tell them they can'thelp.
(11:21):
They can, can't help, theycan't help, but their church
sponsored somebody to go throughuniversity.
So their parents were talkingat a family dinner about how
they sponsored this person to goto university, but not their
son, because they weresponsoring for the clout.
So, magically, they'reethically like let's sponsor
this person to be charitable.
(11:41):
So they're like, so, magically,they're ethically like let's
sponsor this person to becharitable but not actually
sponsoring their family, becauseno one cares if you send your
son to school, but people careif you send a stranger to school
and it makes you look good foryour religious organization or
non-religious Right right.
So to loop around a bit, say youhave an employee fighting food
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insecurity and you have somebodyoutside your business being
like hey, can you help me?
Or let's go back to thedelivery driver story last week.
So say this delivery driver isalso food insecure and you give
the people who are in a wildfirea bigger discount than your
food insecure employee.
Are you a bad person?
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Was it performative charity?
So kind of.
Where I'm looping back aroundto this is that a lot of good
things people do are partly goodthings and partly for clout.
They'll send somebody to schoolfor the clout, not for to help
out their actual close familymembers.
So when it comes to somethinglike a pizzeria, are they
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willing to give out free food?
What I despise is a Tim Hortons.
Yeah, I'm going to call you outdirectly.
You're not a sponsor.
Come at me, bro, don't sue me,but seriously, we'll look like.
I remember being there when theyrolled over the hey, you cannot
have end of day donuts, andthey came up with fictional
excuses like what if we get sickfrom them which is funny,
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because they're fresher than theones that we do eat, because we
rotate at X number of hours andwe bake them at six and it was
12, therefore, and then the jokebeing it's like Tim Hortons is
like here's our charity.
We donate to this.
We do that.
So they're willing to givestrangers food by being like
look how much money we donatedto the food bank but won't let
their staff eat the food.
It has to go in the garbage.
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But when we go to likeholistics about the, can we give
food to people For collegeclubs?
Like I said, this tangent'sgoing all over the place.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This tangent is going all over the place.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
For college clubs.
You cannot bring in homemadefood.
It has to be prepackaged with areceipt, because a everyone
who's seen a awkward teen comedymovie is like what if it's pop
air and he's well, but reallyit's a liability thing, right?
You want to make sure that ifyou sue somebody, you're suing
walmart, not a classmate whobrought in tainted stroganoff,
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right, right, right.
So, especially with, like,covet restrictions and things,
it's like, yeah, if you'regetting someone food, it's
pre-packaged, it's paid for froma third party and there is some
liability things.
I did a search earlier to seeif, like, there is actual
lawsuits of people be like oh, Igot fed day old pizza at the
end of the day and won thelawsuit.
That feels like corporate talk.
(14:21):
Trying to be like hey, becauseI remember tim hortons declaring
yeah, I'm gonna call out timhortons again.
Come at me, bro that if we letstaff members take home day old
donuts, bakers will bake moredonuts.
Bakers don't make that choice.
We're handed a spreadsheet thatsays how many donuts we make
and then when we run out our,our manager yells why ain't you
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make more?
Screams, and we make more.
So the concern is that if wegive our staff let them take end
of day food, they'll result instaff making more food so they
can take.
It doesn't actually work, butthey're more concerned about
hypothetical loss than peoplehaving good times.
Kind of like how Tim Horton'suniforms don't have pockets in
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the pants because they'reworried they'll steal.
So sewing the pockets shut isclearly the solution.
Not paying them a living wageso they wouldn't be like the
idea that someone would shove ahalf-eaten bagel in their pocket
and your thought isn't maybe weshould give them a free lunch
because they're so hungry.
They will have sweet and sugargoop deconstruct in their pocket
all day so they can chew on it.
It's like, yeah, we need tomake sure that they're not
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shoving donuts in their pockets.
My thought is why are theyshoving donuts in their pockets?
Just eat a donut.
They're less than 13 cents tomake.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
To be clear, a part of my part of the reason I'm so
conflicted is because if thereis messed up food, the staff do
just get to eat it, and anyone.
If there's messed up food atthe end of the night staff can
just take it home, and ifthey're off the clock they took
the food home.
I mean they can give it to ahomeless person if they want.
It's their food now thatthey've left the store.
But the store itself.
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We don't really want peoplecoming in and asking for free
food.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh, exactly, and like also humanity makes me lose
faith in them.
So, as much as I'd love to belike, yes, you should feed them.
Remember Bear Guy, who wouldask for day-old donuts to use in
like bear photography, this waslike back at Redacted Donuts.
We worked together when BearGuy was a thing so long ago,
right, right.
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And then we stopped gettingBear Guy free donuts because he
just left them there and theymade a mess, so we stopped
getting free stuff, yeah.
So it's like I do think you canhelp out more people sometimes
by being more strategic andethical.
Handing random people slices ofpizza.
I see the ethics right.
If you're giving it to yourstaff to give to their families,
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you're already winning in mybook.
But for people with dependencyand things, I would much rather
you like sell the pizza at adiscount at the end of the night
to customers and donate that tothe food bank would actually
help more people than justgiving them the pizza.
Ironically, so it's like it's aweird societal thing though,
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because I remember as a kidgoing to restaurants in the end
of night.
Be like, oh you just can I havesome stuff as a customer in the
back, yeah sure.
Or give me a huge discount mallsushi guy was really good for
that because I restaurants atthe end of the night and being
like, oh, can I have some stuffas a customer?
And they'd be like, yeah, sure,or give me a huge discount.
Mall Sushi Guy was really goodfor that because I'd go get
end-of-the-day sushi.
But I do think like free versusdiscount, I would be more
likely, personally, to givediscounts to people at the end
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of the day and, in an idealworld, use the funds to like
donate to charity on a largerscale.
It's kind of like your pizzaplace being profitable is what
lets you give a large discountto 60 pizzas and help out more
people, whereas like if peoplejust swarm your pizzeria at the
end of the night and no one goesin because they're worried
they'll be shivved right.
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So there's like that idealismversus reality thing.
I know the neighborhoods you'rein.
I know like I remember one timespecifically that I once helped
out a person that lurked in themini mall when I worked at
redacted restaurant insaskatchewan and they kept
trying to solicit I had brokenmy thumb.
I shoved into a drawer, thethumbnail turned black and
falled off.
I was in possibly the most painI've ever been in.
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Actually turns out, slammingyour thumb in a cast-iron drawer
is just really, really rough.
Right, she's in front of thecar knocking on the window and I
need to go to the hospital andshe wouldn't move out of the way
.
And the thing is, had I neverhelped this human being, I
wouldn't have spent 20 minutesin immense physical pain, dying
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because their priorities werehigher.
Their survival, naturally, wasa higher priority to them than
my survival was to them.
Right, because Maslow'shierarchy of needs is real when
people are hungry, cold andstarving, they're not really
concerned about social etiquette.
So, like I see scam ads forthis app, I really do like the
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idea of a discount app that'slike hey, it's end of day,
here's what we got left over,come in for 50 off or 60 off.
But I think by making it atransaction, even if it's a
small fee, it's like how's thisgonna sound so mean and get me
canceled on the internet?
But I do believe that if youspent all day panhandling, you
should have to pay $3 for yourpizza.
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Like the number of people whoare, like, outside the liquor
store asking for money to go andbuy liquor.
I can't afford liquor.
Like I haven't had a drinksince I went to that gallow of
free drinks because I don't havethe budget for it.
Times are tough.
Unemployment is unemployment islike brutal right now.
The job market is terrible andI'm like, yeah, giving people a
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discount is good, but when youmake it free and I've noticed
this for a lot of things,especially to go into, like this
tangent's almost done to gointo literary world and novels a
free ebook is consideredgarbage.
If I put my ebook out for free,people assume If I put my e-book
out for free, people assumeit's bad.
If I put it for 99 cents,people assume it's bad.
If I put it for $4.99, peopleassume it's good.
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Because why is it a dollar?
That's just me making moremoney.
The quality of the book doesn'tincrease with the pricing, but
people see a premium product andthey think it's better.
But it's also like ifsomething's free, people will
accept it and throw it on theground and trash it right, right
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.
As someone who's worked at somany open houses and booths, I
was running the D&D Club boothand people were like, oh, can I
have this?
And going for D&D club booth?
And people were like, oh, can Ihave this?
And going for D&D props?
You're a business major, you donot need a Mimic Chess figurine
.
You will never need it andyou're physically trying to take
it from me after I said nobecause it's on this table.
Or like I'll send out charactersheets and people are like,
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yeah, I'll take one, and there'sjust a pile of them around the
trash can.
So like the very act that youattribute some value to
something, even if you take aloss, means people then
attribute a value back, right,right, if you literally had a
sign that was up that was likeend of day mystery pizza,
whatever's left, dollar a slice,I think that would solve your
problem ethically, because it'slike, yes, they should have a
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dollar, and if they really don't, you can be like here, I'll
give you a dollar to buy adollar slice of pizza.
But now they have to at leastbe a customer and there's a
certain level of composurepeople have when they enter a
restaurant.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That is generally true, yes, but my ethical
question actually, like I say,it's not about homeless people,
but it is in a similar vein.
We have this elderly customer.
I've been told she's elderly.
I mean, I haven't actually hadany in-person interactions with
this person, just occasionallyon the phone.
They live reasonably far awayfrom our store so you know, like
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our drivers, they'll drivewherever they need to go,
because they go where the moneyis, but the further away it is,
obviously they're not happy ifthey don't get a tip or if
there's something wrong with theorder or whatever.
And this particular customerover the past couple months and
this particular customer overthe past couple months, she has
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either lost or forgotten herdebit card or forgotten her PIN
and been unable to pay for herfood.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's an interesting argument, but sure.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, to the point where everyone suspects that
maybe she has some form ofdementia or something like that
or she's just lying to kick it.
I mean, maybe when she can'tpay for her food, like we can't
just give it to the personbecause they can't pay for the
food, we don't really knowanything about their life
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situation.
They could just be trying toscam us and like it undermines
their business to just give awayfree food in that way, to like
an individual like that.
Like if you give away free foodas a giant donation, you're
you're actually making astatement about your, your
business.
But if you're just giving itaway to an individual because
they couldn't pay for their food, that's just teaching them to
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not pay for their food.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Well, it's like capitalism's weird because I
personally believe in thingslike universal basic income,
assisting people, the fact thatwe're in this weird dystopia
where people like ai's gonnatake all the jobs but no one's
willing to accept that then thegovernment needs to pay people
basic income by siphoning offthe top one percent, because if
there's no jobs, people willjust die and then they'll revolt
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and then they'll literally dragoligarchs to the ground and
execute them via gullotineFrench Revolution style.
So it's like I agree these arelarge societal problems, but I
hate band-aid solutions.
Like I was publicly superagainst La Prime Minister being
like hey, everybody, have a 1%sales tax reduction on valuable
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items for three months.
That's not a solution.
Solution hey, have a slice ofpizza isn't a solution, right,
right, what is a solution is hey, we're going to donate monthly
to the food bank.
Or like a smile cookie thing,like get a slice of smile pizza,
half all profits go to the foodbank, is an actual solution
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because they're better equippedto handle it.
Much.
Like hey, all all proceeds gotowards employment, canada,
we're better prepared to handleit.
So my ethics are weird.
Like I agree no, food should bea right.
Health care should be a right.
Housing should be a right.
Airbnb should have been illegalyesterday because they never
passed an inspection.
But when it comes to like theidea of like am I a bad person
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for not giving people money?
I've been a broke student forfour years.
You know what I literally saidto someone handling me on the
bus at eight in the morning youhave more money than me because
I'm at negative forty thousanddollars.
You're harassing people whocan't afford transport because
they're more likely to beempathetic than people at car
lots.
No one on redacted transit at 6am is financially well off,
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because you just wouldn't be.
You're either a student or anemployee at a soul crushing job,
because if you were well off,you would have a car.
Because you're getting up atsix in the morning to ride a bus
for an hour to be panhandled atby this guy.
So I said that to their faceverbatim.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
The ethical question isn't actually about whether or
not we give the lady the food.
The ethical question and maybeit's not even the right word but
firstly, do you know if thereis any particular service that
you would call to do a welfarecheck on the elderly?
And since I don't know anythingabout this person's situation,
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aside from what I've justdescribed she appears to have
memory problems and isfrequently unable to pay for her
food do you think that wouldwarrant enough concern from me,
as, I'm going to say, aproprietor of a business, to
call a welfare check on this?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
customer.
That's a good question.
So the beauty of being astudent employee is I have the
out of my pay grade defense andI've used it three or four times
where it's like I say thatsassily, but it really is.
This question is out of thescope of what I can handle as a
student employee.
I will put you in touch withcounseling.
So in a school, my solution isreally easy, right, like if I
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worked at the school cafeteriaand this happened repeatedly, I
would send them to studentservices and I would walk them
to the health and wellnesscenter, like I've literally
walked students.
Like I have this, this, thishappening in my life.
I'm like that sounds like asuicide risk.
(26:39):
Come with me, hey.
Um, front desk, I know you havea line, but can you like get
someone here now please?
That'd be great because I don'twant to cause death.
So I will let trainedprofessionals do this right so
logistically, what you'retalking about is similar to how
I would handle it of callsomebody when I hit a certain
point, but you don't have thatconvenient connection.
So this will be some researchon your part, because I would
(27:01):
absolutely, in a school settingwhere they're everyone's insured
for one thing and covered right, so I wouldn't put them into
crippling bankruptcy by doingthis to them I would absolutely
call somebody to get them help.
So that's my ethics.
Yeah, I would absolutely lookup who I call, call the person
first independently, like oh, Ijust have some information.
(27:23):
What should I do in thissituation?
Right, like, literally justcall, like a university's elder
research center, for example.
Be like alright, u of S ElderCare Center center.
Hi, I have this person that'scoming in like this who should I
contact?
I love me universities and Ilove me libraries.
You know how happy some randomgrad student will be to get a
phone call where someone in reallife is asking them for their
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expertise on the topic.
Because, yeah, it's fair to notknow.
But I think that would be myplay is, I would google elder
care specialist saskatchewan,call them and be like hi, I have
this problem.
What do you suggest I do?
Because I am like.
I avoid trying to call the copson people if I can help it
(28:07):
right.
Right.
One time, and after an internetargument, someone called the
cops, thinking I was a suiciderisk, and they showed up my door
to make sure I was still aliveand that was a very positive
interaction that went great forme because I know that if I was
a suicide risk, someone in theinternet made sure I didn't die.
I wasn't.
I'm just a drama queen.
(28:27):
It was on a D&D forum and I wasusing metaphor.
What drama queen on?
It was on a dnd form and I wasusing metaphor.
What the point is?
That calling proper authoritieswould be my play, which is
ironic with all the things I'vesaid to anti-authority and
government and things over theyears.
But yeah, no, there is actuallytrained, passionate
professionals whose job it is todeal with this and the best way
to find them is to ask theprofessional whose job it is to
find them.
Fair enough, I hope I answeredyour ethical quandary.
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And yeah, give your staff freemeals, just everyone in this
universe.
If you run a profitable foodservice job and you're not
giving your staff free meals,that's bad, right, that's just
bad.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I definitely agree that if your business is
profitable and I mean obviouslyyou need proper management,
that's making sure that thesystem isn't being abused, but
within reason you can give yourstaff a free meal, and it's just
the same as if a burger gotwasted.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And it's also worth putting this out there too, just
for some basic math for people.
So we don't pay people fortheir lunch break.
It's their own time.
They can do whatever want.
That north america's justdecided this because we're bad
people, including universities,right right.
But we also kind of acknowledgethat most people on break no
boss has ever been sopure-hearted that if they get
slammed by some accepted rush,they don't ask the person to
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help.
Nor is it really practical forthem to go home or live their
life in any meaningful comfort.
So we're giving them a breakalmost entirely because doctors
around the world have agreedthat you need to let people stop
moving once in a while so thenthey can do more hard work for
you.
The staff meal is almost alwaysgoing to be cheaper than if you
just paid them for that breakhour, yeah.
(30:09):
So like, if you're not going topay them to rest and you're
going to do that thing whereit's like your shift starts at
this so you have to bepre-changed, we're not going to
pay you for that.
Just at least give them asandwich, guys.
Like, come on, give them thething that costs you like maybe
three dollars to make it, sothat way they don't spend their
day hungry.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's not unreasonable so, tldr, uh, you think that
the situation I described wouldat least warrant doing some
research and calling to see ifsomeone else thinks it's someone
more qualified, thinks it's arisk absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
If I was in this situation, I would call
counseling and be like hi, thesame person has come up five or
six times and seems to beforgetting their PIN number in
their card.
Who should I talk to about this?
Because, like I'm such a tornperson, because, like I study
like ethics, humanity andgoodness, and I'm, like,
immersed in positivity, I alsoworked in a movie theater
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theater, so it's like I'm alsonot above calling security and
having someone dragged outbecause they screamed at me to
not that I didn't accept theirgross popcorn bag, because they
were told free refuse refills adecade ago and they keep using
the same bag so it's like.
I want the world to be a betterplace, but I also want, like
professionals, to do it.
One of the biggest things Ilearned in my degree is there's
people who are trained in things.
Let them figure these problemsout.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I do have a small side tangent.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Someone comes in today and they have a stack I'm
going to say it was at least 20little coupon cards that say one
free small pizza expireswhatever date 2019.
And so he comes in and he'slike hey, can I use this stack
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of free small pizzas?
And we're like no.
No, they're expired.
And he's like mmm, it's illegalfor there to be an expire date
on these, so you should let meuse them.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And then he responded with cool I'll call the cops
and we can have them figure itout.
That works every time.
By the way, I was so jaded bythe end of my kitchen tour.
That wasn't a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, ok.
So apparently it is illegal forgift cards because they're
purchased and have a monetaryvalue to have expiry dates,
which makes sense because yougave someone money, your money
should never expire.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But these free small pizza coupons we give them out
for free, so they're not part ofthis law that prevents you from
having a fight against them.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's like when I hyperinflated Richard points and
they lost all value.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just thought that was funny because it's like if
they expired in 2019, that meansthat they got them in 2018,
which means that they've hadthese things for like eight
years.
And they just like found themin a drawer somewhere and came
in and tried to claim them andtried to strong arm us into
giving away this free pizza andthen, after leaving, like well,
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I was just going to give them tocharity.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's like no, you weren't.
If you'd opened with that, thiswould have been a very
different conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It would have If they had opened with that.
I might have been like well,you know, we could, if you give
us those coupons, we could givesome to charity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
But like you know, I think I spent too, long in an
academic safe space where I canspeak my mind, because I'm like,
oh yeah, how I would havehandled that.
Ooh, handle that.
Let's role play the interaction.
You be the customer.
I'd be emotionally dead inside,but in a good mood, richard,
welcome to redacted pizza.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
uh oh, I have uh these uh free small pizza
coupons.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm hoping I could could uh redeem them oh, let me
take a look at these things, whyI was actually wondering the
same thing.
I would like to knowlegitimately, why you have a
stack of these because thesewere one per person when we gave
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them out.
Did you mug people for them?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I did kind of.
I kind of suspected that maybehe just like found a stack of
them in the garbage right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like were you dumpster diving behind?
I would have said that.
Like, were you dumpster divingbehind?
I would have said that I waslike were you dumpster diving
behind t-days pizza, looking forcoupons like dude?
There's better ways to makemoney.
Go to service saskatchewan andgo into their job placement
program and you can pick up cansand they'll pay you for that
and then you can buy your pizzawith money, the thing we use
anyways, I don't know if we'regonna get into our topic proper,
(34:50):
because we still have to findout what's new with Richard.
Oh yeah.
So I could either give a supercondensed one or like a full
lengthy, super detailedmonologue, so it's probably
gonna be like a three minute.
What's new with Richard?
Okay, okay, okay.
So I graduated yesterday andfinally went to my ceremony,
okay.
So here's some things aboutgraduation that I expected and
(35:12):
didn't expect, so I'm just goingto mostly give graduation fun
facts and a quick montage ofwhat happens.
All right.
So first off, I finishedclasses like a month ago and I'm
like graduation, I don't care.
And then my beloved friends andfamily are like you don't have
a choice.
I'm like, ah, but it soundslike work.
I already have a book deal.
Why would I go to grad frombook school?
(35:33):
Right, so I give them the.
My grad was two events therewas an anthology watch, because
our writing students and ourpublishing students, as a
capstone, publish an anthology.
That just makes sense, right?
The publishers do the bookdesign, editing.
The writers write the shortstories.
It's a very nice anthology.
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They did good.
They gave us swag bags, copiesof anthology, bookmarks, pins,
like.
It was overall not as good aslast year's because they had a
full documentary they made andscored, but it was pretty good.
My year did pretty good, oh manany of my classmates that listen
to my podcast like we.
We did.
Wow, rude way to say our yearwas less good than the previous
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year.
I mean it was but rude of me tosay right, I should say my year
is the best year I'm in it, butlast year was really good.
I volunteered at the event lastyear for context, so did it
really good?
I would say second or third bestone, not bad okay, okay so we
go to this thing and Iaccidentally gave the wrong time
to all my loved ones.
So, like the day before.
(36:36):
I'm like.
So when I said start at three,I meant to say it ended at three
, it starts at one.
So my various loved ones arelike well, I can't get there to
like 130.
I'm like that's fine, it's justpeople talking.
So my campus didn't hold it inlike a hall.
They kind of had like the lobby, has like an event space in it,
but it's also like the lobby.
So they like put up like somepartitions, but any human being
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can just walk through there ifthey want right.
Which means I don't care if myfriends and family come late,
I'll sit in the back row.
Any human being can just walkthrough there if they want right
.
So I'm listening.
They all show up.
They sit down.
We do this grad yearbook thingwhere we all sign each other's
anthologies, because duh.
But also one of my classmatesmade up cwp shirts for my
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program and everyone was goingaround signing the back of these
shirts, which is kind of cool,okay.
And then teachers give theirspeeches.
One of my professors gave ametaphor for my program being
canceled where, like he talkedabout how tragic it was about
this art summer camp.
He really loved being canceledand like it was like it was
beautiful because it was justhow close can he get without
(37:41):
losing his job, calling them outon this decision but your
program.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This is the last year for your program uh, it's
suspended right now.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
They might resume it so, like everyone who's
currently enrolled gets tograduate years one, two, three
and then the programtheoretically is being shut down
.
Oh, because 60 of universitycollege funding got lost from
international student.
That's a whole thing, yeah,yeah, that is a whole episode
for me to explain what happenedto my school.
(38:09):
I have.
I have some context there yeah,but like to catch everyone up to
speed just google ontariocolleges and then complain to
your mp that we're losing ourcolleges.
While all jobs are shifting toskill-based, let's not train any
writers.
In an era where contentcreation makes up like 30 of the
gdp, sure, anyways.
(38:33):
So we gave this a big metaphoryeah, so we go through this
launch party which had cheesecubes and things, and then
there's actual grad right theworst part.
So we do a break between thetwo.
I cry tears because my familymade like my friends made a
lovely card that have, so theywent out their way to have
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everyone sign it with.
How would I have them in myphone?
Because I have people in thephone by like a mix of like dnd
characters and code names andother things right, right so
it's like a super personalizedcard.
I say thank you to one of myfriends who's like there's no
evidence.
I said something nice.
It was a forgery, like yeah,but you baked me cupcakes and
the cupcakes don't lie.
Okay, I do enjoy it.
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It's like anything nice in thatcard is slander.
I didn't consent.
Their message in the card wasjust grats, but there was
homemade cupcakes involved, soI've not fallen for that.
So we basically spend the timebetween these two events in
traffic.
Because we went back to dropoff the cupcakes, to refrigerate
them, because they're goodquality cupcakes, get the gift
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thing and then go to this gradhall.
So you would think they'd lineus up alphabetically, right, you
would think that.
So we go in and scan a QR codeon our phone.
Get our gowns.
We have this like we have towear a hood thing because we're
so we have our gown and we havethis hood thing because it's a
bachelor's degree, because, muchlike Cutlerly, academia has
(40:00):
their secret language designedto make fun of poor people based
on their like, your stripes andribbons and other things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, due to sexism, these collar, these like hood things were
designed under the assumptionyou have a dress shirt
underneath.
Ok, but no one ever tells youthat.
So 90 percent of people arelike trying to wrap this tie for
(40:23):
this hood to the zipper oftheir robe because they have
zippers.
And then I'm like to everyone,like, oh, these are literally
designed that you just attachthem to the second button on
your dress shirt underneathbecause sexism.
Why would they update these forthe idea, although, be fair,
anyone can wear a dress shirt.
Technically, if everyone wasrequired to wear a dress shirt
and dress pants, it wouldn't besexism anyway.
Anywho, long story short, thesewere designed under the
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assumption you'd be wearing this.
So I, after teaching a fewpeople how to assemble this
thing and going for photos, itbecame apparent the mistake I
had made.
So I stood at the front of theline so everyone knew where to
stand right.
Instead of being alphabetized,they scan the QR code to let
them know what name to read andyou just go in the order you
happen to have been standing in.
(41:05):
Oh, so I went first.
Okay, question what don't Ihave?
Oh, so I went first.
Okay, question, what don't Ihave?
I mean lots of things.
What is one?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
of my like top three things I'm bad at.
I mean I'm drawing a blank atthe top of my head.
I mean there's physicallywriting.
That's one, that's one.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll just spoiler it, you would have got it pretty
quick.
I have no sense of direction.
Okay, that's true, that wouldbe in the top three.
It's like can't write.
Get queasy when I listen tomedical things have no sense of
direction whatsoever, right, soI'm going first.
I'm like, oh no, no, I don'thave someone to follow off the
stage.
I need to know what I'm doing.
So I go out and I shake thepresident of the college's hand.
(41:58):
So, with the back sense that myprogram has been canceled and
my sheridan's been a crap, I didokay, fine.
My college, which I just namedropped sue me, anyone who
Googles me can figure this out,because it's all of my posts
right now has been a largelypositive experience.
But whenever something negativehappens, I speak out about it
(42:19):
because of who I am as a person,right.
So I am with the president ofthe school in front of me, who
I've sent sassy emails toprobably on three occasions over
the course of my time there,one of which resulted directly
in me meeting with like a reallyhigh-ranked person and getting
one of my best jobs I had there.
So you know, emails work, right.
I shake their hand and I'm just.
My brain is entirely okay.
(42:39):
Which directions do I go?
They say congratulations, youworked hard to get here.
I said in my fugue state, Iknow, paused for a full beat and
I went, thank you.
So they said you worked hard.
And I'm like, I know.
And I'm like, oh no, I hansoloed them.
(43:05):
That was not my intent.
Then I like speed walk off thestage because I like I need to
flee now managed to navigatesuccessfully back to the stage
and sit down.
And then, as I'm like 90% ofthe way back, I see my loved
ones with a camera and it's likepause for a second to photo.
They mouth at me.
So I like smile and thenproceed to continue running back
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to Speed, walking back to myseat and, as a result, there's
like the only photo in existencewhere I smiled, showing my
teeth, because I don't like myteeth For viewers who are
picturing me picture that I havea singular vampire fang that's
like a row above the rest of myteeth.
That's just the thing.
Carl can vouch on.
That one, yeah.
(43:48):
So it's like there's this likeone photo that's ever existed me
showing a toothy smile becausemy entire mental bandwidth was
drained from this experience,because I only pretend to be an
extrovert, so I basically had toplay a character for like 12
hours straight as my like lovedones had to sit there and I'm
like, why does anyone go tothese things?
If it wasn't for my loved ones,this would have been a terrible
(44:11):
experience, because it wasmostly standing.
However, because I was fullysupported and people did nice
kind emotional things todevastate me and make me cry not
manly tears it was absolutely aworthwhile once-in-a-lifetime
experience and when I graduateagain next year, I ain't doing
it because it's like I couldhave went when I did my one year
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program to get into my fouryear.
I'm like now I'll do it at theend of the four year, and then I
got kind of committed to it.
Yeah, I spent today mostlyrecovering from my celebration,
so that's what's new with me asI learned that we use qr codes
now to figure out who walksacross stages.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, that is a little bit bizarre.
I would have thought that wouldjust be like a check-in thing,
and then they, you know, callthe people alphabetically, or
something.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah.
So I'm like, oh, I guess I'mgoing first.
And one of my friends is like,do you want to switch?
I'm like, oh, I volunteered togo first for literally
everything for four years.
It seems weirdly appropriate.
I'll just commit to it at thisstage.
So, yeah, that's what's newwith me as I give mixed advice
about.
It's like don't feed peoplefrom your private food stores.
(45:24):
Make sure everyone has accessto food stores.
Yeah, alright.
So to move into our featuretopic, which I don't actually
remember exactly, I'm gonnastart by complaining about world
trigger, but not really okay.
Okay, so when we did our lastshow and jump round out, I'm
(45:44):
like, okay, if world triggerlasts for as long as one piece,
it can get away with this plotarc.
So the second, most recentchapter is like all right, final
day note, you guys will onlyget the food you can manage to
pack for your adventure.
And then a character sends outlike a really sad voicemail,
like we don't have food.
Can you all donate food to usplease?
I'll, I owe you and I love youguys.
(46:05):
I'm like that was actually areally entertaining chapter
because, michael, you took abreak from the bureaucracy to
just that's a good bit.
The person's like sending likethe most formal note.
They can be like greeting andsalutations.
My friends, we don't have anyfood because we suck.
I will treat you all to mealsafter this.
I swear lucky winners in thedraw will receive.
(46:28):
So I'm like that was actually alegitimately good chapter,
because you stopped from themeta commentary for 30 seconds
and the next chapter is likealright, now we're going to give
everyone their captain reviewand I'm like, oh my lord, please
get to the plot.
After this, there will be adeath battle.
You're going to fight the Aranks in an awesome death battle
where everyone who's in thesetests are going to have this
awesome death battle.
So go through your squad andgive everyone a point score.
(46:49):
I'm like, just please end thisarc and, like I haven't been
counting the chapter count, likeI don't know if the bottle test
was longer than the invasion.
I legitimately don't because ofthe release schedule.
Right, right, and it coulddefinitely come back from this
if people start throwing bricksat each other again.
(47:10):
Like, if, like, if this is justan awesome epic battle, that's
as long, if phase two is as longas phase one and it's just an
epic battle, I'm good, right,but they're literally creating
homework.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Okay, so my topic idea was the way I worded.
It is conceptually interestingideas that give anime a bad name
in execution.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
So my first pitch to this topic is World Trigger,
spirocracy.
World Trigger being like, yeah,we're going to do a really
bureaucratic system Sounds greatin practice, and one of the
things that failed in executionis they gave every character so
many names and had them all lookthe same and it's just like no
one remembers anyone in WorldTrigger.
(47:55):
So it's like that idea of likethem taking their border defense
agency seriously Good idea.
World Trigger is entirely goodidea.
Bad execution right now Becausethey're like our action series
is people sitting in a room notbeing animated.
It's almost the oppositeproblem to the things you're
(48:17):
going to go back to.
Well, I mean, if you even knewwhat I was going to talk about,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I assume you're just going to complain about the
ending of kaido kaido wasactually, uh, one of three
specific things that I wanted tomention, because Kaido the
right answer.
I started watching it and,before I managed to get to the
end of it, I recommended it toyou because it was awesome.
It was about a negotiator whohas to negotiate with a higher
(48:47):
level being, and it's like howdo you negotiate with someone
who's smarter than you?
It's pretty great.
Um, it was like super awesomeand and so much fun to watch.
and then they, they bungled theending because they weren't
smarter enough to be smartenough yeah, um, and it was just
(49:08):
such a letdown.
That's kind of a fringe case ofwhat I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I'm talking more about oh, are we going to go
Kenichi?
And the sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Kenichi wasn't specifically on my list.
I was going to segue intomartial arts as a superpower in
general and I was actually goingto go with a non-anime example
of Marvel's Iron Fist.
Okay, okay, Because Iron Fistjust sounds so cool.
You punch the heart out of adragon and get the power of the
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Iron Fist and then protect KunLun.
It sounds like such a cool idea.
But then Danny Rand was justsuch a little bitch for the lack
of a better term.
Nice, Did you recently go?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
through the Iron Fist series or what.
Or you're just like one nightin three in the morning you're
like why is Iron Fist lame?
I almost want to blamewhitewashing, but that's just a
different problem, endemic ofthe era.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Danny.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Rand's story should not have been told for a white
guy's point of view.
Like that's just so many.
The white savior tropes are sotoxic, like it's the classic
Dune problem.
Oh yeah, the white savior cameto help the desert people.
It's like stop, just stopLorenzingrebiating this In
(50:37):
having a cool idea that had poorexecution.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
It kind of taints all of like.
Any animated series that haveIron Fist in them have now kind
of been tainted by the terribleexecution of Marvel's iron fist
on netflix.
Um I'll allow it so yeah, andthis happens a lot with martial
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arts as a superpower in general.
Uh, we're like history'sstrongest disciple, kanichi.
They're using their fists,their legs, they're punching and
whatever.
Why do the clothes explode?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
so that was such a roundabout to get to the trope.
Why do clothes explode in anime?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
we all, we know the actual answer.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Right, and it's because sex sells and by putting
exploding clothes on the cover,teenager boys will buy it.
That's why there's no deepermeaning to this, but like it
gives the anime a bad name.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's like exactly the thing.
There's like I don't watchanime because it's too hyper
sexualized, and then you'rewatching a genuinely interesting
, well choreographed, wellthought show and they're just
like yeah, and we just need tothrow in some fan service
because otherwise it won't sellon the quality of our writing
fire force and soul eater werereally bad offenders for that.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Where you're like this doesn't fit the vibe at all
of what's going on here.
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
yeah, I mean, at least fairy tale was gender
neutral, with the clothesexploding so fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
So the reason I give fairy tale and chainsaw man a
pass in this category, soFairytale is everyone is in a
completely impossible body shapeand their clothes explode.
However, the characters inFairytale are aware of this and
they're literally stripping tosell magazines and calendars to
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fund their guild hall.
Right, and stay with me here.
This is the most important plotpoint to fairy tale.
Everyone fairy tales over theage of consent.
Everyone in fairy tale is anadult, because that's anime's
worst trope by far is they dothis to minors, which is just a
crime well, see um.
(52:52):
I would say anime was so muchbetter if you age every
character by five years.
It just makes every charactermake more sense structurally and
narratively every time.
There isn't a single examplewhere the story is not better if
you age everyone by five yearsbut that that sang a ways
perfectly actually into uh, theactual uh series.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
That got me thinking about this.
Um, a little while ago we didan episode about uh school
teachers in anime and how fewgenuine school teachers there
are, even though there's so manyhigh school settings oh yeah um
and uh I I don't know why, butI really got into the regular at
(53:33):
the Magic Academy you're notthe only one.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
It was a better to Aruno Index and I watched all
three seasons.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I skipped the mini movie where his sister seemingly
gets shot and they have to beresurrected using the
resurrection gun.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
God I hate the resurrection.
You know, the thing is, Iwouldn't.
I wouldn't hate theresurrection gun if it was a
healing bullet gun.
So if you shot someone with ahealing bullet I'd be on board,
but the gun part doesn't even gopew.
It's just, uh, it's too op man.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
but so so season one has a lot of like incest jokes,
the sister brother complex,whatever but it kind of shifts
away to that as it focuses moreon the main character's struggle
between his responsibility withhis great powers and and lack
of what he actually wants toaccomplish.
Yeah, right, right, but there'sa sp-off show and it's called
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the Honor at the Magic Academy.
I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Don't.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Don't, don't.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
You sounded like me for a second.
That's a problem.
This broke you.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It is season one of the Irregular of the Magic
Academy, except it's told from,like, the sister's point of view
and her friends yeah and yeah,all of the incest quote-unquote
jokes.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I mean I guess there's no actual incest because
, you know, all of the anime ishyper-sexualized but weirdly
chased as you like to say I havea fun monologue about that, but
I'll let you finish whereyou're going with this first.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
But yeah, she overtly has sexual feelings for him, uh
and uh, oftentimes he doesn'tsee the fashion show that she
puts on.
But she'll like strip down toher underwear to put on a
fashion show to decide whatshe's gonna wear for her brother
um, that's unfortunate yeah,yeah, like I mean I watched it
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all because of the sunken costfallacy.
Oh man, the things I've watchedbecause of sunken cost fallacy.
It genuinely made meuncomfortable.
And then, as she gets her highschool friends on board, it's
just a bunch of high schoolgirls fangirling over the
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garyest gary stew that's everstewed so to pivot a bit and
we'll probably do a full episodeon this later, because
crunchyroll had their anime ofthe year awards.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, so solo leveling one anime of the year.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
That's reasonable, right yeah, I would say that
that it was definitely a reallysolid season two.
I I don't foresee good thingsfor season three, but I'll watch
it anyways For the recordthough.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Did it deserve to beat Delicious in Dungeon and
Free Rin?
Probably not, but I can see why, right.
Here's where I have a problem.
Jin Woo won Character of theYear.
Delicious in the Dungeon andFree Rin came out this year.
Will I accept that solo levelingis a better series than free
run?
I can see why people wouldthink that right, jinwoo is also
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a bland character.
That sister's trying to sleepwith him, who has no
characteristics whatsoever.
He is the ultimate self-insert.
Bella from twilight has morepersonality than Jinwoo.
He's just the leastinsufferable Ikasai busted
character, because most of themjust turn into creepy perverts
instantly and he didn't, right,right, so he's bland, but he's
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bland and inoffensive, right,right.
But to say that Fririn is aless interesting character is
just insane to me.
Right Is a less interestingcharacter Is just insane to me.
Right, it's like the characterwhose entire, the entire anime
of Ririn Is them processingemotional attachment, and I'm
like To not give it to acharacter.
To give character to JinwooJust shows these rewards are
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rigged.
But like to go into the tropesa bit.
Soul leveling has all of thosetropes, just all of them.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
It.
Just it makes me sad.
It's like I really like theregular Magic Academy.
I think that the mixture ofmagic and technology is a really
cool conceptual idea, and theyhave all sorts of interesting
sports and events designedaround this concept.
His sister just cheats andinvents flying magic, but
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everyone's okay with it becauseeveryone can use it.
Anyways, it's a really grippingconceptual idea.
And then it's just loaded withso much smut and fan service and
and like I say like, uh, themain character, he, he can't do
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anything wrong, everything.
Like he, he's the best engineer, so he like tunes up their,
their casting assist devices, uh, so that everybody that he
works with ends up winning theirthing.
And so then they're like ohyeah, we need to like do
something special for him.
And it's like uh, the specialthing you could do for him is
let him sleep for eight hoursfor the first time in his life
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there is, there is oneconsistent male character in the
honor at the high, at the magicacademy, yeah, and yet I don't
think it passes the bechdel testthat is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
So to kind of pivot off that a bit, so I'm a big fan
of the series kage asamo, loveis war, right.
So that series was an animeromance that skirted along
tropes but, like, mostly usedthem for their advantage.
So here's one thing it did thatis insane, absolutely insane.
Spoiler warning I'm literallygoing to spoiler tag this.
(59:35):
So this has never happened in asingle rom-com I've ever read
in a manga, right, not a singletime.
The male character and thefemale character, who are having
their game of wits to see whocan confess first, right,
actually have sex, and it showsa panel of them going to the bed
together and waking up next toeach other.
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The internet lost their mindsbecause the idea that one of
these shounen-style rom-comscould have two characters in
high school get physicallyintimate with each other is so
beyond the concept ofimagination that, like luffy
getting gear five, ichigo beinga quincy, saitama punching a man
(01:00:19):
to jupiter, the attack on taitobeing a time travel looping
story, none of those had thesame shock value of this very
obvious outcome to this story inany other form of media, like
the only logical outcome in anyother form of media of two
people of consistent chemistry,trying to get the other to fall
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for them for a year straight.
Is them actually hooking upbefore graduation?
It's just an insane concept,like could you imagine a Naruto
if Naruto and Hinata actuallyhad like two panels next to each
other and then they woke up?
It blew people's mind in fairytale when people looked at like
the night before the finalbattle and Levi's background and
(01:01:00):
Gajiel's background had thesame wallpaper.
People were like it's the samewallpaper?
Maybe these two characters thathave been dating for a year
hooked up in this show, whichthey did, by the way, spoiler
alert, he actually managed tolike gajal has a kid on the way
in fairy tale.
But like it's just such a wildinversion of the trope is having
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a character into aru, whoseability is my left hand blew up
a character's clothes in chapterone is completely socially
acceptable in this genre.
Like them, planning elaborateexcuses to strip in front of
their brother is completelysocially the norm in this genre.
But if his brother, if herbrother, were to like that one
professor, that clearly has athing for him, that's like the
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same age.
If they were to go on an actualdate and have a one-night stand
, people would not be able tocomprehend what just happened.
If this completely eligible,legal, like this eligible man
actually went on a real date, noone would actually be able.
Their brain couldn't comprehendit.
Like if jen woo actually likekissed one of his love interests
(01:02:05):
, they went back to hisapartment.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
The internet collectively would not be able
to handle that, which is so wildto me well, yeah, and then,
like I say, like a lot of thesereally interesting ideas, uh,
just have.
Well, I mean the.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
The biggest offender is the fan service with like the
clothes exploding, like let'sgo dan to dan, that's another
huge offender.
But dan to dan's trying to likeI don't know man, dan to Dan's
trying to like I don't know man,dan to Dan's almost at Chainsaw
Man's level of they're tryingto do something with it.
Like what was it Like?
Right near the start of Dan toDan they end up like losing
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their outfits to the Loch NessMonster and one of the plot
points is he had his familyjewel stolen by a witch.
But like I don't know ifthey're doing something with it,
like they're not chainsaw manof.
Oh, this is actually like keycharacter development and plot
in about someone's coming of agestory.
I'm not sure I'm on the fence,but it's not like that one
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bodyguard show, blue, whatever,where.
I'm like yeah, I have to dropthis now.
It hit the line, it crossed itand I'm done, done here.
I don't want the fbi at myhouse.
Anime is dead.
Anime was a mistake.
Like another example, weirdly,of the inverse is like a neon
genesis evangelion.
Any fan service moments werelike framed and scored to be
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super uncomfortable,deliberately because the show
was let's see how much we cantorture shinji.
So it's like oh yeah, in thatseries a character being half
naked, sleeping next to him, istorture for him, like actual
torture, and then he ends upchoking her to death later.
Because that show is becauseit's like this person's actively
harassing you, belittling youand bullying you and you have no
(01:03:47):
self-esteem so they're justgonna like make your life
miserable because you're lookingat them is like part of like
the depression metaphor theywere going for in that show
where it's like, oh, sex iseverywhere, but no one cares
about you and you're gonna diealone.
Sheesh, oh yeah, neon jess.
(01:04:09):
If evagelion, there's a reasonit's iconic and I don't think
it's because it makes you feelgood things.
But they did stick the landingafter doing several reboot
movies, which is commendable.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, so I mean for this category of good ideas that
were poorly executed.
I put in Kaido the right answer, because it was a great idea
that just they didn't.
They completely failed to stickthe landing.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Oh yeah, and Kenichi comes up where it's like the
concept of Kenichi If you tookthe perversion out of it Would
just be good, and if you tookthe sexism out of it Because I
remember I was working on ashort story Inspired by it a
while back when I'm like themost baffling decision in
Kenichi Is a badass fighter MewTraining, is a badass fighter
Mew training.
To get Kenichi at the level forthem to team up and fight
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somebody is just like a muchbetter concept than what it
ended up being.
Where they're like no, no, shewants to be a housewife.
I'm like fuck off with that,fuck right off with that.
Yeah, I'm going to use twoF-bombs here.
Where it's like okay, thismakes no narrative sense for
some of these choices you'vemade and why this makes no
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narrative sense for some ofthese choices you've made and a
lot of these people shouldprompt and did you really have
to have a pervert as long asyou're five people who should be
in jail, like just straight up,directly to jail, do not pass,
go.
So it's like I can't showkanichi to people, but it's such
a clean, good premise well, soI was going with the kind of the
right answer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
How many series have you seen where the ending was so
bad that it gave the rest ofthe anime a bad name, or gave
anime in general a bad name forbeing like animes have bad
writing, type thing?
Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Hmm.
So for a while like so I'm notgonna say naruto, even though it
like stumbled a bit, didn'tquite get there.
It's like tokyo ghouls animeruined itself terribly but its
manga didn't.
(01:06:13):
Hmm, death Note Second seasonsucked, like if you just watched
till L died, it was great,right.
I'm just trying to think ofthings that, let's see, I hated
the skip on Attack on Titan, buta lot of people loved it, so I
could just be wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Could be, could be.
I mean, like I say Kaido, theright answer is like the number
one pick, where it's like theending was so bad that I can see
why someone would say thatanime has bad writing and it
just gives anime in general abad name for how badly it ended
because, like some of the time,a lot of the time, it's like
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they didn't follow the manga,which feels like cheating right,
right, because the originalending to full metal alchemist
uh was world war ii, germany,which just made no sense.
Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
And then nart uh in iwasha.
Anime is like oh, we're justdone.
And then they came back and didtheir final season later.
Gt's terrible, but no oneblames Dragon Ball for that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
No, people don't blame Dragon Ball for GT being
bad.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I'm trying to really think, because my might have
just like repressed some ofthese like let's take Sidcraft,
for example.
Where they're like blitzingthrough the ending, like okay,
sidcraft just got the wrap up.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Where I'm like, okay, you're fine, but oh, I'm like
it was that chapter where theydecided not to have a mystery.
I think that was the turningchapter where they decided not
to have a mystery.
I think that was the turningpoint where the editors were
like yeah, no, this is done.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Right.
So Fairy Tail was verymid-ended so he just punched
like he has a great ending withZareph and then a terrible
ending with Agnologia thatdidn't really go anywhere or do
anything.
However, fairy Tail didn'tBoruto In 100 Year Quest, where
it's just still going and it'sjust more Fairy Tail.
So it's like you botched theending.
(01:08:21):
So you went to an island withfive bigger, meaner dragons to
actually build this up and endit better and try again.
I'm like, oh, you're just goingto actually try again, because
Claymore that took a while toremember.
Claymore when they're like,actually it's an island that's a
breeding ground and there's aworld.
(01:08:42):
We don't want to Claymore.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, that definitely falls into this category, where
it's a super interestingconceptual idea, but then they
just that was a verydisappointing way for the story
to go, because it just wasn'treally foreshadowed in any way
and it's so bland and genericand just seems like bad writing.
Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Siren's weird because Siren's original premise was
bad and he pivoted to a muchbetter premise.
It was weird because you put inthis code and there's points
and it's a game, because we'retrying to do a dance and
actually this is just betterwith you're jumping between two
timelines of psychic people andthe idea is that you're trying
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to change the future by jumpingbetween these two fixed points.
So the kids you save end uplike it's like that guy siren's
weird.
Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
If you start it later into the series it's better
because, yeah, the weird partabout the telephone with the
card phone card that at thestart like they just kind of
completely abandoned thatbecause it was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
So like it's weird Cause like we're going to set up
like a game and then they justdidn't.
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I mean, if you were to only see like that first
portion of it, I coulddefinitely see how that would be
an enemy with an interestingconcept that gives anime a bad
name because it's so generic andboring.
Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Future Diary.
On the other hand, like I don'tknow, I think it nailed it
somehow.
Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Future Diary was definitely a worthwhile series,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
The thing is, I know I've read more crap, but I think
I just didn't retain it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
That makes sense.
It's not going to be importantto you because it was crap.
But yeah, tldr, I can see whythe honor at the Magic Academy
got greenlit and I imagine it'sbeen greenlit for a second
season.
They had a little like this iswhat will happen on the second
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season, but oh man, don'tsupport it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
So just try to think on tropes.
To go back to the originaltopic, so I deeply hate the
accidental pervert trope.
It'll.
Any series that does it.
Where the main protagonisttrips and falls and rips their
clothes off by accident, it'sjust bad.
Anything that does that whereit's fan service disguised as
(01:11:28):
slapstick specifically ruins theshow.
I cannot show it to people.
Disguise is slapstickspecifically ruins a show.
I cannot show it to people.
Fire force, soul eater, highschool dx, deep, what was it?
High school of the dead, likethat is.
It's the worst because it'slike god is sexually harassing
and using the character as anexcuse, but it's always an
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accident, so it's not theirfault is the worst, worst tropes
.
I think it's the an accident,so it's not their fault is the
worst, Worst trope.
I think it's the worst tropethan an actual pervert, because
then, like you can have acharacter get like beat up for
that, mmm.
Uh.
The second trope I absolutelyhate is when they have the girl
in your three-person squad andshe just sucks the Sakura, the
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Nobara, the I'm sure odihime,where it's like, oh, we added a
female character to be kidnappedspecifically or to not be
interested in the protagonistbut be interested in the dual
tagging so the protagonist hasto win them over.
It's just bad.
It's a bad thing that keepshappening and every manga would
(01:12:34):
be better if it could pass theBechdel test.
Like Ochako in my Hero justdoesn't get a character arc,
despite having a veryinteresting power.
Honestly, the fact she didn'twalk around with a giant
sledgehammer that she needed towait for and hit people with a
giant sledgehammer such a missedopportunity.
Like Rukia was the dualantagonist of Bleach and didn't
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like get any.
Although Bleach is weird withhis screen time where they're
like we're not going to give itto any of the characters we
built up and we're just going togive every captain in Aronk.
Bleach got pretty bad for thatby the end.
I'm just like, yeah, we're justgiving screen time to
characters you do not know orcare about at all.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Here's your 26 lettered villains.
Yeah, yeah, that was definitelyso.
I think that goes on my list oftropes is introduced.
Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
As I've said before, I don't like when people
introduce characters past thehalfway point of the series, so
I think that's a trope.
Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I hate too is the midseason 10 new numbered
villains dropped.
That does seem to be like.
You mentioned Tokyo Ghoul.
You said that the manga didn'tscrew itself over it did, but
not as much like.
The anime was unwatchably badthe mid-season character dump I
couldn't get through it in themanga.
It kills a lot of things.
The mid-season character dump Icouldn't get through it.
(01:13:52):
I couldn't get through it, yeah, in the manga.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
It kills a lot of things.
It's part of what ruined Attackon Titan for me too.
Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
They do the time skip and then had a mid-season
character dump.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Yeah, shippuden dodged it.
They wisely only added in asingular.
So after Shippuden started theyadded in characters in the
single digits, like they addedin a singular.
So after Shippuden started theyadded in characters in the
single digits, like they addedin Sai and Tree Guy, but waited
a while.
They staggered their mid-seasoncharacter dumps.
When Shippuden happened theyadded in two characters, a plot
arc and that was it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
It got unreasonable by the Ninja War where they did
their other dump, but theybasically established everybody
yeah, the Ninja War is actuallypretty tough to read too,
because of the character dump, Imean they managed to foreshadow
most of the characters.
Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
They dodged a lot of it because they're like we've
introduced before.
That happened because they hadlike a UN meeting and stuff like
.
All right, at least we knowwho's in the Sand Village.
We know who's in the LightningVillage.
We have a decent idea who's inthe Mist Village from Cont in
the lightning village.
We have a decent idea who's inthe mist village from con.
Like we had a decent idea whomost of the people were by that
point.
Right where fairy tale, afterits time skipper, like let's
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just add in five guilds and havethe guild tournament, right.
So yeah, the mid-seasoncharacter dump is a trope I
despise.
I also despise the abusive girlwhere they're like oh yeah, she
just punches the protagonistaggressively forever and I'm
like okay, that's not betterbecause you're still not passing
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the bechdel test.
I give a pass to the psychoperson from future diary,
because the plot revolved aroundher being unstable like that,
right, right.
However, I think we're going tomove into our random topic and
wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Oh no, I don't have a random question for you today.
I thought I might, but if I didI forgot it.
The moment has passed.
Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Casually tragic, I'm not going to say deeply.
So here's the question Wouldthe One Ring corrupt Deadpool?
Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Would the One Ring corrupt Deadpool?
Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I don't think it would I think he'd be fine.
I think he'd corrupt one of theDeadpools.
He's pre-smeagoled.
Here's my theory of how thisgoes.
He would put on the ring notbecause it willed him to do it,
to make the race come, but so hecould fight the race
specifically in a sword fight.
Like he turned it on andflipped off Sauron to fight
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Sauron specifically.
I think he's corrupting thering.
Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I think the ring isn't going to corrupt him
physically, but I think the ringwould corrupt him mentally.
Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I think he would corrupt the ring.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah Well, I mean, he is a fourth wall breaking
wisecracking mercenary, so it ispossible that with his
metanology he would just be ableto corrupt the ring itself.
Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Interesting.
But with that I think that's itfor our episode this week.
We maybe talked about our topica little bit and I'm going to
leave with this parting wisdomIf you're writing a story, don't
explode clothes.
Don't't do it.
You don't have to.
You could just write an entireseries where everyone stays
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appropriately clothed the entiretime.
You're allowed to do that.
You have my permission, and theonly time is acceptable is when
it's like raccoon or napa,where it's just a big beefy guy
whose clothes explode Zangief'sstyle.
I'll let you have that one.
If you must explode acharacter's clothing, make it a
character who would feelempowered and comfortable by it
(01:17:45):
and also age up all of yourcharacters to college.
Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Oh yeah, because that's one of the other things
that makes the honor at the highschool very uncomfortable.
Uh, is that at the very at thebeginning of the series they
very clearly state that she's 13?
Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
uh and to finish it up, anime's protagonist of the
year was jinwoo, not kafka.
Jinwoo, not Kafka, not Him, notFreerid, not Mao.
Mao not Momo, not Okaroon.
It was Sungjinwoo, the bestwritten character of the year.
Bye, bye.
Good unspecified time period.
My name is Richard with an Rand welcome to Richard and Carl
with a K.
Presents Deep Space and Dragons.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And I am Carl.
I'm going to specify this is amedieval podcast because of the
dragons, I'll allow it.
I mean, space has always beenthere, so you know.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I mean, space has always been there, so you know
it's true.
It's like it's alwaysinteresting to me, because I was
getting a monologue the otherday about people sorting things
into categories, right, okay.
And if you were to say thatStar Wars is science fantasy,
you'd be right, because there'sjust wizards shooting lightning,
right.
So if you were to tell me thatdeep space and dragons is a
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medieval podcast, I immediatelythink of the spaceship that got
shot down with a dragon with amana cannon on its back, and I'm
like, yeah, sure, because, like, if a spaceship shows up in
your fantasy series, providedyou're mythical enough about it,
you stay fantasy until youstate otherwise.
Because, like, if we learnedthat Sauron and the One Ring
(01:06):
came from space, it would beterrible, but it would still be
fantasy.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I mean, and even in the Star Wars lore it's
like they use kyber crystalsthat respond to emotions to
power their technologicallyadvanced lightsabers.
So it's like there istechnology but it's kind of
magical at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yep, and also they don't know how long an hour is
they do not.
Alright, so what's new with you?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, First a mini movie board game review.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh, spicy.
Wait, did you watch Clue?
Because Clue is amazing.
No, no.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I guess that'd be a board game movie, not a movie
board game.
We went to London Drugs andthey had they had the Titanic.
No, sorry, titanic.
The board game on for $7.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I also would probably cave for that for sheer
curiosity.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, $7 for Titanic the board game, and yeah, so we
purchased it because it wascheap and we we tried it out.
It's kind of interesting.
Um, you're on the titanic,you're in the room, individual
rooms, uh, and the rooms willhave like passengers, action
(02:38):
cubes, lifesavers, a bunch ofdifferent stuff, and you go
around and you're trying to takepassengers and get them onto
the lifeboats which are oneither side of the ship.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I really hope there's a game mechanic where you have
to try and get people to stopmaking out inside the parked car
to save them.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, they're not exactly.
There are different star cardsthat you can buy for locations,
events, scenes and locations,items, scenes, and there was one
more, I can't remember, of thescene cards.
(03:20):
The one of the scene cards wasit's worth five victory points
and you get bonus points if yousing.
The chorus to my Heart Will GoOn.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's actually amazing.
That was more fun than I wasexpecting this board game to be.
I'm gonna be real.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But so then, obviously, you're trying to move
people from pickup passengersto take them to the boats, and
the board is divided into fourcolumns with four rows.
At the end of each turn, one ofthose columns will start to
flood, and when a whole row isflooded, then the flood line
(04:01):
rises up and everything in thatrow is, uh, removed from the
game and all those passengersare dead and whatever, um, and
so you have to try and save asmany passengers as you can using
the action cubes that you pickup from the board, um, and then
get to the top of the ship toget onto your own lifeboat, uh,
within nine rounds just to givea meta comment here, because
(04:23):
it's kind of really funny to me.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So, pre-podcast, I was explaining the rules to
Daggerheart to you and I havethis instinct right now to be
like do we really need to coverall the game mechanics?
Like I didn't do that verbatimwithout the mug on less than a
minute ago.
Oh, but please continue.
I just need to put out theirony between my internal
monologue and reality.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I just need to put out the irony between my
internal monologue and reality.
And I mean I would say, overallit was pretty pretty fun.
I mean to be fair for $7, ithas to be more fun than a
seven-piece chicken nuggets atthis point with flimflation,
yeah, it was more fun than sevenMcNuggets.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, don't sue us McDonald's, but I also haven't
done the budget on your nuggets.
Also, make your prices cheaper.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, definitely worth $7.
I don't know what it would beworth full price, but it was fun
enough and there were enoughdifferent strategies to
potentially win that me, myroommate and my brother ended up
with within one point of eachother.
I ended up winning by one point.
(05:37):
Then the next person was onepoint down.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I assume by drawing nude sketches of all the other
players for a star card.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
See, my strategy was just to fill the lifeboats.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What your plan was to responsibly exit the Titanic.
Did you learn nothing from thatmovie?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
My brother.
He played Rose's fiancé.
I can't remember his name now,but he was kind of a douchebag.
He was kind of a douchebag andyou know, at the end of the
movie he grabs the child like Ihave a child, let me on the boat
.
And it's just some other randomperson's child.
Anyways, each player also getsa secret objective, and my
(06:17):
brother's secret objective?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I hope one of them is Sink the Titanic.
No one of your plays is theiceberg.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
My brother's secret objective Was one victory point
To a maximum of ten For Everypassenger that is lost to sea.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So yes, actually he was on the side of the iceberg,
that is correct.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah.
So it's like there's red guysthat are worth three points,
grey guys that are worth there,there's red guys that are worth
three points, gray guys over twopoints and green guys are worth
one point, and he literally didnot save any green guys,
because they were worth just asmany points on the boat as they
were on the iceberg for him thatfeels charged racially in any
(07:04):
event, mini review over uh sevenout of ten that's pretty good
higher review than a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It just doesn't do it for me until the time travel
aspect, like in a vacuum, no,but as part of the cameron
cinematic universe.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Check whatever early episodes for that journey okay,
but now I don't know if I'mactually going to make this a
regular segment or not.
But Ethical question time.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh, wow, you know what?
That's a fantastic recurringsegment.
Last time I just roasted youfor not like paying delivery
drivers hourly wages.
Let's see how far I can digmyself here, Because now it's on
the can that?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Richard doesn't believe in tips?
Okay, well, so I mean, firstly,I can't think of the best word
to describe it but I do feel abit foolish for complaining
about Red Cross not giving ourdelivery driver a tip and then
Saskatchewan going into a stateof emergency like within a week
after that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I mean to be fair, though, that let me roast you to
my friends all week, Alright.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
But this is unrelated to the wildfires.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
They're not caused by James Cameron.
Alright, good to know, no, so?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I've said before, you know I'm conflicted, uh, when
uh, like homeless people or justpeople in general, because you
don't actually know what theirsituation is.
When people come in and they askfor free food and even if we
have free food that's literallygoing in the garbage we have to
say no for health and safetyreasons.
Sure, well, I mean, we don'thave to say no, but there are a
(08:47):
variety of reasons why we do sayno, and they're mostly centered
around the health and safety ofour staff members, because we
don't know these people'ssituation and they're likely to
come back and potentially beangry or violent if we say no
the next time when we don't have.
Ah, anyway, it's more about thefact that I'm conflicted
(09:09):
because I don't like the idea ofwasting food and throwing it
out, but I don't think that weshould just give it away,
because then they'll come backand it undermines our business
and it potentially puts ourstaff members at risk if they do
get violent or angry.
Uh, and you know we're notequipped to deal with mental
health issues like that andstuff for homeless people in
(09:32):
particular, but uh, anyways, sothere's also not really about
sorry, go ahead, is that not?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
your ethical question .
No, no, no, no, all right,you'll get there, I believe
there's more about the idea ofbeing being conflicted, being
like.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I feel like morally it would be right to give the
homeless people the food, but Iact in a way that I don't give
them food because of otherconcerns which I don't know if
it's fair to overbalance myother concerns over the needs of
the people who are asking forfree food, but we also don't
(10:13):
know their situation.
I guess I just anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So I'm going to give such a weird tangent here.
Ok, this will not help yourethical quandary in any way.
Okay, this will not help yourethical quandary in any way.
And asking like, hey, what areRichard's thoughts on ethical
quandaries?
Is like talking to Lucy inDisenchantment, who's like a
literal demon that enablesnegativity.
Okay, so one of my brother'sacquaintances who probably
(10:37):
doesn't listen to this podcast,but this would be a fun way of
accidentally outing them totheir family in a situation, so
I'll try and be as vague aspossible attempted to go to
university and their family saidthey cannot support them
through university.
They'll have to figure it outthemselves.
As you're well aware, foruniversity funding, if you have
rich parents, they expect yourparents to help you, and it's
(11:00):
almost impossible to securefunding unless you're far enough
removed to be a separate maturestudent.
Right I?
I'm speaking with someconfidence in this one.
It might be different fromregion to region, school to
school, but in my personalexperience in like student
working, it's not good to have arich parent that doesn't help
you as far as funding isconcerned, right.
So they tell them they can'thelp.
(11:21):
They can, can't help, theycan't help, but their church
sponsored somebody to go throughuniversity.
So their parents were talkingat a family dinner about how
they sponsored this person to goto university, but not their
son, because they weresponsoring for the clout.
So, magically, they'reethically like let's sponsor
this person to be charitable.
(11:41):
So they're like, so, magically,they're ethically like let's
sponsor this person to becharitable but not actually
sponsoring their family, becauseno one cares if you send your
son to school, but people careif you send a stranger to school
and it makes you look good foryour religious organization or
non-religious Right right.
So to loop around a bit, say youhave an employee fighting food
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insecurity and you have somebodyoutside your business being
like hey, can you help me?
Or let's go back to thedelivery driver story last week.
So say this delivery driver isalso food insecure and you give
the people who are in a wildfirea bigger discount than your
food insecure employee.
Are you a bad person?
(12:23):
Was it performative charity?
So kind of.
Where I'm looping back aroundto this is that a lot of good
things people do are partly goodthings and partly for clout.
They'll send somebody to schoolfor the clout, not for to help
out their actual close familymembers.
So when it comes to somethinglike a pizzeria, are they
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willing to give out free food?
What I despise is a Tim Hortons.
Yeah, I'm going to call you outdirectly.
You're not a sponsor.
Come at me, bro, don't sue me,but seriously, we'll look like.
I remember being there when theyrolled over the hey, you cannot
have end of day donuts, andthey came up with fictional
excuses like what if we get sickfrom them which is funny,
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because they're fresher than theones that we do eat, because we
rotate at X number of hours andwe bake them at six and it was
12, therefore, and then the jokebeing it's like Tim Hortons is
like here's our charity.
We donate to this.
We do that.
So they're willing to givestrangers food by being like
look how much money we donatedto the food bank but won't let
their staff eat the food.
It has to go in the garbage.
(13:26):
But when we go to likeholistics about the, can we give
food to people For collegeclubs?
Like I said, this tangent'sgoing all over the place.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This tangent is going all over the place.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
For college clubs.
You cannot bring in homemadefood.
It has to be prepackaged with areceipt, because a everyone
who's seen a awkward teen comedymovie is like what if it's pop
air and he's well, but reallyit's a liability thing, right?
You want to make sure that ifyou sue somebody, you're suing
walmart, not a classmate whobrought in tainted stroganoff,
(14:00):
right, right, right.
So, especially with, like,covet restrictions and things,
it's like, yeah, if you'regetting someone food, it's
pre-packaged, it's paid for froma third party and there is some
liability things.
I did a search earlier to seeif, like, there is actual
lawsuits of people be like oh, Igot fed day old pizza at the
end of the day and won thelawsuit.
That feels like corporate talk.
(14:21):
Trying to be like hey, becauseI remember tim hortons declaring
yeah, I'm gonna call out timhortons again.
Come at me, bro that if we letstaff members take home day old
donuts, bakers will bake moredonuts.
Bakers don't make that choice.
We're handed a spreadsheet thatsays how many donuts we make
and then when we run out our,our manager yells why ain't you
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make more?
Screams, and we make more.
So the concern is that if wegive our staff let them take end
of day food, they'll result instaff making more food so they
can take.
It doesn't actually work, butthey're more concerned about
hypothetical loss than peoplehaving good times.
Kind of like how Tim Horton'suniforms don't have pockets in
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the pants because they'reworried they'll steal.
So sewing the pockets shut isclearly the solution.
Not paying them a living wageso they wouldn't be like the
idea that someone would shove ahalf-eaten bagel in their pocket
and your thought isn't maybe weshould give them a free lunch
because they're so hungry.
They will have sweet and sugargoop deconstruct in their pocket
all day so they can chew on it.
It's like, yeah, we need tomake sure that they're not
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shoving donuts in their pockets.
My thought is why are theyshoving donuts in their pockets?
Just eat a donut.
They're less than 13 cents tomake.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
To be clear, a part of my part of the reason I'm so
conflicted is because if thereis messed up food, the staff do
just get to eat it, and anyone.
If there's messed up food atthe end of the night staff can
just take it home, and ifthey're off the clock they took
the food home.
I mean they can give it to ahomeless person if they want.
It's their food now thatthey've left the store.
But the store itself.
(15:54):
We don't really want peoplecoming in and asking for free
food.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh, exactly, and like also humanity makes me lose
faith in them.
So, as much as I'd love to belike, yes, you should feed them.
Remember Bear Guy, who wouldask for day-old donuts to use in
like bear photography, this waslike back at Redacted Donuts.
We worked together when BearGuy was a thing so long ago,
right, right.
(16:18):
And then we stopped gettingBear Guy free donuts because he
just left them there and theymade a mess, so we stopped
getting free stuff, yeah.
So it's like I do think you canhelp out more people sometimes
by being more strategic andethical.
Handing random people slices ofpizza.
I see the ethics right.
If you're giving it to yourstaff to give to their families,
(16:39):
you're already winning in mybook.
But for people with dependencyand things, I would much rather
you like sell the pizza at adiscount at the end of the night
to customers and donate that tothe food bank would actually
help more people than justgiving them the pizza.
Ironically, so it's like it's aweird societal thing though,
(16:59):
because I remember as a kidgoing to restaurants in the end
of night.
Be like, oh you just can I havesome stuff as a customer in the
back, yeah sure.
Or give me a huge discount mallsushi guy was really good for
that because I restaurants atthe end of the night and being
like, oh, can I have some stuffas a customer?
And they'd be like, yeah, sure,or give me a huge discount.
Mall Sushi Guy was really goodfor that because I'd go get
end-of-the-day sushi.
But I do think like free versusdiscount, I would be more
likely, personally, to givediscounts to people at the end
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of the day and, in an idealworld, use the funds to like
donate to charity on a largerscale.
It's kind of like your pizzaplace being profitable is what
lets you give a large discountto 60 pizzas and help out more
people, whereas like if peoplejust swarm your pizzeria at the
end of the night and no one goesin because they're worried
they'll be shivved right.
(17:42):
So there's like that idealismversus reality thing.
I know the neighborhoods you'rein.
I know like I remember one timespecifically that I once helped
out a person that lurked in themini mall when I worked at
redacted restaurant insaskatchewan and they kept
trying to solicit I had brokenmy thumb.
I shoved into a drawer, thethumbnail turned black and
falled off.
I was in possibly the most painI've ever been in.
(18:04):
Actually turns out, slammingyour thumb in a cast-iron drawer
is just really, really rough.
Right, she's in front of thecar knocking on the window and I
need to go to the hospital andshe wouldn't move out of the way
.
And the thing is, had I neverhelped this human being, I
wouldn't have spent 20 minutesin immense physical pain, dying
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because their priorities werehigher.
Their survival, naturally, wasa higher priority to them than
my survival was to them.
Right, because Maslow'shierarchy of needs is real when
people are hungry, cold andstarving, they're not really
concerned about social etiquette.
So, like I see scam ads forthis app, I really do like the
(18:48):
idea of a discount app that'slike hey, it's end of day,
here's what we got left over,come in for 50 off or 60 off.
But I think by making it atransaction, even if it's a
small fee, it's like how's thisgonna sound so mean and get me
canceled on the internet?
But I do believe that if youspent all day panhandling, you
should have to pay $3 for yourpizza.
(19:09):
Like the number of people whoare, like, outside the liquor
store asking for money to go andbuy liquor.
I can't afford liquor.
Like I haven't had a drinksince I went to that gallow of
free drinks because I don't havethe budget for it.
Times are tough.
Unemployment is unemployment islike brutal right now.
The job market is terrible andI'm like, yeah, giving people a
(19:30):
discount is good, but when youmake it free and I've noticed
this for a lot of things,especially to go into, like this
tangent's almost done to gointo literary world and novels a
free ebook is consideredgarbage.
If I put my ebook out for free,people assume If I put my e-book
out for free, people assumeit's bad.
If I put it for 99 cents,people assume it's bad.
If I put it for $4.99, peopleassume it's good.
(19:54):
Because why is it a dollar?
That's just me making moremoney.
The quality of the book doesn'tincrease with the pricing, but
people see a premium product andthey think it's better.
But it's also like ifsomething's free, people will
accept it and throw it on theground and trash it right, right
(20:16):
.
As someone who's worked at somany open houses and booths, I
was running the D&D Club boothand people were like, oh, can I
have this?
And going for D&D club booth?
And people were like, oh, can Ihave this?
And going for D&D props?
You're a business major, you donot need a Mimic Chess figurine
.
You will never need it andyou're physically trying to take
it from me after I said nobecause it's on this table.
Or like I'll send out charactersheets and people are like,
(20:41):
yeah, I'll take one, and there'sjust a pile of them around the
trash can.
So like the very act that youattribute some value to
something, even if you take aloss, means people then
attribute a value back, right,right, if you literally had a
sign that was up that was likeend of day mystery pizza,
whatever's left, dollar a slice,I think that would solve your
problem ethically, because it'slike, yes, they should have a
(21:03):
dollar, and if they really don't, you can be like here, I'll
give you a dollar to buy adollar slice of pizza.
But now they have to at leastbe a customer and there's a
certain level of composurepeople have when they enter a
restaurant.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That is generally true, yes, but my ethical
question actually, like I say,it's not about homeless people,
but it is in a similar vein.
We have this elderly customer.
I've been told she's elderly.
I mean, I haven't actually hadany in-person interactions with
this person, just occasionallyon the phone.
They live reasonably far awayfrom our store so you know, like
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our drivers, they'll drivewherever they need to go,
because they go where the moneyis, but the further away it is,
obviously they're not happy ifthey don't get a tip or if
there's something wrong with theorder or whatever.
And this particular customerover the past couple months and
this particular customer overthe past couple months, she has
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either lost or forgotten herdebit card or forgotten her PIN
and been unable to pay for herfood.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's an interesting argument, but sure.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, to the point where everyone suspects that
maybe she has some form ofdementia or something like that
or she's just lying to kick it.
I mean, maybe when she can'tpay for her food, like we can't
just give it to the personbecause they can't pay for the
food, we don't really knowanything about their life
(22:37):
situation.
They could just be trying toscam us and like it undermines
their business to just give awayfree food in that way, to like
an individual like that.
Like if you give away free foodas a giant donation, you're
you're actually making astatement about your, your
business.
But if you're just giving itaway to an individual because
they couldn't pay for their food, that's just teaching them to
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not pay for their food.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Well, it's like capitalism's weird because I
personally believe in thingslike universal basic income,
assisting people, the fact thatwe're in this weird dystopia
where people like ai's gonnatake all the jobs but no one's
willing to accept that then thegovernment needs to pay people
basic income by siphoning offthe top one percent, because if
there's no jobs, people willjust die and then they'll revolt
(23:21):
and then they'll literally dragoligarchs to the ground and
execute them via gullotineFrench Revolution style.
So it's like I agree these arelarge societal problems, but I
hate band-aid solutions.
Like I was publicly superagainst La Prime Minister being
like hey, everybody, have a 1%sales tax reduction on valuable
(23:43):
items for three months.
That's not a solution.
Solution hey, have a slice ofpizza isn't a solution, right,
right, what is a solution is hey, we're going to donate monthly
to the food bank.
Or like a smile cookie thing,like get a slice of smile pizza,
half all profits go to the foodbank, is an actual solution
(24:06):
because they're better equippedto handle it.
Much.
Like hey, all all proceeds gotowards employment, canada,
we're better prepared to handleit.
So my ethics are weird.
Like I agree no, food should bea right.
Health care should be a right.
Housing should be a right.
Airbnb should have been illegalyesterday because they never
passed an inspection.
But when it comes to like theidea of like am I a bad person
(24:29):
for not giving people money?
I've been a broke student forfour years.
You know what I literally saidto someone handling me on the
bus at eight in the morning youhave more money than me because
I'm at negative forty thousanddollars.
You're harassing people whocan't afford transport because
they're more likely to beempathetic than people at car
lots.
No one on redacted transit at 6am is financially well off,
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because you just wouldn't be.
You're either a student or anemployee at a soul crushing job,
because if you were well off,you would have a car.
Because you're getting up atsix in the morning to ride a bus
for an hour to be panhandled atby this guy.
So I said that to their faceverbatim.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
The ethical question isn't actually about whether or
not we give the lady the food.
The ethical question and maybeit's not even the right word but
firstly, do you know if thereis any particular service that
you would call to do a welfarecheck on the elderly?
And since I don't know anythingabout this person's situation,
(25:41):
aside from what I've justdescribed she appears to have
memory problems and isfrequently unable to pay for her
food do you think that wouldwarrant enough concern from me,
as, I'm going to say, aproprietor of a business, to
call a welfare check on this?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
customer.
That's a good question.
So the beauty of being astudent employee is I have the
out of my pay grade defense andI've used it three or four times
where it's like I say thatsassily, but it really is.
This question is out of thescope of what I can handle as a
student employee.
I will put you in touch withcounseling.
So in a school, my solution isreally easy, right, like if I
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worked at the school cafeteriaand this happened repeatedly, I
would send them to studentservices and I would walk them
to the health and wellnesscenter, like I've literally
walked students.
Like I have this, this, thishappening in my life.
I'm like that sounds like asuicide risk.
(26:39):
Come with me, hey.
Um, front desk, I know you havea line, but can you like get
someone here now please?
That'd be great because I don'twant to cause death.
So I will let trainedprofessionals do this right so
logistically, what you'retalking about is similar to how
I would handle it of callsomebody when I hit a certain
point, but you don't have thatconvenient connection.
So this will be some researchon your part, because I would
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absolutely, in a school settingwhere they're everyone's insured
for one thing and covered right, so I wouldn't put them into
crippling bankruptcy by doingthis to them I would absolutely
call somebody to get them help.
So that's my ethics.
Yeah, I would absolutely lookup who I call, call the person
first independently, like oh, Ijust have some information.
(27:23):
What should I do in thissituation?
Right, like, literally justcall, like a university's elder
research center, for example.
Be like alright, u of S ElderCare Center center.
Hi, I have this person that'scoming in like this who should I
contact?
I love me universities and Ilove me libraries.
You know how happy some randomgrad student will be to get a
phone call where someone in reallife is asking them for their
(27:46):
expertise on the topic.
Because, yeah, it's fair to notknow.
But I think that would be myplay is, I would google elder
care specialist saskatchewan,call them and be like hi, I have
this problem.
What do you suggest I do?
Because I am like.
I avoid trying to call the copson people if I can help it
(28:07):
right.
Right.
One time, and after an internetargument, someone called the
cops, thinking I was a suiciderisk, and they showed up my door
to make sure I was still aliveand that was a very positive
interaction that went great forme because I know that if I was
a suicide risk, someone in theinternet made sure I didn't die.
I wasn't.
I'm just a drama queen.
(28:27):
It was on a D&D forum and I wasusing metaphor.
What drama queen on?
It was on a dnd form and I wasusing metaphor.
What the point is?
That calling proper authoritieswould be my play, which is
ironic with all the things I'vesaid to anti-authority and
government and things over theyears.
But yeah, no, there is actuallytrained, passionate
professionals whose job it is todeal with this and the best way
to find them is to ask theprofessional whose job it is to
find them.
Fair enough, I hope I answeredyour ethical quandary.
(28:51):
And yeah, give your staff freemeals, just everyone in this
universe.
If you run a profitable foodservice job and you're not
giving your staff free meals,that's bad, right, that's just
bad.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I definitely agree that if your business is
profitable and I mean obviouslyyou need proper management,
that's making sure that thesystem isn't being abused, but
within reason you can give yourstaff a free meal, and it's just
the same as if a burger gotwasted.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And it's also worth putting this out there too, just
for some basic math for people.
So we don't pay people fortheir lunch break.
It's their own time.
They can do whatever want.
That north america's justdecided this because we're bad
people, including universities,right right.
But we also kind of acknowledgethat most people on break no
boss has ever been sopure-hearted that if they get
slammed by some accepted rush,they don't ask the person to
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help.
Nor is it really practical forthem to go home or live their
life in any meaningful comfort.
So we're giving them a breakalmost entirely because doctors
around the world have agreedthat you need to let people stop
moving once in a while so thenthey can do more hard work for
you.
The staff meal is almost alwaysgoing to be cheaper than if you
just paid them for that breakhour, yeah.
(30:09):
So like, if you're not going topay them to rest and you're
going to do that thing whereit's like your shift starts at
this so you have to bepre-changed, we're not going to
pay you for that.
Just at least give them asandwich, guys.
Like, come on, give them thething that costs you like maybe
three dollars to make it, sothat way they don't spend their
day hungry.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's not unreasonable so, tldr, uh, you think that
the situation I described wouldat least warrant doing some
research and calling to see ifsomeone else thinks it's someone
more qualified, thinks it's arisk absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
If I was in this situation, I would call
counseling and be like hi, thesame person has come up five or
six times and seems to beforgetting their PIN number in
their card.
Who should I talk to about this?
Because, like I'm such a tornperson, because, like I study
like ethics, humanity andgoodness, and I'm, like,
immersed in positivity, I alsoworked in a movie theater
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theater, so it's like I'm alsonot above calling security and
having someone dragged outbecause they screamed at me to
not that I didn't accept theirgross popcorn bag, because they
were told free refuse refills adecade ago and they keep using
the same bag so it's like.
I want the world to be a betterplace, but I also want, like
professionals, to do it.
One of the biggest things Ilearned in my degree is there's
people who are trained in things.
Let them figure these problemsout.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I do have a small side tangent.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Someone comes in today and they have a stack I'm
going to say it was at least 20little coupon cards that say one
free small pizza expireswhatever date 2019.
And so he comes in and he'slike hey, can I use this stack
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of free small pizzas?
And we're like no.
No, they're expired.
And he's like mmm, it's illegalfor there to be an expire date
on these, so you should let meuse them.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And then he responded with cool I'll call the cops
and we can have them figure itout.
That works every time.
By the way, I was so jaded bythe end of my kitchen tour.
That wasn't a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, ok.
So apparently it is illegal forgift cards because they're
purchased and have a monetaryvalue to have expiry dates,
which makes sense because yougave someone money, your money
should never expire.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But these free small pizza coupons we give them out
for free, so they're not part ofthis law that prevents you from
having a fight against them.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's like when I hyperinflated Richard points and
they lost all value.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just thought that was funny because it's like if
they expired in 2019, that meansthat they got them in 2018,
which means that they've hadthese things for like eight
years.
And they just like found themin a drawer somewhere and came
in and tried to claim them andtried to strong arm us into
giving away this free pizza andthen, after leaving, like well,
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I was just going to give them tocharity.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's like no, you weren't.
If you'd opened with that, thiswould have been a very
different conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It would have If they had opened with that.
I might have been like well,you know, we could, if you give
us those coupons, we could givesome to charity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
But like you know, I think I spent too, long in an
academic safe space where I canspeak my mind, because I'm like,
oh yeah, how I would havehandled that.
Ooh, handle that.
Let's role play the interaction.
You be the customer.
I'd be emotionally dead inside,but in a good mood, richard,
welcome to redacted pizza.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
uh oh, I have uh these uh free small pizza
coupons.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm hoping I could could uh redeem them oh, let me
take a look at these things, whyI was actually wondering the
same thing.
I would like to knowlegitimately, why you have a
stack of these because thesewere one per person when we gave
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them out.
Did you mug people for them?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I did kind of.
I kind of suspected that maybehe just like found a stack of
them in the garbage right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like were you dumpster diving behind?
I would have said that.
Like, were you dumpster divingbehind?
I would have said that I waslike were you dumpster diving
behind t-days pizza, looking forcoupons like dude?
There's better ways to makemoney.
Go to service saskatchewan andgo into their job placement
program and you can pick up cansand they'll pay you for that
and then you can buy your pizzawith money, the thing we use
anyways, I don't know if we'regonna get into our topic proper,
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because we still have to findout what's new with Richard.
Oh yeah.
So I could either give a supercondensed one or like a full
lengthy, super detailedmonologue, so it's probably
gonna be like a three minute.
What's new with Richard?
Okay, okay, okay.
So I graduated yesterday andfinally went to my ceremony,
okay.
So here's some things aboutgraduation that I expected and
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didn't expect, so I'm just goingto mostly give graduation fun
facts and a quick montage ofwhat happens.
All right.
So first off, I finishedclasses like a month ago and I'm
like graduation, I don't care.
And then my beloved friends andfamily are like you don't have
a choice.
I'm like, ah, but it soundslike work.
I already have a book deal.
Why would I go to grad frombook school?
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Right, so I give them the.
My grad was two events therewas an anthology watch, because
our writing students and ourpublishing students, as a
capstone, publish an anthology.
That just makes sense, right?
The publishers do the bookdesign, editing.
The writers write the shortstories.
It's a very nice anthology.
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They did good.
They gave us swag bags, copiesof anthology, bookmarks, pins,
like.
It was overall not as good aslast year's because they had a
full documentary they made andscored, but it was pretty good.
My year did pretty good, oh manany of my classmates that listen
to my podcast like we.
We did.
Wow, rude way to say our yearwas less good than the previous
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year.
I mean it was but rude of me tosay right, I should say my year
is the best year I'm in it, butlast year was really good.
I volunteered at the event lastyear for context, so did it
really good?
I would say second or third bestone, not bad okay, okay so we
go to this thing and Iaccidentally gave the wrong time
to all my loved ones.
So, like the day before.
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I'm like.
So when I said start at three,I meant to say it ended at three
, it starts at one.
So my various loved ones arelike well, I can't get there to
like 130.
I'm like that's fine, it's justpeople talking.
So my campus didn't hold it inlike a hall.
They kind of had like the lobby, has like an event space in it,
but it's also like the lobby.
So they like put up like somepartitions, but any human being
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can just walk through there ifthey want right.
Which means I don't care if myfriends and family come late,
I'll sit in the back row.
Any human being can just walkthrough there if they want right
.
So I'm listening.
They all show up.
They sit down.
We do this grad yearbook thingwhere we all sign each other's
anthologies, because duh.
But also one of my classmatesmade up cwp shirts for my
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program and everyone was goingaround signing the back of these
shirts, which is kind of cool,okay.
And then teachers give theirspeeches.
One of my professors gave ametaphor for my program being
canceled where, like he talkedabout how tragic it was about
this art summer camp.
He really loved being canceledand like it was like it was
beautiful because it was justhow close can he get without
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losing his job, calling them outon this decision but your
program.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This is the last year for your program uh, it's
suspended right now.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
They might resume it so, like everyone who's
currently enrolled gets tograduate years one, two, three
and then the programtheoretically is being shut down
.
Oh, because 60 of universitycollege funding got lost from
international student.
That's a whole thing, yeah,yeah, that is a whole episode
for me to explain what happenedto my school.
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I have.
I have some context there yeah,but like to catch everyone up to
speed just google ontariocolleges and then complain to
your mp that we're losing ourcolleges.
While all jobs are shifting toskill-based, let's not train any
writers.
In an era where contentcreation makes up like 30 of the
gdp, sure, anyways.
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So we gave this a big metaphoryeah, so we go through this
launch party which had cheesecubes and things, and then
there's actual grad right theworst part.
So we do a break between thetwo.
I cry tears because my familymade like my friends made a
lovely card that have, so theywent out their way to have
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everyone sign it with.
How would I have them in myphone?
Because I have people in thephone by like a mix of like dnd
characters and code names andother things right, right so
it's like a super personalizedcard.
I say thank you to one of myfriends who's like there's no
evidence.
I said something nice.
It was a forgery, like yeah,but you baked me cupcakes and
the cupcakes don't lie.
Okay, I do enjoy it.
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It's like anything nice in thatcard is slander.
I didn't consent.
Their message in the card wasjust grats, but there was
homemade cupcakes involved, soI've not fallen for that.
So we basically spend the timebetween these two events in
traffic.
Because we went back to dropoff the cupcakes, to refrigerate
them, because they're goodquality cupcakes, get the gift
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thing and then go to this gradhall.
So you would think they'd lineus up alphabetically, right, you
would think that.
So we go in and scan a QR codeon our phone.
Get our gowns.
We have this like we have towear a hood thing because we're
so we have our gown and we havethis hood thing because it's a
bachelor's degree, because, muchlike Cutlerly, academia has
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their secret language designedto make fun of poor people based
on their like, your stripes andribbons and other things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, due to sexism, these collar, these like hood things were
designed under the assumptionyou have a dress shirt
underneath.
Ok, but no one ever tells youthat.
So 90 percent of people arelike trying to wrap this tie for
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this hood to the zipper oftheir robe because they have
zippers.
And then I'm like to everyone,like, oh, these are literally
designed that you just attachthem to the second button on
your dress shirt underneathbecause sexism.
Why would they update these forthe idea, although, be fair,
anyone can wear a dress shirt.
Technically, if everyone wasrequired to wear a dress shirt
and dress pants, it wouldn't besexism anyway.
Anywho, long story short, thesewere designed under the
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assumption you'd be wearing this.
So I, after teaching a fewpeople how to assemble this
thing and going for photos, itbecame apparent the mistake I
had made.
So I stood at the front of theline so everyone knew where to
stand right.
Instead of being alphabetized,they scan the QR code to let
them know what name to read andyou just go in the order you
happen to have been standing in.
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Oh, so I went first.
Okay, question what don't Ihave?
Oh, so I went first.
Okay, question, what don't Ihave?
I mean lots of things.
What is one?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
of my like top three things I'm bad at.
I mean I'm drawing a blank atthe top of my head.
I mean there's physicallywriting.
That's one, that's one.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll just spoiler it, you would have got it pretty
quick.
I have no sense of direction.
Okay, that's true, that wouldbe in the top three.
It's like can't write.
Get queasy when I listen tomedical things have no sense of
direction whatsoever, right, soI'm going first.
I'm like, oh no, no, I don'thave someone to follow off the
stage.
I need to know what I'm doing.
So I go out and I shake thepresident of the college's hand.
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So, with the back sense that myprogram has been canceled and
my sheridan's been a crap, I didokay, fine.
My college, which I just namedropped sue me, anyone who
Googles me can figure this out,because it's all of my posts
right now has been a largelypositive experience.
But whenever something negativehappens, I speak out about it
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because of who I am as a person,right.
So I am with the president ofthe school in front of me, who
I've sent sassy emails toprobably on three occasions over
the course of my time there,one of which resulted directly
in me meeting with like a reallyhigh-ranked person and getting
one of my best jobs I had there.
So you know, emails work, right.
I shake their hand and I'm just.
My brain is entirely okay.
(42:39):
Which directions do I go?
They say congratulations, youworked hard to get here.
I said in my fugue state, Iknow, paused for a full beat and
I went, thank you.
So they said you worked hard.
And I'm like, I know.
And I'm like, oh no, I hansoloed them.
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That was not my intent.
Then I like speed walk off thestage because I like I need to
flee now managed to navigatesuccessfully back to the stage
and sit down.
And then, as I'm like 90% ofthe way back, I see my loved
ones with a camera and it's likepause for a second to photo.
They mouth at me.
So I like smile and thenproceed to continue running back
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to Speed, walking back to myseat and, as a result, there's
like the only photo in existencewhere I smiled, showing my
teeth, because I don't like myteeth For viewers who are
picturing me picture that I havea singular vampire fang that's
like a row above the rest of myteeth.
That's just the thing.
Carl can vouch on.
That one, yeah.
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So it's like there's this likeone photo that's ever existed me
showing a toothy smile becausemy entire mental bandwidth was
drained from this experience,because I only pretend to be an
extrovert, so I basically had toplay a character for like 12
hours straight as my like lovedones had to sit there and I'm
like, why does anyone go tothese things?
If it wasn't for my loved ones,this would have been a terrible
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experience, because it wasmostly standing.
However, because I was fullysupported and people did nice
kind emotional things todevastate me and make me cry not
manly tears it was absolutely aworthwhile once-in-a-lifetime
experience and when I graduateagain next year, I ain't doing
it because it's like I couldhave went when I did my one year
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program to get into my fouryear.
I'm like now I'll do it at theend of the four year, and then I
got kind of committed to it.
Yeah, I spent today mostlyrecovering from my celebration,
so that's what's new with me asI learned that we use qr codes
now to figure out who walksacross stages.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, that is a little bit bizarre.
I would have thought that wouldjust be like a check-in thing,
and then they, you know, callthe people alphabetically, or
something.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah.
So I'm like, oh, I guess I'mgoing first.
And one of my friends is like,do you want to switch?
I'm like, oh, I volunteered togo first for literally
everything for four years.
It seems weirdly appropriate.
I'll just commit to it at thisstage.
So, yeah, that's what's newwith me as I give mixed advice
about.
It's like don't feed peoplefrom your private food stores.
(45:24):
Make sure everyone has accessto food stores.
Yeah, alright.
So to move into our featuretopic, which I don't actually
remember exactly, I'm gonnastart by complaining about world
trigger, but not really okay.
Okay, so when we did our lastshow and jump round out, I'm
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like, okay, if world triggerlasts for as long as one piece,
it can get away with this plotarc.
So the second, most recentchapter is like all right, final
day note, you guys will onlyget the food you can manage to
pack for your adventure.
And then a character sends outlike a really sad voicemail,
like we don't have food.
Can you all donate food to usplease?
I'll, I owe you and I love youguys.
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I'm like that was actually areally entertaining chapter
because, michael, you took abreak from the bureaucracy to
just that's a good bit.
The person's like sending likethe most formal note.
They can be like greeting andsalutations.
My friends, we don't have anyfood because we suck.
I will treat you all to mealsafter this.
I swear lucky winners in thedraw will receive.
(46:28):
So I'm like that was actually alegitimately good chapter,
because you stopped from themeta commentary for 30 seconds
and the next chapter is likealright, now we're going to give
everyone their captain reviewand I'm like, oh my lord, please
get to the plot.
After this, there will be adeath battle.
You're going to fight the Aranks in an awesome death battle
where everyone who's in thesetests are going to have this
awesome death battle.
So go through your squad andgive everyone a point score.
(46:49):
I'm like, just please end thisarc and, like I haven't been
counting the chapter count, likeI don't know if the bottle test
was longer than the invasion.
I legitimately don't because ofthe release schedule.
Right, right, and it coulddefinitely come back from this
if people start throwing bricksat each other again.
(47:10):
Like, if, like, if this is justan awesome epic battle, that's
as long, if phase two is as longas phase one and it's just an
epic battle, I'm good, right,but they're literally creating
homework.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Okay, so my topic idea was the way I worded.
It is conceptually interestingideas that give anime a bad name
in execution.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
So my first pitch to this topic is World Trigger,
spirocracy.
World Trigger being like, yeah,we're going to do a really
bureaucratic system Sounds greatin practice, and one of the
things that failed in executionis they gave every character so
many names and had them all lookthe same and it's just like no
one remembers anyone in WorldTrigger.
(47:55):
So it's like that idea of likethem taking their border defense
agency seriously Good idea.
World Trigger is entirely goodidea.
Bad execution right now Becausethey're like our action series
is people sitting in a room notbeing animated.
It's almost the oppositeproblem to the things you're
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going to go back to.
Well, I mean, if you even knewwhat I was going to talk about,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I assume you're just going to complain about the
ending of kaido kaido wasactually, uh, one of three
specific things that I wanted tomention, because Kaido the
right answer.
I started watching it and,before I managed to get to the
end of it, I recommended it toyou because it was awesome.
It was about a negotiator whohas to negotiate with a higher
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level being, and it's like howdo you negotiate with someone
who's smarter than you?
It's pretty great.
Um, it was like super awesomeand and so much fun to watch.
and then they, they bungled theending because they weren't
smarter enough to be smartenough yeah, um, and it was just
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such a letdown.
That's kind of a fringe case ofwhat I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I'm talking more about oh, are we going to go
Kenichi?
And the sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Kenichi wasn't specifically on my list.
I was going to segue intomartial arts as a superpower in
general and I was actually goingto go with a non-anime example
of Marvel's Iron Fist.
Okay, okay, Because Iron Fistjust sounds so cool.
You punch the heart out of adragon and get the power of the
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Iron Fist and then protect KunLun.
It sounds like such a cool idea.
But then Danny Rand was justsuch a little bitch for the lack
of a better term.
Nice, Did you recently go?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
through the Iron Fist series or what.
Or you're just like one nightin three in the morning you're
like why is Iron Fist lame?
I almost want to blamewhitewashing, but that's just a
different problem, endemic ofthe era.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Danny.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Rand's story should not have been told for a white
guy's point of view.
Like that's just so many.
The white savior tropes are sotoxic, like it's the classic
Dune problem.
Oh yeah, the white savior cameto help the desert people.
It's like stop, just stopLorenzingrebiating this In
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having a cool idea that had poorexecution.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
It kind of taints all of like.
Any animated series that haveIron Fist in them have now kind
of been tainted by the terribleexecution of Marvel's iron fist
on netflix.
Um I'll allow it so yeah, andthis happens a lot with martial
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arts as a superpower in general.
Uh, we're like history'sstrongest disciple, kanichi.
They're using their fists,their legs, they're punching and
whatever.
Why do the clothes explode?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
so that was such a roundabout to get to the trope.
Why do clothes explode in anime?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
we all, we know the actual answer.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Right, and it's because sex sells and by putting
exploding clothes on the cover,teenager boys will buy it.
That's why there's no deepermeaning to this, but like it
gives the anime a bad name.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's like exactly the thing.
There's like I don't watchanime because it's too hyper
sexualized, and then you'rewatching a genuinely interesting
, well choreographed, wellthought show and they're just
like yeah, and we just need tothrow in some fan service
because otherwise it won't sellon the quality of our writing
fire force and soul eater werereally bad offenders for that.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Where you're like this doesn't fit the vibe at all
of what's going on here.
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
yeah, I mean, at least fairy tale was gender
neutral, with the clothesexploding so fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
So the reason I give fairy tale and chainsaw man a
pass in this category, soFairytale is everyone is in a
completely impossible body shapeand their clothes explode.
However, the characters inFairytale are aware of this and
they're literally stripping tosell magazines and calendars to
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fund their guild hall.
Right, and stay with me here.
This is the most important plotpoint to fairy tale.
Everyone fairy tales over theage of consent.
Everyone in fairy tale is anadult, because that's anime's
worst trope by far is they dothis to minors, which is just a
crime well, see um.
(52:52):
I would say anime was so muchbetter if you age every
character by five years.
It just makes every charactermake more sense structurally and
narratively every time.
There isn't a single examplewhere the story is not better if
you age everyone by five yearsbut that that sang a ways
perfectly actually into uh, theactual uh series.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
That got me thinking about this.
Um, a little while ago we didan episode about uh school
teachers in anime and how fewgenuine school teachers there
are, even though there's so manyhigh school settings oh yeah um
and uh I I don't know why, butI really got into the regular at
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the Magic Academy you're notthe only one.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
It was a better to Aruno Index and I watched all
three seasons.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I skipped the mini movie where his sister seemingly
gets shot and they have to beresurrected using the
resurrection gun.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
God I hate the resurrection.
You know, the thing is, Iwouldn't.
I wouldn't hate theresurrection gun if it was a
healing bullet gun.
So if you shot someone with ahealing bullet I'd be on board,
but the gun part doesn't even gopew.
It's just, uh, it's too op man.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
but so so season one has a lot of like incest jokes,
the sister brother complex,whatever but it kind of shifts
away to that as it focuses moreon the main character's struggle
between his responsibility withhis great powers and and lack
of what he actually wants toaccomplish.
Yeah, right, right, but there'sa sp-off show and it's called
(54:36):
the Honor at the Magic Academy.
I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Don't.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Don't, don't.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
You sounded like me for a second.
That's a problem.
This broke you.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It is season one of the Irregular of the Magic
Academy, except it's told from,like, the sister's point of view
and her friends yeah and yeah,all of the incest quote-unquote
jokes.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I mean I guess there's no actual incest because
, you know, all of the anime ishyper-sexualized but weirdly
chased as you like to say I havea fun monologue about that, but
I'll let you finish whereyou're going with this first.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
But yeah, she overtly has sexual feelings for him, uh
and uh, oftentimes he doesn'tsee the fashion show that she
puts on.
But she'll like strip down toher underwear to put on a
fashion show to decide whatshe's gonna wear for her brother
um, that's unfortunate yeah,yeah, like I mean I watched it
(55:50):
all because of the sunken costfallacy.
Oh man, the things I've watchedbecause of sunken cost fallacy.
It genuinely made meuncomfortable.
And then, as she gets her highschool friends on board, it's
just a bunch of high schoolgirls fangirling over the
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garyest gary stew that's everstewed so to pivot a bit and
we'll probably do a full episodeon this later, because
crunchyroll had their anime ofthe year awards.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, so solo leveling one anime of the year.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
That's reasonable, right yeah, I would say that
that it was definitely a reallysolid season two.
I I don't foresee good thingsfor season three, but I'll watch
it anyways For the recordthough.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Did it deserve to beat Delicious in Dungeon and
Free Rin?
Probably not, but I can see why, right.
Here's where I have a problem.
Jin Woo won Character of theYear.
Delicious in the Dungeon andFree Rin came out this year.
Will I accept that solo levelingis a better series than free
run?
I can see why people wouldthink that right, jinwoo is also
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a bland character.
That sister's trying to sleepwith him, who has no
characteristics whatsoever.
He is the ultimate self-insert.
Bella from twilight has morepersonality than Jinwoo.
He's just the leastinsufferable Ikasai busted
character, because most of themjust turn into creepy perverts
instantly and he didn't, right,right, so he's bland, but he's
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bland and inoffensive, right,right.
But to say that Fririn is aless interesting character is
just insane to me.
Right Is a less interestingcharacter Is just insane to me.
Right, it's like the characterwhose entire, the entire anime
of Ririn Is them processingemotional attachment, and I'm
like To not give it to acharacter.
To give character to JinwooJust shows these rewards are
(57:45):
rigged.
But like to go into the tropesa bit.
Soul leveling has all of thosetropes, just all of them.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
It.
Just it makes me sad.
It's like I really like theregular Magic Academy.
I think that the mixture ofmagic and technology is a really
cool conceptual idea, and theyhave all sorts of interesting
sports and events designedaround this concept.
His sister just cheats andinvents flying magic, but
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everyone's okay with it becauseeveryone can use it.
Anyways, it's a really grippingconceptual idea.
And then it's just loaded withso much smut and fan service and
and like I say like, uh, themain character, he, he can't do
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anything wrong, everything.
Like he, he's the best engineer, so he like tunes up their,
their casting assist devices, uh, so that everybody that he
works with ends up winning theirthing.
And so then they're like ohyeah, we need to like do
something special for him.
And it's like uh, the specialthing you could do for him is
let him sleep for eight hoursfor the first time in his life
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there is, there is oneconsistent male character in the
honor at the high, at the magicacademy, yeah, and yet I don't
think it passes the bechdel testthat is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
So to kind of pivot off that a bit, so I'm a big fan
of the series kage asamo, loveis war, right.
So that series was an animeromance that skirted along
tropes but, like, mostly usedthem for their advantage.
So here's one thing it did thatis insane, absolutely insane.
Spoiler warning I'm literallygoing to spoiler tag this.
(59:35):
So this has never happened in asingle rom-com I've ever read
in a manga, right, not a singletime.
The male character and thefemale character, who are having
their game of wits to see whocan confess first, right,
actually have sex, and it showsa panel of them going to the bed
together and waking up next toeach other.
(59:58):
The internet lost their mindsbecause the idea that one of
these shounen-style rom-comscould have two characters in
high school get physicallyintimate with each other is so
beyond the concept ofimagination that, like luffy
getting gear five, ichigo beinga quincy, saitama punching a man
(01:00:19):
to jupiter, the attack on taitobeing a time travel looping
story, none of those had thesame shock value of this very
obvious outcome to this story inany other form of media, like
the only logical outcome in anyother form of media of two
people of consistent chemistry,trying to get the other to fall
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for them for a year straight.
Is them actually hooking upbefore graduation?
It's just an insane concept,like could you imagine a Naruto
if Naruto and Hinata actuallyhad like two panels next to each
other and then they woke up?
It blew people's mind in fairytale when people looked at like
the night before the finalbattle and Levi's background and
(01:01:00):
Gajiel's background had thesame wallpaper.
People were like it's the samewallpaper?
Maybe these two characters thathave been dating for a year
hooked up in this show, whichthey did, by the way, spoiler
alert, he actually managed tolike gajal has a kid on the way
in fairy tale.
But like it's just such a wildinversion of the trope is having
(01:01:22):
a character into aru, whoseability is my left hand blew up
a character's clothes in chapterone is completely socially
acceptable in this genre.
Like them, planning elaborateexcuses to strip in front of
their brother is completelysocially the norm in this genre.
But if his brother, if herbrother, were to like that one
professor, that clearly has athing for him, that's like the
(01:01:44):
same age.
If they were to go on an actualdate and have a one-night stand
, people would not be able tocomprehend what just happened.
If this completely eligible,legal, like this eligible man
actually went on a real date, noone would actually be able.
Their brain couldn't comprehendit.
Like if jen woo actually likekissed one of his love interests
(01:02:05):
, they went back to hisapartment.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
The internet collectively would not be able
to handle that, which is so wildto me well, yeah, and then,
like I say, like a lot of thesereally interesting ideas, uh,
just have.
Well, I mean the.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
The biggest offender is the fan service with like the
clothes exploding, like let'sgo dan to dan, that's another
huge offender.
But dan to dan's trying to likeI don't know man, dan to Dan's
trying to like I don't know man,dan to Dan's almost at Chainsaw
Man's level of they're tryingto do something with it.
Like what was it Like?
Right near the start of Dan toDan they end up like losing
(01:02:44):
their outfits to the Loch NessMonster and one of the plot
points is he had his familyjewel stolen by a witch.
But like I don't know ifthey're doing something with it,
like they're not chainsaw manof.
Oh, this is actually like keycharacter development and plot
in about someone's coming of agestory.
I'm not sure I'm on the fence,but it's not like that one
(01:03:04):
bodyguard show, blue, whatever,where.
I'm like yeah, I have to dropthis now.
It hit the line, it crossed itand I'm done, done here.
I don't want the fbi at myhouse.
Anime is dead.
Anime was a mistake.
Like another example, weirdly,of the inverse is like a neon
genesis evangelion.
Any fan service moments werelike framed and scored to be
(01:03:25):
super uncomfortable,deliberately because the show
was let's see how much we cantorture shinji.
So it's like oh yeah, in thatseries a character being half
naked, sleeping next to him, istorture for him, like actual
torture, and then he ends upchoking her to death later.
Because that show is becauseit's like this person's actively
harassing you, belittling youand bullying you and you have no
(01:03:47):
self-esteem so they're justgonna like make your life
miserable because you're lookingat them is like part of like
the depression metaphor theywere going for in that show
where it's like, oh, sex iseverywhere, but no one cares
about you and you're gonna diealone.
Sheesh, oh yeah, neon jess.
(01:04:09):
If evagelion, there's a reasonit's iconic and I don't think
it's because it makes you feelgood things.
But they did stick the landingafter doing several reboot
movies, which is commendable.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, so I mean for this category of good ideas that
were poorly executed.
I put in Kaido the right answer, because it was a great idea
that just they didn't.
They completely failed to stickthe landing.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Oh yeah, and Kenichi comes up where it's like the
concept of Kenichi If you tookthe perversion out of it Would
just be good, and if you tookthe sexism out of it Because I
remember I was working on ashort story Inspired by it a
while back when I'm like themost baffling decision in
Kenichi Is a badass fighter MewTraining, is a badass fighter
Mew training.
To get Kenichi at the level forthem to team up and fight
(01:04:53):
somebody is just like a muchbetter concept than what it
ended up being.
Where they're like no, no, shewants to be a housewife.
I'm like fuck off with that,fuck right off with that.
Yeah, I'm going to use twoF-bombs here.
Where it's like okay, thismakes no narrative sense for
some of these choices you'vemade and why this makes no
(01:05:18):
narrative sense for some ofthese choices you've made and a
lot of these people shouldprompt and did you really have
to have a pervert as long asyou're five people who should be
in jail, like just straight up,directly to jail, do not pass,
go.
So it's like I can't showkanichi to people, but it's such
a clean, good premise well, soI was going with the kind of the
right answer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
How many series have you seen where the ending was so
bad that it gave the rest ofthe anime a bad name, or gave
anime in general a bad name forbeing like animes have bad
writing, type thing?
Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Hmm.
So for a while like so I'm notgonna say naruto, even though it
like stumbled a bit, didn'tquite get there.
It's like tokyo ghouls animeruined itself terribly but its
manga didn't.
(01:06:13):
Hmm, death Note Second seasonsucked, like if you just watched
till L died, it was great,right.
I'm just trying to think ofthings that, let's see, I hated
the skip on Attack on Titan, buta lot of people loved it, so I
could just be wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Could be, could be.
I mean, like I say Kaido, theright answer is like the number
one pick, where it's like theending was so bad that I can see
why someone would say thatanime has bad writing and it
just gives anime in general abad name for how badly it ended
because, like some of the time,a lot of the time, it's like
(01:06:57):
they didn't follow the manga,which feels like cheating right,
right, because the originalending to full metal alchemist
uh was world war ii, germany,which just made no sense.
Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
And then nart uh in iwasha.
Anime is like oh, we're justdone.
And then they came back and didtheir final season later.
Gt's terrible, but no oneblames Dragon Ball for that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
No, people don't blame Dragon Ball for GT being
bad.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I'm trying to really think, because my might have
just like repressed some ofthese like let's take Sidcraft,
for example.
Where they're like blitzingthrough the ending, like okay,
sidcraft just got the wrap up.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Where I'm like, okay, you're fine, but oh, I'm like
it was that chapter where theydecided not to have a mystery.
I think that was the turningchapter where they decided not
to have a mystery.
I think that was the turningpoint where the editors were
like yeah, no, this is done.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Right.
So Fairy Tail was verymid-ended so he just punched
like he has a great ending withZareph and then a terrible
ending with Agnologia thatdidn't really go anywhere or do
anything.
However, fairy Tail didn'tBoruto In 100 Year Quest, where
it's just still going and it'sjust more Fairy Tail.
So it's like you botched theending.
(01:08:21):
So you went to an island withfive bigger, meaner dragons to
actually build this up and endit better and try again.
I'm like, oh, you're just goingto actually try again, because
Claymore that took a while toremember.
Claymore when they're like,actually it's an island that's a
breeding ground and there's aworld.
(01:08:42):
We don't want to Claymore.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, that definitely falls into this category, where
it's a super interestingconceptual idea, but then they
just that was a verydisappointing way for the story
to go, because it just wasn'treally foreshadowed in any way
and it's so bland and genericand just seems like bad writing.
Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Siren's weird because Siren's original premise was
bad and he pivoted to a muchbetter premise.
It was weird because you put inthis code and there's points
and it's a game, because we'retrying to do a dance and
actually this is just betterwith you're jumping between two
timelines of psychic people andthe idea is that you're trying
(01:09:36):
to change the future by jumpingbetween these two fixed points.
So the kids you save end uplike it's like that guy siren's
weird.
Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
If you start it later into the series it's better
because, yeah, the weird partabout the telephone with the
card phone card that at thestart like they just kind of
completely abandoned thatbecause it was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
So like it's weird Cause like we're going to set up
like a game and then they justdidn't.
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I mean, if you were to only see like that first
portion of it, I coulddefinitely see how that would be
an enemy with an interestingconcept that gives anime a bad
name because it's so generic andboring.
Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Future Diary.
On the other hand, like I don'tknow, I think it nailed it
somehow.
Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Future Diary was definitely a worthwhile series,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
The thing is, I know I've read more crap, but I think
I just didn't retain it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
That makes sense.
It's not going to be importantto you because it was crap.
But yeah, tldr, I can see whythe honor at the Magic Academy
got greenlit and I imagine it'sbeen greenlit for a second
season.
They had a little like this iswhat will happen on the second
(01:11:01):
season, but oh man, don'tsupport it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
So just try to think on tropes.
To go back to the originaltopic, so I deeply hate the
accidental pervert trope.
It'll.
Any series that does it.
Where the main protagonisttrips and falls and rips their
clothes off by accident, it'sjust bad.
Anything that does that whereit's fan service disguised as
(01:11:28):
slapstick specifically ruins theshow.
I cannot show it to people.
Disguise is slapstickspecifically ruins a show.
I cannot show it to people.
Fire force, soul eater, highschool dx, deep, what was it?
High school of the dead, likethat is.
It's the worst because it'slike god is sexually harassing
and using the character as anexcuse, but it's always an
(01:11:49):
accident, so it's not theirfault is the worst, worst tropes
.
I think it's the an accident,so it's not their fault is the
worst, Worst trope.
I think it's the worst tropethan an actual pervert, because
then, like you can have acharacter get like beat up for
that, mmm.
Uh.
The second trope I absolutelyhate is when they have the girl
in your three-person squad andshe just sucks the Sakura, the
(01:12:10):
Nobara, the I'm sure odihime,where it's like, oh, we added a
female character to be kidnappedspecifically or to not be
interested in the protagonistbut be interested in the dual
tagging so the protagonist hasto win them over.
It's just bad.
It's a bad thing that keepshappening and every manga would
(01:12:34):
be better if it could pass theBechdel test.
Like Ochako in my Hero justdoesn't get a character arc,
despite having a veryinteresting power.
Honestly, the fact she didn'twalk around with a giant
sledgehammer that she needed towait for and hit people with a
giant sledgehammer such a missedopportunity.
Like Rukia was the dualantagonist of Bleach and didn't
(01:12:57):
like get any.
Although Bleach is weird withhis screen time where they're
like we're not going to give itto any of the characters we
built up and we're just going togive every captain in Aronk.
Bleach got pretty bad for thatby the end.
I'm just like, yeah, we're justgiving screen time to
characters you do not know orcare about at all.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Here's your 26 lettered villains.
Yeah, yeah, that was definitelyso.
I think that goes on my list oftropes is introduced.
Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
As I've said before, I don't like when people
introduce characters past thehalfway point of the series, so
I think that's a trope.
Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I hate too is the midseason 10 new numbered
villains dropped.
That does seem to be like.
You mentioned Tokyo Ghoul.
You said that the manga didn'tscrew itself over it did, but
not as much like.
The anime was unwatchably badthe mid-season character dump I
couldn't get through it in themanga.
It kills a lot of things.
The mid-season character dump Icouldn't get through it.
(01:13:52):
I couldn't get through it, yeah, in the manga.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
It kills a lot of things.
It's part of what ruined Attackon Titan for me too.
Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
They do the time skip and then had a mid-season
character dump.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Yeah, shippuden dodged it.
They wisely only added in asingular.
So after Shippuden started theyadded in characters in the
single digits, like they addedin a singular.
So after Shippuden started theyadded in characters in the
single digits, like they addedin Sai and Tree Guy, but waited
a while.
They staggered their mid-seasoncharacter dumps.
When Shippuden happened theyadded in two characters, a plot
arc and that was it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
It got unreasonable by the Ninja War where they did
their other dump, but theybasically established everybody
yeah, the Ninja War is actuallypretty tough to read too,
because of the character dump, Imean they managed to foreshadow
most of the characters.
Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
They dodged a lot of it because they're like we've
introduced before.
That happened because they hadlike a UN meeting and stuff like
.
All right, at least we knowwho's in the Sand Village.
We know who's in the LightningVillage.
We have a decent idea who's inthe Mist Village from Cont in
the lightning village.
We have a decent idea who's inthe mist village from con.
Like we had a decent idea whomost of the people were by that
point.
Right where fairy tale, afterits time skipper, like let's
(01:15:01):
just add in five guilds and havethe guild tournament, right.
So yeah, the mid-seasoncharacter dump is a trope I
despise.
I also despise the abusive girlwhere they're like oh yeah, she
just punches the protagonistaggressively forever and I'm
like okay, that's not betterbecause you're still not passing
(01:15:24):
the bechdel test.
I give a pass to the psychoperson from future diary,
because the plot revolved aroundher being unstable like that,
right, right.
However, I think we're going tomove into our random topic and
wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Oh no, I don't have a random question for you today.
I thought I might, but if I didI forgot it.
The moment has passed.
Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Casually tragic, I'm not going to say deeply.
So here's the question Wouldthe One Ring corrupt Deadpool?
Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Would the One Ring corrupt Deadpool?
Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I don't think it would I think he'd be fine.
I think he'd corrupt one of theDeadpools.
He's pre-smeagoled.
Here's my theory of how thisgoes.
He would put on the ring notbecause it willed him to do it,
to make the race come, but so hecould fight the race
specifically in a sword fight.
Like he turned it on andflipped off Sauron to fight
(01:16:28):
Sauron specifically.
I think he's corrupting thering.
Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I think the ring isn't going to corrupt him
physically, but I think the ringwould corrupt him mentally.
Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I think he would corrupt the ring.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah Well, I mean, he is a fourth wall breaking
wisecracking mercenary, so it ispossible that with his
metanology he would just be ableto corrupt the ring itself.
Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Interesting.
But with that I think that's itfor our episode this week.
We maybe talked about our topica little bit and I'm going to
leave with this parting wisdomIf you're writing a story, don't
explode clothes.
Don't't do it.
You don't have to.
You could just write an entireseries where everyone stays
(01:17:20):
appropriately clothed the entiretime.
You're allowed to do that.
You have my permission, and theonly time is acceptable is when
it's like raccoon or napa,where it's just a big beefy guy
whose clothes explode Zangief'sstyle.
I'll let you have that one.
If you must explode acharacter's clothing, make it a
character who would feelempowered and comfortable by it
(01:17:45):
and also age up all of yourcharacters to college.
Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Oh yeah, because that's one of the other things
that makes the honor at the highschool very uncomfortable.
Uh, is that at the very at thebeginning of the series they
very clearly state that she's 13?
Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
uh and to finish it up, anime's protagonist of the
year was jinwoo, not kafka.
Jinwoo, not Kafka, not Him, notFreerid, not Mao.
Mao not Momo, not Okaroon.
It was Sungjinwoo, the bestwritten character of the year.
Bye, bye.
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