Oprah Winfrey’s Weight Loss Special: Ozempic & the Big Debate: A Metaphysical Perspective

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a personal choice.
I always say go within.
However, I feel like I havediscovered food freedom.
I don't obsess about foodanymore, like Oprah was talking
about in the show how, withoutthis medication, she would
obsess about food.
And 10 years ago, 20 years ago,30 years ago yes, that would be

(00:23):
me.
Now the spiritual path has ledme to a place where I do not
obsess about food anymore.
I never would have thought thatwould be possible.
I celebrate food.
I am not ashamed of enjoyingfood.
I'm not ashamed of my bodyanymore and it I get better and

(00:46):
better at it.
It's not 100% there, so I feellike I've found the keys to the
kingdom and I want to shout itfrom the rooftops.
And yet I also understand whysomeone might choose to take the
medication.
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I look forward to meeting you.
So, about today's episode myfriend Timothy Waterman and I
discuss Oprah Winfrey specialthat you can now watch on Hulu,
called shame, blame and theweight loss revolution, which
focuses a lot on the drugs thatare now in the headlines that

(02:13):
people are taking for weightloss.
So it is very, verycontroversial and we want to get
in there and discuss it from ametaphysical point of view.
So get ready to hear some new5D perspectives on the subject.
I left in the 15 minute afterchat Timothy and I had after we

(02:37):
thought we were finished withthe episode because it was so
good.
So enjoy this little behind thescenes bonus content at the end
.
Let's get started, hi, timothy,hi.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Rhonda, so good to be back with you.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
You were having me.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you so much for agreeingto have this impromptu
conversation with me.
I was going to do a soloepisode because it really
interested me.
I watched the Oprah special andI thought, oh, it would be so
much more fun to have thisconversation with somebody that
gets it, that gets themetaphysical aspect of it, and I

(03:18):
immediately thought of you.
So thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes, yes, and I know you watched Oprah special on
shame and blame and the weightloss revolution that just aired
on Monday, really talking aboutthe weight loss drugs that the
country is all talking about.
I think people are coming outof the woodwork now saying that
they're on it now that she didthat, which is interesting to me

(03:46):
.
No judgment, which is reallywhy I wanted to do this show.
No judgment oh gosh, there's somuch judgment around this topic
.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's coming at it from metaphysics.
I just want to make that clear.
Yeah, to me these areperspectives, and I'm never,
when I'm speaking, I'm neverlike speaking because I want
someone to think the way that Ithink I'm simply sharing where
I've landed amidst of a worldfull of perspectives, and I'm

(04:18):
simply sharing perspectives thatjust feel good to my heart and
soul.
And so the main thing thatstood out to me and I've been
thinking about this as I knew Iwas gonna, or feeling into this,
as I knew I was gonna speak toyou is that what feels really
relevant for me to offer againas a perspective, is that all of
these ways that we look atthings are learned, if you ask

(04:41):
me.
And so when we're looking at acertain, when we're looking at
anyone, however they look,however they appear, and we have
, let's say, a snap judgment, orwe say something's wrong quote,
unquote, wrong to me.
That's where I pause and I askmyself the question did I come
into this world with this snapjudgment, with this perspective?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
For me.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I feel the answer is no, because I can tell you I
have a lot of nieces and nephews.
One of them just turned onerecently and I look very
different than most people inhis world.
I'm the only one I know thathas these big stretched ears and
has a mohawk hair cut, and Iwear t-shirts that have skulls
on them.
I'm the only one that lookslike that in my family dynamic,

(05:28):
and my nephew looks at me nodifferent than anyone else, Just
because I feel like my nephewthat's one is seeing me through
a clear lens, like he doesn'thave the stories, he doesn't
have the judgments, he just seesme and he's just, oh, like
you're just, you're a face and Ireally don't have anything to
say about it, but I feel likehe's feeling into more of my

(05:48):
vibration and he's moreconcerned with.
Does this person feel warm andcozy?
Are they smiling?
And when I smile, he smiles.
So I just want to lead off withmy perspective is so much, more
, so much.
I know that these topics havereally heated opinions, and
what's helpful for me isremember that I didn't come in
with any real perspectives ornarratives or judgments.

(06:12):
I just took on things from theworld and what I've been doing
since then is really looking atthe opinions I took on and
asking myself, on an energeticmeasure Does it feel good to
hold this perspective?
Does it feel good to my heartand soul?
And when I doesn't, when itdoesn't, I let go, because
judgments don't feel good to meand the more I identify a

(06:33):
judgment I'm like oh yeah, Ithink I can let this go now If
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I love that, thank you.
Thank you for opening up withthat and I did want to go
through some.
I wrote some, like Oprah, Iwrote some index cards and I do
want to say that I do learn alot from her interviewing and I
agree with you.
I agree with you.
This is a lot of what judgmentsare from humans is a lot of

(07:00):
learned responses, just like thewhole topic of fat shaming and
then judging Now I feel likeit's not only judging people for
how they're not losing weight,now judging people for how
they're losing weight.
I just want to say up front, Iwanted, I would really like to

(07:21):
go through these and get throughas many as we can in this short
time we have together.
But I just would like to saythat me personally, you know,
today I wouldn't choose to go onOsempic or anything like that,
and I know you and I both wehave I have interviewed you
before and if people want tohear your story, they can.

(07:43):
I'll put the link to thatepisode in the show notes about
your journey to loving your bodyand transforming your body.
I have my own story of learninghow to love my body and
transforming my body, actuallyreleasing a lot of weight and
feeling good about that andreally enjoying that.
However, if I was back to myhighest weight right now, having

(08:06):
had no quote, unquote success,who knows?
I might decide to take the drug.
I mean, what is right for oneperson isn't right for another.
It's about what you said, whatfeels good to you.
So let's hit these cards and gothrough some of the points that
they went through on the show.
So I want to start out withsaying that she started out the

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show, oprah Winfrey, on astatistic, which, whatever this
statistic means, because who setsays these people are obese,
okay, but 100 million people inthe United States and one
billion people in the world areliving with obesity.
So I don't know, I just don'tlike that word obese.

(08:55):
I just don't like that word.
But what do you think aboutthat number and the word obese?
For?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
me.
Again, this is my perspectiveI'm careful with labels and
really also being careful ofwhat meaning I'm getting to a
label.
Because, again, since this is ametaphysical conversation, I am
always what I personally feelis that my thoughts and my
narratives, my stories aboutanything are very powerful, and

(09:28):
what I've seen in my own life isthat in my life is that the
stories come first.
The stories, the definitions,the labeling comes first, and
then I get a reflection backfrom my physical reality
experience.
And so if I'm getting a certainreflection and it hits me a
certain way where I'm just likesomething about this reflection,

(09:49):
it doesn't really feel the best.
For me.
I've learned to take personalinventory and say do I have a
story that is creating thisreflection?
Am I labeling something in acertain way that's creating this
reflection?
And I find over and over againthat I do.
And so for me, what I found isjust to become more neutral

(10:12):
rather than applying a labelthat I've heard over and over
again from voices outside of me.
For me, I try to stay curiousand open, so I'll be very candid
with you.
I was fit for most of my life.
I was a gymnast, then I becamea bodybuilder and I was just
like in the fitness for most ofmy life and in the past few
years I just haven't felt thesame passion to exercise.
Like for the first time I'vehad experiences where I've a

(10:34):
little bit of a sense of, I havea little bit of a belly, I have
a little bit of the love handlething going on and even my butt
is a little bit saggy.
And I know all the societalrhetoric about this, like I know
all the societal opinions and Icatch them.
And when I catch them I justlook in the mirror and I pause
and I go.
But what if I can just stayneutral?

(10:56):
What if I can just stay neutraland just see what's in front of
me, not make up a story, not gointo judgment?
I can also ask what mypreference is from this place.
Do I prefer being fit?
Again, I can ask that question,but I don't for me, I don't
like to label it, I like just tosay this is what I'm seeing,

(11:17):
how do I feel about it, what doI want from here?
Which gives me that clarity andthen I can work on.
So, for instance, I'll say howwould I feel if I had a fit body
, again in my own assessment andthe answers will come oh, I'd
feel strong, I'd feel energetic,I'd feel good in my body.
And then I personally ratherthan going into an old story or

(11:41):
judgment or anything like thatI'm just like what, if I could
cultivate those feelings offeeling good in my body now?
And I'm not kidding when I dothat, I find that the next day,
when I look in the mirror, it'slike things are different, like
all of a sudden the reflectionschange and it looks more like my
preference, if that makes sense.

(12:03):
And so I'm just very carefulwith labeling and stories
especially when the storiesdon't feel good, if that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yes, I love what you're saying and I agree and I
feel like that conversation isreally up here.
Yeah, I have been somebody whowould have been labeled obese
right by the medical society,and I have been in.
This is why I'm so passionateabout this and I wanted to have

(12:31):
this conversation Because I havebeen there where I was probably
clinically be diagnosed by themedical profession as obese.
I was binging, all the timebinging, and it wasn't that I

(12:53):
didn't know when I was full thatthe show was talking a lot
about how a lot of people theydon't have the chemistry in
their body that tells them whenthey're full, so they keep
eating.
That wasn't me.
I was full, my body was tellingme when I was full, but I kept

(13:14):
eating.
It was like I knew that what Iwas doing was numbing myself,
like my dad was an alcoholic andhe was numbing himself so he
wouldn't feel his emotions.
I was numbing myself so Iwouldn't have to feel the
uncomfortable emotions and Ikept eating.
I would kept eating.
So I feel like and I just wantto take a moment here, timothy,

(13:36):
and then I'll let you respondbut I just want to take a moment
and say I understand wherethese people are coming from.
These people meaning people whoare turning to the drug because
they're experiencing, eitherthey don't know why, right
Chemically they're not feelingthe fullness, or they just keep

(13:58):
eating, like I was doing, waybeyond the past, of hunger Now.
For so many years, decades Iwasn't able to find a solution.
I was trying to try to readthose anonymous.
I tried coaches, I tried alldifferent things and then
eventually I found Abraham and Istarted listening and listening

(14:19):
.
Things started to get a littlebit better and then I felt the
guidance to write my bookdelicious alignment and how 25
women learn to love andtransform their bodies using
Abraham Hicks and Law ofAttraction.
And then I started using that,those teachings, to help me and
I started to release pounds andI really wanted to understand

(14:42):
what is Abraham talking about.
And then I went beyond Abrahamand I think you also have found
food freedom and loving yourbody, accepting our bodies.
Maybe it doesn't look the wayexactly I want it to my arms or
whatever like for me, my thighsright and still I feel like I'm

(15:03):
loving my body more and more astime goes on, even now, as okay
and great.
Now I've got aging to deal with.
I got the thing about loving mybody, and then I start to get
older or look older, and then,oh, now that's interesting,
another thing, great, anotheropportunity to practice loving

(15:26):
your body.
So where I really want to getto is that this 3d reality is
one thing, and when you're in,when I say 3d reality, yes, the
physical rules of gravity andall these other things, and of
course you want to find thesesolutions here in medicine or

(15:48):
this or that, and so there'snothing wrong with that.
I again, it's a personal choice.
I always say go within.
However, I feel like I havediscovered food freedom.
I don't obsess about foodanymore, like Oprah was talking
about in the show how, withoutthis medication, she would

(16:11):
obsess about food.
And 10 years ago, 20 years ago,30 years ago yes, that would be
me.
Now, the spiritual path has ledme to a place where I do not
obsess about food anymore.
I never would have thought thatwould be possible.
I celebrate food.

(16:32):
I am not ashamed of enjoyingfood.
I'm not ashamed of my bodyanymore, and it I get better and
better at it.
It's not 100% there.
So I feel like I've found thekeys to the kingdom and I want
to shout it from the rooftops.

(16:54):
And yet I also understand whysomeone might choose to take the
medication, and I really justmy messages.
Can we stop judging people?
Can we stop judging theirchoices?
What's right for them?
That's you know what I feel,like I could tear up about it.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, no, yeah, I definitely agree it's.
We really don't know what it'slike to be in anyone else's
shoes and we're also not theirinner voice.
I feel that we all have our ownunique inner voice and to me I
refer to it as my soul, but Iknow other people say inner
being or higher self, and so tome it's just that inner guiding

(17:39):
light that truly knows our wholeexperience and it knows our
whole journey, everything we'vebeen through, and that's the
personal way that I gauge all mychoices and decisions as I feel
into that inner knowing.
And I don't know the answerthat's going to come from anyone
else's inner knowing andbecause I don't know what their

(18:00):
life and their journey has beenlike.
So, yeah, that's what I alwaysadvocate for is, and this is
what I help people do I helppeople listen to that authentic
place within themselves.
Okay, like I know, and a lot oftimes people are sworn by
thoughts and opinions andoutside perspectives and I get
that can feel overwhelming ifthere's a pattern of giving a

(18:22):
lot of weight to outsideperspectives, and I've just
found in my own journey that themore I've listened to my own
inner knowing, inner being, soul, spirit, whenever you want to
call it is that those answersalways just serve me best.
They always just serve me best.
And they do know the wholeequation.
They do know all of my elementsand aspects of my current life

(18:45):
situation, everything I've beenthrough, and so I personally
seek for guidance from that, andso that's what I just encourage
others to do too.
It's okay, I know there's a lotof maybe opinion opinions around
you and sometimes I help peoplejust so they can relax and calm
and really just I've had a lotof practice helping people,
helping people move into theirheart and when they're in their

(19:08):
heart.
What I have observed is thatthe answer is usually very
simple.
It's usually just like a yes orno.
And so, whatever the questionis, is this right for me in the
heart, when people are really inthat simple place like I just
observe for myself and fromothers, they'll just they'll
feel, like feel, but here, no,it's not right for me.

(19:29):
Or, yeah, this is okay, atleast for right now, this is
okay, and so that's why I andthis is what I find myself,
echoing what you've said likewhen I hear, when I hear people
in my life trying to telleveryone else what they should
do, like I have the same thing,I'm like how would you know?
You don't know what it's liketo walk 10 steps in their shoes.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
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you can click on the link in theshow notes.
Now back to the interview.
This was even 30 years ago.
I want so bad to be skinny thatI would probably take the drug.

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Because I want so badly to bethin, because I want to fit in,
I want to look good, I want tohave that experience.
So is that wrong?
I don't know.
Who am I to judge that person?
30 years ago that was adifferent person, and now people

(21:22):
today who have serious healthissues and they're attributing
it to their weight and they'reweighing the pros and cons of
taking the drug.
And today, now, like you said,I would go within and ask my

(21:44):
inner being or just feel into itwhat feels right, not
intellectualize it.
Yeah, I would go by myintuition, yeah, for sure.
So I want to get into some ofthese things.
I want to talk about shame,because Oprah Winfrey started
out the show talking about howshe was shamed for 25 years

(22:08):
because of her body.
And the famous designer Iforget his name right now, but
on the cover of TV Guide was theheadline and a picture of her
at some war show, whatever itsaid bumpy, lumpy and downright
dumpy.
And it was about her and howshe looked best dressed, worst

(22:30):
dressed.
And I just want to say that Iwas ridiculed, made fun of.
So back then, like I remember,I wasn't asked to be in one of
my best friends' weddings as abridesmaid and I overheard my
dad say to my mom is it becauseof her weight?

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And he didn't know any betterat the time.
We're not educated, we're justthinking that having this extra
weight is a negative, it's a badthing.
That stuck with me my wholelife thinking oh yeah, see
something wrong with me.
I'm not pretty and I'm that.
I understand that shame.

(23:12):
I could give so many otherexamples and I think that one of
the good things coming out ofthe show is the conversation
being brought to the forefront.
So fat shaming maybe willbecome less and less as it is.
I think it is now maybe not sopolitically correct to fat shame

(23:37):
people Like.
I remember rewatching some ofthe friends episodes so much fat
shaming going on and all kindsof shaming about people with
different sexual orientations.
They got away with so much then.
Times have changed.
I'm happy about that, that thisis bringing the conversation

(23:58):
about fat shaming.
I don't think you had too muchof that fat shaming going on.
Maybe it was your own self thatwas doing that to yourself.
Like me, I did that to myselftoo, I was in my younger years.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I was on the opposite side of the spectrum, so I
turned to what's referred to asanorexia as a coping mechanism
when I was a teenager.
So I was at the point where Iwas so thin that people were
making remarks are you okay?
What's, what's wrong?
Something seems like there'ssomething wrong with you and
like your skin and bones typething, and so I was getting the

(24:35):
reflections on the other side ofthe spectrum.
So, again, I'm not going topretend what I, that I know what
it's like to be anyone else.
I will say here's the thingI've learned, though, and there
were some things in the episodethat stood out to me and I'm
also going to add this forcontext that I feel, when we're

(24:56):
young and we don't because again, we're having this metaphysical
conversation I know we bothhave studied a lot of really
amazing metaphysical teachers,and so when I look back, then I
just didn't know any better.
I didn't really understand howreality works, and I didn't
understand that, once I accepteda perspective, that it would
then be mirror back to me,because I was choosing to replay

(25:19):
the perspective in my head, andso what's standing out to me is
without knowing any better,without knowing how it works.
What I see in myself, and Ifeel like I have observed in
others, is that we justunknowingly let these
perspectives in, whatever thejudgment is.
And once we let it in, if we dotake it on as our own and we

(25:41):
start to invest in that storybecause of the way reality works
, we will get those reflections.
And it's not to punish us, it'sso that realities by basically
showing us like here's the storyyou're telling about yourself,
now again, at 1517, even 30, Ihad no clue, that's how it works

(26:03):
, I do get it now.
And so what I feel that Iwitness happening is just
without knowing any better,because here's the common theme
I've seen.
And it comes up like, oh, Ididn't even think that about
myself until someone else saidit.
So there we go, outsideperspective being projected onto
someone, and what I continue tosee is just innocently, we let

(26:27):
that perspective in andsomething in us goes oh, maybe
that's true.
And so then we start tellingthat story, that narrative, and
then we get the reflections.
And I know the reflections canfeel intense and they don't feel
good, but also, again, justspeaking from that place of just
really understanding the natureof reality.

(26:47):
All that's really happening isreality is saying here's the
story you're telling.
Do you want to keep tellingthis story?
And Again, for someone whodoesn't know how reality works,
I know it can be confusing.
However, to me it just speaksto how powerful we are.
And Just to Again, just foranyone who is metaphysically

(27:10):
aware, just really, I would justinvite just pay attention to
the Any narratives you've takenin that don't feel good, and
just notice that they don't feelgood.
And do you want to keep tellingthem?
Because, again, I didn't haveit in terms of being overweight,
but I had it in terms of beingskinny.
I had it in terms of my sexualorientation, had a lot of

(27:31):
negative projections and I cantell you I Suffered greatly from
the reflections about sexualorientation because I made them
true for myself, I, I, Iabsorbed the out part, outside
perspective, and I made it truefor me.
And that's when I began tosuffer, that's when I began to
feel shame, because I said, okay, I'm going to take on this

(27:55):
perspective as my own, and thenI felt shame, if that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yes, that makes total sense and again, that's I know.
We said we wanted to do ametaphysical conversation.
It is this that is a high-levelConversation, because we could
go into that whole bit of.
I created this mirrorreflection.
I created this Oprah Winfreyspecial myself and something to
talk about so that I could dothis podcast and we're creating

(28:22):
all of it and but, to your point, we could look at that show and
what feels good about that show, what doesn't feel good, and
and just take what feels goodand leave the rest.
There's some things they saidthat felt really good to me and
there's some things that theysaid that didn't and I'm like,
okay, this whole point of whichI really want to get to Obesity

(28:49):
is a disease, like one of thethings Oprah said is Obesity is
a disease.
The American MedicalAssociation Association declared
that 10 years ago and somehowshe missed that memo.
I like to go Down there intothat nitty gritty statement
about obesity is a disease andexplore a little bit how we feel

(29:10):
about that comment, thatstatement.
Just because the AmericanMedical Association declared
that, yes, that means it, doesthat mean it's true?
How do you feel about themedical profession?
How do I feel about obesity isa disease.
I was in over readers anonymousand pretty much I think they
were saying that it's not yourfault.

(29:32):
Is the comforting thought Aboutthat, it's not your fault, and
that was very comforting for mewhen I was a young, even 19 year
old.
Going to over readers anonymousand hearing that it's not my
fault and Whether it's a diseaseor not, that helped me at that

(29:52):
point.
You see, that helped me then.
So if it's helping you, greatto anyone's listening, if that's
helping you, that's comfortingyou, that feels good, great.
And we're on this journey and wekeep evolving, like now.
If it's a disease, how come IDon't have the disease anymore

(30:14):
and I didn't take the drug.
So they're telling people thatyou need to take the drug and if
you have the disease not youneed to take it, but it will
there's benefits to it Becauseyou're helping your brain work
in a way that it understandswhen you're full and all that
kind of stuff.
However, like for me and whereI am now, today is a different

(30:36):
person and I have found food,freedom and Loving my body.
So I think back then I reallyfeel like I had the disease.
But when you enter a newdimension, right, those, these
rules don't apply when you gointo the fifth dimension, where

(31:00):
and when I say fifth dimension,it's just a level, another level
of spirituality where the rulesof everyday 3d reality, the
logic, the logical rules, theydon't apply anymore.
That's how I make sense of it.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Like it.
No, I've had a lot ofexperience with that too.
Again, just seeing how, basedon the level of consciousness
and that's why I'm sharing theperspectives that I am, because
they just are coming from thisExpanded level of consciousness
it's not better than anythingelse, it's just it's to me.
It's expanded, so it just helpsme see things more clearly and
just see it more.

(31:39):
The energy that's behind all ofthese things, that's and, as
I've seen, the energy that'sbehind a lot of these things
that just it makes so much senseto me.
And yeah, again, I would nevertry to tell anyone what is right
for them.
I would again advocate, ifthey're considering a choice
again to feel in what feels bestto you from that place of your
heart.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
But how do you feel about that?
Maybe you're getting there, butso I hope you.
City is a disease.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, so that right there, that term right there and
to me implies that someone isthese things.
That term implies that a being,when organism, because disease
is not just used for humanbeings, it's used for plants and
other things.
So to me it just that theenergy behind that is there's
something not at ease withinthat being or that person.

(32:29):
And so what stands out to me isthat I would imagine because,
again, based on my own journeyand just the type of Processing
that I help others do that thereis, yeah, there's something
that's not ease within thatperson.
That is, it's an energetic,emotional thing or maybe a
number of things where you knowthe body is Responding to this

(32:51):
lack of ease.
So, for instance, like I Ican't reference a specific study
here, but I actually used towork in holistic wellness for a
number of years and when I wasin that realm I heard a lot of
stories and again, I can'tpinpoint in my memory where
exactly I heard this story, butI would hear things like people

(33:13):
that have heart attacks, likethere's been these studies done,
where a high percentage ofpeople that have heart attacks
are holding on to reallysignificant grudges, like they
have really strong grudges, soholding animosity towards
someone, and that holdinganimosity creates a lack of ease
, which then this word dis-easecomes in, and so the body was

(33:35):
responding to that lack of ease.
And so I, beyond the label, Iwould just be more concerned,
like I would just I Always go towhat is at the heart of the
matter, like how does thisperson feel about themselves?
Because the label can mean anynumber of things, but I would
just want to get to like howdoes this person really feel
about themselves?

(33:56):
What is, what are the stories,the emotions that are keeping
them from feeling at ease?
Because I've just found in myexperience that when my body is
at ease, like things do comeinto balance, things Like they
just start to reorientthemselves and things get
healthier, because mostly theperspective on self changes.

(34:18):
And then I want to be better toself.
I'm always like what's that,what's at the core of the matter
?
Like how is this person feeling?
That's what that word brings upfor me.
Like how do they?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
really, I think that when you're in the rows of it,
in the real mud and sludge ofeveryday cycle of Like for me,
binging or just keep eatingbecause you're not, the full

(34:46):
Ness never comes.
You're 300 pounds, 400 pounds,that those extremes or even for
me, 213 pounds probably was myhighest and I might have gone
higher because I stoppedweighing myself and I'm five
foot three, so it's a lot ofStuff, it's a lot of weight,

(35:07):
it's a lot of concern, let'sface it, about your health.
Maybe your cholesterol is realhigh, your blood pressure, all
these kinds of things.
And then at that time in yourlife, a lot of times there's not
a whole lot of an bandwidth Tosay, be all, non-less, day about
it because you're in, you're sodeep in it and I think it

(35:30):
serves a purpose.
For me, it's served a purposelike a spiritual purpose.
A journey like now I look at itlike actually my journey with
my body has led me to go withineventually and really get on
this beautiful journey ofRaising my consciousness and all
of that.
However, I guess what I'msaying is when someone is in

(35:52):
that, in the thick of it, it'shard for them to apply what we
were saying, or maybe that'sjust a perception.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
So curious, though, because again, I can reflect on
what it was like for me, andthat's all I really have as my
own experience.
I am genuinely curious.
Back when it was, when it feltso thick for you Deep down, did
you still know how you reallyfelt about yourself, did you?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
know, I knew that I had a lot of criticism,
self-hatred, yeah, and all ofthat.
Yeah, I knew that.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, and so that's what I mean about getting to the
heart of the matter is justletting someone be honest with
themselves, like why are theynot at ease?
And so it sounds like youranswers would have been like I
have a lot of criticism, I havea lot of self-hate.
That, to me, would be where Iwould be looking is to like just
help someone get clear.
Okay, like you have thesecriticisms, you have this

(36:47):
self-hate how does it feel?
And just let them, in thatmoment, just sense in and what I
imagine the answer might belike it doesn't feel good, but
just, you know, invite them tohave their own clarity Because,
again, that's why I wanted toask you if you knew how you even
though it was it felt thick andcomplicated.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
It was right there.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, that's why I wanted to ask you and you said I
still knew how I feel aboutmyself, and I'll just point back
to again the anorexia.
Like I, this was 25 years ago,I didn't have all this
metaphysical wisdom, but I cantell you, at that time, when I
chose to use anorexia as acoping mechanism, I knew exactly
why.
And my head I was saying I'mterrified of life and

(37:32):
controlling food is the onlything I know how to control.
So let me control something.
Even though I was 15, havebarely any life education, I
knew that I was doing thisbecause I was terrified of life.
I knew that back then.
So that's all I'm highlightingis like what is what's going on
inside?
Because even if I feel like westill have some clue, like I'm

(37:57):
afraid, I'm scared, I don't feelgood enough, like we know
something.

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Now back to the interview.
I do work with a lot of peoplewith food issues or body issues,

(38:44):
obviously.
I say obviously, because Iwrote the book and a lot of my
work is around that Helpingpeople learn how to love their
bodies and I knew what I wasfeeling.
But I experienced that a lot ofpeople really it's all over the
spectrum.
Maybe they know, maybe they'renot in touch at all with what
they're feeling.
I use the malice method to helpthem get in touch with exactly

(39:10):
what you're saying.
Get in touch with what they'refeeling, because the food is
numbing all of that.
In my opinion.
The food that's what I use itfor and I know that's a lot of
people are using, just like theyuse food, just like they use
alcohol, just any otherself-medication, gambling, sex,

(39:30):
whatever we're using it in, Iwould say most cases to numb,
because we're either terrifiedof life or we have this
self-criticism going on in mycase and a lot of other people's
cases.
So it's just like, on one hand,you're aware of the
self-criticism and, on the otherhand, you just want to numb it
and not feel it.
And that's my experience withworking people.

(39:53):
And so I love the calibrationmethod to help people, to your
point, feel what they're feelingand start to let that energy
move through your body so thatyou can then calibrate yourself
and start experiencing amazingemotions or better, not amazing,

(40:14):
maybe just a little bit better,just maybe a little bit of
relief.
And I tell you, timothy,sometimes I'm working with
someone and they get to just afeeling of calm, that's it.
And they're like I haven't feltcalm since I was a little girl.

(40:39):
I haven't felt this.
I can't even remember.
And yeah, I love that when hmm,it's so interesting when we
begin to look at or feel intowhat are we feeling, even if it

(41:01):
is self-discussed.
Start there and let's calibratethat to just a little bit of
calm and then you can go fromthere and go from there and
start, and maybe you want totake this medication while
you're doing this and maybeyou're like I would never do

(41:23):
that.
That is Satan.
I would never do that.
I don't want to take big farm,I don't want to feed big farmers
, pockets and all that kind ofstuff.
So you could totally be on thatside of the opinion that this
stuff is all really bad forsociety and just lining the

(41:44):
pockets of Oprah Winfrey and bigfarmer.
Or you could be open toallowing people to choose for
themselves, respecting otherpeople's journey.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, again, we don't know.
We don't know the path ofanother and everything's just an
option.
As far as I'm concerned,there's a multitude of
possibilities.
At any given point there may belike two that someone's
considering, and again, onlythey know what it's like to be
them, only they know theirjourney up into this point.

(42:18):
And I've just found in myexperience that my inner being,
or my soul, has a response toeverything, to every question,
and that's what I have learnedto listen to Now.
Earlier in life I didn't knowhow to listen to that, so I
would make choices that youcould have said weren't in my
highest alignment, and thosewere still valid choices and I

(42:41):
learned from those experiences.
I'm just saying that wherever,because the other thing that's
important to me is maybe noteveryone is aware where they're
making their decisions from.
Maybe it's from outsidepressure, maybe it's from fear,
maybe it is from wanting to bein control.
But even if someone's making achoice from those energies and
I'm not judging those energiesor saying they're wrong, but

(43:03):
even if they're making a choicefrom those energies, I would
imagine along their life journeythey'll just learn whether that
choice is really truly theirpreference or not, because
they'll just see how it playsout and they'll see if it's a
fit for them or not.
I have found, personally, whenI really tune into my inner
being, the answers are simpleand those choices do work out

(43:25):
for the best.
And so, again, we never evenknow what place someone is
making a choice from.
Are they trying to please otherpeople?
Are they giving into pressure?
And again, wherever they'remaking it from, it's not right
or wrong.
They're going to learn on theirpath, just as we've all learned
along our path, and I would sayit's all facilitating getting to

(43:46):
better know ourselves, becauseall the times I did things out
of peer pressure, I learned in amatter of time that those
didn't feel very good long term,which helped me get to better
know myself.
And so that's why I feel likelifting any judgment or shaming,
because, again, we really,unless we're really with someone

(44:09):
and willing to open our heartsand listen, we really have no
clue where they're coming from,and I do feel it's really for me
beautiful just to be like Idon't know where they're at, I
don't know what place they'rechoosing from, because I know no
matter what, they're going tolearn on their path and most
likely, whatever they'rechoosing is going to ultimately

(44:30):
lead them to more of their owntruth, so I'm just more of.
However someone learns and goesalong their path to get to
their own truth, let it be whatit is.
Respect the other's journey,because yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Respect their journey .
And I will say one of thethings that was said on the show
that did trigger me a littleand again, this is just my own
thing is that once you starttaking the drug, then you have
to take it for the rest of yourlife, Otherwise all the weight
will come back.

(45:07):
And I thought to myself ooh,why would you be telling people
that?
Because we're getting ourstimulus from outside ourselves,
and then taking that on as anew belief that I okay.
So now this is my new belief,that I need to be on this drug

(45:27):
for the rest of my life, becausethat's what the scientists say,
that's what the data shows.
The data shows that if you getoff the drug, you shall and we
know better you and I operatingout of, not where logic rules.
That's where metaphysics is notbased on logic.
It's based on law of attractionand we create our own reality

(45:50):
and anything's possible, Notlogical.
So if I go on the drug, saytomorrow, and then the doctor
tells me I need to be on it forthe rest of my life, that's not
necessarily true in my mind.
The doctor tells you one thing,but he's dealing with science
and logic.
I'm dealing with metaphysics.

(46:11):
All things are possible and asother people would say, but
you're not in reality, you'renot giving me realistic
solutions.
My daughter's saying that to menow.
She'll ask me for advice andthen I'll give her metaphysical
advice and she'll say I wantsome real, realistic, reality

(46:32):
based advice, mom.
And meanwhile she knows aboutthe law of attraction.
I raised her on it.
But now she's saying so okay,respect her journey, that's fine
.
My advice is to just see it asalready done and then it'll just
rise up to meet you.
That's my advice and she's ohGod, can I have some reality
here?
But however, metaphysicallyspeaking, if a doctor tells me I

(46:57):
need to be on this for the restof my life, do I really?
I can say thank you, yes, Thankyou.
Can I have my prescription andthen just know that anything's
possible?
And the reason I could say thatis because, for sure, I.
If this is a disease, obesity Ihad it, and I'm using past

(47:19):
tense because I was addicted tofood, obsessed with food, and I
no longer am.
So I know it's possible,Anything's possible.
I know it because I'm not thesame person as I was.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I was just going to say for me, I would phrase it as
I know what I prefer.
I've had enough life experienceto know what I prefer, know
which options I prefer, becauseI don't see it as anything's
better than anything else.
It's.
I see, based on my study ofmetaphysics and the information
that I channel, I just see thatthis life is all about
preference.

(48:02):
So, rather than learning what'sbetter than something else,
it's just which.
Do I prefer more?
What is my preference?
And again, that's going to beunique to me as opposed to
anyone else.
So I just know what I preferand again, what someone else
prefers, like if someone is okaywith doing something for a very
long time, like again, who am Ito say that is their path,

(48:25):
their journey?
I just know what I prefer.
And one thing I wanted tomention is that, again, because
we are this is metaphysics we'replaying with is that there's a
statement I love that says thatmany things are true based in
the dimension, based in thedimension of consciousness.
They are in.

(48:45):
So, as we know and again, thisis no judgment, this is not
higher or better, this is justdifferent experiences, as we
know, in the third dimension,it's separation.
Most people that talk about thethird dimension refer to it
separation.
So there are many beliefs inthe third dimension which do
feel true and which people willadhere to because they do feel

(49:07):
true.
That's just that experience ofreality, and it's fine, is what
it is.
It's not lower or less thananything else.
It's just that what thatexperience is.
So, yes, people like you and Ithat had this curiosity that led
us to ask really big questions,and by asking big questions of
existence we summon newinformation.

(49:29):
We're having a differentexperience of consciousness more
and more of the time, wherethings that feel limiting, it
just stands out to us.
We're like whoa.
That feels really limiting tome.
Do I really want to play intothe limitation?
And by the way that you talk,and obviously by the way that I
talk, we're less and lessinterested in things that feel

(49:52):
limiting.
That's just what I would feelthat you and I now prefer.
We're like I don't want tolimit myself.
What are the feel betteroptions?
I'm going to keep searchinguntil I find the feel better
option.
That's where I feel you and Iare at.
What just feels better I don'twant to limit myself is what I
feel, like you and I.
That's the place you and I areat.

(50:12):
It's just where we're at.
That's all of this.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yes, yes, yes, that's very good.
I like that the way you expressthat.
It does feel very limiting tome.
Yeah, that thought of.
But again, gosh, I love whatyou just said, because who's to
say that truth is not correct?
Because in this world, yourworld, we're each creating our

(50:39):
own worlds and our ownexperiences.
So in this world, this iscorrect.
And then when you enter a newworld, so to speak, which is
simply a new level ofconsciousness, really, then this
is correct or a truth, becauseit's a truth for you.

(50:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I feellike we're all on the same
journey, but we're all ondifferent parts of the journey
and one part is not better thanthe other or more truthful than
the other.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, and Earth limitation is allowed, and only
again, each being can decide.
What feels limiting to us mightfeel expansive to someone else,
based on where they're at, thatmight feel very freeing, based
on where they're at At least fornow we don't know.
10 years along their journey,that choice they've been making
for 10 years, something mayshift within them.

(51:36):
They may start to ask newquestions of life and, based on
the information they summon intotheir consciousness, their
awareness, that choice thatthey've been making for 10 years
may all of a sudden feel likethey may just, oh, I feel like
there's more, I feel likethere's more options, and I
don't know what they are, but Ijust want to be available.
And so, yeah, limitation isallowed and the Earth experience

(51:58):
, and again, we just don't knowwhat feels like freedom for you
might not even cross the radarof someone else.
Something that feels limitingto you may feel like a new level
of freedom for someone else.
We don't know.
And again, that's why, to me,it's about just being curious
and listening and just if wereally want to know something,
genuinely asked like how doesthis if it's someone that we

(52:21):
have a relationship with and wewant to get to know them better
and we feel it's okay to ask thequestion.
We feel they're open to thequestion.
I'm just curious what is thisdecision, this choice, this,
what is this about for you?
And really listen, because then, instead of guessing and
assuming and getting caught upin all the opinions in our head

(52:41):
some time, I found a lot oftimes when people, when we
invite them to actually sharewhat's true for them, I found
that I can be just like whoa,it's not what I thought it was
at all.
Like when I really hear someoneelse's truth and then also just
be like okay, this is justtheir path, their journey and
this is what feels good to them.
So bless the journey, right,yeah.

(53:02):
Bless the journey so.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yes, and I feel like there's so much chatter and
judgment about Oprah Winfrey,which I'm not I'm neutral on.
However, another slightlytriggering thought for me.
I could see where this is allgoing right.
This is a movement.
She called it a revolution.
I think what's happening, what'sgoing to happen, what they're

(53:24):
hoping to happen, is that theinsurance companies will start
to pay for this drug.
Cover it, because a lot ofpeople that want to take it
aren't taking it, are not takingit because of the cost.
So I could see in the future,this will be something that you
can qualify for If they screenyou and your health is passes,

(53:46):
whatever tests, whatever theyhave qualifications.
Therefore, everybody's going tobe wanting it, because who
doesn't want to be skinny inthis society?
There were people especiallythe first woman, amy, that Oprah
interviewed, who had lost 160pounds.
She said that people were notonly treating her differently,

(54:10):
they were treating her childrendifferently when she was in the
park or in public.
When she's 160 pounds heavier,people are treating her children
differently as a reflection ofher, and now they're nicer to
her children, and I found that Idon't know little discomforting
, but I understand it, becauseof the fat shaming and the

(54:32):
prejudice our society hasagainst people in bigger bodies.
And so again, you're 20 yearsold, 25 years old, you can get
access to this drug now.
It's affordable because it'sinsured now, and so that's my
own thing, right?

(54:53):
That's my own kind of biasesaround.
Oh, what's going to happen tothese poor individuals are going
to be taking these drugs formaybe the wrong reasons.
Maybe they have 10 pounds tolose in their minds not my mind
and so they're taking the drugs.
So what?

(55:15):
I don't even know, becausethat's my own thing, that's my
own quote.
Unquote fear that I don't wantto be judgmental.
However, that kind of irks me.
Help me, timothy.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
What I perceive is that you're looking at it from
your lens and, again, all thethings that you're aware of your
preferences, and so, based onyour, you're seeing it from your
preference like I'm, hearingthings like I I wouldn't because
, or I don't like that, becauseit's not my preference, because
which is fine, because they areyour preferences based on
everything that you've beenthrough.
Here's the thing, though everysingle being in existence, which

(55:57):
includes this planet, is freeto check out all the options to
explore, and I feel we do getentangled when we look at a
choice of another from our ownlens.
Because we're looking at itfrom our lens, we don't know the
factors that are involved intowhy they're making that choice.
We don't know where that pathwill lead.

(56:18):
We really have no clue.
I just feel confident that ifthey do choose again, I'm just
speaking from my own experiencethere were many times that I
made decisions that weren'tcoming from my heart or my inner
being or my soul, and they werefrom something else outside
pressure, opinions, fear.

(56:38):
I made plenty of choices likethat in my life, and they all
still served me, because theyshowed me what happens when I
don't listen to myself, and I'mnot implying that people that
choose to take any pill,whatever the pill is, I'm not
implying that they're makingthat.
They're not listening tothemselves.
That's not what I'm saying.

(56:59):
Again, there may be people thatare weighing out this option
and they're getting a bang yes,from their inner being.
I don't know, becauseeveryone's circumstances and
situations are unique.
All I'm saying because I feelthe concern and your energy is,
I feel what I'm picking up, as Ifeel that if they do this, it
might lead to that and thatdoesn't feel very good for me.

(57:21):
All I'm saying is that if personA does choose this and it does
lead to that kind of what youthink may happen, I would just
imagine that they'll learn fromthat and they'll just somewhere
along the way, they'll say thisisn't what I thought it was.
I don't like the results thatI'm getting.
So you know what, now that Iknow a little bit about this

(57:44):
path that I've gone down, I'mgoing to say no.
I'm going to say no, and Iwould imagine that would lead,
in one way, for them to get moreclear than themselves and learn
to listen, because some peopledo go.
You know what I hear.
This said a lot.
Some people say oh, I don'treally have access to my

(58:04):
intuition.
But then a lot of people willsay, if I look back, there was
that voice telling me, like,don't do it.
So a lot of people, even thoughthey say they don't have a good
connection to their intuition,they will still say things like
oh, I knew better and it felt,it felt off something about it
felt off, it wasn't 100%, hellyes.

(58:25):
Yeah, so I get your concern.
I just feel confident thateveryone's free.
Everyone's free to choose andif, for some reason, they are
making a choice that maybe,let's say, is not really the
choice that they're getting fromtheir inner being, if that
happens to be the case, whateverit is, I'm not just talking
about like hills, I'm talkingabout anything.

(58:45):
If they're coming from not,let's say, their inner being's
perspective, I still feel thatthey're going to learn along the
way.
They're going to learn aboutthemselves and they're going to
have experience, because, look,now you're speaking from your
experience.
I learned about metaphysics, Ilearned about changing my
thoughts and beliefs, having awhole different experience.
You can only say that becauseyou've gone down these avenues,

(59:08):
these paths, and now you havelife experience.
That, to a lot of people, feelsexciting, because you're
talking about how you stoppedlimiting yourself.
You only know because you wentdown those paths, and so I'm
just offering that every pathoffers something, if that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, thank you.
That really does make sense andit really does feel good.
Thank you for that, becausethat really was bothering me
about it One thing about it, andthere could be a lot of other
things that are bothering peopleabout it.
Obviously, there's a lot ofdifferent opinions about all of
this and charged emotions.

(59:47):
So let's listen to Timothy andjust know that it's all going to
work out.
People have their own innerbeings and they're going to be
okay and just like I think aboutmy kids and I'm always not
always, but there's certainthings worrying about them a
little bit here, a little bitthere and just knowing that's

(01:00:08):
their path and it's all going to, it's all for their highest
good and I don't have to sitthere and worry about their
well-being all the time.
That's not helpful to anybody.
So let me see where oh my goshwe should have a part two on
this.
I still got a bunch of cardshere but.
I think we talked about thethings that I really wanted to

(01:00:31):
talk about, which was mainly notjudging other people's journeys
and allowing other people tomake their own choices following
their own inner being, andreally what you just said about
other young people's journeys ifthey get into this weight loss
drug, that, oh, it's not the endof the world.
They could go off of it.

(01:00:52):
Their guidance might guide themto get off the drug.
Stay on the drug.
It's their journey, not yours.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah, and I just feel that, again, just based on the
way that you, what I know aboutyou and what you've shared, that
I feel that people like you andI are in the place of.
If someone said to us what doyou think I should do, I feel
like someone like you and Iwould be like, actually, what do
you feel is right for you inthis scenario?
And you and I have learnedeffective ways to help someone

(01:01:22):
guide themselves into theirinner being.
And so, to me, it's not aboutwhat do I think about a, what do
I think about B?
All that really matters to meis that someone what feels what
my preference is, what feelsbetter to me is that someone is
learning how to listen to theirmost authentic truth, and so I'm

(01:01:43):
just like what does the deepestpart of you have to say about
this?
And if you're open to it, Iknow techniques that may be able
to help you get into thatclarity more, as I know you do.
So I'm less about if someonesays what do you think about A?
What do you think about B?
I'm just like it doesn't evenmatter.
Everyone's free.
They get to decide forthemselves.
So all that really mypreference is are people

(01:02:05):
listening to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's what matters to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, and that sounds like I'm plugging my book, but
that's what my whole book isabout.
It's like going within, andthen there's 25 stories of women
who learned how to love theirbodies, and it's the stories are
all about how they went withinand found what felt better, what

(01:02:30):
was the right path for them,and it's constantly unfolding
and evolving.
Yeah, and each woman's story isdifferent.
One does keto, one does this,one does intuitive eating, one
does nothing, one is just goingwithin.
So it's not necessarily thatthey found a diet.
They each found their own.

(01:02:51):
Maybe some of them did findtheir own, found weight watchers
.
It's really such a individualjourney.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Thank you again so much for meeting with me,
Timothy, and just tell peoplehow they quickly, how they can
find you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, so I'll send you my Snip Feed link and so
basically it's just one linkthat leads to the menu of all my
things my sessions and services, my podcast Like I do have a
free 30 minute consultationavailable my social it's all
covered in this one menu.
It's called a Snip Feed link,so I'll send that over to you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
They can find you on Facebook Are you on.
Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It's at self love with Tim.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah, okay, that's easy At self.
Love with Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
And I'll put that link in the show notes so people
can find you.
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much,timothy.
I really appreciate thisconversation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well, thank you for having me.
It's been an honor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
You're welcome.
Yeah, it was like an hour and ahalf almost.
Yeah, we could talk more aboutit for sure, but yeah, that is
awesome.
I'm passionate about this topic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, it is multifaceted in the sense that,
yeah, based on which dimensionof consciousness you're looking
at it from, I feel like you'llget a different response.
If you're looking at it fromthe right and wrong, that brings
up a whole set of ideas,whereas to me that's why I was
just advocating freedom.
I don't know, it's whatever'sright for them.

(01:04:32):
That to me is more like thefifth dimensional, and so it's.
And that's why I pointed outtoo, for instance, for your
daughter, if she let's just saythat some of the things that
still work for her, like herthird dimensional, no judgment,
that's not wrong.
That's why, when you'representing fifth perspectives,

(01:04:52):
that's just A and B wavelength,because she's just interested in
this way of exploring life andso it's fine that you offer.
But that's just why I wouldimagine she's just some no, like
I'm over here exploring thisway, so not really meshing.
And it's okay because we allget to explore how we choose to
right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, yes, there was a time when she was open to
those conversations and justlike reading the room, just
knowing you know they're notinterested in that perspective
and not back off.
I don't usually bring it upwith people unless I know

(01:05:33):
they're.
We've had similar conversationsand they're in the same
like-minded kind ofconversations and beliefs.
But yeah, I don't just dumpthat on other people, but she's
very familiar.
She was asking me for adviceabout asking for a raise.
She has her six month reviewand she wants to ask for a raise
.
So I was like, oh goodie, justokay, this is what you do.

(01:05:57):
You just like visualize and yousee it is already done.
You prepave it.
Oh my God, mom, stop, I justwant some realistic advice.
Oh, okay, all right, justGoogle it.
Then I don't know.
It's been so long since I'vebeen in the corporate world that

(01:06:22):
having to ask for a raise Idon't know and I just so.
Then I gave her some tips, butbasically I would have to
research it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, this is just where your mom comes from these
days, the realm your momoperates in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, she doesn't know, because I don't really
talk about it that much anymore,because I've really gone to the
fifth dimension and it's justvery different yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I can tell it's very.
It's just based on the energy Ifelt from when I first watched
it.
But then also I saw that yourpost got a lot of comments
really fast.
What this is to me, just what Isee.
I feel like I see a lot ofpeople are still just caught up
and right and wrong, yeah, andeven judgment, because it's
Oprah's free to live this lifehow she wants to live this life.

(01:07:13):
I mean, we don't know whereOprah's coming from and it seems
like it is polarizing because alot of people are just coming
from that right and wrong.
And that's why I just wanted toadvocate, for we don't know
what's best for anyone else.
We don't know what's best forOprah.
We don't know why she'sexploring the avenues that she
is.
We can say, based on what I see, it's not my preference, but

(01:07:35):
ultimately Oprah's just as freeas everybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, and I was surprised that after that show
so many people came out WhoopieGoldberg and these other people,
this other lady, sonny Houstonon the view, and then these
other people on that thread thatI posted.
Oh, I'm on it and yeah, it'sthe best thing ever and I'm on
it.
So it there's so many peoplethat are on the drug that

(01:08:03):
probably didn't feel comfortablesaying they're on the job, and
now they are.
So again to your point who's tojudge what's right for them or
wrong, or who's to judge at all?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, whatever that path looks like for each person,
because it'll be different foreach person, like 10 steps, 20
steps, a million steps down thepath.
That may change for some people, other people may.
Just some people may be like oh, I don't mind the side effects,
we don't know.
Again, our preferences can be amillion miles away from someone
else's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
So like how can we really say yeah, it's, you're
going for the what feels better,the relief and I even heard
someone share that I don't knowif I would if I don't say the
person's name that they got somecoaching from a high level
channel.
They got conflicting feedbackfrom two different channels,

(01:09:03):
like one channel saying, oh, butyou're still going to have to
deal with this vibrationally,and then another channel saying,
no, you're, this is yourintuition, this felt better to
you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And so no, just do what feels better Period.
And they were soothing thisperson and so it's just again.
You'll get different.
Even within channels, you canget different perspectives.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, I think it was.
Yeah, you asked Oprah and Oprahdid say it's situational, based
on it's based on who'ssummoning and what moment
they're summoning from, and Ican see how.
I can see how and from myperspective, both can be true,
because one can be like, if itfeels better for now, just okay,

(01:09:57):
it feels better for now, who'sto say what's down the road?
So I can see that.
But then also they did say inthe special that if people come
off of this, let's things justgo back to the way they were.
And so to me that does.
To me, the only reason it'sworking is because people
believe that it will, like theyhave a really dominant belief
that this will work.
But they're like you said,they're giving power to

(01:10:18):
something outside themselves.
The story is, if I put thisthing in, I'll get the result I
want, and because that's theirbelief, that's what they get.
But along with that belief is,if I don't have this, then
things go back to the way theywere.
And so that's to me why I wassaying, if we're talking about
dis-ease, to me it's a lack ofease.

(01:10:39):
So I personally, based on whatI've seen and lived, would want
to ask okay, what's going on theinside, because I would imagine
that everyone has a story and astory about why they don't feel
good, which can cause all kindsof reactions in the body.
But then I was also reflectingon it, like even in, because

(01:11:02):
Abraham would say thateverything starts with the
thoughts.
And so when you look at some ofthese situations and I was
reflecting on my own lifeexperience a lot of these
children, even in the specialsthe first girl her mother said I
have struggled with weight myentire life.
So as a kid we are veryimpressionable.
We pick up on the thoughts thatour parents and what our

(01:11:24):
parents are saying.
I took on a lot of guilt andshame about things from less
than five based on what myparents were saying and they
created, because I was pickingup on the thoughts and the
vibrations and part of me waslike a big part of this, why the
daughters having theseexperiences could be the
thoughts that she picked up fromher mother and she started to-.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I had the same thought, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Yeah, like she started telling the same,
whether it's I'm overweight or Ican't stop eating, and so it is
a high level.
Look at it.
But it's like to me.
I'm like we don't know thatit's happening.
As kids, again, we're innocent,but we are picking up these
stories and we are picking upfrom our parents and taking on
those energies.
To me it is freeing if we canget to a point where we can see

(01:12:07):
that this is the story I tell.
So this is the reflection I get, but also I feel like to get
there, your defenses have to bedone.
You have to be willing to seethat you're the creator.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, yeah.
And to your point that it worksbecause you believe it works,
that's another aspect to it andso great, that's wonderful, like
this works because I believe itworks.
So who cares if it works?
And it's bringing you reliefand more enjoyment of life and

(01:12:43):
all those things.
And I also remember in Alenon.
I would go to Alenon at somepoint in my younger years as a
daughter of an alcoholic fatherand just.
I would even go to some AAmeetings too and they would say
that it's a progressive disease.

(01:13:03):
So if you stop drinking, let'ssay, and then the moment you
pick it up, it's going to beworse than before because it's
progressive.
And then overeaters anonymouswould say the same thing in
relation to food that once yougo back to eating, all those

(01:13:26):
things are they were like reallythis is a long time ago no
white flour, no sugar, no thisand that.
And once you go back to thosethings, it's progressive and
it's going to be worse thanbefore.
And I believe that becausethat's what they told me.
But on my spiritual journey Idid not find that to be true.

(01:13:50):
I found food freedom and,through my spirituality and
going within, if I have sugar orwhite flour, now I don't go on
a food binge, but I choose notto have too much of that stuff

(01:14:11):
anymore because it doesn't agreewith me, doesn't feel good.
But that's another belief thatallergies, that's a whole
another.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, a lot of these things are collective narratives
and, just again, high level.
The only reason we'll get acertain result is if we buy into
that collective narrative.
If we start telling the samenarrative, we'll get a
reflection of that, because thisis what comes through my
channel.
My guides have been verystraightforward.
They're like it's your story,it's the story you're telling,

(01:14:46):
end of story.
They're like you're thenarrator.
So if you say this is a diseaseand this is the way it's going
to go and this is how it's goingto unfold, reality is going
okay.
Whatever you say boss.
Whatever you say boss.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Here's the evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, yeah, here's the evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yes, yeah.
So I have that belief thatcertain foods don't agree with
me and therefore, whatever yousay, boss.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah again, I do also feel that the body is very
complex and it has a lot goingon.
So I do feel there is thatintelligence that just in one
moment it may not be right,because who knows, energetically
, what the body is doing?
So the body's feedback may belike not right now, but two days
later.
If I asked the body inner beingtwo days later, it might be

(01:15:45):
like yeah, now it's okay.
To me it's just, it's alwayslike in the moment, because I've
examined that like I was glutenfree for years and now there's
times where I'm presented withsomething that feels really good
that I think isn't a tastereally good and it has like GMO
gluten in it on the label, but Ijust I'm like, I just say I'm

(01:16:07):
more powerful, I'm going toenjoy this and I eat it, and I
just don't tell a story.
I'm like I wanted that, so Ihad it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that and really there'snothing wrong either with having
a belief, for, in my case,having a belief that certain
foods I choose to say away fromthem because I have this
negative reaction in my body.
It doesn't feel good Totally.

(01:16:37):
And nothing wrong with that.
It's really about beliefs.
And like I remember studyingAbraham on this topic to write
the book.
And it's what's the path ofleast resistance?
The path of least resistancewith that belief is tuned for me
not to have those foods.
Yeah, totally.
That's the path of least, or doI want to try and change those

(01:17:00):
beliefs?
That doesn't feel good, thatdoesn't feel like the easiest
path.
Yeah, just working with that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, that's like.
What just came to me is, if youput your hand in a hot stove,
you would just say that doesn'twork out well for me, not a fan.
So if you eat food and, likeyou, get a result you don't like
, it's just that doesn't not afan of that option.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Yeah, I really don't like those cramps in my stomach.
I'm not really a fan of that.
Yeah, not a fan.
Yeah, exactly, all right, I'mgoing to try and get this out
tomorrow.
Okay, do my best.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
No worries, but yeah, I know it is, I know it's
charged, and I guess the reasonI felt excited is that I do feel
excited about bringing thesemetaphysical perspectives to
these subjects and I know maynot everyone may get it.
However, you said you and Ihave found a lot of freedom and
playing in these perspectives,and so I was just like let's see

(01:18:07):
what happens if I just bringthese more neutral we're all
free perspectives to thesubjects.
So, having said that, yeah, Ihope that's my, my, my intention
is that people will just, youknow, relax into the oh okay,
yeah, we all have freedom, let'schill out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of judgment.
You hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, let's just chill out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
But for the people that this message resonates with
, they'll be attracted to it and, yeah, hopefully it'll help
some people.
Yeah, not have so much shamearound any choice that they make
and that can help them withtheir body.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Okay, I'll tag you when it's all ready.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Sounds good.
Thank you again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
You're welcome.
Thank you so much, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
No problem, all right , talk to you soon, okay, bye,
bye.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
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