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Episode Transcript

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. The spirit ran low and then it
hit me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fan started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took down the line.
If I told you I could bare the thought seen in a chance some
soccer team got No need for a Viking to borrow June.
I choose that. The power of the frozen monsoon.

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The apps. Did you acrylic?
Did you buy online? But that's not my policy.
These words are mine here. Go back gold.
Go back gold. Go back, gold.

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Go back. Go, go back.
Go. Go back.
Go. Go back.
Go, go back. Go, go back.

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Go. Welcome back to Derailed.

(02:12):
My name is JJ Leahy. I'm here with Chris Jackman, our
great friend of the show. He has been on here before.
Jake is on the road. And so Chris is going to do his
best Jake impression and reign me in when I need to be reined
in. All right, thank you, Chris, for
agreeing to hop in here. I know that draft talk is more

(02:35):
of what excites you, but you're a Packer fan and I appreciate
you coming on here to talk aboutthe dry year situation.
Quick disclaimer, so you may have noticed we are late.
We're 15 minutes late getting started.
That's because I screwed up my microphone and could not get it
working right. So I sound a little bit
different. I promise I will get it working
again next week. So, Chris, welcome to the show.

(02:58):
Thanks, great to be here. So we have Chris the casual N in
the chat here saying terrible news, Take that cap savings and
make a run at Hendrickson, Chris, Chris Jackman, Chris the
casual N terrible news, yes or no?
Where are you on this being a good or bad thing for the Green

(03:21):
Bay Packers releasing Jair Alexander to the surprise of not
many. I was surprised.
I fully acknowledge. I said the whole time I had no
expectation that he was going toget released.
So, you know, shame on me. I was wrong on that one.
You know, it was true the whole time they were moving on from

(03:42):
here. Where?
Where are you on how this affects the Packers in a
positive or negative way? I guess I kind of go both ways,
right? I mean, we're so used to playing
without him, but when he's on the field, he's so valuable.
And like, you know, when you look at cornerback, it's not
just, you know, your two starters, it's your quarterback
3 and 4 on your depth chart thatthat give you so many snaps and

(04:05):
so much value. And even though he's only
playing, you know, 305 hundred snaps in the season, that's
that's significant, you know, So, you know, you hate to see
him go, but you know, you got it.
I guess you got to move on. You know, I, I pray you know,
Kaylin King or maybe you know, free agent signing.

(04:28):
I think Caleb Farley was a free agent.
He was the first round pick a couple years ago and it's a
couple other older guys on there, you know, is Seoul
Douglas signed yet? I don't know.
We could reunite with him or I don't know.
I think you are in a similar place to me seemingly of like,

(04:50):
hey, this can work out, but you don't currently probably have
enough pieces on the roster today to go forward with the
season. Which brings me to like my
biggest beef with the move, which is that they seem to have
not prepared for this in the slightest, despite the fact that
they were intending to do this all along.

(05:13):
The cornerback room on the roster is like razor thin.
And sure, I guess in in large part, it does boil down to what
do you think of Nate Hobbs? There's a lot of people who
really have a high opinion of Nate Hobbs, think that he's
going to be, you know, everything that we need.

(05:35):
And I'm just I'm like, I'm not there.
And I'm curious, Chris, if you have had an opportunity to look
at what Nate Hubs has done in the past and like if you have an
assessment of what you think of him as a player.
Jake Chervink big believer that Nate Hubs is a fantastic signing
and I certainly acknowledge thathe has the potential.

(05:56):
You know, the athleticism he's got.
He has played well on the on theboundary before.
I was, you know, mildly enthusedabout the idea of playing him in
the slot back when I thought that we could have Jair on one
side, have, you know, probably Valentine or Valentine on the
other side. Work Nixon in there somewhere.
I like the idea of Nate Hobbs inthe slot, but I mean like as of

(06:21):
today, Nate Hobbs is clearly ourCB1, which is just kind of, you
have to really like him to feel good about that situation is, is
all I'm saying. Yeah, maybe you want to put
Nixon as that CB one. I mean, I, I'd like to think
that maybe the coaching staff just made that decision and

(06:43):
said, hey, we can move on with them.
Maybe they saw some things out of Michael Robinson or in Nate
Hobbs. I mean, during that draft class
with Eric Stokes. I I mean, I hated the Eric
Stokes thing. I actually had Nate Hobbs ahead
of him, even though, you know, Stokes was like consensus 40
something. And I think Hobbs was like
consensus 100 or something like that.

(07:06):
And he's kind of more of a downhill presence.
But I mean, there's so many, we have so many quarterbacks.
So, you know, maybe they just feel that we can make it work
with one of those guys. I was kind of looking at the
breakdown of defensive coveragesfor the Packers too, to be like,

(07:27):
you know what it what do we expect in terms of deployment?
And from last season, you know, weeks one through 17, we were
running cover 2 and cover 3 likealmost 60% of our snaps.
I guess that doesn't really meanwe're going to rely heavily on

(07:47):
our safeties more, but I also see that the the fact that they
brought in Nick Collins and Morgan Burnett on the coaching
staff and I think maybe, you know, maybe they're trying to
prep some of our depth and safety to sort of cover our
shortfalls with our corners. I think that's a great place to

(08:08):
start talking is Javon Bullard is clearly the odd duck out in
the safety room. Xavier McKinney and Evan
Williams are the presumed starters and should be.
And then, you know, if you're talking about Javon Bullard as
like the full time slot, you know, the nickel defender, which
a lot of people I think have started to suspect that's the

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way things are going to go, Thatsuddenly makes a lot more sense.
And I think it potentially couldplay to Bullard's strengths a
little bit more. He he he does not seem to be the
answer at strong safety or free safety.
Seems like you have to you play them in the box or or working

(08:54):
them him in there as your nickeldefender and you know if you
move him over to the cornerback room, the depth at that point,
you feel better about it. Like right now it's Nate Hobbs,
Keyshawn Nixon and Carrington Valentine as the only
established commodities behind those guys at cornerback.

(09:17):
Your next best options are seventh round rookie Micah
Hobbinson, second round sophomore pick Kaylin King and
Devon Bullard, who hasn't playedcornerback for us.
So like with those with those three being your next three guys
up with that being your top six and we usually keep six guys

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between cornerback and nickel ifyou lump those together.
And I, I would pencil Javon Bullard as like our as of today,
our starting nickel for sure. So you're probably looking at
Hobbs and Valentine and and Nixon and Bullard.
Those be the four guys who are ever out there.
You're in a rappy situation if either Bullard can't play or if

(10:02):
you get, you know, experience any injuries whatsoever.
And, you know, maybe it's fine. Maybe it's fine.
And we've seen Guti go out and address holes before.
Rasul Douglas is obviously the first example that comes to your
mind. But Corey Ballentine was
certainly a success story. I was, I was annoyed that we did

(10:25):
not retain Corey this offseason.I, I didn't really understand,
just like for the amount of money that he got paid, I felt
like it was totally worth it to keep him in our cornerback room
since we were already losing Eric Stokes.
We have a pile of guys who are, you know, practice squad bubble

(10:47):
caliber as far as we know and might flash this summer.
You got Jonathan Baldwin, IsaiahDunn.
I think we already moved on fromCaleb Hayes, but we got Kamal
Haddon iron herring. I think that's it.
Maybe there's another guy we picked up in the last couple
days, couple weeks, but you're hoping that you can find a

(11:11):
diamond in the rough there. And I I I don't like how close
that diamond in the rough is to getting playing time.
I feel like we're like at least a, a whole one body short in
that cornerback room. And I felt that way before we
moved on from Jair. Just saying.
So, you know, to Matthew Hanson's question here in the
chat, how do we feel? I mean, and Guddu, you trust?

(11:35):
Sure. Yeah.
Aaron in the chat, happy to see you on here.
I did mention Kaylin King. I I would say I'm more excited
about seeing Kaylin King out there than Micah Robinson
because he's rookie. And then like we've seen Javon
Bullard, it hasn't been great. I think I feel about equally

(11:58):
hopeful and optimistic about Kaylin King playing cornerback
as I do Javon Bullard playing cornerback.
For us. I'd put those two guys on pretty
even foot all. Right, they're both not even 23
yet. So after the youngest, like the
youngest guys we have in the room, I think I don't know about
the the newest pickups in Michael Robinson.
Then I, I like to think that, you know, with the, the new

(12:22):
coaching staff, you're trying toget these, you know, fresh, this
freshman class of corners and safeties to just bring them up.
I mean, even, you know, Cortana Ladapo and Zane Anderson, like
in the limited snaps that they had, they looked pretty good out

(12:42):
there. Like maybe you can run some more
like some cover 3 and cover 4 and pepper in like an extra
safety in there to, you know, give, give yourself some
different looks. And I still think I, I really
expect that we'll get, you know,one of these unsigned free
agents that are out there. I think maybe you'll, you'll

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sign them on just for, you know,added depth or a veteran
presence. I mean, you know, I mentioned
Caleb Farley, Asante Samuel junior.
They both have been like underperforming on their
respective teams. But you know, just to have one
other guy out there competing who was, you know, had a

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selection process where they're highly rated would make me feel
a lot better. And I think, you know, when you
see when you see them let Gyre go and you look back at the
draft class, you just kind of I'm just like left wanting, you
know, like what? Like, to me, it wouldn't like
Matthew Golden wasn't the highest guy on my board.

(13:47):
It was like Will Johnson and I keep thinking like, why?
Why did Will Johnson tumble to, you know, 47 And, you know, we
actually get to play the Cardinals this year, Cardinals
Island in Phoenix and my next team.
And they got to pick him up. And I feel like you might, you

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know, what if maybe we put you so I don't know the words that
I'm looking for, but you know, get that experience of seeing
the guy you passed on play against you and and, you know,
maybe shut you down a little bit.
And, and the fact that, you know, we also passed on, you
know, Amos in the second for Anthony Belton, you know, got
that third left tackle in there.You know, Yvonne Ravel was up

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there. You know, you've taken him too
in your second pick. I don't know, it just it hurts a
little bit when you maybe they maybe they thought that they'd
keep him. I mean, it seems like it's so
close to the June 1st deadline that it was intentional all
along. And I hate to think, but like,
if you know, our cornerback roomlooks just atrocious at the end

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of the season. Like is gooter cuts going to be
on the hot seat for, you know, ruining our cornerback room?
You know, what is the, how's thenew management going to feel
about this, you know, and policy?
Mark Murphy did speak on this today and he seemed like fully
in support of the move, you know, praised Jair's ability and

(15:24):
and, you know, showed the appreciation for what he's done
for us over the years. And like, put it out there,
like, you know, he has missed too much time and the injuries
have just racked up too much to where like, that was the
decision. That was the reason why they
were gone. Yeah.
I, I, I think when you, you know, you're going to have
listed, there's a ton of different inflection points

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along the road here where you know, little frustrations here
and there with the process that are all individually defensible,
OK. You liked Matthew Golden in the
first round, so you took him. You really liked Anthony Belton
in the second round, so you tookhim.

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You passed on this free agent for this reason.
You passed on this free agent for this reason.
Sure, but the totals, the totality is that the situation
we're in right now feels like you are just placing a ton of
faith and trust in the coaching staff's ability to make this

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really not be an issue schematically and really
counting on Nate Habs probably overplaying over performing what
he has done in the past. Bruce says.
Hey guys, I'm not happy about losing Jair.
This is incredibly stupid. Yeah, I mean, I'm not mad.
I'm certainly not mad at moving on from Jair.

(16:51):
Certainly disappointed and sad because he was a player I really
loved. Got a lot of great memories of
his time here. The.
Quality of our post game interviews is going down.
You know, what are we going to do without that?
We lost the Smith brothers. Now we lost Jair.
You know, I, I, I think it'll beOK, but is it going to be great?

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I don't think it's going to be great.
And I think we need great, especially, you know, coming
into this season, the offseason focus clearly was, hey, let's
fix the offense. And I agreed with that priority.
Let's fix the offense. That was the number one priority
I had as well. Fix up the offensive line,

(17:37):
figure out how to get some production from our Uber
talented but mistake prone wide receiver room and addressed the
defensive line. And we didn't address the
defensive line and then gutted the cornerback room losing.

(17:57):
Like, OK, we lost Jair and Stokes and Ballantyne and then
replaced those three guys with Nate Hobbs.
I just don't think it's enough. Like the corners last year were

(18:17):
a concern heading into the season and then it ended up not
really being a disaster. And the defense was fine.
It was improved over the previous year.
It wasn't enough to carry the team when the when the offense
was struggling, but it was fine.But like, you know, we are very
much trying to win a Super Bowl this year and I think that we

(18:41):
have massive questions on both the defensive line and the
cornerback room you don't want. I mean, like those are the two
biggest areas of concern on the entire defense.
I would rather have problems that both safety and linebacker
than I would at defensive line or cornerback.

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And we have questions that defensive line and cornerback.
Add to that the fact that we don't know if the offense is is
fixed. We've thrown a lot of resources
at the offense, but we have to see it.
We have to see if it's going to work.
Let's see if this new new look offensive line fixes the
problems we had last year. If we can keep Jordan upright,
you got to see if either of these rookies we drafted at wide

(19:23):
receiver are going to play, if they're going to contribute.
We got to see if Wicks and Reed are going to take a step back
from, you know, the problems that they were facing last year,
and I think they will, But it's just a lot of assumptions and I
just don't like that this was the process for defensive line
and cornerback, which was let's not really add anything.

(19:48):
That's just kind of how I feel about it is that we just didn't
add anything. You know, like, at best, I think
you could say like if Nate Hobbsplays fantastic, I think you're
saying at best it's a lateral move from the trio of Gyre and
Stokes and Valentine to Hobbs, Hank, at best.
You can't tell me that the cornerback room got better this
offseason. It's hard to make the case that

(20:10):
it didn't get worse. This is just where I'm at is
that I'm just struggling to see the vision here with Guti of
why. This felt like it was good
enough in the cornerback room and I can be on board with
moving Jair, I can be on board with not drafting A cornerback.

(20:35):
It's just the totality of all the decisions that got us to
where we are. I just don't like where we are.
Yeah, and I I mean, I kind of liked Michael Robinson too, as
like a late round pick. And I think it was just, you
know, you go into that draft class and you realize that

(20:55):
there's just not a lot of good cornerback picks even, you know,
Will Johnson, Trey Amos and you know, I really, I was a big fan
of Terry and Porter just becauseof his versatility.
Siobhan Ramel to me, like outside of those 4, you know,
you start talking about Noah Williams and I don't know,

(21:17):
longer beam later on. I'm just like, these guys are
not better than like Kaylin Kingin my mind.
And I'm just like. Noel's a slot guy.
We we kind of have a lot of slotguys at this point, which it's
kind of a shift. Like Guti previously was
allergic to bringing in anybody who plays a slot, and now it

(21:37):
kind of feels like we got to find a slot guy and make him a
boundary guy and then let the other slot guys fight it out for
the slot. Right, Yeah, It's a weird
situation to be in. I actually kind of feel that way
about some of our receivers, too.
Like he's spent a lot of draft pick capital taking slot
receivers with, you know, Jalen Reed and the guy before who we

(22:01):
cut from Clemson and I can't, I forget his name, Rogers, Mario
Rogers. And I'm like, you spent a lot of
draft, draft capital on slot receivers And it's like, and
then you ended up having to catch back up with your outside
guys. And I kind of feel like, you

(22:26):
know, maybe not having the the foresight to plan ahead and,
and, you know, take these guys, you know, it really hurts you.
I think it it also like kind of irritates me too, like during
the draft, like with Will Johnson, knowing that they were
so invested in Higgins as a widereceiver, like, and that Atlanta

(22:47):
traded up to take Pierce as an an edge and the Giants came up
to grab dart. Like you could have made a trade
to get out. Like I'm convinced they probably
had that phone call and they were just so excited about
Golden that they took it. But I feel like you just can't
do that as like, that's kind of like the FOMO mentality that
Rex, you know, NFL teams and theteams who succeed the most in in

(23:12):
drafting and team building are the ones who are patient and
sort of let it come to them. And that's like with the Ravens
and with the Eagles, you know, Isee the their roster building
and I'm just like, yeah, it's kind of obvious why you have
such great teams because you're just like, I'm fine just taking
who comes to me and or, you know, trading back if I have to,
or, you know, getting rid of Carson Wentz to get extra draft

(23:34):
capital when you can. You know, you look at what we
could have gotten for Rogers, where it would have been, you
know, Devin Witherspoon, you hadDevin.
If you told me we had Charles Cross and Devin Witherspoon and

(23:55):
we lost Rogers for one season, like I would be fucking through
the moon about our chances to goto the Super Bowl this year.
And now I'm like, I'm questioning whether we're even
going to have a chance at a wildcard like we already are going
to be facing. We went from an easy schedule
last year to one of the you know, the NFC North has the

(24:17):
hardest schedules this year. What do you think?
We have schedule last year. Are you just talking about like
the preseason rankings of the schedules?
Yeah, it was a strength of schedule, right?
You're going against AFC South and now we're going against the
AFC North or. I mean, you look at the only
teams we lost to last year, you know, like the Chicago Bears

(24:37):
notwithstanding, we lost to the Lions twice.
They were fantastic. We lost to the Vikings twice.
They were a buzz saw. We lost to the Eagles twice.
And then you got that goofy gameagainst the Bears that, you
know, the Packers absolutely deserved to lose because they
played like crap. The team was falling apart at
that point. But, and I don't know that this

(25:02):
like drastically changes my perception of our win total for
the season. I mean.
But but, you know, like I'm I'm.Concerned about like our
playoff, our playoff, you know, once we get into the playoffs,
our playoff survivability without like a buzz saw

(25:23):
defensive backroom, like are we really thinking that our
safeties are going to impact that much that Xavier McKinney
and Evan Williams are going to be like that is the key to
making it through the playoffs? Because I you can't say Nate
Hobbs and Keyshawn Nixon and Valentine are like a, a special

(25:45):
cornerback room that's going to carry it.
It it can be good enough to where you're not panicking about
every decent passing attack you come up against.
But like, I mean, you know, Jair, you look at Jill Ramsey or
Xavier Howard, any of these cornerbacks over the last few
years, like they made a massive difference.
The Giants have always had a fantastic pass defense.

(26:09):
So I mean the the the ski is going to have to carry a lot of
the way. And I guess I was thinking, you
know, a lot of people were really optimistic about the NFC
North teams. I mean, I've heard, you know,
people like, what if all four ofus are above 500?
And I'm kind of on the other side of it.
I'm kind of a little more pessimistic thinking, you know,
what if we're all below 500, like, and, you know, it's, you

(26:32):
know, 8 and 9 gets you into thatwild card because, you know, for
whatever reason. And the Lions losing Ben Johnson
and you know, the Bears gaining him.
Like are your coaching changes going to you know, how how quick
are you going to see the effectsof that?
And you know, JJ, is JJ McCarthygoing to be able to carry the

(26:54):
Vikings? To me, it's and when you're
playing against, you know, the Ravens and the Steelers actually
have a respectable team. I mean, you got Rogers now, but
you know, just from the defensive side of things like I
question or ability to succeed against any AFC North teams

(27:15):
compared to last year where it'slike I felt like we were
struggling against like the Jaguars and like, you know,
we're, you know, Pat, Pat yourselves on the back for, you
know, taking out the Titans, right?
And it's like, I don't know, I mean, we had beat him with a

(27:36):
second string quarterback, right?
We got Malik Wilson right. And I don't know, it's hard to
see you. You just wish that you had taken
somebody a little bit higher with your draft capital than
Darien Porter. And I don't.
I still don't understand how they could be over the mood
about Anthony Belton because I just watch his film and I'm just

(27:59):
like, I feel like this guy's punching.
I mean, maybe they they really seem as a guard.
But the fact that, you know, youcould have had Jared Wilson with
your, you know, second round pick who is like premier center
and you know, then you could addJenkins and get back to the
offensive line discussion of where everyone's going to go.

(28:20):
But it just makes you feel a little bit better with something
like that, you know, sinking a, a guy who's playing left tackle
his whole collegiate career, when you got, you know, two or
three other guys who can play the position depth like
quarterback is so shocked it, ithurts.

(28:48):
And then our who are the, the other teams that we got this
year other than AFC North and the NFC East?
We got the Broncos and the Cardinals.
I think thought that's what I saw and I don't think those will
be Guinea games either. I mean, Rocco's are on the up
and up. I really will go next from now

(29:11):
and the Cardinals too. I mean, maybe if I was critical
of the Cardinals, I'd be like they're receiving depth is kind
of awful. I mean, you have, you know,
Marvin Harrison junior and your and your tight end who looks
nice. But like the rest of their, if I

(29:33):
look at that 6-6 guys with like Dorsch and Wilson, I'm just
like, I don't know about that. But you know, when we're playing
them, I mean, you know, we can stop, you know, one or two guys.
It's it's those teams who have, you know, when you're playing
the Vikings and you have to cover Jefferson and Jordan
Madison where you're like, what are you going to do in those
situations when you have these mismatches and they just throw

(29:55):
all over you? Great, leave some space for, you
know, fans to react the way theyneed to.
I see Aaron saying I'm much moreupset with Jair himself.
The guy refused to acknowledge his worth was impacted by his
availability. Like, OK, the, you know, moving

(30:16):
on from Jair like, it's still fresh and painful right now.
You know, a lot of us are are kind of grieving where it is
and, and, and reeling to an extent about like, hey, what is
next? The Packers clearly are not
stressed at all about it. They've been wrong before.
I'm not saying that the fact that they are not stressed is
like proof that it's going to begreat.

(30:39):
But I, you know, I, I would justurge everybody and you see other
fans out there on social media reacting in the ways that they
need to react. Give them some, some, you know,
freedom and space to be able to do that because I think it's
good, you know, fan how you needto fan.

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We're also trying to figure out what do we think the path
forward is going to be, Aaron said.
This feels like our wider wire deceiver situation last year, a
lot of assuming that one or two of these guys is going to make a
huge step. I understand that.
I could see that. I, I think maybe the comparisons

(31:20):
me would be a little bit more like the 2023 wide receiver
situation of like in 2024, we kind of thought we knew what we
had in those guys and we're looking for them to either
repeat or take another step forward.
And in 2023, it was like, OK, haven't really seen any of these
guys do it per SE, but maybe they're good enough.

(31:42):
And then 2023 they kind of work.That was when we just had Watson
and Dobbs, right? And we got.
No, that was Wicks and Reed wererookies.
They were rookies, yeah. And don't forget what?
You had out of them. Don't forget the second coming
of Donald Driver. We had the one and only
legendary Samara Toure on the roster as well, Aaron says.

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I guess I'm just not too worried.
I don't love losing Jair, but are we even losing him?
He was rarely on the field and our defense was much improved
last year. I mean, Jeff Haffley certainly
called the defenses differently when he wasn't out there.
So just having some clarity about your roster situation is a

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big deal and it allows you to prepare better.
So I think that in and of itselfis that's addition by
subtraction, not in from the standpoint of like saying that
Shire was a detriment to the team, but the uncertainty of not

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knowing if he was going to be able to play each week was a
detriment to the team. SDN 40 said the Lions took a hit
on the O line and coaching staff.
June predictions, June predictions should be left to
Bears fans. Now there is some wisdom right
there. June predictions should be left
to Bears. I agree with that.
And I've been, I've been talkingto some of my Lions fans here in

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Michigan where I live, and, you know, they're all kind of like
doom and gloom Lions season. And I, I don't want to be there
with them, but I have PTSD from the fact that the Lions lost all
of their defensive players last year and it didn't make a
difference at all. Like, it should have impacted
them so much and it just didn't.So I know Aaron Glenn and Ben

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Johnson are gone and Frank Ragnow is gone.
And I intellectually, as a health analyst, know that that
should have a massive impact, but I think I just need to see
them suck before I believe they're going to suck, Drew
said. Well, we've also gotten bopped

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to the playoffs every year. I would say.
I think our defensive line is often to blame for that.
Our defensive line and our offensive line, this is where
you win playoff games, is in thetrenches.
And I think that in the last several years, neither of our
trenches have been remotely goodenough.

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And yeah, you can win a wild card game.
But as you get deeper in to the point where there's kind of
only, you know, the really good,you know, good teams left who
are going to bully you up front,that's when we have had issues.
And so I have taken a lot of umbrage at Guti's refusal to

(34:38):
address the defensive line. I really feel like he has taken
enough swings at the offensive line that I'm like pleased with
the progress that we have made this offseason on the offensive
line. I think going from Josh Myers to
Elton Jenkins, that's certainly an upgrade.

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And then throwing anybody else in there over Sean Ryan, over
the Sean Ryan, Jordan Morgan rotation that we had last year
is an upgrade. Whether that's going to be
Anthony Belden, whether that's going to be Year 2 of Jordan
Morgan, there's, there's optionsthere.

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I think the offensive line is going to be significantly
better. And you got Aaron Banks in the
mix. I think this is going to be a a
big step in the right direction on the offensive line, even if
it's not great. Last year was awful.
And if we can just take a step forward from awful, I'll feel
better about the offensive line.The defensive line still worries

(35:43):
me a ton. And that is I think where most
of my angst about the cornerbacksituation is coming from is that
I don't have any faith in our defensive line.
And if we are not able to cover on the back end to make up for
our defensive line issues, that's just got me terrified

(36:05):
because the defense really was not a problem last year.
There are a lot of people out there who think that it was.
I don't think it was. But if if you whether you liked
the defense last year or didn't like it, we have certainly
subtracted more from last year'sdefense than we added.
Only real additions are like maybe you're going to get

(36:27):
something out of Baron Sorel or maybe you're going to get
something out of Colin Oliver and maybe Nate Hobbs is an
upgrade over the Valentine Valentine rotation that we had
last year. Other than that, you can't tell
me that we are taking a step forward on defense other than
seeing some of the young guys have a big second year leap.

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I'm mainly talking Evan Williamsand Edrin Cooper.
So I have concerns on defense and particularly I have concerns
on the trenches for both sides. And when you look at those Super
Bowl, like the teams making it to the Super Bowl, they all have
like that difference maker on the interior of the defensive
line. I mean, like, you know, Chris

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Jones or. Aaron Donald.
Yeah, Aaron Donald like. Or or any number of a half dozen
guys on the Eagles roster. They have a rotational depth of
impactful players because you can collapse the pocket and you
can put pressure on them that way so your quarterbacks aren't
stressed. Why I'm so jealous of like the
Eagles and Lions drafting, Like they keep attacking defensive

(37:34):
tackle and I'm like, gooty, lookat that.
You see what they're doing? See how they're actually adding
guys to the interior defensive line?
Like thanks for getting Devante Wyatt, love Devante Wyatt.
Can we have anybody else in there at all besides Devante
Wyatt? It's weird because whenever I do
like the roster analysis across the league, it's like interior
defensive like defensive linemanis like one of the most in

(37:56):
demand spots because it's just underperforming across the.
Board, we have one good guy. Devante Wyatt is our only good
defensive tackle. Kenny Clark is is falling off,
You know, maybe you can get something out of Warren Brinson
is your stackhouse, you know, but we're.
We're basically talking like priority undirected free agents
at this point. Right to me, like Stackhouse is

(38:20):
your replacement for Slayton andBrinson IRS score look all right
Texas. And you know, I could see him or
or Sorrell kind of stepping up to like give us, you know, or
even Colin Oliver giving us thatextra and pop the edge to help

(38:41):
our interior guys. Maybe you can, you know, have
Van Ness be rotating as a defensive end, you know, and
have some lighter. Let's take packages with your
Sam or Will. I don't know.
I still it's just it's hard for me to like when I look at the

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teams and trying to get to the play offs, like I feel like
we're constantly in this position where we're going for
wild cards. And it's hard in in the NFC
North because, you know, the lions were good last year with
the with the Vikings. So it's like we had three really
good teams and you really need to win the north So you can be

(39:23):
in that discussion for that one or two seed, you know, so you
can get those those, you know, advantages on gamer by week.
And, you know, it's not enough to to just make it into the
playoffs and you have to, you know, get over to the hump to to
give yourself that next advantage.
Otherwise you're, you know, playing the eagles and having

(39:43):
to, you know, win one more game.It's just it's a risk.
You know, you're playing againstthe the best teams in the league
at that point. A.
Lot of people in the chat are talking about the linebackers,
so I'm just going to lump it alltogether as one big question,
which is. How can an improved linebacker

(40:03):
room help our defense out this year?
Specifically, we're up for the tremendous lack of options along
the defense one. Yeah.
I mean, you look at, I mean coverage wise, I don't think our

(40:26):
linebackers did did that great other than Cooper, but.
Colin Oliver, if we play him at Weinbecker at all.
He was pretty darn good in coverage in college.
I would really like to see him playing Sam Weinbecker make me
happy. And with, you know, Nick Collins
and and Morgan Burnett, like I think we have the expertise on

(40:47):
the coaching staff to to help those guys.
I'll take a step. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know who else. I don't know who else I'd be
really looking forward to seeingon this.
You know, I guess I was kind of a fan of Isaiah Mcguffey, that

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the Tyrone Hopper being there, Istill don't understand.
I never understood Tyrone Hopper.
That selection was wild. I mean, I don't even.
I was just really rich for a pure special teamer.
That's all I'm going to say. Oh, Speaking of third round,
there was a question earlier on about Savion Williams and about

(41:33):
taking somebody else over him. Where'd it?
Go. Yeah.
After Savion Williams, you had Wyatt Milam, right?
You had Jared Wilson, Charles Grant, who's OK, I wasn't a big
fan of him, but you know, between Charles.
Who said would you rather had Hairston over golden Amos over

(41:54):
Belden or Ransaw over Williams? I'm I'm going to go an easy
ransaw over Williams because I because of the three the first
guys that we took, like Savion is the just the he's the
obvious, you know, odd man out of like sure, sky high
potential, but also like a well over 50% chance that he just

(42:18):
doesn't pan out at all and can'tplay ball.
So that's just the obvious easy answer.
And like, you know, again, my problem with saving Williams is
not that he's on our roster, it's that we had to give him a
third round pick to go get him and there were still plenty of
guys available in the third round.

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Well, I think we're far more valuable as draft prospects.
I'd. Actually thought you can save
him. Was going to drop a lot farther.
He was one of the he and then Golden were the only picks that
we had that were above consensusvalue.
And I was like Savion. I felt like he was over hyped
through the whole process. And I was like, yeah, he looks

(43:01):
good for a gadget player, but ifhe can't, if he can't be a wide
receiver like. Well, this has been the big
debate between me and Jake on this channel, 'cause he is on
the side of Savion is a gadget player who can't really play
wide receiver. I mean, I'm not trying to speak
for him. All right, Jake, if you're
listening. That's what he is.

(43:22):
That's what he is as as of now as a commodity.
That's what he is. But it's not that he can't play
wide receiver, it's just that wedon't know if he can be an
efficient 1. Yeah.
So it's that big unknown, right?You're like, is he going to be
able to pick that up or is he just going to be, you know what
he's been through college and that's kind of the concern and,

(43:44):
you know, through the process, you know, the Mel Kipers of the
world were all like were all championing Savion Williams.
But I'm like, you know, when youtalk about some of the other
guys who went later, like Tori Horton, like how can you hate on
Tori Horton, who does like a little bit of everything and
does it well and are like, Hey, manner, even who, you know, put

(44:07):
on a clinic against Travis Hunter.
Like how do you hate on a guy like that?
You know, or, or Jalen Royals went after him and like, I'm
like all three of these guys. I would I would have taken over
Savion, but not in the 3rd And in the third, you know, that's
where I was hoping we we'd get, you know, a Jared Wilson or
white violin board. Jalen Travis has a tackle who

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who I think had a little more versatility or even Ozzie
Trapillo, who oddly enough got overdrafted as well in the
second line. You know, he was consensus 95 or
something. And I was like, you could have
been on our chocolate for a third drop that.
But and I also really like Jack Besh.

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So it's like I was really open they'd end up with him.
Even though, you know, all signspointed to Golden and Higgins.
I felt like if if we did, if Golden got picked before, I
think, you know, a lot of peoplethought Hairston was going to be
the pick for the Packers. And I think if Golden Egg gotten

(45:13):
picked before we I think we might have gone with Higgins
because I think they were determined to get their wide
receiver. Yeah, I mean, for sure.
I mean, he's going to be, they're going to buy him one
receiver packages. But you know, the way, you know,

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we like to use our wide receivers.
We like to run a lot of sweeps and screens with them and that's
exactly what I I expect them to do for Williams.
My concern was saying is I don'twant them using him in all these
gadgets. Like I understand the desire to
get the ball in his hands and give him some confidence.

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I just want to coach him up to just be a pure wide receiver.
In college, we saw him do absolutely everything that you
need to see him do and do it well, just not at the same time.
It was like whack A mole. It's like, hey, here's a stretch
where I'm a great route runner and I'm precise.

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Here's a stretch where my release is great and I can
create separation. Here's a stretch where I'm
making athletic catches high pointing it.
I don't have any interest in a gadget player and Chris says
he's a gadget player worth the third round pick.
I don't have any interest in a gadget player.
There are no good gadget players.

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Like that's not a bonus in the NFL.
There are offenses where you take a great player like Tyreek
Hill and go run some gadget plays with him because he is
great. But a gadget player, I don't
think has any use in the NFL right now.
I feel like the only, the only guy whoever comes to mind when

(47:02):
when I think about that is, is Taysom Hill, right?
The tight end, quarterback, receiver.
Or Cordero Patterson, like the, you think of these names because
they're the one exception out of300 guys that were tried along
this route, but you got some production out of.
I you have to think that if they're picking, if they're
taking them in the third, that they intend to, to develop him

(47:27):
into a wide receiver. Like that's the intention to not
just use him for, you know. Which is why I don't like
hearing. Something.
Adam Stenovich, talk about we'regoing to get so creative.
The calls that we played or the plays we call for.
Bro, how about you be a coach and teach him how to play wide

(47:49):
receiver? How about that?
Can we start with that please? And if he, you know, snap at
center, you know, whenever you need a a different center,
right? If if Jenkins goes down, he's
our number 2 I think. Slide him in there.
He'd get a center. You were asked if the Packers

(48:11):
could get a stud center in the 2026 NFL draft.
Do you think they would take a center and move Jenkins back to
guard, maybe even right guard? I will just say of the five
offensive line positions, right guard is probably the place I
want Elton Jenkins the least. After that'd be right tackle.
I really like him along the leftside of the offensive line or
the center he's. Playing great at line or left
guard. He's great at left guard.

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He was great at left tackle. I think he'd be great at center.
I would guess he probably spendsthe rest of his career as
center. Just my guess.
We'll have to see how this season goes, but that would be
my prediction is that he spends the rest of his career at
center. If we were going to move him, I

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would probably be pretty happy to move him to left tackle.
And there's a lot to talk about.Are the Packers actually going
to pay Rasheed Walker and bring it back?
And you know, the consensus answer is no, they're not going.
To. But they're just not going to be
able to swing that kind of cash at at Rasheed Walker,

(49:18):
especially, you know, looking atthe guys they've drafted and
brought it that they want JordanMorgan to be left tackle.
They want Anthony Belton to playone of the two tackle spots and
they have Zach Tom. So if we're going to move Elton
Jenkins at some point, I would prefer to move him to left
tackle. As Stan says, I think the

(49:40):
Packers intended to move on fromJenkins next year.
He's trying to block that. Interesting theory.
I don't, I don't, I guess I don't see those pieces, but I'm
interested in hearing more aboutyour theory for sure. 2 of this
also says I'm sure seeing Jagger's injuries made them
hesitant to draft the corners inthis class, most of whom has had

(50:00):
significant injury histories. That's valid.
That's a valid thought. Well, Johnson, I think, stubbed
his toe. I don't know what happened,
something with this, but yeah. He got anevil draftitis.
I think we all had the ACL was it?
And then Amos had some back issues and and then I forget the

(50:22):
other corner out of Michigan whohad like a hip injury, something
like that. That's or maybe it wasn't
Michigan, but he was, he's a top50 player.
He wasn't on my board. But yeah, he had some hip
injury. And I'm like, you got to turn
your hips this corner. Like how are you going to come

(50:43):
back from that? Is it going to be the same?
I don't know. That was also Willie Johnson,
was it? Yeah.
And then Terry Porter was the only one who I don't think had
any injuries. I thought it was somebody else.
Yeah. I was going to say, the only

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center that I've been looking forward to in next year's Jack
Draft is the center out of Florida Slaughter, I think.
It's slaughter. Slaughter is the real deal.
Yeah, he's so. He's so much fun.
And he's got, he's got a really good bill, too.
Like he's just he, he looks perfect for the for the ball.

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So SDN says Jenkins is due twenty, $25 million next year at
age 31. Or I was thinking about Benjamin
Morrison. Oh yeah?
Well, he was, that was. But he was from Notre Dame,
wasn't he? Or am I crazy?
Yeah, that's right. He's Notre Dame.
No James fans, be pretty ticked that you got no day in Michigan.

(51:52):
All right, we have two questionsI want to hit from too old for
this Halo dershow. Are you in the chat here?
I wish Brian Maffey was in the chat here Snake keep it out
again. OK, so cool for this says.
What flavor is that? Is that pink lemonade?
I can't show you the the logo onhere because it's redacted

(52:12):
because we don't we don't air the name or the logo of this
company because they don't sponsor us yet.
Someday they will and then we'lltalk about how delicious they
taste and where you can buy themhow cheap they are.
This is the sour pink lemonade flavor of my redacted energy.

(52:33):
And Speaking of redacted energy,so me and tool for this and
Tyler Dershow Chris don't say that word.
We can't say that word. We are starting our own company,
as you know, redacted energy. Here we go, Redacted energy, so.

(52:54):
I like it. So too old for this.
Threw this up for us. This is redacted energy derail
your exhaustion. I'm excited to announce we have
some new freaking flavors. These are football inspired.
They are delicious. We're going to start with my
favorite these and Packers. We also have this one is

(53:23):
sponsored by Tool. For this, we have a Minnesota
Vikings flavor empty trophy case.
We also have Chicago Bears flavor the 1980s called and last

(53:46):
but not least, bringing up the rear Detroit Lions flavor Crying
Lions. Crying Lions.
It's probably my favorite. Morning Choking Hazard contains
kneecaps coming to a store near you.
I promise that the Cheese and Packers 1 is not cheese
flavored. It is.

(54:09):
It is Vince Lombardi flavored. That's that sounds much better.
Guru says redacted energy is legitimately amazing branding.
Yeah, thank you too all for this.
I like it, I like it. I was thinking maybe like a
Brandy old fashioned flavour. Do you know you don't like that?
Be an OK energy drink. That's exactly what the the

(54:32):
cheese and Packers flavour is anyway.
I can see in all your all its glory cheese and Packers
flavoured redacted energy derailyour exhaustion, Chris the
casual end says pink lemonade tasty confirmed Yeah, this this
flavor of of this beverage company that shall not be named

(54:52):
because they don't pay us any sponsorship money.
I miss my camera doing it, so stupid.
Power pink lemonade it is. It's one of the more refreshing
ones and I've been way behind onsleep lately, so I really need
this to get me through. So redacted energy out there.

(55:12):
So just a taste of what you could get.
If you're paying us just a little bit of sponsorship money,
you'd have this great commercial, but with your actual
name in there. So all right.
And then now we're gonna get to the football question from Tool
for this. I'm curious if they plan to use
up the cap space on a player cough cough Hendrickson cough

(55:36):
cough TJ Watt. Chris, I'm going to let you
answer this first because I tookthe last last couple first.
I, I absolutely think that they're going to sign somebody.
I think what if I look at the average cap space that we go
into the season playing with? I mean, 30 million seems pretty

(55:57):
high. And I feel like usually we're
hovering around like 10 to 15. So when I look at, you know,
spot track to look at available free agents, I'm like, you know,
who's about, you know, 10 million that I would be thinking
that that would be who they would be going for.
I don't know. I don't know edge player.

(56:18):
I have to think that they're going to go for quarterbacks but
filter on edge like maybe not those guys.
I'm leaning they don't bring anybody in.
I'm leaning, yeah, maybe, maybe there's a 5 to 8 or $9 million

(56:43):
pickup at some point here. But we have, we just have a
bunch of guys with extensions coming up.
And I think the Packers would. You think they're just going to
use it to get ahead of it so they can get ahead of the cap
for a SEC their next run? I think that's what I think

(57:04):
that's what you got coming. I mean you got Exact Tom alone
is going to be tremendously pricey.
You got Devante Wyatt the exact same time.
Yeah, they had a lot of pics from those that recent draft.
Yeah, 2022 and 2023 classes, I think we're really, really

(57:27):
incredible. And you know, there's a there's
a price that comes with with retaining that.
So next year, the Packers have to pay Quay Walker.
They have to make a decision on Christian Watson that you guys
already talked about. That doesn't make sense.

(57:53):
Why would Anthony Belt do this on there?
So and then and then you have a Romeo Dobbs decision to make and
they're probably moving on from him.
But also like today, hitting where we are, you have no idea
which wide receivers at the end of the season.
You're going to be feeling like our our priorities to keep

(58:14):
around and pay. You also have Kingsley and Agbar
and he's not going to break the bank, But if you want to keep
him around, and I think you should, he's probably going to
get I I would think he's probably going to get in the
range of at least 10 mil. Maybe they don't keep him, maybe

(58:37):
they don't. It does seem like the Packers do
not like Kingsley as much as I do, but Zach time is, is clearly
going to be the really big line item thing.
And then the Rashid Walker question, you know, maybe, maybe
the Packers look at this and say, hey, now we're in a
situation where we have the typeof money that allows you to keep
Rashid Walker. And he is certainly in the top

(59:02):
half of starting left tackles inthe NFL.
Jake and I did this what, 2 weeks ago?
We were looking at the top like 16 left tackles and then it fell
and it was like, not hard at allto figure out where Rasheed
Walker fit in there. He wasn't in the top 10, but he
was in the top 16 and it was pretty undeniable, Aaron says.

(59:27):
How likely is Jalen Ramsey? I keep forgetting Jalen Ramsey
still only because he needs to hang it up.
Yeah, Jay Jabian Clowney's around still.
You hitting Manning? Hey, Manning, bring him back.
Yeah, he was a good player. He won a Super Bowl.
That's. What I heard.

(59:48):
Aaron says honestly, spend it all in the trenches.
Thank you. Hey Brian Gudikins, take a leaf
out of Aaron's book STN, says Coy Walker.
I think it's a that comment has been in there for a minute.
Sorry for not reading it when you first put it in there there,
he says Preston and Zedarius areboth available.

(01:00:08):
That's crazy that it's. Yeah, I mean, Preston's doesn't
have a lot left in the tank, andhe was pretty darn bad with the
Steelers after he moved on from us.
And then Zedarius is crazy. Zedarius needs to go play with

(01:00:30):
the bears so he can complete thequadruple crown.
He also needs to the entire NFC.North.
He's been with the and then the the AFC North too.
He's only three, three teams away from having the entire N.
He just needs to go to the Steelers, Bengals and Bears.
So figure out which one of thosethree teams he can go to this

(01:00:51):
year and see if he can get two more years out of his career.
Chris says they shouldn't pay Quay, but Goody will no doubt.
I I want to keep Quay. I didn't want to keep him for
the 5th year option amount, but I would rather keep him than not
keep him. And I think that we can keep

(01:01:15):
him. I think he's not going to price
himself out of our availability with other teams.
There's not other teams who are going to be salivating over him.
He says I would not pay 55. Is that Kingsley?
Is Kingsley 55 or are you saying55,000,000 for somebody sign

(01:01:39):
Kendall Fuller? There you go, Drew said.
I'm not saying we should sign them, just saying we dropped
them at the right time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
The the Smith brothers, yeah, nodoubt.
Well, I will disagree though. We should have moved on from ZA
year before we did. I was so ticked that we brought
Z back. I was so mad.

(01:02:00):
And then that was a horrible decision.
SDN says if Ramsey gets cut, thePackers like generational
players such as Peppers and Woodson.
I could see them kick the tires off that.
I wouldn't say Ramsey's generational, but he's certainly
for the right price. They would, yeah, they'd bring
him in for sure. I mean, you look at you even

(01:02:21):
just look at some of the former first round busts that they
have, you know, brought in for aa few weeks.
I mean, like right now in the building we have Isaiah, that is
the guy's name #8 overall from 2020, the linebacker from
Arizona. Isaiah Simmons.
Isaiah Simmons and then we also brought in Jalen Smith and we

(01:02:45):
brought in that cornerback from the Raiders was here for like 2
minutes and he was a safety. He was a safety, second round
safety from 2019, I can't remember what his name was and
he was here for 5 minutes and then they got him, Aaron says.

(01:03:08):
Was Asante Samuel Junior bad? Why is he not signed anywhere?
I mean, he was kind of a little bit of a flash in the pan as a
rookie and kind of downhill a little bit after that.
I mean, he has moments, but he. Just hasn't picked up.
Yeah, he hasn't been that solid quarterback for the Chargers.
Yeah, yeah, he's, he certainly has struggled.

(01:03:32):
I feel like Samuel or or Farley,like I feel like you could get
those guys on like a low cost that just had like, you know, a
dice roll on a guy might be ableto turn it around with a
different coaching staff. I mean, I, I hate to bet on a
name like a Satya Samuel, but kind of liked Caleb Farley.

(01:03:56):
But Carolina? Yeah.
Drew says Jimmy Grant and I can't read that it's censored.
I don't know Hope Emoji or two others.
We tried. I don't know what who.

(01:04:16):
I have no idea what the other name is.
I don't know that name, that sounds unfamiliar.
Adam says Ramsay is now a safetyand green blade.
He has plenty of those there. I'm I'm not opposed to bringing
in Ramsey. I just I don't have the same
like star power off Ramsey that.And I feel like if you're
playing, you know, 80% of your snaps are zone, which is kind of

(01:04:41):
like what the Packers tend towards.
Like, it's much easier to put safeties in those sort of
quarterback rolls than it is to get it, you know, to admit.
Try to make him play true man. I should bring up that the

(01:05:02):
defensive coverages from all of last year.
What is it? Yeah, you have that.
Yeah, let me put it in here. To grab we we're about to wrap
up, but this is definitely worthhitting before we wrap up and I

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apologize that we're only going for an hour today we're doing oh
Drew said Mercedes Lewis was another stead tight end.
We tried that that chat is a that message is just a there's a
lot going on there. So Mercedes Lewis, I didn't, I
didn't feel like he was like a big name before we brought him
in and I feel like he dramatically improved his a

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career reputation with his time with us.
I thought he ended up being a fantastic addition.
So not sure they're not trying to to argue with you.
I I think you and I are kind of on the same page here, but he
was, to your point, he's like the the one, the one example

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that you can point to of highly regarded, highly drafted guy we
brought in. And then it was just, it worked
right away. Lewis was the first.
It was Lewis. I'm giving blank Lewis.
Oh, Mercedes Lewis, idiot. OK, here.

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I got the image that you sent me.
Yeah, hold on. There we go.
Sorry about that. Just trying to make it more
visible. All right, defensive coverage is
during the 2024 NFL season. So we got the Packers number
third by EPA per rock play coverzero 2% of the time, which is

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pretty low man cover 116% of thetime, about average cover 2 man,
not at all interesting. 0% of the snaps notice it played cover
2 zone 25%. That is kind of shocking to me
that you'd be cover 2 zone 25% of the time and you'd run cover

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2 man 0% of the time. From those looks that seems
improbable. What do you think about that?
I couldn't. I was trying to pull the data
set using R and they use NFL fast R, but they have their own
data set that covers every play in the NFL over season where you

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can sort it. And it's I mean, I don't, it
seemed it seemed accurate. I mean, I don't know who puts in
the data but. I mean, like league wide cover 2
man, not a lot of people ran a ton of it.
You had the Jaguars at 7% leading the league.
You got a lot of 1 and 2% here. But it's just shocking to me

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that we almost led the league with tied for second place in
cover 2 zone 25% and just 0% rent in cover 2 man look out of
that or rent cover 2 man out of that look cover 333% of the
time. Would you expect that to go up
or down this year now that our cornerback room is, is, I would

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say, markedly thinner than it was last year, just with, you
know, Jair and Ballantyne not bein there and you're hoping to
maybe work Javon Bullard in there.
You didn't cover 3 zone goes up or down this year.
I mean that the trash across theleague is is cover threes going

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up but. Can you just led the league at
48% and you got the Panthers at 41%?
That makes sense. But I look at like the teams who
go to, you know, the teams in the Super Bowl with like the
Chiefs and the Eagles, and you're like, they're just

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running more man coverage schemes.
And I'm like, I wonder if that'sjust because, you know, it
speaks to like talent, their talent pools and their ability
to to do that. Yeah, I mean, the Chiefs are
certainly running man frequentlythan other teams are.

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They're still playing it less often than they do zone.
The Eagles little bit higher in cover one than some other teams,
but not outrageously higher. They did lead the league in
cover 6 zone, right? They they had a jillion
fantastic DBS on that roster, sothat's not too surprising.

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Maybe a little surprising seeingthe Lions up there. 37% man
cover. There's zero good cornerbacks,
Yeah. I mean, they got 22 good
safeties, no good corners and they're playing much.

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Yeah, one man 1 Lions lead the league or anything.
So I think we're built to be a three team.
CN 40 says just to push the theory.
Look at the Dolphins snaps, the Ramsey incoming.
Well, hey, I mean, the situationthat our DB room is in right

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now, absolutely. I think throwing Jalen Ramsey
into the mix would improve that room, no question about it.
So I'm I'm for it, you know, if we're not overpaying, I'm
absolutely for it. And I would say maybe with where
we're at with cap space and corners, and I know that, you
know, we already had the conversation about Zsa dear Z
corner today. I think you could still play in

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that corner. I think you could certainly make
the case that we could afford topay him more than a lot of other
teams could, that he's worth more to us than he would be in
some teams. So I would certainly be on board
with with the theory that overpaying for some teams versus
overpaying for us might not be the same.

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Chris, we're about to wrap up and get out of here.
Any final thoughts from you regarding anything we talked
about or thoughts? About the.
Season going. I think we are Vijay Raji days
away from the first regular season games.
So go, Pat, go. Go Pat, go everybody make sure

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you go check out Chris. He's at extrapolated on Twitter.
Chris, thank you so much for agreeing to come on here.
Really appreciate you want to have you again on here.
You know, as you told me, draft is your thing.
And so we're, you know, I'll once.
We get more into the season, some prospects get some play.

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I think we can have another conversation and plus.
Love to have big love to have you back on here as a regular
contributor because always enjoyhearing your input and thoughts
and seeing your cool projects that you're working on because
you always got great projects. The words of late, great Mr. Ed
policy, Chris, you can even get your hand over your heart.

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Thank you all so much for listening.
Go, go.