December 21, 2022 • 45 mins
Berly and LA recap and discuss the season one Supernatural episode, Faith. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Summary: In the "Denim Wrapped Nightmares" podcast, hosts Berly and LA discuss their progress through the first season of "Supernatural," sharing their reactions to episodes and exploring the show's lore. They express their admiration for the series and its characters, including the Winchesters, and touch on the fandom dynamics, such as the divide between "Jared or Sam" and "Dean or Jensen" fans. They also mention the new show "The Winchesters" and the official rewatch show "Supernatural Then and Now." In the episode "Faith," they recap the plot, including the Winchesters' encounter with a faith healer who turns out to be manipulating a Reaper. They delve into the lore of the Grim Reaper, discussing its origins and cultural interpretations.
Resources:
- https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Faith
- https://www.britannica.com/story/where-does-the-concept-of-a-grim-reaper-come-from
- https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/grim-reaper.htm
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Berly (00:01):
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode,
LA (00:10):
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we
adore about the Winchesters andtheir adventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.
Berly (00:28):
We are officially halfway through the first season.
LA (00:31):
I can't believe it.
Berly (00:33):
It's going so fast. I followed a bunch of supernatural
fandom accounts on Twitter, andI've been reading posts and
looking at posts, and the newshow the Winchesters is amazing,
by the way, so we should,apparently watch that when we
finish this. Okay, just basedoff of what I'm seeing. And I've
(00:54):
seen some other things that arepotentially spoiler, spoilers
that I don't really understand.
I've seen some things that arespoilers that I do understand
because, well, you know that I,like actually started paying
attention whenever I watched itthe first time about halfway
through the series. So towardthe end of part of the series, I
(01:14):
do know some things. Okay, sofar, our blood splooge count
that we started on episode one.
Yeah, we're not doing so well.
There's just the one bloodsplooge so far from the pilot, a
super gory show, not so far, butI know at some point blood
splooges Do come into being abigger part of this series.
Yeah, I just assumed it was theentire series, but I guess it's
(01:38):
not going to happen until lateron.
LA (01:40):
Okay,
Berly (01:41):
so we've got the little course. Another thing I learned
on Twitter is that there areJared or Sam girls who are all
about Yeah, all about Jared,Padalecki or Sam, and then there
are Dean and Jensen girls, whoare all about Yeah, and they're
(02:02):
divided, and they'll be mean toeach other, really good. I
didn't like that, right? Iactually think that team that's
that'll be our team. I like themboth. Yeah, I don't want to pick
one or the other. I really likethem both. And there are, uh,
wind zest shippers out there,oh, oh no, yes, no, no, no, were
(02:26):
Sam and Dean doing
LA (02:27):
Targaryen style? Yes.
Berly (02:31):
So that was something new. That was just like, Oh,
wow. Okay, so, yeah, so I I'mnot a shipper, but I do like
both Sam and Dean as well asboth Jensen Ackles and Jared
Padalecki. Me too. There is anofficial supernatural rewatch
show called supernatural thenand now, hosted by a couple of
(02:52):
guys who will be on the showlater. And I tried to listen to
that first episode was reallycool. Jared and Jensen were
talking about filming the pilot.
They use real fire when theyfilmed that, so that was
interesting. And then theystarted talking about the lore,
and I was like, oh, no, that'swhat we do. And then I started
trying to listen to the secondepisode, and they made the same
(03:13):
joke about the Windigo Ate MyBaby. Stop it. That's my thing,
I know. So I stopped, because Idon't want to know.
LA (03:26):
My aunt and I always joke and talk about that a thing goes
so my baby,
Berly (03:30):
right? But they're the same age as us, so I guess it's
bound to happen that they'regonna make some of the same
jokes. But I don't that's such aboundary. I don't want to know
about it, though. So I stoppedlistening to the show. It was
really good, though, I will saythat. So if you're looking for
another supernatural show tolisten to supernatural then and
now, I recommend it based off ofthe one and a half episodes I
(03:52):
heard. But I don't want tolisten to any more, because I
don't want to be influenced bythem bringing something up and
me being like, Oh yeah, butthey're way far ahead of us. Oh
yeah. So that's not that big ofa deal. I just, I still don't
want to know. And then the otherthing I've learned is that there
are a lot of queer fans in thesupernatural fandom. We hope
(04:12):
this is a safe space. Yeah,yeah. We, you know, love is love
here. Just be you. Yes. We'rejust a couple of old boy crazy
millennial idiots. We are nothateful. We are loving loving
Old Broads, and we never intendto offend anybody. No, no, no,
(04:35):
no. So if one of us sayssomething ignorant,
LA (04:38):
please, I know I can be ignorant at times, yeah, please
gently correct me, or, you know,feel free to enlighten me kind
way.
Berly (04:48):
Yeah, but yeah, I do want to know behind the scenes stuff.
So we would like the fandom tolet us know that stuff too,
because I thought I would beable to listen to that other
podcast and get some cool stuff.
But like, No, I can't. I. Yeah,no, they made the same Dingo
joke,
Unknown (05:02):
so I just bummed about that.
Berly (05:05):
But yeah, we're halfway through the first season. It's
crazy. So let's touch basereally quickly on where we were
last week with the episode ofscarecrow. Yes, before we get
into this week's episode faith.
LA (05:22):
So that episode we, as we mentioned, we liked that. It
kind of picked up right afterthe last episode where there has
been some tensions between theboys, the brothers, basically
they hear from dad. Dad says,Trust me, don't come find me,
but here's this job I'm sendingyou on. And then they find out
these couples have been missingin this Indiana town. Well,
(05:45):
couples from all over, but theyend up missing after they've
been in this one particulartown. And it ends up being that
the whole town is in on it, andthey're basically sacrificing
these got these couples thathave passed through to this
pagan god that is in the form ofa scarecrow, and this apple
orchard, kind of on theoutskirts of town, Sam eats up
(06:06):
with this other hitchhiker girl,and they bond over their kind of
same similar stories of familyand trying to do it their own
way, instead of doing the familyway. And Sam ends up saving the
day with Dean helping him totake down the Scarecrow and
basically burn down the treethat was connected to the
(06:28):
Scarecrow to get rid of him. Andthen at the end, we learned that
the hitchhiker that Sam was withMeg has got some she's something
evil. Shit going on. Yeah,
Berly (06:39):
we don't know what. Yeah, she
LA (06:41):
sliced a guy's throat to get the blood, and then made a call,
swirling her finger in theblood. She
Berly (06:46):
made a collect call, yeah.
LA (06:52):
She said that she didn't know why she had to let Sam go.
She said she could have takenboth of them on. And then she
listened to something wecouldn't hear. And she was like,
Yes, father, yes,
Berly (07:01):
yeah. So how is it, who's my ex? Daddy? Yeah, that's the
question. It's
LA (07:06):
a very quick recap, yes.
Well, this
Berly (07:09):
week, we watched the episode called Faith, yes, and
it wasn't one of my favorites sofar. Yeah, it was an it was a
good episode, I guess.
LA (07:20):
But one of the concepts in it, I kind of like, as far as
the lore goes, yeah. But otherthan that, yeah,
Berly (07:28):
it's all right, yeah. And then the beginning, I was super
confused. So when the episodefirst starts out, yeah, yeah.
The episode first starts out, wesee Dean and Sam pull up to a
house, and they are going totheir trunk and talking about
getting these tasers, 100,000volts, and they're going in
after what was apparently calleda raw hide, which is a type of
(07:51):
monster that dwells in basementsand, like eats children or
something. They aren't tellingus any of this, though, yeah, I
only know this from what Ilooked up, so we know they need
100,000 volts for something. Sothey're getting that out of the
trunk. They go into the house,they immediately go down into
the basement, open this cabinet,and there's two adorable little
(08:12):
children in there, and they ask,is it still here? And the kids
are like, yes, yes. They get thekids out of the cabinet, and as
always, Dean hands them off toSam, and says, Sam, you get them
out of
LA (08:24):
here. He's got to be like his daddy.
Berly (08:27):
So Sam goes upstairs. He has the kids going in front of
him, and something reachesbetween the steps, grabs Sam's
ankle. Sam busts his ass downthe stairs pretty hard, yeah.
Dean runs around behind thestairs, shoots his taser. That's
one shot that they told us thatwhen they were going to get out
of the trunk, one shot. Anddoesn't get the monster. So Sam
(08:49):
gives him his Taser andcontinues to get the kids out of
the house. Then Dean is battlingthe monster. There's a flood,
flooding, or something going onin this basement, because all of
a sudden, there's all this waterthat Dean is standing in, and
the monster comes toward him,and he gets it with the taser.
But by the time he hits themonster, it too is standing in
(09:11):
the water, and Dean is fucked.
He is also getting shocked with100,000 volts. At this point,
LA (09:17):
he should have worn rubber shoes, rubber boots, or just got
the fuck out of the water,right? Yeah. I
Berly (09:22):
mean, goodness gracious.
So Sam comes running downstairs,finds Dean unconscious, gets him
to a hospital. At the hospital,the doctor basically tells Sam
that whatever happened triggereda massive heart attack, there's
irreparable damage, and thatDean has, like, two weeks to
live,
LA (09:43):
maybe a month, I think he said, which is great. He's so
young and for I mean, what doesthat do to like people like when
cops taste people, I guessthey're probably not in water,
Berly (09:54):
and it's probably, well, 100,000 volts. I doubt it's that
they specifically said that, um.
I mean, I've been, I've gotten ajolt here and there, so I can't
imagine it's 100,000 volts,though, like, they specifically
said that. So I think thatthat's probably not normal,
right?
LA (10:14):
Yeah, well and water really didn't have much to do with it.
I
Berly (10:17):
don't know. So Sam is like, we are going to get you
better. We are going to figureit out. And Dean is basically
just accepting that he's donefor he's talking to Sam about
taking the car, take care of it.
You know, this is the gig I'mdone. And it's just like, Dean,
you're terrified to get on aplane. You were terrified to go
(10:38):
back to your family home, but inthe face of, hey, you're gonna
die in a couple of weeks. You'rejust chill. It's gonna happen.
Yeah, just accepts it. Justfine. Whatever good. He's a
complicated guy. He is that DeanWinchester, well, Sam refuses to
accept this. He doesn't give ashit that Dean is acting like
he's chill. Dean is makingjokes. Sam's like, Oh yeah, you
(11:01):
laugh in the face of death.
They're like, I'm not fuckingbuying it. And he starts getting
on the horn and contactingpeople that their dad knows,
trying to find what's our nextoption here. Dean checks himself
out of the hotel, or not out ofthe hotel, out of the hospital,
and comes to the hotel, and it'sbeen, I think they said three
(11:22):
days. It's been, it's been a fewdays, a couple of days, two or
three days. So Sam has managedto find somebody who had a lead
on a faith healer. Dane lookslike shit, by the way, I'd still
hit it.
LA (11:35):
Well, yeah, but I mean, he still looks, you know, he's
still him, but he, he's
Berly (11:40):
still fond of sick version of it. He had some bags
under his eyes, boo hoo. I'dstill hit it real hot again. Sam
found out about this faithhealer, and it's in Nebraska.
Dean is, you know, being askeptic, like, Are you fucking
kidding me? Sam's No, we'regoing, yeah. So Sam gets Dean
(12:03):
and the Impala, and they go toNebraska. And Sam is so cute
whenever they get to the faithhealer place, like he wants to
run around the car and go openthe door for Dean and wants to
help Dean walk. And Dean's justlike, Get off of me. And it's so
cute watching Sam try to takecare of his big brother. They
get into the faith healer tentafter they pass some people who
(12:28):
are true believers, and there'sthis one guy out there who's a
skeptic, and there's a couple ofcops out there who were kind of
trying to tell the skeptic,like, get out of here. But they
aren't really making him leave.
So they're walking past this.
They get into the tent. Deannotices that there's a security
camera in there, and he's like,Oh, yeah. Like, really, really
good. Here. They're reallytrustworthy people here. They've
(12:49):
got security cameras on theirtrack. And he tries to take a
seat at the back. And Sam'slike, no, no, front row, baby.
LA (12:56):
Yeah. We're
Berly (12:57):
not sitting back here.
We're going to the front. So Samdrags Dean up to the front, and
they go and sit down immediatelybehind Layla, who is a young
blonde that they met outside thetent. And she's played by Julie
Benz, yes, from Angel andDexter. I
LA (13:15):
forgot about Angel.
Berly (13:16):
What else was she in?
Some other stuff. She's been ona lot of stuff. There
LA (13:19):
was some other show she was in with another blonde too, when
they were younger. I want tosay, I can't remember. She did a
bunch of, a bunch of TV stuff,yeah, for the most part, I want
to
Berly (13:29):
say Dean. Basically, he makes, I don't remember exactly
what he said, and I didn't writeit down, but he says something
along the lines of, like, hehe'd hit that. So he thinks
Layla is pretty he likes, helikes Layla. He
LA (13:40):
likes the Julie Bens, yes.
So they
Berly (13:43):
sit behind her. The preacher is starting his sermon,
or the faith healer, whateveryou want to call him. His name's
Roy LaGrange, which is a greatname. I'm pretty sure Lagrange
isn't that as easy top song. Yousaid that when we were watching
it. I didn't know. Hang on. Letme google it, Lagrange with an
LA. Roy was Lagrange with an LA,yeah. Oh, I
LA (14:06):
thought his was la too. La range.
Berly (14:09):
Um, which, speaking of ZZ, top Lagrange. I've still
been very happy with the music
LA (14:14):
I know. As we were talking about it, I was like, what is
their budget for the songs inthis season or in the show?
Yeah? Because, like you said, itwas like low budget, but I can't
imagine the songs that arethey're using are cheap. I wish
good songs, yeah. I mean, notthat I know anything about any
of that, but
Berly (14:33):
some good music, though.
Yeah. Anyway, so Roy is startinghis sermon, what have you, and
he is telling everybody that theLord helps me see into people's
hearts
LA (14:47):
Yes, because he he is blind, yes, which we find out why
later, yeah. We
Berly (14:52):
find out why in a little bit. But that is that is
important to know that he isblind, yeah. After he says that,
Dean leans over to Sam and says.
Is Yeah, and people's wallets,or something along those lines,
and their money, yeah, yeah. Andthe preacher hears him, calls
him out, yes. He's like, whatwas that? And Dean's just like,
oh, sorry, just kidding. And hemade a joke about, just be
(15:13):
careful what you say in front ofpeople, blind people, blind
people who might have reallysharp here they've got the
LA (15:21):
sharp. Yeah, there are other senses, right? Yeah, duh, Dean.
Berly (15:26):
Well, anyway, from this little interaction, Roy ends up
deciding Dean is who he's gonnaheal today. So he calls Dean up
to the front. And at first, Deanis trying to tell him, pick
somebody else. I'm not abeliever. Pick someone else. And
Sam's like, fuck, you knowyou're going get up there. Dean
goes up to the front, and Roy ispraying, and he tells everybody
(15:50):
under the tent to pray withthem. And he puts his hands on
Dean, and you can see Dean'sweak knees start getting weak,
and he falls down, and he kindof passes out for a second,
yeah, and Sam goes running up tothe stage to check on his
brother. And when Dean comes tohe sees Roy standing there, and
there's just, it's happensreally quickly that there's
(16:12):
something. There's another manstanding behind Roy.
LA (16:16):
He's like, in all black, but his face is kind of like, white
blur, yeah, white blur.
Berly (16:21):
Or he was like, he looks like a prune. He looked like
that one bad guy from DickTracy. Oh, yeah, yeah, you
LA (16:26):
said that. Yeah, yeah. He
Berly (16:27):
had like, wrinkles, like a Sharpe or something, yeah,
and, but he did have on a niceblack suit, but the guy like
fades away into, into, he'sfuzzy, yeah? Zane doesn't get
like, a very good look at him,but he got enough of a look that
he knew something wasrecognized. Yeah, then they go
back to the hospital and thedoctor confirms Dean is healed.
(16:48):
So whatever Roy did, it fuckingworked, but Dean just does not
feel right about it. You cantell he's uncomfortable. He does
not like what happened. So hedecides he's gonna go back and
talk to LaGrange, as well as hiswife, Sue Ann. That's when they
tell the story about howLagrange had cancer, and after
(17:12):
praying and falling into a comaand all this drama, he woke up
and was suddenly healed, andthat if he hadn't gone blind
from the cancer, you never wouldhave known that anything had
ever happened. Now, while Deanis talking to Lagrange and his
wife, Sam goes and checks outthe death of a man that was
mysteriously happened at thesame time they were at La
(17:36):
Grange's tent, and it was thisswimmer who just basically
dropped dead of a heart attack,and it turns out it happened at
the exact same time Dean washealed because the clock stopped
in the pool when leavinglagranges house, after talking
to him and his wife, Dean runsinto Layla and her mom a bit,
(17:56):
and her mother is dramatic. Sheis very upset that Dean was
chosen over her daughterwhenever he just showed up on
his first day and got chosen.
Her and Layla have apparentlybeen showing up for months every
single day to every singleservice, and it turns out that
Layla has a brain tumor that'sinoperable, and she's been given
six months to live. Layla ispretty much resolved and just
(18:22):
chill about the whole thing, buther mom is again, being very
dramatic. She like, starts toget this monolog where she steps
off to the side and it's like,Who are you talking to? There's
literally nobody in front ofher. And Layla puts her hand on
her shoulders, just like, chillthe fuck out, mom. Now we're in
the tent and LaGrange, Lagrangeis healing another person, and
(18:43):
we actually get to see this timewhat's happening as he's healing
this one person who has somesort of respiratory issue, like
they have what's it called,yeah, he
LA (18:55):
had a tank on with the the tubes in his nose and
everything, yeah,
Berly (18:59):
so I'm guessing emphysema or something, something like
that. Yeah. And while they'rethey're kind of cutting back and
forth between these two scenes,what's going on in the tent, and
this adorable young woman outfor a jog, and she's got her
little headphones in, and she'sjogging, and she spots the guy
that Dean had seen, kind of inthe woods, and she's kind of
(19:20):
like, what the is going on?
Takes off her earbuds, is tryingto be aware, trying to get away,
trying to run, and then suddenlyhe's in front of her. And this
was pretty cool. I like whatthey did with the eyes, the
effect of on the eyes, yeah,when the where do you
LA (19:37):
put it, like, on the side of their head? I feel like, yeah,
Berly (19:40):
he put his hands on, kind of like the doctor did in the
asylum episode. He was onehanded. Oh, was he put a one,
put a hand on her face and hereyes, they just kind of like
filmed over with kind of thiswhite or green, and her skin got
very pale, like, basically thelife was getting drained out of
her from this person. In Yeah.
And as that's happening,Lagrange is healing the guy with
(20:02):
the oxygen tank, Sam looksthrough newspaper clippings.
We're back at the newspaperslooking at the people who were
healed versus people who died onthe days they were healed. And
he makes the connection thatwhoever died would die of
whatever afflicted the Healedperson. So the day that Dean was
(20:22):
healed, that swimmer died from aheart attack, the day that this
old guy was healed, that joggerdied from upper respiratory
issues. And so they kind of makethe connection that it's trading
life for a life, and they'retaking the healthy person and
giving their health to the sickperson, or something like that.
(20:42):
Dean puts two and two together.
The only thing that can give andtake life like that is a Reaper.
Well, don't
LA (20:50):
they clear up that it's a Reaper, not like the one that we
know of, right?
Berly (20:56):
Yeah, one of them says something about, oh, it's the,
like, the green Grim Reaper. Andthey're like, No, it's a Reaper.
So yeah, they do say that. AndDean just kind of figures out,
you must only be able to see itwhen it's coming for you,
because I saw it, and then itwas gone. And Sam remembers that
there was a unique cross on thetable at the end in the faith
(21:20):
healer tent that just stood outto him, and it was the same
symbol that was on the deathtarot card that they happen to
have. So they kind of put twoand two together. Okay, they're
somehow using this at first,Dean says, Well, this person's
killing people. That's amonster. So as far as I'm
(21:42):
concerned, we go take them out.
And Sam says, No, we're notgoing to go and kill a human.
We're going to figure out howthey're controlling the Reaper
and break the spell. And they'rethinking, it's Lagrange who must
be doing this, that he must betied in it. So they say, Okay,
let's go back. There's a blackaltar they have. They have to
have a black altar in order tocontrol the Reaper. Sam is like,
(22:03):
I'm gonna break and enter intotheir home, find the altar. Fuck
it up. Dean is like, Okay, I'mgoing to go and figure out a way
to stall and try to keep themfrom healing somebody else so
that we don't have somebody elsedie. They go back to the site,
and the tent is right next to LaGrange's home. Sam breaks and
enters into the home. He goesinto this office, and there are
(22:25):
these bookshelves that are dustyas fuck. I was like,
LA (22:30):
That is excessive dust. It
Berly (22:32):
looked like sawdust.
Yeah, it
LA (22:33):
was thick.
Berly (22:34):
It was, yeah, it was a lot. And there's one book on the
shelf that there's no dust. SoSam figures out, well, this one
has been taken out way morerecently than the rest. Takes
the book out, flips through it,and then he finds a smaller book
behind so he tosses the otherbook on the floor. I remember
LA (22:51):
we were watching it, and you were like, did he just toss that
on the floor? And I said, No,Surely not. But then sure
enough, you hear that the good.
Berly (22:57):
And there's this tiny book that he takes out and he's
flipping through it. Andobviously this is a spell book
there. You can see that this iswhat is being used, the symbol,
the same crust symbol is inthere, and everything. And
there's all these newspaperclippings, and they are for the
people who died that theyfigured out, died at the same
time as the people who werehealed. But these newspaper
(23:19):
clippings are different, becausethis is talking about the people
like their lives. One of themwas gay. One of them was it said
I saw the word abortion clinic.
I didn't see exactly what, somaybe they were one of like an
escort at an investor abortionclinic or anything. So, L, O, B,
G, T, Q, and pro choice.
LA (23:40):
Oh so terrible. Well, in the last one he sees is the it says
it shows the picture of the guy,and it says, This church is a
cult, and it's the guy from thevery beginning that was in
Berly (23:52):
the the protester, yeah, yeah, yeah, the protester we
saw. So Dean, in the meantime,is in the tent, and Layla gets
picked and he is conflicted fora second. You can tell he is
conflicted for just a second.
But then he decides, no, youknow my job is I have to save
this, or I have to stall, I haveto stop this. So it cuts to Sam
(24:12):
in the parking lot now, and hesees the protesters screaming
and running from something.
Obviously he can't see theReaper because it's not coming
for him, but the protester cansee the Reaper, and he is
terrified. So Sam is trying tohelp the protester, and Dean
manages to distract everybody byyelling fire and getting
(24:36):
everyone to leave the tent andstopping layla's healing. Yes,
so Layla does not get healed,and you can tell Dean feels like
a real piece of shit because ofit. Everybody's running out of
the tent, except for Sue Ann.
Turns out it wasn't LaGrange, itwas the wife all along. She's
off to the side like saying somesort of chant, and Dean goes
(24:56):
over and is like, what? Youdoing? And I thought this was
really funny. She like, had hernecklace facing the wrong way,
turns the necklace around, andthen goes, Oh yeah, and sticks
the necklace in her shirt, like,I didn't want you to see that.
And it's like, why'd you turnthe necklace around? Yeah,
LA (25:17):
it was really awkward. It was like, she could have just
loved it where it was, where hedidn't see, yeah. Why was that?
But then she was like, no, let'sshow you, and then hide it.
Let's
Berly (25:25):
make sure you see that is the symbol, and then I'll hide
it. And then she goes, Officerhelp. And the two douchebag
officers from the sheriff'soffice kind of, yeah, where were
they? They just pop out frombehind the corner, like they
were just suddenly there. Andthey tell Dean, get out of here
(25:45):
and, like, toss him off. Butthey did save the protester guy
and Sue Ann follows themoutside. It's now Sam and Dean,
and she's basically like, I'mnot gonna press charges. You're
gonna get what's coming. TheLord will make sure you get
what's coming to you. She sayssomething along those lines,
yes. Dean tries to explain toLayla that she should not try to
(26:08):
get healed, that there'ssomething going on. He can't
fully explain it, but just don'tdo it. And she's basically like,
fuck you. I'm gonna try and gethealed, which, I mean, can't
blame her, right? I do the samething. I'm Team Layla all the
way. I would totally be doing itthe same way. So she says, I'm
getting a private session latertonight, and it's pretty clear,
Lagrange has no idea what'sgoing on. He honestly thinks
(26:29):
he's healing people, which isjust so sad, so
LA (26:32):
sad. And I feel that was the saddest thing about it is like
he truly thought he had thisgift, and his wife was just
manipulating him the whole time,yeah, especially the fact that
he's blind and couldn't see,necessarily
Berly (26:43):
sad. Yeah. So Sam has that little book that he took
from the office, and that's whenthey figure out, okay, there's a
black altar. She's got somethingwith human blood and all that,
and that's how she's controllinghim. So that's when they decide,
okay, we gotta go destroy thisblack altar.
LA (26:59):
Gotta find it first.
Berly (27:00):
So they go back to the revival thing, yet again and yet
again. Sam is like, I'm breakingan inner ring. And Dean goes to
the tent. Sam finds a littlebasement thing.
LA (27:15):
No, no storm shelter. Is
Berly (27:16):
that? What it was?
Remember
LA (27:18):
the last episode, it was the same thing. And we were like, we
see those as like a stormshelter,
Berly (27:22):
but it goes down to the basement. He goes in there, and
sure enough, there's an altar.
And who is the target? Next it'sDean. There's a picture of Dean
from the security camera thatwas at the beginning of the
episode, and it's got like a redX on it with blood candles and
all this. And Sam says, fuckthis altar and dumps it over.
And then the preacher's wife,Sue Ann comes in, is just like,
(27:42):
sorry Sammy, and locks him inthe basement and just walks off
and leaves him there. But Samhe's gonna get out. Of course,
of course. He's gonna get out.
He's Sam Winchester, so we seehim busting out windows and
doing stuff to get out of there.
LA (27:59):
Did Did it ever show how he got
Berly (28:01):
out? No, it showed him bust out those windows and you
going, he's not gonna fitthrough those teen time windows,
but they cut away, so we didn'tget to see him squeeze through.
Okay, so the Lagrange ishealing, Layla and Dean is out
in the parking lot and kind ofwatching the tent thing, and the
(28:23):
Reaper finds him, and theReaper's laying his hand on
Dean, and the same thing'shappening where we're seeing the
film come over his eyes, andhe's going pale, and all of
that, Sam luckily breaks out,finds Sue Ann, takes that
necklace that she was so carefulto show earlier, rips it off her
neck, throws it on the ground,and it breaks, and that's where
(28:44):
the blood and all that otherstuff was that she needed for
the spell. I
LA (28:47):
thought that was weird, that it was like blood inside and
everything. Yeah, well, they
Berly (28:51):
specifically said she needed somebody's blood and some
other stuff in order to do thespell. Yeah. Okay, so that was
pretty cool. And then the Reaperis obviously very happy he stops
doing what he's doing to Dean.
And he's just like, fuck yeah,I'm free. And so he goes and he
finds Sue Ann. He gives her astroke and kills her because,
you know, she's been using himas a weapon for who knows how
(29:12):
long. But unfortunately, thatmeans Layla did not get healed,
which
LA (29:18):
I was kind of bummed about.
I was like, Well, hey, he tookwhat's Sue Ann, like, Let's
Let's heal. That's
Berly (29:25):
what I was hoping for, is that he just used Sue Ann
instead of Dean, yeah, becauseshe couldn't control him
anymore. But it makes sense thathe just wanted to be done,
right? But then the reason weknow this is because at the end,
it shows Sam and Dean and theirmotel, hotel holiday and packing
up, and Layla comes to visit,and she says that Sam called her
(29:46):
and said that Dean wanted to saygoodbye as the and Sam makes
like the cheesiest, like face inthe back. Yes.
LA (29:55):
I was like, I made you rewind. I was like, Did you see
that face? Like, he was like,yeah. Like, he. Is so proud of
himself, and then he's like, I'm
Berly (30:04):
gonna go get a soda. So Layla and Dean could say
goodbye, and so they find outlayla's not healed, but you
know, she's pretty much acceptedwhat's going on with her. She
doesn't seem to be angry or sador anything. But you can tell
Dean still just doesn't feelright about how everything went
down, and he even asked Sam ifthey did the right thing.
Whenever Sam gets back to theroom, but before Layla leaves,
(30:28):
Dean tells her that he's not thepraying type, but that he's
going to pray for her. That wasso sweet. Yeah, it was. And
that's basically what happenedin faith, yeah? So no bore in
this.
LA (30:43):
No, I liked it, though, because it's such a play on so
many things we've seen in movieswith the old day, like healers
and the tent and all that. Yes,it was cool. I liked and then
pulling in the Reaper, I likedit. It wasn't. It wasn't a too
much of a mess. Yeah,
Berly (30:59):
it was. It was a good episode. It's not like bugs,
where I'd be like, don't watchit at all. I
LA (31:04):
don't ever want to talk about that, like, you
Berly (31:06):
could just skip that episode. Like I wouldn't say,
nothing, yeah, nothing. Iwouldn't say skip this one. But
it's definitely not in like mytop five as far as what we Yeah,
so far. I agree, so. But it was,it was okay, yeah. Now what
about the lore? Well, the
LA (31:24):
lore, of course, we got to talk about that Reaper. Okay.
Well, as you're watching it, youend up hearing the song, fear
the Reaper,
Berly (31:34):
Blue Oyster, Colt, right?
Yes, I
LA (31:36):
think you're right, yeah.
And as we know in the in theshow, it's the Reaper, not the
Reaper times after them, which Iwas like, Oh, I only thought
there was the one. So who knew?
Did you know? Is
Berly (31:50):
that, like actual lore, or is that just supernatural
lore? Well,
LA (31:54):
I was just going to go over the Grim Reaper that we know of.
I feel like that most peopleknow. So, yeah, because, I mean,
Berly (32:00):
I don't think there's, I think that's just supernatural
lore. Is that there's multipleReapers? Oh, okay, okay,
LA (32:06):
we probably should have looked into, I should have, as
we know. So the Reaper in thatshow, he was, I think, you know,
you mentioned earlier, like, hismakeup and everything was so
good, yeah? And it was reallyjust his face, because he was in
the full body, like black suit.
But then he had this, like crazywhite, wrinkled face that looked
super creepy, prune face. Pruneface.
Berly (32:30):
Prune face is the name of the guy from Dick Tracy. That's,
yeah, he
LA (32:33):
was, like a a prune faced Reaper, yeah. Um. So anyway, as
we all know, they say that, youknow, the only thing in life
that certain is death and taxes.
You know, we fill out the formscodes we circle april 15 on our
calendars. We have to send inall our taxes, the pain in the
(32:54):
ass. So we all know about taxes,but we all don't know about
death necessarily. We know it'scoming,
Berly (33:04):
right? We know everybody's gonna have
LA (33:06):
it, yeah. But you know, don't know until you meet him or
her, him or them, them, yeah,according to biologists, death
is the total cessation of lifeprocesses that eventually occurs
in all living things.
Unfortunately, that definitiondoesn't paint a vivid picture.
It doesn't tell us what it'slike today, what it's like to
(33:28):
feel, to die, what we'll see,what we'll do, where are we
going to go? All that whichdon't get excited because we
don't know, right? Just go andbuy an article.
Berly (33:42):
What article is it? It is
LA (33:44):
from how stuff works. Okay, this is what I think popular
culture and everything I don'teven know. We see it as the Grim
Reaper coming for us, yeah, andhe, it's usually a male figure,
male looking figure that iscloaked in black. He has this
(34:05):
scythe. Yeah, is that how yousay it? And he is the
personification of death, likeany
Berly (34:12):
I was just a skeleton. I don't associate that with a man
or woman, but yeah, I
LA (34:16):
guess I totally referred to as he, yeah, well, and I've seen
it. I say I've seen it, but likein movie interpretations of what
it is, it seems like it's alwaysmale, yeah,
Berly (34:25):
except for Sandman,
LA (34:27):
true, Neil Gaiman, that
Berly (34:30):
Neil Gaiman,
LA (34:32):
we all know who he is when we see him, he comes for every
person. Hourglass in hand. Whenthat last which, when I was
thinking about it, I usuallyjust think the like you said
skeleton, black clothes, yeah,but this one said hourglass at
hand, and when that last grainof sand falls, that's when he
comes for you, and he collectsyour soul with a well practiced
(34:54):
cut of his razor sharp blade.
And it says, it may not bepleasant, but it's clear and
unmistakable. But I again, andlots of the interpretations I've
seen, it's not like that. Inever it's like they go with
him, they just walk off withhim.
Berly (35:06):
Yeah, I know put the two and two together that he's gonna
use the side, right?
LA (35:10):
I thought it was just a prop he just got with him in case, in
case, anybody comes to stop youtrying to die, you know. But
ultimately, what we know of theGrim Reaper, his job, his her.
They'd job is to put a humanface, human face on the concept
of death. But why did humansfeel compelled to make the Grim
(35:31):
Reaper so grim? Why not make hima friendly, helpful guide into
the underworld? You know, like,Hey guys, come on. You're going
to heaven. Or, who knows whereit's in this article, which I
liked, it said, and why, forthat matter, does it have to be
a guy? Yeah? You know, almost inall cultures and religions,
humans were first created as amortal beings who fell from
(35:54):
their state of perfection, true.
Yeah. For example, there was thefall of Adam and Eve, the
classic example, which it was inthe book of Genesis, which, hey,
I did not know. I didn't readthe Bible. I'm a terrible
person, but it's in the book ofGenesis. I know
Berly (36:10):
where you're going. Shut up.
LA (36:13):
God created Adam and Eve to take care of the world, and
basically, I didn't to harvestit, harvest the fruit from any
tree that they were justsupposed to tend to the earth,
but as we know, they were alsosupposed to populate Earth. But
I'm like, okay, so we can putthem there to harvest and take,
(36:34):
tend to the earth, but alsopopulate it. But how are they
going to do that withoutlearning from the tree of
knowledge that they're supposedto stick it in.
Berly (36:44):
I think that they would have figured it out. You think,
what was that movie with BrookeShields where they got
abandoned? They figured it out.
LA (36:51):
Oh, yeah. But, like, we shouldn't be talking about
religion, things, issues,whatever. There was the tree of
knowledge. God said, you know,tend to the earth, just don't
ever eat or do anything with thetree of knowledge. But of
course, we know Satan came as aserpent, tricked even to eating
(37:12):
the fruit. And then, of course,this evil woman came to Adam and
made him eat the fruit. Yep,we're just devious, I know. And
as their punishment fordisobeying God, Adam and Eve
experienced both spiritual andphysical death. So I think that,
I mean, most Christian peopleknow that's kind of where the
(37:33):
groom or the Reaper, I guess wewould say, came from, because
Eve really fucked. Everything'sup. Everything up like women do.
Berly (37:40):
So the Reapers in the Bible? No, but it's basically
LA (37:44):
the concept of death. Oh, worse, like, originally
everybody was mortal. See, I
Berly (37:48):
always thought that we were punished for the original
sin, because that's what periodswere.
LA (37:53):
No, no, no, you
Berly (37:54):
just can't you just have to die. We all have to die.
Yeah, exactly. Got it,
LA (37:59):
according to this article, I want to focus on the Grim
Reaper. And as we said before, Ijust wanted to say, like, that's
where, what I know of the originof death came from. Anyway.
Berly (38:10):
Gotcha, that's why we're not immortal, right?
LA (38:16):
Which? How many of you, if a vampire came along, would make
that choice, you know,
Berly (38:22):
I would that should be a pole.
LA (38:25):
I would do Yep, even though seeing all the movies and like,
what was it
Berly (38:29):
all the lessons that we've learned yeah from these
vampire things, still say yeah,nope. I'd still say yes in a
heartbeat.
LA (38:35):
Anyway, the approach taken by the Greeks who named Death
Thanatos, Thanatos, which I waslike Thanos. Thanatos was the
prince twin brother of hyphnos,h, y, p, N, O, S, hyphnos, sure.
He was the god of sleep, whichthen this started getting me
(38:56):
into, like, Sandman territory.
Yeah, he was the god of sleep.
And both were portrayed asyoung, pleasant men. Thanos
appears with wings andextinguished fire. His job was
to accompany the departed toHades, which was the Greek
underworld, and Thanatos woulddeliver the souls to Sharon, the
(39:17):
ferryman of on the River Styx.
And in this version, Death isn'tugly and frightening, but
attractive and helpful. Whydidn't we just keep it that way?
Right? You know?
Berly (39:27):
Why is it gotta be so scary? It's scary enough that
you don't know where you'regoing, yeah?
LA (39:32):
But there were feminine versions of death that also
occurred in Norse mythology,though, there we go, the
Valkyries. Oh, yeah, which Ididn't. I knew the Valkyries
were a group of women likewarriors, but I didn't know
this, but they're beautifulyoung women who served as both
odins, messengers and escorts tothe souls of warriors killed in
(39:55):
battle, which their name means,choosers of the slain. But.
Choosers. Choosers, okay, yeah,of the slain, because during
battle, they would ride upon thetheir winged horses and survey
the field and select bravewarriors to die, and then they
would transport their souls toValhalla, which is odins
Berly (40:14):
Hall, right? Because dying in battle was like an
honor, I think,
LA (40:20):
okay, and but this was interesting. Once in the
afterlife, the brave souls wereenlisted to fight in the Battle
of Ragnarok, the apocalypticconflict signaling the end of
the world, which I'm like,they're at rest, yeah, don't
pull them into battle. I mean,they are good to go. So that's
just like some history and likemythology of where it came from,
(40:41):
but I think in our modern day,it more came from the Middle
Ages. In the middle medievalera, plague, yeah, yes, yeah.
During the 14th century, atleast 25 million people died in
the initial outbreak of theplague, and millions more
continued to die in theoutbreaks that flared for
(41:02):
centuries. So I think in thisera is where the skeleton came
in and the black cloak and allthat,
Berly (41:11):
which makes sense, yeah, exactly because that was scary,
the bright I would imaginepeople were really scared, and
that that's probably why itstarted to become more of a kind
of thing coming to
LA (41:23):
get you right at first, in artwork anyway, it would appear
as a skeleton, and they would beholding a dart crossbow or some
other kind of weapon. Buteventually it was replaced with
the scythe, which I didn't knowwas a mowing tool. Yeah,
Berly (41:40):
they use that cut through long grass, almost
LA (41:43):
like a machete on a stick.
Yes, yeah. But a lot ofpaintings that after this all
happened, showed death swinging.
I shouldn't. Why am I laughing?
What's wrong with me? Show deathswinging the scythe through a
crowd of people, mowing downsouls as if they were green.
Well, I mean 25
Berly (42:04):
million people. I mean true. I understand why this was
out. That's true,
LA (42:08):
yeah. And then or standing beside a one young woman at her
death. And there was also thenotion that death could interact
with the living and tempt themto the grave, which is hence the
dance of the death, or dancemacabre. Macabre, macabre,
macabre. I never heard ofmacabre, where skeletons are
(42:30):
shown dancing and cavorting withpeople from all walks of life.
So that was where the artworkand everything came from. But
obviously, we knows andskeletons came from the plague.
Because, I mean, people are justlike, I don't have to rot. Ended
up skeletons. The black cloakwas associated with obviously
deaf and death and mourning.
People were black to funerals.
(42:53):
You know, they're transported indark curses. And I mean, black
is usually associated with evilforces, you know, so the scythe,
in earlier renderings, the REAP,like I said, it's usually an
arrow or Dart, or this saysspears or crossbows, but the
scythe became the maininstrument that stays with us
(43:16):
today, I guess, like you weresaying, it's like we used it to
harvest our crops, and he usedit to harvest souls, yeah, so,
and then the hourglass, like Isaid, I don't really correlate
with it makes sense. Makessense, yeah? Which is, you know,
the hourglass has two bulbscontaining sand. It takes an
(43:38):
hour to pour from the upperbulb, which, you know, basically
gives somebody the last hour oftheir time, and then once it's
up, he moves that scythe, andyou're gone. As we were saying.
We We thought it was weird,because they say the Reaper in
the show, just a Reaper, but weonly, I don't know about you,
but for me, for me, anyway,before the show, I was like, I
(44:01):
only knew the grin Grim Reaper,yeah, like a big daddy, right?
So apparently, from the book ofRevelation, they're the Four
Horsemen that appear to ushercalamities signaling into the
world. And it's pestilence, war,famine and death. So of the
four, death is the one that'sexplicitly named. He rides a
(44:23):
pale horse, which I thought wasweird, because you would think
it was black. Well, so thisarticle actually says he rides a
pale horse, which is ofteninterpreted as green, pale
green, which is the color ofdisease and decay, which is what
was going on in the plague. Butdeath, shown as the Reaper
himself, is, as we've said, theblack cloak a grinning skull,
which creepy? Yeah, supercreepy. The seeth held ready,
(44:47):
and the grizzly work ahead. And,you know, that's what we know,
the Grim Reaper. There's a lotmore to it with as far as like,
theories and different religionsand interpretations, but I.
Yeah, I just kind of touched onwhat I guess I know of in
popular culture or whatever.
Berly (45:05):
Well, close it out. I've got a quote from Dean earlier in
the episode that gave me alittle chuckle. He said that
fabric softener teddy bear. Oh,I'm gonna hunt that little bitch
down. Cheers. Thank you forlistening to denim wrapped
LA (45:24):
nightmares. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram, leave a
review and let us know how wecan get involved in the fandom.
Berly (45:32):
This was fun,
LA (45:33):
jerk. It always is, bitch.
You.
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode,
LA (00:10):
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we
adore about the Winchesters andtheir adventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.
Berly (00:28):
We are officially halfway through the first season.
LA (00:31):
I can't believe it.
Berly (00:33):
It's going so fast. I followed a bunch of supernatural
fandom accounts on Twitter, andI've been reading posts and
looking at posts, and the newshow the Winchesters is amazing,
by the way, so we should,apparently watch that when we
finish this. Okay, just basedoff of what I'm seeing. And I've
(00:54):
seen some other things that arepotentially spoiler, spoilers
that I don't really understand.
I've seen some things that arespoilers that I do understand
because, well, you know that I,like actually started paying
attention whenever I watched itthe first time about halfway
through the series. So towardthe end of part of the series, I
(01:14):
do know some things. Okay, sofar, our blood splooge count
that we started on episode one.
Yeah, we're not doing so well.
There's just the one bloodsplooge so far from the pilot, a
super gory show, not so far, butI know at some point blood
splooges Do come into being abigger part of this series.
Yeah, I just assumed it was theentire series, but I guess it's
(01:38):
not going to happen until lateron.
LA (01:40):
Okay,
Berly (01:41):
so we've got the little course. Another thing I learned
on Twitter is that there areJared or Sam girls who are all
about Yeah, all about Jared,Padalecki or Sam, and then there
are Dean and Jensen girls, whoare all about Yeah, and they're
(02:02):
divided, and they'll be mean toeach other, really good. I
didn't like that, right? Iactually think that team that's
that'll be our team. I like themboth. Yeah, I don't want to pick
one or the other. I really likethem both. And there are, uh,
wind zest shippers out there,oh, oh no, yes, no, no, no, were
(02:26):
Sam and Dean doing
LA (02:27):
Targaryen style? Yes.
Berly (02:31):
So that was something new. That was just like, Oh,
wow. Okay, so, yeah, so I I'mnot a shipper, but I do like
both Sam and Dean as well asboth Jensen Ackles and Jared
Padalecki. Me too. There is anofficial supernatural rewatch
show called supernatural thenand now, hosted by a couple of
(02:52):
guys who will be on the showlater. And I tried to listen to
that first episode was reallycool. Jared and Jensen were
talking about filming the pilot.
They use real fire when theyfilmed that, so that was
interesting. And then theystarted talking about the lore,
and I was like, oh, no, that'swhat we do. And then I started
trying to listen to the secondepisode, and they made the same
(03:13):
joke about the Windigo Ate MyBaby. Stop it. That's my thing,
I know. So I stopped, because Idon't want to know.
LA (03:26):
My aunt and I always joke and talk about that a thing goes
so my baby,
Berly (03:30):
right? But they're the same age as us, so I guess it's
bound to happen that they'regonna make some of the same
jokes. But I don't that's such aboundary. I don't want to know
about it, though. So I stoppedlistening to the show. It was
really good, though, I will saythat. So if you're looking for
another supernatural show tolisten to supernatural then and
now, I recommend it based off ofthe one and a half episodes I
(03:52):
heard. But I don't want tolisten to any more, because I
don't want to be influenced bythem bringing something up and
me being like, Oh yeah, butthey're way far ahead of us. Oh
yeah. So that's not that big ofa deal. I just, I still don't
want to know. And then the otherthing I've learned is that there
are a lot of queer fans in thesupernatural fandom. We hope
(04:12):
this is a safe space. Yeah,yeah. We, you know, love is love
here. Just be you. Yes. We'rejust a couple of old boy crazy
millennial idiots. We are nothateful. We are loving loving
Old Broads, and we never intendto offend anybody. No, no, no,
(04:35):
no. So if one of us sayssomething ignorant,
LA (04:38):
please, I know I can be ignorant at times, yeah, please
gently correct me, or, you know,feel free to enlighten me kind
way.
Berly (04:48):
Yeah, but yeah, I do want to know behind the scenes stuff.
So we would like the fandom tolet us know that stuff too,
because I thought I would beable to listen to that other
podcast and get some cool stuff.
But like, No, I can't. I. Yeah,no, they made the same Dingo
joke,
Unknown (05:02):
so I just bummed about that.
Berly (05:05):
But yeah, we're halfway through the first season. It's
crazy. So let's touch basereally quickly on where we were
last week with the episode ofscarecrow. Yes, before we get
into this week's episode faith.
LA (05:22):
So that episode we, as we mentioned, we liked that. It
kind of picked up right afterthe last episode where there has
been some tensions between theboys, the brothers, basically
they hear from dad. Dad says,Trust me, don't come find me,
but here's this job I'm sendingyou on. And then they find out
these couples have been missingin this Indiana town. Well,
(05:45):
couples from all over, but theyend up missing after they've
been in this one particulartown. And it ends up being that
the whole town is in on it, andthey're basically sacrificing
these got these couples thathave passed through to this
pagan god that is in the form ofa scarecrow, and this apple
orchard, kind of on theoutskirts of town, Sam eats up
(06:06):
with this other hitchhiker girl,and they bond over their kind of
same similar stories of familyand trying to do it their own
way, instead of doing the familyway. And Sam ends up saving the
day with Dean helping him totake down the Scarecrow and
basically burn down the treethat was connected to the
(06:28):
Scarecrow to get rid of him. Andthen at the end, we learned that
the hitchhiker that Sam was withMeg has got some she's something
evil. Shit going on. Yeah,
Berly (06:39):
we don't know what. Yeah, she
LA (06:41):
sliced a guy's throat to get the blood, and then made a call,
swirling her finger in theblood. She
Berly (06:46):
made a collect call, yeah.
LA (06:52):
She said that she didn't know why she had to let Sam go.
She said she could have takenboth of them on. And then she
listened to something wecouldn't hear. And she was like,
Yes, father, yes,
Berly (07:01):
yeah. So how is it, who's my ex? Daddy? Yeah, that's the
question. It's
LA (07:06):
a very quick recap, yes.
Well, this
Berly (07:09):
week, we watched the episode called Faith, yes, and
it wasn't one of my favorites sofar. Yeah, it was an it was a
good episode, I guess.
LA (07:20):
But one of the concepts in it, I kind of like, as far as
the lore goes, yeah. But otherthan that, yeah,
Berly (07:28):
it's all right, yeah. And then the beginning, I was super
confused. So when the episodefirst starts out, yeah, yeah.
The episode first starts out, wesee Dean and Sam pull up to a
house, and they are going totheir trunk and talking about
getting these tasers, 100,000volts, and they're going in
after what was apparently calleda raw hide, which is a type of
(07:51):
monster that dwells in basementsand, like eats children or
something. They aren't tellingus any of this, though, yeah, I
only know this from what Ilooked up, so we know they need
100,000 volts for something. Sothey're getting that out of the
trunk. They go into the house,they immediately go down into
the basement, open this cabinet,and there's two adorable little
(08:12):
children in there, and they ask,is it still here? And the kids
are like, yes, yes. They get thekids out of the cabinet, and as
always, Dean hands them off toSam, and says, Sam, you get them
out of
LA (08:24):
here. He's got to be like his daddy.
Berly (08:27):
So Sam goes upstairs. He has the kids going in front of
him, and something reachesbetween the steps, grabs Sam's
ankle. Sam busts his ass downthe stairs pretty hard, yeah.
Dean runs around behind thestairs, shoots his taser. That's
one shot that they told us thatwhen they were going to get out
of the trunk, one shot. Anddoesn't get the monster. So Sam
(08:49):
gives him his Taser andcontinues to get the kids out of
the house. Then Dean is battlingthe monster. There's a flood,
flooding, or something going onin this basement, because all of
a sudden, there's all this waterthat Dean is standing in, and
the monster comes toward him,and he gets it with the taser.
But by the time he hits themonster, it too is standing in
(09:11):
the water, and Dean is fucked.
He is also getting shocked with100,000 volts. At this point,
LA (09:17):
he should have worn rubber shoes, rubber boots, or just got
the fuck out of the water,right? Yeah. I
Berly (09:22):
mean, goodness gracious.
So Sam comes running downstairs,finds Dean unconscious, gets him
to a hospital. At the hospital,the doctor basically tells Sam
that whatever happened triggereda massive heart attack, there's
irreparable damage, and thatDean has, like, two weeks to
live,
LA (09:43):
maybe a month, I think he said, which is great. He's so
young and for I mean, what doesthat do to like people like when
cops taste people, I guessthey're probably not in water,
Berly (09:54):
and it's probably, well, 100,000 volts. I doubt it's that
they specifically said that, um.
I mean, I've been, I've gotten ajolt here and there, so I can't
imagine it's 100,000 volts,though, like, they specifically
said that. So I think thatthat's probably not normal,
right?
LA (10:14):
Yeah, well and water really didn't have much to do with it.
I
Berly (10:17):
don't know. So Sam is like, we are going to get you
better. We are going to figureit out. And Dean is basically
just accepting that he's donefor he's talking to Sam about
taking the car, take care of it.
You know, this is the gig I'mdone. And it's just like, Dean,
you're terrified to get on aplane. You were terrified to go
(10:38):
back to your family home, but inthe face of, hey, you're gonna
die in a couple of weeks. You'rejust chill. It's gonna happen.
Yeah, just accepts it. Justfine. Whatever good. He's a
complicated guy. He is that DeanWinchester, well, Sam refuses to
accept this. He doesn't give ashit that Dean is acting like
he's chill. Dean is makingjokes. Sam's like, Oh yeah, you
(11:01):
laugh in the face of death.
They're like, I'm not fuckingbuying it. And he starts getting
on the horn and contactingpeople that their dad knows,
trying to find what's our nextoption here. Dean checks himself
out of the hotel, or not out ofthe hotel, out of the hospital,
and comes to the hotel, and it'sbeen, I think they said three
(11:22):
days. It's been, it's been a fewdays, a couple of days, two or
three days. So Sam has managedto find somebody who had a lead
on a faith healer. Dane lookslike shit, by the way, I'd still
hit it.
LA (11:35):
Well, yeah, but I mean, he still looks, you know, he's
still him, but he, he's
Berly (11:40):
still fond of sick version of it. He had some bags
under his eyes, boo hoo. I'dstill hit it real hot again. Sam
found out about this faithhealer, and it's in Nebraska.
Dean is, you know, being askeptic, like, Are you fucking
kidding me? Sam's No, we'regoing, yeah. So Sam gets Dean
(12:03):
and the Impala, and they go toNebraska. And Sam is so cute
whenever they get to the faithhealer place, like he wants to
run around the car and go openthe door for Dean and wants to
help Dean walk. And Dean's justlike, Get off of me. And it's so
cute watching Sam try to takecare of his big brother. They
get into the faith healer tentafter they pass some people who
(12:28):
are true believers, and there'sthis one guy out there who's a
skeptic, and there's a couple ofcops out there who were kind of
trying to tell the skeptic,like, get out of here. But they
aren't really making him leave.
So they're walking past this.
They get into the tent. Deannotices that there's a security
camera in there, and he's like,Oh, yeah. Like, really, really
good. Here. They're reallytrustworthy people here. They've
(12:49):
got security cameras on theirtrack. And he tries to take a
seat at the back. And Sam'slike, no, no, front row, baby.
LA (12:56):
Yeah. We're
Berly (12:57):
not sitting back here.
We're going to the front. So Samdrags Dean up to the front, and
they go and sit down immediatelybehind Layla, who is a young
blonde that they met outside thetent. And she's played by Julie
Benz, yes, from Angel andDexter. I
LA (13:15):
forgot about Angel.
Berly (13:16):
What else was she in?
Some other stuff. She's been ona lot of stuff. There
LA (13:19):
was some other show she was in with another blonde too, when
they were younger. I want tosay, I can't remember. She did a
bunch of, a bunch of TV stuff,yeah, for the most part, I want
to
Berly (13:29):
say Dean. Basically, he makes, I don't remember exactly
what he said, and I didn't writeit down, but he says something
along the lines of, like, hehe'd hit that. So he thinks
Layla is pretty he likes, helikes Layla. He
LA (13:40):
likes the Julie Bens, yes.
So they
Berly (13:43):
sit behind her. The preacher is starting his sermon,
or the faith healer, whateveryou want to call him. His name's
Roy LaGrange, which is a greatname. I'm pretty sure Lagrange
isn't that as easy top song. Yousaid that when we were watching
it. I didn't know. Hang on. Letme google it, Lagrange with an
LA. Roy was Lagrange with an LA,yeah. Oh, I
LA (14:06):
thought his was la too. La range.
Berly (14:09):
Um, which, speaking of ZZ, top Lagrange. I've still
been very happy with the music
LA (14:14):
I know. As we were talking about it, I was like, what is
their budget for the songs inthis season or in the show?
Yeah? Because, like you said, itwas like low budget, but I can't
imagine the songs that arethey're using are cheap. I wish
good songs, yeah. I mean, notthat I know anything about any
of that, but
Berly (14:33):
some good music, though.
Yeah. Anyway, so Roy is startinghis sermon, what have you, and
he is telling everybody that theLord helps me see into people's
hearts
LA (14:47):
Yes, because he he is blind, yes, which we find out why
later, yeah. We
Berly (14:52):
find out why in a little bit. But that is that is
important to know that he isblind, yeah. After he says that,
Dean leans over to Sam and says.
Is Yeah, and people's wallets,or something along those lines,
and their money, yeah, yeah. Andthe preacher hears him, calls
him out, yes. He's like, whatwas that? And Dean's just like,
oh, sorry, just kidding. And hemade a joke about, just be
(15:13):
careful what you say in front ofpeople, blind people, blind
people who might have reallysharp here they've got the
LA (15:21):
sharp. Yeah, there are other senses, right? Yeah, duh, Dean.
Berly (15:26):
Well, anyway, from this little interaction, Roy ends up
deciding Dean is who he's gonnaheal today. So he calls Dean up
to the front. And at first, Deanis trying to tell him, pick
somebody else. I'm not abeliever. Pick someone else. And
Sam's like, fuck, you knowyou're going get up there. Dean
goes up to the front, and Roy ispraying, and he tells everybody
(15:50):
under the tent to pray withthem. And he puts his hands on
Dean, and you can see Dean'sweak knees start getting weak,
and he falls down, and he kindof passes out for a second,
yeah, and Sam goes running up tothe stage to check on his
brother. And when Dean comes tohe sees Roy standing there, and
there's just, it's happensreally quickly that there's
(16:12):
something. There's another manstanding behind Roy.
LA (16:16):
He's like, in all black, but his face is kind of like, white
blur, yeah, white blur.
Berly (16:21):
Or he was like, he looks like a prune. He looked like
that one bad guy from DickTracy. Oh, yeah, yeah, you
LA (16:26):
said that. Yeah, yeah. He
Berly (16:27):
had like, wrinkles, like a Sharpe or something, yeah,
and, but he did have on a niceblack suit, but the guy like
fades away into, into, he'sfuzzy, yeah? Zane doesn't get
like, a very good look at him,but he got enough of a look that
he knew something wasrecognized. Yeah, then they go
back to the hospital and thedoctor confirms Dean is healed.
(16:48):
So whatever Roy did, it fuckingworked, but Dean just does not
feel right about it. You cantell he's uncomfortable. He does
not like what happened. So hedecides he's gonna go back and
talk to LaGrange, as well as hiswife, Sue Ann. That's when they
tell the story about howLagrange had cancer, and after
(17:12):
praying and falling into a comaand all this drama, he woke up
and was suddenly healed, andthat if he hadn't gone blind
from the cancer, you never wouldhave known that anything had
ever happened. Now, while Deanis talking to Lagrange and his
wife, Sam goes and checks outthe death of a man that was
mysteriously happened at thesame time they were at La
(17:36):
Grange's tent, and it was thisswimmer who just basically
dropped dead of a heart attack,and it turns out it happened at
the exact same time Dean washealed because the clock stopped
in the pool when leavinglagranges house, after talking
to him and his wife, Dean runsinto Layla and her mom a bit,
(17:56):
and her mother is dramatic. Sheis very upset that Dean was
chosen over her daughterwhenever he just showed up on
his first day and got chosen.
Her and Layla have apparentlybeen showing up for months every
single day to every singleservice, and it turns out that
Layla has a brain tumor that'sinoperable, and she's been given
six months to live. Layla ispretty much resolved and just
(18:22):
chill about the whole thing, buther mom is again, being very
dramatic. She like, starts toget this monolog where she steps
off to the side and it's like,Who are you talking to? There's
literally nobody in front ofher. And Layla puts her hand on
her shoulders, just like, chillthe fuck out, mom. Now we're in
the tent and LaGrange, Lagrangeis healing another person, and
(18:43):
we actually get to see this timewhat's happening as he's healing
this one person who has somesort of respiratory issue, like
they have what's it called,yeah, he
LA (18:55):
had a tank on with the the tubes in his nose and
everything, yeah,
Berly (18:59):
so I'm guessing emphysema or something, something like
that. Yeah. And while they'rethey're kind of cutting back and
forth between these two scenes,what's going on in the tent, and
this adorable young woman outfor a jog, and she's got her
little headphones in, and she'sjogging, and she spots the guy
that Dean had seen, kind of inthe woods, and she's kind of
(19:20):
like, what the is going on?
Takes off her earbuds, is tryingto be aware, trying to get away,
trying to run, and then suddenlyhe's in front of her. And this
was pretty cool. I like whatthey did with the eyes, the
effect of on the eyes, yeah,when the where do you
LA (19:37):
put it, like, on the side of their head? I feel like, yeah,
Berly (19:40):
he put his hands on, kind of like the doctor did in the
asylum episode. He was onehanded. Oh, was he put a one,
put a hand on her face and hereyes, they just kind of like
filmed over with kind of thiswhite or green, and her skin got
very pale, like, basically thelife was getting drained out of
her from this person. In Yeah.
And as that's happening,Lagrange is healing the guy with
(20:02):
the oxygen tank, Sam looksthrough newspaper clippings.
We're back at the newspaperslooking at the people who were
healed versus people who died onthe days they were healed. And
he makes the connection thatwhoever died would die of
whatever afflicted the Healedperson. So the day that Dean was
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healed, that swimmer died from aheart attack, the day that this
old guy was healed, that joggerdied from upper respiratory
issues. And so they kind of makethe connection that it's trading
life for a life, and they'retaking the healthy person and
giving their health to the sickperson, or something like that.
(20:42):
Dean puts two and two together.
The only thing that can give andtake life like that is a Reaper.
Well, don't
LA (20:50):
they clear up that it's a Reaper, not like the one that we
know of, right?
Berly (20:56):
Yeah, one of them says something about, oh, it's the,
like, the green Grim Reaper. Andthey're like, No, it's a Reaper.
So yeah, they do say that. AndDean just kind of figures out,
you must only be able to see itwhen it's coming for you,
because I saw it, and then itwas gone. And Sam remembers that
there was a unique cross on thetable at the end in the faith
(21:20):
healer tent that just stood outto him, and it was the same
symbol that was on the deathtarot card that they happen to
have. So they kind of put twoand two together. Okay, they're
somehow using this at first,Dean says, Well, this person's
killing people. That's amonster. So as far as I'm
(21:42):
concerned, we go take them out.
And Sam says, No, we're notgoing to go and kill a human.
We're going to figure out howthey're controlling the Reaper
and break the spell. And they'rethinking, it's Lagrange who must
be doing this, that he must betied in it. So they say, Okay,
let's go back. There's a blackaltar they have. They have to
have a black altar in order tocontrol the Reaper. Sam is like,
(22:03):
I'm gonna break and enter intotheir home, find the altar. Fuck
it up. Dean is like, Okay, I'mgoing to go and figure out a way
to stall and try to keep themfrom healing somebody else so
that we don't have somebody elsedie. They go back to the site,
and the tent is right next to LaGrange's home. Sam breaks and
enters into the home. He goesinto this office, and there are
(22:25):
these bookshelves that are dustyas fuck. I was like,
LA (22:30):
That is excessive dust. It
Berly (22:32):
looked like sawdust.
Yeah, it
LA (22:33):
was thick.
Berly (22:34):
It was, yeah, it was a lot. And there's one book on the
shelf that there's no dust. SoSam figures out, well, this one
has been taken out way morerecently than the rest. Takes
the book out, flips through it,and then he finds a smaller book
behind so he tosses the otherbook on the floor. I remember
LA (22:51):
we were watching it, and you were like, did he just toss that
on the floor? And I said, No,Surely not. But then sure
enough, you hear that the good.
Berly (22:57):
And there's this tiny book that he takes out and he's
flipping through it. Andobviously this is a spell book
there. You can see that this iswhat is being used, the symbol,
the same crust symbol is inthere, and everything. And
there's all these newspaperclippings, and they are for the
people who died that theyfigured out, died at the same
time as the people who werehealed. But these newspaper
(23:19):
clippings are different, becausethis is talking about the people
like their lives. One of themwas gay. One of them was it said
I saw the word abortion clinic.
I didn't see exactly what, somaybe they were one of like an
escort at an investor abortionclinic or anything. So, L, O, B,
G, T, Q, and pro choice.
LA (23:40):
Oh so terrible. Well, in the last one he sees is the it says
it shows the picture of the guy,and it says, This church is a
cult, and it's the guy from thevery beginning that was in
Berly (23:52):
the the protester, yeah, yeah, yeah, the protester we
saw. So Dean, in the meantime,is in the tent, and Layla gets
picked and he is conflicted fora second. You can tell he is
conflicted for just a second.
But then he decides, no, youknow my job is I have to save
this, or I have to stall, I haveto stop this. So it cuts to Sam
(24:12):
in the parking lot now, and hesees the protesters screaming
and running from something.
Obviously he can't see theReaper because it's not coming
for him, but the protester cansee the Reaper, and he is
terrified. So Sam is trying tohelp the protester, and Dean
manages to distract everybody byyelling fire and getting
(24:36):
everyone to leave the tent andstopping layla's healing. Yes,
so Layla does not get healed,and you can tell Dean feels like
a real piece of shit because ofit. Everybody's running out of
the tent, except for Sue Ann.
Turns out it wasn't LaGrange, itwas the wife all along. She's
off to the side like saying somesort of chant, and Dean goes
(24:56):
over and is like, what? Youdoing? And I thought this was
really funny. She like, had hernecklace facing the wrong way,
turns the necklace around, andthen goes, Oh yeah, and sticks
the necklace in her shirt, like,I didn't want you to see that.
And it's like, why'd you turnthe necklace around? Yeah,
LA (25:17):
it was really awkward. It was like, she could have just
loved it where it was, where hedidn't see, yeah. Why was that?
But then she was like, no, let'sshow you, and then hide it.
Let's
Berly (25:25):
make sure you see that is the symbol, and then I'll hide
it. And then she goes, Officerhelp. And the two douchebag
officers from the sheriff'soffice kind of, yeah, where were
they? They just pop out frombehind the corner, like they
were just suddenly there. Andthey tell Dean, get out of here
(25:45):
and, like, toss him off. Butthey did save the protester guy
and Sue Ann follows themoutside. It's now Sam and Dean,
and she's basically like, I'mnot gonna press charges. You're
gonna get what's coming. TheLord will make sure you get
what's coming to you. She sayssomething along those lines,
yes. Dean tries to explain toLayla that she should not try to
(26:08):
get healed, that there'ssomething going on. He can't
fully explain it, but just don'tdo it. And she's basically like,
fuck you. I'm gonna try and gethealed, which, I mean, can't
blame her, right? I do the samething. I'm Team Layla all the
way. I would totally be doing itthe same way. So she says, I'm
getting a private session latertonight, and it's pretty clear,
Lagrange has no idea what'sgoing on. He honestly thinks
(26:29):
he's healing people, which isjust so sad, so
LA (26:32):
sad. And I feel that was the saddest thing about it is like
he truly thought he had thisgift, and his wife was just
manipulating him the whole time,yeah, especially the fact that
he's blind and couldn't see,necessarily
Berly (26:43):
sad. Yeah. So Sam has that little book that he took
from the office, and that's whenthey figure out, okay, there's a
black altar. She's got somethingwith human blood and all that,
and that's how she's controllinghim. So that's when they decide,
okay, we gotta go destroy thisblack altar.
LA (26:59):
Gotta find it first.
Berly (27:00):
So they go back to the revival thing, yet again and yet
again. Sam is like, I'm breakingan inner ring. And Dean goes to
the tent. Sam finds a littlebasement thing.
LA (27:15):
No, no storm shelter. Is
Berly (27:16):
that? What it was?
Remember
LA (27:18):
the last episode, it was the same thing. And we were like, we
see those as like a stormshelter,
Berly (27:22):
but it goes down to the basement. He goes in there, and
sure enough, there's an altar.
And who is the target? Next it'sDean. There's a picture of Dean
from the security camera thatwas at the beginning of the
episode, and it's got like a redX on it with blood candles and
all this. And Sam says, fuckthis altar and dumps it over.
And then the preacher's wife,Sue Ann comes in, is just like,
(27:42):
sorry Sammy, and locks him inthe basement and just walks off
and leaves him there. But Samhe's gonna get out. Of course,
of course. He's gonna get out.
He's Sam Winchester, so we seehim busting out windows and
doing stuff to get out of there.
LA (27:59):
Did Did it ever show how he got
Berly (28:01):
out? No, it showed him bust out those windows and you
going, he's not gonna fitthrough those teen time windows,
but they cut away, so we didn'tget to see him squeeze through.
Okay, so the Lagrange ishealing, Layla and Dean is out
in the parking lot and kind ofwatching the tent thing, and the
(28:23):
Reaper finds him, and theReaper's laying his hand on
Dean, and the same thing'shappening where we're seeing the
film come over his eyes, andhe's going pale, and all of
that, Sam luckily breaks out,finds Sue Ann, takes that
necklace that she was so carefulto show earlier, rips it off her
neck, throws it on the ground,and it breaks, and that's where
(28:44):
the blood and all that otherstuff was that she needed for
the spell. I
LA (28:47):
thought that was weird, that it was like blood inside and
everything. Yeah, well, they
Berly (28:51):
specifically said she needed somebody's blood and some
other stuff in order to do thespell. Yeah. Okay, so that was
pretty cool. And then the Reaperis obviously very happy he stops
doing what he's doing to Dean.
And he's just like, fuck yeah,I'm free. And so he goes and he
finds Sue Ann. He gives her astroke and kills her because,
you know, she's been using himas a weapon for who knows how
(29:12):
long. But unfortunately, thatmeans Layla did not get healed,
which
LA (29:18):
I was kind of bummed about.
I was like, Well, hey, he tookwhat's Sue Ann, like, Let's
Let's heal. That's
Berly (29:25):
what I was hoping for, is that he just used Sue Ann
instead of Dean, yeah, becauseshe couldn't control him
anymore. But it makes sense thathe just wanted to be done,
right? But then the reason weknow this is because at the end,
it shows Sam and Dean and theirmotel, hotel holiday and packing
up, and Layla comes to visit,and she says that Sam called her
(29:46):
and said that Dean wanted to saygoodbye as the and Sam makes
like the cheesiest, like face inthe back. Yes.
LA (29:55):
I was like, I made you rewind. I was like, Did you see
that face? Like, he was like,yeah. Like, he. Is so proud of
himself, and then he's like, I'm
Berly (30:04):
gonna go get a soda. So Layla and Dean could say
goodbye, and so they find outlayla's not healed, but you
know, she's pretty much acceptedwhat's going on with her. She
doesn't seem to be angry or sador anything. But you can tell
Dean still just doesn't feelright about how everything went
down, and he even asked Sam ifthey did the right thing.
Whenever Sam gets back to theroom, but before Layla leaves,
(30:28):
Dean tells her that he's not thepraying type, but that he's
going to pray for her. That wasso sweet. Yeah, it was. And
that's basically what happenedin faith, yeah? So no bore in
this.
LA (30:43):
No, I liked it, though, because it's such a play on so
many things we've seen in movieswith the old day, like healers
and the tent and all that. Yes,it was cool. I liked and then
pulling in the Reaper, I likedit. It wasn't. It wasn't a too
much of a mess. Yeah,
Berly (30:59):
it was. It was a good episode. It's not like bugs,
where I'd be like, don't watchit at all. I
LA (31:04):
don't ever want to talk about that, like, you
Berly (31:06):
could just skip that episode. Like I wouldn't say,
nothing, yeah, nothing. Iwouldn't say skip this one. But
it's definitely not in like mytop five as far as what we Yeah,
so far. I agree, so. But it was,it was okay, yeah. Now what
about the lore? Well, the
LA (31:24):
lore, of course, we got to talk about that Reaper. Okay.
Well, as you're watching it, youend up hearing the song, fear
the Reaper,
Berly (31:34):
Blue Oyster, Colt, right?
Yes, I
LA (31:36):
think you're right, yeah.
And as we know in the in theshow, it's the Reaper, not the
Reaper times after them, which Iwas like, Oh, I only thought
there was the one. So who knew?
Did you know? Is
Berly (31:50):
that, like actual lore, or is that just supernatural
lore? Well,
LA (31:54):
I was just going to go over the Grim Reaper that we know of.
I feel like that most peopleknow. So, yeah, because, I mean,
Berly (32:00):
I don't think there's, I think that's just supernatural
lore. Is that there's multipleReapers? Oh, okay, okay,
LA (32:06):
we probably should have looked into, I should have, as
we know. So the Reaper in thatshow, he was, I think, you know,
you mentioned earlier, like, hismakeup and everything was so
good, yeah? And it was reallyjust his face, because he was in
the full body, like black suit.
But then he had this, like crazywhite, wrinkled face that looked
super creepy, prune face. Pruneface.
Berly (32:30):
Prune face is the name of the guy from Dick Tracy. That's,
yeah, he
LA (32:33):
was, like a a prune faced Reaper, yeah. Um. So anyway, as
we all know, they say that, youknow, the only thing in life
that certain is death and taxes.
You know, we fill out the formscodes we circle april 15 on our
calendars. We have to send inall our taxes, the pain in the
(32:54):
ass. So we all know about taxes,but we all don't know about
death necessarily. We know it'scoming,
Berly (33:04):
right? We know everybody's gonna have
LA (33:06):
it, yeah. But you know, don't know until you meet him or
her, him or them, them, yeah,according to biologists, death
is the total cessation of lifeprocesses that eventually occurs
in all living things.
Unfortunately, that definitiondoesn't paint a vivid picture.
It doesn't tell us what it'slike today, what it's like to
(33:28):
feel, to die, what we'll see,what we'll do, where are we
going to go? All that whichdon't get excited because we
don't know, right? Just go andbuy an article.
Berly (33:42):
What article is it? It is
LA (33:44):
from how stuff works. Okay, this is what I think popular
culture and everything I don'teven know. We see it as the Grim
Reaper coming for us, yeah, andhe, it's usually a male figure,
male looking figure that iscloaked in black. He has this
(34:05):
scythe. Yeah, is that how yousay it? And he is the
personification of death, likeany
Berly (34:12):
I was just a skeleton. I don't associate that with a man
or woman, but yeah, I
LA (34:16):
guess I totally referred to as he, yeah, well, and I've seen
it. I say I've seen it, but likein movie interpretations of what
it is, it seems like it's alwaysmale, yeah,
Berly (34:25):
except for Sandman,
LA (34:27):
true, Neil Gaiman, that
Berly (34:30):
Neil Gaiman,
LA (34:32):
we all know who he is when we see him, he comes for every
person. Hourglass in hand. Whenthat last which, when I was
thinking about it, I usuallyjust think the like you said
skeleton, black clothes, yeah,but this one said hourglass at
hand, and when that last grainof sand falls, that's when he
comes for you, and he collectsyour soul with a well practiced
(34:54):
cut of his razor sharp blade.
And it says, it may not bepleasant, but it's clear and
unmistakable. But I again, andlots of the interpretations I've
seen, it's not like that. Inever it's like they go with
him, they just walk off withhim.
Berly (35:06):
Yeah, I know put the two and two together that he's gonna
use the side, right?
LA (35:10):
I thought it was just a prop he just got with him in case, in
case, anybody comes to stop youtrying to die, you know. But
ultimately, what we know of theGrim Reaper, his job, his her.
They'd job is to put a humanface, human face on the concept
of death. But why did humansfeel compelled to make the Grim
(35:31):
Reaper so grim? Why not make hima friendly, helpful guide into
the underworld? You know, like,Hey guys, come on. You're going
to heaven. Or, who knows whereit's in this article, which I
liked, it said, and why, forthat matter, does it have to be
a guy? Yeah? You know, almost inall cultures and religions,
humans were first created as amortal beings who fell from
(35:54):
their state of perfection, true.
Yeah. For example, there was thefall of Adam and Eve, the
classic example, which it was inthe book of Genesis, which, hey,
I did not know. I didn't readthe Bible. I'm a terrible
person, but it's in the book ofGenesis. I know
Berly (36:10):
where you're going. Shut up.
LA (36:13):
God created Adam and Eve to take care of the world, and
basically, I didn't to harvestit, harvest the fruit from any
tree that they were justsupposed to tend to the earth,
but as we know, they were alsosupposed to populate Earth. But
I'm like, okay, so we can putthem there to harvest and take,
(36:34):
tend to the earth, but alsopopulate it. But how are they
going to do that withoutlearning from the tree of
knowledge that they're supposedto stick it in.
Berly (36:44):
I think that they would have figured it out. You think,
what was that movie with BrookeShields where they got
abandoned? They figured it out.
LA (36:51):
Oh, yeah. But, like, we shouldn't be talking about
religion, things, issues,whatever. There was the tree of
knowledge. God said, you know,tend to the earth, just don't
ever eat or do anything with thetree of knowledge. But of
course, we know Satan came as aserpent, tricked even to eating
(37:12):
the fruit. And then, of course,this evil woman came to Adam and
made him eat the fruit. Yep,we're just devious, I know. And
as their punishment fordisobeying God, Adam and Eve
experienced both spiritual andphysical death. So I think that,
I mean, most Christian peopleknow that's kind of where the
(37:33):
groom or the Reaper, I guess wewould say, came from, because
Eve really fucked. Everything'sup. Everything up like women do.
Berly (37:40):
So the Reapers in the Bible? No, but it's basically
LA (37:44):
the concept of death. Oh, worse, like, originally
everybody was mortal. See, I
Berly (37:48):
always thought that we were punished for the original
sin, because that's what periodswere.
LA (37:53):
No, no, no, you
Berly (37:54):
just can't you just have to die. We all have to die.
Yeah, exactly. Got it,
LA (37:59):
according to this article, I want to focus on the Grim
Reaper. And as we said before, Ijust wanted to say, like, that's
where, what I know of the originof death came from. Anyway.
Berly (38:10):
Gotcha, that's why we're not immortal, right?
LA (38:16):
Which? How many of you, if a vampire came along, would make
that choice, you know,
Berly (38:22):
I would that should be a pole.
LA (38:25):
I would do Yep, even though seeing all the movies and like,
what was it
Berly (38:29):
all the lessons that we've learned yeah from these
vampire things, still say yeah,nope. I'd still say yes in a
heartbeat.
LA (38:35):
Anyway, the approach taken by the Greeks who named Death
Thanatos, Thanatos, which I waslike Thanos. Thanatos was the
prince twin brother of hyphnos,h, y, p, N, O, S, hyphnos, sure.
He was the god of sleep, whichthen this started getting me
(38:56):
into, like, Sandman territory.
Yeah, he was the god of sleep.
And both were portrayed asyoung, pleasant men. Thanos
appears with wings andextinguished fire. His job was
to accompany the departed toHades, which was the Greek
underworld, and Thanatos woulddeliver the souls to Sharon, the
(39:17):
ferryman of on the River Styx.
And in this version, Death isn'tugly and frightening, but
attractive and helpful. Whydidn't we just keep it that way?
Right? You know?
Berly (39:27):
Why is it gotta be so scary? It's scary enough that
you don't know where you'regoing, yeah?
LA (39:32):
But there were feminine versions of death that also
occurred in Norse mythology,though, there we go, the
Valkyries. Oh, yeah, which Ididn't. I knew the Valkyries
were a group of women likewarriors, but I didn't know
this, but they're beautifulyoung women who served as both
odins, messengers and escorts tothe souls of warriors killed in
(39:55):
battle, which their name means,choosers of the slain. But.
Choosers. Choosers, okay, yeah,of the slain, because during
battle, they would ride upon thetheir winged horses and survey
the field and select bravewarriors to die, and then they
would transport their souls toValhalla, which is odins
Berly (40:14):
Hall, right? Because dying in battle was like an
honor, I think,
LA (40:20):
okay, and but this was interesting. Once in the
afterlife, the brave souls wereenlisted to fight in the Battle
of Ragnarok, the apocalypticconflict signaling the end of
the world, which I'm like,they're at rest, yeah, don't
pull them into battle. I mean,they are good to go. So that's
just like some history and likemythology of where it came from,
(40:41):
but I think in our modern day,it more came from the Middle
Ages. In the middle medievalera, plague, yeah, yes, yeah.
During the 14th century, atleast 25 million people died in
the initial outbreak of theplague, and millions more
continued to die in theoutbreaks that flared for
(41:02):
centuries. So I think in thisera is where the skeleton came
in and the black cloak and allthat,
Berly (41:11):
which makes sense, yeah, exactly because that was scary,
the bright I would imaginepeople were really scared, and
that that's probably why itstarted to become more of a kind
of thing coming to
LA (41:23):
get you right at first, in artwork anyway, it would appear
as a skeleton, and they would beholding a dart crossbow or some
other kind of weapon. Buteventually it was replaced with
the scythe, which I didn't knowwas a mowing tool. Yeah,
Berly (41:40):
they use that cut through long grass, almost
LA (41:43):
like a machete on a stick.
Yes, yeah. But a lot ofpaintings that after this all
happened, showed death swinging.
I shouldn't. Why am I laughing?
What's wrong with me? Show deathswinging the scythe through a
crowd of people, mowing downsouls as if they were green.
Well, I mean 25
Berly (42:04):
million people. I mean true. I understand why this was
out. That's true,
LA (42:08):
yeah. And then or standing beside a one young woman at her
death. And there was also thenotion that death could interact
with the living and tempt themto the grave, which is hence the
dance of the death, or dancemacabre. Macabre, macabre,
macabre. I never heard ofmacabre, where skeletons are
(42:30):
shown dancing and cavorting withpeople from all walks of life.
So that was where the artworkand everything came from. But
obviously, we knows andskeletons came from the plague.
Because, I mean, people are justlike, I don't have to rot. Ended
up skeletons. The black cloakwas associated with obviously
deaf and death and mourning.
People were black to funerals.
(42:53):
You know, they're transported indark curses. And I mean, black
is usually associated with evilforces, you know, so the scythe,
in earlier renderings, the REAP,like I said, it's usually an
arrow or Dart, or this saysspears or crossbows, but the
scythe became the maininstrument that stays with us
(43:16):
today, I guess, like you weresaying, it's like we used it to
harvest our crops, and he usedit to harvest souls, yeah, so,
and then the hourglass, like Isaid, I don't really correlate
with it makes sense. Makessense, yeah? Which is, you know,
the hourglass has two bulbscontaining sand. It takes an
(43:38):
hour to pour from the upperbulb, which, you know, basically
gives somebody the last hour oftheir time, and then once it's
up, he moves that scythe, andyou're gone. As we were saying.
We We thought it was weird,because they say the Reaper in
the show, just a Reaper, but weonly, I don't know about you,
but for me, for me, anyway,before the show, I was like, I
(44:01):
only knew the grin Grim Reaper,yeah, like a big daddy, right?
So apparently, from the book ofRevelation, they're the Four
Horsemen that appear to ushercalamities signaling into the
world. And it's pestilence, war,famine and death. So of the
four, death is the one that'sexplicitly named. He rides a
(44:23):
pale horse, which I thought wasweird, because you would think
it was black. Well, so thisarticle actually says he rides a
pale horse, which is ofteninterpreted as green, pale
green, which is the color ofdisease and decay, which is what
was going on in the plague. Butdeath, shown as the Reaper
himself, is, as we've said, theblack cloak a grinning skull,
which creepy? Yeah, supercreepy. The seeth held ready,
(44:47):
and the grizzly work ahead. And,you know, that's what we know,
the Grim Reaper. There's a lotmore to it with as far as like,
theories and different religionsand interpretations, but I.
Yeah, I just kind of touched onwhat I guess I know of in
popular culture or whatever.
Berly (45:05):
Well, close it out. I've got a quote from Dean earlier in
the episode that gave me alittle chuckle. He said that
fabric softener teddy bear. Oh,I'm gonna hunt that little bitch
down. Cheers. Thank you forlistening to denim wrapped
LA (45:24):
nightmares. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram, leave a
review and let us know how wecan get involved in the fandom.
Berly (45:32):
This was fun,
LA (45:33):
jerk. It always is, bitch.
You.
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