November 2, 2022 • 36 mins
Berly and LA recap and discuss the season one Supernatural episode, Wendigo. Over drinks, they'll discuss lore, gore, and what they adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. Now, let's get tipsy! CW/TW for violent and lewd commentary; listeners beware! 🔞
Summary: In the "Wendigo" episode of "Supernatural," Sam and Dean Winchester investigate the disappearance of three campers in Black Ridge, Colorado. They discover a Wendigo, a creature that craves human flesh and can mimic voices. The brothers use Molotov cocktails to burn the Wendigo, saving the survivors. The episode explores the Wendigo's cultural and historical context, linking it to a psychosis among indigenous peoples. The discussion also touches on the Donner Party, a group of pioneers who resorted to cannibalism during a winter ordeal. The episode highlights the Winchesters' family business of hunting supernatural entities and their commitment to saving people.
Resources:
- https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Wendigo
- https://gizmodo.com/wendigo-psychosis-the-probably-fake-disease-that-turns-5946814
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party
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Berly (00:01):
Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over
LA (00:11):
drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore
about the Winchesters and theiradventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.
Berly (00:30):
We just finished episode two of supernatural.
LA (00:35):
We're trucking along, trucking
Berly (00:37):
along, just working our way through. I liked the I think
it was, was it hit? You're thefilm The film student. Was it
Hitchcock that, like, wouldn'tnecessarily show the monster
right away. Was more leftmysterious. I liked they kind of
took that angle this time. Yeah,yeah. We never really got a
clear shot of the monster ofthis story, and that, that kind
(01:04):
of added to the eeriness of thewhole scene, in my opinion,
LA (01:07):
right? Yeah, and just hearing it, but not seeing the
full thing,
Berly (01:10):
yeah, yeah. I liked that, yeah. So before we dig into
Episode Two, let's do a quickrecap of last week's episode.
Episode One,
LA (01:22):
yeah, so that one, two brothers, Sam and Dean
Winchester, witness theirmother's paranormal death as
children and grow up trained tofight by a distraught father who
wants nothing more than to huntdown the thing that killed his
wife. Sam escapes to college tostart a new normal life,
supposedly normal life, but he,of course, gets pulled back in
after Dean shows up on hisdoorstep to tell him their
(01:42):
father's missing after going ona hunting trip. Quote, unquote,
yeah. And following the cluesfrom an eerie phone message from
him, the boys travel to a smalltown and encounter a vengeful
spirit called the white woman,who then starts to haunt Sam.
That's pretty much it. I
Berly (01:58):
mean, I mean, there's more to it, but she didn't try
to haunt them. True, she triedto get it. She did. She did.
Bless her, can't blame her,right? Don't force yourself on
people, though. True, woman inwhite, yeah, she
LA (02:13):
needs to settle down. They took care of her, though, yeah,
they did
Berly (02:16):
well. This week we have the episode called Windy
Windigo,
LA (02:23):
Wendy to be confused with windingo. Yes,
Berly (02:26):
I kept, we kept saying wendingo. There's not a second
in there's only the first inWindigo. I just
LA (02:33):
really wanted it to
Berly (02:33):
be windingo, right? Would you want to say? Because
LA (02:37):
it reminds me of, I forget what movie it is, but I think
it's Meryl Streep, and it's likean Australian lady, and it's a
true story. She's like a dingostole my baby. A tinkle stole my
baby. The Dingo Ate My Baby.
Yeah.
Berly (02:51):
So the episode opens up in Black Ridge Lost Creek,
Colorado, with these three guyscamping together. One of them
gets out of the tent. I think hegot out to go to go to the
bathroom or something like that,and he's attacked by something
we can't see. And of course, youknow he was he was black, so he
had to die first, because thisis the early 2000s and that's
(03:13):
just what happened in the horrortrope those days. Thank you.
Jordan Peele, right. Goodness.
Anyway, next Corey Monteith isthen snatched from the tent. He,
like pokes his head out to seewhat his friend is doing, and
literally just gets snatchedstraight out of the tent. So the
third guy is left there, and hehad just finished filming, or he
(03:34):
was in the middle of filming avideo on his Blackberry. Those
dude showed the BlackBerryphone, and he had to have it
turned backwards in order to
LA (03:46):
record. I honestly don't remember the blackberries having
the capabilities of videos,maybe
Berly (03:51):
either, but that looked like a Blackberry. Yeah. But
yeah. You remember we used tohave to we didn't have the front
facing cameras, and I missedthat, because I always looked
good in those selfies. And I donot like how I look in front
facing selfies. I hate it, yeah,so, but I'm not good at like
these phones these days are notfriendly for you, right? Able to
(04:13):
do that? Yeah, it's awkward.
Yeah, you can't find the buttonto take the picture back then
the button was on the side ofyour phone, like a camera,
right? It was easy to findanyway, that's my complaint of
the new phone. So anyways, he'sfilming a video basically
talking about how everything'sfine, yeah, just kind of an
(04:34):
update, and he's just left therescreaming and horror as his
friend is like, ripped out ofthe tent, and they had turned
off the light, and were like,turning off the light and try to
pretend like nobody's home, likeyou're in a see through tent
here. Just be on your way.
Nobody's here. So then we cut toSam, visiting his girlfriend's
(04:56):
grave and apologizing foreverything. That had happened
when her hand bursts out of theground and grabs him like
Stephen King's Carrie style,that iconic ending of Carrie, it
was very much like that. It wasreally cool, and he's
immediately woken up, because itturns out it was a dream. And
(05:18):
they are in the Impala. Dean isdriving, and it turns out that
after spending a week in PaloAlto looking for the thing that
killed Jessica Sam and Dean arenow on their way to the
coordinates their father left inhis journal, which just so
happens to be Black Ridge,Colorado, where we had just seen
the scene of the three guystinting,
LA (05:40):
tinting. Camping,
Berly (05:43):
they might have been tinting scary things do weird
things to your body. Took you asecond,
LA (05:54):
Okay, gotcha, I'm with you.
I didn't,
Berly (05:55):
I didn't mean to do that.
You're right. It's camping. Theyget to Lost Creek Trail ranger
station and meet RangerWilkinson. And originally
they're trying to say they'retwo like environmental science
college students who are theretrying to do a paper or
whatever. And the Rangerimmediately calls BS and
mistakes them for friends ofHaley Collins, who turns out to
(06:21):
be a sister of one of the threeguys who was camping, Tommy
Collins, and that's who wentmissing, so that he thinks that
they're like, friends of thefamily, basically, on the
camping trip, Sam and Deanbasically, are like, Oh, well,
you say that he left a record ofwhen he would be back. If you
could give us a copy of that,it'll ease Haley's mind, like
(06:43):
they just play along with it,like, yeah, we're their friends,
yeah? So if you'll give us that,it'll help us ease her mind so
they basically get her addressin that way and go to her house.
LA (06:55):
Yeah? Surely that wouldn't be happening these days with,
you know, more privacy laws andwhatnot,
Berly (07:01):
one would hope, yeah, but you know that actor, oh, what's
his name is, Rahul. He's like,in midnight mass and all that. I
saw him, like, tweet that he wasin a hotel room, and these two
guys just walked in because theyhad told the front guest, front
desk, sorry, front desk, thatthey were there to like, meet
their cousin Raul or whatever,and they're just like, Oh yeah,
(07:24):
it's this room. And just gavethem a key. Oh, wow. I
LA (07:26):
bet that. I bet that person got fired, right? It should be,
he was, like, it was, it
Berly (07:30):
freaked him out. I was, yeah, really, not good, not
good. Oh, wow. So just saying,Damn you. It might still happen
today. That's scary, yeah.
LA (07:41):
But anyway, so like to know what hotel that was. I'm never
going there, right? Oh,
Berly (07:47):
so Sam and Dean go and visit Haley Tommy's sister, and
she's telling them how this isout of the norm for him, that
he's just been checking in everysingle day, and they haven't
heard from him in almost 24hours, and they're worried. And
there's a little brother, hisname's Ben, and he's like, yeah,
like, he would not be doingthis. Something is wrong. We
(08:08):
don't care that. It'ssupposedly, you know, still trip
time, and he's not supposed tobe back for another couple of
days. Like, we know something'swrong here, right? And they show
Sam and Dean the last video thatTommy sent through his
BlackBerry before he disappearedand they could no longer get a
hold of him. So Sam and Dean arebasically like, we're gonna
(08:29):
check this out. We're gonna seeif we can find him. And Haley's
Yeah, caddy. And it's like,well, we might see you out
there.
LA (08:35):
Well. And, and she sent them. Sam asked her to, like,
send him, her all those videochats, yes, right, yeah.
Berly (08:43):
But before that, she was like, well, we might see you out
there, because I hired a guy.
Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.
She's like, I have a guide, andwe're gonna go look for him
ourselves. We're gonna go findhim also.
LA (08:54):
Side night, side note, the little side note. Side note, the
little brother. What's his name?
Ben is a very young version ofthe new kid that's playing Han
Solo.
Berly (09:07):
He's not a young, young version of him. It's the same
actor, right? Well, it's
LA (09:10):
the same way. I'm just saying you Google it younger
than he is in Han Solo. Well,yeah. Or did Han Solo come out
in the last couple years? I wantto say because I remember it was
before the pandemic, though,yes, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
farther back then, yeah. But Ijust remember it being a big
deal that he was cast, and whenwe were watching it, I was like,
he looked that face looksfamiliar. You kept saying that
(09:32):
every time he was on the screen,he really, who is that? I know
that somebody got to the bottomof it, yeah, Alden eldritch or
something like that. Yeah.
Anyway, yeah. So
Berly (09:40):
Ben is a Han Solo, which has a funny tie in, because when
Sam and Dean went to her houseand claimed to be Rangers,
whenever they were like, Oh,we're gonna help. We're Rangers.
Sam or not, Sam Dean was aranger Ford and. And Sam was
(10:01):
Ranger Hamill, which isobviously a nod to Harrison Ford
and Mark Hamill from the StarWars franchise. And then they
walk in the room and talk to theguy who's gonna grow up to play
Han Solo. Crazy. That's fun. Ididn't put that together, yeah,
watching it. I put thattogether. Just now I've
connected it. Yeah, I like it.
Okay, so where was I? Oh, yeah.
(10:23):
So she says that she's getting aguide. And then before they
leave, Sam is like, Hey, can yousend me all this shit? And she's
like, Yeah, I will, no problem.
So at first, Dean is saying hewants to go with them. Like,
well, let's go meet them in themorning. They'll meet the guide.
We'll take care of that. And Samis kind of like, what are we
doing here? Like, dad isobviously not here. This is a
(10:44):
waste of our time. Let's trailsgrowing cold. Trail's growing
colder by the minute. Yeah. Andhe's basically like, let's just
leave. But he apparently changedhis tune after he looked at the
stuff Haley sent him, becausethey go to a bar, and Sam, all
of a sudden, is pulling out allthis research. He's like, I've
got all this stuff. He's acollege guy. He's really smart.
(11:05):
I guess he managed to do that inthe drive from the house to the
bar. And he found out thatpeople go missing in Blackwater
at regular intervals, to bespecific, every 23 years. And
when he's playing Tommy's lastvideo, he slows it down, frame
by frame, and you can see thisshadow moving across the back of
(11:27):
the tent that obviouslysomething else was there, and it
was moving fucking fast, yeah,because it was like three
frames, boom, boom, boom, reallyquick. So after they're looking
through the research, theynotice that there's a survivor
of an alleged attack back in1959 so 23 years prior, or not
23 because this was 2005whatever 1959 is, what the year
(11:54):
is here, we're going to stickwith that. His name is Shaw, and
they go visit him, and it's likean alleged bear attack. That's
what everybody had come to theconclusion. Of it was what
happened to Shaw and his family,is that there was a bear attack.
But while they're talking tohim, the old man tells him that
it was not a grizzly bear thatattacked his family, because the
(12:14):
creature attacked them in theircabin, and it didn't burst
through the window. It didn'tburst through the door. It
unlocked the door and came in.
And he said that the roar heheard from this creature was
unlike anything that he's heardfrom any man or any animal. And
(12:35):
he said that it moved superfast. I think he said it like
moved like lightning orsomething like that. And he asks
Sam and Dean, do you know of anybear that can unlock doors? And
I'm pretty sure he was notreferencing bear grillis or
David Harbor, I
LA (12:53):
wouldn't have been scared of those bears. Get
Berly (12:55):
it? Them bears. Them.
Bears can come in my cabinanytime. Next we're at the next
morning, Sam and Dean is goingto meet with Haley and Ben and
their guide, Roy. And Roy iskind of a dick, yeah? Like he
could have been nicer, is allI'm saying. Oh yeah.
LA (13:18):
Well, he wasn't that bad at first. He
Berly (13:20):
was a bit of a, know it all, yeah, oh yeah. He didn't
like it. Whenever they weretrying to help find Tommy, he
definitely didn't like it, likehe was there to be the leader,
and he did not want any sort ofcompetition for that spot.
LA (13:34):
I made a note when we were watching it that Roy's secret
sassy. He's secretly sassy, yes,like he did, it wasn't so much
at first. But then when he,like, pops that bear trap, he's
real pleased with himself,right?
Berly (13:46):
He's like, ha, ha, ha, I know stuff. Blah, blah, blah,
yeah. He was very sassy. That'swhat it is. Yeah, he wasn't so
much a dick. He was just he wasway more sassy, like, sassier
than Sam, which is kind of hardto do in some of these episodes
that we've seen so far, becauseSam is pretty sassy, true. Uh.
Haley also kind of is like, waita minute, you're not dressed
(14:10):
appropriately. You don't haveany provisions. And she waits
until they're in the middle ofthe forest to say, Listen, I
know you're not Rangers, so whoare you? Yeah, what
LA (14:20):
did she say? She you're wearing jeans and combat boots,
and what did Dean say
Berly (14:25):
something about how he doesn't do shorts, that's right.
And I made the sweetheart,sweetheart, yeah, or something.
And I was sitting therethinking,
LA (14:33):
like they're that deep in the woods and she's got these
teeny, tiny shorts on, she'sgonna be coming out of there
with poison ivy.
Berly (14:40):
Yeah? She's crazy. Yeah, she was crazy, but she had her
provisions.
LA (14:45):
Wow, yeah,
Berly (14:48):
but yeah, she waited until they were the middle of
the woods to address thatthey're lying about who they
were as one does. Yeah, yes, asone does. Sam or not, Sam Dean
assures her that everything'sfine, and he. Peanut M, M, so
it's like, okay, we're cool.
We'll just keep going. It'sfine.
LA (15:05):
She knows what those peanuts mean.
Berly (15:09):
Melt in your mouth, not in your hand, right? Isn't that
they're saying, Oh my god.
Anyways, the group reaches thecampsite, and they find these
tents that are just likeshredded, like it looks like
Wolverine went to town on thesetents. There's blood everywhere.
She finds his bested upBlackberry, and there's like
blood splooge on that we didn'tsee. We didn't see the blood
(15:30):
splooge happen ladder. So we'restill only one for our blood
splooge count. We still onlyhave the blood splooge from the
pilot episode so far, butobviously a blood splooge did
occur, right? Like there'sevidence. So they're looking
through everything, and thenthey hear screams in the
distance. It sounds like aperson screaming for help. So
(15:53):
they all run to investigate, andwhen they come back, because
there was nothing there, alltheir shit is gone. So those
provisions that were apparentlysuper important gone.
LA (16:06):
Well, okay, she had her provisions, like on a big belt
buckle thing, and it's like,when they got to the camp, she
dramatically unbuckles it anddrops it on the ground for no
reason, no reason at all. Sothat was on her sometimes. Drama
Berly (16:21):
is its own reason. La, okay, well, I
LA (16:24):
mean, not when you're in the woods and you could die without
your provision. Well,
Berly (16:29):
this is true, but yeah, they left all their shit.
Whenever they went running toinvestigate, what the rut, what
the yelling was, there's nothingthere. They came back. All their
stuff's gone. Sam and Dean arelike, Oh, Grizzly, wouldn't be
doing that. Something fucked upis going on here. Yeah, with the
help of good old dad's journal,
LA (16:48):
daddy,
Berly (16:49):
good old Jeffrey Dane Sam and Dean realize that what
they're facing is a Wendy go,because whatever it was, was
able to move really fuckingfast, and it's apparently able
to mimic the voice of people.
And Dean is not happy aboutthis, because guns and knives
are apparently useless against aWendigo, so they basically
(17:11):
inform the group, and thegroup's not really buying in.
They're kind of thinking they'recrazy, but they're just going
along with it. And Dean drawsAnasazi symbols around the
campsite for protection. Andthey plan to like camp for the
night. And they basically aresaying, like, this thing's a
good hunter during the day, butit's even better at night. So we
(17:33):
have to put this stuff around.
We have to stick together. Notgo out of the circle, right?
They make it very clear, do notgo out of the circle. We have to
protect ourselves. But again,the group isn't really buying
into this. They think they mightbe a little crazy at this. Well,
doesn't
LA (17:48):
he mention that like shooting at it is just gonna
piss it off? Even more, yes,yeah, he's
Berly (17:52):
like guns, knives, they aren't gonna work. It's just
gonna piss it off. So
LA (17:56):
stay in the circle till we figure it out, right?
Berly (17:59):
But we have sassy Roy, oh, I know. So you can already
kind of guess how this is gonnago. Sam argues with Dean yet
again, why don't we just get thefuck out of here, like we don't
have stuff to really fight thisthing. Let's just get these
people somewhere safe and gofind out, like this isn't our
problem, basically, is whatSam's getting at and Dean is
(18:22):
like, hey, we have to helpothers. You know, this is our
family business. This is why dadleft us his journal. Is because
I think he wants us to pick upwhere he left off, saving
people, hunting things, familybusiness, all that kind of
stuff. Okay? And then, onceagain, cries for help are heard,
and Roy ignoring me, hearings,yep. Gotta be the guide. Gotta
(18:47):
be the hero. Jumps up with hisgun and is shooting at where
they can see things moving likein the distance, but it's so
fast, of course, he's nothitting it, yeah. And then he
leaves the circle to try and runinto it, yep. And of course, he
is caught by the Windigo, like,pulled up into a tree and just
(19:07):
disappears right away. Yeah.
Something snapped,
LA (19:11):
yeah. And he Yeah. So he did everything they told him not to
exactly,
Berly (19:16):
but because he was the guide, he felt he knew better
better. Yeah,
LA (19:20):
which in his defense, yeah, it sounds crazy or whatever, but
hey, I would have stayed in thatcircle, right, even if I thought
they were crazy. Maybe I don'tknow. Yeah.
Berly (19:32):
So the next day, Sam and Dean are finally explaining to
Haley and Ben what a Wendigo is,and that it means evil that
devours. They were once human,but had become something else.
When forced to eat human fleshin order to survive, Tommy may
still be alive, because whendgoes hibernate and like to
(19:56):
store live food, so theybasically follow. The windigos
Bloody trail armed with Molotovcocktails, basically because
Dean explains, like, guns andknives are useless, but we need
to burn it to kill it. Yeah,that's the only way to kill a
Windigo is with fire.
Eventually, as they're walkingalong, following the trail,
(20:16):
Roy's dead body falls from atree and the Windigo appears,
but we still don't really see itvery well, but
LA (20:25):
there was blood splatter on Haley's,
Berly (20:27):
oh yes, there were the drops of blood. It was, it was
the drops of blood on theshoulder before the body fell,
because she looked up, and thatwas a really cool shot, too,
when she looked up and the bodywas falling, and so she dodged
out of the way. The bloodsplatter warned her it was
coming. Yeah. So yeah. So Roy'sbody falls, and it causes
everyone to scatter, like theyall take off running, because
(20:49):
they know the windy goes rightthere. So Haley and Dean are
leading, and Sam and Ben arefalling behind, and Ben actually
trips and falls, and Sam pausesto help Ben up, and that gives
the Wendigo just enough time tocapture Dean and Haley, like he
catches them off guard, becausethey run right into him. They he
(21:11):
captures Dean and Haley. And sowhenever Sam and Ben are you'd
think they'd be right there, butby the time they get there,
they're already gone, becausehe's so fast, right? Sam and Ben
actually follow a trail of thosepeanut M M's that Dean has left
behind. So he Hansel and gretledthat shit. They eventually find
(21:32):
Dean, Haley and Tommy allhanging from the ceiling of an
abandoned mine, which they'refrom their arms, yeah, like
their wrists are like, tied up,and they're like, hanging that
way. Haley's feet were danglingoff the ground. I can't imagine
how comfortable that would bejust to be tied up like that for
so long, let alone, like, yourfull body weight pulling. Yeah.
(21:54):
So luckily, they find them. Theycut down. First they find Haley
and Dean, they cut them down.
And then Haley looks over andsees her brother, Tommy, and
he's still alive, so they cuthim down, but he's super weak,
so they're basically having tocarry him in order to help him
move. Dean happens to find twoflare guns with a bunch of
supplies, because the windigosbe stealing people's shit. So
(22:17):
there was, like, a bunch ofstuff that Dean could go
through, and he happened to findtwo flare guns and all that
stuff. Convenient, superconvenient, like y'all are
lucky, yeah? Real lucky. Sam andDean look at each other, and
they're like, You thinking whatI'm thinking? Yeah, so they read
each other's minds, andbasically the mental mind plan.
(22:38):
Thing that happened here is thatDean was going to be the
distraction and try to get thewindingo to follow him, while
Sam got everybody else outsafely. So Sam starts to leave
with all of the Collinssiblings, and with a wink, Dean
takes off in another direction,yelling, being really loud,
(23:01):
trying to get the Windigo tofollow him, because Haley's all
like, what are you doing? Andhis answer is like, wink, yeah.
LA (23:10):
You know, baby,
Berly (23:11):
yeah. Not all of us have the ability to read minds.
Winchester brothers, right? Likeyou guys apparently do.
LA (23:17):
I would really read into that Wink, though, right?
Berly (23:19):
Oh my gosh, I dream about it for days. So the Windigo
switches shit up. He's like, Isee your plan, and I'm not
playing along. He follows Samand the sister of the two
brothers instead, and cornersthem, but Dean circles back
around, shoots them with theflare gun, and the windy goes
(23:41):
chest, like slowly starts tocrackle. They it was, it was
really cool. And then, like, itslowly starts to catch on fire
and burst into flameseventually. So Dean saves the
day
LA (23:55):
when Dingo, when d go down, yeah.
Berly (24:01):
So then they get out and they call for help, and as it's
like kind of the cameras panningaround, we hear Ben, the baby
Collins brother, telling one ofthe officers or Rangers or
whoever it is that comes to helpthat it was a bear and it was
the biggest bear he'd ever seen,and blah, blah, blah. So
obviously they fabricated a fakestory. Really think they were
(24:23):
crazy, right? Like, how youcan't tell them? Well, it was a
Wendy go, like they aren't gonnabelieve you. So they just kind
of stick with the fake storythat worked for Shaw and his
family. It was good enough forthem. They figure it's good
enough for us, right? So theysay it was a bear, and Tommy is
in an ambulance, and so Haleycomes over, and it's basically
like, I don't know how I couldmake it up to you. And Dean
(24:46):
like, does this like littlesmile? Yeah, like, I got some
ideas on how you could make itup to me, kind of thing. And
she's just like, How dare you orsomething, ruin the moment?
Yeah. Much, and I'm like, ruinthe moment. You're missing you a
shot, yeah. So she gives Dean akiss, and then she just like,
(25:08):
Pat Sam on the shoulder. He'slike, thanks. Thanks, Sam, thank
you, Sam, you put your life indanger for me. Not even a hug,
nothing. And she goes and getsin the ambulance with her two
brothers in order to leave, andthen dean makes a joke about how
he hates camping, which Me, too.
I've never actually done it, butI just didn't imagine I would
(25:28):
fucking hate it. Yeah, it
LA (25:31):
doesn't sound I mean, I don't I mean, it doesn't sound
like fun. I mean, I guess forthe skills to have to go camping
would be useful, I guess, but Ijust don't want to go to the
bathroom in the woods. That
Berly (25:43):
doesn't sound like fun to me. Like, if I'm told, you need
to do this because you needthese skills, okay? But that's
not like, I don't want to dothat for fun, yeah? Unless we're
going to where you can see thenorthern lights and you're
sleeping in those beds with,like, the clear, Oh, that'd be
so cool. Yeah, that's the kindof camping I'll do that. Yeah?
Same, yeah. Dean informs Sam,you know, we're gonna find Dad.
(26:05):
And Sam agrees, but in themeantime, he's driving. So that
is the end of Wendy go.
LA (26:14):
Wendy go. Wendy
Berly (26:16):
go. So there are definitely some really cool
shots in this, and I reallyliked the whole not seeing the
monster until the very end. Andeven when we got to see the
monster at the very end, it waslimited. They never showed us an
extremely clear shot, except forwhenever he was, like, burning
up. Yeah, true. So I liked that.
I enjoyed that and seeing moreSam and Dean banter getting to
know these Winchester boys, ofcourse, I adored that as well.
(26:41):
Yeah, not too much. Gore in thisepisode, like the bloody tent
and stuff. Yeah,
LA (26:47):
there wasn't, it wasn't really graphic, yeah, not
Berly (26:50):
too graphic. There was.
There was a bunch of bones andskulls and stuff in the Wendigo
den, which was in like an oldcoal mine or something. What
about the Laura LA? What can youtell us about when they go well?
LA (27:04):
So what I found was that there is actually a thing
called, well, yeah, called, whendo you go psychosis? Oh, and
it's says it's one of the moredramatic mental illnesses, okay,
but they characterize it by adeep craving for human flesh as
(27:25):
food. And this says it could beentirely made up. But what the
origin story is is that it wasamong the Algonquin, and it's
generally associated associatedwith deep winter. So like
hibernating, like the littlewendingo did, but it was a
winter time where he washibernating, right?
Berly (27:46):
Yeah, they said he hibernates. I was under the
impression he hibernates forlonger, since it was like 23
years. Yeah. So the Algonquinare indigenous people of eastern
Canada,
LA (27:58):
okay, I guess he was, maybe he was collecting them for
winter. Oh, yeah, you know,yeah, that would make sense. But
yeah, so it's associated withdeep winter, which is like
usually a time of famine. And soone man, through hunger or
personal failure, broke thetaboo against eating human
flesh, and an evil spiritpossessed him and forced him to
(28:19):
come insatiably hungry for more,always eating and always
starving. Oh,
Berly (28:23):
so that's a little bit more detailed when what they
said in the show, yeah, it's
LA (28:27):
the idea of a moral slip leading into a spiral through
which it destroys the sinner. Isa cross cultural one, but this
particular one has spawned aspecific and violent version, so
they have an uncontrollablecraving to eat human flesh when,
even when there's other foodnearby that they could eat. So
they just like crave it. Crythat I cry. It was localized
(28:53):
within the North EasternAmerican tribes, as you said,
and was dying out as theEuropean American anthropologist
came in and started catalogingfor it and uncovered some very
vivid stories. One of the mostwell known ones was that of a
plains Cree Trapper in the late1800s didn't Sam mention like
(29:15):
the Cree, the Cree Indians?
Berly (29:17):
Oh, yeah, he did, because you had me rewind it, yeah. So,
so
LA (29:21):
it's a plains Cree Trapper in the 1800s who, after his son
died, killed and ate the rest ofhis family while, even though he
was within reach of outpostswhere he could have gotten
supplies. So I guess he just hadlike a psychotic break.
Berly (29:35):
Yeah.
LA (29:37):
And then another one is Jack fiddler, an OG Cree, man who
haunted and cured others ofwindigoism, wendigoism, not
wendingoism,
Berly (29:49):
not wendingo Wendy go he
LA (29:51):
killed one supposed Windigo and tried to convict him a
murderer and get him executed.
Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. The guywas tried convi. Did a murder
and executed. So
Berly (30:02):
the guy killed a win, killed a person he claimed was a
Windigo, and then he gotsentenced for that. Yeah,
LA (30:10):
okay, they found the anthropologist found it
interesting that this psychosiswas localized, both
geographically and culturally,and it seemed to be vanishing as
a culture vanished. And therewas one of the few people who
actually got to see a personwith this psychosis was a
missionary named je SandinSanden, and he traveled around
(30:33):
in the early 1900s and there wasa woman who supposedly was
possessed, seemed rational. Hadhad no desire to eat whom human
flesh, and only wanted to killstrangers because she feared
they would hurt her. Shesurrounded herself with her
close family and avoided newpeople in order to avoid the
temptation of killing them,
Berly (30:53):
huh? But she wasn't eating them, right? She was just
LA (30:57):
killing them. She was just killing me, yeah. So I guess
they just lumped it into thispsychosis, and that was one of
the most well documented ones,and but it doesn't resemble the
psychosis of the Wendy go, sinceit is the cannibalism, but it
somehow got lumped in with it.
The anthropologist did point outthat most people who claim to be
Wendy goes usually suffered fromall kinds of other mental health
(31:18):
problems, and the term was kindof like a catch all phrase for
mental issues. Oh, well, there
Berly (31:25):
you go. Exactly, yeah.
And
LA (31:28):
then they believed and assumed that everyone whom the
phrase was applied suffered fromthe same psychosis, and assumed
that it was widespread whencannibalism figured in crime,
though, people assume that ithad to be because of cultural
psychosis, rather than it beingan aspect of violent crime that
can happen anywhere and happensfor different reasons. So it's a
(31:50):
good story, and a few dramatictales that no one has, like
first very first hand factualwitness, you know, to this.
Berly (32:00):
So it's documented, but it's not really documented,
yeah,
LA (32:03):
I guess so, like, there's, there's documentation of this
supposed psychosis, and peoplethat supposedly have it had it,
but nobody's, like, trulywitnessed the the wind, ego,
cannibalism,
Berly (32:14):
I guess, gotcha.
LA (32:16):
And eventually, um, it vanished and it couldn't be
verified. So that's that. Well,I also feel like, what if it's
just like a bunch of whitepeople dogging on Indians Native
Americans that were there beforethem, you know, just creating
something to make them seem evenmore savage and different than
(32:37):
us? You know, something likethat
Berly (32:40):
could be Ben mentions the Donner party whenever they're
explaining, yeah, who, what theWendigo is. I
LA (32:48):
didn't look at it. I mean, I looked it up, but there was
just, like, it was so long Ididn't, yeah,
Berly (32:52):
so the Donner party, I've heard of it before, but I didn't
really know what the Donnerparty is. Yeah, it was basically
a group of American pioneers whomigrated to California in a
wagon train from the Midwest. SoI don't know if it was like
manifest destiny or the goldrush or whatever, but they were
delayed by a multitude ofmishaps, and ended up spending
(33:15):
the winter of 1846 to 1847snowbound in the Sierra Nevada
mountain range, and apparentlysome of the migrants resorted to
cannibalism to survive, eatingthe bodies of those who had
succumbed to starvation,sickness or extreme cold. So
that's what the Donner partywas. Cannibalism's all the rage
(33:38):
right now,
LA (33:40):
is it?
Berly (33:41):
Got that Dahmer, Oh, that's
LA (33:43):
true. As we were watching it, I was like, thinking, or,
I'm sorry, not as we werewatching it, but as I was
reading about the Wendy goes, Ikept thinking about the Jeffrey
Dahmer show that's on right now.
And then I watched on Netflixthe Dahmer, yeah, there's miles,
there's
Berly (33:59):
like, two or three shows out about him right now, which,
yeah, makes me kind of sadbecause apparently, I don't know
if it's one family or if there'smultiple families of victims who
did not want this stuff tohappen. Drag back up again,
right? It's like, I get it thatit's historical and it's
interesting and it's content fora show, but I also understand
(34:22):
that, like, why can't yourespect the family's wishes,
especially with the justpublicity that's everywhere.
People are saying, just don'twatch it. It's like, Well, I
think those you can't avoid it.
It's everywhere right now.
LA (34:37):
I mean, I've only watched the first episode of the Netflix
series, but the Netflix I didtoo doc that has like this,
these unreleased tapes of like,32 hours of interviews with him,
with this one lady. I thinkthat's worse than the show,
because it's literally him, justso matter of fact, they just
talking about what he did, like,it's just like, making dinner.
(34:58):
Yeah, yeah. Just, I. Haven't
Berly (35:00):
even started that. I tried to start the series
because I love Evan Peters,yeah. And I made it through the
first episode, and I was justlike, nope, not for me. Yeah, I
LA (35:09):
haven't gone back to it yet.
Berly (35:10):
I'm sure I will, but I don't plan to. I've heard rave
reviews about his performance,but it's just, it was just too
disturbing for me. Yeah, it's,
LA (35:19):
yeah. I'm
Berly (35:20):
like, Evan Peters, you finally did it. You finally got
cast in a role where there iszero ways for me to think of you
as attractive, right?
LA (35:32):
Well, and honestly, I really found one thing that is, like,
scary about it to me is normallywhen you hear these tapes or
interviews with these serialkillers or whatever they've had,
like, some messed up childhoodor something happened to them,
but he didn't. He really didn't.
And he just, like, had thiscraving one day and just kept
going after it. It was a Wendigopsychosis, yeah, and like, his
(35:53):
He kept trying to, like,incapacitate them, basically, so
he could do whatever he wantedbut still keep them alive. That
was like, what he was trying todo. It's insane. Yeah and oh
Berly (36:06):
yeah. Enough cannibal talk.
LA (36:08):
Yeah, it's awful. Yeah,
Berly (36:09):
it's terrible. It's terrible. Enough of that. Let's
not let's move on. We have aquote from Dean. He's talking to
Sam about their dad's journaland why he thinks their dad left
it to them. And he said, I thinkhe wants us to pick up where he
left off. You know, savingpeople, hunting things, the
(36:30):
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LA (36:40):
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Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy
exchange Podcast where weexplore the supernatural series,
episode by episode, over
LA (00:11):
drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore
about the Winchesters and theiradventures.
Berly (00:17):
I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA (00:20):
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get
tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.
Berly (00:30):
We just finished episode two of supernatural.
LA (00:35):
We're trucking along, trucking
Berly (00:37):
along, just working our way through. I liked the I think
it was, was it hit? You're thefilm The film student. Was it
Hitchcock that, like, wouldn'tnecessarily show the monster
right away. Was more leftmysterious. I liked they kind of
took that angle this time. Yeah,yeah. We never really got a
clear shot of the monster ofthis story, and that, that kind
(01:04):
of added to the eeriness of thewhole scene, in my opinion,
LA (01:07):
right? Yeah, and just hearing it, but not seeing the
full thing,
Berly (01:10):
yeah, yeah. I liked that, yeah. So before we dig into
Episode Two, let's do a quickrecap of last week's episode.
Episode One,
LA (01:22):
yeah, so that one, two brothers, Sam and Dean
Winchester, witness theirmother's paranormal death as
children and grow up trained tofight by a distraught father who
wants nothing more than to huntdown the thing that killed his
wife. Sam escapes to college tostart a new normal life,
supposedly normal life, but he,of course, gets pulled back in
after Dean shows up on hisdoorstep to tell him their
(01:42):
father's missing after going ona hunting trip. Quote, unquote,
yeah. And following the cluesfrom an eerie phone message from
him, the boys travel to a smalltown and encounter a vengeful
spirit called the white woman,who then starts to haunt Sam.
That's pretty much it. I
Berly (01:58):
mean, I mean, there's more to it, but she didn't try
to haunt them. True, she triedto get it. She did. She did.
Bless her, can't blame her,right? Don't force yourself on
people, though. True, woman inwhite, yeah, she
LA (02:13):
needs to settle down. They took care of her, though, yeah,
they did
Berly (02:16):
well. This week we have the episode called Windy
Windigo,
LA (02:23):
Wendy to be confused with windingo. Yes,
Berly (02:26):
I kept, we kept saying wendingo. There's not a second
in there's only the first inWindigo. I just
LA (02:33):
really wanted it to
Berly (02:33):
be windingo, right? Would you want to say? Because
LA (02:37):
it reminds me of, I forget what movie it is, but I think
it's Meryl Streep, and it's likean Australian lady, and it's a
true story. She's like a dingostole my baby. A tinkle stole my
baby. The Dingo Ate My Baby.
Yeah.
Berly (02:51):
So the episode opens up in Black Ridge Lost Creek,
Colorado, with these three guyscamping together. One of them
gets out of the tent. I think hegot out to go to go to the
bathroom or something like that,and he's attacked by something
we can't see. And of course, youknow he was he was black, so he
had to die first, because thisis the early 2000s and that's
(03:13):
just what happened in the horrortrope those days. Thank you.
Jordan Peele, right. Goodness.
Anyway, next Corey Monteith isthen snatched from the tent. He,
like pokes his head out to seewhat his friend is doing, and
literally just gets snatchedstraight out of the tent. So the
third guy is left there, and hehad just finished filming, or he
(03:34):
was in the middle of filming avideo on his Blackberry. Those
dude showed the BlackBerryphone, and he had to have it
turned backwards in order to
LA (03:46):
record. I honestly don't remember the blackberries having
the capabilities of videos,maybe
Berly (03:51):
either, but that looked like a Blackberry. Yeah. But
yeah. You remember we used tohave to we didn't have the front
facing cameras, and I missedthat, because I always looked
good in those selfies. And I donot like how I look in front
facing selfies. I hate it, yeah,so, but I'm not good at like
these phones these days are notfriendly for you, right? Able to
(04:13):
do that? Yeah, it's awkward.
Yeah, you can't find the buttonto take the picture back then
the button was on the side ofyour phone, like a camera,
right? It was easy to findanyway, that's my complaint of
the new phone. So anyways, he'sfilming a video basically
talking about how everything'sfine, yeah, just kind of an
(04:34):
update, and he's just left therescreaming and horror as his
friend is like, ripped out ofthe tent, and they had turned
off the light, and were like,turning off the light and try to
pretend like nobody's home, likeyou're in a see through tent
here. Just be on your way.
Nobody's here. So then we cut toSam, visiting his girlfriend's
(04:56):
grave and apologizing foreverything. That had happened
when her hand bursts out of theground and grabs him like
Stephen King's Carrie style,that iconic ending of Carrie, it
was very much like that. It wasreally cool, and he's
immediately woken up, because itturns out it was a dream. And
(05:18):
they are in the Impala. Dean isdriving, and it turns out that
after spending a week in PaloAlto looking for the thing that
killed Jessica Sam and Dean arenow on their way to the
coordinates their father left inhis journal, which just so
happens to be Black Ridge,Colorado, where we had just seen
the scene of the three guystinting,
LA (05:40):
tinting. Camping,
Berly (05:43):
they might have been tinting scary things do weird
things to your body. Took you asecond,
LA (05:54):
Okay, gotcha, I'm with you.
I didn't,
Berly (05:55):
I didn't mean to do that.
You're right. It's camping. Theyget to Lost Creek Trail ranger
station and meet RangerWilkinson. And originally
they're trying to say they'retwo like environmental science
college students who are theretrying to do a paper or
whatever. And the Rangerimmediately calls BS and
mistakes them for friends ofHaley Collins, who turns out to
(06:21):
be a sister of one of the threeguys who was camping, Tommy
Collins, and that's who wentmissing, so that he thinks that
they're like, friends of thefamily, basically, on the
camping trip, Sam and Deanbasically, are like, Oh, well,
you say that he left a record ofwhen he would be back. If you
could give us a copy of that,it'll ease Haley's mind, like
(06:43):
they just play along with it,like, yeah, we're their friends,
yeah? So if you'll give us that,it'll help us ease her mind so
they basically get her addressin that way and go to her house.
LA (06:55):
Yeah? Surely that wouldn't be happening these days with,
you know, more privacy laws andwhatnot,
Berly (07:01):
one would hope, yeah, but you know that actor, oh, what's
his name is, Rahul. He's like,in midnight mass and all that. I
saw him, like, tweet that he wasin a hotel room, and these two
guys just walked in because theyhad told the front guest, front
desk, sorry, front desk, thatthey were there to like, meet
their cousin Raul or whatever,and they're just like, Oh yeah,
(07:24):
it's this room. And just gavethem a key. Oh, wow. I
LA (07:26):
bet that. I bet that person got fired, right? It should be,
he was, like, it was, it
Berly (07:30):
freaked him out. I was, yeah, really, not good, not
good. Oh, wow. So just saying,Damn you. It might still happen
today. That's scary, yeah.
LA (07:41):
But anyway, so like to know what hotel that was. I'm never
going there, right? Oh,
Berly (07:47):
so Sam and Dean go and visit Haley Tommy's sister, and
she's telling them how this isout of the norm for him, that
he's just been checking in everysingle day, and they haven't
heard from him in almost 24hours, and they're worried. And
there's a little brother, hisname's Ben, and he's like, yeah,
like, he would not be doingthis. Something is wrong. We
(08:08):
don't care that. It'ssupposedly, you know, still trip
time, and he's not supposed tobe back for another couple of
days. Like, we know something'swrong here, right? And they show
Sam and Dean the last video thatTommy sent through his
BlackBerry before he disappearedand they could no longer get a
hold of him. So Sam and Dean arebasically like, we're gonna
(08:29):
check this out. We're gonna seeif we can find him. And Haley's
Yeah, caddy. And it's like,well, we might see you out
there.
LA (08:35):
Well. And, and she sent them. Sam asked her to, like,
send him, her all those videochats, yes, right, yeah.
Berly (08:43):
But before that, she was like, well, we might see you out
there, because I hired a guy.
Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.
She's like, I have a guide, andwe're gonna go look for him
ourselves. We're gonna go findhim also.
LA (08:54):
Side night, side note, the little side note. Side note, the
little brother. What's his name?
Ben is a very young version ofthe new kid that's playing Han
Solo.
Berly (09:07):
He's not a young, young version of him. It's the same
actor, right? Well, it's
LA (09:10):
the same way. I'm just saying you Google it younger
than he is in Han Solo. Well,yeah. Or did Han Solo come out
in the last couple years? I wantto say because I remember it was
before the pandemic, though,yes, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
farther back then, yeah. But Ijust remember it being a big
deal that he was cast, and whenwe were watching it, I was like,
he looked that face looksfamiliar. You kept saying that
(09:32):
every time he was on the screen,he really, who is that? I know
that somebody got to the bottomof it, yeah, Alden eldritch or
something like that. Yeah.
Anyway, yeah. So
Berly (09:40):
Ben is a Han Solo, which has a funny tie in, because when
Sam and Dean went to her houseand claimed to be Rangers,
whenever they were like, Oh,we're gonna help. We're Rangers.
Sam or not, Sam Dean was aranger Ford and. And Sam was
(10:01):
Ranger Hamill, which isobviously a nod to Harrison Ford
and Mark Hamill from the StarWars franchise. And then they
walk in the room and talk to theguy who's gonna grow up to play
Han Solo. Crazy. That's fun. Ididn't put that together, yeah,
watching it. I put thattogether. Just now I've
connected it. Yeah, I like it.
Okay, so where was I? Oh, yeah.
(10:23):
So she says that she's getting aguide. And then before they
leave, Sam is like, Hey, can yousend me all this shit? And she's
like, Yeah, I will, no problem.
So at first, Dean is saying hewants to go with them. Like,
well, let's go meet them in themorning. They'll meet the guide.
We'll take care of that. And Samis kind of like, what are we
doing here? Like, dad isobviously not here. This is a
(10:44):
waste of our time. Let's trailsgrowing cold. Trail's growing
colder by the minute. Yeah. Andhe's basically like, let's just
leave. But he apparently changedhis tune after he looked at the
stuff Haley sent him, becausethey go to a bar, and Sam, all
of a sudden, is pulling out allthis research. He's like, I've
got all this stuff. He's acollege guy. He's really smart.
(11:05):
I guess he managed to do that inthe drive from the house to the
bar. And he found out thatpeople go missing in Blackwater
at regular intervals, to bespecific, every 23 years. And
when he's playing Tommy's lastvideo, he slows it down, frame
by frame, and you can see thisshadow moving across the back of
(11:27):
the tent that obviouslysomething else was there, and it
was moving fucking fast, yeah,because it was like three
frames, boom, boom, boom, reallyquick. So after they're looking
through the research, theynotice that there's a survivor
of an alleged attack back in1959 so 23 years prior, or not
23 because this was 2005whatever 1959 is, what the year
(11:54):
is here, we're going to stickwith that. His name is Shaw, and
they go visit him, and it's likean alleged bear attack. That's
what everybody had come to theconclusion. Of it was what
happened to Shaw and his family,is that there was a bear attack.
But while they're talking tohim, the old man tells him that
it was not a grizzly bear thatattacked his family, because the
(12:14):
creature attacked them in theircabin, and it didn't burst
through the window. It didn'tburst through the door. It
unlocked the door and came in.
And he said that the roar heheard from this creature was
unlike anything that he's heardfrom any man or any animal. And
(12:35):
he said that it moved superfast. I think he said it like
moved like lightning orsomething like that. And he asks
Sam and Dean, do you know of anybear that can unlock doors? And
I'm pretty sure he was notreferencing bear grillis or
David Harbor, I
LA (12:53):
wouldn't have been scared of those bears. Get
Berly (12:55):
it? Them bears. Them.
Bears can come in my cabinanytime. Next we're at the next
morning, Sam and Dean is goingto meet with Haley and Ben and
their guide, Roy. And Roy iskind of a dick, yeah? Like he
could have been nicer, is allI'm saying. Oh yeah.
LA (13:18):
Well, he wasn't that bad at first. He
Berly (13:20):
was a bit of a, know it all, yeah, oh yeah. He didn't
like it. Whenever they weretrying to help find Tommy, he
definitely didn't like it, likehe was there to be the leader,
and he did not want any sort ofcompetition for that spot.
LA (13:34):
I made a note when we were watching it that Roy's secret
sassy. He's secretly sassy, yes,like he did, it wasn't so much
at first. But then when he,like, pops that bear trap, he's
real pleased with himself,right?
Berly (13:46):
He's like, ha, ha, ha, I know stuff. Blah, blah, blah,
yeah. He was very sassy. That'swhat it is. Yeah, he wasn't so
much a dick. He was just he wasway more sassy, like, sassier
than Sam, which is kind of hardto do in some of these episodes
that we've seen so far, becauseSam is pretty sassy, true. Uh.
Haley also kind of is like, waita minute, you're not dressed
(14:10):
appropriately. You don't haveany provisions. And she waits
until they're in the middle ofthe forest to say, Listen, I
know you're not Rangers, so whoare you? Yeah, what
LA (14:20):
did she say? She you're wearing jeans and combat boots,
and what did Dean say
Berly (14:25):
something about how he doesn't do shorts, that's right.
And I made the sweetheart,sweetheart, yeah, or something.
And I was sitting therethinking,
LA (14:33):
like they're that deep in the woods and she's got these
teeny, tiny shorts on, she'sgonna be coming out of there
with poison ivy.
Berly (14:40):
Yeah? She's crazy. Yeah, she was crazy, but she had her
provisions.
LA (14:45):
Wow, yeah,
Berly (14:48):
but yeah, she waited until they were the middle of
the woods to address thatthey're lying about who they
were as one does. Yeah, yes, asone does. Sam or not, Sam Dean
assures her that everything'sfine, and he. Peanut M, M, so
it's like, okay, we're cool.
We'll just keep going. It'sfine.
LA (15:05):
She knows what those peanuts mean.
Berly (15:09):
Melt in your mouth, not in your hand, right? Isn't that
they're saying, Oh my god.
Anyways, the group reaches thecampsite, and they find these
tents that are just likeshredded, like it looks like
Wolverine went to town on thesetents. There's blood everywhere.
She finds his bested upBlackberry, and there's like
blood splooge on that we didn'tsee. We didn't see the blood
(15:30):
splooge happen ladder. So we'restill only one for our blood
splooge count. We still onlyhave the blood splooge from the
pilot episode so far, butobviously a blood splooge did
occur, right? Like there'sevidence. So they're looking
through everything, and thenthey hear screams in the
distance. It sounds like aperson screaming for help. So
(15:53):
they all run to investigate, andwhen they come back, because
there was nothing there, alltheir shit is gone. So those
provisions that were apparentlysuper important gone.
LA (16:06):
Well, okay, she had her provisions, like on a big belt
buckle thing, and it's like,when they got to the camp, she
dramatically unbuckles it anddrops it on the ground for no
reason, no reason at all. Sothat was on her sometimes. Drama
Berly (16:21):
is its own reason. La, okay, well, I
LA (16:24):
mean, not when you're in the woods and you could die without
your provision. Well,
Berly (16:29):
this is true, but yeah, they left all their shit.
Whenever they went running toinvestigate, what the rut, what
the yelling was, there's nothingthere. They came back. All their
stuff's gone. Sam and Dean arelike, Oh, Grizzly, wouldn't be
doing that. Something fucked upis going on here. Yeah, with the
help of good old dad's journal,
LA (16:48):
daddy,
Berly (16:49):
good old Jeffrey Dane Sam and Dean realize that what
they're facing is a Wendy go,because whatever it was, was
able to move really fuckingfast, and it's apparently able
to mimic the voice of people.
And Dean is not happy aboutthis, because guns and knives
are apparently useless against aWendigo, so they basically
(17:11):
inform the group, and thegroup's not really buying in.
They're kind of thinking they'recrazy, but they're just going
along with it. And Dean drawsAnasazi symbols around the
campsite for protection. Andthey plan to like camp for the
night. And they basically aresaying, like, this thing's a
good hunter during the day, butit's even better at night. So we
(17:33):
have to put this stuff around.
We have to stick together. Notgo out of the circle, right?
They make it very clear, do notgo out of the circle. We have to
protect ourselves. But again,the group isn't really buying
into this. They think they mightbe a little crazy at this. Well,
doesn't
LA (17:48):
he mention that like shooting at it is just gonna
piss it off? Even more, yes,yeah, he's
Berly (17:52):
like guns, knives, they aren't gonna work. It's just
gonna piss it off. So
LA (17:56):
stay in the circle till we figure it out, right?
Berly (17:59):
But we have sassy Roy, oh, I know. So you can already
kind of guess how this is gonnago. Sam argues with Dean yet
again, why don't we just get thefuck out of here, like we don't
have stuff to really fight thisthing. Let's just get these
people somewhere safe and gofind out, like this isn't our
problem, basically, is whatSam's getting at and Dean is
(18:22):
like, hey, we have to helpothers. You know, this is our
family business. This is why dadleft us his journal. Is because
I think he wants us to pick upwhere he left off, saving
people, hunting things, familybusiness, all that kind of
stuff. Okay? And then, onceagain, cries for help are heard,
and Roy ignoring me, hearings,yep. Gotta be the guide. Gotta
(18:47):
be the hero. Jumps up with hisgun and is shooting at where
they can see things moving likein the distance, but it's so
fast, of course, he's nothitting it, yeah. And then he
leaves the circle to try and runinto it, yep. And of course, he
is caught by the Windigo, like,pulled up into a tree and just
(19:07):
disappears right away. Yeah.
Something snapped,
LA (19:11):
yeah. And he Yeah. So he did everything they told him not to
exactly,
Berly (19:16):
but because he was the guide, he felt he knew better
better. Yeah,
LA (19:20):
which in his defense, yeah, it sounds crazy or whatever, but
hey, I would have stayed in thatcircle, right, even if I thought
they were crazy. Maybe I don'tknow. Yeah.
Berly (19:32):
So the next day, Sam and Dean are finally explaining to
Haley and Ben what a Wendigo is,and that it means evil that
devours. They were once human,but had become something else.
When forced to eat human fleshin order to survive, Tommy may
still be alive, because whendgoes hibernate and like to
(19:56):
store live food, so theybasically follow. The windigos
Bloody trail armed with Molotovcocktails, basically because
Dean explains, like, guns andknives are useless, but we need
to burn it to kill it. Yeah,that's the only way to kill a
Windigo is with fire.
Eventually, as they're walkingalong, following the trail,
(20:16):
Roy's dead body falls from atree and the Windigo appears,
but we still don't really see itvery well, but
LA (20:25):
there was blood splatter on Haley's,
Berly (20:27):
oh yes, there were the drops of blood. It was, it was
the drops of blood on theshoulder before the body fell,
because she looked up, and thatwas a really cool shot, too,
when she looked up and the bodywas falling, and so she dodged
out of the way. The bloodsplatter warned her it was
coming. Yeah. So yeah. So Roy'sbody falls, and it causes
everyone to scatter, like theyall take off running, because
(20:49):
they know the windy goes rightthere. So Haley and Dean are
leading, and Sam and Ben arefalling behind, and Ben actually
trips and falls, and Sam pausesto help Ben up, and that gives
the Wendigo just enough time tocapture Dean and Haley, like he
catches them off guard, becausethey run right into him. They he
(21:11):
captures Dean and Haley. And sowhenever Sam and Ben are you'd
think they'd be right there, butby the time they get there,
they're already gone, becausehe's so fast, right? Sam and Ben
actually follow a trail of thosepeanut M M's that Dean has left
behind. So he Hansel and gretledthat shit. They eventually find
(21:32):
Dean, Haley and Tommy allhanging from the ceiling of an
abandoned mine, which they'refrom their arms, yeah, like
their wrists are like, tied up,and they're like, hanging that
way. Haley's feet were danglingoff the ground. I can't imagine
how comfortable that would bejust to be tied up like that for
so long, let alone, like, yourfull body weight pulling. Yeah.
(21:54):
So luckily, they find them. Theycut down. First they find Haley
and Dean, they cut them down.
And then Haley looks over andsees her brother, Tommy, and
he's still alive, so they cuthim down, but he's super weak,
so they're basically having tocarry him in order to help him
move. Dean happens to find twoflare guns with a bunch of
supplies, because the windigosbe stealing people's shit. So
(22:17):
there was, like, a bunch ofstuff that Dean could go
through, and he happened to findtwo flare guns and all that
stuff. Convenient, superconvenient, like y'all are
lucky, yeah? Real lucky. Sam andDean look at each other, and
they're like, You thinking whatI'm thinking? Yeah, so they read
each other's minds, andbasically the mental mind plan.
(22:38):
Thing that happened here is thatDean was going to be the
distraction and try to get thewindingo to follow him, while
Sam got everybody else outsafely. So Sam starts to leave
with all of the Collinssiblings, and with a wink, Dean
takes off in another direction,yelling, being really loud,
(23:01):
trying to get the Windigo tofollow him, because Haley's all
like, what are you doing? Andhis answer is like, wink, yeah.
LA (23:10):
You know, baby,
Berly (23:11):
yeah. Not all of us have the ability to read minds.
Winchester brothers, right? Likeyou guys apparently do.
LA (23:17):
I would really read into that Wink, though, right?
Berly (23:19):
Oh my gosh, I dream about it for days. So the Windigo
switches shit up. He's like, Isee your plan, and I'm not
playing along. He follows Samand the sister of the two
brothers instead, and cornersthem, but Dean circles back
around, shoots them with theflare gun, and the windy goes
(23:41):
chest, like slowly starts tocrackle. They it was, it was
really cool. And then, like, itslowly starts to catch on fire
and burst into flameseventually. So Dean saves the
day
LA (23:55):
when Dingo, when d go down, yeah.
Berly (24:01):
So then they get out and they call for help, and as it's
like kind of the cameras panningaround, we hear Ben, the baby
Collins brother, telling one ofthe officers or Rangers or
whoever it is that comes to helpthat it was a bear and it was
the biggest bear he'd ever seen,and blah, blah, blah. So
obviously they fabricated a fakestory. Really think they were
(24:23):
crazy, right? Like, how youcan't tell them? Well, it was a
Wendy go, like they aren't gonnabelieve you. So they just kind
of stick with the fake storythat worked for Shaw and his
family. It was good enough forthem. They figure it's good
enough for us, right? So theysay it was a bear, and Tommy is
in an ambulance, and so Haleycomes over, and it's basically
like, I don't know how I couldmake it up to you. And Dean
(24:46):
like, does this like littlesmile? Yeah, like, I got some
ideas on how you could make itup to me, kind of thing. And
she's just like, How dare you orsomething, ruin the moment?
Yeah. Much, and I'm like, ruinthe moment. You're missing you a
shot, yeah. So she gives Dean akiss, and then she just like,
(25:08):
Pat Sam on the shoulder. He'slike, thanks. Thanks, Sam, thank
you, Sam, you put your life indanger for me. Not even a hug,
nothing. And she goes and getsin the ambulance with her two
brothers in order to leave, andthen dean makes a joke about how
he hates camping, which Me, too.
I've never actually done it, butI just didn't imagine I would
(25:28):
fucking hate it. Yeah, it
LA (25:31):
doesn't sound I mean, I don't I mean, it doesn't sound
like fun. I mean, I guess forthe skills to have to go camping
would be useful, I guess, but Ijust don't want to go to the
bathroom in the woods. That
Berly (25:43):
doesn't sound like fun to me. Like, if I'm told, you need
to do this because you needthese skills, okay? But that's
not like, I don't want to dothat for fun, yeah? Unless we're
going to where you can see thenorthern lights and you're
sleeping in those beds with,like, the clear, Oh, that'd be
so cool. Yeah, that's the kindof camping I'll do that. Yeah?
Same, yeah. Dean informs Sam,you know, we're gonna find Dad.
(26:05):
And Sam agrees, but in themeantime, he's driving. So that
is the end of Wendy go.
LA (26:14):
Wendy go. Wendy
Berly (26:16):
go. So there are definitely some really cool
shots in this, and I reallyliked the whole not seeing the
monster until the very end. Andeven when we got to see the
monster at the very end, it waslimited. They never showed us an
extremely clear shot, except forwhenever he was, like, burning
up. Yeah, true. So I liked that.
I enjoyed that and seeing moreSam and Dean banter getting to
know these Winchester boys, ofcourse, I adored that as well.
(26:41):
Yeah, not too much. Gore in thisepisode, like the bloody tent
and stuff. Yeah,
LA (26:47):
there wasn't, it wasn't really graphic, yeah, not
Berly (26:50):
too graphic. There was.
There was a bunch of bones andskulls and stuff in the Wendigo
den, which was in like an oldcoal mine or something. What
about the Laura LA? What can youtell us about when they go well?
LA (27:04):
So what I found was that there is actually a thing
called, well, yeah, called, whendo you go psychosis? Oh, and
it's says it's one of the moredramatic mental illnesses, okay,
but they characterize it by adeep craving for human flesh as
(27:25):
food. And this says it could beentirely made up. But what the
origin story is is that it wasamong the Algonquin, and it's
generally associated associatedwith deep winter. So like
hibernating, like the littlewendingo did, but it was a
winter time where he washibernating, right?
Berly (27:46):
Yeah, they said he hibernates. I was under the
impression he hibernates forlonger, since it was like 23
years. Yeah. So the Algonquinare indigenous people of eastern
Canada,
LA (27:58):
okay, I guess he was, maybe he was collecting them for
winter. Oh, yeah, you know,yeah, that would make sense. But
yeah, so it's associated withdeep winter, which is like
usually a time of famine. And soone man, through hunger or
personal failure, broke thetaboo against eating human
flesh, and an evil spiritpossessed him and forced him to
(28:19):
come insatiably hungry for more,always eating and always
starving. Oh,
Berly (28:23):
so that's a little bit more detailed when what they
said in the show, yeah, it's
LA (28:27):
the idea of a moral slip leading into a spiral through
which it destroys the sinner. Isa cross cultural one, but this
particular one has spawned aspecific and violent version, so
they have an uncontrollablecraving to eat human flesh when,
even when there's other foodnearby that they could eat. So
they just like crave it. Crythat I cry. It was localized
(28:53):
within the North EasternAmerican tribes, as you said,
and was dying out as theEuropean American anthropologist
came in and started catalogingfor it and uncovered some very
vivid stories. One of the mostwell known ones was that of a
plains Cree Trapper in the late1800s didn't Sam mention like
(29:15):
the Cree, the Cree Indians?
Berly (29:17):
Oh, yeah, he did, because you had me rewind it, yeah. So,
so
LA (29:21):
it's a plains Cree Trapper in the 1800s who, after his son
died, killed and ate the rest ofhis family while, even though he
was within reach of outpostswhere he could have gotten
supplies. So I guess he just hadlike a psychotic break.
Berly (29:35):
Yeah.
LA (29:37):
And then another one is Jack fiddler, an OG Cree, man who
haunted and cured others ofwindigoism, wendigoism, not
wendingoism,
Berly (29:49):
not wendingo Wendy go he
LA (29:51):
killed one supposed Windigo and tried to convict him a
murderer and get him executed.
Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. The guywas tried convi. Did a murder
and executed. So
Berly (30:02):
the guy killed a win, killed a person he claimed was a
Windigo, and then he gotsentenced for that. Yeah,
LA (30:10):
okay, they found the anthropologist found it
interesting that this psychosiswas localized, both
geographically and culturally,and it seemed to be vanishing as
a culture vanished. And therewas one of the few people who
actually got to see a personwith this psychosis was a
missionary named je SandinSanden, and he traveled around
(30:33):
in the early 1900s and there wasa woman who supposedly was
possessed, seemed rational. Hadhad no desire to eat whom human
flesh, and only wanted to killstrangers because she feared
they would hurt her. Shesurrounded herself with her
close family and avoided newpeople in order to avoid the
temptation of killing them,
Berly (30:53):
huh? But she wasn't eating them, right? She was just
LA (30:57):
killing them. She was just killing me, yeah. So I guess
they just lumped it into thispsychosis, and that was one of
the most well documented ones,and but it doesn't resemble the
psychosis of the Wendy go, sinceit is the cannibalism, but it
somehow got lumped in with it.
The anthropologist did point outthat most people who claim to be
Wendy goes usually suffered fromall kinds of other mental health
(31:18):
problems, and the term was kindof like a catch all phrase for
mental issues. Oh, well, there
Berly (31:25):
you go. Exactly, yeah.
And
LA (31:28):
then they believed and assumed that everyone whom the
phrase was applied suffered fromthe same psychosis, and assumed
that it was widespread whencannibalism figured in crime,
though, people assume that ithad to be because of cultural
psychosis, rather than it beingan aspect of violent crime that
can happen anywhere and happensfor different reasons. So it's a
(31:50):
good story, and a few dramatictales that no one has, like
first very first hand factualwitness, you know, to this.
Berly (32:00):
So it's documented, but it's not really documented,
yeah,
LA (32:03):
I guess so, like, there's, there's documentation of this
supposed psychosis, and peoplethat supposedly have it had it,
but nobody's, like, trulywitnessed the the wind, ego,
cannibalism,
Berly (32:14):
I guess, gotcha.
LA (32:16):
And eventually, um, it vanished and it couldn't be
verified. So that's that. Well,I also feel like, what if it's
just like a bunch of whitepeople dogging on Indians Native
Americans that were there beforethem, you know, just creating
something to make them seem evenmore savage and different than
(32:37):
us? You know, something likethat
Berly (32:40):
could be Ben mentions the Donner party whenever they're
explaining, yeah, who, what theWendigo is. I
LA (32:48):
didn't look at it. I mean, I looked it up, but there was
just, like, it was so long Ididn't, yeah,
Berly (32:52):
so the Donner party, I've heard of it before, but I didn't
really know what the Donnerparty is. Yeah, it was basically
a group of American pioneers whomigrated to California in a
wagon train from the Midwest. SoI don't know if it was like
manifest destiny or the goldrush or whatever, but they were
delayed by a multitude ofmishaps, and ended up spending
(33:15):
the winter of 1846 to 1847snowbound in the Sierra Nevada
mountain range, and apparentlysome of the migrants resorted to
cannibalism to survive, eatingthe bodies of those who had
succumbed to starvation,sickness or extreme cold. So
that's what the Donner partywas. Cannibalism's all the rage
(33:38):
right now,
LA (33:40):
is it?
Berly (33:41):
Got that Dahmer, Oh, that's
LA (33:43):
true. As we were watching it, I was like, thinking, or,
I'm sorry, not as we werewatching it, but as I was
reading about the Wendy goes, Ikept thinking about the Jeffrey
Dahmer show that's on right now.
And then I watched on Netflixthe Dahmer, yeah, there's miles,
there's
Berly (33:59):
like, two or three shows out about him right now, which,
yeah, makes me kind of sadbecause apparently, I don't know
if it's one family or if there'smultiple families of victims who
did not want this stuff tohappen. Drag back up again,
right? It's like, I get it thatit's historical and it's
interesting and it's content fora show, but I also understand
(34:22):
that, like, why can't yourespect the family's wishes,
especially with the justpublicity that's everywhere.
People are saying, just don'twatch it. It's like, Well, I
think those you can't avoid it.
It's everywhere right now.
LA (34:37):
I mean, I've only watched the first episode of the Netflix
series, but the Netflix I didtoo doc that has like this,
these unreleased tapes of like,32 hours of interviews with him,
with this one lady. I thinkthat's worse than the show,
because it's literally him, justso matter of fact, they just
talking about what he did, like,it's just like, making dinner.
(34:58):
Yeah, yeah. Just, I. Haven't
Berly (35:00):
even started that. I tried to start the series
because I love Evan Peters,yeah. And I made it through the
first episode, and I was justlike, nope, not for me. Yeah, I
LA (35:09):
haven't gone back to it yet.
Berly (35:10):
I'm sure I will, but I don't plan to. I've heard rave
reviews about his performance,but it's just, it was just too
disturbing for me. Yeah, it's,
LA (35:19):
yeah. I'm
Berly (35:20):
like, Evan Peters, you finally did it. You finally got
cast in a role where there iszero ways for me to think of you
as attractive, right?
LA (35:32):
Well, and honestly, I really found one thing that is, like,
scary about it to me is normallywhen you hear these tapes or
interviews with these serialkillers or whatever they've had,
like, some messed up childhoodor something happened to them,
but he didn't. He really didn't.
And he just, like, had thiscraving one day and just kept
going after it. It was a Wendigopsychosis, yeah, and like, his
(35:53):
He kept trying to, like,incapacitate them, basically, so
he could do whatever he wantedbut still keep them alive. That
was like, what he was trying todo. It's insane. Yeah and oh
Berly (36:06):
yeah. Enough cannibal talk.
LA (36:08):
Yeah, it's awful. Yeah,
Berly (36:09):
it's terrible. It's terrible. Enough of that. Let's
not let's move on. We have aquote from Dean. He's talking to
Sam about their dad's journaland why he thinks their dad left
it to them. And he said, I thinkhe wants us to pick up where he
left off. You know, savingpeople, hunting things, the
(36:30):
family business. Cheers, cheers.
Thank you for listening to denimwrapped nightmares.
LA (36:40):
Follow us on Twitter or Instagram, leave a review and
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LA (36:48):
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