Bears vs. Packers: Round 3!

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular small Green Bay was
restless. Spirit ran low and then it hit
me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. Welcome back.

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To derailed. I'm your host, JJ Leahy here
with one and only Jake Schmick. We're going to talk about a.
Lot of different stuff, a lot ofdifferent stuff.
Tool for this is helping us get our priorities straight.
Are we ready for Ed policy days?Only six more months.

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We are counting down the days, brother.
Believe me, believe me. Here.
Yes. Pack of dogs says show opener
with pics of Ed policy. Yeah, of course, of course.
Hey, only Ed policy can save us now.
That's that's where we're at, Chris says.
Gary Bears. Yeah.
I can't wait for them to do the Gary Bears.

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It's gonna be so freaking funny.Can't wait, can't wait.
The folks in the chat are talking about the show
community, Tyler Dershow tool for this, both talking about the
show community. Have you seen Community, Jake?
Because I have not. I've seen little.
Clips of it I. Think I would like it but I
haven't actually sat down. And watched it.
Ever. I I have not seen it.

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Well, there you go. We haven't seen it.
We'll have to As I said in in mycomment, I only have 35 more
full TV shows to get through. Before I'm all.
Caught up in my list. Yeah.
So Speaking of getting caught up, we're in the play offs.
We are facing off against the Gary Bears, Decatur Staley's.

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They were almost the Arlington Heights Bears.
Gary Bears is significantly funnier than Arlington Heights
Bears. So this is this is do or die.
You have to win this one. No excuses.
I think it's been a overall certainly a disappointment of a
season, just not really what we were expecting out of the

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season. This is the chance to be able to
either put a check mark on the season and say, hey, it was a
successful year, right? We went four and two against the
division in the regular season. Have a chance to knock the Bears
out of the playoffs and end their season.
This is your last hurrah to build something to hang your hat

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on for the 2025 season. If you get knocked out of the
playoffs by the Bears, and particularly then if they go on
a playoff run you have there, there's this is a burn the tape
season where you want to forget.About it as soon as possible.
I, I mean, I, I can't stress enough, like what a huge
difference it is between winningand losing this game, even if

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you just went by a point. Even if you just.
Went by a point and in overtime,right?
It just doesn't style points don't matter.
I saw some people talking on social media about like, oh this
needs to be like a a butt whipping that bears are never
going to forget. Would love that.
I'd absolutely love that. Name of the game is just Win.

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Baby. Just win.
That's what it comes down to, pretty much.
I guess the Packers decided. I guess the Packers decided that
they needed all their chips on the table for this game to win
it and that they felt like this was the matchup because they
punted on the Vikings game threeor four days before it even was

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played. It's a lot of people talking
about. Oh, it's a meaningless.
Game we have different definitions.
Of meaningless games then. To me, a division rival is never
going to be a meaningless game. Well, you can't improve your
playoffs to seeding from the seventh seed to the sixth seed.
OK, it's a division rival. You guys are always talking to

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me about how much you hate the Vikings and like Vikings fans
not buying it. What would you say a meaningful
game is? 1 you turn tune into?
I didn't. I didn't.
I watched 0 seconds of the Vikings game.
The Packers clearly didn't care so why should I care?

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Why should I care about a game the Packers don't care about?
They they didn't. Care.
I agree. Not at all.
Why should I waste my time watching a game that the team
playing doesn't care about? Obviously, some players cared.
Baron Sorrell started the game. He was super hyped to start the
game. I saw people on Twitter saying

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that he had a really good game. I didn't even go to PFF
afterwards and look at the grades I should have.
I didn't 'cause I didn't care about this game.
At some point I will go back andwatch tape on the guys who I'm
interested in for 2026 and BaronSorrell is going to be one of
those guys. I heard he had a nice game, so
we will go back and see what he did.

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As somebody who lives in Michigan, I am very thankful
that we swept the Lions. Very, very thankful.
Makes my life a lot easier for the next 6 months plus.
So I'm very happy about that. And I don't live near Minnesota.
I don't know any Minnesota fans,so, you know, it doesn't make my

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life a lot more difficult that we split with the Vikings.
A lot of people, more Packer fans, claim to really hate the
Vikings and then also called this a meaningless game.
We don't see eye to eye, whatever.
But this playoff game here against the Bears for all the
marbles, ad model says definitely didn't watch that

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turd. I think that's a good
description of the game. For sure.
Oh wait a minute, I think I'm behind on something.
So tool for this says I lived inMinnesota.
Losing Walt is a victory enough?Did he resign today?
I know he had a press conference.
I have no idea. It's not my state.
It's a good question. I saw was I saw a meme of Marco

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Rubio suiting up to also be the governor of Minnesota, which I
think is funny because of the whole he's got like 7 jobs.
I thought that was fun. I'm guessing that means he
resigned. Today.
Oh, he's stating he's not running again.
Oh, OK. Thank you, Doug, for the for the
context. And then?

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Let's see what was you're saying.
Drew Drew's dog got bit at doggydaycare about halfway.
Through the game, so we had to go.
Pick him up early. Oh, no, it's OK, OK.
And then Tofu says I'm indifferent about the Vikings.
They're like mosquitoes, annoying in their time, but
don't actually accomplish anything.

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So yeah, as somebody, like I said, who doesn't live near
Minnesota, the Vikings have always been the division rival
that I've cared about the. Least it's.
Bears. Lions kind of a gap in the
Vikings. Most years I would slot the
49ers slightly ahead of the Vikings.
Actually, in terms of who I hate.

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Why? Because 49ers impact our lives.
Vikings don't, actually. Impact our lives. 20/19/2019 In
the division round the Vikings played the Niners and I rooted
for the Vikings. I didn't want to play the Niners

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and I was perfectly picked up toplay round three against the
Vikings. But they couldn't vote off.
So that was just the reason to be mad at the Vikings, Adam
Huddle says. Every Vikings fan I knew already
punched on this here and also didn't watch that turn.
Of the game. Fair enough, fair enough, fair
enough. OK, Jake, any thoughts that you

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want to get out of the way before we move to structured
podcasting? I hope that this JJ closet I
don't fan confirmed. No, I'm not.
I don't think so. I don't think there's anything
we have to get out of the way. Yeah, I mean, Oh, yes, that was

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cool. Oliver played.
Oliver did play. Yes.
Was he was he good? How did they how did they use
him? What position did he play?
I want to know. Edge.
OK, Interesting. Tiny Edge. 44 pressures on 15
password snaps. Did he?

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Did he, if you like, squinted your eyes like he's already?
No, he didn't have. He didn't look like he was
wearing a Jets jersey to you if you squinted.
Oh, that's not what I thought you were going to say.
He didn't look like he was wearing a Jets jersey.
I don't think so. A Jets jersey.

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Tiny pass rusher drafted to The Jets.
The Jets jersey. No, I don't know what that
means, but I would say no. I have no clue what that means,
but I'm going to go with no on that.
OK. What do we got on tap?

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Are we going? I will say we are.
We are because last week we saidyeah, we're going to do the all
Pros. We didn't do that.
I have my all Pros pulled up here.
That's well, I didn't want to respond to that.
I do that comment. We're going to talk to.
This is the only thing that thisgame provided was that McCarthy
still stinks. The funniest tweet that I saw
when I opened up Twitter, like after the game was somebody

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friend of mine tweeted if this version of the defense shows up
in the playoffs, watch out, baby.
I'm like, you know, you're playing, we're playing the
Vikings, right? Like they have a wicked defense
but their their offense makes everybody look good.
They have a. Very, very bad offense.
You know, like I, I don't know there's anything to take away
from whatever our offense could do.

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I mean, our defense could do against their offense.
Like I think you could put me out there on the field and
survive 1 snap without giving upa touchdown against the Vikings
defense, which you probably couldn't say against most NFL
defenses. Most NFL defenses would see me

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on the field and then make me bethe reason that they score a
touchdown. The Vikings, we could.
We could survive one step with me out there.
Adam Huddle says. New Dallas defensive coordinator
Brian. Flores I would love that.
Drew says Bears played, their starters looked terrible.

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Well, they are terrible. Bears are not a good team.
Had an emotional game and still lost.
Their momentum is worse than ours.
I think last week Jake and I hadthe debate.
Jake, was it on the pod or was it after the pod?
We had a debate about what was the Bears best performance this
year. And I said it was their loss
against the Niners. And then you said it was their

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loss against the the Packers. And I said that's probably
correct, that their loss againstthe Packers on the pod in the
first game they played against the Packers was actually their
best performance of the year. Yeah.
Yeah, I think we, I think that was on here pretty sure somebody
who watched tell us, did we say that on the pod last week or was

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that. After.
In the after show, Jake and I talk about like our future dream
of this show blowing up to the point where we have like the
public show and then like a paidprivate after party where you
can tune into just the bowl thatwe do afterwards.

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We need to get we need to get more than we did talk about.
Yeah. 591 YouTube. Subscribers, this is true.
Adam says Packers need to stop the run and not turn the ball
over. Also let Love Actually throw.
That'll be AW the the the returnof Zach Tom is going to be

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interesting. Probably the probably 1 of the
biggest impacts for the offense would be the return of Zach Tom,
not discounting the job that Jordan Morgan did out of
position at right guard, right tackle, sorry, but obviously

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like, it's Zach Tom. So oh, you watched the game.
Who played left tackle? Who played left tackle?
That's right. Was it was it sheet again a left
tackle or did they move? Jordan to left tackle.
Oh, I believe, I believe we got our yeah, we got our wish.

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We got left tackle Jordan Morgan.
Gosh. Gosh, it's.
Amazing. Yeah, I pull up PFI.
We're gonna. We're just gonna.
And Canardo, right tackle, Wow, profound stuff.
Profound stuff that those two played those positions, which
is, I can't believe it. Which is like, how many
offensive line coaches do you think would have arrived at that

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conclusion? Like every offensive line coach
besides Luke Bukas, Like so many85% of offensive line coaches.
Yeah. Jordan Morgan had a 67.7 pass
blocking grade, 64.9 run blocking grade.
That's about as good as it gets,You know, for Mr. Jordan Morgan

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played him at left tackle, many penalties, one penalty, and then
Kennard did basically exactly average at right tackle.
Anthony Belt was the highest graded offensive lineman of the
day at right guard. Love to see that no penalties.
Love to see that boy left guard Lacitus Smith killing it with a

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74 pass blocking grade at left guard.
How funny would it be? How funny would it be if Lucida
Smith unseated Aaron? I'm in on this, I'm in on this.
It can't be worse. Give me all of that Packers.
Doug says Monk at center so I see that Monk played center.

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He was good in run blocking and atrocious in pass pro.
That's not what you want to see Chris Brooks as stinker of a
game in pass pro. Now he only passed block 3 times
and he gave up a QB hit. So that's how that happened.
That's how they gave him a 22 pass blocking grade.
Drake Dabney. Pass block 7 times had 31.5.

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Did you see? Did anybody pick up Mercedes
Lewis? I mean, I know he's 49 years
old. I think so.
I think he's still with the factthat we have no tight ends
practice Rod. Yeah, here's the tight ends we
have in the roster. Luke Musgrave, Josh Wiley, Drake
Dabney. That's not a room that you can
say, oh, we don't need the ghostof Mercedes.

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Lewis. Yeah, you probably do.
Yeah, you do. You might need the ghost of
Bobby Tonyon. You might need the ghost of
Jimmy Graham. Frankly, resurrect Gronk from
USAA for a few minutes, Yes. Oh, Broncos signed him to the
active roster, so they cut him for the practice squad.

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Something I don't. Know, Doug said.
I thought breakfast, picked him back up and activated.
I guess. I guess they did.
Packers, Doug said. Brandon Bostick.
This is probably where I draw the line.
We probably draw the line. There, But Richard Rodgers?
I'd bring back the ghost of Richard Rodgers.
I just catch a Hail Mary simply simply to do that.

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Clayton tune didn't do anyone any favors.
The point of Clayton tune was not to complete passes.
The point of Clayton Tune was toget sacked so that Jordan Love
or Malik Willis. Didn't get sacked.
That was the entire point. Matt Lafleur coming out after
the game and saying if Clayton had not been able to continue

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playing at some point and backupJordan Love had to go out there,
he would not have attempted any passes.
Love to hear that. Love to hear that that you
really were not trying to win the game at all.
Whatever Ed policy with a vote of confidence for Matt Lafleur

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this week come out singing praises for the adversity of
this team has faced. I will say I have.
What was it last week or the week before when we were talking
about who would you bring back Goody Lafleur?
Both. Neither and I said that the
conversation for me about Lafleur would be centered around

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his coaching staff and his hiring decisions.
I don't know if I ranted enough about my frustration that he
doesn't insist that his positioncoaches put their best players
on the field in the biggest moments.

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That still frustrates me That's that's that's a big area where
he could clean up. But the roster holes I don't
hold against Matt Lafleur. The roster holes and the the
thinness at key positions like defensive tackle and corner and
tight end. I don't hold that against Matt
Lafleur. He's he's not in charge of
constructing the roster tool forthis says Richard Rodgers is

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slow, but doggone it, he had a really good hands.
Is he still in the NFLI know? He was at least like 3 years
ago. He was still out there.
Tyler Derschel name dropping. I don't often do name dropping,
but Derschel says Matt Schneidman and I went at it on
Twitter lol. To which I say, who among us has

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not gone at it with Matt Schneidman?
It's all of us, That's it. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be,
it could be a really wild coupleweeks, honestly, if they lose
this game. So could be a really wild couple

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weeks. Do you think it would be better
long term for the Packers to lose this game or worse for
them? We're, let's say, let's say the
year is 2030 and you are told that no, the year is 2030 and

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you're asked to reflect on this game.
And the question is, was it better for the Packers that they
won or lost this game? I think it's probably better
they win it personally. Here's one thing that one, it's

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it's a lot better. It's a lot better to continue to
have playoff wins over your rival.
You know, just that confidence of like, yeah, we can, we can
beat these guys anytime. Like, we're not people
underrates that big time. And that, that win that the
Bears got against the Packers inthe 2024 season at the end of

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the year, it made me so mad the way we just clearly didn't give
a crap during that game. Yeah, and a lot of people made a
lot of excuses after that game. Oh.
It was a meaningless game. It was our backups.
Whatever. No, the Bears got that monkey
off their back. They started to believe, oh,
it's possible Because if you look at some other games that

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they should have won against us,that they lost, not that we beat
them, but that they lost becausewe were in their heads.
We're no longer in their heads. That game didn't mean wouldn't
have meant as much. It would have meant more of like
building momentum than it did because Green Bay blocked that

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field goal and they were like, are you kidding me?
The monkey's still on our back type of thing.
So if you if you allow this teamthis week to beat you in the
playoffs. Now there is a, a growing sense
of the Bears saying, not just, you know, not just we don't need

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to be afraid of them anymore, blah, blah, blah.
No, no, we, we're going to startto own them.
And you allow them to have that confidence in this division
where right now it's weird. This division is at a point
where it feels like it's in that, oh, what is that the
parity circle? We're in the parity circle right

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now where it's like, Oh, well, Green Bay now just Green Bay
owned Detroit this year, right? Detroit could not figure it out
against Minnesota, right? And there was have the Bears
kind of pretty much have the Detroit monkey on their back.
Like we cannot what what what dowe do?
We can't beat Detroit. Like, I get it.

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They were kind of maybe it was maybe kind of a laissez faire
performance from them of like, yeah, we need to win, but
Philly's not playing their guys.So do we need need to win type
of thing don't care. I still think Detroit, you know,
that whole like, yeah, we don't have Ben Johnson, but we still
beat you twice type of thing is is still over them.
And then, yeah, Minnesota and Green Bay splits and Chicago and

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Green Bay split. So there isn't really like a
like a dominating force in this division right now.
Do do you want that? Do you want it back?
Do you do you want the feeling of this is our division playing
in the next season? Because they could have gone
easily. They could have 5:00 and 1:00
after their disaster clunker against the Bears, which they
were trying to win and just couldn't 'cause they couldn't

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get their own way. But like, going five and one
says something, choosing to go 5and 2 when you could go 5 and
one Now, as you said, yeah, they're they they opted to go.
They opted. Yeah, maybe the thinking is they
felt like they were going five and two either way and that

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they'd rather take a shot at 5:00 and 2:00 with a win over
the Bears, even if it meant potentially 5 and three or four
and three. So the in in 2020, in the Big
10, there was this circle of suck.
There were these teams that all lost to each other.

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It included Michigan, Michigan State, like Maryland, I forget
who the other teams were. One interesting thing was that
like none of them played Ohio State and there was just this
parity of suck in the conferencethat.

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Year. And like certain 2021 conference
started to get a lot better, started to get a lot tougher for
various reasons. Michigan, they they got a year
off from getting their butts kicked by Ohio State, got a
chance to kind of get that monkey off their back.
And in 2021, had a bunch of young guys who hadn't played

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Ohio State ever. Didn't know.
Hey, we're supposed to lose to them even.
If we think that we're really good and they were able to pull
off a, a well deserved win in 2021 and flip that rivalry for
the next few years and the rest of the division, the rest of the
of the conference got really good as well.
And so here we have the kind of circle of suck in the NFC North.

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And like I, I, I still really, even though I think all four
teams have a winning record, which is rare, I just think that
they all played a bunch of really bad teams.
I don't think the NFC North is good this year in 2025.
I just it's not a very good it'sit's a it's a the floor is nice

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and high. You gotta there's there's no
three win teams in the division.That's great.
But like, do would any of these teams scare you if you're
matched up against them in the play offs?
They shouldn't this year if you're no yeah, this year if
you're if you're Seattle or Los Angeles and and you're you just

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know, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna face an NFC North team in the
play offs. You're like, OK, cool.
And then who do I play? Yeah, for sure, for sure.
It it it's yeah. Philly, Philly would be the same
way if they had, you know, another team from the the East
come in. Right.
It's kind of like, yeah. You worried about them?

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No, we're worried about we play after them.
If I was a good team focused on this week, if I was, if I was
the Rams or the Seahawks, I wouldn't be nervous about Philly
either. Shouldn't be.
The Rams might have a little psychological thing going on,
though. Well, and and that that had them
buried in September. That is when football fun is

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easy. You do get just the really bad
matchups. It's the elephant versus mouse
matchup, right? And that that happens all the
time. So yeah, see, Drew is saying I
was so mad watching the Eagles Commanders game and the
commentators were talking about how important it is to be able

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to play the Packers over the 49ers.
I mean, you should be mad at thePackers for that one because I
think that's a kind of a good point.
I think the I think the Niners are a tougher out.
Than the Packers. So you should just be mad at
your team for not being better. Oh, man, Iowa Joe, we have a
real conversation. What do we all think of a

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Stranger Things final season? Jake, are you a Stranger Things
fan? I don't know.
I don't know if I am or not. I'm really honest.
How much Stranger Things have you seen 0?
Oh, OK. So, well, so I am you a fan if
you haven't seen it. I, I I'm not a hater, though.
So the world's not the world's not divided into fans and

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haters. It's fans and normal people who
go on with the rest of their lives without engaging.
There you go. Fan.
Yeah, yeah. I I like stranger things.
I've not seen it. I might, I might like it.
I have no idea. I really liked the final season.
I think Season 4 is the best season and season 5 is like just

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below. It.
Then I'd probably go season 1. Probably season 3, then season
2. Two and three are both pretty
bad. 1/4 and five are excellent.Tool for this.
Found a stranger things NFL hat.OK I'll pull it up.

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I'm pulling it up. Where is tool for this?
Every time I search for too old for this, I just go T.
OOO. OK, here's the.
Hat Oh, I'm not sure. You know why it kind of makes

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sense? I think it's funny.
It's got the old NFL logo. I guess that kind of fits with
with that. That would track, yes, Derschel
says. Tool for this should be a hat
model. I agree, because then you can
cover up the bald head. I'm I'm a big hat junkie.
I wear hats all the time. I have a stack of hats right
over here and I have a stack of hats over there and I've got

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hats hanging right there and I got a stack of hats down here.
Oh, and I have a basket. Of hats over there got a lot of
hats. And I have basket of hats out in
the other room, Joe says. I think overall it was good,
just didn't think they did a good enough job of finalizing
everything. Too many loose threads.
Here's the problem. Like almost no show has a like a

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perfect ending except for like Breaking Bad perfect ending.
But otherwise, like it's really hard to end a good show and not
have people hate the ending. I think that there were
certainly some flaws with the ending, but thought it was

(31:24):
pretty good. I liked, and this is a spoiler
free comments, but I liked what they let Joyce do at the end,
that it got to be Joyce. You know what I mean?
You saw it. I liked that.
Because. Because nobody deserved that
more than either 11 or. Joyce A. 100% agree.

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Yeah. Tool for this says Good point.
Dirchell says Ozark was pretty perfect.
I saw the 1st. Two OK, this is it.
OK. I saw the 1st 2 episodes of
Ozark. My wife and I are watching it
together and then after the second episode and it's like a
dark show. After the second episode, she

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gave birth. My wife did.
And like, afterwards, you know, as you're trying to like,
navigate the new stage of life and like your sanity is like
teetering a little bit as you'rebalancing lack of sleep, you
know, postpartum hormones, all these things.

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Like we talked about starting the show back up.
Again, we were like. I don't know that we're in the
right state of mind to be watching something as dark as
this again. So we'd love to jump back into
it at some point, and I'm sure we will, but have that kind out
of that Iowa. Joe says, obviously you never
watched Psych. So is Psych the one where he's

(32:55):
like faking it? So I saw an episode of that.
The first episode #1 baby. I saw the first episode and I
could see why other people like it.
And it was very much not for me.I thought this kind of #1 on my

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list was about special teams, but it's actually stranger.
Things what? Did you say Jake?
It's number one all time for me.Psych.
Have you seen Breaking Bad? Nope.
Yeah, Breaking Bad is excellent.I Breaking Bad is a show that I
have a little bit of a hard timerecommending to people because

(33:39):
the first couple of episodes arewhat's the word I want to use?
Little harsh. There's a lot of sex in them
actually, which is like, it doesn't really care if you got
the rest of the show, but like it's, it's like in your face
enough that some people are really going to be bothered by

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it. And so that's it's hard to
recommend. And it's like, OK, I get, I get
it. I get why it bothers you for
sure, but also like it's just these first couple episodes and
then that's it. So if you can't handle that,
then you just can't handle it. But if you can get past that, it
does stop. So it's a really, really good
show though. Interesting.

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I was never able to get into Game of Thrones.
I think I saw the whole first season and it was like too much
for me. Oh man, we're really getting top
five for sure. Game of Thrones.
That'll be, that's my top five. It's over.
This is favorite Psych episode good.

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Question. For me, I know everybody wants
that the Hangover tribute one, which is is very good.
But I think man, I like I like the dual Spires, the Twin Peaks

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tribute one that's probably up there.
The end of season 6, first episode of season 7.
That's Santa Barbara town. It's a 2 parter.
That one's real. Those two are really good.
I like that they tried the trilogy thing at the end of
seasons 3-4 and five. Those ones are really good.
I season 4 has so many bangers too.

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The Old West one, the the exorcist one, they they all all
those in season 4 that that slaps.
I I do love that the American duo.
Does it, does it get more serious?
No, because like the first, the first episode was like kind of
almost like slapstick. It's like it's not it.
No, it doesn't get serious that much.

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OK. It does not.
Oh yes, of course, of course I've seen the movies.
My my movies. My they just meant the movies.
My college. You've gone for the movies
docket. Have you ever shared?
Yeah, Tim Curry and yeah, in theAmerican duos episodes, Elite

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Tim Curry. I love Tim Curry.
He's in the season, the first episode of season 2.
He is phenomenal in that. Yeah, it's the spelling bee
one's good too, too, for this. Put that in the comments.
That was that was fantastic, too.
Yeah. That you really can't go wrong
if you like that type of of show.
There's all the tribute stuff that they do to certain things,

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all the 80s, you know, stuff that that stays, stays going
throughout throughout the show. And then, yeah, the movies, we
had a watch party, the first, the first one that came out in
my college house, which was fun.We we cut up few pineapples.

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It's a good time. So OK, we had some Rashawn Gary
chatter here that that was fun. So, Drew, would you guys trade
Rashawn Gary given our depth at the position?
Packer Doug always liked Gary. See my avatar.

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Yep, I see the Rashawn Gary witha stogie.
Love that. I think his wheels are shot.
No trade value. Gary's spirit is willing with
the flesh is weak. Yeah.
I can't imagine he has a lot of trade.
Value. Especially with that contract, I
don't think people would just even just want to pay him that
contract, frankly. What?

(37:40):
Where are you Jake on because here.
I'm gonna make a. Prediction.
I'm gonna make a prediction in like maybe like 3-2 or three
days after we get eliminated from the playoffs, whenever that
is. Some beat writer is not getting
eliminated and reveal all the way after the Super Bowl.

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Like 2 days after the Super Bowl, some beat writer is gonna
come out and reveal. Rashan Gary had a gnarly
hangnail on his big toe the whole season that he played
through, and that's why he was ahero for even be on the field.
This is gentleman in this scholar.
OK, you get. You take whoever underperformed

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the most in a season, and at theend of the year, he tells a beat
writer. Oh, actually, I was hurt all
year. Oh man.
Oh well. All right, we take back
everything we said about him. He's actually elite.
And then the very next year he has the exact same performance.
So it's two years in a row. So it's like, yeah, so is that

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bone still broken or yes or what?
Yes. Tool for this says Gary from
SpongeBob is faster than Rashan.Yeah, Gentleman a scholar.
That's the ACL thing. I don't think he's just never
been the same period. And it's it do I mean, he gives

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up on a lot of plays. He gives up on a lot of plays
way he saw Mike, he saw Micah trying too hard and look back at
him and he's like, well, I can'tdo that.
I see, see he's learning, he's learning.
He's like, I can't do that. I already had this once.
Spoiler alert, Rashawn Gary not on my all pro list.

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I can't believe it. I, I, you know, I was there was
some speculation, you know, the sources were leaking.
JJ put potentially put Rashawn Gary into his all pro list.
You know, that wasn't you. I think everybody did.
That wasn't true. That was kind of wanted to do.
It was all the smoke they were trying to get.
You know, they were it was it was it was draft rumors.

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Classic Brian Muffy's favorite. I kind of want to do kind of
want to do our our all pro ballot.
That is fine. I'm good with that.
You want to do quarterback first?
Yeah. Let's shall we?
OK. So here's how I did it.
I did first team, second team and then like I have 1/3 name of

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these positions that I just called honorable mention.
There. How many names do you have for
each position? Two to three.
I, I, there's somewhere I just put 2, there's somewhere I have,
you know, 3 or 4 guys that I wanted to shout out.
Just, it just depends. I honestly, I really wish we
would start with Punter, but youknow, we'll get there.

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I think we'll, we'll, we'll get there.
Did you do punter? I'm, I'm going to tell you I
didn't do kicker, punter, kick returner, punt returner,
specialist or long snapper, because to do those, you have to
watch more teams than I watched.And I'm not willing to sit there
and watch the special teams for some teams I don't care about.

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I'll, I'll tell you, I cheated for for for punter.
Did you? Yeah, I looked at punter, EPA
generated and took the top one. It was pretty good.
So OK, let me make some predictions.
OK. Was Corey Bojorquez in there?
He was not in the top two. Top two were.

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The top 2 are on playoff teams. I see.
I don't even know who the punters are for most of the NFL
teams. There was a time when I
definitely could have told you. You 25 starting punters love
this. My first team all pro punter are
king. Mr. Dan Wieland.
Nice second team all pro punter Michael Dixon, Seattle Seahawks.

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So there you go. Nice.
Easy peasy. OK, nice.
Very easy. Very took about took two.
I saw someone post that and I'm like, oh, perfect.
OK, I'm done. Oh, I know who posted.
I think I know what you're talking about.
I think I got tagged in that. Did you?

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Yeah. I was like, oh, well, if I'm
gonna if we do kicker or punter like, well, this is easy.
I've done. I've done with that.
I should have just done that. I don't know why I didn't.
I'm done with that. Just not so grave enough tool
for that says Ireland has no kings.
All right, I didn't know that. So how about we do this?
How about I'll, I'll say the position and then we will

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alternate who says a name? So like for the first position,
like I'll do first team, you'll do second team first.
Like I'll do first team first, you'll do second team first.
Did you want the rest of my lovely specialists, your
punters, my kickers and returners?
Sure. Get get all your specialists out

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of the way. I also I will tell you I only
put one full back on here because I looked at the full
backs and I concluded there was only one full back worthy of
being recognized at all and the other four full backs who are in
the NFL don't deserve any record.
I just did a flex position. I didn't even do full back,
probably should have but kickers.

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Aubrey was my first team all proand then Will Reichert from
Minnesota is my second team all pro.
As far as returners go, shout out Illinois wide receiver
Isaiah Williams is my first teamall pro returner.
Second team all pro returner is Chimray, DK, rookie Tennessee
Titans. So there you go those are but

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those are their specialists all pros love it Packers are already
on the board. We'd love to see it.
How much more will they be on board?
Stick around and find out. Are we going QB?
Yeah. Hold on a second.

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JJ has found another stat quick.That's here we go.
He doesn't. Yeah.
OK, OK. I don't know this.

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Is what you got what's happening?
I don't want to say it makes me mad.
OK, Can you talk for one second?Just talk for a second while I
look at this and make sure that I.
OK all. Right, let me let's let's, let's
look at some stuff here while hetakes a peek.

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Yeah, Packer Doug says. I, you know, he's talking to
Drew says always liked Gary. I think the wheels are shot.
He doesn't have trade values. Gary's spirit is willing, but
the flesh is weak. I don't know.
Sometimes the spirit tailed off a little bit as well.
Well, yeah, I just don't. I don't think they're going to
get anything for him, most likely.

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But yeah, with him, potentially him and Kingsley on the way out,
it kind of opens the door if Green Bay wants to add somebody
to that room. As far as like I will say,
Kingsley leaving doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I think you need to keep Kingsley if you can.
You should if you cannot, well, that's what drafts for add to

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the room. You could get a Van Ness backup,
right? That the the bigger body type.
And then you have kind of the the Sorrell kind of fits in that
Kingsley thing where it's like he's a little bit in between
those two roles of like, yeah, he's not the he's not the
smallest, right, Like the Parsons, like the Olivers.
He's not that he's not at the Van Ness size.
So you kind of have a good, goodspread of of roles in there.

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So. And Bretton Cox is obviously
still there too. Most likely hacker Doug says DK
Hope I didn't honk you off. JJI don't understand and I will
not. Respond.
Whoa, all right, all right, all right, track.
Get the jokes out about Brenton Cox.
Just go ahead, get those going. Have have fun.

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First team quarterback. I have Matt Stafford.
Yes, agreed. All right, who's your who's your
second team QB? My second team QB was that this
was difficult. This was the difficult one of
like what do I put here? If he played more Brock Purdy
has an argument here if he played more this year, but I I I

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took the easy way out. I just I just put Drake may I I
slotted him in there. It's the two.
I also went Drake May and this, this was a most positions,
actually every position except for full back.
I did have a honorable mention. So my honorable mention actually
was Jordan Love. Yeah, I think that's pretty
fair. I thought he was pretty clearly

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the third best quarterback in the NFL this year.
There were other guys who had really good years.
I think Sam Darnold was kind of worthy of consideration, but I I
really couldn't. Put him above Jordan Love.
Yeah, the, the turnovers I thinkreally hurt Arnold's chances of

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getting into the all pro discussion.
So 2 of this is I don't want JJ going anywhere.
I agree. I agree.
I don't want to go. Yeah, me either.
I'm not here. I'm here.
Yes. OK.
Running back. Who was your first team running
back? I think we're going to probably
disagree. I think so.
My first team running back is James Cook for the Buffalo

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Bills. I'm not sure if I have any bills
on here. So my that is my only team
Buffalo Bill. My first, my first team running
back was was definite Chan OK, Ilike it.
Charles 2 point O Mr. Devon. My second team running back was

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Jonathan Taylor. That's what I had in there
initially. That's what I had in there
initially, but I put I put Bijanin there at at the number two
spot. Bijan was my honorable mention.
I have JT and HN both sitting there underneath my first and
second team and I flip-flopped those.
Maybe not HN as much, but I flip-flopped JT and Bijan

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probably 3-4 times because I wasputting this together.
It was was hard to do. So you did a full back.
I did a flex. We can, we can kind of play off
that probably at the same same juncture, but sure, full back.
I want to know. Yeah.
So who is it? I went Patrick Ricard from the

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Ravens. I thought that he was kind of
the clear and obvious only fullback worth worthy of real
consideration. Reggie Gilliam for the Bills has
some nice numbers on PFFI guess,but he just despite the fact
that he played a similar amount of snaps to Ricard, I just I

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felt that he had a lot smaller impact on on the Bill's success.
Compared to, you know, or. What success they did have
compared to the impact that Ricard had on the Ravens.
So he was kind of the clear and obvious choice for me.
Another guy I at least took noteof was Hunter Luke.

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Former North north, go to state.Bison played for Dallas.
He only logged 122 snaps, but hehad a pretty good year.
He was kind of the only guy at fullback who made any
contributions as a receiver, which I thought was kind of

(49:58):
interesting. There were a couple of guys,
Adam Prentice and Kyle Ustjek who were really good pass
blockers, but I I was not remotely impressed at all with
either what I saw or what PFF said about their run blocking.
And like for a full back like I want you to run block for sure.

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For sure. So there's that, yeah.
All right, give me your give me your all-purpose.
So yeah, the all-purpose one. I just it was, you know,
receiver, running back. I, I put McCaffrey in here just
simply because again, the guy isessentially was essentially
their best receiver this year ontop of carrying a massive load

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at the running back position. Just really I, I was rooting for
him to get to the, the Rodger Craig number of 1K1K, which they
would have probably renamed the McCaffrey number because he
would have done it twice. But he finished 76 yards away
from 1000, which would have beenreally sick to see.
I put him there and then my other flex player is the

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receiver who I put in the honorable mentions of the All
Pros, and that was Aman Ross St.Brown.
Yeah. So Aman Raw was a tricky one for
me and is worthy of a debate. Let's do tight end though.
Let's let's get tight end of theway.
Easy enough. Think you're going?

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No, I'm going first on this one.Yeah.
So I had George Kittle as my first team tight end.
Yeah, no arguments. No arguments here.
He was my second teamer and and even even with missing as many
games as he did, absolute beast talking about missing games.

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My second team tight end was Tucker Craft.
If he had finished the year out,I think you're right.
I feel very strongly he would have been my first team.
Yeah, bro, tight end. He was on fire to start the he
was, he was awesome. He didn't even have any bad
weeks either. It was just that, you know, he
exploded his leg and couldn't play anymore.

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Yeah. Some of the weeks that he
didn't, he wasn't, you know, dominating as a receiver.
It was like, yeah, no, we need you as sixth alignment, buddy.
Like you gotta, we need you heretoday.
Sorry, we'll not be catching thefootball very much.
And like technically 6th alignment.
But in terms of like how well he's playing, well, there is
realignment. Yeah, there is that yes, I would

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say that that yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Puts him in a in a in a different tier.
Can I, I, I just want to shout one guy out before I make this
list. He didn't have like this big
year as a receiver. And again, he was he wasn't
really he wasn't really in consideration, But I I feel like
this is the only place we would ever shot him out at this point.

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The Bills ran the ball really, really well this year.
Obviously James Cook, my first team all pro.
Hey, good on them for doing something good this year.
Yeah. And so the Don Kincaid got hurt.
He's obviously a receiver. He's not really you know he
doesn't even he doesn't even getsnaps in line right.
They they take him off the field.
Knox was hurt. I want to shout Jackson Hawes

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out at the rookie from Georgia Tech who caught some touchdowns
this year but was also a a a staunch blocker in both phases
this year for that, for that Bill's offense really, really
impressed with what he did as a rookie.
And then we're on watch. Can't wait to see how he does
going forward. And then obviously my first team

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all Pro is is Trey McBride setting records, setting some
records on this. He was your first team all pro
at tight end. Yeah.
OK. So you didn't have Kittle on
there then I had Kittle second team.
So I had so I had Kittle first, Craft 2nd, and then honorable

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mention, Kyle Pitts just had a absolutely crazy good year.
I can't consider Trey McBride a tight end, but you consider Kyle
Pitts one. Kyle Pitts can block, Trey
McBride can't. You watched you can confirm that

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or did you look at PFF? Well, I, I, I, I didn't watch a
lot of them this year. I leaned heavily on PFF for that
one, but I saw him play a littlebit.
OK, I did. I did have Trey McBride on here.
So after we had talked last weekand I, I had decided like I just

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can't have them on here at tightend.
You either convinced me or said something that made me think
about just moving him on my listover to receiver, which is what
I did. So I did put him on here at
receiver. So I feel like receiver is kind
of a tricky 1 to cover here because there's so many names.

(55:15):
How how many wide receiver like starting spots did you have on
three? You had three starting wide
receivers. I did so, so that means like a
minimum of 6 receivers. And I, I did, I don't mention
for all three spots too. So I have 9 receivers to talk
about. OK, so I'm a little bit kind of

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at a loss as like how to talk about this.
I, I wonder if we had the same top 2.
This is a really good one. Because honestly, yeah, if they
threw to him all year, Michael Wilson would 100% be odd here.
Fantastic season for him. It's an outrageous stretch of
football for him and and I'm glad I'm glad that someone

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brought him up in the comments. It's really good Big fan of that
I because he went to Stanford, right?
He did yes. I absolutely loved him at
Stanford. I was, I was very, very crushed.
We didn't draft him because to me he felt like a prototypical

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Packers later round receiver. So I was crushed after that.
Yeah. Senior Bowl, big body it it.
Yeah, it definitely fits the archetype.
So I wonder if we have the same top 2 receivers because in my
mind there's a gap after the top2 receivers.
There is. OK.
So yeah, obviously it's puka andJSF.

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Yes, yes. In that order.
Absolutely. Yeah, in that order.
Yeah, yes. And I was, I the obviously the
real thinking started after that.
And I think so at wide receiver three, I did go almond raw, but

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I had a very tough decision to make here because for only
playing not quite half the year,Christian Watson on a per snap
basis outperformed almond raw inevery category.
And so I was really tempted to go Watson over Alman raw for

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that reason. Decided, Hey, Aman raw played
the whole year. I'm going to give him that that
credit for it. And I'm just going to say like,
hey, Christian, if you want the accolades and the respect, then
just do it again next year, right?
Also like Aman, Raw can do a little more.
On the field. Yeah, but from a from a stats

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standpoint, Watson was on track to outpace Almanura in every
stat. So Watson was on my second team
for that. Probably not going to find a lot
of guys who come in more than halfway through the season and,
you know, just play kind of the back stretch of the year and

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still make a second team All prolist in the way that Christian
has played has been kind of out of his mind.
Out of his mind. So the other two second team
receivers that I had were Trey McBride and Jamar Chase, and I
didn't really have those guys necessarily in an order except

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that Watson, McBride were both behind Chase.
I wanted to give Chase kind of the nod.
So who after your top 2 receivers do you want to go to
your next four? Yeah, yeah, let's do that.
So yeah, Jamar Chase did make second team for me.
Likes to point that out. Also had Nico Collins there.

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Nico was on my good season for him.
I have George Pickens as my third first team player.
Yep. But not let me ask you a
question. Let me ask you a question.
If if you had Trey McBride as a wide receiver, would Pickens
have been, would Pickens or McBride have been higher at wide

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receiver? If you classified McBride as a
receiver, I, I guess McBride would be higher, but I would
never classify him as that. So, but yes, he would probably
be. But as, as players, you know,
unlike the accolades that we're handing out here, because that's
all the all Pro is, is just accolades.

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We are, we're we're putting these players basically in the
same spots as each other with the exception of Watson.
So you had so you had as your second team.
Wait a minute. Who is your wide receiver 3?
Was it Amanra Pickens? Oh, Pickens was wide receiver 3
for you? Yes.
OK. Then Jason Collins, I thought
are on the second team. Chase Collins.

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Yeah. And then my 6th spot was was
very difficult probably. The the 2 1/2 yard per route run
1200 yard season for Zay Flowersis is kind of wild is kind of
continues to fly under the radar.
He might be the worst thought about Zay.
I think he's the worst receiver to have 1000 yards at every

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season that there is in the league at this point, which
again, that's hey, at least you can at least say you're getting
there. One more honorable mention.
Truly, if he didn't, if he wasn't hurt and wasn't in and
out of the line up. Pretty sure Drake London makes
this list. Yeah, I thought about Drake as
well. I thought about him as well.

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Yeah. He did not stay healthy enough
to do that. I thought about Diggs as well.
Diggs made my honorable mention.Yeah, but I'm going to give this
guy who? Who?
You know, I don't know how many people would even give this guy
a second team All Pro. Not Dale.
To find out if they do or not. What?

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Dale Robinson, he might, he might even be potentially A
comeback player of the year conversations.
I don't know how because of thatawards weird.
But after all the concussions last season and quarterback
nonsense all season long and helping shut catch fire at the
end of the season, I'm going Chris Olave as my final guy on

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the second team. So that's pretty good, pretty
good. Again, a lot of options once you
get off that those top 2, there's there's a lot of options
you could you can look at for this.
And then as I said it for those who, if you missed it, Amin Ross
St. Brown was my second team flex
All Pro after McCaffrey. So up next, we have left tackle.

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Did you have any right tackles? Yeah, there was, I mean,
humongous drop off from left tackle to right tackle.
I put 4 left tackles on here. I didn't even care.
Yeah, I kind of wanted to just, I just, I just going through it
all this year of like, all right, who would, who would make

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my teams here? Yeah, OK, blah, blah, blah.
Go back and forth on all of it and go, yeah, pretty much you
can put 4 left tackles on here and it'd be it.
It would be just fine. So I did that.
I had probably make some Lions fans mad because they're guy.
Yeah, Denny was my play team. Right tackle.

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He was OK. If I, if I was required to put
right tackle on there, he would be.
He would be on there. But nobody said anything about
it to me. I just have tackles.
I I did left tackle. I had Tristan Werfs and Trent
Williams with Garrett Bowles is honorable mention.

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OK, who's your who are your lefttackles?
The two tackles I put on the on the left were left tackles,
Trent Williams and Garrett Bowles first and second.
OK. And then on the other side,
since I did all left tackles, might as well say I've Laramie
Tonsil as one of the first teamers and then worst is my
second teamer. It would have been nice to be

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able to to draft Larry Tonsil. That or put him on my on my
thing. That would been nice.
Yes, at right tackle. So I had Penne Sewell and Colton
Mckibbits and honorable mention Zach Tom.
Just keep Zach Tom just keeps chugging along, keeps chugging
along. All right, left guard.

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Who was your first team left guard?
First team left guard, unfortunately is Joe Tooney.
I had him on the mistakes, man. How many, how many teams is he
going to go to and change things?
I think that makes him the only bear on here for me.

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Yeah, I had him an honorable mention.
Yes, he is. My first team left guard was
Quentin Nelson. Yep, that's fair.
And second team, left guard was Peter Skronski.
OK, mad that we didn't get. OK, So this, yes, this is this
worked out very nicely. My second team is Quinn Nelson.

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My honorable mention is Peter Skronski.
Heck of a season. Again, another guy that yeah, we
just nobody talks about how goodhe's been this year because he's
playing for the Titans and because pretty much everybody
else around him has been struggling.
Dan Moore is struggling at left tackle, while who could have
foreseen that? You know, JC Latham had, you

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know, his ups and downs as as a rookie.
That's that's pretty much continued in his second year.
So yeah, Skronski, heck of a season.
Dershow Quinn Miners is right guard and I imagine we're going
to get there. I imagine.
Oh, I imagine we will. I imagine we will get there.
So, so it's at center to me. I felt like this was very clear

(01:05:16):
cut and obvious who The Who the three centers were to include,
which means we're going to not see eye to eye.
On any of them. You're going to have three
totally different Centers for mesince since I felt like it was
so obvious. We basically went kind of three
for three on left guard. But but we'll we'll see.
What center? So who was your first team

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center? First team center?
Shaw, Ryan, just an absolute second team center, absolute
yeah absolute team center Jacob Jacob Bunk, absolute 4th week
18. You know he makes no, I love
that that Joe's on that on that page as well no, for me, I, I, I

(01:06:01):
had to go look at some of this 'cause I'm like, all right, how
well you know yeah PFF has theirnumbers.
How well is how well are these guys playing?
And because I love watching Devonne Chan anyway, I said
well, this is a double. I could do this no problem.
So and he ends up as my I thought his Aaron Brewer is my

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first team all pro centre for the Miami.
I mean he's a road grader at centre.
Dude was a force this year and he wasn't bad in past pro.
No, I, I felt like there were some stunts he was really
starting to pick up when I did watch him.
Yeah, because because of of whathe what he does for like, again,

(01:06:47):
his his play this year is probably one of the bigger
reasons why McDaniel and the staff is sticking around.
Like I don't think everything runs as well as it does without
his play this year period. So we have really pleased we
have Aaron Brewer to be mad at that we're not getting McDaniel

(01:07:08):
as that's probably right. Yes, along with eight Chan, of
course, of course, but Brewer's probably one of those reasons.
Let's be real, they're not firing Steno.
They're running it back. They were so close this year.
They were so close. I'm telling you.
I'm telling. What if Miami goes after
Harbaugh, though? Goody's strategy this year,

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right? Assume 0 injuries.
It was a brilliant plan. It almost worked.
Perfection. Just got the tiny guys.
What do you want us to do? You know he got hurt.
What do you want us to do? You can't have backups at every
position, all right? Some, some sometimes you just
got to roll the dice and pray for no injuries.
Guys, there's only there's only 53 guys on the roster.

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OK. How you expect me to do this?
All right, my first team center was Creed Humphrey.
Yeah, he's my second for sure. And my second team center was
big draft crusher mine, Tanner Bordolini.
Oh, sure, sure. How many times does I mock draft

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him? 100 too many.
And when you like a Big 10 guy in that third, fourth round
area, you're not getting them. That much is clear.
Shout out Ty Robinson. So yeah, that's, that's how that
goes. Yeah.

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Who who is your second team? Center Humphrey.
Humphrey was. OK.
And then your honorable mention center.
Oh, I didn't. I didn't really have any
honorable for this one. You mentioned Bordellini.
He had a heck of a again, another guy who had a heck of a
year clearing password for John the Taylor who?

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Yeah, I mean, this is this is this was the vision.
I think with a player like Borley is you get an athlete
like that who has the pedigree from from Wisconsin to come in
and and eventually, right. And honestly, probably happened
faster than even than even I wasexpecting it to of just.

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Yeah, that's his job. It's there's no question anymore
about like about any of that. You know, I would have brought
up Linderbaum, but then I watched the game on Sunday night
where he's got pushed around andthat was unfortunately don't
want him anymore. Don't want him.
Can I, can I tell you? Can I tell you?
I took Linderbaum off by all proafter that game.

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I did I didn't he got pushed around, man.
He that was honorable mention and he got he got demoted.
That is rough. So I I finished up my honorable
mention center that I replaced him with was Ryan Kelly, who had
to work with a but carousel of Oh my gosh, special needs

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quarterbacks and still managed to only allow four pressures
credited to credited to him by PFF and one penalty on the year,
which like nobody had one penalty at center this year.

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He also, one thing I liked abouthim in particular was even
though I didn't think he was like as dominant of a road
grader as some of the other top centers in the NFL, thought he
was a a better pass protector than everybody except for Creed
Humphrey. So, yeah, he's a well-rounded
guy. I like that.

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Yeah, I think, yeah. I think if McCoy played more
games, he'd probably be in this conversation.
I I I'll shout out one guy, RyanNuzio from from Atlanta, who is
stepping into some some big shoes with Dalman leaving,
acquitted himself pretty well this season, at least in terms

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of keeping that run game look really good in Atlanta.
Like with with their two, a lot of centers are a lot of centers
are. And so big shout out to him
honestly, for, for filling some some pretty big shoes because
Dalman had another good season of his own in Chicago, But
that's that's a big deal switching centers like that.

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Atlanta took a gamble and it forthe most part paid off.
You know, you could I I think you look to again pass pro where
he's again when, when he's left on the island, right, he's still
a smaller guy, right, like Dalman was.
They're the same thing. They're hovering around that 300
number and you know, they're going to just be points where
guys are bigger than you. And you know, if you're if you

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don't have, if you're not kind of elite in terms of one, being
aware of everything's going on, right, being the quarterback of
the offensive line. And then two, yeah, if your if
your hands aren't super quick and again, being smaller
leverage can do you. So only so good for against some
of these 300, you know, 320 LB guys.

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So, you know, a couple batch upsagainst Tampa Bay, I thought,
you know, even even against New Orleans, I thought there was
there was there was some of thateven this week too.
But big shout out to him for coming in and filling some
shoes. So we got some bright cards.
Yeah. Which so my first team right

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guard was Quinn Miners. Stud.
Who's yours? Quinn Miners, who's your second
team? This, this was tricky.
There were three names that I considered for this and I I
still don't I still don't know if I picked correctly, honestly,

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but I'm going to go, I'm going to go with with Chris Lindstrom,
who OK, that was my second name as well.
Just 4232. He again, the, I think the
support that he provided for pretty much the right tackle
nonsense that went on in Atlantathis year and then also helping
New Zeal was, was excellent. He is, he has lived it.

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He has lived probably lived up his building and much more for
being what I think the what's 14th, 16th, something like that
overall pick in what, 2019? You know, it's never, it's never
exciting, it's never cool. It's not flashy to go get the
guard in the first round. And man, has he been outstanding
for several seasons now. So we're 2 for two out Kevin

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Dotson who was in that discussion and then I also I
also had Jonah Jackson in that discussion as well, but a little
less so than the rest. And you're my screen is
glitching. Is it my honorable mention?

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Was Patriots right guard Mike onwindow?
Yep. I'm really a nice season too.
I just blanked. Did you did you think Kevin
Dotson was your? Yes, he was.
He was the next guy on the list for me.
Yeah, I I definitely thought about it was kind of a toss up

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between him and Mike and with Mike due to #1 playing about 250
more snaps this year than Kevin and being a better pass blocker.
Yeah, all fair. All right, so we already did
right tackle. So at Edge do you have, do you

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have AI Just went edge because of Yeah, I just pretty much put
obviously ends edge. Yeah, 'cause they're not only
the same body type. So who were, who's your first
team? My first team at both spots,
yeah, let's just, yeah, First team at both spots on the

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defensive line, at at defensive end edge, whatever you want to
call it. I have Miles Garrett and I have
Will Anderson. That's the first 2.
So I had Miles Garrett and Will Anderson were both in my top
three, but I put Michael Parsonsahead of Will Anderson.
It's fair. It was close.
It was a toss up. Not a toss up, but, but close to

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toss up. Yeah.
Miles Garrett was just clear andobvious, like, hey, sack leader,
all time sack leader. You got to do it.
Yeah, I was excited. That stretch of play mid season
was outrageous when he just hit that groove of like, Nope, no
one's no one's going to stop me.And then that that second

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stretch that he hit where he couldn't get the sacks was like,
it made it even more exciting. But also, I was like freaking
out every week. Yeah, it it it was, it was
insane. Yeah.
My the the other guy in my top 4was Jared Verse.

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OK. And then I had honorable mention
Josh Hines Allen and Aiden Hutchinson.
OK, so I have like in the secondteam.
I also have Danielle Hunter in the second team sax score high
quality pressures. I just outrageous season for me.
So both Texans guys made my mademy all pro team and then the two

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others that I had as honorable mentions, Hutch was one of them.
And then yeah, I mean a little bit 1 trick and that's why he
stayed on the honorable mentions.
But Nick Benito still is as difficult as it is to block
because of the speed explosiveness.
So he is still somebody who was definitely worth mentioning

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there. Really quick.
The pass rush snaps per high quality sack, your leaders in
this metric that Brandon Thorne does.
Parsons was one just under 34 snaps per high quality sack.
Garrett is second at 34.2, ChaseYoung 38.6.

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Yeah, yeah, per high quality sack.
And then to Neil Hunter's next. Josh Sweat ended up fifth on
this list, Benito 6th and then Hutchinson 7th.
And I feel like the difference with me is I think, I think
there was like Havoc rate leaders and Brandon Thorne
posted this and I didn't bookmark it because I'm a dummy

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that Anderson was running away with.
I think that's what it was. He was running away with that.
So like you have, you know, the true pass for sure, right?
Everybody's going to run near Hunter's direction, but Will
Anderson's doing both again, just outstanding year.
It is, It is interesting, right?I remember, do you remember any
of that discourse because we were bored during the draft

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cycle of like, is Anderson goingto be more than an 8 SAT guy?
You know, is he is he going to be any more than that?
It's like, OK, because I was like a bit of a Will Anderson
doubter, like just enough that Iwas I was just glad that we
weren't the team sitting there trying to make the decision.
Right, That's fair. That's that he wasn't like a

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slam dunk. Surefire can't miss.
But that like kind of in a way that like, what year was it?
20 in the 21 draft? No, the 22 draft, that's when
you had Trayvon Walker went #1 Walker, Hutch, Tibbs.

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Yeah. And it was kind of like, it was
kind of like Aiden Hutchinson kind of felt like the can't miss
surefire who, like should have gone #1 and like, obviously
hindsight, like everybody knows,obviously he should have gone.
Number one. I was kind of like that year I
was Hutchinson and then Thibodeau and yeah, and like,

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you know, not that I disliked Trayvon, but just he felt more,
he felt more in the like 9 to 12range to me.
Where Lucas Van Nessen, where Sean Geary went of like really
Tracy? And are you going to hit on him
with with that pick? Bulky was looking for Alden, the

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next Alden Smith. That's what he was trying to do
there. It's like I understood what I
understood because it's bulky. I was like, yeah, OK, he's
looking for the big that could move like that and and hope that
you you reach a technical type of ceiling where it was like no
Hutch and in I what I thought Tibbs were like kind of way more

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ready made than than Walker was.But again, that's kind of what
happens with some of this. Like some GMs want the bigs who
are athletic and they want, you know?
Guys, the the coaching staff andand the position coaches to kind
of hey, figure this out. I he has this insane athletic
floor. Let's let's push the ceiling

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with the details type of thing. Well, also every, every NFL team
is like they're and, and every coach really, they like have way
too lofty of a, of an opinion oftheir own developmental skills.
They're like, oh, I can get the most out of them.
Like I, I can capitalize on his potential.
It's like you probably can't like statistically speaking, you

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probably can't. I do think Jake, we should talk
to the chat for a minute here 'cause they are they, they got a
couple conversations going on here. 1 Packer Doug says we're
as strong and healed as we can possibly be without Micah and
Kraft and Wyatt. I'm, I'm gonna say Wyatt, right?

(01:20:59):
Wyatt, we gotta, Wyatt's gotta be on this list.
Let me, Jake, I want you to draft from Micah Wyatt and Kraft
draft the order. If you could get those guys back
from from IR. Let's say, let's say this, let's

(01:21:19):
say that I was giving you three cards and one of them said you
have an 80% chance of getting this player back from IR.
One of them said you have a 40% chance of getting this player
back from IR, and the third saidyou have a 15% chance to get
this player back from IR this week, right.

(01:21:42):
Yeah. Which name do you write on which
card? Wait one more time, one more
time. Sorry, I had to.
So 80 percent, 40% and 15%, those are the, those are the
chances that you'll be able to get these players back from IR
8040 and 15. OK.
And the player. So.
So the players, you're going to write on those?
I assume there's not anybody else you'd want to write on

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there. It's Mike.
A craft from Wyatt. Yeah.
To return this year for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. So.
So what order do you you're telling me I can't put Jordan
Riley on here? How dare you.
How dare you? I mean, Mike is Jordan Riley.
Jordan Riley played admirably for the week and 1/2 that he was
here. He did.
No. That.

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That is true, man. I, I Mike has got to be 80 and
I, I JJI think you might put Wyatt 80 because of the, the
problem that and the the lack ofdepth of defensive tack on.
I think that's totally understandable. 100% I would put
Wyatt on 40. Oh, you would OK, 80 OK, Wyatt

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40. I think simply because when
again, when Mike is on the field, I just I am now JJ
envisioning your your brainchild's coming true of
like, Oh my gosh, LV NS one-on-one.
He can just run guys over because everybody's focused on
on one. And that that to me just we're

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no longer at the point 711 everything's so I'm everything's
which casting about guys elevating.
I'm that's for August and September.
That's like that's not for January.
I know, but I'm just saying, like seeing him against
Baltimore, just it fires the imagination of like, all right,

(01:23:28):
if these two could play for a full season together, you know,
where we we kind of already had the Gary discussion of like,
it's probably going to be a moveon one way or another because
you want you want LVN starting and yeah, I put I put WYD at 40
just because of the the necessity.
Although craft at 15 fuels just simply because of adding him to

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the run game equation might makethings a little bit better.
And then having him tied though that him check down tied to
seven step drop passing will make it that much more
effective. And that's that's tough to
that's tough to trade off that for healthy defensive tackle.
But it's probably necessary. Isn't a little bit weird,

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though, that you can make a verycompelling case for all three of
those guys to be #2 on that list?
Yeah. Even though you and I were
unanimous on the order being Parsons, Wyatt, Craft, you can
make a defensible case for all three of them to be #2 I don't

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think you can make a defensive defensible case for Craft to be
#1 but #2 or #3 maybe maybe if you're like, hey, let's just win
some shootouts, man. I mean, I, I think we need to
shoot out against the ball. Bears is not a bad strategy.
Like they, they have a horrific defense.
Would you rather have just, and I don't trust our offense at all

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right now. No, that's fair.
Would you rather have, so say you were playing Seattle, would
you rather have Kraft in that game or Wyatt in that game?
Like back for one, like definitely craft because right,
because Seattle is so one-dimensional, yeah, they
don't run it that way on offense.

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And then also they can get the ball out so quick.
Like I don't really care about pass rush per SE.
Like not that I don't care at all, but like that's the tricky
bit. The biggest thing is you got to
keep up with them on offense. Yeah, that's the tricky bit
about this NFC because it's like, OK, none of these teams
are like really that complete, right?
Or they. But also like Seattle's the only

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offense that scares you that. Much.
Even though the Rams offense is really good, Seattle's offense
is the only offense that's like,you're going to have to put up
40. To hang with them.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it'sprobably because the Rams run it
so well that they shrink games more and it's more like, OK, you
just have to be, you just have to have more valuable

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possessions. Whereas, you know, Seattle game,
you're kind of maybe again, hoping, right, hope it's
necessarily not not necessarily a strategy, but you're hoping
you might get that extra possession or two because
Donald's going to give you one right, going to give you one or
two chances. Not only though Knicks gave them

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right. Maybe Xavier McKinney can.
Can Xavier McKinney? Or Edrin Cooper?
Or Quay Walker? Can get it done for us, yeah.
Get hands on ball. Hey, maybe Micah can get an
interception for us. McKinney.
Mckinney's having the season that Quay had two years ago.
Two years ago, right? Yeah.
Two years ago. In what way?

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Quay got his hands on so many footballs.
I think it was two years ago, and he just didn't catch any of
them. I think it was 2.
I want to say it was two years ago.
I kind of feel like this was but2020.
This was 2022, I think rookie, because it was, I think it was

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because I, OK, it was one of theyears it was hit that year or
the year after where he got his hands on like 7 or 8 passes.
And I'm thinking of Savage in 22.
It was Savage in 23. It was Quay, I think, OK, I
think it was 23 because I, I vaguely remember that Atlanta
game early in the season where he got his hands on it.
I think maybe. Well, that was 23.
Yeah, I think that. So, yeah, that feels like

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McKinney this year where Mckinney's been in the right
spot so much to make all these plays and just has not come up
with the ball. And that is that is frustrating
because God, he's been he's beenhe's been really good.
And it's it's just because he's not converting the picks that
everybody looks at and goes, oh,he stinks this year.
It's like, not really. No, he's it's the window.

(01:27:49):
You wanted to sure. It feels like he's not making
the same impact on the game as he was a year ago.
Right. And I think that that is for two
reasons. One is he's having to cover up
for so many more mistakes from other players this year.
He's doing so much mop up duty. So there's a lot of time where

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the casual observer is pissed atXavier watching him play because
it's like, oh, there goes a guy streaking down the field.
Oh, and Xavier's chugging after him.
It's like he came screaming fromacross the other side of the
field where he was covering somebody else.
Because Ding Dong over here, like just turned around and just
never even ran with a guy. And so like, hey, McKinney comes

(01:28:33):
in and makes the touchdown saving tackle that matters.
And you're like, well, you know,you you go let him get 22 yards.
It's like, no, Nope, That was Ding Dong over there.
Wasn't Xavier. Yeah, it's it for as good as
Evan Williams has been near the box this season, when he is back

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past 1012 yards, it's there. There have been some shaky
moments and that's the type of thing where it's, yeah,
McKinney, which I'm I'm assumingwe'll get there, but has still
been, again, from an EPA standpoint, of course it's not
going to be it's not going to bemeasured the same because last
year you picked off what, 7 or 8passes?

(01:29:16):
So just now you said I'm sure we'll get there.
What what are you referring to when you said I'm sure we'll get
there? Oh, all pros.
Do you want to do you want to answer a couple more questions
before we hop back on that? Yeah, I, I started this one a
little ways back. Yeah.

(01:29:37):
Is Packer. Doug's asking how do you, how do
you feel about Loveland for the Bears?
I mean, I'll just let you take this one like I'll, I'll, I'll
give him a thumbs up. He's good.
Hey, you take that one air. I I I got a link for you
brother. You followed me on Twitter at J
Gunterville draft. Go to my YouTube Go to the draft
video of them crying on draft day when the Bears took him

(01:29:58):
there was I, I have to put this together 12 straight minutes.
I have to put this together of atragedy in three acts because I
believe the night before I was doing a mock with one of my
buddies in the draft space. What was three act Bears.
The third act is he catches the Packers playoff eliminating
touchdown catch. Not me.

(01:30:19):
That would be, we may have to adjust it.
It was 3 acts. We may have to adjust it.
But it was kind of like, oh, theBears are going to get, you know
what a good offensive player that stinks.
And then it was kind of like, well, the Bears, you know, they
might not take Warren, they could take Loveland.
And that that sinking feeling inmy mind of like, Oh yeah, that
is a possibility, isn't it? And then draft A comes around

(01:30:40):
and they do it. Yeah.
I mean, he's going to be really good.
It's just he's he's their, he's their laporta essentially, with,
again, the potential to be able to be a factor in both parts of
the game, which is such a dangerous thing.

(01:31:01):
I think. I think if you're worried, if
you're worried about anything, it's it's lovely becoming their
Laporta and Luther Burden becoming their Amin Ross St.
Brown at this point. So, yeah, I mean, Drew said
honorable election too old. This says Loveland is what
Musgrave should be. In what world?

(01:31:23):
No, What world? No.
OK, is what? You let me translate this.
OK, let me translate this. We had this discussion.
This is like Micah Parsons is what?
Jonathan Ford. Should be.

(01:31:43):
Sick. I love that to over this says
does. Oh, sorry, you had an Alec
Pierce thing here. Do you have a Pierce thing?
Yeah, I drew put honorable benchand Alec Pierce for receivers,
which I think is a good one. He had a heck of a heck of a
heck of a season. I think I think the Colts should
be moving on from Pitman on in all honesty, to make sure they
have room to keep pierced, whichis, you know, they're going to

(01:32:08):
have to make some tough calls because you know, they've got
they've got a lot on the books now with with sauce and all that
and figuring out what to do withQB.
So yeah, probably going to have to.
All right, two of this does. Do any of our corners have picks
this year? Or is it only our safeties?
I think Nixon does, right? No, he doesn't.

(01:32:30):
Nope. 0 interceptions by cornersthis year.
Sakes, man. Oh, maybe I'm wrong with that.
Hold on. Maybe I'm wrong with that.
Sorry. Yes, Nixon has 1.
Nixon has 10. He picked off the bear game.
Yeah. Duh.
Yep, Yep. That's his one.
That's right. That's the one, folks.
It was an important one. Glad you remember it so well.

(01:32:52):
That's his one. So.
Jeez. You know, we played a lot of
zone this year. I don't know if you noticed.
Did you notice that we played a lot of zone this year?
Yeah. Any guess which of our corners
NFL passer rating allowed in zone coverage in zone coverage

(01:33:16):
in zone 'cause we played a lot of zone this year.
Boy, I've I have a bad. Feeling of what it is.
I hope, I hope I'm wrong. Well wait, what's the minimum
snap count for this? Well, we we barely played any

(01:33:36):
corners this year so it doesn't really matter.
Minimum snap count is 1. Not digs, not digs.
E zone coverage. He actually has the highest NFL
passer rating allowed for. I will tell you.
Is that counting Dallas guy? Is that called Dallas game or is
that counting just his his snapsfor Green Bay 'cause obviously I

(01:33:59):
would never have guessed that ifyou were counting the Dallas
game. That would be, yeah.
I think downs. I assume they got to count
Dallas for that. I my hope is that's Dallas.
Unless he played 283 snaps in that Vikings game.
That's Dallas. Yeah, I think he put, I don't
know how many played thirty, probably 30 something.

(01:34:22):
I don't know how much more coverage tool for this has the
correct answer. It's Kamal Haddon who's the only
corner to have a sub 100 NFL passer rating when targeted and
we have two guys who are over 150.
Wow three guys were over 130. Wow.
Wonder who they are. Is this counting digs?

(01:34:43):
Because if it isn't that's even funnier.
So Keyshawn had one O 9 which iscompared to the rest of the
group, really respectful cooking.
Absolutely. Shamar Bartholomew, who only
just played for US against. The Vikings.
Had a 100 passer rating, one targeted.
Absolute stud. Play him.
Play him in the wild card game. Valentine 133, digs 151.

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Hobbs 150A-150 passerating, 1 targeted in zone.
First snap of the game against the Bears.
Put Digs and Hobbs out there to assert dominance.
Their passive rating can't get worse.

(01:35:30):
It's going to get better againstyou.
Hobbs had a 46 PFF coverage grade in zone this year.
Seems too high. Diggs, I don't want to say
nevermind we're we're neither 28.
We're just going to go back his number.

(01:35:52):
Packer Doug is talking about Beau Melton and said never mind
the 2 balls he tried to catch upwith.
The face mask, yeah. Yes, but Melton is the best eye
up in the league by listing guy at corner.
How many guys did Matt Laforth fall into thinking the guy
wasn't a wide receiver? Yes.
Hey, and then like, this is 16 guy snap Matthew Golden.

(01:36:13):
Basically, yeah. Who's this 16 guy?
Is he a corner? Watch his ball go off face mask.
Oh, yeah, he is. Why is he out there?
Might as well sign Patty PimbletState quarterback.
What? What the heck is Patty Pimblet
State? We need pig.
We need Big Cage playing corner for Adam Huddle says LSU about

(01:36:35):
to clean up in the portal. You know, probably probably be
hilarious if they go 7:00 to 5:00 to get Jace Brown and Damon
Williams. I, I, I can't believe that
there's players who want to go play for Lane Kiffin.
His former team is in the playoffs.
Yeah, 1, two playoff games and more of their coaching staff is

(01:36:57):
still jumping a ship. They they, they were going
there. They've been going back and
forth. That is wild.
What's going on? And they're in the final four.
I just, I can't Georgia, Georgia, you lost a team that
the coaching staff is travellingbetween LSU and Elvis and

(01:37:17):
preparing and they beat you. What are you doing?
I, I was very pleased to see Indiana mop the floor with Bama
because as I said all year, impressive stuff, man.
Bama was awful. Bama was horrible this year.
I thought it was really gross. You know, Jake, that I hate the

(01:37:39):
selection selection committee. We do.
And I thought it was really gross that we let the media
badger us again into charity cases, Alabama and Oklahoma.
Oklahoma was only in the playoffs because they had beaten
Alabama in the regular season. Bama got in the playoffs because
they had a good loss to Oklahoma.

(01:38:01):
Now you can say that Notre Dame didn't deserve to be in.
That's fine. I'm actually not going to stick
up for Notre Dame. But BYU sure as heck deserved to
be in. Bama was a charity case.
Oklahoma was a charity case. Listen, you can't I I simply
can't put BYU in the playoff. Their quarterback wears 47.

(01:38:24):
That's an automatic out. We can't be doing that stuff
aesthetically. So we're subjected to more
Alabama. In the playoffs.
I I can't do the BYU thing. I cannot do the BYU.
Did you see somebody said that this is reverse.
Should have been in. There's no question this is the
first they should have a year since Jake, did you see this is

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the first year since the invention of the College
Football Playoffs that we've hada semi final without either
Alabama or Ohio State? Yeah.
I mean, I believe that it's that's I mean those two have
been they've been everywhere, man.

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They they have that which is great.
That's great news. Like there is more.
I know it's not fun for you. Absolutely.
You want you want Ohio State in there.
Who wouldn't right as a fan of that team?
But it is really interesting. I love it all the all the
changes these last few years have been great and I love it.
Everybody's on even playing field.
I'll coach them. I'll coach teams now see how it

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goes. And Cignetti says I will.
In fact, I'll coach you also. I would like to point, I would
like to put this out there. I made the joke on Twitter that
the Miami Notre Dame debate shouldn't have been a debate.
They both, but it we kicked Texas A&M out.
Maybe we should have. I don't know.
We probably kicked Texas A&M out, but probably Bama.

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Texas A&M deserved to be in overBama in Oklahoma.
This is true Bama. But it was way more fun.
It was way more fun to try and get the attention of the the
12th fan down there. And I'm saying they should have
been. Because they're one game against
the top eight team in the standings, they lost.
So yeah, I just, it's because ofthe schedule.

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They lost the two teams who theyneeded to probably win and
needed to probably beat. I mean.
And so as somebody who likes butNotre Dame fine with Notre Dame
not getting in and then Notre Dame once they didn't get in,
made themselves even more unlikeable than before, which
is, yeah, they should have done that two over.

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This says Beau did legitimately look good at corner and camp.
Disagree. Nobody looked good at corner and
camp. The clips that you would see in
camp of Hobbes or Beau or Keyshawn looking good in camp
were were against bad corners. I mean, get bad, bad receivers

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at no point this summer, Jake, at any point this summer, yes,
other than when Nate Hobbs took a baseball bat to Marshawn Lynch
and and Tonya Harding. His knee should have played
linebacker. Other than that, when I was
like, hey, maybe Hobbs is just going to toughness our way to

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having good corners. Was there any other point where
I cast any vote of confidence for this cornerback room?
No, in the year 2025, no. Follow up question was I should
have. We should have known Hobbs based
on that. We should have known that Hobbs,

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once he did that, he should havebeen transitioning to the safety
in linebacker room. To be honest, can't hate on it.
It's a thought. Next year, it's a thought.
Oh, Packer, Doug was saying there was a actually I wouldn't
hate him at linebacker because it kind of leans into the only
stuff he can do. Well, yeah.

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Didn't Mcgahee do this a longer time ago then maybe what Doug is
thinking of here? I know Mcgahee had a bunch of
knee injuries at Miami, but maybe that's that's too long
ago, which is just a terrifying thought.

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ChatGPT says the player is Mcgate.
So Mcgahee had high school and college ACL tears.

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OK. In three separate years, Thomas
Davis senior oh wasn't didn't play for EU, but he tore the
same ACL three times. Frank Gore in 2002 and 2003 tore

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both of his AC LS both ears. That might be.
That's probably who you're thinking of.
Probably. Although it'd be a little bit
funny to call Frank Gore a kid from EU.
I'll just say yeah. Given what he's known for today,
which is being the oldest, longest tenured NFL running

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back, I mean, how many seasons did he play a lot?
2121 NFL seasons, 21 something like that was 9 + 10.
Packer Doug says. Packer Doug says it was Mcgage.
You know that that one would have done numbers today on

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TikTok, Sam. Yeah, I'm just flipping it
because usually if there's a short TikTok, people go.
This would have done numbers on Vine.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it we'll we'll get to the
college stuff. I know we've been bouncing
around. That's.
So what else do we have? Start here.

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Did we get them all deep defensive tackle this one.
Hold on, This is the one Drew says Drew is in here.
Speaking of Drew, since I missedhis Venmo last week, let's see
if I got Venmo today. There is a Venmo.
Oh. Chris.
Oh, Chris, I'm sorry, this is 50minutes ago.
I need to find a way to make my Venmo notifications pop up on my

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computer. Just.
I'm looking at my screen the whole time.
Is Chris still in here? There you go.
Yeah, he is. Yes.
Oh, no, Drew. Oh, there's Chris.
Chris. Andrew are still here.
Yes. OK.
Chris got a $5 dono from Chris since y'all never read my chats
anymore. Listen, just don't put profanity

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or. Profanity.
Just other comments that we can't read and we'll read your
comments but you put some stuff in your chats that we can't read
out loud. This is a family show.
You have to understand this. This is a family show.
Since y'all never read my chats anymore.
I did see your comment about this but Jake was on a rant.
Gary has the same affliction as Eddie.
China food and he has five Chinese food emojis.

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Signed Chris. The casual and PFF is biased so
who cares? That's funny.
Who is PFF bias towards tell me that I I do wanna know Jake, do
you think that Rashan Gary looksfat?
I think he looks slow. I think I think he's the right
wits on a lot of plays, but I don't think he looks fat.

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It seems like it's there's there's some technique problems
like he's when he does run, which is not often, he does this
really long stride. He's just not going to get you
anywhere. And I I think it's it's, it's
sometimes when you watch the effort plays, you go, yeah, I
don't even if he was chasing him, I don't think.

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I'm not sure what changes the play.
He just doesn't look fast enough.
The quick fast. All that just feels like the
explosiveness was sapped after the knee injury.
And yeah, obviously as somebody who just feels like he is trying
to win with more speed than he has power and really has always
been for the most part doing that.
It it's it's it's a tough combination of like if you're if

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you're sapped the explosiveness and you're still trying to win
with mostly speed stuff and not using all of the frame and and
mass that you've been given to play the sport and and turn that
into being a powerful player like Van Ness is doing.
Yeah. It's just that is just not going
to fly. And it's to to the point where

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it's it looks better when Kingsley's playing when Kings
when it when Van Ness is healthy, he shouldn't be out
there really, right. It's it it Kingsley and LVN
right are are kind of with with Mike out.
Are you probably your your base ends at this point, right with
it. And obviously Gary got benched
against the Bears. Yeah.
And it's I, I don't trust Gary to be able to push the pocket at

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all, right? And then he's not going to be
able to chase on Caleb. Like Caleb is too elusive for
most people. And for somebody who just
doesn't seem like he has any change of direction or anything
like that, it's just it's not going to be, it's not going to
be fruitful to have him hunting quarterbacks out there,
especially guys like Caleb Williams.
So, yeah, I mean, and you know, guys, you might even, you know,

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if you happen to play him, whichI don't, the the odds are very
low if you happen to play a Brock Purdy, right?
If you happen to play even a Jalen Hurts, right.
It's just kind of like, do you trust him to be able to kind of
run any of these guys down? Yeah.
It just doesn't, this doesn't feel like it anymore.
And yeah, it's it's just stinks.Chris says PFF is biased.

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You still got to tell me who they're biased towards.
We need Oliver on Caleb's right hand side.
Saturday night again. I did you watch the Vikings
game? I I swear I will sit down at
some point and and watch the tape.
Honestly, you should just watch.Yeah, and Colin Oliver and
Jordan Morgan, left tackle. Is there anybody else that's?

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A big watch. Maybe just to know there's no
reason to I'll, I'll, I'll, I'lllearn something about digs in
the playoff. That's it.
Arc King, how many snaps you said?
Oh, Daniel Weed the king? No, Oladapa played 66 snaps.
Yeah, I'll watch that. Might be worth a peek.

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I'll watch that. That's a good question.
Just to see, let's see what PFF says about Oladapa.
So on defense, highest graded defensive player Trayvon Diggs,
then Isaiah Mcduffie and Javon Bullard, and then free safety
Jonathan Baldwin and Sorel. The last like north of average
grade would be Baron Sorel. We had two pressures, including

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a sack and a hurry. Everybody else was below
average. Ketano Ladapo had a higher grade
than Keyshawn Nixon. Not really surprising.
Was. Poor in coverage.
Average in tackling. Keyshawn Nixon had a good

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tackling grade. Love that for him.
Evan Williams Poor in coverage, average in run defense, good in
tackling, actually second best tackler on the team behind
Jonathan Baldwin. Nazir Stackhouse got out there
for 45 snaps, was atrocious according to PFF and he had two

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missed tackles. Tyron Hopper stinker of a Game.
2 missed tackles, 30 run defensegrade.
Warren Brinson played 47 snaps. Was low average across the
board. Colby Wooden didn't really play.

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Brenton Cox 44 snaps. Really bad in run defense,
really good in pass rush tackling.
That tracks with what we kind ofthink.
Brenton Cox is our guy. JDJ, Jamon, Dumas, Johnson, 67
snaps. We take those run defense,

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highest graded run defender on the team for the game.
Decent tackler, huge liability in coverage.
You know what, if there was a spot I was not expecting him to
be ready, it would have been would have been coverage, right?
We'll see exactly 2 stops against the run, 2 stops.
Same with Oladapa, actually. He also had a pressure.

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So Realm might be really fun to watch.
Yeah, hacker Doug says Oladapa also played most or all special.
Teams. Let's check special teams, OK?
Four guys had good grades on A special teams.
Shamar Bartholomew 11 snaps 80. PFF grade Titan Beau Melton and

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Brenton Cox both played nine snaps.
They had a 73 at a 72. JDJ 14 snaps 71.
We're all that on that train. Up next, very average grade,
Catan Oladapo, 22 snaps 62.3 grade.
You'll take that. You'll take that for sure.

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Daniel Whelan, 70 punting grade.Thanks.
PFF. Who Jake, are you?
Are you looking at PFF special teams grades right now?
I am. OK.
Well, then I can't I can't have you play a guessing game unless
you want to close your eyes and and I didn't really look at much
other than the first four, so I don't know.
OK, so close your eyes. I'm not looking at it.

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I'm looking right. Who is looking right at you?
I'm looking right at you. Who was make your prediction?
Who was the lowest graded playeron special teams?
Who plays who plays special teams a lot?
Do they have a lot of snaps? This guy would have been out
there for 100% of snaps. He was eligible to play, but he

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would only be he would not be playing for all of them Hobbs,
Hobbs. There's no reason the Hobbs
couldn't play every single 100. This guy can't play them all
right unless you're just going to like while they put him out

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of. Position.
I guess Hobbes is too small to block for kicks and we did
attempt to 112 little. Kick.
Oh, no. Is that our favorite player?
Oh, yeah. Oh, man.
Matt Ostrich. Oh, it is.
Yeah. Who are you?

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Who are you thinking? It was?
I was. I was thinking it was.
It was Musgrave. No, no.
Matt Ostrich. Musgrave.
Here's the thing from Musgrave got any from basically like 5
through 29. There's like not a gap at all.
And then 30 through 34, which isthe full A group at T11.

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Yeah, a group at T11. Now that's the thing though, is
that if I want the guys, they only play one set.
That's the that's the field goal.
Sixty grade. That's the field goal.
Yeah, right there. For sure it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody got through.
So they're like, all right, well, respect.

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And then Vanos was out there for. 2.
Snaps. How was he out there for two
snaps? Cuz wouldn't we have needed oh
cuz, cuz the field goal must have been the end of the game.
We no, the field goal must have been the end of the game.
There must not have been the kickoff after it.
There must not have been for anybody who watched.
Was the was the field goal the last play of the game?

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I can't think of how other how else he would only amount there
for two snaps because he had to kick off for one of the halves
and then he had the unless somebody else did the Yeah,
there's only no, there's only one.
There's only one snap for kick coverage for the whole team.
So Joe says yes, it was the final play of the game.
Wow. So we were that close to almost
getting blanked. Good grief.

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I was. I watched red Zone briefly near
the end to check Falcon Saints, found out the Jags were
dominating, and I saw the Packers were like in the red
zone and I thought they were going to let the clock roll out.
It seemed like it turns out getting blanked is something

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that even coaches who don't carekind of care about.
Yeah, don't want that goose egg up there.
Joe says a lot of gamblers are pissed off and one in the game
reviewed because of the field goal blew point.
But but what is there to review really?
Was it questionable about like the clock?
What's what's reviewable? About the field goal.

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I got it at 12 1/2, so it shouldn't have burned it.
I just don't know what you couldreview.
I saw it at 12. I saw it at 12 1/2.
So unless unless it was like live betting stuff maybe, but
here's a comment that I started from Drew earlier question.

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He said what secret chess moves does happily have against the
bears. So the bears were closed at 13
1/2. I see.
OK, probably when they the bearsare a good Oh, you took my
camera off screen. Sorry, who was that?
The Bears are a good. Offense.
And an atrocious defense. What Secret Chess Moves does

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happily have against the Bears? I'm going to say it would have
to be scheming up some pressure up the middle.
It would probably have to be a linebacker.
Or maybe it's Colin Oliver. I was thinking about that or the

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other thing would be like reallytrying to mix up and, and your
coverages and try and confuse Caleb with your coverages
because if you just drop back and play, you're going to get
shredded. Our corners are are just that

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bad. So really trying to mix up your
your coverages and do a lot of post snap misdirection.
That's what you'd have to do. You know, coffee house splits,
etcetera. That's the kind of thing you'd
have to do. Edge Cooper coffee house split

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sounds nice to me. I don't envy halfly the fact
that, number one, he's got a really depleted roster to work
with and #2 he has a quarterbackwho wants chaos, he wants broken
place. He doesn't want and can't just

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sit back in the pocket and deliver against a good
secondary. We also don't have a good
secondary. That's the problem, right?
If, if it felt like this secondary was one that you could
mix up coverages, right? You could, you could put some
quarter, quarter, half in there with the quarters with three
with two, right. However, you wanted to to kind

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of layer that on top of each other into, into matching what
they're trying to do offensively.
But do you trust the corners to know the principles of what
that's what what that coverage entails to handle their
assignments? I don't know.
I'm not sure I do. And if the and if the

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linebackers were better in coverage on top of it, it just
feels like, yeah, right now it'sjust it's not a unit that's
going to be good in coverage Andthat.
And the problem is, is if you you wish you could do what
Dallas did to Jalen Hurts in theopener, right?
Of like, yeah, no, no explosive passing offense, we're going to

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make you dink and dunk the ball all the way down the field,
right? And it would be great if they if
Green Bay could do that. It felt like that was what Green
Bay was the Green Bay's yak overexpectation and and yards after
catch per, you know, per reception to start this season
was so, so good because everybody's rally to the
football. It was, you know, hey, who's

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getting their first type of thing and they were wrapping up.
They were tremendously good at at tackling and and doing all
that. But it just feels like as the as
the unit has lost key players. It just doesn't.
I don't know if there are still some guys, as we mentioned after
the Baltimore game that are playing with with still with
that fire, right. But it just doesn't seem like

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the unit as a whole is playing with that same level as as they
have been. And that's that's a concern
against guys like Birdie giving up on the season.
It's it's so obvious and it's it's really it's it's it's not a
good time to be doing this when players like Burden are going to
be on the field on on Saturday night, right, like he will the

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the whole thing with Burden it was he's just not a fully
refined route tree player at this point.
Like he has all the deep crow route stop stuff because he's so
good at decelerating, re accelerating all that.
But but the the deal with Burdenexplosive in the straight line
and then when he has the football, you have you had

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better, you had better be ready because he's so dynamic and.
If the unit was playing like they did at the beginning of the
year, even in both Lions games where it felt like Jameer Gibbs
is not doing anything, we're notletting him do anything.
And they backed it up both times.

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It just doesn't feel like they they still have that level of,
you know, rallying to the football stop the shortstop
prevent yards after the catch. It just doesn't seem like they
have quite that. And and also right we've we've
seen what Ben Johnson wants to do.
They want to run right. They they have no problem making
Caleb throw it 16 * 17 times in this game.

(02:00:57):
And watching Derrick Henry RIP this team apart is just not a
great sign for Saturday night. Yeah, like with Drew saying how
do you prevent running backs from carrying our guys after
contact for three yards by having better players.
All right, that sound good? Because this is what this is.

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What we were ranting and screaming about in May was that
we weren't going out and gettingany other defensive tackles who
can. Play.
You guys are small, You guys arenot good.
You need better players. Stop tackling up high.
Stop letting scrums happen. Drop to the ground.

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It's not going to be an obvious trip.
As long as you don't trip by legwhipping, nobody's going to call
it the nicest. The air corners, you know trying
to tackle low. It would be or twas to see
Valentine try and tackle it all instead of trying to go for the
interception like Derek Henry just with E stiff arm and

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Carrington. Valentine will be one of the
pictures that it is unfortunately stuck in my head
from this season, no question about it.
Greg asks, has Matt lost the team?
I don't think so. I think if he had lost the team,
I mean, like, it's a freaking 4 game losing streak, so there's

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that. But if he had lost the team, I
don't think Ed Policy would be out here talking about like, oh,
I'm so proud of the way that Matt has led the team through
adversity like like that. You say that when the players
are still believing. Yeah.
Does does it feel like, because I think this is a big point,

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does the offense feel like it's lost faith?
No, not at all. When the offense has 10, they
they haven't lost faith at all, 87.9 right or two.
And it's just like the offense is fine.
They have not lost faith at all.They believe they are extremely

(02:03:08):
confident in their abilities andthey should be at this point.
It's just the defense doesn't have that same swagger that it
that it had early in the season when 95 and one were out there
carrying pretty much carrying the coverage unit by, you know,

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dominating a front. And then again, when those two
are out there, it, you know, we,we talk about Parson's absence
all the time and, and we've talked a lot about Wyatt's, but
it just it does feel like when those two are out there, the
linebackers want it more becausethey know they're going to get
opportunities. Bullard and Williams want it
more because they know, hey, this this rush unit is going to

(02:03:54):
make them check this down. We're going to go make sure they
get nothing. And so that it just doesn't seem
like the same level of intensities there on the
defense. I don't think he's lost the team
at all. The offense should be as
confident as it could possibly be without 85 out there.
But it's just again, it's just, you know, it's not an excuse.

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Of course it's it's still a wideopen playoffs, right?
And San Francisco's, you know, done a, a, a great job as well
with losing guys this year. But at some point you watched
it. If you want again with Green
Bay, you could say it, but also you watched it set last
Saturday, right? They just don't.

(02:04:37):
San Francisco doesn't have the horses anymore to be able to
overcome all of it. Like they just they can't
overcome losing players like that.
And if if Pierce all's been in and out, Kittle's been in and
out, Purdy's missed games. Like they're just they at some
point, like you can, you can score 42 on Chicago because

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Chicago's defense is awful. And so you make them look awful.
And and I trust Shanahan againstthat defense any day of the
week, right? But a lot of coaches against
this this week for San Francisco, they're nowhere near
as healthy as this other desert team across from them.
And unfortunately, it's probablygoing to rear its ugly head and
probably I don't if I won't leave at the Niners getting on

(02:05:22):
the head. If Green Bay gets past Chicago,
you look next week and you go, Imean, they're going to go to
Seattle to win. No, they're far too undermanned
for that, right? And so that's the thing with
those two teams right now is it's just kind of like, OK, it

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would be really, really nice forthis team headed into 2026
knowing they they clipped Chicago this week.
That's the positive. You, you win this game.
I'm not concerned. I'm not concerned about anything
else. There's nothing else out there
for there isn't for this team this year.

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This is the one you want to finish the right way.
This is the right way. Like people put around like this
is your Super Bowl as an insult,which is always a stupid thing
to say. It is.
But like, this is our version ofthe Super Bowl because we're not
going to the Super Bowl. No, but knocking the Bears out
of the playoffs and ensuring that they don't have a nice run
to be proud of and that they getbounced in the first round, one

(02:06:26):
and done. And then at that point, people
are actually going to start examining their lousy schedule
that they had all year and go, yeah, they actually didn't have
a single quality win the entire year.
Yeah, they're, yeah, their pointdifferential was dog.
Water all year. Yeah, they were atrocious on
defense. Yeah, you know, yeah, Caleb

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actually wasn't that good this year.
This is this is what we have left to play for.
It is this is Hacker. What's going to matter?
Chris N says 10 is like how 9 calls himself 9.
Disagree. Because Jordan doesn't call
himself 10. We do, and he doesn't pretend to
have an alter ego. Yeah, Jake as a commentator is

(02:07:09):
calling him 10 the same way people called Rogers 12.
Right. So I disagree about that.
Yeah, but certainly McCarthy calling him.
See, Because. Yeah, exactly.
McCarthy calls himself that. He's a weirdo.
He's a weirdo, OK, He is a weirdo.
So that was where you put the M on the hell man.
So happens when the M goes on. I don't know why they they weird

(02:07:34):
up there. M for mid they don't have they
don't actually have that. I know what the M is for.
I'll put it in the private. Chat.
They don't actually have an M onthere.
Shout out Shrum more. OK, Anyway, Greg says Matt needs

(02:07:55):
to dial this offense up like he's trying to get Jordan an
MVP, which is more passing opportunities.
Look, we saw what, 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, two weeks ago, Matt
completely abandoned the run because it wasn't working.
I he knows he understands the problem.
Yeah. Having said that, this is you

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do. You do.
First of all, you can run on Chicago.
Second, yeah, you do need to attempt to establish the run
because that does benefit the passing game.
There's a lot of stuff that you can no longer do in the passing
game when you have completely. Abandoned the run.

(02:08:40):
Having said that, if the run is non functional, I'm OK with
abandoning the run again becausedrop back and pass can work
against this defense. Now if they just drop back and
pass a lot, I think Jordan is throwing.
One or two picks. So I'd like to keep the run in

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there. We don't have to be run first.
We can be passed first. Yeah, but you need to keep the
defense honest. You really need to the the
important caveat is being under center as much as possible and
absolutely simply simply becauseyou are in the game.
Yeah, simply because you are under center.

(02:09:23):
The defense, everything changes for this for the for the
defensive line especially like all right there there has to be
they they can't simply commit totheir rush immediately when
you're under center because if you get got you're getting
gashed in a gap that you should be in for who knows how many
yards right. So they'll they'll being under

(02:09:44):
center is going to be important no matter what you saw with
Willis in the Chicago game when love went out like they stayed
under center. Willis was Willis was able to
hit, you know, the those intermediate plays off of play
action because that threat was still there and Chicago had to
at least respect it. This is how the the Eagles and
the Chiefs and to an extent the Bengals get into trouble because

(02:10:05):
they don't want to be under center.
Andy Reid does not want to be under center.
He has created the the RPO game and everything as as a function
of the run game and he doesn't want to be under center.
That cost the Chiefs dearly thisyear not being able to run and
especially not being able to runwhen they're in the gun.
The Bengals have dealt with thatfor years and why they've been
one-dimensional passing offense.Philly's in the same boat.

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Philly's been gun run because they want the zone read and they
want to work off of that. That is not that has been less
effective as we have gone on here because of of what changes
when the QB gets under center. So that's going to be important.
I agree. If they're dropped back out of
in the gun, which I, I know Jordan's comfortable there and
that's really, really good to see right when they're getting

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into empty and doing all that, that's awesome that that love is
comfortable there. But also the bear.
Everything changes on the calculus of the of how the bears
are going to play you when you're in the gun simply because
they they know what this offensedoes. 99% of the time they're in
the gun, they don't know becauseof Lafleur's kind of, you know,
stubbornness that's actually going to work to their advantage

(02:11:11):
staying under center because Lafleur has been so Dang
stubborn running the football from under center this year just
because he's been stubborn. They have to respect that.
Yeah. And so that's what's going to be
important in this is they can. And.
And as we mentioned, you can still run on Chicago.
It is not impossible to do. Their defensive line is a

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massive weakness. They and I think probably
correctly because it's going to benefit them year to year long
term, right? Because defense is so, so, so
volatile year to year, right? What did Chicago do in the
draft? They said, well, OK, we're going
to go get playmakers for Caleb, right?
We're going to rebuild this. We got some old guys like DJ
Moore we might need to push out,right?
We'll see about Comet. We might just want him to be a

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blocker, right? Let's go get Loveland.
Let's go get burden, right? Let's put these pieces into the
passing and let's try to addresstackle, right?
We'll we'll take care of this offensive stuff because we
believe as a structure down the road, this is stuff that's going
to be good year to year. OK, Well, you didn't pick any
defensive players and that's that's going to cost you
probably this season. And again, they're not thinking
solely about this season, but obviously, you know, they got

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here. They want to win the game, but
that's going to benefit Green Bay as well because again,
they're under manned, right? The the Niners pretty much do
whatever they want, right Prettythrough the pick six.
They still drop 42. So and I and I don't think it's
going to necessarily just because of the, I think the way
and, and how Ben Johnson understands how these first two
games have gone. It's not going to be 4238.

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This game will not be that this will be possession maximization,
right? In this game is they're going to
run a bunch, right? They they shorten the game
against Philly. They did the right thing there.
Philly couldn't stop them, right?
They've shortened the game against, you know, Green Bay
plenty, right? They especially in the

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especially the one in Lambeau, right, they pretty much were
like Green Bay was pretty much in a position of they need to
keep this this moving, this possession we got to get in the
end zone here. This possession we got to get in
the end zone here. So it's yeah, I don't think
we're going to get to that trackmeet stuff that we've seen.
And so being under center is going to be important.
Hey, Josh Jacobs is one of the biggest plays of the game in

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their first meeting, right? That toss play, right, drop,
kind of drop the weight a littlebit, drop the shoulders, right,
reduce that surface area and andforce them to tackle you in open
space and they didn't do it. And so, you know, you can say
what you want. Yes, the run game isn't as good
this year as it was last year. That that's absolutely a fact,
right? The passing game still been

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very, very good. But if you become
one-dimensional, right, teams are going to be all over it.
Look at the chiefs. You know, you want a college
football example. Look at Alabama.
It's a great example of what happens when you become
one-dimensional, right? Seattle, they're not great
running the football this year. They haven't been.
Doesn't matter. They still do it.
They understand why you must do it, right?

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So that that's just how it's going to be like.
They have to you, you have to present, you know, a, a offense
where we can do this and this and this.
And it's not just, you know, Philadelphia Eagles pay 6, say
11-GO win, right? We throw the football right?

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That type of thing. You don't like that, right?
Or, or hey, T Higgins, Jamar Chase, go win or hey, Kelsey,
please get open a route and improvise for me and win, right?
Just isn't what it is. You got to be you.
You have to have ideally, right.Green Bay's pretty much because
of the the injuries of of kind of they can't really get into

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heavy personnel too much. They can, they can get, they can
get into kind of a pseudo 12/11 and 1/2 with Watson, right,
because he's a good blocker. But you know, they, they can
still present complexity before the snap.
And I think that's going to be. Illusion of complexity.

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Right, our guy Greg Seattle passes out of 12, right that
type of stuff like so it just having that is important.
Our guy Greg, who you were responding to, had a couple
other thoughts he wanted to add.Guys, this run game isn't
running us to a championship. It's 10 Chef love.
Let him cook all the way to a Super Bowl is my point.

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Not just Chicago game, Jordan and this passing game.
We can win a championship if Matt calls place to win his
quarterback and MVP if you understand.
I get the point you're making about the pass game being miles
better. League is better than the run
game. Clearly factual, but a couple

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things are true at once here. 1 defense wins championships.
We're going to go up against equally good or better passing
attacks in the playoffs on teamsthat also have offensive lines
now, by the way, like Seattle and their offensive line,

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probably. There's probably tougher
matchups for us at offensive line in the NFC than them, sure,
but they can be gotten sometimes.
But I, I just don't know that wehave I, we not that I don't know
we don't have the defense to keep up with a team like
Seattle. Second, as Jake said on his long

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rant 50 different ways, yes, thepass game is much better than
the run game, but also running situationally at the right
times, at the right frequency, in the right ways with a purpose
makes the pass game better than if you just drop back and pass.

(02:16:57):
I understand what you're saying,especially after watching the
Malik Willis game, for sure whenthey completely gave up on the
on the run and just drop back and pass, pass, pass, pass,
pass. It was really effective.
And you watch that and you go, well, Jordan's a better
quarterback than Malik. Yeah, he is that work even
better with Jordan than it did with Malik.

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We could. I think that Malik's running
ability forces the defense to account for him a little bit in
that capacity in a way that, youknow, Jordan doesn't strike this
quite the same fear as a runner,but running with a purpose.

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Running with a purpose absolutely sets your pass attack
up to have more ways it can attack.
You have more ways it can surprise you just just have a
have a much bigger bag of tools to pull from so that instead of
here, here's a pass game with 15different passes we can do, No,

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here's a pass game with 35 different passes we can do.
Yeah. Right and that's the whole thing
right. There's a really, really good a
YouTube video about this game theory about how passing is so
good. So why do teams run right?
Because objectively EPA per play, right, all that passing is

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more valuable, right? It is.
And because of that right, thinkabout think about it.
What are defenses going to want to defend?
Because we're valuable passing, right?
So then the whole idea of the game theory comes up here and,
and threading that needle is extremely important.

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I, I, Seattle, I think is a really, really good example of
this. Because, and, and again,
potentially if we're here next Tuesday previewing a game, we're
going to talk about this more, but Seattle defends the run in
nickel pretty well. They sit in nickel no matter
what you're doing, essentially because they have Nickim and

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Warri playing nickel or Devon Devon Witherspoon playing
nickel, right? They have two guys who can do
that that who can sit in that kind of role and defend the run.
Where has Seattle struggled defensively the most this
season, LA Tampa Bay? What do both of those offenses
do when they're humming Tampa Bay play?

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Action. Play action under center.
Run with multiple backs to keep them fresh.
LA Rams, they can pass out of 13, they can run it off 13, they
can run in 11 because they have puka.
All of that works beautifully. The Rams are built to beat
Seattle because they could run it so well.

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And Seattle being hard headed and understanding that the pass
is so important to defend, want to be able to do it in nickel in
in nickel. And Mike McDonald wants Evan
worried to be. I would say not quite Kyle
Hamilton, but more of, again, a big nickel who can essentially
be a linebacker and is athletic enough to cover.

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And, you know, so, so that wholething of like, OK, we know
what's more valuable. We're defending it.
The Rams pretty much both of their games, especially the one
unfortunately the Rams lost. We're like, OK, fine, you're
going to sit in that all game. We'll run.
And they ran it down the field so well.

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And obviously, again, Pook had 225 S.
Yes, they did throw, but becausethey ran it so well, right,
Seattle had to start going OK, do we need to creep bodies into
the box now because they keep running so well.
So now what are you sacrificing when you put an extra round of
the box? Now the explosive passing game
can be can be brought out. So it's this whole chess game
of, of understanding moves and counter moves and, and being

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able to do both is important. If the defense knows you must
pass to be successful, what are they going to do?
They're going to defend the pass, right?
That is, that is the that's the easiest discussion point of like
why even Green Bay as a bad running team and even Seattle as
a below average run team must still commit to it.

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Because you have to present somelevel of of a question, some
level of doubt in the minds of your opponent of what are we
going to do on this play? What are we going to do on the
next one? That's that's the reason why the

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let Jordan cook, yes, absolutely.
But do it by also having threatselsewhere not being 1
dimensional. So there you go.
Think the one that pin here was Zach.

(02:22:04):
Tom back bolsters the run. Agree very much agree.
Run game, maybe not accidentally, has died since
he's been gone. Yeah.
It's true. And then Chris says Witherspoon
is a cold ass man. Oh no, a cold ass man.
OK, OK yeah he is ill baby. But yeah it's as simple as that.

(02:22:31):
I think that's why you have to do it and that's why they will
do it and continue to. Do you guys in the chat have any
other Packers questions you'd like to tackle?
Cuz I I think at this point, cuzwe do have some more all pro
stuff we can get to. I felt like the chat was not
super interested in the all pro stuff.

(02:22:52):
So like give us some feedback ifyou want us to continue the All
Pro cuz like if you guys are notinto it, Jake and I could finish
it like after the stream with each other.
But just let me let us know as you're watching, what do you
think about continuing the All Pro stuff?
And if you have other hackers questions you wanted to ask or.

(02:23:12):
You can. You can.
Derail us with nonsense. Too.
We like that too. Chris says Hopper needs to add
some serious strength and a little weight.
He got boned by 9. He's kind of a big boy already,
isn't he? I've always just thought that
Hopper's technique was usually lacking.

(02:23:35):
I don't know, JK. Any thoughts about I?
I think, yeah. I think Hopper got away with
winning because he was a little more physically overwhelming and
quicker, more explosive than players lined across from him a
lot in college. So the technique and all that
didn't matter as much. And now it is because you're
jumping up to to the NFL. Yeah.

(02:23:57):
So that that is something where you still watch it and you go,
yeah, that that needs to developand get better.
Not saying it can't get there eventually, but you know, that's
formed by Jason McCarthy is a hard way to go.
It is. It's not ideal.

(02:24:17):
You don't want that. Nobody wants that.
Did you want this one? What happened to Ibuka?
Yeah, this was a good question by too old for this.
What happened to Ibuka this year?
Cuz I know we were talking aboutreceivers earlier.
I watched a lot of Tampa early on in the season and I actually

(02:24:40):
started kind of tuning out of Tampa just coincidentally kind
of around the same time they started to really struggle and
then like just limp through the back end of the season.
So I was not really there to watch some of their major
struggles. It's it's been weird with Ibuka

(02:25:01):
because it feels like when, wheneverything started to collapse
with Tampa Bay, like literally everything start like everything
was, was falling apart and it, it made sense.
Tampa Bay early season. I I, I may have brought this up
on here, one of the shows or at the very least on Twitter where
it was like they're either they're DVOA.

(02:25:23):
Yeah, I think it was their DVOA.It was like worst DVOA of like 5
and two teams or six win teams through eight weeks of the
season or something like that. And they were very much on par
with with 2022 Minnesota. If you remember that team, they
won the North, but subsequently all of the hey, we won these
games close. Were we that much better than

(02:25:43):
our opponents all year? Caught up to them and Daniel
Jones and the Giants clipped them in the wild card round.
And so it was like, OK, how, howlong is this going to be
sustainable for Tampa this season?
A couple things with Tampa. Baker has been not good.
I don't know if he's hurt and that's playing into it and he's
playing through an injury, whichmaybe again could be like that
Last year in Cleveland to Bucky Irving, yards yards after

(02:26:07):
contact per attempt. Bucky Irving was outstanding in
year 1. He has been, I think last of
qualifying running backs this year in that that's not good.
Run game hasn't been as good this year, which again, we've
already talked about why that matters. 2 Ibuka's been dropping
passes in the second-half that he really shouldn't be dropping,
which is a really strange thing of like that's how it feels.
Like all of it is just kind of crumbling and like nobody is

(02:26:31):
nobody is safe from from the structure crumbling all year.
And so that's been weird as well.
So the Ibuka fall off just kind of feels like again, partly on
him for dropping passes he shouldn't.
But then the offense as a whole just feel it.
It's it's been discombobulated for for quite some time now.
So I I wouldn't be too worried about Ibuka long term.

(02:26:52):
But yeah, it just feels like youpulled one of the cards out and
the house is just and, and a lotof it could be just, again,
injury related units not performing, right.
They've they've gone different offensive coordinator
essentially every year, the lastfew.
And that might have caught up tohim, right?

(02:27:14):
It's very possible the Grizz isn't as good as Cohen or as
good as Canalis, right? And that's, that could be part
of it as well. Just feels like the entire
operation just kind of crumbled a little bit.
And yeah, if we could happen to kind of partly be collateral,
but also partly just hasn't beenplaying as well as he has all

(02:27:35):
season, at least at least a 5 or6 weeks to start it.
Speaking of mid teams that suddenly lost a bunch of games,
did you know the Packers last win was against the Bears and
the Bears last win was against the Packers?
I did see this. I watched the Fantasy

(02:27:57):
Footballers today or they talkedabout on there.
Yeah. And they did talk about that,
about their last win for each team was against the other,
which that's that's cool. I like that.
That is a that is a cool little nugget thrown in there that I'm
glad you brought up during this,during this fascinating stuff.

(02:28:18):
The rivalries Loki kind of back,which is good for the sport.
It's more stressful for us of course now that the rivalries
back and again. I think it it will be very
annoying to be two and three against in the Caleb Williams
era of Chicago football. That will stink.

(02:28:41):
Prefer not to do that so please win.
Thanks. It's been annoying being
somewhat non competitive in the division.
Lately. This year kind of flip that
around, but last year we went one and five and should have
gone O and 6 for sure. Without the without the fluke,

(02:29:04):
the blocks field goal block should definitely have been
should have been. O and six.
Yeah, nobody, nobody has outrightly said they don't want
the all Pros. But well, let's let's do this

(02:29:26):
then. So we finished up an edge we can
do. We can do our Bears picks and
all that to the interior of the defensive line.
All right, So I had Cam Hayward and Quinn and Williams first
team. OK, I have Cam Hayward and
Jeffrey Simmons. I had Jeffrey Simmons third

(02:29:46):
team. Like honorable mention, my
second team was Ed Oliver and Tavondre Sweat.
OK. My second team is is Quentin
Williams and Kobe Turner. I had Kobe Turner third team.
So did you have a third team because we're not did not for
this one. All right, so, so I had all four

(02:30:11):
of yours in my top 6 linebacker.I went three linebacker deep.
OK, I did not. I went ADB spot 1/5 DB, so
having that much fun actually. So give me your give me your two

(02:30:33):
first team. My two first teams are Jordan
Brooks and Devin Lloyd. Devin Lloyd.
I had Devin Lloyd on here and then I bumped him for somebody
else. So my first team I had three
spots. I had Bobby Wagner, Jordan
Brooks and Jack Campbell. Yep.
That makes sense. I'm a little surprised you

(02:30:53):
didn't have Jack Campbell in your first team.
I like, I like 7. I hate Iowa players.
They're not getting the nod. Refused to get the nod.
Sorry. Go to.
Yeah. I had Aiden Hutchinson as
honorable mentioned at Edge. Yeah, same.
He would have been higher if he wasn't an Iowa guy or a Michigan
guy. I mean, as well, those guys.

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Those guys also got to take a backseat a little bit.
OK. My second team was Drew
Tranquil, Jamie and Sherwood andDemario Davis.
OK, OK. Yeah, I and Jamie and Sherwood
was fringe first team for me. Wow.

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OK, on a really crappy defense, he's a very bright star.
Yeah, there are. There are the few the stars on
the the bad teams. Yeah, it's wild.
The Dolphins have two for steam ball pros.
I find that hilarious. I think that's probably going to

(02:32:00):
be the case when everyone else votes as well.
Again, he had only 330 snaps, soif he had more snaps than that,
obviously Fred Warner would be on here.
But I went with it. I had it was it was going to be
between for me, obviously Campbell's second team, right

(02:32:24):
had to I struggled between Wagner and Davis for that spot
and I ultimately gave it to to Davis and I had my third team
was Devin Bush, Fred Warner and Cedric Gray.
Devin Bush, you know, renaissance, low key

(02:32:46):
renaissance. We're doing stuff which is
awesome, very cool. It's got to hurt Pittsburgh a
little bit that he's doing in Cleveland.
But but yeah, again, Bobby Wagner leading the linebackers
in snaps this year. It's crazy stuff, man.
What he continues to do, he really is 900 year old Bobby

(02:33:09):
Wagner for me. He was a just a clear and
obvious first team selection. It's fair.
I, I felt really strongly about all three of my all my my first
team, all pros, but I like wanted to include room for Jamie
and Sherwood as well because I felt like he was deserving.
So like I had four guys for the response.

(02:33:29):
I love that corner for you. I I did 2 boundary corner and a
slot. OK.
I mean, I yeah, I have. I have that as well.
My boundary guys are Stingley and Mitchell for first team and
then my slot is Devin Witherspoon.

(02:33:52):
I just realized I have 12 starters on defense.
I have two edge 2. That's how you stop the first
team offense, 2 corner a slot and two safety.
So that's funny. All right, tell me again, your
your corners Stingley and Mitchell and then Spoon is the
Devin Witherspoon is the the DB?Yeah, I didn't have Mitchell or

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Stingley on here at all. So my starting boundary guys
were Witherspoon and Jamel Dean and I had Cooper to Jean in the
slot, and then I had my second team, Foundry was Sauce Gardner
and Trent Mcduffie. Third team there was Cedric was

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Mike Jackson and Kamari Lasseter.
And then in the slot, my second team was Marcus Jones and
honorable mention was Jayquan McMillan.
OK, yeah, so let's see corners. Second team on the boundary, I
have Lasseter and I have Mike Jackson.

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OK. And then my slot player for
second team is Cooper to Jean third team again, the snap
counts were a little bit lower for this boundary corner, but
again you I I feel like I had toinclude him.
You did as well. Jamel Dean and then opposite
him. I have I have Mcduffie and then

(02:35:24):
in the slot, third team Nick M and worry.
Oh nice. I did look at him.
I did. Look at him, yeah.
Yeah, so 2 Seattle guys in the in the DV spot for me, Person
13, they're good secondary. Secondary was the fun one to do

(02:35:44):
big. Shot well you.
You also had just like 2 Philly guys, 22 Philly secondary guys
and two and two. We got Stingley and Lasseter
too, so I had two Texans as well.
Oh yeah, true, true, true. All right, so safety, it was a
slam dunk for me to put McKinneyfor his team.
OK All Pro and to me it was not just how well he played, it was

(02:36:13):
for how often he was making an atrocious secondary.
Right. Yep I agree.
I felt like he was doing his joband like two other guys job on
every single play this year. Yep.
So this was a really easy first team inclusion for me.
My other starting safety was Antoine Linfield.

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OK. Who's your first team?
I have McKinney as well. Again, my first team is just two
guys who basically did everything they possibly could
to hide. Well, I know exactly the other
guy is the best player from the 2022 NFL Draft.
It's it's Raven safety Kyle Hamilton.

(02:36:56):
Oh my gosh. So.
I don't have him on here and I I'm not sure how I feel about
that. I didn't have them on here.
Who is your second team? I do not have Winfield.
My second team is Derwin James and Jalen Petrie.
This will be the third Houston Texan to make by all pro teams.

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I went Cam Bynum and Brian Branch for second team.
Cam Bynum. My third team was Brian Cook and
Antonio Johnson. Oh yes.
OK, Antonio Johnson, Crazy that Jacksonville defence with
Campanile, man, we like Campanile, poof.

(02:37:45):
Campanile's cooking down there. I'm rooting for him.
We all knew he would. We all knew he would.
I'm rooting for him, man. Is Campanile just like is
Campanile just the Dan Campbell of defense?
I see the Dan Campbell of Jeff Hafley's, the Dan Campbell of

(02:38:12):
Jeff Hafley's. I would take seven days out of
seven. Sorry.
Like I'm pretty sure that's whathe is.
Honestly. Some some are saying, I will say
Cody Alexander match quarters did a really good thread and
have had a post as well on Campanile's Jacksonville defense
and and just the way he described it, which is I believe

(02:38:34):
I got to look, but I he kind of described it as like the
structurally sound with incredibly timed chaos.
Here it is. OK, so the NF LS defensive
landscape is currently divided into two philosophies, passive
pressure structure. Think Fangio, think Ravens
McDonald Minter that tree and then the chaos agents, which is

(02:38:55):
your bowls Spags and then obviously Flores who Flores does
it with more middle field open than any of those other guys.
But he says sitting right in themiddle is the NF LS most
intriguing defensive experiment Anthony Campanile's Jags.
Imagine you could build ADC in alab.
Fanatical belief in the fundamentals of Schiano, solve

(02:39:17):
your problems with aggression ofDon Brown structures of Fangio
face melter blitz package of Flores.
Welcome to the resume that is Anthony Campanile.
The Jaguars defense is a football nerd's dream.
How do you blend Fangio discipline with Flores
aggression without causing a disaster?
You become the Campanile 2025 Jaguars.

(02:39:41):
It is one of the coolest things I've read ever.
If you don't have the subscription to match quarters,
I would just I would literally just say do the free trial just
to read that. If you're not going to read
anything else you can do the seven day free trial.
Might as well. It's it is so good.

(02:40:04):
So shout out to those boys. He Antonio Johnson playing at
the level he's playing at after what was a dreadful last season,
right. I think he's his third year now
out of Texas A and MI believe hewas a fifth round pick.
So to be able to do what he's doing this year, right, you have
again, your your corners are fine.
Like Jerian Jones is playing boundary.

(02:40:26):
Right and you've only played really slot at Florida State.
You have Jordan Lewis there, youhave Greg Newsable you traded
you swapped with with Tyson Campbell, right.
But I think like again, they've been foundationally really good
defensively and they have a Lukun and Lloyd right at
linebacker, which helps helps solve a lot of problems too.

(02:40:46):
And then Alan, of course, right.But so much of that is is
working for them and everything is just falling into place for
that defense. And and that's what's going to
make I think the beginning Sunday, Sunday so exciting is
like, OK, if you think about it right without thinking about too
much, who's a guy you have to like be like on your on your

(02:41:10):
toes, head on a swivel for 60 minutes.
It's Josh Allen of anybody left in the play offs, probably,
right, essentially of like can simply go Superman in any moment
at any point. And like, James Cook is good,
too. And James Cook is good.
Yeah. And so it's like as long as you
prevent the superhero performance, you're in good
shape. You just have to, you just have

(02:41:32):
to worry about a superhero performance.
Other than that, they frustratedDenver.
I think they can frustrate New England, right when they played
the Texans early in the season, they beat them.
That would be really interesting, right?
And then they had the weird giveup the lead.
We're dominating them with DavisMills, not Stroud, yes, but that

(02:41:52):
was a weird game. I, I think if they play again, I
think Jacksonville punches him in the mouth in the best way.
And so like, who do you, who do you, who are you scared of right
now? Jacksonville should be riding at
this point. Zero teams.
That's what we like. Jacksonville should be scared of
0 of nobody. Cohen and Campanile should have

(02:42:13):
these guys feeling like they cantake on anybody at this point.
They've, they've, they, as we've, as I said, they've,
they've dismantled the one seed in their place already this
year. So like who should who's who
scares you at this point? Only one thing for me.
If Josh Allen has a three touchdown passing, 3 touchdown
rushing game, right? And that's again, you're going

(02:42:34):
to get that. He gets that a few times a year.
You just have to hope he doesn'tdo that and you're in good
shape. You should win this game.
So Josh Allen, it's going to feel good if Josh Allen can.
Beat the Jaguars. For sure he can't win four
straight Wild card division championship.
He can't win three straight, he can't win three straight.

(02:42:56):
He can. He can beat the Jags, but even
in this AFC, he's not winning. Three strikes would be
incredible if they did it because they're likely going to
have to go through, right? If they win, they're going to
Denver. I don't I don't see a world
where they don't end up going there in the divisional round.
And so you're going to have to play against AFC is just AII.

(02:43:21):
There is a chance AFC and the SEC have a lot in common this
year. Let's just say that.
I just, I could see a lot of different things in that.
I could see Denver, Jacksonville, which I think
makes the, to me the most sense at this juncture of a, of an AFC
championship game. I could also see Buffalo Houston
as an AFC championship game, just because nobody wants to

(02:43:44):
separate themselves. Yeah, I would like to see
Buffalo New England. I think that'd be a lot of fun.
I really wish Buffalo Jacksonville was not the first
game. I wish this was not a first raw
matchup. I wish we were getting this
divisional raw weekend or championship weekend.
But I think anything could happen over there anyway.

(02:44:07):
I think that's I think we did all ours.
Southern, Southern turtles is inhere saying Baron Sorrell is the
truth. I do want to.
Do you do you think Baron Sorrell get snaps on defense in
this game? I do.
It's a playoff, yeah. I think he will.
OK, you too. Going back to the playoffs, so

(02:44:30):
we could get, yeah, let's probably get in, probably get in
Denver, Houston. Probably.
Although unless you think the Bills are winning, yeah, you'll
get Denver. Houston.
Unless you think the Bills are getting what?
Unless the Bills win. You're talking about Denver,
Houston divisional, right? But are you talking about

(02:44:52):
Denver, Houston, Denver? Oh yeah, I guess, I guess
Buffalo, Jacksonville. Yeah, you're probably getting
New England Jacksonville, but Lukey game you could get New
England winner 45. Yeah.

(02:45:13):
Do you think Pittsburgh can hangwith Houston?
Because I'd I'd like to see Pittsburgh win.
I think they can. I think they're a perfect
situation where this is going tobe first one to 20 points.
And we under we know how Pittsburgh wins.
We saw last playoff win like 2016 against the Dolphins, I
believe was right. It was the game before nine

(02:45:35):
years. It's, it was the game before the
Rogers Hail Mary game against the Giants, because my dad and I
were up there in Green Bay watching that Pittsburgh, Miami
game, I believe right before Green Bay.
And you know, we didn't, we didn't watch the end of it in
there. We already walked in.
But I'm, I'm pretty sure that's the game.
It's been almost as long as Rodgers last playoff win,

(02:45:58):
frankly, getting there. Yeah, 'cause what, 2020?
It was the 2020 season, Yeah. Where Elton Jenkins grabbed
Elton Jenkins gotten Aaron Donald's face.
Yeah. Yeah, so I think, I think Lazard
iced it right. I think that's what got him to
30 points Lazard off play action, if I'm not mistaken.

(02:46:20):
I can't remember. I know Devante had the really
memorable touchdown in that game, but I think Lazard also
had one. Oh, because Ramsey was pissed.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because of the motion. See Aaron.
Motion's good, man. Remember those days.
I really wish, I really wish Pittsburgh had Darnell for this
game. That's really upsetting.

(02:46:42):
I really wanted Washington to bein this.
But I think I do think this is rock fight territory, right?
I essentially Sunday night afterhalftime, I was thinking to
myself like, hey, Pittsburgh, they can go down the field and
get a touchdown. And then I know that fluky
turnover is coming for Baltimoreand of course, ball goes off,

(02:47:05):
ball gets tipped off, defender Stanley tries to keep it up in
the air and Watt picks it off like it's clockwork.
Man, they can get those. It's the weirdest.
It's still the weirdest game. Predictable in parts, but just
the IT was predictably unpredictable.
That's exactly what that game was.
It's like, all right, Baltimore and Pittsburgh getting together
and and neither's and neither's way better than the other, which

(02:47:26):
means, Oh my gosh, this is goingto be ridiculous.
And it and it was and so a Pittsburgh with the front they
have right when everybody's playing Watt, Highsmith, Herbig
Hayward, who we both agree all pro stud this year at age 36,
which is nuts. Benton has highs.
Harmon's shown flash as a rookie.

(02:47:47):
They get Yaya black in there right.
They have like 10 guys who play for them.
They can make this messy. And by the way, the four fives,
you should be freaking out if you're a five seed and you feel
like you're way better. This happens so much just in

(02:48:09):
general, the 4-5 games. Have you think Carolina can
knock off LA? They've already done it.
They've already done it, They'vealready done it.
They've already done it as 10 point dogs at home.
This is the same game again. I, I fear, I fear for the Rams
lives in this game. If they win this game, they're

(02:48:31):
in great shape. They I have no, I have full
confidence in them right now. They are the Panthers are
outrageously terrible. They should not win this game.
And yet just cause the Rams lost.
Look, the Rams lost a lot of games this year.
Just cause the Rams lost a game,you you think that the Panthers
are in the Rams heads? I think the Panthers the
Panthers are in the perfect nothing to lose situation here.

(02:48:54):
Also, the three teams that have a worst point differential than
the Panthers entering the playoffs have all all won their
first game. Like this is just it's it's this
game unfortunately sets up perfectly for like the Rams
simply cannot lose this game right?
And then they will. It's awful.
I don't want that to happen. I want to get Seahawks Rams in
sub capacity. I'm just terrified at the fact

(02:49:16):
that we could the the Panthers could potentially go to Chicago
and the Chicago Bears are going to get the free advance to the
to the NFC Champions League games to play the Dang Panthers
in the divisional round like that is it is nightmare fuel.
JJ, this is the it's a terrible outcome.
It's terrible. It ruins the fun of the NFC.

(02:49:36):
Let's take the NFC games. So are you taking the Panthers
to get the Rams? I am I'm not.
I am. I think they're good.
I I really hate the fact that they're probably going to win
this game. I hate it.
This it, it flat out disgusts methat they're probably going to
win. Doesn't make any sense.
They've been checked out for twoweeks.
They stink, right? And then they don't.
I don't. The four seeds are perfect for

(02:49:57):
the playoffs because they're thetwo teams where you go 2 two
weeks of bad play, like they stink.
It's over for them. And then they're back after
being a good team like Pittsburgh after the Green Bay
game. They're like, oh, well, this
season's over. Like they they're not good
anyway. And then they just, they beat
the Colts. Oh, I didn't think that's the
Green Bay game. I it's simply it, it's that's

(02:50:17):
fine. But like literally perception.
They, these two teams have flipped on perception so much
this year. It's insane.
I because they go beat the Coltsand then it's like, oh, is
Pittsburgh back? And then they got shellacked by
the Chargers. Pittsburgh, Oh, they're done.
Then they go beat the Lions and then it's like, oh, is

(02:50:39):
Pittsburgh back? No, they're going to lose to
Cleveland on the road. Like, they simply can't help
themselves. The Panthers have beaten the
Packers and Rams, and then they've lost to the Saints
twice. These guys simply, we don't know
what they're going to do this week.
They could both win, and it shouldn't be shocking to anyone.

(02:50:59):
You know, it would be so weird and I don't believe this could
happen, but it would be so weirdto get a Panthers Packers
rematch in the playoffs because like, oh bad.
All right, let's let's pick the rest of these games here.
So San Francisco, Philly chaos theory.
So San Francisco's really bangedup.

(02:51:20):
They shouldn't win. I think I still like San
Francisco over Philly here. I really just don't believe in
Philly. I, I don't believe in Philly,
which really hurts me because that means they're going to go
to Chicago, which is no fun. I, I think Philly probably wins.

(02:51:42):
It's, it's lame and really unfortunate.
If, if so, I really hope they just get diced up in their
offense. Like every, everything,
everything in my bones, how I feel and I feel like I, how I
feel I should feel about these games are just, I think going to
be flipped on their heads. Let me ask you a question here.

(02:52:02):
Super annoying. If the Packers lose to the Bears
in the playoffs, are we going tocome on here and do a live
stream next Tuesday or are we taking a week off?
No, we have to coming off a playoff loss to the Bears.
You want to do a live stream? Yep.
We got to be here. We got to be here.

(02:52:28):
Listen, I understand. I I if I was if I was doing live
streams in the golf space every time Rory McIlroy had a absolute
crushing defeat. You know what?
I feel like I have to show up and that's what this is going to
feel like if they lose the bearsthe playoffs, right?
But makes for some good content.If we show up, I feel like we
must do so. All right, so you're picking the

(02:52:54):
Bears to win this one. Yes, you can fill that one out.
I will. I will grab the one and I'll
fill out. One as well, then you.
Want me to fill it? It's just that I don't have it
set up to fill it out. Oh, pretty sure this is just an
image. Let me I think layoff machine.

(02:53:15):
Here we go. Here we go.
Oh, does that look OK so. How do we do this?
How do we pick them? I don't know if you can on that

(02:53:38):
one. Layoff.
What do we do? Where's?
This Here we go, Playoff. Predictors.
Will this one work? I think this one work, yeah.
That should, that should be set,yeah.

(02:53:58):
Oh, but this? Where's the?
There you go. Wild card round.
OK, so we're both picking San Francisco to knock off Philly,
Yes. Yeah, I think I'm picking
Jacksonville to knock off Buffalo, but I admit nervousness
about that. Patriots should beat the

(02:54:20):
Chargers. Yep.
I'm torn on Houston. Pittsburgh.
I think I'm going to pick Houston, but like, Pittsburgh
could absolutely win this. Yep, 100%.
All right, NFC, you're going Panthers.
I can't. I'm going Rams.
That's totally fine. The Panthers are Panthers are

(02:54:43):
lousy. They are I've I've not disputed
the Panthers are a lousy football team not disputing it
at all. They should be the seventh seed
division winner who didn't get to 500 should be a seven seed
period. I'm curious about something
here. Where's OK ESPN matchup

(02:55:10):
predictor which is worth the paper it's written on 56% Green
Bay. Yep.
I'm just so nervous about the Packers defense.
I really think the Bears receiving leader.

(02:55:31):
That's really annoying. Super annoying.
Can't stand that. I hate that their rushing leader
is DeAndre Swift because he he is lousy and Monongai is
significantly better than he is.But they they can't help

(02:55:51):
themselves. They give Swift all these
carries. So I'm a little torn on what to
do here because me too. Because I don't despite, despite
how mad I am at the Packers and how much I think the Packers
absolutely stink, I just don't believe in the Bears.

(02:56:14):
But I'm torn because I feel likeif I pick the Bears and you pick
the Bears, then we can jinx the Bears and the Packers will win.
Sure. I think that's a good reason to
pick the Bears. OK.
Also, all Rd. teams in the NFC winning.
That's what I want to happen. That will not happen.

(02:56:34):
No chance. Yeah, I think I'll pick the
Bears here. OK.
But I want the people to know why I'm doing this.
I'm doing it to jinx the Bears. I'm a pretty effective jinx.
Jake and I trying to jinx the Bears together.

(02:56:55):
That's got legs. So if the Packers still managed
to lose this despite us jinxing the bears this hard, not sure
what to do there. We tried then that's just on the
Packers for sucking. So whoops.
Let me see. Can we go to can we send the
division round? Here we go.
Oh yeah, you can absolutely do it.
Oh, Jack's Patriots is this is the juiciest 1.

(02:57:16):
So let's not Miles Jack wasn't down.
Revenge, baby. Let's save this one.
Let's do the other three. Let's.
Get out. So Seattle's easily beating San
Francisco. For sure.
I have San Francisco as well as a match.
Give me Denver. I have Denver, Houston as a
matchup as well. And then LA easily over.

(02:57:40):
The the Bears, Yeah, also probably LA easily over.
Or it wouldn't be just out of curiosity.
If the Packers win, they're going to Seattle and the San
Francisco goes to LA. It's wild stuff.
All right. But go into what we're what
we're calling for. Seattle, LA, Denver, man.

(02:58:06):
So what do you like better, the Patriots offense or the Jags
defense? That's really what this game
sounds to you. Camp a deal, baby.
We ride with you, my king. Dude, what a nasty, nasty
conference championship round. Golly.
And you know what this would be?Oh, my gosh.

(02:58:27):
Look at what it is. That's so dumb.
That's so dumb. You get the rematch of the 2015.
No, not 2015. That was that was the Panthers
2014, 2013, Yeah. 20/13/2014 So,yeah, February of 2014.
But 2013 season. Yeah.

(02:58:48):
Disgusting. I've got mine.
You got your Super Bowl. Yeah.
Yeah. We agree.
It's a champion. The champion, Absolutely.
We agree. So wait, so who?
Who do you have here? You got Jags.
You got Seahawks. Jags in the Super Bowl?

(02:59:08):
Nope. What do you got?
Hang on there. All right, So you've got
Houston. I don't know if I can believe in
Houston that whole way. I don't want to either, but
their offense is just so, Yep, unreliable.
It might be. It might be this in reality, but

(02:59:32):
I feel good about this. Unfortunately.
I see why you picked Houston here, though, because you've
been such a Jags doubter and it's specifically a Jags offense
doubter for I I am. I will say I am such a Jags
doubter that I have Liam Cohen, Coach of the Year bets from
August. Yeah, but you've been.

(02:59:54):
You have been the biggest TrevorLawrence doubter Me.
Yes, you. No, I have not.
That's just not true at all. Come on, You wanted them to you.
You want it. You said they were going to need
a new quarterback. I did say that.
You're right. I did say that.
But if you're calling me the biggest Trevor Lawrence doubter,

(03:00:15):
I I'm going to. The biggest Trevor Lawrence
doubter on this podcast. OK, well, that's deny that
accusation. You can't beat that accusation.
Yeah, but that's not what you said initially.
You tried to trump it up a little bit there.
I see your moves. OK, fully healthy, Travis Hunter
all year. Have you taken Jags to make the

(03:00:38):
Super Bowl? Yeah.
And he played 'cause he played corner right now for them and
and still lose to the Seahawks. Yes, yes.
Yes. Listen, do you?
I'm not going to stim anything with the Packers.
This is what I think will reserve that privilege for if

(03:01:00):
the Packers decide to show up. This is what I think, and I'd
hate that. This is what I want.
OK, let's do this. Boop, boop, boop.
OK. So you have all home teams
winning on in the AFC, Yes, or AFC?
None. All home teams in the AFC.
All Rd. teams in the AFC. All right, now things I want.

(03:01:21):
Bloop, Bloop, Steelers, Jet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Baby. Realistically, no, no, let's do
this. Wait, no, no, hold on, hold on.
Want this. Just pause.
Just pause. Yeah, bro.
Yeah, there you go. That's what we all want.
Everybody wants it. And then Nope, get absolutely
denied. No, actually, there you have it,

(03:01:42):
guys. Jake, I was the one who now jinx
the Packers. I tried so hard to jinx the
Bears and I I would actually probably want Rogers to get one
so the Green Bay can get it withParsons and Kraft.
But in in a more realistic sense, I really wish these two
wouldn't be playing each other this that weekend.

(03:02:05):
I think it's more going to be like, I want Green Bay to get
this one and then I'm not. Then it's kind of gravy.
I'm in on this. Give me this one.
I guess that's what I'm that's what I'm looking for.
Or I can be talked into this here.

(03:02:26):
I, I, I got one for it. We should, we should wrap up
after this, but I, I, I got one and then you, you could do this
too. I'm in on this one.
Home team wins this year. That's that would be sick.
That would be sick. Pick who you would be rooting.
The Patriots are Kurt Zignetti right here.

(03:02:48):
They're like, oh, no, no, we'll be the one team who takes care
of business. So what we're supposed to do?
One team who takes care of business, what we're supposed to
everybody else getting clowned. Except the Rams are kind of in
that reality too, of like shouldshould demolish them.
But on the record do do are who were rooting against the hardest

(03:03:12):
in the playoffs here. Oh, so rooting against rooting
against like worst case scenarios.
Sure, yeah, like, like who do you want knocked out as?
OK, definitely them this one. I like both of them, so those
don't really concern me. I was thinking more like a

(03:03:35):
draft, like we like we draft. This is the worst.
Here you go. Absolutely dreadful outcomes
right here. So this would be really bad for
me. It's it's not too unrealistic
either. I don't hate the Panthers.
I don't hate Chargers over Patriots is the only really

(03:03:55):
unrealistic thing here. I know that's.
Well, let's say if we do this, yeah, we can still have it.
That's fine. We can still get there.
This would be this would be night my my rooting interests,
rooting the hardest against the Bears do not like then the
Niners, then probably the Rams because I I don't like Sean

(03:04:22):
McVeigh, then the Panthers. I just don't like the Panthers.
OK, then. Can't get these two to play each
other in the NFC Championship Game.
It's not possible. Otherwise I would have it, but
we can't do it. Then the Chargers, then the

(03:04:48):
Bills, then the Patriots, then the Broncos, then the Eagles,
Seahawks. So yeah, OK, so your top three
that you don't want to win it all?
Bears, Bears 9, 49ers. And who did I say third?

(03:05:11):
Did I say it's the Rams? Third?
Did you say Rams? You might have, but I'm also
touring because like the Rams are good and I actually want
good teams to progress through. Not that's what I'm saying.
Not dark water teams, yeah. So probably bears Niners.
Oh. Screw it.
Bills. Bears.
Niners. Bills.
OK, so for me, the the top four that separate themselves from

(03:05:36):
the rest are in terms of like, do not want, yeah, Bears, 1
Eagles, 2 Texans, 3 Broncos. That's misguided.
That's misguided by opinions. Misguided.
I have the Niners in the top four.
Niners don't bother me at all. It's not misguided.

(03:05:57):
It's misguided in your in your eyes because you don't like
them. I don't like them.
OK, so then it's misguided in your the whole point is that I
don't like them and no Packer fans.
I don't mind them. So I get my opinion on this
show. Thanks.
Well, look, it's happened again.You've raced, wasted three

(03:06:18):
perfectly good hours, your top three to where you want to win.
You know, Packers, OK. You have to pick somebody else
after them. You do?
Yes, because they're not going to win.
Packers, Jags, I guess. Texans, Packers, Jags.

(03:06:47):
Texans. OK, nice.
And maybe it's actually Packers,Texans, Jags.
It's probably Packers, Texans, Jags.
Yeah. This is nightmare Super Bowl for
sure. Easily, because anything where
the Bears are in the Super Bowl is nightmare.
Material. That's fair.

(03:07:09):
Anything where the Bears win anyplayoff games at all is
nightmare scenario. If the Bears make it to the
second round, that's a nightmare.
If they make it to the third round, that's nauseating.
Yeah. Oy vey, oy vey, is what I got to

(03:07:30):
say. Well, folks, we'll see.
We'll. See if if Jake's going to let me
end it this time or if he. He's still just.
Needs to run a few more scenarios.
I'll tell you who has a lot morescenarios he needs to run for

(03:07:51):
the Packers offseason. Who's that?
The man, the myth, the savior, Mr. Ed policy.
We're celebrating Ed Policy Day a little bit early because he's
going to find a way to save the Packers and fix this team this
offseason. He's going after Jesse Minter.
Gonna have to go after somebody somewhere.

(03:08:15):
You Beautiful people. Thank you for tuning in.
We appreciate you most much. Lee, from all of us here at
Derailed, thank you so much for listening.
Go. Pack.
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