Edgerrin Cooper, Lukas Van Ness, or Jayden Reed? Which Young Player Can Elevate the Packers?

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Welcome back to Derailed. I am your host, JJ Leahy here
with my good friend Jake Schwenk.
Jake, thank you so much for joining us.
You know, we missed you appreciate having Chris one and
only Chris Jackman on here last week.
But we did miss you. So I'm I'm glad that you're back
in the studio with us today. Feels good to be back for sure.

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I know there's a lot to talk about.
There was a quick, pretty quick get into the live show last week
because of a certain player getting released.
But yeah, this will be a fun onetoo.
If you haven't, those who are listening and and watching, if
you haven't seen the title, haven't read it, should be a
good one. So.

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Yeah, I am excited about today'stopic.
I'm even more excited that we have KDS in the chat.
Man, it has been a long, stinking time since we've had KD
here in the derailed chat with us.
I mean, like, shoot, feels like a year.
It's probably only been like 8 months, but it feels like a year
since we've had KD. So KD, we have missed you.
I'm glad you're in here. And we have Tyler Derschild, the

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one and only he said derailed and policy speaks.
What a great day. Yeah.
And there's been a lot of Witchers, foreign or Ed.
Oh, and the matters foreign policy on this pod, That's our
other pod, he railed. After dark, where we talk about
politics. Yeah.

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JJ hasn't invited me to that oneyet.
Actually, I don't, Jake, I don'tthink that you and I ever, even
like in private, have ever broach the topic at all.
I'm going to be 1000% honest. I have no idea where you stand
politically. I would guess you probably don't
know where I stand politically. It just never comes up 'cause
when you and I are talking off camera, we're usually talking

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movies, to be honest. Yes, usually movies, usually
anything extra that we thought of.
Sometimes that may be related tolike non Packers football.
Usually. Oh yeah, right.
There's a lot of big. 10 talk that happens as well when we
when we go clear of the show so.Yeah.

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And one one of the worst things that we do is sometimes we hop
on here early, like 1520 minutesearly to test audio, whatever,
you know, just be extra preparedand we get going on a topic and
we'll look down and be like, shoot, we are like 5-10 fifteen
minutes late getting started because we're talking ball and

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then we press go and we're like,well, I don't really want to
like restart that same conversation over from the
beginning, but it was really good.
So all right, so Jake, you know,last week Chris and I talked
about the kind of surprise release of Jair and it it feels

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silly to say surprise release since there was a six month
build up to it. But still, just like the way it
happened still ended up feeling shocking in the moment.
And I think that it overall ended up being ended up being
kind of a downer episode becauseChris and I were both kind of
bummed about the state of the cornerback room.

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And you and I have talked kind of a lot on here about just the
overall thinness of the cornerback and D line rooms and
how, you know, those kind of compound each other a little bit
and that, you know, it's it's maybe a bit of a worrisome
situation for the defense. And so then I have kind of spent

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the whole week feeling a little down about the state of the
roster. And I think I put my finger on
where the the disappointment andfrustration is coming from for
me. And that is that there's a
number of extremely talented young guys aren't contributing
much. And so I wanted to talk to you

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today, talk with you today aboutwhere these young guys might
step up and which of them have the greatest potential to really
propel the Packers forward. You know, you look at like
Devante Wyatt, I feel like he's kind of already arrived, like he
had kind of a lot of injury problems this past year that

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were a problem. But when he was available, he
was a game wrecker. We need more Devante Wiles.
Obviously, Edrin Cooper last year, you know, did not get end
up getting to play a ton of snaps, but when he was out
there, he looked really good. He was a force of positive

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damage for the defense. And we have seen flashes from
Jaden Reed, Tay Wix, even Lucas Van Ness.
I want to go through the guys who are not regular contributors
who have potential to do so. And maybe the best place to

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start is to take a look at, you know, the recent draft classes
for the Packers and and, you know, acknowledge the guys who
are contributing because we super appreciate that.
And I accidentally closed my window just I got to pull back

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up. Thank goodness for Control Shift
T that lets you reopen your tab that.
You just closed. So, you know, looking back at
2022 is kind of where we had to look back because basically the
2021 draft quest is not here anymore.
But early in 2020, there's a pile of guys who are

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contributing and a few guys who maybe it's time to give up on.
And after 2022, there's just a bunch of untapped potential.
I'm going to hit a couple of comments before we really dig
into this. Drew, thank you for joining.
Happy to have you on here. Katie says Quay and Lucas Van
Ness are the ones that come to mind right away, although Quay

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was coming out at the end of last year.
I agree with that. The Brotherhood Sports says
Lucas Van Ness, Devante Wyatt and Quay Walker need to step up
big time. And Katie also wants to know how
much does the LV NS hand actually affect him.
That is an interesting one to touch on as well.

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Maybe we will dive into that more when we get to the 2023
draft class. Let's first start with 2022.
So Kuwait Walker, Devante Wyatt,the two first round picks, I
don't know where you stand. I I think that that Devante
Wyatt has arrived already, that he is a solid contributor, can

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be a game wrecker. And if he had been able to stay
healthy all last year, we would not be having any conversations
at all other than how much is itgoing to cost us to give him
this extension. Yeah, I think that's where the
Packers have already decided that, right?
They've, they've made that fifthyear option, you know, you know,

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they, they put it in ink essentially with that fifth year
option of like, no, no, we're, we're keeping him around 'cause
I, I do think the, the only thing that yeah, kept Devante
Walker or Devante Wyatt from essentially arriving last year
was just that he didn't play as much, right.
We, we lost him for a few games there in, in kind of the middle
of the season where I think if you, you, if, if he played the

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full year, I think a lot of Packer fans would, would be in
agreement. They'd be like, no, no, he's
this, he's the guy, he's he's our guy rushing the passer, no
question about it. His disruptiveness is, is what's
going to sort of carry this front as long as they get more
contributions elsewhere. So yeah, I, I think as long as
he plays a full season this year, I think we'll see that and
it will be very evident why Green Bay picked up that fifth

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year option. Yeah.
I don't think we have to put to,you know, do dive in too much
on, on, on Wyatt because I, I think we are in agreement that,
yeah, he's essentially would be considered the guy if he played
the full season in in 2024. And you know, the fact that the

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Packers declined Quay Walker's fifth year option, but they like
him and want to get a deal done with him and they just don't
think that he's worth the the 5th year option.
That to me like that this is thewhole problem with why I don't
want to draft a freaking linebacker in the first round.
You're saying, well he's not worth the 5th year option

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because he's a linebacker like Ilike.
Well then do you think that there is an off ball linebacker
who they would say is worth the 5th year option?
Because I don't. I just don't think that that
there is a an off ball. Maybe Cooper will be but.
I mean. Like he wasn't picking the
first. So it makes it very difficult.

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It makes it very difficult to golike you look at the first round
linebacker history and like who's worth the 5th year option?
Who, who would you have placed that fifth year option on?
It's again why you look at, you know, boy.
Walker has been a hit like like the Packers would tell you, they
think Koay Walker is a hit and yet because he's an off ball
linebacker they don't want to pay him what the 5th year option

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is. So why'd you spend a first round
pick on him? That's why I'm asking.
Dirchel says. Need some love for my boy Javon
Bullard. Jewel for this says yo sorry I'm
late, was on the phone. Maybe I should read this quietly
before I read it out loud just in case he says something crazy.
Sorry I'm late, was on the phonewith my brother while he was

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complaining about people on Facebook marketplace.
I do wish I had read that quietly in my head that was.
Thanks, Jewel. Excellent, love that.
All right, go, go ahead, Jake. Yeah, I mean, it comes again,
the, the first round, there's a lot of different ways you could

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go with it. I I think the the surplus value
of taking a linebacker, even if it's, you know, in in the 20s
just really isn't there based onthe, you know, history of what
we've seen with the return on investment of, of, of the
linebacker position. Where kind of that the best
value has has been over the pastdecade is it's obviously not
been in the first, right. Again, you can look at the

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Roquan Smith's probably the the one that you would go, Yep,
that's the hit in the first round, like immediately, you
know, if you were talking about recent history.
So yeah, I mean, I, I it, it just the, the surplus value of
the fifth year option and then what they're being paid relative
to their performance based on what the top players are getting

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at the position right is, you know, it's it's minimal.
You pick up that fifth year option for for Quay, you know,
it's I I don't know what the number is in terms of he's the
top X, you know, paid linebackerin the league, but it, it's
significant, right? And it, it it isn't that
significant when you look at Devante Wyatt.

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If you believe in Devante Wyatt enough of like, yeah, he's an
impact pass wishing defensive tackle.
Like 12 million next year in 2026 is very minimal compared to
what some of these guys are making now, right?
Like gosh, Odigi Zua in Dallas. I don't, I remember what the
number was 1718. Was it 20?
I don't even like doing exactly that.

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And so you're getting that valuefrom from Wyatt in that fifth
year relative to what Odigi Zua just got from I think from
Dallas. So he.
Got 20? Yeah, 24 years.
Yeah, so you 8 million in value difference between him and Odigi
Zua, which I feel like if Walker, if Wyatt, gosh, I'm
gonna just keep messing up theirnames.
If Wyatt plays the full season, you go, yeah, no, he he he's on

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that level and he's making, you know, and then we'll do this.
We'll have this conversation next offseason.
Like, wow, look at that. He's making $8 million less then
Odigi Zua's AAV over the course of his current deal.
And, and there will be obviouslyother comparisons you can make
as well. Madhubwique obviously has a big
number from Baltimore who I think deserved it.
But again, that's why you you take defensive tackles in the
1st and that's why, you know, inthe Van Ness draft, right, there

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are a lot of defensive lineman that win the first round, right?
Defensive tackles and edge rushers because everybody's
like, let's get the value on this.
We think the glass is deep, might as well take them.
So and it happens at linebacker.It's why Gente wasn't the 1st
overall pick, right? Gente is now got the second most
guaranteed money in the league at running back, right?
Because he was picked at #6 So again, that's that's why you
look at certain positions and you go, yeah, so we want the

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surplus value of the QB, obviously offensive tackle,
receiver, defensive tackle, right edge corner, right?
Those are the ones where you look at it the most and go,
that's where we're getting the most value in the first.
So why did they take Way Walker in the 1st That lends to the
other conversation that I think is is much more difficult, you
know, to kind of quantify and qualify is like every draft is

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different. So if you feel like there's a
drop off there, then then yes, the surplus value doesn't tell
you that. But maybe, you know, based on
where you have everybody in in akind of a big grouping grade
wise, it's like, well, if thingsfall off, the 20s aren't really
where the biggest value is goingto come in that draft.
And I think that that curve can shift based on obviously
perception of the class in general and then also the

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results when you look back at it.
So Green Bay, I think is was in a weird spot in that draft.
I think for one, I think they were in a weird spot in 2025 as
well, maybe other than one guy who I'm, you know, I'm sure was
brought up last week because because Gyre got released.

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But like sometimes when you're in the 20s, it's a weird spot
that, you know, the the the quote UN quote consensus first
round picks, they're gone. And now you're in a kind of a
big pool from 20 to 4020 to 5020to 60, depends on the draft.
So that's what's I think the most difficult, excuse me, about
kind of putting all the pieces together with the Quay pick is

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like, yeah, would you have one? Would you have taken him there?
I think we were both on the sideof no.
I remember Quay being my linebacker 5 in that class which
I think. He was my player number 100
exactly. Right.
So it's like, you know, it it I understand what they're thinking
about with this because, you know, they they're like, OK,

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big, fast, athletic linebackers is kind of the future of like,
Hey, we got to constrict space. So we need these guys who are
big, who we think, OK, if they're big enough, right, we'll
be able to take on blocks, play within the tackles and also be
athletic enough to, you know, constrict space wherever it be
in the middle of fielder on the perimeter, right?

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So I understand it. But also a guy like Leo Chanel
was also athletic and also, you know, could play around the box
and and was drafted, I think 70 some picks later.
And so there there is kind of that, you know, all of these
factors that go into that. And so, yeah, it's it's a tough
one. What I've picked Quay there.

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No, no. Do I understand the process?
Sure, yes, kind of. But yeah, he is there.
There's a reason they they aren't picking up that fifth
one. They're maybe not completely
sure on on the ceiling and wherehe can get in this year.
But also like, you know why we pick up that option if we can
pay him less per year on a deal coming back, right.
Like that's so, so there's all of that, that, that goes into

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it. That's again, that's what makes
the draft so interesting and so difficult and so fun.
And like, it's, it's, it's all those things.
By the way, tool for this is asking, is this KDS in the chat?
Is this the same Katie that we had the Matt Ramage?
That what a what a time. So I ran into Matt at the at the

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draft. He definitely remembers this as
he should was Matt. Matt is going to come back on
here again soon. Not exactly sure when because we
didn't put it on the books, but we definitely wanted to have
Matt back on the pod absolutely,very soon.
Absolutely. So it is.

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I do notice it's a trending theme with you and me and also
with Chris when we have him on here.
I noticed that we are starting to critique Guti's drafting a
little more in recent years thanwe used to.
We should. We do need to stay focused
though, on what we're doing today, which is, yeah, talking

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about how these guys can really step up and have breakout
seasons. Just have Matt redacted with us.
I don't know if Matt would want to drink a redacted because.
My drink is not redacted. Yeah, there's other redacted.
I think, I think Matt is going to drink and then come on and
then we will have to redact someof the things that he said.

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Well, that's possible, yeah. That's why you got to be here
for the live stuff that you know, 'cause we can't really.
The 20/22/2022 we kick off with Quay, Walker, Devante, Wyatt,
Christian Watson. So Walker, Wyatt Watson and then
later we take another Walker. So you know, you were already
struggling with Walker versus Wyatt.
So we got 4 WS now. Yeah.

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Walker Walker Watson do do you, do you think that that that
Christian Watson, you know, pre injury has kind of maxed out
what he can be for the Packers or do you think there's still
more to tap into if, if he returns from injury and they
bring him back on a new contract, you know, 'cause this

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is this is his final year. Yeah, I don't.
I think the late season stretch last year and then obviously
that four-game stretch with with12 where he was just on a
heater. I think that shows you what the
ceiling is. I don't think.
I don't think there's a. Magical this this past year, he

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certainly turned a corner and elevated 100% but like but like
do you think that that is him arriving or do you think there
is still like things? Hey, there's there's wide
receiver one in there somewhere and and he can tap into that
further. Or do we just need what he has
been consistently like? That's what we need, yeah, 24
Watson's, but. Consistency.

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Yeah, I think so. I don't think again.
I I I was pretty critical of theWatson pick.
Well, you remember how much I did not want prior to picking
him. Simply because I just thought
that if you were looking for this sort of well-rounded 3
phase three level player that I just didn't think he was going

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to be it and I don't think he isand and that's not a bad thing,
right It it's not I I think thathe is maxed out in the sense of
like the reliability at the catch point has gotten so much
better, right. We've talked a lot about like
what he does, you know, with stem contact more as he
stretches the field. Like I just don't think you're

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looking at. And I love this bite from Adam.
Yeah, I don't think Watson has aone in him like a top 10 ish.
Yeah, I don't think we're going to ever see that.
I think he can sort of entrench himself in the 20 to 35 area,
which across the league, again, I don't think there are 32 true

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ones right, at least yet. We'll see on some of some of
these rooks, but I think he can confidently say that like you
are putting an elite receiver tofield stretching player who has
his, you know, has his his gameswhere he can just go off because
of the size and speed and because he has kind of gotten a

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hold on it right. I don't think he's ever going to
be the guy who's running qualitydig routes and comeback routes
and, you know, winning with efficiency because he just isn't
that player at this point. He doesn't he isn't
overwhelmingly physical and quick in that combination in
short succession, right? Like some of these guys are like

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you've seen the Nico Collins breakout where physically he is
imposing and it's hard to handleand he has enough athleticism to
boot, right. And so he has he has made that
leap. So there is that that sort of
thing that I just don't think you're going to get from him
because again, I, I think he's got the kind of it's still a
slender build. It's not, I feel like he isn't

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somebody you look at and go, wow, he can really breakdown and
change direction, right? This he has the explosiveness,
but can he keep it under controlin the kind of the tight window,
tight space at the break point? No, But what he is and what I
think those of us who went in and going, OK, I think he can be
this right. I think are we're still kind of

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going out like this. We've kind of realized what I
think those of us who were a little cooler on Watson of like
this is what he can be. I think he has reached that at
the very least, which should be considered a hit at this point.
Now, if you were expect, if you were expecting now there were
some out there saying he was topthree receiver in the class
thinking he was a auto elite wide receiver one then he hasn't

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lived up to that and I don't think he reaches it right.
I think again in, in the injury,obviously the injuries have
piled up and this, this latest 1is so, so disappointing and,
and, and really tough for him because I think, you know, he
could have entrenched himself asthe, the wide receiver to, you

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know, field stretcher, you know,Z, you know, give him some
gadget stuff for for a long timeAnd it, we'll see if it, it, it
materializes at this point, because obviously you bring in,
you know, a player like Savion and, and we'll see.
But I I do think like. Your favorite?
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a tough, it's a tough situation with

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Watson. So it is and and and with with
the injury status and then bringing in all the new guys,
obviously, you know, the the door is very much open to the

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possibility that, you know, his time with the Packers Silver,
which, yeah, which would be disappointed for.
Yeah, for sure. The 2022 class, you know, if
we're if we're if we're looking for guys we invested hefty draft

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capital in who need to contribute more.
I would say Quay Walker still clearly has a lot more to tap
into. You know, he's you can see the
potential there that is not being fulfilled despite the fact
that I think he has been a huge positive for the team and I'm

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glad to have him. Glad to you know that the
Packers are working on a new deal for him.
I, I, I feel like he has a lot more to tap into in a way that
Wyatt and Watson. I don't.
I don't know that they do because we've seen, I know the

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believable ceiling from Wyatt and Watson, just minus the long
term consistency both for both of them due to injuries.
I would say yeah. And then the next the next guy
up in that class is Shawn Ryan, who like I'm like borderline
ready to move on from at this point, certainly certainly have

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no interest in re signing past his rookie contract.
Romeo Dobbs and and Zach Tom that we both took in the fourth
round. Like, I mean, obviously Zach,
Tom was about to break the bank for us and, you know, and I, I
couldn't be happier. Of time, yeah.
Like Zach, Tom, you know, if you're asking like, is there

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still more for him to achieve? I, I, I'd say like, no, just
please just stay healthy. Can we get a full career out of
you? That's, that's all I'm asking
because like, I mean, he's, he'sone of the best offensive
lineman in the NFL. He has the versatility, which we
haven't really needed to tap into so far.

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But I mean, like lock down, set it and forget it.
Right tackle, you know, we have a high degree of confidence that
there's multiple other spots on the offensive line we could move
him to if we needed to and stillhave him be, you know, all pro
caliber player Romeo Dobbs. Like give me your prediction
right now whether we are bringing Romeo Dobbs back after

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2025 because like he's the the talent is there.
It's just it's such a freaking crowded room and I saw who was
it? Somebody said it's just tough.
I think it was this one. Brotherhood Sports said I would
pay Dobbs and let Watson walk. It feels doubtful that I don't.

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Think, I don't think I, I don't think Dobbs is somebody who's
getting less than 7 million a year, just letting you know.
Not even close. Like not even close.
Just. Just a a little quick one for
the chat, who's the better player, Romeo Dobbs or Darius
Slayton? Yeah, it's not even close.

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Right. And like, I'm almost, I'm
looking it up now, but I'm almost positive that yeah,
Darius slain got 12 million a year, OK, he got 3 for 36, so.
I I'm just getting more than that minimum.

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He's getting 15 minimum. Yeah, like the Jerry Judy deal
at 17 is hilarious. How how good that looks right
now for Cleveland. Like he should be making way
more than that. And so when you look at some of
these wide receiver twos especially, like they're not,
they're not going to settle. Nobody's Dobbs is Dobbs.
I'm sorry, unless, unless like, I don't, I don't know what's

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going to happen for him. Like I, I don't know what kind
of miracle we'd need, but like, I just don't think he's going to
pass on 15 from somebody to comeback to Green Bay for, you know,
20 million guaranteed. That's, that's a little
different. That's a bit.
Different can I can I say something that but like like

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maybe borderline's stupid, but maybe it's genius.
I feel like Dobbs is like a he'sa poor man's wide receiver one
and like one of the best wide receiver twos in the league.

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Like I wouldn't want him to be our one.
But if you were really confidentin your one and Dobbs is your
two, like you're you feel so good about your situation.
Like pair pair Dobbs with JustinJefferson.
Sure, Aman raw like that is. Yeah, I mean.

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Brotherhood said he's a one in apinch.
He's been a one for us at times.I mean, and this is the thing by
having this like rotational widereceiver room that we have,
we've had multiple guys kind of be a one for two weeks at a
time, which is like, you know, Imean, I like superstar to be a

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superstar. You got to be consistently great
and none of our guys are consistently great, but they've
demonstrated greatness at times and I think we've seen greatness
the most frequently from Dobbs of the guys that we have.
What do you think? Yeah, probably he he's come up

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bigger I think in moments than than the others have to this
point. Maybe minus Watson down the
stretch. I I'd have to go through it and
say he's one of the best number twos.
I'm trying to go through it my head at the moment and I'm at

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like a maybe. But like, again, it's it's a
weird offense because there are certain offenses that can get
away with stuff like this where you can bunch stuff up.
You can make 4 strong on one side of the field where you have
a sacrificial ex as some have said, right?

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I think somebody somebody said it way back up.
Yeah, Adam's Adam Huddle said itthat Watson's the sacrificial X
So you can kind of have that because other guys, you know,
you have ways to to scheme players, you know, open.
So yeah, I still think like he does AI think he probably did

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the second best job of anybody getting like truly open on a
variety of routes last year other than Wix, but was
obviously a little more reliablethan Wix was in, in terms of
moving the chains. So yeah, I think.
It's a the brotherhood says Dobbs is 20 mil guaranteed.

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And and I, I think, I think I'm kind of settling on Dobbs might
get close to 20 mil per year. I'm I'm feeling a three-year
deal for somewhere between 50 in60 total, maybe maybe three
years, 50 mil, something like that sounds about right to me

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for Dobbs. Yeah, Where's Judy's is right
now? Yeah, that's possible.
Trying to think I know someone, somebody said it.
Somebody said he's Tyler Dirchell said he's going to play
for the Panthers. Chargers have a lot of cap
space. Vegas has a lot of cap space.
Pittsburgh has already been talked about with, you know,

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kind of being interested. Yeah, those would those would
make sense. And those teams could shell out
that much. Maybe Washington gets involved.
Going to go to Pittsburgh and catch passes from Will Howard.
Or whoever they. Yeah, or whoever they draft next
year, yeah. So not.
Going to draft anybody? Steelers draft a quarterback,

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buddy. They just drafted one in 2021.
It's it's really soon to draft another one, even though you
know, he's not with the team anymore.
Right. Got to, got to give it a few
more years. Yeah.
So, you know, I think yeah, Bateman got 20 mil guaranteed,

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36 for three, which I don't knowhow much.
I don't know how much would. You rather have Dobbs or
Bateman? That's tight for me.
Hey, we got Acme Army podcast tuning in.

(34:04):
That's tight. Nice to see you in the chat
here. Long time no see.
Dobbs 60 mil. Watson 55 mil, Read 70 mil.
Wix 100 mil. I'll go sign on.
Wix 100 mil. Heck yeah, give Wix all the
money. I don't know.
I'll I'll get back to you on that one.
I'm unsure I'll get back to you.All right, Adam has some juicy

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gossip that I don't. I didn't hear about this at all,
but that's not that surprising. Didn't it lightly get reported
his camp asked for the Judy dealand then he instantly was
rumoured as part of the D game right?
Yeah, I mean, Judy's base salaries are like really nice

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right now for Cleveland. So yeah, I mean, if I were them,
I'd be asking for something likethat.
Yeah, he got 3. Well, Judy got a lot guaranteed.
Holy cow. So Judy got 3 for 52, right?

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He had 41 guaranteed at signing.That's a lot.
I don't think Green Bay's going to be doing that much
guaranteed. But I mean that those contract
terms could, could be something they're looking at because I
mean, JJ, you kind of brought that up was like, they could
absolutely do that. So, you know, not shocking, You

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know, I mean, Pittsburgh literally has nobody.
I mean, they want Roman Wilson to be the guy.
Maybe it's #2 but like they don't have anything right now.
Roman. Wilson, as far as I'm concerned,
so he's, yeah, I just don't. I don't know how you fix it from
what I've heard. He's not going to be Darnell
Mooney, so. From what I've heard, Pittsburgh

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is desperately trying, desperately in Pittsburgh, you
know, fashion, trying to add another pass catcher.
They're calling about tight endsand wide receivers.
What's his name? John Jonathan Jones.
Is that his name? Jonathan Jones was reporting

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that. Oh, he's in the media now.
He was reporting. Jonathan Jones.
Yeah, that some teams have. Some GMs have been complaining
that the Steelers are calling teams and making really low ball
offers for various players. Oh, I'm sure.

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Like calling about guys like Jonnu Smith and offering a
conditional sixth round pick, like stuff like that.
Yeah, in true Pittsburgh fashion.
I mean, the only the only thing that would be less surprising
would be the Packers doing that.But yeah, the Steelers are doing
that. So.
Yeah. I don't understand this comment
at all. I will replace Wyatt with

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Musgrave I think. Hold on, maybe I remember.
No, he was talking about. I know he was talking about.
Guys that he thought, here it is.
Here's his original Van Ness, Wyatt and Walker.
So now he's saying Van Ness, Musgrave and Walker.
And I think that that's I, I, I like that take because we're
going to turn our attention to 2023.
I would say like 2022. The 2022 class is certainly

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making contributions and everywhere you would hope that
they would. And we feel like there's a
little bit of untapped potentialfor a couple guys, most notably
Quay Walker and like if Shawn Ryan, you know, finally puts it
all together and becomes a consistent, reliable right guard

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for us, great. I'm not holding my breath, but
that was certainly elevate the team.
But that's kind of maybe like the one area would be like maybe
Shawn Ryan or like getting some more from Romeo Dobbs or
Kingsley and Nagbar. You know, the one of those guys
just kind of turning it on full time instead of flickering.

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You know that that that would help.
But 2023 I feel is maybe the spot where we've got the most
untapped potential. So obviously it starts with #13
overall, Lucas Van Ness. For sure.
And when we drafted him, like I was very vocal about saying he
was my number one overall prospect in that class and that

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his his ceiling was JJ Watt. Like that's, that's how I felt
about him, but that he was extremely, extremely raw.
And it's, it's certainly borne itself out that you like, you
can see the flashes, you can seethe potential and he's got a
body for days and you, we could play him inside or outside.

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And you know, the, the, the question is like, is the
development going to what's that?
I need that Cliff. We'll get that out you need.
You know what? Wait a minute.
Where's the there? It's like, does it?
Did that show up on your screen when I pressed that button?
Do you see that? OK, well, it showed up for me.
There's a new feature that this software added where you can

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press a key. I forget what it is for you.
I mapped it to S on my keyboard.Oh.
And it'll add a, it'll add a marker so you can go back and
find your your clip later. So I just did it, but but you
know, the consistency in the development is the big thing for
for Van Ness and if if he can bea, if he can hit just what what

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we hoped he would hit in year 3,like if he can do that if we get
the year 3 from him that. You know, the Bosas and Gary and
and and and TJ Watt, you know that that we got from these guys
in year 3 and athletically, likeit's not a stretch at all to to

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ask that he could do that. But it if, if we get that kind
of breakout year in year 3 from him, that radically transforms
the defense radically. Because, you know, Rashawn right
now is our, our only reliable edge rusher.

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You need 2 guys. And like, frankly, I, I, I love
Rashawn to death. I would really like for him to
be our second best edge rusher, not our best edge rusher.
Yeah, I mean there's and. Lucas Vanessa's ceiling is much
higher than Rashawn Carey's ceiling, despite the fact that
Rashawn Carey has a crazy high ceiling.

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And we've seen we've seen Rashanhit that ceiling at times
before, you know, and again, freaking injuries because our
team cannot stay healthy, man. That would be transformational.
And I and and I think that just about everybody in the chat has
highlighted Van Ness as like, yeah, we know that he's the guy
who if he can have a breakout year, it changes this team more

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than like anybody else besides Jordan left.
Jordan left, had his breakout year.
But like, but this is the thing.It's quarterback and it's edge
rusher that those are the two positions.
If you can have a guy who is transformational.
I mean, look at frickin Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh's roster has sucked for years and yet they are

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always a force to reckon with because of one guy.
And Houston was kind of the sameway for a bunch of years too.
And there's been a plenty, I mean, you know, the, the, the
Browns don't have a terrible roster.
But there have been times over the last few years where due to
injuries and due to strange coaching and decisions and

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stuff, it's been a freaking one man show from Myles Garrett.
And you're still pretty nervous to play the Browns because you
know that Myles Garrett is enough of a Wrecking Ball that
it doesn't really matter if everybody else around him sucks.
He might still come in and wreckyour day.
Yeah, it was kind of like when Aaron Donald didn't have anybody
around him either. It was kind of like, yeah, he

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doesn't have a lot of great stuff around him, but it didn't
matter, right? And so when you have a player
where it's like, yeah, you know,the the supporting cast might
not be that great, but doesn't matter.
Like, that's what you're lookingfor.
That's why Green Bay's taking big swings in the first round of
the drafted edge rusher because they want to find somebody who's
big, you know, supremely athletic at getting find that

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that monstrous, monstrous ceiling.
And Gary was that type of swing.Van Ness is 100% that type of
swing. And yeah, I think when you look
at Van Ness even just now, like if you if you go through the
draft and you go OK, like if youjust if you put the filter on
and go OK, like Green Bay's typeand, and type that would fit

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this 4/3 of like big edge rusherwho could defend the run and be
athletic getting after the QB. It's not a long list of guys
after Van Ness where you go, Yep, that would have fit right.
It's it's not very big. Even Will McDonald a few picks
later was not a fit. They I know they brought him in
on the on the visit. He was 240.
Yes, he would have fit the 3-4, but they never wanted even those

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guys. Those those types were the 34.
So he was never going to fit. He was never going to fit that
transition for one. The the next guy was obviously
Miles Murphy, who I think JJ andI were both adamantly against
them doing that. Did not want that to happen at
13. I didn't love the Van Ness one,
but I would have been even more upset, drastically more upset,

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if the pick was Murphy. He has not done anything, I
don't think in a DK Zama is at that size.
I think he would have been more of the rotational player and
Egbari is rather than the true starter, so he can toss him out
as well. Obviously Nolan Smith is another
guy who doesn't fit there one bit.
I don't remember what Foske's measurables were out of Notre
Dame. He was maybe a little bit

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bigger, but again, he was still the lanky guy.
He wasn't. He wasn't built like a defensive
end as Keon White's probably thenext big one, right where it was
like, OK. Oh, I thought.
There was some links to that right if if Van Ness was gone.
If Van Ness was gone, they were taking they were taking Keon
White at 13, good chance I So I think the Packers were shocked

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that Van Ness was there 'cause Ithink they were planning on
taking. Keon White, There was a lot of
that Keon White smoke late. And so, you know, those are the
guys where you look at Murphy and you you can compare him to a
guy who won a few picks earlier too, to Van relative to Van Ness
and Tyree Wilson of like, yeah, he has surpassed Wilson.
He has surpassed Miles Murphy. Cam White would be an

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interesting case study. I think he's played a little bit
more up and down the line, if I'm not mistaken, in New
England. He's somebody he's been spying.
He's somebody I want to want to dive into and look at heading
into Year 3. I liked him a lot.
Too is another one from USC. I think Kuku sort of fits the
bill, but like, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

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No, it's OK. I'm just saying that that White
was my #2 edge rusher in that class.
I liked Van Ness, number one. I liked white #2 Now there was a
significant gap between the two,and I kept calling White like
the poor man's Van Ness, but butthere, there was a big gap for
me from him to Houston, the Houston guy Anderson, that they

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took back-to-back, Willie Anderson.
Yeah, there there was a big gap for me from Keon White to Willie
Anderson. Yeah.
Yeah, that's who it was. Yeah.
And so like again, there weren't, there weren't that many
with that type. Zach Harrison was somebody in
the third, right? Bigger dude and athletic, right.
That was that was in that same type.
Yaya Diaby was another one out of Louisville who's who's had

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some flashes in Tampa Bay when he's been healthy.
So again, I you know, relative to what there's been, it looks
like a fine swing, right relative to the edge rusher
position. Now, of course, and and I have
pointed out and so have many Christian Gonzalez still being
on the board hurts quite a bit because, you know, was highly

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thought and I think you're goingto potentially see some big, big
things out of him in year 3. But yeah, I mean, this draft was
a lot of swings along the defensive line and and not a lot
of it has panned out so far in the 1st.
And and I think to me again downthe line really quick like Will
Anderson. Yep, obviously.

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And then Carter, of course, likethat's yeah, those were like the
the real obvious consensus near the top, right.
Wilson has not done so for for Vegas.
Will McDonald has been fine. I think he would probably put
him next, honestly. But Kalija can't see has proven
to be just a pass rusher, right?You don't see a lot of rundown

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stuff unless he's trying to get around guys.
Who else was in this first? Mozzie Smith has been a disaster
in Dallas. Miles Murphy has been a disaster
in Cincinnati. Rosie has not gone well in New
Orleans very much. Nolan Smith's done very well for
Philly. But then Anadika Zama we really

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don't hear much of at all in Kansas City.
So again, when you look at guys of like, OK, who has room to
make that jump? Like you could maybe again, you
can throw McDonald in there right of edge rushers.
I just don't think we're going to see a lot from Murphy Wilson.
And so you have you have Anderson, you have Nolan Smith,
you have and then you have kind of McDonald and Van Ness who are

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hinging on like I know McDonald that double S the sacks last
year, which is good. So maybe he's already arrived.
He would call him the third guy and then Van Ness, who's right
there. So and he knew who actually has,
you know, shown enough to could,yeah, maybe that we could, we
could take that step. So those are kind of it for the
first round, like, you know, where where there was a lot of

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defensive lineman taken. So you know, it's, it's not a,
it's not a, it isn't a disaster yet just based on that first
round so far of like, wow, thereis, there's a lot going on in
terms of like who, who are hits.I mean, of the, of the first
rounders, the 2 running backs happen to be near the top of

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like surefire slam dunks to thispoint.
So that's where we stand. And yeah, I mean, Van Ness to
kind of bring this full circle in Van Ness where it's like, if
there are guys who can, who can do it, who can take the step, he
certainly can. Now, he's never going to be the
most flexible guy, but what he has to be able to do is use that

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explosiveness and that straight line speed and just be able to
subtly set up moves, right? Just just throw some subtlety in
there, right? The little jab step here and
there to kind of get little ghost move here and there to get
the tackles off balance, get them swiping early so that you
can get to that bull rush and beeffective doing so, right.
I think that's what makes Jared Verse over so good and why he

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was so impressive last year is because he got tackles a little
bit off schedule early. I love bull rush to run people
over right. And so when you have something
to set up the bull rush, it's going to help you out.
And I so I think if Van Ness takes that step as a pass
rusher, that's how it's going tobe done, right.
I don't again, he could be a dominant run defender for sure.

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Like I I think that's well within the range of outcomes for
him because he's so darn athletic to cover enough range
as well. But if you want to see him and I
think Jazz, you come brought up like if you want Gary to be the
two like you want Van Ness to get to that spot, like that is
the area where you go. Yep, that's what we need to see
more of because he is is very much the king of like, you know,

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just just trying to run through guys in college at Iowa.
That was like his thing. It was like build up that speed
and then just collide and hope that you could get somebody on
the ground. So if he can bring more subtlety
into the game to set that up. Talk about elevating the the
defense. It's possible for him to do it

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you. Want to talk about the other
Luke that we drafted in that same class?
Might as well. Might as well.
Yeah, Luke Musgrave. Like it's hard to be excited
about his future with the Packers.

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Yeah. Remind me, did you?
Did you like him as a prospecting college?
Are you the one? No, my my tight end rankings
were Kincaid Laporta, Craft Mayor Washington Musgrave.
It's. It's pretty darn close to I
think. Kincaid has not been here but

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but. I think I had Mayor one Craft 2
and then and then a big fall offat that point.
Oh, oh, no, no, no. Laporta.
I had Laporta head of head of yeah, no, it was, it was mayor
of Porta craft as my as my big three and then a big, a big drop

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off. And I, you know, I remember
there was there was somebody on the network who I kept going
back and forth on that for, for freaking ever about Musgrave
that he, he just was not for me.I'm like to me it's a little
hard to argue against saying that like the only 2023 pick

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who's like a no doubt about it slam dunk hit so far has been
Tucker. Craft the third or third
rounder. Like the cursed third rounder.
Like easily my favorite pick through 2 days.
It wasn't even close. Oh yeah, it wasn't even close.

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You get to, you get to day three.
I got pretty darn freaking excited about getting Carl, yes.
Wicks and Brooks? Absolutely.
Wicks and Brooks back-to-back, you know, fantastic picks, but
like craft, like we don't we don't have any doubts at all
about craft. And I, I just.
Let's get him the ball after Craft, obviously.

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The next the next name up is Jaden Reed, but he's been so
inconsistent and I'm I'm really not worried about Jayden Reid.
I think he's going to be fine. Yeah, Jayden Reid, like Jayden
Reid is the like, it's so over. We're so bad guy right now in
the class where it's like snip, snap, snip, snap.

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Like I'm just like 5 weeks. You go through five weeks of
season, you're like, gosh, all right, Well, the wide receiver
one debate's over. It's him.
It's done right. See you.
Everybody's looking at his tail lights as he's going by like,
and then it just didn't see. And then it just we, we stalled
out, you know, on the track and kind of let all the other cars

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get back in the race. And so he has definitely been
that guy so far where it's like the high highs are like, Yep,
he's got it. It's it's there, we're cooking.
And then it's like, oh, why are we we're not coming.
We're not coming in for tires, right?
You just, we're sputtering out there, right?
Like he is. That's kind of what we've what
we've seen to this point. Like he doesn't have a he, he

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never stops in the pit, JJ. He's just like, he's he's
running so hot. And then it's just kind of
everything just, you know, comescrashing down because we aren't
refuelling or we aren't putting new tires on.
And so I think, again, I don't think there's any doubt.
You look at him and you go, yeah, this is a player who could
dominate from the slot, like theperimeters.
Maybe the main question of like,could he be AZ?

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I think there's some evidence tothat.
I don't think there's enough yetto to confirm it.
But yeah, I mean, he's next on the list.
And it's because we've, you know, seen him go on these
stretches. He's got 14 touchdowns through
two seasons, which is a really, really good pace to be at,

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right? That's that's really impressive
stuff. And I, I imagine that's more
touchdowns than other guys who Ithink, you know, I think are
better than him from that class.So, you know, and, and I know
Packer fans love doing that with, with Dobbs and Watson
saying they have more touchdownsthan some of the guys in the
2022 class. But again, he's got 14 through

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what, how many game? He's 33 games Watson has. 14 and
33 games. Watson has 14 and 38 games and
then Dobbs has 15 and 43 games so.
Wait how? How many touchdowns did you say
that Reed has? He has 17 cuz he's got 3 rushing
counts. He's got 3 rushing.
He does have 3 rushing which I guess Watson has two rushing so.

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Now he's only got 300. 60 yards through two seasons, which is
just 50 less than Dobbs through what, 10 less games?
So needs 15 and 1010 more games to get to Dobbs.
So it, it, it feels like becauseof how Lefleur has built the
scheme up of like he can kind ofbe the Z technically 'cause you

(55:41):
could get him out of the bunch and you get him some good looks
and he's been able to just kind of RIP through the middle of the
field when he gets vertical, right.
Thinking that game against Pittsburgh where he makes the
big play, the Houston one that he dropped unfortunately, and
that's that's another big question is the drops.
Can he fix them as well? But like you have a player who's

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dynamic enough to to create somestress in certain spots that
that gets you really excited about him.
And obviously, obviously what hecan do after the catch is, is
also, you know, another kind of plus in the right direction for
him and going into your 3 so. Well, I'm, I'm at the point I, I

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have, I'm, I've had, I've I'm sodone with the drops.
I'm not well anymore. Excuses here.
Here's where I'm at with the drops.
Yeah. If the drops are still a problem
through like Week 2 of training camp, I am firing the wide
receiver coach. I am so effing done with the

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drops. It's coaching.
Our guys are open. Blank check Brian Hart line
blank check Ed policy will step in.
I I believe you will do the right thing, but yeah.
Like I I'm not willing to go into this season with these
continued drops. And like, I get it that we're
drafting guys who have drops problems in college, but tell me

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what our wide receiver coach does.
What does he do if our if our guys are open and every pass
hits him in the hands and they can't catch any of them and all
these offensive drives are stalling out simply because guys
can't hang out of the ball. Like, sorry, Jason Vrabel,
you're a super nice guy and like.

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Maybe that's the problem. Maybe needs to be more like
Campanile, you know, I don't know.
I used. To bring Kevin Nealon to come
coach wide receivers, Yeah, seriously, whatever.
The guys like, they know how to break football already.
Yeah. I mean, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really bad. They're not really bad drops.

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They're not really bad drops. He spots and and again.
The Wix is not absolved from this either.
By the way, this isn't like. I know Wix is the primary
offender. Right, I know we're very pro Wix
in general read like 2. Don't take this read slight as
like oh we're favoring Wix. No, no Wix says we have.
We have gone in on Wix several times because of the drops.

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And as JJ said, he is the, he isthe primary offender and he and
the drops are worse. But Reid, because we've seen
what we've seen, maybe it's because maybe you think like,
oh, they're probably holding himto a higher standard because
he's probably earned that to this point based on what he's
produced relative to Wix, right?And so that's why I think JJ

(58:34):
and, and maybe to a lesser extent myself are a little
harder on Reid because we've seen it, right?
We've seen the big plays, we've seen him do all this.
And it's like, I think you stop doing what you're doing, right?
Like that's sometimes the frustration as an armchair
person watching all this, like, no, no, you, we're on the right
track. We've seen where the right track

(58:55):
is. Don't, don't veer off, don't,
don't take a laugh. Don't, you know, stay here, stay
between the Mayo and the mustard, right?
Like and and that's probably I think the biggest thing with
Reed is like again, he's shown it.
Wix hasn't hasn't really shown it it.
Oh I I feel like Wix has shown. Much of A stretch because he

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just drops the ball. Wix to me struggles a lot more
with confidence and and I think that maybe is why I like
obviously he doesn't listen to the show.
So it's, you know, stupid, but Ithink that's why I don't go as
hard on Wix is because it seems to me that it's like nerves and

(59:37):
confidence and like he just getsjittery and you know, like, OK,
we're we're not supposed to say the word, the four letter Y
word. I'm not going to say it, but it
seems like he just has that. OK, not going to say it.
Read I'm frustrated with becausehe's kind of supposed to be

(59:58):
Steady Eddie, and he was the first half of the season last
year and then he goes up against.
Houston that Houston his. Brain falls out of his butt and
at this point this, this is whatmade me so mad.
It wasn't just the drops. It was also just like brain dead
stupid decisions, like like stupid mistakes where you're

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watching, you're like, OK, I know you're a good player and I
know you're a smart guy, but like something is going on where
you're just like you're not thinking through the process the
way that I've seen you think it through in the past.
And you're just you're just making like really idiotic
errors. And that's what frustrates me so
much with Reid is like he's supposed to be consistent.

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Wix I think was always that raw guy who needed to keep
developing, and I feel like he'sdeveloped everywhere except for
the except for the drops. Maybe a little bit of maturity.
Some of the adjustments I think from Wix are maybe a little
later than they should be. So balls that are off target are

(01:01:03):
placed there for a reason. I know Coach Lynn is kind of
talking about the same thing of like why doesn't he understand
what was putting the ball away from the defender needs to make
that little bit of adjustment and I do.
I do think there is some of thatto this point.
You saw it a little bit more of like, and your approach is to a
different ball that is being thrown that than what is being

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thrown right now. And so, yeah, I, I see a little
bit of that. I will say Watson's drops are
bad. But like by my count, he had one
last year and everybody else hadat least seven, I think, or six.
No, no, I think it was 7. I think it was 7 for Dobbs.
For the game. Dobbs and Reed each had seven, I

(01:01:45):
think that were that were tracked.
And then I think I think Wix had9, but like again, it's Watson,
I think corrected them really nicely.
I I think I'm trying to go back and look at a couple sites.
OK, so PF. Whoever that says Hardman seems
to have good hands. I I will just say I have kind of

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come full circle. I think maybe Chris talked me
into this. I've kind of come full circle.
I'm like, I'm convinced that Harbin is making the roster OK.
And I, and I think that I think there's two things that have
kind of impacted me there. 1 is it seems like we're only going
to carry like 3 or 4 total cornerbacks on the roster
period. So like, you know, why not keep?

(01:02:33):
An edge. He would be he would be a
quarterback. Yeah.
But but that's the other thing, is that with Beau Melton not in
the mix at all, like I think Beau Melton was one of the big
question marks for me of McCall Hardman making the roster was
like, I think it's going to be one of them.
So who's going to be like the guy who we're paying a lot more

(01:02:54):
to or like kind of basically thesame player for peanuts, but now
they've taken him out of the wider super room entirely.
So that just kind of makes Nicole's path to the roster a
lot, a lot easier. I did want to answer Bruce
Edmonds question. Does any wide receiver on his
current roster have a chance to break Jordy's 14th tutty in a

(01:03:16):
season record? No, because none of them can
catch the frickin ball and they drop it.
If they actually caught their footballs, then sure.
But I'm going to go with the only guy who maybe could do it
be Tucker Kraft. So.
You know, I was going to say it's not a receiver who could do
it. I think it's Kraft 100 percent,
100% Like I think it. Oh oh.
Ayers says. Can't believe I was.

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Yeah. Jake, you're, I, I'm not taking
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in there just to make sure that you actually remember that we're

(01:04:21):
live streaming on that day everyTuesday.
It's for my Peace of Mind. So sorry you can't exempt
yourself. Would never want to either
because I I like I like that andalso seeing the list as well.
Who's on that? Every week, Drew says, put
notifications on. It's all not personalized.
Yeah, the that's the thing. It is.

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It is getting longer. Yeah.
Drew says he loves the tags. All right, good.
I'm I'm I'm glad that people enjoy it.
I have to admit, every time I dothe tags, there's a part of me,
you know, the insecure part of me that goes like, am I annoying
people? But I'm, I, I'm glad to hear
that I'm. Not just once a week, if so.
Maybe I need to start taking Brian Hartline in there to see

(01:05:05):
if he we can get him to come. Gosh, it'd be so good.
You know what makes me sad is that policy is not on Twitter.
Yes, that's the truth. I think of the truth.
I almost went, I went to go makea, an Ed policy burner account
this week. And then I saw the Ed, like Ed

(01:05:29):
policy is already taken. And it's, I think it's like
somebody who wants to talk abouteducation policy and I like
wanted to smack them. That's fair, you know.
So this says tag Matt Ramage next week.
You know what? What about?
What about Ed Policy GB? Is that taken?
Yeah, I thought about that. And then I thought, you know, if

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he ever did want to get on Twitter, I didn't want to take,
you know, that's also taken. Which is unbelievable.
Ayers wants to see Sam Brown junior make it over Heath.
I'm looking forward to seeing Sam Brown Junior in training
camp and seeing him hopefully ina pre season game at Policy

(01:06:10):
Packers at Policy Horse. OK, yes, I like this idea.
I like this idea. Yeah.
Tyler Derschel's tag. One random celebrity every week.
Until they get on. Does Ramage count as a celebrity

(01:06:31):
since he's our friend? Yeah, like if you're if you're
our personal friend. I would still.
Think so as a as a celebrity. Probably.
Like for example. Is that's, that's the self
deprecation policy here of like,hey, like if, if you're a
friend, if you're actually a friend of us, like you can't be

(01:06:54):
that big of a celebrity because why would you, why would you do
that if you were? Is that the, is that the thought
process here? Kind of, yeah.
We're going to test this theory.We're going to we're going to
tag Rebecca Ferguson next week. Do.
You have Twitter I. Can't believe who doesn't have
Twitter besides that policy. There are definitely people who

(01:07:15):
there are definitely celebs who don't have it.
Their publicist runs a a Twitterfor.
Probably might as well. Might as well just tag.
Pharaoh on Twitter. I I don't think I've ever seen
him. Change it.
We should just go one step up Tom Cruise.
We talked about the we talked about the films on here plenty

(01:07:36):
in the last. I I only want him to come on if
he's going to come on in character as Ethan Hunt.
OK, so we're talking, yeah. So Ethan Hunt is from Madison?
I don't think we could pay him his fee.
That's the problem. But Ethan Hunt is from Madison.
Could we get him to come on hereand talk about the Packers, talk
about Northern college football?Maybe.

(01:07:57):
I think Tom Cruise is crazy enough.
He would actually do it. He would.
Come on. What's his fee though?
For his fee? By the way, if you want to help
with that, the Venmo. We just have the.
QR code as a Scientology too. Well, that's true.
And that, that that would be hisfee.
Live from Clearwater. Drew says Matt Ramage is a

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celeb. Doesn't he rate bars?
Pretty sure he gave a perfect rating to the bar.
I go to Charlie Baron. Oh, Charlie Baron.
That's a great. I didn't think about that.
That's really good. All right, I don't like a lot of
celebrities. I like Charlie Barons.

(01:08:40):
That would be so good. Honestly, if we made that
happen, Don Barclay, that'd be kind of sick too.
Too old for this. You know, I was talking to Leroy
Butler one time and told him that he needed to come out of my
pod. And he said basically like,
yeah, let's get this set up and.Then I never did that.
Who said that? It's Leroy Butler.

(01:09:00):
Said that, yeah, that's what we need that.
Mark Murphy agreed. Mark Murphy agreed to come on
the pod and then his like secretary, like made it
impossible to to make that happen.
I'm not like blaming the secretary.
I I realize it sounded like that.

(01:09:20):
I'm just saying like Mark was like, yeah, do it.
Get in touch with my secretary and get on the books and then
the secretary of law. Certainly too busy for somebody
like. Yeah, I was going to say this.
Yeah, the secretary probably doing their job of like, no, no,
you, there's too much going on right now.
You can't. You can't do.
This OK, but listen. But listen, which is totally I

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did not ask Mark to come on, Mark offered.
That's, well, maybe even when hehits retirement.
This, this. That's the.
He's the one to tag. But would Mark be offended at
our Ed policy worship even though like, actually Mark is
the one who we love? I think I think there's a way to

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remedy that is at the end of theintro.
We use the for the first time since 2002 to put that in the
intro. That's pretty good.
By the way. Let's let's segue for a second
here and talk. About as if we haven't already.
Well, this, this is a a serious thing.

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So there's Rob Dymovsky, Bob. Bob Dushmovsky talked to Ed
Policy and he asked if Policy wanted to give out new deals to
Lafleur and Goudicuts, which is a little bit of a weird question

(01:10:50):
since they both have two years remaining and Policy basically
said like no, I'm not going to do it this year, but I'll do it
next year because I don't want them to be lame duck.
However, then much more interestingly, here's a quote
from Ed Policy via Bob Dushmovsky talking about letting

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Goody and Lafleur and presumablyRuss Ball just kind of keep
doing their jobs as they have been.
Here's what he said. Quote, I'd stay out of their
business. I would not meddle in what they
do. I would communicate very
frequently and openly and directly with them on all
things. But certainly no team needs 2
head coaches or two GMs. There'snot a lot of change in the way

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Mark. There would not be a lot of
change from the way that Mark had done that.
So that makes me feel really good.
Yeah, but let's just get Mark Murphy 2 point O, but younger.
Yeah. 1% with maybe a little bitmore media savvy.
I think the one thing I won't miss from the Mark Murphy era is
the like once a year when he walks in front of a camera and

(01:11:59):
you're like, please don't, please, please don't say also
any of the things that you want to say because he's got a little
bit of a Michael Scott in him when he talks to the camera for
sure. Even if somebody who hasn't
watched the office a lot, I knowexactly what that means.
How can you not? How can you not know what that
means? So 100% also, though Ed policy

(01:12:23):
on his way out has to Green Bay.Sorry, sorry folks, I'm just
going to say they can't pick another receiver for 20 for 20
years or so. Sorry, we're not doing we're
saving it for 20, you know, 2047or something.
And Ed policy on his way out. We'll get to announce the next
first round receiver pick because it hasn't happened in a

(01:12:46):
long time. So hope you enjoyed golden
enough because we're not doing that for 20 some years.
OK, That's we've already plannedthat out, just like Jordan was
The Jets in the 30s, right? Let's also stop drafting off
ball linebackers in the first round too.
Nope, can't do that, sorry. And no running backs in the
first round either. Goody's standing up going no,

(01:13:07):
no, I didn't sign up for this part, No, no.
I do feel like it will. Continue to repeat itself.
And and the big question, of course, is where is Jordan Love
going to play after The Jets? The Jets, I mean, it's been so
it's been Minnesota and Pittsburgh.

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Those are historic. Northern teams no.
Matter the way you look. Historic Northern teams.
Cleveland, Cincinnati. Jordan is not like the Bears.
I could see maybe him having a soft spot for the Lions, except
they're like so no, because likeso early on in his career,
they're being a holes. Maybe if they haven't.

(01:13:50):
Won Buffalo Tool for this, says Buffalo.
That makes sense, Buffalo. That's the one.
Is he than Josh though? Well, three, two.
I'm trying to think like Cleveland still won't have a
quarterback by then. Could Burrow be done?
Burrow could be done any minute behind that offensive line.

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So yes. So I would never wish that on
love. No.
OK, Northern. OK, listen.
Seattle. It's still count as a Northern.
Team, I guess. Do you see me trying to get him
back on track? Do you see this?
Love to the Rams. He he does not want to talk

(01:14:30):
about this topic because he knows who's next.
The original topic we're talkingabout the 2023 players who could
have a breakout. Season and impact, yeah, we.
Are crappy. We already did that.
We. No, the, the, the class that we
don't want to talk about is 2024, but we, we still have

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yeah, we have a lot. We still have to talk about Luke
Musgrave and we got to talk about Colby Wooden.
Who? Yep, he's still on the team.
Crazy enough. We've talked to NS Craft was no
notes. Good job buddy.
And then we talked to Reed. So yeah, we got to we got to do
Musgrave. We've been.
Dancing. We have to circle back to
Musgrave. I will.
I will allow you. Oh, fine.

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You got fine. Go ahead for this.
Derail it again, he says love toPhilly makes sense.
The city of brotherly love, of course.
Fine, fine. Give you your freaking Gold
Star. You win.
So hold on, they run it. They run hurts out of town.
By the way, Bruce woke up, he said.

(01:15:34):
Yeah, bro, answer my question. What wide receiver?
Not tight end, I told. You.
They they need to catch the ball.
None of them. None.
None of them. No one has a chance.
Sorry, that's just. Nobody has a chance if they're
not going to catch the ball, right?
Hey, Wicks is still my guy, all right?
But it ain't happening. It ain't happening until he
starts catching the ball. If he catches the ball, listen,

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he's open every single play. If we, if we must.
Only. Pick it's Wicks catching the
football, but. If we and if you won't let me.
Don't have to pick. If you won't let me pick, we're.
Not picking anybody, it's. Christian Watson.
But maybe I'm a different team. I mean, that I'd like to ring

(01:16:18):
back. I just don't think it's going to
happen Yeah, tool for this says no, we don't have to talk about
Musk rib. All right, fine.
Look, Jake doesn't want to anyway, so I guess we'll.
We'll talk about him. Derschel says Colby got caked
up. Does that mean he got fat?
Is that what caked up means? And some, yeah, getting some
bubble butt. Is that what we're talking
about? Some more.
Cake encho chili rub on brisket.Is that advice for Colby or?

(01:16:44):
That's just advice in general. I'm going to start that.
Drew says Ronica Stone is from California and played in Oregon.
Played what? Is Ronica Stone an app?
Volleyball. Yeah.
Like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be offensive.
I genuinely, I know nothing about Ronica's volleyball.
Volleyball. She's a volleyball player.
Yeah. My wife knows a lot more about

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Ronica because she follows her on TikTok or Instagram.
Oh, not the everything app, justOK.
I know nothing about no my wife is not on the everything app
like she has an account I don't know if she.
Has the app installed? But I I don't know a darn thing
about the spouse or significant other of any athlete in any

(01:17:30):
sport, regardless of gender. I don't the only reason.
That I know a few. But there's only one that I've
ever in athletes, so there's only one I've ever known.
And it was because we literally signed Simone Biles husband and
then everybody talked about him for an eternity.
Other than that, I will. Say I know who Travis Kelsey's

(01:17:51):
significant other is. I will put myself on the record
saying I know who that is. I'm drawing a Oh yeah.
After that, it's, yeah, it's Veronica Stone playing
volleyball. JJ Watt's wife, Nalia.
She played soccer. No, I I don't watch soccer.

(01:18:14):
She did play soccer. I know that.
That's, I think that's the extent I have.
That's all I. Got Derschel says.
Real question is who did Rogers marry?
I have. Here's my question.
Who the heck? Cares I I I have a guess.
I have a guess. She's in into some crazy
religion and I don't know. OK, let me let me get super

(01:18:35):
shallow for a second. Hold on, did this girl hold on?
He was linked to Rogers. Ever since, like, Danica Rogers
progressively downgrades and looked apart looks department
every single time he gets a new girlfriend.
So that's that's me being super shallow.

(01:18:56):
Dershow says. I was thinking the chick from
Tiger King. Which chick from Tiger?
There's so many chicks in Tiger King.
Oh, oh. Carol Bear, Carol Baskin.
Carol Baskin over this, says Giselle Bundchen.
That's who the chick from Tiger King is.
All right, Yeah. Wait, what?
No. Yeah, Giselle Bunch.

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No, no, no, no. No, Giselle is Giselle, Tom
Brady's ex. Yes, I I just, I don't give a
crap about. My.
I just don't. My guess would have been the
daughter of the Bucs owner, but I think, yeah, that was the
thing. Probably posted something on

(01:19:37):
that, even if she probably wouldhave said something, so I don't
think so. Drew says Carole Baskin was a
Spice Girl. I believe it.
Oh, you're saying? You're saying?
The daughter of the Bucks owner was a Spice Girl, OK.
No. Bruce, hold on.

(01:19:57):
How can I hide? This no Bruce.
Bruce. Bruce, no, I don't know if you
delete it though it might, I don't that might send them.
It's still on the screen. Seconds.
It's fine. Start typing in chat.
There we go. It's out of there.
Oh yeah, yeah, Paris says any shot Welch makes it over

(01:20:18):
Mcduffie. I don't know why they wouldn't
both make it, to be honest with you.
Potentially. Let me revisit my let's see here
it is 2025 roster projection. Let's see, delete Jair Alexander
and promote nobody because we don't have any corners.
Here we go. So linebackers, we have Quay
Walker, Edrin Cooper, Isaiah Simmons, who I now believe is

(01:20:42):
making the roster, Isaiah Mcduffie, Tyron Hopper for some
reason. OK, so that's 5 right there.
Yeah, I agree that it's, you know, out of Mcduffie, Hopper
and Welch, you're probably only getting two of those guys.
So and maybe only one because Colin Oliver exists.

(01:21:03):
They're not going to cut Hop. They they should, but they're
not going to. That's what I mean.
That's the problem. I think they're not going to.
So what do we do then? Especially, especially if you
think Simmons is going to. Do it.
The Bengals. That's hilarious.
Yeah, Simmons is making the roster at this point.

(01:21:24):
So that makes it really complex then if you're going to even
have this kind of discussion, so.
The problem is, as crazy as it is to suggest this, I think Kwai
Walker, Ezrin Cooper and Isaiah Simmons are all like the same

(01:21:44):
type of linebacker, right? Like the all three of them on
paper should be our will, right?We got three wills.
Huh. Who'd you say?
Quay, Cooper and Simmons. Quay, Cooper and Simmons like
probably. They should all be a will.

(01:22:05):
Probably. But like I get like if you think
Cooper's going to be a will, then I get why you're still
putting Quay Mike. Like I think if if Cooper had
like maybe 10 more pounds on him, I think I would be fine
flipping those. But yeah, no, I, I.
Did you say you say Cooper is too light to be a will?

(01:22:27):
No, Mike. Mike.
Oh, if he had a ten. Well, all three.
Of them are too light to be a Mike.
Well, I I think quay's like 240 which in.
This. I mean, like, there's a reason
they make Quay the Mike, but yeah, because it's it's not a
natural fit for him. No, no, no.
He was much better further away from the ball, but if you had to

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between the two of them at this point.
Ayers says Mcduffie is the most limited linebacker in terms of
ceiling. He's the most athletically
limited for sure. 100% but he sets the floor between the ears
and between the tackles, right? And that is an important floor
to set at the linebacker position.

(01:23:13):
Drew, I agree with this completely.
I just like the Mcduffie does the right thing.
He gets beat sometimes, but at least he knows what to do and
he's a good tackler, which I care about.
Yeah, so. This Hopper hits the gap better
than Quay, and Mcduffie can see it on his film.
I don't know. I don't.

(01:23:33):
I don't. I'm going to get myself in
trouble if I talk about, if I talk about Hopper, I probably
will. Do you want?
Do you want to say anything about Hopper or no?
No, no, I'm fine. For now I'm fine.
Which Len says Simmons has to play will.
I mean, I agree, yes. He can't play anywhere.
Else again, I think all three ofthem need to play Will, but

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Simmons needs to play Will even more than the other two.
Yeah. Simmons can play slime.
We've talked about the I. Think it's going to have them
playing Sam though. I I think they're going to have
Simmons playing Sam. Halfley's going to run out there
on the field to push Simmons just a little bit further away
from the ball when he plays likeit's going to be a walkthrough.
So you're going to see halfway going.

(01:24:16):
No, no, no, no, keep going. Keep going further off, further
from the further from the wall keep.
Yep, Yep, there you go. Like that's what it feels like
with with Simmons. Well, I I would just say.

(01:24:37):
I was kind of ranting about thisearlier in the week on Twitter.
I'm so over the the gadget player.
I don't want to gadget linebacker, safety, just make
Simmons play linebacker. I don't want to gadget
quarterback, Titan, wide receiver, running back.
Just make Savion play freaking wide receiver.

(01:25:01):
Yes. But see, we need, everybody
needs a Taysom Hill, you see. Yeah, and then they get a Josiah
de Guara, right? Or Tyler Irvin.
Or Amari Rogers. Yeah.
Chris, I know you love Hopper and the chat loves Hopper.
Holy cow, Drew says. Evan Williams and Edwin Cooper

(01:25:25):
hit the hole the best on the team, Ayers says.
I think he's still talking aboutMcduffie when he says more
consistent run stopper chat is going nuts.
Yeah, let's turn our attention to torture time.
And no, I'm not talking about Colby Wooden.
I'm talking about 2024. No, no, no, no.

(01:25:48):
Oh, I like this. This is a really oh, put it back
out on the screen. We got to do it.
This this smart young fellow. It's too it's it's too bad he
doesn't have a profile picture in there because I I have a
feeling that he's very handsome.So it's time to get back to
Musgrave. This is Jake NFL draft great
last name. NFL draft is a great last name.

(01:26:09):
All right, we'll talk about Musgrave.
All right, so. So here's your assignment, Jake.
Talk about what the offense looks like if Luke Musgrave
reaches his potential as a breakout year.
We're not talking about, you know, your pessimistic outlook

(01:26:30):
on how limited he is. We're talking about he
overcomes, yeah, limitations that is possible for him to
overcome. All right, sure.
All right, I think what what thethe the best outcome for
Musgrave is to be a featured weapon in the passing game out

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of 12, right where it's he's just not going to be swapping
spots with craft. Like it's going to be very clear
as to what he's doing. He's taking that ancillary
pieces in the run fit and then is faking doing so to get out
into space, to hurry out into space, whether it be running the
short crossers, the deep crossers over the middle of
field, down the seam, all those things.

(01:27:11):
He's attacking, winning in the straight line and, you know,
catching the football. I just don't think Musgrave is
ever going to be able to turn. I think it's easy as a semi
truck trying to make a corner ina street race.
That's just that's what he is. I don't I don't see that
changing. What I hope changes is he keeps

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his balance about him a little bit more.
I think that's something that can change, but it's that that's
where the ceiling is at this point.
It's like a guy who can stretch the seam, right, and almost be
the the Christian Watson of tight ends, right?
Which we've talked about him as being such like that's where we
like, yeah, he could do this. So it's creating big plays in an

(01:27:55):
offense that is designed to create opportunities for big
plays. And he can make them.
It's just he's never going to bethe LaPorte, the the, the
Bowers, the McBride. Obviously he's not going to be
Kittle, right? Kittle's on that next level too.
So yeah, I I still think you're kind of looking at a Gesicki

(01:28:18):
type where maybe a little bit more so, you know, when in more
so of a blocker than than Gesicki, who is basically being
paid like a slot receiver now and, and will be doing so.
But that's that's kind of what you're looking at for the
ceiling at this point there. There's really isn't like a who,
hey, like man, Musgraves on the field, Like watch out.
We're going to punish guys in the run game with they're going

(01:28:39):
to punish guys in the run game with two tight ends.
No, it's just not going. To happen, but but, but he has.
He has to develop as a blocker. He has to do some playing time
out there. Right.
And because otherwise, just put a freaking wide receiver out
there he's never going to be again.
Or it's Ben Sims, right? You just put Ben Sims out there
and maybe we should be talking more about Ben Sims taking the
leap, right? And so that's the thing.

(01:29:02):
And it does limit you. And and so, yeah, it it would be
so nice if we had two guys who could play in line and catch the
football that were that were, you know, flexible enough to
rotate into either the flex spotor the in line spot.
And it's just isn't the case right now unless Ben Sims is a
guy who, you know, jumps out at us, you know, from from way over

(01:29:25):
Yonder. So, yeah, I just don't see how
Musgrave can, you know, become this like people moving player.
And I think in this run game that's shifting more and more.
He just, he has to do so. Otherwise Green Bay's kind of

(01:29:47):
tipping their hand when he's outthere.
So he has to do so. And that's where, again, it
would have been really nice to have Colson Loveland's football
team. So, but you know, that's this is
where. We're at right now.
Does it does it make you feel any better that we did not?

(01:30:12):
No, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, you said.
I just realized I can't I can't bear to look at Sad Jake, so
I'm. I'm no, no, Go ahead.
Come on. Come on.
We did it. Make me sad JJ do it right now.
Not going to do it. Well, are you mad now?
Because Drew did it to me, OK. And you didn't.
And I could take yours, I think.But I.

(01:30:33):
Could never be mad at. Drew.
Drew is my soul all. Right.
Fine. I'll ask you a question.
Does it make you feel any betterthat we did not pass on Colston
Lovell? He was gone long before we were
on the clock. Does that make you?
Does it help you? I think I think so.
If he wasn't a Chicago Bear, I think if he went to any team,

(01:30:54):
other team would be all right. Yeah, We didn't get him.
We didn't get him it. It's it's, it's that.
You had to choose. You had to choose between the
Bears having Ashton Gente or Colson Loveland.
What would you pick if you had to pick one of those two
outcomes? Let's say that we had pick #9
and you could only choose. You could only prevent or

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Colson. Well, I'll pick and yeah, OK,
but but it's not the Packers. You're you're drafting for
random team X. Oh.
At pick #9 and the only thing you can do is just keep Genti or
Loveland away from the Bears. Oh boy, I don't know.

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This is hard. This is making me mad right
here. Listen, too old for this.
Do you not understand how much effort I put into trying to
block out the negative thoughts?That feels, that feels so good.
The painful member, the PTSD, right?
Gosh, I honestly, I'd forgotten about it.

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I, I locked it out. I just, I, I, I don't know,
because I felt Genti was a top three player for me.
Loveland was a top six player for me.
So I mean by that standard it would I would prevent them from
getting gently, I guess. But like if I was thinking for
Green Bay and like what the, youknow, Green Bay could do with.

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Him. Does it move the needle for you
at all that you'd hear announcers saying love to
Loveland? That sounds so good.
Sounds so good. Almost as good as love to Romeo.
Right. That's why I mean, like if you
draft Loveland, you got to keep Romeo.
Like this offense sounds incredible.
We we got a football is a romantic sport.

(01:32:49):
You got to keep it right. So, yeah.
So it's it stinks. It's I wish, I wish the Bears
were just taking Warren. I've been stupid, but they
weren't. Drew says wow JJ that was too
far and I'm going to be honest, I have no idea which of the 8
things I just said that's in reference to I.

(01:33:10):
Don't know we've reached the the90 minute mark is where the
depression set in for for Loveland.
I can we had to go there way more.
This This is why we didn't guys,guys, I'm telling you This is
why we didn't start talking about Musgrave earlier.
This is exactly why, because we knew that the conversation was
going to get to here. Oh, it's it's about to get so

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much worse. Next up on the board, Jordan
Morgan. Jordan Morgan hits his ceiling.
That means that he is playing atwhich offensive line position
for the. Pack, I mean, if it's ceiling,
it's gotta be left tackle. I think that's that's the
ceiling ceiling. I think the settlement is

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playing guard right where Beltonkicks over to tackle in 26,
right. That seems like settling.
There isn't. There is there is something I
mean. Settling is he just continues to
be a backup. Well, no, that's that's the
that's that's that's defcon 1. He said he's a backup and you've
taken him in the 1st again. I, you know, I, I wasn't like,

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you know, banging down the door for like Cooper to Jean
necessarily, but it was very clear that he was a better
player, Alvin Morgan at that selection, as was.
Here's here's here's the big question.
The the big question as it pertains to Morgan is like we've
already established like clear and obvious answer of like who

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impacts the team the most if they are the one who hits their
potential is like it's clearly Lucas Van Ness.
So the question with Jordan Morgan is how much of an upgrade
is Morgan over Rasheed Walker, like peak Jordan Morgan versus
what we've already got from Rasheed Walker?
How much of an upgrade is it? Is it much of an upgrade?

(01:35:06):
Probably not. I think she hadn't.
Really broken out yet by the time we drafted Morgan.
No. And like I think I think like
the, the, the Jordan Morgan thing of like, you know, versus
Rasheed is maybe you're getting a little bit more fluid player,
right? I think that's probably the only

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upgrade I'm giving him at this point over Rasheed where it's
like, Oh yeah, he's maybe just alittle more like coordinated
with the fluidity of like changing direction.
Whereas like Walker's maybe a little more a little clunkier,
but it maybe not as not as aesthetically pleasing to look

(01:35:48):
at perhaps when he's redirectingand and and doing all that stuff
and recovering. But other than that, like I feel
like in the offense they're in, if they're going to, you know,
if they want their tackles as well as like the interior
players to get after some guys in the run game, I feel like
Walker's is better for that. He had he had a rapid college
that I think a lot of people remember that I think would

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would lead everybody to believe that already.
But I do think, again, I know people and be like, well,
Morgan, you know, you know, theydrafted Morgan to play guard and
it's like, well, that's fine. But like if they're going to be
like a predominantly gap team and they're going to start
breaking out like trap plays andthey're going to run some
crunch, but they're also just going to run some, you know,

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they're going to keep doing whatthey're doing with some gap
stuff. It's like, well, then Morgan
needs to play outside because I just don't think like he is the
like mauling people moving, you know, bulldozer out there that
some of these guys are going to be with like banks and and belt
and especially if Belton takes the the right yard spot, like
you're going to see that and yougo, why would we want to

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downgrade from this, you know? And so that's another question
that you have to ask. But like it to this point, like
I think to where she's at now, like I don't Morgan hitting his
ceiling could certainly be better as a like pass protecting
tackle. Is he going to be better than

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sheet in the run game? If he hits a ceiling again, it's
going to be in more plays where he's, you know, got to hook the
five tech on the backside of plays because of the quicks.
Like that's what's going to be where they like, oh, he's better
than sheet in the run game. Like it's not going to be with
this sort of like, you know, push him off his spot set in the

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edge, right? Go bury a guy Like it's not
going to he's not going to be better than she in that regard.
So that's that's what makes I think a little complex in terms
of that battle. But yeah, I mean, the the
athleticism is there. It's just again, with with a lot
of these guys and you know, Tomlin's talked about it before.
It's like, I don't I don't care about the hand placement.

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We can fix that. I'm not worried about that.
Is he good athlete And and Morgan is that and so like I do
think like he can, he could become a good left tackle.
Morgan can, but I don't you know, it's tough that we just
don't have a lot of a lot of looks at them to this point.
So. Bruce Edmonds asks if they took

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Cooper in the 1st instead of Morgan, would you have been good
with the pick? No, I would not.
I don't want to take an off balllinebacker in the first round.
I think that Cooper went right about the right spot.
Now, I do think if Morgan had not been there, I think they
clearly were going to take Cooper at 25.
Instead. I mean Cooper was definitely in

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my top like 32 I'm pretty sure. It was fine with taking Jordan
Morgan in the first round. He just was always a weird fit
for the Packers and he has not seemingly has not developed very
well for us. That's just the whole issue.

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And like frankly, not a lot of our offensive line players have
developed in the last couple years, Rashid and Zach Tom
notwithstanding. Nobody else has.
And it's been a little bit frustrating that, you know, the
guys we've invested significant capital in have not really done

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anything. Meanwhile, our 7th rounder and
our fifth rounder are kicking butt at tackles.
So. So I had Cooper 26th overall.
Heck, does this have? To.
Improve. Though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh man.

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My daughter and her older sister, I only have one
daughter. So sorry about that.
I got this. I got a son.
Yeah. Ackney.
Every podcast wants to know whatWalker commands on the open
market. So we've talked about this and
we feel that he is Gringe. Top ten money somewhere between

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10 and 15. Like, yeah, the maybe the 12 ish
12:00-ish highest paid tackle inthe league kind of makes sense
for him, you know, but also like, OK, if you're the most
recent guy getting the contract,then you get a little bit more,
you know, kind of reset of the market type of thing.
So he might get a little more than that.
But we've also talked about the fact that the Packers all.

(01:40:39):
Right, go ahead. Did you want to say?
Something just just on this for money really fast, just on
average per year at the moment, if you're looking like, oh, they
don't, it's a left tackle. So they don't have freaking
wharfs on here, which is so stupid.
Can I just have all the tackles?Nope, not going to let me have

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all of them. OK, cool.
So yeah, look, I'm just going for like guys who are 25 mil and
over at both of the tackle spots.
That's wharfs, Sewell, Lane, Johnson.
Then you have Williams, Darasan,Tunsil.
Now Andrew Thomas is at 23 1/2 Jake Matthews, 22 1/2 Jordan

(01:41:20):
Malata. And here we're getting right.
So now Jordan Malata done. Here we go.
OK, at 20 and a half million, Dan Moore from the Titans,
Garrett Bowles solidly Rashid Walker, Denver, Dion Dawkins,
who looks like a steal at the moment at 20.02 million per,

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he's probably going to want somemore money.
Decker's at 20 and then Ronnie Stanley's at 20, who's but I'll
be of an inconsistent, bounced back last year after those
inconsistencies a little bit with Baltimore and got 20
million a year for over 3, right?
He's not going to see all that. But that's the AV we're looking
at. And you mentioned JD, that she's
probably going to get a bump. Why?
Because if you don't have the left tackle, you are desperate

(01:42:05):
enough to overpay for that tackle.
I do not see how he doesn't get 22 at this point just based on
what we're what we're seeing at the position right now.
Like I don't know who's up next for the deal, but you know, like

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I think a Quano and Cross are getting there, right.
Like I think that can be done after.
No, that can be done now. I think if they wanted to.
One thing we've talked about with Rasheed is that you know
the the the Packers are in a situation where they have to
consider trading Rashid because we don't think they have any

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intention of paying Rashid what he's going to command on the
open market. I don't.
So do you let him walk for a compensatory pick?
If you're if you have other options that you feel can play
tackle Now the the catch 22 hereis what if you end up needing

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those bodies late in the year? If you're actually making any
kind of a, you know, playoff run, right?
Yes, yeah. And that's the tough thing,
right And you have a lot and that's the other thing to over
this bring up like they've they've put a lot of money in
Jenkins already. Banks just got a massive deal.

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We know Zach, Tom, it's only a matter.
Of some reason. So it's only a matter of.
Time a little easier if you don't have banks soaking up all
that dough. Yeah, it, it certainly is.
But with all that money going there, who's not going to get
the, I mean at this point it's straight up who's not getting
it, TomTom or Walker. And if you're making that call

(01:43:54):
like that's, it's no question, no disrespect to Sheet.
I think she is a tremendous job,especially being a seventh round
pick so. Bruce asks.
That's a lot of money. Going to fit the bill, he says.
I don't think so. It's irrelevant because we
already paid him like. Yeah, now it's like.
All we can do is I. Hope so works.

(01:44:16):
I hope so. Little too late to be asking
that question. But like, what can we get for
Walker in a trace? I think we could.
I would say 1/3. I'd say 1/3.
So like I'm trying to, I'm goingdown the list of like teams who
could like, yo, we're desperate to make this run.

(01:44:36):
We need this, right? Like who is that?
Kansas City? Perhaps I could use some
stability over there. They're paying.
They got Josh Simmons. If he's healthy somehow off the
patellar attempted injury, then they're set.
If he's not, they paid Jalen Moore 15,000,000 a year.
Just another, another great indication of what Rashid's
going to get out there. They can be desperate.

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Cincinnati could be desperate. Denver Denver they start feeling
themselves a little bit. Houston start feeling themselves
a little bit right, like you have not you've you've gone, you
know the route of like, hey, tonsils out of here.

(01:45:21):
We're going to try to refill this cover with pics.
They got ursery. They've Cam Robinson, like, is
that needle moving enough? Does Rasheed Walker set you over
the top and you can just extend him?
I mean, that's it's a lot of teams that could probably be
lining up so. I asked.

(01:45:42):
I asked the robot what it thinks.
Yeah. And it acknowledges that there
is a a tear curve for two reasons.
One, if you are a serious playoff contender, your picks

(01:46:04):
are devalued because they're later in the draft and you're
more desperate for him. So I described him as the 11th
best left tackle in the league on an expiring rookie deal.
Cost you pennies this season, and he'll need a new contract in
the offseason. Yeah, for a playoff contender

(01:46:25):
who's likely to be picking somewhere between 25 and 32, the
expected compensation is a late 2nd and a conditional 4th or
just a late 1st if they are desperate or in any kind of a
bidding war. So that's shocking to me.
Yeah, for mid tier team picking from 15 to 24, they're saying an

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early 2nd and a third. Whoa.
And then if you are picking early, somewhere between 1 and
14, in other words, you are a rebuilding team and he is.
You're viewing him as a, you know, building block in your
team. They're saying that it's hard to
make the case for trading picks for him because he'd be

(01:47:12):
expensive. So.
Yeah, tool for this, talking about Walker and 1/3 for
Hendrickson. Interesting.
I don't want to pay him. That's the that's the problem,
right? And so, yeah, so.
I I don't want to, I don't want to give up capital for the honor

(01:47:32):
of getting to pay a guy a brand new deal.
Screw that. Yeah, especially one that's
going to be. Like even if it's Henderson and
he's, he's getting so old too. Like he's about to hit his wall.
Yeah. Would you rather would you
rather get Watt or Henderson forfor Sheed?
The robot makes the comparison to Orlando Brown Junior.

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Yeah, he commanded the 31st pickoverall and then.
Later, somebody gets desperate, somebody gets desperate.
You feel good about Belton taking over at left tackle and
Morgan or is Ryan playing guard this year?
Sure. Now, again, the the he would

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trade Walker under a a big condition.
That condition being that the guy who's going to play the
position once you trade him isn't going to be a liability
protecting love on that side. Now Zach Tom could easily kick

(01:48:41):
over there. I've been advocating for it.
And it would not be a problem now, right?
Taco there. Comes one.
Right Taco becomes one, but. I mean.
We haven't had Belton, we haven't had to be.
Over there right tackle play formost of the you know, most of
the met will sell era prior to having Zach Tom so so.

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But that's what I'm, that's whatI mean, like.
Yeah, Belton, it right tackle. I, I I can.
Yeah, and and then again, I I think option, there's a couple
options. You go into next year's draft,
you feel like you need offensivetackle.
I still think Caleb Tiernan fromNorthwestern is going to end up
being an option for them. I love, by the way, how this was
supposed to be a Jordan Morgan conversation and we spent the

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entire time talking about RashidWalker.
That's that's where that's wherewe go.
It's tough. Jordan Morgan, really excited to
see if he could do it. You know, he he is very solid
right this he's very, very good at right tackle.
Tom is the Unicorn. He's good at everything right
now. And so I would rather have Tom

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at centre or left tackle versus right tackle.
I mean, frankly, like right tackle is one of the is right
tackled the least today, right where we sit today in the NFL is
right tackled the the second least valuable offensive line

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spot behind centre. No, like because the I think
it's the starting position skyrocketed.
To me, you have to have two you.You start out with two elite
tackles. To me, you have to center's next
and then the guards are the lasttwo SIS.
Says that the guards right now are providing more valuable,

(01:50:28):
more value than tackles, which totally flies in the face of
everything that, you know, conventional wisdom has taught
us about football. Yeah.
I think we're getting out of. I think we're, I think Sis might
be losing the plot a little bit with that personally.

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I mean, I don't know. I just name a name, a great team
that that has just turnstiles that tackle and being super,
super great within the interior.Never have good.
Doesn't have homers playing quarterback that doesn't have
Holmes playing QB. The Bengals can't find.

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I don't think they're a very good team.
They were. I think that's why they had
crappy tackles that year. Yeah, that year.
I mean, were they ever good on offense that year, the playoff
stretch? The I mean, the overwhelming
answer is no. Like, I don't think they were a

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great team. I don't think they've ever been
a great team. And there's, there's A and, and
they, they almost won the Super Bowl.
Why didn't they? Well, Aaron Donald going up
against their interior. Well sure, Aaron Donald could go
up against any interior and win.So I mean they gave up like 9

(01:51:57):
sacks to the Titans again, fantastic interior Titans.
They have one player, yeah, I guess.
Sure. I think they gave up five to the
Raiders. I'm sorry that is, I'm sorry the
the guards being more valuable in tackles is potentially the
most asinine thing I've heard all year.

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And it's been quite a year for asinine stuff.
I gotta say, 2025 has certainly been that.
We're not quite half over. But guards, guards being more
valuable in tackles is just super asinine to me.
Personally, we need to get a epic rap battle between Jake
Chavink and SIS. You don't even need me to do it,

(01:52:38):
just have any dude who's who has, you know AI don't have a
brain cell for this game. Ask anybody who does.
They will destroy those fools onthe computer in moments for
that. For stuff like that.
Just being honest. If Javon Bullard hits his

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ceiling, has he already hit his ceiling?
I mean, it is. Boy, I sure hope not.
If Javon Bullard hits his ceiling, does that move the
needle for this team at all? It might.
Yeah, it might. Because if his.
Ceiling. You think he's going to move to

(01:53:22):
corner? Well, that's that was yeah.
I think if he finds a ceiling there, like it eases that
concern. Like if he finds that it's slot
and then that's where the ceiling is and he and he and he
hits it, boy, then you just got to you know, I know Hobbs hasn't
played as much on the boundary as he has in the slot in the
league, but I think it eases a lot of of the pressure on all

(01:53:43):
these guys now playing corner because of jaw exiting, right.
So like that's yeah, I I think it does.
If he can find it at, as you said, at corner, whether it be
outside. I don't that'd be wild if that
happened, but even at the slot, like it feels like that pressure
comes off a little bit and you just have OK guys in the corner

(01:54:07):
room. We just we got to worry about
the the perimeter, right? It it's it's Hobbs, it's maybe a
little bit of Nixon Valentine out there like they they can
they might be able to hold it down while not having to rotate
more on the defensive. Bullard just finds, you know,

(01:54:29):
that ceiling. So that's what made that
conversation about Starks super interesting, right, JJ?
When we were back doing that in March and early April of like,
hey, you know, blame at boundarycorner question mark like.
And so that's, yeah. I mean, I find it fascinating.
He's probably the most fascinating, fascinating player

(01:54:51):
going into 2025 on this team of like, because of all the, like,
art. Where is he playing, right?
Is he going to find? So where's he going to find the
home? Can he hit the ceiling on that
home? Can we see much better play than
we saw last year? I do find it very interesting.
You know, Pro Football Reference, does that weighted
career approximate value, right?And they have that set up.

(01:55:14):
I don't know how he has the sameweighted career approximate
value as Edrin Cooper through one season after watching both
of them play and a higher one than Evan Williams after
watching both of. Them play.
He did play more games than Cooper.
Yeah, if, if. Game Williams play two more
games than. Yeah, if games is what's

(01:55:38):
weighting that. I mean, OK, in fairness, we're
we're talking about a really tiny numbers like the weighted
average value that we're talkingabout here is 4 sure.
So it it ain't much. Do we think like Van Ness and
Musgrave should have the same through two through two seasons?

(01:56:05):
Because they do. They must really be waiting.
Musgraves 1 touchdown. I I would think yeah, has to be,
which I don't. Bruce's rap battle between JJ
and Jake. Here's the problem.
I don't know if you guys noticedthis when I'm talking on here.

(01:56:26):
I have AI, have a stammer, and Ican usually disguise it well
enough. On a podcast.
That's not a problem. But you asked me to rap like my
my words are going to lock up and I'm not going to be able to
say anything. Can't do it.
I can't talk quickly. I can talk loud, but not
quickly. Be the slowest rap you ever

(01:56:49):
heard. Yeah, the the the we did have
average value on PFR is interesting, but I have always
struggled to understand how theycalculate it.
I mean, Devante Wyatt is a six and Kwai Walker is an 18 and

(01:57:11):
Devante Wyatt has played three more games than Kwai Walker.
So I I don't, I just. Don't have to pin you away from
Tom. How is Tom 20 and Walker's 18?
So I I I just don't know. But I just don't even know how.
It's getting weird. I don't me either.
I don't have a strong opinion onit, I just I don't know how.

(01:57:34):
Useful it is, yeah. But just thought that was
interesting. A little nugget there, but you
know, yeah, Bullard, Bullard finding a home would be crucial
because again, if he can find itat slot, I still think it's the
safety room still deep enough toease that loss.

(01:57:58):
I think everybody's very excitedabout Oladapo after kind of what
we got to see from him late in the season.
So yeah, I, I think. It'll be a massive Beaver.
Secondary SO. Let's talk about Marshawn.

(01:58:21):
Lloyd because this is like the hidden grave is what do you.
I think he was trying to, he's trying to, to, to go for there,
but yeah. Marshawn Lloyd is like the
hidden 2025 draft pick, all right?
Like he didn't play Bricken at all last year, so we're adding
him to this team. It's kind of like getting a
bonus draft pick. Yeah, this year.

(01:58:42):
Yeah. Do you have any expectations for
Marshall and Lloyd? I heard, can't remember.
I think he's hurt again already.Doesn't he have a new injury?
I think he does. That's just that's how the third
round pick goes, man. That's how that's how it feels
like we are, we are as they say.So back in terms of the.

(01:59:08):
Here, Sports Illustrated says, quote, finally healthy Marshawn
Lloyd's what's next mentality shifts.
So this is written one day ago. So I think it was somebody else
who's hurt that I was thinking of.
So no, Yeah, according to Bill Huber, there's no reason for us
to. Yeah, it's.

(01:59:28):
Still hurt? Looks like Paul Brett wrote
something today. Says from Monday or from
yesterday, I guess. After navigating injuries,
Packers running back Marshall and Lloyd is healthy and ready
for what's next. So that's good.
Yeah. I I think, yeah, yeah.
It must have been something a little earlier back in May.

(01:59:50):
Perhaps he had he had appendicitis last year.
Yes, he did. Like after his two or three
injuries, then he had appendicitis.
Like bad appendicitis. Right.
And so again, I think the doors open for him to take that RV 2
role if he if he if he proves it.
Again, the fumbles were really the question.

(02:00:11):
I think we had the most of whichwe had the most coming in when
he was drafted, right? And I think, you know, that's a
dangerous thing if you can't hang on to the football.
But like the explosiveness is real no matter what.
And again, in a gap scheme, it looked like where when USC had

(02:00:33):
to find gaps room to run through, he stayed patient and
and was able to transition quickly from from, you know,
horizontal movement to to vertical movement and, you know,
create big plays wherever he wherever he was out on the
field. And like, you know, Caleb found
him a couple times on scrambled drills catching the football.
So, yeah, I, you know, I think he could, he could definitely

(02:00:57):
take that role and run with it literally.
So, yeah, that's that's what's exciting is, is you're kind of
adding an explosive element to the running game, which again,
Jay Ji thought we, you know, we were beating the drum for for
Trayvon. If that if that, you know,
possibility were to, you know, were to to happen.

(02:01:18):
But like he can beat it if if given the opportunity of staying
healthy and just hanging out of the football like he can do it.
So that's. You and I had really settled on
like Marshawn Lloyd Kennedy and our top option for running back
for the Packers in that 2024 class, I forget who went really
early. There was a running back who

(02:01:39):
went really early. Yeah, Brooks.
But like after that, you know, we had kind of stuck on like,
sure, why not take Marshawn Lloyd in like roughly the third
round? That's that's kind of exactly
where we landed on. Yeah, and it was, you know,
makes sense. You know, he got a lot of looks

(02:02:00):
in the game. He did play Sasha ball 7 times.
The big concern with him was like tread on his tires in
college, and so the fact that hewas hurt so many times his
rookie season in the NFL, that was terrifying.
If he can make a full recovery this it could be really nice to

(02:02:21):
be able to rotate him and Jacobsout with each other.
Yeah. Especially, you know, Jacobs is
built to be a bell cow, but he'salso no spring chicken.
He's got plenty of tread on his tires for sure.
So if you can, if you have a, a guy in Lloyd who you can go to

(02:02:44):
if Jacobs is going to miss some time, which and at his age just
is something you have to be prepared to live through.
I think that can be a huge boon to this offense that wants to
run the ball so much. And you know, if they can, if
they can not miss a beat, that could be huge for the offense

(02:03:09):
overall. Bruce Edmonds with a super
relevant question. Should my kiddo spend $5 on a
dead by daylight Five Nights at Freddy's expansion pack or $25
on an invisible Fortnite bundle?I mean, I'm a miser.
I'm as miserly as they come. So I'm rabbits, you could spend

(02:03:31):
$0.00 and go throw rocks at trees or something.
But I'll I'll, I'll vote $5. Jake, what say you?
Even as somebody who plays Fortnite, I would probably say
do the fight, just spend less money.
Probably. Fortnite's got enough money,

(02:03:55):
might as well might as well helpthe help the others.
The expansion packs for Five Nights at Freddy's at Dead by
Daylight, I think. So Chris says spot track is way
more accurate on contract projections.
I don't know about that. I, I never use spot track.
I I find a lot of problems with their numbers about like already
done contracts. So I don't really tend to look

(02:04:18):
at them for like projected contracts.
I like over the cap when you're looking at details about
existing contracts. But it's good good to know that
Sputtrek may be more valuable for projections.
So I'll have to check that out. OK.
As we're wrapping up here, all right, as we've crossed the two
hour mark, I've got two. I've got a couple more

(02:04:40):
questions, JJ, that we're going to kind of rapid fire Coach Lim
put this in a little while ago, yeah, Says would Graham Barton
have been a better fit than Morgan looking back on last
year's drafts, or even Tyler Guyton?
Any thoughts? So Tyler Guyton, that's that's

(02:05:02):
a, there was a bit of a monkey wrench in the question.
The problem with Spartan is thatwe would have to trade up for
him. And, I don't know, didn't Barton
go? That's brutal.
Pretty sure. Hold on double checking.
Give me a second. I mean, I loved.

(02:05:23):
Barton. Everybody loved Barton.
Yep, went to pick after Tampa. He was.
He was available. I thought he was.
Picked before. Yeah, so, so Barton, I mean,
probably takes the center spot, right.
And then you don't have to worryabout moving Jenkins.

(02:05:44):
And so you'll feel comfortable Myers walking.
I mean, frankly, I already feel comfortable with my eyes
walking. Right, right.
Exactly. You might not have even played
by the end of season, right. Probably, yeah.
So I think it's a centre. He could still do some damage in

(02:06:05):
the power game and that kind of eases that.
And you're not you're not getting into the like the
contract dispute trouble with Jenkins, right.
Moving over, even though he can do it, it does certainly make
things feel a little better. But I do think Barton is
confined to the center spot, probably.

(02:06:28):
As far as Guyton goes, I would say he was a little more raw,
very much a red shirt candidate,which Morgan kind of ended up
being that anyway. So it's kind of no big, no
biggie. I don't know if Guyton can play
guard is the real thing. Like I think he's kind of built

(02:06:50):
to play tackle. But I was kind of glad that they
didn't do that. So I don't know about you, JJ on
that one. Yeah, I I probably would take
both of them over Morguing knowing what we know now, but.

(02:07:13):
It's, it's tough. I mean in the, in the moment,
like I was not excited about theMorgan pick.
I didn't think it was a great pick, but I certainly understood
the logic. It's just that we changed our
offensive line so much immediately after that.

(02:07:34):
It just like the the, the fact that they would spend a first
round pick on him and then so quickly give up the the strategy
altogether. It's just, I don't know, a great
sign, you know, you don't want to be held to some cost.
Fallacy, right. So that's at least still they're
at least kind of like, OK, well,we need to force the issue, but.

(02:08:01):
Right. What?
What was your second question you wanted to hit?
Bruce saying she's excited, That's awesome.
Yes or no answer? Do we have something in Monk?
Says Coach Lynn. Well, he's been getting starting
center snaps in the mini camp inlieu of Elton Jenkins, who was

(02:08:24):
not practicing. Yeah, I don't know, maybe he's
Lucas Patrick, I guess, which would be something.
That's something, yeah. Out of out of any of the late
round offensive lineman we've taken the last couple years,
he's clearly the only guy. He was.

(02:08:46):
He's way ahead of Glover, which that's not saying anything, but.
He is. No, I'm.
I'm ahead of Glover. You're ahead of Glover.
Freaking Bruce Edmonds is ahead of.
Glover friends we made along theway.
All right, Yeah. As well.
So he's yeah, no, I actually, I I'm checking late round

(02:09:07):
offensive lineman we've taken lately.
There's just not a lot of them. So we took in 2022, we had
Rasheed Walker, Zach, Tom, thoseover 2 day three guys.
Obviously Monk doesn't clear those at all. 23, we took zero
offensive lineman. 22 we took, you know, Monk and Glover.

(02:09:34):
Glover was pointless. And then we took John Williams
in 25. So that's right.
Yeah. I mean, I think I'm going to go
like, no, right now. Like, I still don't see anything
with Monk, but it's encouraging that they are giving him this,
you know, basically hinting thathe's the backup center at the

(02:09:56):
moment. Yeah.
So it's encouraging, but I I need to see something from him
first. Like, ask me again after we have
seen a preseason game. For sure.
Which is obviously not the be all end all like Sean Ryan
killed it in his first pre season game.
He was like the the next coming of Brian Balaga.

(02:10:17):
But you know, I just, I haven't,I've never seen anything from
Monkey yet to make me excited. No, yeah, that's that's fair.
I I could certainly give you an updated answer before the season
begins this year. Yeah, Eris Joyce saying or any
of the players on the online Royce Newman caliber.
Yeah, Glover. He says.

(02:10:38):
I hope not. No, it's it's Glover.
Royce no Travis Glover if he maxes out.
His. Maybe his?
Ultimate potential. He is Royce Newman on a bad day.
Yeah, there you go. All right.
Well, since we've kind of covered all these guys, Jji,
wanna I wanna present the final question that we kind of opened

(02:11:00):
with put in the title, right. Like of all of these guys we've
gone through 2223. You know, we, we, we touched on
24 as well. Which young player, if they Max
out this year, if they start hitting their ceiling this year,
elevates Green Bay the most intocontender status?

(02:11:22):
By the way, hold on. Drew says we need to keep Glover
so nobody else becomes the punching bag.
What do you mean Long Snap or Zeck exists?
There it is. There it is, folks.
There it is. All right, so, yeah, so we're
bringing it full circle, I think.
Who's The Who elevates the Packers the most?
If they need their ceiling, yeah, this year.

(02:11:44):
We're skipping Van Ness because he's clear.
And obvious. OK, yeah.
And it's not even OK that's. After Van Ness.
OK, so now I have to think aboutthat.
I say we, I say we countdown 321and then we say a name at the
same time. Oh boy.
You're not allowed to pick a true rookie, all right?
It's got to be at least 2024 or previous.

(02:12:07):
Dang it. I got my answer.
I got my answer. I had to think about it a little
bit because there's two guys. Oh, we didn't even talk, but I
this guy, but oh. Man, So what we didn't talk
about? Yes, so I mean had to be a.
Day three, guy, we didn't. There's no.
Correct. Well, or Tyron Hopper, but we.

(02:12:29):
Nope, It's not him. No, no.
All right, All right, Dave, at the same time, because I I yeah,
I mean, Van Ness. Van Ness is the obvious one.
Because the pass rush, right? The pass rush gets way better.
You're affecting the QB on on several more occasions, right?
It makes the most sense. You're right, Drew.
That's what he's not saying. I haven't said it yet.

(02:12:53):
What are we doing? We all know.
It's actually not Valentine. It's actually not Valentine.
It's Kayla King. It's not Kayla.
It's not. King Sean Clifford No.
No, no, no. All right, I'm gonna.
Say the first. One, this is not a, this is not
a day three guy that I'm going to say, but I want to bring up
that guy on day three as well. OK, all right.
Ready 321 Javon Bullard, Tay Wicks.

(02:13:18):
Is a good one, yes. If 'cause if Taywix hits his
ceiling, he's our wide receiver one and the offense is solved.
Yes, yeah, that's if Bullard, ifBullard hits his ceiling as a
slot corner, the pressure eases.The secondary, I think can not
not going to rest in the laurels, but they're going to

(02:13:39):
feel more comfortable with what they're doing without JA in the
room right now. I have a hard, I have a hard
time going Bullard because we have safeties, we have slots, we
have nickels. What we don't have is boundary
corners. We kind of have slot players, I
don't know. We Nixon is a Nixon is is

(02:14:02):
perfectly sufficient starting. Slot for some things we have.
A hassle of guys who can play from the slot, Hobbs can play
from the We got we got a passle of guys who can play from the
slot, but can any of those guys who are?
Those guys who are playing in the slot, they're moving there
and then they're taking away bodies from the boundary.
And so if a guy can lock it down, that we probably think

(02:14:28):
cannot play in the boundary at all.
Yeah. Then those guys, then Sean
Nixon, VR starting boundary corner.
Whoop Dee Doo. We're not winning a super.
Bowl me. No, no.
He'll be on the bench. Be on that bench.
Well then we only have. Other name, which is the other
name I was going to say real quick was Carl Brooks, because

(02:14:49):
if he hits the ceiling, JJ all three phases, right, both phases
run, run D pass rush is getting a massive boost.
If he finds a way to, I think, hit the ceiling that we all
think he could potentially hit, right?
Yeah. I mean, if we could have, that's
the now when you're saying ceiling for Carl Brooks, are you

(02:15:09):
saying sealing on the inside or on the edge?
Inside for me. So if if he's on the inside,
then we got him and Devante in the middle and Rashan and like
also Lucas Van Ness right outside.
Like, yeah, sign me up for that.We we got we got a lockdown
front 4 at that point if you're if you if you're saying Van Ness

(02:15:33):
and giving. Him the automatic Yeah, if we're
giving the. Automatic that solves that
solves the defensive line. And then I stop worrying about
the cornerbacks so much too, because if we have a defensive
line, I'm not so scared about the cornerbacks.
I'm mostly scared with the cornerbacks because our D line,
yeah. Is so thin.
It's Devante Wyatt Van Ness is first on our list.
Sean Geary and nobody else. Yeah.

(02:15:55):
So yeah, that's a good answer. It's a good answer.
Feel like Brooks is, yeah, the potential.
But yeah, Wicks is always you will never hear me complaining
about anybody answering anythingpositive with Tay Wicks, no
question. So.
Eris says he's surprised they'replaying wooden at one tech.
I mean, frankly, they're not playing him at all.

(02:16:16):
So like, they're putting him trying something.
Don't have any players, Yeah. They're trying something out.
There he's he's when they when they move you around as much as
they have been. It's it's a bad sign, Green Bay.
It means they are probably aboutto cut your butt.
So they're like, hey, this is last effort right here.
You you got anything here? No.
All right, well. I got.

(02:16:37):
I got something. Will be seated.
Yeah. You got something?
I got something OK. What do you have?
Surprise that policy. What will you have?
Because it's happened again. You've squandered a perfectly
good two hours and a quarter listening to us here on
Derailed. God bless you.

(02:16:57):
Thank you for tuning in. Don't know why you spend your
Tuesdays with us, but we appreciate you.
We love you. In the words of the late, great
Honorable Mr. Ed Policy Jake, any final thoughts from you?
Go, pack. Go.

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