Mission: Impossible – Run 12-Personnel with Luke Musgrave - DERAILED: Green Bay Packers, NFL Draft, and Northern College Football

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. The spirit ran low and then it
hit me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fan started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took. Now the line.
If I told you I could barely thought seen in a chance some
soccer team got no need for a Viking to borrow June.
I choose that the power of the frozen monsoon.

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The apps. Did you create it?
Did you buy online? But that's not my policy.
These words are mine here. Go back gold.
Go back gold. Go back gold.

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Go back, go, go back. Go, go back.
Go. Go back.
Go, go back, go, go back, go. Welcome back to derailed.

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I am our host JJ Leahy here withmy good friend Jake Shudink.
Jake, thank you so much for joining us today here We missed
the people can tell you that we missed the people.
We got 2 old for this in the chat.
Finally, it's been a couple weeks and we missed too old for
this. We really did last week.

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Shameful as it is to say, this chat let us down so much in
terms of derailing that Jake andI intentionally had to derail
the chat who just wanted to talkabout football.
All right so listen true this can't be tool for this is full

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time job. Y'all have to pick up the slack
when he can't be here every second of every string.
Don't let us get so far down theweeds on pure football when we
are supposed to be here for nonsense so much of the time.
Now. Thankfully, we were able to
successfully derail the chat andget them talking about movies

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and that was a good time. We may very well have to do a
regular movie segment on this show during the offseason, but
there is some football to talk about.
Jake, are you are you down for some JA talk?
You down for some 23 talk? I guess so, yeah, sure, let's do

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it. We haven't done enough of it
this offseason. That's you know, that's the
thing we haven't done enough. So we might as well start now
for sure. Who has the leverage?
Who has the leverage in this situation?
Seriously, how? How does it make you feel that

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all of the all the reporters, all the media experts are
finally coming around to where you and I have been this entire
time? Jair ain't going anywhere this
offseason. It was never going to happen.
At least that's what I always said.
And you always went along with it.
How do you feel about that? Yeah.
I mean, I think the the big partof this was, again, Green Bay

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just not willing to accept probably what whatever you want
to say about it. Lowball offers the other teams
were probably throwing out there, right?
It was, I mean, there, there it was probably unlikely they that
anybody floated a third out there.
So I think he'd probably be goneif if they did.
So, yeah, I mean, it's it's it'sa it's a it is a weird spot to

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be in right where we felt like probably by, you know, after
that wild card game loss, it waslike, well, all right, well, you
know, they're going to make somekind of decision resolution, you
know, at some point during the offseason.
It's we're we're getting late init now.
We're getting later into the offseason and there's not been

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any resolution again, if if by some shocking, you know, move,
he gets cut. OK, that's, you know, maybe a
little unexpected, but it but itfeels like he is just, you know,
be sticking around. I know there was talk about him
showing up at was it the mandatory mini camp, right,

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Because I think we're doing kindof OTA stuff right now.
So I there's saying he's going to be showing up for that and I
know that they would prefer Green Bay that is JA to take a
pay cut. I mean he's not going anywhere.
So it's, you know, it's unless they outright cut him, it's play

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on the pay cut or, you know, maybe Green Bay just hangs on to
him anyway. I I don't know, it's it, it is
what it is. It feels like kind of, I think
this over everything else has kind of been like, OK, all
right, summer, I don't, I don't even need you.
Can we just can we just get to, to playing like, I think that's

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the biggest thing. It doesn't it's not even I don't
tire of the draft rumors and allthat stuff because it's it's
it's kind of entertaining to just watch people, you know, you
know, kind of just continue to react to every little thing the
draft provides. And that shows how how big
football is. But in terms of disgruntled

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player who he knew was disgruntled and you know, it's
been over four months now. Like it's kind of like, all
right, I'm I'm trying to muster anything I can to to kind of put
a, you know, put kind of a finalpoint, final word out there to
talk about John. It's just kind of like, all
right, well, something's going to happen, right.

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And he's, I mean, most likely he's going to be playing in
Green Bay this year. Like that's that's kind of what
it is at this point. I don't, I knew it was going to
be talk because of all the the new news, but it is what, Yeah,
I don't know. It's also not like they have
great options behind him to be playing cornerback.

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No, you know, it's it, it, it, it's thin if JA isn't playing
and the market for him isn't great and they're not going to
save enough money by just cutting him out right to make it
worth not having him on the team.
You know, the other thing is like, I don't think that we've

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heard much of anything credible to suggest that they are
frustrated with who Jair is or, you know, what kind of person
and leader he is, has been, you know, for the the 2024 season
and into 2025. But it's not like they just, you

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know, think he's a locker room cancer.
They got to get out of there andeat the cost to do so.
The only rumors we've ever heardare frustration about his
availability. So at what point does
frustration about his availability translate into,
hey, let's eat a bunch of dead cap just to get him off the
roster? To me, the math just doesn't
make sense. Yeah, Adam says John is just

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cornerback version of Aaron Jones.
I think that that's not the worst comparison because Aaron
Jones questions were about age, availability, cost and, you
know, fantastic person, fantastic leader that you liked

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having on the team when he was available.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty goodcomp.
Yeah, I like it. It's it's going to be tough to
see him go whenever that may be because as we've kind of
mentioned, as you mentioned already, JJ, it's like this room

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isn't super well equipped to, I think handle him not being out
there unless guys, you know, take some big jumps forward.
So, yeah, it's it's kind of a tough spot where it I mean, the
draft kind of told you though that like Green Bay was kind of

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intent on like having job play. Like it was kind of going to be
OK if they pick Hairston or Amosor or somebody else early in
this draft, it's going to be like, OK, that's that's it.
Like we're we're out of here andit, it just never happened.
So, yeah, I mean, that's, that'sthat's where we're sitting at at
at this point. It's just kind of in limbo

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holding, you know, out for any scrap of news that that's going
to come out. And yeah, it's why it's a it's a
tough part of the offseason where you're just kind of
hanging around just like, is there going to be anything that
that kind of strikes the iron a little bit this offseason while
it's like May, June, July beforecamp starts, this is probably

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the closest thing that we're going to get other than perhaps
a vote that that might have not gone through last week as well.
So, but yeah, it it, it is it's a tough, tough part of the
offseason where if this was going on, you know, in training
camp of like, oh, it's a pay cutand it's kind of like, OK, yeah.

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I mean, plenty of guys are asking about their contracts,
you know, type of thing. But because this is kind of
continued to to to draw out overthe offseason, we kind of have
to, you know, bring it up every every once in a few shows
because you know, something elseis something else is being on

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that note. On that note.
OK, so there's ATJ Watt controversy regarding his and
this too his contract. Give me your give me your take
on that. Do you think TJ Watt is going to
get moved due to the contract situation?

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I don't think, I haven't heard that it's going to happen this
year, but it sounds like at the end of this season is when the
people who expect him to be moved expect him to be moved.
Wait a minute. Breaking news tool for this
Found a gas station that has straw bango.
Yeah. All right.
Sorry. No, that was important.
That is fine. That is totally fine.

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Yeah. So he's got.
Wow. Wait.
No, this is it. This is it.
He's afraid. He's so there won't he's not a
patient right now. See no, like, but if they don't
make a move by end of season, like he he will just walk.
So I I'm trying to look at like teams who you know, you look at

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and go, OK, who needs pass rush?Who didn't address it and also a
contender. I guess it depends on who you
view as a contender 'cause there's one that came up that I
think could be a possibility forhim.

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Yeah. I mean, someone, yeah, 'cause I
mean, they, they did what they drafted.
They drafted somebody, right, I think.
And I have a guy go back. Well, they drafted Derek Harmon.
Oh, no, I mean, sorry, sorry. Team trading for.
Oh, I don't know who. My fault, my fault.
Yeah. I cause like 49ers, who's your

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team trading for? Trying to think if they have
anybody else. Tampa Bay was something that
came up of like if Reddick just he's dealing with stuff already,
they're talking about him not being kind of like ready to roll
for mini camp and stuff like that where if they're A-Team,
that's all in. And obviously, you know, I think

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Detroit would also fall under this, of course, you know, to
make a movement season, to make a push like that feels like, you
know, one or two of the teams that would that would make that
happen. So, yeah, Tampa took David
Walker in the fourth round, which I, I, I, I wouldn't, you
know, list that today prior to having him seeing, having seen

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him play a snap. I wouldn't list that as anything
that would be any kind of a factor for me.
Yeah. And I think for Watt, you kind
of have to get him into 3/4 right.
He has to wide nining, you know,playing kind of that role
affecting the past game a littlebit as well.
Like, you know, getting in, getting in, throwing lanes, but

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also being able to just work thecorner and have a have a runway
to work with. Like he it it's not going to be
a Green Bay fit. So we don't have to.
I don't think we have to worry about that one unless he's
playing like Sam linebacker typeof thing.
And that's just not somebody on on the salary he's on to go get
him for, you know what a half year.
So that would be unlikely for Green Bay.

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But there are certainly teams who are still in that 3-4 that
could Adam as the final piece perhaps for the run.
Buffalo's room, I think is too deep.
I I don't and again, I don't even know if Pittsburgh is going
to trade in the conference or not.
Denver would be another one thatwould I think that I I would

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consider if I were them and I was Denver makes more sense.
Makes more sense to me, I guess.I mean the you know, the Bills
drafted somebody in the third round, I think, but they yeah,
they have they I don't think of them as a team that has so so
you do think that they're stacked at defensive end flash

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outside my backer. I think, I think they have a
hockey level rotation. The Dolphin on 3/4, I don't
think so, but they do often lineup and some of the over stuff a

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little further from the ball. And like they've had Von Miller
there. They haven't changed scheme
since they added him and he not truly necessarily AO, you know,
put the hand of the dirt early down defender.
So I think they could probably make it work.
But again, they they've got plenty of of guys in the room.

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So yeah, Denver, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Philly, if they're
feeling frisky, I guess, you know, just like, yeah, sure, why
not? That's kind of that's kind of
it. I think in terms of who would go
after him because again, you have to be in the you have to be
in the like in the mode of like,yeah, we're unless we're like re

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signing him. This is a this is 1/2 year
rental to go win it all. So that's going to be an
interesting one to follow. Adam wants to know, do you guys
feel better about the draft, specifically Green Bay not going
cornerback basically now that itseems JA is going to be back.

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So I mean better. No, because I always thought JA
was going to be back. So I don't think that this
changes how I feel about the draft kind of period.
And also just like philosophically, I don't want to
be trying to plug starter roles with draft picks.

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Like I'm fine with attacking areas of the roster that are
thin with draft picks, but I mean, even with an early first
round pick, like if that, if that is your plan a is like this
guy is going to solve this problem for us as a rookie, like

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the hit rate in year one on first round rookies, like
they're not usually making fantastic contributions in year
one, man. So I'm not just wouldn't I
wouldn't want that to be my my saving grace.
You know, like, OK, I look back at our 2021 season, you know, we
got to spot really quick where Stokes had to be a full time

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starter and thank ODC played really well, you know, but like
we knew in the moment how fortunate we were that we were
getting starter level play from Stokes in that season like that.
And you know that was that. Was a big deal.
Yeah, yeah. I think in the draft you're
you're again early, early in thedraft is like a look of like,

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OK, we're looking for future starters, quality starters,
perhaps elite starters. We'll see how it goes and things
change a little bit maybe later for some teams looking for depth
and role players and special teamers and all that stuff.
I know if anybody's watched the Philly kind of cut of like their
inside the draft stuff. Hi, Roseman's like no, we're,

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we're looking for future starters on day three.
We're not messing around anywhere else.
We'll swing 6 times on day three.
Hopefully we get 2 future starters out of it.
So yeah, it, it, it is a future starter type of thing.
There is no guarantee you're going to see everything come
together in year 1 because that's, yes, it's, it's the
expectation that's levied, but probably shouldn't be

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especially, especially for, for several different positions
where the learning curve is steeper.
Playing corners hard as a rookie.
It's it's very difficult playingtight end, playing linebacker,
you know, linebacker especially extremely difficult position to
play as a rookie. So and, and quarterback, of

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course. No, I mean, obviously so, yeah,
no guarantees with that. Like extra impressive that we
got the season we did last year from Edra Cooper.
Yeah. And and again, he didn't even,
you know, he wasn't out there all the time either, right.
It was like kind of like we weremitigating the snaps a little

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bit for him throughout the season of like, yeah, no, we're
don't put everything on the plate all at once for.
And that frustrated a lot of people, but they, I mean, they
were doing him a favor in in thelong run of working him in to
the extent that they felt was going to be beneficial for him.
I, I think they handle it prettymuch exactly correctly in year

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1. Frederick Cooper.
So, you know, obviously we're all excited to see what's he
going to do with another offseason here, especially in
offseason of conditioning. Not him.
He's already in fantastic shape,but you know, NFL conditioning
and just really getting to a point where hopefully he
understands our defensive schemenow this year because that was a

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big limitation last year was. Last year he had packages, you
could put them out there in and you could tell he had some
simple instructions that he was given for what to do on that
play and it was super effective.You know, massive credit to
Anthony Campanelli and Jeff Haffley.
I'm excited to see what they dial up this year.

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Obviously minus Campanelli. Stupid Dolphins.
Why you have to be so smart and take our good coaches?
Yeah, that's a tough one. Because they they did they they
fired Joe Berry and replaced himwith Anthony Campanelli, didn't
he? Didn't they?
The Dolphins or No, Campanelli'sthe DC, isn't he?

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He's the DC in the case. I'm just going to Google it.
Anthony Campanelli is the Jaguars.
Is the Jaguars Jaguars DC? Yeah, the Dolphins have Joe
Berry as the linebacker. Yeah, they have just DC Oh, who
do they who Miami has someone that came from Baltimore as

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their DC Oh yeah. One of the guys, everybody was
talking about Weaver. Yeah, Anthony Weaver.
That's who it is. Weaver, I think was, if I
remember correctly, I think Weaver was my favorite.
You know, they had, you know, 3 or 4 guys.
They had Chris Hewitt, Zach Orr,Anthony Weaver.

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I think there was a fourth guy in that in that Ravens room,
huh. I said, yeah, there probably
was. I don't I'm it's not coming to
mind. But I think I think Weaver, I
concluded was my like my favorite of those guys.
But I like all honestly. Actually tool for this says what
happens first. Jair is officially back or

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Rogers is a Steeler. I'm, I, I guess if I had to put
money on it, I would say Jagger because I feel confident that
that will happen. And I'm, I'm only like 60% sure
Rogers is going to be a stealer because I think if he wanted to
be a stealer he would be 1 already.

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There's reports out there that some people in the know still
think Rogers is waiting out Minnesota, that Rodgers still
thinks Minnesota might be in play.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
But there are people out there who believe that.
Yeah. And I, I got to say, I mean,

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there's just a pretty steady drum beat of reports saying that
he's weighing Pittsburgh versus retirement.
So that's me. It's not something a guy who
wants to go be a stealer becausewe know that he would sign with
Minnesota tomorrow if they wouldtake it.
No question. What do you think it is about

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Pittsburgh that he's not interested in, by the way?
Because they're not very good. That's what it is.
They're not very good. I wouldn't, but neither were The
Jets. The Jets were freaking on.
No, I agree. I that's fine.
I'm just saying like, I don't what's what's super than The
Jets have had, but like what's super exciting?

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Well, their defense, their theiroffensive line has stepped it up
considerably in the last two years.
Other than tackle, yes, but tackle's been abysmal.
Yeah, that's true. Tackle's been abysmal for them.
And again, foul, Capsaicin says,is New Orleans out of the
question is a Rogers planning spot.
So I why on earth I can't remember the answer to that?

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I read something about it that Imean, are they going to win two
games this year? Here we go.
Fox News Aaron Rodgers reveals team he has no interest playing
for dot, dot, dot. He also teased joining the
Steelers. So, yeah, why would you want to

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play for New Orleans? Would you consider playing for
the saintly? Rodgers said no, That's the
answer. I played there a couple times.
But the answer is no, I'm too old.
I don't want to live in Louisiana.
Sorry. OK, here's your answer.
I knew he had said something about the last couple days.
Our team is going to be horrible.

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I I would not even think about going there.
Where are you all due respect, but again, Pittsburgh, I just
don't think like where are you on Kellenmore?
Are you a Kellen Moore hater? No, I just think the roster is
bad and there's no reason for like Rogers to go.
Roster is terrible, roster is terrible.

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I've, I've always been a Kellen Moore truther as opposed to a
hater. Yeah.
But yeah, that's, I mean, they're, they are two years away
from being 2 years, I would say 2 years away and AGM away.
They're two years away from being two years away.
I think because of all the credit card work they've been

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all the credit they've been building up, they're not paying
off and they're waiting to pay it off.
So I enjoy that's where they're at.
I enjoy where they're at becauseof the way that they have run
things like I'm I'm a huge so I love Howie Rosman.
I hate Mickey Lewis. All right.
Howie Rosman tends to do business the way that I would

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want to do business as AGM and Mickey Loomis, Mickey Loomis and
Les Les Sneed. Is that the Rams GM?
Yes. Mickey Loomis and Les Sneed run
things the way that fans want them run and they have both I

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would say gotten unfairly lucky in getting some OK ish results
with their crappy strategies andit makes me mad that they are
validating for some fans. Oh, you can do XYZ and you'll,
you know, you'll go win a lot ofgames or you'll win a Super

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Bowl. And it's like, no, no, no.
They won in spite of the stuff that you're excited about them
doing. There's other moves that they
made that got them to where theyare and then they got there in
spite of the things that you want teams to be doing.
I don't like those two GMs. Pittsburgh has a really good

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donut shop. It's only 5 hours from Scranton.
I. Don't know.
Go for this, says Rogers. Probably sees the Watt situation
and how DK is basically the onlyguy he likes Tomlin, but that's
all that's there. Where would you be at if let me
ask you this Would George Pickens still being in

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Pittsburgh move the needle for you at all if you were Rogers?
No, no, absolutely not. Two guys who want the ball way
too much? No thank you.
No thank you. I would much rather just wait
out Minnesota. No question.

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It's a way better, way better run organization right now.
Give me your, it's just like, give me your.
Pittsburgh is just like again, they're trying to do the like
beat 9:00 and 8:00 again and lose by 22 in the wild card
round, like have the stones to not be mid, do like be really

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bad and get the reset you need. Or like they just don't.
Yeah, I just Pittsburgh, I mean,their their biggest issue has
been a complete inability to do anything about the quarterback
position. Like, genuinely, out of all the
quarterback options that they have brought through since Ben
retired, you cannot tell me thatthere has been a single better

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move that they've made than drafting Will Howard.
And I don't say that. That is not to say like, oh,
yeah, Will Howard. That is to crap on all the other
attempts that they've made to address quarterback.
Like, Kenny Pickett was an awfulselection.
Justin Fields, Russ Wilson, Giveme a break.
And then you got the revolving Mason Rudolph, Merry go round.

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Like Mason Rudolph has to set upat the edge of his bed every
morning. And thank God that Tim Boyle
exists, so he's not and and WillLevis, so he's not the worst
quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not good. And and maybe, just maybe, if

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they don't land Rogers, they will maybe be bad enough to be
near the top of the draft and take QB.
Wouldn't that be something? What stings is that there have
been decent Q BS who have been within range for them and they

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don't take a swing. And then 2022 is the year that
they go out and draft a first round quarterback, the worst
quarterback class that we've had.
I don't know, maybe in my lifetime.
I mean, 2013 was not good either. 2013 didn't happen.
We don't talk about that. Well, that counts unless

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lifetime stopped. All right.
Is Pittsburgh. Actually, I'm trying to think of
quarterbacks that have been in range for Pittsburgh.
The problem with Pittsburgh is they pick, like, 20th every
year. Well, they could have Jordan
Love. Yeah.
They could have had 2020. Yeah.

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Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love. Obviously there's Brock Purdy.
That's that's a tough one to where was Pittsburgh?

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Wait, wait a minute. No, no.
What you got? The Minka trade rid them of
their first round pick in 2020, so they did not have a chance to
take Love. They may have still had a chance

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to take Hertz, though. Yeah, yeah, they did have a
chance to take Hertz. So they really haven't been in a
great position to take a round one QB.
Yeah, in a long time. Yeah.
This is Mason Rudolph of the Third in 2018.
Yep. You know, you had a couple guys

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who didn't really pan out like Brask and Mond and Ritter and
Hooker and Levis. I I didn't like a single one of
those guys. Yeah, the non firsts.
Yeah. I didn't like Drew Lock in 2019.
So it's really it's Jalen Hurts,that's it.
John Hertz. And then obviously the entire

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league, including the 49ers missed on Brock Purdy.
Yeah. So so they just they they again,
they consistently pick between like 18 and 24, just never in a
position to do it. Just never.
So maybe this is it unless they somehow find some voodoo magic

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to go nine and eight with Will Howard playing QB, which I guess
they're they're going to give them a chance, plenty of a
chance that if they do that again, which again continues
their cycle of just never being in position.
But like, hey, will the fans be OK if we win 9 or 10 games?

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Yes, great. Arthur Smith is still there OC,
right? Yes, give me your, give me your
official professional stance. Did Rogers retire or keep trying
to play somewhere this year? I mean, I would try to play

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somewhere personally because again, you can linger around so
QB could go down in a situation where they're ready to go and
you just you just come in and roll like 2 over.
This says Matt Canada got fired in time to miss the tariffs.

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Beautiful, beautiful. Nice.
Honestly, the Steelers saw that coming and that's why they fired
him. They wouldn't fire him due to
his crappy offenses. Hey, we got Bruce Edmonds in the
chat. Bruce Edmonds, happy to have you
here. I mean, it is just, it is just
Minnesota like really if like ifMcCarthy just doesn't look good

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or the knee continues to bother him, like you're ready to go.
Maybe Denver if Nix goes down, they want a one year rental and
they feel like they're ready to go all in and do that stuff.
But I don't know that's why. Do you think next would go down?
Seems why? Because injuries happen.

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Well, you're just saying that they're one of the teams that
has like 0 depth QP. Yeah, where it's like if you're
in position to to take steps forward and you lose your QB,
like you can bring him in to potentially make the run.

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Minnesota's obviously the best one of those because it's a guy
in a rookie contractor. You could bring in a one year
rental if he's just not ready togo and the knee is still an
issue. Because again, I just don't
think Pittsburgh like I just I, I kind of get why he's holding
out. I just of Pittsburgh 'cause I
just don't feel like they're like team where you walk in

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there and you go, Oh yeah, this is exceptional.
We can, we can do this. Like, it probably took New York
for him to kind of realize that of like, OK, maybe it isn't like
maybe we're, you know, if I, if I thought this was really good
and I'm not even as confident about this situation, it was
about New York. Like, why should I go there type

(34:59):
of thing? Yeah.
Yeah. Would you would you have I I
don't feel like you and I talkeda lot about Roger's decision to
go to New York. Where were you at at the time of
his decision to go to The Jets? I I have no problem going there.

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I think they needed to continue to invest in online once he got
there. And clearly that was the case
considering what happened 4 plays in.
But yeah, I still think they have.
I still thought that that rosterhad plenty of talent.
Obviously, the defense of the year prior was, you know,

(35:47):
smothering people left and right.
And so, yeah, I thought it was aunit that if they gelled the
right way, could have could havegone a long way.
I like this question from Bruce Edmonds.
Do you expect more 12 personnel this year or with the loaded

(36:08):
wide receiver room? Where did they exploit Minnesota
and Detroit with LAX secondaries?
It's a thoughtful question. I like my, my, my big problem
with trying to run more 12 personnel is that I, I think

(36:28):
that there's a pretty big drop off from Tucker to the other two
wide, you know, tight ends that we have on the roster.
Sorry to Luke Musgrave, but like, if you're going to run 12
personnel, you just don't think you're doing with Luke Musgrave.
I think you're doing a craft in The Sims, honestly, like

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Musgrave, when he's going to getplaying time, they're going to
want to do different things withhim.
Honestly, I kind of expect them to kind of use him more as an H
back this year. You'd like like that's that's

(37:11):
the wrinkle that I see them working with Musgrave in into
the offense this year. I don't know what what would you
do, Jake, if you were if you were the OC?
It's tricky because the secondary is the area to attack
for Minnesota and Detroit. You can throw on both those
teams. It is.

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It definitely is. I think with, with Minnesota,
you have to be careful because Flores is going to present
similar looks and run different things.
Cover 2, cover 4, Palms quarters.
He has all of that in the bag. And, and clearly last year they

(37:54):
picked it up very, very quick. Like the, the DBS picked it up.
They understood what needed to be done in, in all those
coverages and the blitzes, you know, continue to screw with
quarterbacks and offensive linesand just again, throw offenses
in a blender. So yes, if you have good
protection and you, you know, Love's take, love takes care of

(38:17):
what he needs to in terms of quick process, reading out
what's going on. I, I, yes, it's, it's
exploitable. Detroit is, is exploitable, you
know, just purely because again,outside of the safeties, I don't
feel like there's a lot of threats out there.
Again, maybe Terry and Arnold takes a step in year 2 for them.

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Well, it's not just personnel inDetroit that that factors in.
All right, Like you mentioned Flores being extremely
established and just lost Aaron Glenn.
They just lost Aaron Glenn, which like, I don't know what
the heck to expect from Kelvin Shepherd, OK, former NFL
linebacker. I think he was a third round

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pick and he's been in Detroit for a few years as their outside
linebackers coach or inside linebackers coach, think outside
backers coach and I don't know what to expect from him at all
in terms of is he going to change the scheme at all?
I would lean no. This is his first stop as ADC.

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What Aaron Glenn did worked really well.
I think he's going to try and replicate what they did.
But you know, the so the defensive roster looks a tiny
bit different. You got a totally different guy,
you know, with his his hands on the steering wheel.
And like, frankly, what Aaron Glenn did the last few years in

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Detroit was nothing short of miraculous.
Like it was, it was never a fantastic defensive roster to
begin with. And then you look at the insane
injuries that would pile up, pile up and pile up.
Hey, we lost all of our linebackers.
We lost all of our defensive lineman, whatever.
We're still, you know, just about the best defense in the
NFL. You know, massive credit to

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Aaron Glenn for pulling that off.
That to me, like all the credit has to go to Aaron Glenn for
that. And I, and I don't have any
reason to believe that Kelvin Shepard or anybody else is going
to be able to step in and get the same results with a fully
healthy defensive roster that Aaron Glenn did because.
We saw very clearly that it was it was not the players because

(40:36):
the players would disappear and the defense still produced the
same results. Oh, look, our entire front seven
are all gone except for, you know, James Houston is still
here, you know, trying to twist ankles off, but, you know,
sticks to the front seven are gone and the defense doesn't
look any different. So that to me takes away a lot

(41:00):
of credit for just, you know, which players you're you're
working with. But it's it's such an unknown.
And I think like, obviously Flores is the much scarier
defence to go up against because, you know, it's going to
be tough. But I'm a little bit scared of
the unknown as well. I kind of like familiar.
I like the lethal familiar a little bit more than I like the

(41:23):
unknown. That may suck.
Yeah, not to mention you're going to get the unknown right
off the bat. So yeah, certainly a little bit
of that. I just, I think Detroit again
continues to the Tylik Williams pick in the first.
We're building out that interior.
We're going to have two guys whocan, you know, basically take on

(41:45):
three at any time and then, you know, get the linebackers to get
to their spots. So they're, they're going to be,
they're they're building to stopthe run because they know what
the what they've been doing running the football is how
teams are going to again, adjustthe 2 high shells and all that.
So they, they understand, you know, they've been kind of maybe
1/2 step ahead perhaps in, in that regard.

(42:08):
So they understand that the question is is a little bit less
of like, I think they're the anti Falcons for me on defense,
where it's like Atlanta has like, oh, we added all these
awesome pass rushers and it's like very cool, very nice for
you. How are you getting to your
third and seven, third and eight?
Like how are you getting there to to be your at your most

(42:30):
effective? Detroit is like, OK, you can get
to the third and seven, but whathappens?
You hope the safeties are are ina position to make a play or you
hope that that Hutchinson wins the one-on-one.
Because other than that, I thinkthat's their plan.
The plan. That's that's it, which again,

(42:51):
banking on turnovers is just nota sustainable thing, first of
all. And so I mean, every team in the
last few years that has had a, aplayer like Hutchinson like that
has just turned into the team's MO.
You look at the Texans, you lookat the Steelers, it's just, it's
been their MO. Think the think the Steelers,

(43:12):
you know, so they like set and smashed the record by like 20
plus games of consecutive games with a sack.
Like they they the streak finally broke at like 47 or
something stupid. You know, I think the previous
record had been like 21 or something.
It was wild because hey, you have a guy or a couple guys up

(43:32):
front and sure, the the Lions dohave the defensive lineman to
create that kind of pressure, but are they going to stay
reliant on it? And I would argue that with a
young first time defensive coordinator, the odds of that
happening are pretty high, especially if like if it works

(43:58):
for the first half a season or the first season or whatever,
you get a, you know, this young guy who's never done before and
the players are getting the job done.
That's all the reason in the world to stagnate and not
develop into a talented play caller and get to stick around

(44:20):
years longer than you deserve tobecause of a hot start.
Look at freaking Joe Berry, right?
Year one for Joe Berry in Green Bay.
I vividly remember listening to podcasts at the conclusion of
year one of Joe Berry where the whole topic was we got to build
around Joe Berry, all right? We got to quit, you know, quit

(44:44):
throwing talent at the offense and lean into Joe Barry and his
defense. Why?
Because of like, you know, basically half a season of good
results, you know, just a hot finish to his first year with
the team. It's not a very useful point
that I'm making, but it's a it'sa I'd like to see this happen,

(45:07):
frankly, like to see. Yeah.
Detroit yeah, I back to the likethe original question real quick
of, you know, are they going to be in in 12 a little bit more
probably. Again, I think there's I mean,
you got to see it from some of these like we've talked ad

(45:29):
nauseam, Reed Wicks, Dobbs dropping the football, right.
And and the the the shift and the the what we're seeing of
teams running the football more under center stuff.
I think they're certainly hopingthat Musgrave can take a step.
Now. I don't think Musgrave is going
to be, you know, running much other than into the flat up the

(45:51):
seam or on like deep over routesbecause that's just where he's
at his best. So, so he doesn't have to like
turn sharply with any of the routes that he's running because
it's quite frankly, it's just, it probably isn't going to
happen. He just doesn't seem coordinated
enough to do it. And it's not that he's like
super, super young either. So I, I do think like best case

(46:16):
scenario, yeah, Kraft is going to have to be in line a ton.
Unfortunately, where it's it's it's not going to have two guys.
You can you can move in and out to the kind of the flex wing
tight end position, while the others kind of in that that true
in line spot, right. So that makes it difficult.
And it makes it I think especially difficult because of
how Green Bay's running the football now with with a lot

(46:39):
more gap, a lot more power stuffwhere it just doesn't seem like
Musgrave is built for that to sit in line on a lot of those.
He seems more like of an ancillary piece of like less of
him, you know, true, true assignments at the line of
scrimmage. It's going to be more of like,
hey, can you pick the safety off?
Can you pick off a linebacker perhaps, like because they're

(46:59):
getting more vertical with the run game, it just feels like
Musgrave isn't quite built to bethe combo tight end in those
situations. I think he would have been
better suited to to help out a lot more in line if they were
still heavy outside zone, wide zone stuff.
So it, it feels like, again, you're going to have to rely on
kind of craft and Sims for a lotof the 12 stuff where you feel

(47:20):
like you need to, you know, havethat level of push on the edge.
But there are going to be situations where Musgrave can
come out there, still be an ancillary piece while also being
a threat of the seam. So it's it's not going to, I
guess, totally hamper them, but it it is going to limit their
ability to, you know, give craftand and maybe even Sims a little

(47:42):
bit different assignments when he's out there just because I
don't think he's quite built forwhat they're trying to do now
versus what they're trying to dowhen he was a a a second round
pick. That's my concern.
That's why it would have been really nice to have a Loveland
or a Warren on the team. If you really want to be in

(48:05):
heavy 12 personnel like it, it makes more sense.
But I do think they're they're going to be understand or
they're going to be running a lot with Jacobs.
Hopefully Marshawn Lloyd, you know, gets gets some looks this
year and can stay healthy. So it's I I think they're built
for it. If they if Sims can be a major

(48:25):
factor as a blocker, it's going to help craft get unleashed
more. That's that's really how you're
going to have to do it or just straight out of 11 right where
you still have an illusion of running.
That's where maybe again, Savionand and maybe, you know, Wix
could kind of be your your adjusters a little bit of like,
yeah, we can help in the blocking game as well to kind of

(48:48):
put you in more of 11 1/2. Looks like kind of the Rams do a
lot with puka. I know we've talked about this a
ton, but I think it's I think it's really interesting and A
and a good question to keep kindof kind of pushing this home of
like they can still be an 11 without totally being there.
If Savion really takes a step in, like shows that I can be a a

(49:11):
dominant blocker in addition to kind of my rear movement skills,
then you have Wicks kind of potentially being that guy as
well lining up in the slot. And it gives you all those
opportunities for Dobbs and and maybe even Reed and Golden on
the perimeter to, you know, win your once, find space against
zone, all of that good stuff that that we need, you know, the
high level receiving play to do so.
Yeah, it it's it's a tough one where Musgrave isn't quite built

(49:35):
to be the combo tight end for this offense.
But I do think you're still going to see more of it this
year because I do think they're they're going to be
opportunities for Sims to be in there and Kraft to get unleashed
in a lot of different scenarios,a lot of different routes to to
get him heavily involved. That's kind of why I talked
about last week of like, I thinkKraft could be potentially the

(49:59):
guy to kind of the offense runs through him a little bit more
than we've seen in the past. So that's yeah, it it would be,
it would be it would be incredible if at 253 Musgrave
was was a little a little bettersuited to kind of this more
vertical get downhill in a hurryrun game.

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It just isn't the case, which istough, just tough for him.
Just kind of another add on to his like this plus the injuries
of like man, it's just landing spot is so crucial and
availability is so crucial when you get drafted of like you
could just kind of get phased out of something switches like
that. So do you have any thoughts

(50:44):
about the fact that there are a couple different guys on the
roster we drafted really recently who no longer seem to
be schematic fits? Obviously the the biggest
examples are Jordan Morgan and Luke Musgrave.
There's other guys as well. Do you have any thoughts?
Is is that just, is that just, hey, it happens sometimes, you

(51:06):
know, you got to. Yeah, I think so.
I again, I know where Musgrave has made his hay is on big
plays, like a big plays down thefield off of, you know, play
action where you get that late release.
Yeah, it's it. Yeah, it's tough.

(51:28):
Things can change, right? The cyclical, you know, shift
has has kind of already begun. And so you kind of, you know,
you get it to a point where, yeah, where Morgan they thought
would be a right guard and it's maybe like, well, maybe he's
just not the true pusher in there of like, OK, well, let's
get him back to tackle where we know he can kind of show off the

(51:49):
footwork and movement skills. So yeah, there there is some of
that for sure. And and guys get stuck in tough
positions, especially again, defence changes.
You're in A34 to a four three. It's kind of like, well, wait a
minute, I'm a 248 LB pass rusher.
Where am I playing in this new defence?
That's kind of, well, you're kind of not anymore the type of
thing like it, it certainly doeshappen.

(52:10):
And it it's good that it's only like we're only kind of looking
at two players for this, you know, instead of like a bunch,
which is which is a good thing. Like it's not really, it's not
out of place this shift for Shawn Ryan, which is really
nice. It's definitely not out of place
for someone like Belton, who I think we kind of have talked
about plenty of like, yeah, he could play here or here type of

(52:31):
thing. So that's nice at least that
it's only been a couple. Now both of them are top 45
selections. So that's not ideal that that
those are, you know, guys that were picked high in the draft.
But I do think they want to get Musgrave involved a little bit.
It's just, again, it's not goingto be at least, you know, coming

(52:52):
out the gate of like, it's, it'snot going to be like, well,
Musgrave can be the true inline guy here at the Y and then you
have crafted the flex. And if we, you know, we have the
illusion of, of getting downhill.
It's kind of like, do you though, Do you really?
And, and so that's where I do think, yeah, it, it, it, it is a
tough situation when it, when itcomes to that because it, it can
happen in coverage too, right? It could happen with the

(53:14):
coverage principles of like, man, no, I, I need to be an off.
I need to be able to process andsee in front of me rather than
being up at the line of scrimmage.
Like there, there are certainly corners who go through that as
well. Like it happens, it's at every
position essentially. Like, yeah, this this
adjustment, you know, doesn't quite fit me, unfortunately.
So yeah, Bruce, Bruce dropped a question in the chat that like

(53:42):
grabbed me super weird and then corrected it.
He said offensive line is still pass block week and run block
strong. And then he said, wait, reverse
what? I said I was like, OK, because
my first question was going to be Jake.
I'm missing something. I think.
I think you're, I mean at least like at least last year, the run

(54:03):
blocking was totally respectablecompared to other recent years
for the pack. Basically since it's kind of
like 2019, they were a pretty darn decent run blocking team.
I remember, like, Bakhtiari in particular, the difference in
Bakht run blocking from 18 to 19.

(54:24):
It's like Matt Lafleur got here and he's like, hey, so you're
like a all pro kind of guy. I feel like if I ask you to do
something that you can do it really well.
Has anybody ever asked you to run block before?
And he's like, no, not really. He's like, hey, here's how I
want you to do it. Oh, I'm going to destroy the NFL

(54:45):
and be the best run blocker in the league.
So it was kind of fun. But yeah, Bruce says, wasn't
that more Jacobs and Jones before?
Wasn't what? More Jacobs and Jones before?
You're just talking about the running success in 24 and in 19.

(55:08):
Is that what you're clarify for me, Bruce?
I'm not following your question.Yeah, I want to understand it
for sure. Something that I want to talk
about. Here we go, Jacobs.
What? Reaching.
What Is this me? Bruce put down the beard.

(55:33):
Oh, all 10 fingers. Oh, is he saying?
Maybe he's saying Jacob's now asthe lead.
OK, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Bruce was 2019 a product of Aaron Jones being good as the

(55:53):
the run blocking unit was good. Aaron Jones made them look
better and maybe also Jacobs made the run blocking look
better in 24. I think that's what he's getting
at, I think, and I think that's what he's getting at.
For me, the obvious answer is like, hey, sure, you got to give
the running backs some credit for being really good at their

(56:15):
jobs those years. But no, the offensive line also
ran block. You see.
Ran block, run blocked. It's ran blocked.
I don't, oh, that's now that's an issue.
Has anybody ever tried to say this sentence ran blocked, run
blocked. It's got to be run blocked, rush
blocked. I got a couple.

(56:37):
I need the pass coaches that I could call up and ask.
I kind of want to, if I had my computer set up to be able to do
the all past activities. RAM blocked.
RAM block. I think that's which robot that
you asked. Which robot?
I didn't ask a robot. I'm going to ask a robot.

(57:00):
OK, that's, that's interesting. Now we're now we're getting the
derailed of now we're getting the derailed run blocked, run
block, run blocked. I should specify in runed

(57:20):
blocked football. No, I want, I want to see, I'm
going to look at the robot, saysPaul.
Run blocked, run blocked. Really.
You wouldn't say ran blocked or run blocked.
You would say, well, run blocked, I think well, no, you
that's a good point. You would say past blocked.

(57:44):
That's because the English language sucks, because of
course you would say you, you wouldn't say that because all
our, our, our English language is terrible.
There's so many different webcamdisappeared.
The heck it did. It did do that, but yeah, that

(58:04):
the heck. Where's my video?
I don't know right now it's got Jordan love in front of Oh, it
was like perfect, actually. Yeah, that's really good.
That's really good tool for that.
Says run blocked. Yeah, I think you're correct.
I think you're I think you're correct.
Sounds so weird because it sounds like you're you're

(58:24):
running still. Bruce Edmund said I got a vid
blocked. That is the truth.
I think I'm going to have to refresh my stinking.
All right, Jake, I'm going to begone for like 9 seconds.
All right. Sounds good.
OK, as we were getting to the past tense stuff, I mean, Josh

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Jacobs, when you look at like yards after contact per attempt,
yeah, it is best three seasons. You look at, you know, all above
like 33.4 and above where 2024 happened to be his best year of
like yards after contact per attempt for Jacobs.
And so I think it can, I think it can be kind of both where

(59:06):
it's and and that's the kind of like the coverage versus pass
rush debate that always happens,right?
Of like which is actually more important.
And so like, I wonder if it's just kind of like you it it both
elevate the others like Jacobs because they switched the scheme

(59:27):
up to help him, right? Like that, That conversely helps
him, keeps him fresh of like, yeah, this is what I'm used to
doing all that. And the the the offensive line
maybe again, was the interior especially was maybe just a
better fit and they felt like more comfortable there.
But like I I do think they can elevate each other in those

(59:50):
scenarios. And I know I'm looking at 2019
Aaron Jones. I mean, yeah, he had 19
touchdowns for sure. Yards after contact force missed
tackles, they're both up there. Yards after contact wasn't.
But like, I do think again, I think you can I, I think both

(01:00:10):
elevate the other. Like good offensive lines can
make extremely average running backs look very very good and
good schemes. Like Elijah Mitchell was going
nuts in San Francisco for like an 11 week span or so.
And it's like, that's a six run pick.
Like because it's a good fit, because it's a good fit.

(01:00:31):
And because the offensive line'sdoing their job.
You know, they, they, they're elevating his play and, and you
know, the, the scheme fit is elevating his play as well.
Like I, I do think there are certainly running backs that
elevate and can hide offensive line deficiencies as well.

(01:00:54):
Magenti did a lot of great work with the old line didn't and so
he, yes, he certainly helped it and and him above replacement
for sure, no question. So I, I do think there is just,
I don't think you can specifically say one helped the
other 100%. Can you give maybe more credit

(01:01:18):
to one or the other? Absolutely.
But again, I think the Jacobs, you know, Green Bay getting to
gap power stuff where Jacobs hadkind of been more half and half
essentially what it looked like last year in Green Bay as well,
like he had done that already inVegas.
That helps him. Conversely, that may help the
offensive line. They've got some bigger guys,

(01:01:39):
right? Jenkins wasn't going to have any
problem doing that. Sean Ryan, another guy who can
definitely move people around like that.
That was helpful to him. And so like, yes, they maybe
their play elevates because they're more comfortable in it.
And then, you know, Jacobs is going to, you know, his play is
going to be, you know, impressive because that's who he
is and that's where he's comfortable.

(01:02:01):
And yes, did Jacobs help out theonline on on, you know, plenty
of occasions? Sure.
But I do think maybe the scheme change also helped the offensive
line help elevate Jacobs as well, if that makes sense.
Like, I do think there are just far more variables going on than
just kind of being like, well, because he's coming in, you

(01:02:21):
know, he made them look better. Yes.
But again, it's, it's not a like100% thing.
So there are a lot of factors that went in, like the, the fact
that the, the, the running game looked as good as it did
changing schemes, I think is kind of maybe a testament to
like maybe some of those guys weren't great fits for what
Green Bay was doing, you know, previously.

(01:02:42):
And so that's, you know, something else to discuss as
well. So, yeah, I, I just think again,
I, I love the question from Bruce, 'cause I think it's a
really interesting one, but it'sjust, there's so many variables.
So yes, did did Jacob's prob maybe help the O line a little
bit more than the online helped him?
Probably sure. I I think you could definitely
say that I think the scheme helped the online a little bit

(01:03:06):
more as well, which in turn helps, you know.
So it's it is kind of that like a lot of a lot of things are
going into it, bringing it, bringing it full circle to a
point we're making right before this.
It feels like the front office and the coaching staff are not

(01:03:28):
always on the same page in GreenBay.
And I I want it, I want to hit acouple of oh, because of because
Jacobs and and Morgan were in the same kind of offseason
acquisition type of thing. That's, you know, that's it's
not that's yeah. And and also to your point, you
know, just looking at yeah, someof the body types on the

(01:03:50):
offensive line that they have had last few years and what they
try to do with them. But I, I do want to hit a couple
of these questions that are starting to get older in the
chat before maybe a circle back to this.
We got a new user or new visitorin the chat here.
Bayshore Park, bunch of digits. Do you know if OTAs will be open

(01:04:12):
to the public tomorrow? First of all, Bayshore, thank
you for joining the chat. Nice to have a new face in here.
So I saw somebody else was answering the question.
I do know prior to like 2022 or maybe 2021 there were OTAs that
were open to the public and thatis no longer the case.

(01:04:33):
I know for sure in 2019 that wasa thing. 2020 that was a thing
as well. I think 21 maybe in the last
year that that was a thing. And my understanding is that
they're going to have one OTA per each of the four weeks where
they're doing OTAs, but at the media is going to be allowed to

(01:04:55):
view part of it and have access to the players.
And the rest of the time, it's going to be totally locked on
you in the media. So your offseason access
continues to dwindle a little bit.
It's just the way the Packers have been doing things.
Tool for this says, did you knowyou can't run in a campground?
You can only ran because it's past tense.

(01:05:15):
Pretty good tool for the best. A classic.
A classic one. Yeah, I like it.
I'm not, I'm not. I'm not into dad jokes, but
that's that's a good one right there.
Also, why is Jordan love common from John Wick?
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Jordan love as an assassin who'shunting bears and the bears

(01:05:38):
weren't working out, so I put a wall up there instead.
But yeah, I thought this one turned out nice and then I
forgot to upload it at the beginning of the stream so.
Let's. See here.
And then the other problem with Dylan is that he tried to be a
different back than his body type allowed.
Look at Emmanuel Wilson also being really good.

(01:05:59):
I mean, just throw it on the pile of reasons why AJ Dylan is
disappointing to watch in Green Bay.
Bruce says it's why they broughtheft to right guard and moving
Jenkins to center. No, Jake respond to the moving
Jenkins to center. So Bruce says it's why they

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brought heft to right guard and moving Jenkins to center.
Like my take would be like they moved Jenkins to center out of
necessity. Wait, what's why they didn't
have somebody else? I think he's getting a scheme
change. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's what
he's getting at. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
Like I didn't think that Josh Myers was a poor fit for the

(01:06:40):
scheme change. He just was for the new scheme.
He just wasn't a great center. Yeah, I feel, I feel like, I
don't know. I don't know if he just.
Yeah, it's really the balance. I feel like with a lot of the
run game stuff that can go a little haywire.

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See, I mean, I think, I mean Jenkins going back to center,
Yeah, certainly necessity, certainly Like, you know, they
Banks and I presume Belton are going to take the two guard
spots. But yeah, I do think they, you
know, this shift wasn't by accident for a couple reasons.

(01:07:25):
One, because Jacobs comes in andhe's familiar with it.
And two, because of where we're at, right running gap stuff, you
know, is definitely worth it when you have you know, if if
there's not going to be a nose tackle on defensive line
sometimes and you got light guysout there at at edge and you got
light guys playing linebacker, just like don't go, don't go

(01:07:48):
wide. Don't let them be able to hunt
you down with their athleticism.No, like push them around, like
get to the second level with some guys is on top of it and
like just push 200 and 15220 LB little skateboarder,
skateboarder Groms who are playing linebackers just, you
know, send them home. Like don't have to mess around

(01:08:10):
with any of that. So yeah, I mean, that that shift
is is partially, yes, for Jacobs, partially because again,
this this, this shift that's going on and absolutely should
be taking apart taking part in it.
So yeah, no question other than other than a handful of poorly

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managed snaps from Jenkins, he seemed good at centre.
But that issue will be fixed in the offseason.
I have 0 concerns about Elton atcentre.
I would have 0 concerns about Zach Tom at centre.
Frankly, I wouldn't even be thatscared if they were moving Sean
Ryan to centre. Nothing.
I want that to happen, but if that was the world I had to live

(01:08:55):
in, you wouldn't see me losing sleep over that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, like, is centre super
important? Yeah.
Is Elton more than capable of putting together a good season
at centre? I mean, it's not even.
Close. Yeah, honestly, the only, the

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only spot that I would be at allstressed about moving Elton to
would be like somewhere along the the right side of the
offensive line, maybe in particular right tackle.
I wouldn't want to see again. That's why whatever year that
was, 2022 or whatever made me somad.
It was just never a good idea. But yeah, I mean, put an Elton

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anywhere else in the offense, wine or tight end or whatever,
doesn't make me nervous at all. OK, Bruce is bringing it full
circle again. You mentioned front office
versus coaching staff. I says Bruce Edmonds got
destroyed for saying there is a culture issue in the locker

(01:10:00):
room. I think there is a disconnect.
You saying you feel that right now.
I would certainly say at times in the last couple of years
there have been issues there like Joe Berry's final year
there and also Mike Patten's final year there.
Definitely felt like the defensive locker room was really

(01:10:21):
in shambles. I mean, there was, yeah, what
year, 2023, That was the, that was Joe Barry's final year out
there. That was when you had, you know,
Jair getting suspended. Every single player on defense
was clearly fed up and frustrated with what was going
on with Joe Barry. You had Devondrey Campbell
having his little meltdowns and stuff.
And I don't, I haven't gotten the sense that this is currently

(01:10:46):
happening. I think I think maybe the one
area you might look at is that the wide receiver room, it seems
like the biggest problem that they have is all about like
where their headspace is at all right?
You know, you call that culture,call it development.

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I don't know. But it seems like the wide
receiver room has more uncertainty than anywhere else
on the roster. And you see, hey, you know,
Dobbs is having issues. Jaden Reed seems like he's
having issues of of discontentment.
You know, both of these guys that that it enough that it is
leaking out to the public at least that this is going on.

(01:11:31):
You know, and of course, it's all there plenty of the day for
us to see, you know, the concentration drops, just the
mental mistakes run into each other that kind of stuff.
Like, so if I was going to pointto anywhere on the roster other
than Matt Orszack and say, hey, here's a problem, you know, with
culture, wide receiver would maybe be that spot.
And again, I don't think they'rebad guys, but I don't have

(01:11:55):
concerns about anywhere else on the roster.
I know there's a lot of heartburn over Jair, but I just
think like, we know Jair, he's he's been around for forever.
We know what he's like and why people continue to get surprised
when Jair is Jair or think that there's something there and it's

(01:12:16):
just like, come on, you know whohe is.
I don't know why, why it's hard to remember who he is and hard
to remember that stuff is just going to come up and it's worth
it because he's such a good player and he is a pretty good
leader, you know, but but peopleget, I don't know, caught off

(01:12:39):
guard by it or something. Matt Ozark or owes his chap to
Daniel Whelan. Amen, brother.
Adam Huddleston. The wide receiver room is all
the dudes who are all making no money.
I mean, I'd like to be making their their money.
I'll just say that be kind of nice.

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Yeah. Bruce Edmund says, Lost to Lions
last three, last game three years ago.
I mean, I, dude, I don't even care about that.
Like that's a Roger's year to me, that's still kind of like
him trying to do it his way. So I don't, I don't, I mean,
things are so different. So this, yeah, that's something

(01:13:22):
that's a different team, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, like who who do you have his friends from that
game? Like Lazard was on that team.
Were you going to point to from that game and and still be
annoyed at them today? Who was on the roster like Kenny
Clark? Like, I think the list has to
begin with Kenny Clark because, like, because like, who else is
still here? Who was, you know, a big player

(01:13:44):
in that game? Yeah.
Brian Maffey wants to know why we're talking about Rogers.
Wasn't he always a jet? Yeah.
I mean, he's been a jet for, youknow, my lifetime.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. I don't know.

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I, the locker room thing is like, yeah, I know it's
important, I get it. I, I just get those, those
questions aren't, that is interesting to me, but I, I
understand why, why people ask them.
Well, it's it's also just hard to talk about because there's
it's impossible for us to have any idea what's going on in

(01:14:27):
there. Like until, until there's, I
don't know, major leaks going onfrom unhappy players.
It's impossible to know what's going on.
And like, hey, you see teams around the league where that is
the case and you know how bad things are getting the locker
room. And you know, thank goodness

(01:14:47):
that that's almost never the Packers.
You know, we, we listed the two occasions in the Mat Lafleur era
where you'd say that was the case.
And for both of them, it was thefinal half a season under a lame
duck defensive coordinator who you knew wasn't going to be
back, who none of the fan base really wanted to have back his

(01:15:07):
final season. And it just seemed like, hey,
maybe for financial reasons, they're keeping him around for
one final year. Maybe he'll turn things around.
And you saw the the players clearly having frustration with
the fact that they felt like it was a wasted year because they
didn't like, you know, working under this defensive
coordinator. Can you really be that annoyed

(01:15:28):
of them? Brian says Marty Bennett knows
what's going on. Yeah, I don't know.
I the San Francisco game. I don't, I don't know, like, I
guess I I guess youth must not be an excuse then, which is
fine. You're I guess, doesn't have to

(01:15:50):
be. Yeah.
I mean, yes, the Bears game sure.
Does Matt Lafleur have a handle on everything as a head coach
that you maybe want him to? I guess not.
But also why are they not getting over the hump?
I see comments about the 21 yearold millionaires.
I think that's a pretty weak oneconsidering every team is is

(01:16:13):
bringing in 21 year old millionaires every year.
Yeah, show me the team is not Why is why would that change via
team? That would that would come down
to which 21 year old millionaireare you drafting?
That's a that's a front office scouting issue then, because
again, there's, there's plenty of those guys that are doing

(01:16:33):
great job and, and really not having any problems.
So if that's the well, and, and show me an NFL team not worried
about that places more emphasis on character than the Green Bay
Packers do when it comes to scouting draft talent.
There's probably one out there that I'm not thinking of, but I

(01:16:54):
mean, they're, they're certainlyup there.
It ain't the Chiefs, No, no keepwinning Super Bowl at the Super
Bowl. No, not the Eagles.
It's not no, if it if it's a team out there, it's got to be
like the Ravens or something. I mean, I mean they just brought
in Mike Green. They just drafted Mike Green.
So so I don't I don't know. I don't know.

(01:17:20):
Maybe Detroit Indy cares. Indy cares.
Tampa Bay from say, Detroit, Detroit is like, they're like
the poster child for let's bringin mean guys and play dirty.
You don't think so? What's?
OK, So you're saying mean is like a bad character trait Then
I guess for a context, I mean, the Packers are certainly bad or

(01:17:41):
like mean guys or like bad character 'cause I think those
are two very different conversations personally of like
this guy. Do you think it's unfair to say
that Jameson Williams had character concerns?
I don't know. I don't what were they?
I I don't even remember that, though.

(01:18:03):
See, it's I feel like I mean that was that was again, that
was said about Nolan. I don't we never figured out
what that was. We still don't know which to me,
like the character stuff is likestuff that's clearly been like
reported and written down and like have like, like Devante
Wyatt had a couple of them, Right.

(01:18:27):
Right. Carter obviously for Philly,
Right. So yeah, I, yeah, I guess
there's a difference between, yeah, like the Lions actually
turning out to bring out like kneecap biters versus like guys
who have, you know, essay allegations and domestic stuff
that are like out there, like, you know, Bond.
That's that's one huge difference.

(01:18:47):
Yeah. So I guess if you're going like
if, if, yeah, if you want to saylike, you know, truly like guys
like that are like not either ofthose.
Yeah. That's Tampa Bay.
I mean, Tampa Bay like they had Antonio Brown like here.
Yeah, immediately where he went as soon as as soon as the

(01:19:10):
Patriots dropped him for his legal problems.
But again, they had truly running the show when when that
was going on. That seems like well, they also
had right. What's the what's the Detroit
guy? The defensive defensive end from
Detroit. He went to Tampa that year.

(01:19:32):
Defensive end defensive just a trillion personal fouls in in
Detroit. They constantly.
The heck was his name? Yeah, help me out.
What's the defensive end? What the heck am I thinking of

(01:19:57):
defensive end? I'm on Pro Football Reference
players who play for Detroit andTampa, and now I can sue.
Oh, oh, oh, defensive tackle. Yeah, yeah, It was like
defensive end. I couldn't no, in my in my head,
I was, I was trying to think of it, but it was it was definitely
true. That's definitely what I was

(01:20:17):
thinking. I got you.
I got you. Where were we?
We were trying to yeah, we were,we got a we got way derailed
just trying to think of who values character in their
players more than the more than the Packers too.
I I would, I would say like maybe Indy is, is in the mix

(01:20:39):
there. Indy Houston, yeah.
TJ Lang United Sue's shoes, that's true.

(01:20:59):
And Aiden Hutchinson United JK Dobbins shoe in college.
It's true. That was hilarious.
That's true. That was my favorite memory from
that game. Yes.

(01:21:21):
Sack celebrations, I guess. Yeah.
I don't. I don't know.
To me, like the getting over thehump conversation is more about
like the talent acquisition thananything else of like, how do
you feel about the pass rush right now?
Like how does everyone feel about it?

(01:21:42):
Like they didn't do a lot to, you know, I mean, they yeah, 3
swings on day three, I guess. But like if it felt like, you
know, a couple premium spots, did they do, do they do enough?
Right. Like that seems I think maybe
more of their the question rather than that, but well,
yeah. Well, like how how would you
rank the biggest holes that you see on the raw show?

(01:22:04):
Like I I would certainly have tostart with defensive line and
then like for me, defensive end is not far behind it honestly.
Yeah, yeah, I I think that's gotto be where it starts.
And obviously corner would be ifJaw wasn't.
We kind of already covered that,so it less so.
But yeah, I mean, have we had a fair conversation on this

(01:22:25):
channel about the cornerback depth with Jaw in the mix?
You got Jaw and Hobbs, I think so.
And Valentine and Nixon. And that is the complete list of
cornerbacks on the roster, basically.
Like when we put together our 53, we had Michael Robinson as

(01:22:50):
our CB5. That's right.
Yeah. So Kaylin King is still around.
We got Jonathan Baldwin, who else we even have on the roster
as they had done. I think we released Kamal had in
a couple days ago or maybe that was Caleb Hayes.
We released one of the two. I think it was Caleb Hayes.
There's a guy named Tyron Herring who was a UDFA this

(01:23:13):
year, Miss freaking thin at cornerback.
I'm like even with Jon the mix, I'm pretty darn scared about
just the depth. Like I I want a better CB5 that
we have. I really don't mind the four
that we have. Thanks, Brian.
Yeah, Caleb Hayes is the guy with the released.
I don't mind the top four. I don't know that I think Nate

(01:23:36):
Hobbs is that good of a footballplayer.
I mean, you and I have gone backand forth on this a couple times
that I'm not here to re litigatethat one.
He's probably he's he's probablyat a minimum, he's fine as your
CB2 and I, I should not, you know, be worried about that
Valentine and Nixon. Happy to have them as your CB3
and CB4 like your top 4. You know, you're not going to

(01:23:58):
find a lot of teams in in the NFC with a better DB room than
that. And I think I think in the
division we've got the best DB room.
Not too nervous about that. Honestly, I would put Chicago as
the, you know, second best or maybe they're a little bit
better than us in the DB, you know, total DB package.
But I don't like our depth. I really don't because you get

(01:24:20):
one pre season injury, you know,maybe it's job.
You know, the Packers have had alot of concerns about him
staying healthy. I'm like what the heck was their
plan if they didn't bring Job in?
You got Nate Hobbs, Valentine and Nixon and nobody else got 3
cornerbacks in the roster because they weren't going to
bring somebody else in. I can tell you that.
I didn't know this front offense, they weren't good.
Their front office at this pointin the year was not bringing

(01:24:40):
somebody else in. They weren't.
They were going to go dumpster diving for another result.
Douglas yeah, they're not going to be looking at like Jalen
Ramsey like some teams are rightnow.
Like there's no question they weren't doing that.
So I don't know, it was it was definitely again, strange.
It was offense, offense, offenseto start where it was kind of
like, OK, what what's the plan at corner?

(01:25:01):
What's the plan along the defensive line?
And it's kind of seems to be like, well, it's the guys we
have, that's our plan. And it's like it could it that
that that could work there. The development, it's a
defensible strategy. But when you look at how the
weakness last year was not the defense, it was the offense.
And the front office is clearly still in a situation, even

(01:25:24):
having paid Jordan Love, where they are looking to get answers
and to maximize Jordan Love's opportunities.
Like that's clearly where their head is at right now.
And I don't have a problem with that.
I agree you need to solidify this offense.
And if you build a good offense that can just stick around

(01:25:44):
together for a very long time tothe litany of examples in the
NFL of offenses that it's just the same, you know, like 8 or 9
guys who stick around for forever.
Maybe you cycle a guard in and out, you know, whatever.
Maybe you're wide receiver too. But you just got this core group

(01:26:05):
of offensive players who sticks around for 6 plus years, right?
And the defense is really a yearby year project.
And I'm fine with prioritizing fixing the offense first since
it is a problem and you're not going to fix a permanent defense
into place. I'm fine with that strategy.

(01:26:26):
But I also really questioned if we have the horses in the stable
to like, especially with how many corners we lost this
offseason. It is just bonkers to me that
there was no plan in place to replace any of them.
We lost Ballantyne and Stokes and one other guy drawn a blank

(01:26:48):
on who it was. And you know, any one of those
guys you could in a vacuum look at and say you'll be fine
without them. But then losing like all of them
with no plan. Nate Hobbs is the Nate Hobbs and
Mike Robinson the only guys brought in.
And I'm sorry, I'm not going to sit here and say, well, we go to
7th round pick. Like that's not an addition.

(01:27:11):
Yeah, it's not. It's a lottery pick.
Nate Hobbs. Sure.
So is is Nate Hobbs. We're going to fully replace all
three guys that we lost in the offseason.
I don't like that plan that thatjust leaves you so thin.
Nate Hobs from a numbers stand by.
I'm not talking about Nate Hobson.

(01:27:32):
I'm talking about how good Hobson.
I'm talking about from a numbersstandpoint.
No, I know. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. It it is truly like you're only
as good as your third corner. And I whoever you pick is Green
Bay's third corner. I don't know, man, just between
Nixon and Valentine. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like, I

(01:27:54):
don't know, Yeah. That's that's where it's kind of
like, again, the golden thing was was a lot of fun and it was
it was very cool. And the way Murphy did it was
awesome. And.
And yeah, that that was that wasan all time moment in like a a,
you know, Packers draft history,which we'll look back on fondly
the moment no matter the result.But would I feel a lot better

(01:28:17):
right now knowing my 3 starting corners are JA Nate Hobbs and
Trey Amos? Yeah, I would, I would feel a
lot better. And it's then kind of like,
well, if you're, you know, if you got concerns about the pass
rush, secondary play might be good enough to, you know, give
yourself a few more opportunities, maybe maybe a

(01:28:37):
couple opportunities per game oflike getting home, you know,
because the coverage is so good.And it's like, wow, Luke back
into that defense with with TreyAmos and it looks looks pretty
good. My friends like that.
I would certainly feel better about that.
And I know is this a savion Williams conversation or is it
an Anthony Dalton conversation? Probably a savion conversation.

(01:29:03):
But again, by round 3, who who you like at corner like and also
who fits who the package feel like fits them because I know
Noel certainly like Oh yeah, we liked him.
Wasn't very wasn't very big. The the arm length obviously was

(01:29:24):
was the question. Parish was never going to be
consideration right. Very small slot type of of of
corners. So yeah, it it was a it was a
2-3 games went after we took 59th.
Yeah. But then the next cornerbacks
off the board were Darien Porterat 68.

(01:29:45):
Yeah. Azaria Thomas at 73, right?
Sylvan Revel at 76. Then there was just Revel, Wally
at 80. Yeah, Wally was, Wally was a
pretty small guy as well. And then there were two more.
So Jacob Parish and Noel Williams went right before
Savion. And I, I think that you and I, I

(01:30:08):
think we're both kind of expecting Noel to be the pick
there in that third round. Were you expecting that?
I was expecting that kind of, but like also again, the this
maybe the concerns with some of the thresholds he was hitting.
But like, talent wise? Talent wise, Yes.
Talent wise, yes, I know. Which, frankly, like we need a

(01:30:28):
slot. Yeah.
Too old for this. Is the third Round 2 with him.
Take a slot. No, no, definitely not.
Listen, that's too old for this is.
Got it. You know, you know what I'm
saying? Like that.
Yes, certainly. Certainly would be nice.
Of course. Yeah, that one.

(01:30:52):
That one's going to hurt for a while, I think.
Add it to the list. Add it to the list.
Because man, he is God. I remember doing the video when
I did the video of him and like it published like late November,
early December and he was cooking already and then and
then watching what happened after that.
Like again, pick six, I'm not that concerned about that was

(01:31:13):
terrible decision whatever or not pick six.
No, notwithstanding like this the couple the Rams games like
he is just smothering their top options like it is, it is
really, really good. Where where was I?
I was up here. We can get to that too.
But I have not seen that. Brian's asking, have we seen the

(01:31:39):
podcast that Cooper Jean started?
No, I didn't know. I don't.
I could not list for you a single player podcast that I
watch. I think I tuned into like 3
minutes of AJ Dillon's podcast that he did with his
brother-in-law just for grins. I, I cannot think of a single

(01:32:00):
player podcast I've ever I can name 1.
I think. Oh, who's that Eagles
cornerback? His name because of the DI.
Don't even know. I don't know if he's still with
the Eagles. Oh, Darius Sly, Darius Sly.
So he had a podcast. I listened to an episode where

(01:32:21):
he was he spent like 3/4 of a talking about Jordan Love.
So I tuned in because he had played against Jordan Love, so I
was curious what he thought. That's right.
Yeah. I've listened to Chris Long on
Green Light. Interesting.
A lot of great stuff about like both sides of the of the line
and how they play, which I thinkis really good.

(01:32:42):
They have their own like kind of, you know, more fun episodes
that I think, you know, I think draw people in for sure.
But I really like hearing him talk with offensive lineman
about, you know, all that goes into playing the position.
So that never gets old. I could listen to offensive
lineman talk all day. Some of his episodes are are

(01:33:05):
super, super good to listen to. So honestly, offensive line and
quarterback are the, I would saythe only two positions that are
at all interesting to me to hearthem talk about football.
Like I there there's no positionon on defence.

(01:33:28):
Like even the safeties. Yeah, I guess if I had to pick
one, it'd be the safeties. But, you know, nobody else on
defence is is that interesting to hear talk about.
And then the wide receivers, it's the bubble that the wide
receivers live in on offense is so weird to me because like, OK,
you know, pick any of the, you know, offensive lineman or

(01:33:50):
maybe, you know, like defensive end occasionally, you know, one
of these guys who knows where everybody is at on the field at
all times. And like the wide receiver,
usually when they're talking about football, it's like they
don't register the other positions even exist on the
field. It's just, hey, what am I doing

(01:34:10):
and what's the quarterback doing?
And that's it. It's, it's just interesting, you
know, just the. Yeah.
That's true too, Wolf. This says, for the most part,
players aren't good at podcasts,in my opinion.
Thank goodness, because otherwise we'd be out of a job,
right? All right, we have one thing on
them, right? We can't play football.

(01:34:31):
We may not know the schemes the way they do, but gosh darn it,
we can talk into a mic and soundgood while we do it.
Yeah, how the how the podcast flows, what the agenda is all
that. We're lucky they haven't figured
that out yet. Right, Right.

(01:34:51):
Truly. Yeah.
Well, that's like, OK, So, you know, sometimes you hear
politicians will want to weigh in on football, especially
college football. You know, you get like, yeah,
senators and and whatnot, you know, they'll want to weigh in
on college football. Some of them have done both,
funny enough, one particular onein the Southeast who's an

(01:35:14):
interesting fella to say the least.
But you listen to them, you know, when the few times a year
when they, when it's just obvious that what they really
want is to be podcasters. And it's like, listen, I'll tell
you what, you come on here, be sick to you.

(01:35:34):
You can have my show for a day. You can podcast your heart out
for a day. Let me go try and solve some of
the world's problems. Yeah, that'd be great, honestly.
And instead of, you know, sponsoring over here, bro,
instead of sponsoring stupid bills to legislate, you know
what? What times of day college

(01:35:56):
football games can be played in your home state?
You know how how about you let me get in there and I think I
can do more in one day than you're going to do in a month.
And you can you can eat your heart out talking into a
microphone about college football.

(01:36:17):
Yeah. No question.
No question was the old lineman we had we meaning the Packers
that quit to pursue TikTok. I don't remember this at all.
I remember Blake Martinez becoming a full time like
Pokémon card eBay seller or something Bruce said.

(01:36:41):
Is that I don't know. I feel like I know how to
pronounce that, but I don't knowwhat it is so I don't want to
say it out loud. So yerba is it Yerba mate is
that that sounds like a person'sname.
It does yerba mate. I'm going to Google.
This. Yerbamate is tea caffeine from

(01:37:04):
coffee. Interesting.
Theobromine found a chocolate and polyphenols interesting.
No, this is redacted energy. They don't sponsor us so we
don't say their name on the show.
Yes. What brand of redacted energy
are you drinking or what flavor of redacted?
It's actually not energy. It's just straight up cold brew

(01:37:27):
coffee, nothing else. Coffee, just nothing else in
there. Cold brew coffee.
That's it. Well, and water obviously.
I like I like to put like a sugar free hazelnut syrup, even
like a unsweetened hazelnut syrup in my coffee.
Yeah. I don't need the sweetness, but

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I like the I like the nuttiness from the hazelnut.
I if I make like a latte with like, espresso, I'll put in a
little like vanilla syrup, but it's got, but I I'm very
particular about the syrup. So sure.
Yeah. No, you can't get wrong with
vanilla. Do you?
So me and a couple of friends were having this debate last

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night. This is just coffee.
It turned out it was really polarizing.
Half the people came down on theside of pro hazelnut and the
other side couldn't stand hazelnut.
Where do you stand on hazelnut? I'm in OK, I'm on the hazelnut
side for sure. I like it.
And Nutella, as you said, even from a you're pro Nutella smell,

(01:38:29):
taste perspective. Yeah, yeah, I I probably not as
much because I just know like, Oh yeah, this is this is a lot
of chocolate. Your sugar is like, but like
hazelnut and coffee. I'm I'm very in, very in on
that. So, yeah, I feel like, I feel
like hazelnut, the hazelnut fad exploded.

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I feel like around the time thatyou and I were, oh, not quite
10. Like I remember that's when my
parents just started drinking and that like the crazy that was
like, oh, this is this flavor should have been in here the
whole time. It was so, so trendy.
Speaking of trendy, trendy, Jones is the guy that tool for
this was thinking of dice. Dice, look at you for this, OK?

(01:39:21):
I have. I think we should get to Bruce's
question that I have a question as well after we do, Bruce, you
don't ask a ton of questions on yours.
I'm excited. You should ask more questions
because I look at your questions, OK, But I don't want
to answer this question. I want I want you to answer this
question because I don't I don'tknow that I'm going to have an
intelligent answer to this one. So I'm going to sit down so I

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don't hurt myself, OK. Because frankly, like I didn't,
I didn't have a problem with their pressures last year, to be
honest. No, no.
And and Bruce is asking how, howwill Green Bay create pressure?
I I think for one, I think a lotof people didn't like the pass
force production from Van Ness and Gary.

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And the problem? It's never liked Gary's
production ever, because he getspressures and not sacks and it
pisses off the the fans. Because pressures are useless
and only sacks matter, you know,because 8 plays a year is what
determines whether you're a goodplayer.
Yeah, the so I don't know if Green Bay was unintentionally

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kind of ahead of the curve on the on getting back to this
brand of football where where we're at.
But like the big, the big 200 and 62170 LB edge rushers for
the 3/4 was kind of hilarious towatch.
But when you go to the four three, it's kind of like, oh,
we're better defending the run. Oh well, well, why could that
be? Well, because you have two guys

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who can set the edge because they're huge.
San Francisco didn't go draftingMike Hill, Williams and two nose
tackles, one who could maybe moonlight a little bit more in
West for no reason. They know what's going on.
Philly, Detroit, they're runningthe football.
This is you have to have big bodies up front and setting the
edge so that that is going to bepart of it.

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Like they're playing run first and then they got a transition
to pass and I think it's it's fair to question.
Do they have the right guys to do that?
Right? Is Van Ness the guy to, you
know, set the edge, set a tough edge early and then be able to
spring into an attack and a planas a pass richer?
Maybe I think that's a valid question and I think it's going

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to get answered this year, right.
But they they have that in placebecause of where the league is
going and and and and and halfway going to the four threes
will certainly help that. Clearly last year it wasn't as
like, Oh my gosh, when is the run defense like it, it was much
better. And and that wasn't even I don't
think with with necessarily the best personnel on the interior
per SE. So I do think though, when what

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how they're going to create pressure is getting into the
pressure situations, right, based on how the base personnel
is working against the run. That's that's how you know every
that's how everything is going to work.
Now they, they, they want to be in in a position Green Bay when
they can send all the exotic stuff who's coming, who's not
like, you know, is Gary going todrop?
Is Gary going to sit over the nose tackle?

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Is is Edwin Cooper going to be the A or B gap?
Right? But also having, you know,
getting into the obvious situations where Colin Oliver
can come in and and make plays as a rusher, right, bending the
edge, right. That's all set up because of how
they're structured on early downs with the, you know, bigger
edge rushers to to, you know, take it to, to get them into

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those situations. So I do think that that Cooper's
going to be heavily involved andWalker's going to be heavily
involved with, with, with a lot of the pressure stuff.
But yes, I, I, Wyatt is obviously going to be a big, big
part of that as well, of course,because when he's healthy, it
looks like he is the guy picking, picking up that fifth
year option was no accident, right?
They didn't actually click that and send that to the league

(01:42:55):
office. So they're they they see it with
Wyatt at the three tech. So again, it's just going to be
is somebody else going to step up along the the defensive line
and is Van Ness going to step up?
Because I think that that Van Ness is going to be at the very
least giving them enough on early downs to go.
Yeah, no, he's he's affecting the run.
He is doing what he he is doing what they they're asking him to

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do in early downs. And then it's like, OK,
Kingsley, Colin Oliver Sorrell, right.
I think Sorrell could be even, you know, you know, in a
position to be, you know, a, a devastating presence when they
get into some some rush looks like this where they can again,
you know, bring in the hockey line.
That's, you know, hey, this is the power play hockey line.
We're we're going to get after it with some of these cats.
So I I do think they're still going to be exotic.

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I think it's going to, you know,have the have the the idea of
confusion at the line of scrimmage because they have
really, really tremendous athletes at linebacker and, you
know, as these situational rushers.
I think it's going to come from that and it's going to come
from, you know, guys like Gary and guys like Wyatt getting
their own wins and hopefully VanNessen year three.

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I I don't think much of that is going to change now.
It it, it would certainly be nice on on every instance to get
home with four and maybe that's going to happen on some third
downs because of who you've kindof added a little bit of a, a
different flavor to the room. So, so perhaps, you know, you
have situations where it's just,yeah, no, Oliver's doing what

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you know, Green Bay was hoping he would do and Wyatt is doing
exactly what Green Bay had always hoped he would do as
well. So yeah, I I don't think it may
be a long winded answer of just kind of saying it's probably
going to be pretty similar as tohow they they do it because
again, of how the defense is setup right when you're playing
Detroit, It's not kind of like, hey, let's you know, let's get

(01:44:44):
into a 3-4 where, you know, we have these guys flying off of of
the edge in like 7 and wide 9 stuff where it's like, oh, no,
they'll just get those get nudged out of the out of the
club immediately, just way out of the way by Sewell or Decker
right now. They they need to match upfront
early against pick, pick a team,pick a team who you know is

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going to contend in the NFC likeit is, is Matt as you may think
the running back room is like Washington ran the ball pretty
well last year for his being kind of a, you know, you could
say the the Kingsburg Washington's running back room
is Matt. Yeah, I, I don't think it's like
Eckler doesn't have the gear. Robinson's fine.
But like they, they, they were able to run it well because they
had obviously they had the, you know, the human 100 yard dash

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at, at at QB, of course, But because of how they were spread
out and because of all the stuffthey ran, they were able to do
it. Philly's going to smash her face
in so is Detroit. The Rams will as well.
They're not they're not going tojust get away from it, right,
because they have Adams and Puka.
They, they understand Puka's going to be a part of the run
game. San Francisco's not getting away
from it. McCaffrey back healthy.

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They're going to run, no question.
They brought use check back after cutting him.
They, they understand as well. So think of an NFC team, you
know who he thinks going to contend like Minnesota, same
thing. They're probably going to take
as much off of McCarthy's play as they can.
Chicago, I know they didn't really get to add anybody.
Thank goodness they didn't add Trayvon Henderson to their team,

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but they did bring the non guy in and I do think that's going
to be a part of it. They're going to be under center
with Ben Johnson. So just name a team and they're
probably going to be under center.
You have to be able to defend that first and then get into
your rush bag, which I think Haffley will do at a very high
level. He was very clearly involved.
Like, hey, can you get me a Colin Oliver?
Can you give me a Sorell? Like guys who can, you know,

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change that hockey line in and and and get after the QB when
when when called upon. So can I ask you a really stupid
question? Sure.
Can I ask any question you like?What kind of realistic ability
do we have to run A34 front out there or a game or for a series?

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Like how hard is that really? Like I, I feel like the answer
is you just can't and don't. It would, it would be a lot of,
you know, assignments are different And for guys who
aren't comfortable and who haven't done any of it, like Van
Ness and Gary have done it, right.
Guys who have been there a whilehave done it.
Most of our guys has done it. Yeah, they have.

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And, and so could they do it? Sure.
How are they aligning? That's interesting.
I'm thinking about how the base would look.
I mean, Gary's been a 3-4 outside linebacker, I guess.
So you could still do it. Maybe you're having Van Nespie
A3 four and I don't know, gives the opportunity to put, you
know, an egg bar 3-4. And for Van Ness is not too far

(01:47:43):
off, though. Like you look at how he was used
in Iowa, but they they moved himall over the place.
He played a lot of snaps at defensive tackle for for the
Hawkeyes. They did.
He did do some of that especially, especially when they
just kind of like we're asking him to attack a single gap
essentially and and disrupt stuff from from the word go.

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I mean, TJ Watt lines up at at defensive tackle for the
Steelers all the time too. Yeah, when you get into those,
yeah, creative looks of like, hey, we can take advantage of a
match up here and there. But yes, I'm on base stuff when
they're, you know, it's first and 10.
We got five guys, Don Lyman, theMatt Lafleur fun conversation

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about that and all the folks whothought like 2 Don lineman last
year was very funny. Anyway, yeah, I mean, Clark
playing knows I guess Brinson's his backup probably got Brooks,
Van Ness, Wyatt all doing the 34N thing.
That's kind of hurt that that would hurt for, for me in terms

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of Devante Wyatt, that would kind of suck just in terms of
what I think he does extremely well.
Wouldn't quite suit him. But I'm, I'm sure he could, you
know, handle it with, with as good of a mover as he is.
But well, well, why, why wouldn't Wyatt have a role?
I mean #1 Georgia runs 3-4 number two.

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He was in Green Bay when he ran a 3-4.
But why couldn't he have a role in that package like that?
And again, I prefaced all this by saying it was a stupid
question, but I mean, in theory,with the group you have, you
could probably do it again. It's just, you know, this week
we're doing this. All right, guys, get get in the
room. We got to we got to chat about
all these principles and all that stuff and what Haffley

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would potentially want to see, right, like in, in terms of how
guys play as well. So it would be a lot to do in a
single week. Maybe it's a bye week thing, you
know, but I don't know, Green Bay has enough problems out of
the bye week that maybe a we're playing a different a different
scheme this week might not be the best approach, but I, I do
think they have enough personnelto probably handle it.

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I don't think again, guys will be playing, you know, pseudo
different spots. A few of them would, but you
know, they still have a decent range of body types.
Now, especially, you know, with Sorrell and and Oliver coming
into the room of like, yeah, OK,we can do a little bit of this

(01:50:15):
and that. But I I do think again, the four
three just sets up nicely because of where the rest of the
NFC and and obviously several inAFC of what are are going in
terms of how often it's going tobe structured.
It is nice to have, you know, Gary and Van Ness defending the
run on the edge on early downs. But it is it is interesting.

(01:50:38):
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All right, hit me with your interesting question.
OK, so it's a long weekend. Did you see?
It was a long weekend. Did you see Mission Impossible?

(01:52:46):
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did.
All right. Yeah, I drove.
I know it's, I drove almost 2 hours to go see it in IMAX
'cause I live out in the boonies.
I live in the Styx. We do have a theater in town.
It's just there's no IMAX. You got to drive, like I said,
almost 2 hours to get to IMAX. So we did go see it in IMAX.

(01:53:07):
I I was really excited to see the trailer for the new Naked
Gun reboot. Oh yeah, that looks super good.
That's right. Tool for this ask what did you
see? I saw.
Did you guys see Moana? Yeah.
When did they come out with the live action?
Moana keep teasing us with that.I don't know.

(01:53:28):
Yeah, I've seen Moana and Moana too, because my daughter is
obsessed with Moana. But yeah, Mission Impossible,
Final reckoning. So, Jake, I want to hear your
thoughts on it. I want to hear your, your like
star rating like give me your, you know, out of five stars.
How would you rate it? And then, and I think we need to
do a full rank of all nine movies, 98 movies, all 8 movies

(01:53:58):
Yeah, do a do a ranking of all 8movies and compare our lists.
Yeah, again, I initial thoughts because I've only seen it once
and I'd like to see it a couple times kind of let it sink in.
I will say yes, IMAX is worth it.
I remember seeing the fifth one,Rogue Nation in IMAX.

(01:54:23):
That is it's it's tough to beat that theater there.
There are a couple theater experiences that are maybe top
it just because a certain cinematic universe kind of built
the two big, big movies at the end of kind of its saga that I
would say were maybe better. But it's.
It's probably on the podium. No, I thought it was was very,

(01:54:44):
very, very powder belongs up there, too.
Brian is now blocked from the channel.
Yeah. Hold on.
I'm for good. I'm taking that comment off the
screen. We'll be looking back, moved for
good. Maybe Brian will find a channel
that loves The Last Jedi. Maybe Brian will find Jesus.

(01:55:05):
He's Jesus in your life, Brian. You guys slander Mission
Impossible like that? Yeah, no, I again, I, I think
maybe the impossible Brian, the maybe the callbacks were too
much, I guess as some people's biggest critique.
I don't know. I I liked it more than 7

(01:55:25):
personally. Really.
Maybe because seven, I don't know.
It's very interesting. The Rotten Tomatoes rankings
have 7 / 5, which I think is is absolute blasphemy.
But I thought maybe just becausemaybe just because 7 felt like a
Part 1, like a true like it was like, OK, yeah, but it didn't

(01:55:47):
one feel as well. And on a cliffhanger, though,
that's the thing. No, it was a satisfying.
It did. It just felt it.
Yeah, but it still was like, OK,well, we're going to get we're
going to get that resolution, you know, in the next one.
But like, I think again, the stunts were unbelievable.

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I mean, the spoilers, but the the subsequence did not think it
was going to be that long. Very impressed that they made it
that long. I was insane.
I was kind of like, wow, they'rethey're still going with this.
This That's that's pretty wild. Obviously the biplanes stuff was
nuts, but when you said stuns, my mind first went to the

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biplane. I didn't think that was that was
next level. I I think for the sub, it was
just kind of the length of stuff.
And when you know, just like, OK, there are some things there.
There's some things where they've kind of just like now
they got here, right. There's a certain one, like of
three, which kind of actually somehow they tied into this,
which I actually love the fact that they tied it in.

(01:56:54):
They didn't leave us hanging forall time of what the rabbit's
foot was. Heck yes.
The fact that they were able to tie that in is so good.
You didn't feel like it was retconned a little bit with the
fact that it was now very totally different.
I mean, I just to me, like, I don't think it's like
implausible of like, Oh yeah, this is a biohazard, quote UN

(01:57:17):
quote. Like wouldn't, I mean, if it was
that would I would probably label it as that too of like,
oh, it's just kind of a biohazard thing.
We have those like that type of thing.
But I mean, Benji did get to kind of, you know, re restate
what he said in that movie, which I think was, you know, a
really nice tie in. So no, I I, I liked it.

(01:57:41):
I thought it was great. I obviously the kind of revealed
that about, you know, Carrie Ellis's character, which I
thought he did a tremendous job.He didn't he wasn't given a ton
obviously in even in seven, but like really like that, As you
said, the stunts were great. The biplane stuff was insane and

(01:58:01):
just see already seeing that like no, like he's he's
obviously not to haggie by himself.
There are ropes and all that andhe's tied in to do some of that
stuff. But just seeing some of that was
beforehand is just kind of like,oh, man, they're they're going
all out for this. I the new team is sick.
I know. Evidently we're not getting
them, right. They, I mean, Tom did say it was

(01:58:23):
final for a reason, which kind of stinks.
Well, OK, but hold on a second. They, you know, spoilers, right?
Spoilers. Yeah, Yeah.
They, the, the film makers completely chickened out at the
end by not enforcing the fact that it would have to be the
last one. There's no reason at all you

(01:58:44):
couldn't make another one now. Oh, yeah.
Even though they, even though the entire time they were
leading our person like, hey, every single person in this
whole story is going to be dead by the end of this movie.
You get to the end and you're like, yeah, we were very close
on 2 accounts. We got one.
We're very close on two others. I do think I, yeah, I, I was.

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Were you expecting Ethan to not make it?
I went into the movie expecting him to not make it.
That's what I thought as well, because I think that Benji
making it didn't surprise me at the end, honestly, because he
said to him twice, this is your team.
So it felt like he was going to be fine at the end.

(01:59:33):
I think that's what kind of did it for me of like, that's where
I'm falling for this. Well, and then like in seven in
seven, they were oh, that hardcore of like, hey, Benji is
going to die. Kitchen's narration over Benji
because they kept yeah, yeah. And with the the fake bomb, that

(01:59:55):
was just the psych test. Yes, that that asked Benji.
Like, what do you what do you fear the most?
Yeah or no, what do you love themost?
That's what it is. What do you love the most?
And he said. My friends, yeah.
And so, like, obviously they were like hinting hard, like,
OK, he's going to have a choice to make and he's going to choose
his friends. Right.
Yeah. I, OK.

(02:00:17):
I didn't love, love the movie. OK.
There were. There were some things about it
that surprised me that I really liked.
All right. Angela Bassett as the president.
Yes. She was fantastic.
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
My buddy that that we saw the movie together.

(02:00:37):
He did not think that Nick Offerman was well cast as that
general. And I thought that drawn a blank
under name the the gal from Ted Lasso.
Oh, Hannah. Hannah Waddington.
Hannah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think right. So Waddington.
Yeah. Hannah Waddington I had a little

(02:00:58):
bit of a hard time taking her seriously because she's supposed
to be this American general, butshe's a British accent, you
know, like the actress does. And like her American accent was
fine. I I just had a hard time taking
her seriously because of that. But I did travel Tillman as the

(02:01:20):
sub commander. Was he the sub commander?
Oh my gosh, he feels it so good.Best line in the entire movie.
Yes, he was so good. Oh, he was so good.
And I like, I think too, like everybody on the sub thought
they were all really good. Yes.
Yeah, I think, I think some areas where it fell flat for me
a little bit. So Gabriel was really easy to

(02:01:43):
hate and seven and then at 8, hejust to me never seemed menacing
at all. And I, so this movie, in
contrast with some other MissionImpossible movies, never managed
to get me like, on the edge of my seat, like scared of what was
going to happen to anybody. So I was surprised about that, I

(02:02:04):
guess. Yeah, it is.
I, I don't know if that's just like, well, we've been around
this merry go round like 19 times.
And like, we know, I think it was the pacing and the editing
maybe. Like it just seemed like just
the fact that none of the characters that you really loved
about seemed like they were feeling any fear outside of

(02:02:26):
outside of what's Hayley Atwell's character's name,
Grace. Yeah.
Yeah. Like she got scared at times,
but her fear seemed like it was coming from a place of, like,
inexperience in this world that they for sure the other
characters all live in. Yeah.
But like, Ethan was never scared.
No. And he's been scared of Angela

(02:02:49):
Bassett. Angela Bassett's range of
emotion, Yeah. From the fear included was very,
very well done. Like, that was.
Yeah. She was one of the best actors
in. Yeah, for sure.
For sure. So are you prepared to do a a
ranking and rating of all maybe,but again, but maybe again, I I

(02:03:11):
would like to see it at another time to kind of cement it, but I
do feel like I can make one yes.OK, do you need me give you a
minute This. No, no, I just this is this is I
think the big thing. If Tom isn't going to do
anymore, can they still do it? I would say yeah, but they have

(02:03:35):
to nail the casting and like so the rights of they already tried
with Jeremy Renner and Jeremy Renner, the attempts would have
been traffic. Jeremy Renner to me kind of
shakes some of my faith in theirability to I mean, to find the

(02:03:55):
next guy like it's it's a tough they have to James Bond is what
they have to do. And I also think that you can't
have another Ethan Hunt. It's got to be somebody else.
But but the point being like they're really there has never
been a bad actor for James Bond.Only, you know, there's some

(02:04:16):
people who don't like George Lasenby, whatever.
There's a few people who don't like Danielle Craig just because
he's new, you know, But like, the point is, they've never not
killed with the casting. Other than lazy.
Yeah, it's more of a story. And some people, including
myself, do enjoy lazy people. Yeah, it's more of a story, plot
direction. I feel like that falls flat

(02:04:39):
rather than yeah, no, I, I, I agree with that for sure.
All right. Just a question of who's going
to take over? Like if somebody's going to take
up that, like who's going to do it?
Like who's who's going to be like, yeah, no, I'm, I'm all in
on the stunt thing. Like I, I will do everything
like this. It's a tough sell.
It is period, right. We're doing, we're doing Halo

(02:05:00):
jumps, you know, we're, we're, we're learning to fly a
helicopter so we can fly the helicopter, right?
Like we're, you know, I mean, they're we're taking a we're
taking a bike off of a we're taking a bike off of a giant
mountain slash fjord type of thing.
Like we're we're going to do that.
Like he did it what, 5-6 times? I don't know, man, I don't know

(02:05:22):
who's doing that like hanging off of a plane in but this one
and five, like who's who's doingit?
Who's climbing the Burge? I would never you could have
paid me to climb the Burge like that.
And Tom does it because he wantsto.
That's the thing. Gosh, I mean, yeah, 100%.
And he there's a picture of him sitting at the top, top from

(02:05:44):
from from back then filming it like Yep, Yep.
Like you have to be like, you have fun.
Everything all, all, all in. That's like, do I think like, oh
gosh, what's his name who plays Degas?
Oh my gosh, I'm losing it. They call him, they call him
Tarzan. I know they call him that.

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But like him, Pom Komatieff is awesome.
She could stick around. But like, yeah, I don't know
who's like taking, taking in thethe mantle.
That's that's really the question.
I mean, if Tom wants to go again.
I do think though, like I, I know you're saying Gabriel was
like kind of not as menacing. I don't know if like Gabriel was

(02:06:29):
supposed to seem more menacing at the beginning and let the
entity take over as kind of the menacing, like trying to balance
that as the true like menacing thing.
I feel like maybe this is part of where it fell flat for me
too. Is that in the in seven, the
entity was not only menacing, itwas terrifying because you can

(02:06:50):
see the full brunt of its power all the time.
And in eight, that power was only just implied.
Like you heard like, oh, it's taking over this country.
Oh, it's taking over these nuclear silos, whatever.
And you're just, you're watchingit.
You're like, OK, first of all, why is it taking so long?
Because you already cracked, youknow, 3/4 of them.
Why is it taking you so long to get these last three?

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Because aren't you this all powerful computer that has
already taken over the whole rest of the world?
Why is this the last thing that you can't possibly crack?
And meanwhile, you're so busy doing that that you also can't
be bothered to go mess things upfor them in any other part of of
their mission. Like you're not causing problems

(02:07:32):
for them with traffic cameras. And you know, like, I get that
they're trying to go analog as much as possible, but they were
not analog the entire movie. They were relying on electronics
a lot of the movie. And the entity was not trying to
mess with them in the way that it was in Seven, like when it
was spoofing Benji in Seven. That was terrifying.

(02:07:53):
It was, yes. And that was the first and last
time we ever saw that. Yeah, I yeah, I don't Yeah, I
think that's fair. I think like nuclear reset was
kind of like the next step up. But yeah, I get that where it
baby falls flat because it's notdoing the little things that you

(02:08:13):
really liked that it was doing from 7 IA 100%.
Do I think that the nuclear codes and the governmental
firewalls and all the everythingthat the cybersecurity team and,
and, and, you know, the government would have in place
would kind of be the final step?Like, yeah, I I can get that.
Would have been nice to maybe have more country PO VS of the

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fear and terror of all that perhaps.
Yeah, I think you could have. That would have been so fun.
Like like, let's let's go insideTel Aviv.
Let's go inside Moscow. No, that would be so much fun.
Yeah, for sure. No, I, I, I and it would have
afforded you the opportunity to cast some more really
interesting actors in those roles too.
I would have loved to see who, who would they have cast as you

(02:08:58):
know, Israel's prime Prime Minister for this week.
That would have been so much funto see.
What do they do with that? Like, honestly, even the yalk it
out would be super fun. Yalk it out would be super fun
in that world. Yeah.
It, it, it would, it would, yeah.
Build a little more tension thatway.
I get at the, I mean, it was a lot they were doing.
The submarine sequence takes up a lot of the, you know, the time

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would I've been OK if it was, you know, over 3 hours, 3 hours,
10 minutes because you want to show all the country Povs.
Yeah, I'm, I'm totally there. I'm not going to hear me
complaining if it's longer to show that.
So yeah, I, I know there's always like a, a difficult, you
know, difficulty in being like, OK, how much do we really want,

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if we're fast-paced enough, but like, do we really want to make
it super long? Like how, what's the line of
like this is long enough versus not?
I understand that a bit. But yes, I do think it could
have had some of that for sure. But we also thought there was a
little bit of a missed opportunity to not do sharks or
something when he was swimming down toward the submarine.

(02:10:01):
Yeah. Not that they even needed to
attack him, but just to up the creepy factor a little bit, you
know, you get some of those Arctic sharks.
That would have been. Yeah, that's true.
That just would have been, I think it, I think you could have
gone that route and then not always had the like, oh, well,
the submarine's going to roll off the Cliff.
Yeah, a little bit of balancing that could have been

(02:10:23):
interesting. But once, once, yeah, the
pressure and I'm like, oh, shoot, like this is this thing's
going over. We are in dire straits.
I was also a little bit disappointed that he didn't
suffer any lasting effect from all the decompression and

(02:10:44):
everything the way that he did in Rogue Nation when he dies
underwater. And then like, it's massively
affecting him for the next, you know, 15 minutes.
That was hysterical. It was a good time.
Oh, it was so funny. And and Benji's like, yeah.
I mean, is your OK to drive? A minute ago you were dead.

(02:11:05):
This is not going dead. Well, yeah.
Super. I was like, what are you talking
about? Sequence.
Yeah. As though Benji's the crazy one
and. And maybe that's.
Yeah. Again, another pacing thing of
like, we want to build like the set pieces around, you know, the
bigger stuff. And like, we didn't get to see a
lot of him. We did see a little bit in the
compression chamber, right, but not a lot and like not a lot

(02:11:26):
after that either, even in the plane as they were going.
So like, yeah, it's tough when you're like in the Arctic and
there's not really anybody chasing you and, and to kind of
build that. So that it, it was definitely
tougher in that regard. But they, I, I think maybe just
because again, I think 5 is for me the best of like being able
to build all that sequence together.

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But yeah, I, it's tough because you knew, I mean, South Africa
had already come up early and you were like, well, you got to
go there next. That's going to be next, like,
right. Like South the South of Africa,
Sorry, not, not South Africa specifically, but like you kind
of knew where the big spots weregoing to be.
And it wasn't, you know, well, we're not going to get the, the,

(02:12:08):
the Super chases necessarily. It's going to be, you know, more
tense military stuff and, and all that.
So I, I did like the, it was kind of like I, I, I guess
that's maybe my own, my own not seeing it coming or of like, oh,
yeah, no, the US government getshere in The Cave just as we

(02:12:30):
were, should have seen it comingof like, well, it's not going to
be that simple, right Type of thing.
So that was, it felt too easy, right?
Yeah. It was like, oh, they're just,
oh, they're just going to hand it to him.
And then you go back and you go,oh, wait, no.
Kittridge asked, but Kittridge mentioned to him of like, no,
we're going to go do this. It was like, Oh yeah, of course,

(02:12:52):
but I, I didn't do it. Yeah, let's do it.
I think what we need to do, we start with your last place
ranking and then we do up through 3rd place and and then
we skip to 1st place and then reveal the runner up.
OK, perfect. I know one of the award shows or

(02:13:14):
all the award shows something they do it like that this we're
doing this like the College Football Playoff a little.
Yeah. There we go.
There we go. OK, so if you if you get this
first one wrong, then you get demoted from Co host to to Brian
Maffey. OK, OK.

(02:13:35):
Last place. Yeah, you, you got it.
For each of these, you got to say which movie and you have to
give your star rating out of five.
Oh, man. Out of five.
OK. Yeah, I need to you want to do
out of 10, you can do out of 10.And I'll just double mine.
OK. Yeah, I have thoughts out of 10,

(02:13:56):
I think. Let me, let me quickly.
That's fine. You do out of 10.
I'm going to I'm going to doubleall mine.
OK. This will be, this is real
entertaining, entertaining part of the pop where everybody's
building their rankings. I'm just going to talk.
So we have a little something. I have my rankings.

(02:14:20):
I just, I'm just, yeah, I'm justwaiting for you.
I'm tweaking the I'm tweaking the star.
Yeah, OK. I mean, I can start at the
bottom, like I know. Yeah, start at the bottom.
OK. I mean, for me, Ghost Protocol

(02:14:42):
is last. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
Oh, man, I'm just kidding. Once you said that you needed to
be. You needed to be this or I'm
devoting. I'm like, I have to play this
joke. No, that was.
It's just cool. It's a second one for me.
It's it's the one that almost killed the franchise.
Yeah. John Woo coming in and kind of
like, all right, we need this Birds part at the end.

(02:15:04):
This was. This is a tough one to go back
and see. Like I I do like that eight kind
of seven and eight made the callback to Naya with like the grace
as the kind of the thief elementof the team.
But this was yeah, I mean, again, the villain, the villain
maybe is more of maybe what you'd expect more in the Bond
stuff of like it's not as not ascalculating, still calculating,

(02:15:25):
but more of like a a brute forcetype of, of individual on top of
it. I didn't I didn't mind some of
the like the the scene to go get, you know, the the chimera
that was in that the building. I like the stunts with all that.
That was good. But yeah, it it's definitely the

(02:15:47):
flattest 1 for sure. Motorcycle chase.
Nice. We like that one.
But yeah, it's until the end, the end of the motorcycle chase
when they both jump off the bikeand smack into each other in mid
air and they have a fist fight fight almost neutered.
The that was motorcycle chase that it just happened.
Yeah. Yeah.

(02:16:07):
That was kind of meh, but it waskind of like, OK, well, he's not
the calculating type. So it's kind of like you kind of
have to have this showdown with him.
So, yeah, villain, all that stuff I gave it.
Anthony Hopkins as the director of IMF was maybe the 1 lone
Bright star in the whole movie. And then actually, out of all

(02:16:31):
the things that ever happened inthe movie, the double mask
reveal at the end, I don't hate as much, I don't hate it as much
as I think a lot of people do 'cause it was at the very least
interesting. And I don't think that the rest
of the movie had that going for it of it being interesting.
The, you know, you, you mentioned breaking in to steal

(02:16:53):
the Chimera, the vents scene with the cables.
That was interesting at least. Yes, I enjoyed that.
I do completely non menacing villain is the biggest problem
it has going for you. Yes, very nice tense silence in
that in that sequence as well. That was that worked well.
But yeah, it was it was kind of yeah, it was kind of back.

(02:17:16):
So my my star rating has like 10serious tears here, by the way,
I think there's some serious tears going on for me at least.
But what you got, I have I I guess I would say I really have
4 tiers. Really, really just three tiers.
So my star rating out of 10 for MI 2 is 2 is 2 stars out of 10.

(02:17:40):
OK, so a little. And that's not that's not even
grading on a Mission Impossible curve.
That is grading on just a, you know, against all movies.
This is a truly terrible movie with no redeeming value
whatsoever. Yeah, I mean, for all of the
like things that are like the some of the sequences that are
built in it again, my my skill might look a little different

(02:18:03):
just cause based on where where the top end is.
I, I went five. I think it's very clearly
several steps below everything else.
Like it is just kind of something where you could if if
you're doing a rewatch, if you're going through these to
set yourself up for this 8th 1 like you, you don't have to do
this. Like we could kind of we could,

(02:18:23):
we could we could tell you the tie in of like the thief, like
very easily of like that. This is a throwback to that kind
of set up. Like this is kind of that that
person that we have in this movie that's way, way amped up
way better. Again, nothing against Sandy
Newton or or anything. I I just think it was kind of
like a direction production, just kind of like not maybe,

(02:18:45):
maybe not the direction Thomas Cecilia wanted to go.
And that's probably why he took kind of like sort of a Co lead
down the stretch of these things.
But yeah, well, there was six years gap between 2:00 and 3:00.
Like this is the movie that justabout killed the series.
Was it 5 years between 3:00 and 4:00?
I think it was 5 or 6 something like that too.

(02:19:08):
I think. I think it was.
I think I think it was four or five years.
I remember I think it was in between 5:00 and 6:00 was the
shortest gap. It was a a three-year gap was
the shortest gap of any prior toPart 1 and Part 2 of Dead
Reckoning. Yeah.

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So my my next entry is Fallout. Wow.
I give Fallout a 7.8 out of 10. There's a big jump from 2 to
7.8. This is not a bad movie, but
compared to the other Mission Impossible entries, I feel like

(02:19:54):
the only thing that Fallout has going for it is the stunts.
I don't particularly enjoy the plot, Henry Cavill does not
bring a lot to the movie in my opinion, but the stunts and and
in particular the the chase scene.
So you get very, very, very longmotorcycle and car chases that

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are just excellent from beginning to end.
It's like the best parts of the chase scenes from the Bourne
movies without the shaky Cam that annoyed so many people,
without all the hard jump cuts. You know, you get all the raw,
you know, real driving and stunts that Tom Cruise was doing
that that it's just so much freaking fun to watch.

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And you do have some good fights.
You know, the, the bathroom fight scene with the, you know,
guy who's supposedly John Lark is really, really good.
It's fun seeing both Henry Cavill and Tom Cruise get their
butts kicked by this Asian guy. It's super, super fun.
But as far as the plot goes, like this to me easily has the

(02:20:59):
weakest plot out of any of the Mission Impossible movies, maybe
even including MI 2. Just the the motivation of the
bad guy. Like, oh, I want nuclear war.
You know, I want to, I want to wipe out the world.
Why I just do like I don't really have a reason.
I just I'm just a bad guy and soI want it just super weak to me

(02:21:23):
and like the only thing that carries the movie is just the
interactions between the characters.
You know, Rebecca Ferguson again, it's just a maze balls
and these chase scenes and stunts are top notch, but I
can't dive any deeper than just the character interactions, the
set pieces and the stunts because the the plot and even a

(02:21:46):
lot of the dialogue just like falls really flat.
You know, I, I every time when Ethan is playing the role of
John Mark to the white widow, I get bored in that part of the
movie. Every single time.
It's just the movie slows down so much that if I'm trying to
watch this late at night, I I struggle at that point the movie

(02:22:08):
to stay engaged. All right, I have the first one
next on mine 7.9. I think it's I think it's again,
if it I think it will and we'll get to my next one.
But if it weren't for Philip Seymour Hoffman and three, I
think this would be ahead of it.I, I just think the, the amount

(02:22:31):
that he brings, not that Jon Voight's character was, you
know, I, I don't mind the mole inside the the MI thing.
And again, 79 that's I, I would say, you know, that's again well
above, above 2. Yeah.
You guys, you guys, we both havea big jump from our last place,
'cause I think second to last, 'cause I think like it.

(02:22:53):
Yeah, you said it. I mean, that was the film that
almost kind of just sent it packing.
But yeah, obviously the wire scene and and Oh yeah, the the
fact that this this wire scene and the actor in the wire scene
ties into 8 Love that, by the way, but I love the wire scene.
You, you I think it did a nice job of like, yes, there there is

(02:23:16):
a a stunt or a portion of a saidstunt sequence that obviously is
you can tell how it looks of like don't really don't really
buy. But the the train, the high
speed vehicle stuff of like hanging on that and and putting
that in the final sequence was very good.
It felt it felt a little more detective Y, right.

(02:23:37):
It was a little more detective Yrather than like a oh, this is,
you know, Spytech, all this stuff which I think works for
back then easily. Like it's nothing like oh, it
doesn't like detract or anythingof like, Oh yeah, no, this is
how the first one starts. It's very detective Y.
It's not as yeah, high tech, butI think it works really nicely.
And again, I think you you see Tom bringing the bravado and the

(02:24:01):
confidence early on in the movie.
And and yes, leaning into finding the mythos a little bit
in that one of like you can see him kind of finding himself a
little bit more in that, like from all the kind of emotional
switches you see from him, whichI think he does a great job of.
Is the team as memorable as other ones?

(02:24:21):
No, I I don't think really as much.
I I think that was maybe again, just kind of the struggle of
getting this going of like who'sgoing to be able to play off of
in the future type of thing. And I think, you know, there was
a little bit of that in two as well with kind of other than
Luther, right? Like it was it was pretty rough
as a full thing, but I do I do really like going back and be

(02:24:44):
like, Oh yeah, this is this is exactly what you know, the the
start of it should look like. I I I I do enjoy it.
I I is it my is it my if I'm going to go watch one, is it my
go to? No, but it it's one that you
can't miss, in my opinion. I was really wondering where you
and I were going to end up with on on MI one, because that's

(02:25:06):
always been one of my least favorite in the whole franchise.
And I kind of for the most part,only give it the respect that I
do because it's the first, because it it, you know, brings
us this whole series and becauseit does a really good job of
threading the differences between the 60s TV show and

(02:25:31):
marrying it with a modern cinema.
And, you know, to your point, itfeels like a spy flick.
OK, well, this is the old TV show and and I I think it does a
good job of like creating the universe that Mission Impossible
then ends up occupying. And to your point about the crew

(02:25:56):
around him, like that's always been one of my least favorite
parts of the movie. And honestly, like I didn't like
Ving Rhames in MI one it honestly it took me quite a few
years to start liking Ving Rhames.
I enjoyed him more in Mission Impossible 2 than I did in one
or three. But the the thing the thing that
I've never liked about those early Ving Rhames appearances in

(02:26:19):
this series is that like, he's fine when he is just hanging
back, being the hacker, but sometimes he tries to go hard
and I don't I don't find it convincing at all.
You know, I think he's cool whenhe just hangs back and plays it
chill. But then when he tries to go
hard, I'm like, no, you're like trying to be Mr. T and you're

(02:26:41):
not, you're not Mr. T at all. Like you need to lean into who
you actually are, what makes youcool.
And this is not it, you know? And like, even at the end of MI
2, you know, there's a scene where he gets, you know, mad.
And I think he like, launches a rocket launcher or something.
I can't remember. He's it's when he's in the
helicopter. I do.
I do. Yes, I do recall this.

(02:27:01):
And again, it's like, you know, it's just not convincing when he
tries to go hard early on in thefranchise and the later entries,
I'm thinking like, in particularFallout, he doesn't do that.
Rogue nation. Rogue nation.
He does that a lot. Yeah, 5 is kind of like the no,
he's hacking the Russian satellite at the beginning.
Like that's Yeah, he's on assignment doing that for them.

(02:27:23):
Like, perfect. This is it.
This is like, exactly. And he's just keeping cool.
He's the unflappable, you know, and that's when it's really fun
is when he's unflappable and confident and like that's when
the cool oozes from Ving Rhames 'cause he can do that.
I forgot also to mention when wewere talking about Mission
Impossible 2, Billy Baird, you know, super weak character Billy

(02:27:45):
Baird, but like very clearly thearchetype of what Simon Pegg's
Benji became. Like it's, it's so obvious that
they basically they they liked the idea of what Billy Baird
could be as a character in this universe.
And they just realized that theythey missed on the casting with

(02:28:08):
the Scottish guy and that putting Simon Pegg in that role,
who's a, you know, supremely talented actor and director.
And he nailed it from minute onethat he was on screen.
Yes, all right, so I had I had 6as as my second least favorite,

(02:28:31):
I guess, but I gave it a 7.8. You went a 7.9 for MI one.
Let's see how close we are on three and I think we're not
going to be very close. So you went first with the first
one, then I went first and I wasyour check for first again.
Yeah, So I have MI 3 here in my in my sixth slot again.
All right team not the best Simon Pegg introduction good now

(02:28:57):
a retcon that pays off later that you didn't have in here of
like this is a rabbit's foot. What is it was it Ethan's best
film other than maybe the first and last kind of sequences in
terms of the emotional builds? No, maybe not.

(02:29:18):
But I I did like the escape headquarters scene.
Obviously the bridge stuff is great.
But again Philip Seymour Hoffmancarries this movie really really
like that. But yeah, I I don't know I not
showing the acquisition of the rabbit's foot after the pendulum
swing. Don't love that.

(02:29:40):
And again, I think that's what makes, you know, 8 so good in my
opinion of like, no, we're showing this full sub scene.
We're not like, hey, I got this thing by the way.
So there was a little bit with that.
But yeah, I it it was it it's it's still very good.
I have it at like 8 two. I think it's enough better than

(02:30:02):
than the first. But again, I do think it was
still kind of an area where fullteam you still get Luther in
this one kind of at his best. I I the warehouse scene is good.
But yeah, Phyllis Schumerhoffen to me carries this pretty
heavily. So my my entry in this slot is

(02:30:24):
actually going to be 8 final reckoning and I gave it an 8 out
of 10. Still really, really quality
movie. I just think there were enough
things about it that were unsatisfying to me.
I didn't. I didn't find Gabriel
compelling. I didn't find the entity
menacing or terrifying the way Idid in the previous one.

(02:30:50):
You know, taking taking so long to get a resolution to the
biplane scene to me, like it dragged down just long enough.
I finally started to get a little bit bored with the
biplane stuff that like maybe just maybe just cut out like one

(02:31:12):
or two times of him falling backout of the plane again.
And then like when when Gabriel,you know, clocks it on the tail
at the end, it was a little cartoonish.
It didn't like it wasn't. And like this, you know, this
franchise doesn't really get gory, but like, OK, if you're
going to show a little bit of gore at this point, then like,

(02:31:36):
at least make it feel impactful that like, like, you almost need
like a scooby-doo sound effect. I thought Drew says good movie,
but yeah, kind of like 30 minutes of the movie, you know,
and and I kind of feel like maybe like the total runtime
wasn't the problem, but maybe just not enough things happened
over the course of this movie that it kind of suffered a

(02:31:57):
little bit from part twoism of like, you know, we've seen this
in several other, you know, Part1, Part 2 where the the Part 1,
they cram so much in and you're sitting there in the theater and
you're like, when is this going to end?
Like I really thought, you know,like an act or two acts ago, we
were at the end of the movie andthey didn't really save quite
enough content for Part 2. And I kind of felt like that was

(02:32:19):
happening here a little bit like, hey, the whole sub scene,
like the payoff was fantastic. The, the Arctic stuff that was
going on with the cabin was, youknow, a little bit slow and then
we just spend so much time in South Africa, especially with
the biplanes. It was very reminiscent to me of
what we had just seen in falloutwith the helicopter seeing

(02:32:41):
Dragon for, you know, 1000 years.
So so I I just I just overall 8 just felt slow enough for me
that it didn't hold my attentionand and just didn't get my heart
rate up and and get me on the edge of my seat the way that
several other entries into this into this series have.

(02:33:03):
So that's why I have it as an 8 out of 10.
Still a quality movie when I'm going to go back and watch
numerous more times. You know, the honestly, the only
one out of here that I don't watch all the time is MI two.
Yeah, 100% a. 100%. So I'll go first to this next
round. And I there's not a lot to say
here because you already hit on it.

(02:33:24):
This is MI 1. I did give it a 9.2.
But a lot of that is just like agratitude toward that movie for
establishing this series. And basically all the rest of
the credit goes to Jon Voight and Tom Cruise for stellar
acting the whole way through. You know, Jon Voight, you know,

(02:33:47):
like the the betrayal, his acting, you know, and like this
is the first time that we've, you know, seen any of the mask
stuff happening. It's all fresh, It's all fun.
And just to to knock it out of the park the way they did with
their first entry into the series, I think gave it the
cachet that it needed to weatheram I too and how horrible that

(02:34:09):
was, you know, but let the the excitement level just isn't
there. The rest of the supporting cast
just isn't there. I find the whole storyline with
Jon Voight's wife's not be terribly compelling because you
because you're you're more conflicted about Ethan than you

(02:34:29):
ever are in the rest of the franchise.
The entire rest of the franchise, you are 100% behind
Ethan the entire way through. And in MI one with Jon Voight's
wife, you're just like, I'm not with you as much as I then am
the rest of the series. So that took it a little bit out
of me for for as well. Yeah.

(02:34:51):
What's your #4? My number.
My number 5, Right. Is that where you're at?
Right. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a fifth from the top.
Fourth. Yeah.
Yeah. OK.
I have Ghost protocol here at 5.It's a nine out of 10.
I think the only thing it suffers from, the only thing is
maybe the villain isn't as compelling.

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It's it's a very blank, slady kind of villain, right?
Very, very determined, right? Very committed, but maybe just
not the compelling villain that we get even from Voigt, even
especially from Hoffman, especially, oh gosh, what's the

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actor's name? Who plays, who plays the villain
in five and six? So I can't think of his name
now. Oh, that's oh, shoot.
I was just reading his Wikipediajust two days ago.
Gosh, Shakes. I should know because Solomon
Lane is the character. Yeah.
Sean Harris. Sean is like, it's not as Sean

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Harris, you know, level villain.It's not as bad as Ambrose, but
it's it's it's not up there. Like Ambrose is clearly the
weakest villain in the whole series.
It's not close. Yeah.
And so Hendrix to me is, is fine.
But obviously this one, I think is Simon getting more they they
gave him a lot more and and he delivers on it.

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The nervousness of the first, you know, type of mission.
The I thought you said the Kremlin joke is something I I
definitely chuckle at every timeyou talking about when they when
he stands up in front of the camera that that is, is very
good. The nervousness to kind of throw
that droplet thing. But also when Ethan gets that

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exposition dump at the at the pay phone where Simon where he
says where Ethan tells them we're we're going to the Kremlin
and and Cyblin's and Benji goes.I thought you said the Kremlin.
I love that little. Yeah, that's I really like that.
So I I really do like that. And obviously renter's edition
is excellent, right? And I think that that is to me

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again, this these all of the, it's the only movie where he's a
good addition. Yeah.
It's like to me, like the top, the top five again are all nine
and above for me, 'cause I just I this, this franchise is 6.
So this is not any. I also get subjects subject
subject to change because maybe 8 won't be as as high for me
after a couple re watches and, and maybe 4 will come back up a

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little higher. They're all right there in that
same little mini tier for me, but like obviously the Burge,
right, the Kremlin stuff was good, like high level security
place to infiltrate into was Mumbai.
Maybe not the best set up at theend, perhaps, but they got Paula
Patton's character much more involved in that scenario, which
I liked. But I that was where she really

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shown yes, yes, Jeremy Renner saying next time I get to seduce
the rich guy was it was excellent, excellent 1 the best
team in the whole series Jump and I'll catch you that those
some of the so that sequence does have its moments for sure.
The the Burge obviously buildingthat out and the tension of the

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best stunt in the entire series.Do you disagree?
The tension of the meetings, too, on both floors that they
build with that, with the camerathat gets to go, you know, to go
to both floors is so good. Yes.
Also all the malfunctions reallygood.
Really like that as well. The mask of gloves, the
malfunctioning glove is the funniest gloves ever.
So good. The entire the only the only

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joke that comes close to the malfunctioning glove is Benji
standing up in front of the camera in the Kremlin.
Yes, yeah, the the Jimmy Rennard2020 minutes, a door knock, the
countdown's not helping really great.
Like the the burs scene is and sequences the numbers being
wrong from the door numbers. Yeah, yes.

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And like that to be like sequence wise.
Yeah I mean it's it's dwarfed maybe by 1 by 1 sequence which
I'll get to but like yeah I meanagain other than the villain I
think it does a really good lovethat they make the the as well
and this is again as I'm going through this baby ghost protocol

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should be higher. Lovely that the launch happens
we're not we're not like we're not preventing the launch we
have to prevent the destruction now portion of this the missiles
in the air type definitely up inthe ante which is great This is
the moment that I think of so atthe end of Fallout when who is I
think Benji is the person who asks Ethan like how close were

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we and he's like the usual like yeah the the missile launch in
ghost protocol is the moment that I immediately thought of
when Ethan said that for sure yeah no question yes that's 100%
where you go back to yeah the usual yeah I I Ethan actually

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the actually I think Brad Bird being in it kind of lent to some
of the corny stuff which I thinkfit in pretty nicely of like
mission accomplished No it's because I smashed the button
even harder that like 11th time or whatever it was that maybe
just your willpower rather than anything else makes it stop but
yeah I I. Oh, and then the light the fuse

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at the beginning, right to startthe whole like title card
sequence and all that. Very Brad Bird, very like, Oh,
wow, no, like this is the director who made the
Incredibles. Like that's not shocking at all.
But I really like oh, direct in three.
Wasn't that Brad Bird as well? I thought it was, I thought Jay,
it was it JJ Abrams on three. Oh, it was, it was definitely JJ

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Abrams. OK, yeah, that's, I was like, he
wasn't 1. So yeah, it is.
It's Googled. Yeah, it's definitely JJ Abrams.
Yeah, 'cause I remember until Macquarie, it was like they they
only they had different guys allthe way through.
But yeah, JJ Abrams resurrectingMission Impossible was like why
he started getting brought in toresurrect other franchises like

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Star Trek and Star Wars. Probably, yeah, probably why I
got to. He's like, OK, you it was, it
was kind of like he, he got a bit of a, he got a bit of a
layup opportunity of like, hey, don't be as bad as two.
And he's kind of like, OK, well,we could do that.
Give Philip Seymour Hoffman to here.
We're already, we're already good.
Like we don't have to worry typeof thing.

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But yeah, ghost protocol, man. It could be, it could, it could
be higher. It really could really.
It is higher for me. Yeah.
So, so I, I went first on this tier.
So I said one, you said four. Well, 4 is my next one.
It's the the it's my fourth fromthe top, fifth from the bottom.

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So I'd give it a 9.8 out of 10. I really love Ghost Protocol
where it does fall flat a bit isyou nail it.
It's the villain and you singledout like his lack of being
compelling as a villain. I didn't buy into his

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motivation, right. Like he he was very he was very
Bond villain as as far as like an evil for the sake of being
evil. He had other villains in the
franchise who were more menacingand had more realistic,
understandable goals. And so like the overall plot of

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the movie, you know, it obviously set the trend then of
the the next three movies were all Hunt getting disavowed.
And so the you know, this is thefirst time that happened and it
was interesting. Does he technically in one?
I don't remember. Now in one, does he technically

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get, I mean, not, not is it moreimplied?
I guess I think it's more implied, but like, yeah, 4.
I don't. Five and six, he gets disavowed
in all of them. Yes.
And then he gets disavowed againessentially at 8 as well.
Well, in seven, even 7, you know, but 7 is more so because,
like the IMF just like no longerexists.

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Like we're just it's all everybody for themselves.
Yeah, yeah. But for me, that so like the
Burg is the greatest stunt in the entire franchise is easily
the stunt that has me on the edge of my seat.
Like I can't watch the the sequence without my heart rate

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spiking. And you know, unless you're
watching it on like a tiny little phone screen or
something, if you're watching onany kind of a decent sized TV at
all, you just get sucked into like this is a terrifying stunt
when he jumps and smacks his head and then it gets caught by
the ankle. Like I come out of my chair a
little bit every single time. It's terrifying.

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It is. And the laser cutter chase and
the laser cutter goodness, he's swinging.
He's swinging. Yeah, the the sandstorm chase
where he's got the GPS and he's got the scarf really good.
The classic, the classic line ofthat's too far off.
Don't worry about that. And it's like, OK, perfect,

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cool, nice. We're getting a sandstorm chase
for sure. I liked Paula Patton a ton.
I was really disappointed that we didn't get her back in Rogue
Nation. I thought that she was a strong
entry to the series. Simon Pegg was great.
You know, we never saw Jeremy Renner play that big of a role
ever again. And that was that was

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disappointing because although Idon't think that he had the
cachet to carry the franchise inTom's stead, he was a very
compelling second man. You know, the number 2.
So I was disappointed that he never, you know, like, OK, in in

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in Rogue Nation, super funny scenes, super funny scenes with
him in the in the in the briefing room saying he's
getting questioned, super funny.But like he kind of just got
relegated to like desk jockey, which essentially for I think

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was unfortunately because of allof the Marvel commitments, which
is tough because that I mean, we're in like for not even being
a big role in Marvel too. That's that's he just all of the
like Age of Ultron to Civil war.We got to move quickly.
We got to all do all this end game and Infinity war prep,
which totally understandable, right?
They're building towards all that.

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It did stink that he that he wasrelegated there, but they found
a way, I think to at least get amore involved.
But we'll, we'll, I think we'll get there too for sure.
So so what's your form? I went back and forth on this
because I think 7 and 8 are right there to me, they're
almost equal. And I, I, I, I only thought of

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this just now, but this actuallyto me mirrors Infinity War and
end game a little bit. And, and here's where I'll go
with this. Dead reckoning, like Infinity
War feels like the villains movie.
Dead reckoning is the entities movie.
Infinity War is Thanos movie that it didn't dawn on me until

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we started doing this so I thinkthey're kind of equal in that
regard. I'm going to leave them at
that's true with Harry Potter aswell.
Yes, yes, 100% why they split itup into two parts of like no,
this is like you get the Baltimore movie and then you get
the Harry yes yeah, so I so yeah, I get why the entity
doesn't pack the punch in eight versus 7 because 7 is the

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entities movie and eight is kindof like again, like in in end
game is The Avengers movie. It's Ethan's it's Ethan and
company's movie more than the entities in the second part,
which I have no problem with that.
Now thinking about it, as I said, they're both 9 threes for
me. I could go either way just

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because I I don't want to definitively say I I know I said
it already, but like final reckoning, I don't want to put
in my top three definitively until I see it a second time.
Again, all three of these with Ghost protocol and both
reckonings are very, very close.I'll just say because I've seen
it less, I'll put final reckoning at 4:00 just because
I, I do think, like, I think youhave convinced me a little bit

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more on, on dead Reckoning and how it's set up.
But I do just, again, it's tough.
I know if you're, if you're, if this is the first one you're
seeing and you're seeing all these throwbacks and stuff,
you're like, I hate this. What's going on?
Why do I need to see throwbacks?And it's kind of like for us,
for those of us who have built this up and like have watched
all this leading to this. I liked it, as you said, Angela
Bassett's phenomenal, Nick Offerman's character.

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You know, I, I I get I didn't hate him, but I know there were
people who maybe didn't feel he was broadcast for that role,
maybe just because they were hoping he'd probably pack more
of a punch, I think because he was the one getting cast for a
role like that. So I I understand that a little
bit, but I just love the moment.Had a mustache.

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Yeah. Well, there you go.
It would have been nice to have Carrie Elvis's character in this
one as well. I know he kind of that was a
huge disappointment for me. But obviously basically in
seven, he basically only just ever got a tease of him.
They, I mean, they did, they didoff him in seven, which is a
tough one, but I just, I like see, like now we're, we're going

(02:48:34):
to fully lean into the mythos for one of like, we'll figure it
out and like, you know, doing it, you know, Ethan's way.
And I, I'd loved, I'd loved Degas and, and Paris joining the
team. I was, I was really excited that
that fleshed out and happened. It sucks not having Rebecca

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Ferguson in this it, it really does.
But I know like 3 films is a lotunless you're Simon Pegg, I
guess, you know, but it was niceseeing Pom Clementiev get more
more time in there. I'd love the love the back and
forth with her and Benji. That was really good.
And again, just the the stunts, the submarine was just

(02:49:17):
unbelievable. Really enjoyed that.
Really enjoyed again, bringing in more callbacks callback to 1
for this guy of like. Also how everything Ethan kind
of kind of reeling with the ideaof everything he did led to, you
know, kind of where they were at, but also everything he did

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LED them to where they were at to combat it.
I I really liked that kind of like dueling those dueling
thoughts as well in there. Again, I think yes, lack of
entity, lack of Gabriel in the movie, But again, I thought this
was more of like this is their movie.
Now. This is the the the entity got,
you know, shown off a ton in thelast one, but this was theirs.

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This is this groups, this is, you know, Ethan having an
incredible final moment with Luther, but still also showing
like the I I think we kind of saw Gabriel and the entities,
you know, sort of strength earlyin the film of like, you know,
completely catching them off guard in in multiple occasions.

(02:50:21):
So it it gave you some of that. It gave you some steaks early on
as well. But I really did love the United
States. You know that their their room
of tension was really good. And as we already talked about,
I wish we had seen more of that from other countries as well,
which would have been really, really nice.
But again, the biplane stuff is excellent.
I really enjoyed, you know, justagain, the additions, Simon

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Pegg, you know, the just the little exchanges of like this is
your team type of thing. Like we already talked about
love the the submarine crew, thesubmarine operators really,
really good. Again, Ethan doing Ethan things
of like, no, I'm just going to jump out of the Osprey like I
there's no other option. We're not backing like just all

(02:51:05):
of this. It just felt very much like you
could feel like the trio in thisone more.
Yes, yeah, which it it needed tobe there.
And I think that really, you know, kind of him, him kind of
embodying the the trio in end game essentially of just like he

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I think he embodied all of them.And so I'm glad I thought of
that as we were going through these.
But I I did really enjoy it. I can't wait to see it again.
Yeah, kind of flush out the thoughts but yeah, it it was
tough going between 7:00 and 8:00.
Bayshore Park says these guys must not have girlfriends lol. 3
hours without interruption. My, my sister-in-law is hanging

(02:51:50):
out with my wife so she's occupied and the kids are in the
bed. So this is my time to relax, to
talk about football, talk about movies, and I'm in my helmet.
However, I did eat some really, really spicy wings for dinner.
And I think I probably had like maybe 20 more minutes before I'm
going to be in serious need of some plumbing.

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We'll keep, we'll keep it moving.
So I think we. Yeah.
So I think you, you get the first pick on top three, then.
Yeah. What's your, what's your #3 it's
dead reckoning. OK.
Again. Really, I'm glad I figured out
like, OK, yeah, entities movie that the terrifying thought of

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it going in was like, Oh yeah, this is a this is I think a a
decently compelling villain for not being human.
If you're not kind of Gabriel, right of like, Oh yeah, this
this could happen. I think it was a better fleshed
out villain than I think what I think it was to the level that
people probably wanted Ultron tobe in in that movie.

(02:52:55):
I feel like it's a really well fleshed out version of it.
Yeah, where it's like people were wanting more from from
Ultron in in that movie. It's like, well, I think you're
getting it here, just not in a not in a form of itself, but you
have a a a a true devotee kind of walking the walk as as his
kind of hype man. So would have been nice to

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almost would have been nice to have.
But somebody like James Spader cast as the entity, you know,
the the entity didn't have any actor personality, you know,
which maybe made it all the morethreatening that it was.
Yeah, maybe it's not the soothing voice of James Spader.

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That's kind of like, oh, I like this.
It's kind of like, no, this is Iwas terrifying.
Why it gets dinged. Ilsa, Ilsa getting getting off
to this one that hurt that that,but it was it was meant to, but
it was it did a great job 'causeI was I was livid the first the
first time I watched it. Love the love the the build up

(02:54:04):
again as always between Ethan and and Benji of like, yeah,
this is this is it. I got to I got to take the
motorcycle off this mountain just like building to it was was
really good that the train like that is actually a real thing.
The camera was attached to it and you can see it.
They did the train thing of it like going into the river, which

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is awesome. So much fun, so much fun.
Really, really good. The tension in the in the room
with Ilana is excellent. The realization the entities in
the room is excellent. I thought Ilana actually outdid
her. I was just saying something.

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She was good in she was good in fallout.
Yes yeah, she she level did likethat.
I I really did. This was this is the opening
sequence is is a little jarring because you don't you're kind of
like oh, this is Bishop. There's nobody in this.
I know right. Like this.
It's a it's a very, it's a very different introduction, which I
think I think helps it, but it was also a misdirection because

(02:55:09):
because you think that they are that the sub is going to be the
threat. And you know, they're talking
about like, Hey, we and we are the deadliest force in the
ocean. And so you think that that means
that that is, and honestly, it takes a while because I think
for a while in the movie, you are still expecting that sub,

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the technology that that sub is to be the thing that people are
after. And it takes a while to realize
no, no, no, we're setting this up as an example of something
that's really menacing that doesn't stand a chance against
the density. Yeah, no, it's a it was a
successful misdirection. Yeah, I do like that a lot.

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Carrie Elvis in EU s s back dealings and all of it was
really good again Pom Clemente of his Paris I I had a blast
again 11811 eight yeah 7. She didn't do as much for me,
but by the time we got to her again at 8 yeah she had the kind

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of psychotic though like devotion thing going on of like
just driving the big the hum Hummer looking thing like yeah
give me all of that the the shaky Cam close up in the alley
fight. Oh really great really yeah, it
was a tense scene for sure It was really good.
So I I yeah I enjoyed it a lot. I I'm going to leave it ahead of

(02:56:32):
eight just cause slightly I boththey both have 9 threes for me
really really liked both I've seen dead reckoning more so I
kept it ahead. I we'll see if anything changes
though upon multiple dead reckoning is my #3 as well.
OK and I gave it a perfect 10 out of 10 rate.
OK, I really didn't have a single problem with it.

(02:56:55):
Nice OK, you listed all the strengths that I loved about it
and I just it was it's it's it is very good.
It's I think for me that was thestruggle of rewatch was OK, no
more ills. I guess that's tough.
Don't like that. I was like, I don't I'll just
I'll just be over here rewatching 5 at six.
Don't don't bother me. But yeah, it was a good pain

(02:57:19):
though, because it was an earnedpain, you know, and seeing Ethan
grieve her and I I think also well, the build up right, the
whole like this is my first timein Venice.
Me too. I'm like, that's it, see you.
That's I, I just, I, I right then and there.
It was kind of like, OK, well, Yep, This is why Haley Atwell is
being introduced, isn't it? Like it was, it very much hit me

(02:57:40):
right then and there, like, OK. And I, I think that I've seen
this before. I've seen this type of the setup
before. I'm glad they paid it off too.
That was, that was a nice thing as well.
They kind of paid that off of like, no, we're not doing the
gotcha thing. We already did it early in the
film. But yeah, and I think Ethan and

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Elsa always wanted to be together.
And you know, once Ethan and hiswife separated, he was never
with anybody else the entire rest of the franchise, which and
there was that, honestly. So I don't always bond, always
tries to drum up the relationship part of it more so.

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And like, we don't, it can do that.
We don't. We don't need that, but I do
think this was the closest. This made the loss of Ilsa more
painful, though, because they wanted to be together her much
more openly than he did. But he he clearly had a soft
spot for her. And then, you know, but he still
has this like devotion. Like even though he and his wife

(02:58:43):
chose to separate to keep her safe, he clearly has this
loyalty and devotion to her. And then at the end of Fallout,
the previous movie, is when he finds out that his wife has
moved out. She's remarried.
So he has this permission, I guess, you know, to go be with

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Elsa. And it never comes to fruition
because she's murdered by Gabriel.
So we're so we're, we're revealing our number one at this
point, right? And so so let me, I'm trying to
remember here. So you still have Rogue Nation

(02:59:26):
and Fallout, right? Five and six, five and six for
the two that you have not revealed yet.
So Fallout for me was my second lowest.
It was so we didn't really see eye to eye on that.
But my top 2 include five and three, Rogue Nation and MI3,
which was low for you. MI three, I think was your was

(02:59:47):
your second to last. No, 6th it was 6th.
MI one was it was second to last.
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
All right, so so we both really agree on five and then wildly
disagree on three and six, whichI think is really interesting.
So yes, do we wanted to stay at the same time we wanted to say
what our number one is. I'll count down ready.

(03:00:09):
It just got a 10 for you, Correct.
Did did your third get a 10 as well?
My third got a 10. OK, so you have three 10s.
This is my only 10. OK, This is my only 10.
All right. I think I know what you're.
I think I know what you're number one is.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I said it
already. I think I've said it.
You probably did. OK, but I'm going to countdown.

(03:00:29):
Ready. Kyle. 321 Rogue Nation.
OK, Yeah, that's what I thought yours was.
So Rogue Nation obviously was my#2 so five and seven, Rogue
Nation and Dead Reckoning, I both gave a 10 to MI three, I

(03:00:50):
gave a 10 Plus, this is one of my favorite movies of all time
and it's entirely carried by Philip Seymour Hoffman.
You know I have AI have a short list of I've ever seen in any
movie. Heath Ledger's Joker and Philip
Seymour Hoffman in MI 3 hold thetop 2 spots for me for all time

(03:01:13):
villains, you know, tied with Darth Vader, I guess.
All right, you got those 3. So like Philip Seymour Hoffman
menacing, charismatic, compelling, interesting.
The stunts in this are great. The tension at the end he's
trying to save his wife. This is one of the few times in

(03:01:33):
the series where I truly bought into like the just the terror
and the fear of legacy going to be able to save her in time.
Then you have the the rug getting jerked out from your
feet when he's trying to save that girl on the helicopter.
Yes, and and you don't see it coming.

(03:01:56):
You think he's going to be able to save her.
Go over this as Charles Minor doesn't make her top villains.
Well, but it's not besmirch Charles Minor, it's true.
Of. Course from the office, which is
Idris Elba. I mean come on, Charles Minor is

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not even the best office villain, right.
You got to go James Spader with the lizard game right, But you
got you got great stunts MI 3. The masks in MI three, I think
are maybe the only time in thosein the series where I find the
masks interesting and enjoyable.But seeing Ethan put the mask on

(03:02:40):
is a lot of fun. It's kind of the only time that
we really actually get to see that in its full.
You know, we're not going to useany camera cuts to, you know,
kind of cut corners and then take the easy way out.
Without Philip Seymour Hoffman, it still would have been, you

(03:03:01):
know, a nine plus for me. But you toss in, I mean, he
Philip Seymour Hoffman is the best actor performance in this
entire franchise, better than anything that Tom Cruise did.
Even Rebecca Ferguson, like Philip Seymour Hoffman's
portrayal in this in this movie is the best in the whole
franchise. And I, you know, I need to see

(03:03:28):
this movie so many more. Even interrogated on the plane.
Yeah, he's, and he's so scary too, you know, and, and also,
you know, I think you add to it the fact that Philip died so
young and this is one of his best roles that he was able to
get out in his career before he passed away, I think kind of

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adds to it for me of like, I think had he kept living, you
would have seen some more cool roles like this from his career.
And I think we were kind of robbed of that.
So I kind of savor his performance even more.
Two of us are the Mission Impossible streaming somewhere.
I I know that at least Dead Reckoning is available on Prime

(03:04:15):
for free right now. Because if the others are on
Prime. Oh, there it is.
Well, there it is. Yeah, but I know Dead Reckoning,
you don't have to have a Prime subscription to go to watch it.
I do know that that is true. How long?
Don't. So.
So. All right, I'll, I'll let you
talk about Rogue Nation then. And I think I think I think you

(03:04:39):
should make sure you talk for atleast 2 minutes about something
about that movie that was not Rebecca Ferguson.
Oh, that's no problem at all. OK, so love at the beginning,
it's to me, this is this is it for so JJ says 3 is one of his,
I think one of the best films tohim of all time.
This might be this this is in the top three for me.

(03:05:02):
Like you, you put a Mount Rushmore movies together.
Rogue nation is on it period. It's again, it's not we'll we'll
we'll save how about this? I'll save the Rebecca Ferguson
part for the end. How's that?
We'll build to that. So for starters, I mean, the
opening is great, you know, justagain, just not following the

(03:05:23):
rules at all. Classic, classic opening.
We'll throw the Ethan Hunt plus precariously suspended on high
moving vehicle trope right off the bat on a plane of all things
just very classic flying by the seat of the pants got the
parachute on the on the what is it something like nerf gas.

(03:05:45):
It's really, really good. It's just Jeremy Renner, yes,
he's reduced to, you know, kind of the behind the scenes guy,
but I think he he wasn't given alot, but I think he somehow did
well as like the sidekick interesting pass like butt
kicker in 4, but also kind of like the snarky, you know, kind

(03:06:06):
of that side of him in in the fifth one.
I think plays really well. Love that they're plunged into
the real world like the committee's asking them
questions. Great.
Jeremy Renner's got the elite line start to finish.
I can neither confirm nor deny any details of any operation
without the secretary's approval.
Love that it's full circle. I do think Alec Baldwin actually

(03:06:30):
does a great job of being the, you know, the CIA contract.
He's maybe not as good as as as brakes.
Is it brake? What's what's the in seven and
eight like he's not really like the the government official, but
he I think he does a really goodjob of being that kind of
separate antagonist of kind of leading the strike force since

(03:06:51):
7:00 and 8:00 kind of oppositionto hunt.
But I think Baldwin does it really well from behind a desk.
Just you know, the the the arrogance, of course, you know a
little a little call back to saying he was at the CIA at the
time of MI one really like that too.
But just yeah, the opera, the opera sequence, it's that in the

(03:07:15):
Burge sequence to me, the top 2.And it's, you know, you could
you could haggle about which one's top opera sequence to
playoff of all the different characters.
I think it's just such a good job.
Love that. Love that a Solomon Lane is not
in one of the upper deck type ofthings that the opera like a
menacing villain. Nope, I'm in the crowd, man.
I know what I'm trying to bring down.

(03:07:36):
I know my motivation. I'm not going to fall for that
trope that a Sean Ambrose would fall for that.
A you know, maybe even Philip Seymour Hoffman would, he
definitely would because he he is arrogant and brash, but can
back it up also. But I, I do love that a little
bit, But I, I, I love that we'replaying around that big
sequence, finding one assassin. Turns out there were three of

(03:07:56):
them. Yeah.
His solution is what is what brings that that scene all
together and and puts a nice bowon.
Yeah. I just feel like the the music
and the tension and all of that with all the different players
on on to me was a chess board. I've been to that.
Phenomenal. Have you really Awesome.

(03:08:16):
That's very cool. They need a plaque there like
Ethan jumped off the top of the roof.
Also love that the again, like it's not perfect.
The the pole falls down as well after they they they yes, just
exactly like Oh yes, we're building off of four.

(03:08:36):
I love this continuing a little bit of Brad bird in there of of
like would definitely do that. McCrory does it as well.
Man, what I I could be here for for a week.
I shouldn't be, but I I just again, I find the villain
compelling of like no, I was in my government.
I I did all this. The motivations there like
understanding, like, you know, Rebecca Ferguson's, you know,

(03:08:58):
line of like you, you get rid ofinnocent people type of thing.
I'm not going to use the K word on here just for obvious
reasons. But and then Lane's character
coming back and saying I helped my government do that and more,
much, much more. And just like I think he he's
not overwhelming, right? He's not imposing physically,
but he feels like somebody wouldjust kind of bite your ear off

(03:09:20):
Sean Harris does a tremendous job.
Again, I think the Chief Attlee casting is really good as well
of just kind of being like the, you know, you're undercover with
this, like kind of I have this over your head type of thing.
The the excuse me, the slight, the slight perhaps misdirection

(03:09:43):
of when Luther finds out her identity and saying she's bad
news. Love that little misdirect
Mission Impossible seasoned fansknow it's a misdirect, but those
who don't that it builds great tension in that you you die.
You essentially die in the cool in the, in the, in the water
down there, right. And and as you we kind of talked

(03:10:05):
about before, like the sequence,the chase scene in the car,
going from car to motorcycle, just the way Ethan and Benji
play off each other on that is so, so good.
And then all of the players kindof joining in in Morocco.
I, I really, really like that. And again, the, I think the just
the dialogue was exceptionalnessof like, you know, leading up to

(03:10:25):
the Prime Minister, you know, kind of sequence as well of like
Alec Baldwin's character going, you know, you still believe you
could control any outcome as he's about to walk into a
outcome they already controlling.
Really love that. And and kind of that Ethan
doesn't even necessarily beat lane.
He just kind of out maneuvers him.
I think is a really that that's people have really have put it

(03:10:47):
well of like. And then, of course, the the
dialogue. I I know I'm going to put you in
a box. It's so good.
It's just it's incredible. Yes, he gets there.
There's a little bit of desperation and, and, and
irrational like feeling you get from, from from Ethan in this
one, especially when, you know, they kind of have that meeting

(03:11:09):
at the at the train station as well and just all that build up
to that. It's so good.
I just the motorcycle chase classic excellent.
Let's throw that in there. But it's so good on top of it
and he's really doing it. Of course, that motorcycle's
much better than six to me. Like that's just that is out on
the freeway. All of that's really, really

(03:11:31):
good and just, yeah, well, it's fun because because Ilsa is out
driving Ethan. It's, it's, it's kind of fun
seeing him, you know, getting shown up like that by her.
It's, it's one of the kind of early things that she does that
really makes you as the audienceand Ethan really start to

(03:11:54):
realize that she needs to be respected.
Yes, she's on the level, She's on the playing field.
She she deserves to be on the playing field.
And yeah, I mean, just knowing, knowing Ethan's motivation as
well of like, I'll just stand out in this road.
I know he's not going to hit me.He's not going to risk anyone
like that. It's so good.

(03:12:16):
Also at the beginning, by the way, when he gets captured.
Really love that. We kind of gloss over it.
If you watch it back, Lane is inone of the recording studio
booths as Ethan walks in. Really love that detail.
Yeah, I never noticed that. Yeah.
It's it's not something you pickup on, but he is in there
initially and then the the stuntof him like going up that like

(03:12:37):
pole is real. I don't even know how you do
that. I've no clue how you do that
especially, you know, at his age, he was still gosh, what was
he back? He was, you know, in early 50s,
right? I think something like that of
like, man, you're, you're doing this.
I just incredible. So I, yeah, I just, there's,
there's never a dull moment for me in this one at all.

(03:12:58):
Like, it, it just start to finish.
If I'm picking one of the moviesto throw on, it's it's this one.
It is, it's just Ilsa's introduction's done so well.
Her back story's done so well. They and that's what's really
nice about this. When you go like, oh, I don't
like 8 'cause they don't flush out the character dialogue,
right? All of the like, tension in the
background of like all these governments getting taken over
by the entity right in the nuclear systems.

(03:13:19):
Like, no, no, we get all the back.
We get all the back. The, the, the dialogue in
between like Ethan's movies whenhe's not on screen, like we're
still getting that. Whether it's Hunley and, and
Jeremy Renner's character, whether it's Lane and, and, and
Ilsa, we get all of that. And I think it, it, it,
Mcquarrie had a difficult task to me of like building off A5

(03:13:40):
with the next three, like a, a supremely difficult task because
of I, I think how, how excellentit was.
It's circling back to Elsa one more time too.
The fact that she was like everybit as competent and capable as
Ethan was the difference betweenwhat's Michelle Monigan's

(03:14:05):
character's name, what's his wife's name?
Julia. Julia.
So there has been her and Julia.So, you know, Ethan has to walk
away from Julia because she's atrisk.
Yes, and he knows that he is going to choose her over saving
the world. And I'll second take care of
herself. And so this is the reason why

(03:14:27):
the appeal is there with her. And it doesn't seem unbelievable
because I think anybody else whohe could possibly get
romantically involved with and he doesn't, but also, but
anybody else that he could have any kind of a of a life with, it
completely undermines the sacrifice of giving up Julia.

(03:14:48):
And and that's not something that they could afford to do was
to it was to cheapen that sacrifice, you know, And so then
I, I think again, that makes it all the more painful that he
never does have the opportunity to have a life with Ilsa,
despite the fact that I think that they would have made each
other very happy. You know, the fact that she had

(03:15:11):
everything that was needed in order to make a life with her
possible. So then her, you know, getting
killed is just all the more painful because of just the
sense that, hey, this really waspossible, you know, because of
who she was. She she was maybe the one who I
was like, oh, she could take over.

(03:15:34):
Like she could do, she could do it.
She, Rebecca Ferguson could takeover, right, if if Tom wanted to
keep doing the films but not star in them.
So yeah, that, that was maybe another difficult part of.
And I wonder if she was OK. You know, she obviously, you
know, realized that she was getting replaced by Hailey
Atwell. And she had her, you know,
frustrations with, you know, having her role diminished

(03:15:57):
because of that. But I also wonder if she maybe
thought that she was potentiallygoing to be the new base of the
franchise at some point. Potentially, Yeah, that's true.
Well, listen, all right, People have kind of given us some grief
by the fact that we've gone over3 hours.
I think this is probably our newlongest 3/3 and 1/4 hours.

(03:16:19):
I actually don't think so, no. I think it's at least our second
longest. I think we've done 3 1/2.
We've done 3 1/2 more than one stuff.
I I honestly, I think so it wouldn't shock me, put it that
way. We the only reason we can do it
is because we have people who TuneIn and listen and let us go

(03:16:41):
this long. Very true.
That's, you know, other shows don't go this long because their
audiences don't put up with it. So appreciate you guys hanging
around. Yeah, appreciate it.
Yes. So Jake, how many how many more
times are you going to see Mission Impossible in you know,
before it leaves the theaters? Probably at least twice, I would

(03:17:05):
say I think this weekend for sure.
I'm glad I, I didn't twice this weekend, which I, I, I think I
told you I was going to do. I, I have no problem spacing it
out a little bit more. Let's me, let's me think about
like the rankings, especially oflike, all right, where's it
actually going to fall? But I, I did enjoy it.
I think it's again, I think it'sfor me, it's hard to just from 4

(03:17:26):
through 8. I just feel like it's for me at
least it's there are no misses and so and even 3 through 8,
honestly, they're just it's you know it it doesn't miss.
So love the series stinks that it's coming to an end, at least
for now, allegedly, at least fornow, as in the famous words of

(03:17:48):
Goody, yet it comes to trading getting more picks to getting
more Bishop impossible movies. But yeah, that this was fun to
put together some rankings. And by the way, Adam said love
the movies. You did have Fallout it too and
I know you had Rogue Nation at 2.
So yeah, I did. Also just want to acknowledge so

(03:18:11):
too old for this a bunch of times friendship with hyping up
Lilo and Stitch. So listen, I have heard from
everybody out there that the Lilo and Stitch movie is not
good, but I am going to see it this weekend because my daughter
really wants to go to the theaters.
Wife is going to be out of town.It's just going to be me and my

(03:18:32):
daughter at home. She's been begging to go to the
movie theatres for a long time. And in my movie theatre, it's
Lilo and Stitch and a couple of horror movies and that's it.
So Lilo and Stitch it is. So I don't know if we're going
to do a mover review of Lilo andStitch next Tuesday, but I'll
tool for this. I'll at least give you a thumbs

(03:18:52):
up or a thumbs down. Like it have a live action
remake. I, for the most part, I have
tended to enjoy the live action Disney remakes, you know, I
mean, even back, you know, I sawCinderella when I came out in
theater and I enjoyed that one, you know, just fine.
I did not. I think there's two of the

(03:19:15):
remakes I have not seen yet. I have not gotten around to
seeing Mulan, and that's honestly mostly because I don't
have anybody who's interested inseeing it with me, and I just
don't get around to seeing a tonof movies by myself these days.
That's the biggest reason. And then I still also have not
seen the new Snow White, but most of the other live action

(03:19:38):
remakes I've seen. Jungle Book was good, Lion King
was Lion King was fine. That was maybe 1 of the ones
where I was a little bit underwhelmed.
Maleficent was great. I haven't seen Sleeping Beauty.
That's another one I haven't seen.
Oh no. So, you know, are they Mission
Impossible? No.

(03:19:58):
They're no, they're, they're good.
They are. Not they are not.
Well, listen, it's happened again.
You've squandered another perfectly good hour with us here
on derail. Don't know why you keep doing
it. This is actually the longest you
were right. Is it really?
It is by a couple. I I thought we had one it was

(03:20:20):
like 331 or something. I thought so too and I can't
find it. We have a 318, which was like 2
weeks ago. All right, maybe that's what I'm
thinking of. So we we just barely eclipsed
that one. All right, all right, hey, props
to us high 5 top all right, takeyour hat off you dish back bull.

(03:20:42):
Even this is Ed policy time here.
Look at our cat hair. Both of us, we both have great
hair. In the words of the late great
immortal Ed policy. Thank you all.
Merry Christmas and go pack.

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