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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. Spirit ran low and then it hit
me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. When the fan started roaring,

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took down the line.
If I told you I could bare the thought, stealing a chance some
soccer team God. No need for a Viking to borrow a
chin. I choose out the power, the

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frozen monsoon. They ask that you crib it.
Did you viral mine? But that's not my policy.
These words are mine here. Go back gold.
Go back gold. Go back gold.

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Go back gold hear that cheese head spit go back go.
He was hot up and loud screaminggo back go.
Said no, we ain't no choir, go back, go.
So we shouted so loud, go, back,go.

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Welcome back to Derailed. Whoa, What?
What, Jake? What?
What I. Mean, I mean, we got to get into
it immediately. There's no, there's no time.
There's no time. We have an extension
announcement. We do.
We do. Breaking news hot off the press
The EFPNS Adam Schefter Whereverhe is, The Green Bay Packers are

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signing wide receiver Christian Watson to a one year, $13.25
million contract extension on Tuesday.
Watson had his 2024 season cut short after undergoing ACL
surgery in January and is still recovering from his injury.
Matt Lafleur via Zach Cruz of Packers Wire.

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Christian is doing outstanding. I would say he's ahead of
schedule. Stop me if you've heard that one
before from the Green Bay Packers in recent years about an
ACL victim. Here's what I want to say.
This is freaking fantastic. Because we like that.
Said it 1000 times. Do not have high expectations.

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Is my camera stupid again? Seriously, the tool for that
says Jake is in 8K and J JS in 27 or 270P.
It's not, it's not, it's not doing the thing where it's like
you're, you're kind of like sputtering.
The movement it's. Just more blurry, that's all.
OK, Oh wait a minute. What about this?
Is this any better? Is this better at all?

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Is it the same? To me it's the same.
I don't know about the audience,what they're experiencing well.
We'll get this figured out though.
But we, we, we, we got it. Today I was I was on the phone
with my Internet provider for anhour earlier today and I have my
computer hardwired, Ethernet into my into my router.

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So anyways, as I have said 1000 times about Christian Watson's
injury, is he going to play at some point in 2025?
Yes. Should you have high
expectations for how he's going to play?
No, you should not. Did you expect him to come back
and look like himself at any point in 2025?
No. When he's out there on the

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field, you should say to yourself, oh good, another body
on the field. We have another guy who has a, a
a knowledge of our offense. Yippee.
I'm glad there's a guy who knowswhat our plays are and, and what
his reads are supposed to be, blah, blah, blah.
Do not go into it thinking Christian Watson's back.

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You know, we'll give him the first drive or two to kind of
get settled in. But then he's got to start
performing. And like, when I say something
like this on social media, people come into the comments
and start agreeing and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get it. He's not going to be ready Week
1 by like mid-october. Then he'll be cooking.
No, no, not until 2026, maybe even 2027.

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OK, I get that he's an alien andthat he looks fantastic right
now in in practices and stuff. So maybe 2026 because of that.
You should 2026. You have to I, I think he'll be
playing that game. I think so.
I think he will. Adam Huddle says just need

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Watson ready for January. Yeah, you're off by a month.
Bud February so. Mike Kawano says good extension
takes you through the all important 18 month timeline post
op that every non Adrian Peterson athlete has needed to
hit. Yeah, OK.
I think there was one other guy OO Odell Beckham, Junior OBJ and

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Adrian Peterson are like the only guys who come back from an
ACL in like 3 to 6 months or whatever and looked fine.
And somehow those two guys have ruined everyone's expectation
for this injury despite the factthat we get what, like 30 ACL
tears a year across the league probably.
So anyways, it's true. Let's see.

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So yeah, Burden or Christian Watson getting an extension, A1
year extension is fantastic because he's not going to look
like himself this year. And you know, what would really
stink is if we moved on from himand then some other team got
themselves a stud who just need a little bit more time to heal.

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Or alternatively, you could say,hey, listen, maybe I'm a
cautionary person and I want to see that he makes his full
comeback before we give him the big long term money.
This works for you too. So this is good for everybody.
Okie Doke. So we are going to Jake, do you

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want to give a thumbs up, thumbsdown on the Christian Watson
extension? Yeah, again, I think it just,
you know, he gets to be around for back-to-back Super Bowl
championships, you know, that's all.
That's all it really is, you know, But I do think it get, I
do think we get to potentially see Golden and Watson together
playing at 100% in 2026, right? Whether that be February or

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September, either way, I think that's really nice.
He gives you something that the rest of the room does not have,
right? It's the size and the speed,
right? Maybe you think, OK, Golden's
got, you know, some of that speed or, you know, you feel
like Savion's maybe got some of that speed.
But at this point in time, nobody really provides what

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Watson does. So I think it's smart.
I think, you know, the fact thathe is accepting that 13 per is,
you know, nice. I think Dobbs is probably going
to ask for more than that at theend of the season.
I saw somebody saying we will got to send.
It might have been Kiwano. Yeah, he said we got to send him

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out a champ this year. For Dobbs.
That's possible. I think there's a lot of guys in
the room who can replicate what he does now.
He had a really, really good game, you know?
This past week. Especially in terms of
separation, especially in terms of earned separation.
But I do think you have other guys and I, I think that's the
expectation for Golden, right asa first round pick to at some

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point replicate what Dobbs does and do even more.
So I, I don't know if, I don't think we're going to be keeping
everybody here. I, I just, I can't imagine that
we're going to, I mean, that's alot of money to tie up, right?
Yeah. At receiver, where it seems like
Green Bay ideally would like to do this sort of thing every once

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in a while of like, hey, back-to-back seasons, let's grab
a few receivers here and then. Just.
Will keep doing that replenishing the room and if we
hit on a superstar, maybe we'll pay him right.
Like that's I think probably thethe direction they're going to
take. Maybe they do pay Dobbs though.
I think if I think there's only one way that happens, I think
Wixon Reed seriously don't show it throughout 2025.

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That's like the only only possibility that I would even
say. But again, I, I, what's Dobbs
going to be asking for, right? Like think about like Dobbs
agent from from the rumors that the reporting that we saw Dobbs
agent approached Goody at the draft and was trying to get the

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ball rolling on a three-year $39million extension.
So 13 per what Watson here has signed for and from from the
agent's camp. Sounds like Goody basically
laughed in his face and I was like, we're we're not I'm not.
This is a non inserted for me. At that price, Heck no.

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So yeah, I think it comes down to what goody thinking, not 13.
That's interesting considering who's at that number right now.
Darnell Mooney's at 13 million per right now.
Where do we lean? Wait, to your point from a
minute ago? To your point from a minute ago?

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I don't I don't know that it's so much like, hey, here, here's
what we would value Dobbs at as it is like here's is Dobbs
enough for us to want him back? You know, that that that hey,
we're only going to pay a coupleof guys who can kind of do the

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special things that nobody can do.
And like Matthew Golden is that type of player.
Christian Watson is that kind ofplayer.
Again, I think the Packers valueChristian Watson a little bit
more than I do. And I don't, you know, I'm not a
watching hater by any means. I'm just saying I think that
that the Packers would be even more likely to keep Watson than

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I would be to keep Watson. And then, you know, I, I, I
think jury is still like massively out on Wix and, and
what Wix is going to be Jaden Reed probably like that the
Randall Cobb going forward, I would think, like it seems to me

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that Jane Reed is going to be this kind of workhorse wide
receiver 2IN the offense. Like he's like Reed's probably
going to be the new Dobbs. I would say in a year or two
that's that's just going to be kind of where it is like like
Dobbs is probably gone and Reed is just the established #2
behind hopefully Golden. But there's there's a few guys

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that it could be who are, you know, that that really athletic
one draws all the draws, all thedefensive focus, all that thing
that like Reid, Reid's right, might continue to draw the most
targets in the offense year in and out.
Yeah, yeah, I, I think. Therese says.

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Would that mean hold on? I think I'm I think it's for
sure. OK, so I.
Mean as of right now, right? He makes.
Less to make sure that Drew's comment isn't in response to
somebody else. He makes less per year than
Savion does, you know. Kiwano says what hurts Dobbs is

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they've drafted 2 guys, Wicks and Golden, who do a bunch of
the same stuff Dobbs does. That's the thing.
Mike also says, I think it comesdown to Quay versus Dobbs and
not impossible, not. Impossible, I say after watching
the film this past week. I know where I stand on that.

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OK? If my guy's going to be out
there poaching dig routes from Dagger Concepts all year,
please. And the fact that I think him
and Cooper were just Dynamos, flying to the football, between
the tackles, all of it. I know where I stand.
It's one week. You know, you can overreact to

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one week. But if I had to pick right now,
my goodness, I think there's a reason they named him Captain.
One of the defensive captains. Kawano says Reid's problem is
drops and it seems they still view him as a slot only guy.
I think maybe what would be the most fair would be to push reset

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on our view of Jaden Reed and kind of evaluate like what he's
doing in 2025, Yeah. And and maybe, maybe kind of
burn the 2024 tape right, like. Yeah. 2024 was so all over the
place. Like how?
How much can we actually learn from it?
I I feel like you have to put. Some into it just simply because

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either I either like, I don't know, I I feel like if you're
wiping the second-half, then I feel like he wiped the.
First half as well where he's. Playing like an all world
player, right? I I'm fine with burning all 2024
and just. Saying like, yeah, 'cause I
think like I would. I would reset for 2025.
I would rather just evaluate it personally, but I understand

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where you're coming from where it's like super volatile.
What the heck happened with the drops?
It wasn't happening in the first, you know, 5-6, seven
weeks, whatever it was. Well, it, it wasn't just
volatile, it was, it was like kind of inexplicable.
Well, I'm saying the the fall off, yeah, right.
I get what you're saying. But if you're counting the first

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whatever 40% in the last 60%, you know, it kind of evens out.
But we love to talk about receiver.
Here, that's for. Sure, there are other players
that have done in the roster, I think.
You have. We have done it again, but you
know, they they dropped this Watson news.
That's that's where you start going.

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So, JJ, do you have the Mark Murphy minute or you know?
I actually do have the Mark Murphy.
Minute. All right, let's do it then.
Here we go. Let's go there, all right.
Via TMZ. What?

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Breaking Bad * Raymond Cruz arrested for spraying a neighbor
with a hose Raymond Cruz, of course, played Tuko Salamanca on
Breaking Bad. If you haven't watched Breaking
Bad, you are missing out. That's good to but Raymond Cruz
Spring is a neighbor with a hose.

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It's pretty reminiscent of of what the the Green Bay Packers
did on Sunday to the lion just sprayed him in the face with a
hose a whole game long. Especially they sprayed Jared
Goff with a a pass rush, ferocious pass rush.
And here we we need to take a a minute and admire our our art

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here. I got sorry.
Go on. I got to unpin you.
Michael Parsons, Batman and also.
Lion Hunter. Lion Hunter and and superhero.
Yeah, it was. It was a thing of beauty and
also terrifying watching like a Parsons.
Who by the way, did we not agreethat he's like, not fully in

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football shape yet? Like he's basically said so
himself quite a few times. Which is, which is again, I
think we've kind of said it lastweek too, where it's like, you
know, these guys who don't go through camp are holding out.
You feel like it takes him a fewweeks.
Like James Cook did a hold in and you saw what he was doing on
Sunday night. Like he looked like he was doing

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a hold in, like he was there allthe time.
And I think he missed maybe a couple.
But like clearly he was in conditioning shape to play.
So there, there definitely is some of that.
Which that's that's crazy. Josh Connolly, I'm very sorry.
I'm very sorry. 19 total pressures on Jared Goff, 4
sacks, two times he was hit as he threw it and he had to get

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the ball out really early A lot.Also worth noting the Packers,
sorry the Lions had AI believe 12% below expected passing rate.

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Not like pass passing success rate, just number of times they
situationally would run the ballin a situation where you expect
them to pass it. I wonder why.
I wonder what thing was making them go.
Let's, let's take our chances with Gibbs and Montgomery in

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instead of trying to throw the ball downfield 'cause this, this
is terrifying. Jared Goff when he was under
pressure, Here we go. He was under pressure.
He threw 2 turnover worthy plays.
His adjusted completion percentage, Nope, that's not

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this. I was looking for his his passer
rating was an 80. His pressure to sack ratio was
25%. When he was under pressure, he
was sacked 1/4 of the time. That's that's bad.
You don't like to see that his his passer rating when he was

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under or his passing grade. Sorry from PFF when he was under
pressure was a 27.6 and he was under pressure 16 times.
Wow. So I would say not only did the
Lions miss Ben Johnston a lot and miss their old offensive

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line a lot, they're going to need to have some answers for
the next time they face this Packers pass rush.
Because Jared Goff historically has always really struggled when
he's under pressure. And Ben Johnson did a fantastic
job of keeping him clean, way over average.

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And if they want their passing attack to stay as potent as it
has been. And again, I think there's some
things that they can that they can lean into, you know, play
action on 1st down, that type ofthing that they, you know, was
was kind of their identity underBen Johnson.
And then like, look, you're not going to replace Ben Johnson and

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Aaron Glenn overnight with rookie coordinators.
It's going to take at least a few games for these guys to grow
into the job. But the Lions are gonna need to
come up with some answers for slowing down this Packers pass
rush next time. And and the the Packers were not
blitzing very much either. They were getting pressure with
with four guys, Yeah. This is true.

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Did you have any other lovely? I I, yeah, I, I had one last
thing that I just remembered I wanted to say, which was that
the, we we talked a good bit in the last week or two with the
whole Micah Parsons thing about like, well, you know, he's going
to be somewhat of a liability inrun defense compared to whoever
else you might put on the field in his in his place.

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You know what makes up for that?Having Quay and Coop flying
around out there just blowing upthe run game.
And like, I don't know about you, man.
I'm not expecting the Lions run game to fall off.
Like I I don't think that what we saw on Sunday was, oh, the
Lions just suck at running. I think that it was the Packers

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linebackers shoving it in their face.
Yeah, no, I, I agree. Well, I think, I think a couple
things on this that I think, youknow, I, I, the Lions.
I don't imagine I, I, I should have looked up exact snap counts
before this. I I don't remember how many of

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their starters played in the preseason.
I imagine Rattler or Rattler. Wow, no.
Gosh, I'm looking. What?
Team were you talking? About here ratledge and and
mahogany probably got the most Iwould guess of all of the vets
and I can't imagine it was very much I don't I can give you the
answer and like a lot of teams and like a lot of teams, it felt

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like week 1 offensively was pre season week 4.
The problem is is when you have a defense that's flying all over
the place, you know, and and I think we saw it, the value of
having continuity and veteran presences on the interior of the
offensive line, right. Zeitler and Ragnar no more What

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happened? They got bullied all day, all
day. Ratledge looked looked kind of
lost out there at times looked alittle slower than a lot of the
guys lined up in front of him. Wyatt Van Ness Van Ness just
walked Mahogany back to the QB right on one of his it.
It just felt like there was theywere so much faster.
And then it was interesting to hear Kobe Wooden say that his

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dad called him and said stop therun this week.
And Wooden and all the guys werelike, now this is our mission.
We're stopping the run this week.
And from Next Gen. Stats, the Packers hit the Lions
ball carriers behind the line ofscrimmage on 16 of 22 carries,
72.7%, the highest rate the Lions have allowed in a game

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under Dan Campbell. Do you think Dan Campbell
enjoyed having Frank Ragnow? Yeah, yes he did.
OK, Packers allowed. We were on here last week
talking about how they have three started new starters on
the interior and like it showed their chemistry.
They were not on the same page. There were a bunch of missed
assignments. Guy please, where you're

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watching, you're like, oh, thosetwo guys were not on the same
page about who is handling who. I think, I think the, the, the
one, the, the, the play that comes to everybody's mind is the
one where they are backed up on like their own half yard line,
right. And then essentially I, I saw
some people saying, oh, my good person was triple his play.
He wasn't he was doubled, but still Colby Wooden was

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unblocked. He had a wide open barn door and
like, hey, here you go Gibbs, run right up the middle into
Colby Wooden's waiting arms. He's going to sit on your face
and sorry, he's a big guy. Yeah, it it looked like they,
they had miscommunicated who wassupposed to combo block because
it looked like there were two separate, 2 separate groups

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trying to combo block. And it's like, well, one of you
can't be doing this. So I don't know if it was on it.
If I had to guess, if I had to place a bet, it's probably on
ratledge, right? Who's I?
I get it's Parsons, but it's on the backside of a run.
You probably are letting your all pro superb athletes, Penne
Sewell take care of the backsideof a run, right?

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Like that's probably what was supposed to happen there because
I think I I and I know he's, youknow, he's got a lot of snaps in
his career, but it it's a different beast with with
Glasgow coming in. I would still probably lean
toward him being correct. But again, we're not in the
meeting. So we do we, there's no
guarantee. But also, you know, Packers are
all -12 rushing yards before contact, right?

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So that means that when on everyrun the Lions had you Add all
those up together at at first contact, every rush that adds up
to -12 rushing yards. So they were in the backfield a
ton -.6 yards before contact percarry.
That's the second worst mark ever under Dan Campbell.
And the Lions were also held to their fewest explosive runs, one

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in a game, over the last two seasons.
And didn't that one come in garbage time?
It was that one run. It was either that there were
like 2 Gibbs runs. I thought that might have been
it in the first half where he got the corner.
I think, I think Gibbs only had,I think he he only had one run

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that was went for double digit yards, did he not?
Is it an explosive run more than10 yards?
Isn't that Is that the definition?
Yeah, I don't remember if it wasearly or late.
I thought there was 1 he turned the corner on.
That could have been late in thegame though.
But. Gibbs.
His longest run was 14 yards. It was super jarring.
To see super. Jarring.

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They came, they came to play today and and I will say Fred.
Jake Detroit's What's Up? Gibbs's longest run of the day
was 14 yards. How many yards did he have
total? Rushing, Yep.
Or total 'cause I know he caughtlike 10 for 30 or something.
No rushing Rushing. His longest rush of the day was
14 yards. How many yards did he have total
rushing? 16 it.

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Was 19, but yeah. 19 Yeah, I wasgonna say I know it wasn't 20.
That's nuts. Montgomery's longest run was 6
yards and he had 25 total. And I think like there and I,
I'm sure I could find this as well, but their success rate
running was like the worst it's ever been.
I think under Campbell as well, which I think tracks with
everything else that we've kind of said, But it was, it is, it

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is very, very wild. I think honestly, like we, we
kind of talked about like. Could Green Bay's.
Defensive line who we thought was a little undermanned on the
interior, take advantage of an undermanned, you know, new set
up on the interior of their offensive line.
Could they take advantage? And by golly, they take
advantage and it wasn't just in the passing game, which I
thought maybe we were probably leaning towards that was going

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to have a bigger impact, right Wyatt and and and company
against a lot of these guys. But the fact that they did this
on early downs and then they they just punished people.
They were flying all over the place as you mentioned, JJ Quay
and coop. I mean, my goodness, you just
couldn't ask for a better duo inthat game.
Evan Williams is flying downhillto make plays like they are just
They were everywhere, and they reminded.

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Me a lot of the 2020 Tampa defense with the Lavonte David
and what was the other guy therethe the young guy Lavonte and
Devin White yeah with with thosetwo guys just flying sideline to
sideline all year and. Because they had Sue and they
had Vaya and they had guys and Pierre Paul and guys that got

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that on the edge. Like they were just getting free
looks and it was like there's nowhere to go.
And they had, you know, Winfield, they'd recently
drafted him and it was yeah, yeah, they were swarming.
And that's what it felt like. And I know somebody even
mentioned, I don't remember if it was position coach or if it
was Hafly talking about how goodMcKinney was with all the run
fits and and communication and all of that on Sunday as well.

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But it definitely looked like that was the case.
Lucas Van Ness is dropping into coverage and rallying to the
football. Like just just excellent,
excellent stuff across the boarddefensively.
That is the story of the game period.
Like that is just you come out and you're tired of being
punched in the mouth by his teamand says no, no, it's our turn.
We're throwing this first punch and it's just it very much was

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that from the start. Love making two key throws on
3rd down, one of them being a touchdown and they just didn't
look back. There's didn't look back at to
play Dr. offensively, right. Love to see those love the big
place and that was without without Watson.
And I will say, JJ, we kind of talked about this, this certain
corner, they picked on him, theypicked on Terry and Arnold and

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it paid off, which is what you have to do in this league.
You find the match up, you got to exploit it and they did it
from jump and it was working. So I good on them for for
attacking that. Good on Dobbs for cashing in
when he was, you know. Good call on the.
Kind of the rub route post wheelthat Reid scored on as well.
It is just everything was working there.

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Tucker, Kraft is an animal, period.
There's just just nothing else you can say about that.
He is. I think it'll be a big part of
why this run game's successful. And they did what Detroit and
Philly did last year, right? It was OK, we're up 17, six.
We're you know, we got the ball.Josh Jacobs time, let's go shut
this door. And Jacob said, yeah, I'm going

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to shut this door. And so that was really winning
as well. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. So that everything showed today
why they get McKinney. Why'd they get Jacobs?
Why'd they go get Parsons? Like that was it was very
clearly like, yeah, this is whatwe're about.
And boy, it felt really good. And I know people are saying,
you know, lock Halfley up. Don't let him.
Don't let him go anywhere. Listen, 100%, this is here we

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go. Please never let Jeff Halfley
leave. Yeah, I agree.
I think, you know, I've already got some weird, you know, plans
in my head that I'm, I'm feelingpretty good about actually that
that could maybe keep us kind ofrolling, right?
Do you want me to reveal that now?
So it sounds really cool. Please, please.
OK, So Miami, we saw it. We saw it.

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Miami did, right? That was Oh my gosh.
Yeah. Yeah, and, and the defense,
which I thought like Kenneth Grant coming in chop all these
guys, it was like, OK, like they're going to at least like
be OK defensively. Their secondary is not very good
at all. But I thought their front was
going to be good. No, they they just got pushed
around all day. Like, and it wasn't a good indie
line. That was that was really jarring

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that result because again, we thought indie's going to be a
doormat and Miami was going to be like kind of in this weird,
you know, limbo thing. No, I think Miami's gonna have a
good shot to go get Halfley. If so, Weaver, please, from
Miami. I think he did excellent stuff
last year and and he's kind of built from that cloth from from
Baltimore as well. So if that is the case and he

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wants the so-called plays, you might have an option.
There, Yeah. There were three guys in
Baltimore when when when we werelooking to replace Joe, there
were three different guys in Baltimore.
There's Weaver and Zach or and who is the other guy?

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One guy who didn't, didn't. One of them go on be.
Well, Weaver went to Miami or stayed, right?
He was the one who stayed. Or became the the DC.
Yeah, yes, which was why Weaver left and and OR was the young
guy now I really liked OR and I had I I I really thought that,

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you know, OR was like kind of mysneaky pick, like, oh, I you
know, I under the radar, but like, you know, you know who he
was on the under the radar for at all was John Harbaugh.
Like that dude knew what a rising star he had in the room
there. It was Chris something was the
where Chris like Parr or Chris Branch, I think his I think his

(32:29):
name is Chris on on the Lions cornerback problems that we
talked about. I was talking to some mad trash
about DJ Reed last week as well.And like as bad as Terry and
Arnold was, DJ Reed was, I thought far worse.
And the, the coroner who came into relieve Terry and Arnold was

(32:51):
a Meek Robertson and he was onlyout there for 1516 plays.
But I thought that it was actually a significant upgrade
for them when Arnold went out. I, I, I just don't know that
they have anything in Arnold. I I do think.
According to PFF, Reid was the worst by.

(33:15):
He, he also, he had that, he hada penalty too.
There were a lot of penalties for for the Lions, but there was
I think that that two of the worst cornerback rooms in the
NFL played each other on Sunday.And I would take the Packers
cornerback room 100 times out of100 over what the Lions have

(33:37):
that that is a really bad cornerback room.
And I think both the Packers andLions are going to need to make
additions. So first of all, for the
Packers, Nate Hobbs has to be healthy for the playoff stretch
or or elite passing offenses aregoing to pick them apart, pass
rush or no, right. You, you can do a lot better

(34:00):
than Jared Goff and you will in the playoffs.
You will face much better quarterbacks than Jared Goff who
are going to have a much easier time handling whatever kind of
pressure you're going to throw at them.
You're also going to face betteroffensive lines.
And so you need to have corners who can hold up better than
Keyshawn Nixon and you know, whoever else we have opposite

(34:24):
him, you know, we had like, basically it was it was the
safeties and the linebackers doing the the bulk of the work
defending the pass for us on Sunday.
I I didn't think that CarringtonValentine was like bad.

(34:45):
He was certainly serviceable. I would be content with having
him as our wide receiver too, but if you are missing him or
Hobbes I think you're in a a badsituation.
Javon Bullard was just terrible and Javon Bullard played better
than Keyshawn Nixon did. I pretty much when we were on
defense I was just staring down Keyshawn and you can't really

(35:10):
convince me that outside of like3 plays, passing plays that is
that we would have been better served having him out there than
playing with 10 guys on the field.
Yeah. Like, you might as well have not
had anybody covering his his receiver.
It was bad. Now, he made some really nice

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plays in run defense. He had a couple tackles for loss
that were key. And that's he's always been
better at at the line of scrimmage.
Just get him off of the boundary.
He does not belong out there. He can't hold up out there.
He's also like he's 29 years oldat this point.
I think he's lost a step. You know, he wasn't ever the
fastest guy, but he's consistently 3 yards behind the

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guy he's supposed to be coveringat this point.
Yeah, I mean, again, for run fitting stuff like that's that's
who you want there and that's probably why they're going to
put Hobbes on the perimeter, right with Valentine and then
you're going to see Nixon in theslot when they're nickel.
That's probably what's going to be the case early.
Could it change? Certainly.
Could they move guys around potentially because you know of
certain matchups? Yes.
And and maybe that's a reason they went and got Hobbes is is

(36:14):
right because of that versatility.
So, yeah, I, I think Hobbs getting back, you know, when he
can, even if it's not this week,which would stink a little bit,
but you know, again, with him with with Parsons, all these
guys, right, Tom and and Belton and not Belton.
Wow, No banks on the injury report.

(36:35):
It's like, you know, if you're not ready this week, you know,
I'm not worried about it becauseno need to rush at a quick
Thursday night turn around, which is just doesn't help for
anybody, unfortunately. I know it's fun.
I know it's nice to, you know, have two days between weeks in
the NFL season. I would just prefer them not to
do it because I do think, you know, it's it's part of that

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toll that they take on players all season.
But you know, I think that they're they're in a really good
position right now because of what happened on Sunday, because
that front was just didn't take just just didn't take the
bullying right. They.
Stood up to the bullies. And they said no more of this.

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So if that front plays like that, the linebackers play like
that. Evan Williams.
They they stood up to the bullies and gave them a wedgie.
They gave the bullies a wedgie 100%.
And so it was. It it kind of was like.
It. Was kind of like in in sky high
when Will got the powers. It was like, no, thanks, It's
we're done here. Like you're not, there's no more

(37:37):
of this nonsense. So that that's very much what it
felt like on Sunday. And so I, I'm, I, I'm very proud
of these guys. It was, it was awesome to watch.
It was very, very awesome. And, and how about some special
teams tackles, guys flying down there, you know, making some
plays, Nick Neiman on the punt. My goodness, like we are, you
know, that's, that's new. Three guys with a 78 or better

(38:02):
on on special. Teams Chris Brooks had a 90.
Brooks and 90. Yep, and Neiman and and Nick
Barry doing well on specials. So like.
Yeah, I, you know, we. Will shout at Javon Bullard
playing as well on special teamsas he did on defense.
Good job. Good job being consistent.
We've added consistency. Oladapo doing some nice work.

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Love that you know, is it is it a massive, you know, number for
for BFF? No, but it's good that he's
still contributing there. But also also, we must bring
this up. Chris Brooks and Josh Jacobson
pass pro. Yeah, You wanna stand up in the
face of a blitz, you call those two.

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That's why Chris Brooks is out of this team.
If you're ever wondering why he's here, well.
There's another reason he's heretoo, right?
There is. There's no other reason you're
here. He's here too 'cause he's and
he's a fantastic block and I really appreciate that about him
and I would like to see him keepdoing that and he I won't be OK
with him getting some carries. As long as we're up, I'm good

(39:09):
with that. You know, as long as it's not
like a gotta have it down, you know, like third down.
I, I don't really want him running the ball on 3rd down.
But early downs, sure, we can dothat.
I've seen enough of the Matt Lafleur experiments since 2022
of throwing to RB3 at the sticks.

(39:32):
I've seen enough of that. Can we stop doing that?
We had Josh Jacobs and Chris Brooks both out there in the
backfield. Yeah.
Josh Jacobs blocks, Chris Brooksruns to the sticks and there's
an incomplete pass. Just switch which running back
you're asking to do each thing because Chris Brooks can block.
I got no problems with him as a blocker.

(39:53):
Keep having him block, throw theball to Josh Jacobs can like I
just we've seen this so many times from Matt Lafleur now.
I don't fault Chris Brooks for it at all.
Like, I don't think that he's out there telling people yo.
Check out what I can do, like put me in this situation.
Like this is just something thatMatt Lafleur likes to do for
some reason. He did a bunch with Patrick

(40:14):
Taylor. He's done a bunch with Chris
Brooks. I've seen enough of it.
Let's let's move on from that. That's what you're saying?
Yeah, for sure, boy. Anybody else?
We didn't. We did it on.
Well, tool for this says, are you saying that Keyshawn has the
defensive Musgrave? No, because I highlighted some

(40:34):
things that Keyshawn does do well and I don't think Musgrave
does anything well. So Musgrave got tackled by a guy
who fell this week. OK, he got tackled by a guy who
fell. You have to be kidding.
Even really care so much about like all the stumbling and stuff
that Musgrave does like, but like whatever, that's just

(40:55):
sprinkles on top of the big poopsundae that you're serving.
He's not a he is not a blocker. I'm not gonna say he's not a
good blocker. He's just not a blocker period.
He can't block. So then he's just a big slow
receiver. And I'm sorry, we have some guys
who are not slow who know how torun routes and they're called

(41:16):
wide receivers. Let's just play them at receiver
because we can't play him at tight end.
Well, maybe make must grave the long snapper, although although
Matt Horzick played fine, he didn't have any bad snaps to
this game. I'm good with that.
He heard you, he heard you, he said I need to live up to this
contract. So we like what we see Week 1.
I have a different theory. I think it's all the love that

(41:39):
the Packers have been showing him on social media.
I think that he just, you know. Maybe he's one of.
Those hurting inside people werekicking around.
I've been giving him tough love and that's not what he needed.
He needed a hug and so props we.Need to shout him out on.
Twitter. We ever figured that?
Out. Everybody shot him out this week
for having a good week. My.

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Favorite long snapper? Let's build him up.
Hopefully I forget his name because he just always does his
job. And I forget that I ever didn't
like our long snapper. That would be amazing.
Yeah. Michael Brooks picked up a stunt
better than Royce Newman ever dreamed of.
Amen. Amen.
That's. True.

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That's tough. That's tough for Rice.
I was just going to say for Busker, that's the big thing
about these these tight ends whoare just receivers, right?
It's like, well, slot guys are quicker.
It can be more productive. And if you have a bigger guy, he
can kind of technically help in in the run game a little bit
more, right, rather than you. So it's not that I don't
understand Green Bay trying to swing for speed and upside and

(42:44):
hoping that a player who's 250 like Musgrave, right, This isn't
like a 230 LB guy. It's like they're hoping a £250
player like Musgrave has the requisite size.
Let's fill. Let's fill out the functional
strength. Let's get him.
In the weight. Room and see if he can do it
like I'm, I'm not, I'm not against that process because
it's a guy at Ohio State that I think a lot of people are going

(43:05):
to be convincing himself potentially that he could do
that right. Kazmeric my no.
Claire, Claire. Claire's a fullback, I know.
Or I mean he, no, he's an H back.
Claire's an H back going. To convince themselves.
And so it's like, OK, if you're 250 plus, you want to take that
chance, fine. Please do not do that in the top
50 anymore. Thank you very much and good

(43:26):
night. Can we it's can I ask you your
opinion on something? We we just pretend that Kraft
was the pick in the 40s and we're good.
We're OK, we just pretend it washim instead.
But. Can I ask your opinion on how
Harold Fannon played in week 1 because he got like 13 targets.
Yeah. So he, it was very similar.

(43:48):
It was kind of like, OK, they'recondensing the formation,
they're putting him at that kindof wing flex spot, right.
And and so they're giving the illusion of running and and
having a heavier personnel grouping out there and they're
just having him run routes out of it because you're in base and
he can take advantage of some ofthe matchups, right.
And he did, to his credit, a good job doing so.

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I think he also has to be an HVAC, right?
He that's he didn't do anything where it was like, Oh my gosh,
it's different than what we saw.It's very much the like, OK, he
can be a receiver. He's never going to be the
primary in line blocking ever, right?
They give him some screens, theygive him, you know, some quick
outs, some hitch stuff and they let him cook, right?

(44:29):
That's that's what they did. And he's good at that.
And he could potentially is, is one of those guys who could be
better than anything Cleveland has at the moment.
It's slot receiver. So I thought it was good from
him, but it's not going to like,I'm not going to suddenly go
like, Oh my gosh, he's he's Gronk or he's even Craft or he's
Kittle or any of these guys who are like actually doing the the

(44:51):
stuff in line. He also kind of like had a Rep
at at like H back where he just like was completely uninterested
in trying to block from that H back alignment, granted is on
the backside of the play, but even still.
So I don't think he is like doing anything profound.
It's just kind of like he's doing what what kind of happened

(45:12):
to Bowling Green. He he's giving some effort at
times as a blocker, but it seemsmore when he has to get to the
linebacker rather than hey, the defensive ends backside like we
need to take care of that. So.
Well, I don't even feel like with Fannin that it's like a
lack of effort from blocking. I think he's just not, he just
can't. No, he he's, he's not built for

(45:33):
it. No, I, I again, he yeah, he can
do some of it at fullback, but again, it's not always going to
be perfect either. And I don't even, I think
Taguar's even a better blocker. Probably.
He just Taguar just never reallyamounted.
But like, yeah, it's just yeah, it's just kind of what did you

(45:56):
expect? Yeah, it's about about what it
was right. Get some quick outs from Titan,
the formation. We'll throw a screen to you, you
know, and a bunch look right, get you get you some
advantageous positions where youtake advantage of the ball in
your hands. And he ran a couple really nice
routes too, but they they definitely threw a lot to him.
You know where he's OK, He's quote, UN quote in line for some

(46:19):
snaps where it's really not. He's really not.
He's in the slot. He's out wide right.
And. He's at H back so they moved him
around and that's that's what it's going to have to be.
That could absolutely work, but again, you're also sacrificing,
you know, potential slot receiver out there and maybe he
provides enough value for it. This is probably what the Bills
should have been doing with Kincaid from the jump, and they

(46:40):
haven't done that. And I don't think we're going to
get, you know, anything, you know, outlandish so from.
Him Brian Mafia. I have a question.
Are you, are you talking down tome for calling him an HVAC?

(47:01):
No, I think he could probably bethat too.
But this is the thing with these, this is the thing with
these tight ends, you know, they're not really tight ends.
Most of them. You want some real some, some
real tight ends, a real man, real man, as we like to call
nowadays with stuff like get youattacked.
Dalp, DALP from Georgia, Linden Meyer, Nebraska are a couple

(47:26):
that throw out there. And Sadiq is battling out there
at Oregon. My goodness.
It'll be interesting to see how he what he does from here when
they get into some when they finally play an FBS team.
So But you know, yes, that's a shot of Oklahoma State.
Yeah, it is that. I mean, that's an FCS final
score, man, My goodness. Put up more than three.

(47:50):
Perhaps they might need to be relegated after that, but
anyway. I mean, Oklahoma needs to play a
real opponent too. Like it would be nice to see
well. Well, there's that boy, you
know, Kawano's in here and he was in our he was in our Packers
chat. JJ, I don't know if you were
checking in on that. Probably were and just.
During the Vikings game. No, no.

(48:12):
During Michigan, Oklahoma at allof just.
Like that I did not see I was. They're, they're cowards out
there. I mean, they kind of were, you
know, they kind of just like don't make a mistake.
And it was like, OK, we're not going to do it, but then so
we're not going to score. So that was that kind of that's
kind of how that went. Oh, but anyway, classic.

(48:35):
How'd you like their their quarterback chasing down the the
freshman and screaming at him? That was that was interesting.
That was wild. Yeah.
That was interesting. Speaking of of young
quarterbacks, I got a young quarterback for you who's going
to cause major problems for us this week.
Hate to break it to to the good people in the chat, but Jayden

(48:59):
Jayden Daniels is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL
right now. He was last year.
He had a another fantastic game this past week and looking at
what he did on Sunday and what he did last year, I think the

(49:21):
Packers are going to have to blitz him.
PF FS passing pressure is showing that when you don't
blitz him, he is he is absolutely elite.
I worry a lot about whether our safeties are going to be enough

(49:47):
to to make up for what we lack acornerback with Jaden's deep
passing attack, because that's where he really kills you.
He's not your dink and dunk Carvey up underneath.
Like we're we're going to have to play some serious cover too,
you know, maybe get Oladapo involved as well.

(50:09):
Although knowing the Packers, they're going to see what they
can do with Bullard. Yeah.
It's it's that downfield passingattack.
In this pass game against the Giants, the the Commanders
attempted 11 shots. They attempted 15 shots past 10

(50:36):
yards down the field and only 14either shorter than 10 yards or
behind the line of scrimmage. And and it was not particularly
effective throwing shallow that that medium and deep passing is
where Jaden was making his moneyall day.

(50:58):
I'm. Just worried that that we might
be the type of defense that he could kind of replicate that
against again now. Maybe a wicked pass rush can get
him getting rid of the ball early.
That could be beneficial. It's possible, might be
essential. Yeah, I think there was there

(51:22):
was kind of one play I think last week that kind of
encapsulated Jane Daniels. Even his rookie sees him as
well. But it was it was also against
the Giants where by the way, theGiants front is also good
people. So like that's like a good
front. Like they they tested Connerly.
They got to him plenty of times.Yep, and they still didn't win

(51:43):
right. So they have Burns, who was
doing a nice job. Carter had a nice game and they
obviously have Lawrence right aswell, so that that's not like a
like. Oh, it's a stout.
It's a stout front for sure. And so like, is the backs end?
Is the back end very good? No Did like Cordell Flott have
some plays? Yes, that's probably what you're
hoping for. They're missing an elite safety.

(52:05):
If they had a really elite safety, Oh yes, that would help,
man. Like if only they could have
drafted somebody. Yeah, you know would be that
might be a difference maker for the defense.
It might. It really might.
JJJI think that's that is true. There's one play, one I want to

(52:26):
say that that Jane Daniels last season was the only qualified
quarterback to have increased his team's win probability when
holding onto the ball for four plus seconds.
That's not fun. And then two, there was a play.
It was they they had a bunch look to the right.
I have the play in front of me because I want to make sure I
had it. They had a bunch look.
They motioned out of it in a 2 by 2.

(52:47):
Daniels gets off the front side look instantly hates what he
sees, looks over the middle, looks backside, nothing.
OK, nobody's nobody's open, right?
Nobody's nobody's come open, butbuys time, scrambles hard to the
right and then just finds Deebo over the middle because Deebo,
you know, knows where to find space again.
Zone because he's been in the league for a while.

(53:09):
That's the kind of stuff you're going to contest with on
Thursday. You're also going to contest
with the fact that Debo is, you know, a heavy part of their RPO
game and quick game. He's going to be, you know,
motioning. They're going to throw it back,
you know, to him off of motion. They're they're going to, you
know, create a lot of confusion right with with all that stuff
at at the line of scrimmage and pre snap.

(53:31):
So it has to be another effort like we saw on Sunday.
Rally to the football, make tackles in open space.
It's going to have to be that similar thing.
And Quinn Cook and big, beautiful Bill, big, beautiful
Bill. There is him down 8.2 yards per
clip this past week. And Jeremy Mcnichols with his

(53:54):
half dozen, half dozen attempts.You know he was.
He was over 6 yards per carry aswell.
Yeah. So I mean, yeah, they're they're
you know, they're they're going to be it's tonsil there now,
right? It's not kind of a bunch of
average players, right? And they they've got big, big

(54:15):
expectations for Connerly as well, of course, but they don't
have caused me, which I think isa big deal.
So it's again, just, yeah, blitzing probably will certainly
help disguising a lot of that atthe line of scrimmage, right?
Double mug on the a gap, perhapswalk McKinney down, walk a

(54:37):
corner down, all this stuff to just, you know, give him that
same picture on key downs and not know who's dropping and
who's coming, right? Mess with the rookie in pass
protection as well, right? Mess with the the kind of the
group on the interior who's again, some kind of talk about
like be at us and those guys like that's fine.

(54:57):
Like it's a Glasgow thing where he's fine and he can do it.
But it's not like this is a world beating unit.
So there's still opportunity forHafley to really mess with, you
know, the protections and, you know, mess with them on stunts.
And again, as I kind of mentioned, like what guys up to
the line, you know, present the same thing, but present the

(55:19):
illusion of of who's coming, who's not and and really mess
with Daniels, because I think that's really all you're going
to be able to do is just kind ofmuddy that picture and and you
got to you got to win, you got to win some Mano Imano.
So, but that's going to that's what makes it exciting, right?
This is the kind of match up youyou like to see early is like,

(55:41):
all right, cool. Like we got the lions game.
That was nice. Great match up, good win.
This is either in my opinion, best or second best QB in the
NFC. So, you know, got to step up.
It's it's a short week and you know they're going to get
tested. This won't be This won't be a
walk in the park, even at Lambeau.

(56:04):
Yeah, it's true. There's what, 4 elite
quarterbacks in the NFC? It's Stafford, Baker, Jayden and
Love. I probably.
Like 2:00-ish, but like I get what you're saying like there is
a, there's a top echelon and this is this is going to be
first time seeing it this year, so.

(56:30):
The Packers. Dang it.
Cheesecake Factory list. Yeah, yeah.
Oopsie. Lost my thing.
Hold on. Come back here.
There we go. Now I can read it.

(56:50):
Got my old man eyes. So we have Aaron Banks.
Didn't participate either day, same with Britton Cox.
Nate Hobbs was limited both Monday and Tuesday.
Do you think he's going to play on Thursday?
Sorry. Who?

(57:10):
Nate Hobbs. That's my fault.
I was. I was Nate Hobbs.
Was limited Monday and Tuesday. Nate Hobbs was limited Monday,
Tuesday. Do you think he's going to play
on Thursday? I'm going to lean.
I'm going to lean no. I think they give it one more
which I I'm totally fine with again.
I'm torn because I think this isa team that we that we really

(57:34):
could use a win over. For sure, for sure.
And kind of need him more and we're going to need him for a
lot of the rest of, of the regular season.
But also, I I really don't want to rush him back because we need
him healthy for the playoffs. If we don't have him healthy for
the playoffs and we don't acquire another guy, whether

(57:57):
that is somebody young breaking out or or, you know, going to
get Newsome there. There was a comment earlier in
the chat about Asante Samos junior.
And like, you know, he's, he's probably going to be ready, you
know, around the time you're making your playoff push.
The Packers have to make it an acquisition.

(58:18):
They they can't go into the playoffs this thin to where you
cannot survive an injury. If you lose Nate Hobbs or
Carrington Valentine, you are screwed.
Right now you're playing Javon Bullard and Keyshawn Nixon.

(58:38):
Yeah, like I said, maybe it's a young guy breaking out.
Maybe Beau Melton breaks out. That's fine.
I'm. Fine with.
It's not going to happen. It's.
The growth coming from somebody else who's not currently in the
mix here, like we, we know what Carrington is.
I think we kind of know what Nate Hobbs is.

(58:58):
By second contract probably although there is some of that
fifth year change team kind of like you're projecting the break
out and you could get it, but he's not going to suddenly get
like I mean. Remember, I didn't like the Nate
Hobbs pick up. He's not going to suddenly get
more explosive, right? There's not, there's none of
that. So it's it's more of like.

(59:19):
I think we need somebody to. IQ coverage responsibilities,
like all that stuff and then occasionally, right,
occasionally, do you hear me, Trayvon Diggs, Deron Bland,
occasionally taking some risks to make some plays, right And,
and jumping, seeing what the quarterback's looking at to make
a couple plays, right. So yeah, I think just for him,

(59:40):
it's just maybe continue to pushthat football IQ into the next,
you know, next step up. That's that's probably where
you're going to get the most jump from him.
He's not going to suddenly be faster twitch, you're more
explosive, any of that. So yeah, you've probably seen it
for the most part, 80 to 90% forthe optimists of his ceiling

(01:00:00):
probably. And as you said, yeah, I think
Carrington's kind of is who he is other than the the football
IQ thing maybe puts his ceiling a little higher, but I, I do.
Agree. And I think like, I think
Carrington provides a nice floorthat we don't get from from
Keyshawn and Bullard. And like, we still have no idea

(01:00:21):
at all what we have, if anything, in Beau Melton seems
like he could be really good. Jury's way out on that.
You know, he wasn't playing out there for us on defense on on
Sunday. And by the way, did not
participate Monday or Tuesday with a shoulder injury.
Beau Melton, you know, Mike Robinson, like OK, I, I don't

(01:00:42):
know if we have any idea if, if we're going to get anything out
of him in, in year 1. So Kamal Haddon, you know,
again, I, I, I think we need to make a pick up at some point to,
to continue to add some, some floor to this room.
And if you, if you can find somewhere like when we went and

(01:01:06):
got Rasul Douglas in 2021, like if Guti can go find somebody to
come in and be that difference maker on the boundary, maybe,
maybe he already did. Maybe it's Nate Hobbs or maybe
it's Beau Melton. I don't know.
But but what we saw on Sunday was what we saw all summer in
training camp and it's not good enough.

(01:01:28):
Right. It isn't, yeah.
I think the the the thing about this, this whole thing with like
playing this week or not, it is kind of I'm not trying to get
ahead of myself at all here or get ahead of things for Green
Bay. But if you win this game, the
rest of like the first half of the season, extremely winnable

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across the board. This was the only loss I had.
Detroit and Washington were the only games early on that I
circled as being, you know, realistically losable.
Obviously, anybody can jump up and get you, especially if you
just don't show up in the Packers do that better than
anybody. But there is like a Cincinnati

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game lingering where it's like, ah, sure, RIP off explosive
plays in the passing game. If you're kind of sleepwalking a
little bit in in in mid-october,like that's a possibility.
But I do agree there's just not like there's not a lot of juice
and it's this first half schedule other than Sunday and
this game. I agree there.

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There isn't. But as you said that you got to
show up for all these, but it iskind of lend credence to like
playing Hobbes this week, right,because like, OK, well, you
could probably survive without him, you know, till mid season,
right? Should he, you know, re
aggravate something or feel like, you know, I got to get,
you know, shut down for a littlebit after after returning.

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Be great to have him for this litmus test for sure in the NFC.
But also if you're risking, you know, not having him at all
because of coming back too early, then yeah, I'm I'm out,
I'm out. I don't want that.
Like, I would love to have him, but as you asked earlier, I, I,
I kind of lean towards him not playing because I do think they
might be because of how many snaps Parsons played and all

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this that they may just kind of like, all right, we know what
kind of squad we have here. Like let's, you know, slow down
a little, right? So just just to take a look at
the schedule. Yeah.
Detroit and Washington, I thought there was a really good

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chance we were going to split with those two teams.
So. Let's just assume that happens.
Let's just assume that Jayden Daniels is elite, elite, elite
and and we do drop one to Washington on a Thursday night.
Yeah. So then after that you're you're
1:00 and 1:00 you got the Brownsand the Cowboys.
Really no excuse to to lose either one of those games.

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No, you should be 3 and one at that point.
Then you got your bye week. Rest up.
By the time you come back October 12th for that Cincinnati
game, you should have your offensive line back.
Like we don't think that any of the injuries that we're facing
an offensive line are going to be long term.
They should be back after the bye week at the latest.

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I would think Arizona Cardinals,I think they're going to be
pretty bad. It didn't look good this week.
It's one week, but like that's you got a if you're if you're
serious, which I I'm kind of a more of a.
It's not a good rosters. Guy, I'm more of a bullish
Cardinals guy. Like if you're going to show
something, you need to stomp on the Saints, like period.

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Like you need to come out and belike, all right, we're not the
same team. And it just didn't look like
that. And I think Kyler is going to
shoulder the load of like not being why this is not going
anywhere right now. And I agree, JJ, the roster's
not like exceptional right offensive line type of thing.
Like that's I get it. But like, if, if Kyler's going

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to be serious, if we're going tobe serious here, you need to
need to put the hammer down likethe Colts did, Colts said.
We're not, are you? Doormat type of thing, you know.
Are you at all biased towards Phoenix because of the Saint
Louis Cardinals and and your love for them?
Do you think that? No.
Do you think that subconsciouslyyou're a little biased toward

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them? No.
Because of that. No, actually I think I'm more
bullish on Seattle this this year was coming, coming into the
season honestly than it was Arizona after kind of going
through. It I was a little bit surprised
that Seattle didn't play a little better against San
Francisco. Now it's a division.
On the ball as well, but there was a lot of like late, late pre

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snap like movement there to kindof steal some gaps, which I
think they did a tremendous job.Credit to Salah, we know we can
design A defensive play, a play sheet and and get them ready.
Yeah, that was a little surprising.
But I I still think Seattle probably wins the division, but
they're, they're starting out chasing the 49ers.

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We'll have to see. They needed to pick that game
off. They really needed that one now.
George. Caleb.
I thought they were not IR. Yeah, I thought they were going
to get it too. I really did.
Probably should have honestly won that.
Game after the Cardinals game, we are facing the Steelers.
And Rogers, baby, we're. Back I I I just don't think

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that. They're not winning.
They're not losing. What?
Pittsburgh does well, matches upparticularly well against what
the Packers struggle with. It's it's, it's strength on
strength for if if you're, if you're a Steelers fan trying to
talk yourself into that one, it's it's strength on strength.
And and I, I don't know that you're.
I will. Say, boy, Breece Hall looked

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good this past week. He looked good.
And The Jets aren't like overwhelmed like they are.
They are young on that offensiveline.
They pushed him around. So that's not super encouraging.
Like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh should have been
comfortable winning that game like 2313 and be like, Yep,
that's that's the type of ball like Aaron Rodgers makes up

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plays and the defense holds up. I don't like the idea of them
winning 3432 against The Jets. Like cred to all cred to The
Jets. They fought.
That was really impressive. They got a lot of the fields.
Bruce. Hall, the Steelers secondary is
absolutely horrific. It is, yeah.
They very, very, very bad they. Struggled so like that yeah
they're Green Bay should win a lot of matchups I I think across

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the board in that game and yeah I I would I'd be shocked if.
They get rid of the building. I just realize we we kind of
glossed over the Bengals game and that could be this, Drew
mentioned. Of course, the Achilles heel for
for Cincinnati is they have to put their defense on the field
at the times. Yeah, they cannot have them out

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there. It's AI.
Mean they might it might not look that much different whether
they had their defense out thereor not That's.
What I was going to. Say you never know.
The Bengals did their classic thing, by the way, so I hope you
got in on that. Cleveland plus 5 1/2, folks,
because the Bengals did the thing again, stumble out of the
gate, look completely anemic offensively and have two Joe

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Flacco passes tipped up in the air to be picked off and
Cleveland missed an extra point in the field goal.
You won by a point like that is that is so classic.
They should have lost that game.It should have been like New
England last year and they're inthe hole, right, Playing
Jacksonville this week. They should have been in the
hole, right. And and again, they're going to
get better offensively, right? Chase Brown, you know, and and

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Chase and Higgins like that's, that's going to be their, their
old line's not super great. Miles Garrett like basically
depleted Burrow out of stunt this past week.
And like, and their defense is going to get pushed around by
teams who like care and have like that identity that could
kind of put the gas down a little bit.
So yeah, there could be some of that.

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But if they play like they did against Detroit, like I don't, I
don't know how Cincinnati combats like T Higgins can't do
it like Jamo and St. Brown could do with the ball in
their hand, right? They don't have a laporta Chase
is awesome, no question, right. But like they don't, I don't
think they have the weaponry like Detroit does top to bottom

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and so and they don't have the tackles Detroit does.
So that shouldn't be a slip up game.
And then, you know, after you said after Pittsburgh, it's
Carolina at home. And by the way.
I went, I went in and one in my NFL bets this week, 10 and one.
The one bet that I lost was I bet on the Panthers to cover a 5

(01:09:54):
1/2 point spread. I blame you.
You talked me into believing in this Panthers offense and
believing in Bryce Young. I said they the worst thing they
ever did was treat Elon, though I did say that when they traded
the Elon, I said that is not a good idea.
And then when Coker's on IRI don't it looked like a preseason

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game out there. That was that was really rough.
As somebody, though, who has some Liam Cohen coach of the
year bets, we like that. OK, Lawrence just needs to hit
Brian Thomas, please. Just like for real life and also

(01:10:36):
for my fantasy team. But like, please just connect
with Thomas. Thank you so much.
Otherwise, we may get a little dose of Nick Mullins, but I
think offensively they're going to be fine.
Bungie Chatterbug in the chat says.
Man, I wish you guys didn't start at the same time as PTAI
have some really bad news. We are.
We are ending very early today. We are.

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I have some stuff I have to get to in like just a couple
minutes. So yeah, regret to inform you of
all of that. OK, So we got two things I think
to do really quick. Then before we wrap up, we kind
of talked about like that first half of the schedule, right?
It's it's Green Bay has played their last divisional game until

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November 23rd. That's just, that's insane.
I hate, I hate when the NFL doesthe schedule like this.
We don't play our first Bears game until December, and then we
do it once in three weeks. Yeah, twice in three weeks.
I hate this. We should always play the Bears
within the first three weeks of the season and then also within

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the last three weeks. That's how it should be.
This looks like this looks like a contract.
OK, this schedule looks like a long term deal.
OK, let's give you some guaranteed money up front.
Here's your Detroit Washington right And oh, back load that
sucker. Eagles, Vikings twice Bears,
twice Lions, Broncos, Ravens, like here you go.

(01:12:02):
Here's all your buddy late. That cab number on the back of
the schedule is massive. So it it is a little bit of that
and then there's like some weirdthing that the team got a, you
know, a nice comfortable deal inthe New York Giants.
But it is. The one thing I will say where
this is. They need to be out front.
They need to be out front by midway in the season so.

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And, and I think they will be, and I will say they should be.
Now, am am I sleeping on the Lions?
No. But the Packers don't have any
business losing the division this year.
They should win this division handily.
They should win it by a couple of games.
They should. If they don't, then shade on the
Green Bay Packers. Seriously.

(01:12:47):
Yeah, I think, yeah, that. So that's what I was going to
say is. So I guess we have three things.
JJ, did you have, Is there a take away from Week 1 as a whole
doesn't have to be pack related that you feel like is not an
overreaction, that is a genuine concern, not an overreaction
from Week 1. Well, and if you have one that

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is, you can throw that in as well.
Boy, this isn't the direction I thought this question was going.
I, I had an observation about Week 1, which was that usually
defenses are winning early and offenses are really struggling
and that was not the case. Like these were some extremely

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high scoring games like across league in Week 1, I think only
two overs hit on Sunday, but allof the, all of the, but the
ancillary, all the point totals were quite high.
Like I noticed that when I was going through and and placing my
bets that they were they were all pretty darn high.
So that was interesting. And and I had thought like, hey,

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maybe this is like a result of, you know, more teams playing
their starters in the preseason,something like that.
But like, as you go through teamby team, it was there were not a
lot of starters playing in the preseason.
Like you know, you asked at the beginning of the show like Hey,
how many of the Lions offensive lineman played in the pre
season? The answer is it was just

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ratledge and it was only in the first pre season game.
He didn't play in pre season game two or three.
So he didn't play like you're talking about like pre season
week 1, not Hall of Fame, right?Pre season.
Week 1 so that Atlantic. Their their first.
Oh, their first. Yeah, that's the tricky nonsense

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with the Hall of Fame game. So do they do they play 4 pre
season games? Yeah.
They did. OK, I didn't look at.
That one of the chargers I feel.Like he, I have never in my
entire life watched the Hall of Fame game.
Yeah, all I know is all I tracked was Lambert, Smith,
Harris and and Tesla from that game.

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Tesla so the by the way. Well done.
I don't want to talk about that.Turn to the top grade on BFF of
all the rookie receivers becauseof that.
OK, none of the none of the Lions starting offensive line
played in the Hall of Fame game.Dan Skipper and Jamarco Jones

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got a lot of play time as well, as well as Kingsley.
Egocon. Egocon.
But Oh yeah, you know, that's it, yeah.
So yeah, I mean they. Didn't and our and our second
favorite Canadian, Gio Mannu. Oh, yes, obviously he was up
there, Gio. I I liked Gio kind of as a
prospect. I I could not believe how early

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the Lions took him. I thought they that.
Was kind of wild. A long time, yeah.
Same with the two way guy, Siaki.
Oh, Sionevaki, Yeah. Sionevaki, Yeah.
Thought they took him way early.As well.
All right, so overreactions in in week 1.

(01:16:02):
Sure. Keyshawn Nixon, You know, I, I,
I think the, I think the cornerback, I think the
cornerback room for the Packers is going to be a problem.
And I'm not sure at some. Point.
The Bengals are capable of taking advantage of that.
Obviously the Eagles can do that.
I think the Vikings, once they kind of get their crap together,

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are going to be able to do that.So yeah, I think that's about it
as far as overreactions in a negative way.
Overreaction is a positive way. We only had one drop on offense.
It was Jaden Reed. Everybody else didn't have any
drops. Now, Wix wasn't really targeted
very much. I'd like to see a little more

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Wix usage. But yeah, Golden, that's my
answer to that question. Likely full participation is a
big deal. That's great.
Want to see more of him real quick.
Mine, I think the biggest concern that I think Will will
stick around from the overreaction week is the one

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that sticks around to me is I think Pittsburgh is going to
stay competitive. I think they could have folded a
lot in that game. And yes, The Jets did give them
a fumble on the kick return, butI do think they're here to stay
in terms of playoff contenders. I was a little worried, but I
think they're sticking around. The one that I think that was, I

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guess that's more. Sign me up for a Packers to the
Super Bowl. Yes, please.
Reaction, I think that yeah, I don't think we need to.
I don't think is a big deal. The one that I'm like, I guess
maybe more concerned. Carolina offensively, I think
concerns me because again, no feeling was a massive blow to

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them. Leget still was very.
Confused about that? Pick in the first round.
Not sure why they did that was it had it was very Jonathan
Mingo coded. I'm not sure why that happened.
So yeah, it it didn't look good.Hopefully it's not but I I am
concerned about them for sure. So I yeah, Pittsburgh and
Carolina are too. I I wouldn't I Detroit like

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maybe concerned in January, but I'm not like overly sweating
what happened offensively for them just yet, Like I wouldn't
be like. I mean, unless you want to be
concerned about their interior offensive line and just like do
they have the right guys? There's a lot of offensive
lineman in that room who I thinkare similar talent levels.

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Do they have the correct three guys out there?
Is is my question. Yeah, I, I think it's more
likely, I think it's somewhat likely that Dan Skipper becomes
a starter on this offensive line, not due to injury.
I mean, maybe injury forces thatanyways, but, but I, I, I, I
think it would not take an injury for Dan Skipper to become

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a starter on this offensive line.
Super tall, let's say I think he's too tall, but.
Skipper is. I got it right here he is 6 foot
9317. That's that's, that's tall.
For the interior, it's tall. Sewell to guard but.
It could do worse. Honestly, that could be fun.

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Sewell to center. Well, that now, now we're
talking no, but yeah, I think that'll be more interesting in
January. They play the Chiefs in a couple
weeks, I think. Hell, hey, the Chiefs look like.
Or no, they garbage. Well, that's yeah.
The Chiefs look like garbage. Granted, it was an overseas

(01:19:49):
game, the international game. Herbert, Man.
Hey as as a long time Herbert truther.
That was sick. You know, I have always, with
the exception of Mariota, I've always been a big Oregon
quarterback truther like Herbert, Nicks, Gabriel, like,

(01:20:14):
yeah, have you ever known me other than Mariota?
Have you? And that you and I weren't
friends back in the Mariota days.
But have you ever known me to like, not find an Oregon
quarterback to love are. You are you.
Are you getting there with the current one?
Are you feeling it? I need to see more.
I need to see more. I need to see.
More does is he, is he conjuringa little bit out of you right
now? Like I'm not saying you have to

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be fully sold, but is he, do youfeel like there's a little bit
of juice right now? I cannot comment because I'm
ashamed to say this. I've only seen highlights.
I have not actually sat down andwatched Oregon, so for that
reason I'm not going to be. Fair.
To be fair, they have only played two FCS teams so far.
Kawano says says he's in Auburn quarterback.

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Look, he played two years at Oregon.
Where did he? Actually figure it out, Mike,
Where did he actually figure it out, you know?
And like, like by by by that metric, are you know, are you
going to call Dylan Gabriel Oklahoma quarterback Good.
I liked I liked his Oklahoma year a lot.
I really wanted because the Buckeyes needed a quarterback.

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It was very too a code. Dylan is who Dylan Gabriel is
who I wanted the Buckeyes to go after.
Of course, they end up getting Will Howard instead.
And it worked out well. But I I always really liked
Dylan Gabriel's game. I his style of play is the IT
just pushes all the right buttons for me.
Yeah, never sees, at least at Oklahoma at at Oklahoma it did
never sees it to amaze that two of those Oregon guys went

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against each other in a game in 2019 that that was the high
profile game early in September,Knicks and Herbert way back
when. Very cool stuff.
Any any quick thought before we go on Minnesota Chicago?

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Yeah, I, I think that I think that they're both bad.
I think that the, the, what you saw out of Minnesota's offense
late to me was more about the Bears defense.
I think that the Bears are gonnahave a pretty bad defense this

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year. And I think it's largely has to
do with just it, it's not a gooddefensive roster.
Like you just look at who they have on that side of the ball,
very few good players. And with them missing Jalen,
like he's kind of their only really good defensive player.
Now. I I think that their second best
defensive player might be JerrodDexter, which is which is not

(01:22:51):
what you want to say. No, no it isn't.
Especially when you paid Sweat alot and Gordon got an extension
to. But I'll tell you what you know,
Javon Dexter, I like Javon Dexter coming out of college.
That's good. To see.
I did too. I did too, but see.
From him, but and they already cut Pickens from that draft too.
That was kind of wild. That was like, wow, they're he
can't even find a roster spot. So like.

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Yeah, Zach Pickens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't even think Gervan. Gervan is a good player, but he
should be like your 6th, 7th best for sure defensive player,
not your second. And so there was a question
earlier somebody asked like, hey, you know, is the NFC North
like the worst cornerback division in the NFL?

(01:23:33):
And like you and I had floated that that theory last week even
and like. I think.
It's pretty inarguable that the best cornerback in the the NFC
North is Jalen. Yeah.
By a pretty wide margin, yeah. And like, I don't really like

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their safety play that much. Like, like Kevin's not bad.
He's not bad, but he's getting up there.
He is. He had himself a a decent game,
I thought against the Vikings. He was decent last year.
But like, he's he he keeps regressing the older he gets.
Yeah, Kuano says Caleb's first drive was a show.
My dad, my dad asked me about it.
He's like, what happened on the 1st Dr. I'm like, oh, Caleb was

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doing the same things, making all the plays on the place,
right? Scrambling, doing all that
stuff. Really cool.
Throw to a dune safe, like no doubt that was very awesome
amount of velocity you can you can generate on a throw like
that rolling right for doomsday to make a nice play on very
cool. But he scrambled around and he
ran with his legs and he did a lot of what he did at USC where
it's and, and I think even like honestly, like it feels like

(01:24:38):
he's had, he had better mechanics at UFC and USC and
there's kind of been that sort of breakdown now because I think
the game's moving too fast for him that the mechanics are
suffering from it as well, but. He was not playing against good
defenses. No, no.
He was playing as horrible defenses in college, right?
And so, and he was beating them with his athleticism.
The the mechanics were better atUSC than what we've seen here.

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But I didn't like his mechanics in college.
He was never my type of quarterback in college.
I didn't think that he could make reads.
I didn't think he was demonstrating any kind of an
understanding of his own offense.
He was out there playing, you know, Dylan Rayola, right?

(01:25:23):
He's yeah, yeah, he, he's, he's.Living off of, of of the broken
plays, that's where he's more comfortable, you know, very,
very shooter Sanders. We've talked about this like he
turns into 2015 Aaron Rodgers, where it's just like, I don't
like what's going on in the pocket right now.
Let me buy some time and make a throw like a second reaction
play. And so, like when I was kind of

(01:25:44):
like waiting for like, all right, all right, When is
Minnesota gonna like, not let him escape and let make him do
something? And now I want to see what
happens, right? My biggest problem with Caleb
has always been his complete inability to throw with any kind
of anticipation. It's it's very Trubisky esque.
You know Trubisky, it was very scary at times because he had a

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big arm and he would make outrageous throws.
And Caleb does the same thing. But neither one of them could
throw with any type of anticipation.
They were always late with the ball, always.
You had to draw up plays for them specifically and they still
would never throw the ball on time.
Now, if you can get them focusedto where they're delivering the

(01:26:28):
ball with timing for a few playsin a row, boom, you got a
touchdown. But the it's it those two guys
have just never been able to sustain that.
No coach has gotten them to sustain throwing with
anticipation to the right guy. And like against the Vikings, he
was also struggling with accuracy, which again, like,

(01:26:50):
crappy mechanics, but like, he was going back to to all of last
year and continuing through thisweek. 1.
Caleb Williams leads the NFL in uncatchable passes due to
overthrows. Yeah.
It's like 52 or something and it's like 17 more than the next
guy. Yeah, now I.

(01:27:13):
Think I think this is exactly correct.
Yeah, in defense, I said be careful to clown early.
Just be careful to can have yourfun.
Just saying. Be careful, however.
I'm really not clowning him. I'm I'm.
No, no, I'm not continuing to point out he's.
He's having the same problems hedid, right?

(01:27:34):
Right. For his entire career, right?
And so to see a lot of that right now, it's very Kyler
coded. It really is.
It's extremely Kyler Murray coded where it's like when?
Remember when the Cardinals weresuper good early in the season
that one year? Green Bay. 21, yeah.

(01:27:54):
Green Bay being on the road, remember what Kyler was doing,
running around just, oh, nobody can catch me.
Look at me 5 seconds after the play.
Like making this throw to a wideopen guy and like, we're putting
up 40 points and we're just having a grand old time.
And then kind of reality hit in the second-half of the season of
like, no, no, you're, you're, we're not we're going to play
contain now, see the field. And then it was like, OK, it's

(01:28:17):
over. That could be.
I don't like Kyler. Either as a as right.
And and I don't I don't think you should at this at this
juncture. And so that's that's the concern
is it's very collar coded. And you know, that's just not
that's not going to be a career that lasts because at some
point, like a Russell Wilson, like the not going to be able to
scramble anymore. Like you just can't do it

(01:28:39):
anymore. So what what can you do after
that? If it's nothing, That's it.
So it was it's tough. It was, you know, JJ coming
alive a little bit where it was kind of like, OK, like these
bears corners stink. Like please take advantage.
I think Jalen from fantasy points data, Jalen Naylor had

(01:28:59):
one of the highest separation scores on the week.
Not surprising they got Aaron Jones involved in the passing
aim. They started running Jordan
Mason and they were just the success rate was skyrocketing
down the down the that fourth quarter and it should have been
right. I expect KOC to lift AQB more

(01:29:22):
than Ben Johnson right now, eventhough Ben Johnson's done a
tremendous job with Goth, I justfeel like he has a a way to
smash the easy buttons that Ben Johnson needs to keep
incorporating and and doing a better job with Caleb.
So yeah, that was, I didn't meanto get us off on a a massive
tangent with that one, but I kind of figured that was good

(01:29:42):
that was going to happen when talking about the Bears and
Vikings. So.
What, what was your, what was your third question?
So we've gone 15 minutes. On each year, who's winning,
who's winning Thursday you got Green Bay this weekend picking
against them. What's the what's the what's the
move? We both picked Detroit last
week. Yeah, and I'm fine with
continuing that juju. And you're right.

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I'll, I'll, I'll pick Washington.
Let's do it. Let's do.
That I'm I'm fine with with continuing that juju.
I mean, I, I had the Packers Lions game absolutely in in toss
up territory and I said it's gonna come down to who shows up
ready to play. And like if you had told me
before the game, hey, one of these two teams is going to

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sabotage themselves with a ton of penalties, especially pre
snap penalties in all three phases.
I think you would have guessed it and and.
This team is going to struggle to get the to run the ball,
they're going to struggle to block with their interior
offensive line, and their cornerbacks are going to get
absolutely shredded because theysuck.

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I would have hung my head in depression and got another one
of these games. It's going to be like, Oh my
gosh, should we panic in Green Bay because of a slow start?
Like it it was. Yeah, for sure.
Like who? Jordan loves went out with the
thumb. He didn't get the reps in the
final preseason game, but yeah, lo and behold, they came out and
they said no, no, not today. But yeah, I have AI, have a

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Jordan love nitpick and I, I, I got to go back and rewatch the
game. I can't, I can't remember how he
played in the fourth quarter, but his third quarter was quite,
it was forgettable at best. It was quite pedestrian.
I thought he was pretty white hot for the first half.
Third quarter, pretty pedestrianand I can't remember how the

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fourth quarter went, how many I don't.
Think he threw many passes in the fourth quarter for the Yeah,
I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know how many
it was. I, I got to go back and watch
and, and, and come up with some conclusions about what went
wrong in the third quarter. There, there were some errant
passes for sure in the third quarter.
He he was on point in the first half though.

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Again, another game that I imagine is going to be
competitive, right? Tool for this says the game plan
changed to using up clock in thethird Matt Lafleur special.
As long as you're up by at leasta field goal at half time, try
and kneel out the second-half. This is a Matt Lafleur special
and it you know, it's a strategy.
I think he's trying to minimize injuries and all.

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That but yeah, I I will say throw to score, run to win.
They 100% did that. And, and very pleased about
coming out and saying like, yeah, I know we understand like
we might not get a lot of push in the run game early.
Let's throw, throw, throw, throw.
And I'm I'm really glad that that was the that was the
approach helps when your runningbacks can pick up blitzes like

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that. Do I trust Canard at right
tackle if he has to go in the run game?
Sure. Against against Doris Armstrong,
we had 9 pressures on Sunday. I'm not thrilled about that.
DHF wise also had a high pass rush win rate.
Again, I know it's the Giants and they didn't have Andrew

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Thomas and Marcus Bow didn't play.
I thought he was going to because Thomas wasn't.
So I don't even remember who their tackles were, which is bad
if I don't, if you don't know who they are, like I think like
long snapper is very different, right?
If you don't know your long snapper, he's probably good,
right? We've talked about that.
But if you don't know who the tackles are going to be this
week, that's horrendous. Like you don't like you either.

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Like there's no like in between.I don't.
I think the in between's probably better where it's like,
I don't even like who's playing is is also better like, oh, no,
he's playing like there's this kind of a same thing.
So, yeah, I don't know what to think.
Canard might be the the kind of the exploit that Washington's
able to take advantage of a little bit more than others.
However, you know, if the protection holds, I I expect, I

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expect them to be in a in a pretty tight game.
I'm going to give Washington theedge.
Just again, keep the Juju Cohen.Give me 2321, Washington.
I think I think it could be a high scoring game because I

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don't I think the Packers are going to have to score to keep
up with, you know, to to to makeup the ground for their
secondary being a little mushy against a pretty good pretty
good passing attack for for Washington.

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I do wonder how much Jeff happily is going to commit to
containing Jayden. I kind of would rather take my
lumps with with with Jayden scrambling and just don't let
him, you know, beat you over top.
I'd, I'd rather play, you know, do a, a, a shell or, you know,

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play some cover three kind of what Dallas did a little bit.
Last Thursday, yeah, where it's like no, no explosive passing
games, let's make you go down and and and again, Jayden can
probably do both right. That's what makes him so good is
right. He'll take advantage of the slot
fades. He was so good at doing so in
college. But he's very capable, it seems
of of, you know, slowing this down 14 play drive.

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But I'd rather make him do that then give him the one play down
the field like 100% a hundred times out.
Of I also don't know if we can, if we're going to be able to run
the ball at least up the middle against this Washington front.
You know, you got those, those front 3, Javon Kinlaw and Duron
Payne and Eddie Goldman. That's a stout front.

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I will say the Giants, the Giants made them look very good.
The the the Washington front made an offensive lineman,
tackle Scatabo at the goal line.That was rough.
I don't think you're going to get that same thing for Green
Bay, but. We're we are probably playing

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without Zach, Tom and Aaron Banks now.
I don't know that Aaron Banks isthat big of a loss.
I thought he played pretty poorly against Detroit, you
know. But we're we're going to be down
some guys. You, you are probably playing
Sheed and Morgan at tackle. Yeah.

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I mean, who's who's? Hey.
Hey, we're doing it for the juju, Drew.
We're doing it. We we got to do it.
We did it already. We're not getting off the train,
you think? Canard Canard is getting the
start at right tackle, playing Jordan Morgan at left guard.
Who gets the start at left guardIf if Morgan plays right tackle?

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Belton probably I I just don't know who else I would probably.
Say they're going to go Morgan Canard then.
Here's here's here's kind of where I'm at is like, I think
you need to pick something to bereally good at.
You got to pick something to be really good at.

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And like, you know, Kennard in pass bro is kind of a liability,
but he's pretty good at in the run game.
So if he's starting at right tackle and they got Jordan
Morgan left guard, you're you'reprobably leading into the run
game quite a bit. And then, you know, that makes
me nervous because Jordan Morganat left guard is not a good run

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blocker. Correct.
You know, he's he, he's a prettysolid pass blocker.
I really like him at at left tackle.
I don't really like him at left guard.
I like him better at left guard than at right guard.
I'll say that, though. I get it.
So yeah, Morgan at left guard and and Canard at at right
tackle is probably your best plan.

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But then that makes me nervous about about trying to attack
their their secondary if you know, Will Harris is out there.
Yeah, I think if Banks goes, I think Morgan does play.
I think they'd rather have that right, especially after what
Washington did do to the Giants pass rush wise.

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That's good, Daryl, as you should.
They had a they played great on Sunday.
Yeah, Daryl says for the audio only crowd.
He says I have a lot of confidence and Packers this
Thursday I my worry. The short week with how banged
up we are makes me nervous. Yes and the like straight up
This is why week 1 stinks and I hate it the like, Oh my gosh,
they're winning the Super Bowl like they're the Super Bowl

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favorites. They're the NFC favorites.
It's like, bro, we have not evenwe have barely just begun this
season. We don't need to we don't need
to go out of out of our gourd with a lot of this.
That's what makes the overreaction thing so
interesting. Like I, I wrote, I remember
writing last year a mock draft after overreaction.
I looked back at it, like half the stuff just didn't was

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untrue. And so like, again, I think
Green Bay is firmly entrenched in NFC contention.
I just worry that there's like aearly crowning and I don't want
to do that, especially, especially like JJ pointed out,
we're undermanned on the offensive line, which is just
not a place you want to be undermanned at.
So that's that's the deal you. Know what would really help

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would be if if Belton can play. Yeah.
OK, here's here's this tweet. Caleb Williams, Jake Hasharan
tweet says Caleb Williams all 22is more disheartening than I
expected it to be. It's like watching the 2024
Lions offense, except Jared Goffmakes the wrong decision every
single time. Tough, tough.
You hate to see that. You hate to see that.

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It's it's not just the missed reads, it's the late, it's the
late throw. It's correct.
It's he's staring down a guy don't who should already have
his the ball in his. Hands like I don't mind the
like, oh, he missed the doones way down the field and threw to
the check down and the check down got 9 yards.
It's like I don't I get it. I get you're trying to be like,
yes, he should be taking shots on the field.

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That's not really what I'm worried about.
I have no problem with him getting to the check down should
he desire. It's exactly it's the like way
late to a ball against the blitzthat a guy drills you on.
It's late seeing it, the seam and then kind of overthrowing
him to the field. Side and it's the complete like
for for a guy who thrives on broken plays.

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The guy has no pocket awareness at all.
He cannot feel the guy's scramble.
Mode. Too quickly, he takes off
running when there's not anybodythere, bails out a clean pocket,
and then doesn't leave. Whether they're not right,
whether they're there like he. He was elusive.
He made some guys miss on kind of that first second drive,
right. But as you said, like he was, he

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was trying to leave no matter the circumstance, no matter
what. Would happen and and how often
do you see him step up into the pocket when somebody is
screaming down that there's no way?
There's no subtle adjustment. There's no subtle.
Adjustment. It's either it's either I'm
going to run like Justin Fields and and then try and make a
Mahomes Rayola play or, or or a a shooter or a play.

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Right. Or it's I'm taking a stupid
sack. Yeah, credit to McCarthy for
making that slight maneuver on that touchdown to Jefferson,
right? Like could have scrambled.
McCarthy has fantastic pocket awareness.
That's he's been, he's been withthat.
Right, He could have scrambled, he could have run to the right.
There was tons of room. He said, no, I'm throwing this
like I, I love that that is a, that is a.

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He can stand in there and take ahit.
He can. Step up into the hand.
Into a good pocket, yes. Yeah, and that's why I think it
was kind of like, OK, we were talking about the QBs pre draft
and it's like, all right, what situation are you entering?
What are the best 3 situations right now of the six QBs?
Minnesota, Washington, Denver, in no order.

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Why are we surprised? Why are we surprised Who The Who
the best guys are? Why are we surprised?
I I think I'm already completelyand and I didn't like him as a
draft prospect, but I'm at this point I think I am completely
out on Caleb Williams turning into the answer long term for

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Chicago. The the things that I needed to
see from him as a college prospect.
I still have not seen after a whole year in the NFL and his
his, you know, a. Little bit that we saw so.
Far this year in training camp in Week 1, you know, when, when,

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when, when he has been out thereon the field.
I just don't see any signs of growth from him in the areas
where he needed to grow. He continues to get better at
the things he was already good at.
That didn't excite me. Yeah, we're in an hour and 42
minutes and we were supposed. To it's my fault.
It's my fault for bringing up the tweet.
I I acknowledge that's my bad. Such a good tweet though.

(01:42:47):
It's it's, that's my fault. I apologize.
Well, listen, we are going to get out of here and it is sad
and and I I know that you all are are you know, you're
accustomed to the five hour streams now at this point.
And and you know, we did that toyou and I apologize, apologize.

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We we are we are way over time. We are going to get out of here.
Thank you so much for showing upand and tuning in.
In the words of the late great Ed policy.
Our our founder. He's the founder of the 2025
Packers. Go, Pack, go.
Micah Parsons.

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