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July 28, 2025 48 mins

In this eye-opening and deeply healing conversation, I’m joined by Debbie Mirza, bestselling author of The Covert Passive-Aggressive Narcissist, to explore one of the most confusing and devastating relational dynamics: covert narcissism.

We dive into the subtle signs of manipulation, why highly empathetic and spiritual people are often the targets, and how covert narcissists use spiritual language, fake empathy, and even sexuality to undermine your self-trust. Debbie also shares what healing actually looks like after this kind of relationship—how to become the safest place for yourself, rewire your understanding of love, and rebuild a connection with your heart that no one can take from you.

This conversation is for you if you’ve ever felt drained, confused, or like you’re “too sensitive” in a relationship—and especially if you’ve been taught to doubt your intuition in the name of growth.

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Top Episode Quotes:

"Covert narcissists aren’t obvious—but your body always knows the truth."

"Healing is about becoming the safest place possible for your own heart. That’s where the power starts to come back."

"Love will never confuse you, drain you, or make you question your worth. Love brings peace—not chaos."

"Unsolicited advice, spiritual superiority, and weaponised 'wisdom'—those are red flags, not guidance."

"You were not too sensitive. You were being used. And now, you get to come home to yourself."



Covert Narcissism, Narcissistic Abuse Recovery, Trauma Healing, Debbie Mirza, Spiritual Manipulation, Self Trust, Emotional Abuse, Narcissistic Traits, Nervous System Healing, Empath Boundaries, Somatic Healing, Deep Within Podcast


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