Micah Parsons to Green Bay Packers While We're Live Reacting to the 53-Man Roster?

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Welcome back everybody to derailed Jake shaving doing the
hosting tonight. I am here with my Co host as
always JJ Leahy. It is Oladapo season for him and
also we have Bruce coming in. JJ and Bruce do their annual,

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you know, 53 man roster battle. They try to pick, you know,
who's making the team, who isn'tright and and who gets the most
right, gets the bragging rights.So we've got a lot of that to
get to. However, we we have a report
that we're probably going to getto as well, right about, you
know, a certain pass rusher in Dallas and we'll probably talk

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about that. We'll have a lot to talk about
about the roster as well. But but I have to the reason I'm
introlling tonight it's because JJ has to go on a rant.
We must do this to start the show because a certain player
for Green Bay was extended and so I I have to see the floor to
JJ Matt Orszak gets a three-yearextension.

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JJ, the floor is yours, my friend.
The floor is yours. I don't want it.
I don't want the floor. I don't want any of this.
Look, three-year extension, three more years of my hell, All
right? I mean, like, thank God for
Daniel Whelan, right? For bailing the now the third

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highest paid long snapper in theNFL out yet again.
Yeah, too old for this, Says Daniel Whelan better be next in
line. Absolutely.
He should be. Daniel Whelan is easily the most
underpaid punter in the league, not only because he's a
fantastic punter, but also he's making up for Matt Ozempic and

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is just he's not a long snapper.I'm going to start calling him a
lump snapper. He's just a lump.
It's it's it's it's mediocrity on special teams.
I just got to say thank goodnessthat we.
Got that picture? Thank goodness we only need a
kicker and a punter on special teams.

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Those are the only positions that matter because.
Goody. Cut the rest of the special
teams unit today and extended our lump snapper for three more
years. So I don't know.
I'm I'm trying to like find it in myself to stay mad, but like
I I the the realization that I get I'm staring down the barrel

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at three more years of this. It's just, it's just too much to
bear. So I I need a good derailed
tonight. Yeah, it's, it's four more
years. It's it's 2025 24927 2020 eight.
Oh my gosh, yeah. I thought you were going to rant

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about Taylor Swift and Kelsey getting engaged on National Cut
Day. We should put that in the title
probably it would be good for the algorithm we did.
It would be very good for the algorithm.
So anything we've got a lot of third highest paid long snapper.

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I mean the, well, the fact that 4.8 mil over three years makes
you the highest paid long snapper in the league.
It kind of. Explains something.
What would I say? 4th Third Yeah, third highest.
Yeah, 4.8 million year, $1,000,000 feels like 4.8
million years across three years.

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Like the fact that that's the third highest paid long snapper,
that tells you something. That tells you the NFL does not
give a crap about long snapper. And when you view it through
that lens. It makes perfect sense that
Goody doesn't give a crap about long snapper.
All right, here's what I think. I think that Orzek shows up to
work every day on time and has not filed any complaints against

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anybody. I think that that is is the
beginning and end of it. All right?
And I think that the last coupleguys that we had got on Goody's
nerves somehow and he's just glad for a lunch pail guy who's
just not going to cause any drama.
He doesn't care about the fact that the guy's no good at his
job. Off field locker room drama.
There's there's some on field drama I would say.

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OK. But again.
Goody closes his eyes. When?
When special teams goes out there, Goody turns and starts
talking to the guy. Next to him.
He's like, can I play devil's advocate for him?
That was a really good that was a really good drive.
Let's let's talk about and Brucewelcome in, of course.
Yeah, Let me thank you. Thank you guys for having me.
It's nice. I always enjoy you guys quite a

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bit. To play a little bit of devil's
devil's advocate, we are talkingabout Wheeling and we're talking
about Carlson and them being so clutch.
A lot of it has to do with the dynamic between them, right?
I mean, obviously there's some sort of chemistry well enough
that you don't want to mess withbecause if on the back end of
the long snapper, regardless of what's happening in front, the

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execution on the back and we're not seeing botched, you know,
anything on the back end. So that must be enough to where
Carlson and Whelan probably not necessarily had say, but at
least came into the decision of This is why we're keeping him
because it's a smooth operation,at least in that sense.
I mean Carlson's been or making Carlson Jesus height man that
that. I was going to say you got you

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got Carlson on the brain. He was saying that when he came
into of, like he said he was multitasking, putting Carlson
on. There it's been just non-stop
Carlson, but so McManus and and Whelan and how much of that
played into that decision? I agree with you.
I there's probably better options out there, but again,
chemistry team chemistry's more than likely the reason why they

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just let's just not mess with this thing.
Well, I'll just say that after seeing some of the crazy errant
snaps that Daniel Whelan has snagged out of the air, I kind
of want to try him out wide receiver or or punt returner or
something like that. That dude has some hands.
I am really impressed some of the some of the crazy errant

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snaps that he has just snagged that absolutely should not have
happened. So all I all I, all I can say is
I hope that we have a nice juicyextension lined up for Daniel
Whalen, the Irish leg because the the Irish hammer, because,
because he deserves it, every penny of it.
Yeah, 100%. The real story of the day is

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that Brucey is here to accept his defeat.
Let's let's yet again, let's go here first, since there's three
messages in the chat about this and I've already got it up.
Just just just because. OK.
Now, this is not the original. You you know that, right?

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Jake? This is, I know this this went
up 45 minutes after the original.
Yes. So Ricky is not the source here.
The mask has slipped for Mr. Ricky.
Yes, he's he's now copying Reddit.
Yeah. So here's the thing.
And Dershel's already, he was inhere before we started saying

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the stream's going to hit like pink lemonade redacted energy
when Parsons gets traded to Green Bay Live tonight.
Yeah, I listen, this is for entertainment purposes, right?
This isn't like, oh, you know, we're getting on board with this
report or anything, but a lot ofpeople are talking about it,
right? A lot of people are talking
about it from from from from Twitter to everything app too

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old for this. The Derschel like all of this
talking about Musgrave, you know, in the trade package,
blah, blah, blah, all that. I I want to get Bruce's take
because we haven't you know, JJ,you and I have obviously we've
talked a little bit about Parsons and and I got into a,
you know, a good, I think a healthy exchange on Twitter,
which you don't you get to see very often nowadays about

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Parsons potentially being added to this team.
If it were actually a thing, which again, I think someone,
someone said it on a pod this week.
Maybe it was Nate Tice who goes the ultimate Jerry Jones move is
signing Parsons to that deal Thursday night, releasing it
Thursday, releasing it Thursday night to mess with the Eagles
banner ceremony like it. And I've heard and that that is

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the probably the most accurate thing prediction wise, we'll see
all season unless you pick the Super Bowl champ, of course.
So, yeah, Bruce, any thoughts onon, you know, would you would
you like this to happen? Right?
Because obviously this is a lot of picks going over and and a
lot of money being shelled out. Yeah, I've in in my fandom with

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the Packers. There's two things.
Yes, I would be extremely excited if he came to the
Packers. Also, I believe that Gary is
very underrated in terms of and what are we going to give up for
him? I don't think that's he's that
one piece away like a Charles Woodson or a Reggie White that
would come to the team to changethis.
I think there's a lot of Gary that I see and what this half.

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Let's give halfway another year,First off, right, Like, let's
let him have his players. And not that Micah Parsons is
not a game changer, a game wrecker, but I think that Gary's
really underrated. And when you really start
looking at how you want to evaluate a player in terms of
look, PFF, grades, whatever, allthat type of stuff.

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But people like to see flashy stats, They like to see sacks,
and that's what sticks out because mass media does that.
But when you start looking at getting a player off of this
spot, yeah, maybe a stack is more impactful in the sense of
it. It's going to get you a loss of
yardage towards the next down. But a hurry and pressures and

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the things that Gary and our guys aren't necessarily getting
home. But I think we would have to
give up a guy like Gary or a younger guy like Van Ness, which
I don't want to do. I'd rather have the ceiling in
the younger player in Van Ness over my quite honestly.
So I'd be excited if he came. I think it would it would be a
huge addition to this team. I don't think it moves the

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needle so much to where all of asudden we're A 100% Super Bowl
contender because one player does not make the entire team.
I mean, you look at the amount of injuries in the rotational
players. The last time we won a Super
Bowl, we were rotating 8 defensive players, right?
I, I mean, that's part of it, yes.
Great to have him on there. I would not give up the capital

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and I like the way I like the MO.
I like the Packers MO of building through the draft,
paying our own guys. They always get criticized for
not bringing in these huge free agents, which they have between
McKinney and now Hobbs and Jacobs and things like that.
But ultimately we pay our own guys.
When we forget that, that's justlike bringing in a guy from out
on the street to improve this team.

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And I like the fact that we develop inside.
You keep who you have, so be excited.
I would not. I'd probably be going at the
compensation that it would require.
JJ, anything else? Obviously, we've kind of talked
about it, but has any of your thoughts changed as far as,
like, you know, compensation, what you give up, how he fits?

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Yeah, The biggest problem with that that I have is that he
doesn't have a contract. And so however much you have to
give up to pry him away from Dallas, you then also have to go
pay him basically free agency price.

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It's an exorbitant amount. Yeah, it's $45,000,000 a year is
the the Reddit rumor. And honestly, like whatever, I'm
not, I'm not even going to overthink like what the dollar
amount would be. Let's just say that it is
45,000,000 a year. It's probably going to be more
than Watts since he's younger and Watts at 41.
So I do imagine. So 4045 sounds super plausible.

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Let's say it's that. So you know, Dallas is going to
want more than a first round pick to go have the honor of
being the team to essentially just pay free market price for
it. It just doesn't make any sense
from a from a financial standpoint.
You know, you're you're at that point, like you, you really need

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to be one piece away from like ano doubt about it, hardcore
Super Bowl run. And, like, frankly, what we're
going to go add Micah Parsons tothis pass rush and then trot out
McDonald's employees at cornerback on the same defense?

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Like, yeah. You're.
Start playing Jerry's game of why did he not lock him up last
year when he had a chance and Micah was willing to talk?
And he did this with Amari, he did this with Ezekiel.
He does this with all these guysand waits a year too long
because he wants to be the guy in charge and keeps overpaying
guys. And he literally, when he was
defending himself with Micah. I mean, Jerry goes out there and

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basically says that he hasn't for this year, play him at 20,
whatever, $1,000,000 and then franchise him twice so he'll
have him for three years becauseit would be a $37 million tag
versus paying him 45. That's his way of thinking.
I would not want to mess with bringing that type of mentality
of let's wait until these dudes as expensive as possible before

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we bring him in. The other thing, too, is, you
know, when we're talking about Michael Parsons or like we were
talking about Trey Hendrickson for a long time, OK, the Bengals
are keeping Trey Hendrickson. So do you think that the Bengals
are winning the Super Bowl if the Cowboys come to terms with
Michael Parsons? You think like that the Cowboys
are winning the Super Bowl this year?

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Like, you have to have an elite roster all over the place.
Yeah. And you know, Dallas doesn't
quite have that since he certainly doesn't have that.
I would say we don't have that. You know, there there's
certainly a path for us to be a dominant team and make a Super
Bowl push for sure. But we're not the kind of roster
where, you know, I, I, I think if you, if you look at, you

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know, maybe the Detroit Lions oror the San Francisco or or the
Rams, like these are teams that probably are maybe just like a
Micah Parsons or a Trey Hendrickson away from feeling
like the NFC favorite to represent the conference in the
Super Bowl, Add Micah to Green Bait.
Do you think it makes us that ordoes it just just kind?

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Of put us on the same. Sort of tier as where the Eagles
and the Rams and the Lions are right now.
Yeah, I, I think that's a fascinating discussion because I
think it it I do think it highlights like one, as you
mentioned, JJ, right. Green Bay's trotting out a less
than ideal corner room right now.
I think there are questions still on the interior of the

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offensive line. Why are they going to get
Canard? You know, what what's what's up
with banks? What, what are we doing?
Like, there's a lot with this right now of like it just
doesn't. And again, I don't want to, you
know, pour cold water on the season before it's even begun,
right? But it just does kind of feel
like Green Bay kind of lacks that like extra punch or two at

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certain spots that are going to get them where where everybody
wants to go. And that makes it difficult.
Now the the the argument to doing it right is a you have a
better chance of getting home with four than you did
yesterday. But as I've kind of talked about

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with Parsons, does he fit exactly what you want on early
downs with the four three where Green Bay, you know, you can be
mad about the pressure percentages from Gary and Van
Ness. Problem is, is there no matter
what nose tackle, elite nose tackle or not, they're setting

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the edge first in a league that Detroit, LA right like they're
under center. This is under center play
action. The the, the, the presenting the
idea of run or pass puts you as as there was a great discussion
on NFL live either a year or twoago talking about like when

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you're playing defensive end, you have to commit first under
center against the run. Is Parsons a good run defender
where he's going to be aligned? For me, it's a no.
Is he going to change the calculus on 3rd down?
Yes, of course. But isn't Edrin Cooper doing
that? Isn't Koi Walker doing that

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because of what Hafly's dialing up?
Isn't that why they added Colin Oliver?
Isn't that why they brought in Sorrell?
Right. So there is some of that were
like Green Bay's trying to, it seems, put together a more
diverse room than they've had inrecent years.
Heavier. Heavier in some respects, but
also even lighter if Colin Oliver's like, which we're I

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think we're going to get to because we we're going to talk
about the linebackers. But like, if Colin Oliver's
playing pass rusher like this isthe lightest guy they've drafted
since Clay forever. Yeah, perhaps.
Like, I got to go back and remember, but it's been a while.
So yeah, there could be a lot ofcalculus changed here with with
how Hafley said no, I want thesetype of guys in the room.

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We've got our guys from early downs.
We know Gary's a force. We know Van Ness can defend the
run, right. We hope he takes a step and
we'll see what this ragtag group, especially with Cooper's
of Blitzer, especially what Walker can do coming downhill
like all of this stuff to reallywreak havoc.
Can they rebuild him in the aggregate?
What you're going to get from a Parsons, it's not out of the

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realm of possibility. Here's a here's a a question for
you that'll kind of put this to bed, at least put it to bed in
my mind as you guys were talkingthrough this.
How good have the Cowboys been at stopping the run or has that
been their Achilles heel with Micah in there and the MO for us
when we beat them in the playoffgame for the Eagles constantly

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beating up on them or every single team, they've never had a
gun run defense. So regardless of what you're
talking about in terms of what Micah brings from a third down
pass rush, that doesn't win championships.
I mean, honestly, you have to have a very strong run defense
to be able to win in the playoffs because that's what
happens. I mean, regular season, yeah,
you can get away with it. But when you've got the Eagles

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are a perfect example of this over the last four or five years
where they're going to pound therock and they're going to be and
they'll go to, they'll run it three times because they have
that 4th and 1/4 and short that they're going to run it again.
And. You need to stop that, and I
think the Packers have. We played the Eagles really well
both times outside of a terriblefield in Brazil, which was

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really not a good barometer. And you know, we lost players
really early in that game to kind of change the dynamic of
it. But we, our defense and our team
stacked up well against the Eagles, who are a run first
team. The Cowboys put Micah Parsons on
there and you still have the same type of run defense.
Sure, if we can get them in 3rd and long, then he starts

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wreaking havoc. But those first two downs are
critical to get people off. So I that's, that's where I
where I am with bringing him in.Yeah, I, I, I think everybody
should go watch the game. Watson went nuts.
You know, 22 of like, wow, he's arrived.
Because at the same time, what were they doing?
They ran up Micah a lot in that game, guys.

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They branded him a lot. OK.
So I, I think, yeah, I, I, I think if Green Bay doesn't get
what they want out of Van Ness, right, I think it's totally fair
to go let's try to find a Jared verse, right?
Let's go try to find that playergoing forward, right?
Because he's still going to provide like again, this is a
horrible example because I thinkhe's an outlier in this regard

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because he's super light, but like a Will Anderson who clearly
buys into defending the run and it's a great pass rusher.
Like you got to go find a playerlike that who's going to fit the
four three. I personally a lot better
because I think Parsons, where he would affect the run the most
is if you're in base, right, If you're in base and he's the Sam
backer on early downs, that's fine.
We can get away with that. But if they're going to, if

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teams are going to like the Ramswith puka, right, where they're
essentially in a, in a, the realized version of 11 1/2
personnel, right, Detroit getting there with Isaac Tesla,
perhaps very, very soon, right? A similar, similar type of
thing. If, if teams are going to get
into that right now, it gets really interesting of how we can

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spread you out here. We can bring guys in, you know,
do all this stuff to to kind of defeat what you have out there
in base. It gets a little trickier to be
like, all right, Parsons is playing here, right?
It's not it's not going to be that it's Parsons going to be
doing this on early downs. We got the, you know, three.
We got 4, three out there with, you know, in base and then on
nickel downs. We're going to have him out

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there. But like what, you know, are we
going to have him be out wider? Are we going to have to have,
you know, we're going to have toflip the line when guys are, you
know, adjusting formation, like all this stuff like that.
You, you have to kind of, I think go through a little bit
more of like, how can we hide him from the Lions, right?
Like, imagine, imagine him linedup against Sewell.

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Like, how are you feeling at this juncture when Sewell's on
the other side going, yeah, no help, help, help like.
And then that's the other part of this.
They have to drop into the box, right?
This is an extra safety coming into the box.
Oh, no. Jameson Williams and Amin Ross
St. Brown are on the field as well.
And so now they've. Got you going to coverage, Yeah.

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It's, it's it, it gets, it gets,you know, it gets kind of crazy
projecting all this. So it's, you know, it's, it's a
really complex, you know, solution if this was going to
happen, which I think we all agree, it's not going to right.
Even if Green Bay has the offer on the table, I do think Jerry
Jones is going to get this done.And I would definitely be

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piggybacking on Tice, who said next Thursday is probably what
it's going to happen. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I to me, the biggest question is whether the Cowboys
get this deal done the day before their first game or if
it's a Chris Jones 2023 situation where they have to

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play Week 1 without him and it'sit's a disaster.
And so then they cave and, you know, give him all the money
he's asking for, you know, two days after the game and he's
active for week for Game 2 like that.
To me that that's the biggest question for sure.

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Brian Maffey is is referencing here in the chat the fact that
there is a Twitter rumor that the Packers are signing Clayton
Tune to the practice squad. Now maybe take it like with a
tiny grain of salt because you can't sign guys to the practice
squad yet, but the the conversation may very well have

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happened. So thoughts on adding Clayton
tune over Taylor El Gersma? And I think tune is tune was a
guy that I liked as a draft, youknow, late round draft prospect
a couple years ago. Jake, what were your thoughts on
him? No comment.

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Would you rather have have the the Canadian kid?
Yeah. Yeah.
To be QB three, yes. Now, now if tomorrow, if you're
like, well Willis is on the teamright next year that would and
Tune's like, oh, you're going toput Tune at QB 2.
No, I would be. I'd be going after somebody in
the draft again, so. Agree.

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All right, Should we get to the main event of the the 53 round
roster? I think we should.
All right, all right. So for for those of you who who
don't know, let's be real, everybody knows we are here.
The main event. We're going to talk.
About the the 2025 roster, the Green Bay Packers we're.

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Going to talk about. Where Bruce and I differed in
our 53 and what the actual endedup being and you guys were here
last week and Jake and I put together kind of what we
thought, what we thought the 53 might shake out to be ended up
being pretty darn close. Obviously the biggest issue with
everything was there were so many injured guys this year that

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it was just really rough to try and figure out, hey, where does
this guy go? Where does this guy go?
How do all these these injuries get slotted in here?
And like, you look at wide receiver alone, like half the
guys are hurt right now. And so, you know, as people were

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even just trying to decide like,hey, keep Malik Keith or not,
it's like, well, who's going to play Week 1?
You kind of want to keep the bill for Week 1.
Ryan says the 52 roster for a week or two.
Yeah, if that. I mean, you know, there's
certainly some thought about maybe a guy like Zayn Anderson
is going on IR right away. A lot of people are talking

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about Baron Sorel. I don't think Baron Sorel is
going on. IRI think Baron Sorel is going
to be ready to play by like weektwo or three.
Feels about right to me. And you know, hey, maybe they
will go ahead and stash him on IR and then re sign Aaron Mosby
like that. That to me feels like maybe the

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play that's waiting to happen. Aaron Mosby is the guy who is
going to slip through the the waiver period in all likelihood
and. You know he.
Played a ton of snaps for us last year, especially on special
teams. I think he's a guy the Packers
would like to get back. You know if he doesn't end up
wanting to sign on the practice squad.

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I I I I would still think that there's a decent chance he ends
up back on the 53 at some point this season.
The Packers like him a lot. So looking at the at this, this
in front of you is the roster. So a couple surprises.
One would be that Omar Brown is on IR, his season is over.

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He's not coming back until 2026.Very injury settlement maybe,
right? I mean, there might be an injury
settlement or something like that, but at this point it's
yeah, done. Sure, it's possible.
Yeah, Technical, technically possible.
Unlikely that's going to happen.So Jacob Monk went on.
IRI was, you know, disappointed.I was kind of hoping we just cut

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him out, right? But Nope, we are designating him
to return. So we're going to be graced with
Jacob Monk again, hopefully onlyat center.
I I can stomach him at center, can't stomach him at guard.
So other than that, I I think that maybe the point that
surprised the most people was Michael Robinson making the

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roster. And there were a couple of Micah
Robinson truthers out there who a really liked what he did in
the third pre season game or B just really actually did like
him as a draft prospect. And I thought maybe we should
get into some like a Robinson talk and talk about maybe do we

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see him playing some slot for usat some point?
Because if you look at what he'sactually good at, you know, he
didn't really play a lot of slotin college, but he kind of
excels as a run defending corner.
He is pretty stiff, very speedy.Goody says that he has great

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ball instincts. You know, Goody thinks he's, you
know, absolutely going to be a stud.
But like to me, this is just sounding like a like a slot
corner like you, you are really stout against the run.
You're small, very speedy. What's not to love about that as
a slot corner? So I'm I'm interested in giving

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him a shot there. You know, I've certainly not
made any bones about the fact that I think that this
cornerback room is really atrocious and just not good
enough if we are actually chasing a Super Bowl this
season. But.
The roster after switching, that's how dire the situation is
in that room, to be honest with you.

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And like, you know, no disrespect to Beau, like he's
worked his butt off and I think he's looked decent out there at
corner. But like the fact of the matter
is like, I think that he is probably a better cornerback
today than Keyshawn Nixon is, which is which is not something
that you want to be something you could say.

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I I I think he right now, he's probably our third best corner.
Kamal hadn't made the roster, and I wondered if he would cause
Goody has never missed an opportunity to praise Kamal
Haddon, you know, just through and through really likes the
kid. I thought he looked terrible in
the preseason, but that's neither here nor there.

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Like, you know, we're, we're nothere to say, hey, based on how
you play in the preseason, that tells us whether you're going to
be good in the Ifo or not. Like we know that's not true.
So I'm choosing to not overreacttoo much to what we saw in those
pre season games. They they tend not to be
predictive. You know, the coaches can get
some answers about you by putting you in some certain

(31:20):
situations and seeing how you respond to them, but they are
not predictive. So Jake, any thoughts for you
about Micah or the cornerback room or just roster surprises
here? Yeah, I was going to say one
thing. Yeah, that that wide left on
Subsect did an awesome, awesome thing about pre season being
predictive or not right. And it's just it's all over the

(31:41):
place. You know, there there there are
for every Victor Cruz, right, there's a Kenny Pickett right,
who dominates in the preseason and goes yeah, this way.
And we just and you see it rightwhere it's just like they don't
have it. And there's there's a theory out
there that once guys get onto the practice field and they
start going through training camp, like teams can kind of see

(32:02):
it a little bit where like the non projects, right?
Like the, the Van Ness thing, I think is a little different
than, you know, 2324 year old rookies coming in, right?
Or, or guys that have been perceived stars coming in where
it's kind of like, oh, like you,you don't have it right now
versus like, Oh yeah, he's got it.
Like I, I, I don't want to, I want to get ahead of ourselves.

(32:24):
But it feels like Golden is one of those guys at the moment
where it's like, Oh no, where he's got he's got at least
something right, Where it, it doesn't mean he's going to be,
you know, I'm not saying he's gonna put up BTJ numbers or puka
numbers in year 1 or anything like that.
But I think it's very clear you can kind of see like, OK, he has
already kind of lifted sort of either the floor and also the

(32:48):
competition in the receive room and kind of put everybody on
notice a little bit so. Can I super fan on that comment
real quick because I've been trying to kind of temper
expectations, but with the injuries to the rest of the
room, which we've mentioned earlier, who else?
I mean, read, OK, probably goingto be available, right, maybe or

(33:13):
not. So like all of it, it's just
it's going to be Wicks Heath Jobs probably, but he's got a
back thing going. I don't if the chemistry between
Jordan Love and Golden and with what we've seen, I don't see how
he might not be able to put up those types of numbers is a

(33:35):
rookie just because and, and again, I'm trying to temper
expectations, but he does look different on the field than
anything we've had in a while. And I'm not saying he's Devante
or anything like that. And look, everybody wanted to
cut Devante after the first two years, right?
I mean, it's not about that. But in terms of the room and
what we have there and who mightdemand the most targets, I think

(33:57):
there is an opportunity for Golden to genuinely contribute
to this team as a rookie where you're talking about close to
1000 yards, maybe 8 or 9 touchdowns because we're still
going to spread the ball around and hopefully rely on the run
early. But I I just, I'm, I'm really
trying to man. I understand, I get it.

(34:19):
You just you just wanted to takeoff.
I understand and and I guess I should have clarified, maybe a
raw counting perspective. He might not get to where those
guys got just because Green Bay's I think more balanced than
those teams were last season, right?
BT JS on a team that they're trotting out Mac Jones and and
they're trending towards the topfive pick right at the end of
the season where it's like, Nah,they're just we're we're just

(34:41):
throwing over Green Bay's kind of like, no, we're established.
We have Jacobs, we have Kraft, like we have guys in that room
now Golden from a per route basis could certainly be up
there where he's hitting the youknow, the the coveted 2 yards
per route run. He's hitting the unbelievable 2
1/2 yards per route run in in inin year 1.
Like he could do that. Yeah, but I don't know if he's
going to get like the raw counting.

(35:02):
But yeah, I guess, yeah, important clarification because,
yeah, as you said, Bruce, he kind of it's kind of hard to be
like, well, where where are the targets going?
Like obviously Jacobs is, is is good in that area.
We, I think we all probably expect craft to be a a bigger
focal point based on the tight ends that that are on the the
roster. Right.
You got to a few guys who it seems like at this point because

(35:23):
they kept Fitzpatrick, who can, like attach to the line and also
let, you know, give Kraft some freedom to work over the middle
of the fields and up the seam and all that.
So, yeah, I, I excited about Golden.
JJ, to your point about the corner room, yeah, I mean,
Michael Robinson, the first thing to point out, 510 and 7

(35:43):
eighths, 183, right? What is Green Bay seeing?
Probably when they have a playerof that stature slot corner most
likely, especially, especially if he buys in as a tackler,
right, Which by all accounts andand what we've seen that is
happening and and when you're hunting for the ball, and that's
something you did really well, Tulane as well, was when you get

(36:05):
into that spot drop when you're covering grass, he's watching
the QB, right? He's not, he's not like, oh, you
know, where am I going? Where's all the people?
He's like, no, my eyes are gluedto the QB and I'm going to break
on the football when the QB starts to make his move.
And so that's where he was making his big plays.
Yeah, I don't think that's impossible, right?
He has the speed on top of it. So I, I do think you know that

(36:28):
that is, that is probably what they're thinking, right,
Especially if they're just completely out on Bullard doing
any of that, which it kind of seems like they are.
I don't know why, because I think it would be nice to see
him get reps on the field and see if, you know, there's we can
see improvement. But maybe they've maybe they're
kind of in that mode of like, wejust hope he's a depth piece,

(36:49):
right? And you're kind of they're not
mailing it in, but they're kind of like already seeing like,
yeah, Evan Williams is doing things.
We saw some more from Oladapo, you know, at the season's end
last year in the Chicago game. And we're like moving forward
thinking, OK, he's going to playsafety.
You know, we we think that his best stuff is there.
That's that's totally fine. But yeah, I I do think you see
how many people were shocked that Oladapo made the roster.

(37:13):
I didn't. I didn't, but that seems strange
considering like I like, I get it right?
Oh, he's day three pick. So once we're we're a year in,
we're out the window. If the, if the, you know, the
second round day 2 picks aren't doing well, teams can cut bait,
right? Green Bay doesn't often do it.

(37:33):
They like their draft picks, they like them hang around for a
little while, but I mean, at some point they're, you know,
they're they're going to push guys in front of others on the
depth chart, right? We're just seeing too much blah,
blah, blah, all that stuff. So, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know why that thatwas a shock.
At all? And who would you put on there
as opposed to putting him on theroster as well?

(37:54):
What options were there? I have no idea because I
truthfully, if if we're a safetyinjury in I want him playing at
this juncture because I think I think our the consensus thought
for the most part is like Bullard should be playing
nickel. So I feel like I'd rather have
him back there. Consensus if someone goes down,

(38:15):
not among Packers front office and coaches who all still say
that they see him as a safety. Yeah, yeah.
So. There, there was, there were
people talking on social media about wanting Omar Brown to make
the roster over Oladapo. And I just, I, I saw that I'm

(38:40):
like, OK, you guys clearly just have not watched Oladapo play at
all. That's just there's no other
explanation. It's just that you don't you,
you have not watched him play. You don't recall any plays where
he was out there. And so you go, oh, you know, day
three pick who I haven't seen anything from.
So therefore, you know, I'm bored, ready to cut bait.

(39:01):
And Omar Brown had some cool interceptions.
Yeah. To me, Oladapo is like clearly
safety 3 in this in this roster.Yeah, I saw this picture that
you got here of Micah Robinson and I say what I was just going
to say cool stuff. All these guys that you know,

(39:22):
it's easy for us to just sit here and talk about them, right?
But I think for I think for Micah very clearly and for so
many others around the league, like making a team is a huge
deal whether you're picked or not, and especially for day
three picks, right, because you never know UDFAS, as we have
talked about, you know, they they pop up all the time, so
many make rosters. So it's really cool for guys,

(39:44):
you know, that are very appreciative of it.
And like Mike is definitely one of them.
Sama Lee Keith's 1 today as wellof like year three of doing this
like it. That's really cool stuff.
So fun fact, 21 straight years of a UDFA making a Packers
roster. Yeah, the the it's huge.
Yeah. So we we we've had to adjust it

(40:05):
so that it's now the week 1 roster.
Week 1 roster is what is, is what we have the 21 year streak
of OK, which based on super coolwhere we're going to get to with
some guy. Yeah, with, with the guy, I
think, can't imagine that's going to be changing.
Well, and I, I. Saw I saw that picture.
Oh, put the picture back up. Oh, OK, so I saw this picture

(40:27):
and it's cool, but you know, I, I, I'm not really down with the
controversy. You know, he's got the God's
child in the cross thing on his face.
Like that's Emmanuel Wilson's whole thing.
Like he posts that all the time.It's true.
Like, Micah, I don't appreciate you horning in on Emmanuel
Wilson's brand. Like, I, you know, love that you

(40:47):
love God, but like you got to get your own brand because
Emmanuel might sue and that would just be bad for the locker
room. All right, you, you got to, you
got to find your own original way to express yourself.
Maybe he converted him, JJ. Maybe he converted him.
Oh, is he and Emmanuel Wilson like like disciple?

(41:08):
Maybe I, I, you might don't knowand he will have to disciple.
We'll have to ask him. This is very interesting.
You know, I, I, you know what? I appreciate many are calling
Emmanuel Wilson the new Paul. Oh, yeah.
In other controversial statements, Brian Maffe says

(41:31):
Nausea Stackhouse. See, look at I got his name
right that time. I had to try twice, but Nausea
Stackhouse will only last a few weeks.
Dare you. Blasphemous.
How dirty. Blasphemous.
Yeah. 100% can't believe. Can't believe the Stackhouse
hate has been interesting. You know, I mean, obviously we
like we toss around the word hate kind of casual, but like

(41:53):
it's been interesting to me, like just the way that like
Stackhouse, you know, gets signed as UDFA.
There's like an instant a flurryof excitement around him and and
a thinking that, hey, he was a better prospect than Warren
Brinson then kind of all summer.Stackhouse is turning heads,

(42:18):
looks really good in all the practices.
Then Warren Brinson plays his butt off in these pre season
games. Looks really good.
A lot of people start saying, hey, Warren Brinson is playing
better in these pre season gamesthan Nas your Stackhouse is.
And then all of a sudden we start seeing like kind of a
reaction the other way, like a blowback to the Stackhouse hype

(42:41):
of like hey, let's pump the brakes man.
Like he's not that good. Like, I get it, you know, he's.
You know, we're not saying that he's about to replace Kenny,
although maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
But like, for what you're seeingfrom an undrafted rookie, I
don't know how you can't get excited about what he's going to

(43:01):
be next year and in Year 3. Like he he looks like he's a
real player, like a real NFL player who might end up really
playing real minutes for us thisyear.
And I'm I'm here for that. This is this is a defensive
tackle room that sorely needs some help.
And he's kind of the only answerthat they have at nose tackle.

(43:25):
Like, are you going to play Colby Wooden there?
You're probably going to have toif Stackhouse is unavailable.
Like who? Who else are you going to put?
In there, not Warren Brinson. We got to put this guy in the
hyperbolic time Chamber. That was a lot of the decision
making that I had JJ when I was trying to decide who to put on
there or not. A lot of it has to do with our

(43:45):
team from let's say 1st and 2nd on the paper.
Depth chart are really solid man, but it takes an entire team
and when you start digging into what they're trying to do as a
team with the rotational players, Stackhouse makes sense.
Once again, we're going to go back to the defensive side of of

(44:06):
the ball and talking about run defense and bringing in these
big bodies. And I think that was really kind
of where Stackhouse is going to make his hay for that exact
reason. You said nose tackle in a 3-4.
You need somebody like him and he showed enough, I think to
deserve that spot on the roster.Brinson, I, I, I don't know.

(44:29):
It never even crossed my mind inthe sense of over Stackhouse, if
that makes sense. Oh no.
Brian Brian says there's just noneed for Stackhouse this season,
which. He also OK Brian, look, I'm
going to call you out because you also don't like Jordan Love

(44:50):
yet, so I'm not sure about your fandom.
Brian doesn't like Jordan Love, yet I missed that note.
I missed that note. Which is interesting because I
feel like I listen to Brian all the time now.
We have to. Give him a little Brian, Mafi
confirmed Jordan Lovehater, which might be a good Brian is

(45:11):
name with the Sean Clifford Bros.
Easy. It's possible.
But confirmed Jordan Lovehater might be a great name for Bruce
to have to change his social media profile too for the next
moment. No, no, I don't know.
Yeah. Oh, you.
Jake, did you hear about this? No, pick a lot, I get to pick.

(45:31):
No, I get to pick Jake's. Jake's display name for the.
Or I mean Bruce's. Display name for the next month.
Hold on. I think I think I think you got
to go with your brand. You got a player in your
description. You know that's what I'm saying,
Odapo, Odapo, that's what I'm saying.
But but. Do a play on words.
You know, like be creative. At least like me.

(45:53):
Well, here's here's the ones that here's the ideas I've had
so far. Oh gosh, love is not to you.
He did it. Brian, is that your stance or is
it Bruce's new name? Because I feel like that's your
stance and that's heartbreaking.12 of this says Brian doesn't
get to celebrate the Super Bowl we are winning in February.

(46:16):
Oh, no, Jake, I'm going to run my my names past you that I've
come up with for Bruce so far, and I want, I want you to weigh
in so. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Cheers. Really.
OK, go ahead. Jake, on the Brinson Stackhouse
thing, I feel like 1 because everybody's going back and

(46:38):
forth. We're so starved for football
that we can't help but react to like every little thing that's
going on. Totally understand that we're
having a great time talking about guys like Tori Horton and
others, you know, in the preseason, which love that
Trayvon Henderson, my goodness. But like I think 1, even if he's
a good, not great run defender, we could use that.

(47:01):
I promise you, I promise we can use that, especially if a
certain player is potentially coming over here because now I'm
seeing it all over the timeline right now.
So that's, you know that whatever, whatever you know.
Well, here's what happening. Over here that I anyway it would
it would certainly be helpful. Andy Herman has also said that

(47:22):
now. So there's a lot going on in
terms of the Parsons front. But either way, the the way this
needs to be set up with, with, you know, in theory, 4 guys, you
know, with the hand in the dirt,5 on the line, you know, when
you're in base, you want to stopthe run, right?
And, and Bruce brought it up about like the Philly being able
to go on 4 downs, Jane Daniels. Don't forget about the Bills and

(47:44):
Ravens, two teams you could be playing in February if you get
that far. Like they will be all in on
doing everything possible if they so desire, especially
especially those other two, right?
They'll they say, you know what,like Derrick Henry, we'll give
it to him 30 times. We're not scared right type of
thing. And and Josh Allen and company
like Joe Brady came in and he said, no, we're we're to run.

(48:08):
And like James Cook pops off RayDavis is in the backfield as
well and and Alan can run himself.
So I, I think they have to have as much as they can in that
room. Nothing against Kobe Wooden.
I just don't think he should be playing there.
Kenny Clark, I think you can getaway with it a little bit.
I would I would hope that the linebacker play can kind of help
clean that up, which I think could get there, but I'm not

(48:30):
sold right off the bat. So I think that gives you a guy
like Brooks, who I think we would agree does a nice job one
on ones. Are you asking him to take
double SI? Don't think so personally.
We know why It's the pass rusher.
That's why again, Brinson, I think probably better off lining
up at the three tech, right, Youknow, in terms of this scheme.
And so you have one guy right now and I would, I would like to

(48:51):
have him, but on this roster. And I think that's where it's
like, who's better, Brinson or Stackhouse?
Like, well, they kind of don't play the same position.
They don't play the same position.
It's kind of like, all right, ifyou're gonna ask the question,
be like, well, is Brinson a better pass for sure than
Stackhouse as a run defender? Which again, even then I'm not
as concerned about the answer cuz it's like, and as Bruce
brought up earlier, you know, wewere talking about the Parson

(49:13):
stuff. It's like you, you need a, a, a
good room that can rotate in, get meaningful snaps and, and do
the job they're supposed to. And I think Stackhouse making
this roster is kind of proof of like, hey, yeah, we had Slayton
and I know he wasn't everyone's favorite guy, but he did
something clean up some of the did some of that dirty work,
right, playing nose tackle. And it's like you kind of need

(49:35):
that with where we're at right now.
Little bit of a BJ Raji kind of feeling, right?
Like the Packers, don't forget in that front office when they
won a Super Bowl and what they did on that defensive lining.
What's the best way to cover a cornerback room that we're all
concerned about? That doesn't mean, of course,
they're concerned about that room.
They know, right? I mean, they kept Bo Melton, for
God's sakes. And it's not like bashing Bo,

(49:58):
like he's generally done a good job.
But I think putting up that beefup front maybe starting to put
some pressure on the quarterbackand maybe they might not get
home. But putting hurries and
pressures and moving them off his spot and stopping the run is
going to help the back end and kind of not expose that
cornerback room in our DBS as much as as we expected to happen
if we can be strong up front. Yeah, and I think the other part

(50:21):
about it is even, you know, you want Hafley to get into his bag.
How do you get into the bag? You get into third and seven,
you get into third and eight. How are you getting there?
You you better darn well stop the run in early downs.
You have to win the early downs.And and of course, some teams
are going to come in like the Bengals and say, now we'll throw
on early downs, which are going to play this year, right?
Like that's going to happen. But you know, in the NFC, the

(50:44):
lot of these teams, you know, we're Green Bay probably Week 2
is going to get a heavy dose of Chris Rodriguez and the big
beautiful Bill himself, Krosky Merritt, right?
Like, I think that's going to happen, right?
And Jane Daniels running. So it's like, I don't think if
you want halfway to start cooking, you need to win the
early downs. It's very cool that Atlanta went
out and grabbed two 240 LB edge rushers in the first round,

(51:07):
traded up a lot to go get the other one.
But like those guys might not have a chance to tee off as much
as they hope they do, you know. So, you know, I kind of think
like, you know, Green Bay kind of needs that, right?
Don't wouldn't you love Stackhouse taking on the double
teams, freeing up guys, you know, with the second level to
go make plays or, or letting guys win their ones along the

(51:28):
line so that Edrin Cooper can blitz on 3rd down.
You can bring in Sorrell and Oliver, right?
You can do all this fun stuff where you're dropping, you know,
defensive tackles into coverage if you so desire, right?
Because you know, you can get creative.
You put Gary on the center, right?
We saw that in the Houston game.But when you get the reason you
can get all that is because you have guys like Stackhouse in the

(51:49):
room, period. Like that's that's kind of where
I'm at. So agreed.
We got tweets flying in about this Parsons thing.
Dude, come on, man, come on. It's almost, it's almost like
clockwork for like the NFL Network talking about Caleb

(52:11):
throwing for 4000 yards. Whatever.
Jerry is loving this right now. Everybody's talking about
Parsons. As Jerry Jones has said a
million times, any publicity is good publicity.
I think that's AI think it's so dumb, but he said it.
So, you know, what can we do sitting here, you know, with the

(52:32):
owner of, you know, one of the most valuable franchises on
planet Earth. So you know, you know.
Well. I mean I.
I still think that bought them for what, 1.2 billion and now
they're worth $12 billion. I don't even think that's all I.
Don't know if he paid a billion even.
So he's a businessman. That's what it is, man.

(52:55):
And as long as his name is in the news, that's all that
matters. And man, and what's his stuff?
Craps fire. It's going to be so annoying.
I. Still think, I still think that
most likely scenario here is that I'm not sure which side,

(53:15):
Micah's side or Jerry's side. Somebody asked the Packers, hey,
can we use your name to help support our narrative?
And the Packers said, Packer said.
You know what, Like this is whatwe do for you guys, All right?
We against Philly, we did this stupid bull crap, Philly tush,
push ban proposal. Like we, we do all this stuff

(53:36):
for you guys, whatever. Go for it.
Go. For it, that's what I yeah.
Yeah, Drew, says Parsons. Has been behaving badly, eating
nachos, laying on medical tables, trying to be a
distraction. You know what this just reminded
me of? Nachos and not cheese curds
don't trade for I feel. I feel like this is a very

(53:58):
specific reference to some player but I can't remember who
it would be. But it just suddenly reminded me
of no. Why am I drawn in a blank on
freaking the like the best pass rusher of all time Lt.
So Lawrence Taylor with the giants K and he's like falling

(54:19):
asleep under the table in meetings and stuff.
And Parcells is like, you know, wakes up and says, Hey, you
weren't even listening and he's like, no, here's the answer to
your question and then goes backto sleep.
Like I don't know what your mindis.
Derschel says Ed policy era already hits like redacted.

(54:39):
I had, I got a lot of podcast feedback from listeners this
week, which is funny. And I had two different people
reach out to me and say, hey, every time you say redacted, I
know what you're talking about. And it makes me feel special
that I feel like I'm in the know.

(54:59):
And I'm like, well, I'm glad that you feel the know because
you are. I also had a bunch of people ask
me like, why the heck do you guys go two and three hours long
per episode? And I'm like, I don't know.
First of all, like I, I, I've seen this week and last week,
I've seen other podcasters out there kind of rant about the

(55:21):
fact that like, oh, you know, ifyou go more than an hour, that's
not the sign of, you know, having great content.
It's a sign that you're a crappypodcast host.
And I'm like, you know what? Then maybe we're not a podcast.
Maybe we're just an experience. We're a YouTube experience.
That's all right. JJ You know what?
We we go this long because the chat is having a blast.

(55:45):
For Bruce. Just tell them all to F off man.
Whatever. You guys are doing a good job
man. Don't.
We have so much fun. Oh gosh, we're not doing this.
This is this is the Kay Adams version of the eyeballs emoji.
We can't do this. I, I I'm losing my mind over
here. Looking at the Twitter timeline

(56:05):
right now. I'm losing my mind.
OK. Do you guys want this to happen,
Bruce? You want it to happen, right?
You don't. No, I don't.
Like, I'd be happy if it happened, but I don't want it to
happen. I mean, it's because ultimately,
again, you look at what he was on the Cowboys, the Cowboys have
a terrible run defense. The only way you're ever going
to win a championship or even stop anybody in the playoffs,

(56:27):
which is why the Cowboys cannot win a playoff game in 30 years
because they've never focused onthat.
You bring that guy in, that's great, you'll be great on 3rd
down, but you need to win in first and second down.
And yes, great flashy guy. Let's get all the headlines,
which we don't care about. I'd rather have somebody that
can stop the run. So no, I'd be happy just because
I'm going to get excited becausehe's going to be a Packer, but I

(56:48):
do not want it to happen. The compensation is not going to
be where I would be comfortable.Yeah, Jake, thumbs up or thumbs
down like you, you don't you don't know what the compensation
is, but just let's let's say that Goody pays what he thinks
is fair and in the best interestof the team.

(57:09):
I would love to trade for Jared Verse.
Dude, I was so mad. I was so mad that we didn't get
a chance to draft him. I know I was devastated.
So there were a lot absolutely devastated.
There were a lot of players in that draft that, you know, would
have been really exciting. So I it's most of them are gone
by the time we were on the clock.
That's true. Frankly, not all of them, but
most of them. Some weren't.

(57:29):
That was that was my least favorite Packers draft
experience of my lifetime. I was at the draft in Detroit,
watching all my favorite draft prospects go to teams that I
didn't want them to go to. And then I'm watching Gudi work
his magic and take the players that he took.

(57:50):
And I'm hanging out there with all the Lions fans who, by the
way, whenever the Packers picks were being announced, Lions fans
booed so loudly I could not hearGoodell say the name.
I had to wait for the the name to come up on screen so I knew
who the heck we just drafted andthey also were doing F Green Bay
chance too. So that was fun.

(58:13):
That was great. Anyways, yeah, I see a lot of
people talking about how Mike Parsons and Jordan loves shows
the same agent. This is what Jerry wants.
Jerry wants this. Like what?
So like is the logic here that Mike is agent is talking to

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Jordan and then Jordan goes and talks to the Packers?
I think we're just a bunch of suckers out here because we have
one dude. Dude represents at the league at
this point. Just saying.
Yeah, yeah. So anyways.
Please do. The owners are just the owners.
Front offices are just laughing about how crazy, how berserk

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we're going right now for no reason.
I don't feel like the three of us are going berserk.
I I feel like the three of us I think are, are being pretty
circumspect here. Matt, we're put the tweet,
though we're skeptical. We're skeptical here.
I'll, I'll put something up here.
You want to put the roster back up?

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Yeah. Here's the roster.
OK, so, so Darian Kennard is nowa Packer.
He was not the last time that wehad an episode here.
So let's talk about him. The only thing that I really
found interesting about him is that he is the second player in

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NFL history to win three consecutive Super Bowls as a
player. And so of course that makes
everybody want him to go four ina row, right?
That'd be nice. But what do you think about him
as a as an offensive lineman? So he spent two years in Kansas

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City's, one year in Philly. I had to bring, I had the Ras
up. Hold on.
Here while you're looking stuff up, I can kind of just get my
thoughts on it. I think from a 53 man
standpoint, JJI had trouble. Like we usually carry 9, right?
And it's a pretty easy 9 and we're thinking 10.

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This year it was like solid 7. What are we doing?
There's injuries, all of this going on, and I think that's
part of the reason why, well, it's.
It's sort of when you say that we keep 9 usually that's sort of
true. The last three years, 22 we kept
1023 we kept 11 and 24 we kept 10.

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So in the last three years the number has actually been a
little north of 10. So this is actually right in
line now it's been 9. If you go back further than
that, you know, for the first four years of Brian Gootkin's
tender, So what? Yeah, the good 10 years where as

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as back, as far back as I'm going.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he he kept 9 in his first
four years in a row and then we went 10/11/10.
So this is 10 again. To me.
I was a little surprised that wekept Donovan Jennings because I
just assumed once we had the other nine guys in here, I

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thought that was going to kind of be the end of it.
Little light at guard, unless, unless you do think that Jordan
Morgan and Darian Kennard are inthe mix at guard, which I think
they both are probably. So then the fact that they kept
Diamond Jennings, that was exciting to me because that to
me didn't say depth. That said, this is a guy we we

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believe in and want to keep developing.
You don't think it had somethingto do with Banks and his injury
history? Possible.
I mean it probably had somethingto do with Jacob Monk being hurt
too, but like frankly I would much rather continue to keep
developing Diamond Jennings overJacob Monk.
It would be nice to see more of Monk at center.

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We just haven't seen him much atcenter.
I'm 100% out on ever seeing him play guard ever again.
Like, you know, the Packers havehave him listed as center slash
guard. Like just get rid of the slash
entirely. He is a pure center.
He's he's just not strong enoughto play guard at the NFL level
like that. He's just not it.

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I feel like sometimes he looks like he's still a center when
he's playing guard. Like he's a little slower off
the ball because he thinks he's snapping it.
I don't know, it's very weird. It's just so so the the vibes
are not great with with him on IR designated for return.
Essentially our second best center is our best tackle right
now. That's tough.
That is, that is not make me sleep.

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Because we've seen. Shawn Ryan at center, and I
think we've seen enough of that.I think so, yeah.
I would rather him worry about being in position earlier than
than worry about him having to do that while also snapping the
football. And maybe Monk is that second in
line if, you know, if Jenkins goes down at Center for some
reason because you don't want tomess with your tackles.

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I mean, I mean, obviously, Tom, you know, it's done good.
I I thought there was going to be a little bit more competition
with Walker on the other side. It looked like there, not that
he was going to, not that he wasgoing to lose his position, but
also with the injury, just kind of put the other boy in there,
let him kind of work his way up.And then once Walker was fully
healthy, let him come back and you can kind of just say, oh,

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this is fine. Everything was perfectly good
kind of thing, right? But Monk seems like a backup
center. That's where else would you put
him, honestly. I mean.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't think there's anywhere you can
at this point. I just doesn't doesn't look.
It doesn't look super anywhere else.

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I think the canard thing it obviously a little bit bigger
and, and to me, I think that feeds into him playing guard
simply because based on the banksigning.
And again, we we've kind of, youknow, gone back and excuse me
back and forth about, you know, where Belton's going to play,

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where he should play, all that stuff.
Well, I, I, I, I think that Banks and Belton are, are worth
re litigating again because the last time we talked about them
was before any of the preseason games and before most of the
open practices. So, you know, it was all still
very much conjecture the last time we really had a serious

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conversation about those two guys.
I think now is a perfectly fine time to revisit.
OK, works for me. Well, I think that my thoughts
on on banks and, and, and kind of Belton was the idea of having
a unit on the interior who can push people around, right, get

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vertical in the run game, right.Because Josh Jacobs, we've kind
of had this discussion, right, Josh Jacobs in Vegas pretty much
down the middle in terms of zonerun terms of gap running, right
gap power running. Green Bay kind of adjusted
themselves last year a little bit and went that route further
away from zone, get more vertical, push people around a
little bit more, which when you have, you know, guys who like

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Shawn Ryan, who I think do a nice job, at least, you know,
trying to get after it and be very physical.
And I think Banks, even though he's quick and more agile for a
bigger guy, he still has I thinksome of that mentality and
certainly Belton does. And I think the to me, Canard, I
know, you know, it's talking about the the the length, you

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know, in terms of which, you know, you can debate, you know,
about that guard or not, But like to me, it looks he looks a
little stiff and the the two hand punch and he's kind of
worried about losing to the outside shoulder, a lot of
tackle that leaves him susceptible to a ton of inside
moves. When you got those quicker guys
out there and and A and A and, and some tough pressures giving

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up. So I would feel more comfortable
if if Green Bay was like, all right, let's see if this guy can
go in there and and push people around up front at guard.
See if he can, you know, be comfortable in a in a little
less in, in a set that involves a little less displacement,
right. And variety in terms of like,
oh, you have to jump out wide toset.

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You got to get vertical. You got to do all those things
where you can still vary up yoursets at guard, but you're not
asked to be carrying guys aroundthe arc.
You're not asked, you know, withthese like Uber, Uber quick guys
who can change direction in an instance, Whereas if you feel
like you have the the girth and the anchor and and play with
enough pop and power to just eatup tons of space, hold the line

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at guard. Like that's what he should be
doing. And, and I feel like that's
probably going to be the better spot for him just because I've
seen a little bit of it at Philly when he was playing some
tackle at the Chiefs pre season,there was some of that where it
was like, Oh yeah, he's not likethe quickest fella out there,
which again, 322 Green Bay's often, you know, stayed towards

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the side of hey, let's stay under that 313 ish, 312 even
310. Obviously, Tom's significantly
less than that for tackle and, you know, obviously Morgan's a
little bit bigger, but he doesn't move.
I don't think Morgan moves like he's 320, right?
I think we'd all probably agree with that, where like, he feels
like he should be lighter, whichis great if he can carry that

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weight like that and play, you know, with that quick a feat.
So yeah, I think I'd rather haveKennard be doing a lot of guard
stuff because I would love to see a unit in Green Bay.
As we've kind of talked about, let's punish some teams that
don't want to, you know, put their chips into the run defense
basket. Let's get on that level with
Detroit and Philly. Let's let's play that physical

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style up front because we have the running back for it.
No question. Jenkins will play that way.
I'm I'm totally convinced. Let's let's because I think
we've had concerns about the interior line.
So I would love to see that. You know, Green Bay have the
mentality of like, no, we're guard, center guard.
Let's let's be physical, let's push people around, but let's

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not worry about just getting to space, hooking guys right in
and, you know, ceiling, backsideand and reach block and all that
stuff where you just have to be quick and occupy some space and
get to a certain spot rather yeah, let's see if your
linebackers want to want to dance.
Josh Jacobs is not Aaron Jones. Completely different running

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styles, both extremely dynamic. And I think you just mentioned
it and now it just, it makes perfect sense that last year
they had to transition from an Aaron Jones dynamic, having to
move, be a lot lighter on their feet, and Aaron Jones doing a
lot of the work to where Josh Jacobs is going to find a hole
and he's going to hit it and there's not a lot of wiggle room

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and he's going to punish people.And I think that's kind of the
MO that they're trying to get to.
Makes perfect sense that they would switch the line up that
way to move away from an Aaron Jones type runner to his Jock
Jacobs type runner who are both amazing runners but very
different styles. Yeah.
Does the Canard trade concern you about how the Packers are

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viewing Anthony Belton? That, that they just don't even
seem to view him as like in the mix for a guy who could come in
and pinch hit at at Garter tackle for them for for this
season. It's unfortunate if that is the

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case that they feel like he can't pinch hit at either spot.
I I don't like that obviously him being an older rookie.
So yeah, that's the there's certainly a concern there.
I do feel like though I guess itjust depends on how they do.
Do they have them listed tackle guard on the on the site they

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foster or no? Let.
Me check here, because I actually, I can't remember if
that was something that I editedor not because he probably was
listed at that with they haven'tlisted just as tackle only
really. Yeah, which which is odd to me
because I still like the idea ofhim playing right guard or right

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tackle. I don't know how much of a left
tackle. I see him, but.
You know, but also like the Packers as far as the left and
right side goes, like they seemed, the Packers seem to view
left and right as way more interchangeable than we do and
routinely don't play guys on theside of the line that I think is

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is the best fit for him. You know, Zach, Tom being the
prime example of like his skill set screams left side of the
offensive line. And, you know, they they stuck
him at right tackle because that's where an opening was and
he's locked that down and now they don't want to move him from
there, Which, you know, I'm not criticizing the decision to keep
him at right tackle and I'm gladthat he was able to lock that

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down. But just, you know, left and
right doesn't seem to matter to the Packers the same way that it
does to us when we're trying to evaluate this process, when
we're trying to evaluate these prospects.
Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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it's interesting because I feel like we we think we have a
handle right on kind of what they're doing and it makes sense
this transition. And then you see Jordan Morgan
at left guard and you go, that'smaybe not exactly what we want.
I feel like Jordan Morgan at guard would be much better

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suited to be doing what Miami's doing or what San Francisco's
doing where it's like they're still doing the like Occupy
space. Get get your, you know, get your
Isaac Gorendo's and and your Mccaffrey's, which McCaffrey, I
think it's kind of do whatever. But like your Gorendo's and and
guys who've been in that, you'reJeff Wilson's right, who have
been there a long time of like they can they can win the

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corner, can't find a cutback angle and still be in really
good shape. Whereas like I feel like Morgan
being listed as tackle only at this point would make a lot more
sense to me because it's like, OK, we see him long term is like
they're not paying Walker. He's doing that.
But as we've kind of pointed out, like the interior offensive
line with Banks, you know, kind of, you know, shelved a little

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bit right now of like, OK, you know, is Morgan probably one of
your best 5 potentially, right? Like, but how much of this Banks
thing is injury? Because it doesn't seem like
it's all injury. It seems like they're also not
liking what they're seeing. And like, frankly, I haven't
liked what I've seen. I didn't like what we saw in San
Francisco. Like, I'm not saying I would not

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have brought Aaron Banks to Green Bay, but my problem with
the Aaron Banks deal was always that we paid him like a, no
doubt about it, bona fide starter.
Like you can't bench this guy because we're paying him so much
money. And I'm looking at it saying I
don't like him as like a backup swing guard the same way that I

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you'd like Shawn Ryan, like I. I don't really want either one
on that JJ insight from a 49ers fan.
That's a really good friend of mine and just asked him about
him. Right?
He said. Dude he's going to frustrate the
living heck out of you. But when push comes to shoving a

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game he does. He's really steady and great for
a run first offense. And he says he's there's going
to be moments and lapses, but aslong as he's not injured and
fully healthy and on, he said weloved him in there.
Like you got a good player if he's on the field and you want

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to run the ball. Like that's literally what he
said. So I was like, OK, that's that
makes sense. But why do you pay him $77
million, right? Because he's not like a starting
caliber guy, but who are we going to put there?
Right. To your point, that is something
that has been sorely missing on this offensive line is like give
us a reliable floor at guard, like the guard, right?

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The guard and center situation has been bad for a couple
straight years now and we've gotall the we've got that huge pile
of guys on the roster who can play tackle.
Not a lot of options at center and at guard.
I can't come up with two starting guards that I love the

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idea of playing in week 1. So you know, if if banks is what
you're saying of like, you know,yeah, somewhat of a liability in
in pass pro makes some mental errors, but is just a reliable
bruiser mauler in the run game again, would rather have him

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playing freaking right guard instead of left guard.
I don't know why we had to slot him in at left guard.
Maybe he just can't play right guard.
Was this a better move? Maybe.
Some people have said that he's some people have said that he's
made comments about not being willing to switch to right
guard. And I know for, for, for these

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guys, left and right is a big deal to the player that, you
know, hey, I got all this musclememory and hand placement and,
and you know, my, my foot movements that I have to make.
That's all, you know, burned into my memory that I don't have
to overthink it. It's just muscle memory for me.
And so I don't want to have to suddenly mirror that and go play
red card. OK, sure, I get it.

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But then in that case, again, itjust even more makes me annoyed
that we're paying you $77 million.
Was it more an upgrade of Jenkins over Myers and really
not being happy with that centerspot and really having to do
deal with that component of it to bring them in?
Absolutely, absolutely. Because center is not one of

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these plug and play spots where you can just know that you have
an option if you know, unless you are bringing in an
established NFL center, you don't know that he's gonna work.
And they didn't. The Packers did not because of
the way that they did things, all right?
They were not in a situation where they had the luxury of

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time. And Elton Jenkins, this is the
story. Elton Jenkins was the one who
approached the Packers and said,hey, let me play center next
year or even mid season last year that he wanted to play
center. And so they're in a spot where
they're like, we do need a reliable replacement for Elton

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so we can move him into center. And I think that they probably
felt better about the idea of, of, hey, we've got our
established starter at center here.
It gives us another year or two or three perhaps, depending on
how things go to find our next center of the future.
I I know that Goody still thinksthat Jacob Monk might be the

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option there. You know, he he really liked him
a lot in the draft that, you know, this is one of the guys he
was really in love with. And maybe Jacob Monk does cement
himself as the center of the future.
I don't have any proof one way or the other that he can or
can't play center at a high level in the NFL.
The bits and pieces we've seen of him playing center in
practice looks good. So, you know, if if if they

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decided that the only good option available to them in free
agency was Aaron Banks. And this was the asking price to
go get Aaron Banks. And they're already looking the
way I am at right guard and saying, wow, we don't have
options here or like, or we, we don't have reliable options that

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we already have this spot that'sin flux.
And we have 3 new starters here across the interior.
Let's get some stability. I can see the case.
I still, you know, still doesn'tmake me happy, but it's
defensible and and makes sense. Let's just run.
Drew says we need to draft Jake Slaughter and move Elton back to

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guard. I don't know the Elton to guard
it is is happening because again, I just I don't think he's
getting another long term deal. But Jake slaughter some relative
of Jake Slaughter. I don't know if it's his dad or
his uncle or somebody. They follow me.

(01:19:11):
Sergeant Slaughter? No.
No, that's his other uncle, JakeSlaughter's dad.
Or somebody follows me and likeslike probably one out of every
10 posts that I post on on social media.
So I, I think it's funny. I post about Jake a couple
times. And so I don't know, just made a

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made a fan in, in this person. I'm down for this.
And I'm a huge Jake Slaughter fan.
So I would love this. Oh no, we got to get the Penn
State guard. Still got that.
Oh, yeah. OK, so I'm not looking.
I, I don't have his name in front of me.
So I'm going to try and do this off memory, I don't even
remember what what it was exactly.

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His last name is Joanna, right? You want to draft him?
Nice. I do want to draft him.
Nice. And state guard isn't it?
Is it like Olavaine, Olavania, Lavavania or something?
If I if I could find it in frontof me, Olav Oliva Vania Ione

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maybe. You want that?
No, the I don't want how his last name is JJ had it because
we were we did this. I'm looking on Penn State's
website right now trying to findthe guy.
OK, well, while you're doing that, they have 300 players want
to welcome in Tayo Miller from Facebook.

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Don't get a lot of Facebook comments.
Most of the comments are from YouTube.
So hello and welcome to Derailed.
We are glad that you're here chilling with us as we try to
calm ourselves about all the I found it rumors and go through
the roster and find draft prospects from next year.
You know, here's here's his name.

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OK, do it. Here's his name.
I'm I'm sharing my screen right now so we can oh, I got to hide
this because I, I have too many things shared.
Got to hide the Ricky tweet. I did I, I got rid of the Ricky
tweet. OK, I was going to say here it
is. It's Olai Vavania, Joanna.
There we go. Just say.

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You you want to draft him and we're good, man.
That's the first part That's true.
You'll want to draft. Him.
Oh man, too old for this is dissing our new friend Teo
Miller. Is it Teo Miller or Teo Miller?
How do you say it? I don't know.
I would probably guess Teo, but Teo would be a cool name too.
Says hey, what's up fellows, go pekko.
And then too old for this is trying to chase away our

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Facebook audience saying rude Facebook is for old people.
Hold on. So maybe you?
Don't know how old Teo is. Teo.
Maybe Teo is a very hip 70 year old.
Yes, no Teo Teo. Teo is Teo, which means uncle.
So it's 2. Different things in Spanish.
In Spanish, you don't know what ethnicity Mr. Miller is exactly.

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So I think, I just think that it's full temporary movable
obstruction. So you.
Know I Beat You KO is like a nine handicap in golf.
That'd be kind of. That'd be nice.
Well, I do there's. Hopefully they're enjoying the
the offseason. There's there's a couple things

(01:22:31):
that I I wanted. To I was touched on.
Yeah, do you want you want a youwant a quick hitter first for
fun? Yeah.
What's your Well, go ahead. I got a quick hitter. 2023 2023
Average age of the initial 53 men roster 2020 325 years 174.75

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days 2024 We're like 90 days older now aren't we?
25 years 17417 in 2024. Any thoughts on what 2025 is?
I'm not the original. I know the answer, so I'll let
you go. OK.
I we're probably still going to be the youngest or one of the

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Let's see, we cut suddenly. The latter.
We cut, I say 24.1. Wow, OK it we are 25 and 272.72
days, so just under 100 days older as a roster than last.

(01:23:36):
Year so old. That's terrible man, I did
enjoy. I did enjoy Andy Herbert tweet a
quote tweet you could say they grow up so fast.
I I did enjoy. That that was.
Really good. That was really good 100 days.
Look at that in two years as a roster.
But that's that was interesting.And then the other thing I
wanted to to highlight was how do we feel about four

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linebackers? Because that's really the only
thing we haven't really talked about other than the QBs, which
I think was not much to say. And then the the running
backroom was pretty much in the same vein of like, yeah, so
Brucy and I both had Isaiah Simmons making it as a pure
special teamer. But, but I like, I, I wasn't
anticipating him playing any linebacker.

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So, you know, I, I only had fouractual linebackers.
So, you know, the the question was, hey, if Isaiah Simmons is
not going to get a roster spot like just purely based off of
being a special teams contributor, then why would
Christian Welch That that was the thing for me because because

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Simmons is better on special teams than Welch is.
And so, you know, the the reasonto roster Welch over Simmons
would be, hey, we like his defensive contributions a little
bit better than Simmons, but I don't get the sense that the
Packers like Welch's defensive play either.
So I did notice like across this53, there is a stark absence of

(01:25:08):
of special teams players. Let me put my OH.
Gosh. I want to put this.
Why is Versace still the coach? Why I have seen zero
improvement? The, the, the, the Packers don't
care about special teams. They do not and have not they
they're, they're, they're, they have a motto besides a we fence

(01:25:30):
on special teams. It's FAFO.
And if you know, you know, I'm not going to say it, but I do
think they're going to find out.OK.
I think they're going to find out because they're they've
they've essentially said specialteams.
No, thank you. Or as Adam Huddle, you know,
puts it more eloquently, of course.

(01:25:51):
F special teams. Yeah.
Well, let's let's go through position by position and look
at. It's fart allowed.
Fart outside for special teams, that's what it is.
There we go. Yep, that's it.
Here's here's our special teamers, right told him that
says what do you mean? We extended ostrich.

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That's my new favorite name for him.
Ostrich Ostrich is good. All right, so Zane Anderson,
he's a special teamer. Michael Robinson, special
teamer, Tyron Hopper, special teamer.
He's going to he's going to get some play on defense, but
definitely special teamer is I think Kingsley and Brenton Cox

(01:26:33):
both played some defense or somespecial teams for us last year.
I think that's right. Malik Heath and like.
This is it. Like who's your 11 guys who are
out there? Who?
Who's? Retarding for us.
Nobody, OK, nobody who returned any kicks or punch in the

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preseason is on this roster today.
Not one point. I'll tell you they're put Reed
back there. I think they might look they.
Probably. Are look they might be.
Maybe. It it's gonna, don't you think
with the with the rule changes, you're gonna put a bow Melton in
there. You're probably probably gonna
put a Brooks back there. Wait, what rule change are you

(01:27:16):
talking about? With the kickoff rules, I mean
it's really more tailored to thebigger kind of running back
style based on what they did with the kick return kind of
thing and I'm thinking they might go a little bit bigger.
Me Cole Hardman, great. You had a chance and you know
what dude, you faffoed it. It's.

(01:27:37):
Accurate. Yeah.
And that was his path to it's not like they didn't throw darts
at the wall to try to get peopleon special teams.
And a lot of those guys didn't do it in our depth on the 53 is
not good enough to address special teams at this point.
So they just kind of punted on it again, unfortunately.
And that's man, I can only. Swear nine guys who are going to

(01:27:59):
be playing special teams. We lost to the Bears because of
a special teams. Won.
And we still did not address it.It's like, what are you guys
doing? We almost, I mean, we won a game
against the Bears on a special team.
Like amazing play. But how do they not understand
that special teams does contribute?
Need all three phases at least. At least give me a top 20

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special teams in the net in my lifetime just once.
That would be that'd be great, Tayo Miller says.
Really had high hopes for Simmons, but I'm glad he didn't
make it. How do you guys feel about
Desland Alexander? He should have made this roster.
You talking about as a a specialteamer or as a defensive end?
Because as a defensive. End, you know, we got five guys

(01:28:41):
and I'm I just I'm not sure who you're replacing with Deslin.
I would not replace Brenton Cox with Deslin and like everybody
else's, you know, starter caliber.
Yeah, I mean, and Oliver's on pop.
So it's like, you know, right. It's it's tough.
It's tough when you're you're, you know, you're pushing for a
53 man roster and, you know, a team decides to draft 2 guys who

(01:29:03):
are going to play, you know, most likely defensive end Colin
Oliver's probably more of the, the, the DPR right type of
thing. But even still, like, you know,
they, they added him for a reason.
It's like, oh, you kind of got stuck behind this with Enig
Barre still sticking around, Brenton Cox showing enough.
It's like, yeah, yeah, you kind of, we're unfortunately put into
a situation that was going to bean uphill climb from from the

(01:29:26):
beginning just because we what we know about draft picks and
how Green Bay usually operates from that standard.
So that's that was tough. He just got put in a situation
where just likely wasn't going to happen.
All right, here's here's the other thing I wanted.
Oh, we should have because he said ostrich.

(01:29:47):
This is all I could think about once he said that.
Can you can you DM me that that image because.
Am I gonna have to put that as my banner, JJ?
Is that too old for this? Too old for this?
Said ostrich. So yeah, Matt.
Matt ostrich. We're gonna do this.
We're gonna do this. I might just make Matt ostrich

(01:30:08):
my my banner photo on on next. Or maybe Bruce has to do that.
So good all. Right, all right.
Suggestions do you have for me, JJ?
You, you keep beating around theBush all.
Right before we do that, I've, I've been, I've been trying to
put this on screen for forever. So Easton Butler, who is a
pretty credible tweeter, posted Romeo hasn't been traded by

(01:30:33):
today's roster cut down. Rogers called yesterday asking
about the availability of him and then like no elaboration at
all. So Easton, I don't think you're
watching this right now, but if you are, would love an
explanation for what the heck isgoing on here.
First of all, I thought the Steelers had AGMI.
Guess they have two. I mean, I have not felt like

(01:30:54):
Omar Khan has done a great job with Steelers thus far.
And maybe this was some, you know, part of the hang up of
like why it took so long to get Rogers signed was that he,
Rogers was negotiating his own deal.
Yeah, he wanted MVS and he wanted Devante and he wanted
Mercedes Lewis and he wanted yougot.

(01:31:17):
You got GM Rogers negotiating with QB Rogers and trying to
hammer out the details of his contract, it says.
Oh, so now Rogers has Seltzer with amazing.
I'm going to steal that from you.
I can't. I'm stealing this.
That was good. Too old for this is on one

(01:31:38):
tonight. It's so good.
He he he brought it tonight. This is this is a plus work
right now. That's that's crazy.
Dude, you hear Steelers fans right now talking about Rodgers
on their team. They are so concerned about the

(01:32:01):
destruction of their locker room, which is something that
Tomlin has done such a good job.But part of it with the
Steelers, similar to the Packers, we're always picking
towards the middle to the back of the end.
Like there's never been kind of a tank, even though I would say
that when Jordan's first year start, like prior to Jordan, we
pretty much almost we didn't go tank mode, but it was a rebuild

(01:32:23):
year. We just luckily did really well
with the draft picks that we hadthree years ago that kind of hit
and kept us going. Tomlin has not done very much.
And now you bring in a guy like Rogers and Steelers fans are not
happy after what Jets fans are saying.
And the Packers fan said once heleft, it's it's he's definitely

(01:32:45):
the GM and needs a little bit ofcontrol.
I I will say this might be the best thing though, is like Jets
fans were like just blindly in the clouds.
They're like, this is going to work.
We've done it right. Steelers fans did not want the.
Job Namath. They didn't.
Steelers fans did not. I know a lot of Steelers
Pittsburgh fans did not want this to happen.
Maybe Pittsburgh fans beating head on a swivel is maybe the

(01:33:08):
best thing they could do becauseif they win 10 games, they're
kind of like, oh wow, like it itdidn't self destruct right now.
Are we in position to draft QB? No, that's a that's a whole
other issue. But like maybe this is
Pittsburgh has the right, I think, mentality and level of
expectation going in, whereas The Jets fans obviously

(01:33:29):
delusional. We're sky high in the clouds.
Let's take this thing to the moon without building the engine
type of thing. So maybe that maybe that, you
know, level of concern and and will be kind of like just them
kind of, you know, under promising over delivering with
their own expectations, which you know, credit to them for for

(01:33:53):
for for doing that, because I think other fan bases would
certainly not. It is.
It is a very steady fan base, Yeah.
Their highs don't get too high, their lows don't get too low.
Kind of like the team. Yeah, it's true, and I'm glad we

(01:34:13):
beat them in. Super Bowl, it's true it's true
Bruce, do you want to know the ideas I've had so far about your
display names yes I'm sorry I I cut you off from that and what
the history was so I I I really want some more suggestions from
the chat here and from you Jake,if you have any so.

(01:34:35):
Jake. If you don't know the details
here, Bruce could have tied me in this 53 thing and we could be
sitting here waiting for the practice squad to come out as
the tiebreaker where I would obviously beat him.
But he wasn't paying attention to the details, and so he wrote
Anders Carlson instead of Brandon McManus.
I didn't write it in there, I just switched my 2024 and I

(01:34:57):
started filling in the gaps and then just ignored special teams
just like the Packers did. It's better than what you did
last year though, when you missed the deadline entirely.
I'll just. Say that I got #1 ranker overall
in all of XI. Missed one player total.
Not bad. It was a it was a masterful
accomplishment and I think this year waiting until the 11th

(01:35:18):
hour, way past the deadline helped you with that.
Way past the deadline as I submitted it before you and you
were making changes all afternoon, freaking out, copying
my stuff. And you're like, wait, I'm not
gonna do that. But we did have this week.
This year you're saying. This year, yeah, you're saying
last year you missed a deadline.Last year you missed a deadline
and I graciously allowed you to.Remain.

(01:35:41):
I'm not arguing. Instead of, instead of, you
know, losing on technicality because that would have just
made everybody sad. I'm not.
I'm not arguing with you. I've said rules are rules.
You said 3:00 PM, which makes nosense because pet day was today,
but that's perfectly fine. We could have done midnight, but
either way, perfectly fine. And we tied in the Twitter's

(01:36:03):
verse. But you and I had a personal
Manu Manu handshake. We did and it was supposed to be
there and I did not I, I put, I kept Anders closing on my as a
kicker. Thank you very much.
I just appreciate that you're so.
Consistent though, because then you got on this podcast and you
called McManus Carlson probably 7 times to be fair.

(01:36:25):
To be fair. Yeah.
Bruce and I were talking as you were kind of coming back from
right before we started my Internet.
He was talking, yeah. And he was talking about like
the Carlson thing. So we'd already had Carlson on
the brain when he when we started.
I think that's what happened there.
It did well. And complicating the matter is
the fact that Bruce is old as dirt and so he's got old man

(01:36:45):
brain that is really making thishard for him.
So I feel for you. I really do like it's tough
going up against a young, handsome buck like me who still
has fully functioning Gray cells.
Dude, I have four women I live with.
My estrogen levels are at 86.7% right now.
I mean, what do you want me to do?

(01:37:06):
I'm like in perimenopause but menopause at this point.
So the the punishment we agreed on.
I'm going to read this verbatim.The winner picks the loser's
display name on X for one calendar month.
So here are the suggestions thatI have so far, and I want the

(01:37:27):
chat to weigh in. I want the chat to help me
decide what we're going to do here.
Jared Goff is my goat. Thought that'd be a good one.
Derailed super fan, Fake Packersfan.
I feel like I know you well enough to know Bruce, that that
one would cut you personally to the core.

(01:37:49):
I got another one. Bear down sparkly heart emoji.
Caleb is him. All caps exclamation mark.
This is probably the direction I'm leaning right now.
That's the one that worries me that people are going to pick
because I lay into Bears fans. I was on a pod last week, an
Irish Bears pod N whatever and he was somewhat reasonable until

(01:38:14):
I and I just threw out all the stats.
I was like, bro, he can't. I don't care what you're telling
me. He can't process.
I don't care what he his talent like he he processes slower than
Justin Fields. You should have kept Justin
Fields and then probably draftedsomebody else and missed on
another great QB to pick somebody else.
But Caleb is not him. I'm so worried because I'm going

(01:38:34):
to have so many Bears fans that follow me that are like pretty
rational. Oh my God.
That that would be worry about manifesting something, JJ, if
you're going to use that one. That's all I'm worried about.
Oh, that's I I don't want to. I don't want to do that.
That is a good reason. Not do this.
That's a good point. That's my only worry about.
That he might throw for 4000 yards into exactly we.

(01:38:56):
Don't wire. Maybe I am superstitious enough
to to you have little stitious. OK, that's good.
Yeah, let's not be positive withthe North.
Do something like I'm anti Packer versus.
What don't happen, JJ? If you, if you did that one, you
know who would lead? You know who would break Brock
Bowers records? You know.
Shut up now. Shut up right now.

(01:39:18):
Because they were. Loveland would.
Yeah, Loveland is probably goingto take them to the promised
land. He might we get we give a couple
other submissions to other people.
Yeah, I know Ben Johnson got in there and and got an adult in
the room and they made hold on. Sorry.
I I hope you guys are OK with mesmoking a cigarette because now
I'm nervous. You're fine.
You're fine. We're good, very good.

(01:39:38):
So Bill Sorensen on X suggested Matt Lafleur's eyebrow stylist.
That was that was not personal stylist.
That's not bad. I would actually I if I were to
lose, I would want my opponent to pick that for me.
To be honest, it's a pretty good.
One, yeah, I liked it. So probably not good.

(01:39:59):
You need like the whole, I don'tlike the Packers.
I, I will be blunt blatantly on this, like just kind of say I've
switched teams or something likethat would be terrible.
You need. Me tool for this says isnapped
for Orzec. That's pretty good.
Brian Maffey submitted guitar isfor babies.

(01:40:24):
Oh. Bruce is distracted.
You know, so guitars for babies is because I post stuff playing
guitar guitars are for. You do you, you post beautiful
guitar music. I do so that's true, and that's
not beautiful, but it it's good for karaoke.
It made me cry. Beautiful, that's all.

(01:40:45):
It is. It's good music at least, right?
Like it's good. It's a good choice of music that
I play. At least I've got a good
playlist. Yeah.
Oh yeah. So Jake, which way are you
leaning right now? Did did you did you think about
doing anything Minnesota related?
No. Well, I I thought about Fran

(01:41:07):
Tarkenton is my goat. And then I thought, like Fran,
Tarkenton is enough of a throwback.
That that might be like. Retro cool.
And so that's when I thought Jared Goff is my goat, because
that's not cool at all. How about magic?
Man is my goat. What about what about JJ
McCarthy is my goat? Well, that's that's what I was.
I I was wondering. But then you can ball out.

(01:41:29):
Jefferson over Devante. All right, Kirk Cousins is my
goat about that. Jefferson over Devante.
Do we like that Jefferson's better than Devante?
Speaking of Cousins, you guys kept talking and pumping up the
Rams. The Rams are going to be useless
if Stafford. Oh, for sure.

(01:41:50):
Does not, and he already missed a bunch of games, so I'm not
worried about the Rams, man. By the time they get to the
playoffs, that dude's going to be cooked.
Somebody somebody said somebody liking it too when when
Hasselbeck had the same kind of issue and they just and it was
downhill from the start. It that could that could very
well happen, which would kind ofbe unfortunate.
Would love to see Tay and and puka play together with a guy

(01:42:11):
who can get them the ball. I Jimmy, you know, he, he's
probably one of the better backups, but it's not going to
be the same. It will not be the same Which.
Would you rather have? Backup Jimmy or Willis?

(01:42:32):
Willis won us some games, man. Yeah, kind of.
He did help. He didn't make mistakes, which
was big. I'm not asking.
I'm not asking is Malik Willis agood quarterback.
I'm not asking that. I'm asking who would you rather
have as your as your quarterback, Malik as your

(01:42:55):
backup quarterback. You don't have to say Malik
Willis is a good quarterback. I'm not asking you to say that
because I don't believe that he is probably Jimmy.
Really, Jake? Yeah, because I don't think you
have to completely change the offense.
You know, that's the only thing like, like Willis did exactly
what he needed to do, which was be a threat to run, make him

(01:43:16):
make some important throws when necessary.
And and and kind of. And not not the ball.
Over right and not not so like you're not going to you're not
going to go like nuclear to win us a game, but you're in and
you're also just not going to lose it Where I feel like that
could if it wasn't Indian Tennessee and and Jacksonville
where he came into relief where it was kind of like yeah, those

(01:43:37):
are the three teams that, you know, I would probably feel most
comfortable with Malik Willis playing in those games.
I don't know if we would had similar results, but I do credit
for Malik for like kind of I think raising, you know his
floor, you know, kind of lookingmore composed out there where it
didn't look that way in Tennessee.

(01:43:59):
Yeah just I I think trusting himself and and kind of
everybody around him I think wasreally cool to see from him.
So I, I, I like what I've seen, but you know, that was a a super
long answer, but you know, DarylEzian is is 1 by 1 individual
messages. My goodness, he is telling us

(01:44:19):
the entire list of Packers transactions today.
Yes, So Daryl, I'm putting the I'm putting the 53 on screen for
you. Save you some time.
This is all the players who are kept saying something right now.
What's going on if they're not on here?
They were. They were cut, Prince Capsaicin
says. Bend it like Orzac.
That's interesting. Not bad, not bad.

(01:44:41):
It's interesting. Don't mind it, Bates.
Be nice. The Chicago won't be good, but
I'm worried a little. Just a little.
What will be good? You said the.
Chicago. Chicago.
I think the best one. But like I I am a little
stitious, you know. Oh, my goodness.

(01:45:03):
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
How about Andy Carlson truther in my bio?
That's interesting. What about Taylor Swift, Hart,
Travis Kelsey. And that's his display name for
the next month. Oh Jesus, dude.
He is going to get so much hate.People are going to be Brute.
He's going to have to stay off of X for a month because people

(01:45:24):
are going to be brutal. That would probably be healthy.
Honestly, JJ might be doing. You, you might be doing me.
AI might actually start focusingon other step brothers.
JJ might be doing you a favor ofthe season.
Yeah. Watching the game, it's not
going nuts. Like, I'm not, you know, I'm not
getting angry on Twitter. I'm not looking at any of this.
I'm just, you know, Green Bay is, is whatever they are through

(01:45:47):
the first month. And you just kind of go, you
know what that was. That was a peaceful way to watch
the game. I got mad about what happened,
but I didn't have to see all of the stuff that made me mad and
take it up from, you know, from a four or five or whatever to a
10. Just create an AI image of me
hugging Kelsey and I don't even.Have to do that.

(01:46:07):
I don't even have to do that. I'm going to do, I'm going to
take the engagement picture thatTaylor posted and I'm going to
swap out your face for Travis's face and that'll be your profile
picture. Well, can you switch out Taylor
Swift for Gal Gadot? And then I'm in.
No, I'll, I'll switch out your face with Taylor's face.
So it's you and Travis. No, OK.

(01:46:28):
That's interesting. I'll do whatever you want, JJ.
Look, I lost fair and square, soyou do what you do.
You, man. I'm down.
I don't care. It'll be fun.
I deserve it for putting Anders on my 53.
Like good God man all. You got to do.
All you got to do is start paying as much attention to the

(01:46:52):
names you put on your 53 as you do put effort into your trash
talk leading up to the 53, and you're going to be in really
good shape for next year. Wow, Look, I can't say anything.
You've won four out of five years, man.
I mean, I I knocked it out of the park.
I was like Sammy Sosa on steroids last year, and then

(01:47:13):
this year I went right back to Bartman on the.
I don't know if we've ever had ayear, though, where the loser
between the two of us lost by more than one player.
I think it's always been within one.
It's been one player every single year, man, and it's been
I had 44 solid like pretty much 100% sure guys, but the injuries

(01:47:36):
kind of messed it up a little bit more it's.
Weird. And.
My there was. One year where we were off by
one point, but it was with the practice squad because we tied
on the 53 and then we were off by one point in the practice
squad. So that was that was a crazy
year. I think that was the year before
you won, so 23. Yeah, that it hurt just as much
as this one. So the next thing up on our

(01:47:59):
agenda to talk about is we are revisiting enriched uranium.
So Bruce, you weren't here for this.
I don't think you were in the chat for this episode.
So Jake and I ranked the Packersplayers at the beginning of the
preseason. We wanted to revisit where our
rankings were at the time. So there is a special tier on

(01:48:21):
here you may notice called enriched uranium.
Jake, do you want to explain enriched uranium?
Please do. Gosh, that's gosh, that feels
like a a while ago when we were talking, it was.
Before I was born. This was, oh man, I don't know
if I should. I mean, it's, it's because of
the what went on in the Middle East where the US got involved.

(01:48:43):
That's all I'm going to say. That's because we were talking
about it of like, oh, they have one all that stuff.
It's like, you know, they're enriching uranium.
I don't know how the heck we goton that.
That's what happens. Well, all.
Right, I wasn't asking you to. Explain like how we came up with
the name, but like can you can you explain the?
I think so. What does the category mean?
Can you explain what does the category mean?

(01:49:04):
Volatile could could you know, go pretty much go from anywhere
to like rise to elite to fall tolike average to below average
like it they could they could beon a spectrum where we see some
of them are on the spectrum for sure.
Unbelievable ceiling with this player, but also like what

(01:49:25):
happens if everything comes, comes crumbling down and and to
be honest, I, I know we put one,yeah, there's one guy, maybe I,
but there's three that are like,yeah, absolutely.
They belong there. Yeah.
These these. First, three guys, Tay Wicks,
Edrin Cooper and Lucas Van Ness clearly belong in enriched
uranium. And I think that.

(01:49:47):
I am I correct in saying that Catano Adapo is the guy who we
no longer feel like, Oh yeah, he's enriched uranium.
We just think he's a solid safety option, right?
Honestly I was thinking Cooper should be going to Elite but I'm
I'm on board with this as well. How?
How would you bump? Him from enriched uranium to

(01:50:08):
elite based on no sample size yet.
He hasn't played a single game since then.
I feel no, I just feel good. The vibes are the vibes are
excellent. Vibes.
I'm in Jake. I agree.
Well, and, and this was interesting because Bruce was
asking, you know, and he let's he let's let him be a starter
first. That's fine.
We we let I, I, I saw this the other day.
Bruce was putting this out of like how many blue chippers do

(01:50:31):
the Packers have? Because I think it's an
interesting perspective just to kind of bring in on this exact
thing with how we rank these guys.
Because I think this all ties inof like, do the Packers have
enough blue chippers? We're going to get someone like
Parsons, which has been the talkof Twitter for the last hour and
a half. Does it make sense?
Because are there enough of themright?

(01:50:54):
That is interesting. Do we want to do that real quick
and see how many blue chippers would be great?
Because I think it's I think it makes makes interesting.
We'll just go what what left to right, top to bottom, Yes, but
also what defines the blue chipper?
What are we saying is the true blue chipper?
Are we going top four, top five,the position, you know, wherever

(01:51:14):
the elite cut off is. McKinney Jacobs is probably kind
of that type of player, right? Like.
What? What if we just say top ten at
their position over the last like 3 years?
No, no, top ten of their position over the last three
years. Like you, you would have said
that for the last three years. It's.

(01:51:37):
Is that, is that a blue chipper where it's like, you know, JJ,
even on our our list that we kind of put out is that blue
chipper is that kind of more great than than the true blue
chipper, a blue. Chip is like for me a blue chip
and the reason I was saying thisis can you put can they change a
game? Can you have Josh Jacobs, which

(01:51:58):
was my blue chipper on the team that I kind of opened up to give
the idea in terms of you can putthe ball in his hands and he can
carry the team if necessary, right?
Like a defensive guy like McKinney changed game.
That's a blue chipper, man. Like that's there's a lot we you

(01:52:18):
can have a lot of good to great players, but that blue chipper
is that one dude that if Jordan Love is not being consistent,
not doing that, you can turn around and hand the ball to Josh
Jacobs and we have a chance at winning the game.
That's a blue chipper for me. Yeah, so I asked, I asked Chet
GPT to help us to find blue chipplayer because I mean, think

(01:52:40):
about how many are in each draftclass when you go back and look
sure like it's not a very high number.
Chet GPT says a blue chip is a term borrowed from investing in
business. That means a prospect or athlete
with the highest possible rating.
It generally refers to a top talent or elite prospect in

(01:53:01):
recruiting, a surefire contributor at the NFL level who
is physically and mentally outstanding, and also emphasizes
scarcity and value. So I asked it for a little more
specific to help us kind of nailthis down, and it basically
summarizes that this player consistently performs at a Pro

(01:53:24):
Bowl or All Pro level basically week in and week out and has the
capacity to tilt games by themselves.
They're not just good starters, they are rare elite players that
you build your roster or your unit around.
Do we agree with that definition?
I'm good with that. Good with that.
OK. So Jordan love blue chip, yes or

(01:53:48):
no, I would say. TBDTBD.
No, right now. Same time no.
Nope. Josh Jacobs, blue chip.
Yes, yes. OK, so we got 3 yeses for Josh
Jacobs. Do we want to talk to wide
receiver or no? I think we skip wide receiver.
We could get to say some stuff if you're going to stick Tucker

(01:54:12):
craft blue chip or no honestly, like I think if not, he is
extremely close. I think.
I think I vote yes. So so Bruce, you say yes.
So we got 2 yeses. So that's so that's a yes, I, I
think so because I know like some people might say, it's like

(01:54:35):
you're kind of getting a little ahead of yourself.
I don't know man. When you talk about like true
like combo players at the position, there aren't that
many. So who would you put that?
It's as simple as what? Just in our division, like I
would probably call a porta a blue chipper, but outside of
that, right, like there's not a lot of guys.

(01:54:57):
When you're stacking Tucker Craft against other tight ends,
it's tough because most of the great tight ends in the NFL are
very close to home for us. There's a couple of the top
tight ends are in our division so that that makes it brutal.
Aukinson and La Porta are because of scarcity at the

(01:55:18):
position right like tight ends are hard to find that can and.
Then and then Kittle is in. Yes.
Kittle is in the conference. Yeah.
I think for me it's it's one of two things.
One, like you have these good receivers playing a position.
Brock Bowers is a great receiving tight end.
Does he, can he do what Kraft can do?

(01:55:38):
No. No, he cannot.
He cannot. Now, can he change the game?
Because he's an elite receiver, 100%.
Trey McBride's in that realm as well.
LaPorte is getting better as a blocker.
Yep. So I think like to me like
Kittle is the end all be all topof the line, change the game of
the passing game, destroy peoplein the wrong game player.
I think craft and I think healthy Goddards are like 2 of

(01:56:01):
the others that are like true possible players when Goddard's
healthy. Who in the sixth line?
Oh no, How many good Titans are in the AFC?
It's Bowers, It was Mark Andrews, but it's Kelsey.
I don't think Kelsey is quite atthat level anymore.
So I would I would say Kraft is in it.
I, I don't think it's crazy to say.
I would say Kraft is in it as well, unless he like nose dives

(01:56:23):
off a Cliff. But basically if he is the same
player this year that he was last year, I'm not asking him to
take a step forward. Just be who you were last year.
And I'm my. Answer is yes, you're a blue
chipper. Big place as a linear athlete
after the catch. 6th offensive lineman.
That's all it is. That's all you need to be.
Had he not missed any games, he would have broken the rookie
record for tight ends for the Green Bay Packers.

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That's true. That is true.
Zach Tom doesn't even need to betalked about blue chip.
Are there any other offensive lineman and the only guy his
name would be Elton Jenkins? Is Elton Jenkins a blue chip in
2025? No.
I I would just say the Packers have built their offensive line

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around him being the center and they've moved everybody else
around to accommodate for him being the center.
Having said that, I don't. Think any of us?
Feel super confident that he's here next year.
Is he a Pro Bowl center? I would say he's, from what
we've seen from him in the past,he is more likely to be a Pro

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Bowler at tackle or center than a guard.
Ragnar retired, so he's out of the picture.
I mean, he's, he's paid like. A top.
He's paid top three as a center now with the money he's making
now, right when you move him over from guard money over to
center, So is he a top three center in the league?
Yeah, I mean, Humphrey McCoy in New Orleans, maybe Linderbaum.

(01:58:00):
Linderbaum. Yeah, Linderbaum for sure.
I think people think Fraser's going to get there from
Pittsburgh, get a really, reallygood rookie year.
But like, I don't know. It's still makes me mad.
I want as Fraser so freaking bad, like Dolman, Fenderbaum,
Dolman. I'm not I'm not there with
Dolman as a blue chipper either.So I mean, it's thumbs up or

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down. Is Elton Jenkins blue chip
player? You know, I didn't I'm I'm going
to say yes. So I, I got a yes.
Bruce is a no. Jake, you got a tie break.
Oh, man, I think I honestly, yeah, I think he will be.
I, I was, I was going to say I thought it was going to be 4
players, but yeah, we have 4 on offense.

(01:58:43):
I can buy it. We we've got 4 on offense so
far. I think it's fair to to want to
see it though. I, I, I get Bruce's perspective
for sure. I just at that position around
the league, I feel like he's going to be right there.
That's fair. But again, it it is a weird
question to be like, well, he might not be on the team.
That's, you know, is that an indictment of how they view him?

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A blue chipper should get another contract, right?
You know what, that's fair. But that's fair.
He probably will get one. Is he going to?
Of course. He might think about this,
though, like the year before, you know, we moved on from Aaron
Rodgers or the year before AaronDonald retired.

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Like any one of these greats. Like would you have said, oh,
they're not a blue chipper anymore?
No, I mean, no, maybe it's not agreat argument.
No, Father time is. Certainly some guys have walked
away still being able to write. Donald has walked away,
certainly being able to just still play at that level.

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Watts, I think was struggling with injuries down the stretch.
But like when I look at center, like I'm, we mentioned Dolman
who got a big contract from Chicago to me, like if you take
him out of an outside zone team,I don't love it.
So that's my concern with him versus a player like Jenkins.

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And then again, it was a pretty short list that we talked about.
I like the scarcity of the position kind of as that
tiebreaker, the scarcity at the position, like with tight end,
what we did, it's how many of those guys are actually out
there that you can compare them to.
So not an overall NFL top 100 player, but at the position, who

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can you put ahead of him? And at that point, I would say
yes, I just need to see him at center, you know what I mean?
Like consistently. Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, I think you can make the argument either way on this one.
It's a tricky one, but yeah, thescarcity at the position there,
there could be some guys who wholeap it.
It's it's a tricky one, period. Anyway, I did.

(02:00:53):
Oh yes, two to 12 to 2:00 to 1:00.
Some super quick research on thequestion of centers playing at a
high level at a more advanced age compared to guards at the
same age. And it looks like the answer is

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you do get an extra year or two at center that you don't get at
guard. But again, this is, you know, 3
minutes of research. So, like, you know, if Elton
plays at an extremely high levelat center this year, do the
Packers roll the dice on his, atthis point, advanced age and

(02:01:39):
give them a new contract based on continuing to play at center,
which is a less physically demanding position than guard
certainly requires? Would certainly make the
offseason a little easier. What option do they have?
Draft a guy. I I don't think we, they would
have to go. Oh yeah, Monk is we, we got

(02:02:00):
this. We're, you know, I don't think
we can do that. Props to Daryl Azian for
continuing to give us the rosterupdates line by line from 7
hours ago. I love it.
Appreciate you, Daryl. I love it.
No, keep commenting. Help the algorithm keep
interacting. I I dig it.

(02:02:24):
Yeah, I it's going to be an interesting offseason along the
offensive line again. No one else.
For for defensive line. Oh, go ahead, Bruce.
Just nobody on the offensive line moving forward.
Like there's nobody else on the offense that I would say is blue
chip. Like not even like conversation
wise. Yeah, which I, I, I think the
answer is, is clearly that we'reat like 3 or 4 blue chippers on

(02:02:47):
the offense and like, you know, we're we're we're kind of having
that conversation if it's three or four, yeah, on the defensive
side of the ball. I I wonder how many we're gonna
come away with here. Go ahead, Jake.
One simply one. You're going to say Edwin
Cooper, aren't you? No, it's McKinney.
It's all McKinney. I would say the I would say the

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only answer is I think so McKinney or maybe McKinney and
and Gary, but I so I, I, I wouldsay 2 McKinney and Gary and I, I
would not really be that interested in hearing the
argument for anybody else on defense.
I've got unless you're unless you're just pulling on Katano.

(02:03:29):
Look Cooper for me. That cat though.
I have a feeling that that guy. Just like BB.
TBD so sticking to the we haven't seen it yet kind of
thing. We can't put him on there right
now. And to say he's a blue chipper,
You're you're. Just going to have a hard time
getting me excited about a middle linebacker, may I say,

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who, who wasn't even a starter last year, played a very limited
number of snaps. I'm, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not
ready yet, you know? We want to be.
I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll send this, I'll, I'll lead the ship
into the storm. I'm, I'm right there with the
Matthew Golden pipe train. I'll lead it.

(02:04:13):
I, I feel like I was early on Matthew Golden.
I really liked him at Texas, wasa huge, huge fan of him at
Texas. You know, super excited for
everything we saw from him this summer.
Like, I, I think he is the real deal.
I'm, I'm really hoping that he cracks 1000 yards in his rookie
year. That would be freaking exciting

(02:04:33):
to me. Yes, I, if he cracks 1000, I, I
don't want to pour the cold water.
OK, It's going to be it's going to be hard to be a blue chipper
at wide receiver considering whohas entered the league recently
and and Oh yeah, how good the top of the line is.
So like, if we're even having that conversation next year,

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that is awesome. Plus he's got to compete with
pay wit right? Receivers as rookies making a
huge impact on teams coming in and a lot of it has to do.
I remember seeing this last yearor maybe it was two years ago
when I was still doing the pod, I started looking into kind of
that that trend. And one of the biggest thing is
because of the flag football andthe lack of contact it the

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younger level, there's a lot more of these elite athletes
moving towards the wide receiverposition.
So they have a lot more years ofexperience coming in.
So they're more impactful by thetime they get to the NFL because
of the way that they've kind of shifted the way that they're
that the game is being played ata younger age, which is why
these guys have so many, I guess, years of experience and

(02:05:43):
reps before they get to the NFL where they can be a lot more
impactful as they come in as rookies versus before where
everybody wanted to be a runningback, Everybody wants to be, you
know, these all of a sudden it'slike, well, I just want to run
around. I want to be really fast.
And you can kind of teach. You can't teach hands, as we can

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see with the Packers, like you either have hands or you don't
have hands. But everything else in terms of
speed and everything else has shown that guys like Golden
should make an impact in their first year.
I, I, I'm predicting 1000 yards and nine TDs for him and I and I
don't see that as an unreasonable ask.

(02:06:26):
No, no, I, I I agree. I think the, as you said, the
more experience they have one the the shock of NFL speed
versus college speed doesn't deter the really good ones for
very long. You, you really saw guys like
St. Brown catch fire down the
stretch his rookie year, right lad?

(02:06:48):
And and BTJ last year started just absolutely dominating down
the stretch. So you you will have that for
sure like that. That is like Olave came in no
problem. Dudes consummate professional in
New Orleans just doing whatever is asked of him.
He's still there. Yeah.
And so is Cooks. What the like?
I thought soccer books were still on their team.

(02:07:09):
Yeah, Cooks went back there thisyeah, this offseason.
It'd be interesting to see if Olave is healthy over there.
Just saying just a little, just a little inquiry perhaps.
I don't know we we'll get to that sometime down the road.
But yeah, I, I do think you, you, I think all of the first
round receivers this year, the expectation, especially in the

(02:07:30):
17 game season, should be kind of like, hey, like we're giving
you a lot of opportunities. I, I feel like 1K is not an
unreasonable ask anymore. McMillan these guys.
Is another one like what other Imean?
The sad thing though is it wouldbe super rare for for it to
happen with the Packers. I mean they our our guys are

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posting 345600 yard receiving seasons right now.
Like 1000 yards receiving shouldn't be a an impressive
milestone, but guys just aren't hitting it.
I mean, even Devante, he kept posting like 998 yards, 999

(02:08:13):
yards, 997 yards over and over again.
You know, I just it it's they spread the ball around so much
and then these the our young receivers have just not
separated themselves out enough to over this.
Shut your pie hole. Quit talking about horrible
things. So who are?
They going. To.
Go back to that Matt ostrich again.

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Please. Who are they starting Jay?
Like the biggest reason behind me saying that Golden can do
this is the injuries to the widereceiver Corn.
I mean, do we have like 2 healthy wide receivers coming
in? Once Watson comes back, great,
that's going to open up things even more.
But at this point, like who is who are they throwing injuries?

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And also the lack of reliability, unfortunately.
It's really unfortunate that theguy who is is like not just like
hurt, but like injured and down and not playing for sure right
now is the guy who was actually the most reliable of the Core 4
last year, which really stinks. So yeah, the fact that Watson

(02:09:17):
dropped one pass last year relative to guys, you know,
Dobbs was either 6 or 7. Wicks and Reed were up there
too. Like I, yeah, it's it's tough
right now. Like I do I expect Dobbs to
Dobbs to me feels like the JamesJones of this group right now of
like, my goodness, some of the plays of the Seattle game that
he's making right on Sunday night and like just kind of
like, oh, wow, he dropped that unfortunately started right off

(02:09:41):
the bat in preseason that that was tough to see.
So like, yeah, I mean, he should, he should be taking this
over. You know what I'm hoping they do
is I run. They run 12 per.
Maybe that's why they kept 4 tight ends right?
Which is not a mistake that I made.
You run 12 down people's throatsuntil these guys get healthy.
Yes, well, and I, I honestly, I love the idea of 12.

(02:10:04):
Yeah, Ben Sims. Fitzpatrick should have thought
about that. Yeah, I, I that's a kind of why
I think JJ and I were kind of talking a lot about the four
tight ends of like, I, you want Kraft to be a part of this
passing game a lot more. Like may want to have another
guy in there who can, you know, kind of be the 6th of the
lineman when called upon so he can get into concepts much more

(02:10:28):
quickly. So you're not, you know, chip
and release, block and release, you know, craft in the flat
where obviously you can make plays.
But it would also, I think, benefit them to have him running
crossers, having him run up the scene.
Like, I know, I know everybody wants Musgrave to run up the
scene, but like, I Kraft can do it too.
Like, no, no question of, of what he can do as a linear
athlete at this point. So, yeah, when, when Watson's

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healthy, I know it's JJ, you, you make great points about like
not expecting a whole lot when guys are coming off injuries
like this. I, I am dying to see 12
personnel with Golden and Watson.
I'm I'm dying to see that I, I want it so bad because I think
I, I would just, I, I would be loving it.
Here's the stats for you on the 12 personnel.
Are you ready so because I love 12.

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So First off. It's. 49ers, Rams, Packers In
terms of 12 personnel usage, Matt Lafleur has lost a total of
three games when they've used 12personnel more than their
opponent. And the last thing that we need
to look at and running out of 12is making sure that those

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running backs have at least 30 touches, not runs, but touches.
If you can hit on those two, Matt Lafleur is lethal with his
because he can open up his playbook and it's going to
protect our wide receivers, man.Like it really is like there
there is a genuine concern aboutReed Dobbs.
I mean, Watson, you're talking about three guys that were in

(02:11:57):
the starting rotation last year that are ifs and outs this year.
Just give me some Sims. Give me it's I don't think it'll
be Fitzpatrick. I think you're right, JJ, I
think it's going to be Samson Craft.
Musgrave will be sprinkled in because Musgrave just has not
shown the consistency. As much as I'm a truther for
him, he's terrible at blocking and you can't be doing that.

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You said you need to have a, youknow, that other offensive
lineman in there to help out andopen up the rest of the game.
I have AI. Just hope we see a lot of 12
personnel run it down people's throats and just open up that
pass game with the run. Well, This is why JJ and I were
like early in the draft process going like, hey, if Tyler Warzer

(02:12:39):
23 like, yeah, what do you mean?What do you mean no, like, yeah,
absolutely. I would do that.
And then we got on the Loveland train.
It was like if either of those guys, we we knew for a certain
team, Loveland was not going to be there when we were on the
clock And and it wasn't even close.
What was he it was he the 10th pick or the 11th?
It was the 10th pick. So like, yeah, it's yeah, crazy.

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Which again, in in, in that relative to the talent of that
class, those two, yeah, just, you know, outstanding.
But like, that's why we were kind of on that train of like,
yeah, being Oh, no, too much of A Oh, no, too much of a good
thing when we could run the ballall like this.
Yeah, sure. No, So that's yeah, I think if
if they want to be in 12 a lot. I'm I'm so doubt.

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Chris, the casual end says Goop paid.
I noticed you. I noticed you changed your
display name back to the thing that makes me sound bad when I
when I read it. I liked your other name.
Goop paid or Orzek. Goop paid Ozempic ostrich $4.8
million. Someone please hurt me.
Orzec will hurt you, I promise. Ostrich, our guy Matt Ostrich.

(02:13:50):
Our guy. Stop.
Oh my God. So funny.
Anyway, Oh you didn't. You didn't DM me that picture.
Yet I need to. Post Oh yeah, yeah, come on.
You're right, you're right, you're right.
I got to get you to do this while we're live on the stream
because as soon as the stream opens or ends, you're you turn

(02:14:11):
your phone off right away. This is true tool of this says
are you not hurt enough by that contract?
It's true. It's true, yes.
Gentlemen, I have to hop off because I need to go take my
daughter to go buy some Hoko asking somebody out stuff nice.
So now like yes. I like Coco in my house, but

(02:14:35):
it's short for hot cocoa. Yes.
That's I wish I was still at that phase of my life.
I'm not. Well, my daughter's 3 so.
So that's definitely what Hoco means in our house.
So your your estrogen level is officially at three times that.
So you're at 9% estrogen levels.That's good.
You're a good girl, Dad, man, you're going to do solid man

(02:14:56):
there we. Go we do, we do, we do hot cocoa
all year long like it's it's 95°out and she's like, Dad, I'm
cold, we need hot cocoa and I'm like, do you like cold cocoa?
How does that? Does that sound good too?
Just use the word mocha there. We go, yes, oh, that's not a bad

(02:15:16):
idea. Not a bad.
Idea Hey try try cold mocha Bruce.
Thank you guys. Bruce, thanks for hopping on
here. We appreciate your time.
Look forward to beating you again next year.
You're a good guy. Appreciate having you on here.
We have to have to have you backon here again soon.
Yes, definitely I. Appreciate you guys very much
thank you for having me on go pat go and I'll be waiting for

(02:15:36):
my tag that I will be posting onmy profile for losing to you I.
Can't wait, makes me so happy y'all.
Thank you guys so much. Take care you.
As well. What a good.
Guy a small fella. Gosh, it's a It's a lot of fun.
We've it's been it. I will say the hours ago quickly

(02:15:58):
on this show, but it was very fun Bruce coming in and it yeah,
we're at 216 in and it doesn't feel like we're that far in so
big. Well, it's it's the listenership
is tremendous tonight. You see how many people are are
tuned in across the three platforms.
Crazy. I do.
So thank you guys for also tuning in, being the big part of

(02:16:19):
this this show. The chat is is off the rails.
I'm just we're going to let themwe're going to let them stay
derailed over there in chat. But dude, the chat is off the
chain today. Yes, yes, and and listen, we we
came in hot. We were talking about, you know,

(02:16:40):
Orzek Parsons, ostrich ostrich Parsons and then and then plenty
and, and I feel like it was niceto have another perspective come
in because I think you've you'veguys have heard us kind of stay
pretty pretty. We haven't changed too many of
our takes. Honestly, I feel like we've been
pretty steady with most of it. Maybe there's a little more

(02:17:01):
bullish fever on the on the golden stuff with the other
injuries. But like overall, it was nice to
have another perspective come inand hopefully we'll be able to
do that a lot more, I think during the season.
So I just there's a new tweet, anew mega Parsons tweet right
now. The.
Betting markets in the last hour.

(02:17:24):
In the last hour, the betting markets have jumped up and 80%
of the money for what team will Micah Parsons be on next is
Minnesota. What?
Ah yes, because you know what? You know what Minnesota's motto

(02:17:44):
is? Shrink the draft.
Less picks. Maybe.
Really less picks. Hey, whatever it takes to get
Justin Jefferson out of Minnesota, Send Justin Jefferson
to Dallas. Pickens and Parsons for
Jefferson. That's what I'm talking about.

(02:18:08):
Lamb and Jefferson on the same team?
Are you kidding? Prescott.
'S thrown for 5200 yards becausethey're going to lose lots of
games. They're the new Bengals out
there, dude. I would, I would I'm I may have
to go trade for Dak Prescott in my fantasy league tonight.
While his value is still low. The second he gets Justin

(02:18:30):
Jefferson, man, it's that would yeah, you got that right, Jake.
We, we had, we had one more thing on our itinerary tonight
for for once we were done with the 53, but it's getting really
late and we're, I think we. Have we have a decision?
To make it's the it's the Lafleur thing.
It's the Lafleur thing that seems that seems like a tall

(02:18:52):
order. Feel like it is in tall order
it's a tall order I have a hard limit of 21 more minutes that I
can go before I have to be off of here.
I say I say we go back to the enriched uranium.
If there were any takes that we felt like we needed to because
we kind of breezed over it. I think it's a good way to
finish and what we'll we'll definitely rank Lafleur next
week while we preview the lions.I I think it's the way to go Oh

(02:19:16):
lions preview isn't next week. We got, we have our whole, our
whole thing for next week was hold on, let me grab it here.
We got oh, the future. Oh, oh, so next week is record
prediction and bringing back Northern college football.
That's right. We do have to bring that back.

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And and I've, like I said, I've had a lot of conversations this
week with listeners of the show talking about the show and had a
lot of requests for us to revisit Northern college
football. So we of course, people who are
intending to show up for that. Yeah, we just got to get.

(02:19:58):
So all right. So we're we're looking at how
our our pre season ranking of all these players shook out.
So a reminder that the tiers that we wound up with, we're all
pro elite, great enriched uranium, reliable starter.
Average beige developing projectPure special teamer and fry

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cook. So let's look at it.
Let's look at the fry cooks, bro.
Oh, you played. So.
Oh, yeah, I got to take 223 of them.
Made the roster. Yeah.
So, I mean, we knew Kenny Clark was making the roster.
Colby Wooden had himself a nice little summer.
I I think I feel differently about Colby Wooden than I did at

(02:20:42):
the beginning of the summer. Still not sure how confident I
am that he's going to make an impact this season, but to me he
seemed deserving of a roster spot.
They need depth there. Matt Orszek definitely fry cook,
but now he's a very rich fry cook.
He just made an additional 5 miloff of us.

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Travis Glover, I thought the weirdest, the weirdest thing
this offseason was like moving Beau Melton to cornerback.
And then the second weirdest thing this offseason was when
Travis Glover got injured and hackers, media folks just lost
it saying like, oh, man, this isgoing to really put the pressure

(02:21:28):
on Jordan Morgan to step up and be a, a a guard option.
And I don't know where that camefrom.
Has he had to? Yes.
Is it because Glover got hurt? No.
Right. Like it's because Banks is hurt.
Glover should not have been in the mix.
Yeah, it's because Cornelius Johnson.

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Yeah, I was our other name in fry cook.
And I I think, you know, he still belongs there.
Pure special teamer. So we we have Tyron Hopper in
here and I think it's time, baby.
And it's time to at least bump him into developing project for
he's a developing project now. So he's gets an upgrade.

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Christian Welch did not make theroster because he's a pure
special teamer. Yeah, we nailed that.
Zane Anderson is a pure special teamer.
We know this. He made the roster, but he made
the roster as a pure special teamer.
I yeah. So I, I think that that tier did
well and he took Christian Welch's.
Yeah. And Congrats to Hopper, which I

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think he joins pretty much all of the the like I think of most
rookies are in here. Yeah, I think everybody but
Golden's in here so far. So looking at the developing
project tier, I think that there's there's a demotion we
have to get hand out and that isIsaiah Simmons demoted clearly

(02:22:52):
to pure special teamer. You're right.
Good call. Kamal Haddon made the roster as
a developing project. This is fine project, no problem
with that. Caitlin King, I'm hoping
technically still will be back to the practice squad.
Yeah, not as your stack house. So developing project.

(02:23:14):
And Mike, say what? Oh yeah, those guys to the next
3. Robinson, Stack, House and
Brinson all in order there. I kind of feel like this tier
also aged pretty well, with the exception of Isaiah Simmons just
playing himself out of this tierentirely.
Yeah, I think would you there's maybe one thing I would move
potentially. Is it is it is it a a hospital

(02:23:38):
player? Well, well, does he just need
his own tier Hospital hospital player?
That's possible. I was wondering, do you think
Jordan Morgan might move up? This is crazy talk.
Hopper should start over. Quit, that is.
How dare you. I love you, Chris, but that's
crazy talk. Do you think Jordan Morgan bumps

(02:24:00):
himself up here? He certainly moves himself up to
average. That's what I was thinking, no
question about it. I think that's where.
So props to him. I don't know if I'm ready to put
him in a reliable starter yet 'cause we need to see him be a
reliable starter in regular season games.
But he played quite well in those three preseason games.
I mean, quite well. And I still officially don't

(02:24:26):
want to see him anywhere other than left tackle.
I'm not interested in seeing himat any of the other four
offensive line spots. It's kind of we we have two guys
in this offensive line room, Jacob Monk and Jordan Morgan,
both from the same draft class, who have only one acceptable
spot on this offensive line. In my opinion.

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The Packers are trying them bothat other places like left guard,
and I'm not here for that. We know where they both live.
Completely agree. Yes, let's see here.
Donovan Jennings made the roster, props to him.
So developing project worked outwell.
I just don't know that anybody, I'm I might say Chris Brooks,

(02:25:13):
maybe he's in the wrong tier here.
I'm not sure what tier he needs to be in, but he's to me he's
not really developing project somuch because I think that we
know what he is. He's maxed out and he's like
average as like a backup, right?He is average for what he is,

(02:25:34):
right. This is if we were putting him
on on on tiers of like, you know, relative to one thing of
like trying to be a a contributor all pro, right, all
that stuff. Like he obviously wouldn't like
he would be lower on the list right in the roster, but for for
being a pass protecting right, some short yardage like do some

(02:25:55):
like almost like the odd job guya little bit right in an
organization. And, and but he does all of them
at at at a level that is competent enough to be
considered So. And I I agree.
I think you could move him up too.
Can you help me remember something like I'm I'm thinking

(02:26:15):
back here. I know that I was really upset a
bunch of different times about the fact that Lafleur kept
putting Patrick Taylor out therein like crucial third or fourth.
Got to have it situations that Patrick Taylor was like not only
on the field, but that he was who the ball was going to like,

(02:26:38):
hey, we're going to throw the ball to him on 4th and 11 and
he's not going to make the catchright.
That Patrick Taylor was in much of those situations.
He was, was Chris Brooks also inthat same exact category And was
I also frustrated about that or am I just getting him and
Patrick Taylor mixed up? No, I think he was in on some of
the 3rd and mediums, especially where it was like, you know, we

(02:27:00):
have, we have more options here.And he was doing pass protection
stuff and he was getting some short yardage looks.
And I think you were maybe a little frustrated not as though
as Patrick Taylor, which I thinkrightfully so.
Anybody else in the developing project here that you think we
kind of got it wrong on or, or that they have like changed,

(02:27:20):
they've changed your perception of them at this point?
Yeah, other than you said Simmons obviously going down.
You mentioned Brooks, Jordan Morgan.
I think that's it. Yeah.
I think that's it for now. I think the rookies and I, I
wish that we had seen more of Baron's.
Yes, before he got hurt. And this is probably the biggest
heartbreaker, the 100%. That's the one guy I'm like if

(02:27:43):
we see him early in the season doing some things in the
rotation, it's like OK, it obvious bump up candidate right
now I think is Sorel. Yeah, I think that's correctly
identified there. So this next.
Tier of average beige I I have some feelings about this one.

(02:28:05):
One thing I want to do here, we got Keyshawn Nixon here, I want
to demote him to tiers to pier special teamer I I'm so out on
Keyshawn Nixon at this point as a cornerback and he was when we
first brought him in, You know, I liked him as a slot corner for
Vegas. I think he never kind of played
as well in the slot for Green Bay as he had for Vegas, but he

(02:28:30):
did OK on the boundary a few times.
And there were certainly some plays that he made out of the
slot where he, you know, made, made a really nice heads up
play, you know, and got the ballon the ground or, or made a a
crucial tackle for a loss in some serious situations that I
really appreciated. I agree But I but I think.

(02:28:55):
And I'm sure we're. Just still going to see some of
those. Yeah.
But like to me, there's just no question that he has been the
wink weak link in our secondary certainly for last year.
And then he you know, like I wasn't like there in person
watching all the open practices and stuff, but I saw a lot of

(02:29:15):
video from the open practices. He just everything that I've
ever like hated about watching him in the regular season was
just consistently showing up in like every single highlight reel
from training camp that like every nice catch was being made
over Keyshawn Nixon. And then like, you know, the
comments were all like, oh, wow,And that was Keyshawn that he

(02:29:38):
made the catch over. Like, wow, like Keyshawn's
pretty good. And it's like he's really not.
And all of these highlights are coming at Keyshawn's expense.
And then we see the joint practices against the the Colts
and the Seahawks and like it's it was bad it.
When? Keyshawn was out there, it was
bad. And I don't know if it's like a
a con. What's what's the word I'm

(02:29:59):
looking for like a combination of like where where he was plus
getting a year older or maybe hejust isn't giving his all in the
summer because it's not a real game.
I don't know. But I I'm really ready to to
demote him to pure special teamer at this point.
Yeah, I don't, I don't think that's a wrong call as far as

(02:30:26):
anyone else. Obviously Mikko, Mikko played
himself off the team. Yeah.
And that would, you know, on on special teams.
I think, you know, The thing is like he's an average wide
receiver. And if he had, if he had a shot
of like making the roster as a wide receiver, which he just
never had a shot because we haveso many draft picks in here.

(02:30:46):
Yeah. And then he, you know, got beat
out by Malik Keith on offense. He did.
So, you know, sorry Hardman, youdefinitely played.
Yourself out of there. I kind of feel like the rest of
this tier is solid and like whenyou look at everybody K Malik
Willis and and like maybe we're too high on Malik Willis to, you

(02:31:07):
know, to have him in an average.But you know, it's like.
Average is a backup, right? Average is a backup, yes.
Emmanuel Wilson, average Ben Sims, maybe slot in there as
reliable starter instead of average, but he's like at least
halfway between the tier, the two tiers, right?
Malik Heath, average Shawn Ryan,he probably is what he is.

(02:31:28):
I don't know that he's still improving at this point.
If he can stay if if, if he could become consistent and I
just don't know if he can't, if he could become consistent,
which is a mental thing. You know, maybe with age comes
maturity and the ability to kindof stay focused.
And maybe that is what lets him turn the corner to just stay a
reliable starter. Because.

(02:31:50):
Clearly he can hit. That level at times, yeah, he
can hit it frequently. He just can't hit it every
single week. So you know, I don't.
Know Carl Brooks? I love him, but you know,
obviously as far as an NFL defensive tackle, he's he's been
average. Brenton Cox average, but but you

(02:32:13):
know, you've got glad to have him.
Kingsley average. Isaiah Mcduffie, Carrington
Valentine, I would say average. So to me, the guy who sticks out
like a store thumb Keyshawn Nixon is clearly a step below
everybody else in this tier. But I just, you know, I can't
call him a developing project project because he's like almost
30 years old. Far along.

(02:32:34):
Yeah, reliable starter. We have Matthew Golden.
And again, it's just tough to know where to slot him until
we've seen him play a few regular season games.
Could be in the enriched uraniumtier, but like, do we think that

(02:32:57):
he has the low side? You know, have we seen anything
from him? It's just.
It's just. Tough to know where to put him.
Yeah, Chris says, did you guys hear the buzz that Reed is now a
tradable asset when healthy? I just don't know like where
this would where the story wouldcome from.
You know, yeah. I don't like the Packers leak

(02:33:21):
some stuff intentionally sometimes to further some goals
that they have, but also not a lot leaks out of 1265.
Yeah, I don't I'm not buying into this.
But also somebody earlier told us that the thing about Rodgers

(02:33:44):
calling about Dobbs was actuallyfirst posted by Bill Huber.
So I did not go verify that. Did you do you do you know if
that's a fact? I did not verify it on the live
stream. I can double check.
So if this says I believe that Reed seems like a trade
candidate to me. I the thing to me is that I
think. The problem with.

(02:34:06):
Trying to trade read right now is that you're selling low,
right? Like the last time that we saw
Reed, he was playing like crap and now he's hurt.
So you're never going to get less value for him in a trade
than you would right now. So that just doesn't make any
sense to me. And also, if you were going to
trade a receiver, Dobbs is the guy who makes sense to trade

(02:34:27):
because of his contract situation.
You are. You have an extra year of read
that you don't have with Dobbs on the contract.
And the Packers, by all reports,are not interested in giving
Dobbs a new contract. Things could change, but as of
the most recent information we have right now, they don't want
to pay Dobbs. So, you know, are we just saying

(02:34:48):
like, oh, the plan is Savion andWix and golden is the plan like
pay Christian Watson? I I just it just it seems like a
weird, really weird time to me to trade read.
Yeah, I'm trying to like follow on like either like the live

(02:35:10):
updates and analysis thing. I'm not seeing it tool for this.
When your when your room has drop issues, you don't trade one
guy with good hands. So a friend of the program
Packer night podcast was doing abreakdown on how the Packers

(02:35:33):
wide receiver drops compared to the rest of the league and it's
bad. Like whatever you think it is
just in your head. It is so much worse when you
actually break down the numbers.So I think.
I think it's Reed and Dobbs are the two guys who have had the

(02:35:56):
best hands during their time in Green Bay.
Or maybe Mike Heath because of the smaller sample size.
But but like it's bad. Like Reed, his rookie season I
think was the best year by drop rate that any of the current

(02:36:22):
Packers wide receivers have everhad and it was still worse than
average across the league. And then you look at like what?
Dobbs career drop rate is it's like 3 times what the average
drop rate is in the NFL. It's it's bad.
And then Wix, you know, last year.
He had like what A. 17 or 18% drop rate and like the the

(02:36:46):
average is approximately like 4 to 4 1/2 percent.
And that's not that's not like 4and 4 1/2% for wide receiver
ones. It's just like 4 wide receivers
in the NFL. So it's it's bad, yeah, Ayers

(02:37:06):
says is is that Mcduffie I see in average?
I see him as pure special team or depth piece.
Much rather have Welch over him too.
Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot of
hate for Mcduffie as a defensiveplayer and I get that he is a
lot stiffer than a lot of the other guys in that room.
I just don't think Welch is really a defensive player and

(02:37:31):
like Mcduffie is a thumper as a tackler.
And that's that's something thatI value.
But again, you know, we're, we're we're quibbling about a, a
guy who is really not a starter,You know, I mean, maybe he is.
Maybe he's our linebacker 3. I would think at this point it's
probably maybe like a Mcduffie Hopper rotation.

(02:37:55):
This is kind of my expectation, but we'll see.
Yeah. The rest of the reliable starter
tier, go ahead. Go ahead.
About Aaron Banks at all, yeah, I was super worried.
I thought he looked terrible in the bits that we did see him.
And again, I didn't like him in San Francisco.

(02:38:16):
So I am nervous. I am nervous, yeah.
I would hope that he can be a reliable starter for us, but I
don't know about that. Yeah.
And the fact that the Packers seem to be trying to replace him
already, which is crazy 'cause they cannot get out of this
contract, they have to pay it like they are stuck with this

(02:38:38):
contract. But the fact that there's they
seem to already be trying to find a different option for left
guard is mega concerning. Yeah, no, it is.
So we'll monitor the situation. All right.

(02:38:59):
We've already talked about enriched uranium in great.
We have Rasheed Walker, Devante Wyatt, Brandon McManus, Rashawn
Garrett. Did you have some?
Sharon can't do this anymore. I can't.
I can't do this anymore. I I I can't.
Thank you. I agree.
We must stop this right now for the listeners.

(02:39:24):
I mean John, who is tweeting Micah freaking Parsons, which I
think it's just like probably just, you know, just a a blanket
statement of like is he good football player type of thing,
right? But man, are we done tonight.
Are we are we are we a good Shay?

(02:39:48):
Shay, are you OK? I'm stunned.
You OK? Because Kuhn.
Kuhn works for the team. I know.
I know what's going on. I'm stunned.
What's going on here, man? All right, look, this this this
changes. This is interesting.

(02:40:09):
Kate Cake and again, I I think Kate is awesome stuff And and.
I think she's like takes it so seriously and not seriously at
the same time, which is like perfectly walking the line,
which is exactly what you shoulddo to have fun.
But like this is as JJ said, he works.
He's on the broadcast for the preseason.

(02:40:33):
And two of this says John Kuhn wouldn't tweet that if it was
real. I.
I unfollowed Kuhn after he was tweeting crap about the Packers
during the whole Aaron Rodgers thing because he's buddies with
Aaron and so I didn't see this. I may have to re follow him

(02:40:56):
again. This is this is just shocking
what's going on here? I'd here's the thing too.
OK, so like we're doing this live on YouTube.
There's going to be people I can't potentially, I can't
listening to the audio playback of this tomorrow morning.

(02:41:18):
They're going to be sipping their coffee and they're,
they're going to, you know, listen to the beginning of this
episode 2 hours and 40 minutes ago and be like, oh, man, listen
to them doubting. And like, you know, we already
know about this trade that's finalized or whatever.
Yeah, what's going on? This is crazy.
Can I? It's #11.

(02:41:39):
It's probably it's still. Probably nonsense, right?
I mean, what Accurate. OK, what do you got now?
Is Jaden what's good? What's going to happen to Jaden
Reed? Is he giving him 11?

(02:42:04):
I mean, I mean if Parsons is getting paid 45,000,000 a year,
he probably will just pay Jaden Reed for 11.
I don't know what Jaden Reed's. Could this create a trickle down
effect where a bunch of guys let's?
Go. Start swapping numbers.
Who really need to swap numbers?Like for example, Whoa whoa, no,

(02:42:25):
hold on, hold on. I'm sorry, but I don't give a
crap that Malik Willis is wearing #2 give it to Matthew
Golden, our first round pick. I don't care about our back.
I purchased a Matthew golden #22T-shirt though recently.
Yeah, and the Packers can reimburse you for it.
They got plenty of. It's not from the Packers side,
but it could be a good novelty. I don't know.

(02:42:46):
But yes, I agree. Him wearing 2 is the way. 22 is
a stupid number for a receiver and you can't convince me that
it's not. I don't know.
Chris says Kuhn just got himselffired.
I did see a bunch of people tweeting about like, oh, you
know, the Cowboys have not givenpermission to Micah Parsons to
seek a trade, blah, blah, blah. What's going on here?

(02:43:09):
That's nothing Like, we don't know that it's Micah and the
Packers talking. It could, it would probably be
the if there's a trade, then it's the Packers and the Cowboys
talking. Chris says Carrington Valentine
should have stayed 37. He should have 'cause I can't
remember what his new number is.I never can remember it.

(02:43:29):
OK, you know what 24 is, which was a good number, but like
they're both right now. 37 was cool.
That was a badass thing. Nobody has to No, he he changed
because he wanted to change. He changed because he wanted a
new number. Honestly, it was his idea.
Honestly, I feel like I feel like hadn't Kamal hadn't stock

(02:43:55):
up. If you go to 37, my dog from 36
simply because you're a corner 36 to me will always be a safety
number for this team, right. What will 36 to me, it's always
a safety number, right? If he goes a 37 bad corner
number. If he goes 37, I'm I'm, I'm
leaning forward in the chair. OK, There's a there's a lot of

(02:44:18):
guys who need to change numbers.Yeah, 100% for sure.
For sure. There's some bad numbers on this
team. Really bad numbers.
I don't know, man. I don't know.
This is the the Yeah. Dirchell just hopped back in the
chat. He said, OK, I'm back.

(02:44:38):
Coon changes the whole conversation with Parsons.
It does. Like, are we all can't, you
can't discount a guy who works for the team suddenly tweet?
And not just like tweeting like eyeballs or anything, but like
being very specific. I'm going to be, I'll just say
I'm going to be really annoyed if his tweet is, if he later

(02:45:04):
comes out, he's like, oh, you guys are reading too much into
it. I'm just saying like, he's the
man, you know, like that is going to tick me off.
That will be really annoying if that's what he's doing.
I I fear that it's probably whatit is.
But like, yeah, see, I, yeah, 100% on this, by the way.
Yeah, I, I think somebody's got to do it.
Oh, Haben 37. Would would would Hobbes doing

(02:45:24):
it change it for you? Do you feel real good about that
or do you like 21? I feel like 21's good, but you
know, 21 has kind of been a curse, honestly.
Like nobody's been good in 21. Like ha ha.
Was good for a minute and then he wasn't.
I don't. I don't think so.
Are we staying live until news breaks?

(02:45:45):
No. I have to get off of here
because Missus Leahy has to go to bed.
But will I be on my phone until the news breaks?
You betcha. I'm, I'm grabbing one of my
redacted energies. I'll be up.
I, I, I put together edge Coopervideo tomorrow anyway, so I'll
be up. Here's what is probably going to
happen is that we're going to end the live stream.

(02:46:09):
So Misses Leahy and I'm going tomove out to the living room and
Jake and I are going to stay on the phone for the next 4 hours
watching all the because, because you know, the next
person that we're going to see is going to be like Wes
Hakowitz. Or.
No, no, no. Larry McCarron.
Is he on Twitter? I don't know.

(02:46:30):
That's an X. Larry McCarron is the answer.
I don't. I just I, I, I don't know what
we're doing. I'm not saying.
Like I want it to be real. I.
Just yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know it.
It just would be exciting and like, look, he's an elite

(02:46:52):
player. It feels like it's to me like
this. It feels like the first round
receiver thing a little bit thisyear where it was like I like
golden, right. At the same time, I liked a lot
of players that were also there,right.
It's kind of like I, I, I like the direction the teams going
with young players who can take a leap, but I also like Parsons

(02:47:15):
a lot. So I don't I I'm trying to like
pick a side and I, I, I feel like I've struggled to.
I was kind of like you, you and I, by the time the draft
started, like you and I had verymuch settled on like this is no
longer the direction that we think the team should go because
we want them to eat their veggies first and go get, you

(02:47:36):
know, these players that you know, who are solid first round
positions and you know, had our had some concerns about Matthew
Golden, but it was nitpicking. And then when we realized that
it was him, right? So he was like, yes, he's like
converting, converting, converting.
I forgot about that. Yeah, right.

(02:47:56):
And so we were like, big on that.
That was a big number for him, right?
And there was so much to like, for sure.
And it was just kind of like, maybe we just didn't quite like
because of last. It was hard to reconcile this
Class A little bit with last. I still think there was plenty
of talent at the top, right? But I think it was a shorter
list, and somehow they didn't fall as far as the others,

(02:48:18):
right? And so, yeah, I think there were
a little bit of veggie talk, right?
Harmon didn't make it, but the way the first round fell.
It kind of got to the. Point where we didn't have a lot
of other options besides MatthewGolden.
Yeah. And like the tackles really the

(02:48:38):
the Ohio State tackle Simmons and then like Connor Lee was
like the like, oh, they're like going to take their time with
this one. He's not playing and he'll play
next year type of thing, right. Like that was the longer, even
longer term project. And it was like, oh, are they
going to take like Amos, Right. Oh, there's a lot of smoke on
Hairston, right. Yeah.

(02:48:59):
And Will Johnson was falling. And so it was kind of like, OK,
the the veggie, he was still in our our top echelon for sure.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
It was just kind of like. And by the time, by the end, I
hate what? All right, I gotta shit.
Help, help me interpret this. He's not an insider, but he's

(02:49:23):
saying that people are talking to him.
So what? Help me interpret this.
What is this, bro? What?
What do these emojis mean? So obviously the cow is
Wisconsin, right? Or bowl cowboy.
Cowboy to cheat. Oh, wow, let's go, bro.

(02:49:46):
I can't do this anymore. I can't, man.
What are we doing? Isa Butler's tweeting this.
This truly, we can't be doing this right.
It's oh, wow, big, big transaction.

(02:50:08):
The Bills are signing Sam Franklin, huge bro, huge.
Somebody quote tweets that because Aaron Wilson has all the
Oh my gosh, I yeah. I just feel like it's AJ.
I'm just still very worried. It's a just say like, hey, can

(02:50:28):
you help us out? Micah's Micah's team help us
out. Get this price up like I don't I
don't we can't be doing this, but but then why is Coon falling

(02:50:48):
for it? I don't know, man, I don't know.
Coon is the only reason I'm taking this at all.
I know I was not until Coon. I really want and that's not a
slight on Easton right, Who you know, obviously is is picking
up, you know guys that are meeting right in all this like
yeah, Coon doing it. So Bungie chatterbug in the chat

(02:51:11):
said it's got to be BS. What would the trade even?
I mean, do you want? I don't know if you want to no,
it's going to be it's got to be two ones for that's the starting
point and it's probably more yeah, but it's not 2 ones for
Micah. It's 2 ones for one year of
Micah and the honor of paying him market rate.

(02:51:34):
Yes, correct. It's it's it's paying 22 ones to
get ahead of everybody else in the in the the bidding line.
Like you have a, you have an extra year to be the sole team
negotiating with them, right? Or, or really it's.
Because you're you're, you're. You're going to get to your

(02:51:54):
extension sign like ASAP, Like you're you're not going to
complete the trade until Micah and his agent agree to the the
new deal, right? Tool for that says as long as it
includes Musgrave, I'm good. Yeah.
No, as you said earlier, as you said earlier, A1 and Musgrave is
worth slightly less than just a one by itself.

(02:52:16):
Eddie Machado on X, who knows something we don't.
Of course he does. He works for the team.
He knows a lot of numbers are going up.
By the way, we're over 500 totalacross the platforms right now
because I think that's tough. I have.
To get off, I have to get off here.
I can't, I know we have to I could migrate, I could migrate

(02:52:37):
to the other room, but that would require me to go off
stream for a minute. Jake, do you want to keep going
or do you want to end this? I I just, I here's the thing,
guys here, here's here's I know,I know what's going to happen,
OK? I guarantee you if we stay on
here, we keep going, the trade is not going to happen.
So really it's do you want this trade to happen?

(02:52:59):
Because the second we go off theair, there's going to be
something either oh, I'm just trolling, ha ha, ha, or no, what
this here it is breaking Adam Schefter here we go type of
thing. So it's a real question if you
if you want, you know, the resolution or you know, the

(02:53:21):
speculation type of thing. Is this another Odell situation?
Hold on before you answer that, I don't know, should I, should I
go off stream for a second and migrate to the other room or do
we need to end this? I mean, if we want to stay on
for like another 10, that's totally fine.
And like, you know, if people are going to flood in and and
say hello and then we're gettingsome folks, I mean, we got 17 on

(02:53:43):
YouTube. I think that's probably, I mean,
we're over 500 total. Like it seems like we have we
have 500 on X alone. Yes, yeah.
I mean, I I'm fine. I'm fine with stigma.
Marques Velda's scantling is going to either the 49ers or the
Steelers. Steelers.

(02:54:03):
That's a lot of speed on the field for Pittsburgh.
All right? I'm gonna go offline for like 2
or 3 minutes and get set up in the other room and then I'm
gonna come back on here. And and we'll go a little.
Bit longer, so yeah, that's fine.
Let's do that. And hey, maybe it's to kill the
time while we're watching these come in.

(02:54:24):
Maybe you guys want to sponsor amock draft.
Well, there you go. Now we're just saying, Jake, see
if you can collect some Donuts for a mock draft.
I will. I'm gone.
I'll give you a little spiel here for sure.
OK, JJ's gonna reset so really quick For those who are watching
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(02:54:46):
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So yeah, if y'all, if y'all wantto hop in over there from X and
and you want to hit that sub button, throw a little like down
there, that'd be sick. But if you want to hang on on

(02:55:08):
Twitter, that's totally fine. We're over 500 on Twitter.
That's that's awesome stuff. Now for those on YouTube, right,
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you want to you want to hit a don't know, because we we
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(02:55:28):
YouTube. You can always go to the Venmo
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We will do a mock draft. We can go back in time for a
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season, so that's maybe not top of mind, but if that's something
you'd like to see, we can make that happen.
If not, that's OK. Just chill.

(02:55:49):
We're going to be on for maybe alittle while longer and yeah,
we'll, we'll see what happens. I I imagine we're not going to
hear anything tonight, but you never know.
I got some bears fans that I follow that are getting or

(02:56:11):
panicking. And so that's that's always
interesting, right. So Budgie Cheddar bug you all
are staying on all night. I simply don't think we can
because if you all want more content, that's that's I got to
get off and do some of that on top of it.

(02:56:33):
But United Bates saying I'll be excited if it happens, but not
I'll disappoint if it doesn't. I I feel like I'm on.
Yeah, I feel like I'm on both onboth of that as well.
I feel like I can I can sit on the fence to be like, if it
doesn't happen, that's totally fine.
We're not there yet. And then I'll just be all in
right if it does to over the saying.
Adam Schefter loves to break news at 3:00 AM.
Milto, what's going on? Maybe we didn't say hello to

(02:56:54):
you, but welcome in. We've seen, you know, throwing
some comments on there. Appreciate you checking us out.
Yeah, we have seen the Packers have a trade on table for
Parsons, 45,000,000 per year. Obviously draft picks, Cowboys
getting a player back. That would probably happen in
the scenario. Trying to think who it would be.
Maybe it's Van Ness, right? You.

(02:57:14):
If it's Van Ness, I think you know Dallas has him.
And oh, the Western Michigan guy, the Western Michigan guy
who I can't think of right now, but I did a video on him, so
I'll find him shortly. Which guy was it?
It is Marshawn Nealand that's what I was thinking of.

(02:57:38):
So those two guys, I mean, that's a more heavy-handed duo
on the edge. Maybe makes sense if they're
trying to do that philosophically.
So that's maybe possible. Probably Gary.
That would be that's that's interesting that Dallas would
take on a bigger contract for that.
But you know, whatever that thatwould be interesting.
You would think they would want a younger player going back, but

(02:58:01):
tool for the same Venmo for the mica, for the mock mica trade,
that would be interesting. We could probably make that
happen pretty easily on PFFS simulator.
Eddie asking any chance we get Simmons back?
I don't think so, unless it's like super dire for special
teams. Maybe he comes back on the

(02:58:22):
practice squad, but I'm sure he's going to be looking other
opportunities first. So we'll see on that front.
I don't think it's I don't thinkit's zero.
I would think though, it's it's more likely than not we don't
see him because especially if Welch sticks around for practice
squad stuff, who's done some special teams work as well.

(02:58:44):
So I I would think they would gothat direction instead of
Simmons. But no, you never know.
But I would lean no over yes, could do a trade similar with
the Bears. Gave up for Mac.
That's possible. We could definitely do that to
all of this. Just along for the ride.
No matter what happens to all ofthis.

(02:59:05):
I wouldn't want Micah for Gary or LVN.
The appeal to Parsons is in the game with those guys.
Yeah. I mean, it certainly makes run
defense a lot easier if he's in with them rather than kind of
taking on the defensive end rolehimself.
But I mean, if Green Bay is is actually interested, they must
have a plan in place that they feel comfortable enough either
that Parsons is going to be on the field a lot to the point on

(02:59:28):
on in base defense. He's the Sam linebacker in
nickel. They still want him out there
even on early downs, which is a little bit concerning to me
personally. But they must have the plan in
place. Are they going to play him at
linebacker some as well? I don't know.
Maybe that's maybe that means Quays going back there.
It is perhaps the young player that would go back in the
Parsons deal. I guess that's not out of the

(02:59:51):
question, but you know, maybe that's what they're thinking.
You know, they need bigger, bigger bodies at linebacker and
that's somebody they would look at who's, you know, they would
obviously have to pay because hedoesn't have the 5th year option
picked up. But maybe that's something that
that they're talking about as well.
Don't know. Again, this is all speculation.
Assume potentially that they're probably talking about it.

(03:00:12):
But you know, hello and welcome again.
How do I sound good? Sound good?
Went through a lot of the comments.
Eddie was asking if we were going to get Simmons back.
I said it's not 0, but more likely than not we don't see
Simmons back. We're talking about like players

(03:00:35):
that could go to Dallas if this trade goes down, you know, would
would mentioned LVN if they're looking for an edge player going
back where it's kind of talked about like Nealand and LVN is
very much a heavy-handed bigger DN duo type of thing.
Maybe it's Quay though. They need to get bigger

(03:00:57):
linebacker very clearly in Dallas.
Like they let me let me pitch another idea to you.
OK, Edrin Cooper. That would be really tough.
No, thank you. Yeah, but yeah, but if you're if
you're Dallas, are you asking for Quay Walker?
I don't think you are. I think you probably would ask
for Edrin Cooper, certainly, butI I feel as though that would be

(03:01:22):
somebody who is untradable at this at this juncture.
But but it's Micah Parsons don'tknow what they're thinking.
Yeah, I don't is is Parsons going to do some of what Cooper
does? That would be that would be an
interesting. I'm I'm more so just trying to

(03:01:42):
think like what type of package is moving the needle for I know
Dallas. Because I the other, you know,
I, I don't think. That the Packers want to give up
two firsts and like obviously would don't really want to even
give up one first. I think they would, you know, be
more in the realm of like, let'sgive up a second or multiple

(03:02:03):
seconds. And, and, and who are some
players that then move the deal,move the needle for Dallas.
And so I think Edrin Cooper is somebody in that in that vein,
you probably toss a wide receiver in there to sweeten the
deal, 'cause I think that Dallascould still use a third receiver

(03:02:24):
I'm gonna look at. Their how are they set for?
Safety right now, not that we have like a surplus of safeties,
but let me there's there's not alot of spots in the roster where
we have a surplus of players. Let me, let's do this.
Milto. How do you say your name?
Milto? Milto.
Milto says if we do send a player back, then I won't want

(03:02:46):
to hear about the first and second draft picks going to
Dallas. Dershow says even if the trade
doesn't happen, the rumors alonehave caused enough pain for
Cowboys fans to enjoy all of this.
That makes sense. The Cowboys aren't in the corner
room. The problem is we aren't either,
so they're not really going to look there.
Oh, too old for this, says Rashid.

(03:03:07):
Could be in play. Are they set for?
Both. Tackles.
So. So that makes sense.
Oh, or Jordan, I forget. I forgot that they have as a
rock. They may not.
They may not want defensive end as a Raku Neeland.
They might not I I tend to thinkwe are not moving on from Gary

(03:03:31):
or LVN. I would think not actually.
OK, here's here's here's where the the linebackers, I think
come into play right. Damone Clark 4th year, not much
to say. Shamar James is a rookie.
He's undersized. Look at 2:22.
We still going to try that that nonsense.
Lufow's bigger, Kenneth Murray'sbigger Sanborn.

(03:03:55):
Meh, right. Like I don't do they not is this
not updated how it is? But it's just like, oh gosh, OK,
hold on, let's go by numbers here just because it's going to
get really confusing. Their rookie tort, their rookie.

(03:04:20):
Who's their rookie? Oh, oh, their second year guy.
Yeah. Tyler Guyton did tear the ACL.
Yes, their second year player. Yes, that is true.
So he'll be on IR. He won't even be on here.
BB at center. Guyton obviously was the guy
tore the tore the ACL, right? He's in his second year.

(03:04:46):
Yeah. Johnny Cornelius, Terence
Steele, and you obviously have Tyler Smith, who's an anchor
player for them at this juncture.
Yeah, Rasheed's in a contract year and that would that's
probably the needle mover, I would think.
Wow, 591 on Twitter. My goodness.

(03:05:07):
I'm I'm thinking. Over 600 now I'm thinking
Rasheed or Jordan Morgan and that's probably true.
Edrin Cooper and then and then maybe you're maybe you're
looking at a second or third round pick.
Yeah. Because I mean, when you look at
this and then and then we have to pay Micah.

(03:05:29):
It's no matter what you do, it'sa brutal deal for the Packers
probably like Micah has to deliver.
Yeah, guiding towards ACL, second year player was set to be
their left tackle. So they might be looking for
sure. Not to mention, like, we're
looking at like, Johnny Cornelius, who's a rookie,
right? Terence Steele's obviously, you

(03:05:51):
know, a veteran, but like, he has been their weak point on the
O line for quite some time and they paid him a lot to do so.
Yeah, that that feels O line is probably where they would go.
I don't know if they need. So Rashid and Annegbare, I feel
like they don't need that. We talked about defensive end

(03:06:13):
and like what it looks like. So maybe they want a young
player. Yeah, I don't.
I mean, we could definitely. We could definitely do a little.
You you want to drop a Benmo up there?
You want a Benmo? Is that from Massive?
It's humongous. I didn't want it that big.

(03:06:36):
Wait, where are you? In the derailed banners.
Yeah, I put it right. Like I didn't want to do the.
All right, try it again. There we go.
Oh yeah, that's that's because this is bubble is better.
Bubble is huge. Minimal does a really good job.
OK, All right. We're we're staying.
This this is this. Is going to end up being our

(03:06:57):
longest live stream ever probably We are staying up late
to keep talking on this with youguys and doing questions.
We will do a mock draft if you guys want to to to keep I'm
going to eat this to pass the time.
Bruce says please no Micah. So Bruce, did you hear?
He said he said y'all are still going.
I went to Walmart and Walgreens.But seriously, thank you.

(03:07:17):
It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun.
Chris says 45 mil is just too much for a non QB no matter who
it is. And Milto says I would not come
off of Cooper. Yeah.
So Bruce, so the reason we're still on is because John Kuhn
tweeted Mike freaking Parsons and of course John Kuhn worked
for the team. And so this this changes things

(03:07:39):
for us. How?
What are you doing? I do you have a four Loko?
I continue to think that that the, the type of package we're
looking at. I, I, the, the Packers are not
going to want to give up to first round picks.
And in fact, I think they will fight tooth and nail to give up
zero first round picks. And so I think that you are

(03:08:00):
probably looking at Rasheed or Jordan Morgan and that probably
would be a scheme that thing about which of those two tackles
are the Cowboys more interested in?
And I, I don't know enough about, about their, their
blocking scheme to be able to answer that.
Plus I, I, I, I think somebody like Edwin Cooper probably is

(03:08:22):
in, in that conversation. I don't think that a defensive
end is what they're looking for.So like I, I, I think we would
have Rashawn and LVN and Micah on the same roster.
And then you're probably throwing in a wide receiver into
the mix as well. And yeah, Bruce, Bruce says it's
going to be Walker. But, but again, like I, I, I

(03:08:44):
think that who the players are is going to have a lot more to
do with what Dallas is insistingon as compensation.
You know, because, because I, I think that the line that Packers
are going to draw in the sand is, you know, no, we're not
doing 2 first round picks or we're not doing any 2 any first
round picks. And so at that point, you know,

(03:09:05):
you are giving up all of your, you're giving up all of your
leverage. We just got a super chat, by the
way, from Michael. Appreciate you.
He said overtime pay go PEC go. And he sent us $12.65.
So 1265. Appreciate you, Michael, love
that. Appreciate you.

(03:09:28):
I. I just again and.
Before the Jon Kuhn tweet. I didn't think this was real.
I really. Didn't.
So I haven't found anything yet.I'm I'm still looking around.
I'm sure I'll find the run scheme here eventually.
But I will say Schottenheimer has talked about pre snap motion
getting Kevante Turpin involved,which they don't have a lot at

(03:09:49):
the running back position either, but they may, I think
they're gonna explore other avenues, right?
They could breeze haul Travis ETN, right, Guys like that.
I don't think they're coming foreither of our guys behind Josh
Jacobs. That seems unlikely.
But they're and like Marshawn Lloyd has no value right now.
Yeah, if we could move off of him, I'd be thrilled.

(03:10:11):
But yeah, they said that. So they're going to pass the
ball a lot. That's not going to be a secret,
right? They have Pickens, they have
Lamb. Ferguson's a a decent option,
right? So I do think they're going to
value pass protection. That kind of leaves both on the
table and obviously one of thosetwo has years left on the

(03:10:33):
contract. I just realized Michael is
United Bates. I was, I was not gonna, I was
not gonna say his last name, butthen I realized that he goes by
his last name on here. So it says Michael Bates.
So that's United Bates. I in my head, I was just
thinking of him as united. And so that's why this didn't
click for me right away. I was looking through, I was

(03:10:55):
like, which person is? Michael.
Who the heck is Michael? Appreciate you United Bruce says
they can have Lloyd too often says the contract levels would
play heavy in this trade. I mean, I I think we know what
what the contract is and you know, the Packers are.

(03:11:17):
I don't think the Packers are going to have to care so, so
much about what the the guarantees and the signing bonus
are all in that in the same way that they normally do.
Because Michael just wants his deal so badly and he doesn't

(03:11:40):
have a lot of leverage because the Cowboys still hold his
rights for another year. It's, it's just, it's a little
different than their usual situations.
Eddie on X says, What do you think of the Kay Adams tweet?
I can find that one real fast. She just tweeted like, guys, no

(03:12:01):
way or something like that. Like, yeah, when when she
tweeted that, that was that was it definitely made us take it
more seriously. But then like John Coon works
for the team and was very specific.
Like you don't have to read between the lines.
It's there's only two, there's only three possibilities with
this John Coon tweet. 1 is that it's legit.
OK. 2. Is is that when he says Mike are

(03:12:28):
freaking Parsons? He comes out later and he's
like. Oh, you guys are?
Overreacting. I just was saying like how crazy
would it be? And he's such a good player.
That would tick me off. It would for sure because it's
clearly engagement bait, no question about it.
It's if if he was just doing that, then he's either like

(03:12:48):
walking it back or he's being a jerk about it.
And then the third possibility again, is that sick?
If we could get just off our hands being used as leverage
like they almost always are. And in that.
Case It's still possible that news of this leaked its way to

(03:13:10):
John Kuhn through his many friends and connections.
Very possible and so that's thatis that's out there that that
could be a thing yeah Chris, I did not like that comment no,
we're not putting remove that one delete that comment.
Oh, I can't delete it for some reason.
That's OK. Let's see.

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Bruce says lots of signing bonusto ease the 45 multi year
probably again, he does. You know, we don't know exactly
what the breakdown in negotiations has been between
Micah and the Cowboys, but it seems more like they're
disagreeing about the per year. Like it seems like they they

(03:13:53):
never even got to the per year, right.
That that that they never even really began negotiations.
Like that is kind of how Micah has presented his side of the
story that they never even had the negotiations and that he's
just been frustrated this entiretime because Jerry is out there

(03:14:16):
talking crap about him day afterday after day.
I mean, it has been extraordinarily disrespectful
the way that Jerry has talked about him.
You know, he he did the interview earlier this week with
Stephen A Smith where he's like comparing himself and Micah and

(03:14:37):
Micah's agent and like making this weird analogy.
And in this analogy, the Jerry Jones figure is the Mama and the
Micah Parsons character is the little boy.
It's, it's, it's been bizarre from beginning to end the way
that he has played this. And like, the only explanation

(03:15:00):
aside from that Jerry is just anold out of touch goofball with
way too much money and way too much ego is that he really
didn't want to pay Micah and didwant to get some other assets
out of him. But like still I don't think.
You'd need to pursue. That route to make that happen,

(03:15:24):
Tom said. Do you think this trade gets
done tomorrow or do you think it's all just news and rumors
started from rubbish? So I'll let.
I'll let Jake answer this in a second, but I I I would say I
still. Lean toward.
I'm like 6040 with 60% being it's still nothing, but I'm
still I I would say I'm 40% of the way there to.
It is real. And that's mostly John Kuhn and

(03:15:48):
a little bit Kay Adams. Yeah, the John the John Kuhn
tweet. Yeah, I think like, you know,
again, no, no disrespect to Eason or Kay, They, you know, I,
I think I, I would still say it's I, I would still put out

(03:16:11):
like maybe 2025% that this is going to happen.
This is a good point here. As of right now, Ian Rappaport
and Adam Schefter haven't said anything about it.
That's valid. That's valid for sure.
I just checked my Twitter notifications, there's like 99
notifications. So yeah, that's not, we know

(03:16:32):
what's going on. Looking on Twitter, it seems
Brian Mafi is anti fun. Brian Mafi is anti normal people
fun. And there are some things that
make Brian Mafi extremely happy that he considers fun that are
very Brian Mafi centric. OK, I want to rewind here.
So we got a new person in the chat here on X Stinky Boy.

(03:16:55):
He said, what are we going to give up?
And then Tom replied to and saidtwo first and a second.
Stinky is asking if it's Lucas too.
Looking at their room now. I don't think so.
I think it's more likely they'reasking for Morgan or Walker like
you mentioned JJ Edwin Cooper's probably been talked about

(03:17:19):
potentially Quay, but I feel like it would be more attractive
for Quay if Green Bay had pickedup the option right now that I
think about which wait, did theydid they pick up the option?
Sorry, whose option they did notpick up.
They did not pick up quits. They picked up yeah, they picked
up wise. So yeah, it would be more
attractive. I think if they picked up the
the the 5th year option there tobe like, OK, yeah, you're not

(03:17:41):
going to pay them like massive value.
You get them for two years. You can see and and maybe like a
decent deal down the line or something, but I would think O
line linebacker it. I just don't think I I think as
a Raku Kneeland is probably where they want to go and they
have other guys in the room. Maybe they'd ask for, you know,

(03:18:05):
one of the rooks perhaps. But yeah, I, I'm not sure.
I, I don't think I, I know Gary was mentioned a little earlier
about possibly being that guy. I don't think so, right.
Like I, I just realized why I feel like it would be Van Ness
over Gary, first of all. So yeah, but I just realized the

(03:18:33):
reason that my notifications have exploded, it's because
Cowboys fans found me, quote, tweeting that Coon works for the
team and they are livid. Good, good.
So that's that. But I'm being accused of
engagement farming. All I said is that he works for
the team. What?
How am I engagement farming? The fact that he works for the

(03:18:55):
team, blatant engagement farming.
Engagement farming for sure. You guys guys, you think he
doesn't work for the team or what?
I don't know 700 people literally just they have to like
hover over his name to find out what he does.

(03:19:15):
It's not even hard. Sideline analyst, hackers
network. You don't have to search him.
It's crazy. kevin.gold@longsnap.com.
What is longsnap.com? Is this where they found Matt
Ostrich? Maybe it's not.
OK. longsnap.com is a blog. Kevin Gold's blog.

(03:19:41):
I I need to share my screen here.
You need to see this. This is this is amazing.
Why does I think I think John Coon have this in his bio.
OK, I don't know. All right, you see this.
I think they're going to try to limit picks.
By the way, Tom, I don't think they're going to.
I don't think they're going to try to give that much.
This is long snap.com, FBS long snappers, NFL long snappers.

(03:20:07):
Like John Kuhn is not a long snapper.
I'm so confused. What is this team long snapper?
I don't know his bio. On.
X lists this Kevin Gold guy as his his contact, like if you
want to talk to John Kuhn. You got to go through this, man.

(03:20:29):
This is his bouncer. This is his receptionist.
Kevin Gold is John Kuhn's receptionist, NFLPA certified
contract advisor and creator of long snapped.com.
Could you imagine if somehow Mr.Kevin Gold is the guy who's
working on, like, a Parsons contract?
Heavy wild. He's a contract advisor for.

(03:20:53):
I never say never. I mean, I mean, I know that
Micah's agent is is Mole Geta, isn't it?
Isn't it Mole Geta? Yeah, it is.
Yeah. So.
Oy vey, Oy, vey. Oh, that's a fun name.
Chris Dijean Kurstev. Now we're doing good stuff.

(03:21:13):
Here we go. There's a flight that leaves
tomorrow morning at 8 from GreenBay to Dallas.
Here's the flight number. I do feel like Musgrave if
there's nothing here. This is a good point.
If there was nothing here, Adam Orient would shut it down.
But they are both smart enough to not speak until things are
finalized. Stinky boy says.

(03:21:34):
Would it be a four year contractextension?
Probably. How old is Micah?
Micah Parson's age So he's 26. So yeah, it'd be 4 years because
he he's under, sorry, he's undercontract for, for this year.
So then. He'd be 31 when the deal is up,
so it'd be 3 or 4 years. They're not doing more than four

(03:21:56):
years. Yeah, No way.
Moolagetta. Sorry, David.
Moolagetta. Moolah.
Yes, of course. That's funny.
I I think my favorite comment was the the flight that we're
now tracking. Yes, I love this now.
So we are mere seconds away at this point from this being our

(03:22:19):
our longest live stream of all time.
We are going way overtime on this for you guys.
We were going to end it an hour ago.
We were, we were, but now we have to.
Chris N says that's 150 million guaranteed.
Why is that 150 million guaranteed?

(03:22:42):
Where do you get that? How do you get guaranteed?
He needs. They're not going to guarantee
his whole contract. Hey, check it out.
Look at the Adam Schefter. Shout out junk shout out John

(03:23:03):
Coon. LOL, look at that.
Face that. Yeah, that's Adam Schefter.
OK, so who's Terence Parsons? Is this his dad?
I don't know. Maybe or is it nobody.
He's got a podcast, real tech pod.
Yeah, I don't know. OK.

(03:23:26):
That's the thing. That is that is the thing,
though, that that kind of like, you know, makes it more unlikely
than not like Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones seriously went on
this whole like special and saidthe Jordan Love LED Packers was
the most devastating loss to them in playoff history.
And he goes, you know what we should do?

(03:23:47):
Terence is Mike's brother, by the way.
Yeah. OK.
We should trade Parsons to that team.
Yeah. I mean, it's fair.
Might be. Bruce says the reason we wanted
Micah over Hendrickson was age, right?
Absolutely. It's not even close.
Like, like, yeah, I am not expecting Hendrickson to have a

(03:24:11):
good year this year. Like it's like statistically,
it's just likely that this is his nosedive year.
Those is never on the same tier for me for for trade candidates
this year. I I honestly never even I really
entertained the thought beyond like just politely, you know,
trying to answer the question for listeners of this podcast
for Trey Hendrickson. Now, I will say Hendrickson

(03:24:35):
certainly a better schematic fitthan Micah.
Like Micah is gonna take some, Jeff Hathaway is gonna have to
make sure that he's using Micah,right.
Whereas Hendrickson was a lot more plug and play.
Yeah, Hendrickson I, I feel muchmore confident playing true
defensive end than Micah in thisdefense.

(03:24:59):
Doesn't mean Micah can't affect the game from multiple spots.
He certainly could, but I feel much more comfortable that way.
However, the Bengals, I somebody, somebody said this and
it was like the Bengals before they before they gave him the
money, right? The Bengals were like, yeah, we,
we don't want to pay him, but you should trade for him and pay

(03:25:20):
him and give us some something back, right?
Like, come on, who, who's who's falling for that, right?
And so, yeah, I think like Hendrickson, I would even have
to feel like, I would have to feel like the Packers are like
top five offensive line in the league.
Receiver room looks great. They can dominate on offense.

(03:25:41):
The corner room looks good. Oh, we need one pass rusher.
That's it. Like that's our that's like we
need this singular thing becauseit's such a shorter window right
then Micah. But I do agree, even going after
Micah is still kind of like putting stress on a unit that we
we kind of think if they make a deep run, it's because a lot of
guys broke out, right? Because it's just it doesn't

(03:26:04):
feel like this team at its at its floor is on that level.
So so you still have Terence Parsons post up here and he says
Jerry's not trading Micah and a darn sure wouldn't be to a
Packers team lol. Micah might be their missing

(03:26:24):
piece. And I, I, I agree that the
Packers I think would have to pay a premium to be the team
that that Jerry trades them to because we know he hates the
Packers. We know how he feels about the
Packers right now. I I feel confident that this is
the order of the teams that Jerry would be least willing to

(03:26:48):
trade Micah or any player to #1 Philly.
I think that's obvious. I think based on the comments
that Jerry has made over the years, I think Washington is the
second the second least likely, then San Francisco, then Green
Bay in fourth and then the Giants in 5th.

(03:27:11):
Yeah, that's right. Do you do you do you think that
I'm, you know, right or close there?
Yeah, I think in division's an absolute no.
I think like truthfully, if I'm the Giants, I'm not even
thinking about it. One right Stinky boy says do we

(03:27:31):
think Parsons where's #0 I'm I'mgoing to go with, hey, I know
the Packers drafted a first round wide receiver this year.
I know we're talking about the making a big name splashy trade
right now, but it's still the Packers.
They still don't want somebody wearing the block O because they
are still just that old fashioned and fuddy Duddy.
They're they're still gonna would they're still gonna say

(03:27:52):
no. Could Reed go to two and Micah
take 11 and Willis find a different number that why would
Reed go well, if Mike, but Matthew Matthew, I know no
Matthew Golden wants to. Why are we Why are we moving
Reed to two? Because because again, if two
becomes available, Matthew Golden wants it.
So then he's a first round pick.We were just talking 5 minutes

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ago about being a being a bubbleguy.
I know I'm just saying like if if if golden sticks.
I still don't understand why theteam like let's the players have
so much say over like the numbers where they're like, oh,

(03:28:38):
sorry, this depth guy, you know,our third string, whatever has
this number and so our first round pick can't have it.
I don't know, like that that makes no sense to me.
Like I'm yeah, it's like, sorry,dude, you are not a first round
pick. Sorry, like Chris says Reed
always wanted one. OK, it it ticks me off that we

(03:29:02):
Packers we're not doing won't give up one No, this ticks me
off because they. They also won't.
Retire it. Either retire it or let people
use it. Don't just say.
Well, it's just something we don't do.
It's just something we don't do.Yeah, two over that says it's 5
retired. Yeah, Paul Herring 5 is it would
have to be. It's not being used.

(03:29:24):
So Adam Schefter, not the real Adam Schefter.
No, it is the real Adam Schefter.
Of course it says. I think there's too many people
saying stuff about it to be a joke.
I'm just going to say I'm I'm not going to buy into the whole
where there's smoke, there's fire thing because there's not a
lot of stuff out there that is like its own unique source.
There's a lot of like piggybacking and stuff.
So like for example the Ricky. Scoops thing.

(03:29:46):
Unless Ricky happens to be the exact same person who posted the
Reddit post, I don't care what Ricky posted because he posted
the same information like 45 minutes after the Reddit one did
and all of us saw the Reddit post making its way through
screenshots on Twitter before Ricky posted his things.

(03:30:07):
He his he was clearly copying the Reddit post.
So unless he's also the same person who runs the Reddit
account, I just don't care what he said.
John. Kuhn and Kay Adams are so far
the only people out there who I have given any weight to who
have post anything. I know Andy Herman said

(03:30:28):
something. Sorry.
He's a podcaster. Like, I'm sorry, you shouldn't
care if I come to you saying hey.
You know. What people are saying like
Herman didn't say, hey, here's who told me something.
OK like you don't have to name drop but you.
But if you're not even going to say like a person in the
organization said blah, blah, blah, so you're not going to say

(03:30:50):
that and your only credential isthat you're a podcaster, I say
this as a podcaster. I don't care.
I have a lot of people message me stuff all the time saying,
oh, hey, here's some insider scoop information.
People who are in NFL circles, who are friends with NFL owners,

(03:31:12):
K People who know stuff. And you know how often?
The stuff that they tell me pansout for like 15% of the time.
So again, I care about what Kay Adams is saying.
Although again, she didn't, she was not specific.
She didn't say it's Michael Parsons.
She didn't say it's the Packers.She just said you guys, period.

(03:31:37):
OK, So she's not willing to stake her reputation on what it
is. She's just being coy and saying
a thing is happening. John Kuhn.
Is being specific now again? Is he going to walk this back
tomorrow or in two days and say.Oh, you guys are overreacting.
I know that what I tweeted was really blatant, but you know

(03:31:59):
it's not what it meant. Is he going to walk it back?
I think most likely he will walkit back.
But again, I'm I'm 6040. I'm not 8020, I'm 6040.
This says Ricky has a microscopeon him right now.
Lots of credibility can be garnered or lost.

(03:32:19):
Bro Ricky is not new to this Ricky.
Ricky Scoops has been doing thisfor two years.
He's gotten more than half of his stuff wrong.
Go look at what he's been writing about Aidan Hutchinson
all year. He keeps saying, yeah, that oh,
the Lions and Aiden Hutchinson, like they've agreed on

(03:32:42):
everything. You know, the ink is still wet.
They're just hammering out the last couple little details.
And then like 3 months later Brad Holmes, the GM of Lions
comes out and says. We want to start.
Negotiations with Aiden's camp really soon.
We haven't talked to them to them yet, but it's a priority
for us. We want to talk to them right
away. And then Ricky comes out and

(03:33:05):
he's like, hey, per my sources, now their deal is done and the
ink is still wet and they're just hanging around the last
couple details as though nobody saw what he posted back in May.
Just telling you, man, he deletes a lot of predictions
that don't come true. He's fun, but that's it.

(03:33:30):
He's fun. Oh man, Bruce, heck yes.
Bruce Edmonds just spoke to my clairvoyant self and the Micah
Parsons trade to the Packers is real because they play the

(03:33:51):
Cowboys at home and they want toimprove their run defence and
trading him to Green Bay so theydon't get run over by Josh
Jacobs. I think getting run over is
inevitable. Well, Basariski tweeted.
My dog told me Micah is coming, guys, much better.

(03:34:14):
I like it better. Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it does seem like Jerry Jones doesn't want Parsons
to have an agent and just negotiate with him directly,
which, whatever. He's sure he's weird.
Yeah. So do we need to go on much

(03:34:34):
longer? I know we're up almost at 800.
I it feels like a crazy thing tostop right now, but I'm having a
blast, man. I really am, man.
I need some redacted energy. Yeah, well, you know, United
Bates sent us enough. Don't know that you can afford a
a redacted. All right, Do we have to do a

(03:34:55):
mock draft if people, if people donate?
No, he said overtime and and we definitely went overtime.
If, if people want to sponsor a mock draft, I, I, I would
definitely do it. I, I can muster up the energy to
stay out and do it. Yes.
OK, I'll be back in 15 seconds with my redacted energy.

(03:35:18):
I'm super tempted to go get myself another redacted energy.
The problem is I have a whole bunch of them in my pantry and I
only ever put one in the fridge at a time because I want to like
slow my roll and so so I'd have to drink a a warm 1.
I don't know if I want to do that, Stinky Boy said.

(03:35:39):
Isn't there rumors right now of Rogers wanting Romeo?
So regarding that, we talked about that earlier.
So Easton Butler posted that Rogers called the Packers and
inquired and and then somebody said that Easton was just

(03:36:03):
quoting Bill Huber, but we don'tknow.
So I just texted somebody. Drew, Drew, Drew, get some
sleep. Get some sleep.
I I have only one. Oh, I love you so much.

(03:36:27):
Thank you. Oh my gosh.
This is a lot of options to lookat.
My wife just brought me just a absolute stack of caffeinated
drinks. I think I'm, I think I'm going
with. Oh, this sounds.
Good, don't cherry slush or you don't want to say hi to the

(03:36:48):
people do but. You're so pretty.
OK, I'm, I'm going to do this one.
I can't tell you what it is because they're not sponsoring
our show, but they make tasty drinks through yes.
So also good luck to Drew. By the way, Drew should
definitely get some rest. So you know, we'll if something

(03:37:10):
happens, we'll probably have to to go again this week in some
capacity. So you probably won't miss out
on anything. I can't imagine this is going to
be done at midnight. We just got a dono from Chris
Kay Adams, 2026 mock DWAFT 7 round.

(03:37:33):
I appreciate it. So that's that mock draft $6.99.
You know what that is? That's a mock draft for you
guys. For who guys, what are you
talking? About I what do you mean it's a
box for you guys? Oh, for you guys, it's a you
guys. So I just got a message from I

(03:38:00):
just got a message from somebodywho does know stuff, unnamed
source, friend of NFL owners, shall we say, like that, that
type of person I was just talking about a minute ago.
So he sent me something and I asked him to reword it into

(03:38:20):
something. He's OK with me staying live on
the pod. So he's rewording it right now.
OK. Oh dear.
All. Right.
Sticky boy says the Adam Phelan thing is so confusing right now.
Well, they, I, I think, I think because of KJ Osborne, because
of KJ Osborne, I think that yeah, changes things.

(03:38:41):
Minnesota, I think Commanders released, the commander's
released KJ Osborne. And I think that the gap between
KJ Osborne and Adam Thielen in Minnesota's offense is not so
great a gap as to make up for the difference in having to pay
Carolina versus not having to pay Carolina.

(03:39:03):
So that's that's a thing. And also for Carolina, I love
the idea of him staying there one, because if you trade him,
your receiver room is a bunch ofrookies in second year guys and
you've you've you've kind of putyourself to you've gotten
yourself to a point where you go, OK, Bryce is is turning the

(03:39:25):
corner. Let's not make this more
difficult here. Like obviously, yes, we got Tet
that's great running back rooms pretty deep.
That's nice. They're trying to get Jatavian
Sanders more involved, even though he's basically a receiver
trying to play tight end. But if you have a trio of Tete,
Coker, Thielen with Legette kindof lurking, right, don't mess

(03:39:51):
that up. Don't mess that up.
So I yeah, I would prefer Carolina to hang on to him as
well. Did you talk about the college
games we had? Not really.
And he said Iowa State old line looked pretty good.
They're tight ends, look solid. I think the old line for Iowa

(03:40:13):
State got better as the game went on.
Their two tackles struggled early, though.
But I do like Brahmer and I don't think it's Buckle, but
it's something like that. Let me check.

(03:40:36):
Oh, it's Berkel. Gay Berkel.
Yeah, Berkel and Brahmer looks pretty good at tight end, I will
say, for Iowa State. So I was thinking, boy, we did
see that Myers was requesting a trade.
Yes, he probably wants more money.
He's realizing he's not getting a lot relative to what some of
these guys are making at 1517 million a year.

(03:40:59):
So. All right, So my my friend who
knows a lot of people and is a trust trustworthy source, he
says I would say that the thing that Ricky scoops posted isn't

(03:41:20):
wrong. The two sides are and have been
talking on and off the record. And then he also said it's more
than fire at this point. I think he meant it's only it's
more than the smoke at this point.
So it's it's more than the smokeat this point.
Only one person could put it out.

(03:41:40):
And his ego is the only thing that would stop it.
So let's translate. That means that the Packers
offer is good enough, and it's Does Jerry hate the Packers so
much that he's gonna say no to this offer?

(03:42:03):
Possibly Eddie. Possibly.
That might be how it goes. You know he says that, Eddie
says. I'd like to imagine all the
Cowboys front offices waiting for Cheerios to fall asleep so
they can pull the trigger on theParsons St.
Honestly, that's so funny. There we go.
He's taken what? Too old for this is going for

(03:42:24):
this is taking one for the team and go to bed now so his treat
can happen the moment I leave. Piece up a down.
What is a down? Piece up a down.
Oh. Oh, that's yeah, that's the his
first name is Aaron, isn't it? Isn't his first name Aaron?
Yeah. Piece up a down.
Yeah. Bruce is a first.
Plus Walker plus Dobbs. I feel like they'd want a
defensive player, but they probably want Walker or Morgan.

(03:42:49):
Maybe they think Morgan's more, Walker's more established, even
though he's entering the contract here, that they may be
more willing. So I'm sure they're trying to
get out of the Steel contract. And Guyton played right tackle,
didn't he, at Oklahoma? Yeah, he did.
He did. That's, you know, yeah.

(03:43:11):
Walker. Oh, Walker would definitely
start because of the injury to Guyton.
But in the future, Guyton probably right tackle and then
Walker would take over left tackle for the foreseeable
future. They'd probably extend him.
Travis M just got to work seeingall seeing a little the chaos on
X Quick sum up, how much BS is this?

(03:43:32):
You want to throw your percentages out there again, JJ,
or do you want to repeat what you said that you got a text
from someone that might might. So quick sum up, quick sum up.
Is that connected people believethat this is real?
Believe that. So connected people believe that

(03:43:59):
the Packers have made a good enough offer.
And we've we've heard this for awhile from a few different
people. We've heard for a while
sprinkled around that the Packers have made very
competitive offers for Mica. Yeah.
And and so, you know, there's, there's a couple people now who

(03:44:24):
have been putting stuff out there publicly that have kind of
bolstered our confidence in this.
And so I'm, I have moved from like I was like a 95.5 of it's
not happening. And this is baloney to I have

(03:44:44):
moved to like a 6040 of 60%. This is the Packers name getting
thrown out there like it often is as a leverage piece.
And then 40% like this is actually happening.
So again, we're getting more andmore and more stuff coming in of

(03:45:07):
people saying these negotiationsare real.
So I'm I'm going to go ahead andsay I.
Think that the. Negotiations.
I think the. Packers have actually made a
serious offer. I do.
I do believe that at this point,I believe they've made a serious
offer. I'm 6040 on whether I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm still only like 40% on that.

(03:45:31):
There are like kind of agreed toterms and it's just whether the
Cowboys actually want to pull the trigger on it.
Does that make sense or is that just, yeah, I get what you're
saying. For me, yeah, it seems like I'm
95.5 that that, that there's been an intense discussion,
negotiations about this happening.

(03:45:51):
And I feel like I'm set still probably in the 70306535 range
of like it actually going down 6570 being, no, they're not
going to trade him because I do think the owner of said team
probably doesn't want to move him, right?
Like I think I think that's which is I kind of

(03:46:13):
understandable, right? Like he's a pillar of your
franchise, so why would you wantto move him?
It's very understandable. So yeah, I, I think that's
probably where I'm at 2 firsts Lucas and a third.
I just don't think it's going tobe Lucas.
I think it's going to be like this.
This seems more likely. I wonder if it'd be 1-2 Walker.

(03:46:37):
Walker, you know? Oh, Rashid Walker and and Quay
Walker. Yeah, but why?
Why would the Cowboys want Quay Walker?
Like, I'm not saying he's bad, but like that he's not a
desirable trade piece. Yeah.
Sorrell. He's worth more to the Green Bay
than he is the rest of the week.Sorrell, not Kingsley.

(03:46:58):
Then maybe if it's Edge. I don't mean it's.
Rough fell to the fourth round. I just can't imagine that a guy
who just got drafted in the fourth round and hasn't played
moves the needle for any team. Yeah, I I just don't know.

(03:47:18):
Somebody texted the obvious. I just don't know.
What else? Somebody texted me and and kind
of reminded me that the players who we're talking about don't
really equal the amount of picksthat we were talking about.
So if we were saying it was multiple firsts, none of the
guys we're talking about come close to being worth a first.

(03:47:41):
Like you couldn't, you couldn't trade Rasheed for a first, you
couldn't trade Edwin Cooper for a first.
So it would take a bunch of guysto equal 2 firsts.
I don't even think like you could trade Rashon for a first.
No, Cooper's the probably the closest thing, and I don't think

(03:48:02):
that's doable even at this point.
Like, is Cooper worth a second? He's probably worth a second
because they spent a second to get him and he's seems to be
living up to it. Yeah, I I would think a second
could probably do that. But yeah, maybe I think Bari
does make sense. I I don't think it's going to

(03:48:23):
be. None of these.
Players that we are mentioning are gonna move the needle for
Dallas. They're they're just, they're
not gonna be in like that's the problem to just group enough
needle movers. The players that you guys are
talking about, like we like them, but other teams are gonna
kinda consider them like our riff raff.
Right 'cause you're not talking about trading Matthew Gold,

(03:48:45):
you're not talking about tradingXavier McKinney.
Like these are the type of players that Dallas is going to
be saying, hey, if you're going to give us players, not picks,
then it's got to be legit players like Xavier McKinney,
like Zach Tom, like, like that'sthe type of players they're
going to be asking for. I know I I get that.
I do think like Walker, though, is probably the exception here

(03:49:09):
because he's played left tackle at a pretty at a pretty good
clip, you know, since he's come in and had to take that mantle.
But again, is he fetching a second?
Round pick in trades? No, I don't know.
I, I, I don't know how how teamsare valuing left tackle based on
what Tennessee did with Dan Moore.

(03:49:29):
I, I don't know anymore. I don't know.
What, what? What was?
What was the compensation in that one again?
He got like 20 / 20 million a year and he's not been good at
all. Like he was not good in
Pittsburgh and Tennessee said you know what, we'll do that.
It's like Walker has done way more than Dan Moore.

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Walker's not going to fetch whatCooper fetches, but I think he
fetches a a decent amount for what he has put on the field,
especially in terms of pass protection.
So if you're Dallas and you're like, we are going to throw the
ball a lot, we want pass protectors.
Like I'm taking Walker over Morgan all day.
Morgan still has the wide hands issue.

(03:50:10):
He's getting better about it, but he still has that issue.
Yeah. This would be sick.
Yeah, I, I'm still, I'm. I'm with you, Adam.
I don't think this gets done. I do think it I, it seems like
negotiations are, are real. But yeah, it'd be, it'd be sick
to know. Maybe Goody in in 25 years will
let everybody know what it was. That'd be nice.

(03:50:35):
So should we do this mock draft and maybe wrap it up for the
evening? Yeah, let's do that.
I'm, I'm having multiple people messaging me with like what they
are hearing, the compensation packages and it's not something
I want to pay. It's five times what I want to
pay. Oh, no, it's easily five times

(03:50:56):
what we've been talking about, 5-7 times what we've been
talking about. I cannot give up a 27 first
going to get Jeremiah Smith, CamColeman or Ryan Williams.
I simply can't you think we're going to be having simply a
picks in the top three. Come on, man.
No, Remember Ryola, Minnie Mahomes, who's really weird

(03:51:18):
fella. He's going high.
I I've heard in the 2027 draft. No, but like Collin Simon, Ryola
going to turn himself into such a high draft like that.
He pushes Ryan Williams or Jeremiah Smith down.
I will say, I will say Ryan Williams has some work to do.
I will say there, there are somethings he has he has some work
to do. I dare you to say the same thing

(03:51:39):
about Jeremiah Smith. No, no, no.
Ryan. Ryan Williams does, though.
No, Jeremiah Smith. Cash, straight cash.
Hold. So this this mock death we're
about to do here is sponsored byChris.
Appreciate you, Chris. If anybody else would like to
hop in with the oh, Eddie says what about Kenny Clark?

(03:52:00):
I would love them to take a pickto get them to take Kenny Clark.
I think so that feels like an Osweiler thing of like, hey,
we'll give you a pick to shed this contract type of thing.
I don't I don't think Dallas is going to be jazzed up about
Kenny Clark. Truthfully, it's good.
It's good to happen. I'm out peeps at 11:11 There you

(03:52:22):
go make a wish 1111 your time. Yes, make a wish everybody.
I just it seems not going quite what Khalil Mack went for seems
crazy to me. Two first, a third and a 6th
that is. So what Adam just said is pick

(03:52:46):
wise what I heard, but what I heard also has players as well
on top of that. Yeah, makes sense.
Yep, 100% Chris, the sponsor of the box draft.

(03:53:08):
I agree. I agree with your assessment.
Yeah, so that's a good one to bookmark.
Keep Adam's comment in there in case we need it for future
reference. But here we go.
We can only go 5. I can't go 7.
This is really annoying. PFF, they just don't have enough
players. We're just running out of
players. Maybe we'll have to go to the

(03:53:30):
other guy that crashes sometimes, but here we go.
We're off. We roll here seeing what we're
going to get in a five round mock draft here 21.
We've kind of gone down the sameRd. a lot here.
JJ do we want to? I don't think I want to twist it

(03:53:51):
too much like don't want to shake it out.
Zane Durant corners. Do you have?
Any interest in deny Denis Sutton in Green Bay?
Like he's a little bit of a weird schematic fit.
I mean, he but he is, he can do it, right?
I don't know what this apostrophe 0 quotes is.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/6 though.I think it can work, but yeah, I

(03:54:15):
do. He is maybe.
Do you think he's a little wiry,little too like thin?
I definitely think that he's on the small side.
He he's definitely on the small side to me.
Like if if we were a 3-4, I'd bemore interested.
I my. Thing.
With it's still on the big Sutton 3-4 guy, what's his age?
Isn't he kind of getting up there in years?
21 point now. 21 and a half. Oh, wow.

(03:54:37):
He's young. Yeah. 20.
Yeah. Here we go, 20.
One which? Is crazy he's been a contributor
for as long as he hasn't. If he's 21, yeah.
This is Adam. Adam, this was his guy last last
fall coming into the season. I remember him commenting on a
video. Maybe he was really out last
year. Yeah, that is right for now,

(03:54:58):
which I think is fair. It's not small.
But I will say when you look at him, you wonder how he's
carrying 265. He does look a little thin for
the position. Tariq SAP I think is bigger this

(03:55:20):
we can do, we can work with that62274 I think we get the corner
now. What do you say?
You want to ask? I think I think at this point we
need to take multiple corners honestly is the problem.
You want Muhammad to put the putthe weight on?
Well, a year from now, he probably will have put the

(03:55:42):
weight on. So I'm comfortable.
I don't know that I'm that nervous about.
I'm comfortable at this point, yeah.
Yeah, let's. Let's go, Mohammed, and then
come on, give me who? I want well, who else is well
who? Else is still.
Available at corner though, because I, I think that we're
gonna double down in multiple corners in the in this draft.
I, I feel that's likely we'll delay this.

(03:56:02):
So lane might be, but we've taken him before.
So let's get we haven't talked about Nawamba at all.
Go back to no, we haven't we haven't.
That's interesting. Is he really listed at corner?
I mean, he I 'cause he was he was the same low slot number,
but he had slot numbers in 23 and and and 23 was better more

(03:56:26):
in the slot, less in the box. Well, no, actually, he was just
doing. My guy was just doing
everything. Can your guide Illinois play
outside corner? Maybe, maybe not Impossible.
He might be able to. But yeah, Monpa might be the

(03:56:51):
slot. I want to check the tackle
though. Big citrus 2026 big citrus, big
citrus 2026 How do we feel? Not a lot of snaps from Chris

(03:57:18):
Christian Miller, but could be some Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
no. We got to do this, I think in
the a gap to JJ give me that allday.
I think I'm I'm OK with it makesme sad.
We're not going corner again, but I I love Dante Corleone.

(03:57:41):
I really do. We got it.
We got to do it. I I think he's a good schematic
fit. I Dominique orange.
We can go big citrus. I I'm sure we talk about big
citrus for a long time. So the mailman do you say, is
his name mailman? No, I think it's Baldwin.
I just wanted to say mailman forfun.

(03:58:02):
Harold Perkins. I'm so out.
We can't do this, buddy. Find a spy.
You can't play it this way. I I don't think this this is
like at at best, he's like Isaiah Simmons Prospects.
Yeah, that's the problem. When you can get ACJ Allen,
who's got at least a little moreon him.

(03:58:25):
We need, like, do we need our guy here?
If he's still here, I don't wantto take him because we've taken
him so many times. Well, we've simply just begun.
It's our tackle that we could kick inside.
We talked about Cage Casey before.

(03:58:46):
What is this cat still doing waydown here?
I know. Fan out is a lot higher.
So if Green Bay goes steel lead 15, do we not do that?
Yeah yeah, dog, we're there Adam, don't you worry.

(03:59:08):
We there do I pull an all nighter.
I don't recommend. I do not recommend yo if my if
my notification thing gets a oneby it, especially because I've
muted chats. I'm going to lose my my mind

(03:59:30):
because no and nobody's commenting on my stuff that
that's a Schefter bomb if I've ever heard of 1 I Dude I can't
relate. My my notifications are always
out of control. I don't know why Dunker Dunker
must have gone super early. Nope, he didn't.
He went to 74th. That's a shame.

(03:59:53):
Yeah, this would be super beneficial.
Super beneficial if that would be the case if Dunker was.
Do you have a direction you wantto go in?
I still want corner, man. I still want corner.
It's I'm I'm a defcon 2:00 on. Corner Oh, Key on SAP.
We're going to talk about Key onSAP.

(04:00:16):
John Tez Williams. I don't know John Tez Williams
at all. This might play, folks.
So. So let's see.
He's a red shirt junior. So did he play?
How much did he play last year? He played corner.
He's played a lot for Bro Bro 2 two straight years.
Can I sell you? He is first in coverage stops

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this year and 1st in average step of target.
OK, simply unbelievable through week 0.
All right, all right, I'm I'm incolor me intrigued five 11200 if
that's real, I'll ask Brian about the verifieds, but this
could be a nice double up here. How we feeling?

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Sav's interesting, but I don't think he's playing corner right.
He played a little more slot. He wasn't as good.
But that was first year at Bama,right?
Last year I believe. I believe so.
I use it as a BAM for two years.Is he I?
I thought that was his. That was his second Michigan.
Wasn't it? Who was that?

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Michigan 23. I'm going to.
I'm going to feel like an idiot if he was.
I don't think he was. I think he was it.
Hold on. Can you just.
Yeah, I could be the idiot. Oh, no, no.
He was on the national title team. 2023 Michigan, 2024 Bama.

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That's interesting. Yes, Chris, sorry, let's yeah,
let's do that. This is really let's quickly
yeah, we'll quickly go through this for you or Chris.
This is what we'll do. We'll do the background at the
end when we get through the the five and then we'll kind of
reuse my trackpad on my laptop. I always have a mouse plugged in

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and right now I use my trackpad and it's making me so slow with
everything I'm trying to look up.
So key on Saab was at Michigan in 23.
Yes, 22 and 23 and then and Bamafor 24.

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So yeah, you were right. Wanna make sure we got that
established Yeah, John Tez, goodball skills, physical coming
downhill tackler, works through screens, did a lot of good stuff
last week actually. Yeah, he's they say he doesn't

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have pro typical height, which yeah, he's like five 10511.
But if he's in the one 90s to 200 like he will be in.
Robin Mosky tweeted an addition at linebacker seems possible
tomorrow, especially if another player or two goes to IR.
Christian Welch was told nothingabout that as a possibility per
source, but we'll see what happens after waivers.

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So like, this clearly has nothing to do with Mica.
That's just hilarious. So he says an addition at
linebacker seems possible. That's funny.
Oh my gosh, that's crazy. That is hilarious.
Yeah, I I feel like they didn't want to go after him.

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Let's let's double up here. Let's go Jantez, and let's see
what happens. Wow.
Mendoza's still here. We talk about backup QB, though.
We talked about it as a possibility.
Yo, if he's good, he's not goingto be anywhere near this spot

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anyway. That's funny.
Classic. No no, no, no no.
What we need is an explosive running back.
Since 1 can't stay healthy, I have to do more diving on the
running backs. J Knott sounds like he's not

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going to start for Oklahoma, which is not ideal, per vague,
unnamed sources. Here's players not being
discussed in a in a trade scenario.
Edrin Cooper, Jordan Morgan, Romeo Dobbs, Josh Jacobs, Xavier
McKinney, Kenny Clark, Jordan Love, Elton Jenkins or Jaden

(04:04:43):
Reed. Those are players not involved
in trade discussions. So this this to me sounds like
heavy on the picks plus Gary or Van Ness maybe like who else we
even have Was she on the knot? Do not she was not mentioned.

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So was she is clearly in there. Tom was not mentioned.
I still can't imagine they wouldeven they wouldn't move Tom.
That would be idiotic. That would be idiotic.
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Zach Tom for Micah Parsons straight up wouldn't even make
sense because Micah's not under contract and Zach is, yeah,

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100%. Like Zach Tom and Micah straight
up makes sense if Micah is undercontract.
Like that's how good Zach Tom is.
Yeah. Maybe because of the position,
Micah not being under contract is equal to Zach under contract.
That that that probably is a thing.

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But you know, then that still doesn't math, right?
Because of all the picks involved in the discussion,
Yeah. That's hard not to do it,
though. Drew says we could draft AQB if

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we let Willis walk. I agree.
But again, does Willis move the needle for him?
I don't think Willis moves the needle for them.
Yeah, gosh, these guys, Barry and Brown, say that, Thank
goodness. I think we got to go online.

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We got to do it to him, I think.I think I'm going to do it to
him. You can't take.
Joanna because we've taken him so many times, we have a he has
to be a Packer. He he has to be a Packer.
But yeah, so we're taking him. I really like his name.

(04:07:01):
We got to do it to him. All right.
I have to admit something, though.
I still, even though I keep saying I'm going to sit down and
watch his tape, I still don't want it yet.
I've seen. Have you sat down and watched
him yet? I've seen some.
Yeah, I like it. He.
I'm surprised he's this slow, atleast so far.
Again, it's only been a couple games, but I'm surprised.

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I really don't want to do that. I mean, you know, the problem
is, Drew is if you go back to this thing, if you go back to
the full draft and we go all theway up here, you'll see that
these Jake Slaughter is going before we can even pick.

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I also know why he's listed as atackle on here.
That makes zero sense at all. He has never played it, as you
can see. As you can see, you're 13172
snaps at the center. But yeah, we can never get him.
That's why. Oh, Adam, you should never say
this. Never say that.

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Drew Aller in round 2°. Dre Aller in round.
Two, How dare you? It's deep for me.
Oh, dear, Drew. Drew is mad that you didn't take
Jake Slaughter. I said like we couldn't get him.
Yeah. Was he was he gone before you
were picking? Yeah, he he's picked at 11.
Well, don't forget, we're not going to have a first round
pick. Well, do we?
Well, we can, because Dallas is going to have it.

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We can make that happen if we want.
We want to do it. Dallas is going to have our
first round pick, apparently forthe next two years.
No. Take the 2028 first.
Take the 2028 first. We don't even want it.
I don't want it. Yeah, but what if What if
Jeremiah Smith stays in college for an extra year?
All right, you can have it. You can have it if you must.

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If you must tackle experience, maybe kick inside.
I think Edrin Cooper, Zach, Tom,Jordan Love and Xavier McKinney
being the untouchables on this team.
Oh, and Matthew Golden makes sense.

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Yeah, there's there's. Yeah, there's zero chance.
Frankly, I think frankly, for the amount of compensation it
would take to go get Micah, I just want Lucas Van Ness to

(04:09:38):
break out and like just be the dude like Rashawn and Lucas.
Because here's the thing, if we have to give up 1 of Rashawn or
Lucas to go get Micah, who againis going to be constantly
lighter, I just don't. I just don't want this.
I just don't want this. I don't want to give up all of
the all the capital to have the honor of paying him an

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exorbitant amount of money. It's like gutting the future of
the franchise for one player. God forbid he gets hurt.
It's it's so. Risky.
And then like OK is, is LVN probably going to break out this
year to be a Micah Parsons type impact?

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No, probably not. But can he be enough of an
impact? Probably.
Like, does Micah make up for howbad our cornerback room is?
Does Micah make up for the fact that we still don't know if this
passing game is going to work? I just don't think that we are

(04:10:47):
the team who should be doing this.
This is. I'll be people's facing running
the football. Here's your man, Oscar Delp.
I like Oscar Delp actually can play tight end too on like a lot
of these guys that I've looked at.

(04:11:08):
Well, that's the thing. Like just like miss me with all
the receiving tight end crap. Just give me guys can block your
face off. You know what's super funny is
there's a guy on here somewhere.Brian and I were talking about
him on a tight end show last week and I'm going to try to

(04:11:28):
find him. He's here somewhere.
And like legitimately, this guy is listed as it's it's RJ
Maryland is the guy from SMU andhe is literally a receiving guy.
And and SMU listed him at wide receiver on their depth chart.

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That's like, yes, thank you. That's what he plays.
So yeah, there there's so many of those guys in this draft,
Lawson Lucky, certainly one of them.
Velling falls into that has Brahmer doesn't.
I think Brahmer, there's a chance.

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Didn't look good this week, but he's 6-7.
Bulk up and be a tackle, my guy.Want to go Delp or do we want to
get another offensive lineman? No, I think there aren't that
many left in this. Yeah, the the the the offensive

(04:12:33):
line group right now doesn't appeal to me enough.
I'm I would be interested, very interested in going Delp or
swinging it at corner again. To me, it's Delper corner.
All right, let's go, let's go Del, since we've got a couple

(04:12:54):
corners. All right, so for Chris, because
Chris was saying he said take Manning year after next.
Oh, anyway, so yeah, let's go over them really quick just as
kind of if you want to give a one liner or whatever for Chris
because yeah, I think it's fair to just kind of rationalize what

(04:13:18):
we're talking about. Adam, you asked about Jada.
Maiava looked more poised as he played more for USC at QB.
Excited to see what he can do with with what what looks like a
fully loaded cupboard. And he he certainly can scamper
around and make plays on top of it.
So yeah, with, with, with lemon.And what the heck is the lemon's

(04:13:44):
name? Makai lemon receiver from UC.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's another guy and I'm,
I'm losing track of what I'm thinking of, but yeah, they,
they could be, they could be at least a very mid but fun.
They could be in the mid but funtier, I think.
So, yeah. Let's talk about this.

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Malik Muhammad Corner from Texasis the first pick here.
And he's he's. Projected right here at like mid
late first round I think. He if he.
Plays again this year like he did last year without, without
taking a huge leap forward. I think this feels a little bit

(04:14:29):
late to me for, for where he's going to go.
I'm I, I, I, I, I think that with how I think he's going to
play, he's going to wind up roughly like a pick 11 through
15 caliber of player. It's very possible.
So the fact that we're getting him here, you know, this far be

(04:14:51):
a kind of an exciting mock to have to look back at, you know,
in in a year's time. Yeah, again, slider frame.
But yeah, I think he has enough to add add weight to play on the
boundary for sure at the next level.
Oh, Jacoby Lane, yeah, that's the other guy from USC.
But one touchdown a lot in 521 coverage snaps last year.

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Really, really good. Love the route recognition
skills. Top notch when he gets to bail a
little bit in zone and get eyes on the concept, eyes on the QB,
does a good job reading it out, does a good job breaking on the
ball and does a good job at the catch point.
All of those things. If he adds weight on, he can be
a boundary corner. If he doesn't, he might fall

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because teams are obviously worried about that size.
But that puts him, I think in the day 2 range of being a
really impressive slot player for for teams that are looking
for a strong third corner. So I mean, he has played pure
outside corner at Texas. Will he stick there if he stays
at the size he's at? Probably not.
But I, I think, you know, a lot of the August, September stuff

(04:15:58):
is a lot of speculation and projection and a lot of that.
So I, but he, as JJ said, if he plays like he did last year,
this might not even be possible.So Dante Corleone, I don't know
that I see him rising up that much more because he plays at

(04:16:19):
Cincy. Like, not only is it lower Big
12, but just like the competition that he's going to
go up against this year, I don'tknow, is going to be the the
type of competition that's goingto elevate him in, in GM's
minds. You know, watching him go up

(04:16:41):
against the schedule he's going to play.
Are they going to say, hey, you know, this is better than a a
late 2nd rounder? I mean, I this to me kind of
feels like maybe the ceiling forwhere he could get drafted
staying at Cincy and playing theposition he plays for Cincy.

(04:17:08):
Yeah. I mean, so far for me, the D
line class isn't super. And again, maybe Durant and and
the Florida kid will kind of start leaping a little bit and
we we, I mean, Peter Woods is obviously excellent, right?
But I I don't don't see a lot oflike, wow, this is, you know,

(04:17:32):
we're we're doing a lot to affect the game.
There's a lot of you talking about Caleb Banks.
Yeah, Banks. Banks has a lot of high end
flashes, but the down to down consistency needs to get better
For Corleone, yes he has health issues, but for me, as as
powerful as he is to play one tech and as nimble as he is,

(04:17:53):
quick with the hands, quick to punch, quick to get off blocks,
quick to counter like that. That level of ability I haven't
seen in a lot of players in thisD line class so far.
So I'm 100% willing to roll a dice here at 53, especially for
a defense that absolutely needs it.

(04:18:13):
Listen, you might not have the juice to go top 50, but this is
53rd so we all in. I did see also three time Freaks
list member for Jantez. Oh, Corleone.
Yeah, yeah. Is he really?
I didn't, I didn't know that. Yep. 7443 cone, 17110 yard

(04:18:38):
split. That's nuts.
So Drew said do a draft assumingsome sort of Parsons trade.
So to me, that says we gotta take first and 2nd pick, first
and 2nd rounder out of the equation, which I don't think we

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can do. Yeah.
Oh yeah, we can remove those. Yep.
Oh yeah. We just, it's PFF, we can just
trade. PFFF, trade for Parsons.
Yep. Right, right, right.
OK. So so we do that and then, yeah,
then we'll call it. And then throw in players that
we think would be involved. Yeah.
And then kind of do a draft aiming to kind of patch those

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holes a little bit. Yeah.
So real quick, John Taz Williams, I, I think maybe a
little bit the opposite of Muhammad.
Not necessarily like the ball skills he kind of think are
pretty similar between the two, but Muhammad's really fluid,
right? A little more undersized.
I think Jantez packs a punch a lot more with this size.
He's the type of guy who's goingto breakthrough screens, get off

(04:19:47):
blocks, make tackles coming downhill.
And I think like truthfully, he's a better player.
I know everybody was excited about Porter's combine stuff,
but obviously Porter is still converting to the position.
John Tez has been playing it andand he's been doing so at a
pretty, pretty high level. Like I think this is right now
the corner class. There's some guys I don't like

(04:20:08):
up at the top as much as the consensus board does.
But Williams is is somebody likethat type of like dog and him
player on on day 2. We're like if you watched a lot
of what Brownlee did for Tennessee this year.
But this past season, I feel like you can get that out of

(04:20:29):
Jontez Drew. Drew put a comment in here and I
I recognize it. It's a verbatim copy paste post
on X. Mike Parsons has begun following
Packers left tackle Rasheed Walker.
He was already following Packersdefensive tackle Rashawn Gehry.
So first of all, the person who posted that not remotely a a

(04:20:53):
Packers insider or even familiarwith the Packers, Sean Geary is
not a defensive tackle, by the way.
He's a defensive end who played outside linebacker for us for a
couple years. He's a defensive end.
You're probably just mistyped. That's all Good.
No, no, no, I'm no, no, he didn't mean he copied and pasted
the post. So I'm, I'm debunking the post
that he copied and pasted. So I see this is like, Drew, you
and I are friends. Like, you know, I'm not
attacking you. I I also don't think he just

(04:21:17):
started following Rashid becausefirst of all there's conflicting
posts out there about saying like who he was previously
following. Rashid and Micah played at Penn
State together. I don't think this is new.
I think that that post was just some schmuck posting random
crap. So somebody else put together

(04:21:40):
like a screenshot of like all the different Packers that Micah
is currently following. And there's like a handful and
it's like 5 or 6. It's who's the other Penn State
guy? Rashid and Kaylyn King.
And so that's 2 Penn State guys.He's he's buddies with Jordan

(04:22:02):
loves that was in there. And then somebody else that he
works out with Rashan. Yeah, So Rashan.
So I think it's those five. So yeah.
Thanks, Drew. Kaylin King.
Nice. So you you posted that?
You probably posted it as I was trying to think of it, but then
like with the delay between the live stream, are you seeing it?
Had already thought of it so well, thank you.

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Our guy who was way higher than 142.
One more time. I'm going to remember it after
this one. I guarantee it.
Olivavania, Joanna. Olivaavania, Joanna So from what
I've seen, extremely physical, wants to put guys on the ground

(04:22:51):
anytime he's pulling he it wantsto like take people's head off
Pancake alert all the time. Not a not a warning, not a not a
watch. It's not pancake watch where the
ingredients are favorable for a pancake.
It's pancake warning and I love the control he plays with so

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far, Ohio State game, Minnesota game that I've seen like just
the control, the footwork. You know he's not he's not bear
hugging, right? He's doing the one hand stab,
he's doing the two hand punch like he's he's mixing it up.
So I'm all the way in. Spoiler alert, I'm putting a the

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the way too early mock out of mychannel Thursday morning.
He's going to be in it, I think.Pretty sure.
So is he heavy? Let me tell you.
Pretty sure he's 3:30. Is he really?
I'm not mistaken. Yeah.

(04:23:56):
I'm looking right now. Double checking, double checking
for verified numbers. I mean, I can get Penn State's
numbers really fast, but. Penn State has him at 64330.

(04:24:20):
Did you see by the way? By the way, SO22 Opus is asleep.
Nevermind, I'm going to save this for next week.
It's a Desmond Watson thing, buttwo Opus is the one who's going
to want to hear about this, so I'll practice.
So yeah, but he also lost weight.
He's he's no longer he's been losing weight all all year.

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Yeah, I was about to say we are we are just about to get the
1000. Come on, we got to get there.
We got one more mock draft. So we'll probably do it.
Any thoughts on Joanna? I just lost my audio for a
second because I my headphones died battery.

(04:25:03):
So I'm swapping to different headphones.
OK, You got me 5 by 5. Not yet, guys.
That's why we do it live. Almost 4 1/2 hours into a
stream. All right, Say something live.

(04:25:24):
We're doing it live. You got me.
No. Uh oh.
JJ might not got me. I still think it's interesting
to have all those ties. Yeah.

(04:25:45):
How you doing, JJ? You got me.
Still. No, no.
All right, Well, he fixes that. I'll, I'll talk quick about
Oscar Delp as we kind of wrap this one up and we try to push

(04:26:05):
for a 1K viewership. JJ's audio is also getting
traded to Dallas. That's tough.
We need JJ's audio though. We need it.
But Oscar Delp, true inline tight end, plays physical take
on defensive ends, combo block with offensive tackles and have

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the physicality to give himself some space at the catch point.
Like he's, he's a pretty fluid player as well.
So, and he's somebody who I think I'm higher on than a lot
of others just because he literally he can block because
he's a good inline player. And I've no problem doing that
in the 5th because I, I can't believe this happening.

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I, I can't imagine this, this does happen when all is said and
done, especially if he, if he tests pretty well just simply
because he can block and test well.
Like Seattle just had a guy who was a UDFA who's a good blocker
and not much else make the team.So simply.
I think that's we're we're goingto see more of that going
forward where these receiving guys are not going to be highly
coveted. They're going to be asked to

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play wide receiver. So I like it.
Malik Muhammad, Texas coroner Dante Corleone, defensive
tackle, Cincinnati Johnson's Williams, corner, Ohio State,
Oliva Vania, Yoanna, guard, PennState and then Oscar Del, tight
end Georgia. JJ is going to get his audio
fixed. I'm going to open another tab.
I'm going to leave this one herejust in case he wants to comment

(04:27:36):
on it, but I'm going to open up the PFF tab.
We're going to make the Parsons trade happen in the simulator
and then see what happens. So OK, I'm going to enter draft
and I can trade with a team, right?
Yeah, I'll wait for JG on this, but.

(04:28:13):
And see what he thinks. But we'll see.
As we're doing that, though, I'll get to some more questions.
Were you surprised at both Stackhouse and Brinson made the
53? No, I actually thought both
should have. And I was unsure if Wooden was
going to make the 53. Turns out he does and we're
carrying six defensive lineman, which I don't oppose.

(04:28:34):
I think you got to be all hands on deck essentially for this.
So yeah, not not super surprised.
I think I think that's somethingthat should should have happened
because we need a Brinson place some three tech you got you have

(04:28:56):
stackhouse doing a lot more one tech stuff.
So that's yeah, I I think I think it makes more sense.
So while J JS audio is getting traded to Dallas, I'm I'm still
keeping tabs on the everything app here he is he's back in he's
back Will we hear him? Can you hear me?

(04:29:20):
We can yes yeah. My audio people can hear you
hear you and you can hear me so I apologize if it sounds bad I'm
going to try and do I can make it sound less bad.
It's not bad. It is, it is solid right now.
Well, I'm, I'm listening to my laptop speakers right now
because I can't get the new headphones to work, so hopefully

(04:29:40):
there's no echo for you guys. I got it.
I got it quiet. So hopefully the echo's not
there. Yeah, there's no echo on my end.
Drew says it sounds solid. Did you have any thoughts on
Joanna or Delp as we transition to potentially A, trying to
cross that 1K mark and B puttingthat mock in with the Parsons
trade? Are you talking I think I lost

(04:30:07):
it again. Yeah, I was asking just thoughts
on Joanna or Delp as we kind of put a what makes me what makes
me excited for the idea of of bringing in Delp obviously is
that it just he is what we keep saying.
We hope Ben Sims can be for our offense this year of be in the

(04:30:29):
inline blocking tight end who can free up Tucker Kraft to go
run routes and be a factory in the past game as a receiver
because I don't think John Fitzpatrick is that and I really
obviously don't think that. Luke.
Musgrave is that at all like if anything, like if Luke Musgrave
maxes out what he can possibly be, then it's like the exact

(04:30:51):
opposite of we're taking Tucker Kraft.
Out of the. Receiving game and using Luke
Musgrave in that way instead. So you know, to me Oscar Delp
like kind of probably signals the end of Luke Musgrave's time
with the Packers, which, you know, disappointing but just not
that surprising. He's he's not on a currently on

(04:31:14):
a course toward finding success with the team.
So I, I, I think honestly, OscarDelp right here maybe is the
most immediately exciting prospect here.
You know, like how NFL ready is he going to be as a blocker?
I'm going to say with him playing at Georgia, you know,

(04:31:36):
somewhat close. Now, maybe the obvious thing
that makes you nervous is Darnell Washington took a couple
of years to get going. Brock Bowers, crazy good
receiver, maybe not quite the impact in the blocking game that
he even was at Georgia. And like, you know, then the

(04:31:59):
next guy that you need to think of is on our roster right now,
John Fitzpatrick. He was a heck of a blocker for
for Georgia. And I just don't know right now
that either you or I feel like John Fitzpatrick now entering
his second year in the NFL is really ready to be like a full

(04:32:19):
time blocker for the Packers. Obviously, there's a big
difference of like we're talkingabout Oscar Delp, you know,
currently be being projected as a fifth rounder and John
Fitzpatrick went undrafted. So that there is a difference
there. But it's not, you know, where
where did Washington get drafted?
Was it the second round or thirdround?

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He was talking about the first round.
Washington, I think was 1/3 rounder.
I want to say, did you say 5th rounder?
Think third? Pretty sure he was third.
I don't think anybody didn't go in those top three rounds from
that class. It was, yeah, Kincaid late 1st,
then LaPorte, then Mayor and then Musgrave.
I think that was all that was inround two.
And then I think Kraft and Washington were round three

(04:33:01):
guys. There might have been another
guy in there as well. OK.
But I'm not sure. So yeah, I mean, Ryman was who I
was thinking of. He was 24, pretty sure.
Oh, right. So he went, yeah, to Arizona
athleticism plus blocking. That might be what Delp is
offering here. He's he does offer the blocking.

(04:33:22):
It's more about the is, is he a strong enough athlete relative
to his peers to be, you know, enough at the next level,
Inching, inching, Ever so close,folks, ever so close.
I hit that. I hit that quote tweet a few a
few seconds ago. Oh my goodness.

(04:33:45):
Oh, there it is, folks. We are across the 1000 crazy.
That's insane. It's funny, like we were like
hovering below it and then just suddenly shot right past it just
exploded. Let's go big OPS1K viewers
across all platforms tonight. That is sick.
Thanks, Drew. Appreciate it.
And now it's just going to keep going.

(04:34:06):
Apparently we're just going to keep climbing maybe to the
1100s. But we got we got one more thing
to do. It took us 4 1/2 hours to get to
1000 and we're going to hit 1100in about 30 seconds.
That might happen. Yeah.
OK, so I've got this one set up.Obviously 21 is going.

(04:34:27):
What are what are we thinking here?
What's what's, what's the compensation?
That makes sense. So I think, I think 1st and 2nd
and let's just say Rashawn Gary,what did you say?
1st and 2nd and Rashawn Gary. Yeah.

(04:34:48):
So is this a this year? Second, I'm saying from, from
like we're not doing a 27 mock draft.
So for like 26 like let's let's let's take our first and second
off the board for 26 for the purposes of this mock draft,
because I think that'll probablybe included in the trade.
HD design sync deal is done, FYI.

(04:35:10):
Boy, that's wouldn't that be something?
Would that be something? All right, so let's do this
there. I'll let's do that 124 Gary for
Parsons, give up that 4th and 27and let's see what we can do.
We might be able to do some still do some damage here.
I think let's offer it. Boom.

(04:35:34):
Somebody in the chat named HD designs says deal is done.
I just I don't things HD designs.
That'd be sick. Haven't seen it, but haven't
seen it. But there we go.
We'll make the move. Maybe maybe he said our deal is
done. That's that's possible.
All right. Not pick until 85.
Here we go. Lots of what is this?

(04:36:02):
OK, OK, that's messed up. We didn't need to do it like
that. This doesn't look super ideal,
Chris. The casual end says why so
difficult to locate a decent receiving tight end?
Well, no, it's not. That's not the difficulty.
Go ahead, JJ Yeah. So the whole problem is, like,

(04:36:25):
what makes them a tight end. It's not the receiving, it's the
blocking. Finding somebody who can block
it at the NFL level is what's iswhat's tough.
And so if you're just a receiverand you can't block, then you're
not a tight end, you're a wide receiver.
And so then do we want somebody who is slow and lumbering like a

(04:36:46):
tight end playing wide receiver and not contributing to the
blocking game when we can just go draft an A college wide
receiver who's really good at receiving?
So. So, yeah, that's it's, it's
finding a good blocking tight end that's hard.
And then of those guys, which there aren't many in the NFL,

(04:37:07):
how many of them are also elite receivers?
Well, it's hard to be elite at two things.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the the tricky part with this, with
this is when you when you go about it that way, right?
Of like, hey, I want a receivingtight end.
There is that of like, hey, these big slot receivers can

(04:37:27):
block like the receiving tight end and are shiftier and and
sharper than the tight ends themselves more often than not,
right? Unless you have a Brock Bowers,
which is a a very rare case, right?
Even Kyle Pitts couldn't make that happen.
Maybe he ends up being a big receiver down the line and he's
just going to play opposite, youknow, Drake London.

(04:37:47):
That's the tricky part about this is because if they're on
there, if you're on there in 12 personnel and the guy can't
really block other than ancillary pieces, what's the
difference between him and Puka?Literally nothing in Puka is a
better receiver, right? Unless your name is Brock Bowers
and you are sharp like a receiver who can play on the
boundary, right? You need to be able to do both
or or Kelsey of finding zones. You know it just being on an

(04:38:11):
insane same page with with his quarterback, right?
Like you, you have to be that good.
And, and Kelsey's also good at just weaving and using momentum
and, and, and having the feel of, of space on the field to
operate. Like that's that's what makes
him special. And.
So unless you have that special,special ability, it's just not

(04:38:33):
going to work. Like, Don Kincaid was a rare
mover at the position, was very savvy, you know, would would be
able to dip under contact with linebackers draped on him at
Utah right in coverage. But the fact that he hasn't
figured it out shows you that, like, why, if he can't block,
like, what are the Bills sacrificing keeping you off the

(04:38:54):
field and having Shakira nothing.
And you have a better receiver who's even better?
Let's play devil's advocate for a second here.
OK. You got a guy out there lined up
as a tight end and you are telling people that he's a tight
end and he's not a good blocker,but he's a good receiver.

(04:39:18):
And you are making the opposing team respect him as a tight end
and cover him like a tight end and respect the idea that he's
going to be in to block sometimes and you can leak him
out and go create some designed plays for him.
This is how the Packers are getting some productivity out of

(04:39:41):
Luke Musgrave, right? Yeah, it is.
But I do think like, yeah, I get, I get the devil's advocate
point a little bit. But again, if, if I think in
this era right now, right, we wewant to be, you know, give the

(04:40:07):
illusion that you can't do a lot, but you actually can.
And yeah, because the Lions haveLa Porta.
Who is getting better as a blocker?
He can be on the field in a bunch of different personnel
groupings and still kind of be running similar stuff with him,
right? Doesn't mean he's like as good
as Kraft right now as a blocker.I wouldn't say that.
But he's good enough that when they're in 11 or they're in 12,

(04:40:31):
they can kind of still be when they're in 12, they can kind of
still be in 11 because LaPorte is that good of a receiver,
right? And then they also have the
bodies to motion him inside, be the, you know, flex tight end,
almost be the F, but still be able to block.
And now you're overwhelmed because you have your it, it's a
7 on, you know, potentially 4 upfront.
And then they're getting to the second level and just destroying

(04:40:53):
your guys because there's that much better than you and more
physical running the football. So that's that's why it's like
the receiving tight ends. You got to figure it out as a
blocker like Terrence Ferguson, it was really good just a a seam
glider right and and and a very,very smooth mover at Oregon and

(04:41:13):
he blocked pretty darn well. It's still going to take some
time. I watched him in the preseason
blocking reps Buddy must get better.
Do I think he can get there? Yes, because he's already
demonstrated some level of ability, but you know, it's it's
still going to take some time for a lot of these guys so.

(04:41:42):
19.64 I wanted to adding in adding in Chris as one of our
donators. I forgot to put him in the
ticker tape below about him. I feel bad about that.
Sorry, Chris, you're in there now.
Look, it's sliding across Yeah, Ferguson does both.

(04:42:02):
You see on the high end of receiving ability, I don't think
he's even quite on Kraft's level.
And I don't think Kraft is like tip top exceptional.
I think he's a little stiffer right where it's tough like on
the in outbreakers, it's not like the cleanest, but he's got
the physical profile that kind of overwhelm you at the top
right of routes. And so that is what's helpful to
him. That's what's going to help

(04:42:23):
Tyler Warren this year in Indy is just being more physical
like, but it's not going to workon everybody, which means you
have to be precise with your physicality and coordinated at
the top too and balanced like all of that good stuff.
You want to go DJ Harvey here. Tell me about DJ Harvey because
I haven't watched much of him probably that recently.

(04:42:46):
I think I've only seen, I've only seen one video of him and I
did not watch any USC games lastyear except for the LSU game.
You would struggle to find him on the USC field since he has a
transfer from San Jose State. But I, I think he is really

(04:43:10):
strong and off coverage. I think kind of a similar to
Muhammad where it's more of likehe is diagnosing.
He's fluid in transition, right?He's not an overwhelming press
corner, but I think he is, is really, really strong off
coverage, closing recognition, right?
Reading things out, being in theright position, you know,

(04:43:32):
depending on what they're covering, right?
Is he is he in the flat? Is he in a deep you know, third
is he you know in 1/4's look, ishe matching right all that
stuff. I I think he is pretty good.
I've again I've only seen a couple games sound of that much
San Jose State but I'm trying tofigure out who was that I

(04:43:54):
watched then from from USC was aYouTube video watched?
Like. One week ago.
So I'm looking at USC prospects for 2026 and like none of these
names are look like the right dude at all.
And maybe it was Kamari Ramsey, but I don't think so.

(04:44:14):
He plays safety. Maybe.
So now I feel like a now I feel like crazy.
Not Braylon Conley. Oh, wait a minute, Braylon
Conley. That's one second.

(04:44:35):
I'm looking at Braylon Conley onYouTube, see if I can find it.
Got a question Here is my gosh, we're going up to like 1200 by
the way. Oh, this is here.
Braylon Conley 2022 highlights on Big 10 football junkies.
That's your guy. Three star cornerback committed
to USC. So I, I enjoyed watching him

(04:44:56):
play, but I didn't I, I wasn't like blown away just but
intrigued a little. Yeah.
OK, so tell me about DJ Harvey then.
Yeah. So as I said, like he is, I
think let's see, I think the pass rating was on there like 56

(04:45:16):
pass rating last year, 4 interceptions, 7 pass break UPS
again, who I think did really well in off coverage 1 he could
read the concept out too. He was really good footwork in
transition, really quick closer,some nice reps of catch
technique, being physical at thetop.
But I think he was just, I thinkhe's well seasoned to make the

(04:45:40):
jump to AUSC because I think he has a lot of good experience in
terms of different coverages to where I don't think anything's
going to overwhelm him. And I'm wondering if there's
anybody else here. I know there's SAB.

(04:46:00):
We took Jantez while you're looking.
Anthony Menya, business 420 says.
So is Parsons to Green Bay just a rumor or true?
So from our digging certainly appears that these are real
conversations happening between Green Bay and Dallas and that

(04:46:21):
apparently Green Bay's offer to Dallas is extremely competitive.
This is a very, very rich offer.And so the question is, how
badly does Jerry want to get a deal done with Mica versus
accepting this this offer from Green Bay?

(04:46:47):
So Drew says Jon Kuhn keeps hyping it.
So let me see. Did he tweet something else or
are you just saying that his thing was hyping it?
I don't see anything else from Kuhn on X.
He hasn't tweeted since that one.
His previous tweet, his previousmost recent tweet was more than

(04:47:08):
a week ago. Like we can have him to go.
So he only he's only posted one thing so far.

(04:47:30):
We want do you like Lenora sellers?
I like Lenora sellers. Do you like sellers?
Yes, yes, I do. Oh, we could.
We could. I think as of today, August
27th, 2025, I like DJ, like we leg way better.
Like I'm higher on leg way as anNFL prospect than sellers.

(04:47:50):
There's your there's your 27. There he is.
Yeah, yeah, not Ryola. It'll be him.
But like, Sellers and Lagway arecompared every single day.
Oh, yeah, of course. You want to have two Xaviers on
the team, both playing in the backfield.
That'd be fun. Could lock that down.

(04:48:16):
Might be able to get. Might be able to play the game,
though. 184th on the list. I'm still interested in in Wampa
though. Yeah.
Cage Casey. You know I want Cage Casey and
Pig Cage on the same team. I mean, maybe make that happen.

(04:48:42):
Cage Casey, you might need tackle.
Or do you think we want to strictly stick to No, we really
don't need tackle, though. That's the thing.
So you want to stick to interior?
We need guard if we're going to bolster the offensive line, we
need guards and we need a center.
Like, I mean, I'm all for I'm all for best player available.

(04:49:04):
Dang it. Why are these guards tackles,
bro? But that's kind of more the type
of thing you do when the draft is actually happening, not when
you're scouting prospects. It's just true.
Year out should do it. Oh Jake, I have to derrealize

(04:49:25):
for a second, OK, because I did not do our Mark Murphy minute.
Thankfully. Thankfully, we've been on here
for almost 5 hours and so we have time to do our Mark Murphy
Minute. So here's our Mark Murphy
Minute. So for those of you who are new
here, Mark Murphy Minute is where I tell you some news of

(04:49:47):
the day, pop culture news, and Itell you how it relates to the
Packers. So obviously, you guys have seen
the YouTube TV versus Fox live sports coverage dispute, right?
And so your games could be disrupted if you are a YouTube
TV customer. So this is obviously stealing a
lot of headlines. But what is missed is that on

(04:50:08):
August 26th, France officially returned the skull of Malagasy
King Tawera of Manabi, who died in 1897, to Madagascar along
with two companion skulls. These had been housed in Paris's
natural museum, National Museum of Natural History.

(04:50:32):
So you may ask yourself, how theheck does that relate to the
Packers? The Packers are the kings of the
NFC North, and just like Franks returns a skull to Madagascar,
the NFL is going to return the crown to Green Bay after brief
interruptions from some league rivals.

(04:50:53):
In fact, the Bear, Bears, and Vikings and Lions are all trying
to lay claim to the throne. But the Lombardi Trophy is Green
Bay's rightful relic and just like that skull is going to be
returned to its homeland this year.
All right, this has been your because of wait a minute, big
time edition. Big time edition from Dallas

(04:51:16):
high reinforcements. Look, when you when you think of
Dallas Cowboys and humongous trades with the NFC North, you
think Vikings, that's true. That's not going to be us this
time. You may think, hey, it's not a
running back. It's a path.
Hey, the Vikings allowed the Dallas Cowboys dynasty to be

(04:51:40):
built with their atrocious tradefor Herschel Walker.
And yes, Dallas is trying to getthat same King's ransom again
from an NFC North team. But it's not going to work this
time. It's not it's our time, it's our
time. So Jake, if we can, if we can go
for 8 more minutes, we will hit five hours.

(04:52:02):
And I kind of have a I thought that it'd be fun to try and end
this at five hours on the dot. How do you feel about that?
I love it. Let's do it.
Do you want to go with with withHarvey here or do we want to go
with Xavier? Scott?
Let's let's I still feel like I don't know anything about

(04:52:23):
Harvey. OK, so I'm I'm feeling I'm
feeling Scott. All right, let's do Xavier's
also like we haven't really seenHarvey play against we have not
Big 10 opponents. So Scott to me feels like a a
better bet. Oh, a left guard.

(04:52:45):
How do you say this? Guy's last name that you were
just looking at Timac or Rymac, Tomas Rymac, that that's just a
hard name. It like doesn't have quite
enough consonants. It's not, it's not the really
like the hard consonant. It's just like the silent
consonants consonants. If you threw a couple HS in
there, this name is really easy to pronounce.

(04:53:08):
I think like two or three HS. Remac.
Tomas Remac, Virginia Tech Gottalove the pronunciation guide,
Drew says. All the journalists are
sleeping. My friend Drew, you don't know
how sports media works. These journalists are not
sleeping coming over from West Virginia to Virginia Tech.

(04:53:37):
Oh, my gosh. What are you doing here?
Well, well, wanna you up? Yo, you want to do Remod?
I mean, he's left guard. It's interesting that they have
enlisted at tackle here, but he basically played exclusively at
left guard. I regret to inform you.

(04:53:59):
I've seen that a lot so far, butalso like that's just not really
a problem either because if the a player played tackle in
college, the Packers are probably moving him to guard
anyways. This is true.
Oh, it's been a while since we got a Florida State guy centre,

(04:54:21):
centre tackle like like Slaughter is.
I kind of want to Oh, Chris is out.
Hey, get some sleep, Chris. You deserve it.
Thank you very much. I'm not.
But so this Luke here from Florida State, I think he's

(04:54:41):
coming over from Wake. Pretty sure he's coming over
from where I think. I think it's Wake Forest or
Boston College. So he yeah, it is Wake Forest.

(04:55:03):
Here it is. He played at Wake for four
straight years, so this is his fifth year.
He didn't play. He didn't play much in 2020,
less than 100 snaps. He steadily progressed all four
years. The other weird thing though, is
that he's also increased the number of penalties he's had for

(04:55:25):
four straight years. So his his 2024 season at Wake,
he played 773 snaps and he allowed two sacks and only 6
pressures. Now this is at center, so you

(04:55:48):
would hope he's not allowing a lot of sacks or pressures.
Actually, the two sacks feels a little bit high to me for a
centre, but the six pressures are pretty good.
Penalized 6 times, including twice in one game against North
Carolina. Let me see here, looking at
snaps or snap counts. Oh, that's not what I want to

(04:56:12):
do. I want to look at this previous
years and see did he play anywhere else?
So 2023 was the other year he played a ton of snaps.
That was all at centre. He's been a starting centre for
two straight years at Wake Forest.
Now he's coming to Florida State.

(04:56:34):
Man, I'm interested. I'm I'm certainly intrigued
enough to watch him. Really good pass blocker,
although an inconsistent pass blocker what is this man so
listed at guard center except for one snap what are we doing

(04:56:58):
here we go so 2023 he was reallyinconsistent as a pass blocker
2024 he was very steady he was just really solid as a pass
blocker and kind of improved as a run blocker throughout the
year so I'm. I'm.
Interested I. Want to see?
What he does here at Florida State.
What? What, what position do you think

(04:57:19):
this guy's listed as? Just showing you the snaps by
alignment. Well, he's got 568 snaps at
right tackle. So is he listed as a center?
Yes. He's literally hasn't played it
in the last two seasons. He's listed this.
Oh, no longer doing. He's literally this only thing
he's not played. All right.

(04:57:39):
He must be the starting center. He must be the starting.
If he's not, I, I, I'm going to lose my mind checking to see if
he's ever played centre ever, because I'm.
So he played two games at left tackle for Penn State this past
year and then every other game was at right tackle.

(04:58:02):
In 2023. He played three games at left
tackle. That's it.
So he's only, he's really only played one year.
I don't know why you list him asa centre.
That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I don't understand,
Ricardo. I'm looking at our guy Joanna.

(04:58:27):
Yeah, extraordinarily good pass blocker this past year.
Yeah, we're picking him up and down as a run blocker.
Perfect. He had thank.
You. 0 sacks. So remember that he played left
guard most of the year. He had one, one game he played

(04:58:48):
at right guard, but he played most of the year at left guard.
Look at this distribution. We like that.
He I'm picking him again. The previous year he played one
game at right guard. Let's see, that was week 4 and
in 2023 it was week five. He played at right guard, so

(04:59:12):
that's interesting. He's basically exclusively a
left guard. We have 45 seconds.
He had three penalties, 1617 pressures, 0 sacks.
So we have we have 35 seconds. All right, all right, let's do
it. We're picking him again.
We're not going to do the picture.
We're just going to say thank you for picking him.
We got to pick one more. Ricardo Holman done.

(04:59:36):
We are two big 10 corners. Oh, it's all Big 10.
Oops. All big 10.
We have 18 seconds until we can end this.
OK, I got. Do I end it like a couple
seconds before? Yes, I think you do.
I think you have to end it before, like 3 seconds before or
two seconds before three or two.I don't know.
Pick one. Hurry.

(04:59:56):
Where's Lake Green and policy? Here you go.
Go. Go back, go, go back.
Go. Go back.
Go, go. Back, go.

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