November 16, 2022 • 36 mins
Berly and LA recap and discuss the season one Supernatural episode, Bloody Mary. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Summary: In the "Denim Wrapped Nightmares" podcast, hosts Berly and LA discuss the Supernatural episode "Bloody Mary." They recap the previous episode, "Phantom Traveler," and delve into the urban legend of Bloody Mary. The episode follows Sam and Dean as they investigate the death of Steven Shoemaker, who was killed by a vengeful spirit after his daughter Lily summoned Bloody Mary. The spirit, seeking justice, targets those responsible for deaths. Sam and Dean confront the spirit, ultimately destroying the mirror it was trapped in. They also reflect on personal experiences with urban legends and discuss the historical context of Bloody Mary, linking it to Mary Tudor.
Resources:
- https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Mary
- https://www.britannica.com/story/was-bloody-mary-a-real-person
- https://www.history.com/news/queen-mary-i-bloody-mary-reformation
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Berly (00:02):
Ella, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode,
LA (00:11):
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we
adore about the Winchesters andtheir adventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series,
LA (00:21):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello, LA, hey Burley,
Unknown (00:29):
so on our last episode, we discussed phantom traveler
from
Berly (00:36):
season, human the mold traveler. Mold the black mold
traveler. So on Transnationalflight. 2485 A man was possessed
by the spirit of the Phantomtraveler, who turned out to be a
disaster demon, just likewanting to, like destroy and
(00:58):
cause chaos and destruction andall of that chaos demons. I
LA (01:02):
feel like there's another show I watch where they call
there was a chaos demon, or amovie or something.
Berly (01:07):
I keep thinking, MCU, chaos magic, yeah,
LA (01:10):
maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
Unknown (01:12):
Maybe that's it, yeah.
I
LA (01:13):
think that is with maybe the black no Scarlet Witch,
Berly (01:18):
yeah, the Scarlet Witch and the book. I think all that
kind of, maybe that's what we'rethinking of, yeah. But anyway,
so they caused the plane tocrash. There were seven
survivors, and then the demonwas like, I have to finish the
job. Survivors, no survivors.
And so Sam and Dean stepped in,saved the day, they exercised
the spirit, banished it back tohell, and they save an entire
(01:39):
plane full of people, heroes.
Yes, they took the battle to theskies. Is what this little
summary says, which wasadorable, lots of cute,
brotherly interactions in thelast episode. Special effects
were womp, womp, but thecinematography was really cool.
(02:02):
I love the way they uselighting, and a lot of this I do
too. I have to say, yes, that'sbeen really consistent
throughout the shows, the goodcinematography, and we found out
at the end of the episode thattheir dad has been getting their
messages and their calls. He'sjust not responding because he's
updated his outgoing voicemailto be Dean's number. You know,
(02:25):
real nice dad, yeah? Real greatghosting your own kids, yeah? So
he's basically like, hey, ifthis is an emergency call, Dean,
what the fuck is going
Unknown (02:39):
God, I'm glad we don't film this Okay,
Berly (02:42):
so that was the last episode. Now let's get into the
gore and what we adore as weexplore this week's episode,
Bloody Mary.
LA (02:58):
I'm first gonna start off with what I wrote down in my my
first note for this episode was,I don't mess with that shit,
because I remember being youngerand the whole bloody mary story
and blah, blah, blah. I nevereven attempted to try it because
(03:19):
that shit scared me.
Berly (03:20):
I think I did, I think,
Unknown (03:22):
I don't think
Berly (03:32):
I did it like on a weekend basis, but I'm pretty
sure I did it more than once,and I don't even remember the
full legend, like, I know youwent in to the bathroom, and you
turned off the lights, and yousaid the name three times. But I
don't remember exactly what wassupposed to happen afterwards. I
don't either. I think she wasjust supposed to come after you
in some way, yeah, appear in themirror or something like that.
But
LA (03:51):
yeah, not not this guy, not me. And I remember, I told you
when we were watching about mycousin the one time where I was
she scared the shit out of me. IShe we were I was at her house,
and she had a window that facedthe front yard and like, so she
could see everything. And I wentout there to get something out
of my car, and it was dark, andI started walking back up to the
(04:12):
house, and I saw her in thewindow watching me. Because I
always like to tell people,like, watch me so I don't get
kidnapped. Nobody snatches mebecause I'm so special
Berly (04:20):
that everybody wants to snatch. Hey, you. And I've had
the conversation. I can recallat least three or four times
where I somebody tried to snatchme when I was younger. It
happened. Well, I wasn't that
LA (04:29):
young. This was like it was in my 20s.
Berly (04:33):
It still happens. True, in all seriousness, that still
happens. But yeah, so
LA (04:37):
I'm walking back up, and I see her in the window, and she's
just kind of standing there. AndI get closer and she starts
banging on the windows with bothhands, saying, behind you,
behind you. And she lookspanicked as hell, which scares
the shit out of me. I don't eventhink I looked behind me. I was
so scared I ran. I just ran atthe front door, and then she
(04:57):
opens the door, just crackingup. And I was like. Fucking
bitch, like you just scared theshit out of me. I was so
terrified, but then I had togive it to her. I was like, that
was pretty good, right? After Icalmed down, I was like, All
right, I'll give it to you.
That's a pretty good break. Itwas good. But yeah, so all these
kind of little things thathappen when you're younger, I
mean, but still, Bloody Mary,they
Berly (05:19):
stick with you. They stick with you, right? Oh, yeah.
You know, I remember when I wasyounger, hearing a story about a
guy hiding under your car andslicing your Achilles tendon, or
you went to go get under yourbed, or under your bed. I still
will look under my car to thisday, not all the time, but just
on occasion. I'll remember thatstory, and I'll look under my
(05:44):
car before I'm close enough thatsomebody could reach out from
underneath it and get me or likesomebody is in your back, those
urban legends, they stick withyou. Or if
LA (05:53):
I'm at Sadie's house and I'm in the bathroom, I always have
to look behind the Okay, so makesure I do that in there. I
Berly (05:59):
do that too, because in college, our friend Nick That
was his favorite thing to do wasgo hide in the bathtub with the
curtain closed. No wait untilyou were on the toilet peeing,
and then would throw open thecurtain and scare Oh my
LA (06:12):
I mean, at least you're on the toilet so if you piss
yourself. I mean, that littleasshole, I would have been hell
no. Oh my God, so
Berly (06:19):
many things, but yeah. So back to back to supernatural,
yes,
LA (06:23):
yeah. So this episode, it was called Bloody Mary, right?
Yes. Okay. So it starts out inToledo, Ohio, and there are
these three little girls playingtruth or dare, as we all did
when we were younger,
Berly (06:37):
sometimes when we were older. Too, true. Yeah.
LA (06:40):
The little girl, Lily, I guess it's her house, and she is
dared to say Bloody Mary threetimes in front of the mirror. So
she reluctantly goes in. Shedoesn't clearly, she clearly
doesn't want to do it right,smart, but dumb for doing it the
other girls. So she goes in anddoes it, and the other girls
start paying on the door. That'swhen you told her Yeah, so
(07:01):
that's yeah. And then her fatherpokes out from upstairs, and his
name is Steven Shoemaker, and hetells them not get off. Be
quiet. And he returns hisbedroom, and a figure appears in
every single mirror he passes,which they have way too many
mirrors in their house.
Berly (07:18):
There were a lot of reflective surfaces. Some of
them were mirrors, some of themwere picture frames. I
LA (07:22):
think, I don't think, oh, one of them was, like, the
window, yeah,
Berly (07:26):
but it was pretty cool.
It was, it was really creepy,
LA (07:29):
yeah. Oh, and is she like?
She didn't look like a woman.
She was short, she I thought itwas a little girl, but I did. I
mean, well,
Berly (07:35):
we find out later that she was a teenager, right? So I
we were
LA (07:39):
confused, because when you do Bloody Mary, it's like, they
come after you, right? You know?
But then this one's like,clearly following her dad. At
Berly (07:47):
first, we just thought it's because it's like, Oh,
Daddy, Shoemaker.
LA (07:52):
She has good taste.
Berly (07:54):
There's an age limit.
Those girls are weird.
LA (07:56):
I was like, You're too young. We're going after Dad.
We're going after the dadinstead. So his older daughter,
who's a teenager, probably, she
Berly (08:03):
showed up after curfew, right?
LA (08:05):
And her little sister's giving her shit about it and
whatnot. So she runs away fromthe little girls and goes
upstairs, but she sees a pool ofblood outside of the bathroom,
which, you know, not normal, no?
And she opens the door andscreams, and basically we
learned that her dad died inthere, and that his eyes like
liquefied into blood. And just
Berly (08:28):
they said there was, like, a lot of blood in his
brain and all that, yeah, thatthere's a lot of blood, yeah,
just overall, a lot of blood,
LA (08:35):
yes. So then we, we catch up with Sam and Dean, and they are
driving, Sam's having a lot ofnightmares about what happened
with Jessica. He keeps seeingher on the ceiling and burning,
and he's not talking about it.
Yeah? I mean, Dean's trying tokind of get him to talk about
it, yeah? Like, and he's right.
(08:56):
He needs to talk about it. ButSam's not not doing it. He's not
budget holding
Berly (08:59):
on to that. Yeah, torment all themselves, tortured soul,
that, Sam,
LA (09:04):
yeah, and I feel like that kind of continues on through the
next for a while. Yes. I mean, Idon't know. I'm assuming, just
because it's being brought upnow and all that. So him and
Dean hear about the shoemaker,Shoemaker, shoemakers
Berly (09:17):
death. Yeah, they're like, looking at, they're
looking at the circumstancesnewspaper, they're reading the
obituary newspaper again, yep.
And they got this, the obituarycircled, yeah. And they're like,
this is weird.
LA (09:28):
Yeah, they go to the morgue and bribe this little bitchy
attendant. He was,
Berly (09:33):
he was sassy. I liked him. Yes, he knows his worth,
LA (09:37):
and he and basically they're like, Yeah, you know, pulling
their thing that they always do,like, we're here. What were
they? Medical students? Yeah,
Berly (09:44):
we're medical students.
We're writing a paper, yeah. Andit's so funny because as they
walk in, it showed Dean, look atthe first desk where there's,
like, the name tent thing thatsays the doctor's name, and it
was just like a cluster ofconsonants. So they get to the
attendance. And Dean's like,we're here for Dr claw Foxtrot
trying to, like, play it off. Soobviously the attendant knew
(10:07):
right off the bat. Yeah,bullshit, yeah.
LA (10:13):
So basically, obviously, he doesn't buy their shit. And so
it's Sam that pulls out somedollar bills, some bills right
to bribe them. He's like, okay,takes him back to the body.
Berly (10:24):
Well, what I thought was weird about that is that Sam
pulls out his wallet, oh, right,bribes him. And then dean is
like, he I earned that. Sam'slike, in a poker game, and then
they walk off. And I'm like, Whydid Sam have your money? Then
Dean, right? Your littlebrother,
LA (10:38):
you're letting your little brother,
Berly (10:40):
having your little brother for you.
LA (10:43):
Well, let them. I guess Dean's bad with money.
Berly (10:45):
Maybe I wouldn't. I would. I would believe it, yeah,
he'd still treat me, right?
LA (10:51):
I'm sure he would. Oh, okay, so they go back to the body, and
he like, he lists the sharp orwhatever, yeah, lets them see
it, and no eyes. It's reallycreepy, right? And so what was
it that they they had to bribethem again for?
Unknown (11:08):
Was it the records or the police report? I think
police
LA (11:11):
report. Okay, yeah, so again they asked for that, and again,
the guy's not buying it so well,he
Berly (11:18):
already knows he can get money out of the right? So he's
just like, Oh, I'm not supposedto. He's always, I'm not
supposed to show you that. SoSam's like, Oh, all right.
LA (11:28):
So then they go to the shoemaker house, after which I
thought was reallyinappropriate, after the
funeral, it's the wake, andthese two show up in their
grungy clothes. Just theneverybody's in black. I'm like,
Could you wait a day? Could youhave waited till the next
Berly (11:42):
day? Guys, nope, we got to show up at the wake,
LA (11:45):
and so they go and speak to the daughters. And the older
daughter, Donna, and has somefriends there, Jill and Charlie.
And, I mean, I forget which one,but one of them had the right
reaction of being like, oh,
Berly (11:58):
who are you guys? Yeah, she was obviously very happy
with the eye candy. Now, on the
LA (12:03):
same the other friend, not so much. She was super defensive
and right, overly protective,yeah, and I'm sorry, but I don't
know of any girl that would belike. What the are you two doing
here?
Berly (12:15):
Right? If you saw them like, I'm sorry if two guys who
look like that come up and aretalking to me, You better shut
your mouth. La, oh,
LA (12:22):
I know,
Berly (12:24):
I know you let them talk.
LA (12:26):
I would, I would be trying to be like, I mean, they weren't
even put my hand up, like, doyou see me too,
Berly (12:32):
right? They weren't even asking that invasive of
questions. Yeah. And the friendwas just like, she doesn't want
to talk about she was a bitmuch, yeah, little, little much,
little
LA (12:39):
much as they're sitting there talking, they're just
trying to get a grasp on whathappened to Mr. Shoemaker and
the little girl Lily, who didthe Bloody Mary, you know,
reveals that, right? She's,she's the one that killed her
dad, because she did the BloodyMary, and that's, that's what
killed him, which, she didn'tseem that remorseful about it.
She just, she seemed scared.
Matter of fact, they just toldthem, like, I like, I killed my
(13:00):
dad.
Berly (13:03):
I thought she was scared, and I had the impression, or it
gave me the impression, thatshe's told other people and
people aren't believing her, andso she's more like, trying to be
like, listen to me, rather thanbeing like,
Unknown (13:16):
yeah, you know, I get it.
Berly (13:18):
I get it. That was my impression. Okay, I get that. I
see that I might be giving hertoo much credit.
LA (13:25):
Nah. So after they talk to the girls, they go in the house
and they look in the bathroom,and it's Charlie, the aggressive
friend, comes in. Y'all doing inhere, what are you doing? And
just kind of like interrogatesthem. And finally she, I guess
she kind of acquiesces a littlebit.
Berly (13:43):
Sam. They, like, pointed out, like, we think there's some
foul play, right? It's notnormal, right? And I think she
asked if your cops, and theywere like, kind of, yeah. And
then they gave her their number.
And I was like, Oh, I don'tknow, maybe bitchy is the way to
LA (13:55):
go, right? Good for her. She got Sam gave her she got Sam's
number, which they should makesome cards, you know, little
business cards, the familybusiness right? Anyway, later
that night, Charlie is in hercar on the phone with Jill, the
one who had the right reactionto the boys, right? And she we
knew what you
Berly (14:14):
were thinking, Jill,
Unknown (14:15):
oh yeah, for real,
Berly (14:16):
you didn't have to say it out loud. We knew. So
LA (14:19):
Charlie is obviously worried. And Jill's like, oh my
god, you're so stupid. I'm gonnago do it right now. That's not
what happened. And as an idiotgoes in and does the Bloody Mary
three times in the mirror. Andsure enough, shortly after she
gets off the phone with Charlie,she's like, I'll talk to you
tomorrow, you silly bitch. Yeah,it is. And so sure enough, she's
(14:42):
about to brush her teeth, andher reflection starts doing
something different than whatshe is. That was creepy. And
what does she tell her, youkilled that boy? Yeah, her eyes
start bleeding, and she dies.
Charlie calls Sam and Dean andtells them what happened to
Jill. She's freaked out. Yeah.
And they look at the mirror thatwas in her bathroom where she
(15:03):
died, like Mr. Shoemaker, andthey take it down, and they're
looking at it on the back, ithas that, like, paper, yeah, it
doesn't scratch the wall, Iguess. And they tear that off,
and there's a name that lookslike it's been, like, almost
like, drawn in blood orsomething, yeah. Or paint, like
finger painted, yeah, yeah. Andit says Gary brymon. So they go
(15:27):
to the library to research, andthey discover that there was a
young boy killed in a hit andrun, and the description of the
car matched Jill's car,according to Charlie. Charlie,
yeah. Okay, Charlie. And so thenthey go to the shoemaker house
to look at that window, or, I'msorry, that mirror, and tear off
the back of that mirror, and itsays Linda Shoemaker. And they
(15:52):
know that that's the name ofSteven's wife, the teenage
daughters there. They kind ofquestion her, and she's like,
what do you what do you want?
Like, my mom died of anoverdose. She took too many
pills on accident. It was anaccident, but as we know, it's I
don't think it was an accident.
Unknown (16:07):
Wasn't necessarily an accident.
LA (16:10):
So Dean starts researching all the deaths of these women
called Mary who died in front ofa mirror, and finds that in
Indiana there was a MaryWorthington. So they go to
Indiana and speak to the policethere who worked on that case.
Mary was 19 when someone brokeinto her apartment, murdered her
and cut out her eyes with aknife
Berly (16:32):
right like, ooh, he seemed to be like a retired cop
who just, you know, you watchthat one, you watch the true
crime documentaries, and youhear the cops that'll be talking
about the case that happenedyears ago that they never saw
one. They can't can't let go.
They never stopped thinkingabout it, right? And it seemed
like that kind of situation. Iagree. Yeah. I wish they had got
a little bit more into the cop,right? I liked the actor, and I
(16:55):
feel like they could. That'sgonna be mom. One criticism of
this. They could have done alittle bit more with that scene.
Yeah.
LA (17:02):
I agree. Scene. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Excuse me,
I had to take a drink. Um, sobefore she died, before this,
Mary died in front of this largemirror, she tried to spell out
what they assume was herkiller's name, because it was
her, it was there was blood onher finger that she was trying
to right, and it was T, R, E,that was all that was so, I
(17:25):
guess she died before shefinished. There finished it
obviously, which
Berly (17:28):
is a callback to Sherlock Holmes, A Study in Scarlet.
Sherlock Holmes,
LA (17:36):
remind me. I've seen that one twice, but remind me so
Berly (17:38):
they find a murder victim who had been scratching, that's
right, the name, into the floor,and they didn't finish it. So I
thought that was a nice littleSherlock Holmes callback. I
don't know if it was intentionalor not, but that's what I
thought. Yeah,
LA (17:54):
I could see it. But so there was a surgeon named Trevor
Sampson who was a suspect.
Berly (18:01):
Oh, really,
LA (18:04):
but nothing was ever proven for her murder that he was
involved with. It remainedunsolved. It turned out that
they were having an affair,right? Yeah, he
Berly (18:14):
found out there was some shady shit going on, yeah, in
the background. And he was like,and the picture of the guy, he
looked like a straight upvillain. They showed a picture
of him. He had on, like thesesunglasses, like the bad guy
from matrix, and just this bigsmile, like a Tim Curry esque
smile, like you just tell he wasa bad guy. Yeah,
LA (18:35):
the detective had said in her last journal entry, Mary's
last journal entry was that shewas gonna tell the wife,
Berly (18:42):
yeah, she was referring to him as she was he said. She
never said the name of the guy,but she was referring to whoever
it was as T, like it was justthe letter T, and
LA (18:51):
I thought you were telling me to timeout when
Berly (18:53):
I'm, like, doing a t over my head, which, I don't know why
I'm doing that, why I feel theneed to do a big T over my head.
But yeah, she
LA (19:01):
said, T Correct, yeah. So that was she was gonna tell the
wife, so motive, Mm, hmm. Andalthough she was cremated, which
I say this all the time becauseI watched a lot of crime shows
or whatever, but I think ifsomebody is murdered or there's
a mysterious circumstance inthat death, it should be, which,
I mean, I know we can do thisfor religious purposes or
whatever, but I wish theyweren't allowed to cremate them
(19:25):
so that later on, if they neededto, they could resume and do
further, you know,investigations on the body or
whatnot. Yeah, because therehave been so many that I've
watched where it's like, if theyhad the body to go back to
nowadays, with what we have,they probably could solve it,
but the body's been cremated, sothey can't. So I always hate
(19:46):
that, yeah, or like, when it'slike, this, the spouse was the
suspicious one, and they'relike, yeah, let's get this
bloody cremated ASAP. You know,yeah,
Berly (19:54):
they shouldn't be allowed to make those calls, yeah?
Anyway, they're like, I. Okay,she was cremated. She was
burned. So how is she stilllingering right?
LA (20:04):
Why is her spirit still around? So they think that they
noodle it over, and then theydecide they do noodle it over.
They decide that her spirit istrapped in the mirror. And so
they go and find, try to findthis mirror that was at her
house, the one she fingerpainted on, yeah, trying to
write out Trevor's name. So theyand they discover that the
(20:26):
whoever in the family had itsold it to this antique shop,
yeah, so they go to the shopafter hours and Toledo. Toledo,
so the boys are in the shop, butthen it flashes back to Donna
and Charlie at school in thebathroom. Charlie is trying to
explain, like she, she's like, Iknow it sounds crazy, but this,
you know, it is weird how yourdad died and then Jill, you
(20:49):
know, same thing happened. It'sa little weird. Like, could you
not try and see that? Perhapswhat I'm saying seems crazy, but
there is a connection. Donna'snot having it, no. So Donna and
her sassiness is like, just No,no. That's not what happened.
She goes
Berly (21:08):
like, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, blood Mary, Mary. Like,
right away, fast,
LA (21:11):
yeah, right away. In the mirror that in the bathroom just
says it like, no big deal. Fuckyou. Jill leaves, yeah,
Berly (21:17):
which we should come back that Sam and Dean have kind of
figured out that the ghost ofMary is not necessarily going
after whoever, quote, unquoteher, yeah, but she goes after
whoever is guilty of havingpotentially caused the death of
somebody else, right? Like she'sseeking vengeance on people,
(21:38):
yeah? So it's not necessarilythat she's gonna go after Donna,
even though Donna's the one whosummoned her right then, we find
out shortly after, Charlie's introuble.
LA (21:48):
Yeah, well, and I don't know if everybody remembers, but they
had those old lipstick cases,like the one lipstick you put in
and you it buttons, but youunbutton it, it's got the little
tiny mirror so you can put yourlipstick on. And that's so she's
in her classroom, pulls that outand sees Bloody Mary behind her.
So she's like, oh shit, thanks alot,
Berly (22:08):
Donna fucking bitch.
LA (22:10):
Like, you didn't kill anybody. But I think, I
Berly (22:13):
think I killed somebody, and now I'm fucked. Thanks a
lot.
LA (22:16):
As I said when we were watching it, when she started to
say that in the mirror, I wouldhave slapped you, right? Or,
like, like, been, like, slappedmy hand on your mouth so you
couldn't finish something. Like,she
Berly (22:26):
said it quickly, but it wasn't that quick. You could,
she could, you could have kickeda knee and, yeah, made some shit
happen. Like,
LA (22:31):
shut up, don't you fucking do that. I gotta stop cussing.
Okay,
Berly (22:37):
you're fine. We're an explicit show. It's fine. So
LA (22:40):
anyway, the boys, she calls the boys. The boys are here, the
boys, and they come to she's ina hotel room and she's in their
Berly (22:50):
hotel room. Yeah, she got to go. She like, calls them and
tells them what happened. Theycome and get her and take her to
their hotel room. Like, good foryou. It's another wise move,
Charlie, really smart, Charlie.
And she's, well, good. They'recovering up the pictures,
reflective everything. Rememberyou and I were joking, like,
Hey, I think I think that shirtmight be a little reflective.
(23:10):
You
LA (23:12):
were like, Sam, like, I yeah, I might. I think I see a
reflection on your button, onyour shirt.
Berly (23:17):
Can we get rid of that?
Take
LA (23:18):
that off, right? Oh,
Berly (23:21):
Dean, your pants. They seem to be reflecting something.
Can we get rid of those?
LA (23:27):
Please save me. But good for her, because she's like, curled
up like her head's covering herface in her knees, like, until
they cover everything as well.
Like, why am I doing it? Likeanybody's watching me? Because
it's great.
Berly (23:40):
It's great, great for for our storytelling effect. So
LA (23:44):
she finally looks up and, like you said, she was, you
know, those buttons needed togo, but whatever,
Berly (23:51):
no clothing was removed in this episode. Yeah,
unfortunately. But anyway, Samand Dean, like, basically, are,
like, You're safe here. Stayhere. We're gonna go find this
mirror. Well, no, no. So
LA (24:02):
they're they're concerned, because they're like, Well,
what's up? Like,
Unknown (24:05):
oh yeah, I
LA (24:06):
forgot she told Yeah. Why is she showing up for you? If you
know, we know what happened withthe other two but like, what did
you do? And so she tells themabout this boyfriend she had,
that they were super committedto each other, and she started
to feel differently. And therewas one night that she was
leaving and he threatened tokill himself if she left, and
she kind of callously said, goahead and do it. And left,
Berly (24:28):
right, and he, which was harsh as fuck you, right, you
could have just left, yeah,
LA (24:33):
not necessary, but, you know, tension, yeah, could
Berly (24:36):
have left call 911, yeah, there's more information out
there these days than there wereback then. True, I could see
somebody doing something like
LA (24:43):
that right back then. Yeah, so she feels responsible for his
death, which I think isbullshit. And Mary lay off
because that's not her fuckingfault. But
Berly (24:51):
then that's on hints. Sam explains that apparently, with
vengeful spirits, there is notreally much of a gray area.
You're either guilty or you'renot. Yeah. Well. No, okay, I'm
not saying I agree with thespirits. La, I'm just saying,
what Sam said? Okay, you have aproblem with it. Take it up with
Mr. Winchester.
LA (25:10):
Okay, daddy, daddy Winchester, Where's
Berly (25:13):
daddy Winchester? What's he coming back?
LA (25:16):
Um, so the boys decide that they need to go like that's when
they discover they discover theyneed to go find this mirror,
summon her and destroy themirror, because they think that
will destroy that will she can'tbe trapped in there anymore, so
she can move on and go wherevershe needs to go, right?
Berly (25:32):
And Sam is the one who's like, I'm gonna summon her,
yeah?
LA (25:36):
Well, and as we know, he feels guilty for is it Jessica?
Jessica? Jessica, hisgirlfriend's death, which,
again, not his fault, right? Andthen dean is
Berly (25:45):
like, how could that possibly be considered your
fault? You didn't know that wasgoing to happen. You had no
idea, yeah, and Sam's not reallytalking, so it's kind of like,
Hmm, what's going on there?
LA (25:58):
Yeah, well. And it's like, I wonder if part of it, it's like
it happened in his bedroom withhis mom, and then it happened in
his bedroom with his girlfriendtoo. So it's like, well, we
Berly (26:07):
find out, but we find out later that Sam's nightmares that
he's been having about Jessicadying, that he actually had
those days before, right? Shedied. And so that's why he feels
guilty,
LA (26:17):
well, but also like dreams are dreams. You can't control
them, you know, sometimes youcan. It's not like he had a
premonition. I
Berly (26:24):
mean, he did, but I hope some of my dreams have been
premonitions,
LA (26:28):
not mine. I haven't had any good dreams lately. Okay, so we,
we're back at the antique shopthat has the mirror from Mary
and the boys are, you know,looking around. It's a nice
little antique store. They wrotegoing around trying to find the
mirror. They have a picture ofwhat the mirror looked like from
the detective. So they'researching for it. They find it,
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and Dean decides to summon Mary.
She appears, well, actually,it's before she appears that the
lights
Berly (26:58):
come on. Right? Yeah.
They like said the names. Andthen right after Sam said it was
really dramatic, he did a bunchof dramatic pauses between,
like, Bloody Mary, yeah, BloodyMary, it was, it was really
slow. And then like, cut toblack, and when it came back, it
was Sam and Dean, and you sawheadlights, yeah? And Dean was
(27:18):
like, I'm gonna go take care ofthis.
LA (27:21):
Yeah, so Dean goes out there, it's cops, and he's
trying. He's like, that's,that's my dad's place. And I
think he says some, like, it wasan Asian, an Asian, I didn't
write it down, but yeah. Andhe's like, I was adopted. Like,
he's just trying to play it, andthese guys aren't buying it. So
he assaults the police officers.
He punches him out as one does,yeah, you know, not gonna go to
(27:43):
jail, though. And
Berly (27:46):
in the meantime, Sam is being taken over by Mary in the
mirror. He's like, got the bloodcoming from his reflections,
telling him you did it. Youkilled Jessica, all his
LA (27:57):
fault. Yeah. Sam is basically, like, on his way
dying, that hero Dean comes in,like, like, the knight in
shining armor, and smashes themirror. And so, yeah,
Berly (28:10):
Sam smashed a couple of mirrors in the process as well.
Well, it was like, you and Iboth were like, That's not a bad
luck,
LA (28:17):
right? But it wasn't. It's like he was trying to get to
that mirror with her in it, butit's like he couldn't after she
got hold of him. Yeah, yes,because he had the crowbar in
his hand and he dropped, hedropped it, but Dean, Dean got
him, got her. And so they'reboth on the ground. He, you
know, pulled Sam away, and Marycomes out of the frame. Straight
(28:38):
up. Ring reference for sure, it
Berly (28:40):
was totally I love all these horror movie references
that are happening in most ofthe episodes, some of them I
have to think about. But thiswas what no thoughts. I knew
immediately. Yeah, oh, Heroncrawling out. It was totally
like when she crawls out of theTV. Absolutely.
LA (28:57):
It was very cool. Yeah, so she's coming after them, they
stand up, or no, she's up. AndDean grabs one of the mirrors
that are that's next to him, andshows her her own reflection.
And she's very Dorian Gray, yes,yeah. And so the her reflection
starts accusing her of killingall these people, and it starts
(29:20):
to cause her to self destroy.
And she basically, like, melts,yeah,
Unknown (29:24):
to the ground was very, uh,
Berly (29:28):
she like, kind of went blood red and kind of moldy, and
just like, fell to the ground,yeah.
LA (29:34):
Like, nothing, yeah. And so Dean smashes that mirror just to
make sure, yeah, she, she ain'tcoming back, right? So that's
all said and done. And the boysgo back to Charlie's house, and
Sam tells her not to feel guiltyanymore over that her
boyfriend's death, like shecouldn't have prevented it. It
wasn't on her. And then deanbasically tells Sam, you know,
(29:56):
that's good advice, yeah, youknow, like, Maybe
Unknown (29:58):
you should take it yourself. Bro, such a good But
brother, yeah, when they'releaving,
LA (30:03):
Dean asks Sam yet again.
He's like, you're gonna need totell me what the secret was. But
Sam's not budging. He says, No,he's keeping this one. And then
he sees Jessica standing on thestreet corner in this long white
nightgown, just watching him ashe drives by, as they drive by,
and then she disappears.
Berly (30:22):
Yeah, but she's gorgeous.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I liked it. Ithought it was a pretty good it
was a good one. Yeah, I
LA (30:28):
like that one too.
Berly (30:30):
So as we dig into the lure, we've talked, we've
explored the gore and what weadore, which there wasn't a lot
of Gore in this one either. Imean, well, there was the the
big blood pool from the dad andbloody eyes. Bloody eyes. This
was a terrible it wasn't verygraphic, yeah, it wasn't, it
wasn't bad, yeah. For the lore,we have had our third Vengeful
(30:52):
Spirit on our supernaturaljourney here. The first was our
woman in white in the pilotepisode. The second was the
Drowned boy and dead in thewater. And so this is the third,
which is Bloody Mary. And ofcourse, it's another angry
woman, of course, of course,vengeful spirits. You know,
we're more likely to be female,which we already talked about
(31:14):
the Bloody Mary urban legend alittle bit. So whenever I was
looking into is bloody Mary,real in any way, supposedly, the
urban legend actually stems froma prominent historical figure,
Oh, Mary Tudor. Oh. She was thedaughter of King Henry, the
(31:34):
eighth of England, and his firstwife, the Spanish Princess
Catherine of Aragon. Am I sayingthat? Right? It's Catherine the
Great, right? Catherine ofAragon. No,
Unknown (31:45):
it's not Catherine the Great, no, Catherine the
Berly (31:47):
Great was Queen.
Unknown (31:51):
Oh, okay, right.
Berly (31:54):
Anyway, Mary's early life was chaotic as her father's
frequent remarriages threatenedboth her claim to the throne and
her very survival. Henry'spursuit of a male heir led to
his split with the RomanCatholic Church. I think a lot
of us know this story, thebeheadings and all this other
stuff going on with Henry theeighth. So Mary's faith put her
(32:18):
at odds with the ProtestantChurch of England. That clash
came to a head when Mary becamequeen in 1553 and her efforts to
restore Roman Catholicism toEngland would earn her the
nickname Bloody Mary. Hundredsof Protestants were burned at
the stake as heretics, andhundreds more were executed in
(32:43):
the wake of a failed Protestantrebellion by Sir Thomas Wyatt,
the younger, suffering from aseries of illnesses, Mary died
in 1558 at the age of 42 havingruled for just five years. Oh,
wow, she kind of knew thisstuff, but I wouldn't be able to
(33:03):
talk about this off the top ofmy head, yeah, no, yeah. Mary's
most lasting contribution tohistory would be her
unfortunate, if somewhatjustified nickname of Bloody
Mary, according to some sources,the vodka and tomato juice
concoction, often touted as ahangover cure derives its name
from her as well, but that'sbeen disputed. Of even mer here,
(33:28):
origin is the childhood ghoststory that suggests that
repeating the words Bloody Maryinto a mirror will cause some
foul apparition to appear.
However, there is nothing tosuggest that Mary Tudor's deeds
or misfortunes would haveinspired an eternal malice
towards sleepover participants.
So she was called Bloody Mary.
That part's true. But as towhether or not she is the
(33:49):
inspiration for the urban legendis like, not clear, yeah, but I
do think it's quite thecoincidence that it's the exact
same name.
Unknown (33:58):
Oh yeah,
Berly (33:59):
there is this one guy, John Fox, who is held pretty
responsible for Mary'sreputation, because he wrote the
acts and monuments better knownas Fox's Book of Martyrs. And it
was a detailed account of eachand every martyr who died for
his or her faith under theCatholic church that was
(34:21):
published in 1563, and wentthrough four editions in Fox's
lifetime alone, testament to itspopularity. So what does this
have to do with Mary? Althoughthe work covered the early
Christian martyrs, the medievalinquisition and the suppressed
loyal history, I think I'msaying that, right? Oh, here's
(34:41):
heresy, heresy, lollard heresy.
It was the persecutions underMary that got and still receive
the most attention. And this isprobably due to the fact that
out of the 57 illustrations. Inthe book, 30 of them depicted
the executions under Mary'sreign, damn. They definitely
(35:05):
depicted her as Bloody Mary.
Yeah, to say the least, I'd
LA (35:12):
have to ask my uncle, if he knows about this book, do it?
You know, he's just like, he'sbig into Catholicism, so, oh,
okay,
Berly (35:23):
like big time. As far as is bloody mary real? The answer
is yes, like there was a realBloody Mary, but as to whether
or not it actually ties into theurban legend Bloody Mary that
was featured in this week'sepisode, that's not really
proven to be true, but
Unknown (35:43):
that's what I found in the lore. Very nice.
LA (35:47):
I feel like I've read something about that, but just
all this background, I likethat. You got it, yeah, bringing
it up.
Berly (35:57):
So to close out our episode, we have another quote,
which I'll tell you the quotefrom the episode. But then I
actually went to Cheers to adifferent quote from something
else that this quote made methink of. Okay, so in the
episode, it's after Sam wakes upfrom a nightmare, and Dean is
(36:18):
like, So what'd you dream about?
And Sam goes lollipops and candycanes. And it made me think of a
quote from get Him to the
Unknown (36:26):
Greek. Oh, god, yeah.
Berly (36:29):
So I want to cheers to this quote, your brain is full
of lollipops, rainbows andcheese,
LA (36:37):
cheers. I like it.
Berly (36:40):
Thank you for listening to denim wrapped
LA (36:41):
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Berly (36:49):
This was fun,
Unknown (36:50):
jerk. It always is, bitch. You.
Ella, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode,
LA (00:11):
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we
adore about the Winchesters andtheir adventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series,
LA (00:21):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello, LA, hey Burley,
Unknown (00:29):
so on our last episode, we discussed phantom traveler
from
Berly (00:36):
season, human the mold traveler. Mold the black mold
traveler. So on Transnationalflight. 2485 A man was possessed
by the spirit of the Phantomtraveler, who turned out to be a
disaster demon, just likewanting to, like destroy and
(00:58):
cause chaos and destruction andall of that chaos demons. I
LA (01:02):
feel like there's another show I watch where they call
there was a chaos demon, or amovie or something.
Berly (01:07):
I keep thinking, MCU, chaos magic, yeah,
LA (01:10):
maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
Unknown (01:12):
Maybe that's it, yeah.
I
LA (01:13):
think that is with maybe the black no Scarlet Witch,
Berly (01:18):
yeah, the Scarlet Witch and the book. I think all that
kind of, maybe that's what we'rethinking of, yeah. But anyway,
so they caused the plane tocrash. There were seven
survivors, and then the demonwas like, I have to finish the
job. Survivors, no survivors.
And so Sam and Dean stepped in,saved the day, they exercised
the spirit, banished it back tohell, and they save an entire
(01:39):
plane full of people, heroes.
Yes, they took the battle to theskies. Is what this little
summary says, which wasadorable, lots of cute,
brotherly interactions in thelast episode. Special effects
were womp, womp, but thecinematography was really cool.
(02:02):
I love the way they uselighting, and a lot of this I do
too. I have to say, yes, that'sbeen really consistent
throughout the shows, the goodcinematography, and we found out
at the end of the episode thattheir dad has been getting their
messages and their calls. He'sjust not responding because he's
updated his outgoing voicemailto be Dean's number. You know,
(02:25):
real nice dad, yeah? Real greatghosting your own kids, yeah? So
he's basically like, hey, ifthis is an emergency call, Dean,
what the fuck is going
Unknown (02:39):
God, I'm glad we don't film this Okay,
Berly (02:42):
so that was the last episode. Now let's get into the
gore and what we adore as weexplore this week's episode,
Bloody Mary.
LA (02:58):
I'm first gonna start off with what I wrote down in my my
first note for this episode was,I don't mess with that shit,
because I remember being youngerand the whole bloody mary story
and blah, blah, blah. I nevereven attempted to try it because
(03:19):
that shit scared me.
Berly (03:20):
I think I did, I think,
Unknown (03:22):
I don't think
Berly (03:32):
I did it like on a weekend basis, but I'm pretty
sure I did it more than once,and I don't even remember the
full legend, like, I know youwent in to the bathroom, and you
turned off the lights, and yousaid the name three times. But I
don't remember exactly what wassupposed to happen afterwards. I
don't either. I think she wasjust supposed to come after you
in some way, yeah, appear in themirror or something like that.
But
LA (03:51):
yeah, not not this guy, not me. And I remember, I told you
when we were watching about mycousin the one time where I was
she scared the shit out of me. IShe we were I was at her house,
and she had a window that facedthe front yard and like, so she
could see everything. And I wentout there to get something out
of my car, and it was dark, andI started walking back up to the
(04:12):
house, and I saw her in thewindow watching me. Because I
always like to tell people,like, watch me so I don't get
kidnapped. Nobody snatches mebecause I'm so special
Berly (04:20):
that everybody wants to snatch. Hey, you. And I've had
the conversation. I can recallat least three or four times
where I somebody tried to snatchme when I was younger. It
happened. Well, I wasn't that
LA (04:29):
young. This was like it was in my 20s.
Berly (04:33):
It still happens. True, in all seriousness, that still
happens. But yeah, so
LA (04:37):
I'm walking back up, and I see her in the window, and she's
just kind of standing there. AndI get closer and she starts
banging on the windows with bothhands, saying, behind you,
behind you. And she lookspanicked as hell, which scares
the shit out of me. I don't eventhink I looked behind me. I was
so scared I ran. I just ran atthe front door, and then she
(04:57):
opens the door, just crackingup. And I was like. Fucking
bitch, like you just scared theshit out of me. I was so
terrified, but then I had togive it to her. I was like, that
was pretty good, right? After Icalmed down, I was like, All
right, I'll give it to you.
That's a pretty good break. Itwas good. But yeah, so all these
kind of little things thathappen when you're younger, I
mean, but still, Bloody Mary,they
Berly (05:19):
stick with you. They stick with you, right? Oh, yeah.
You know, I remember when I wasyounger, hearing a story about a
guy hiding under your car andslicing your Achilles tendon, or
you went to go get under yourbed, or under your bed. I still
will look under my car to thisday, not all the time, but just
on occasion. I'll remember thatstory, and I'll look under my
(05:44):
car before I'm close enough thatsomebody could reach out from
underneath it and get me or likesomebody is in your back, those
urban legends, they stick withyou. Or if
LA (05:53):
I'm at Sadie's house and I'm in the bathroom, I always have
to look behind the Okay, so makesure I do that in there. I
Berly (05:59):
do that too, because in college, our friend Nick That
was his favorite thing to do wasgo hide in the bathtub with the
curtain closed. No wait untilyou were on the toilet peeing,
and then would throw open thecurtain and scare Oh my
LA (06:12):
I mean, at least you're on the toilet so if you piss
yourself. I mean, that littleasshole, I would have been hell
no. Oh my God, so
Berly (06:19):
many things, but yeah. So back to back to supernatural,
yes,
LA (06:23):
yeah. So this episode, it was called Bloody Mary, right?
Yes. Okay. So it starts out inToledo, Ohio, and there are
these three little girls playingtruth or dare, as we all did
when we were younger,
Berly (06:37):
sometimes when we were older. Too, true. Yeah.
LA (06:40):
The little girl, Lily, I guess it's her house, and she is
dared to say Bloody Mary threetimes in front of the mirror. So
she reluctantly goes in. Shedoesn't clearly, she clearly
doesn't want to do it right,smart, but dumb for doing it the
other girls. So she goes in anddoes it, and the other girls
start paying on the door. That'swhen you told her Yeah, so
(07:01):
that's yeah. And then her fatherpokes out from upstairs, and his
name is Steven Shoemaker, and hetells them not get off. Be
quiet. And he returns hisbedroom, and a figure appears in
every single mirror he passes,which they have way too many
mirrors in their house.
Berly (07:18):
There were a lot of reflective surfaces. Some of
them were mirrors, some of themwere picture frames. I
LA (07:22):
think, I don't think, oh, one of them was, like, the
window, yeah,
Berly (07:26):
but it was pretty cool.
It was, it was really creepy,
LA (07:29):
yeah. Oh, and is she like?
She didn't look like a woman.
She was short, she I thought itwas a little girl, but I did. I
mean, well,
Berly (07:35):
we find out later that she was a teenager, right? So I
we were
LA (07:39):
confused, because when you do Bloody Mary, it's like, they
come after you, right? You know?
But then this one's like,clearly following her dad. At
Berly (07:47):
first, we just thought it's because it's like, Oh,
Daddy, Shoemaker.
LA (07:52):
She has good taste.
Berly (07:54):
There's an age limit.
Those girls are weird.
LA (07:56):
I was like, You're too young. We're going after Dad.
We're going after the dadinstead. So his older daughter,
who's a teenager, probably, she
Berly (08:03):
showed up after curfew, right?
LA (08:05):
And her little sister's giving her shit about it and
whatnot. So she runs away fromthe little girls and goes
upstairs, but she sees a pool ofblood outside of the bathroom,
which, you know, not normal, no?
And she opens the door andscreams, and basically we
learned that her dad died inthere, and that his eyes like
liquefied into blood. And just
Berly (08:28):
they said there was, like, a lot of blood in his
brain and all that, yeah, thatthere's a lot of blood, yeah,
just overall, a lot of blood,
LA (08:35):
yes. So then we, we catch up with Sam and Dean, and they are
driving, Sam's having a lot ofnightmares about what happened
with Jessica. He keeps seeingher on the ceiling and burning,
and he's not talking about it.
Yeah? I mean, Dean's trying tokind of get him to talk about
it, yeah? Like, and he's right.
(08:56):
He needs to talk about it. ButSam's not not doing it. He's not
budget holding
Berly (08:59):
on to that. Yeah, torment all themselves, tortured soul,
that, Sam,
LA (09:04):
yeah, and I feel like that kind of continues on through the
next for a while. Yes. I mean, Idon't know. I'm assuming, just
because it's being brought upnow and all that. So him and
Dean hear about the shoemaker,Shoemaker, shoemakers
Berly (09:17):
death. Yeah, they're like, looking at, they're
looking at the circumstancesnewspaper, they're reading the
obituary newspaper again, yep.
And they got this, the obituarycircled, yeah. And they're like,
this is weird.
LA (09:28):
Yeah, they go to the morgue and bribe this little bitchy
attendant. He was,
Berly (09:33):
he was sassy. I liked him. Yes, he knows his worth,
LA (09:37):
and he and basically they're like, Yeah, you know, pulling
their thing that they always do,like, we're here. What were
they? Medical students? Yeah,
Berly (09:44):
we're medical students.
We're writing a paper, yeah. Andit's so funny because as they
walk in, it showed Dean, look atthe first desk where there's,
like, the name tent thing thatsays the doctor's name, and it
was just like a cluster ofconsonants. So they get to the
attendance. And Dean's like,we're here for Dr claw Foxtrot
trying to, like, play it off. Soobviously the attendant knew
(10:07):
right off the bat. Yeah,bullshit, yeah.
LA (10:13):
So basically, obviously, he doesn't buy their shit. And so
it's Sam that pulls out somedollar bills, some bills right
to bribe them. He's like, okay,takes him back to the body.
Berly (10:24):
Well, what I thought was weird about that is that Sam
pulls out his wallet, oh, right,bribes him. And then dean is
like, he I earned that. Sam'slike, in a poker game, and then
they walk off. And I'm like, Whydid Sam have your money? Then
Dean, right? Your littlebrother,
LA (10:38):
you're letting your little brother,
Berly (10:40):
having your little brother for you.
LA (10:43):
Well, let them. I guess Dean's bad with money.
Berly (10:45):
Maybe I wouldn't. I would. I would believe it, yeah,
he'd still treat me, right?
LA (10:51):
I'm sure he would. Oh, okay, so they go back to the body, and
he like, he lists the sharp orwhatever, yeah, lets them see
it, and no eyes. It's reallycreepy, right? And so what was
it that they they had to bribethem again for?
Unknown (11:08):
Was it the records or the police report? I think
police
LA (11:11):
report. Okay, yeah, so again they asked for that, and again,
the guy's not buying it so well,he
Berly (11:18):
already knows he can get money out of the right? So he's
just like, Oh, I'm not supposedto. He's always, I'm not
supposed to show you that. SoSam's like, Oh, all right.
LA (11:28):
So then they go to the shoemaker house, after which I
thought was reallyinappropriate, after the
funeral, it's the wake, andthese two show up in their
grungy clothes. Just theneverybody's in black. I'm like,
Could you wait a day? Could youhave waited till the next
Berly (11:42):
day? Guys, nope, we got to show up at the wake,
LA (11:45):
and so they go and speak to the daughters. And the older
daughter, Donna, and has somefriends there, Jill and Charlie.
And, I mean, I forget which one,but one of them had the right
reaction of being like, oh,
Berly (11:58):
who are you guys? Yeah, she was obviously very happy
with the eye candy. Now, on the
LA (12:03):
same the other friend, not so much. She was super defensive
and right, overly protective,yeah, and I'm sorry, but I don't
know of any girl that would belike. What the are you two doing
here?
Berly (12:15):
Right? If you saw them like, I'm sorry if two guys who
look like that come up and aretalking to me, You better shut
your mouth. La, oh,
LA (12:22):
I know,
Berly (12:24):
I know you let them talk.
LA (12:26):
I would, I would be trying to be like, I mean, they weren't
even put my hand up, like, doyou see me too,
Berly (12:32):
right? They weren't even asking that invasive of
questions. Yeah. And the friendwas just like, she doesn't want
to talk about she was a bitmuch, yeah, little, little much,
little
LA (12:39):
much as they're sitting there talking, they're just
trying to get a grasp on whathappened to Mr. Shoemaker and
the little girl Lily, who didthe Bloody Mary, you know,
reveals that, right? She's,she's the one that killed her
dad, because she did the BloodyMary, and that's, that's what
killed him, which, she didn'tseem that remorseful about it.
She just, she seemed scared.
Matter of fact, they just toldthem, like, I like, I killed my
(13:00):
dad.
Berly (13:03):
I thought she was scared, and I had the impression, or it
gave me the impression, thatshe's told other people and
people aren't believing her, andso she's more like, trying to be
like, listen to me, rather thanbeing like,
Unknown (13:16):
yeah, you know, I get it.
Berly (13:18):
I get it. That was my impression. Okay, I get that. I
see that I might be giving hertoo much credit.
LA (13:25):
Nah. So after they talk to the girls, they go in the house
and they look in the bathroom,and it's Charlie, the aggressive
friend, comes in. Y'all doing inhere, what are you doing? And
just kind of like interrogatesthem. And finally she, I guess
she kind of acquiesces a littlebit.
Berly (13:43):
Sam. They, like, pointed out, like, we think there's some
foul play, right? It's notnormal, right? And I think she
asked if your cops, and theywere like, kind of, yeah. And
then they gave her their number.
And I was like, Oh, I don'tknow, maybe bitchy is the way to
LA (13:55):
go, right? Good for her. She got Sam gave her she got Sam's
number, which they should makesome cards, you know, little
business cards, the familybusiness right? Anyway, later
that night, Charlie is in hercar on the phone with Jill, the
one who had the right reactionto the boys, right? And she we
knew what you
Berly (14:14):
were thinking, Jill,
Unknown (14:15):
oh yeah, for real,
Berly (14:16):
you didn't have to say it out loud. We knew. So
LA (14:19):
Charlie is obviously worried. And Jill's like, oh my
god, you're so stupid. I'm gonnago do it right now. That's not
what happened. And as an idiotgoes in and does the Bloody Mary
three times in the mirror. Andsure enough, shortly after she
gets off the phone with Charlie,she's like, I'll talk to you
tomorrow, you silly bitch. Yeah,it is. And so sure enough, she's
(14:42):
about to brush her teeth, andher reflection starts doing
something different than whatshe is. That was creepy. And
what does she tell her, youkilled that boy? Yeah, her eyes
start bleeding, and she dies.
Charlie calls Sam and Dean andtells them what happened to
Jill. She's freaked out. Yeah.
And they look at the mirror thatwas in her bathroom where she
(15:03):
died, like Mr. Shoemaker, andthey take it down, and they're
looking at it on the back, ithas that, like, paper, yeah, it
doesn't scratch the wall, Iguess. And they tear that off,
and there's a name that lookslike it's been, like, almost
like, drawn in blood orsomething, yeah. Or paint, like
finger painted, yeah, yeah. Andit says Gary brymon. So they go
(15:27):
to the library to research, andthey discover that there was a
young boy killed in a hit andrun, and the description of the
car matched Jill's car,according to Charlie. Charlie,
yeah. Okay, Charlie. And so thenthey go to the shoemaker house
to look at that window, or, I'msorry, that mirror, and tear off
the back of that mirror, and itsays Linda Shoemaker. And they
(15:52):
know that that's the name ofSteven's wife, the teenage
daughters there. They kind ofquestion her, and she's like,
what do you what do you want?
Like, my mom died of anoverdose. She took too many
pills on accident. It was anaccident, but as we know, it's I
don't think it was an accident.
Unknown (16:07):
Wasn't necessarily an accident.
LA (16:10):
So Dean starts researching all the deaths of these women
called Mary who died in front ofa mirror, and finds that in
Indiana there was a MaryWorthington. So they go to
Indiana and speak to the policethere who worked on that case.
Mary was 19 when someone brokeinto her apartment, murdered her
and cut out her eyes with aknife
Berly (16:32):
right like, ooh, he seemed to be like a retired cop
who just, you know, you watchthat one, you watch the true
crime documentaries, and youhear the cops that'll be talking
about the case that happenedyears ago that they never saw
one. They can't can't let go.
They never stopped thinkingabout it, right? And it seemed
like that kind of situation. Iagree. Yeah. I wish they had got
a little bit more into the cop,right? I liked the actor, and I
(16:55):
feel like they could. That'sgonna be mom. One criticism of
this. They could have done alittle bit more with that scene.
Yeah.
LA (17:02):
I agree. Scene. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Excuse me,
I had to take a drink. Um, sobefore she died, before this,
Mary died in front of this largemirror, she tried to spell out
what they assume was herkiller's name, because it was
her, it was there was blood onher finger that she was trying
to right, and it was T, R, E,that was all that was so, I
(17:25):
guess she died before shefinished. There finished it
obviously, which
Berly (17:28):
is a callback to Sherlock Holmes, A Study in Scarlet.
Sherlock Holmes,
LA (17:36):
remind me. I've seen that one twice, but remind me so
Berly (17:38):
they find a murder victim who had been scratching, that's
right, the name, into the floor,and they didn't finish it. So I
thought that was a nice littleSherlock Holmes callback. I
don't know if it was intentionalor not, but that's what I
thought. Yeah,
LA (17:54):
I could see it. But so there was a surgeon named Trevor
Sampson who was a suspect.
Berly (18:01):
Oh, really,
LA (18:04):
but nothing was ever proven for her murder that he was
involved with. It remainedunsolved. It turned out that
they were having an affair,right? Yeah, he
Berly (18:14):
found out there was some shady shit going on, yeah, in
the background. And he was like,and the picture of the guy, he
looked like a straight upvillain. They showed a picture
of him. He had on, like thesesunglasses, like the bad guy
from matrix, and just this bigsmile, like a Tim Curry esque
smile, like you just tell he wasa bad guy. Yeah,
LA (18:35):
the detective had said in her last journal entry, Mary's
last journal entry was that shewas gonna tell the wife,
Berly (18:42):
yeah, she was referring to him as she was he said. She
never said the name of the guy,but she was referring to whoever
it was as T, like it was justthe letter T, and
LA (18:51):
I thought you were telling me to timeout when
Berly (18:53):
I'm, like, doing a t over my head, which, I don't know why
I'm doing that, why I feel theneed to do a big T over my head.
But yeah, she
LA (19:01):
said, T Correct, yeah. So that was she was gonna tell the
wife, so motive, Mm, hmm. Andalthough she was cremated, which
I say this all the time becauseI watched a lot of crime shows
or whatever, but I think ifsomebody is murdered or there's
a mysterious circumstance inthat death, it should be, which,
I mean, I know we can do thisfor religious purposes or
whatever, but I wish theyweren't allowed to cremate them
(19:25):
so that later on, if they neededto, they could resume and do
further, you know,investigations on the body or
whatnot. Yeah, because therehave been so many that I've
watched where it's like, if theyhad the body to go back to
nowadays, with what we have,they probably could solve it,
but the body's been cremated, sothey can't. So I always hate
(19:46):
that, yeah, or like, when it'slike, this, the spouse was the
suspicious one, and they'relike, yeah, let's get this
bloody cremated ASAP. You know,yeah,
Berly (19:54):
they shouldn't be allowed to make those calls, yeah?
Anyway, they're like, I. Okay,she was cremated. She was
burned. So how is she stilllingering right?
LA (20:04):
Why is her spirit still around? So they think that they
noodle it over, and then theydecide they do noodle it over.
They decide that her spirit istrapped in the mirror. And so
they go and find, try to findthis mirror that was at her
house, the one she fingerpainted on, yeah, trying to
write out Trevor's name. So theyand they discover that the
(20:26):
whoever in the family had itsold it to this antique shop,
yeah, so they go to the shopafter hours and Toledo. Toledo,
so the boys are in the shop, butthen it flashes back to Donna
and Charlie at school in thebathroom. Charlie is trying to
explain, like she, she's like, Iknow it sounds crazy, but this,
you know, it is weird how yourdad died and then Jill, you
(20:49):
know, same thing happened. It'sa little weird. Like, could you
not try and see that? Perhapswhat I'm saying seems crazy, but
there is a connection. Donna'snot having it, no. So Donna and
her sassiness is like, just No,no. That's not what happened.
She goes
Berly (21:08):
like, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, blood Mary, Mary. Like,
right away, fast,
LA (21:11):
yeah, right away. In the mirror that in the bathroom just
says it like, no big deal. Fuckyou. Jill leaves, yeah,
Berly (21:17):
which we should come back that Sam and Dean have kind of
figured out that the ghost ofMary is not necessarily going
after whoever, quote, unquoteher, yeah, but she goes after
whoever is guilty of havingpotentially caused the death of
somebody else, right? Like she'sseeking vengeance on people,
(21:38):
yeah? So it's not necessarilythat she's gonna go after Donna,
even though Donna's the one whosummoned her right then, we find
out shortly after, Charlie's introuble.
LA (21:48):
Yeah, well, and I don't know if everybody remembers, but they
had those old lipstick cases,like the one lipstick you put in
and you it buttons, but youunbutton it, it's got the little
tiny mirror so you can put yourlipstick on. And that's so she's
in her classroom, pulls that outand sees Bloody Mary behind her.
So she's like, oh shit, thanks alot,
Berly (22:08):
Donna fucking bitch.
LA (22:10):
Like, you didn't kill anybody. But I think, I
Berly (22:13):
think I killed somebody, and now I'm fucked. Thanks a
lot.
LA (22:16):
As I said when we were watching it, when she started to
say that in the mirror, I wouldhave slapped you, right? Or,
like, like, been, like, slappedmy hand on your mouth so you
couldn't finish something. Like,she
Berly (22:26):
said it quickly, but it wasn't that quick. You could,
she could, you could have kickeda knee and, yeah, made some shit
happen. Like,
LA (22:31):
shut up, don't you fucking do that. I gotta stop cussing.
Okay,
Berly (22:37):
you're fine. We're an explicit show. It's fine. So
LA (22:40):
anyway, the boys, she calls the boys. The boys are here, the
boys, and they come to she's ina hotel room and she's in their
Berly (22:50):
hotel room. Yeah, she got to go. She like, calls them and
tells them what happened. Theycome and get her and take her to
their hotel room. Like, good foryou. It's another wise move,
Charlie, really smart, Charlie.
And she's, well, good. They'recovering up the pictures,
reflective everything. Rememberyou and I were joking, like,
Hey, I think I think that shirtmight be a little reflective.
(23:10):
You
LA (23:12):
were like, Sam, like, I yeah, I might. I think I see a
reflection on your button, onyour shirt.
Berly (23:17):
Can we get rid of that?
Take
LA (23:18):
that off, right? Oh,
Berly (23:21):
Dean, your pants. They seem to be reflecting something.
Can we get rid of those?
LA (23:27):
Please save me. But good for her, because she's like, curled
up like her head's covering herface in her knees, like, until
they cover everything as well.
Like, why am I doing it? Likeanybody's watching me? Because
it's great.
Berly (23:40):
It's great, great for for our storytelling effect. So
LA (23:44):
she finally looks up and, like you said, she was, you
know, those buttons needed togo, but whatever,
Berly (23:51):
no clothing was removed in this episode. Yeah,
unfortunately. But anyway, Samand Dean, like, basically, are,
like, You're safe here. Stayhere. We're gonna go find this
mirror. Well, no, no. So
LA (24:02):
they're they're concerned, because they're like, Well,
what's up? Like,
Unknown (24:05):
oh yeah, I
LA (24:06):
forgot she told Yeah. Why is she showing up for you? If you
know, we know what happened withthe other two but like, what did
you do? And so she tells themabout this boyfriend she had,
that they were super committedto each other, and she started
to feel differently. And therewas one night that she was
leaving and he threatened tokill himself if she left, and
she kind of callously said, goahead and do it. And left,
Berly (24:28):
right, and he, which was harsh as fuck you, right, you
could have just left, yeah,
LA (24:33):
not necessary, but, you know, tension, yeah, could
Berly (24:36):
have left call 911, yeah, there's more information out
there these days than there wereback then. True, I could see
somebody doing something like
LA (24:43):
that right back then. Yeah, so she feels responsible for his
death, which I think isbullshit. And Mary lay off
because that's not her fuckingfault. But
Berly (24:51):
then that's on hints. Sam explains that apparently, with
vengeful spirits, there is notreally much of a gray area.
You're either guilty or you'renot. Yeah. Well. No, okay, I'm
not saying I agree with thespirits. La, I'm just saying,
what Sam said? Okay, you have aproblem with it. Take it up with
Mr. Winchester.
LA (25:10):
Okay, daddy, daddy Winchester, Where's
Berly (25:13):
daddy Winchester? What's he coming back?
LA (25:16):
Um, so the boys decide that they need to go like that's when
they discover they discover theyneed to go find this mirror,
summon her and destroy themirror, because they think that
will destroy that will she can'tbe trapped in there anymore, so
she can move on and go wherevershe needs to go, right?
Berly (25:32):
And Sam is the one who's like, I'm gonna summon her,
yeah?
LA (25:36):
Well, and as we know, he feels guilty for is it Jessica?
Jessica? Jessica, hisgirlfriend's death, which,
again, not his fault, right? Andthen dean is
Berly (25:45):
like, how could that possibly be considered your
fault? You didn't know that wasgoing to happen. You had no
idea, yeah, and Sam's not reallytalking, so it's kind of like,
Hmm, what's going on there?
LA (25:58):
Yeah, well. And it's like, I wonder if part of it, it's like
it happened in his bedroom withhis mom, and then it happened in
his bedroom with his girlfriendtoo. So it's like, well, we
Berly (26:07):
find out, but we find out later that Sam's nightmares that
he's been having about Jessicadying, that he actually had
those days before, right? Shedied. And so that's why he feels
guilty,
LA (26:17):
well, but also like dreams are dreams. You can't control
them, you know, sometimes youcan. It's not like he had a
premonition. I
Berly (26:24):
mean, he did, but I hope some of my dreams have been
premonitions,
LA (26:28):
not mine. I haven't had any good dreams lately. Okay, so we,
we're back at the antique shopthat has the mirror from Mary
and the boys are, you know,looking around. It's a nice
little antique store. They wrotegoing around trying to find the
mirror. They have a picture ofwhat the mirror looked like from
the detective. So they'researching for it. They find it,
(26:49):
and Dean decides to summon Mary.
She appears, well, actually,it's before she appears that the
lights
Berly (26:58):
come on. Right? Yeah.
They like said the names. Andthen right after Sam said it was
really dramatic, he did a bunchof dramatic pauses between,
like, Bloody Mary, yeah, BloodyMary, it was, it was really
slow. And then like, cut toblack, and when it came back, it
was Sam and Dean, and you sawheadlights, yeah? And Dean was
(27:18):
like, I'm gonna go take care ofthis.
LA (27:21):
Yeah, so Dean goes out there, it's cops, and he's
trying. He's like, that's,that's my dad's place. And I
think he says some, like, it wasan Asian, an Asian, I didn't
write it down, but yeah. Andhe's like, I was adopted. Like,
he's just trying to play it, andthese guys aren't buying it. So
he assaults the police officers.
He punches him out as one does,yeah, you know, not gonna go to
(27:43):
jail, though. And
Berly (27:46):
in the meantime, Sam is being taken over by Mary in the
mirror. He's like, got the bloodcoming from his reflections,
telling him you did it. Youkilled Jessica, all his
LA (27:57):
fault. Yeah. Sam is basically, like, on his way
dying, that hero Dean comes in,like, like, the knight in
shining armor, and smashes themirror. And so, yeah,
Berly (28:10):
Sam smashed a couple of mirrors in the process as well.
Well, it was like, you and Iboth were like, That's not a bad
luck,
LA (28:17):
right? But it wasn't. It's like he was trying to get to
that mirror with her in it, butit's like he couldn't after she
got hold of him. Yeah, yes,because he had the crowbar in
his hand and he dropped, hedropped it, but Dean, Dean got
him, got her. And so they'reboth on the ground. He, you
know, pulled Sam away, and Marycomes out of the frame. Straight
(28:38):
up. Ring reference for sure, it
Berly (28:40):
was totally I love all these horror movie references
that are happening in most ofthe episodes, some of them I
have to think about. But thiswas what no thoughts. I knew
immediately. Yeah, oh, Heroncrawling out. It was totally
like when she crawls out of theTV. Absolutely.
LA (28:57):
It was very cool. Yeah, so she's coming after them, they
stand up, or no, she's up. AndDean grabs one of the mirrors
that are that's next to him, andshows her her own reflection.
And she's very Dorian Gray, yes,yeah. And so the her reflection
starts accusing her of killingall these people, and it starts
(29:20):
to cause her to self destroy.
And she basically, like, melts,yeah,
Unknown (29:24):
to the ground was very, uh,
Berly (29:28):
she like, kind of went blood red and kind of moldy, and
just like, fell to the ground,yeah.
LA (29:34):
Like, nothing, yeah. And so Dean smashes that mirror just to
make sure, yeah, she, she ain'tcoming back, right? So that's
all said and done. And the boysgo back to Charlie's house, and
Sam tells her not to feel guiltyanymore over that her
boyfriend's death, like shecouldn't have prevented it. It
wasn't on her. And then deanbasically tells Sam, you know,
(29:56):
that's good advice, yeah, youknow, like, Maybe
Unknown (29:58):
you should take it yourself. Bro, such a good But
brother, yeah, when they'releaving,
LA (30:03):
Dean asks Sam yet again.
He's like, you're gonna need totell me what the secret was. But
Sam's not budging. He says, No,he's keeping this one. And then
he sees Jessica standing on thestreet corner in this long white
nightgown, just watching him ashe drives by, as they drive by,
and then she disappears.
Berly (30:22):
Yeah, but she's gorgeous.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I liked it. Ithought it was a pretty good it
was a good one. Yeah, I
LA (30:28):
like that one too.
Berly (30:30):
So as we dig into the lure, we've talked, we've
explored the gore and what weadore, which there wasn't a lot
of Gore in this one either. Imean, well, there was the the
big blood pool from the dad andbloody eyes. Bloody eyes. This
was a terrible it wasn't verygraphic, yeah, it wasn't, it
wasn't bad, yeah. For the lore,we have had our third Vengeful
(30:52):
Spirit on our supernaturaljourney here. The first was our
woman in white in the pilotepisode. The second was the
Drowned boy and dead in thewater. And so this is the third,
which is Bloody Mary. And ofcourse, it's another angry
woman, of course, of course,vengeful spirits. You know,
we're more likely to be female,which we already talked about
(31:14):
the Bloody Mary urban legend alittle bit. So whenever I was
looking into is bloody Mary,real in any way, supposedly, the
urban legend actually stems froma prominent historical figure,
Oh, Mary Tudor. Oh. She was thedaughter of King Henry, the
(31:34):
eighth of England, and his firstwife, the Spanish Princess
Catherine of Aragon. Am I sayingthat? Right? It's Catherine the
Great, right? Catherine ofAragon. No,
Unknown (31:45):
it's not Catherine the Great, no, Catherine the
Berly (31:47):
Great was Queen.
Unknown (31:51):
Oh, okay, right.
Berly (31:54):
Anyway, Mary's early life was chaotic as her father's
frequent remarriages threatenedboth her claim to the throne and
her very survival. Henry'spursuit of a male heir led to
his split with the RomanCatholic Church. I think a lot
of us know this story, thebeheadings and all this other
stuff going on with Henry theeighth. So Mary's faith put her
(32:18):
at odds with the ProtestantChurch of England. That clash
came to a head when Mary becamequeen in 1553 and her efforts to
restore Roman Catholicism toEngland would earn her the
nickname Bloody Mary. Hundredsof Protestants were burned at
the stake as heretics, andhundreds more were executed in
(32:43):
the wake of a failed Protestantrebellion by Sir Thomas Wyatt,
the younger, suffering from aseries of illnesses, Mary died
in 1558 at the age of 42 havingruled for just five years. Oh,
wow, she kind of knew thisstuff, but I wouldn't be able to
(33:03):
talk about this off the top ofmy head, yeah, no, yeah. Mary's
most lasting contribution tohistory would be her
unfortunate, if somewhatjustified nickname of Bloody
Mary, according to some sources,the vodka and tomato juice
concoction, often touted as ahangover cure derives its name
from her as well, but that'sbeen disputed. Of even mer here,
(33:28):
origin is the childhood ghoststory that suggests that
repeating the words Bloody Maryinto a mirror will cause some
foul apparition to appear.
However, there is nothing tosuggest that Mary Tudor's deeds
or misfortunes would haveinspired an eternal malice
towards sleepover participants.
So she was called Bloody Mary.
That part's true. But as towhether or not she is the
(33:49):
inspiration for the urban legendis like, not clear, yeah, but I
do think it's quite thecoincidence that it's the exact
same name.
Unknown (33:58):
Oh yeah,
Berly (33:59):
there is this one guy, John Fox, who is held pretty
responsible for Mary'sreputation, because he wrote the
acts and monuments better knownas Fox's Book of Martyrs. And it
was a detailed account of eachand every martyr who died for
his or her faith under theCatholic church that was
(34:21):
published in 1563, and wentthrough four editions in Fox's
lifetime alone, testament to itspopularity. So what does this
have to do with Mary? Althoughthe work covered the early
Christian martyrs, the medievalinquisition and the suppressed
loyal history, I think I'msaying that, right? Oh, here's
(34:41):
heresy, heresy, lollard heresy.
It was the persecutions underMary that got and still receive
the most attention. And this isprobably due to the fact that
out of the 57 illustrations. Inthe book, 30 of them depicted
the executions under Mary'sreign, damn. They definitely
(35:05):
depicted her as Bloody Mary.
Yeah, to say the least, I'd
LA (35:12):
have to ask my uncle, if he knows about this book, do it?
You know, he's just like, he'sbig into Catholicism, so, oh,
okay,
Berly (35:23):
like big time. As far as is bloody mary real? The answer
is yes, like there was a realBloody Mary, but as to whether
or not it actually ties into theurban legend Bloody Mary that
was featured in this week'sepisode, that's not really
proven to be true, but
Unknown (35:43):
that's what I found in the lore. Very nice.
LA (35:47):
I feel like I've read something about that, but just
all this background, I likethat. You got it, yeah, bringing
it up.
Berly (35:57):
So to close out our episode, we have another quote,
which I'll tell you the quotefrom the episode. But then I
actually went to Cheers to adifferent quote from something
else that this quote made methink of. Okay, so in the
episode, it's after Sam wakes upfrom a nightmare, and Dean is
(36:18):
like, So what'd you dream about?
And Sam goes lollipops and candycanes. And it made me think of a
quote from get Him to the
Unknown (36:26):
Greek. Oh, god, yeah.
Berly (36:29):
So I want to cheers to this quote, your brain is full
of lollipops, rainbows andcheese,
LA (36:37):
cheers. I like it.
Berly (36:40):
Thank you for listening to denim wrapped
LA (36:41):
nightmares. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram, leave a
review and let us know how wecan get involved in the fandom.
Berly (36:49):
This was fun,
Unknown (36:50):
jerk. It always is, bitch. You.
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