January 11, 2023 • 38 mins
Berly and LA recap and discuss the season one Supernatural episode, Hell House. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Summary: In the "Hell House" episode, Sam and Dean investigate a haunted house in Richardson, Texas, where a ghost named Mordecai is terrorizing teenagers. They discover that the legend of Mordecai was fabricated by two boys, Craig and his cousin, as a prank. The ghost is revealed to be a Tulpa, a manifestation of thought created by the collective belief of people viewing the haunted house website. Sam and Dean trick the boys into believing Mordecai is a Tulpa, leading to his weakening. The episode explores the concept of Tulpas, imaginary friends made real through intense concentration, and their evolution beyond Tibetan culture. The dynamic between Sam, Dean, and the paranormal investigators Ed and Harry adds to the episode's charm.
Resources:
- https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Hell_House
- https://www.faena.com/aleph/buddhist-tulpas-on-the-materialization-of-our-thoughts
- https://savageminds.org/2016/02/13/paranormalizing-the-popular-through-the-tibetan-tulpa-or-what-the-next-dalai-lama-the-x-files-and-affect-theory-might-have-in-common/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
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Berly (00:01):
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over
LA (00:11):
drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore
about the Winchesters and theiradventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello, LA, hey Burley,wow.
Berly (00:30):
I think this week's episode was the best one so far.
LA (00:34):
My fave for sure. So good solely for one thing. Oh, my
God, it was so good, and we willget to that.
Berly (00:44):
Oh my god. But last week, quick recap, the the boys were
in Chicago,
LA (00:52):
yeah, shy city.
Berly (00:53):
We're in the Windy City following up on a mysterious
death of a person who died intheir home with the alarm set,
and yeah, yada yada yada. Turnedout it was Davis, and it turned
out that they were beingcontrolled by Meg, the cute
little blonde pixie who we firstmet in Scarecrow, and did that
(01:15):
weird thing where she slit theguy's throat and got the blood
and called somebody, and she wasstill talking to whoever it is,
yeah, in this episode as well,and daddy Winchester has been
saying it's a demon. So we knowit's a demon, but that's all we
know. And we can assume fromthis episode that Meg is also a
demon of some kind. It was a funepisode. Yeah, it was good. I
(01:36):
really enjoyed it. And untilthis week's episode, that
probably would have been one ofmy top ones,
LA (01:42):
right? Well, I like that anytime that daddy shows up,
yeah,
Berly (01:45):
anytime we get to see all Jeffrey dame, yeah. And then
there was that
LA (01:49):
one scene that I still think about, but still a little
perplexed by, but especially inthe contrast from that episode
to this one and their brotherlybehavior compared to last
episode
Berly (02:04):
with the pranks and everything. Yeah, lighthearted.
LA (02:09):
I just can't.
Berly (02:11):
Let's dig into this week's episode. Talk about the
lore the gore and what we adoreabout Hell House.
LA (02:22):
Well, I liked this episode for many reasons, one of them
being that they're inRichardson, Texas.
Berly (02:29):
I don't think they really were, well, no, but it was a
nice little shout out you and Iwere both
LA (02:37):
that's right down the way from us. Starts out in
Richardson, Texas, and we seethis old, rundown house, and
these like four high school kidsat night going in. I feel like
every town probably has a houselike this. We had one. We had
Berly (02:51):
one. Yeah, the mayor, the mayor's house, or whatever. And
we definitely went there. And Iwas telling you, when we were
watching it, that I remember oneof the guys that was with us
ripping a loud fart and going,be careful. It's the beast of
farts or something like that.
And at the time, thinking it wasso funny, but in hindsight, not
funny. It was really stupid.
LA (03:13):
So they go in, and they're, I think, were they saying
something about the story of,like, some somebody would go in
there, or does that come inlater? I think that comes in
later.
Berly (03:21):
I think they were talking about it a little bit because
Craig, or was it Craig or Greg?
Craig, he was with them, so,yeah, he must, Oh, that's right,
yeah, he was
LA (03:31):
saying his, he heard it this story from his cousin that, you
know, the guy that used to livethere, like, did whatever, and
he's basically just trying toscare his friends, yeah, and
he's this one guy, like, getsballsy, and it's like, I don't
see anything. Guys, I mean, comeon, there's nothing scary here.
And then, like, all their faceslook terrified, and he's like,
what? And he turns around, andthere's a girl hanging from the
(03:54):
rafters. Yes, dead. Well, we
Berly (03:56):
find out later she wasn't. Well, okay, well, oh,
spoiler. I'm sorry for now, fornow, they think she's dead. They
scream. They're freaked the fuckout. And then cut to present
day,
LA (04:08):
yeah. Then we're with the boys, Sam and Dean. And Sam has
been on some websites, somewhat. What are they like?
Paranormal websites, yeah. Andso he heard of this, these kids
talking about this story, and hesaid, you know, it sounds like
it might be up our alley. Sothey head to Richardson,
Berly (04:27):
but first dean put that spoon in Sam's mouth and took a
picture, and you didn't sleepingand you didn't like it. When I
said, it's because he likes thispretty little mouth. Yeah,
LA (04:35):
I don't, I can't. Okay, moving on, moving Yeah. So,
yeah, so Dean's real happy andpleased with himself pranking
Sam. Sam's not into it. Theyinvest they do some
investigating, and they trackdown they they talk to the kids
that had been there that night,and they all say, like, where
they finally or where theyoriginally heard all this from.
(04:56):
And it's Craig, Craig.
Berly (04:58):
It all leads back to Craig. Yeah. They tracked down
the kids from the story that Samfound on the website, right?
Yeah,
LA (05:05):
well, from the kids that were in the and found that yeah,
the lady he
Berly (05:09):
was saying, they seem really sincere, based off of
what I see on this website,
LA (05:13):
yeah. And then they go there, and they're like, all
their stories are different whenthey talk to each one of them.
That was funny, yeah? So theytracked down Craig. He works at
a record store, and he tellsthem of this legend that was
told to him by his cousin Dana,that Mordecai Murdoch. What a
name. It's a great name. Yeah,was a farmer who lived in the
house during the 1930s andduring the Depression, his crops
(05:36):
were dying off, their theircattle or whatever animals they
did have died. And so instead ofhis daughter's having a slow
death of starvation, he killedthem. And
Berly (05:47):
when they walked into the record store, they were playing
the entrance music for a WWEwrestler as like the song that
was jamming out when they walkedin the record store. So yet
again, that's Strike two onmusic choices. Here you guys
have been Yeah, two in a row. Somany good songs, and now a
wrestlers entrance, I
LA (06:08):
wonder. Say they switched somebody out, somebody got fired
or something. Who knows? Orleft? I don't know anyway. So
the boys go and visit the thissupposed haunted house, and they
find they see that there's abunch of symbols painted on all
the walls and on the floor, butthat they're freshly painted. So
they think that's kind of odd.
So searching through the house,they run into these two guys, Ed
(06:30):
zedmore and Harry Spangler, andthey are professional paranormal
investigators. They're collegekids just like fucking around.
And
Berly (06:42):
they think a lot of themselves.
LA (06:45):
Oh yeah, they're on their horses.
Berly (06:46):
I did like Spangler. The Ghostbusters call out that his
name is Spangler.
LA (06:51):
Oh yeah. I thought that was That was clever. That was fun.
And they are the ones who run awebsite called Hell's hounds.
Hellhounds lair, which is thewebsite that Sam had found this
all this information on, theydecided to do a little more
research, but they really can'tfind any evidence to support
this legend of Mordecai Murdoch,like it's there's no evidence.
(07:12):
And we know our boys are goodresearchers, right?
Berly (07:15):
They were saying there was a Murdoch there, but he had
boys, not girls, right? So, justnothing was adding Yeah,
LA (07:21):
nothing, yeah. So they chalk it up to, this is, like, a bunch
of BS not our gig. Like, let's,let's just call this one a
spade. That doesn't make sense.
Call a spade a spade. Isn't thatthe same? I think so. But that
doesn't really okay. Sonothing's adding up. And it just
sounds like a bunch of likebullshit, really, they decide,
well, really, Dean's like,let's, let's forget this. Like,
let's just go get some beers.
(07:45):
Head on. Move on. But then theyhear that the previous night, a
girl did actually die in thehouse. So it was another set of,
like, teenagers, three of them,two girls and a boy, and they
go, and two of them dare thisone girl to go in or otherwise
she has to make out with theboy, which I'm like,
Berly (08:02):
Honey, you could just say no, just say no and walk away.
Yeah? Like,
LA (08:06):
Fuck you guys, yeah. But she goes in. You
Berly (08:08):
need new friends, yeah?
LA (08:10):
She goes in. I mean, good for her, though, brave little
thing, you know, right? I
Berly (08:15):
want me to
LA (08:17):
she goes in and she runs into this ghost who has a long
rope, ends up getting it aroundher neck and hanging her and it
turns out we learned she's likea straight A student had a full
ride to UT.
Berly (08:31):
She's adorable too. Yeah, I
LA (08:33):
mean, awful, Yeah, fucking kids, I'm saying the fuck. I'm
saying the fuck, a lot. It'sokay.
Berly (08:40):
You can say, the fuck Thank you. Thank
LA (08:42):
you. All right, then the next night, the Sam and Dean
returned to the house, but it'slike the police are there.
They've got it taped off, andthey're kind of overseeing it so
that no more kids try to comein. The boys, our boys, Sam and
Dean, Spot Ed and Harry,attempting to get in the house.
I'm
Berly (09:01):
happy you clarified our boys, because I wasn't sure
which boys you were talkingabout.
LA (09:06):
Hey, you should know, since they see them. Dean shouts out,
alerting the officers to theirpresence that so they go taking
off after them, which allows ourboys to get inside. And
Berly (09:17):
it was another ghost bastards shout out. Dean yelled,
who you gonna call?
LA (09:21):
Did he really? I didn't catch that. Yeah, oh, I didn't
Berly (09:25):
know. There's another cute little Ghostbuster shot
that's
LA (09:27):
funny. Once they're inside, they go down to the basement,
and they run into Mordecai, andhe's chasing them. He's, uh, he
this time, he has an ax, right?
An ax has, I know how to speakproper engine, and they blast
off. They start shooting themwith the rock salt, but it
doesn't really slow them down.
It's not working the way we'veseen it work in the exactly,
(09:49):
which is weird. They're like,what the hell. So they break
down the door, and as they do,they run past Ed and Harry, and
they actually have, like, one ofthem has the camera up, and they
actually capture. Footage ofMordecai in the doorway, because
he can't leave past that point.
Berly (10:04):
As far as stunt work goes, that exit out the door
that they did. I loved that.
Yeah. I mean, Sam full bodythrew his doll through the door
LA (10:13):
projectile. And, I mean, I pretty
Berly (10:16):
sure that was Jared Padalecki. You could see his
face. I'm pretty sure that washim and Jensen Ackles running
out that they gave that 110% andI loved it. It was a very fun
shot with them tumbling out ofthe house and Harry and Ed
standing there screaming becausethey got startled from them
(10:36):
coming flying out of the house.
It was one of, not the but oneof my favorite shots of my show
well, and I
LA (10:43):
have to give it to our boys, because they're very smooth in
this episode, that they don'tget caught by these cops, and
they keep the poor Ed and Harrykeep getting caught. So because
they they like fly out of thehouse, basically run past head
and air, head and airy. Yeah. Edand Harry and
Berly (11:05):
disappear they they're just like, gone. But
LA (11:08):
then the cops show up and they get Harry and Ed, I'm like,
what?
Berly (11:11):
How did that happen?
Magic. They're
LA (11:14):
good, they're smooth.
They're smooth criminals. Yeah,they
Berly (11:17):
are. Them win jesters.
LA (11:20):
Then we're back at another hotel, motel. Motel is this was
another. This one wasn't asspacious, but it was Texas out.
It
Berly (11:27):
was Texas as, fuck yeah.
There was the Alamo on the wall.
Yes. There were long horn,Longhorn horn horns, Longhorn
horns hung on the wall. Therewas
LA (11:37):
an armadillo on the table.
It was Texas as far yeah, whichI was, like, knowing that
they're both from Texas and,like, such as, like,
stereotypical Texas thing tohave those things around. It's
like, Come on, guys. You know,it's not like that.
Berly (11:50):
But I'm sure there are some hotels that are totally
like that, absolutely, yeah, butI noticed at one point. I don't
recall exactly where it was.
There was a sign that said Texasroses, and it had, like, the
Texas flag, which is such aTyler Texas thing to see,
there's rose signs everywhere.
So I don't know there's thisTyler roses. They they have
(12:11):
roses all the time. I didn'tknow that. I don't know why I'm
not from the area. I just knowevery time I've gone there, I
see something about roses, huh?
LA (12:19):
Okay, I didn't know he learned something new almost
every day. Well, anyway, at thehotel, they're they're trying to
work everything out and figureout, like, What the hell is
this? Like, nothing's adding up.
It's not our usual, like wefigured out legend. They did
notice that Mordecai, hisspirit, had slit wrists, which I
didn't see. They didn't zoom inon it, okay, well, yeah, when
(12:42):
they mentioned that, I was like,really? I mean, way to be
observant in that moment, guys,
Berly (12:48):
there was a lot going on in the scene, though, so maybe
we should have gone back andpaused to take a look. But there
were more important things tosee in this episode. Trigger so
well, they
LA (12:57):
know that that that was never mentioned in this legend
that they've been told by Craig.
So they go, they go back tohellhounds lair website, and see
that the story has also changed.
Now the legend, supposed legendis has changed, and Dean
recognized as one of the symbolsthat was painted on one of the
walls in the house. And so theydecide that they're gonna go
(13:19):
give Craig boy, another visit,right?
Berly (13:22):
He's been talking about that symbol all the time. Yeah,
I know that. I know I've seenit. What is it? I don't know. He
was even drawing it in themotel, yeah. And so when it
finally clicks where he saw it,they know exactly where to go,
right?
LA (13:36):
And so I love, like, when they like, say something to
Craig, and he's like, Oh, God,these guys. And we find out that
the symbol is actually from aBlue Oyster called album cover.
And Craig, we know, works in therecord store, and he admits that
he and his cousin really are theones that created this supposed
(13:56):
legend. They went into thehouse, painted the symbols on
the walls and the floor. Theyspread the rumor about Marta
Mordecai is just like a prank.
And even Dana was the one whowas hung with that first night
when they went in and she justlike they had just hung her the
certain way and made her lookdead just to scare the shit out
of his friends. Yeah,
Berly (14:15):
real nice. And they gave TCU a shout out on this episode
too. Dana was in town from TCU,yes, but yeah. And Craig luckily
feels like shit. He is yeah, hefeels terrible about the whole
thing, because it was justsupposed to be a joke, yeah. And
somebody actually ended upgetting hurt because of it, so
he feels awful. Yeah, so Craig'sa little shit, yes, but he's not
(14:38):
shitty,
LA (14:39):
Yes, correct? I like that.
Sam brings up the idea thatMordecai, maybe Mordecai is a
two tupla
Berly (14:47):
Tulpa and paws, because in there, hold on. Wait, wait,
wait, I know what he I you knowexactly when he's talking about
this. Hold
LA (14:55):
on. Let me start over. Hold on, because I was gonna say
something. I. Sam brings up thefact that he thinks that
Mordecai is a Tulpa, which is isa manifestation of thought. And
man, he brings this up whilehe's in the shower. Well, he was
in the shower, he was but he'sin the process of getting out,
right? But we don't see him. We
Berly (15:18):
see him. Well, give me a
LA (15:21):
second. So Sam brings this up as he's in the, like, getting
out of the shower. He's in theshower. We don't see him, but we
do see Dean sprinkling, like,chili powder or something. I
Berly (15:30):
thought it was itchy powder,
LA (15:31):
was it? Yeah, like,
Berly (15:32):
can't you get itching powder from, like, a crank, a
gag shop or something? That'snot nice. Like, where you get
the where you get the thing thatyou can wear it on your hand and
shock
LA (15:42):
somebody. But I just didn't know that was a thing.
Berly (15:46):
I know it's a thing. I don't know that it actually
works. Okay. Well, anyway,
LA (15:51):
Dean is putting that powder in Sam's underwear as Sam bursts
out of the bathroom in nothing
Berly (15:59):
but a towel. Yeah, he comes out. I was like, what if
it's a Tulpa, yeah. And I'mlike, what have you dropped the
towel? Holy shit. My what I waswe watched that three, at least
three times. Rewind, play,rewind. Well
LA (16:11):
done. Jared padalucki, my goodness. Like kudos to you and
your wife, wonderful, yeah,
Berly (16:18):
and your kids, yeah. Good for them too, that they can say,
That's my dad. We got,congratulations. We've got those
jeans. We got those jeans. Oh mygosh. It was wonderful. It was,
LA (16:28):
I mean, like, so well built, like,
Berly (16:34):
everything's in the right place, the proportions, yes,
just it was wonderful. It waswonderful. He was still kind of
slick from the shower. Yeah. Hedid a little his little peck
twitch. He twitched his peck athis brother. Uh huh.
LA (16:51):
So that was by far my favorite part of the season so
far,
Berly (16:55):
best, best hands down. I remember I put, I shot my hands
up into like a touchdown symbolwhen he came out of the shower,
and I literally just left myarms up over my head for the
whole rest of that scene. Well,
LA (17:07):
I looked over like, I watched the whole scene, and
then when it was done, I lookedover at you, and your arms are
up, but I thought you had, like,just put them
Berly (17:13):
up because it ended. And you were like, thank you. I put
them up when he came out, girl,and then I just froze.
LA (17:21):
I get it. I didn't
Berly (17:22):
bring them back down until I was reaching for the
remote to rewind. Oh, my God,oh, man. It was, it was a
wonderful scene also.
LA (17:32):
And then when I when they were explaining what a Tulpa is,
I was like man, manifestation ofthought. Damn. I wish I could do
that right now, manifesting that
Berly (17:41):
towel dropping
LA (17:43):
or being right here with me.
You know, anywho. So this, thisparticular symbol, is a symbol
that was painted in the house,and it's a Tibetan spirit sigil,
and it assists in concentratingmental energy. And Sam is
thinking that people who viewthe website, the hell's what is
(18:04):
it? Hell's hell hellhounds.
Hellhounds lair, that whenthey're viewing the website,
they are willing, they're like,willing into reality what they
are reading. And it's so many ofthem that it's really,
literally, like, creating thisspirit in this house. And it
keeps changing, the more peopleare telling the story
(18:24):
differently, right?
Berly (18:26):
Every time they change it on the website, the
manifestation updates itself.
Yeah,
LA (18:31):
so Sam and Dean think so they kind of trick Ed and Harry.
They they tell them that theyfound mordecai's birth
certificate, and it turns outthat he What was it?
Berly (18:42):
I loved how Hang on. I loved how they were talking to
them like we did research. Wefound his birth certificate at
the library, like the way theywere talking. I loved that, and
they deserved it. The harriettawere eating it up. Oh yeah. So
they were like little shits tothem, talking down to them and
all of that know it alls whenthey don't really know what
(19:04):
they're doing. We've all had todeal with people like that in
the past, right? But yeah, theybasically say he didn't do any
of the things in the story. Heactually shot his kids with the
gun, and now he's terrified ofguns. And if he sees a gun or
gets shot by a gun with bulletsthat it'll it'll kill them, and
he'll be destroyed. And thenthey ask them to upload it to
(19:26):
the website so that the tulpa,yeah, will update to do that
too. The more everybody sees it,oh no. They don't ask them to
put it on the website. They tellthem that it's secret and that
they can't tell anybody, andthat they need to shut the
website down, knowing that theguys are going to do the
complete opposite, right?
LA (19:44):
So that when they agree, so that's when they get give them
all the information, and Sam andDean plan they go back to the
house that night, because theythink, Okay, this is it. He now
that the story has changed, wecan kill him with our guns as
they enter in, they're ready.
Guns. Guns, up. You. Flashlightsready? Who do they run into
fucking Ed and Harry Mordecaishows up, starts swinging that
(20:06):
Ax, and the boys start shootingat him, and again, nothing. It's
not doing a thing to him. Andlike, Dean turns to Ed and
Harry. He's like, you, you like,put that up on your website,
right? And they said, Yeah, wedid. But then our server
crashed, so nobody saw it, so ithasn't manifested. And Ed and
Harry end up getting kind ofcornered in this one area of the
(20:29):
house, and Mordecai is afterthem. Our hero, boy, Sam little
Sammy. He runs in there, getsmordecai's Attention, basically
starts fighting with him withthe ax. Mordecai has got him up
against the wall, up his on hisneck, tells the boys to get the
hell out. And Dean's solution toall of this is to light the
(20:50):
place on fire. Let's just
Berly (20:53):
burn this shit down. Burn it down. Yeah,
LA (20:57):
I don't remember how to Sam get out away from Mordecai. I
don't I don't know if they
Berly (21:02):
should. I remember Mordecai like holding the AX up
against Sam and having Sampushed up against the wall,
yeah, and Harry and Ed runningby Sam, or Dean must have come
and helped
LA (21:11):
him. Yeah. Oh, no, I bet it.
I bet it's because the housestarted to go on fire. So his
spirit was probably starting tofade because the house was
starting to but it wasn't reallya spirit. That's right, okay,
it's not important. True,
Berly (21:25):
they survived. That's all you need to know. All four of
them survive. All four of themgot out of the house before it
was a blazon. Yeah.
LA (21:32):
And Dean's thought was that without that part of the legend,
Mordecai won't exist if thehouse isn't there. Now, if
Berly (21:38):
the house isn't there, he's got nothing to haunt right?
People aren't going to continueto tell stories about a place
that they can't actually go toand see, just a field, yeah,
LA (21:47):
the so the guys end up, which we do have, the scene
where, where they're chatting.
Poor Sam is clearlyuncomfortable and having some
itches in certain
Berly (21:58):
places. Yeah? Think I'm allergic to ourselves. Yeah. And
then Dean's just cracking up.
And then we have the scene whereSam gets Dean back with the
super glue on the beer bottle.
Oh, I forgot, yes, yes, yes,yeah. These are all scenes that
happen just when they're talkingabout Mordecai and Tulpas and
all this other kind of stuff. So
LA (22:17):
the best prank of all that, I think, which is funny but
terrible, but they kind ofdeserved it. Is they're saying
goodbye to Ed and Harry. And Edand Harry are boasting about how
they got a call this morningfrom a big Hollywood producer.
They want to start a show withthem, or whatever, and they're
just like, cocky about it, andthey're like, see you later,
guys. And as they drive off, Samadmits that he's the one that
(22:40):
called them. And Dean's like,well, good job, because I put up
dead fish in the back of theirtheir truck, too. Vaccine, yeah,
so Ew, yeah. I thought that wasfunny. And
Berly (22:52):
they drive from Texas to Los Angeles. Is not sure, yeah,
that fish is going to be nasty,
LA (22:58):
yeah? And Sam asks, you know, like, can we call a truce
in this prank war? And Dean's,like, you know, for now, okay,
for now. And that's, that's thatone that is Hell House. This
Berly (23:10):
was one of my favorite episodes so far. It was, it was
fun for a variety of reasons.
Obviously, there's a particularreason, but it was fun. It was a
lot of fun. Yeah, I reallyenjoyed this one.
LA (23:22):
I think the the dynamic of Ed and Harry and then Sam and
Dean was kind of a good, goodthing. Like, I don't know, it
was just cute.
Berly (23:28):
It was really cute. I liked it a lot. But let's get
into the lore. Yeah, therewasn't any Gore I adore. I
adored this whole episode. Ilike you said, I adored the
dynamic between Dean and Sam andEd and Harry. Jared Padalecki,
Jared Padilla, Jared padlecki,
LA (23:48):
idea Texas. Anyway, I know they're not in Texas,
Berly (23:50):
but it was nice to see it. Yeah, still nice to see it.
It was a little dramatized, buthey, yeah, a show about fucking
werewolves and ghosts andwhatever. So for the lore, we're
going to be talking about tulpa.
It's a Tulpa when,
LA (24:05):
yeah, when he was yelling about it from the bathroom, I
was like, What are you? Tulpa?
Tulsa? What
Berly (24:12):
so Tulpa, according to fene.com Buddhism has created a
type of Atlas or almanac of thehuman psyche among the
multiplicities, multiplicity.
You love that movie I do,
LA (24:33):
what does he say? She maybe, maybe I do. Should touch my
puppy, Steve.
Berly (24:41):
I don't know why, but I love it. I saw it was on Hulu or
something, and I just diedlaughing. I didn't even put the
movie on. I just died laughingthinking about how happy you
would be to know that it was onHulu. I love my Michael keen,
oh, he's great. Well, anyway,among the multiplicities implied
by the mind. There is a strangefamily of mental creations known
(25:03):
as Tulpas, which is Sanskrit forto build. It's a Sanskrit world
word for to build. While themind is capable of creating a
world of illusion, it can alsocreate any desired object. Jared
paddleback.
LA (25:21):
I mean, I gotta tap into this.
Berly (25:24):
This process consists of transforming a visualization
into a palpable being. Buddhismasserts to acknowledge the
Tulpas are mental creations thatbecome, as if by magic, semi
autonomous entities, whichthat's basically what Sam was
explaining in the show, thatit's something that you create,
(25:46):
and then once it's created, it'skind of its own thing. Yeah, it
can kind of take on its own.
Yeah, it's gonna do what itwants to do at that point. Yeah.
So according to Wikipedia, inthe 1990s online communities
dedicated to Tulpas spawned onthe four Chan and Reddit
websites. I don't even know whatFortran is. I don't really
either. I've heard it before,but I don't know what it is.
(26:07):
These communities refer to Tulpapractitioners as Tulpa mancers.
Oh, get this. The communitiesgained popularity when adult
fans of My Little Pony starteddiscussing Tulpas of characters
from the My Little Ponytelevision series, the fans
attempted to use meditation andlucid dreaming techniques to
(26:31):
create imaginary friends. Sookay,
LA (26:36):
well, that's
Berly (26:37):
what you're gonna use it for. I thought you were gonna
say they were gonna try tobring, like, one of the little
ponies to life. That's what theywere trying to do. A Tulpa is
basically an imaginary friendthat's real and can actually do
stuff. It's like drop dead Fred.
LA (26:52):
Look at the Why are they all into little my little pony,
there's
Berly (26:56):
a whole group of adult people who are into my little
ponies. I think they callthemselves bronies or something.
LA (27:04):
This just gets weird. Okay, so wait, so
Berly (27:08):
remember they were making fun of bronies on Peacemaker.
No, they said the Green Lanternwas a brony.
LA (27:17):
No, okay, but so you said that they were trying to
manifest imaginary friends, butthey were actually trying to
manifest one of my littleponies.
Berly (27:25):
But that's what a that's what a Tulpa is. It's an
imaginary friend that'smanifested into being something
I get
LA (27:31):
that. But then why didn't you just say that that's what
they're doing instead of animaginary
Berly (27:35):
friend? Because that's what I copied from Wikipedia.
Okay, maybe quit being sonitpicky. Well,
LA (27:40):
no, I was just confused. It confused me because I totally
thought you were gonna say theywere trying to make one of the
My Little Ponies real. I getwhat you're saying, okay, but
Berly (27:49):
I'm saying I'm just about to criticize my semantics. No,
LA (27:53):
no, I'm not criticizing you at all.
Berly (27:55):
I didn't do it.
Wikipedia. Did it Wikipedia? No,
LA (28:00):
no, I'm not criticizing you at all. I just, like totally
thought that's what you're gonnasay. So then when you said that,
that it just threw me
Berly (28:06):
off. But my whole issue is, you believe it's that this
is real. You believe you canmanifest and make this happen,
and you have a whole onlinecommunity of people, and the
thing you choose to manifest isa My Little Pony character
LA (28:19):
that I do not understand, not at all, that is not what I'd
be manifesting.
Berly (28:26):
Okay, so according to savageminds.org, topamancers are
people who, through extendedbouts of concentration of
visualization, produce a specialkind of imaginary friend they
call a Tulpa. So there you go.
There's the connection as to whyI used imaginary friend earlier.
Sorry, I probably should haveput this before the no crony
stuff. It was me. I'm sorry.
(28:49):
Tulpas are understood to bedistinct sentient beings with
their own personalities,inclinations and relative
autonomy through various activeand passive processes known as
quote, unquote forcing, which Idon't like that topomancers
spend hours solidifying theirimpressions of their creations
(29:09):
as something more than just anordinary inner voice. Active
forcing means concentratingsingle pointedly on the tulpa's
form and features. Passiveforcing is when the tulpamancer
finds ways to bring Tulpas intomore regular routines, such as
through narrating, wheretulpamancers chat with or read
(29:33):
stories to their creations. Solike it for real is like an
imaginary, okay, come to life.
LA (29:40):
See, that's disappointing, though I thought might be like,
legit, let's manifest that. Makeit real.
Berly (29:49):
So topa answers, meet Tulpa, but that's what it is.
It's manifested into reality.
That's what makes a Tulpadifferent from an imaginary
friend. Oh, okay, yeah. You.
Tulpa I don't, I don't thinkit's real, real, just in theory.
That's what makes that's whatmakes Tulpas different. Want it
to be real. I know you do, babytulpamancers Meet Tulpas in
(30:11):
imagined environments calledwonderlands.
LA (30:16):
Okay, all right.
Berly (30:18):
These are dream or mindscapes that more fully
contextualize interactions andprovide a place for Tulpas to,
like, hang out when idle. Forsome reason I'm imagining like
the Teletubby world with thebaby face in the sun and all
that. Yeah, I get it. So that'swhere they go when they're idle,
like when they're not being in aconversation, or they're on
(30:42):
pause, they're on pause andthey're in their Wonderland.
Yeah? They also work to perfectimposition, which, again, these
words are just forcingimposition. Yeah, so imposition
is seeing, hearing or feelingTulpas in the real world.
LA (31:00):
Okay? Now I'm interested.
I'm ready. I'm ready.
Berly (31:04):
They may even practice Tulpa possession or even
switching swingers. I thoughtswitching was more of like sub
and Dom like that. You're aswitcher that you don't Oh, like
that. You'll be the dominant onesometimes, and you'll be the
subordinate one sometimes, thatyou switch, you're probably
right. I didn't know, but maybeit is swingers.
LA (31:22):
No, no, no. Swingers are like couples that switch swing
swing with each
Berly (31:28):
people now, know, we know nothing about this kind of
stuff. We Wow. Okay, we justshowed our asses. It's okay.
Sorry, we're ignorant. Well,switching with a Tulpa is when
the tulpa takes over the host'sbody, and the host temporarily
occupies the tulpa's form in thewonderland. I feel like the
LA (31:49):
tulpa gets a little revenge for all this forcefulness,
forcing an imposition.
Berly (31:55):
Yeah. Okay, okay, so the concept of the tulpa as a semi
autonomous entity created by oneor more individuals focused
thought or belief was primarilya mainstay in western eso
centric and parapsychologicalcircles. Western occultists
inherited their vision,inherited their version of
(32:17):
Tulpas from early non Tibetaninterpreters of Tibetan
Buddhism, like French explorerAlexandra, David Neal and
American Walter Evans WentzDavid Neal's description of how
she experimented with making aTulpa In the form of a jolly
(32:40):
monk while in Tibet and heraccount of how this mind
creature was subsequently seenby others who mistook it for an
actual person, and how it becamemore and more sinister, self
motivated and unruly, and thatobliged her to dissolve it.
(33:02):
Okay? So she made, shemanifested her own jolly monk
tulpa. And then when she didn'tlike how it was acting, she
said, Well fuck, I guess I'mjust gonna kill you. Did anybody
else see this? She said thatpeople saw her Tulpa and thought
it was like an actual person. Idon't believe her. Well anyway,
that helped set the tone andterms of subsequent
(33:23):
representations of tolfas. WasAlexandra's story about her
jolly monk.
LA (33:28):
I need a picture.
Berly (33:32):
This was in like proven Alexandra Neal, she lived from
1868 to 1969 so, yeah, she couldhave taken a picture. Okay, so
both David Neal and Evan wincesunderstanding of Tibetan Tulpas
was, in turn, stronglyinfluenced by theosophical
teachings. So that's where, likethe symbol in the show came into
(33:53):
play. Okay, these teachings wererelated to the possibilities and
dangers of quote unquote thoughtforms and quote unquote
Elementals. These ideas werealready in circulation in Europe
and America long before eitherDavid Neal or Evan Wentz ever
went to the Himalayas to studywith Tibetans.
LA (34:11):
You know fun fact about the Himalayas? I don't. I just tell
people die.
Berly (34:15):
People just die there. I don't. I wouldn't call that a
fun fact. Oh no, right? Whenthey climb the mountain, aren't
there like, hundreds of deadbodies on the Himalayas in
LA (34:24):
Nepal? You know, Michael J Fox has Parkinson's? Yes, he
said, When he went there, hewent to visit Nepal. I think it
was Nepal. It's somewhere inthat area that all of his
symptoms went away while he wasthere. Why didn't he move there?
That's what I was thinking.
Berly (34:39):
I buy at least vacation there, right? But, yeah,
LA (34:42):
I was like, that's crazy.
Like, that's crazy energy that'sbeing put there for that to
happen. Yeah, I want to go. I'vealways wanted to go to Nepal.
Yeah. Oh, okay, back to anyway.
Sorry, I just
Berly (34:53):
No worries. You said that is a fun fact. Yeah, now I do
know a fun fact about theHimalayas area. Anyway. Okay,
okay, so while there are noexplicit instructions in Tibetan
tantric Buddhism for manifestinga Tulpa, various advanced
meditative practices do exist,which involve intensive
(35:14):
concentration on andvisualization of image imagined
entities, the dream yogapractices that fall under the
umbrella of six dharmas ofNaropa in particular involve
training and the intentionalproduction of mental forms while
(35:34):
in a lucid dream state, and theso called generation or creation
stage of Tibetan. Tantric yogasrequires the meditator to
imagine, call upon and thenanimate various yidams, or mind
bound meditational deities, soas to draw near them, experience
(35:59):
them and attain their blessings.
I gotta tell you, Tantric Yoga.
I was thinking it was somethingway different, like tantric sex,
yeah? Like, where you just do ayoga pose and have an orgasm
because of it, or something.
Well, yeah, and y'all are, like,together for a long time, yeah?
So this is not what I waspicturing whenever, yeah, this
is a lot that's Tantric Yoga.
(36:20):
That's a lot of visualizationand all this other kind of stuff
that's like discipline, yeah,and calling deities to you, and
all this other lot of stuff. Notat all what I thought it would
have been. Accordingly, bothTibetan Buddhists and Western
occultists have argued thatYidam represent a better analog
for Western esotericists andpulp answers, ideas about
(36:44):
sentient mental entities thanthe actual Tibetan word, sprawl,
paw. That's that. I don't know.
That's the actual Tibetan word,Oh, I see okay for for these
Yidam or whatever.
LA (36:58):
I like that word yet them, I
Berly (37:00):
think that's how you say it. Y, I D, A, M, gidoms, yeah,
I think so. Basically, the tulpaconcept has evolved and
circulated to the point where ithas escaped far beyond any
specifically Tibetan culture,social or linguistic moorings.
So, yeah, clearly, look at thisepisode bronies, man. I mean,
(37:21):
it's become its own damn thing,yeah, and that's it. That's all
I have on Tulpas, okay,
LA (37:26):
I like it interesting. So to close it out,
Berly (37:30):
was that awkward? Cheers, pada, Lucky.
LA (37:32):
Cheers, kudos. Well done. I mean, all the good things to
you, my man, we've
Berly (37:39):
got a quote from Sam to close it out of all the things
we hunted how many existed justbecause people believed in them.
Sam Winchester, I believe inyou. Cheers. Thank you for
listening to denim wrappednightmares.
LA (37:57):
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let us know how we can getinvolved in the fandom.
Berly (38:03):
This was fun,
LA (38:04):
jerk. It always is, bitch.
I.
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over
LA (00:11):
drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore
about the Winchesters and theiradventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello, LA, hey Burley,wow.
Berly (00:30):
I think this week's episode was the best one so far.
LA (00:34):
My fave for sure. So good solely for one thing. Oh, my
God, it was so good, and we willget to that.
Berly (00:44):
Oh my god. But last week, quick recap, the the boys were
in Chicago,
LA (00:52):
yeah, shy city.
Berly (00:53):
We're in the Windy City following up on a mysterious
death of a person who died intheir home with the alarm set,
and yeah, yada yada yada. Turnedout it was Davis, and it turned
out that they were beingcontrolled by Meg, the cute
little blonde pixie who we firstmet in Scarecrow, and did that
(01:15):
weird thing where she slit theguy's throat and got the blood
and called somebody, and she wasstill talking to whoever it is,
yeah, in this episode as well,and daddy Winchester has been
saying it's a demon. So we knowit's a demon, but that's all we
know. And we can assume fromthis episode that Meg is also a
demon of some kind. It was a funepisode. Yeah, it was good. I
(01:36):
really enjoyed it. And untilthis week's episode, that
probably would have been one ofmy top ones,
LA (01:42):
right? Well, I like that anytime that daddy shows up,
yeah,
Berly (01:45):
anytime we get to see all Jeffrey dame, yeah. And then
there was that
LA (01:49):
one scene that I still think about, but still a little
perplexed by, but especially inthe contrast from that episode
to this one and their brotherlybehavior compared to last
episode
Berly (02:04):
with the pranks and everything. Yeah, lighthearted.
LA (02:09):
I just can't.
Berly (02:11):
Let's dig into this week's episode. Talk about the
lore the gore and what we adoreabout Hell House.
LA (02:22):
Well, I liked this episode for many reasons, one of them
being that they're inRichardson, Texas.
Berly (02:29):
I don't think they really were, well, no, but it was a
nice little shout out you and Iwere both
LA (02:37):
that's right down the way from us. Starts out in
Richardson, Texas, and we seethis old, rundown house, and
these like four high school kidsat night going in. I feel like
every town probably has a houselike this. We had one. We had
Berly (02:51):
one. Yeah, the mayor, the mayor's house, or whatever. And
we definitely went there. And Iwas telling you, when we were
watching it, that I remember oneof the guys that was with us
ripping a loud fart and going,be careful. It's the beast of
farts or something like that.
And at the time, thinking it wasso funny, but in hindsight, not
funny. It was really stupid.
LA (03:13):
So they go in, and they're, I think, were they saying
something about the story of,like, some somebody would go in
there, or does that come inlater? I think that comes in
later.
Berly (03:21):
I think they were talking about it a little bit because
Craig, or was it Craig or Greg?
Craig, he was with them, so,yeah, he must, Oh, that's right,
yeah, he was
LA (03:31):
saying his, he heard it this story from his cousin that, you
know, the guy that used to livethere, like, did whatever, and
he's basically just trying toscare his friends, yeah, and
he's this one guy, like, getsballsy, and it's like, I don't
see anything. Guys, I mean, comeon, there's nothing scary here.
And then, like, all their faceslook terrified, and he's like,
what? And he turns around, andthere's a girl hanging from the
(03:54):
rafters. Yes, dead. Well, we
Berly (03:56):
find out later she wasn't. Well, okay, well, oh,
spoiler. I'm sorry for now, fornow, they think she's dead. They
scream. They're freaked the fuckout. And then cut to present
day,
LA (04:08):
yeah. Then we're with the boys, Sam and Dean. And Sam has
been on some websites, somewhat. What are they like?
Paranormal websites, yeah. Andso he heard of this, these kids
talking about this story, and hesaid, you know, it sounds like
it might be up our alley. Sothey head to Richardson,
Berly (04:27):
but first dean put that spoon in Sam's mouth and took a
picture, and you didn't sleepingand you didn't like it. When I
said, it's because he likes thispretty little mouth. Yeah,
LA (04:35):
I don't, I can't. Okay, moving on, moving Yeah. So,
yeah, so Dean's real happy andpleased with himself pranking
Sam. Sam's not into it. Theyinvest they do some
investigating, and they trackdown they they talk to the kids
that had been there that night,and they all say, like, where
they finally or where theyoriginally heard all this from.
(04:56):
And it's Craig, Craig.
Berly (04:58):
It all leads back to Craig. Yeah. They tracked down
the kids from the story that Samfound on the website, right?
Yeah,
LA (05:05):
well, from the kids that were in the and found that yeah,
the lady he
Berly (05:09):
was saying, they seem really sincere, based off of
what I see on this website,
LA (05:13):
yeah. And then they go there, and they're like, all
their stories are different whenthey talk to each one of them.
That was funny, yeah? So theytracked down Craig. He works at
a record store, and he tellsthem of this legend that was
told to him by his cousin Dana,that Mordecai Murdoch. What a
name. It's a great name. Yeah,was a farmer who lived in the
house during the 1930s andduring the Depression, his crops
(05:36):
were dying off, their theircattle or whatever animals they
did have died. And so instead ofhis daughter's having a slow
death of starvation, he killedthem. And
Berly (05:47):
when they walked into the record store, they were playing
the entrance music for a WWEwrestler as like the song that
was jamming out when they walkedin the record store. So yet
again, that's Strike two onmusic choices. Here you guys
have been Yeah, two in a row. Somany good songs, and now a
wrestlers entrance, I
LA (06:08):
wonder. Say they switched somebody out, somebody got fired
or something. Who knows? Orleft? I don't know anyway. So
the boys go and visit the thissupposed haunted house, and they
find they see that there's abunch of symbols painted on all
the walls and on the floor, butthat they're freshly painted. So
they think that's kind of odd.
So searching through the house,they run into these two guys, Ed
(06:30):
zedmore and Harry Spangler, andthey are professional paranormal
investigators. They're collegekids just like fucking around.
And
Berly (06:42):
they think a lot of themselves.
LA (06:45):
Oh yeah, they're on their horses.
Berly (06:46):
I did like Spangler. The Ghostbusters call out that his
name is Spangler.
LA (06:51):
Oh yeah. I thought that was That was clever. That was fun.
And they are the ones who run awebsite called Hell's hounds.
Hellhounds lair, which is thewebsite that Sam had found this
all this information on, theydecided to do a little more
research, but they really can'tfind any evidence to support
this legend of Mordecai Murdoch,like it's there's no evidence.
(07:12):
And we know our boys are goodresearchers, right?
Berly (07:15):
They were saying there was a Murdoch there, but he had
boys, not girls, right? So, justnothing was adding Yeah,
LA (07:21):
nothing, yeah. So they chalk it up to, this is, like, a bunch
of BS not our gig. Like, let's,let's just call this one a
spade. That doesn't make sense.
Call a spade a spade. Isn't thatthe same? I think so. But that
doesn't really okay. Sonothing's adding up. And it just
sounds like a bunch of likebullshit, really, they decide,
well, really, Dean's like,let's, let's forget this. Like,
let's just go get some beers.
(07:45):
Head on. Move on. But then theyhear that the previous night, a
girl did actually die in thehouse. So it was another set of,
like, teenagers, three of them,two girls and a boy, and they
go, and two of them dare thisone girl to go in or otherwise
she has to make out with theboy, which I'm like,
Berly (08:02):
Honey, you could just say no, just say no and walk away.
Yeah? Like,
LA (08:06):
Fuck you guys, yeah. But she goes in. You
Berly (08:08):
need new friends, yeah?
LA (08:10):
She goes in. I mean, good for her, though, brave little
thing, you know, right? I
Berly (08:15):
want me to
LA (08:17):
she goes in and she runs into this ghost who has a long
rope, ends up getting it aroundher neck and hanging her and it
turns out we learned she's likea straight A student had a full
ride to UT.
Berly (08:31):
She's adorable too. Yeah, I
LA (08:33):
mean, awful, Yeah, fucking kids, I'm saying the fuck. I'm
saying the fuck, a lot. It'sokay.
Berly (08:40):
You can say, the fuck Thank you. Thank
LA (08:42):
you. All right, then the next night, the Sam and Dean
returned to the house, but it'slike the police are there.
They've got it taped off, andthey're kind of overseeing it so
that no more kids try to comein. The boys, our boys, Sam and
Dean, Spot Ed and Harry,attempting to get in the house.
I'm
Berly (09:01):
happy you clarified our boys, because I wasn't sure
which boys you were talkingabout.
LA (09:06):
Hey, you should know, since they see them. Dean shouts out,
alerting the officers to theirpresence that so they go taking
off after them, which allows ourboys to get inside. And
Berly (09:17):
it was another ghost bastards shout out. Dean yelled,
who you gonna call?
LA (09:21):
Did he really? I didn't catch that. Yeah, oh, I didn't
Berly (09:25):
know. There's another cute little Ghostbuster shot
that's
LA (09:27):
funny. Once they're inside, they go down to the basement,
and they run into Mordecai, andhe's chasing them. He's, uh, he
this time, he has an ax, right?
An ax has, I know how to speakproper engine, and they blast
off. They start shooting themwith the rock salt, but it
doesn't really slow them down.
It's not working the way we'veseen it work in the exactly,
(09:49):
which is weird. They're like,what the hell. So they break
down the door, and as they do,they run past Ed and Harry, and
they actually have, like, one ofthem has the camera up, and they
actually capture. Footage ofMordecai in the doorway, because
he can't leave past that point.
Berly (10:04):
As far as stunt work goes, that exit out the door
that they did. I loved that.
Yeah. I mean, Sam full bodythrew his doll through the door
LA (10:13):
projectile. And, I mean, I pretty
Berly (10:16):
sure that was Jared Padalecki. You could see his
face. I'm pretty sure that washim and Jensen Ackles running
out that they gave that 110% andI loved it. It was a very fun
shot with them tumbling out ofthe house and Harry and Ed
standing there screaming becausethey got startled from them
(10:36):
coming flying out of the house.
It was one of, not the but oneof my favorite shots of my show
well, and I
LA (10:43):
have to give it to our boys, because they're very smooth in
this episode, that they don'tget caught by these cops, and
they keep the poor Ed and Harrykeep getting caught. So because
they they like fly out of thehouse, basically run past head
and air, head and airy. Yeah. Edand Harry and
Berly (11:05):
disappear they they're just like, gone. But
LA (11:08):
then the cops show up and they get Harry and Ed, I'm like,
what?
Berly (11:11):
How did that happen?
Magic. They're
LA (11:14):
good, they're smooth.
They're smooth criminals. Yeah,they
Berly (11:17):
are. Them win jesters.
LA (11:20):
Then we're back at another hotel, motel. Motel is this was
another. This one wasn't asspacious, but it was Texas out.
It
Berly (11:27):
was Texas as, fuck yeah.
There was the Alamo on the wall.
Yes. There were long horn,Longhorn horn horns, Longhorn
horns hung on the wall. Therewas
LA (11:37):
an armadillo on the table.
It was Texas as far yeah, whichI was, like, knowing that
they're both from Texas and,like, such as, like,
stereotypical Texas thing tohave those things around. It's
like, Come on, guys. You know,it's not like that.
Berly (11:50):
But I'm sure there are some hotels that are totally
like that, absolutely, yeah, butI noticed at one point. I don't
recall exactly where it was.
There was a sign that said Texasroses, and it had, like, the
Texas flag, which is such aTyler Texas thing to see,
there's rose signs everywhere.
So I don't know there's thisTyler roses. They they have
(12:11):
roses all the time. I didn'tknow that. I don't know why I'm
not from the area. I just knowevery time I've gone there, I
see something about roses, huh?
LA (12:19):
Okay, I didn't know he learned something new almost
every day. Well, anyway, at thehotel, they're they're trying to
work everything out and figureout, like, What the hell is
this? Like, nothing's adding up.
It's not our usual, like wefigured out legend. They did
notice that Mordecai, hisspirit, had slit wrists, which I
didn't see. They didn't zoom inon it, okay, well, yeah, when
(12:42):
they mentioned that, I was like,really? I mean, way to be
observant in that moment, guys,
Berly (12:48):
there was a lot going on in the scene, though, so maybe
we should have gone back andpaused to take a look. But there
were more important things tosee in this episode. Trigger so
well, they
LA (12:57):
know that that that was never mentioned in this legend
that they've been told by Craig.
So they go, they go back tohellhounds lair website, and see
that the story has also changed.
Now the legend, supposed legendis has changed, and Dean
recognized as one of the symbolsthat was painted on one of the
walls in the house. And so theydecide that they're gonna go
(13:19):
give Craig boy, another visit,right?
Berly (13:22):
He's been talking about that symbol all the time. Yeah,
I know that. I know I've seenit. What is it? I don't know. He
was even drawing it in themotel, yeah. And so when it
finally clicks where he saw it,they know exactly where to go,
right?
LA (13:36):
And so I love, like, when they like, say something to
Craig, and he's like, Oh, God,these guys. And we find out that
the symbol is actually from aBlue Oyster called album cover.
And Craig, we know, works in therecord store, and he admits that
he and his cousin really are theones that created this supposed
(13:56):
legend. They went into thehouse, painted the symbols on
the walls and the floor. Theyspread the rumor about Marta
Mordecai is just like a prank.
And even Dana was the one whowas hung with that first night
when they went in and she justlike they had just hung her the
certain way and made her lookdead just to scare the shit out
of his friends. Yeah,
Berly (14:15):
real nice. And they gave TCU a shout out on this episode
too. Dana was in town from TCU,yes, but yeah. And Craig luckily
feels like shit. He is yeah, hefeels terrible about the whole
thing, because it was justsupposed to be a joke, yeah. And
somebody actually ended upgetting hurt because of it, so
he feels awful. Yeah, so Craig'sa little shit, yes, but he's not
(14:38):
shitty,
LA (14:39):
Yes, correct? I like that.
Sam brings up the idea thatMordecai, maybe Mordecai is a
two tupla
Berly (14:47):
Tulpa and paws, because in there, hold on. Wait, wait,
wait, I know what he I you knowexactly when he's talking about
this. Hold
LA (14:55):
on. Let me start over. Hold on, because I was gonna say
something. I. Sam brings up thefact that he thinks that
Mordecai is a Tulpa, which is isa manifestation of thought. And
man, he brings this up whilehe's in the shower. Well, he was
in the shower, he was but he'sin the process of getting out,
right? But we don't see him. We
Berly (15:18):
see him. Well, give me a
LA (15:21):
second. So Sam brings this up as he's in the, like, getting
out of the shower. He's in theshower. We don't see him, but we
do see Dean sprinkling, like,chili powder or something. I
Berly (15:30):
thought it was itchy powder,
LA (15:31):
was it? Yeah, like,
Berly (15:32):
can't you get itching powder from, like, a crank, a
gag shop or something? That'snot nice. Like, where you get
the where you get the thing thatyou can wear it on your hand and
shock
LA (15:42):
somebody. But I just didn't know that was a thing.
Berly (15:46):
I know it's a thing. I don't know that it actually
works. Okay. Well, anyway,
LA (15:51):
Dean is putting that powder in Sam's underwear as Sam bursts
out of the bathroom in nothing
Berly (15:59):
but a towel. Yeah, he comes out. I was like, what if
it's a Tulpa, yeah. And I'mlike, what have you dropped the
towel? Holy shit. My what I waswe watched that three, at least
three times. Rewind, play,rewind. Well
LA (16:11):
done. Jared padalucki, my goodness. Like kudos to you and
your wife, wonderful, yeah,
Berly (16:18):
and your kids, yeah. Good for them too, that they can say,
That's my dad. We got,congratulations. We've got those
jeans. We got those jeans. Oh mygosh. It was wonderful. It was,
LA (16:28):
I mean, like, so well built, like,
Berly (16:34):
everything's in the right place, the proportions, yes,
just it was wonderful. It waswonderful. He was still kind of
slick from the shower. Yeah. Hedid a little his little peck
twitch. He twitched his peck athis brother. Uh huh.
LA (16:51):
So that was by far my favorite part of the season so
far,
Berly (16:55):
best, best hands down. I remember I put, I shot my hands
up into like a touchdown symbolwhen he came out of the shower,
and I literally just left myarms up over my head for the
whole rest of that scene. Well,
LA (17:07):
I looked over like, I watched the whole scene, and
then when it was done, I lookedover at you, and your arms are
up, but I thought you had, like,just put them
Berly (17:13):
up because it ended. And you were like, thank you. I put
them up when he came out, girl,and then I just froze.
LA (17:21):
I get it. I didn't
Berly (17:22):
bring them back down until I was reaching for the
remote to rewind. Oh, my God,oh, man. It was, it was a
wonderful scene also.
LA (17:32):
And then when I when they were explaining what a Tulpa is,
I was like man, manifestation ofthought. Damn. I wish I could do
that right now, manifesting that
Berly (17:41):
towel dropping
LA (17:43):
or being right here with me.
You know, anywho. So this, thisparticular symbol, is a symbol
that was painted in the house,and it's a Tibetan spirit sigil,
and it assists in concentratingmental energy. And Sam is
thinking that people who viewthe website, the hell's what is
(18:04):
it? Hell's hell hellhounds.
Hellhounds lair, that whenthey're viewing the website,
they are willing, they're like,willing into reality what they
are reading. And it's so many ofthem that it's really,
literally, like, creating thisspirit in this house. And it
keeps changing, the more peopleare telling the story
(18:24):
differently, right?
Berly (18:26):
Every time they change it on the website, the
manifestation updates itself.
Yeah,
LA (18:31):
so Sam and Dean think so they kind of trick Ed and Harry.
They they tell them that theyfound mordecai's birth
certificate, and it turns outthat he What was it?
Berly (18:42):
I loved how Hang on. I loved how they were talking to
them like we did research. Wefound his birth certificate at
the library, like the way theywere talking. I loved that, and
they deserved it. The harriettawere eating it up. Oh yeah. So
they were like little shits tothem, talking down to them and
all of that know it alls whenthey don't really know what
(19:04):
they're doing. We've all had todeal with people like that in
the past, right? But yeah, theybasically say he didn't do any
of the things in the story. Heactually shot his kids with the
gun, and now he's terrified ofguns. And if he sees a gun or
gets shot by a gun with bulletsthat it'll it'll kill them, and
he'll be destroyed. And thenthey ask them to upload it to
(19:26):
the website so that the tulpa,yeah, will update to do that
too. The more everybody sees it,oh no. They don't ask them to
put it on the website. They tellthem that it's secret and that
they can't tell anybody, andthat they need to shut the
website down, knowing that theguys are going to do the
complete opposite, right?
LA (19:44):
So that when they agree, so that's when they get give them
all the information, and Sam andDean plan they go back to the
house that night, because theythink, Okay, this is it. He now
that the story has changed, wecan kill him with our guns as
they enter in, they're ready.
Guns. Guns, up. You. Flashlightsready? Who do they run into
fucking Ed and Harry Mordecaishows up, starts swinging that
(20:06):
Ax, and the boys start shootingat him, and again, nothing. It's
not doing a thing to him. Andlike, Dean turns to Ed and
Harry. He's like, you, you like,put that up on your website,
right? And they said, Yeah, wedid. But then our server
crashed, so nobody saw it, so ithasn't manifested. And Ed and
Harry end up getting kind ofcornered in this one area of the
(20:29):
house, and Mordecai is afterthem. Our hero, boy, Sam little
Sammy. He runs in there, getsmordecai's Attention, basically
starts fighting with him withthe ax. Mordecai has got him up
against the wall, up his on hisneck, tells the boys to get the
hell out. And Dean's solution toall of this is to light the
(20:50):
place on fire. Let's just
Berly (20:53):
burn this shit down. Burn it down. Yeah,
LA (20:57):
I don't remember how to Sam get out away from Mordecai. I
don't I don't know if they
Berly (21:02):
should. I remember Mordecai like holding the AX up
against Sam and having Sampushed up against the wall,
yeah, and Harry and Ed runningby Sam, or Dean must have come
and helped
LA (21:11):
him. Yeah. Oh, no, I bet it.
I bet it's because the housestarted to go on fire. So his
spirit was probably starting tofade because the house was
starting to but it wasn't reallya spirit. That's right, okay,
it's not important. True,
Berly (21:25):
they survived. That's all you need to know. All four of
them survive. All four of themgot out of the house before it
was a blazon. Yeah.
LA (21:32):
And Dean's thought was that without that part of the legend,
Mordecai won't exist if thehouse isn't there. Now, if
Berly (21:38):
the house isn't there, he's got nothing to haunt right?
People aren't going to continueto tell stories about a place
that they can't actually go toand see, just a field, yeah,
LA (21:47):
the so the guys end up, which we do have, the scene
where, where they're chatting.
Poor Sam is clearlyuncomfortable and having some
itches in certain
Berly (21:58):
places. Yeah? Think I'm allergic to ourselves. Yeah. And
then Dean's just cracking up.
And then we have the scene whereSam gets Dean back with the
super glue on the beer bottle.
Oh, I forgot, yes, yes, yes,yeah. These are all scenes that
happen just when they're talkingabout Mordecai and Tulpas and
all this other kind of stuff. So
LA (22:17):
the best prank of all that, I think, which is funny but
terrible, but they kind ofdeserved it. Is they're saying
goodbye to Ed and Harry. And Edand Harry are boasting about how
they got a call this morningfrom a big Hollywood producer.
They want to start a show withthem, or whatever, and they're
just like, cocky about it, andthey're like, see you later,
guys. And as they drive off, Samadmits that he's the one that
(22:40):
called them. And Dean's like,well, good job, because I put up
dead fish in the back of theirtheir truck, too. Vaccine, yeah,
so Ew, yeah. I thought that wasfunny. And
Berly (22:52):
they drive from Texas to Los Angeles. Is not sure, yeah,
that fish is going to be nasty,
LA (22:58):
yeah? And Sam asks, you know, like, can we call a truce
in this prank war? And Dean's,like, you know, for now, okay,
for now. And that's, that's thatone that is Hell House. This
Berly (23:10):
was one of my favorite episodes so far. It was, it was
fun for a variety of reasons.
Obviously, there's a particularreason, but it was fun. It was a
lot of fun. Yeah, I reallyenjoyed this one.
LA (23:22):
I think the the dynamic of Ed and Harry and then Sam and
Dean was kind of a good, goodthing. Like, I don't know, it
was just cute.
Berly (23:28):
It was really cute. I liked it a lot. But let's get
into the lore. Yeah, therewasn't any Gore I adore. I
adored this whole episode. Ilike you said, I adored the
dynamic between Dean and Sam andEd and Harry. Jared Padalecki,
Jared Padilla, Jared padlecki,
LA (23:48):
idea Texas. Anyway, I know they're not in Texas,
Berly (23:50):
but it was nice to see it. Yeah, still nice to see it.
It was a little dramatized, buthey, yeah, a show about fucking
werewolves and ghosts andwhatever. So for the lore, we're
going to be talking about tulpa.
It's a Tulpa when,
LA (24:05):
yeah, when he was yelling about it from the bathroom, I
was like, What are you? Tulpa?
Tulsa? What
Berly (24:12):
so Tulpa, according to fene.com Buddhism has created a
type of Atlas or almanac of thehuman psyche among the
multiplicities, multiplicity.
You love that movie I do,
LA (24:33):
what does he say? She maybe, maybe I do. Should touch my
puppy, Steve.
Berly (24:41):
I don't know why, but I love it. I saw it was on Hulu or
something, and I just diedlaughing. I didn't even put the
movie on. I just died laughingthinking about how happy you
would be to know that it was onHulu. I love my Michael keen,
oh, he's great. Well, anyway,among the multiplicities implied
by the mind. There is a strangefamily of mental creations known
(25:03):
as Tulpas, which is Sanskrit forto build. It's a Sanskrit world
word for to build. While themind is capable of creating a
world of illusion, it can alsocreate any desired object. Jared
paddleback.
LA (25:21):
I mean, I gotta tap into this.
Berly (25:24):
This process consists of transforming a visualization
into a palpable being. Buddhismasserts to acknowledge the
Tulpas are mental creations thatbecome, as if by magic, semi
autonomous entities, whichthat's basically what Sam was
explaining in the show, thatit's something that you create,
(25:46):
and then once it's created, it'skind of its own thing. Yeah, it
can kind of take on its own.
Yeah, it's gonna do what itwants to do at that point. Yeah.
So according to Wikipedia, inthe 1990s online communities
dedicated to Tulpas spawned onthe four Chan and Reddit
websites. I don't even know whatFortran is. I don't really
either. I've heard it before,but I don't know what it is.
(26:07):
These communities refer to Tulpapractitioners as Tulpa mancers.
Oh, get this. The communitiesgained popularity when adult
fans of My Little Pony starteddiscussing Tulpas of characters
from the My Little Ponytelevision series, the fans
attempted to use meditation andlucid dreaming techniques to
(26:31):
create imaginary friends. Sookay,
LA (26:36):
well, that's
Berly (26:37):
what you're gonna use it for. I thought you were gonna
say they were gonna try tobring, like, one of the little
ponies to life. That's what theywere trying to do. A Tulpa is
basically an imaginary friendthat's real and can actually do
stuff. It's like drop dead Fred.
LA (26:52):
Look at the Why are they all into little my little pony,
there's
Berly (26:56):
a whole group of adult people who are into my little
ponies. I think they callthemselves bronies or something.
LA (27:04):
This just gets weird. Okay, so wait, so
Berly (27:08):
remember they were making fun of bronies on Peacemaker.
No, they said the Green Lanternwas a brony.
LA (27:17):
No, okay, but so you said that they were trying to
manifest imaginary friends, butthey were actually trying to
manifest one of my littleponies.
Berly (27:25):
But that's what a that's what a Tulpa is. It's an
imaginary friend that'smanifested into being something
I get
LA (27:31):
that. But then why didn't you just say that that's what
they're doing instead of animaginary
Berly (27:35):
friend? Because that's what I copied from Wikipedia.
Okay, maybe quit being sonitpicky. Well,
LA (27:40):
no, I was just confused. It confused me because I totally
thought you were gonna say theywere trying to make one of the
My Little Ponies real. I getwhat you're saying, okay, but
Berly (27:49):
I'm saying I'm just about to criticize my semantics. No,
LA (27:53):
no, I'm not criticizing you at all.
Berly (27:55):
I didn't do it.
Wikipedia. Did it Wikipedia? No,
LA (28:00):
no, I'm not criticizing you at all. I just, like totally
thought that's what you're gonnasay. So then when you said that,
that it just threw me
Berly (28:06):
off. But my whole issue is, you believe it's that this
is real. You believe you canmanifest and make this happen,
and you have a whole onlinecommunity of people, and the
thing you choose to manifest isa My Little Pony character
LA (28:19):
that I do not understand, not at all, that is not what I'd
be manifesting.
Berly (28:26):
Okay, so according to savageminds.org, topamancers are
people who, through extendedbouts of concentration of
visualization, produce a specialkind of imaginary friend they
call a Tulpa. So there you go.
There's the connection as to whyI used imaginary friend earlier.
Sorry, I probably should haveput this before the no crony
stuff. It was me. I'm sorry.
(28:49):
Tulpas are understood to bedistinct sentient beings with
their own personalities,inclinations and relative
autonomy through various activeand passive processes known as
quote, unquote forcing, which Idon't like that topomancers
spend hours solidifying theirimpressions of their creations
(29:09):
as something more than just anordinary inner voice. Active
forcing means concentratingsingle pointedly on the tulpa's
form and features. Passiveforcing is when the tulpamancer
finds ways to bring Tulpas intomore regular routines, such as
through narrating, wheretulpamancers chat with or read
(29:33):
stories to their creations. Solike it for real is like an
imaginary, okay, come to life.
LA (29:40):
See, that's disappointing, though I thought might be like,
legit, let's manifest that. Makeit real.
Berly (29:49):
So topa answers, meet Tulpa, but that's what it is.
It's manifested into reality.
That's what makes a Tulpadifferent from an imaginary
friend. Oh, okay, yeah. You.
Tulpa I don't, I don't thinkit's real, real, just in theory.
That's what makes that's whatmakes Tulpas different. Want it
to be real. I know you do, babytulpamancers Meet Tulpas in
(30:11):
imagined environments calledwonderlands.
LA (30:16):
Okay, all right.
Berly (30:18):
These are dream or mindscapes that more fully
contextualize interactions andprovide a place for Tulpas to,
like, hang out when idle. Forsome reason I'm imagining like
the Teletubby world with thebaby face in the sun and all
that. Yeah, I get it. So that'swhere they go when they're idle,
like when they're not being in aconversation, or they're on
(30:42):
pause, they're on pause andthey're in their Wonderland.
Yeah? They also work to perfectimposition, which, again, these
words are just forcingimposition. Yeah, so imposition
is seeing, hearing or feelingTulpas in the real world.
LA (31:00):
Okay? Now I'm interested.
I'm ready. I'm ready.
Berly (31:04):
They may even practice Tulpa possession or even
switching swingers. I thoughtswitching was more of like sub
and Dom like that. You're aswitcher that you don't Oh, like
that. You'll be the dominant onesometimes, and you'll be the
subordinate one sometimes, thatyou switch, you're probably
right. I didn't know, but maybeit is swingers.
LA (31:22):
No, no, no. Swingers are like couples that switch swing
swing with each
Berly (31:28):
people now, know, we know nothing about this kind of
stuff. We Wow. Okay, we justshowed our asses. It's okay.
Sorry, we're ignorant. Well,switching with a Tulpa is when
the tulpa takes over the host'sbody, and the host temporarily
occupies the tulpa's form in thewonderland. I feel like the
LA (31:49):
tulpa gets a little revenge for all this forcefulness,
forcing an imposition.
Berly (31:55):
Yeah. Okay, okay, so the concept of the tulpa as a semi
autonomous entity created by oneor more individuals focused
thought or belief was primarilya mainstay in western eso
centric and parapsychologicalcircles. Western occultists
inherited their vision,inherited their version of
(32:17):
Tulpas from early non Tibetaninterpreters of Tibetan
Buddhism, like French explorerAlexandra, David Neal and
American Walter Evans WentzDavid Neal's description of how
she experimented with making aTulpa In the form of a jolly
(32:40):
monk while in Tibet and heraccount of how this mind
creature was subsequently seenby others who mistook it for an
actual person, and how it becamemore and more sinister, self
motivated and unruly, and thatobliged her to dissolve it.
(33:02):
Okay? So she made, shemanifested her own jolly monk
tulpa. And then when she didn'tlike how it was acting, she
said, Well fuck, I guess I'mjust gonna kill you. Did anybody
else see this? She said thatpeople saw her Tulpa and thought
it was like an actual person. Idon't believe her. Well anyway,
that helped set the tone andterms of subsequent
(33:23):
representations of tolfas. WasAlexandra's story about her
jolly monk.
LA (33:28):
I need a picture.
Berly (33:32):
This was in like proven Alexandra Neal, she lived from
1868 to 1969 so, yeah, she couldhave taken a picture. Okay, so
both David Neal and Evan wincesunderstanding of Tibetan Tulpas
was, in turn, stronglyinfluenced by theosophical
teachings. So that's where, likethe symbol in the show came into
(33:53):
play. Okay, these teachings wererelated to the possibilities and
dangers of quote unquote thoughtforms and quote unquote
Elementals. These ideas werealready in circulation in Europe
and America long before eitherDavid Neal or Evan Wentz ever
went to the Himalayas to studywith Tibetans.
LA (34:11):
You know fun fact about the Himalayas? I don't. I just tell
people die.
Berly (34:15):
People just die there. I don't. I wouldn't call that a
fun fact. Oh no, right? Whenthey climb the mountain, aren't
there like, hundreds of deadbodies on the Himalayas in
LA (34:24):
Nepal? You know, Michael J Fox has Parkinson's? Yes, he
said, When he went there, hewent to visit Nepal. I think it
was Nepal. It's somewhere inthat area that all of his
symptoms went away while he wasthere. Why didn't he move there?
That's what I was thinking.
Berly (34:39):
I buy at least vacation there, right? But, yeah,
LA (34:42):
I was like, that's crazy.
Like, that's crazy energy that'sbeing put there for that to
happen. Yeah, I want to go. I'vealways wanted to go to Nepal.
Yeah. Oh, okay, back to anyway.
Sorry, I just
Berly (34:53):
No worries. You said that is a fun fact. Yeah, now I do
know a fun fact about theHimalayas area. Anyway. Okay,
okay, so while there are noexplicit instructions in Tibetan
tantric Buddhism for manifestinga Tulpa, various advanced
meditative practices do exist,which involve intensive
(35:14):
concentration on andvisualization of image imagined
entities, the dream yogapractices that fall under the
umbrella of six dharmas ofNaropa in particular involve
training and the intentionalproduction of mental forms while
(35:34):
in a lucid dream state, and theso called generation or creation
stage of Tibetan. Tantric yogasrequires the meditator to
imagine, call upon and thenanimate various yidams, or mind
bound meditational deities, soas to draw near them, experience
(35:59):
them and attain their blessings.
I gotta tell you, Tantric Yoga.
I was thinking it was somethingway different, like tantric sex,
yeah? Like, where you just do ayoga pose and have an orgasm
because of it, or something.
Well, yeah, and y'all are, like,together for a long time, yeah?
So this is not what I waspicturing whenever, yeah, this
is a lot that's Tantric Yoga.
(36:20):
That's a lot of visualizationand all this other kind of stuff
that's like discipline, yeah,and calling deities to you, and
all this other lot of stuff. Notat all what I thought it would
have been. Accordingly, bothTibetan Buddhists and Western
occultists have argued thatYidam represent a better analog
for Western esotericists andpulp answers, ideas about
(36:44):
sentient mental entities thanthe actual Tibetan word, sprawl,
paw. That's that. I don't know.
That's the actual Tibetan word,Oh, I see okay for for these
Yidam or whatever.
LA (36:58):
I like that word yet them, I
Berly (37:00):
think that's how you say it. Y, I D, A, M, gidoms, yeah,
I think so. Basically, the tulpaconcept has evolved and
circulated to the point where ithas escaped far beyond any
specifically Tibetan culture,social or linguistic moorings.
So, yeah, clearly, look at thisepisode bronies, man. I mean,
(37:21):
it's become its own damn thing,yeah, and that's it. That's all
I have on Tulpas, okay,
LA (37:26):
I like it interesting. So to close it out,
Berly (37:30):
was that awkward? Cheers, pada, Lucky.
LA (37:32):
Cheers, kudos. Well done. I mean, all the good things to
you, my man, we've
Berly (37:39):
got a quote from Sam to close it out of all the things
we hunted how many existed justbecause people believed in them.
Sam Winchester, I believe inyou. Cheers. Thank you for
listening to denim wrappednightmares.
LA (37:57):
Follow us on Twitter or Instagram. Leave a review and
let us know how we can getinvolved in the fandom.
Berly (38:03):
This was fun,
LA (38:04):
jerk. It always is, bitch.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!