November 30, 2022 • 39 mins
Berly and LA recap and discuss the season one Supernatural episode, Hook Man. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Summary: In the "Denim Wrapped Nightmares" podcast, hosts Berly and LA discuss the Supernatural episode "Hook Man," which draws parallels to the urban legend of the Hook Man. They recap the episode, detailing how Sam and Dean investigate a series of murders linked to a shape-shifter who can change appearances and download memories. The shifter, disguised as Dean, is killed, leading to Dean's public death. They also explore the origins of the Hook Man legend, tracing it back to the 1946 Texarkana murders, where a serial killer targeted young couples on Lovers Lane. The hosts express mixed feelings about the episode, with Berly ranking it lower than others.
Resources:
- https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Hook_Man
- https://horrornews.net/124261/12-urban-legends-turned-into-horror-movies/
- https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/texarkana-murder-mystery/
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Berly (00:01):
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over drinks,we'll discuss the lore the gore
and what we adore about theWinchesters and their
adventures. I'm Burleigh and I'ma new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
Berly (00:27):
tipsy. Hello, LA,
LA (00:28):
hey, Burley,
Berly (00:29):
so I wrote it down, but I completely forgot to bring it up
on our last episode. Oh, do youremember? God, I want to say it
was like almost 20 years agothat I had a doppelganger
running around Dallas.
LA (00:43):
Well, you've had a couple, I feel like, right?
Berly (00:46):
I've had a couple, but I had one in particular. He was an
exotic dancer, yes, yeah, yeah.
And a family friend went to theclub and saw my doppelganger
dancing, and almost got on thephone to call my parents and
tell them I was there, that'sdancing. And then the one that
really grossed me out was that Iwas at like, a gas station or
(01:07):
something, and I can't, I thinkI was buying cigarettes or
something, which gross, ew. Sohappy I quit that. And the guy
behind the counter was like,creepily, like, I know you. Oh,
and I looked at him, and I said,I'm sorry. He's like, I've seen
you before, and like, winked atme, and I just felt so terrible
for her, if that's commoninteractions, yeah, but yeah,
(01:32):
both, both of those guys, werecompletely convinced, not just,
oh, wow, that looks a lot like,like, convinced it was me or I
was her, yeah. So that wascrazy. I feel
LA (01:47):
like you should have gone to the strip club and seen her. Do
you remember when we
Berly (01:51):
went to the strip club and applied and applied to work
there so we could get our friendin, who was underage? Again, we
were like, 20, yeah, and ourfriend was under 18 and couldn't
get in, and so we applied so wecould get in, because our friend
really wanted to go to a stripclub for some reason. Yep, and
that our one friend put her realinformation and then she was
(02:12):
upset when she didn't get acall. Yes, all the rest of us
put fake information, so itdidn't matter, but one of our
friends put her realinformation, and that was
insulted when she didn't get acloset. It's Karina,
Unknown (02:26):
okay, yeah,
Berly (02:30):
okay, but last week's episode was skin, right?
Speaking of exotic dancing,skin, in that episode, Sam and
Dean went and helped one ofSam's old college friends, her
brother, who was also friendswith Sam, was accused of a
murder he didn't commit, and thesister was basically the alibi,
(02:54):
but because he had gotten caughton a security camera, they
didn't believe her, right? Butshe swore up and down. He was
with me all night. There's noway he did this. So how was he
also on the camera, two placesat one two places at one time.
And the brothers figure out thewood, those good old Winchester
brothers figure out they'redealing with a shape shifter who
(03:14):
can not only change hisappearance or their appearance,
I guess I should say, to matchpeople they come into physical
contact with, I guess, but candownload their memories, which
was really eerie, yeah,especially for someone who
decides that I think I'm gonnago murder people. Really scary,
(03:37):
yeah? But they stop the shapeshifter who was in the
appearance of Dean when theykill him. So now Dean
Winchester, as far as the publicknows, is dead. Oh yeah, that's
true, yeah, which they haven'tbrought up again in today's
(03:58):
episode, but I'm sure it'ssomething that will come up
again sooner or later. Yeah,he's dead. It was an interesting
episode, very gory, but Ienjoyed it. Yeah, it was good.
It was good. This week wewatched hook man. So tell me
about hook Man LA,
LA (04:18):
let me tell you. It did remind me a little bit of which,
I'm sure. What was the movieback in the day? I Know What You
Did Last Summer with the hook,
Berly (04:28):
right? An urban legend, yes, yes. I think that one had a
hook, man, too. Okay,
LA (04:32):
yeah. So I think, well, this is just their little version of
it, but we start out in Iowa, atEastern Iowa University, the
Theta sorority house. I thought
Berly (04:43):
it was weird. It's just theta. Yeah, that was it. Got
LA (04:47):
two girls getting dressed for what seems like a night out.
One is named Lori, and the otheris Taylor. Laurie is going out
on a date. She's in a button upand a G. Skirt,
Berly (05:00):
right? It was like a mini skirt, yeah? And then a
business, professional, yeah,button up
LA (05:05):
blouse, party on the bottom, business up top. Um, so her
roommate tells her no, no andgives her, of course, because
back in the day, it was allabout the jean skirts and the
spaghetti strap tops, a halter.
It was a halter, yeah, hers wasa halter. Oh, yes, okay, it was
the friend was wearing thosespaghetti Yes. And so she's
like, What did she say? Partygirl in there somewhere or
(05:26):
something? Yes. I
Berly (05:28):
know there's a party girl in there somewhere, something
like that. She takes off, andher
LA (05:32):
boyfriend, rich takes her to nine mile road under a bridge.
And of course, as you do onthese, you know, late nights
pulling up in the car in a darkplace, rich wants to mess
around. Yeah,
Berly (05:45):
he he seductively struck strokes her collar, but yeah,
with just like, his two fingers,yeah, yeah. What was that?
LA (05:53):
He's like, Is this okay?
She's
Berly (05:55):
gonna go more, right?
She's like, No. And he's like,it's okay, yeah, let me keep it
trying collarbone, but asthey're rich, fuck you rich. She
said, No, no, and
LA (06:08):
you try it again. Yeah, yeah. So as they're as rich as
trying his best, we see, westart to hear a scraping noise,
and then we see what I thinklooks like a pirate in a, like a
leather jacket and a pirate hat.
Berly (06:23):
We actually see his hook hand in the foreground when
they're pulling up and parkingunder the bridge, when they're,
yes, I forgot about that, whenthey're pulling up and parking
under the bridge. And his hookis, like, right there. It blends
in with the leaves. Yeah, it'sso dark. Yeah, you have to look
for it. But it's definitelythere. And it's a cool shot. It
was really cool shot. I enjoyedthat. So
LA (06:45):
he's um, so with second time we see him, he's scraping the
hook along these streets, streetsigns. And I'm like, he's
awfully dramatic. He's like, I'mslowly coming for you. Get
scared of this noise? Of course,I don't think they even heard
it. So because she went, whatwas that? Oh, that's right,
because that's what promptedrich to get out of the car, yep,
Berly (07:06):
go check it out. Yeah.
LA (07:07):
He's like, I'm big man.
Gonna get out there and go checkout what that was. And then he
just, like, disappears. And shestarts to hear the wet, the
scraping on the top of thetruck, yep. And she's freaked
out. And I remember we werelike, Why is she not just
driving away the hook man hadtaken out the tires, right? So
popped those pups that explainedto us why she did not take off.
(07:30):
But she's terrified, likehunched down in the truck, and
then she decides to get out andruns away from the back of the
truck, and she she stops andturns around and sees Rich's
body hanging from upside down,bloodied, and his fingers are
scraping at the top of thetruck. So that's what she heard.
(07:54):
And then she lets out the mostdramatic scream, I mean, and
like, in her body too, like itwas,
Berly (08:05):
it was something after a long pause, yeah, then the
LA (08:11):
Yeah. It was good. Next we see our lovely deed and Sam, and
they're making more inquiries inthe newspaper to try and find
their dad. Sam comes back fromusing a public phone, which we
do not have anymore, really, andshows Dean a newspaper clipping
about an invisible attack on acar in Iowa. And so of course,
(08:35):
they decided to go investigate.
Then we're back at Eastern IowaState University. Or no, I'm
sorry, eastern Iowa University,don't want to get it wrong. And
Sam and Dean arrive, and ofcourse, they have to, like,
always, lie about what they are,and they pose as frat boys from
out of state. They're, what doeshe call them? Their frat
brothers from another orsorority fraternity brothers?
(08:56):
Yeah, they
Berly (08:58):
said they're fraternity brothers from Ohio, but first we
need to address something. Whenthey pull up, there is a car
out, like in the driveway, Oh,yeah. And there's two or three
frat brothers working on thecar. The one who's leaned over
the hood and working on theengine, he
LA (09:15):
looks like he's checking the oil. Is that what he was doing?
I
Berly (09:17):
think so. Okay. And somebody was underneath the car,
yeah. But the one who's checkingthe oil has a banana and is
eating a banana, and no one eversays anything about the banana.
The banana isn't part of thestoryline, and I'm just curious,
why was the banana there?
LA (09:35):
It was a little awkward. It just seemed out of place, right?
Yeah, just like
Berly (09:39):
a half eaten banana. He's just holding it in his hand. He
doesn't let go of the banana atany point. He doesn't take a
bite of the banana at any pointthat we see, he's just checking
the oil with one hand andholding a banana with hanging on
LA (09:51):
to it. Yeah, he just needed to get that potassium in maybe,
you know, but yeah, it wasweird. It was odd, yeah. So they
asked if they can have. Room tostay in the frat house, and
they're put in with a guy namedMurph, who is painting himself
from what looks like, just likea can of paint you get at Lowe's
or Home Depot, not like bodypaint, which you should be
(10:13):
using. And he's covering himselfin it for game day. And it was
he's he asks the guys just comein. He's just like, hey, help me
with this. Get my back for me.
And what is it? It's uh, Dean'slike, Oh, this guy's the artist
here, so you can see what he do,can do with a brush. And Sam is
like, visibly, like, Fuck you,right. Okay. He clutches his jaw
(10:33):
and just stares at him, like,but he paints him. And I feel
bad for that boy, because Iimagine he probably was not
feeling so great after havingthat paint on. As Sam is
lathering him up in the purplepaint, they start to talk to him
about the killing that happenedand with rich, if he knew that,
you know Rich or Lori. And hesays that Lori is a freshman,
(10:54):
and doesn't he say she's like,hot or beautiful or something,
yeah. And it turns out he saysshe's also the local reverend's
daughter,
Berly (11:06):
because which probably has something to do with
everybody thinking she's hot,right?
LA (11:10):
And she's like, Miss Priss, innocent,
Berly (11:12):
yes,
LA (11:13):
you can't touch my collarbone, yeah? So then we're
at the church, and her father,Reverend Sorensen, is giving a
service for Rich's funeral, Iguess. Well, it's not his
funeral. It's just a service inhonor of rich. I think, right? I
didn't
Berly (11:32):
feel, I think it was just like the Sunday service or
whatever. Yeah, and she's andthey were just talking about,
right?
LA (11:37):
And Lori's there with her roommate, Taylor, and Dean and
Sam walk in, the door shuts veryloudly behind Sam, and so Lori
turns around and Hey, she
Berly (11:48):
likes what she sees.
Yeah, I can't blame her. She'snot morning rich too much after
that. You know,
LA (11:55):
she's like, in the late get pants, and she's like, sad
sitting there with Taylor, turnsaround, looks at them, and it's
like, oh, oh, hello, hey.
Berly (12:04):
Yeah,
LA (12:05):
you're right. Can't blame her. Are
Berly (12:07):
you sending me this to deal with my grief? Like, thank
LA (12:10):
you. Thank you.
Berly (12:12):
And also, the Reverend is played by the same actor who
played the Bulldog in Fraser.
Yes, and I could not stop seeingthe Bulldog every time he was on
screen, so it was a little weirdfor me. And then later we'll get
to this point, but later we findout there's a little bit of the
Bulldog in the reverend. Afterall, true, true, true, true,
(12:32):
Mark, Mark.
LA (12:36):
The guys come and sit in and listen to the rest of the
service. And I like that. Samhas to, like, nudge Dean to,
like, put his head down whenthey're praying. Right then
they're outside after theservice, talking with Lori. Sam
seems to take a liking to Loriand is chatting with her. Her
dad comes up. They introducethemselves, and Dean, just,
(12:56):
like, casually. Is like, comewith me, reverend. Like, the
Reverend. Just like, okay,
Berly (13:03):
Dee's like, something about looking for a church group
or something, yeah.
LA (13:06):
And then Sam stays and just kind of questions Lori about
what she saw. And I can'tremember what she just basically
says, like, she couldn't seeanything, right? Like he was,
Berly (13:16):
yeah. She basically just tells Sam what happened with the
scratching and the all of that,but she didn't see anybody, and
nobody believes her event,right? But she didn't see
anybody, and nobody believes herstory, because she claims that
it was an invisible person,
LA (13:34):
right? Okay, so then Sam and Dean head to the library to see
what the lore, I guess, would belike the right urban legends.
They stem from somewhere. Ithink Sam says that in right
Berly (13:47):
they basically say that in there, that whenever Sam is
telling Dean what Laurie toldhim, Dean kind of points out,
well, that's the classic hookman story, and that's when they
kind of think, Okay, well, likeyou just said, most legends stem
from something that reallyhappened, so let's start doing
some research and see if wecan't find something that ties
(14:09):
into this. And
LA (14:11):
since we didn't have, well, we had the internet back then,
but we were still going to thelibrary, the library, library,
yeah, we
Berly (14:17):
were just using the internet for, excuse me, AOL,
chat.
LA (14:25):
So they go in, the lady bring which also she brings in,
like three boxes. They're dustyas hell, but they dive in.
They're mainly looking at arrestrecords for murderers back all
the way back. The records go allthe way back to 1851 for the
city in Iowa,
Berly (14:41):
yeah, and Dean makes kind of a joke about so you did this
for four years of your life, orsomething like that, to Sam. And
Sam's just like, let's dig in.
He's
LA (14:49):
like, Yeah, an education, yeah, that's what. And Sam's pre
Berly (14:53):
law. So actually, that's really going to come in handy
for research, I would think,right,
LA (14:59):
well, and for. For the amount of times that I'm
assuming they probably getarrested throughout, for all the
lying and credit card fraud andwhatnot that they do. Sam finds
a case where a preacher namedJacob Carnes, who had lost his
hand in an accident, murdered 13he was very upset about the red
light district in town. Yeah. Hedid not like it, yeah. So he
(15:20):
murdered 13 prostitutes in 1862and he had lost his hand. Did
they say how he lost his hand?
No, but they said, they justsaid he lost his hand and
replaced it with a silver hookthat he attached to his arm.
Hence
Berly (15:33):
why he had to start dressing like a pirate. Yeah,
because we're going to take thiscliche all the way. Okay, I'm
into it. He looked like apirate. He did look like a
pirate,
LA (15:44):
but lo and behold, it's it all happened. Where on Nine Mile
Road, just
Berly (15:52):
basically their Lover's Lane? Yes, yeah, where
LA (15:55):
Rich was killed. Then it switches to Lori. She and her
dad are outside of or they're inthe car.
Berly (16:02):
Well, they were arguing outside the sorority house.
That's how he's dropping her offafter the service. Her party
girl roommate friend invited herto come back to the sorority
house because they were gonna doshots and watch Reality Bites,
shots of tequila. She said,shots of tequila and Reality
Bites. Good night. Just girlsnight, and her dad was not happy
(16:23):
about it,
LA (16:24):
not into it at all. So they're arguing in the car
because he wants her to comeback and live at home. She, of
course, doesn't want to. Shewants her independence, and it's
important to have thatexperience. I think in college,
I didn't get it. I know you did,but I always think like I
sometimes wish I had had it. Butof course, you know, she's old
(16:44):
enough to make her owndecisions. Blah, blah, blah. She
heads back into the dorm. Beforeshe gets to her room, she sees
another sorority sister at adesk, kind of studying, and
Berly (16:54):
I Levine poster on the wall. So I
LA (16:56):
was so focused on what the Avril Lavigne poster said,
because the the letters werelike, weird or whatever, and I
totally missed that you pointedout there was the scrape along
the wall, yes,
Berly (17:07):
yes. Scratch along the wall and onto the door frame,
right, just like the scratcheswe saw Mr. Drama pirate doing on
the metal signs at Nine MileRoad and on the side of the car.
He's he fucked up the car. Oh,
LA (17:22):
that's right, yeah. So he's been there, or he's there, we
don't know. Or
Berly (17:26):
somebody fucked up their wall, somebody
LA (17:29):
got drunk and their keys accidentally keyed the wall. But
anyway, so she kind of justlooks at that, goes into her
room. Taylor's there, but she'sasleep in her bed. So she goes
and gets ready for bed, shecomes back out, and Taylor does
move because we thought she wasdead,
Berly (17:45):
which we were very upset about, because that's not how
the urban legend goes. Yes, theurban legend goes that they were
already dead, or they were inthe process of being killed,
whenever the roommate came inand decided not to turn on the
lights, and that's why it sayson the wall, aren't you glad you
didn't turn on the lights? So itdidn't make sense, right? But
(18:06):
whatever, we'll let it slide.
Yeah. She was still alive.
Whenever the roommate decidednot to turn on the lights, she
could clearly see her, and shelike, moved in her sleep, hummed
or something,
LA (18:17):
yeah. So then Lori goes to sleep, wakes up, and there's
quite a pool of blood. It was alot under Taylor's bed. A little
too much blood, I feel like, butI don't know, but it was coming
from Taylor's arm that washanging off the bed, of course,
on the wall, that's where itsaid, and it was like, scraped
with her blood. I think, yes,aren't you glad she didn't turn
off the light? He
Berly (18:37):
must have dipped the hook in the in the blood, and then
did the scraping, yeah, and hekind of signed it with a
signature
LA (18:44):
Yes. And I noticed, which I forgot to mention this when the
boys were at the library. Why amI saying it like that library,
when we're back at the library,and they pulled up the they had,
like a drawn picture of JosephCarnes and his hook that he had
made for himself, and it had alittle
Berly (19:01):
um charm, yeah, or key chain bracelet, yeah.
LA (19:05):
And so the low it's not a logo, it was sigil, like a sigil
on it, and that's what wasunderneath the Aren't you glad
you didn't turn on the light?
Then we're back at nine mileroad with Sam and Dean, and
they're kind of checking out thecrime scene in the dark, of
course, naturally, they'reprepared with a shotgun full of
rock salts, because they explainthat it won't kill the spirit of
(19:25):
Carm. The who is it thatexplains it? Dean or Sam?
Berly (19:31):
I think it was Sam being like, yes, because blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. Because Iremember thinking, why are you
explaining this to Dean? Butthen I kind of realized, oh,
because they have to explain itto the audience somehow, and
there's not a stranger standingnearby for them to be explaining
it too. So it was kind of alittle awkward exchange, in my
opinion, but I understand thatit had to be there for us to
(19:52):
know, for us the audience, toknow what the fuck was going on.
So yeah, they got the shotgunwith the rock salt, and they
were walking. Around, and thenthey did this really cool shot
where it makes you think it'sthe hook man coming out of the
forest, but it turns out it'sjust like the local cop, and
he's like, drop everything. Getunderneath. Put hands on your
(20:12):
head, get on your stomach. Itwas just like one thing after
another. And I was like, Iwouldn't know where to stop. I'd
be like, take out her pants,roll over. He
LA (20:21):
was aggressive. He
Berly (20:22):
came in hot, really hot.
Yeah,
LA (20:25):
he was not about to let these boys get him. So they get
arrested, see, yeah, it's onlygonna be the third or fourth
time for Dean that we've seenanyway. So after they're
arrested, we're at the policestation, and Dean has told the
sheriff that Sam was a dumbasspledge and they were just hazing
him. It was a hazing thing, andso the sheriff kind of leaves it
(20:48):
and lets them go, which, I mean,I guess could be believable.
They look a little too old to beyou hush your mouth in a
sorority. Well, I thought thegirls looked a little older too.
Berly (20:58):
This was the days of how old was the girl who played
Andrea on 902 and oh,
LA (21:02):
I don't know well, in clueless. The one girl, the
redhead, I think she was in her30s, Brittany Murphy, yeah. No,
no, not Brittany Murphy,
Berly (21:12):
oh. The other one, the one who's like, I don't want
balls flying, yeah, my face,yeah. I think she was like, in
her 30s, yeah, in the 90s andearly 2000s they often had
people in their late 20s, early30s, playing high school, early
college students. It just iswhat it is. But whenever they
come out and Dean is explainingto Sam the whole hazing thing,
(21:33):
then all of a sudden, all thesecops come running out of the
sheriff's office, right kind offreeze, because they're like, Oh
fuck. What do we do? And thenthey are running to their cars
and taking off. So of course,the guys follow them, and it's
because it's the next morning.
So by now, Lori has woken up andseen the carnage,
LA (21:51):
so that's where they're headed. So the guys follow the
cop cars, and it's, of course,to Lori's dorm room, and the
boys see the cops, you know,chatting outside. They climb a
terrace and go through a window,
Berly (22:04):
yeah. And then, before they climb up, Dean makes some
comment about, like, sororitygirls, Oh, yeah. And it's like,
keep it in your pants, right?
Someone just died. Calm down,Dean. Dean, that Dean Lori's
LA (22:16):
there, and the cops think that she's involved somehow.
Since now, rich died. Now ourroommate died, which, you know,
Berly (22:23):
logical conclusion Exactly. So after they climb up
the what did you call it? It's
LA (22:28):
like a terrace, yeah. Like, that could be the wrong word,
but
Berly (22:32):
yeah. So Dean helps Sam up, and Sam goes up, and they
get in there, and they'relooking at the crime scene, and
Sam notices the signature, youwere talking about sigil. The
sigil is like, I've seen thatbefore, and they had burned the
bones. Oh, I forgot about that.
We're doing terribly with ourrecap. Sorry, everybody bad.
Dean had dug up. Oh no, no, no,no.
LA (22:56):
They go back to the paperwork that they took from
the library. Oh no. They madecopies, and then they see that
Joseph Carnes was buried in thelocal cemetery in an unmarked
grave.
Berly (23:06):
Yes. So then we go outside, and Lori has a blanket
on her because she's in shock.
She's in shock. She has ablanket. It's a little Sherlock
quote for anybody who who mightget it. And her dad has shown up
at this point and is basicallytelling the cops either arrest
her or let me take her home. Sothe cops are like, Okay, we'll
let you take her home. And Deanand Sam decide to split up. Dean
(23:26):
go find the body in thecemetery. Sam is going to keep
watch over Lori, because clearlyshe's tied to this somehow.
LA (23:36):
So we see Dean find the unmarked grave, which it
actually has the sigil on it,which is super convenient for
him to find that reallyconvenient. And he digs, starts
digging, digs him up and bustsinto his Joseph Karns coffin.
And what he gets the salt out,because it purifies things.
(23:57):
Yeah,
Berly (23:58):
Salt, salt and burn. And he pulled out that bottle, and I
thought it was sunscreen. Atfirst, I was like, why is he
pulling out sunscreen? What ishappening
LA (24:06):
at night? Yeah, he lights the bones on fire. And that's
they think that's going to takecare of it,
Berly (24:12):
right? Yes. And then it shows Sam sitting outside of the
preacher's house, and they'rethinking that maybe the dad is
doing it to try and protect thedaughter. So the he sees the
daughter and the preacher havinga fight, and he's just sitting
on the curb out in front oftheir house, Laurie spot Sam,
and it's like, I'm gonna go outthere and talk to this creepy
(24:33):
stalker boy, because he realfun. Get it. Girl, get it. And
she's so sad, and she's like, Idon't know what to do. Let's
make out. And so she tries tokiss Sam, and Sam stops her.
It's like, I can't and he hadconfessed to her that he had
lost somebody recently too. Soshe's like, is it because of the
person you lost? And he says,Yes. And then her dad comes out
(24:53):
and is like, hey, quick messaround, get back in the house.
LA (24:57):
I bet she would have let Sam go. Rub on her collarbone,
Berly (25:01):
right? She should have pulled her shirt aside, and
they're like, Oh, do you seethis? But Dean has burned the
preacher, and all of a sudden,like the the bad preacher, not
the daddy preacher, right? Notbull. He's
LA (25:20):
a reverend. Yes, the Reverend, yeah,
Berly (25:23):
so we'll call him Reverend, yeah. And she Laurie,
I have to go back to this. Loriis upset because it turns out
Reverend Bulldog is a horn dog.
He's hooking up with a marriedwoman, and she's upset with her
daddy. That's why they werefighting. That's important,
because whenever the Reverend isat the door and saying, Hey,
Lori, come back inside. Thehook, man manifests behind him
(25:44):
and gets him well.
LA (25:47):
And she was telling Sam that, you know, like she he's
always taught her that if youknow, you do something bad or
sinful, you get punished for it.
Uh, Sam and Lori run in, tryingto help him.
Berly (25:58):
Sam has the shotgun with the rock salt, he had, like his
bag of goodies with him, so hegrabbed that. They
LA (26:05):
they get in, they go in the room where the the reverend's
been laid to just die, I guess.
And the preacher, Joseph Carnesappears in the room hook ready
to take him out. And Sam shootshim a couple times, and he kind
of flitters, I guess heflitters. He flitters in and
(26:27):
out, and they Oh, then there,then it's next. There at the
hospital. Her dad's all tubedup.
Berly (26:36):
Sam's talking to the cops. The cop is like, why is it
I keep seeing you. Yeah, aroundhere suspicious Dean shows up,
and they kind of figure out,well, Dean salted and burned the
bones, so there must besomething else that Joseph
Carnes is tied to. And that'swhen they kind of figure out, it
must be the hook,
LA (26:57):
right? Because I was like, Well, shouldn't the hook have
been in his coffin with them,but it was weird, yeah.
Berly (27:03):
So then they go back to the library, and Sam finds
something that says that thehook had been donated to the
church, and then it wasreforged, yeah, melted down,
yeah. They don't know what itwas reforged into, so they
decide, let's go to the church.
Sam goes to the House Lori'shouse, or Lori's dad's house,
and Dean goes into the church,and they just decide, okay, this
(27:27):
hook was silver, so just grabanything silver and we're gonna
salt and burn it to get rid of
LA (27:34):
them. Yeah. Well, and they also decide that they know it's
Lori that he's attached to atthis point, not the dad. So,
yeah, so Lori heads to thechurch, and she's praying, you
know, It's all her fault. AndSam comes and sits with her,
tries to console her, and as sheas he's doing, so the hook man
appears again and attacks themagain. And I thought it
Berly (27:54):
was interesting, the hook man seemed to be attacking both
of them at this point, and Iguess it's because Lori was
thinking that she deserved to bepunished at this point, right,
right? So obviously,
LA (28:05):
since he's still coming at them, they didn't get the right
silver piece of whatever wasmade from his hook. And that's
is that. That's when Sam turnsaround and looks at Lori,
because she's like, backing upinto the corner. Now that's when
they're actually, yeah, yeah.
And he turns around and seesthat she's wearing a silver
cross, and asks her where shegot it. And she said her dad
gave it to her, that it was anheirloom of the church, or
(28:27):
something, something like that.
Yeah. And so Sam rips it off ofher neck.
Berly (28:33):
And you liked that I did.
He does this cool toss, likeDean has run up from the furnace
at this point it's like, whatthe fuck is going on? Because
hook man is kicking Sam's ass,like he got Sam with his hook,
he punched him or something likebeat Sam's ass. And they do this
cool little toss where Samtosses the necklace at the exact
(28:54):
same time that Dean tosses ashotgun, right, and they catch
the things at the same time.
That was very wellchoreographed. They nailed it.
LA (29:03):
Dean runs off to throw it in this in the furnace. Again, the
hook band still beating up Sam,and he's coming for them. Hit
Sam and lawyer now both backedup into the corner, and Dean
makes it in time, throws it inthe furnace. And our pirate,
Pirate preacher Joseph Carnes,
Berly (29:22):
burns up, burns up, kind of episodiated into flames,
yeah,
LA (29:27):
and that's that. So then we see Sam getting attended to
outside of an ambulance by theparamedics, which I was very
concerned that Sam's bandage hada lot of blood seeping through
it. It
Berly (29:42):
was a really thick leg,
LA (29:43):
and they just let him go. I was like, did they not stitch
him up? You know? Like, that'slike, maybe redress that for him
a little bit, you know. Well,Lori's there, and she thanks
Sam, and Dean's in the car, andhe's kind of watching from the
rearview mirror. And Sam gets inand
Berly (29:59):
he sees. I'm like, holding hands. Yeah? Well,
they're saying goodbye. And
LA (30:04):
Sam gets in the car, and D tells him, you know, they they
could stay. They don't have togo
Berly (30:09):
here, get it in.
LA (30:13):
But Sam shakes his head no, and they they head out
Berly (30:18):
right off into the sun.
Yeah, our heroes, whoo,
LA (30:21):
their job is done. That was torture. Sorry.
Berly (30:26):
We made it, though, but we got through the recap. So as
far as Gore not too gory. Imean, there was a lot of blood.
I would say the goriest part wasthe roommate, yeah, and rich.
Rich was pretty gory, but theydidn't show it very long, right?
It
LA (30:46):
wasn't very close up, right?
It
Berly (30:48):
was very far out. And, you know, that was pretty gory.
So Rich and the roommate'sdeath, lot of blood. Yeah. I
mean, this wasn't a favorite ofmine so far the episode. Yeah,
I'd rank this toward the bottomof what we've seen so far.
Really, yeah, you liked it. No,I
LA (31:06):
mean, I liked it better than the the airplane one. Really,
yeah,
Berly (31:09):
I liked the airplane one better than this. Okay. It was,
okay. I mean, it was, it wascool to see the like classic
urban legend right at play
LA (31:18):
indeed, got, you know, got, got some kissing in. No. Dean,
I'm
Berly (31:21):
sorry, Sam. Sam did get some kisses. He needed some he
needed some love in. So let'shit the lore, as we've already
kind of touched on the hook,man, is an urban legend. What I
didn't know is that it actuallydates back to the 50s and 60s.
At its core, it's supposed to bea morality play to tell
(31:42):
teenagers to not get in on theback seat your parents station
wagon and get tail like, don'tbe going to Lovers Lane, to go
like, in their parents car inthe back their parents, if
they're teenagers, they likelydon't own their own so, yeah,
they're going in there. I was
LA (32:00):
just thinking like their parents are, ew,
Berly (32:04):
no, no. So, like, at its core, that's what it is, yeah.
Like, if you go fool around onLover's Lane, the hook man's
gonna come and get you, like,and normally it's somebody from
a mental hospital, not, not areverend or a preacher, or
whatever it was, with a hook fora hand and all of that kind of
stuff that he's going to comeget you. So we've seen the
legend covered in various, youknow, things throughout horror
(32:28):
movies. We already talked abouturban legend, and I Know What
You Did Last Summer, Bill Murrayactually retells a version of
the story in meatballs. Oh, notto mention Candyman.
LA (32:41):
Just kind
Berly (32:43):
of a mesh of Bloody Mary and the hook man, yeah. But
where did it originate? Because,as Sam said, All urban legends,
we stem from somewhere they dothat they do basically. This is
kind of proven ish okay to tieback to a bunch of murders that
(33:07):
happened in Texarkana.
LA (33:09):
Oh, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Berly (33:13):
there's no evidence that the killer had a hook. But this
urban legend got really popularin the 50s and 60s, and that's
right, when this massacrehappened. So it's tied very
closely to it. It's actually,according to the Texas
Department of Public Safety, thenumber one unsolved murder case
(33:33):
in Texas history. Oh,
LA (33:35):
wow. Well, I think it's also, they've also questioned
whether it was part of zodiacs,the Zodiac killings too. I have
Berly (33:42):
not heard that because it wasn't Zodiac in a different
state,
LA (33:46):
yes, but it was like teenagers like he, he kind of
like preyed on the same types,type of victims.
Berly (33:54):
Okay, well, in Texarkana, so it was basically in 1946
there were four brutal crimesthat occurred within a span of
less than three months. Threewere violent attacks on young
people parked on Lover's Lane onthe Texas side of town. The
fourth was the shooting of amiddle aged couple in their
(34:14):
rural farmhouse on the Arkansasside at the end of the spree,
three people had been seriouslywounded, and five had been shot
dead. Damn. The traumatizedsurvivors gave the police little
to go on, like they didn't haveshit to say, and fear paralyzed
the town. Women of means packedup their clothes and children
(34:35):
and checked into the downtownhotel grim when their husbands
were away on business like theydidn't even want to be home by
themselves. Wow, others riggedsecurity systems attaching pots
and pans to wires that hung onstring around their property.
It's
LA (34:51):
the old ring ring doorbell,
Berly (34:56):
so that they'd like hear people when they were coming.
Mm. It really is? It reallyregulation, and people who had
never owned guns were sleepingwith loaded pistols by their
beds and made pallets on thefloor for their children so they
could all sleep in the sameroom, like people were fucking
scared. Law men from Arkansasand Texas and members of the
(35:19):
national press overwhelmed thetown in pursuit of the
assailant, who was dubbed thePhantom Killer by the Texarkana
Gazette. So makes sense thatkind of this urban legend could
have stemmed from here, sincemost of the victims were in the
Lovers Lane, kind of scenariodecades later, the mayhem has
(35:41):
barely lost its hold on thepopular imagination, though
imagination is very much theoperative word. A handful of
books of widely varying qualityhave been written about the case
the Town That Dreaded Sundown, alargely fictionalized movie was
(36:01):
released in 1976 such a goodname, such a good title, such a
good title. 30 years after thecrimes that they came up with
the film, even though all thisattention, national attention,
was given to the case, no onewas ever convicted of the
crimes.
LA (36:19):
Wow. You always want, I always wonder, like, when they
it's like, a series of killings,and then they stop, it's like,
did they go to jail? Did theydid that? Arrested for something
else? Yeah, like, you neverknow. But I think the Who's the
guy that was just recentlycaught after so long in
California? Think the hillside,not the hillside strangler, but
(36:44):
shit, forget
Berly (36:46):
what's San Francisco?
Called San Francisco? No, likethe nickname, because you made
fun of me for the Golden StateGolden
LA (36:55):
State killer. Yes, that's Golden State killer. And he
stopped for a period of time,though, like he he did a whole
bunch, but then I think he got,he started family and like, but
he would still call and do theweird,
Berly (37:11):
I'm gonna kill you, like,
LA (37:13):
call them and Creep them out and all that stuff. But he did
stop the killings for a chunk oftime, but then he started up
again.
Berly (37:19):
What if they have really bad ADHD, and they just get
fixated on something for alittle bit, and then they get
tired of it and move on to adifferent fixation.
LA (37:26):
I don't think that is how psychopaths work.
Berly (37:30):
Maybe a psychopath with ADHD,
LA (37:34):
I don't know, but isn't it like, it's like they have a
craving for killing, like theyneed to do it, want
Berly (37:40):
to do it. That's how impulse control when you get
fixated on something. Okay?
Well, maybe, maybe that's it.
Then I don't I wonder what tookthem away from it. That's not my
profession. They discoveredsomething else, like they got
really into puzzles. Instead.
Are you?
LA (37:56):
Who are? You don't try and say, I'm a psycho.
Berly (37:58):
I didn't. I'm just thinking of other hobbies that
could potentially takesomebody's interest where they
would get really into it andmaybe not be doing the other
hobby. True. Not to try andinsinuate that serial killing is
a hobby.
LA (38:12):
Yeah,
Berly (38:13):
no at all. No, no, no.
I'm just trying to think otherthan being arrested or killed,
what could potentially make themdecide to stop doing that. Well,
LA (38:23):
he had he, I think it was when he started a family. So
Berly (38:26):
makes sense, you're not going to be able to sneak away
as much, right? Well, anyway,this episode was a disaster,
LA (38:35):
dumpster fire. Sorry guys.
Berly (38:38):
But to close it out, we got a quote from Dane and all
Dane Winchester, he said, remindme not to piss this girl off.
LA (38:49):
Damn right. Cheer. Cheers.
Berly (38:53):
Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
LA (38:57):
Follow us on Twitter or Instagram. Leave a review and
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You.
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over drinks,we'll discuss the lore the gore
and what we adore about theWinchesters and their
adventures. I'm Burleigh and I'ma new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
Berly (00:27):
tipsy. Hello, LA,
LA (00:28):
hey, Burley,
Berly (00:29):
so I wrote it down, but I completely forgot to bring it up
on our last episode. Oh, do youremember? God, I want to say it
was like almost 20 years agothat I had a doppelganger
running around Dallas.
LA (00:43):
Well, you've had a couple, I feel like, right?
Berly (00:46):
I've had a couple, but I had one in particular. He was an
exotic dancer, yes, yeah, yeah.
And a family friend went to theclub and saw my doppelganger
dancing, and almost got on thephone to call my parents and
tell them I was there, that'sdancing. And then the one that
really grossed me out was that Iwas at like, a gas station or
(01:07):
something, and I can't, I thinkI was buying cigarettes or
something, which gross, ew. Sohappy I quit that. And the guy
behind the counter was like,creepily, like, I know you. Oh,
and I looked at him, and I said,I'm sorry. He's like, I've seen
you before, and like, winked atme, and I just felt so terrible
for her, if that's commoninteractions, yeah, but yeah,
(01:32):
both, both of those guys, werecompletely convinced, not just,
oh, wow, that looks a lot like,like, convinced it was me or I
was her, yeah. So that wascrazy. I feel
LA (01:47):
like you should have gone to the strip club and seen her. Do
you remember when we
Berly (01:51):
went to the strip club and applied and applied to work
there so we could get our friendin, who was underage? Again, we
were like, 20, yeah, and ourfriend was under 18 and couldn't
get in, and so we applied so wecould get in, because our friend
really wanted to go to a stripclub for some reason. Yep, and
that our one friend put her realinformation and then she was
(02:12):
upset when she didn't get acall. Yes, all the rest of us
put fake information, so itdidn't matter, but one of our
friends put her realinformation, and that was
insulted when she didn't get acloset. It's Karina,
Unknown (02:26):
okay, yeah,
Berly (02:30):
okay, but last week's episode was skin, right?
Speaking of exotic dancing,skin, in that episode, Sam and
Dean went and helped one ofSam's old college friends, her
brother, who was also friendswith Sam, was accused of a
murder he didn't commit, and thesister was basically the alibi,
(02:54):
but because he had gotten caughton a security camera, they
didn't believe her, right? Butshe swore up and down. He was
with me all night. There's noway he did this. So how was he
also on the camera, two placesat one two places at one time.
And the brothers figure out thewood, those good old Winchester
brothers figure out they'redealing with a shape shifter who
(03:14):
can not only change hisappearance or their appearance,
I guess I should say, to matchpeople they come into physical
contact with, I guess, but candownload their memories, which
was really eerie, yeah,especially for someone who
decides that I think I'm gonnago murder people. Really scary,
(03:37):
yeah? But they stop the shapeshifter who was in the
appearance of Dean when theykill him. So now Dean
Winchester, as far as the publicknows, is dead. Oh yeah, that's
true, yeah, which they haven'tbrought up again in today's
(03:58):
episode, but I'm sure it'ssomething that will come up
again sooner or later. Yeah,he's dead. It was an interesting
episode, very gory, but Ienjoyed it. Yeah, it was good.
It was good. This week wewatched hook man. So tell me
about hook Man LA,
LA (04:18):
let me tell you. It did remind me a little bit of which,
I'm sure. What was the movieback in the day? I Know What You
Did Last Summer with the hook,
Berly (04:28):
right? An urban legend, yes, yes. I think that one had a
hook, man, too. Okay,
LA (04:32):
yeah. So I think, well, this is just their little version of
it, but we start out in Iowa, atEastern Iowa University, the
Theta sorority house. I thought
Berly (04:43):
it was weird. It's just theta. Yeah, that was it. Got
LA (04:47):
two girls getting dressed for what seems like a night out.
One is named Lori, and the otheris Taylor. Laurie is going out
on a date. She's in a button upand a G. Skirt,
Berly (05:00):
right? It was like a mini skirt, yeah? And then a
business, professional, yeah,button up
LA (05:05):
blouse, party on the bottom, business up top. Um, so her
roommate tells her no, no andgives her, of course, because
back in the day, it was allabout the jean skirts and the
spaghetti strap tops, a halter.
It was a halter, yeah, hers wasa halter. Oh, yes, okay, it was
the friend was wearing thosespaghetti Yes. And so she's
like, What did she say? Partygirl in there somewhere or
(05:26):
something? Yes. I
Berly (05:28):
know there's a party girl in there somewhere, something
like that. She takes off, andher
LA (05:32):
boyfriend, rich takes her to nine mile road under a bridge.
And of course, as you do onthese, you know, late nights
pulling up in the car in a darkplace, rich wants to mess
around. Yeah,
Berly (05:45):
he he seductively struck strokes her collar, but yeah,
with just like, his two fingers,yeah, yeah. What was that?
LA (05:53):
He's like, Is this okay?
She's
Berly (05:55):
gonna go more, right?
She's like, No. And he's like,it's okay, yeah, let me keep it
trying collarbone, but asthey're rich, fuck you rich. She
said, No, no, and
LA (06:08):
you try it again. Yeah, yeah. So as they're as rich as
trying his best, we see, westart to hear a scraping noise,
and then we see what I thinklooks like a pirate in a, like a
leather jacket and a pirate hat.
Berly (06:23):
We actually see his hook hand in the foreground when
they're pulling up and parkingunder the bridge, when they're,
yes, I forgot about that, whenthey're pulling up and parking
under the bridge. And his hookis, like, right there. It blends
in with the leaves. Yeah, it'sso dark. Yeah, you have to look
for it. But it's definitelythere. And it's a cool shot. It
was really cool shot. I enjoyedthat. So
LA (06:45):
he's um, so with second time we see him, he's scraping the
hook along these streets, streetsigns. And I'm like, he's
awfully dramatic. He's like, I'mslowly coming for you. Get
scared of this noise? Of course,I don't think they even heard
it. So because she went, whatwas that? Oh, that's right,
because that's what promptedrich to get out of the car, yep,
Berly (07:06):
go check it out. Yeah.
LA (07:07):
He's like, I'm big man.
Gonna get out there and go checkout what that was. And then he
just, like, disappears. And shestarts to hear the wet, the
scraping on the top of thetruck, yep. And she's freaked
out. And I remember we werelike, Why is she not just
driving away the hook man hadtaken out the tires, right? So
popped those pups that explainedto us why she did not take off.
(07:30):
But she's terrified, likehunched down in the truck, and
then she decides to get out andruns away from the back of the
truck, and she she stops andturns around and sees Rich's
body hanging from upside down,bloodied, and his fingers are
scraping at the top of thetruck. So that's what she heard.
(07:54):
And then she lets out the mostdramatic scream, I mean, and
like, in her body too, like itwas,
Berly (08:05):
it was something after a long pause, yeah, then the
LA (08:11):
Yeah. It was good. Next we see our lovely deed and Sam, and
they're making more inquiries inthe newspaper to try and find
their dad. Sam comes back fromusing a public phone, which we
do not have anymore, really, andshows Dean a newspaper clipping
about an invisible attack on acar in Iowa. And so of course,
(08:35):
they decided to go investigate.
Then we're back at Eastern IowaState University. Or no, I'm
sorry, eastern Iowa University,don't want to get it wrong. And
Sam and Dean arrive, and ofcourse, they have to, like,
always, lie about what they are,and they pose as frat boys from
out of state. They're, what doeshe call them? Their frat
brothers from another orsorority fraternity brothers?
(08:56):
Yeah, they
Berly (08:58):
said they're fraternity brothers from Ohio, but first we
need to address something. Whenthey pull up, there is a car
out, like in the driveway, Oh,yeah. And there's two or three
frat brothers working on thecar. The one who's leaned over
the hood and working on theengine, he
LA (09:15):
looks like he's checking the oil. Is that what he was doing?
I
Berly (09:17):
think so. Okay. And somebody was underneath the car,
yeah. But the one who's checkingthe oil has a banana and is
eating a banana, and no one eversays anything about the banana.
The banana isn't part of thestoryline, and I'm just curious,
why was the banana there?
LA (09:35):
It was a little awkward. It just seemed out of place, right?
Yeah, just like
Berly (09:39):
a half eaten banana. He's just holding it in his hand. He
doesn't let go of the banana atany point. He doesn't take a
bite of the banana at any pointthat we see, he's just checking
the oil with one hand andholding a banana with hanging on
LA (09:51):
to it. Yeah, he just needed to get that potassium in maybe,
you know, but yeah, it wasweird. It was odd, yeah. So they
asked if they can have. Room tostay in the frat house, and
they're put in with a guy namedMurph, who is painting himself
from what looks like, just likea can of paint you get at Lowe's
or Home Depot, not like bodypaint, which you should be
(10:13):
using. And he's covering himselfin it for game day. And it was
he's he asks the guys just comein. He's just like, hey, help me
with this. Get my back for me.
And what is it? It's uh, Dean'slike, Oh, this guy's the artist
here, so you can see what he do,can do with a brush. And Sam is
like, visibly, like, Fuck you,right. Okay. He clutches his jaw
(10:33):
and just stares at him, like,but he paints him. And I feel
bad for that boy, because Iimagine he probably was not
feeling so great after havingthat paint on. As Sam is
lathering him up in the purplepaint, they start to talk to him
about the killing that happenedand with rich, if he knew that,
you know Rich or Lori. And hesays that Lori is a freshman,
(10:54):
and doesn't he say she's like,hot or beautiful or something,
yeah. And it turns out he saysshe's also the local reverend's
daughter,
Berly (11:06):
because which probably has something to do with
everybody thinking she's hot,right?
LA (11:10):
And she's like, Miss Priss, innocent,
Berly (11:12):
yes,
LA (11:13):
you can't touch my collarbone, yeah? So then we're
at the church, and her father,Reverend Sorensen, is giving a
service for Rich's funeral, Iguess. Well, it's not his
funeral. It's just a service inhonor of rich. I think, right? I
didn't
Berly (11:32):
feel, I think it was just like the Sunday service or
whatever. Yeah, and she's andthey were just talking about,
right?
LA (11:37):
And Lori's there with her roommate, Taylor, and Dean and
Sam walk in, the door shuts veryloudly behind Sam, and so Lori
turns around and Hey, she
Berly (11:48):
likes what she sees.
Yeah, I can't blame her. She'snot morning rich too much after
that. You know,
LA (11:55):
she's like, in the late get pants, and she's like, sad
sitting there with Taylor, turnsaround, looks at them, and it's
like, oh, oh, hello, hey.
Berly (12:04):
Yeah,
LA (12:05):
you're right. Can't blame her. Are
Berly (12:07):
you sending me this to deal with my grief? Like, thank
LA (12:10):
you. Thank you.
Berly (12:12):
And also, the Reverend is played by the same actor who
played the Bulldog in Fraser.
Yes, and I could not stop seeingthe Bulldog every time he was on
screen, so it was a little weirdfor me. And then later we'll get
to this point, but later we findout there's a little bit of the
Bulldog in the reverend. Afterall, true, true, true, true,
(12:32):
Mark, Mark.
LA (12:36):
The guys come and sit in and listen to the rest of the
service. And I like that. Samhas to, like, nudge Dean to,
like, put his head down whenthey're praying. Right then
they're outside after theservice, talking with Lori. Sam
seems to take a liking to Loriand is chatting with her. Her
dad comes up. They introducethemselves, and Dean, just,
(12:56):
like, casually. Is like, comewith me, reverend. Like, the
Reverend. Just like, okay,
Berly (13:03):
Dee's like, something about looking for a church group
or something, yeah.
LA (13:06):
And then Sam stays and just kind of questions Lori about
what she saw. And I can'tremember what she just basically
says, like, she couldn't seeanything, right? Like he was,
Berly (13:16):
yeah. She basically just tells Sam what happened with the
scratching and the all of that,but she didn't see anybody, and
nobody believes her event,right? But she didn't see
anybody, and nobody believes herstory, because she claims that
it was an invisible person,
LA (13:34):
right? Okay, so then Sam and Dean head to the library to see
what the lore, I guess, would belike the right urban legends.
They stem from somewhere. Ithink Sam says that in right
Berly (13:47):
they basically say that in there, that whenever Sam is
telling Dean what Laurie toldhim, Dean kind of points out,
well, that's the classic hookman story, and that's when they
kind of think, Okay, well, likeyou just said, most legends stem
from something that reallyhappened, so let's start doing
some research and see if wecan't find something that ties
(14:09):
into this. And
LA (14:11):
since we didn't have, well, we had the internet back then,
but we were still going to thelibrary, the library, library,
yeah, we
Berly (14:17):
were just using the internet for, excuse me, AOL,
chat.
LA (14:25):
So they go in, the lady bring which also she brings in,
like three boxes. They're dustyas hell, but they dive in.
They're mainly looking at arrestrecords for murderers back all
the way back. The records go allthe way back to 1851 for the
city in Iowa,
Berly (14:41):
yeah, and Dean makes kind of a joke about so you did this
for four years of your life, orsomething like that, to Sam. And
Sam's just like, let's dig in.
He's
LA (14:49):
like, Yeah, an education, yeah, that's what. And Sam's pre
Berly (14:53):
law. So actually, that's really going to come in handy
for research, I would think,right,
LA (14:59):
well, and for. For the amount of times that I'm
assuming they probably getarrested throughout, for all the
lying and credit card fraud andwhatnot that they do. Sam finds
a case where a preacher namedJacob Carnes, who had lost his
hand in an accident, murdered 13he was very upset about the red
light district in town. Yeah. Hedid not like it, yeah. So he
(15:20):
murdered 13 prostitutes in 1862and he had lost his hand. Did
they say how he lost his hand?
No, but they said, they justsaid he lost his hand and
replaced it with a silver hookthat he attached to his arm.
Hence
Berly (15:33):
why he had to start dressing like a pirate. Yeah,
because we're going to take thiscliche all the way. Okay, I'm
into it. He looked like apirate. He did look like a
pirate,
LA (15:44):
but lo and behold, it's it all happened. Where on Nine Mile
Road, just
Berly (15:52):
basically their Lover's Lane? Yes, yeah, where
LA (15:55):
Rich was killed. Then it switches to Lori. She and her
dad are outside of or they're inthe car.
Berly (16:02):
Well, they were arguing outside the sorority house.
That's how he's dropping her offafter the service. Her party
girl roommate friend invited herto come back to the sorority
house because they were gonna doshots and watch Reality Bites,
shots of tequila. She said,shots of tequila and Reality
Bites. Good night. Just girlsnight, and her dad was not happy
(16:23):
about it,
LA (16:24):
not into it at all. So they're arguing in the car
because he wants her to comeback and live at home. She, of
course, doesn't want to. Shewants her independence, and it's
important to have thatexperience. I think in college,
I didn't get it. I know you did,but I always think like I
sometimes wish I had had it. Butof course, you know, she's old
(16:44):
enough to make her owndecisions. Blah, blah, blah. She
heads back into the dorm. Beforeshe gets to her room, she sees
another sorority sister at adesk, kind of studying, and
Berly (16:54):
I Levine poster on the wall. So I
LA (16:56):
was so focused on what the Avril Lavigne poster said,
because the the letters werelike, weird or whatever, and I
totally missed that you pointedout there was the scrape along
the wall, yes,
Berly (17:07):
yes. Scratch along the wall and onto the door frame,
right, just like the scratcheswe saw Mr. Drama pirate doing on
the metal signs at Nine MileRoad and on the side of the car.
He's he fucked up the car. Oh,
LA (17:22):
that's right, yeah. So he's been there, or he's there, we
don't know. Or
Berly (17:26):
somebody fucked up their wall, somebody
LA (17:29):
got drunk and their keys accidentally keyed the wall. But
anyway, so she kind of justlooks at that, goes into her
room. Taylor's there, but she'sasleep in her bed. So she goes
and gets ready for bed, shecomes back out, and Taylor does
move because we thought she wasdead,
Berly (17:45):
which we were very upset about, because that's not how
the urban legend goes. Yes, theurban legend goes that they were
already dead, or they were inthe process of being killed,
whenever the roommate came inand decided not to turn on the
lights, and that's why it sayson the wall, aren't you glad you
didn't turn on the lights? So itdidn't make sense, right? But
(18:06):
whatever, we'll let it slide.
Yeah. She was still alive.
Whenever the roommate decidednot to turn on the lights, she
could clearly see her, and shelike, moved in her sleep, hummed
or something,
LA (18:17):
yeah. So then Lori goes to sleep, wakes up, and there's
quite a pool of blood. It was alot under Taylor's bed. A little
too much blood, I feel like, butI don't know, but it was coming
from Taylor's arm that washanging off the bed, of course,
on the wall, that's where itsaid, and it was like, scraped
with her blood. I think, yes,aren't you glad she didn't turn
off the light? He
Berly (18:37):
must have dipped the hook in the in the blood, and then
did the scraping, yeah, and hekind of signed it with a
signature
LA (18:44):
Yes. And I noticed, which I forgot to mention this when the
boys were at the library. Why amI saying it like that library,
when we're back at the library,and they pulled up the they had,
like a drawn picture of JosephCarnes and his hook that he had
made for himself, and it had alittle
Berly (19:01):
um charm, yeah, or key chain bracelet, yeah.
LA (19:05):
And so the low it's not a logo, it was sigil, like a sigil
on it, and that's what wasunderneath the Aren't you glad
you didn't turn on the light?
Then we're back at nine mileroad with Sam and Dean, and
they're kind of checking out thecrime scene in the dark, of
course, naturally, they'reprepared with a shotgun full of
rock salts, because they explainthat it won't kill the spirit of
(19:25):
Carm. The who is it thatexplains it? Dean or Sam?
Berly (19:31):
I think it was Sam being like, yes, because blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. Because Iremember thinking, why are you
explaining this to Dean? Butthen I kind of realized, oh,
because they have to explain itto the audience somehow, and
there's not a stranger standingnearby for them to be explaining
it too. So it was kind of alittle awkward exchange, in my
opinion, but I understand thatit had to be there for us to
(19:52):
know, for us the audience, toknow what the fuck was going on.
So yeah, they got the shotgunwith the rock salt, and they
were walking. Around, and thenthey did this really cool shot
where it makes you think it'sthe hook man coming out of the
forest, but it turns out it'sjust like the local cop, and
he's like, drop everything. Getunderneath. Put hands on your
(20:12):
head, get on your stomach. Itwas just like one thing after
another. And I was like, Iwouldn't know where to stop. I'd
be like, take out her pants,roll over. He
LA (20:21):
was aggressive. He
Berly (20:22):
came in hot, really hot.
Yeah,
LA (20:25):
he was not about to let these boys get him. So they get
arrested, see, yeah, it's onlygonna be the third or fourth
time for Dean that we've seenanyway. So after they're
arrested, we're at the policestation, and Dean has told the
sheriff that Sam was a dumbasspledge and they were just hazing
him. It was a hazing thing, andso the sheriff kind of leaves it
(20:48):
and lets them go, which, I mean,I guess could be believable.
They look a little too old to beyou hush your mouth in a
sorority. Well, I thought thegirls looked a little older too.
Berly (20:58):
This was the days of how old was the girl who played
Andrea on 902 and oh,
LA (21:02):
I don't know well, in clueless. The one girl, the
redhead, I think she was in her30s, Brittany Murphy, yeah. No,
no, not Brittany Murphy,
Berly (21:12):
oh. The other one, the one who's like, I don't want
balls flying, yeah, my face,yeah. I think she was like, in
her 30s, yeah, in the 90s andearly 2000s they often had
people in their late 20s, early30s, playing high school, early
college students. It just iswhat it is. But whenever they
come out and Dean is explainingto Sam the whole hazing thing,
(21:33):
then all of a sudden, all thesecops come running out of the
sheriff's office, right kind offreeze, because they're like, Oh
fuck. What do we do? And thenthey are running to their cars
and taking off. So of course,the guys follow them, and it's
because it's the next morning.
So by now, Lori has woken up andseen the carnage,
LA (21:51):
so that's where they're headed. So the guys follow the
cop cars, and it's, of course,to Lori's dorm room, and the
boys see the cops, you know,chatting outside. They climb a
terrace and go through a window,
Berly (22:04):
yeah. And then, before they climb up, Dean makes some
comment about, like, sororitygirls, Oh, yeah. And it's like,
keep it in your pants, right?
Someone just died. Calm down,Dean. Dean, that Dean Lori's
LA (22:16):
there, and the cops think that she's involved somehow.
Since now, rich died. Now ourroommate died, which, you know,
Berly (22:23):
logical conclusion Exactly. So after they climb up
the what did you call it? It's
LA (22:28):
like a terrace, yeah. Like, that could be the wrong word,
but
Berly (22:32):
yeah. So Dean helps Sam up, and Sam goes up, and they
get in there, and they'relooking at the crime scene, and
Sam notices the signature, youwere talking about sigil. The
sigil is like, I've seen thatbefore, and they had burned the
bones. Oh, I forgot about that.
We're doing terribly with ourrecap. Sorry, everybody bad.
Dean had dug up. Oh no, no, no,no.
LA (22:56):
They go back to the paperwork that they took from
the library. Oh no. They madecopies, and then they see that
Joseph Carnes was buried in thelocal cemetery in an unmarked
grave.
Berly (23:06):
Yes. So then we go outside, and Lori has a blanket
on her because she's in shock.
She's in shock. She has ablanket. It's a little Sherlock
quote for anybody who who mightget it. And her dad has shown up
at this point and is basicallytelling the cops either arrest
her or let me take her home. Sothe cops are like, Okay, we'll
let you take her home. And Deanand Sam decide to split up. Dean
(23:26):
go find the body in thecemetery. Sam is going to keep
watch over Lori, because clearlyshe's tied to this somehow.
LA (23:36):
So we see Dean find the unmarked grave, which it
actually has the sigil on it,which is super convenient for
him to find that reallyconvenient. And he digs, starts
digging, digs him up and bustsinto his Joseph Karns coffin.
And what he gets the salt out,because it purifies things.
(23:57):
Yeah,
Berly (23:58):
Salt, salt and burn. And he pulled out that bottle, and I
thought it was sunscreen. Atfirst, I was like, why is he
pulling out sunscreen? What ishappening
LA (24:06):
at night? Yeah, he lights the bones on fire. And that's
they think that's going to takecare of it,
Berly (24:12):
right? Yes. And then it shows Sam sitting outside of the
preacher's house, and they'rethinking that maybe the dad is
doing it to try and protect thedaughter. So the he sees the
daughter and the preacher havinga fight, and he's just sitting
on the curb out in front oftheir house, Laurie spot Sam,
and it's like, I'm gonna go outthere and talk to this creepy
(24:33):
stalker boy, because he realfun. Get it. Girl, get it. And
she's so sad, and she's like, Idon't know what to do. Let's
make out. And so she tries tokiss Sam, and Sam stops her.
It's like, I can't and he hadconfessed to her that he had
lost somebody recently too. Soshe's like, is it because of the
person you lost? And he says,Yes. And then her dad comes out
(24:53):
and is like, hey, quick messaround, get back in the house.
LA (24:57):
I bet she would have let Sam go. Rub on her collarbone,
Berly (25:01):
right? She should have pulled her shirt aside, and
they're like, Oh, do you seethis? But Dean has burned the
preacher, and all of a sudden,like the the bad preacher, not
the daddy preacher, right? Notbull. He's
LA (25:20):
a reverend. Yes, the Reverend, yeah,
Berly (25:23):
so we'll call him Reverend, yeah. And she Laurie,
I have to go back to this. Loriis upset because it turns out
Reverend Bulldog is a horn dog.
He's hooking up with a marriedwoman, and she's upset with her
daddy. That's why they werefighting. That's important,
because whenever the Reverend isat the door and saying, Hey,
Lori, come back inside. Thehook, man manifests behind him
(25:44):
and gets him well.
LA (25:47):
And she was telling Sam that, you know, like she he's
always taught her that if youknow, you do something bad or
sinful, you get punished for it.
Uh, Sam and Lori run in, tryingto help him.
Berly (25:58):
Sam has the shotgun with the rock salt, he had, like his
bag of goodies with him, so hegrabbed that. They
LA (26:05):
they get in, they go in the room where the the reverend's
been laid to just die, I guess.
And the preacher, Joseph Carnesappears in the room hook ready
to take him out. And Sam shootshim a couple times, and he kind
of flitters, I guess heflitters. He flitters in and
(26:27):
out, and they Oh, then there,then it's next. There at the
hospital. Her dad's all tubedup.
Berly (26:36):
Sam's talking to the cops. The cop is like, why is it
I keep seeing you. Yeah, aroundhere suspicious Dean shows up,
and they kind of figure out,well, Dean salted and burned the
bones, so there must besomething else that Joseph
Carnes is tied to. And that'swhen they kind of figure out, it
must be the hook,
LA (26:57):
right? Because I was like, Well, shouldn't the hook have
been in his coffin with them,but it was weird, yeah.
Berly (27:03):
So then they go back to the library, and Sam finds
something that says that thehook had been donated to the
church, and then it wasreforged, yeah, melted down,
yeah. They don't know what itwas reforged into, so they
decide, let's go to the church.
Sam goes to the House Lori'shouse, or Lori's dad's house,
and Dean goes into the church,and they just decide, okay, this
(27:27):
hook was silver, so just grabanything silver and we're gonna
salt and burn it to get rid of
LA (27:34):
them. Yeah. Well, and they also decide that they know it's
Lori that he's attached to atthis point, not the dad. So,
yeah, so Lori heads to thechurch, and she's praying, you
know, It's all her fault. AndSam comes and sits with her,
tries to console her, and as sheas he's doing, so the hook man
appears again and attacks themagain. And I thought it
Berly (27:54):
was interesting, the hook man seemed to be attacking both
of them at this point, and Iguess it's because Lori was
thinking that she deserved to bepunished at this point, right,
right? So obviously,
LA (28:05):
since he's still coming at them, they didn't get the right
silver piece of whatever wasmade from his hook. And that's
is that. That's when Sam turnsaround and looks at Lori,
because she's like, backing upinto the corner. Now that's when
they're actually, yeah, yeah.
And he turns around and seesthat she's wearing a silver
cross, and asks her where shegot it. And she said her dad
gave it to her, that it was anheirloom of the church, or
(28:27):
something, something like that.
Yeah. And so Sam rips it off ofher neck.
Berly (28:33):
And you liked that I did.
He does this cool toss, likeDean has run up from the furnace
at this point it's like, whatthe fuck is going on? Because
hook man is kicking Sam's ass,like he got Sam with his hook,
he punched him or something likebeat Sam's ass. And they do this
cool little toss where Samtosses the necklace at the exact
(28:54):
same time that Dean tosses ashotgun, right, and they catch
the things at the same time.
That was very wellchoreographed. They nailed it.
LA (29:03):
Dean runs off to throw it in this in the furnace. Again, the
hook band still beating up Sam,and he's coming for them. Hit
Sam and lawyer now both backedup into the corner, and Dean
makes it in time, throws it inthe furnace. And our pirate,
Pirate preacher Joseph Carnes,
Berly (29:22):
burns up, burns up, kind of episodiated into flames,
yeah,
LA (29:27):
and that's that. So then we see Sam getting attended to
outside of an ambulance by theparamedics, which I was very
concerned that Sam's bandage hada lot of blood seeping through
it. It
Berly (29:42):
was a really thick leg,
LA (29:43):
and they just let him go. I was like, did they not stitch
him up? You know? Like, that'slike, maybe redress that for him
a little bit, you know. Well,Lori's there, and she thanks
Sam, and Dean's in the car, andhe's kind of watching from the
rearview mirror. And Sam gets inand
Berly (29:59):
he sees. I'm like, holding hands. Yeah? Well,
they're saying goodbye. And
LA (30:04):
Sam gets in the car, and D tells him, you know, they they
could stay. They don't have togo
Berly (30:09):
here, get it in.
LA (30:13):
But Sam shakes his head no, and they they head out
Berly (30:18):
right off into the sun.
Yeah, our heroes, whoo,
LA (30:21):
their job is done. That was torture. Sorry.
Berly (30:26):
We made it, though, but we got through the recap. So as
far as Gore not too gory. Imean, there was a lot of blood.
I would say the goriest part wasthe roommate, yeah, and rich.
Rich was pretty gory, but theydidn't show it very long, right?
It
LA (30:46):
wasn't very close up, right?
It
Berly (30:48):
was very far out. And, you know, that was pretty gory.
So Rich and the roommate'sdeath, lot of blood. Yeah. I
mean, this wasn't a favorite ofmine so far the episode. Yeah,
I'd rank this toward the bottomof what we've seen so far.
Really, yeah, you liked it. No,I
LA (31:06):
mean, I liked it better than the the airplane one. Really,
yeah,
Berly (31:09):
I liked the airplane one better than this. Okay. It was,
okay. I mean, it was, it wascool to see the like classic
urban legend right at play
LA (31:18):
indeed, got, you know, got, got some kissing in. No. Dean,
I'm
Berly (31:21):
sorry, Sam. Sam did get some kisses. He needed some he
needed some love in. So let'shit the lore, as we've already
kind of touched on the hook,man, is an urban legend. What I
didn't know is that it actuallydates back to the 50s and 60s.
At its core, it's supposed to bea morality play to tell
(31:42):
teenagers to not get in on theback seat your parents station
wagon and get tail like, don'tbe going to Lovers Lane, to go
like, in their parents car inthe back their parents, if
they're teenagers, they likelydon't own their own so, yeah,
they're going in there. I was
LA (32:00):
just thinking like their parents are, ew,
Berly (32:04):
no, no. So, like, at its core, that's what it is, yeah.
Like, if you go fool around onLover's Lane, the hook man's
gonna come and get you, like,and normally it's somebody from
a mental hospital, not, not areverend or a preacher, or
whatever it was, with a hook fora hand and all of that kind of
stuff that he's going to comeget you. So we've seen the
legend covered in various, youknow, things throughout horror
(32:28):
movies. We already talked abouturban legend, and I Know What
You Did Last Summer, Bill Murrayactually retells a version of
the story in meatballs. Oh, notto mention Candyman.
LA (32:41):
Just kind
Berly (32:43):
of a mesh of Bloody Mary and the hook man, yeah. But
where did it originate? Because,as Sam said, All urban legends,
we stem from somewhere they dothat they do basically. This is
kind of proven ish okay to tieback to a bunch of murders that
(33:07):
happened in Texarkana.
LA (33:09):
Oh, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Berly (33:13):
there's no evidence that the killer had a hook. But this
urban legend got really popularin the 50s and 60s, and that's
right, when this massacrehappened. So it's tied very
closely to it. It's actually,according to the Texas
Department of Public Safety, thenumber one unsolved murder case
(33:33):
in Texas history. Oh,
LA (33:35):
wow. Well, I think it's also, they've also questioned
whether it was part of zodiacs,the Zodiac killings too. I have
Berly (33:42):
not heard that because it wasn't Zodiac in a different
state,
LA (33:46):
yes, but it was like teenagers like he, he kind of
like preyed on the same types,type of victims.
Berly (33:54):
Okay, well, in Texarkana, so it was basically in 1946
there were four brutal crimesthat occurred within a span of
less than three months. Threewere violent attacks on young
people parked on Lover's Lane onthe Texas side of town. The
fourth was the shooting of amiddle aged couple in their
(34:14):
rural farmhouse on the Arkansasside at the end of the spree,
three people had been seriouslywounded, and five had been shot
dead. Damn. The traumatizedsurvivors gave the police little
to go on, like they didn't haveshit to say, and fear paralyzed
the town. Women of means packedup their clothes and children
(34:35):
and checked into the downtownhotel grim when their husbands
were away on business like theydidn't even want to be home by
themselves. Wow, others riggedsecurity systems attaching pots
and pans to wires that hung onstring around their property.
It's
LA (34:51):
the old ring ring doorbell,
Berly (34:56):
so that they'd like hear people when they were coming.
Mm. It really is? It reallyregulation, and people who had
never owned guns were sleepingwith loaded pistols by their
beds and made pallets on thefloor for their children so they
could all sleep in the sameroom, like people were fucking
scared. Law men from Arkansasand Texas and members of the
(35:19):
national press overwhelmed thetown in pursuit of the
assailant, who was dubbed thePhantom Killer by the Texarkana
Gazette. So makes sense thatkind of this urban legend could
have stemmed from here, sincemost of the victims were in the
Lovers Lane, kind of scenariodecades later, the mayhem has
(35:41):
barely lost its hold on thepopular imagination, though
imagination is very much theoperative word. A handful of
books of widely varying qualityhave been written about the case
the Town That Dreaded Sundown, alargely fictionalized movie was
(36:01):
released in 1976 such a goodname, such a good title, such a
good title. 30 years after thecrimes that they came up with
the film, even though all thisattention, national attention,
was given to the case, no onewas ever convicted of the
crimes.
LA (36:19):
Wow. You always want, I always wonder, like, when they
it's like, a series of killings,and then they stop, it's like,
did they go to jail? Did theydid that? Arrested for something
else? Yeah, like, you neverknow. But I think the Who's the
guy that was just recentlycaught after so long in
California? Think the hillside,not the hillside strangler, but
(36:44):
shit, forget
Berly (36:46):
what's San Francisco?
Called San Francisco? No, likethe nickname, because you made
fun of me for the Golden StateGolden
LA (36:55):
State killer. Yes, that's Golden State killer. And he
stopped for a period of time,though, like he he did a whole
bunch, but then I think he got,he started family and like, but
he would still call and do theweird,
Berly (37:11):
I'm gonna kill you, like,
LA (37:13):
call them and Creep them out and all that stuff. But he did
stop the killings for a chunk oftime, but then he started up
again.
Berly (37:19):
What if they have really bad ADHD, and they just get
fixated on something for alittle bit, and then they get
tired of it and move on to adifferent fixation.
LA (37:26):
I don't think that is how psychopaths work.
Berly (37:30):
Maybe a psychopath with ADHD,
LA (37:34):
I don't know, but isn't it like, it's like they have a
craving for killing, like theyneed to do it, want
Berly (37:40):
to do it. That's how impulse control when you get
fixated on something. Okay?
Well, maybe, maybe that's it.
Then I don't I wonder what tookthem away from it. That's not my
profession. They discoveredsomething else, like they got
really into puzzles. Instead.
Are you?
LA (37:56):
Who are? You don't try and say, I'm a psycho.
Berly (37:58):
I didn't. I'm just thinking of other hobbies that
could potentially takesomebody's interest where they
would get really into it andmaybe not be doing the other
hobby. True. Not to try andinsinuate that serial killing is
a hobby.
LA (38:12):
Yeah,
Berly (38:13):
no at all. No, no, no.
I'm just trying to think otherthan being arrested or killed,
what could potentially make themdecide to stop doing that. Well,
LA (38:23):
he had he, I think it was when he started a family. So
Berly (38:26):
makes sense, you're not going to be able to sneak away
as much, right? Well, anyway,this episode was a disaster,
LA (38:35):
dumpster fire. Sorry guys.
Berly (38:38):
But to close it out, we got a quote from Dane and all
Dane Winchester, he said, remindme not to piss this girl off.
LA (38:49):
Damn right. Cheer. Cheers.
Berly (38:53):
Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
LA (38:57):
Follow us on Twitter or Instagram. Leave a review and
let us know how we can getinvolved in the fandom. This was
fun, jerk. It always is, bitch.
You.
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