Breaking Down Packers Family Night and More!

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. The spirit ran low and then it
hit me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fan started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took down the line.
If I told you I could bear the thought.
Stealing a chance. Some soccer team God.
No need for a Viking to borrow achin.
I choose that the power, the frozen monsoon, the absolute

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acrylic. Did you buy online?
But that's not my policy. These words are all mine here.
Go black gold. Go black gold.

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Go black gold that she said, spit.
Go back, go. He was hot up and loud screaming
go back, go. Said, you know we ain't no
choir. Go back, go.
So we shouted so loud. Go back, go, go back, go.

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Yeah, go back, go. Yeah.
Welcome back to Derailed. I anger humble host JJ Leahy

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here with the Draft robot, my good friend Jake Chuvink.
Jake, you're ready to talk aboutGreen Bay football Always,
always and and to talk about whatever else comes up on this
on this fine Monday evening. I mean, it wouldn't be derailed
in summer 2025 if we didn't kickthings off with a Mark Murphy

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minute sponsored by Redacted Energy and produced by Missus
Leahy. Missus Leahy has the the pop
news, pop culture news for us this week.
First of all, Aulani beverage company who also not sponsoring
our show. They are dropping a new flavor.

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It's Witch's brew. People are going crazy over it.
I know because we had to drive around to like 7 different
stores to try and find some. And you know, our Packers tie in
here is Witcher's brew. Milwaukee Brewers, much like the
Packers, are going to be at the top of the NFL in just a minute

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here. The Brewers are in sole
possession of first place in MLBoverall.
So Congrats to them, you know, staying ahead of of the Cubbies,
thanks in small part to the dying franchise known as the
Baltimore Orioles who got one over on the on the Cubbies.
So I think if we have some time,there is a baseball thing that I

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would like to do tonight with Jake.
OK? I think you guys are going to
enjoy. I think Jake's going to enjoy,
OK? Drew asks.
JJ, is your wife an energy drinker or is she just along for
the ride when you're searching for them?
This actually is very topical. She's got her own energy drinks.

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She likes Red Bull and Aulani. And then I, I drink dusky Zeros
and then I drink Redacted. I'm not going to say the name
until they sponsor our show. So she says it's a his and hers
type of thing and it's. Good to know.
Where's where's Derschel? Here we go Derschel.

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He said Reneka would never pull a Celsius and accidentally fill
itself with booze. So I mean here here's the thing
for those of you who do not knowthe well, it's it's the high
noons and the Celsius right? I think those are the two that
got switched. So, you know, if you basically,
if God loves you, then you bought a Celsius and it was full

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of high noon. And if he doesn't love you, you
bought a high noon and it was full of Celsius.
Can you imagine? That's basically what happened
getting, getting a high noon Andyou know, it's like, what is
this like strawberry orange thing that I'm drinking?
You know, that's got to be extremely disappointing.

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You know, as as somebody who hashis fridge usually stocked, I
would be very upset if I went togo find one That's just the
Celsius. So epic mix.
I actually do. I do have a Celsius right here
for tonight. There you go.
That's because my redacted is still chilling in the freezer
because I forgot to put it in their in their fridge.

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And so I put it in the freezer and then a little bit misses
Leahy has volunteered to bring me my redacted.
Until then, I have to drink the Celsius.
So I need to ask about the witch's brew here.
I mean, I've, I see the pictures.
So is it like just like a, it's a, is it caramel apple?
Is that what we're working with here?

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OK, that's exactly what it is. It's caramel apple.
So here's the thing. Apparently people who had it
last year are upset this year because it no longer tastes as
caramel Y and now it tastes moreapple Y So OK I did not try it

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last year. I did taste it this year.
I think it's pretty good with the with the appley Ness Here's
I like the design. Oh here we.
Go. I like the design they got.
They got a fun art on the can. Yeah, that's nice.
That's lovely. Derschel is trying to.

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He's trying to distract from something that happened last
week between me and Derschel. I reached out to Derschel and I
said, hey, you told me that you tried the new flavor, the new
Bubblicious flavor of Redacted. So there's two different
Bubblicious flavors. I had tried the what was it?

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I tried the first one that's just the pink and it was
terrible and then he told me that the cotton candy bublicious
redacted was actually worth it so I tried it and it just
straight up tasted like bubble. Gum.
And then he chickened out and hedid not come to the live stream
last week. So I have had to sit on this for

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two weeks to confront him about the bum steer.
That is not a good flavor. Oh man, I think, I think
Derschel, I think you just really like bubble gum.
Flavor more than I do. That's that's really what's.
Going on. New beef.
Dropped in. Its cans new beef just dropped

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between JJ and Derschel. I, I mentally when I picture
Derschel, I see Vegetable's face, but not like his avocado
face, like just the mask, right?Like, I, I picture the the
Deadpool mask just like, but Dershow like walking around his

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house, like doing wedding planning with his fiance and all
that. But he's got the Deadpool mask
on. Fair enough.
Drew wants to know about the sherbert flavored 5 hour energy
drink. So Missus Leahy is spreading
some propaganda here. She says I have the five hour

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energies. I really don't.
I do five hours really only in two scenarios.
One would be if I have to do a late night drive and two would
be if I'm going to the movie theater and I am behind them.
Other than that, I don't drink. I've had, I think I've had one
of those and yeah, that I I don't, I don't need that type of

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that that hit a new level. I've that's what I imagine
people think the four locos are like, which I've never, I've
also never had. OK, I've I've had, I think I've
had two, four locos in my life and they are not as bad as
people say, but they are terrible.
Like don't buy them. But also it's, it's a bit of a

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meme how bad they are. It's it's exaggerating for
comedic effect but also don't buy them because they're not
thick. Wait a minute, Drew says.
I'm talking about the drink, notthe little shot.
They have a. What?
What? They have a 5 hour drink, Energy

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drink? 5 hour energy drink?
Ah man, I'm not seeing it. I searched 5 hour energy drink
and all I'm seeing are the little shots.
I think you're pulling my leg. Wait a minute.
No. What did you search to get
something to come up It It was further down in the search.
They're like if they're go to images and see if you can find a

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can. That's where I'm at right now.
That's where I'm seeing them. What did you search?
I searched 5 hour energy. Drink.
Yes, there you go. And then that's what I saw, the
tropical burst, that green and pink.
That's the first one I saw. OK, yeah.
Berry, watermelon, grape. I just don't know if extra

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strength is what I like. I know how much strength is in
the regular ones. Not sure I need extra.
This has much caffeine as those Panera drinks they pulled off
their their menu. Those were crazy good.
I wish that OK, so those were not gotta be the same.
OK, this right here. This is the best flavor of five

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hour energy is apple pie, but they don't make it anymore.
Hey, look, baseball topical. Well, yeah, Speaking of Drew,
you have big cans. They have the big cans.
I can't. So yeah, I already, I already
used that line on. I already used that line on.
Tool for this? I said he had nice cans, so I
can't see you have big cans and I said you have nice cans.

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I like all your cans. Here was the other one tool for
this. Also wanted to talk about the
Savannah Bananas. So my 2 year old daughter has
decided that she's a Savannah Bananas fan, which is great
because I get to hear her try and pronounce Savannah Bananas.
And it's so funny the way she can't say it's basically the

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best tongue twister ever for a for a toddler 'cause it's right
at the level that they can actually spit it out.
Yeah, but it's so not coherent enough.
Exactly. Exactly.
She always ends up calling them the Suspa Banana bananas.
Which is a great. 10. The Joanna Sespadace Savannah

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Bananas. I do.
I always want that. You all may be wondering why it
is that we're doing this live stream on a Monday night.
In fact, Jake doesn't even know why we're doing this live stream
on Monday night. It is too old for this fault,
and it is Tyler Dershow's fault.They talked me into going to see

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Fantastic Four. Tomorrow night is the only night
I can possibly get a babysitter,so me and Misses Leahy are gonna
go see Marvel's First family. And you guys made this happen
and that means it affected your schedules.
Wait, you had to rearrange so you could come and be here for
derailed on Monday night? So wait.
And that way, we're all a part of the great.

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Circle of Life. Marvel's first family isn't Korg
and Meek. I'm upset.
That's the second family. It's like, OK, it's like the
president and vice president make up the first family or no,
the president and the first lady.
I got you. It could be the president.
That's interesting. That's not usually.

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And the vice president and the you haven't seen that second
lady make up the second family, right?
I assume that's yes, that's that's right.
Although it would be way funnierif it was the first one.
Oh, Missus Leahy says I'll bringmy honest reviews next week.
So be ready. Missus Leahy, are you actually
going to get a on camera undo this 'cause you should Yep, put

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the camera down or, or just get one of those mics that attaches
to the shirt so you can like, you know, And then we do the
quick review afterwards thing onher face.
We just, she's just a silhouette.
I mean, Dirsel says it's the only accepted reason to move the
derailed date and then tool for this tool, tool for this.

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Don't act like you weren't one of the ones talking me into
going. To see this movie.
Right. I've seen so many Movies Now
because of Tool for this. First of all, I've been to the
theater every single week for the last.
This will make the last month straight now and it's almost
entirely because of tool. For this, Dirshel says he bought
the Galactus popcorn bucket. You know, it must be nice living

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in a densely populated area where they have such things.
All right, Like, we're basicallygoing to go see it at a drive in
out behind Mama Leone's. I need to see the Galactus
bucket. I'm looking it up.
Do you have? Oh, that's way cooler.

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Is it cooler than the Taylor's bucket?
Did you see the sandworm buckets, by the way?
Yes, I did. Yeah, I saw those.
I saw those. It's it's it's this this
Galactus once set a world record, which makes sense.
I mean, Galactus is quite large,so it would make sense 80 bucks

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for that. I feel like that would have to
make and refill the popcorn by itself for me to pay 80 bucks
for that. But it does look very cool.
Here's how I know that I'm old. I'm just looking at this and
wondering where I would store it.
That that is a put it on your desk, put it on a shelf.

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My desk thing where you're putting other collectibles like
that's I have 4 different sets of headphones, 2 monitors, 10
lbs of popcorn says Dershow. OK, wait a minute.
Yeah, this is this is also a thing.
Yeah, 100% if that's plastic, 80bucks.

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No, no, that thing needs to weigh 20 lbs by itself.
It looks like a pound of and you're carrying that thing like,
you know, you you carry that thing in like it's a water jug,
you know, like that's it should be that heavy walking into the
theaters, you just set it down in front of you.
But you know, 80 bucks here's a get up and move.

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Like I would get an $80 like R2D2 popcorn bucket if it moved.
You know, that'd be cool. I don't even know if it would
have to move for me to for me. I think it would, for me, I
think it would have to move. But I know there was an R2D2
like popcorn popper essentially.So you just put the, you just

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put the kernels in and it pops it for you.
In R2D2, the soul tar bucket, the Dome is, is the bowl, which
I think is also the soul tar bucket would be kind of sick.
Also, I kind of want the the bigthings on the side of Galactus's
head to be hollow and like fill up with the unpopped kernels and

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then they kind of fall down the tube and then it heats up.
Interesting. Pops up like the, the heater is
down like in his neck. Are you gonna get one when they
come? This has to be inevitable.
They're doing it for this. When the Mandalorian and Grogu
movie comes out, they have to bedoing it right.

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Yeah, they have to be doing a movie.
They got to do it right. Mando and Grogu popcorn box.
It's like that has to be a thing.
I would get the. I would get the Mando one.
Yeah, same, he says. I have the Hallmark Star Trek
ornaments that all talk to each other.
What, you never heard of this? Sounds amazing.

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Yeah, I just have lots of sports.
Ornaments. Oh, Hallmark Star Trek ornaments
2025. Are they?
Are they recent? I don't know if I'd want
ornaments. That talk to each other.
I definitely would you remember when we were had all these plans

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to talk about Packers family night and now we've been on the
stream for 18 minutes and we've only just been talking about
energy drinks, you know, and Fantastic Four.
I, I wasn't going to I wasn't going to say it, but I'm glad
that we haven't yet 'cause I have no clue what happened
during Packers family and I couldn't tell you a single thing
did not have ATV in front of me to watch it.
So you know, this will be nice. This will be nice getting like

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honest to goodness reactions. I'm just going to start
searching stuff on Twitter. So that's I am familiar with
what went on here we have this is from Derschel.
He sent me this picture 80 bucks.
Wait, so the all eyes light? Up.

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They have to. I don't know if they do.
Thank you, Misses Leahy. Look, we got the, we got the
freshly chilled. Excellent.
Show the logo. For half second we have the
redacted drink and here this is the bag of popcorn that it made.

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Apparently that is humongous. That's crazy Herschel, where'd
you put all that tool for this? Say we have more people in the
chat than the bears had at theirfamily fest.
That's. Tough.
I saw all the Bears fans, not even the Bears fans.
It was the Bears media. It was Greg Gutfeld or Greg.

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What's the guy's name? Greg Gabriel.
What's the guy's name? Yeah, I think the other Greg.
There's a couple different Greg's who trend on social media
all the time. Perfect.
That's so for saying crazy things.
I think Greg Gabriel is the Bears guy.
He is. I blocked him a long time ago.
Would never. I don't think there's any Bears
media people I've blocked. There's been a couple of Bears

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fans who kind of go crazier. I actually think I've blocked
more Packers. People than bears people.
There is one fan base that I I just block regardless.
I it's the it's the team up north.
I I blocked them regardless. If you like that team, I block
you basically. Other than that, you've been

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blocked. Other than that, I'm I'm I'm
pretty conservative with my blocks.
I should I should look and see how many I have.
Tool for this wants to know if you live with me Tyler you not
yet someday. Someday.
You and your and your Deadpool mask.

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But but Greg Gabriel, I think was tweeting like, man, you
know, the Packer fans are so lame because, like, all they
care about is the Packers. And it's because they don't have
anything else to do in in Green Bay.
And like the whole rest of the world looked at that.
And they were like, OK, so you're like telling us exactly

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where the Bears rank in your list of priorities, which is
like, I will go watch the Bears if there's literally nothing
else for me to do. Got it.
Meanwhile, we like to to have a good time in Green Bay.
Yes, we do, of course. OK, so Packers family night.

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I don't know that it told us a lot, frankly, other than we
maybe don't have much in Jordan Morgan and Anthony Belton
doesn't. Look too good.
But like, that's been something we've been suspecting for a
while, just with practices, likefamily night is a big, big

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practice. Anyways, yeah.
Drew says, can we all agree we should never get rid of the Hall
of Fame Game? I've never seen the Hall of Fame
Game. I don't think I ever will unless
the Packers are playing in it. I yeah, I, I think I've said why
would we never get rid of the Hall of Fame Game?
I think I said this. I said this.

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Well, it was just Trey Lance andHennen Hooker throwing rocks at
each other. I've I've been to the only Hall
of Fame game that's been cancelled.
It was the year Farve got went into the Hall of Fame, right?
And the field was in in shambles.
So that was that was fun not seeing it at all.
But yeah, I mean, it's fine. Like nobody, obviously nobody

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plays in it. So, you know, I, I go to
preseason game, you see a littletrade lands, you see a little
Isaac Tesla, a little bit of Keandre Lambert Smith.
So, but I think The thing is, only the Packers are the only
team that I care about enough togo watch those, you know, bottom
of the roster bubble guys. Like with the Packers, I know

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who all these guys are. I kind of know who I want to
make the roster because I'm like, oh man, I just know Alan
Lazard is going to be a stud. Then he gets, you know, cut,
fortunately, as we know, you know, happy ending there.
But like, there's always every year you got a couple guys who
you're like rooting for like crazy.
For sure. But I'm just, I'm, I don't have

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that level of obsession with anyother NFL team.
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
How, how covering the draft, JJ,you don't want to see all the
rookies playing, you know, and all these guys you liked three
years ago on new teams getting achance of redemption, you know,

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But this is this is the difference between you and me as
draft. Gurus.
Right, you and I are both draft purists in a different way, all
right? You're a draft purist because
you love the draft. I'm a Packers draft purist
because I love the Packers draft.
I'm there for hey, here's who I want the.
Packers to draft. And then once you go to a

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different team, you're kind of dead to me unless we pick you up
again. Sure, kind of how that works.
Fair enough, Fair enough. If you go to the AFC and I liked
you in college, I will continue to like you in the NFL.
But if you go to like the 49ers,I don't care if I liked you in

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college, you're dead to me now. Or if you go to the Vikings,
like I know it's not your fault that you got drafted to the
Vikings, but you're dead to me. You could redeem yourself by
refusing to sign your second contract and and demanding a

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trade to the Packers. That would redeem you for me for
sure. Big time.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Look, I am who I am, all right?
I'm a I'm a Packer backer. Packers homework to my heart.
I can't help it. I love 99% of draft prospects up

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until the day they're drafted and then as soon as I hear which
team they went to, aw. You're dead to me.
You're dead to me. There's there's very few guys I
would say Justin Herbert is an exception.
Like I basically was just reallyrelieved that he didn't go to
any of the teams that I super hated and I was happy to be able

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to keep rooting for him and loving him in the NFL.
Again, if you go to the AFC, I'mprobably going to be be able to
root for you regardless. If you go to the NFC, there's
just 15 NFC teams that I hate a ton.
Sorry, it is what it is. That's fair.

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Drew says I care about who went to the other teams to see what
we could have taken instead. I mean, yeah, like that's like,
I call it depression, but I'm absolutely like, I am just, you
know, full face in that 100%. Yeah, I I still, yeah, I'm, I'm
looking at all these draft picksthat the Eagles have taken.
And I'm just like I wanted, Ty. Robinson I wanted Quinion.

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Mitchell I wanted Cooper to Jeanlike that's me to AT Sam LaPorte
going to the Lions. Yeah.
Colson Loveland for Jake. Sorry, who I've never heard of.
That guy, your man crush? No, I've never.
Don't act like you don't still love him.
Do you have a Colson Loveland Bears jersey?

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No yet. No are.
You going to get one? No, no, I don't even have a
golden jersey and I don't think I'm going to get one.
How many Packers jerseys do you have?
Who? Who do you have for?
Who are they? Rogers, Adams, Cobb and Jaw.

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That's it. I, I had, I had Rogers and that
wore out, so I don't have that anymore.
I had Farve, but that was when Iwas a kid.
And so now it's in my daughter'scloset and it's like it is
threadbare. I need to replace that.
I have Cobb and then I'm. I'm wearing love right now.

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Obviously. Yeah, Yeah, I'll probably end up
getting a Jordan love, but I don't I I've got I've got a
better idea for Matthew Golden. Much better idea like a New
Jersey number for him, you're saying or you're going to do
something different to representit.

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Something different won't be a jersey.
I know what it is. You're going to.
I kind of think you're going to gold out your hair.
No, I think it's I think it's pretty cool, though.
JJ will JJ will get to see it offline first before everybody
else. Oh, I thought you're going to
put a picture of something on upyour No.
I'm excited to see this though. No.

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Drew asked did we ever talk about the new helmets?
We did. We, I feel like we talked about
them a lot last week. Yeah, I think so.
And I think it was it last week or the week before and then we
launched into the uniform conversation.
Yeah, I think that was last week.
That was pretty good. So honestly, we we could have

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done another hour or more on that.
We wanted to talk some ball, butI think that we came out of that
conversation realizing that there are more NFL uniform
conversations that we need to have on this podcast.
So we what we did was we were grading color rush, specifically
color rush, not alternates in general, but just the Nike color

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rush unis for all 32 NFL teams. It took us like an hour Wolf
this said Gold should wear Golden should wear Gold contact
so he can be Goldeneye. That's amazing.
It looked like a SIF almost. Yeah, you would like a Darth
Maul. Yeah.

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OK. And then was that the Mark
Murphy minute? That might have been the Mark
Murphy minute. It was the mark.
Oh, oh, this week. No, like last week.
I think that the, the color rushthing was part of the Mark
Murphy minute, was it not? I don't know.
The Mark Murphy minute lasts waylonger than a minute always.

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So that is the beauty of it. That's like when I say you've
you've wasted another perfectly good hour and yeah, you're
sitting here for three hours andit's three.
Yeah, Jake, I'm gonna, I'm gonnalet you make the call.
Do you? Would you rather do the baseball

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thing right now? Because it's, it is gonna be, I
think, really fun. Or do you want to talk about the
Packers family night? Can we do one more thing before
the family night? Oh, you actually had your thing?
Yeah. I didn't know you had your
thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, OK, I think people have seenthis.

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And if you haven't, prepare yourself because it's it's it's
honestly pretty brutal. The NFL did release their
sideline collection. The hats are the hats are here.
Yeah. I haven't seen this.
I couldn't believe what I've seen.

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Green Bays might not be the worst example, but they're still
not great. I don't like this.
So we're we're excited for this.We're going to get them.
So essentially they've just put the logo and tiny text into like
squares and rectangles on the hat left right.
So it'll get taller for us. Squish my window together.

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Yeah, like make your make your browser window more square
going. It's not working now you got to
resize the window you. Will have to tell this.
How to do that? I have no clue what that means.
Like pull the pull the window down so it's not maximized?

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Nope, no clue what you mean. I don't like that hat.
I know that. Or did you say those hats?
Oh. That doesn't look Packers at
all. See, here's the thing.
That throwback GB logo, that that throwback GB logo, the new
thing they came up with, it worked when it was the dark blue

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with the yellow letters. This this doesn't even look like
the right blue that they're wearing on the uniforms.
It's not even close to the rightblue.
Yeah. And then we've got these weird
all white, which I can't, I can't even see.
I hate that less because I can see it less.
I OK, what's your what's your stance on bucket hats and vitals

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in existence? They stink.
By the way, here's a Rams for fun again.
Like, what are we doing? What?
Why are we doing this? That's bad.
Send help. That's really bad.
This is as brutal as it gets. What is this hat team even?
Is that? Is that Denver?
Denver. What is this?

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That's more like the team of bigHat.
You deformed the hat. This stinks.
I don't like bucket hats like OK, OK, OK, OK, here we go Here
we go here we go. Here we go.
This is this is this is all of the hats in in order since 2018.
It 2020 kind of stinks. 2020 yeah, not the big 2023 is

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terrible. I love 2019 A because it's just
it's the color, it's the logo and then they put the year of
the established the year when they were established on the
side. Great, No notes, perfect
sideline gear, like it's perfect.
No, no need to do this. And then 2022.
I think if you want like the alternate cream color thing, I
think it works better for, you know, some teams than others,

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But I like the Pennant Eagles and NFCI like that.
It's something new ish. I have a couple of those.
It's my dad and I have built ourlike collection of all 32 teams
in their hats. I like that.
That was good. Yes. 2023 abomination terrible.
Don't do that ever again. You don't need the 2 tone NFL

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logo. Doesn't have to be that big.
Really dumb. The patch on 20/18 was way too
big on the side. Like what are we doing there?
You can have those fun little accents in 21.
Those really don't bother me that much. 24 was fine.
You have those kind of colors coming down right underneath the
logo. Again, not overwhelmingly
distasteful, but then again, at least the logos are big on all

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these. What are we doing?
What are we doing? Well, isn't it?
Isn't it Kyle Shanahan's fault? It looks so.
He's the one. He's the one that's been wearing
like this style of hat for the 49ers for a while.
This looks horrible. Why is there?
Why do the Chiefs have a grey? What are we doing?

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Yeah. Drew says 125 is by far the
worst. And it's just it's not even
close. God, the Chargers have a Gray
and it's horrible. Oh, my gosh.
By the way, that bee needs to die.
What is that? Nobody wants to see that.
It looks like someone turned a heart, turned a turned a kind of
expressive heart that they drew sideways.

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What is that? It looks like butt cheeks.
It's so bad the bears have a like 2 classic colors.
You put them together and like why would you like shrink?
There's no orange at all. Then the white background looks
terrible outlining the the bearslogo.
This is terrible like this is sobad why do the bears come Gray

(34:55):
with a white patch? Actually that is the first one
of these that I've seen that I don't hate that.
That is pretty cool. It just looks like they put a
postage note on the hat. It looks like a post it note's
on there. If I were a Bears fan, I would
buy that hat, but that's the only one I've seen for any team
that is not atrocious. This is this is absolutely

(35:16):
atrocious. What are we doing here?
What are the what are the air holes of Kanye design that hat?
What is going on that looks likeKanye's shoes that he's been
making his like his his dress Crocs again, that one's like
fine, but again, it's just it looks like someone just put a

(35:37):
post it note with the logo on it.
I don't really like the patch hats.
Where like what these things in the middle row?
What are we doing? What are we doing in this middle
row here? What's with the weirdest air
holes? Guys with really sweaty

(35:57):
foreheads can air their foreheads out.
Like again, I sweat probably waymore than the average person.
So like for some hats, I'm like,well, if it's 90°, I'm not
wearing this hat. So I have hats for that that I
know I can sweat them. But like this is like, I don't,
I don't know what we're doing. Like First off, these right, we
talked about that middle row. But then if you go back up to

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Denver's like this is the most, the biggest abomination I've
ever seen. What the heck is this?
What is this? That is the ugliest.
What is this? It's the dumbest looking thing
guys. So if you're looking for a new
hat, just hope that they have previous versions.

(36:40):
Oh, look at this over at 47 brand.
Look at this. They're doing interesting stuff.
If I'm a Broncos fan, give me that top left hat all day.
Bottom center, bottom center, bottom center, classic.
No problem. No problem with that either.
Like we don't we don't need to do like this.

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You want like, listen, I'm not even going to judge.
You want the cursive like writing with the logo on the
side and it looks like like an actual hat.
Perfect. I don't care.
Works for me. Is this bottom left a little
eccentric for my taste? Sure, but at least it like I
feel like, OK, I'm getting a hatthat I would would like like

(37:21):
it's just the the Philly thing is, it's just such a perfect
encapsulation of like 2 of the last three years being absolute
fumbles and and JJ kind of was out on 2020.
So essentially 3 of the last sixabsolute fumbles.
Now 2022 is elite. That is I have those hats.
Yes, I got them in like Cincinnati and the Giants.

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I love those hats. Those are sick, especially if
your team like looks good with the cream color.
Like if you look at the Arizona 1 from 2022, gosh it looks good
with the cream in it and then the bread.
Looks so good and. Then they but again they they do
something good and they follow it up with with utter trash.
20/20/20 after 2019 and the 2 odd numbered years it's help me

(38:11):
help me understand 2022 we peaked.
I don't know what we've been doing.
Like, I just Drew is making me do people.
Like, actually, you can't even see the Bills logo.
Like, what is that? Doesn't even look red.
That looks terrible. It looks like it's brown.

(38:31):
See where he says cooler heads prevail?
And he's not even wearing the, like, airy, sweaty forehead out
with the holes. So Drew Drew makes me do a A.
It should be $10, he says. The best hat ever is the Green
Bay Packers NFL draft 2016 3930 flex fit new era.

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So I searched this. I might have that.
I searched this and here we go. I don't know which one we're
supposed to be looking at here. This one right here.
I think the highlight is elite. I have this one, you think this
is it? I think it's that 2016 3930

(39:18):
Plex. This is what he said.
But this one, I wear this one all the time.
OK. This one's not the the one
underneath that one that you're highlighting.
I no, I don't like. What does that look like?
That one? Like a weird scoreboard.
Yes, yes, yes. I don't want that.

(39:39):
This one is not bad. Like this year's is not bad,
just especially if you got the pin.
But I'm trying to remember. It's a step backwards from this
one. I had the flat brim of the 2016
NFL draft hat for Green Bay. It was not Gray on the top like
that, but it under on the underneath.

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It had like the holographic logounder the bill.
So I think I still have that somewhere.
There's camo underneath you can't see that is green, gold
and Gray. That would be cool.
Green, gold and Gray camo. I kind of like this one down
here. This like trucker 1.
This one I have in a a flat bro,and then I I like this neon one.

(40:28):
What year was this? Was this twenty?
I wanna say it was 22. No, this is the 2020.
Wasn't this the Jordan Love draft year?
I think this is what I. Have I think it was.
I like this one. I think I found what I have.
I'm pretty sure. All right, go ahead and put

(40:48):
your. This is what I have.
Oh, yeah, this is definitely what I have.
Yeah. I feel like this is the one that
Drew's talking about. Yeah, it's just mine's.
His is his. Has the grey on top.
Mine it's just flipped, but thisis this is what I had.
For sure. Which is like, OK, then we have

(41:08):
logo cool underneath logo hogger.
We're not putting weird stuff onthe thing.
If you don't like the grey, you don't like the grey.
And that's understandable. You could go all green, make it
even better for sure. But like this is fine.
Like we're we're showing the logo.
I don't think it's like an old person like boom or take of

(41:29):
like, Oh, you can't see that. What do you why do you not want
to see it? Tool for this and Derschel are
battling here. Tool for this says I want the
blue and turquoise one. And then Derschel says that teal
Packers hat might be the worst thing my eyes have ever seen.
I think, am I making markers or are you?

(41:49):
Oh, what's going on? I think the the teal just to
have it as a novelty item, I think makes sense.
Am I bringing it to a a game? Probably.
This looks like the Packers and Dolphins joined up to like it

(42:13):
looks like a Seahawks sponsor a farm team Looks like old
Seahawks. Yeah, a little.
That's true. That's true.
And so, yeah. Oh, it's the city hat.
Was that? Is that like, is that like city
Connect? It does say city of Green Bay on
the side of it. Oh, it does.

(42:34):
So it does make sense. So I get that.
Yeah, 'cause you can see it in the city logo.
Those colors are there. So that makes sense.
I see that. Did I, did I pull this up last
week? I really want this.
That's pretty sick. That's.
I want this so much. What I need to do, what I need

(42:58):
to do is get come up with a a reason for people to don't know
to the show again, since we we're not doing mock drafts
right now. And if I can get $1510 donos,
then you, you donate, I'll do a mock draft.
I promise right now I will. Do you think we can get to

(43:20):
donate for a mock draft here in August?
Don't know, but be hilarious. Don't know the don't know 150
bucks. I'm gonna be sick though.
OK, Can we do the baseball thingthough 'cause I yeah, I think
people are going to baseball thing.

(43:41):
I think people are going to be on board pissed.
You don't have to like baseball to like what we're about to do
here. OK, OK.
I don't know what we're doing. Jake and I have really fallen in
love with tear maker. Like, big time.
Yeah. Jake, how much time per week
would you say you and I have spent last few weeks doing tear

(44:01):
maker together? Couple hours per week?
Yeah, for sure. Every single week.
Yeah. So we're doing a tear maker for
Major League Baseball. And what we're doing right now
is we're grading the logos and you, you, you have to set aside

(44:21):
all of your feelings about the teams and be completely
objective about the logos. Now, I think you can, you can
give like an extra boost to one of these logos for looking extra
good on a hat. But we have to be very objective
about this. And as always, whenever we're
doing a tear maker, we always have to decide first what our

(44:45):
tears are gonna be. And I, I just wanna grow it up
there that one of the tiers has to be lazy.
That I, I, I need lazy. Is lazy worse than bad, though?
Yeah. Lazy is the lowest.
It's like you basically open up Microsoft Word and typed in the

(45:05):
letter of your team and then scrolled for 30 seconds to find
a font that worked and then called it good.
I follow this person on Instagram.
She like redesigns logos. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. Does does she have a is is there
is there a logo that she redid that you wanted to show to us?

(45:26):
Not not that I have at the moment, but tool for this trying
to derail us already talking about hockey logos.
Look, the cracking logo is really cool, but we're not doing
hockey right now, man. That's that's later.
We're doing baseball, baseball logos.
We can do baseball jerseys. At some point baseball jerseys

(45:48):
will be flat, but then we have to decide.
We have to decide if we're not. For now, there's the city
Connect as well, but we'd have to decide if we want to grade
those. That would have to be, I think
it's own separate thing. But Dirshel says can we add the
jersey combo with hat? I think there should be a
tiebreaker. Maybe we can do that, yeah, Drew

(46:13):
says. Cincinnati Reds is lazy.
I agree. It's incredibly lazy.
I agree as well. It's also there's a better logo.
It's the identical logo. I know between the Reds and the
and the twins. Yep, it's true.
I I do have here we can kind of decide.
I have two versions I have like this is this is kind of like the

(46:33):
more full like logo versus like this is the simple logo.
And here's the biggest thing to consider when we're trying to
decide which one we're doing is Boston, right?
So with with like the official logo that will like go on a hat.
Usually we've got the the B for Boston versus on the other one.

(46:56):
I don't know if I was sharing a pair of socks right here.
A pair of socks so. Which one do we want to do do?
We want to do. We want to do the, I kind of
want to do the other one, Drew votes for complex, Complex.
Here's the thing. If we do complex, I'm putting

(47:17):
the Red Sox as low as we can go.And if we do official like the
Simple 1, Boston goes a lot higher.
OK. Maybe we got to do, maybe we got
to we got to do both. Maybe the chat petitions for
where, when, when we do an alternate one, right?
So we we can do, we can do the fancy one.

(47:39):
We have one for basic chat. It says as well.
These folks always trying to tieeverything up.
Drew said it first. So we'll do complex and then if
there's a specific team that youwant to do basic, then we'll do
basic. Yeah.
So, oh look, this one already has like fancy tears in here, I

(48:00):
don't think. I think it's fancy tea.
Lazy has to be absolutely timeless lazy.
I don't. I don't know 24. 5 versus the
other one has 6 tiers. Let's let's do says Drew says

(48:23):
he's fine with either after voting for complex.
So if you want to do simple, let's do that.
Well, let's let's do simple thenbecause OK, now we have just
basically just the wonderful forfor simple.
Yeah. Dirchell says any singular
letter is lazy. Let's hold that statement in
mind and go through and see if there's any logos that
contradict. That.
It's a pretty good theory. It's a good theory.

(48:45):
I think there are. The chat has already weighed in
on Cincinnati. Like, do we agree?
Like, since he goes in. I agree.
Yeah. OK.
And then I guess we should do the singular letters.
Philly is as bad as it gets. It's not a good thing.
It's not a good P, No. It also doesn't look much like

(49:07):
AP. It looks like a looks like ATA
little bit a little bit. Yeah, Fishbone.
Texas is not yeah range that that's a pretty bad logo for the
Rangers. Not great, not gonna lie.
It's not a good. It definitely is lazy.

(49:28):
I like that it has multiple colors.
At least it's got all the colorsthere.
But do you think it can go higher than lazy?
Yeah, probably. But OK.
Why won't you just say boring? OK.
Or uninspired. Here we go, uninspired.

(49:50):
So let's see, I think the A's have to go in uninspired.
Yeah, I think the Pirates have to go in lazy.
That's just bad. I don't know.
I, I feel like I like theirs better than the A's personally.
Really. Yeah, kinda.
I don't know. It's got the, their name is the

(50:11):
Pirates and their logo, it's gotspiky.
Like, look, if your name is the A's, like, what are you gonna
do? You just have to do a freaking
A. But if you're the Pirate, you
could have done Oakland. You could have done something
with Oakland. Not anymore, you can't.
Pittsburgh Pirates is all PS:. You're not gonna do PP.
I think that like you have SPL, they've been PP on the field

(50:32):
lately. Just saying like LA and New
York, right. You know, like, what are you
gonna do? Are you gonna do PP?
Yeah, I'm gonna say Tampa Bay. I'm gonna say that the the
Pittsburgh Pirates had to do something pirate themed.
Like, look, just last week we were looking at the Tampa Bay

(50:52):
Buccaneers alternate logo with the big pirate ship.
Do something like that. That would put you in S tier
easy. Can we put someone in S tier?
Drew says PP is in yellow. I know that's what I mean.
They're they're they're behind the 8 ball.
Also the Reds. The Reds had an alternate logo
and I I liked it as well. I know Durstel's saying the

(51:14):
doesn't know why the pirates changed theirs either.
This alternate logo. No, no, they had one.
They had one in the like. I think the 70s.
But. We'll see.
Like like in this one, The pirates.
Yeah. Which one?
The first one, actually. This is not awful.

(51:37):
It's not great, but it's not awful.
This one, No. Should have been the first on
the list. I thought.
Good with that. That inside the sea is better, I
think also. But anyway, we're getting
sidetracked here. We've got a only a few on the
board. I want to put, I want to put one

(51:59):
in S tier right now. I'm, I'm going to say Jake, I
insist as the host that we do the Brewers last because I know
we got a bunch of Brewers in thechat here.
I don't want anybody dipping once we rank them right.
We're going to do the Brewers last.

(52:19):
OK, Can I, can I put one in S tier?
Yeah. Which one you put in S tier?
I think Toronto, I think the Blue Jays is a really nice
looking logo. I really like it.
They get the little Canadian touch there, but it's it's a,
it's a unique looking bird, right?
They didn't go like like the wayof like, oh, hey, there's a bird

(52:42):
we could copy. Let's just do that, right?
I feel like it is a distinguishable bird and they
put the Canadian flair on it. That's where I'm at with the
Blue Jays. It's not my favorite, but I've
seen enough people consistently ranking the Blue Jays as one of
the best logos in MLB that I'm not gonna argue with it.

(53:03):
It's not really my favorite, butI, I can objectively acknowledge
that the general consensus is it's great.
So I'm kind of putting that as abig fan, big fan of them, I, I
think. I I've always really liked the

(53:27):
angels. I agree 100%.
That's that's where I think it breaks that single letter thing.
Yeah, yeah. I think this is the one that my
mind went to when Derschel said that a single letter was lazy,
'cause they did, you know? And it annoys me that it's like
all clipped off right there. I'm gonna, I know this one.
So you can see really good. It's really the whole thing.

(53:49):
Just really well done. Doesn't have to be, doesn't have
to be too crazy. Get something a little extra in
there. It's not just writing the letter
out like I'm I'm in all the way in.
I think it kind of doesn't matter which of the Mets logos
you use. They're terrible.

(54:10):
First of all, this, this logo for the Mets is like basically
just a much worse version of theYankees iconic logo.
Yeah. It's like, can I copy your
homework? Yeah, just make it just shift
the Y down a little, replace theY, straighten out the N Yeah.

(54:31):
It's like they the Yankees have a straightened out Y, Right.
And and then, then they've got the like the ends a little
curved. And the Mets were like, why
don't we just switch those two things on our 2 letters?
Yes. And shift the Y down a little
and it's like 100% correct. Yeah.
Yeah. Not great. close.
Nice. Logo man.
Drew said Toronto is good. Hate to compliment the

(54:54):
Canadians, but that's good. And then Derschel said they're
sending too much wildfire smoke down here so they get downgraded
to AI. Will just say Derschel and I did
what what sport was it that we did good Canada was that it was
it was hockey. Yeah, there was hockey, Yeah,
good. So we we were, we were putting
all the teams in various tiers and we had good Canada and bad

(55:16):
Canada and. So that was fun.
That was a top five. After the show ends, we keep
talking for forever. Moment was good candidate
backhand. All right, Dirchell wants to
rank the Diamondbacks. So he says Diamondbacks are S
tier an A that's also a snake. But he he's the one who said if

(55:38):
it's just a single letter, maybehe's saying that it's not just a
single letter because it's also a snake.
Here's my problem with it is. My problem with it is that it's
an A and like do the D for Diamondbacks.

(56:01):
It's weird that. Like you're kind of you're kind
of screwed if you ever try and move the team to a different
city. They do have AD.
Yeah, yes. It's not here.
No, it's not. They do have one.

(56:22):
This one, yes, yeah, I I think Ihate it.
I think, but it's it's it's not bad, but I hate it.
Do you like the do you like themgoing back to the teal like they
had with the teal in purple or are we out on that?

(56:45):
It's it this that's a hard one for me to answer because I am
not from the Southwest region and so I'm nervous to comment on
anything about the Southwest culture.
But like, to me, these colors are a lot more Southwest than
these colors are. This feels more Cal and this

(57:09):
feels more Arizona. Yeah.
This is like Cali slash New Mexico and this feels Arizona to
me. They did do the top right one
just. Scared to say.
That to try and get more of a snakehead look with DV in there.
Yep, they did try that out for size.

(57:29):
This is an official logo. Yeah, it's been on their sleeve.
I guess I get it. I get it.
OK, so Diamondbacks and it's a snakehead.
Yes. Yeah, it's OK.
I don't love it. I appreciate them trying things

(57:49):
because I think they know that they need more than the A.
So kind of like the trying stuff.
I like the trying stuff. Where's where's the girl you're
talking about? Who did who did did she do a
redesign of? You know, I will.
I will say I've always liked this when it just does D backs

(58:09):
like this. That's pretty good.
Yes. I kind of want to do your
Diamondbacks logo redesign concept.
Let's see, we'll find something in here.
Oh, bad, bad, bad, bad. See, now this is not bad.
She did a Pittsburgh Pirates, did she?

(58:33):
You want to send me the link andI'll put it on screen?
Yeah, I can send you it. This I don't hate.
This is good. That's that's scary.
OK, I like that you they got thefangs on the A&R.
That's pretty good. I think I would have liked to
have seen the Z kind of bigger than the other letters and kind

(58:55):
of take ownership of that word alittle bit.
Do you like this? This one?
Yeah, I I don't. I like that.
This one's got the fangs. It's got the fangs coming out
with the A and the R and the A. Yep.
I do like that this one's not awful.

(59:18):
Yeah, that's got some. I think this is my favorite
right now, Dirchell said. Their stadium is fantastic.
I've never been there. We need Bruce Edmonds in the
chat here because he lives down that way.
I think. I really don't like this D where
it's just the snake. That's not my favorite.

(59:43):
All right. Did you send me that thing yet?
I haven't 'cause I'm trying to get you can sign into Insta on
my This is terrible. That's just bad, He says the A
with the snake is too much focuson the snake.
Yeah, that's true. It is.

(01:00:06):
Oh, here's way minimalist. That is awful.
This, this is way too complicated.
And then down the corner here, this just looks like a really
short snake. It looks like a slug snake.

(01:00:33):
We should get we should get rolling.
I was waiting for you to send methe link.
I thought you wanted me to put the link on here.
I'm doing my best. We can go back to to the
rankings. So all right, so AI can't put I
can't put Arizona in a tier. This is like I I can't go higher
than B tier. All right.

(01:00:58):
Where would you put this one? I think I, I just don't think
it's very good. I think that's fine.
So if we're doing for Boston, ifwe're doing the this beat, we
need to, we need to put the Metson there.
They, that one stinks. Put the Mets on.
So I think that the Mets has to go in uninspired.

(01:01:20):
Yeah, it's I think we, we kind of need a a stupid deer though,
don't we? I think stupid's a worse word
than uninspired. OK, I'm fine with that.
I think uninspired and then stupid.
So then I think the Mets go in stupid because it's it's clearly

(01:01:40):
just a RIP off of the Yankees logo.
But I also want to let's let's look at their other logo and
laugh at it because this is evenworse.
Somehow this is worse. Hey, I'm looking around here.
I'm trying to figure out who's who's is better Chris the casual

(01:02:00):
N This is the problem, JJ. You're trying to put tear maker
MLB night on a Packers show and I just don't just don't know.
I think I think we got to we gotto keep pushing through this so
we can get to family night. All right, look, since we are
not 1/3 this one, this CR is terrible.

(01:02:21):
It's just it's not good because you can't see half of it and
then KC is the exact same. It's they're identical logos.
Yeah, yeah, that's the Dodgers are a terrible logo that like I
guess you're gonna put the classic LA like that.

(01:02:42):
OK, I'm gonna put it in uninspired for you.
I mean it's yeah, I know. OK.
I think that the White Sox have a fantastic logo.
I I think it goes in. In 8 here.
Yeah, yeah, I don't mind puttingit there.
It also looks fantastic on a hat.

(01:03:02):
It does. It does indeed, Drew said.
The Guardians are stupid, but we're not judging the name,
we're judging the logo. I see what they're trying to do
here. Could they?
Is this the only 3D logo? I think it is.

(01:03:24):
So they get points for being theonly three DI think yeah, I
wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't call cause the Rangers aren't 3D.
That's just like a drop shadow. It's just kind of yeah, it's a
shadow. I think I'm, I'm gonna give an
extra half point to Cleveland for like their new block C logo.

(01:03:46):
So they they had an old one thatI really hated, which is right
here. But now they've got like the
angled one. Yeah.
So I'm going to give him an extra point for redoing the C
and making it, making it interesting, as you said, the
kind of 3D look. I think I think they could do
better with it though. I do think they could do better.

(01:04:07):
I'd probably put it in B, but like, I think I think there's a
lot of potential there with that.
I think they could take a peek at a redesign soon.
And, and, and as you said, it's like a it's 3D and I think you
could even you could take it up a notch.
There's a lot you could do with this to make it better.
I think so. I mean, for starters, give them
a better. I think it's better than it's

(01:04:28):
Yeah. I think it's just, I'm not
uninspired at all from that. They're they're trying
something. They're trying something kind of
like the Diamondbacks are tryingstuff that teal.
They're trying to. Yeah.
Speaking of something where theydidn't try anything, Padres, you
can barely see this SD. Yeah, it's funny.

(01:04:51):
I think it's the same on the other one, isn't it?
I think it is. Let me check.
Yeah. We can't do that.
Yep, it's there. My goodness.
I don't have a secondary. Yikes.
At least like the Rockies and the Royals and their secondaries
are like, oh, you've put a crownon the Royals thing.

(01:05:11):
That's good. You put a mountain in the
Rockies thing like they tried something else with the other
logo. San Diego says nothing was
terrible for both of them, but they San Diego just said, no,
we're we're fine. Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh goes, ah, you know, keep the P going, not the PP

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Detroit. I think that this D is is pretty
darn classic. I'm in.
I think it goes up in S tier. I'm all the way in.
Yep, I'm with you. I think it is a better single
letter logo than the Angels, which is yeah, yeah, I would
think so. Tool for this says they could
have at least had a Friar playing baseball or something.

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They would have if it was minor league, but Major League has to
be a little more buttoned up. I.
Guess. OK, you want to be
controversial, Let's let's rank the Yankees.
Where's the Yankees logo go? I think it's, I think that's a
good spot. I think I think B is about right
for it. Like it is.

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It's very classic. But if you tried to, if you
tried to propose it as a logo today, nobody would could take
you seriously. I mean, it's kind of like what
the Twins tried to do. The Twins, the Twins have a
couple of things going against them.
One is it's just the Cincinnati Reds logo 2 and the Texas rings.
Nobody looks at that. And if you are not, like,

(01:06:35):
familiar with the Twins already,you look at that and you,
there's no way to tell what teamthat is.
You would not think Twin Cities.You just wouldn't think it.
It's not gonna come to mind. You didn't know them at all.
For starters, you would think about the Chicago Bears.
You would think it's TCU, and then you'd think Cincinnati
Reds, TCU or Traverse City. Yeah.

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So I think this is going in stupid for me.
OK, it's not lazy, but I think it's no.
OK. The Giants, though, they go
right in. Lazy tear.
It's like what LA did, but worse.
Yeah. All right, I'm going to make you

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do the Cardinals. You got to be objective.
You have to be objective. I think that's as low as the
Cardinals one goes, but I wouldn't like, put it in a or
anything. I like the birds on the bat and
the other one. Let's look at the birds in the
back because that's that's, that's the good one.
This is that's the one top row. I don't see it.

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Just to the right. There it is.
That's that's what I'm talking about.
That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
I think we can give him an extrahalf point for this.
I love that. Give him an extra half point on
that one. So we'll we'll split the
difference. So so you want to put him in B
tier? Yeah, I think it's fine.
I think you can go that route. Tampa Bay goes in Lazer, flip to

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the tab. Oh, sorry.
There we go. All right.
Tampa Bay Saint Louis in B tier.Tampa Bay goes in lazy.
Lazy. That's as bad as it gets.
Yeah. Washington Nationals.
Someone, someone, someone mentioned this, maybe told for
this, said Walgreen. Walgreens had a team.
Yeah, yeah. There we go.
You know what? Since it looks like the

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Walgreens W they they can't evengo in lazy.
They're going in stupid. What's worse, lazy or stupid?
Is it better to not try anythingor to try something dumb?
It's better to try, I think. OK, I think it's better to try
something so they at least go upand stupid because they tried

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something. Yeah, they tried something.
The only thing that the Cubs logo has going for it is that
it's it's got a lot of nostalgiafor people who liked being
miserable for 80 years. It's a it's a pretty uninspired
logo. I'd probably put it next to
Saint Louis, but I understand where you're coming from there.

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OK, but do you really think thatthis belongs in the same tier as
Diamondbacks and Guardians? Maybe not, but I don't think, I
also don't think it belongs in the tier where teams just threw
letters on there. It's one of only two teams where
they put like the whole name of the team in the logo and it's

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still not interesting. But the Sox and the Cubs where
they just put the whole name right in there.
And with both of them, their, their logo has nothing to do
with what they actually are. It's just letters and it's and
they're both from Chicago. I can't I can't put the Cubs in
the same tiers like Texas, Oakland and San Diego.

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But I don't know, I just feel bad about the Guardians and the
Diamondbacks and the Yankees being in this tier.
But I can live with it. I can live with it.
All right. You're like a a closet Mariners
fan. Where do you want the Mariners
logo to go? Like, props to them for at least

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putting a, a, a compass in there.
Yeah, that's. And that's why for me, we have a
letter, we have a letter, but wedid something with the letter.
Do you want to just again, you got rid of C, you could put
Saint Louis and the Cubs in C and just make another one.
And uninspired is just lower. Oh.

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You see what I mean? What could probably if you want
to add AC back to it so you thenhave your separate to your?
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I think that's that's
probably OK. I think that looks better where
it's like I I agree with you. I think the Cubs not quite on

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the ones above, but then I kind of want to put the Mariners in C
or I mean in BI put them at least in B let's go with BI
would put them at least there. Yeah, I don't I can't put them
higher than the Guardians. I think it's better than the
others and the ink below. Them but.
The Astros logo is just terrible.

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They're like some, they're like kind of ripping off the Mets.
Do you have anything positive tosay about the Astros logo?
Does it do it for you? It does do it for me, but I'm
good with. Wherever you want to put it.

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Where would you put it? Probably in B for me.
You put it in BI. Would I can't do that.
I could do like, it's not as good as the Mariners logo.
Do you like the old one better? Let's let's look at the old one
here, the one they had from like, I don't know, to like

(01:12:06):
2012. Want to say, yeah, I like it
better. OK, that's the good one.
It's going back to those colors that they used to wear.

(01:12:27):
That's why I like the logo currently.
Sure, 'cause they, I, I, I thinkI agree with you that the
previous logo with the star is better, but I don't like the
colors. Did you realize Dirshel, that's
his shoe? He has a Cubs tattoo.
Cubs tattoo Trying to stay composed Trying to stay

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composed. Jake loves the Cardinals, so
it's hard for him trying to staycomposed again.
I've, I've, I've surrounded the city of Chicago with my sports
teams, Drew said. For those Rs tier, I like the
bird and like I I like this Orioles logo and I like their

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old one with like the the more realistic bird even better.
Do you disagree with having the OS in S tier?
I wanna Oh yeah. Oh, I like this older one.
That's right. I forgot about this.
Man, that's nice. You're you're looking at Orioles

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or I'm looking at old Orioles. Lo, yeah, this is so this one's
good. And then I like, I like the one
with the diamond. I agree.
This is class from them and theystill sell and wear a ton of
stuff with this logo. I think it's actually still just
an official alternate logo for them.
Good. They dad gum better.

(01:13:59):
This they use they use this one all the time.
OK, this bird. So I mean, I guess they did have
this logo back in the day. They just they brought.
It yeah, they've had this one for a long time.
I mean, the 1966 is when they debuted it.
I like them more than they use. They use this one and they use
this one all the time. Like they you can go buy current
like the more hats with this, I like the more noticeable orange.

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I don't need the faded orange asmuch.
I like that, you know, stronger orange color.
Well, the stronger orange is is new.
That's been since I like that. I do like that.
Yeah. Even with the diamond in the
background, they have enough orange where it's not like it
almost looks like with the otherones, if it was on there, it
would blend in with a diamond. So that's good.

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But I am, I'm big. I'll put the OS in S tier.
Yeah, The more I yeah, the more I look at these, the more I'm
just I'm all in like like they have to get American League's
doing some good stuff. They have what is this?
They really do. They are.
They are what? What is that?
Most of the worst logos are in the National League.

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Eight of the top nine are the American League.
Boy. National League, Yes, step up
before we move on at all. Here's Dirchell said that he's
got. He said the tattoo is the old

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school cubby bear logo. I don't know which one he means.
It might be the blue with like that tannish brown is what he's
talking about. Oh, maybe, maybe this one right
here is exactly. This is not bad.
This is actually a good logo. Yeah.
I'm surprised. I like that one.
Keep that. Yep.
Surprising. They should.
It's it's easily their best logo.

(01:15:51):
At the very least, it should be a patch on the jersey if they
don't want like it. But like, yeah, 100%.
Oh, Drew says Brew Crew won again.
Let's go, Let's go. All right, All right, on the

(01:16:13):
main event. We're done.
So all right, Astros, like, if you want to put them in C, you
can do that. I have no problem.
I have no qualms. You seem to have a strong take
on this one. I think the Cubs and the Astros,
so both have to go in C OK, but they have older logos that were
better that would rank them a lot higher on here.

(01:16:34):
Yeah, that's true. Both of those all.
Right, all right, one more and we got the main event to close
us out on that one. So Red Sox, you can't go higher
than uninspired. The B is not great and then the
the pair of socks is even worse.This the pair of socks is the

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worst logo in MLB. It's funny because the Reds were
the red stockings and like they could, it could easily be
theirs, you know? So why, why, why do we have
three different stocking teams? That's because I said I couldn't
think of anything else like. They woke up one day and they
went. Wow.
That's like how we got the different the Houston Texans.

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That's how we got the Houston Texans, the Washington
Commanders and the Cleveland Washington, the Washington
Nationals, Washington, Philadelphia Phillies.
That might be the worst name in all sports if it wasn't for if
it wasn't for horses, yes, but they got away.
But again, it it is literally fits the city's name.

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So yeah, that's tough. I think the Marlins get a
significant boost for me becauseof the colors, like their color
combo. Yeah, I'm, I'm digging the, I'm
digging the way they they rebranded that like I would put
them up in. A tier with the Angels in.
Socks, yeah, I think, I think the M actually works with the

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Marlin better than the F did too.
I kind of think the M works so much better.
Yeah. It's just like the IT it looks
like they just kind of like, I don't know, the F is just it

(01:18:28):
almost looks wrong that it's there.
The F and and the M looks just yeah, it's like OK, the the M
just the the new colors are the fin is the the point of the M
right. So like that is another massive
point in their favor of like, oh, we found a way to make the
fin work within the letter. Like yeah, it yeah, look at

(01:18:52):
that. Look at the fin like it's so
that is that is a great detail. Should we bump them up 1 tier or
do they belong an AI don't know.I I still think A tier is high
quality, yeah, for what we have going right now.
And A is where I would, I want to put the Braves as well.
Yeah, I think, I think A works. I think B could work as well.

(01:19:14):
Again, a good, but it's a good one either way.
It's interesting that we have three different A logos in A&B.
You got the Angels, Braves and Diamondbacks and the three
different red A executed differently.
Maybe a lesson out there. You know, the Mets and the the

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Tomahawkins look different. Yeah, that looks.
This is like just the right amount of intricacy.
Like, OK, I think the Kansas City Chiefs logo is really
terrible and they should take some notes from the Braves
probably. Like, like, get about this much
detail in your stuff. Yeah.
Did I show you my favorite Kansas City Chiefs rebrand

(01:19:59):
concept? No, let.
Me see if I can find it there's a bunch of them out there let me
see oh this is good right here this is a good one like it's
it's really similar, but it's just better.
I think what I hate is the drop shadow under the KC.
That's what I hate, that's what doesn't.
Work for me. Oh.

(01:20:23):
Where's the one? It's really similar to this one.
We we can just save this one, but it's it's basically this,
it's the drop shadow that kills it for me in their actual.
Yeah. Oh, these are these are cool.
Have you have you seen these concepts with the headdresses on
the helmets? I have not seen those.
Those are elite. That's clever.

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Like I've seen a few of these attempted, but this is this is
really good. That's the girl who does the
designs right there. Is she?
Oh, she did really good with that one.
We have seen some of her stuff and didn't care for it, but this
one's really good. That's a nice.
That looks cool. So we have a trade breaking news

(01:21:13):
in by the way, NFL trade Packers.
No, not the Packers, but I got really excited for 1/2 second
and then I read the Raiders are trading Jacorian Bennett, their
fourth round pick in 2023, to the Eagles in exchange for
Thomas Booker, a former fifth round pick in 2022.

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Watch the speed, the deciding move that determines the Super
Bowl. If I remember correctly, there
was a lot of lot of talk about Jacorian Bennett in that
Cincinnati game last year when he was going against Chase.
So that can just not be good. Anytime Howie makes a trade,

(01:22:01):
even though they're probably only 50% successful, I'm still
concerned. He's kind of the anti Andrew
Berry, which is why his team wins Super Bowls.
And Andrew Berry's does not. That's that's a great call.
It's why Andrew Berry's teams are like in position to

(01:22:21):
potentially get the number one overall pick, but then it
wouldn't matter because they don't own their their first
round pick, right? Exactly.
I really wish I could find. Find the one but.
All right, let's go back to to here.
We got we got the Brewers. I feel like I feel like it's got
to be unanimous. This is the laziest logo.

(01:22:43):
I mean, it's S tier. Obviously I like their old one
better, but this it's it's so good.
It's the putting of the M and the B into a glove that holds
the baseball. Yeah.
Like, we have done exactly what we need to do here.
What else can you say? I did.
I did like this one better, really.

(01:23:07):
With the with the wheat. Yeah.
I liked it a lot better, actually, before they changed
it. This was my favorite logo in
baseball. And now, like, it's it's good.
It's very good. It's it is.
It's still probably one of the best.
I mean, clearly, like we we put it in this like you agree it

(01:23:27):
belongs to nest here, right, like these these are all I do
yes, yes, yes, I I'm I'm all theway in on on making a glove out
of M&B. Like they're just there's just,
yeah, there's not much better than it like, and I think like
the those the four at the top are, are really good.
Like the tigers doing something different with the ladder.

(01:23:48):
The top 4IN. Yeah, I think, yeah, I'd maybe
change 3 and 4, but like I, yeah, I, I'm in on that.
It's really good. Will, who said the old M looks
like it would be really nice on a beer can.
And that's literally the name. That's exactly my point.
They need their point. They should have kept it for

(01:24:09):
their own beverage is what they should have done.
They should have, Yeah, at the very least, Brewer beer.
Imagine just getting Brewer beer.
Yeah. And then having Gruer beer
sponsor this podcast. Bruce Edmonds is here.
Give me the main reason for eachNFC North team to win the
division. That's a that's great, that's

(01:24:32):
great. I think I think it's a a good
question. That's a worthwhile question to
answer probably right now. But I'm going to say back on
track, question of the week, Bruce, you do not win D Railler
of the week 'cause you did the opposite.
You are the Railler of the week.So shame on you.

(01:24:52):
I think the Vikings is probably the easiest to like, make this
argument for. I'm not saying they're the most
likely to win, but they're the most, they're the easiest to
give you the short answer for, which is this team has a
phenomenal situation for a quarterback to walk into.

(01:25:16):
And if JJ McCarthy, having been able to sit for a year, is a
good quarterback, that's all they need.
Now, I think that their offense has some issues.
I think their offensive line is is not that great.
I don't like the receivers outside of Jefferson, but the
defense is gonna be probably thebest in football or top three

(01:25:38):
best in football. Yeah, I I I'd say top three.
OK, I'd say the Vikings are going to have a top three
defense this year. OK, OK.
Yeah, I think that the Vikings one is, as you said, it's
probably the easiest. It's it's their two first round
picks in 2024. Live up to expectations.

(01:26:04):
Very simple. You said it, McCarthy.
And if they get production of Dallas Turner in addition to
what they already have up front,I think their defensive line is
going to is going to make life miserable for some teams.
I think that I think that Floresand Haffley are both putting on
master classes with not the greatest defensive rosters, and

(01:26:30):
I'm kind of here for it. Yeah.
I agree. Who do they the case to make for
the Lions? Addison's missing first three
games. Who do they have?
They got Addison, Naylor, Jefferson, they sell Rigger.
I think they sell Rigger. Atlanta and Cincinnati.

(01:26:53):
They do not have Rigger. He wasn't.
He wasn't good. Last time I remember Rigger was
in like LA with the Chargers. He didn't have KJ Osborne
anymore either. No, Osborne was in New England
last year, so unless he came back.
That's right. That's right.
No, I, I didn't hear, but I didn't come back.
Ty Felton. So yeah, it's probably

(01:27:15):
Jefferson, Addison, Naylor and Felton then would probably be
their likely top four, unless there's somebody I'm missing.
But yeah, the Vikings one seems the simplest because it's it's
it's it's a lot that need to it.It's important things to be

(01:27:36):
banking on, but it's just to getthose panning out.
It's as simple as that. Yeah.
They don't have much after thosefor Rondelle Moore.
I've heard things about Lucky Jackson.
From their From their beat. But so they'll be in too tight
end a lot. Josh Oliver is going to be on

(01:27:58):
the field plenty, him as a blocking tight down when they
run the football, be under center, play action, all that
good stuff, letting Hawkinson dohis damage as a receiver.
So I don't imagine they'll be in11 a ton.
So yeah, which team's next? Lions, Lions, Lions.

(01:28:20):
The the case to make here is that they probably have the best
roster in the division. They have questions along the
offensive line, but they do havesome good players in there.
The defensive line, again, just depth is a little bit shaky, but

(01:28:45):
I think that their starters are good.
So if they can weather the loss of both coordinators, I think
they'll be fine because it's basically the same team as last
year minus Ben Johnson and AaronGlenn.
So we'll have to see. You know, how important were
those guys? Yeah, I think the biggest

(01:29:07):
question marks for them are likeHutchinson and McNeil coming off
injury, right? Obviously they added DJ Reed.
Sounds like Rake Straw's going to be out for a while.
He got hurt in camp again, but Arnold's going to have to step
up. So yeah, I think that I think
the Lions winning the division is pretty simple.

(01:29:27):
They weather the storm in the trenches, right?
That's about, I think that's about the formula, right?
You might need to rely on TyleekWilliams a little bit more than
you would like to as a rookie. And you're and you're going to
rely on guys like Tate Ratledge early as a rookie.
So if you get you get that squared away right as these guys

(01:29:49):
are getting back to form post injury, seems like it's it's
kind of laid out for him to to repeat.
Are they going to go, you know, are they going to win 15 games?
I don't think so. I think there'll be growing
pains in those spots. But if they have it all together
by, you know, mid season, it's going to be tough catching them

(01:30:13):
down the stretch, Drew said. I think the Lions are said to
have regression to the mean as well.
The biggest area that I would point to would just be that with
all the injuries they had on defense last year, it kind of

(01:30:33):
didn't matter for some reason. Like you're throwing out like
basically practice squad guys atsome points and still getting
good results. And I think that they they they
just had some juju on their side.
That's all it was. And and then also like Ben
Johnson scheming up stuff like amadman for that offense, but

(01:30:55):
they they were gassed like by the end of the season, like they
they had run out of the answers at the end of that season.
I will say this is gosh, this schedule, man, they have a tough
schedule at Green Bay. They had a lot of turnovers last
year. Yeah, that's true at Green Bay,
Chicago, at Baltimore, get Cleveland at home.

(01:31:16):
Then they go to Cincinnati, theygo to Kansas City, they have
Tampa Bay at home where they lost to last year.
The Vikings come to town, then they go to the Commanders and
they go to the Eagles and we're at mid November.
Yep, that could be not not a lotof breaks there.
So there there's going to be again.
Will Green Bay's defensive line test their new rookies their
their young offensive line on the interior?

(01:31:39):
Probably not a lot, you know, unless Wyatt comes out flying
and and and Stackhouse, you know, can find something as UDFA
early. But that Ravens game we're going
to have to talk more about Stackhouse.
He's continuing to express absolutely, But that Ravens game
week 3. Nah, you better be you better be

(01:32:01):
ready with ratledge and and mahogany probably going to take
one of the starting spots already played last year.
So you're going to get tested there, right?
The Bengals obviously aren't going to be 1.
You just got to get one stop. You're going to win the game
4542, right? Like that's pretty much the
recipe there. Kansas City, I will say anytime

(01:32:22):
you have the Ravens on your schedule, like yes, they are
amazing, but it's you're also it's a little bit of a crapshoot
whether you're going to play against Lamar or not.
What do you mean? Like if he's going to be
available, he's he misses time. Like when he's available, he

(01:32:46):
he's no question the scariest quarterback to face in the NFL.
You have to keep your focus on him for all 60 minutes.
Yeah, yeah, he did have, but it's a crap back-to-back years.
back-to-back years and 21 and 22.
But he's only missed one game the last two seasons.

(01:33:10):
Yeah, yeah, he's been on absolute tear.
Lamar is my favorite, dominant last year.
Jordan Love quarterback in the NFL.
Somehow I didn't win MVP. No idea why that was.

(01:33:32):
It's a weird, it's a weird record thing, I think.
But Revtrev says the whole NFC North have crazy tough
schedules. I mean, for starters, they play
each other. I think it's going to be another
black and blue division. Yeah.
If the Bears win the division, what's the case for that?

(01:33:57):
I think it has to be Ben Johnsonsucceeding as a first year coach
with pulling together the offense and defense and not just
trying to scheme stuff up all the time because the head
coaches is bigger than that. Yeah, I think the way that it

(01:34:19):
works well for them is they findsomebody who can run behind that
offensive line at an impressive clip that isn't just gonna isn't
just gonna go, isn't just gonna go through the massive creases,
is going to be able to create ontheir own.
There's good stuff I'm hearing about Kyle Manun guy.

(01:34:42):
I still think I would put money on them making a move for
somebody like Travis Etienne. That would be my guess as of
now. So they kind of do need that.
Again, QB play elevating is likeobviously the easy answer, but I
think them being balanced on offense, I think the defense

(01:35:03):
will kind of take care of itself.
I would expect pretty good things from it.
Dennis Allen I don't think is going to change a ton.
I don't think there's going to be a lot of differences, right?
I think the defensive lines can be pretty much structured
similarly still. Dylan Johnson, right?

(01:35:24):
You still have guys like Edwardswho are good linebackers, but
you know, their their defense hasn't been the issue recently.
And so I don't think, I don't think Alan has to do much as the
DCI think. He just kind of has to keep
things at homeostasis at where it's been.
And then Ben Johnson, you know, is who he, you know, has been

(01:35:46):
billed as this time in Detroit. So, I mean, the downfall of the
Bears for the last five years has been.
More than five years. Has been their inability to put
together a competent offense anddefense at the same time.
We've seen good Bears offenses occasionally and always
coincides with atrocious defense.

(01:36:10):
Yeah. So if they can, if they can beat
the Bears on defense and beat Ben Johnson on offense, you
know, But I don't think Caleb Williams is a good quarterback.
I really like him, but I don't think that he is a good NFL
quarterback. I don't think.
I don't think that that like I, I, I said the whole time leading

(01:36:34):
up to that draft, I would not take him number one overall.
Jaden Daniels was my pick numberone overall.
Caleb was a lot of fun to watch in college.
I really like him as a person and as a player, but I would not
want him quarterbacking my team.I don't think that he has the
skills I'm looking for. I, you know, in the right

(01:36:55):
situation with the right coach and maybe Ben Johnson is that
guy like you're patient with himfor a bunch of years.
Maybe he develops into what he needs to be.
But like, I see a lot more Shudur Sanders and Caleb
Williams than I'd like to see. Gotcha.
And I, you know, I. Go for this, says if Caleb can

(01:37:26):
keep his turnovers down. Hey, last year down the stretch,
yeah, he he did not have very many interceptions down the
stretch. No.
Dershowitz says word on the street here in Chicago is Jaylen
Johnson is more hurt than they are letting on.

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That would be problematic. He's kind of the backbone of
their defense, yeah. That would not be good.
Bruce Edmonds says worse than Fields.
That is not correct. Caleb Williams.
Caleb Williams on a bad day is much better than Justin Fields.
But Fields was worse than Mitch Trubisky.

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They downgraded from Trubisky toFields.
Yeah, I mean nobody and I would I would say Caleb is more on the
Trubisky level, maybe Fields. Obviously Fields is one of the
the better athletes just in general athletes when he steps
on the field, Like, no, that's never been an issue, right?

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He could have been a part of, you know, when Dabel was having
Alan on QB keepers a bunch. Like he could, he could handle
himself in that regard, right? He could handle himself, you
know, doing what Jalen Hurts does as a runner, right?
I think people forget the build of Justin Fields, but I think

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it's passers. I don't I don't think Fields
really has it. Well, his processor was way too
slow and he took way too many sacks and he created sacks.
It wasn't just he was taking Zacks that he should have been
taking. He was creating sacks that
should never have been there in the 1st place.

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Like it's one thing his, his, his like comfort zone was
getting out and moving because at Ohio State he didn't really
have to. And like he chose to at Ohio
State because he knew there was there was a lot of trust in the
protections there, right. Well, Ryan day beat it into him.

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Like just drilled it all day. Like you will plant your field,
your feet and you will stay right, stay right there.
And so, like, when, if you're not getting coached up like that
in Chicago, let's say, you mightrevert back to your old
tendencies because you're not, you know, getting that level of
like drilled in attention to detail, playing the position

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right. And, and when things break down
around you and when you lose trust in what's going on, you
revert back to what's comfortable and what was
comfortable for him being an athlete on the field.
And that's where that, you know,lack of trust, seeing the field.
Combined gets you into running into sacks when you shouldn't be

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and you know it's a snowball that's going down the hill and
you're just not going to stop it.
At that point. What about the and I think about
the Packers or no, go ahead. If you yeah, no, we can do that.
We can we can answer all the Packers.
My Well, I was just going to saygood numbers for Caleb.

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We're getting the interceptions way down.
Like not not just to like good for Caleb, but good for anybody.
He had great interception numbers down the stretch last
year. The sack numbers never got good.
And I don't care. I do not care about the
offensive line. You can blame the offensive line

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for like throwaways and incompletions.
Like sure, that's fine, but like, sacks are a quarterback
stat. Right.
All right, QB hits, yeah, that'san offensive line stat.
Sacks, that's a quarterback stat.
So until he starts getting his sack numbers out of the Justin

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Fields range, I don't see I don't see him turning into NFL
starter caliber. Yeah, I think there's a
difference, right? The the also unblocked
pressures, right, Which if you think about all the sacks taken
last year, you'd think Chicago led the NFL in unblocked

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pressures. They did not.
Was Houston. It's never Yeah, it's never the
case. Was Houston.
Yeah. And again, strouded a down year,
I would have guessed that he he at least kept things afloat with
all those unblocked pressures, Right.
So, yeah, I mean and, and, and most unblocked against 4/4

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rushers as well, Houston. So I'm I'm sure the Bears were
higher on the list, right? I'm sure they were up there in
the list of that. But there is a difference right
now between how Stroud and Williams operate.
And Stroud has the level of confidence, trust, internal

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clock in the pocket of knowing when to subtly make moves when
he needs to. Whereas the other kind of gets
into the 2015 early 2016 Aaron Rodgers deal, which is kind of
what we talked about last Augustwith Caleb was like, if he
becomes 2015, 2016 Aaron Rodgers, where it like on paper

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the numbers look OK, right, Touchdowns are fine, low
interceptions, right, because hedoesn't put the ball in harm's
way. But he doesn't trust what he's
seeing in the pocket. He doesn't see it on time.
And then that trust that that mistrust leads to him trying to
do too much ad limbing off script stuff.
And that as we talked about the fields you run into Sachs doing

(01:43:22):
so. So he cannot continue down the
Aaron Rodgers 26201520 early 2016 path and expect better
results. What I need to see from Caleb is
I need to see a much better pocket presence and an awareness

(01:43:42):
of when to get rid of the ball or when to check take the check
down. I need to see him clearly
comprehending everything he's seeing in front of him from the
defense and actually knowing where his guys are on the field
and, and throw it with anticipation.

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So you know, that's going to result in a much higher
completion percentage and much fewer sacks.
I want that pressure to sack ratio to go way down and
comfort, right? You get into rhythm, you're
making those anticipatory throws.
You're multiple times in a row, you start to settle in and you
start to like get into a zone where you, you, the, the game is

(01:44:23):
moving slower for you. And it didn't seem like the game
was moving that slow last year. It felt like the game was, you
know, maybe a 1.25 speed a little bit last year.
So all of that to say, like it can, can happen.
And I, and honestly, if you're Caleb Williams believer, I don't

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think you, you should be expecting it immediately.
By the way, I don't think we're coming out here throwing 6
touchdowns on opening week. I also don't think if it's a, if
he struggles early, it's not theend of the world.
It's a new scheme. It's a new head coach, right?
New offensive coordinator, new design by all the chance.

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He did 0 support from the coaching staff last year.
And that is that is a horrendousthing to be coming into.
I have no idea what exactly Ben Johnson's walking into, but from
all we've heard, right, it couldbe walking into a guy who needs
confidence built back up, right?And that's not going to come in
training camp. I'm sure that's the case, right?
I'm sure that's the case. Like knowing what we know about

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Caleb and his his personality, that dude right now needs to be
built up in the big way after last season, right?
And so where, where do we, wheredo we start?
We start with Minnesota, right? That's not a great place to be.
You know what, it's the IT is a Vikings defense.

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If the Vikings defense like completely breaks Caleb
William's will in week one at home and he never recovers from
it. And therefore I get to continue
to watch the next generation of bears suck.
I, I I would. Definitely say thank you to the
Vikings for that. In fact, I would.

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I would take the Vikings winningthe division in exchange for.
Them doing that? As as we often do, as we often
talk about litmus tests, I'll beinterested to see where he's at
when they face the commanders inWeek 5.
When is their bye week? Is it week 7?

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It's week 6. OK, it looks like, Oh no, no,
wait, no, it's week 5. Sorry.
Yeah, it's week five, Week 5 by week.
So like who do they play in week7?
Then Week 7 would be the Saints,Week 6, the week after the buys
the commanders of Monday Night Football.

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And who is Week 8? Baltimore.
That's where I was going to put the litmus tests.
I think if you start to see someimproved stuff by that Baltimore
game, I think you know that. OK, He's picking it up.
The confidence is there. We're starting to see some trust
out there, right? Like the whole unit as a as a,

(01:47:15):
as a whole is executing better. I, I think they're going to be a
lot of Packers fans and that's fine.
Hey, you want to dance on the grave of the Bears, Feel free.
That is your right. If they struggle on Monday night
against the Vikings, I would be very, very careful tweeting like
The thing is over. OK, now again, I could be stupid

(01:47:37):
and very wrong and it could be over.
But man, 365 days ago we thoughtBryce Young was bad and would
never recover. So I would just be, I would be
very careful. Yeah.
Bryce Stone's not football game.Bryce Stone's not dead yet.
I'm still no, I don't think he'sJerry's.

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He Jerry's still out on him. Other than the Rams, he pushed
the Eagles to the limit the mostdown the stretch.
That's it. That's those those are the
teams. Those are the teams Sailor get
catches. The football, They're the last
team to beat the Eagles. Drew asked.
And he did it in their building.So I I think Young's going to

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find it because again, the the JJ, they had the Carolina, it's
the same problem like just ineptcoaching, inept front office,
terrible support, everything, yeah, everything was horrendous
the first last offseason. They go get the offensive line
fix. They said, I don't care.
We're overpaying for guards don't care.
We need to have some level of protection out there.

(01:48:41):
You know, Adam Thielen's helpinghim out, right?
He's he's getting guys like Jalen Coker, the football down
the stretch and, and, and I think he's going to find it.
Do I think he's going to be, youknow, all world?
Do I think he's going to reach elite QB status?
Probably not. But I do think he is going to be
in a position by the end of year3 where you go, OK, yeah, this

(01:49:01):
is this is his team. Like it might be one of those
teams where kind of the ingredients need to be all there
for your perfect dish by February.
But I don't think he's going to be holding him back kind of, you
know, like 5 years from now. Like looking back on him kind of
this exact same way that we lookat Kyler Murray right now.

(01:49:23):
Could be like, I was thinking something like a little bit of
Russ sometimes where not like the Russ cook, not his MVP level
moments of Russ, but like kind of the early Russ where it was
like, yeah, no, he made all the right moves.
He, he's doing everything right on the offense.
He's not hurting them in any sense of the word.

(01:49:43):
And he's just kind of just pushing the train along or
helping push the train along. Kyler's an interesting one.
I think. I think Young sees the field a
little better. But I get where you're coming
from in that sense, too. I feel like I don't think that
Bryce Young has a high NFL. Ceiling.

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But if he can operate at his ceiling most of the time, kind
of like like Andy Dalton kind ofoperated at his ceiling all the
time. He just had a really low
ceiling. Sure.
I could see him kind of having like an Andy Dalton career,
could see that, which is like nothing to sneeze at.

(01:50:25):
I mean, Andy Dalton made himselfa really nice, living out,
totally respectable quarterback.Yeah.
Like obviously, like Bryce has an extra dimension to his game
with his feet that Andy never had.
But still, like, just from a ceiling standpoint, I just don't

(01:50:50):
know that we're ever going to get to the point where you see
the Panthers on the schedule andyou go.
Bryce Young. Like, I just don't know that
you're ever going to get to thatpoint in his career.
But, you know, five years from now I, you know, like, you know,
maybe Bryce Young is often like,in the Pro Bowl conversation

(01:51:15):
from really nice stats and like,you never, ever would think
about the Panthers, like trying to upgrade the position.
Yeah. But also, nobody outside of
Carolina has them in like Super Bowl contender status large
because of the quarterback. Yeah, I think that's fair that

(01:51:37):
that's just kind of how I view like Kyler Murray and Andy
Dalton, except that Kyler has those.
Wow. I mean, I'm not even gonna say
days like stretches, wow. Stretches where maybe he'll like
he'll go on like a four-game heater where you're like
certainly. Oh, Dang, like, is this
something you know, and and you start comparing him to Mahomes,

(01:52:00):
like Kyler has been compared to Mahomes for forever, right?
Yeah, but his heaters are usually like for four games and
then he cools. Back off again.
Yeah, tough place, Tough place for our guy MHJ to be the Kyler.

(01:52:23):
Yeah, it's tough. Hopefully, hopefully we get
hopefully they get back on tracka little bit this year.
So that'll be exciting to see. All right, so that for the
Packers, though, the case for the Packers, do you want to make
the case or do you want me to make the case?
You can start if you'd like. So I, I would say the case for

(01:52:46):
the Packers is that they actually hit their potential
because we just like never saw their potential last year.
I came on here one year ago and I said the Packers should win 13
games. They were going to play in the
NFC Championship Game. That was my prediction for them.
And then like I would say I think that they played like crap

(01:53:09):
for the whole year and are just a talented enough team that the
fact they were playing like crapmostly didn't matter.
And except for when they were going up against great teams.
But they went one and five in the division should have gone O
and six. They got swept by the Eagles,

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Vikings and Lions and should have gotten swept by the Bears.
And the Bears were not a good team last year.
Bears team was so bad last year that they got their head coach
fight. So and and I I lay most of the
blame for last season at the feet of the wide receiver room
and the offensive line. And going into this season, it's

(01:53:57):
it's just shaking a lot of my confidence in again, the wide
receivers and the offensive line.
We've addressed both, but now I also have questions about the
cornerback room and the defensive tackle.
Room. And the depth of the defensive
end room. So if they just show up, which

(01:54:19):
like too frequently in the Met Lafleur era, this Packers team
goes through stretches where they just don't show up.
Tool for that says potential andhealth.
The only thing that has stood inthe Packers way last couple
years is the Packers. That has been true ever since
Matt Lafleur got here. I would say 20-19 would be the
one exception of like it felt like they were out playing their

(01:54:42):
talent level. And then I think 2022 was maybe
the year where you looked at theroster and said maybe this
roster isn't that good. But again, like they mostly were
holding themselves back. And I, I really felt in 22 that
the, the biggest issues were Rogers and the wide receivers

(01:55:08):
were not playing well enough. And that's kind of been an issue
ever since, with the exception of the second-half of 2023 of
just like the the passing game has not really been enough.
Now, last year, it's you hadn't injured Jordan behind a bad

(01:55:31):
offensive line throwing to underperforming wide receivers.
So Drew says Packers really needGolden to make an instant
impact. I think that's, I think are you
concerned right now about what we're seeing Jaden Reed in

(01:55:51):
trading camp? No, not really.
I think if it I think if we see the back half stretch Jayden
Reid to start this year, I thinkthat's when the concern is going
to set in more. So like I think he's he's proven

(01:56:13):
he can he can kind of jump out the gate and like go make an
impact. And if you know, Golden and Reed
are going to be sometimes out there as your two guys and 12
personnel, so be it. So I I think like, yeah, I think

(01:56:33):
it's, it's it's kind of similar what you're saying.
It's like if, if, if guys that Ithink that Green Bay at at this
point, we're hoping that they drafted that would, you know,
get to another level. If they get to another level,
OK, off we go to win the division.

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I don't think they they don't need that like everywhere, but
they need it with the front 4, the front 4 must and the guard
spots need to hold up and and sort of start paving, you know,
start paving. I'm still super nervous about
both of those holes, which I think is is very fair.

(01:57:18):
I feel like I I'm I, as I said, I was more in on the Hobbes
signing than banks just because again, but goody has done this
where it's like, you know, this guy looks more ascending than
what he's proven already. And again, the quicks and all
the power and stuff is is there.I think the quarterbacks have

(01:57:42):
looked really bad in training camp.
Really bad. Not Hobbs so much, I think.
I think Hobbs has been kind of clearly the best cornerback we
have. And like, if he was our
cornerback too, I'd be feeling really fine.
For sure. Nixon, Nixon is terrifying me
right now. And I, I, I, I don't, I don't

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know if Carrington is good enough to be the cornerback too.
I'm, I'm hoping he is. I, I think he's, I think he's
got the demeanor for it, right? Like he, he certainly can carry
himself like an outside corner. It's just a question of like,
this is a lot to put on a seventh round pick, right?

(01:58:24):
Like I know Rashid has done really well for a seventh round
pick. And so we kind of think we have
some secret sauce, but I mean, it's just kind of a crapshoot.
And like, you know, it's, it's going to be interesting.
I, I would give Carrington the chance over Nixon, but you have
to. I don't think Nixon has anything
in the tank right now. Yeah, I just, I, I think you

(01:58:46):
have to, for a guy who's, you know, been here longer, just
hasn't, just hasn't quite, it's not pushed himself across the
finish line that I would like him to push across.
So it's, yeah, it, it's for for the division.
I think the trenches if if, if that takes a step forward, they

(01:59:06):
can win the division. If they want to take it a step
further. The secondary also has to do
that. And the receiving has to I, I
think you have to see kind of redo what Watson did last year
and like the major step up. Dobbs I think has to stay
healthy and Wicks has to catch football.

(01:59:28):
I, I feel like Golden's gonna take care of himself, to be
honest. Well, I, I think the passing
game is gonna be Golden and, andWix like we were, we talked all
offseason about like, hey, you know, if Wix hits, if Wix hits,
I think he is like, from what we've been seeing training camp,
this looks like the good versionof Wix again.

(01:59:48):
I think our top 2 wideouts rightnow are Golden and Wix and then
Dobbs is what Dobbs has been like when he's been good.
Like Dobbs has looked really good in in camp.
I think he's your very, you know, reliable, your third
receiver in that mix. I I'm nervous about Jayden Reid.
I'm nervous about Jayden Reid and I just don't know if it's

(02:00:12):
like. That it's it's camp, you know,
and that you don't have the padson, You're not going up against
other players that you can get angry at like it's your own too.
I, you know, I don't know if he just needs to get psyched up for
a game or whatever, but he doesn't look sharp to me.
Golden is like razor sharp. Wix has felt pretty darn sharp,

(02:00:33):
Romeo super sharp. And then Reed is like, he just
kind of feels like he's just there.
Yeah. Who's that?
Who's that? That young new guy we just got
brought in in the White Out room?
Will Shepherd, will Shepherd? Will Shepherd and Mikko Hardman

(02:00:55):
feel like they care more about what's going on right now than
Jayden Reid does? To be honest.
By the way, I've been saying since we signed him, Mikko
Harden is making this 53 man roster.
He's going to be your wide receiver 6 probably over Maliki.
Yeah. And I'd like to see Hartman be

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the return man. Yes, yes, I would agree.
Tool for this said they need to start taking Reed off of returns
entirely. Absolutely none of your starters
should be on returns. For sure.
Don't even. Don't even you don't know why

(02:01:40):
we're doing practicing him with her.
Yeah, I don't even want to like.Oh, perceived starter because
he's not the starter in 12 personnel.
Jaden Reed isn't. I don't care.
He used to. He would be a starter in 11
every time. There's no reason, no reason to
mess with that back there. You have other guys.
Miguel Harbin's in here right now.
You have Keyshawn Nixon in the building.
You know he can do it. Like what?

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And I know Nixon. You know, you're worried about
the depth of corners, so you don't want to have him doing
that. You have like how many receivers
do they have in camp find when they can do it and go that makes
the back half of the roster, right?
Like that's that should be the guy that should be one of the
biggest goals for them right now.
Do not bother with Reid back there.
If they put golden back there, I'm going to explode.

(02:02:23):
Maybe live on this show at some point.
Like we don't need Wicks, you know, potentially shattering
confidence. He's working to catch the
football by trying to have him catch punts and kicks.
Like, I don't want any part of that either.
That's 100% you're you're makinghim a worse receiver.
Yeah, just leave him alone. Screw around with that.
In practice, if and also if yourreturner.

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If your returner gets injured, your reaction should be.
Oh no, who's gonna do Returns? For us not Oh no.
Is our offense dead? That should be your reaction
100%. Returner really needs to be its
own position. Like why isn't?
I mean, Savion's got a ton of explosiveness like Savion and

(02:03:11):
Melton like should be involved here for sure.
Is it weird that I'm fine with us having Savion do returns, but
I don't really want him being a gadget player on offense?
I feel like that's really hypocritical of me.
I need to not have that. Not necessarily because I don't

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think I I again, 'cause like my reason for not wanting to making
Cordero Patterson on offense is 'cause I want him to learn to be
a wide receiver. No, yeah, no, I don't.
I don't think that's hypocritical at all.
I think making a big fast guy dobig fast guy things as a
returner isn't going to hamper his wide receiver development.
That's just kind of like a no. Like you have, you're quick and

(02:03:54):
you're fast like you. We've seen make guys miss and
just outrun guys like hey, just do that as a returner while we
fine tune the receiver stuff. I don't think that's
hypocritical at all. I think you can put I think you
can put a lot of these receiversin some of these gadgets looks
like Golden can even get looks this way.
Like if you feel really comfortable, like the Wicks,
Wicks being good allows you to get even more creative.

(02:04:18):
Like Wicks, OK Wicks and Dobbs. You can have them as the X while
Golden and Reed are doing some gadgets stuff that they can, you
know, kind of rotating and out of, right.
You want to get Mikko Harbin on the field, you can do that.
Like they they can do those things, I think without, yeah,
as you said, pigeonholing Savioninto a gadget role because, you
know, other guys are stepping upin the room and there's enough
competition. Like Savion should absolutely be

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getting looks at return. No question.
Consider this, though. I'm I'm going to, I'm going to
describe a player that is Savion.
All right, Third round wide receiver from a Nico Collins?
Oh, Nope. Who was put on returns by the

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Packers and he was pretty undeveloped and it ruined his
career. Did it?
Or did he just kind of stink? But you think that Savion stinks
too? And he wasn't fast or explosive
at all. Well, that's true, right?
That's that's a difference there.

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He wasn't fast or explosive. He was slow.
He wasn't really a primary guy. And I was so mad on on that
offense, right? Like it wasn't like
explosiveness and bursts matter at the receiver position more
than ever. He didn't have any that was such
a bit had zero. He had 0 bit of that.
So Savion at least has that to fall back on.

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And that was a big thing with with Watson.
Watson had that. It was like, OK, he has
something where it's like, if hedoesn't, if everything else
doesn't come together in the fine-tuned ability to be like a
true X receiver, he can fall back on this because he can just
outrun guys and be taller than them ball doing so like that's a
big fall back. And I think Savion's kind of
that similar way where it's like, no, he's he's tall and he

(02:06:08):
can run. Like he he has something where
it's like, OK, I can fall back on this and do some certain
things within the offense where it's like, no, I'm small and I'm
slow. Would you rather try and tack
Earhart perfectly as Julian Edelman?
What I was saying, yeah. Who would you rather try and
tackle, Mario Rogers or Savion Williams?

(02:06:31):
I just would make sure Amari doesn't get to put a shoulder
down. Like just really go for the
feet. They were probably going to say
I I don't think I have a chance to catch Savion anywhere on the
field. I don't think even if I've
squared him up, What if you wereon a scooter?
If I would, even if I squared him up and he was like the
sideline was helping me. I'm I'm pretty sure I'm not

(02:06:52):
tackling him. I don't think I have any chance
Scooter, though. I don't think a scooter.
Turns. I feel like a scooter turns
worse than I do. Like, I need to be on like, I
don't know, I need to be a little like I, I need to be
somehow in like alternate dimension where I'm like I'm on
like rollerblades or something and have the ability to turn

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really quickly while they're also on grass.
Yeah. So like I, I don't know how that
would work. Grass very difficult.
So I just as the pro level was just too much for Amari
mentally. Yeah, I mean, I he was, it was
just. And again, if they were asking
him to wear too many hats, like,and he was getting overwhelmed,

(02:07:37):
they I think that's something where you kind of as a as a
coach, as a coordinator, as a positions coach, you have to be
like, OK, we're we're putting too much on the plate here.
Like, what are we drafting? Lefleur was out on Amari from
day one. He was never interested.
In which? Amari, I think there's something
to this, right where you know you'll draft a player, you'll be
really excited about the player.And then after a few time, after

(02:08:00):
a few looks on the field, you kind of go like you either kind
of go. It's one of three things like
OK, like we've we see the kind of the baseline stuff that we we
thought we saw and now we just work on technique, refinement,
mental stuff and he's going to get there.
There's guys like a Malik neighbors he go, Yep, got it.

(02:08:20):
We're good. Like we can obviously work on
stuff, but he's he's got it likethere's no question, we're fine.
Like I think Nico Collins is a good example of like they saw
something and they were like, OK, he used to make AB and C
steps in order and we're going to get where we want to go.
And then you have the guys who show up and you're like, Oh no,

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we don't we don't got this is this might be over.
Well, also, by so by all accounts that we ever heard,
Amari was a an annoying person in the locker room as well.
Yeah, that's not that coaches did not enjoy coaching him up.
Rogers did not enjoy being around Amari.

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So is that I did like this question here from Drew.
Should we consider a running back like Brooks as a returner?
I think here's the thing. We have a bajillion wide
receivers. So it makes the most sense to
bring your returner out of that room.
And then as far as running back goes, you, you might have a hole

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at running back right now. Like Marshawn Lloyd is on his
umpteenth injury here with us. He's got a groin or something
right now. Like you're, I think right now
you're still trying to find yourrunning back too.
And it's, it's either Emmanuel Wilson or it's Chris Brooks.
And I think Chris Brooks is making the roster.

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I think you have to keep 4 running backs this time because
you cannot rely on Marshawn Lloyd to stay healthy.
He's he has never been healthy for the Packers ever.
You have to keep 4 running backsor cut Marshawn.
Those are your only options. I'm hoping this is wrong, but
like having one year three, Yeah, I hope I agree.

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I I think Brooks has to at this point.
It it Lloyd might be one of those things where you draft
him, you're really excited aboutall the ability and you go
Frick, this guy can't stay on the field, can I?
It might be cooked. Can I admit something?
Basically, once he got his firstinjury, I have pretty much

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forgotten about Marshawn. Lloyd.
I feel terrible about that because I really liked him as a
an NFL prospect, but like, he got his first injury and I was
like, all right, moving on. And, you know, kind of tucked
away in the back of my head. Like I hope he gets healthy and
contributes at some point, but I'm just not sitting around
waiting for that to happen. Drew says we can't even get

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through an offseason without multiple injuries.
That is so true. 2 offseasons. 2offseason injuries each year or
two offseasons. 4 offseason injuries.
That's. Wild.
Yeah. No, it's true.
Opus said I at least had hope when I thought it was Hobbs

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fault he was hurt this time but it turns out it wasn't.
And by the way I think too old for this I think.
Was it you or Dershow? One of you 2 was missing last
week. I think it was Dershow.
Dershow was Yeah. But but last week we we talked
at length about kind of being onHobbs's side here with the whole

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toughness in in camp. Like, like, yes, do what your
head coach says, but also I think your head coach is a
little bit wrong. It's kind of like, hey, you want
to complain about, you know, youknow, like, why aren't we as
tough as filly in Detroit and Baltimore?
Maybe because you're not as that's like, well, then you also

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can't be like, well, why are we hitting people?
Hit someone in a in a in a football, in football practice.
How can we do this? The Lions are out here head
hunting. I don't and I don't condone
that, but they are doing that. The Lions are trying to injure
players in games. There's tape of it.
You got Kirby Joseph trying to take out tight ends, and you got

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James Houston trying to RIP Jordan Love's leg off after the
play is over. Oh my God, what are you getting
on about? Nothing.
Don't worry, it's nothing. Important, yeah.

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But like, I, yeah, I that's, that's kind of where we landed
on that. And so, yeah, I, again, I'm not
going to be all over, dude. It happens one time and we're
all up in arms, like, you know, so.

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But was there anything else anybody wanted to talk about
from Family Night? Omar.
I know Will Shepard made a nice play, but I think, yeah, this is
the big story. Well, it's Omar.
It's Omar and I I would say it'sNazir Stack House, too.
Sure. I keep wanting to call him Omar
Black, I think, because I keep thinking of Henry Black.

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It was also. That's right before us a few
years ago. Yeah.
Omar Brown. I forget who said it.
Somebody said the other day likeOmar is probably our worst
safety, but that's because we don't have any bad safeties.
And then my mind went to our second rounder from 2024.
Other than that. Yeah.

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Wish we had wish we had investedthe type of resources in
defensive tackle and cornerback that we did in safety because we
fixed the safety room. Yep, I still don't know if we
have anything in Luke Musgrave. I guess this this is another one
like everybody is reacting to family night because Luke

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Musgrave had that nice catch andsaying like, oh man, like Luke
Musgrave. I've seen so many Luke Musgrave
tweets this week, last couple days of like, oh man, you guys
are you guys are overrating Tucker Kraft because you're
forgetting how good Luke Musgrave is.
I'm like, when was he good? Yeah, I don't, I don't.

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Yeah, I don't think we again. I I get it, we miss football.
But like, we don't have to get hyperbolic all the time, right?
You better not, you better not end that sentence right there,
'cause if we can't get hyperbolic, then this show
doesn't exist. We can't get hyperbolic all the
time. We we can't get hyperbolic at
every little thing. Like I'm gonna have no problem
being hyperbolic about a guy who's proven that he's good and
you think, oh, he can go to great or elite.

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Like I have no problem doing that.
I have no problem with, even though I didn't think after the
end of last season, like Tucker Kraft, I, I was seeing Tucker
Kraft's the best Titan in the league.
I don't really buy that at this moment in time.
Do I think he can get there? Do I think that's hyperbolic to
say he can be the best tight endin the league?
No, no, I think that's a a, you know, a, a very decently
reasonable thing to say. So I, I have no problem with

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that. Would you say Tucker Craft is a
top ten tight end in the league right now?
I think we have this combo of like, to me, he's in that like
5/6, 7:00-ish range at this point and I'll take that.
Your number one tight end is like the 5th best in the league.
Like, I'll take that all the time.
That's great. Yeah, like I think, and, and
again, that don't forget like some of the guys ahead of them

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aren't, aren't combo players either.
So, you know, probably he might be the 3rd or 4th best tight end
in his division. It's a problem.
Well, that's, that's possible. Yeah, 'cause I would, it's just
a good division to have. It's a good division of, of of
at the position. So, you know, what can you do?
I think I like him a little better, a little better than

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Hawkinson. I think he's more of a complete
package than Hawkinson. He is more complete at this
stage. Is he a better receiver at this
point? Probably not.
But that doesn't mean you can't get there.
I think we've, I think we've kind of shown you like if you
give him opportunities, he can cash in on them.
But again, like the, the Vikingsdon't have enough other

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receiving weapons and they also can't rely on Hawkinson as much
in the blocking game. And so they are using him more a
receiver, yeah, so Wolfen says. I'm still not sold on Musgrave
until I see him in the game. Do anything that is not
detrimental. To the team, I think.
It's, I feel like not be sold. I feel like it's reasonable to

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not be sold. I feel like he does some good
things occasionally but it's like 10% of his snaps maybe?
20% of his snaps. And a lot of the rest of the
time, he's detrimental. He's detrimental if he's out
there as a blocker. And then he's detrimental at
least 50% of the time that he's running around.

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Yeah. And that's not where you want
him to be. That's that's not a good ratio.
And then Jake's concern is he just doesn't think Musgrave has
the tools in his box to be much more than what he is.
Like he's got nice speed for a tight end, but he doesn't have

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he, he, he, he's, he can't turn at all.
He's super stiff. Like if you're, if you're as
stiff as Musgrave is, you need to be a good blocker.
I think you you, you can be one or the other, stiff and a good
blocker or you need to be able to turn.

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Yeah. Since we're talking about this,
I would love to bring this up because great sub stacks should
be following. Remember the tight ends did like
their top did top, you know, tight end rooms in the league

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and Green Bay's obviously on here, right, and I just love
what I I love what's being read here.
I love reading this over and over of like First off, love
this opening sentence. Packers tight end group, besides
through San Francisco is probably the most unpleasant to
face in the league, right? And goes right, right into some
some digs at the folks. I want to hear that about the

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tight end group, the defensive guard group and the defensive
wards. Those are the three I want to
hear that about. Yeah, just like and he goes to
yes, exactly. And and it goes on to say
despite the hype and high draft capital put into Musgrave, this
is primarily Tucker Craft and Ben Sims show.
That's a bloody 3 hours of television.

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Both are big, both are technical, both are violent in
the run game, right. And and I do think, you know,
come going down a little bit further right.
Craft is one of the few tight ends of the game that is good in
line and an above average pass catcher, which I think kind of
pretty much mirrors what I was saying of like once you take off
like the true receiving tight ends, right, your Bowers, maybe

(02:19:28):
even a little bit of McBride as well.
You kind of get to a point whereKraft is among the top select
few combo tight ends in football.
And again, he says, well, he maybe lacks fluidity, change
direction and precision. And I think precision kind of
covers these at this moment as aroute runner.
He's still a great linear mover makes him threat on play action

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pass good zone stretcher, but the runaway train yak ability
says is one of the best parts and it's surprisingly shifty
with the ball in his hands, which is not surprising at all.
If you remember, he started he came into San Diego, South
Dakota State as a running back. So that does not shock me at
all. He has that you know, kind of
again, runaway train stuff wherehe can run you over and it'd be

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shifty. That's all you know, running
back traits that that are that are, you know, working over to
the tight end position. So.
You know, and and to get hyperbolic threaten the screen
game hyperbolic with him too. That's all there right to get
hyperbolic with him too. Like trying to tackle Kraft is

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like watching people try and tackle Gronk.
It's just like ow, that just looks like it just looks
painful. First of all, very ineffective
to try and tackle him and then also painful.
He's just going to he's he's going to truck you.
Yes, 100%. Like, like that is 100 like,

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yeah. And and this last little, little
blurb about Musgrave saying he'sa great raw athlete, which is
100% true. Like that the the detractors
right now and that the ones who are skeptical of Musgrave at
this point are not denying the raw athleticism.
They're not denying the ability to stretch up the seam, right,
to create big plays and to outrun, you know, guys running

(02:21:15):
the pole in Tampa, right? Like he can clearly do that.
It's just a question of like, asa receiving threat, can you do
more than just run up the scene,right?
And and I wouldn't call him, youknow, kind of running a leak
route necessarily something elsethat's kind of a similar thing
essentially where it's pretty linear with the movement.

(02:21:36):
It gets a little curvilinear, but it's essentially a route
with minimal resistance at best,right.
So if if you can't be a precise change the direction player in
in any regard, right, like BrockBowers has already with the
speed, right, like Brock Bowers is insanely precise in detail
with his movements combined withthe explosiveness, right?

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If if Musgrave can't get there and and be an important facet in
one part of this, like it's justhard to see him getting on the
field because as this as greatlyoutlined, like Ben Sims can be
the why and and help a ton in the blocking game, while Kraft
can move around to be a receiverand and Musgrave can't really,

(02:22:20):
you can't really do that becauseMusgrave has to be the receiver
and that kind of limits his route tree and kind of limits
what you can do on offense. So it's it's a tricky spot to be
in. Looks like there's a few more
questions. I know we're JJ.
We're on a lot longer than me had planned too but there are

(02:22:44):
some good questions here. Coach Lynn asks does Lloyd
practice tomorrow? It's a hard read.
Like 5 days ago it sounded like we weren't going to see Lloyd
again for the rest of the pre season and now it seems like
maybe he's going to be back. I'm I'm, I'm going to say no,

(02:23:10):
not tomorrow. I'm I'm going to say probably
for the rest of the pre season. We're going to think he's coming
back like just about every day and.
He's not going to. Yeah, yeah.

(02:23:33):
If there's any hesitation, I I would, I would say this week,
yes, tomorrow unless he has a set back.
Well, yeah, unless there's that and I'm baking that in.
If you are baking that in, then that's very if you're not, then
I think, I think you see it thisweek.
Coach Len asks could Fitzpatrickhelp with the Y or inline tight

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end spot to help free up craft? I.
Mean I that would be Ben Sims. Yeah, Sims would do that.
We have a question from X. We don't get those very often.
I'm thinking about this one, Theresa, the Cubs lost.

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Sorry, Dirsel. Love that.
I I think Fitzpatrick is built like that.
I think I think Fitzpatrick has a better chance than Sims to be

(02:24:42):
a more combo player. Like Sims to me feels like best
is just attached to the line of scrimmage.
You're blocking. You're not going to offer a
whole lot as a pass catcher. Fitzpatrick might be somebody
who can do a little bit more of both, I would say.
So I do think Fitzpatrick can help and and if he and if he
continues to take steps in the development, you could see

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potentially, you know, a little more interchangeable, you know,
players if they want to go into into into 12 personnel.
Like he clearly wants the smoke as well when he's been in the
games and he hasn't obviously been in a ton.
I know he got reps in that San Francisco game when it was, you
know, completely out of hand andhe was still doing some of that

(02:25:25):
dirty work, you know, near the line of scrimmage.
It might have been more ancillary pieces, if I remember
correctly, than like true defensive ends and linebackers.
But you got to start somewhere. So, you know, I think he could
get there, but you know, it justmight take a little bit more
time. Tight ends, a tough one where,
you know, unless you're the guyslike Kraft and Laporta and some
of these guys who and like Kittle who can come in in in

(02:25:48):
quickly a year and a half, two years, kind of establish
themselves as really good combo players.
It's going to take more time. So that's what I'll say for that
one. Appreciate the question, Coach
Lynn, love that one. Always ask good questions.
We got one more before we get out of here.

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Let's do yeah, let's, let's do one more.
Let's do Newt cause oh hold on. What?
Do you have here? We'll we'll we'll play it at the
end. We'll play it at the end.
Got a little function that I sawall.
Right. I like.
That I like. That so Newt?
Newt asks, not sure if this has been asked, but how do you guys
see the wide receiver room stacking up?

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So we did kind of hit on this a bit, but I do think it's fun.
And although we've talked about it a lot this summer, you know,
we haven't included Nicole in that conversation very much.
And I feel like he's had a good training camp and so it's worth

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revisiting. Yeah.
So Jake, give us your give us, give us your your ideal spot for
each of the receivers in. OK.
You mean go ahead? Yeah, I think the way I would
see the stacking out is I think you have a few players who can

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play the X receiver position, right.
They're not like I don't think maybe Golden gets there, but I
don't think you're going to see like supremely dominant forces
at the X position. But they can all do it because I
think they can all prove to get open on a variety of routes,
especially, especially the intermediate stuff, which puts
you in the golden Dobbs and and Wix, I think are your your guys

(02:27:36):
that can do that right now. So those guys you can
interchange, you know, to, to play as long as Wix catches the
football, you know, he'll, he'llbe, you know, you know, among
these guys all season long. I think Reid is a tricky one
because I think you you could see him, you know, push to get Z
reps if they feel comfortable enough doing so.

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I know there was some chatter last week of him kind of being
out there as a second guy when Green Bay's in 12.
That would 100% lead me to believe that that Golden is your
ex in that scenario. And then Reid would be your Z,
your flanker, receiver. I think I'd rather have, you
know, and as far as Golden goes,like I think he can be X&Z and I

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think that gives you a really, really strong Z if if he is
going to line up there and give,you know, Dobbs the X if you
feel like he's going to, he's got the guy who has the most
trust right now in the room. I think that Wix is somebody who
I could see being that X and also kind of the big slot.
If you really want to, you know,kind of make him the formation
adjuster if he's bulked up and you think he can, you know,

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provide some help as as kind of an ancillary blocking piece and
some of the run game stuff. So I think that gives him, you
know, a chance to be an X and a big slot.
Obviously Dobbs and and Reed aretwo guys who can absolutely cook
in the slot, and I'm sure Goldencould as well.
But I think Golden's going to have to stay on the outside for
the majority of the season. I do think if Savion gets on the

(02:29:04):
field, I think for starters, they're not going to have him be
a sacrificial XI. Don't think they're going to let
him do that to start. I think they're going to let him
work a ton of the vertical plane, which I think he's very
comfortable with running down the field, trying to make
acrobatic plays, but also being able to gear down really
quickly, right? You get him on those hitches,
those comeback routes, like he has that geared on ability,

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right? And I think that will be very
beneficial. But you know, you're running
stuff like dagger and the deep crossers.
He's probably going to be more clear out route and kind of
running those deep crossers thanhe is going to be running those
technical 12 to 15 yard digs, right?
But I do think there there is a spot for Savion to play some
like true roles if if they give him that opportunity.

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I think Meikle has proven in Kansas City, while he's not like
this, you know, overwhelm me with volume receiver.
Could he get reps at Z as well? I I wouldn't rule that out at
this point. He he's clearly proven.
I think he should that he belongs.
He will get some. He'll get some this year.
If they're giving, if they're giving Savion Z reps, that
probably means Meikle's getting some as well just because

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obviously they don't. He he has experience in the
league, right. He's done a lot of stuff kind of
in the light version of what Hill has done at times in Kansas
City, and it obviously has a bunch of gadget experience too.
I'd like to see in that first preseason game who, who starts
at Z when, when, when they go to11, who starts at Z?
Yeah, that would be good. That would that that'll be

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really telling. Again, I think Dobbs can
obviously play Z if you really, really want him to, right?
I think, you know, Dobbs and andand and Golden are probably your
most like you can interchange them the most on the 2 outside
receiver spots, right, Versus some of the others.
Yeah, I think Dobbs and Gold Z yeah, I think both can play X

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and ZI don't know if you really want Wix playing Z if you're
going to let him do a lot of thefield stretching stuff again,
he's he's kind of proven that hecan do it with tempo.
But I mean, man, to have him like get easy, easy bucket wins
as a big slot is so so is where I like Wix.
Yeah. That, that, that just to me

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feels like a little more valuable than putting with the Z
where you have other guys who have a little more
explosiveness. Because as, as we've kind of
talked about with Wixel offseason, it's like the
separation has never been an issue, right?
And when you have a guy in the slot where the separation is, is
paramount, needs to be quick. It needs to be on time, like
he's going to get to a spot on time.
So I, I do like that. So I, yeah, I think Savion and

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Hardman could get gadget stuff as well.
Reed's probably going to get hisfair share after that.
If if somebody else is making the roster, like if Heath makes
the roster, he's still probably your backup X slash big slot.
He's kind of in that wix mold aswell, where it's like he's not
going to play an easy really right.

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He's not that field stretching type.
I mean, if you're if you're looking at the like the Sam
Browns and the will Shepherds, Shepherd might be able to do
some of the like the bigger widereceiver Z stuff because he has
it has shown he can win on the field.
But I don't know, he seems like kind of your practice squad guy
and Sam Brown's got more of thatbuild of a Z slot, you know, in

(02:32:14):
that read mold as well. So that's probably where I kind
of see most of the room at this point.
I think running back being whereit is, is gonna limit them to
only having six wide receivers or maybe 5.
I would think if they have 6 andI think it'll be 6, then then
Mikko is the 6th. I think maybe, maybe we're still

(02:32:36):
in a a tight end spot. Maybe we just keep the three
tight ends. There's no John Fitzpatrick.
It's possible. I could see that.
Give me 4 running backs, 6 wide receivers, 3 tight ends.
That would leave you with an extra you you you could keep,
you could keep 9 offensive lineman at that point and you

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have one spot to play with on offense before you start
stealing from the defense. So, you know, I think that's
your path. I think that's your path.
You have to keep 4 running backs.
You have to keep 2 quarterbacks.So if you want 7 wide receivers.
You're keeping 3. Tight ends.
Personally, I'd rather keep a 10th offensive lineman over a

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7th wide receiver. Yeah.
Oh, Drew says John Williams is hurt, so that saves an aligned
spot. Well, that's interesting.
So our, but our nine offensive lineman we had put together
previously, we didn't have John Williams in there.
We had done in the Jennings right, So.

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Let me see. Who do we leave off that
offensive line and revisit this?Trey Hill.
He's been bad. Wait, we have Monk.
Yeah, Monk was on there. Travis Glover.
Travis Glover. Might.
Travis Glover's probably making the roster, which which pains
me, he probably is. So we were leaving off Kadeem

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Telford. Kadeem Telford.
Travis Glover, John, I think John Williams is going to be
hurt for a while. I don't think I don't think
we're going to see him for a while.
I think he might get activated mid season, but where his
injuries at right now it doesn'tsound like we're going to see.
Him anytime soon? Yeah, could be a red shirt.

(02:34:24):
You're like Coach Lynn says here.
Yeah. Red shirt year for John
Williams. So that would at 9 offensive
lineman probably Travis Glover is making the roster over
Donovan Jennings. I think that that our early call
of Donovan Jennings is not goingto pan probably not probably
Travis Glover and then Kadeem Telford might be Kadeem Telford

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might be offensive lineman 10. I think Green Bay is going to
see it that way. And I think I don't know if
coastline is is is saying that. I do think if, if he's saying
Green Bay sees that, I think, yeah, probably.
As far as, do you think Kadeem Telford is stashed on the
practice squad or I think Green Bay thinks that.

(02:35:10):
I, I, I think Green Bay thinks this, this Glover over Telford.
I'm not sure why they think that.
Well, I can tell you why 'cause Glover is a draft pick.
Telford's not. Yeah, that's the whole reason,
Glover. It's certainly not an on field
play. Thinks it didn't take long for
them to go. Nope, can't do that.
Yeah. And he was bad in that, that

(02:35:33):
playoff game. But he's been, he's been getting
looks, some looks with the ones at right guard, the right guard,
I think. Why don't we just draft Ross
Simmons? We've had Trey Hill snapping in

(02:35:58):
practice and it's been. Just brutal.
Coach Lenz says what is going onwith Monk?
I don't know anything going on with Monk.
I have no news on Monk, Bruce said.
I saw Telford get whooped a few times.
He's he's kind of just your average, like third string
tackle to me. Yeah, like it's good to have

(02:36:21):
him, but like, you don't want him playing.
More than a few snaps. Hill has been bad.
Yeah, Trey Hill has been. That's what it sounds like,
yeah. Trey Hill has been bad.
Anthony Belton has been bad. Jordan Morgan has been bad,

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which Lynn said. I saw Donovan Jennings also.
I yeah, I did hear that Donovan Jennings had some bad refs.
He's not good. Gregory Junior is no longer with
the team. He was a cornerback for us.
Yes, they brought. He's been replaced by Corey
Ballantyne. Which I.
Think. I think as of our last live

(02:37:01):
stream, I think Corey had already been released by the
Colts. And I think I said on this
podcast that I wanted him back. I know for a fact I tweeted it.
And so I'm pleased that we had him.
One thing I said earlier on thisoffseason was that I didn't
really love our starters for cornerback, but I really hated
our lack of depth. And I said if we had a Corey

(02:37:23):
Ballantine, I'd feel better about the situation.
So I feel slightly better. That's good, but I also feel
worse because I've seen KeyshawnNixon in practice.
And it's not. Good.
Josh Simmons, Trey Amos. I'm rooting for y'all, but it's
going to be tough to see if y'all start bawling out early

(02:37:44):
and often. We also can't be mad, though,
because Matthew Golden was our second.
No, I'll be mad. First round Packers draft crush
after Darius. Darius Shepherd.
Is that his name? Darius talking about Alexander.

(02:38:04):
Darius Alexander. Yeah.
Well, I, I remember I I tweeted on draft day like the five, like
I'm so, so in. I think like Simmons.
I think it was Simmons. It was Loveland.
It was Amos. Yeah, I think the other two were

(02:38:28):
guys that were drafted before Green Bay had a chance to like,
obviously I didn't put like, youknow, Travis Hunter on there.
And and Newt, appreciate the question.
Appreciate you tuning in from Twitter.
Shamar Stewart, that's what you wanted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.

(02:38:48):
No, but yeah. But while I'm looking for this
Newt appreciate you checking it out on via Twitter and
appreciate the there were no there are still 13 watching on
YouTube. So that's awesome.
Very, very awesome. I was not OK when we picked we
picked Mork and you could check the you could check the stream

(02:39:12):
for that one. I didn't I didn't.
I didn't love that. I was grumpy.
I got grumpy pretty quick on stream.
That was that was fun. That is definitely going down as
my least favorite Packers draft class that I've ever watched.
Come in. I'm trying to scroll through

(02:39:32):
back my tweets. See the Patriots are cooking.
Yes, they were cooking. Probably going to cook.
You know how, Jake, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you you give us
one more thing before. We almost there.
Oh, there we go. Yeah.
Harmon and Nolan, who were both gone by the time we picked.
Yeah, I knew it. Harmon was the other two was my

(02:39:54):
number. 1/2 were gone. Wish I wanted Harmon.
Yeah, it was Loveland Angels andlike Nolan Simmons.
So those 5:00, we, we never had any chance of getting either of
those two guys. No, no, the Nolan, that was the
dream. The Nolan stuff was utter crap
to try and get him to fall further.
Than he did it. Was all a bunch of bunch of
nonsense it would have been maybe brutal though had they

(02:40:19):
been available. And then we watched Cootie pass
on defensive tackle because he doesn't care about defensive
tackle. Yeah.
So maybe we we just got spared some some extra pain I mean he
passed on Ty Robinson too so yeah.
All right, show us your, show usyour video here.
So this is fun, I think for those interested in the 2027

(02:40:44):
draft or college football, because we do do that around
here. This is, you know who this is.
He needs no introduction #1 on the Feldman freak list.
Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith doing Jeremiah
Smith things as usual. What else is new?
One handed catch, working through contact.

(02:41:05):
What else is new? What else is new?
You know who I am? You know who this is.
Absolutely incredible. Classic, classic stuff.
Is that lad Mcconkey? Could be.
Is that lad Mcconkey? It's too soon to offer this.

(02:41:27):
Too soon. Too soon.
He can. At least he won't be a bear next
year. It's not possible.
My guy is not as he is. He is starting his sophomore
year in a few weeks. Could be a Baron 27, but I don't
know. I as long as a doomsday is like
above average, they're not goingto be doing much.

(02:41:49):
Especially with burden under contract for so long now.
Seems unlikely they'll have other things to potentially
address. What's that?
It's it's Ed policy. It is Ed policy.
You know what time it is? I do, Yeah.
We all felt bad for Jake when that one, that one hurt, that
one hurt. But we also all knew that it was

(02:42:11):
either going to be Loveland or figured out Henderson, who went
to the Bears. Well, it was almost both, Sir.
Almost lost my mind twice. It was almost both.
Thank you. New England, if I haven't said
it, 18,000,000 times since the draft.
I like the coach. Coach Land just knows, right?
Much skinny Alabama winners. I mean, hey, that's totally

(02:42:32):
fine. Yeah, Ryan Williams is the truth
as well. He's starting to bulk up a
little bit. That's just horrible news for
everybody else. He he adds bulk and is still
that explosive and that flexibleand just have that much control.
Just not just come on, man. I want to see Ohio State and
Alabama play each other this year so that we can have Ryan

(02:42:55):
Williams and and Jeremiah on thesame field.
They there were some guys I follow on Instagram because they
post reels of playing like Madden in college football.
They had a game where it was like you can only throw to Ryan
Williams and you can only throw to Jeremiah.
Smith. So it was it was awesome.
It was very cool. And you're still going to shred

(02:43:17):
every defense you go up against.Yes, 100 a 100% got Jeremiah
Smith just Moss and guys coming down with the ball and then
stiff farming them like it's it's like, yeah, maybe those
things are realistic, you know, hey, when you're playing with
aliens, yes, that's true. What is realism?
Yeah, that's true. And when you're president is Ed

(02:43:39):
policy? What is realism?
Yes, listen, you guys have squandered 2 3/4 hours on this
one hour live stream. Yes, Jake managed to keep me on
here for 2 3/4 hours and I told him at a hard one hour limit,
which why I was surprised that we went the baseball logo route.
I did not think that was going to happen, but admit it, that

(02:44:01):
was a lot of fun. It was a good time.
Of course, admit it. You want to do NFL logos next?
Week. Maybe you know what actually I
would like to do before the season begins?
Run through NFL playoff predictor.
Show off the records of every team.
Show off your playoff predictions.
Put all of it there. Put your name on it.
We'll do that next week and we will also put in our

(02:44:25):
predictions. By your side by.
The hands the the previous years, if you can find them next
week. I want to do we have to get on
the record about who we think the starting Z in the first
playoff, the first pre season game the Packers is going to be,
but that's next week. Not right now.
Wait, no, wait. Can't do it.
First one's Friday or Saturday. Yeah, Saturday right, So we got

(02:44:50):
to put it in now. All right, fine.
Who's yours? Yeah, 30 seconds tops.
I have a feeling Dobbs doesn't play because I don't think they
need him to. I'm going to guess golden
because I think Wix will be the other receiver on the field.

(02:45:11):
So you think that it'll be JadenReed in this lot?
Yes, if it's eleven. If it's twelve, it's going to
be, I think Wix at the X, Goldenat the Z.
So I'll go Golden. Give me give me golden at X the

(02:45:35):
first time they go 11, it's going to be golden at X, Reed in
the slot and meek hole at Z. It's just going to be weird meek
hole at ZI like it I the first time they go 11.
I think that's what the grand doin the first pre season game.
If yeah, if they go 11 you can do not much.

(02:45:55):
But yeah, if they go 11, I don'tthink golden will be the Z.
If they go 12, I have a feeling it will be.
That's why I said golden at X Yeah, in 11, I think it's a
different story. In 12, I'll say it's it's
golden. But in 11, what the heck?
Savion for fun. I I think it won't be savion.

(02:46:19):
Savion for fun. And then emotions over and he's
the gadget guy and you're like, OK, I could just picture J's
face. He's like, Oh my gosh, my guy is
savior and he's at Z. What's that?
No, no, no, stop, stop running. Stop running across the line of
scrimmage. That's like return motion.

(02:46:40):
It's return motion spinner and he's the running back.
That would be something else if that's going on Golden Z he said
read B yeah, which I think slot slot could be there's there's
different letters that they can use so that's probably what he
uses for slot. If Dobbs plays that's great news

(02:47:03):
like he's the one guy he's the one guy who I don't think has to
at this point all right give me so so your your official answer
is savion Ezzy. I mean, I think it's going to be
golden because I think they're going to be in 12.
But if you're making me call 11,no, specifically for 11 the

(02:47:25):
first time they were in for 11, you know what?
No, I'm I'm going to say I'm going to say it's I'm going to
say it's read. I think they're going to put I
think they're going to put either golden or Wix as the
quote UN quote big slot. I think they're going to I think
they're going to try read out there since it's pre season.

(02:47:46):
All right, then I'm then I'm going to go, I'm going to go
Wix. OK.
Gosh, if you go back on that, it'll be golden.
We're both wrong. Yeah, if it's golden and 11
that'll that'll be interesting. That to me seems like it'll be
well be fun. So your your official is golden
at golden and 12/8 and 11 goldenand 12 don't care about don't

(02:48:12):
care about 12. We're we're talking about only
11. Give me your three wide
receivers for 11 read and Z Golden Axe read Z Wicks your big
slot. Wicks your big slot.
All right then give me so and then my my official is Wicks at
Z read slot golden No swap it golden Z Wicks X read slot is my

(02:48:42):
official so just and too old forthis said my real guess is.
Wicks, there we go. Put in Watson.
Love that, all right. In the words of the late, great,
beautiful Mr. Ed Policy. Go.
Back. Go.

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