Mock Drafting Moana 3 and Four Loko to the Packers

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None. Welcome back to DERAILED.
I'm your host JJ Leahy, here with Jake Chavink.
How did you like that blast fromthe past?
You guys remember that song? Yeah.
So old old into a song I did that for.

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You, Jake, I did that for you, OK?
You surprised me. I was like, did he accidentally
hit? That was, you know, so Durst was
already upset. He didn't like that at all.
That's tough. We'll have to go back to the the
drawing board, but it should getyou fired up at least.

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It's not as folksy, but I think it does the job.
I mean, I, I, I do wonder, like if we left it up to the chat,
what would be our opening song? Would it be the legend of Ed
policy that we've been doing forthe last almost year?
Or would it be the old song? It's a it's a blast in the past.
It's it's nostalgia, right? We got we got Jack on X saying

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what's good JJ, what's good Jack.
Thanks for tuning in. Love the Tim Allen profile pic.
I always like when we get chatters on X.
We just don't get them very often, but it's fun.
It's fun seeing the different platforms.
You know, we all live on Facebook X and YouTube.
We were doing Instagram for a while and like nobody was

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watching it on Instagram. So we do have very important
Jordan Love injury news. We have to talk about but.
Before that, even more importantly, I went and saw
Fantastic Four. All right, Dirshel made me do
it. It was pretty good.

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I enjoyed it a lot. Missus Leahy promised that she
was going to do a review live onthis show, and she texted me her
review. So she just gave it 3 1/2 out of
five stars 'cause she thought the baby thing at the end was
cheesy. I liked it.

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Look, I didn't see the Fant 4 Stick movie that came out in 20.
Remember that was 17 one with Miles Teller and 15/20/17,
something like that. Somewhere in there.
The reason I didn't read it, thereason I didn't watch it is
'cause I was just reading like the little description of it

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before it came out, because like, the trailer didn't look
that good and I was a little bitjust like, confused.
About some of the stuff that's. Going on.
And then it was talking about how like Doctor Doom was just a
hacker. I'm like, I don't need to see,
like you don't need to modernizeDoctor Doom into just a hacker.
Like he's, he's a corny villain.Just, you know, lean into it and

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make him cool in the way that he's cool in the comics.
Like, you don't have to try harder than that.
Yeah, for anybody who did see Phant Fourstick, tool for this
is here. Tool for this.
OK, explain something to me. Phant Fourstick in Phant
Fourstick, right? Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are
not the same race as each other,despite being biological

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siblings like always, right? They're always biological.
Siblings is one of them. Adopted.
Or do they just not ever addressthe fact that one of them is
black and one is white? That just threw me for a loop.
Like if you, if you're gonna make one of them black, make
them both black or I don't know,just make some character who

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doesn't have a biological sibling who's a different race.
I don't know, that was just weird to me.
I don't really have a problem with race swapping in movies,
but they were making them like adoptive siblings or something.
I think that was a little weird to me.
I don't know, maybe. Joel for this says I.
Didn't read comics and didn't realize they were related.

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Yeah they talk about being brother and sister like all the
time in the other Fantastic Fourmovies and they have the same
last name. They're they're definitely
siblings fo shizzle. Biggest reason I didn't watch
fan Forstick. I don't like Miles Teller but he
was good in. Taco and Maverick.
I I did. Enjoy him in that.

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Tool for that says you guys havean Instagram not really anymore.
We were, we were trying and nothing was happening on there.
So we're focusing our efforts onthe social media channels that
people are actually doing stuff on.
Yeah, Instagram feels like not alive type of place unless you
already have a lot going. So unless you're sharing a lot

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of clips, like do you do anything on Instagram?
Jake, 'cause I, I don't like, I have an Instagram account, but I
don't do anything on Instagram ever.
I don't do much on Instagram. Probably should be doing more,
but I feel like it's, I feel like it's just a, a misfit of a

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platform for what we do because it's, it's not video really and
it's not audio. So that doesn't really support
the whole podcast thing. It doesn't really support the
film breakdown thing. I don't know you know, I also
none of my friends are really big on you know, into Instagram
or anything, so it's just no poll for me.

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All right, let's see here tool for this says, hey, guys, came
over here from PAA little early because people were talking
about Musgrave in a positive light.
You know, here's the interestingthing.
I will say there's some players,and Musgrave is one of them,
where the public perception of this player is, is just, it's

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such a dichotomy, right? You got just this massive chasm.
And there's a lot of people who are, you know, like watching
what Musgraves doing at trainingcamp.
And they're like, oh. Man.
Breakout season like he's so good.
You guys are, you know, you're overrating Tucker Kraft at the
expense of forgetting that Musgrave is, you know, exists,

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you know, and that probably on this podcast, if anything, maybe
we do underrate Musgrave a little bit because no point, all
right, My Co host here think that Musgrave like basically
isn't an NFL player at all. And I'm like almost there.

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He's just not a tight end. We got to stop calling these
guys tight ends that are just big receivers.
That error is done playing wide receiver, though.
Do you want to play in wide receiver?
The error is over unless your name is Brock Bowers block.
OK, that's it. That's that's it.
That's all it is unless your name is Brock Bowers block or

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get off the field. Dunkin Kate has found that out
the hard way in Buffalo. Maybe maybe something flips.
But like, there's a reason Krafthas has figured out and gotten
on the field a lot more. There's a reason Laporta is on
the field a ton because he's notjust a receiver anymore.

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There's a reason that Tyler Warren's going to be out there a
bunch for Indy to start the season.
He blocks. OK Colson, Loveland's running
with the ones in Chicago. Just heard it today.
Cole Comets running with the twos almost exclusively.
Loveland can block and he can bea receiver.
You have to do both or in all fairness, Cole Comet can't do

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either one very well. We'll take that offline.
I don't we'll we'll debate lateranyway.
My he's not the worst, but he isabsolutely has been overrated
his entire career interest. Sure Oh yeah, sure.
I I just he's he's confident enough that he could that the
reason they have Loveland there is that some of the blocking

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duties don't have to go to Loveland immediately right.
They can be in 12 and have guys almost be interchangeable,
right? And and if you're going to have
somebody be the receiver of the two of them, right?
Like, come on, come on, we know who it is.
So that's the problem, right? So you you have these guys like
Harold Fannon going to Cleveland.
What's he going to do there? He has to win the slot receiver

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job. He has to he has to win it.
It took a long time for Njoku, even though he has the massive
reach that he has to become a combo player, he is becoming a
combo player, right? So, you know, the, the, there's
a reason that, you know, when people talk about the greatest
tight ends that Grant comes up, even though he's played less

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years than Kelsey has, because he did everything.
And so in this era that the, thecyclical NFL that we're shifting
back to like, hey, we're not spreading out as much anymore.
We're under center play action, right?
You, you know, you run with you run at the close, at a close
formation with a tight end, you're running with the tight
end on some zone plays. Like there's there's a reason

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we're doing all that stuff. So sorry, like it's kind of how
it is right now. I can't wait to dive into this
next draft class of tight ends and see how many of these guys
just don't block period. And you know, good luck.
Fake fines. You're going to have to figure
something out. Like at least Mike Kasiki is

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like legitimately just leaning into the bed of like, no, I'm
just I'm just a big wide receiver.
I'm playing slot for the Bengals.
It's like, OK, cool, great. Like that's what you're doing.
There's a reason Bach Bowers is never attached to the line in
Vegas. That's why they have mayor
there, Mayor's blocking and Bowers is running all the
routes. That's just how it is.

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Like and and it'll be nice in 12sometimes, but like, I don't
know, defenses don't have to kind of like Kiana.
Like what route is Musgrave going to run?
Like no, you have like 3 optionsspeaking.
I don't know. I don't know what you want me to
be in 12 a lot. The Packers have been doing a

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lot of stuff on 12 in training camp and again, you know, this
pre season game against The Jets.
And I do wonder if we're going to see a healthy amount of fits
and craft out there together. Look, you know, we talked last
week and the week before about people being a little bit out on

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Ben Sims right now and that, youknow, like Ben Sims doghouse
type thing going on, which like I, I, I don't have anything to
say one way or the other on likeI don't, I don't know what's
going on. I don't have any indication that
he stinks. I thought he's been really good
for this last couple years. But I am getting excited about

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what we might have in fits and especially if we're gonna keep
running a lot of 12. This iteration of the Packers I
think should keep 4 tight ends on the roster.
It's it is an anomaly for the Packers in general, but
especially in the Matte Lafleur era to only keep three tight
ends. It's basically 4 tight ends

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every single year. Sometimes one of those tight
ends is, is a sort of a full back type.
And then obviously, you know, when we had Daguara, he was, he
was an F, right? Yeah, H back, F, whatever.
But tight end, full back, they usually have four guys in that

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combo room. Last year they kept three.
I think they need to keep four this year.
I think we know who the four are, unless Ben Sims really has
done something to tick off Matt Lafleur.
Probably overblown, is my guess.I think they probably still like
Ben Sims. So you probably got those four
guys. Yeah, Yeah, I would think so.

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The the fun caveat to this is the receivers are just dropping
like flies. So I don't know how all that's
going to be handled. Good news for Green Bay Dobbs.
He has a fractured the boot or he's got sprained foot, sprained
foot with the boot. Wix has been out.

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It's our guy, last man standing.He's on the hill with the flag
going this he he's on the boat. He's like, look at I, I am the
captain now. Golden's just I know it's his.
So with Golden, go get Mclaurin.As I said today on Twitter
jokingly, thank goodness nobody cares what I tweet because
otherwise there would be a lot, a, a lot of outrage on that.

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You know who followed me today? I'm.
Just a big hater of A room. What's that?
You know who followed me on X today?
Ball sack sports? Oh no, the the actual 1.
So, you know, things are is thatdid that inspire the title and
the thumbnail today? No, but I I could, I wasn't

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sure. I couldn't resist.
That one, I thought. I thought it.
Was yeah. Couldn't resist.
Too old for this, too old for this.
Almost took the bait. That was the point.
The point was hopefully would people would take the bait on
that. Obviously I don't want to trade
for Mclaurin. I like Mclaurin, but don't need

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to be shelling all that kind of money for somebody who's about
to be 30. So whenever I actually pay post
bait, people do go for it and they get super mad.
Like if I I think that I could do three-year Letterman pretty
well because people get people get so, so good, so good.

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When I post I got got the first time you get crazy mad at me.
Yeah, that I I got got once by him and then I looked at the
yeah, I got got. I didn't look at the profile
then was scrolling through the replies and was like, Oh my
gosh, this is one of my favoritethings.
It is the best X account. It is really good bar none.

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And I'm so far behind comments. I got to get us caught up on a
couple of these. Yeah, yeah.
Tool for this says I've got thisnew redacted flavors tonight.
It's called for local gold drinkWisconsin Blee my friends.
I understand why college kids like it gives them energy to
study. Bro Durchill says you should

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hand out the four local gold at the.
PTA. Meetings.
Yikes. Yikes.
That maybe a double meeting there with packed total access.
Yeah. Usually when people type PTA in
the chat, that's what they're referring to.
That's true. That's very true.

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Oh, let's see, I don't remember who we were talking about when
Ayers said some fans are like, oh, he's always injured already.
I think this was in regard to Jordan Love.
So there's a couple things goingon with the Jordan Love injury
in terms of like people talking online.
And the biggest is some bait from ESPN Milwaukee.

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And if you have not muted ESPN Milwaukee, you have not yet done
yourself a favor in life. You probably should.
Consider doing that. They don't, they don't have any
problems with just kind of wasting your time.
Just say that they are. They are here to have a good
time. They are here to draw eyeballs.

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They're good at drawing eyeballs.
So if you you want to take a leaf out of my book and mute
them, it's not not the worst option in the world.
Got some good stuff about. Go ahead and go ahead and pin
one. Let's see here some folks

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talking about Hopper. OK, so talk about LVN and kind
of what he's been doing. Yeah.
As somebody who didn't like either of the 1st 2 picks Green
Bay made in that draft, I couldn't be, I, I feel like I'm,
I'm almost as far out of the Musgrave as possible.
And then LVN I'm, we are, we arecomfortably sitting in the

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lukewarm area as far as I go, probably sitting in the Luke
lukewarm area for, for Van Ness right now, simply because again,
this people don't like this and that's totally fine.
It's a four three. Guess where the first
responsibility is, folks, you got to hold your ground.

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You got to stop the run first. That's, that's and again, there
are going to be certain scenarios where it, it's very
clear that that does not need tohappen.
But right when you look at all these guys in the 3-4 that are
flying around, dipping around blocks, doing all these crazy
crap, you go, OK, well, we're not doing the same thing.
So I know that there's going to be some like, oh, he doesn't
have the pressure numbers of Nick Benito.

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Yeah, he doesn't play the same position as Nick Benito, Right?
Like, that's the that's the thing.
So I think that's one of the biggest things with him that we
have to monitor. But again, if he I think the
other thing is this. Oh, I saw it.
Where was the Dang comment? OK, this one.
Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you again, but I saw this.

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Because he hasn't. LVN has a different story
because he hasn't shown he can do other things other than the
bolt rush. Von Miller just did a little
interview in Washington. He was talking about, you know,
yeah, it's cool that these guys have all these awesome moves.
And it's really fun to show highlights of me ghost rushing
and the the five sacks of my 120that I have in my career that

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I've got via the ghost move are super cool.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what a ghost move is.
Can you? Yeah, yeah.
The ghost move is the the, so you put the, you put that inside
hand out to get the tackle to swipe at you and you just slide
underneath him, right. And, and so what's called a
ghost move, I didn't know. Yes, yeah.

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So Von always talks about like, Oh yeah, everybody shares those
highlights. And it's like, really what
you're doing is you're you're winning with speed and you're
winning with power. You you could be winning with
both right in, in some capacity,but often you're winning with
one of those two or both things.And it's not always the coolest.
You you love people see the inside spins and you love to

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see, you know, push pulls. The guys just put an offensive
lineman on the ground like JaredVerse essentially won defensive
rookie because he had enough twitch, he had enough
explosiveness, and he leveraged some subtle movements into
powerful, powerful into power. The subtle movements got the

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tackles open up, got them to start swiping early, exposed the
chest and he would run right through them.
So if LVN can add a little bit of that, and I know some people
have rightfully pointed out thathe's a little stiffer than some
guys. Yes, he's you know, he's 270,
right, right. He's not.
Again, we're we're not talking about the Nick Benitos and then

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even the Von Miller's right thatBill Carter's who's probably
going to have a big year. If he can just add a little bit
of that element at all and find a way to get cleaner strikes, I
think you're going to see, you know, much more production in
that regard. So I would rather him not be

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focused on figuring out eight different moves and get to one
or two that can really push you forward in your development,
which should lead to better production.
So that that was all I had to say in LVM, and I'm excited to
see if that materializes. It's a good rant.

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Yeah, I think I think so. Again, do do I care what NFL
players think when they're ranking the top 100?
No, of course not. Absolutely not.
No, do I do I listen when guys talk about their own position
and what matters? Yeah, absolutely.
I was listening to This is football the last couple weeks,
Kevin Clark on ESPN, he's he's going to all the training camps

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and to hear him talk to Dion Dawkins and Penne Sewell about
offensive line play. Oh, that gets that gets you just
fired up. Sewell essentially going yeah,
we have to be perfect. I'm pretty much every play like
we can't mess up. We can't not be open.
We can't not you know, you know,we can't miss a a a lane back

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there right as a running back orwhatever.
Like we have to be perfect. And Dion Dawkins was like, yeah,
it's essentially like, you know,our job is like if we were a
receiver, we have to get open every time and and that kind of
stuff. Really, I, I, I really like, and
so to hear Von talk about like, yeah, like I, I, I want with a

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lot of speed. And yes, the hand timing is
important, right? And then that's part of the
power and the strength that you play with.
But I want with a lot of speed. And, you know, I, I kind of
built off of that speed into just improve technique, right?
Improve timing with striking andall that stuff.
But speed was my main element and I leveraged that into, you

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know, production. So.
Want to talk about the pre season game?
Not really, but I think we probably should.
You know, I think we should too.I think that I think it can be
informative. The number one thing for

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everybody to remember is that the pre season mathematically
has as close to 0 correlation with what you're going to see in
the regular season as it is possible to get mathematically.
This is true for wins, points scored, individual players,

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performance. There's just no correlation at
all. So what can we learn?
I did come away with a couple oftakeaways.
I think most of the good performances and most of the bad
performances that we saw in thisgame from players told us
absolutely nothing. For example, Tyron Hopper post

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in the PFF grade in the mid 90s in that pre season game.
Happy for him. Don't think it tells us anything
at all about what he's going to do in the regular.
He's winning. He's winning Defensive player of
the year. I think let's let's call, let's
come on, JJ, we got to call a spade a spade in the pre season.
Come on. Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I'll I'll put it's just like I'm not taking the bait.
I'm not taking the bait. Get out.
I'll I'll put a dollar on that on on Jake's say so here's here.
Here are the things that I thinkwe can take away.
All right, I saw a couple thingsthat I think are indicators.
One, the Packers fans doing the wave with the Packers on
offense. Don't even try and tell me that

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you're like, oh, no, we wouldn'tdo this in a regular season
game. It's only the Milwaukee package
always does it, always you guys.Well.
What do you need at this point? Do you need every player and
every coach to personally come to your house on bended knee and
beg you? Please, if you are coming to

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this game, don't do the wave. Do you need us to pay you not to
do the wave? Yeah.
I had some people arguing with me, probably on social media
about it and saying like, it doesn't actually affect
anything. I'm like, man, here's what I
know is the team is saying please don't do it because it

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distracts us. The coaches and the players are
both saying please don't do it and you're still doing it.
And if it's not, and if it's notthem, they put stuff on the
Jumbotron that says quiet on offense.
Like, what are we doing? But no, it's a hoax.
It's a hoax. It doesn't actually distract the

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team or anything. This isn't the MBA.
This isn't playoff baseball and this isn't live.
OK, All right. Hockey's probably the best
example of all of them. What is?
You know what is playoff baseball?
What are you talking about? I team doesn't know anything
about that. Well, the heck is playoff

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baseball? There's no post.
Don't worry about it. There's football.
Yeah, there's football going on.We'll Yeah, we've already done
also no such thing as college basketball.
What are you talking about? College basketball?
It's not real here. Here's another take away that I

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have. I there's was one player who I
was watching. There were two players that I
was watching who I was genuinelyreally concerned.
About. Kind of for different reasons,
kind of opposite reasons, I guess.
Watching Jacob Monk, I don't know that he's an NFL lineman.

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I don't know that he has the strength that you need that That
didn't look good, folks. I don't know if he can like, OK,
yeah, a bunch of holding calls, whatever I think he needed to
hold probably. I don't know.
And like you guys know, I did not like the Jacob Monk pick at

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the time. I've been pissed about it for
two years because of how much draft capital we gave up.
To. Move up and go get him.
I don't know if he can play NFL football.
Jake. Am I way out over my skis on
this, or are you similarly concerned about just like, his
ability to play at this level against defensive lineman of

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this size and speed? No, I don't.
I don't think you're out of place.
I mean it. Yeah, it doesn't look, it
doesn't look good. It looks clunky at the footwork
isn't great. You can see the lunging of that
that he kind of does. So like I think like guard is

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completely out. Like I think we've Oh yeah, we
think we've seen enough. I don't think, I don't think we
need to do that again. Yeah, I don't think we need to
do that again. So, yeah, I think it comes down
to, you know, backup center pinch hitter, which is, you

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know, if he can, then great, because we don't seem to have
anybody else who can do it. That's totally fine.
Yeah. I don't know.
I, I just don't think Brian can do it.
I, I think, you know, can you, can you guess who the other
player was that I was watching that?

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It's just like, oh, yeah, I don't know, but too old.
This has gone a little too far here, saying that Golden's
better than neighbors. You need to be careful.
We need to be careful out here. Look, this is the wrong thing.
Now. Now see if tool for this.
Tool for this. What if I said he's better than
lad? Would you be upset?
I think you should be. You know.

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How dare you. Virtual says don't know if it
was brought up before. Has been brought up quite a few
times. If Morgan is legit and the
chargers come calling, what price would it take for you to
be comfortable trading sheed? So lab, let me let me let me
state the case is here. All right, lab Jake's case is

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that they need to move out of a sheed, but also he doesn't want
Jordan Morgan playing. My case is I don't want to trade
sheed, but yeah. So you would do it for lad.
What about joalt? I love that.

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Would you do it for joalt? Of course, who wouldn't?
Who wouldn't? I'm just saying like moving off
of lad is about as likely as moving off of joalt.
I was saying lately, if they want to, you know, if they'd
like Someone Like, You know, Reed or Dobbs included in the
trade getting Golden and and Mcconkey on the same team.

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Yes, please. I'll have another.
That's about what it takes for the legitimate Chargers would
say no to that. Yeah, that's fine.
That's the price. So call somebody else.
That's the price, folks. So the other player who I was
just sad watching and like, I think that we kind of breathed

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in too many of the training campfumes on this guy.
Basically, I've just reverted back to the stance that we've
always had on this player, whichis the correct stance, and that
is Isaiah Simmons. Yeah.
He just doesn't really know how to play Linebecker.
Yeah. Someone copped him to Jaylen
Smith. I thought it was really, really

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funny. I, I thought that was hilarious.
So, you know, I, I, I, I had a good time when people were
watching the game and just putting the clips out there of
like, looks like my band's gone to a new country for the first
time. That's what it honestly, what it
looked like for a second. There he was.

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He was lost, lost kind of all night.
Yeah, It it did not look, did not look great.
So we've got my my guy Ben in the chat here.
Lambeau, LeBeau, Howdy, Welcome.What's up, Ben?
Thanks for joining. Don't forget to subscribe.
We're here every Tuesday. Tool said Simmons looked like me

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playing Madden. That is exactly right.
You know, my best games in Madden go when I'm running the
offense and then on defense, I just let the computer play
defense for me. Like I can comprehend the
defense, but I can't, I can't with my controller.
I can't play defense on Madden. I just can't.

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I'm just I'm terrible at it. I can't make my guy keep up
where I want him to keep up. No, I got to have like a 95
speed linebacker. Otherwise I'm just using like
safeties. I'm not messing around with the
linebackers. Let the linebackers do what
they're supposed to do. You know, I should try doing
some safety play. I haven't really done that.
Like, I, I, I almost always playeither defensive tackle or

(32:25):
middle linebacker. I defensive tackle, I probably
come up with a a couple good sacks per game doing that.
But I also let some really big runs here ripped off.
I'm, I'm basically, basically Kenny Clark, right?

(32:45):
Yeah. Like, I'm pure crash rush.
Hopefully not literally. Oh, pure pass.
Pure pass Rust only with no run stopping ability.
At defensive tax fair. That's.
Fair. Theresa, do you think we can fit
Melton on the practice squad? No, don't think so.
No, no. Here's the problem.
This is the problem right here with all these injuries.

(33:08):
You know, we got somebody who could step in to play receiver.
Do you know who could do that? I think Bo Melton could make
that switch, You know, to receive.
Oh, you're crazy. I'm feeling good about the
switch. I feel good.
I feel good about it. You know, I feel pretty good,
man. He does not look bad out there
at quarterback. Like he's kind of made this
switch. He's making the team freaking

(33:29):
well. He's he's he's on, it's over.
He's making it. This is not saying much because
it's not a high bar. No, I think he might be one of
our better cornerbacks, which isunfortunate.
But I also think that you could sign several guys off the street
who could come in and be one of our better cornerbacks.

(33:50):
Yes, it's. Yeah, it's not a high bar, but
Theresa says I don't think Melton is ready to be a
cornerback, but he is close. OK, but we don't have that's
enough and that's enough. I will take that.
I am setting the bar on the ground.
I'm sorry. Our cornerbacks look like trash.

(34:11):
Like I, I think I have come around a bit on this Nate Hobbs
idea. Like I still don't really think
he's like a great CB1. He's a, he's a I kind of feel
about Nate Hobbs the way I do about T Higgins.
Like he's a really high #2 pretty poor number one, right?

(34:33):
That's kind of how I view T Higgins.
It's kind of how I view Nate Hobbs.
Problem is the drops off behind Nate Hobbs.
I, I jury is still out for me onCarrington Valentine.
Like I like Carrington, but I'm yeah, I don't really know where
I stand on him and Keyshawn has not looked good at all so far.

(34:59):
Yeah. Like I kind of think our corners
are Hobbs and Valentine. And then like.
Melton, I don't know, like, who else, right?
Yeah, like Keyshawn's going to be out there, but how long is he
going to be out there? Yeah, the more I'm wrong.

(35:22):
Calm me down the corner room. No, I can't talk you down.
I simply can't. Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know what to think about
corner, honestly. You know McKinney, love Hobbs.
You know Reed getting hurt. Get rid.

(35:44):
Get over with now. No, get get us over with now.
You know, how do you get Bikini love and Hobbes to you?
Like what do they have in common?
Oh yeah, Yep. Take it all.
Get it all out of your system. Love that right.
Now that works for me because ifHobbes gets hurt in the regular
season I will have some questions.

(36:04):
Will the Chargers send a corner with lad for Sheed?
You know, that's the question weshould be asking.
Is there a team that you could send LAD to that would send a QB
that would send a cornerback, right?
I mean, I, I don't think where you're going to get a swap like
that. I think we'd have to give up a

(36:27):
lot. To get Lad.
Let me say I'll be willing to doit.
OK? Tool that says Bullard is a
safety, right? I remember him being drafted as
a safety, but a lot of people refer to him as a corner.
So we need to clear the air on something here.
We need to clear the air on something.
And that is that Bullard is one of those special players.

(36:50):
Yes, true. Yes, yes, true.
Bullard is one of those special players who we're going to be
talking about on this podcast for a bunch of years and kind of
saying the same things over and over.
I handed them on him. Because the Packers like him A.
Lot. More than we do.
And the Packers don't view him the same way we do.
I think the Packers are going toplay him.

(37:13):
What Well, Jake and I would say like kind of out of position a
little bit. I I don't know that they're
going to give him a ton of looksat nickel all year.
I think he's going to get some rotation in at it's strong
safety. Frankly, I don't think that
that's a great fit for his skills.
I'd rather have him playing as anickel corner box safety, right.

(37:39):
If you had to, you know, put himin the old Adrian Amos role,
yeah, could work. But Goody's still really.
And I think Lafleur and Haffley both really like Bullard as
well. So I think this is kind of like,
I mean, OK, how many years at this point have I been talking

(37:59):
about other players like Kenny Clark?
Do the Packers just have a completely different view of
this player than? What we do?
It's just a thing. So this is true, Yeah.
We, we typically put him in the cornerback room.
Think the Packers put him in thesafety room.

(38:22):
Yeah, I, I would, I would say so.
Tool Through says using a playeras a versatile guy usually never
works out. Boom.
The few guys who it does work out for, they're in the Hall of
Fame, right? Yeah.
And Kyle Hamilton will be joining them someday.
So yeah, Hamilton can play both safety spots.

(38:43):
He was key to them figuring it out defensively down the
stretch. They moved him to free safety.
And we already know he can play box safety.
Like he he literally did both things.
That's why he will never play for another team as long as he
is still great. So, you know, and, and well, the
Giants are the Giants. But again, McKinney is

(39:06):
versatile. Maybe not in the same way of
like playing more towards the box, but he's versatile in that
you could probably play him on the back end in a number of
different coverages and he wouldn't feel out of place.
Right. But if you're talking about
versatile, isn't like I can playyou at free safety, I can play
at strong safety, I can play nickel.
Yeah, you don't get many of those.
Many of those players, Fitzpatrick might have been able

(39:30):
to do some of it. He didn't really get the
opportunity to because they really didn't want him to, which
was probably the smart move. Branch has done a little bit of
both as far as safety and, and nickel.
But yeah, the, you know, you're talking about, that's why you
go, that's why you go get yourself a, yeah, that's why you

(39:51):
go get yourself a, a Kyle Hamilton, you know, so you can
have 'cause they, 'cause they, they grow on trees.
They're pretty good. They're pretty good.
They grow on trees. Well, it did once.
And, you know, lots of teams decided they didn't feel like
they wanted to do that. Hey, I'll, I'll acknowledge I I
was not a believer in Kyle Hamilton as a draft prospect.
That was one of my misses. I'll own up to that.

(40:12):
That was one player 1, and I never wavered.
Good call. Always player 1.
Tool for this says they have a very different view of Matt
Ozempic. Yeah, well, I didn't like this
post. All right, The Packers posted
long snappers matter, certainly,but not to this franc.

(40:35):
So I'm saying, what did you say?I said certainly, but not to
this franchise. Yeah, There you go.
That's exactly what I was saying.
Yeah. So, you know, we're going to
keep trotting out this the sorriest batch of long snappers
you ever saw. I think the best long snapper
we've had in the Mount Lafleur era was that tight end from

(41:00):
Indiana. The heck was his name?
You're on a blanket. His dad still follows me on X.
Oh, oh, oh, oh indeed. It's.
Like Alvin or something. Jack Coco.
Jack Coco was his name and Jack Coco played at Georgia Tech.

(41:25):
There you go. I did not remember him being at
Georgia Tech. Was he somewhere else too?
He was at good. Question.
He was a walk on at Georgia Tech.
He was there for four years. OK, I don't know what I'm
thinking of who was. So we had we had Hunter Bradley,

(41:48):
then we had the absolutely ineptSteve Wartell.
That was the bottom of the barrel.
Then we had Jack Coco. I thought Coco was much better
than Matt Orszak. Like I'm not saying Coco was a
good long snapper, but when you look at the rest of the long
snappers we've had in the matte Lafleur era, Coco somehow was

(42:11):
the best. I'm not going to say Matt Orszak
has been the worst because SteveWortel was worse, but Orszak was
the second worst. It was.
It was Jack Coco, Hunter Bradley, Matt Orszak, Steve
Wortel. We had a couple of long snappers

(42:31):
who were with us in various training camps over the years,
so I thought were significantly better than some of the guys
we've kept. Yeah.
Who? Was that long snapper?
That's a good question. That's a good question, Dershow

(42:54):
says. Remember when we had all corners
and no safeties? Now it's all safeties, no
corners. So funny thing about that.
We poured a lot of resources into rebuilding the safety room
and then the next year there's ahuge glaring need at corner and
we don't really do much to fix Corner because next year is
corner year we're taking. This is one of those things.

(43:16):
Goody does this every few years.He picks a position group to let
them just bottom out and then hepours a ton of resources in like
a year late. He's done with tight end,
safety, defensive tackle, wide receiver.
Would you rather would you rather wanna do it with corner
or defensive tackle next year? Oh, I'd rather restock the

(43:45):
cornerback room, frankly. OK, like defensive tackle is
important, but you know, give megive me good defensive end play
and good cornerback play first and then give me good defensive
tackle and safety play. Like they're the foremost

(44:07):
important positions on defense for sure.
But like, you know, it's like tier one and then like I hate to
say Tier 2, but like tier 1B. OK.
I like it. I mean, it also kind of depends
on on what scheme you're running.
We're a four three, so I really like to have good defensive ends

(44:27):
and good cornerbacks. Yeah, no.
That's fair in a in A34I care obviously a lot more about the
defensive tackles and frankly and the linebackers.
I mean, you look at what George has been doing under Kirby Smart
with their 3-4 defense and just an absolute road grading

(44:48):
defensive tackles and linebackers that they have there
and, and, and the safety play and they just maul you.
And you know, not to say that the defensive end and cornerback
play has been bad in Georgia. Obviously it hasn't.
It's still been top tier, but that's not the focal point of
their defense. Yeah.
In so that's true. We're a, we're a four three.

(45:09):
So I, this is fair. If I, if I got to pick between
defensive tackle and it's, I don't know, it's, it's tough
because like if you're collapsing the pocket from the
interior, you are just making life hell for the quarterback.
Like, give me I I I think, I think most quarterbacks, if they

(45:32):
had to choose, they would take apocket that they have to get the
ball out quickly. And because the edge rusher is
screaming around the tackle versus your center getting
bowled over into your lap. I think it depends.
I think this the scramblers would much.
I, I mean, the scramblers have no problem with the edge

(45:54):
rushers, right? You're just gonna you're trying
to win around the tackle. Oh, thanks for the escape route
to whichever direction that's coming from.
Like the Joe Burrows of the world probably don't want their
center getting depleted instantly, you know?

(46:14):
So I do think they're they're, yeah, I think there's some give
and take there. But it'd be nice to just get
home with four, you know, told this a great time.
I mean, we got home with four last year.
We were not blitzing at A at a really high rate.
No. Statistically in the league, no.

(46:37):
We were middle and back in blitzrate.
Interesting. Yeah, I would not have guessed
that considering how much Edwin Cooper was rushing to pass or
how much they were moving guys over the center like McKinney
coming in on blitz's as well. Like he was doing a lot of that.
That's surprising. No, Like if you look at the like
the Vikings, for example, list like twice as much as the

(46:58):
Packers did. I think the Packers pass rush in
2024 is one of the most misunderstood units.
Like you talk to the average fanand you know who watched all the
Packers games, Like what they tell you about what they saw

(47:19):
from the Packers defensive line and then you go check that.
The stats it it just doesn't really line up.
Eyes were playing tricks on you last year.
So Kenny was good. A lot of people want to tell me
he was. I'll say that.
So who was good because Kenny played a lot?

(47:43):
Jeff Hafley. Jeff Hafley was well, sounds
like we still need some Kingsleythen.
Kingsley was not half bad last year and I frankly, I still
think he's incredibly underrated.
There's there are a lot of he would be so helpful if we were
in a three. 4 right now. People covering the Packers who

(48:05):
are waffling on like, do I keep an extra defensive end on this
53 so we can keep Kingsley? And I'm like, so you can keep
Kingsley? He's nowhere near the last cut.
If anything, Brenton Cox is the last cut, not Kingsley.
Probably like, yeah, Kingsley, like obviously Kingsley is

(48:30):
getting cut before Baron Sorrellbecause Baron is a fourth round
rookie. I think even Colin Oliver, who
we have not had the pleasure of seeing at all because of his
injuries, probably pretty darn safe over Kingsley.
Although, you know, maybe he starts the year on pop, who
knows? But like they're not cutting

(48:50):
Kingsley. It's it's not happening.
I will be not only shocked, I'llbe pretty upset if if there's
even like a consideration of cutting.
Kingsley. I I don't think we have to worry
about. That.
I don't think we do either, but I will say for all my crapping

(49:13):
on the defensive tackle group, and yeah, it's it was a pre
season game and there's not muchyou can learn from that, it did
make me feel better. That's good seeing them out
there. I've I've been saying Nazir
Stackhouse. Wrong.
It's Nasir, apparently. Nazir Nazir.

(49:35):
I thought it was Nazir. Nazir Stackhouse.
No, it's Nazir Stackhouse, according to Kevin Harlan.
I will defer to Kevin Harlan. Yeah, I would.
I would, yeah. I think that's fair.
So it's going to take me a minute to get used to saying it
the the Kevin Harlan way. But Nazir Stackhouse.
I mean, obviously we've been hearing about here.
It is a name all freaking summerlong.

(49:56):
You know, I, I heard there was adiscussion on another podcast
about like Warren Brinson versusNazir Stackhouse.
And I'm like, they're, they playdifferent positions.
I don't think you're choosing between them.
I think you're choosing like Warren Brinson on the roster
versus off the roster, not Warren Brinson versus Nazir

(50:19):
Stackhouse. Like, first of all, I think
Stackhouse is probably making the roster pretty securely.
Second, if you're if you're looking for somebody to cut
versus Stackhouse, it's I don't just it's not going to be Warren
Brinson. It's going to be like, if
anything, like Colby Wooden. I guess that's possible.
Yeah. But like the other thing is we

(50:40):
just don't really have any othernose tackle options.
Let me pull up the Packers roster again, see that I'm just
forgetting somebody. Do we have any other nose tackle
options? I think we do.
CD So wooden fits the bill. Interesting, the Packers website

(51:09):
lists Colby Wooden at 273 lbs. That does not sound right to me
at all. No I don't, I don't think
anymore. They got him at 64273.
I would say at least 296-4290 for Colby, Wooden, nausea or
Stackhouse. They got a 64327.

(51:30):
You can't tell me the £50 difference between wooden and
Stackhouse. Stackhouse 340.
Wait, what'd you say 3/23/27? OK.
Which is 50 lbs heavier. That's £50 heavier than Colby
Wooden's listed weight of 273, and they're the same height.
They're listed at the same height.
Yeah. I don't think Wooden's 273
anymore. Stackhouse was always listed

(51:53):
around 3:20 at Georgia. Did you know Colby Wooden is
only one year older than Stackhouse?
I didn't. 24 and 23 respectively.
Did not know that. Oh.
Keith Randolph is 64296, according to the roster.

(52:14):
I don't know that I've had eyes on Keith Keith Randolph, so I
didn't. I couldn't tell you.
I don't feel like I've ever watched him play other than
Illinois. I haven't.
So I can't tell you. The first thing about Mr. Keith
Keith Randolph James Ester is not He's 63289, according to

(52:37):
their. Website.
Yeah, Packer's website has KennyClark was at 63314.
I can believe that. I don't think that he should be
that heavy. Kenny Clark to me is like a

(52:58):
maybe a 295 ideal weight. Yeah.
Just to like, fit his game. Like he's not a nose tackle.
He's never gonna be a nose tackle.
Let's lean into what he is good at.
Yeah, Tool for this, says Brooksand Wooden feel like a package

(53:23):
deal. For some reason.
I I always have found that interesting that people get
those two guys conflated so muchbecause they're just such
different players. It's like Brooks to me is a
tweener who really should be playing at defensive end.
And then Wooden is, you know, he's a nose tackle, you know,

(53:48):
probably, I mean, where where would you play?
What would you play him at threetech if he's if he was still at
273, obviously no, but we don't think he's 273.
I mean that that number's probably, I'd probably leaned
towards three tech. I mean, best case scenario is a

(54:08):
4I and A34, but we're not doing that.
So he can't do that. It's not possible at the moment.
But that's probably I I'd probably say three tech that's
stop asking. If so, our players, this is not
a this is not a Bucks pod. Even though my even though if

(54:29):
you were a Bucks pod, we'd be talking about Mecca Bucca.
Yeah, and Baker Mayfield. Even though when Jay just thinks
that Oladapo season and mine says trivia and Henderson
season. This is a Packers podcast.
I promise. So that Travian touchdown run
was fun. His his return.

(54:51):
Oh, the kicker. That was fun.
Yeah. Yeah. 60% target share with
Drake May in some 21 personnel packages with Stevenson.
I hate to be. I hate to be buying fantasy.
What? Drafting Travian Henderson in
fantasy if possible. Yeah, I think I'm in leagues

(55:13):
where people also love him too much and I'm gonna get I'm gonna
get him taken in front of me. I am in my.
My league is a league of people who don't watch any college
football at all. Zero.
Yeah, but they are absolutely manic.
It's the weirdest league to try and win in.
They start drafting quarter. I I I kid you not.

(55:34):
OK, Like you hear about this where they start drafting
quarterbacks in like, you know, the second, third round,
whatever. And you're like, oh, so it's
like a bunch of noobs like this is easy to win.
You know, you don't understand. By the fourth round, all of the
quarterbacks are gone. All of them.
Like you are playing, you are playing Kenny Pickett, you're
playing Mason Rudolph, you're playing.

(55:57):
Nobody wants to do that. You're playing Taylor El Grisma
in my league. OK, I I might do that if it's
yourself points. No, you don't.
No. And and you're charged the
tariff. Oh man, I'd still probably do
it. Do we get revenue from that?
I think someone told me yeah. Yeah, Your your gold check is in

(56:19):
the mail. Someone told me that I I get
revenue for that. It's funny.
The, the league, the league I play in is like, it's like a
politics football crossover. Like everybody in the league,
like instead of having like football player pun names, it's
all like political pun names. That's interesting.

(56:40):
Everybody in that league, they're, they're all like
massively into politics. It's it's kind of funny,
honestly. Is it superflex?
No, it's not. In fact, I had to talk them into
PPR a few years ago and they were like, heck is PPR.
We've been doing this league forforever and we have the blast.
I know what NPR is. What's PPR, Sir?
Exactly. Yes.
I've never heard of that thing. But can we defund NPR, please?

(57:03):
Or PPR, please? Can we defund PPR?
Yeah, We need to get rid of PPR.I'm, I'm, I'm so libertarian.
I want to defund PPR. That's interesting.
We, we could, will, will people listen?
Is half PPR the way maybe it is?OK, I, so I, I did, I talked
them into half PPR in what year was it like 2021?

(57:28):
I think I talked them into half PPR and they really had fun.
And so then we did full PPR. Ever since then, and this is our
first year, we're doing keepers,we're doing a keeper COVID, the
real PPR dividing line. So I, I, that's interesting.
That's interesting. I would love to have Treyvion

(57:49):
though in fantasy. How can you make Treyvion?
How can you make Treyvion's kickreturn?
Political, though, is. The question it.
Was a win for freedom. So that Patriot scampering 103
yards and you think, you know what?
It's good to be free. You know what I'm saying?
It's more probably more of a propaganda.

(58:10):
I don't know if you could spin it into like a certain like
take. I don't think you could spin it
into a certain issue probably, but you could certainly
certainly use it as propaganda. Maybe you might be able to this
year because you know, sneakily if New England, if New England
things break right, like never know, man, they could be a year

(58:31):
ahead of schedule. Am I going to buy into them?
A year ahead of schedule? Probably is 2026, probably the
year, sure for sure. But listen, you all did this.
You all let the evil empire potentially return.
So I I'm I'm good with it this time.
See, I'm torn because I like Mike Rabel so much.

(58:54):
Like I rooted hard for the Titans when when Rabel was in
Tennessee and then when when I can't even remember what
happened. Did they get a new regime in
Tennessee or something? Like they did fire Robinson,
right? There was that rift because of
the A.J. Brown trade.
So I don't think they, I think they, you know, were kind of at
each other a little bit. Then they brought in the new
regime and I don't think the newregime wanted Rabel.

(59:17):
So we kind of got nudged out theA.J.
Brown trade. New England will.
That was like the beginning of the end.
It was. It was and then they made what
if we took this good player and gave him away to the Eagles for
a player that's like horribly unrefined but maybe could be
A.J. Brown.

(59:37):
What if we did that? And then since then in the last
what, three years? The Eagles are now one and one
in the in the Super Bowl. And I will say the the A.J.
Brown trade because of how high profile it is and how, how in in
the spotlight the Eagles have been.
It overshadows the fact that Arizona gave up a first round
pick in that draft for Hollywood.

(59:58):
Brown from Baltimore and just said, yeah, you could have the
first round pick, which is wild because get that one because
they just took all of all the players in or of all the teams
in the world to go get a wide receiver from Baltimore.
This is like coming to the Packers, who invented me and

(01:00:19):
being like, hey, we'll give you a premium draft pick for your
long snapper. Yeah, wide receiver was not a
strength for them back then. It's finally I I don't even feel
like it's a strength now, but I would say it's finally not a
glaring liability. Yeah, they're fine now.
Like for a long for what was it 2022 in 2022, I think was the

(01:00:44):
year when any of them anybody would rank like wide receiver
rooms in the NFL. They would put the hackers and
the Ravens dead last, those two.Bateman got hurt after his
rookie year. I don't think he played much.
So they really didn't have anything after that when they
traded Hollywood Brown and they brought in like, oh, the

(01:01:07):
Oklahoma State guy whose name isThailand, Wallace was in that
room. Like there, there was a lot of
that. So it did.
They have Sammy Watkins, too. Probably.
Probably. Sammy.
Watkins was a Raven for 5 minutes that season.
Yeah. It's fine.
I think he was, I think he was with the Ravens and the Packers

(01:01:29):
that same season. That's impossible.
Do you have any interest in in pulling up the footage for the
for Jordan Love and watching hisplace?
Can I get to a few more quick comments so we can kind of rapid
fire through a little bit here that I starred only like the
preseason game Drew put in that Matthew Golden's cuts, footwork

(01:01:50):
and awareness is legit. Man, it was good to see like
after sauce was locking up RomeoDobbs for Golden to just, you
know, get him to panic enough toto get a little Pi was like, oh
man, we're we're cooking that after that after we have a wide
receiver in conversion. Yeah.
So like he's he's starting Week 1.
I was, we were, we were too conservative in the Packers

(01:02:11):
draft winner group chat, JJ saying Week 2 was when he was
going to start. Nope, no, wait a minute.
I didn't say Week 2. I didn't say Week 2.
I said Week 1. You did.
I did here. Wait, let's we'll both look at
it. Well done.
Where this is at this point? Where we here?

(01:02:34):
Oh wow, we've talked so much in I know, I know.
I OK, here it is. August 5th, 7:00 PM.
Yes, I said, call me crazy, but Week 1, I mean, you responded a
little bit later. No.
Oh, yeah. 7:00 PM your time. That's right.
Oh yeah, 7:00 PM my time. That's right.

(01:02:56):
Yes, elite time. So 6:00 PM your time.
Yeah, mine was at 7:00-ish I think.
Or No, mine was the next day at noon.
Your time. You said Week 2.
I said we'll take it Week 2 after he dust DJ Reed for a 46
yard score. I really hope he dust DJ Reed

(01:03:18):
for a 46 yard score in the opener just so I can go back to
that. It'd be like I said this a month
ago. What's up?
We we were both wrong about one thing we placed bets on.
I told you they were going to come out in 12.
I knew they were coming out in 12.
Yeah. But we, we knew that was going

(01:03:39):
to happen. Yeah.
And, and you were right, but we didn't say like the first snap
of the game. We said the first time that came
out in 11 personnel and we were both wrong because Romeo was out
there. So I think it was.
It was. And also they were all the
injured. I think 'cause he had, he kind
of had to be out there. That's the tough part about this
whole scenario is during the game, be like Wix was, Wix has

(01:04:00):
been out and Oh yeah, Reid's in a boot.
So that's why Heath was droppinga pass from Love in the first
quarter, right? Like they didn't have anybody.
So I guess Dobbs walking out, they're going, man, what am I
doing? Do we fire Jason Brabel, by the
way, or, or do we have to wait until until we.
How much do we have to pay Hartline?

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How much do we have to pay him? I'll give him Infinity money.
Yeah. I will not take some from the
Federal Reserve. I'll take some of the gold.
He's the offensive coordinator, though, with play calling
duties. All right, that's fine.
Let's do that same. No, I'm saying I'm saying that.
Oh, you're just saying match that, Matt.
Well, match it. Yeah, Let Matt be involved in a
lot of the other things as well,which we've seen has yielded

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better results when he's. I've asked for that a bunch.
I keep saying that's why that's why I come out.
Yeah, that could work. Not an offensive.
Let's pay him in lots of gold. I'm not saying that I want to do
this with the purpose of improving the play calling.
I'm not saying that I think no is a great play calling, one of
the best in the league. I want to take play calling off

(01:05:06):
of Lafleur's plate so that he will go do all the other head
coach things like screaming at the special teams, like going
over to the defense and getting involved with psyching those
guys up when they need to. Yeah, no, I like that with
actually having some awareness about, you know, the game
situation, play clock, that kindof stuff.

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Like when we have that, you're doing that and you're also like
keeping tabs of like, all right,when I'm out in this, They were
in this when it when we came outin this, they were doing this
like, oh, here's some tendenciesI saw from here and how I'm
gonna adjust my play calling without like and, and, and and
I'm sorry. That's all harder than than
burying your nose in in a, you know, Cheesecake Factory menu.
There's a lot. And picking the perfect play for

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a situation like, yes, that's more fun, but it's easier.
Yeah. It's nice to like hand that off
to some brilliant young guy. Yeah, side note, listen, I'm
tired of, I'm side note, I'm, I'm tired of us paying the price
for Matt Lafleur wanting a coaching treat.

(01:06:12):
Listen, I, I would like to pointthis out from Tool for this.
Then it wants to be a play caller.
That's totally fine. Not here, though.
Sorry. Not gonna be here, my guy.
We can't. Sorry.
I'm sorry if if it's Matt Lafleur's offense and he's the
one designing the plays and he'sthe 1:00 calling the plays.
What's on steno's plate? It's running practice, it's

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scouting for opponents and putting together a game plan.
Like these are the areas where the the team struggles the most.
Hey, let's show up against the Lions and play to all of the
Lions defensive strengths and not play to any of their
weaknesses. And same with the Vikings.
Hey, super penalized offensive players all the time.

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Really penalized offensive line,really penalized wide receivers.
Sloppy practices and receivers running into each other.
I'm sorry, Like steno's got to go.
Steno was totally fine when he was doing online stuff.
Yeah, it's just. A fantastic when these guys
start to move up, we start to find out what they're what

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they're like when they move up to specific job.
Again, some people are just destined to be position coaches
and like some have embraced that.
But obviously in your first likemove up the ladder, you want to
go as far as you possibly can, right?
And even maybe a second time, right?
So like that's going to happen, right?
That's that's the thing. And we're still on the hook for
being put in this binary situation where it had to be

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either Steno or Luke Getzi. News flash, those two guys were
both bad options as offensive coordinators.
And this was years ago. Why can we not bring in a a new
offensive coordinator now with fresh blood, fresh ideas?
Yeah. Somebody who can run practice
hello. So we can have guys who are

(01:08:03):
disciplined and not drawing stupid penalties every single
down. Can we have somebody who knows
how to game plan for an opponentand watch their tape?
Can we do that like steno? You can stay in the building if
you want. Or, you know, want to go replace
Butkus or go work with Butkus and both be in the offensive
line room again. Happy to have you there, bud.

(01:08:25):
You know what? I'd even let you be the run game
coordinator, right? If you really want to.
You can't be the offensive coordinator anymore.
If if, if I was in charge. So yeah, no.
And like, I'm sorry, but screwedwith that thing.
You'll hack it too. All right, I know you guys loved
him in 2020 with the Packers. All right, I know that was a

(01:08:47):
boatload of fun. His entire career, he has never
been good. He was bad prior to getting to
Green Bay. Then he came here, had some good
chemistry with with Matt Lafleur.
Go ahead. Do you want to say something?
I was just going to say really quick.
He lived off like 1 Jaguar run. The AFC championship offense was
terrible. It wasn't very good.

(01:09:08):
It was it was the Saxonville defense, the Jags.
The Jags offense was bad. Go look at how like that defense
like Oh my gosh. And it was and I know they had
portals, portals don't be dumb. Don't be dumb and like Allen
Robinson down there somewhere like that was the offense.
That's literally what it was like O2 over that says Hakka is

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what everyone thinks Lafleur is from Rogers.
That is true. Hakka goes to Denver in like the
most obvious bait situation of all time.
Denver's just trying to lure Rogers to Denver.
Didn't work. He's terrible.
There is what, the first or second head coach in NFL history
to get fired mid season their rookie year or something like

(01:09:54):
that? Like he, I, I think he was, I
think he was like him and Urban Meyer were the only two NFL hug
coaches to to ever get fired like that quickly into their
head coaching career. Then he goes to The Jets.
This is a disaster. I'm not just talking about how
bad their offense was. It was bad, but he wasn't doing

(01:10:14):
anything. Robert Sala was running the
offense in New York while Nathaniel Hackett sat on his
hands and did nothing. The New York Jets media was
writing stories about what was going on in that building.
It was Sala and Aaron Rodgers running the offense while

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Nathaniel Hackett soaked up a fat paycheck just to be Aaron's
buddy and didn't do it. He wasn't running practices,
wasn't doing anything. I'm sorry.
I don't want Hackett in the building.
I don't want Getzi in the building.
I'm fine with keeping Steno in the building, but I want
somebody else to do. You know what?
I'm not going to be vindictive. We don't have to fire Steno.

(01:10:57):
You can keep him here and have him be a Co, you know, Co
offensive coordinator and give him his paycheck.
I don't care. Keep him, that's fine, but bring
in somebody else to do the job. Heck, even if they did, you have
to kick a guy to get fired. That's there's some really good
stuff. There for the tool.
For this, that's great, so true,Drew says.

(01:11:18):
I don't want to take away play calling from the floor.
He's too elite at it. I'm sorry, I other people can
play call Lafleur is an elite play caller.
Yes, he can. Again, we need he can do the
offseason designs. He can he can have, you know, a
collaborative effort in the offseason of setting everything
up. This is what you know, these are
some tweaks we're going to make to the offense this year based
on what we're seeing defensivelyfrom the year prior and what we

(01:11:39):
anticipate what's going to happen going forward, right.
And I think he can still design it while also, you know, under
getting someone in to understandthat and build on it and, and,
and have that vision, that shared vision with him.
Then while also then being able to move to a, a, a directorial
sort of set up for him where he can advise everything and, and,

(01:12:03):
and be the general in the room right at the same time.
So like I, I do think there I get what Drew what you're saying
here. He is great at play calling.
He is great at designing like all that stuff.
But and and and again, this is what Ben Johnson's going to go
through as well, by the way, in Chicago, right?

(01:12:24):
He's built the offense. He was in a collaborative, I
think spot with with Dan Campbell of like, this is how
we're going to build it. This is what function I want to
see. OK, Ben, take that and then do
some other stuff, build off of it, you know, get creative if
you want to. And I think he did that right.
And I think that worked out really, really well.
Now can Ben Johnson execute, design all of that stuff while

(01:12:49):
also being, you know, the general in the room at the same
time? And so I think you you kind of
see that sometimes with the offensive guys.
So, and, and again, as much as I'm like, yeah, whatever, like
like John Harbaugh is in a perfect spot because he isn't
the offensive quarter, he's not the defensive quarter.
He was a special teams guy and he's taking the whole CEO
approach, right? And it, it finally took him, you

(01:13:12):
know, some time to get, you know, coordinators that I think
really are pushing them towards true excellence and greatness.
But like he has done so. So yeah, it's a tough, it's a
tough thing to kind of like, OK,I'm really good at this now can
I go, can I take the next step, like the next one to get.

(01:13:33):
Well, a lot of these guys like Lafleur, like they, they got the
the head coaching job because they were great at play calling
and #1 it's fun and they wanted to keep, keep doing it #2 you
know, they're nervous about like, this is what got me here.
This is what makes me special. So I don't want to give this up
to somebody else. But like, look, man, like that
is not the job of being a head coach.

(01:13:55):
And until you can demonstrate that you can do that and keep
everything else running like you, you have to delegate.
And, you know, we we talked about this quite a bit.
You know, I'm a Ohio State Buckeyes fan, Green Bay Packers
fan. So, you know, there's a big
parallels last year, last coupleyears of Ryan Day was calling

(01:14:18):
plays for the Buckeyes on offense.
And there was people were calling for like, listen, you
got to give up. The play calling duties.
Because we need your focus on defense.
We need it on, you know, game management, game clock
management, all this stuff. And Jim Tressel, former Ohio
State coach, was talking to RyanDay.
And Ryan was asking him his advice specifically related to

(01:14:41):
special teams. And he's like, look, man, like
our special teams are just dreadful.
Hey, that's something, you know,very familiar Packers fans.
And Tress said you should be thespecial teams coordinator.
You got guys from offense and defense both playing on special
teams. It's not a glamorous job.
They don't want to be on specialteams.
They want to be starters on offense and defense.

(01:15:04):
And they're not going to play hard.
For some, you know, just a bumpabuff analyst, pay grade
special teams coordinator who everybody knows is a joke.
But the head coach is the one running the special teams
practice. You know who they're going to
play really hard for? Head coach, they want to impress
him. It gives you the opportunity to

(01:15:26):
build relationships with these guys, get the best out of them
on special teams because they want to earn roles on offense
and defense by catching your attention on special teams.
And, you know, you got your fingers in in the pie there on
special teams #1 like, let's notthrow away this, you know, hand
off from defense to offense. Like it's just a joke.

(01:15:48):
Like, OK, let the analyst schmuck run out there and make
sure that we get to keep the ball while I pick out the
perfect play to start this opening drive.
Special teams is incredibly important.
All right, If you can get an extra 10 yards or not lose 10
yards on special teams, that is as impactful as picking a great
play that's going to get you a first down, you know, on your

(01:16:11):
your first attempt out there of the series.
So there you go. There's there's my rant and
props to Dan Campbell. Props to Dan Campbell for taking
the CEO approach. You know, like obviously losing
both coordinators in the same offseason is brutal and he's
going to have to prove that he made the right hires this time

(01:16:34):
around as well. But you know, I think it'll
work. You look at the the CEO
approach, it just works. It's the best way to do things.
It's how Kirby Smart is doing itat Georgia.
It's how Nick Saban and Bill Belichick always did it.
You know, you look at all the, you know, to your point, John
Harbaugh, like props to Sean McVay for, you know, the fact

(01:17:00):
that he's had the success that he's had and, you know, still
gets to do play calling and stuff he does.
But he certainly had some darn good assistants in that room
that have been able to, again, be a part of that collaborative
process. Understand it, you know, give
him suggestions so he can kind of still be in that CEO play

(01:17:21):
caller role. Right?
You got O'Connell that came through there, right?
Zach Robinson came through there.
He's in Atlanta now and he's he's doing stuff.
So, yeah, there was still some collaborative effort.
But yeah, I do agree McVeigh hashas done a wonderful job.
If you don't get any more starred comments, Oh, you

(01:17:42):
wouldn't start. You wouldn't start my comment.
Hold on, which one? I don't even remember where it
is anymore. But too old for this said Ned is
the best Twitter account. You know Ned, Ned's feed.
You don't know Ned's feed. OK, this is maybe probably I

(01:18:04):
want to pull this up. This is worth something I think
about on the daily, but I probably know what it is.
You know what he's banned right now?
His account is offline right now.
He got banned. That stuff works.
Check out check out Ned's feed on on X when it comes back up.
That's super underrated. Basically his shtick is he finds

(01:18:28):
headlines where he can respond very literally to the photo.
Classic example. OK, headline Hunter mistakes man
for Turkey and shoots him OK, and the picture is a Turkey and

(01:18:48):
Ned comments well, based on thatpicture, can't say I blame him.
It sure does look like a Turkey.All right, stuff like that.
There's another one where there's a there's a bridge right
and like a big Steamboat like crashed into the bridge and the
headline is cause of bridge accident becoming clear and

(01:19:12):
ned's like based on the picture,it looks like it's that boat.
It's super underrated. He only posts like twice a year.
That's good. I I of course he's banned right
now. It's makes me so mad That's good
all right, go ahead. I think the last two I I have a
a little little question I want to get to as well.

(01:19:37):
But Theresa saying the Hobbes I'm and Rob match of week one
will be interesting. I mean, I don't know how much
we're going to see it because itit could be very I mean Hobbes
on the boundary. How many times are we going to
see I'm and raw on the boundary?It's gonna be.
I'm and rock Heshan may not be awhole lot right.
And then then if they're condensed where technically that
you know you're in that condensed formation.

(01:19:59):
I'm and raw is estimates. Hobbs is going to well, yeah,
Hobbs is going to be again outside leveraged, you know, in
in a position where he's, you know, either playing the flat
or, you know, potentially playing a deep third look.
So yeah, I don't know how many times they're going to get
matched up If they do though, yes, I think it will be a fun

(01:20:20):
couple reps there. Airs Joy asking if Hardman in a
is in a shaky spot for the roster even with the injuries.
Do we? Yeah.
I mean, it's it's tough because again, the precinct is just not
predictive. And like the mistakes that
Hardman made, the specific mistakes he made are not like

(01:20:45):
lingering problems that he's hadin the past.
Hardman doesn't struggle with drops.
He doesn't have muffed punts. Like there's other parts of his
game that are a problem. But it's not like you look at
those and go like more of the same.
Like like when we're watching Isaiah Simmons out there look
lost in coverage and not know how to, you know, go hit a hole

(01:21:15):
and seal his run gap. Like he needs to Like, man,
that's just more of the same. Like we're we're depressed
watching that because it's like,Oh yeah, that's what he's always
looked like ever since he got tothe NFL, Nicole Hardman's
mistakes. But This is why it's hard to
answer that because also, how can you not be Matt Lafleur and

(01:21:35):
just be absolutely pissed at what you saw?
It was really underwhelming. So Jake, what's your answer?
I, I guess my, my answer is likeshaky spot probably, but like I
wouldn't like take him off the roster, but shaky definitely
would be mine. I think it's AI think it's a
good question because I think it's, I, I think the answer is

(01:21:57):
yes. I think it, it think again.
Hardman's coming in knowing it'san uphill battle and you kind of
can't, you can't start like that.
He'll he'll have every opportunity, right?
As long as he stays healthy to kind of climb out of that hole.
But yeah, as of now, I I would say yes.
So, OK, we did that one. We did that one.

(01:22:22):
I know Adam was asking what the last offensive assistant coach
you liked. Yeah, I mean, I, John Dunn, our
current tight end coach, I like kind of, I mean, I liked him
before he got to Green Bay. I thought he did a masterful job
in New York with just horrendoustalent to work with.
He got great results from players who were terrible before

(01:22:44):
they worked with him. Who?
Continued to be terrible after he left.
So I've always liked John Dunn. Thought that he, you know, did a
lot with little offensive. See, I really like our defensive
coaching staff right now. Like ever since we did the the

(01:23:06):
overhaul after the 2023 season, like basically during the 2023
season, I'm not sure if there were any defensive coaches that
we had that I liked at all. Barry was bad.
I really, really disliked Jerry Montgomery, who was our, so we
kept. Rebevich is still here right
now, isn't he? He just got moved to, I can't

(01:23:28):
remember. I think he's still here.
Maybe he's maybe he's gone. I feel like he got fired.
Kirk Olvidati I thought was really bad with the middle
linebackers. Now, Ryan Downard was our
safeties coach, and I thought hewas really bad.
He's still here, but he's not the only safeties coach.
He's just one of them. All right, So I'm fine with us

(01:23:52):
continuing to invest in his future while not relying on him
to carry the whole thing. Drayton, Don't talk about MO
Drayton. That was the worst hire ever.
That was awful. Who else?
I can't. Remember who our cornerbacks
coach was back then? So we had Jerry Gray and he was
gone. I don't remember anyways.

(01:24:16):
So other offensive. Ben Ben Sermons Is he still here
for our running backs coach? Ben Sermons I like him.
I think he's done a a decent job.
I I don't know of any. I don't have any reason to be
annoyed with the job he's done. I think we've pretty

(01:24:36):
consistently had quality runningbacks to over this.
Said MO Drayton's name should belegally changed to Les Drayton.
Look, you know, no hate to MO asa person, right?
But he was woefully unqualified for that job.
Like and like from day one, I was never ever mad at MO
Drayton. I was mad at Lafleur for hiring

(01:24:58):
a clearly unqualified guy to go do a very important job because
Lafleur clearly did not value that job.
It was not important to him. All right.
He, like Shawn Menego, was not qualified to coach special
teams, did a poor job of it, butgot to keep his job for a couple

(01:25:20):
years. Finally, it's so bad.
It's like, look, we got to get Shawn out of here, but there's
another guy in the building who has some interest in special
teams. So sure, buddy MO, you can be
the special teams coach and like, you know, we brought in
Masaccia after that. By all reports, we paid a pretty
penny for him and it's just beenset it and forget it in like a

(01:25:41):
bad way. Like Lafleur has just been like,
hey, I think special teams is fine and I don't really want to
think about it. So I'm not going to look at it.
I'm going to let Rich. Continue to do it.
Yeah. Well, there you go, Chris.

(01:26:02):
I know he dropped in, you know, a little later.
He's got some stuff, a couple things.
What's over? Under a number of games.
Lloyd finishes. I'll take three.
I'd be excited if he's stuff right here.
Just diabolical stuff. 3 is whatyou're saying.
Yeah, 3 1/2, three and a half. I'll.
I'll go, I'll go, I'll go the optimist route.

(01:26:24):
I'll say 6 1/2, which is still less than very optimistic there,
but I but I like ringing endorsement from you to say 6
1/2. I feel comfy at that.
The rigging endorsement, yes. And then this one Chris is
asking him concerned with goldensize.
Can he hold up or will he or will he be seldom banged up like

(01:26:47):
Reed or worse? If he can stay healthy, Sky is
the limit. Can he hold up?
Yeah. Missed the time with injuries.
I think thus far, I think you can hold up.
I, I think we've seen and I, I think, you know, there was a lot
of like, oh, like when Hunter weighed in, it was like, oh,
he's 6 foot 188. It's like, my goodness, can he

(01:27:09):
even hold up out there? I'm just, he's just laughing so
hard. Laughs in five 11183 Garrett
Wilson. Laughs in six foot 187 Crystal
lava. Laughs in five 11186 Lad
Mcconkey. A lot of small wide receiver
ones out there. Yeah, and and not to mention the
Devante Adams is not a big guy. Not to mention the wide receiver

(01:27:29):
twos, right? Jordan Addison 171, Josh Downs
170, Tank Dell 170 Devante Smith170.
By the way, still is, still is in that one 65170 range.
And I think a lot of teams wouldbe like, man, I wish we had him
as our one. So.
So we we're getting to that point where, again, yes, when

(01:27:51):
you have when you have Jeremiah Smith's, would you rather have
him? Yes, of course you would.
Of course. I think, I think your problem
with Jaden Reed is not his size.No, it's what he's doing.
He's creating some of these injuries with the way he plays.
You got to play smarter and protect yourself.
Yeah. Tyler Lockett, man, my guy is is

(01:28:14):
preserving career out there. Drop into the ground so much and
then what's what's the official size on Mr. Tyler Lockett 59182?
It's played quite a long time. That's that is smaller than me
and I'm not a big guy was pickeda decade ago.

(01:28:39):
So it is doable. Well, you can be smaller than me
and succeeded a very high level in the NFL at wide receiver.
Yeah, aren't you? No.
I'm not. Oh, are you really short?
No, I I would say about in the middle.
I'm 510. Are you taller or shorter than
me? I'm 510 7/8.

(01:29:01):
OK, I had to make sure. I had to make sure to ask.
When I got measured. Last to like Hey I, I.
I I have to find the 8th of an inch in the measurements of the
combine. Please do that for me.
Thanks so much. So had to do it to them.
I'm I've had, I've had doctors give me different heights over

(01:29:23):
the years. And there was, there was, there
was one time we had a doctor tell me I was 5/8 and 3/4 and I
was so mad. And so then I, I went and had
somebody else measure me a different doctor measure me.
And they were like, yeah, no, you're, you're a little bit over
five, 10510 and a quarter. I'm like thank you.
I never went back to this. I was offended that the guy told
me I. Was 5/8 and 3/4.
I'm like, you know what, man? How dare you.

(01:29:45):
That's not nice. That's a pretty good Yeah.
Yeah. Oh my gosh, Chris.
Says Why can't we do super chats?
We don't have enough subscribersyet.
Give it share this channel with your friends when we get more
subscribers, you can do super chat.
Jake, just put the Venmo up fromthere.

(01:30:05):
Yeah, please do it. Please do a Venmo.
Let me let me pull up my Venmo. We'll do a 3 minute.
You said a Venmo. Well, I'll do a three raw mock
draft for the Packers in 2026 right now.
Dude, he will. He he's not even joking.
Watch me. I will.
Hey, if you if you Venmo me, I will.
He'll make rank NFL. Logos for you there.

(01:30:26):
You go, I'll put him. In tears.
And I will be very objective. I'm going to.
I'm going to say something. About the Packers logo.
It's going to it's going to shock you.
So I'm going to bring the Mark Murphy minute and put my
question in there since we didn't start with that.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I do have one, but I'm going to be honest.

(01:30:49):
All right, want to say a bit. I I don't like to call out
Missus Leahy, but she she dropped the.
Ball this week. She promised to do our Fantastic
Four review and, you know, it was a little underwhelming.
And so I I maybe a little bit, oh, petty of me, I have not.

(01:31:10):
Done her. Mark Murphy.
Minute yet I I'm. I'm going to do it.
I've been planning to do it, butI didn't lead off with it
because I was just like, you know, I feel like it was a
little bit of let down that we didn't get the full like her
coming on the pod video. Feed and everything.
To review Fantastic Four, I I just I, you know, I was, I felt.
Abandoned. Right.

(01:31:32):
Fortunately, she actually came. You know, we went and.
She she came to the actual movie.
And that you know that that saysmore 'cause she was there with.
Me for the whole 2. Two hours and we had a really
good time. It's actually, it's actually our
first date night out in a minutebecause our our baby right now
is such a handful that it's kindof hard has been hard to find a

(01:31:52):
a babysitter for him 'cause he's, you know, right about that
6-7 month age mark where he kindof.
Only. Ever wants his mom and so it's
hard to pass. Him off to a.
Grandma or something. So we finally gotten to the
point where Grandma could take him and we were like, we're
getting out of the house, we're going to go watch Fantastic Four
and it was great nice there. You go tool for this saying we

(01:32:18):
could do a 1976 mock draft. Can you find a generator like
we're a simulator that I mean. Do that I can find a.
Simulator that goes back decently far in 1976.
It's not going to go back that far because here's The thing is
like, let me see if I if we wereto like manually.
Populate. It.
And go back to 20, I can go backto 2016.

(01:32:43):
Could we do that? We'd have to make.
A decision about taking Kenny Clark in the first round?
We would. But we can starting in 2016, we
can do any mock draft over againif you want us to do that for
fun. My my question for Mark, what's
the price for 20/16/2016 mock draft?
55 dollars, 5 for you and five for me. 5 and you can No 5.

(01:33:06):
And you can pick the year. Starting in 2016 and we will
redo it for fun so I get $2.50 for participating in the 2016.
Yeah. Let's go with that.
That's not going to that's not going to go very far toward my
PFFS subscription so that I can.But maybe, maybe they'll give
10. I need my Monday morning stats.
I need my Monday morning snap counts where I can.

(01:33:28):
Maybe I'll be 10 and we can do two of them.
You know, I need to know where Keyshawn Nixon lined up and how
many snaps he played Monday morning with my coffee or my
football season just doesn't feel right.
I would like to do 2020 and not Drafti Higgins.
Can we do that? Yeah, for sure is.
Love not available we I've got the solution obviously, but you

(01:33:52):
know that'll be that would be interesting to see what happens
so we should do this but we should we should have the rule
that so oh how do we do this 'cause?
We want. That's the problem.
We want the other teams. We want them to take the guys
that actually. Took.
You can select and make trades unless we select all.

(01:34:12):
So we do make the trades, but dowe want to?
Do we can do it? It would have to be.
A big don't know for me to want to.
Do A7 round 32 team. It's actually going through
hitting hours. I can't do that tonight.
I can't. I was on the road yesterday.
For like 11 hours I can't. Wait, wait, Chris, Chris is

(01:34:35):
bringing up mine. It's is that what it?
Yeah, you don't need the. Last four of the phone number.
So on Venmo it it just asked forthe last four.
So the the Venmo that's on screen is at.
Derailed football, and you don'thave to.
Put the last four in. It's they're just saying like,
hey, you should do this to make sure that it really is the
derailed football you're trying to donate to and it's mine if it

(01:34:59):
is if it is yours, I mean, you know that's yeah, derailed
football. Derailed football is a shared
Venmo that we both yes. So make sure it's that we split
that 5050 unless you in the chatsay like, hey, this is only for
only for Jake or for this is forJ JS redacted energy.
Yeah, there Dirchell has sponsored a couple of redacted

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energies. Can I, can I really quick 'cause
I'm I think we're about to do a mock draft of of a different
year in the past, which is. Funny because our.
Plan on this pod was for us to watch Jordan.
Love's. Throws in the preseason game and
we're clearly not doing that We're clearly doing that

(01:35:44):
clearly. So I I want everybody in the
chat to. Answer this as well.
Is someone asked? We just got some doughnuts.
Oh, good. Someone, someone asked this on
Twitter the other day and I thought it was really
interesting. If you could duplicate one
player on the Packers roster, who would you duplicate right
now and why? Oh, oh, I mean, there's, there's

(01:36:07):
only one player that you could do this for.
I think there are a couple, no? For certain reasons for.
Certain reasons. OK, if you're gonna say for
certain reasons, then there's two and the second.
One is Jordan Love and. It's so we well, that's not
screwed If he gets hurt, that's OK.
I like that. But then but then you have to
pay 2 Jordan loves, which you can't do.

(01:36:28):
I mean you can do it. No.
Here's lots of picks. Here's the answer.
It's. Obviously, Zach, Tom, and you
play him either at both tackle spots or at left tackle and
center. Or if, if you if, if Matt
Lafleur and everybody is like insist that he has to play right

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tackle and center, then whatever.
I'd rather have him play left tackle and center.
But whatever. Right tackle and center, Sure,
whatever. Yeah.
Or left tackle and right tackle.That's the only correct answer.
It's Zach. That's what I went with.
I I thought about some other ones.
I think it'd be cool to have twoDevante Wyatts.
Just think about all the disruption that there would be.
I think it would be a lot of fun.
Together. They might start.

(01:37:08):
Would it solve? Yeah.
Would it solve everything? Probably not.
I thought about two Edrin Coopers.
I think that would be unbelievably fun as well.
No, I'm missing you with that also, just 'cause we just 'cause
we don't know. Like Edrin Cooper is still like,
way more unproven than like ZachTom.

(01:37:30):
Zach Tom is so much more proven than Edrin Cooper.
Ready for my other one 'cause you're gonna even be more upset.
All right, talking about unproven, I would like 2.
Matthew Golden's also thank you so much because he actually
catches the ball. What about two Matt Orszacks?
No, get out of here. Can we get 2 Tucker crafts and
maybe one could play long snapper?

(01:37:53):
Is that the move? Is.
That the move you. Just have them both played tight
end and you can you can. You there's nothing stopping you
from having Tucker craft play long snapper and tight end
today. And the second tight end.
I like this. This is this Yeah, we can do 2
Tucker crafts and. Then like all.
Of a sudden, our wide receiver situation is fixed because we're

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in 12 personnel 100% of the time.
You never go out of 12 personnel.
I know that feels good. OK, so that's what I was
wondering. Professor Cakes welcome in this.
Evening. I knew somebody joined as soon
as I asked that. I was wondering who it was.
Professor Cakes welcome in, says2 Coopers.

(01:38:34):
I think that'd. Be a heck of a.
Fun time, no question. Love that, Drudy says. 2 Jordan
loves play Northwestern football.
We like that 2 Matt Lafleur, so we could have Matt Lafleur's OC
and then Matt. Lafleur.
Doing head coach stuff that's that's fun.

(01:38:54):
I like this. I like that.
That is interesting. One is the CEO and one's the
play designer. I like that.
It did say football player, but I I love people going outside
the box. Drew likes the 2 Cooper idea.
Again, that would be a lot of fun.
The pass rush, the blitzing, allthat stuff would be absolutely
unhinged. Jeff Hafley might.

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Yeah, Jeff Hafley might. 2 Jeff Hafleys might.
Be the play because we're about to lose Jeff.
Hafley to a head coaching job. This offseason, Professor Cake's
asking about two Watsons we're. Going to have Matthew Golden.
And Christian Watson we do 2 goldens could certainly help,

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but I. It's got to.
Be Zach, Tom. I, I that's where I.
Landed as well. I think you could play the
second Zach Tom at center if youmust, but I do like 2 Zack Toms
at the bookends just just just eating up the the the pass rush
all day long. What if you had 6?
Zack Toms and you could play oneof them at defensive tackle.
I might play one of them at longsnapper.

(01:39:59):
I might play honestly if you have, if you had six, Zack.
Toms you could play. Jordan Love at long snapper,
'cause it wouldn't you, could you?
You're scoring regardless of whether you have Taylor Elliott.
Or Sean Clifford out. There, Zack Toms, you're not
punting. You have a reserve Zach Tom.
If one Zach Tom goes there, JoshJacobs, I will say that's true.

(01:40:20):
You will have Zach Toms, you're never punting.
You will have to run a lot of zone in this five Zach Tom
offense. That's OK.
You're stopping it. There will not be a lot.
There will not be. A lot of vertical running which
does. Take a little bit away from what
Josh Jacobs can do, but my goodness, Wilson and then Lloyd.
Lloyd might not get hit. In outside zone with five Zach

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Toms, you know what I'm saying? You could just put Lloyd.
In his walking. Boot.
He'd probably be fine. He would so listen.
Love wouldn't have to worry about a leg injury, a thumb, all
that. Blah blah blah stuff so.
I have to address the Venmo. Yeah, Jake, it's go time.
So Chris sent us. Chris sent us 20 bucks with a

(01:41:05):
note that says domination and Drew sent us another 10.
Bucks, Oh my. God saying 2026 NFL Packers
draft OK, that's fine. We can do that all right?
Not the 2016 wouldn't be fun butI feel like.
I feel like for. 10 bucks we have to honor the 2026 according

(01:41:26):
to the scripture. We must honor the 20. 26 mock.
Drafts. As it is written.
Jake. How on my end it looks like my
video is really choppy. Is that happening?
Is my video super? Choppy it, it is a little I
think. So we probably should have you
screen share the market. That's totally fine.

(01:41:48):
It's already up. We're already here.
OK, Jake. I have to teach you how to
shrink your windows. It's we have to make this
narrower. Why?
Because it's tiny on the screen.It's all right.
We're fine. No, just everything.
You're. There's so much wasted.
Real. Estate you can see.
QBQB The Jets certainly need one.

(01:42:10):
The Saints definitely need a QB.That's tough things we don't
want. All right, we got 3 picks.
Wow, they really don't like us this year.
JJ 215385 OK, we are. We are picking 30.
Seconds No. Two Xavier's.

(01:42:31):
Two Xavier's could be fun. All right, there's other.
Players named Arch Manning, I will tell you there's not even
going to be an Arch Manning in this draft.
From what we're hearing at this point, it all depends on who is
who is number 1, who's the number one.
He's not going to. Cleveland folks.
Regret to inform. The folks.

(01:42:55):
Jake, I'm I'm doing the world a favor.
I'm. Showing you how to resize your
screen so. You may not.
This is my screen. OK, No, we can't.
We gotta no, no, we can't. We can't go through this watch,
watch and learn through it. So you you pull this down like
this, K, And then look, you justresize it so it's roughly like

(01:43:16):
this, this shape. So it's like this.
And then you just share that window, just the full window and
then it fills up all the real estate so people can actually.
Read and we don't have. Wasted space where we're just
looking at SpongeBob and back down so we aren't looking at
SpongeBob. Interesting.

(01:43:40):
I'll show you again so it's so. Right now is.
Your window like this, is it like?
Whoops, Is it like this right now where it's full screen?
No it's not. Nope.
And you still can't resize it. Correct.
So look what you got to do all. Right right now your window

(01:44:02):
your. Shaped like this hold.
On. Hold on.
Hold on. OK, when you say you're?
Sharing screen? Are you doing window or entire
screen? Well, right now I'm doing the
entire screen so you can see everything.
But you should be sharing window.
And then, yes. So your your window is shaped.

(01:44:22):
Your window right now is shaped like this.
And you want it to be shaped like this, like a box?
Yeah. You want it to be square.
Reshare, reshare your screen so we can see it again.
Hold on now. Hold on, I say.
I'm trying to get it. Shaped like a, this says.
Didn't they put a $22 million? Cap on nil recently, so it's.

(01:44:46):
The answer to any Oh, look at that, you.
Did it. That's the shape we need a.
Box. That's beautiful.
I love. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a
box. All right, very cool.
That's OK. Thank you.
Thank you. Why are there so many Q BS on
the board? All right, all right, let me see
here. Jeremiah Love goes 5th.
That's tough. Would have picked him.

(01:45:06):
OK, so Caleb Downs goes one overall that.
Doesn't. That's not going to happen.
And neither is this. He's not number one.
He's not going to the Browns, all right?
He's not going to the Browns, and he's probably not going #2
behind Caleb Downs. I don't even need to.
I don't even need to. Is he restart this once we have?
No, he went 16th. There's rats in Miami.

(01:45:28):
They don't pick. Offensive line, you want me?
To restart, I'll restart, Drew says.
JJ has been trying to get Jake to do this for like 2 years.
All right. I don't know if we were letting
Jake share his screen two years ago.
But I've been. Trying to get him to resize it
ever since we started letting him share his screen.
Oh, Malik Muhammad to the Texansat 20.
That's interesting. Dang, we had Malik Muhammad
available to us the last time. All right, Carson Beck.

(01:45:52):
I'm not letting you take Carson Beck.
All right, My thoughts. AJ Harris, Josh Moulton.
See, we're far enough out that there's at least.
Half the names on here I don't know.
So this is always fun for me. You know this.
Is nonsense. Can Miami stop doing this?
They're never going to do this. A bunch of liars.
AJ Harris intrigues me at corner.

(01:46:14):
OK, do you think that Jake Slaughter being.
A Florida player. Would resent going now to play
for a team called Miami. Maybe.
Very possible. Zapier, Scott.
Let me ask you this question, Jake.
If you got drafted in the NFL, are there any teams that you

(01:46:38):
would be sad to be drafted by? Yes.
And who are they? We could.
We could get fun with this. Bears.
Seahawks. Browns the factory of sadness.

(01:47:04):
There we go. Yeah, sorry.
I was trying to think of like. Teams who have been like decent.
I don't think I would want to goto either New York.
Team, to be honest. All right, I'm going to make a
pick. Here, so we can.
I'd rather go to The Jets or theGiants than The Jets, I'll say
that for sure. Yes, but I'd rather not go to
either. All right, I'm going to take AJ

(01:47:25):
Harris, Penn State for us. Let's start there.
We're going to go AJ Harris. Just let me.
Cook, let me cook, let me cook, let me oh Matteo Uyongole just
went. Do you think Matteo's going to
going to be a top 60 pick? Yes, if he has a Goodyear.

(01:47:51):
Yes, if if. It, I mean, he's barely 20, OK?
I was devastated when he went toMorgan.
I I really, I really liked him. I thought I'm picking yeah,
picking Dante Corleone here in the second dude, he's he's going
to the you know, he's going to go to the giants.
No, what's going to happen? No, Dante Corleone is one of the

(01:48:15):
giants. I will say doesn't want me to do
this. So I think it's fun.
Really. This just didn't PFF hates Hold
on Cincinnati. Stand by him, hopefully, it
says. I feel like Caleb Williams had
a. Mental breakdown when he saw his
name on the Bears Wrong because.Caleb Williams.

(01:48:37):
Oh, Jake just died. Caleb Williams openly said that
the only thing he cared about was being drafted number one
overall. He did not care which which team
he went to. His goal was number.
One, he's the anti manning essentially.
Welcome back. We missed you.

(01:48:59):
Yeah, it's. Did you unplug your router?
Is that what happened? No, I had task manager do some
stuff for fun. All right, let's try this again.
Tool that says Jake. Is Jesus and Jake was not here.

(01:49:20):
For the comment. So he doesn't know that he
doesn't get it. Chris says Cowboy Jerry.
Always pays top of market. Yeah, but you know he has to he
has to come on PFF, get the satisfaction out of calling you
names before he pays you top of market.

(01:49:43):
One pick closer. Dang it, Drew says.
I wouldn't want to go to Jacksonville with all their.
London Games you got something against?
London. I've actually never been to
London. I've.
Been I've I've been to Europe. Quite a few times, but I've not
been to. London.
All right, we're going to take AJ Harris.
Or we'll take Malik. Mohammed.

(01:50:04):
Tiny tiny guy. Nope.
How tall is? Wait, how tall is AJ Harris 6
What? We're going AJ Harris in the
1st. Oh, we could take.
We could take. Matteo, we could.
We could. Take Matteo and we get a 20 year
old. Defensive end pass.

(01:50:25):
Rusher could This is true. Or Goody would be all over that.
How about the six five guy that runs?
Like. At like 24 miles an hour.
Does that sound OK at 65235? Does that sound fun?
Just kidding. I'm a little bit.

(01:50:45):
I'm just kidding. He's so raw.
You can see where the cow marks.You can see the marks where they
were hitting. I would not as today.
August 12th, 2:00. 1025 I would not say no to Lenora Sellers.
Oh, in the second, not in the second round.

(01:51:05):
But it's not going to happen. He will not be available here.
We're going to fix the centre problem.
We're going. Logan Jones from Iowa.
We're going to fix the centre issue right now.
That's what we're doing right there.
See. That's what.
They didn't want me to do it. That's what they wanted me to.
Do Chris says please address defensive end.

(01:51:30):
And cornerback early. So we're still round three,
Round three, if you want to makeChris happy, we got to address
DE Arden Walker. How do you say the last name?
Gabe? Jakus.
Jakus. Jakus.
I know Patrick Peyton a lot of. People like the year before is.

(01:51:51):
Take a leap. When he was at.
FSU Klila Xander No, that's funny 225.
Very light. Edge.
Very light man Hilarious. Whoa, maybe have him play Edge
in. 340 Chris. Says he meant to say defensive

(01:52:13):
tackle, not defensive end. Glad you glad you got your your
comment in Fastenal. Please still be here.
Oh, no, no. OK, Could I?
Have done The thing is it oh, there's not there's.
Was there only two defensive tackles left?
In the third. Round yeah, this is the problem.

(01:52:33):
They don't have all of the people on here yet.
Come on, that's do better. That's the trouble now, Caleb
Tiernan. Look, there's sickos like us.
Who? Want to do mock drafts in
August. I know.
Get your oh Zechariah Branch 5 *1.

(01:52:54):
Not a terrible idea. Not a terrible idea.
Who shall I draft? I'm looking for familiar names.
I know Kyle, Lewis, Cage, Casey Play left tackle.
Dude, people are gonna be. Spelling his name wrong for
forever. Key on Saab is that key.

(01:53:15):
On Saab up there it is key on Saab, yeah, 23 no, not key on
Saab can mean Sadiq. A tight end who can move, who
can block 6 foot three tight end.
Oh. Franna Mendoza gotta do it.

(01:53:36):
He's still here. We'll do that every day, OK?
I'm down between two all right. Probably going to be.
Two guys I don't know. O2 at edge I.
Guess O'Neill and Jacus, and then I was thinking you're going
a little fast for me since I. Don't, I don't know these
players, Super. Well.

(01:53:58):
So sorry. So you said O'Neill and Jacus
are your two players and then I I would consider Capehart here
as well. Defensive tack.
You're going so fast. Defensive tackle.
Can I see his size again? Yes, it was it 65315.
Yeah, Class G graduate. 23 year old.

(01:54:22):
So he's going to be 24. Yes, before he plays his first.
NFL snap. Yep.
As was Marshawn Lloyd. As was Wyatt.
As was Wyatt also. Tool for this.
Says, Who are these people? I think you speak.
For for a lot of of viewers. We almost got Dominique Orange
to fall here. We almost.

(01:54:43):
Got Dominique orange to fall this far that would have been
clutch for us and corleo Dang itthese guys went right before we
picked that's so annoying I'm I'm vetoing capehart.
I'm out taking a 24 year old, all right, from Clemson of all
places. Eric O'Neill from Rutgers.
Edge rusher, 63255. That's a maybe a little bit

(01:55:04):
light for four. Three.
Yeah, a little bit. Who's the other guy?
Yakis. I'm in.
It's Yakis 63270. 5 Illinois. Illinois.
'S going to have a fantastic. Defense this year, give me
yakis. All right, I like that over
that, says is there anyone namedRandy Moss junior, Emmett Smith
junior, Tom Brady junior or Ray Lewis junior?

(01:55:27):
Jerry says the part of the fun of this is learning.
Names so you know who to watch. That is absolutely.
True yes, Jennings dunker if you're going to watch Logan
Jones because we picked. Logan Jones might as well could.
Watch the Iowa line with Jennings Dunker.
You're going so fast with these guys.
You know these players and I don't even know somebody.
So sorry. Katron Allen at 71, I think he's

(01:55:49):
he's going to be a little old, but I think he's going to be a
good NFL right back. Again, this is a sweet spot with
Corleone from Cincinnati and Dominique Orange.
But yeah, let's go Jakus tool for this has a different name
for him. How?
Dare you? Will the grade be good?
No. Who cares?
Don't care. Oh, you only need a. 3 rounder,

(01:56:11):
OK. Well, there's not enough players
in the draft. There aren't even, Yeah, there
aren't even enough to like, dude, we're in the top 0% of
Green Bay drafts. That's great.
Save that picture. And we we don't.
We don't need the whole. First round, but just just.
Ours first Packers Bach of the 2026 cycle, folks.
Yeah, post it and tag me in it and word it in a way so that we

(01:56:35):
can hold this up and look omniscient when I don't know,
Logan Jones is a is a Packer. So sorry.
I apologize greatly. Yes, they are not.
Household names. Yet but a nice little look see
at who might end up household names.
For. Green Bay, should they go

(01:56:56):
certain directions in the first?I mean, I'd be, you know, Jermod
McCoy from Tennessee is a good corner to watch.
If you're set the bat from Tennessee, set the over under.
On how many of these guys? Here are first rounders in
reality, and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll pick the over under
you. You said it.
And I'll 12 1/2 I'm gonna go. Oh man.

(01:57:19):
That's you put it in such a. Good spot.
You're welcome, buddy, As somebody who's done.
It's tough to. YouTube and react to my way too
early box on. YouTube I.
Have the numbers. I feel like the correct answer
is like. 12 or thirteens I'm I guess I'll go I.

(01:57:39):
Know it is. I guess I'll go.
Oh man, there's a lot of. Clemson guys in here.
I know there's a lot and the. Q BS Not even here, by the way.
Sellers, Sellers and I'll take the under.
OK Sellers and Mendoza not beingin here ruins this a little bit

(01:58:03):
or I would also lean under, but I would have Sellers and and
Mendoza in this first round. Save both of these images and
we'll revisit it. I can probably.
Save this next. Next March, yeah.
We will save it well, and I'm again on my channel here as
well. I'll be doing the way.

(01:58:23):
Too early mock, which will probably include not all these
names and some of my own selections next Monday on mine
on my YouTube just so we have the way too early mock set so we
can react to it during draft week on that Monday.
So I see 4 Penn State guys here on screen.
I'm not sure if there's anybody else up at the top that we're

(01:58:43):
missing. There is not just four.
OK, so but give me Drew. Aller and.
Deny Dennis Sutton to both fall out of the first round.
OK, I'm going to say Drew Aller is going to be.
A day three. Pick Deny.
Dennis Sutton. Probably.

(01:59:03):
Second or third round, I think that's about.
Right. I think if you were to, if you
were to ask me what's 2 Penn State guys are going to stay
here, I would pick Durant and Harris for sure.
I don't know. I actually don't know anything
about Zane Durant. I, I, I feel like I how, how
much do you play last year? Was he a starter for them?
Last year, he. I think I think they would be
considered a starter even thoughthey obviously have a lot of

(01:59:26):
guys in that rink. I watched I think 5 Penn State
games last year. Hang on, I'm.
Just going to go to their Big Board 20. 26 and just get a nice
little look. Nope, not safeties.
Man, why is he not in here all right?

(01:59:48):
Draft Guide. Profile all right. 658.
Defensive snaps. That's Yeah.
So I I should know the name. Shame on me.
Little. Smaller Guy 292.
He's a senior. He is.
How old is he, I. Don't know sometimes.
They don't have the ages in here.
I know a lot of. People are they usually?

(02:00:09):
Got Caleb Banks. From Florida, sorry it's going
too fast 66329 a lot of people are going to be in an orange and
Corleone I. I think these are two names
that. You should be watching a lot.
If you watch a lot of Big 12, have these on, watching these
guys, you know, again, Clemson'sgoing to be on a lot.

(02:00:30):
They're going to be really good.Capehart's going to be a part of
that as far as. Corners go.
Since I know we took one, let's just get that out of the way as
well. Jeremiah McCoy 6 foot 193.
He will definitely be in that inthat range.
Green Bay Avion Terrell might bea little light sitting at 180.

(02:00:53):
Same with Malik Mohammed might be a little light.
AJ Harris is 184 but I've heard talk about him being 190.
Someone mocked D'Angelo Ponce toGreen Bay.
In an early mock. And he's 170, so we had to
politely say that that's not going to happen.
Mansoor Delane is definitely somebody to look out for.

(02:01:14):
Virginia Tech to LSU, he's moving up that direction.
So get a lot of good looks this year, play a lot.
Against a. Lot of good talent.
He's going to be playing againstAntonio Williams, who is a, you
know, kind of one of the top five or six consensus receivers.
Week 1. LSU and Clemson going to be a

(02:01:35):
good game. So Delane will get tested there.
I think they play Alabama. That'll be a good one.
Ryan Williams and company Drew Oh Chris Asked who the best
corner in the draft is, I would tend to agree.
With this board. Here and say Germod McCoy, at
the moment he is coming off an ACL tear, but he had a
phenomenal season last year and that's just not the PFF grade.

(02:01:58):
I'm just pointing it out. 700 snaps.
So it wasn't like he tore his ACL early.
Lot of experience last year in the SEC.
After that I like Malik Muhammad.
I might say Dulane. I might say Dulane's next for me
based on what I remember from Dulane at Virginia Tech.

(02:02:18):
But Malik Muhammad's? Really.
Good. So I, I can't fault you there.
I I liked Malik Muhammad. He's like last year.
I liked Malik Muhammad more thanI like Jade Baron.
He is all over the you know, he's all over the place in terms
of like he's he is a nightmare at the catch point absolute.
Nightmare so well. He kind of to me the Muhammad

(02:02:41):
and Baron thing was a little bitlike Baron had all the flashy
plays because he was actually getting thrown at and nobody was
throwing him a leak. Yes, this is correct.
Targeted 12% of his. Coverage snaps.
Yeah, he plays the ball well forsure.
So I. Yeah, I, I.
I would think those three at themoment, I know a lot of people

(02:03:02):
like Terrell. I'd be more McCoy.
Mohammed's a good one and and I think Delane from LSU.
So AFM asks who's this? Year's Shudura.
Sanders I think the the I know who it is.
In what way is it like the quarterback fall really far is
Drew Aller? Yeah, it's right here.
We don't have to go very we don't have to go far.
I mean, the fact that PFF right here has them at 17, you see a

(02:03:24):
lot of people protecting the first round.
If your first pick in the draft,look at this, his performance in
the final game of the season wasrough. 36 You know what that.
Was you know what that. Was.
JJ, first time they played somebody in the playoff, so
first time they actually played A-Team, they played.
SMU and they played Boise State,Boise.
State. I mean, they played Ohio State

(02:03:45):
and he sucked. Literally.
The fighting Ashton Gentes. That was Boise State's entire
team. Now, Cage, Casey's good player.
I left tackle. But like, again, when they're
running the football, you know they can just overwhelm the
guards. I said I.
Would do this since. Green Bay is looking at center.

(02:04:06):
We talking about slaughter a lotI'm sure from Florida.
We talking about? Oh man.
I I'm not going to I'm not goingto do this.
I, I, I know what it is. I got to look it up again.
I forgot. You're not going to do what?
Try and pronounce his name. I I, I looked at it about let me
take my guess. Iapani Lulu it's a.

(02:04:27):
Ipani or Ayapani? I think it's Ipani, Ipani,
Lululu. It might be Lalulu Lulu.
Usually they have pronunciationshere.
So for this AT Ms. only option is arch.
Arch, but Arch is going to wait and see who's.
Got the number one pick of the draft.

(02:04:48):
Before he. Decides, OK, so Oregon's one of
those that don't put the oh, howdo you pronounce?
This so they're lame. I had to look it up.
Somewhere else, but we'll go with that.
Brailsford will be on the radar.But Logan Jones, I think, is the
guy. Right now he's he's the dude if

(02:05:10):
you're. Putting putting money on it.
People ask about defensive. End too 1 little one more little
taste. Here, edge defenders, it's
pronounced Yapani Lalolu, Lalolu, Yapani, Lalolu Yapani.

(02:05:32):
He's not a Packer, guys. I struggle to see the casual.
Packer fan trying to do that. They're probably just going to
ignore. Saying that Yapani.
Lalo. Ulu whoa, Yapani sounds like
Native American pronunciation. It does, but then Yapani sounds

(02:05:52):
it would be native on the islands.
So I could, I could buy that. There's gonna be a lot of.
Big. Edge rushers.
I mean, you just look up and down this list.
Reuben Bain at 275, Keldrick Fall 270.
I hate how Reuben Bain spells his name, or rather how his Mama
spelled his name. We could have, we could have, we

(02:06:13):
could have Bain, Gary and ReubenBain.
You know, Tyreke saps 274. Sutton will fall into that
category as well. Kamera's not tall, which might
be the knock for Green Bay with the measurables, but plenty big
enough. Wait, wait, yes.
Oh, he's the edge of defender. Yeah, so.

(02:06:34):
There will definitely be. And then Uyanga, lolay, if there
was ever. If there was ever a goody type
20. 65270 it'll be a first rounder with the ascension
capability. I agree, Cassius.
Howell is an. Amazing name.

(02:06:55):
It is a good name R Mason Thomas, who's anyway didn't we
have a tight end named Mason? Thomas in his last class.
What Mason Jordan, What was the mate?
The tight end. Named Mason, Moses Mason.
Mason Taylor. Mason Taylor from LSU.

(02:07:15):
Yes, indeed. Yep, so there you.
Go. There you go, a nice little.
Insight we we get other. Down we do one more.
Let's do one more. You want to do one more of this?
Are we doing it like a let's do,let's do another 26, another 20?
6 All right, bet yeah, let's. Board might fall a little bit

(02:07:37):
different. I'll do 4 just for you guys.
Yeah, All right. Maybe board falls differently.
Hey, Board. Do some different.
Things, yeah, we could have. Some real fun here.
Dylan Tiananmen, a lot of quarterbacks here.

(02:07:58):
OK, wow, let's see Derek Moore'smeasure measurables that that
we, you know, quote UN quote. Measurables.
Derek Moore guestables Where Michigan Derek Moore not.
The biggest 63? 256, it'll be 23.

(02:08:23):
Not the biggest, no. No.
So could do this. Could go Tyreke Sapp in the
first. A lot of old guys.
Here. Really.

(02:08:43):
Old guys, but. That's because the.
Juniors have. Not broken out yet, yeah.
We'll be all sophomores last year.
We could just do this you. Want to take him?
Well, that's what I was going tosay that.
This is where I want to take. Uyongole, I'll take him right
here. I ain't concerned.
That's what I want to do. I'll do it to him.
All right, let's do it. Uyongole, this is 4 rounds.

(02:09:08):
By the way. Let's do it.
Let's do Mansor Delaine. Yep.
Yeah, let's do Delaine. Come on, let me get a DTDT and a
center and then I like the way the those are the.
Absolute worst Pittsburgh. Get out of here bro.
Pittsburgh keeps taking our our guys.

(02:09:29):
Every single class. No, get out of here with the
linebackers. So we'll stick a linebacker.
Simply because he. Was there?
Can we see the defensive? Tackles we can.
There's only like 2 guys truly don't know what we're doing
here. No, this is the perfect class
for. Goody actually the a better.

(02:09:50):
Class for goody would be. Have a whole bunch of defensive
tackles so he can pass. On them, the second best would
be having no defensive. Tackles so he can take a guy you
never thought he would take 6-8 we're not doing.
Oh my gosh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I don't. Want to adjust?
The settings shall we. What's he playing for us?

(02:10:13):
Is he playing? Left tackles.
Can we can we get some guards onthe roster?
Please, we have so many tackles.Can we get a guard?
Can cage play guard for? US.
I'm fine with a tall. Guard.
Just don't want to guard with crazy long think.

(02:10:33):
We can do that. Arms Well also.
Hold on, who's here? Chris said that I'm.
Right, but I don't know what I'mright.
About this is the problem. Maybe he's saying I'm right
about Guti wanting to. Dip in the shallow.
Roster hurry up his groups. Here we go.

(02:10:55):
I don't. Know Ola, Ola Vega, bud, hold
on. Let's see.
Hola Eva Vega. There you go.
Ola Eva Vega. That's that's got to be.
But I'm actually. Struggling more with the last
name, is that a? Is that a?
No, that's not an. L It's an I Ola V Ola Viviga.

(02:11:17):
Ola Eva, Ola, Ola. Viviga I always the last.
Name is kicking my butt, I know.OK, so.
Chet, he says. Oliva, Vanya.
Oliva Vanya. Oh, that's sick.
We're doing that. Oliva, Vanya.

(02:11:39):
Joanna. Oliva Vanya Ohana.
I think we have. Oh, Joanna, feel like we have
said, oh, live Lavanya Yoanna. Yeah, I feel like we just have
to do that on principle. What is?
Lomo doing down. This far, it's got to be one of
these two guys then. I'd play him at guard.

(02:12:02):
It's live. Lavania, Joanna.
Lavania and Joanna. We got to.
Do the line thing. You want to double up?
I want. One of these two guys you can
let's let's look at look look atthe sizes again.
Show me Joanna 64330. Wow bake.

(02:12:28):
Here's the. Problem.
The Packers don't draft cards, they draft tackles and put the
play list. So they're taking Lomu as one.
Do Lomu I I'm going to go watch some Joanna.
Now what do we need? What in the world are?
Is the chat going on about this really?

(02:12:50):
One Drew says if Morgan or Belton plays guard.
And. Then Walker.
Leaves a left tackle could make sense.
Dipping in shallow waters. Well, if one of them's playing
it, then the other is playing tackle, no?
Drew says 4. Bold of you to think they're
both going to be playing. Drew says 4 out of five layers

(02:13:12):
of vowels. Should be illegal.
Yeah, what? If we take true center, since we
don't take arts, just take it well, how big?
How big was he? Let me see Josh Meyer's size.
Yeah, we play at. Kansas Goody's not taking a Big
12 guy. We just took Lomu.

(02:13:34):
That's true. But it's Utah.
It's not Kansas I. See, I see like we.
On this podcast, like Kansas, I doubt goody likes Kansas.
Luke Petit Bond. We could do it well.
He. There, let's Oh man, this is
tempting. Could just do it.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Let's see what we we we both want Olive Lavania.

(02:13:58):
Joanna and yeah, so too old for this is talking about.
Whoa, what? In the world, no tool for this.
Says Moana 2. I haven't seen it yet but I need
to. So his name is Olive Lavania
Moana. There you go.
And he is the main character in Moana 3.
Boom, let's. Go and Moana. 3 might be my

(02:14:19):
Moana, 3 gets AF grade from PFF I'll save.
This one too. Moana 3 gets.
AF grade. Tulfa says Hebrew doesn't even
have vowels. Oh, that's why you put the
Hebrew characters on. Screen at some point.
OK, I feel I'm nervous pinning this because I can't read Hebrew

(02:14:42):
so I don't know what I'm pinning.
Like what? I just I don't know what the
heck I just typed. OK.
All right. I'm trying to see what he
classic. That's funny.

(02:15:05):
Too old for this, wrote your suspicion was.
Confirmed. Wow all.
Right. Sweet.
That's funny. Lance Tadpole.
AFM says when. Did 2 old learn Hebrew?
Oh. My this is the four.
Loco man, he had to do yeah. It's.

(02:15:27):
This is the twist in Moana 3 is the four loco.
Oh, that's it. That's the.
That's the. Twist I feel like 4 loco.
Is making it into the into the title of this episode Probably a
four loco round 2026 Packers mock draft drafting 4 Lokos and

(02:15:49):
Moana. Three in a 20. 26 Mock Yes, yes,
there you go. Oh, live Avania.
Joanna, wait, what's going to? Be fun.
I wanna you know what's going tobe good?
We're going to have these, and Ithink this one, especially, JJ,
we're going to come back to thisand go, boy, how the heck did
they get this is an F right now and it's not even going to be

(02:16:10):
possible to get all these guys in the same mock by April.
Can you tweet? Can you tweet both of our two
drafts? Like just don't, don't do the
full first round. Just do the two drafts, the two
Packers ones. Yeah, tag me in it 'cause I want
credit, 'cause I helped. I helped more on the second one
than on the first one. The first one I was learning
some names and the second one I helped with the pronunciation

(02:16:32):
of. Moana, you.
Did. At least I know who Mateo
Youngle is. And I actually do know Lomo,
yeah. Lomo and Fano from.
Utah are two tackles that are going to be on a lot of.
Radars to start the. Season so they're going to be in
a lot of games where you might want to check them out if you
think if you. Think.

(02:16:52):
Seed's going, Elton's going and Green may need some
reinforcements, which I think they will need.
So this this is the type of draft that I'm totally.
In undoing. Right here.
Find another edge rusher, find acorner and just keep building up
the offensive line. Does it stink to not have a
defensive tackle on this? Yeah.
Absolutely. But there you go, that's what we

(02:17:14):
got. Do we still?
Want to do the Jordan Love throws?
Or we're at 2:00. 17 and we're we're I I.
Can't we? We don't have time for that.
That's that's that that would be.
Like a whole half. Episode right there.
Probably we'll save it for next week since there's not going to
be Jordan Love throws in this next pre season game or the one
after that. You see, was there anybody in

(02:17:36):
the in the preseason game that you actually thought was
encouraging besides Matthew Golden?
I I did have one. Other guy who?
I was pretty encouraged. By.
I think there were a couple. I think Stackhouse obviously
was. Interesting, I think Sorrell had
some. Some moments that we didn't talk
about Sorrell. Yeah, had some moments where I

(02:17:57):
was pleased. And again, was it against the
the top flight edge rushers of The Jets?
No, he didn't really get a lot of he didn't really get much
against Will McDonald seemed to be on Tom's side most of the
time. But I think Jordan Morgan did a
did a fine job out there. I think he leaves the chest a
little exposed too much at times.
But the base is good. The footwork's good.

(02:18:18):
Like I, I, I was like, OK, this is this is working for somebody
who I think at this at at last year I would have been like,
yeah, you have to play my guard.I don't know if he can hang a
tackle. And it's like this year, it's
like, well, now they're making this shift.
I would lean towards him being more of a tackle than a guard.
With with how? You know, potentially big,

(02:18:41):
forceful. And and vertical.
They want to be running the football like it makes maybe
more sense for him to be out there.
So I I was encouraged. Yeah, I thought.
Ketano, Oladapo. Out there playing single high
safety, Pat did a good job. He was hanging back, not getting

(02:19:04):
super involved in plays, but he,you know, staying in the right
spot, preventing big plays from happening.
And he played some smart football.
Number six for The Jets, I forget.
Who that is, why does he? We're number six was trying to
start crap with Oladapo all throughout the second quarter.

(02:19:27):
Late hits John Adam and like. Katan didn't even look at him.
I. Was I was so proud of him.
So, you know, shout out. That's Corley.
That's Corley. Second year playing some smart
football, I think. I think Katan has a good head on
his shoulders, as far as I've ever been able to tell.
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think I'dlike to get Katan to come onto

(02:19:49):
the show. I gosh.
I think he would. I want I, I would like he would
also. I don't know if we can get
golden, but we can get. He's doing stuff.
Well, that's true. We could get Rammage.
Maybe Rammage could get golden. We could, you know, get golden.

(02:20:09):
We could get golden by. The transitive property.
Be great, but yes Rammage comingout would be a lot of fun.
I'm sure just. Just as.
Especially 'cause. Now we're.
Like the the we're in the end game now as far as the offseason
goes essentially with pre season.
So I think he's obviously fired up for some ball be perfect

(02:20:33):
timing. I'm mad at ChatGPT right now
because. I was asking it to make a Moana
Three poster with Ed. Policy and it it was spent
forever generating it and then it said that it violates its
content policies. So I'm mad tool for that, says
Alien. Earth came out today and I chose
you guys over that. I am definitely watching the.

(02:20:53):
First episode of Alien Earth tonight.
Wow, just saying it's absolutelyhappening.
Oh, that's something we haven't talked about on this pod is
Alien. That's true.
That's true. You know the problem with that
though, is there's a couple of. Alien movies I haven't seen.
Like the alien versus Predator Ihaven't seen.
Oh. Yeah.

(02:21:13):
I'm trying to remember. There's there's another one that
I. Missed SO.
Let me resurrect. It yeah, I didn't see that one
so just. Looking at my whole list here.
Saw Aliens. Saw Aliens.
Saw Alien 3 Did not. See Resurrection did not.
See either of the alien. Versus Predator movies.

(02:21:34):
I did see Prometheus. It was awful.
I've seen it a couple times and I keep wanting it to be good.
It's just horrible. Covenant, I really like that
one. Got like awful reviews, but I
loved it. And then Romulus was great.
Of course. Romulus.
That's right, yeah. I want a sequel to Covenant.
And I don't think we're going toget that.

(02:21:56):
Alien tier list is that we're breaking out next time I also
have one. For you that I'll have to ask
you about once. We get off here because I, my
dad and I were going through it the other day, but it's a fun
tier list to think about. Can you hint at it for the chat?
So that they. Yeah, you know, we're derailed
football. You know, we, we've, we've

(02:22:17):
talked we talked a lot about thePackers helmets, you know, but
we haven't talked a lot about we, we talked about Illinois
helmets who's who's top dog in the college space as.
Far as helmets goes, oh for besthelmets.
Just something to think about, you know?
Yeah, it's a good one, 'cause I,I saw people ranking them and

(02:22:39):
there was like, you're 16 or 20 or 25.
It was a nice Yahoo did 2525, OK, 25 and they didn't include
the Buckeyes. So I, I just thought that was a
weird omission. Yahoo did.
That I saw. Yeah, who did?
The one I saw did not. It was it was like 20 ish.
And so Chris says Oregon as well.

(02:22:59):
I thought here's the thing. So Oregon obviously has quite a
few. This is exactly it.
Oregon has quite a few helmets got pick 11 and the one that
they went with was just green with the yellow O, which is like
not their best helmet. They have some good ones doing
the wings, the wings, the wings.That's the way to go.
Wings. Helmets, good.
Helmet Bama's good. Bama has a good helmet.

(02:23:24):
We'll have to think about that one, but.
We got two more pre season gamesso that'll be that'll be
exciting. I think AI.
Think that a Buckeye helmet, when it has, when it has a a
full, you know, at the end of the season, they got all the
leaves on the one side. That's a pretty elite look.
That's that's a scary look. JJ's wondering like why he put.

(02:23:45):
In. The private chat we should.
Wrap up and I. Knew I should have.
Brought this up on stream because I knew we were going to
keep going. I knew this was going to happen.
He's like, why don't you? Why don't you let me know what
it is? Why don't you let me know?
But yeah. I.
Do like the Buckeyes 1. It's a classic.
It's a classic. Now the best helmet in fancy

(02:24:10):
NFL. Oh sorry, I I I would throw a
hat in the ring for the Chargerswith the numbers on the.
Sides. Those are really good the.
The. I think that the Vikings.

(02:24:31):
Are like just a missed opportunity because I.
Think you could just you could do the horns so much cooler and
I think especially if it this has always been the problem with
them being purple. I just think.
There's a cooler way to do the the horns.
I think that person. I talked about on Instagram.
Redid the Vikings. That's an easy one to redo.

(02:24:55):
It's low hanging fruit. And it looks and I.
Like it? I don't know what this.
Means to all for this. Is this a Naked Gun quote?
I'm sorry, I'll say I've got to.Head out.
Goodnight guys. If you want to leave wink wink.
Oh, I. Are you just saying like?

(02:25:15):
We'll end the show when. You leave.
Is that what you're saying? I got what you're saying, Jules,
says Jules. Says we don't talk.
Enough about UConn football thatI'm sorry.
That is one of the many failingsof this podcast.
Northern teams will be back soon.
Though as you know. I'm excited for that.

(02:25:37):
The team is joining. Because I said if they.
Make the playoff. They're in SO.
That'll be that'll be fun. I'm proud of you for honoring
your word. That's that's one of those
things that is going to make or break.
This show. Is US honoring our many crazy
promises because we make a lot of them and it's it's a reason

(02:26:00):
why we have so. Many.
Running gags on the show yeah just wanted a picture of of the
man, the myth, the legend here because we're wrapping up so
just that it's Matthew golden yeah for sure for.
Sure, I do like because. All the fantasy guys are like.
Obviously, you know. Doing their reaction stuff right
now to pre season of like all right, who's getting reps with

(02:26:21):
the ones right, who's, you know,time shares with the running
backs, who's getting snaps, blah, blah, blah.
And I I just find it fun that they're continually moving
golden up up and up in a lot of the rankings fantasy feels like
a you healthy check. Can you catch the ball?
Yes, check Well, what else is there?

(02:26:43):
Oh, you. Know there's a surprise Ed
policy. That's what was there.
That's what there is. Thank you so much for hanging
out. Here we are.
Ski Dadalin. We could do this for.
Another hour easy. Yeah, we usually do.
But in the late, in the words ofthe late, great Mr. Ed policy.
Thank you so much. For watching.
We'll see you next time. Go, pack.

(02:27:04):
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