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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. The spirit ran low and then it
hit me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fans started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took. Now the line.
If I told you I could barely thought seen in a chance some
soccer team got no need for a Viking to borrow a chin.
I choose that the power of the frozen monsoon, the absent you

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crib it viral 9 But that's not my policy.
These words are my name. Go back, go, go back.
Go. Go back.

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Go. Go back.
Go, go, back, go, go. Go there and shout.
It's so loud. Go back, go.
I feel like fire. Go back.
Go. Go.
Back go. Go back, go yeah.

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Go back. Go back.
Go Yeah. Welcome back to Derailed.

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I am your host, JJ Leahy, here with Jake Schwick.
The one only. Draft robot, we're going to be
talking. Packers, we're going to be
talking College Football Playoffs, we're going to be
talking Oh yeah, that's right, drama, a lot of drama.
We don't have to talk College Football playoffs.
Jake, you just expressed some interest in talking about the

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new rumored playoff format. I guess for me to say in the
month of May we're talking College Football Playoffs sounds
a little anachronistic, but there there is, you know,
rumored reconjiggering restructuring again of the
College Football Playoff format.I have only one thing to say to

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that pack the the Buckeyes won the first ever four team College
Football Playoff and the first ever 12 team in College Football
Playoff, and they didn't win anyin between those.
So if changing the number of teams in the College Football
Playoffs is what's required to get the Pack the the Buckeyes A

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natty, I'm all for it. Let's do it every year.
You can just, you know, change the number every single year.
Do it was 17. 15 You know, everyyear we'll change it.
That's I liked the twelve team format.
I didn't feel like it was too small at all there.
There was not one team that was not included that should have

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been included. So I don't know.
Didn't have a problem with it. 12 has to me always felt right.
There was a while where I was really kind of on board the idea
of like 8 or 10, eight or ten I liked.
That would have been interesting.
I, I think the thing with 12 is that you're going to get some
undeserving teams in there everysingle year, but you are like,

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you're never going to have a team that's left out that you
think should have been in, you know, and that's been the
problem. I think more often than not back
during the BCS and during duringthe 14 playoff was there were a
lot of years when you're like, Idon't know man.
I kind of think the number 5 or number six team in the country

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should have been in got a chanceat least.
And I just don't think with the 12 team format, you don't think
you're ever going to be in a situation.
Where like man. You know, if it wasn't for that
one wonky loss, then, you know, team #13 I mean, there, there
probably is still going to be that, right?
I mean, Mississippi tried to kind of be like that a little
bit. And yes, if they didn't lose to

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Kentucky, would they have gottenin?
Yeah, probably. But don't lose to Kentucky.
Pretty simple, pretty simple. Illinois don't lose to
Minnesota. Sorry, like that's, that's how
that is. Now I hope you know, Illinois's
got a lot of expectations this year.
I know what that usually turns into in terms of how how it's

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how it's going to go down. But I've seen some way too early
top 20 fives JJ that are blowingmy mind a little bit.
Some of them have left Illinois off completely, which is, I
think, one choice. No.
Yeah, I've seen. But those have the SEC honks.
Those are Southern honks, and they certainly are not pretty
low. They had Illinois in the
honorable mention category, and Auburn was in there.

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So I think that should tell you all you need to know about who
is making these top 20 fives. Yeah.
Where's Vanderbilt? They got Vanderbilt in there
too, really quick. I know we're going to go into
the Packers, and I know the people are going to want us to
do that, and the people don't. I mean, talking about this,
however, yeah, well, let's get to Packers at some point, only
because our audience is going todemand it.
Can you put your top three together real quick?

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Oh, I'm going to sound so stupid.
I mean, obviously Penn State, yeah, they're probably going to
be Texas. I, I feel like maybe there's a
really obvious one for #3 that I'm not thinking, I don't think
there is. But this, this person put a
certain team at 2:00 that I was pretty surprised by.

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But so. So they had Texas and Penn State
in the in the top three. Three in Penn State at one.
Yeah. OK, So what do they have, like
A&M or something? No, I don't think it was that
egregious, but I don't, I don't get it.
I did see a top three college triple head coaches.

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No, it was like it was like the top five, all right.
And they had Kirby one and Marcus Freeman 2, which I didn't
like. It didn't make me mad, but I
thought it was pretty funny. So they had Jimbo Fisher and
Steve Sarkeesian 3 and four, andthen they had Ryan Day at 5.
And my, my only thing was like, listen, Ryan Day has beaten

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Marcus Freeman, Marcus Freeman 3and O, why is he right behind
Marcus Freeman? I'm not going to, I'm not going
to say anything about the rest of the list.
I just want to answer to that specific question.
You're not going to say anythingabout the rest of it.
I have something to say about the because the rest of it
speaks for itself. I just think that the, you know,
the three and O record is the thing that, you know, I can

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contribute in the conversation. So I.
I, I think for my #3II I might go, I mean a little attempted to
go Oregon, but I just don't knowthat they have quarterbacks.
You don't, you don't have to pick them.
Notre Dame is an option for #3 Ithink so as well.

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But they, you know, Butcher doesn't have a quarterback.
They don't, no. So I, you know, Bama doesn't
have a team right now as far as we know.
So I, I don't know, you know #3 for me.
So who was it? Who was it?
It was Bama, too. No.
What? Yeah, it was.
If Saban was still there, I would say yeah.

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I don't. I would be like, he'll figure it
out. But it's like, I don't think so.
This isn't we're not in the same.
This isn't the same era, folks. I like tool for this is top 3
Yukon Wakes Forest in New MexicoState.
The only problem I have is that he doesn't have Vandy in there.
You know, we need to Rep the AC,the SEC.
So where's Vandy? Come on and really quick tool

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for this. It starts the 23rd of August.
There are a few games on that Saturday, but the following week
we'll have everything. Now Kansas State and Iowa State
are playing Farmageddon in Dublin this year on that opening
weekend, which is pretty sick. That'll be fun.
But yeah, there there's the the mega matchups are are the
weekend after Labor Day weekend,and I believe there's a a a

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massive 1 in in Columbus that weekend, the 30th with Ohio
State hosting the Longhorns, which should be outstanding.
A perfect way to kick things off.
It'll be a fun game. It I think it's going to be at
noon, which is so dumb. It's so dumb.
Don't put that at noon. So stupid.

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Help them. The Big Noon stuff's got to
stop. By the way.
If you're just a Big 10 game or a Big 12 game, cool.
Don't put the best game at noon,but last year, like every single
one of Ohio State's big games was at noon.
Every one of them. And so annoying it was.
It was frustrating to the the majority of the Ohio State fan

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base and to a lot of the playersand the coaches because they
wanted night games, because theycould have recruits come to the
night games. And a lot of the time it's just
too hard for a recruit to make it to a a noon kickoff.
And so, you know, that was a a source of great frustration.
I know for a lot of those fans last year.
So well, they put, Oh my gosh, we're driving on the rabbit

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hole. We should really pivot to the
Packers. You know what, I I have a pivot
here. I want to I want to address the
first comment we had in the chathere.
OK, tool for this says, what didJJ or what did Jake say to JJ to
make him that mad? So, Jake, what did I say to make
you that mad or no, What what did you say to make me that mad?

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Yeah, I well, it's it's this that Matt Orsak actually does
not have any leverage on the Packers and that he's just good.
And and now I'm going to make the face, you idiot.
He's clearly terrible and he haspictures the Ed policy Brian
Kutikenst. I got to say the AII thought did

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a a bang up job on the the thumbnails the the last three
weeks been using a new tool thatlets me feed in photos of the
two of us. And so I think it's been really
nailing some of your facial expressions the last couple
weeks. I've been enjoying.
I think so I think so let's see here.

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So too old for this is not doinghis normal job of derailing us.
He's trying to get us on topic, trying to get us to talk about
the topic. I actually put into the title of
this episode where I said that we were going to talk about
Shawn Ryan. We're going to talk about the
offensive line, the drama with the offensive line in the wide

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receiver room. He says maybe Shawn Ryan would
have made it 2 Millie if he played long snapper instead of
guard. So obviously the story, you
know, this is something that that we knew at the end of the
season because, you know, peoplelike us who have absolutely no
lives were probably because of Ken Ingles paying attention to

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Shawn Ryan's snap counts and thefact that he was really close to
getting a guaranteed escalator for playing time that the NFL
and the players union had agreedupon for a a third round pick.
And he came in just two snaps away, not 2 snaps on the season,

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but two snaps so far in his NFL career of getting 2 million
extra dollars. So if he had played two snaps,
you know, in in just garbage time in his saw in his freshman
year, he would have made 2 million extra dollars this year.
To which I say, like, sure, kindof stinks they missed out on

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2,000,000 bucks, especially given the fact that he is almost
completely certainly losing his job this year.
Green Bay has clearly desperately been trying to find
an answer at right guard since Sean Ryan has not given them any
kind of confidence that he can be that.
And I would just say just quite the shame.

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Probably should have played better.
I mean, the there has been no good competition with him.
He was right guard that that jobhas been open for the taking
since. I mean, I mean, really like, you
know, in in 2019, Goody brought in Billy Turner to come play
right guard. And, you know, I didn't think he

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played particularly well at right guard.
You know, we it's been like the one spot on our offensive line
that we just have not had an answer for in the entire Mat
Lafleur era. We, you know, we just have not
had a right guard. And so, you know, certainly post
Billy Turner and post Lucas Patrick, you know, there just is

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not there. There's been no established
starter there. And Shawn Ryan, you know, he
played right tackle at UCLA, wasclearly supposed to be the guy
at right guard. And at times, you know, we've
seen the flashes like the the ability is not in question.
It's the consistency. I think that's what has made it
so frustrating this whole time, you know?

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Yeah, no, that's that's true. And and, and Sean Ryan was
actually somebody I it was one of my favorite selections of
that draft class. I think I got really excited
about that one of like, oh, wow,yeah, OK, this is the kind of
offensive line investment I was hoping they would, you know, do
at some point in this draft. And and not that I wasn't
excited about Wyatt, because I feel like Wyatt brought
something that that was was desperately needed as well.

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But Ryan was kind of like, OK, we're serious about this.
And then obviously, you know, itwent Tom and and Igbari and and
Walker. I think they really and Dobbs
and they really crushed day three, which I think is
something that that has, you know, proven to be true.
But yeah, it feels like he couldhave just it it, it seemed like
a perfect transition of like you're a bigger guy, You know,

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you've you've played right tackle a lot like just kicking
side and and and kicking side kicks, but very, very simply do
that. And and I and I thought it would
it would work really well. Now he has, I think leveled off
a little bit, a little bit more than than kind of that rookie
year where he got a little bit of a couple looks and it was
like, oh, this is not good at all.

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So we've seen a little bit of that.
But I mean, obviously it's time now, right?
Like it was kind of time last year.
Year 3 is usually where you wantto see it, but he has a chance
to potentially win it still if if, you know, he pulls
something, pulls a rabbit out ofthe hat or something, you know,
in in in training camp and and proves it.
But yeah, it just seems like, you know, especially with this

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with this shift that they've that they've currently, you
know, they're currently going through of like we want like to
get more vertical with this run game.
He should be an asset in that area with how big he is and how
physical he can play and just haven't gotten there to this

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point. So Oh, we got a question on the
topic. Oh shoot, I just lost it.
Where was it? Offensive guard rotation,
Where'd that go? Here it is from Drew.
We still still do a rotation at right guard.
I personally doubt it. I mean, I, I obviously the plan,

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you know, plan A is never to rotate per SE, but I also think
that until we have an established starter, it's hard
to argue with giving other guys looks, you know, and for sure,
OK. I think it was like, oh, I don't
know, eight months ago that you and I were talking about an

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upcoming Ohio State game and youwere saying I, I.
Figured who we're playing. Indiana or somebody and you were
like, Oh yeah, I'm definitely betting the Buckeyes to win this
one. And I said, yeah, well, they're
talking about rotating right guards for the whole game.
That's right. Yeah.
And your jaw dropped. And then we proceeded to watch
the Packers do the same thing. The stretch last year certainly

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did. And I got to be honest, like,
for both teams, it could have been worse.
The Buckeyes and Packers both, Ithink, got better overall
production out of right guard byrotating that spot than they
were previously getting. Having just one guy locking it
down. It always cracks me up how often
the Buckeyes and Packers happen to be doing the exact same

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thing. Frequently they have like the
exact same deficiencies on that roster, too.
Yeah, Miami did that last year as well.
Jalen Rivers, who is somebody we, I think talked about a
little bit at the very least on this show of like, oh, you know,
he between even within games, but like every other game, it

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was guard tackle, guard tackle, like back and forth, which which
is a little weirder to me than rotating the guy.
You have it. Oh yeah.
Guard. Just the the crazy things that
teams will do with their offensive lines never ceases to
amaze because offensive line play just isn't, you know, as as
good as we, you know, we'd hope it would be.

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And and then that spans, you know, I think every level really
like, I just feel like we're not, I don't think the technique
is there for a lot of these guysuntil kind of even the NFL like
like the special ones have the technique before.
But like so many even guys that are first round picks are just

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not coming in with, you know, the requisite, you know,
technique to be successful early.
So interesting question here from Drew.
Is Shawn Ryan a hit of a pick? I argue he is, says Drew.
We got a lot of decent protection and now it's time for
him to move on. But it's a fine third rounder.

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It's it's, it is an interesting question because, yeah, what do
you expect from you have rounders?
And I think you have to grade iton kind of multiple different
curves #1 just third round in general #2 Packers third round
picks. As far as Packers third round
picks go, he's the second best one we've had in the Gudekins

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era behind Nolentucker Craft. So you know, there's that behind
the goat, which again, you know,everybody's behind the goat.
So right. Oh, hey, we got Joseph W.
What up, homie? Stop by for a second.
We'll listen to replay a little later.
Thank you for the stream, Appreciate you, Joseph.
Wish you could hang out live, but you go have fun doing
whatever you're doing. Chris is in the chat.

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By the way. Spoiler Chris has agreed to come
back on the show in a couple weeks.
Here. Jake is going to be on hiatus.
Can't say where he's going because you know stalkers will
follow him, but Chris has graciously imagination a little
bit. Where is he still in it?
It'll be fun to have, he says. I wanted hold on a second.

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My door just opened. I'll be right back.
All right, I'll. I will continue with this one.
Chris saying I wanted big man Daniel Fallele from Minnesota
over Sean Ryan. Equally disappointment.
Equal disappointment despite having higher consensus.
Yeah, I know Baltimore was the team who tried, you know, you
know, could they get something out of him at guard, being a

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formal right tackle who was big,big like he was?
Boy, he is 676-8362, something like that, I think is where File
Le was. He might even be bigger than
360, honestly, might have been closer to 380, so.
But yeah, he was, he was interesting in the draft.
I remember there was a lot of talk about the size.

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Yeah, 6-8 and an eighth, 384. That's why I just found for File
Le Le. That's nuts. 35 and an eighth
inch arm length. That's that's crazy.
Thankfully, I, I, I'm not getting swatted.
I would have to tell the crazy neighbor to come.
Back here for time. Oh, OK, Drew says.

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I would have felt better if we were moving Jenkins to right
guard and had a center. I I don't even know that that
broke my brain and I broke my brain.
Why would that make you feel better?
Just because we'd never have a right guard?
I just don't think that Jenkins probably why like just because

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we right guard is have a right guard.
I think is yeah, I mean, it'd beI'd feel even better if Aaron
Banks could play right guard. And we knew that like if he if
we do, that would be nice. Gosh, then it'd be like, OK,
well, again, we have we have a plethora of left guards on this
roster. We'd never have any right
guards. It will be it will be a travesty
if it is. If, if, if Belton is indeed

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going to play tackle. Like they're not even
considering him a guard, which II would.
I think it's kind of wild, all things considered.
But like, if they don't at all, I don't know what we're doing.
I've no clue. I don't know what's going to
happen. It's going to be Ryan for
another year, I guess. How did they introduce Belton?

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There's a there's a offensive lineman.
I don't know. Looking for the image really
quick the the grades have been we're not great.
The website they have to leave atackle in year 3.
The list says tackle. The website

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saystacklepackers.com boy, let me tell you, their social media
says tackle. So which did they announce?
Shawn Ryan as a tackle, wasn't it John?
Yeah, they did. John Williams.
Wasn't he the one that they announced as a guard?
Yeah, they did. Yeah.

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Which which I found really interesting.
Yeah. I mean, you know, and I know we
did this just last week, but really quick, sorry to
interrupt. Schneidman tweeted this after
the class and he has Williams listed as a guard.
When he kind of listed the picksout, it does say Belton as O
line. Now.
I don't know if he was announcedas that.

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Well, the but the graphic that the Packers posted on Facebook
and on Twitter says tackle. OK, but I have to imagine that
that the graphic would say whatever Goodell was told to

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read. Yeah, which I mean, again, Green
Bay has kicked a lot of guys, announced his tackles inside
like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So if he's what's interesting is
when they announce a guy as a guard.
Yeah, that was that's what's interesting.
That was strange. And they did that with Elton
Jenkins. Did they they announced him as

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guard. They did.
They didn't announce him as old line.
OK, Nope. They announced him as guard.
So I, I did pull up our, you know, last week, you and I put
together like our sort of depth chart ish for right guard, which

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we, we, we could revisit this again because it is just really
interesting, you know, and the, and the question is like, given
your, if you could have your druthers, if you could just, you
know, pick and choose and do whatever, you know, what, what
is your preferred order at, at right guard?

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And I think Belton, Ryan Morgan is kind of where we're at.
Is it not in that order personally?
Yes, just based on what, you know, I think what Green Bay is,
is wanting to do as far as theirphilosophy.
Like to me, that's what that is what that tells me is, Oh yeah,

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we're going to, we're, we're getting vertical in the run
game. We want these bigger guys up
front. So why would it not be Belton,
then Ryan, then Morgan? Because Morgan I feel like is
not the bruising, you know, get after the vertical stuff.
So he he felt like more of the fit when it was a lot more zone
run, which again, inside zone. I think it's going to still be a

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major part of what Green Bay is doing.
So he can still function in thatregard.
But I just to me, it was like, OK, this shift would tell me
that that it makes sense why they were talking about Morgan
earlier in the offseason at lefttackle because he's got more of

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the, you know, protection squad fluid mover type of of of
profile for tackle like Tom, especially where it was like,
OK, yeah, let the fluid athletesdo their damage out there.
The in path protection against the better athletes, right?
The the the more explosive, the quicker, right?

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All these guys on the edge and you have these bigger dudes on
the interior just smoking one text and three text and then
just decleading linebackers at the second level that that
seemed to make more sense. But maybe not.
Maybe they're going to throw thecurveball and and Belton's going
to be, you know, a backup. Is is is is is rookie season.

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I don't know, again, we, we kindof talked about this where it
was like last week where it was like I could see a lot of
different outcomes of how the offensive line looks in 2026.
But to me, like if you're tryingto get best five out there,
picking picking guy in the second round, which is also what
we said last week, like picking guy in the second round, it

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feels like he's going to start. And right now, well, no, not
just not just a second rounder, a very old second rounder.
You're taking a 24 year old guy with a bajillion starts under
his belt, extremely experienced.Like at 24, you would think
pretty much expecting him to kind of already be at his peak.

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You know, when you draft a youngoffensive lineman and you say,
Hey, developmental, that hits somuch differently than 24 year
old, which if I'm not mistaken, I mean, Wyatt got a decent
amount of snaps even as, you know, a rookie when he was 24,

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right? It wasn't a ton, but he still
was on the field enough by end of season.
We're like, yeah, we got to get this guy in the field first
round pick. He's an older guy.
Like we we're not going to sit and do the red shirt thing.
So, and especially at a positionthat I feel like is is lacking
one, you know, one quality starter.

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Can they find it, like it, it itmakes sense.
And maybe John Williams is the guy who knows?
I, I they announced him as a card.
We'll see. You know how that materializes
and can't. But yeah, it is.
We are in a very kind of just strange situation with, with

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these guys and, and, and our preferenced order of like
looking at it is just is very interesting just because of
well, that that's what it is. And how we how we believe in the
talent and all of that, how thatmeshes into what our preference
is, is, is just really interesting.
I think to look at and like how high Belton is on a lot of these
lists very quickly as well. Like we see him as the back of

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right tackle right now. We do like very clearly like who
else you want to trot out there?I'm not, I'm not trotting
anybody else out there. Yeah, at right tackle.
I mean, you know, and I've, I'vemade my feelings very plain that
I, there's other places I would rather have Zach Tom because I
think it can be even better at right tackle.
But the problem is, you know, sofar we don't have replacements

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somebody else who can play righttackle.
We just straight up don't have one.
I mean, like, if if we were playing a game tomorrow and we,
you know, Zach Tom is unavailable, who's going to play
right tackle? I'm pretty much assuming that
the candidates to play to start in that game are Kadeem Telford,

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Elton Jenkins and Shawn Ryan, that those are the three guys in
any kind of contention to start at right tackle.
If if Zach Tom is unavailable tomorrow, you know, with no time
to prepare. Yeah.
Yeah, I we should because again,as we've talked about right, the
the, the whole flipping left tackle, the right tackle, it's

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not a guarantee. There's no like, Yep, this is a
guarantee he can flip over there.
Because they were talking about it with Joe Alt when he was
drafted last year, played left tackle at Notre Dame.
Are they going to be able who, who are they going to have to
kick to the right side? Are they going to have to kick
Slater over there who really hasnever done that either or, or or
are they just going to play Alt there and Alt seamless
transition, no problem. He's right tackle.

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Not everybody can do that. Botchyari has talked about that
like he could never do it. So it's it's a case by case
basis with a lot of these guys. And and sometimes we don't know
because we haven't sent these guys through drills.
We haven't been in the meetings,right?
We don't we're not being able toask these guys questions
necessarily. Like, hey, how do you feel about
kicking to the other side? Like does that, you know,
another great question that I think would be brought up in a

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lot of combinator views for someof these guys, right?
This seems like something that would would be good, but yeah,
that that it it it gets really interesting, especially as as I
know Drew has a question there about like, OK, if if this
person goes down, what are we doing?
Like if this person goes down, what are we doing?
Because I think that's really good like to to go through

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because kind of JJ, we were saying like, can you pin his
question by the way, I'm yeah, yeah, the chat, the chat is
frozen for me, so I can't see anything.
I've got it, yes. And by the way, if there's any
we talked about that, if we've had any interesting comments
recently, do pin them so I can. See them too.
Yeah, I will definitely. Hopefully my my feet unfreezes.

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Yeah. So yeah, if if Tom got hurt,
would you rather play belt in a right tackle or move Walker to
right tackle and put Morgan at left left tackle?
I mean, I like, do we want there?
There's a whole other question option in Jordan Morgan leave,
you know, leave Walker at left tackle and put Morgan at at

(31:31):
right tackle. Well, again, that brings up the
interesting, yeah, if Tom gets hurt, what are we doing here?
Because let's should we play thehypothetical of Belton playing
right guard and he is the starter right now.
Should we say that for any of these hypotheticals at this
point? Just like he's going to start,
we got to find a spot for him tostart in the the best fight.

(31:54):
Belton or Morgan Belton of like,OK, you've picked him high.
You, you he's 24. We kind of talked about like he
should be in a starting role. I don't think he has to start,
but obviously, but for this exercise, should we just say
he's the starting right guard just to see then how things
shift from there? Because if, if, if, if you're
putting him at one of the tacklespots when Tom goes down, then

(32:16):
obviously right guard is, is someone's feeling that I, I
would say that white guard is a little bit different than the
other four offensive line spots in that there is not an
entrenched starter. All right, Zach Tom clearly the
starter at right tackle. We know L Jenkins is currently
the starter at center. We know that Aaron Banks is
currently the starter at left guard.
Rashid Walker is the incumbent. He's the starter at left tackle.

(32:40):
And, you know, if Jordan Morgan or Anthony Belton or somebody
wants to play left tackle, they're going to have to pass
Rasheed Walker on the depth chart and at right guard.
I don't I don't know that the coaching staff is giving that
level of respect to anybody because they didn't have a
starter right guard last year. They had a rotation between the
two buffoons who, you know, couldn't manage to put together

(33:03):
an entire game of of consistent play.
So I would say, you know, like right now, like I would say that
the that there is not a starter at right guard.
It's it's blank. And he got, you know, probably
I, I would say they, they probably are going to let all
four of these guys compete for right guard.

(33:25):
I don't know who else might be in the mix there.
You know, we didn't really feel like there was anybody not to
say that Kadeem Telford or John Williams or somebody couldn't
be, you know, getting some looksthere occasionally.
But I we didn't feel that it wasa, a natural fit for any of
them, you know, and that and that these four guys probably

(33:50):
would be the front runners for that kind of competition,
Belton, Ryan Morgan and Donovan Jennings.
And do do you agree with me thatJordan Morgan is a better fit on
the right side of the of the line than the left or no?
I mean, you've, you've made your, I mean, feeling's clear
that he, he's a better fit on a,a different offensive line than

(34:10):
it was running a different scheme.
That's true, man. I mean, because I don't think
he's ever played right tackle, right?
Yeah, he's never played right tackle.
I would prefer he probably just be the back of it at left

(34:33):
tackle. Well, but but he has been
playing on the at right guard. He's been on the right side of
the line. So but again, you're, you're
right side of the line. It's been in a more constricted
area, right. When he's playing right guard
right there, there's been a little bit more constricted
area. How does he feel about the, the
more vertical, you know, the vertical sets and the 45° stuff

(34:54):
that he would have to do in the jump sets at right tackle, right
versus kind of again, kind of just upright and square and, and
being ready and, and staying on your feet at right guard where
you have less space to worry about.
Is he is he comfortable, you know, moving on the right side,
you know, with more range, I think is the question you have

(35:14):
to ask with Morgan. Well, what, what do you think
would be a bigger, you know, if he's been at right guard for
about the past year, what do youthink is the bigger stretch for
him to move from right guard to right tackle or left tackle?
What I think is the bigger stretch for him, yeah, I mean,

(35:36):
it's like obviously going back to left tackle is going back to
something he's done before. Yeah, I would still lean towards
that because he has still playedleft guard too.
He he did play left guard last year.
So he has done that. I would I again, I would trust
the 2300 some, you know, snaps before the league where he was

(35:57):
comfortable over there over the right side.
I'm not going to dismiss it all together though.
I I think it's a slight advantage because of all the
history over there. But as you said, he did play
what he played 120 snaps of right guard last year.
So he's getting that and and a few of the things over there.
Yeah. And practice on the right side
for sure. Yeah.
Did he what did he do in the preseason anything?

(36:18):
No, that's right. He was hurt.
That's right. We talked about that way back
when, the discipline in your voice.
Yeah, yeah. So like, yeah, the reps in
practice and all that, totally fine.
I, I would still lean that. But again, I think you're
bringing up the good point of like, he's gotten reps on the
right side. Like with how good the movement

(36:38):
skills are that I think we both agree on at the very least
regarding Morgan of like the baseline movement skills are
pretty good. Like could he hang out there?
I, I, I would think so. I would just probably be more
comfortable with him in a position that he's, you know,
taken thousands of thousands of reps at.
But again, I won't, I won't dismiss it all together.

(37:02):
We should, we should touch on the Elton Jenkins contracting
really quick because this is news for this week.
And then I I would like to talk a little bit about just just
like our our preference for, youknow, for battle scenarios
positions. But but as far as at the Elton

(37:22):
Jenkins thing. So, you know, there's a new
story. Drew says.
I remember the coach said they think Belton can play four of
the five positions. So basically everything but
center, right? Yeah, I would assume that's
yeah. I mean, your tackle body type is
not going to be any, you know, much of A success at center.
Elton Jenkins and Zach Tom are have succeeded at tackle despite

(37:47):
their size. And they are much closer to
center size than they are to tackle size, I would say.
Whereas Anthony Belton is a big boy, I guess.
Was Elton Jenkins 310 or was he slightly lower than that?
Is he listed lower than that? I don't know.
My my kind of exactly 310. OK, At least of the combine

(38:07):
coming into the draft, maybe he added, you know, 5:00-ish some
somewhere, somewhere in there. He's at close to 3:15.
I don't know what the the site says exactly, but yeah 'cause
Tom's like what three O 4 I think coming out.
So yeah, a little bit a little bit lighter.
That's just to me like not a guard weight at all, which is
why like yeah, I think for Tom to me at least, you know, both

(38:32):
tackle spots in centre feel likethe spot for him and he's been
able to do, you know, obviously excellent work at right tackle
for a long time. But yeah, Jenkins at 3:10, I
think is still would, would that's still, I think to me
comfortable enough tackle weightwhere, you know, he has the mass
to to handle, you know, a lot ofwhat goes on out there.

(38:54):
So, yeah. So Jenkins wants a contract
adjustment. And I immediately saw people
lumping that news report in with, you know, the the Jayden
Reed stuff and. Oh, the Keyshawn Nixon stuff,

(39:17):
you know, and just talking aboutlike general like Packers
players unhappiness, blah, blah,blah.
And I just wanted to like, you know, toss a little bit of
credibility Elton's way. Like there is some major context
here that we should keep in mindof in 2022, you know, he signed
a a nice big contract with the Packers.

(39:37):
I think it was $68 million for four years, something like that.
And there were a lot of incentives in there related to
playing time at tackle. And, you know, they they were in
a situation, you know, he had hehad been hurt, you know, with
the the ACL tear. And he's coming off that ACL

(39:59):
tear. He's been playing, you know,
left tackle at a Pro Bowl level,you know, prior to his injury.
And how is he going to handle returning from injury?
And they ended up. Decided that they really needed
to put him inside just due to the fact that he was still
recovering. And so, you know, they give him
this hybrid contract where, hey,we're paying you like a guard.

(40:22):
And if you're playing at tackle,there are these performance
escalators, blah, blah, blah that are going to kick in.
You're going to get extra money.Nothing about playing center.
So first of all, his guaranteed money is all gone, which is
going to be very important for aguy who's being asked to do a
very important job. And then also just the fact

(40:47):
that, hey, sure, I'm willing to make this move because you guys
think it's what's best for the team.
It's certainly not what's best for my pocketbook.
And I would like to play tackle and I'd like to get paid as a
tackle. And so I signed this contract
with you that would allow me theopportunity to do that and by

(41:08):
pushing me inside to centre, youare taking away that option from
me. I can't.
Move. From centre to tackle, you guys
need me full time as a centre and you don't have any kind of
escalators in my contract For meplaying centre.
I think it's completely fair. Like, listen, if your job
description is changing, I thinkit's totally fair to ask for,

(41:30):
hey, can we make sure that my contract that I have to play on
matches what you're asking me todo?
I think that's more than fair. And then also just the, you
know, the fact that he wants, I'm sure he wants some, some get
more guaranteed money on there. He's I think he's 30 years old
right now. And the Packers typically don't
like paying guys who hit that, You know, year 30 mark looks

(41:53):
like he'll turn 30 the 26th of December this year.
OK. So he's probably, I, I, I would
say his agent is going to be in a pretty big hurry to get a new
deal in place, maybe tack on like 2 extra years before the
regular season begins this year.And I think that's more than

(42:14):
fair. And I think the Packers will
come to terms on a deal that that Elton's camp thinks is
fair. Pretty good chance.
So there's going to be some negative storylines about like.
Oh man, we're spending so much money on Nelton Jenkins.
When that comes out and you justalways have to keep in mind like
where the salary cap is, all right.

(42:35):
What felt like a lot of money two years ago is not the same
amount of money today. So, and, and believe me, like
even for me, it's often hard to wrap my, my mind around, you
know, but you look at it like, what the heck, They paid Aaron
Banks, who has never done anything in his career and like
Elton Jenkins has to be making alot more than Aaron Banks.

(42:56):
So anyways, I just wanted to throw a little bit of
credibility all Elton's away. And then and tool also, I just
like again, I know that like we have been certainly conditioned
at the very least to be like very anti player.
You know you can, you don't haveto, you don't have to again, you

(43:18):
don't have to be pro player. I'm not saying you must.
I'm not making you conform. But we have certainly, you know,
in I think the media and how things have been kind of
directed, like we have very muchbeen fed like the the pro
organization, anti player stancefor so long.

(43:40):
And like especially in the college side of things where
they were doing it for free unless you know, you were
getting the SEC under the table stuff right for the most like.
Pac-Man. And like again, the whole like
coaches can leave whenever they want to type of thing and
everybody's mad about the portaltype of thing.
Like it. We've been very pro coach, pro
owner, pro organization. And I think it's 100% fair as

(44:05):
what you said, JJ, if this is exactly what it is, like, I
can't get these escalators. Can I get escalators a different
way from like time played or ProBowl or all Pro or something
like that in the contract if it's not already there, if any
of those stipulations aren't there?
I think it's very, very fair to ask that.

(44:26):
And again, I know he signed the contract.
OK, I understand that. I understand he's, you know,
you, you have to play out the contract.
But I do think it's, it's extremely fair to ask again
about these certain escalator type of things where you know,
as you said, the conditions havechanged.
He has, he is playing a different position now than when

(44:49):
he signed there. Not to mention, again, it's a
small sample size. It's not the biggest, it's not
super small. I guess it's 500 snaps ish where
like if you look at the PFF grades, which aren't everything,
but if you look at them, his best blocking grade season
overall was when he played left tackle in 2021.

(45:11):
Those near 500 snaps. If he hadn't, if he hadn't torn
his ACL, he was going to win allpro that year.
He would he he probably would still be playing at an all pro
level right now at left. He would probably be the left
tackle and Green Bay would have spent a lot, a lot, a lot more.
Should I do the rant again? Should I do the right tackle
rant again? You certainly could.
But like he could very well be that right now.

(45:32):
And again, the the injury stuff and all that changes and I get
to the organization has to, you know, look into that with the
injury stuff of like, you know, Hey, we, you know, it's
something we got to look at contract wise.
There's, there's so much into this, right?
But I do think like we can afford to be a little bit pro
player in that regard. And again, that that's not

(45:55):
necessarily it, it, it's also, you know, case by case, right.
The Hendrickson thing, you know,we could probably do a whole 15
minutes on that where it's like if Hendrickson's ticked because,
you know, he he hasn't been presented with a new contract
yet. OK, that's what like you go show
that you're you're you're an allpro again.
But if the team is coming to youand saying like, no, we've got

(46:17):
this on the table. If you do it, if you have an, if
you have an all pro season and then he does it and then it's
not on the table anymore. That that's not, we're not doing
that. That's wrong, period.
OK, that that is wrong. Be transparent with each other,
right? So that that's the other, that's
the other part of the Hendrickson situation of like if
they're telling him like, hey, if you do this, we've got the

(46:38):
contract ready and then they don't have it and then they've
been radio silent and all that, That's the problem, right?
We're getting into the, you know, they Hendrickson said,
ownership said. And the same thing could go with
Jenkins probably will at some point right during the summer,
because we have nothing better to do than to talk about these
things because there's no camp or anything going on.

(47:00):
But I do think just before you, before you comment, before you
get on social media, before you lose your mind, just step back
and, and I what is, think about what is being asked.
Read everything, right? Don't read the headlines.
Do just just listen and read to every, everything that, that you
can to get the full kind of the,the full perspective on the

(47:24):
situation, Right. So and and again, this is the
thing, if you tick him off, he'sthe only center you have because
again, you can put Zach Tom there, but to me then you're
sacrificing, you know, the the wins over replacement at tackle,
no matter who tries to go out there and play it, Belton or

(47:47):
Morgan or otherwise. So and I certainly like an
unreasonable thing. He's not asking for 10 million
more dollars per year, right? He's not asking for that.
He's not saying, hey, as far as we know, yeah, but like if it's
just a simple like, OK, yeah, the escalation things like I
can't re seize, can it? Can I?
It doesn't it doesn't really seem unreasonable at all.

(48:08):
And and if people are if people are truly bad about him, asking
about that might be time. It's it's it's summer's coming.
Just get outside, beg you. I certainly need to get outside
much more on the the pro team side.
You know, I, I, I root for the logo on the helmet.
And like, you know, the, the Devonte Adams situation was one

(48:30):
where sure, I had absolutely 0 sympathy for Devonte Adams in
that, you know, he had hurt feelings because the initial
offer that they gave him, you know, wasn't where he wanted to
be. And he didn't like the timeline
because they were trying to figure out the Aaron Rodgers
contract situation. They didn't know how much they
could afford to, you know, give Devonte blah, blah, blah.

(48:52):
So his hurt feelings came into into the picture and I didn't
care about that at all. You know, I didn't have any
sympathy for Devante in there, you know, but like apples and
oranges with this Elton Jenkins situation of as far as we know,
there's, you know, absolutely nothing unreasonable from
Elton's camp at all. It's his job description changed

(49:16):
at a time that is very like uncertain slash fragile for him.
And just in terms of how his contract is currently set up, I
think the fact that they're asking him to make a significant
change that is going to benefit the team and not benefit him.
He needs to be compensated for it and and made whole.

(49:37):
And I think that he will. I did want to highlight a tool
for this. Oops.
Where'd it go? Here it is.
Elton Jenkinson doesn't need more money.
He got his money back. So the headlines, the TMZ
headlines about Elton Jenkins being involved in a nightclub
dispute or something, you know, we're so stupid and, and like

(49:58):
lacking any context at all. You know, it sounded like he got
drunk and, you know, did something regrettable or was
involved in something. And, you know, literally just he
paid a, you know, cover to get in to a club and then, you know,
got in there was nobody there. And so he wanted wanted his

(50:20):
money back because he was leaving and they wouldn't give
his money back. And so I think he called, I
think he called the cops becausethey wouldn't give his money
back or something like that. Anyways, point being, it was
like the complete nothing burgerand so too old for this.
Hilarious. Reference loved it.
Jake, can we talk about like, sowhen we put this together, I

(50:42):
think it was there was a healthydose of like what we expect.
Yeah, the projected depth chart is for sure.
But can we just like this secondone?
Can this be just like our druthers, like, hey, you know,
if we were figuring out the O line, what would our preference

(51:04):
be of like who could win every job?
And and like I, I kind of think we should play a little bit of
like, let's just say we had fiveZack tops, right, and not say,
well, we can't have him as our number one preference at this.
We'd certainly spot because a long time he can't be our number

(51:25):
one right tackle and left tacklebecause we only have one of
them. But you know, the point being
like who, who is the best guy for each of these five jobs and
just rank them all. What do you think about that?
OK, I like it. So, so for me, I, I think it
immediately gets interesting andand we had this was kind of

(51:46):
inspired by a question earlier. I think it was it was either.
True it. Was probably this because again,
he asked about like if guys are getting hurt, what's your
preference if Tom goes down? I think we can, we can kind of
put that into this when we, whenwe kind of go through it and,

(52:09):
and kind of keep one of these two sheets or one of these two
tables on the sheet, like as is,we can definitely get to that.
I, I think that's the one you'relooking for.
I think it probably is. So for me it gets kind of
immediately interesting at centre because just you know,

(52:31):
only taking centre into consideration and not like where
else would you rather these guysplay?
Who would you prefer just straight up Elton Jenkins as
centre or Zach Tom as centre? Just assume that you're sending
one guy to the bench and the other guys playing centre.

(52:54):
I actually just based on what we're running right now, I'm
going to say Elton. If it was like 2 years ago, I'd
probably say Tom, but based on what we're running at this
point, I think I'm going to leanElton actually for centre behind
those two guys for, for, for backup center.

(53:16):
Jacob Monk versus Shawn Ryan, I think is kind of an interesting
one because I think for both of these guys, there is a, a
similar situation of like there was a lot of, there were a lot
of resources giving up to go getthis guy and you'd like him to
contribute somewhere. And so I, I kind of feel equally

(53:39):
about who I'd rather be contributing, but who do you
think has a higher ceiling as a centre?
Monk or Ryan And you guys will chat too.
Like I definitely want your input on this as well.
Centre. So exact time is centre too.
They they moved up from 168 to 163 and gave up to 19 for Monk,

(54:05):
which I think is going to be 6th.
Giving up sixth is decently steep.
Yes. To move up five spots in the
5th. That's that's steep.
Yeah, yeah. I just, I just want to make sure
the listeners know it's not as steep as what the Lions did on
on Friday of the draft to go getIsaac Tesla.

(54:28):
But yes, yeah, usually, usually you move up in the 5th, you're
giving up like even more peanutsthan than 1/6.
As far as like ceiling goes, I would think Monk has the higher
ceiling of like athletically. I think there's a lot more there
to set the floor. And if like the technique and

(54:50):
the mental processing part of the game hits like I do think
this that ceiling is is higher than than Ryan's to me.
I don't think he can play. I don't I I think I would rather
play Ryan tomorrow if there's a game, simply because I think the
pass protection, it would be so much better because I just don't

(55:11):
think Monk has that great a grasp on it at the moment, at
least in the center position. Feels like he's obviously again,
it's it's still like working on because again, if you're if
you're making a transition to center, not having played it
right, Elton has played it, played it at Mississippi State.
We didn't, you know. Yeah, you played it last year.
I think for a game, if I'm not mistaken, that's a deal.

(55:34):
I think you're right. That's a different thing of like
you're moving to this and you haven't done it because now
you're not just getting out of your stance, right?
You're snapping the ball accurately when you're supposed
to write, setting protections and then also getting into your
stance and being ready for whatever the defensive line.
So yeah, it it's very different.And that's why I think it's

(55:55):
obviously a more valuable position than guard.
So, you know, Monk doing all this, it it's like, OK, you
know, we you know, this might take a little bit of time.
This isn't going to happen overnight.
So. Yeah.
But if you're asking tomorrow, it's Ryan.
If you ask who has the higher ceiling, it's Monk.

(56:16):
Drew says, I believe Zach Tom played some center in college as
well. Yeah.
I think he played over 1500 snaps at center and at left
tackle and then like almost no snaps anywhere else.
So I think that's right. Yeah.
So that was always, I don't evenremember if he had like, yeah,
any snaps at right tackle. And then on top of that, you got
the, you know, goofy, goofy rumor, you know, that the

(56:39):
Packers front office believes that he could be a Hall of Fame
centre, but also they're not going.
To play in the centre. Well, because he's he's too
valuable at another position. That's why All Pro tackle over
Hall of Fame centre, Unfortunately.
So, so I, I, I think obviously, you know, sorespot right guard,

(57:02):
this is, this is interesting. And like to, to me, I think the
top 2 are pretty clear and obvious.
Belton and then Ryan, I think you and I are both in agreement
on that. And what really where it gets
interesting is like #1 is there anybody else we want to throw
into the mix? And I'm kind of a no on that,
you know, unless maybe we think that John Williams could hack it

(57:25):
over there, but that that would be an interesting conversation
for sure. But Donovan Jennings versus
Jordan Morgan, I think is needs to be had, you know, yeah,
higher ceiling at right guard. Jordan Morgan or Donovan
Jennings probably, probably Morgan, but it's only a
probably. It's not a it's I, I mean, I, I,

(57:48):
it's Morgan. It's it's Morgan.
I just again, Morgan's movement skills set the floor technique
sets to the ceiling like he can reach, he can just he can reach
a stratosphere that I don't think Jennings can.
And I and I really like the Jennings UDFA signing when it
happened. We haven't, we just haven't seen

(58:09):
anything. And like, I think I do, I do
think maybe if you're looking atleft guard, it's it's a closer
battle than at right guard. I think right guard leans more
into Jordan's strengths. Yeah.

(58:32):
Well, Drudy is saying Morgan wasa first rounder for a reason.
He was. Do I think that reason was
desperation? Yeah, kinda a little bit.
But as it as it is again, that'sit's it's it's the mid 20s.

(58:54):
So that's that's going to happenagain.
Once, once. Well, there were a couple guys,
I think, but once like JJ would probably agree.
I would think once Verse was picked.
Yeah, Verse was kind of it was kind of like, OK, that's I mean,

(59:18):
there were there were a couple of DBS that went right before
the Packers. So the Lions had the pick right
before us and they took Terry and Arnold.
Terry and Arnold and I think he probably would have been the
Packers pick probably, which that looks like kind of a it's
it's year one, it's year 1 and Quinyon went one picks before

(59:39):
that. I think.
I think I think they would have taken Quinyon.
I think probably Green Bay picked 25th, right.
I believe believe their 25th. Yeah, Yeah.
They had to be the lowest, lowest record, worst record.
It was it was Eagles, Lions, Packers, and there were two DBS
in a row. It was the Jags weren't in
between. Eagles, Lions.

(59:59):
I didn't think so because the Eagles, the Eagles took Quinyon
and the Lions took who did the Jags take with Thomas?
Whatever their pick was Thomas. Hey, who?
Thomas? Brian Thomas.
Brian Thomas. It was.
Yeah, it was. Eagles, Jags, Lions, Packers.

(01:00:20):
Oh, because Brian Soda had to pick.
Minnesota had 23 and they moved up.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah, because. Jacksonville didn't have that
initially. So yeah, once because verse
goes, then Fatanu, then Chop, then Mitchell.
Well, and the Lions. There was a lot with Dallas.
The Lions traded with Dallas, Yes.

(01:00:40):
And then Dallas took Tyler Guyton.
Yeah. Tyler Guyton, who, you know, I'm
not sure what direction the Packers go if Jordan Morgan is
not there as well. You know, they they said that
they liked their board at that point, which, you know, the fact
that they didn't try and move up, you know, makes sense.

(01:01:05):
Yeah. Because if, if you only have one
guy left on your board and it's Tyrion Arnold, then you're not
sitting Pat and hoping he falls to you.
You're sitting Pat if there's multiple guys that you like.
And I believe that they did likeJordan Morgan, You know, like,
like when, when, when I was scouting Morgan, at no point did

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I ever think like, oh, Morgan, you know, is not going to excite
the Packers. I, I certainly believed that
Morgan was in contention for them for the first round.
It's just that I didn't like Jordan Morgan, but that has
nothing to do with anything. The Packers routinely take first
round picks who I didn't like. That's fine.
You know, Quay Walker. I certainly did not have

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anywhere close to a first round grade on and I was surprised
that they valued the position enough to take him in the first
round. But there was no question when
you're watching the guy like other than his age, nothing else
about him. Didn't say Packer.
So anyways, I'm not even sure why I'm ranting about this

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anymore. Because it's fun.
You can circle back to the draftanytime.
That's what's nice. You know, Dalton Reisner still
hasn't signed. That's interesting.
That's interesting. Let me see, Judy says in the
chat. In the chat, What are we talking
about? Daryl Azian says.
Rudy says in the chat. That's just how you say it

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usually when you go to the comments just because it's for
the audio listeners. I think people are like, I get
what he's saying, kind of tool of this saving.
Of course, I think Godzilla right guard.
The only question I have is, areGodzilla's arms too long a right
guard? I no, because I think he's a

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complete brick house. I don't even think it matters
how long the arms are legitimately.
But what was his shuttle occupying space?
What was his shuttle? His shuttle sucked.
His shuttle was horrendous. Yeah.
Because when he when he, well, Imean, he's 10th percentile in
shuttle. That's fine.
He's in the, he's in the, you know, 115th percentile in size

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because nobody else could touch that better than himself.
Complete brick wall. You can run off the right guard
anytime because there's just nobody's he's going to he he he
gets to the third level faster than anybody on the offensive
line shuttle and it explosion drills you know get thrown out

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the window because one step but he's at the safeties might be
past them. So you know at at right guard
tackle he does yeah, that's a good question.
Who's who turns better Godzilla or Luke Musgrave?

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It's a tight race. That's a tight race.
Chad. We got to get your thoughts.
I would I would even throw 1/3 name in there.
Too old for this. Wow, the streets are saying too
old for this. Is agility is underrated at
right tackle? Where would you put Rasheed

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Walker and Jordan Morgan in in in ranked with Anthony Belton?
How would you rank those three guys for right tackle?
Well, none have played it. If I'm true, says I'm surprised
you cut Glover. He cut himself, all right.

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He went and got a job at McDonald's mid practice just
because he wanted. I remember he just wanted to be
able to snack while he was. Working.
He was, he was very, he said. Well, when he got picked, he was
very much a oh, no. I, I remember watching him a
couple days prior of like games against, they played LSU.

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I said something else when he was ready.
I said a four letter word. When toy in toy 23 play against
like LSU in a couple of their schools, it was just like, Oh
yeah, the, the footwork's not there.
The technique's not there. Like he's big and that offers
you a little bit, but like, man,this is the he's, he was on the
Gordon Mileada level of projects.
Like we've had big Caleb Jones big, but like you could see the

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vision. Josh Neiman big you could see
the vision Glover like he's not even like John Ford level.
Yeah. I just can't believe they used
the draft pick that that was kind of the surprising part
about it. Not even in the seventh round.
They took him in the freaking sixth round.
Yeah. I that was just kind of

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surprising where it was just like, OK, but like, I think, I
think that they, who they, who they pass on.
Oh, don't, don't do it. You're just going to make me so
mad or you're going to make me mad is what you're going to do.
Don't even look at it. Oh, there is one.
I know it. Yeah, don't just don't.
No, I, I don't have to now I have to make sure I won't say it
out loud unless, well, you have to because the chat wants to.

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No, no, the chat wants to no more.
I'm sure they do. Let me just double check and
make sure that was the case because I know, I know this guy
got picked in the 6th. I just don't remember where.
Although, to be honest, you know, the tip jar is at $0.00.
So, you know, maybe O2O for this, says Glover.
And Pratt didn't work out too well.
You know, here's the thing with Pratt, I would have given him.

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I would have given him a lot more time.
I really don't understand why, you know, Sean Clifford
continues to get all these looksover and over and over again.
And then Michael Michael Pratt, like basically like, hey, you,
you throw 1 interception in a preseason.
Game and you're out of here. Like he has to have been just a
complete jerk that like sucked to or just not have have in in

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the room or something or just not be processing things very
well. Has to be like from from
clipboard to field. Like, I don't know, I thought he
was. I mean, he was, you know, I, I
didn't like, adore the quarterback class last year.
He ranked he he was ahead of of one quarterback who went in the

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first round. I'll just say.
That for me. I know which quarterback for
sure. There's no question who it was.
He plays in the division if thissays I always come here on
Tuesdays. These guys acknowledge good
players like Godzilla and Lad Mcconkey.

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I got it. You want it you want it go ahead
go ahead. The the the chat has has again
the chat has donated $0.00 tonight so so they don't deserve
to be spared from here in the name again.
PFF, not everything. He did have two games graded in
the 90s, which is tough, but thePackers did take Travis Glover

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over Christian Mahogany, which is a very, very tough scene,
especially for a guy who had themost Packers game of all time.
The two the two games that he had ridiculously good, he had
done good work in, and even he did good work actually at left
guard against Chicago. But the divisional playoff game

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against Washington, right guard,dominant performance that is
tough, could have solved the problem.
You know who else could have solved the problem?
Dominic Booney, ladies and gentlemen, we can we can riff on
that for years, Drew says. Do you guys realize you don't
like San Francisco Lyman on the roster?

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There's a lot of reasons. I don't like San Francisco.
Drew says. Do you guys realize you kept
thirteen offense Lyman on the roster?
That is actually not correct. So when we did the, this is up
here, we didn't do that. Yeah.
So this was, this was like for the summer, this was, yeah, this
was camp stuff. This is camp stuff.
This was the nine offensive lineman that we that we kept.

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So we had four tackles, 3 guards, and then we ended up
keeping 2 centers because we just didn't see how they move on
from Jacob Monk already. And then he has some guard
versatility. So this, I think this has been
the first time in a long time we've had two centers.
Chris says you don't throw, justthrow away perfectly good.

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Mojave. That sounds like an office
quote. Actually, it does.
But yeah, so as far as as far asthis, you know, the 13 names
that are, you know, shuffled around and duplicated and stuff,
this is just training camp stufffor the summer.
So listen, Jake, you still haven't answered my question.
Like rank, rank. These three guys, Jordan Morgan,

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Rasheed Walker and Anthony Belton as like sealing at tackle
ceiling slash what you think they could be in 2025, man, I
don't know how many, how many snaps of these cats played Hold

(01:10:16):
on. I I'm doing a bit of research
here. OK, zero.
That's sick 29, 29 Nobody knows what that means.
I don't know what. 29 is 11. OK, so Jordan Morgan, 0 snaps at

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right tackle. Anthony Belden 11 snaps at right
tackle. Rasheed Walker 29 snaps at right
tackle. That's all time.
And This is why they are unwilling to move Zach Tom off
of right tackle even though who knows who can play it?
Yeah, exactly. Who knows who even though there
there's at least two spots wherehe probably would be better than

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at right tackle. I, I, I would lean Drew's vote.
I would lean Belton. I think Belton, Morgan, Walker.
I like Belton, Walker, Morgan. Well, I don't know.

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I I think Morgan and Walker's a toss up.
Belton's, Belton's first. I think for me, to me, like
Rasheed Walker is kind of just apure left tackle and I'm just
not sure, especially in our scheme, I'm not sure he can play
right tackle. So for for that reason, although
I really like him as a left tackle, I think he's solidly the

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third option for me at right tackle of those three guys.
I got to look at like if, if they're like major differences
between what left and right tackle are being asked to do in
this offense because that's the only thing I don't know.

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But I think this is probably high ranked because it our right
technical options. It obviously used to be a major
difference of like left versus right tackle, but like now
obviously you, you want guys to be dominant pass protectors on
both sides. Yeah.

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And you obviously you could havesome differences.
But again, would love to know like how much that difference
has narrowed over the years. And then again, what Green Bay
does. But there's.
So that's what you'd have. You'd have Morgan, Belton
Walker. Yeah, I, I think so, You know,

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and, and, and maybe I'm letting a little bit of like my desire
for Belton to be the starter at right guard to bleed into that a
little bit, I suppose. And also just like a desperation
to find a home for Morgan. And I feel like right tackle is
a better fit for Morgan than anything else.
Is coach Lynn in the chat wants to know, could we put Belton at

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right tackle and move Zach Tom to left tackle?
I would love that. That would be my top preference
would be either Belton or Morganat right tackle and Zach Tom to
left tackle. That would be nice, You know,
which is not certainly not a dish to Rasheed Walker.
So, so I mean, there there there's a world I think where

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where my preference is Zach Tom to center, Elton Jenkins to left
guard, Aaron Banks to right guard, so that Rashid Walker and
said left tackle because I'm notsure Rashid can play anywhere
else besides left tackle. And then Jake Slaughter at
center in 2026. Yeah.
And then you're having Zach, Tom, just not in the roster.
Basically at that point. Oh, I thought you said Tom at

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Sorry, I said Thomas. I was.
Oh, OK. I was taught like 2026.
I think you could see what CoachLen has here of like Belton,
that right tackle Tom at left, if if Walker's indeed out and
you have Banks and Jenkins be your guys and Morgan's the
swing. And that's kind of how it sets

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up Banks and Jenkins as your guards.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Banks on the right, Yes, preferably.
Preferably, yes. You know what?
We, I I guess we need to put we need to put Banks into the
rotation here. Right, Guard?
We forgot to do that. Tom's Jenkins Slaughter Banks.

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Belton would be pretty sick. Be a good time.
Oh, Tom, was that Tom? Yeah.
OK, so let's see. So Tom Banks be a be a Jenkins.
Oh, who did you say it? Right Guard.
Oh, you said Jenkins at left guard.

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Yeah, I did. Tom Jenkins.
Slaughter Banks Belton. We'll quit talking about
Slaughter since he's. Well.
Let's talk about guys in the NFLat least.
All right, well then then I'm not then I'm not really.
Oh, this is perfect. Look, we got 2 Zach Toms
starting, which is problem solved. 2 Zach Tom is starting
and one Zach Tom is the backup center and we're good looks good

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to me. I don't I don't see any problems
with that Two Zach Toms now could have had the other one
potentially in this draft, but we didn't go get him.
Coach Lynn wants Morgan to rightguard, do we?
I don't like I don't revisit again for the 8th time.
I don't remember if coach Lynn was here when we talked about

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this last week or not. But like, does does Morgan do
enough for you in terms of getting vertical enough in the
run game, being able to push people around the way that I
think you you're going to get, at least in my opinion, from
Banks, Jenkins, Belton, If thoseare the three interior starters

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this year, Do you feel like Morgan can do enough of that?
Do you feel like he can be a bigenough displacer out there?
Because like, obviously, again, I inside zone, I don't think
it's going to be as much of a problem.
It's it's more of the power stuff, right?
Do we feel like, and, and again,there are certain blocks, you
know, there are certain trap blocks and stuff that I think

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he's going to be able to, to handle because he's, you know,
he's quick enough to do so. But like, obviously Green Bay's
very multiple right now. They they, they, they pretty
much almost mirrored what Josh Jacobs did in terms of his his,
in terms of his ratio of zone, zone and gap running in 23 with

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the Raiders that they did. And then Green Bay pretty much
mirrored that in 24 with how multiple they were with their
run scheme. But can Morgan do enough of the
gap stuff to cement his place atright guard would be my question
to you. I think because I again, I think
zone I I don't have any problem like like if, if, if, if Jordan

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Morgan were in San Francisco right now, I think we'd be
talking about a ton more becauseof like, OK, wide zone.
He's going to be doing a lot of the stuff he can do with the
movement skills. It's going to be like no problem
for him. Can he do some of the gap stuff
that Green Bay is continuing to shift towards?
This is really the question. Coach Lynn says zone.

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I think Morgan can. I would agree.
Not so sure. Exactly.
That's why I feel like we have him lower, at least I did.
That's that's my biggest reasoning.
It's like we're almost that can,yeah, just, I'm not sure, you
know, not sure we can, we can dothat.

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That's the that's the tough, that's the tough question you
have to ask. And that's that's a tough
question to be asking for a former first round pick from a
year ago where it's like, OK, we're we're trying to do
everything we can to find a spotfor you now.
It's just not ideal. But I I would like borderline be
unwilling to trade him to San Francisco because San Francisco.

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But like, what would be another team that you would Miami like
for Morgan's sake, you'd like tosee him go.
Miami would be a good one. I think Miami would be a decent
one to to like hold their secondround pick too.
Houston would be good. They've done Sloat did a lot of
outside zone stuff to help to help mix and really become, you

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know, their their workhorse lastyear.
That could make a lot of sense as well.
So, and again, Morgan was was Morgan.
What was he? He was light.
He was light with shorter arms, 311 for his height, like not

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necessarily a fit for tackle or guard, like a tweener type on
the offensive line, which we have a Packers because we have
you 65311. Jenkins is 6 four and a half 310
at least he was coming out of college.
And then Zach Tom was like what,three O 4 right.
And obviously Josh Myers was 65310 playing center.

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Yeah, 6, four and a six, four and a quarter three O 4 was Tom
coming out. What's crazy is that we don't
have we really unless we both agree that like Jordan Morgan is
our top pick for tackle 2 behindZach Tom ahead of Anthony
Belton. That's the only spot where he's

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even a #2 for us at any positionand it's and then his only other
one other spot where he's at least a #3 for us and our like
we we just have not been puttingtogether any any.
Projected starters where Sean Ryan or Jordan Morgan are a part
of the picture. Other than backups.
Yeah, just just getting yeah. Chris Ann tool for this.

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Oh, I love that trade Morgan forthe Pope.
Trade for Chicago for the Pope. I love it.
That's crazy. Well, have we have we beat
offensive line to death is sufficiently.
Just making sure there were any other questions we had.
We we had a some really good ones.
No Darryl's talking about like John Williams is built, is well

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built and strong, which again, yeah, that's it's still another
guy we kind of talked about briefly, like in that right
guard conversation of like maybethat's possible, Maybe that's
what they're looking for. But 20 for this is that the does
the expectation of versatility on the line that the coaching
staff seems to have hurt the line instead of letting the

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depth learn one position? And I know there was a follow up
question. I can't remember if it was too
old for this or somebody else piggybacking off of that.
But just talking about, you know, does does that versatility
hurt more from like a contract perspective, say of like, Hey,
you have to honor Elton's request for more money here

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because other guy otherwise future guys may refuse to move
around, which I, I kind of wouldthink probably not.
You know, maybe like Drew Rosenhaus might use that to his
advantage. But I'm, I'm not sure sure.
But the whole expectation of versatility thing, you know, I

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don't know for sure. I, I would kind of lean toward,
I think the fact that they like to shuffle it around so much
leads to a bit of a weaker offensive line performance
because you don't have just fiveguys playing, you know, anywhere
close to a whole season next to each other.

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And and so there are certainly times when you see breakdowns in
the communication that I think probably could be attributed to
that, especially more. So I would say just from the
fact that they are changing up so frequently that you just
frequently have those games where there's a new line up for
for that has not played togetherin that order.

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And so, you know, maybe other teams are only getting that like
once or twice a year where they have to like make a change and
get used to it. And the Packers are like, hey,
every like two or three weeks, you guys got to get used to
something new. So I don't know that it like
makes the players worse. It probably makes the players
better, but you are just exposing so you're exposing that
weakness to your opponents so much more frequently than other

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teams are. And I think that that is a
negative. Yeah.
I mean, I think there's I think the one concern I would I I love
the versatility thing because itit still allows you, right.
You're not as as necessarily rigid in terms of like, but we

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can't move anybody here to pick up the slack at all, right?
Like it, it is nice to not have any, to not have much rigidity
when you're like trying to put the best 5 together.
It's really nice having an ability with someone goes down
to be able to put a best five out there that you feel
comfortable in. I think the biggest concern is
continued cohesion as a unit throughout the season.

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That to me I think is the biggest knock right of of all of
this, right. It's hard to all be on the same
page. If you have 3 or 4 different,
you know, best five out there, you know, in a short span, that
certainly hurts it. But other than that, like being

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if, if Jordan Morgan throughout his rookie contract is able to
spot start at 2 spots, that's huge.
That's huge. And like if if Shawn Ryan had to
do the same thing, right of like, you know, they felt like
they needed to bring him back right this offseason.
Maybe he's, you know, potential center, potential guard backup

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like you, you. So so I think there is plenty of
value to that because again, it it when someone goes down on
certain teams where they're not as flexible and they're
extremely bridges like, well, our backup sucks, but we got to
throw them out there. That's all we got like there,
there is certainly a benefit to of, of having that with, with,
with this team. But yes, the cohesion and and

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the work as a unit, right, that you've built up with the certain
5. If you have to change it
multiple times, yeah, that'll that'll suffer a little bit for
sure. Tool for that says I do not like
seeing the line get shuffled midgame because one guy goes down.
Fill that one position and don'tmove everything around.

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I mean, sometimes you just have your hands tied though, All
right, if you like. If if you only have, you know,
one center and or or or, OK, youonly have two centers.
Right. And the other place, one of them
is starting somewhere else. Yeah.

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And we have frequently are in a a situation like that.
All right, you know, Josh Myers goes down.
You have to move Elton Jenkins because he's already a starter.
You got you have to move him to center.
Yeah, you have to or Zach Tom. But either way, they're both
starting. So it's a more important
position, especially, right, like if you if you're having to
move somebody there mid game shuffle, like I would prefer the

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shuffling. Sorry to interrupt JJ, but I I
would prefer the shuffling of. Like.
With Jenkins, like, hey, we needto shuffle him to this.
This position is more important than the one he's playing right
now. He's great at he's great at what
he's playing at. But like this position is
extremely important and we know he can do it instead of like,
hey, this rookie's coming in. We don't know, I don't know, Jim

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like type of thing, right? Like we don't want that.
There's there's multiple positions on our offensive line,
left tackle, left guard, where we have a bunch of options.
And so if you have to plug and play a guy at left tackle or
left guard, OK, you can probablysurvive anything on the right
side of the offensive line or atcenter.

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You're living in a world where you just you really have to have
your best five out there becausethe next man up at center or
right guard or right tackle is often, you know, not your 6th
best offensive lineman or your 7th.
It's often like your 11th or 12th.
All right. It's it's a guy who like is
almost surprising that he's available that, you know, that

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he's on the game day roster at all.
And you look at and you're like,oh man, you know, next guy up is
Kadeem Telford. How comfortable would we feel
about Kadeem Telford? Maybe we just move Elton over
there because, yeah, we can throw Jordan Morgan in a left
guard or something like that. Then we feel a lot better about

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that. So yeah, your preference.
I totally get it and it's completely valid.
But sometimes your hands are tied.
And I think with how thin our depth is on the right side of
the offensive line, largely because guys like Royce Newman
and Shawn Ryan haven't really panned out.

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Yeah. You know, it's not that they
haven't taken swings. They've taken a lot of swings at
the type of guys who who can be successful with it.
You know, Jordan Morgan, Royce Newman, Shawn Ryan, Caleb Jones,
Kadeem Telford, there's another big name I forget.
Well, Billy Turner. You know, they've had a bunch of
guys that they've invested a lotof time and and often some

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significant capital into. And then, you know, just more
often than not, they don't pan out on that right side of the
offensive line for the Packers with the same hit rate that they
do on the left side. You know, again, I think Jake
and I are both in agreement thatif you get down to left tackle 3
or 4 or left guard four or five,whatever, you know, that that is

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the first time that you start tofeel any level of discomfort.
You know, versus like at right guard, we're not even sure who
we want as our starter and a right tackle, once you get past
the the first guy, that's when you start, you know, getting
stressed out. So, and I did want to touch on
coach Len said. I like Shawn Ryan by the way.

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I thought he stepped up his big play or his play big time.
Yeah. I mean, I agree that the peaks
were certainly much higher. Every single year he's played,
you know, he his, his peaks haveimproved.
The problem is that those valleys just still exist.
Like he's so up and down, so inconsistent.

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And it's usually not within a game.
It's like game to game, you know, it's like it's, it's
almost like a, you know, on evenweeks he's great and on odd
weeks he's horrible. That's that's almost as as as
bad as it's been. Last year, his valleys were not

(01:29:34):
as frequent as they were the year before.
So he hasn't been training in the right direction.
Maybe this is the year that he puts it all together and he, you
know, just locked down that spot.
It could happen. It certainly could.
Wouldn't surprise anybody at all.
Yeah, it just hasn't been in my opinion, has not been as
consistent. Makes sense.

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Not as bad as Myers. Shawn Ryan is the unstable
compound, OK? He is when the conditions are
right inside of him. There are two Syracuses, right?
He is 100% the unstable compoundwhere it's like if, if the
conditions are OK, we don't haveany problems because he's been,
you know, he has a really good game there.
There are several games when youlook at the PFF grades only

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where like the pass blocking is really, really good.
And he had that in 23 as well, where it was like there was some
just really good games where he's doing what he needs to do
as a run blocker. He's he's taking care of
business. He's not dominating, but he's
taking care of business. And then he's just being a brick
wall and pass protection. But there are games where it
just, it's all over the place And and you, you know, maybe
you're introducing, maybe hydrogen's being introduced to

(01:30:39):
your compound and then you. Oh, no, we have, we have a
serious problem here or something like that.
Like he he who knew Jake was a chemistry nerd.
Who knew he very much is that. Yeah.
Well, are you speaking about yourself on the third person?
He said he very much is that or are you still talking about.
No. Well, that could, I guess that
could work for both things. That could work both ways.

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But like that, that's who Shawn Ryan is at this point.
And so like what? What?
I'd love to see everything come together.
Absolutely. As somebody who really liked the
Shawn Ryan pick, I, I would loveto see that.
I'd love to be he he would it would be awesome for him to kind
of even after Craft has kind of ended it to be like, no, no, I'm
I'm stomping on the on the graveof of the like the Packers can't

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draft in the third round. It it would be super awesome if
he did that, but he just he has to be more consistent.
I mean, Tucker Craft was alreadythe silver bullet that that put
that down. He was he slayed that boogeyman.
He is the curse breaker. Yeah, he took the selfie.
He he's he's that meme of the selfie on the grave of the third
round, like the he is, he is that meme.

(01:31:42):
Shawn Ryan would just be kind ofdancing on it after the selfie
was being taken right like that.So I, I do, I do agree with this
of like he fits. He fits what they're trying to
do, you know, in the direction they're going really well in

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terms of like, let's just push people around.
Let's get vertical. Like I think he fits that
nicely. And that's where like if he can
snatch the starting role, maybe we see it a little bit more.
Maybe we see the run blocking, you know, take a a big step
forward like that. That could happen.

(01:32:24):
And we've seen him be enough of a rocking passport to go.
Yeah, like other than like, well, unfortunately the playoff
game, I think playoff game and Ithink Detroit and Indy pass
blogging was good all season long, good to average to great,
I should say, other than those three games.
So if he becomes, you know, a a,a really good fit for this and

(01:32:48):
it kind of just takes off. JJ, we're sitting in a great
position offensive line wise, a great position even with what we
stand to potentially lose next offseason.
If like if Ryan's coming back because he done so well.
What are we doing here, Chris? So Chris made me Daryl saying

(01:33:10):
Sean Ryan's not afraid to get dirty either.
I wanted to hit this really quick.
Oh, said this really quick. You know, you did you did Daryl
dirty You you pinned the one where he had the typo instead
the one where he actually said the well said it what he meant
to say. Oh, listen, it was it was
closer. It was closer to the bottom.
So I I want to put this on thereas well.

(01:33:31):
Like when you because this is true.
Like if the offensive line is gelling, like, you know, when
you need to pick up stunts, you know, as you know who has what
assignment, if this guy's blitzing or not and all that.
And you also you have the chemistry for some of the combo
blocks. You work in wide zone.
You know, Reichard's getting an extension early on the guy, you
know, to his outside shoulder that that you can get around for

(01:33:52):
the reach block to seal the backside of the play, right.
You have the combo together, butyou know, you're passing it off
really nicely to Yep, OK, my guy, you know that I'm working
with now has that block. I can work the second level like
all of that when you have, you know, a ton of reps as a unit,
yes, 100% it, it looks way better.

(01:34:12):
And so it, it is nice having youknow that that cohesion when,
when you have a best five that that are out there and you know,
they've all had those reps. Yeah.
It's nice. We did have one important
question that we didn't hit on. They said Pringles flavors have

(01:34:33):
been crazy lately. Have you noticed Like beer
flavored brat flavored hot dog flavour.
It's crazy. This does make me think that
it's probably a time for our ourweekly off topic Google shopping
search. That's our I was already.
Yep, I'm already making that move.

(01:34:55):
Oh, OK, I see this. All right.
Pringles have announced 3 new flavors for 2025 Seven layer dip
loaded potato skins and yeah, the pillar Pringles and Miller
Lite beer can chicken. What on earth is that?

(01:35:17):
They have a Walmart exclusive. Which one is that?
That's probably the almost for sure that.
Yeah. And no light.
What the heck. Real beer, Bra.
OK, that one's probably beer. Chicken sounds good, really.
This sounds weird. We know the one on the left.

(01:35:38):
It's a safe. It's a safe, safe bet on the
left. Gosh, we might need to taste
these now that. But what's wrong with chicken?
Nothing but chicken and beer sounds weird.
Chicken and beer sounds weird together.
Yeah. Chat like you go easy on him,
don't roast him, you put you putbrats in beer.

(01:36:01):
Yeah. For a while like that's that's
that's not strange. Walmart to pick him up.
So what was? The third flavour, Oh little
like beer braised steak, Pringles.
That's that's a weird one. Onion, garlic, steak.

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Onion. Garlic, too.
OK. I don't know if I'm down for.
I'm not. I'm not sure.
I mean, I'd rather do the chicken.
I'd rather do the chicken. Now we're talking.
Our UK friends need beer better.This fish is better.
I would do a beer better than fish.
Pringles. That's what we need.
The UK folks need to get in on this too.

(01:36:42):
So we we desperately need some sponsors for two reasons. 1:00
We we like money and we want money, but also because there
are some brands we'd really liketo be tied to one of those being
redacted energy. And by the way, let me cover up
and other and other redacted energy that's like a little

(01:37:03):
purple, but you can't see. It's like purplish.
Yeah. Is that, is that the one that
that Brian Maffey told me I needed to get for this show?
No, no, no shit is not reveal just like 10% of the logo.
So I can see just like 10 percent, 10% of the logo.
Yeah. Oh, that's way too much.

(01:37:25):
Way too much. The logo.
The problem is you're a little postage stamp on my screen.
Hold on. I can hold on.
I can reveal that. What the heck is that?
I mean, I can guess what the word is, but I've never seen
that before. They don't have that where I
live. You know, you were talking
about. We got a we got to have these on

(01:37:47):
the show. The problem is, you know, and
this would be like our our firsttrue food challenge for a since
the olive oil shots, which was which was pretty good.
You know, it was what was it? Big, big olive oil or something
big O line, something like that Big O line anyways, olive oil,

(01:38:10):
you know, but but the whole problem is you don't live local
to me. You know, I'm, I'm turning 30
this summer and I was talking tomy wife about, you know, what,
what, what are the plans for, you know, big three O and she's
like, Hey, you going to invite Jake to your birthday party?
And I'm like, I mean, I'll, you know, this Great Lakes

(01:38:32):
separating us. I don't know that he's he's
going to come. But she said that, you know,
it's about time that we do a a live a live in person show.
That would be good tool for this.
Is that the ayahuasca energy? You know it, you know, the
picture on there, the picture onthat game was definitely
ayahuasca. It is not, but it's, you know,

(01:38:55):
Drew said given that none of us know that brand, they could
probably use some marketing. Yeah, man, I more all the more
reasons are energy drinks probably could, but they're
bowls. You probably know.
What types of bulls are you talking?
This is you want the full logo? Do we want it?
Do we want full logo? Just don't say it out loud and

(01:39:15):
don't reveal it very long because they're not paying us,
OK. Oh, that's not where I that's
not what I thought it was at all.
All right, cover it up. That's too much.
That's too much publicity. Too much airtime.
Too much airtime. I we'll, we'll have to find them
and reach out and ask them to sponsor our show.
OK, it's pretty good turning 30.You're 29, bro.

(01:39:35):
I thought you were my age. You're so young, JJ, I thought
you were younger than me. I thought you were like 25.
But but also you don't have any hair.
So no, I don't know. But yeah, 2 of this you're
invited to my birthday party because because I'm I'm pretty
sure Jake's not making the trick.
You're 30. Depends on when.

(01:39:56):
Depends on when. My birthday is July 10th.
You got two months to figure outif you.
If you are, if you care more about my birthday than you did
about the NFL drafting in Green Bay.
Is that a weekday? It's a Thursday.
Oh, whoa. We got a.
Don't know. I'm too old for this.

(01:40:17):
Yeah, I'm just trying to see what the note is.
Hold on the note. There's no note.
It's just blueberries day. National pick.
Blueberries Day. That's pretty sick, honestly.
It's also don't step on AB day. Make sure you don't do that.

(01:40:38):
That's crazy. Here I got I got to put this on
here. We're going to say in honor of
don't step on AB day. That's nuts.
Oops, wrong. But oh, OK, we.
Did that too. Old.

(01:41:00):
For this, don't do that, we did that step.
On AB day. You know, and people often
abbreviate birthday as b-day, soit works.
That's true. All right, there we go.
Too old for this Hall of Fame. MVP sent a no or this episode.

(01:41:20):
What did he say? He didn't say anything.
So you got to put your oh, the the note just said $6.00.
So it was a $6 dono and then thenote said $6.
Oh, OK, so I guess sure. I guess that's why I didn't, I
didn't register that it actuallywas That's, that's that's fair.

(01:41:41):
But I thought he was asking me to ask for a, a 2028 mock draft
2028. I don't even think you can do
that on any simulator on planet Earth right now.
Let's see 11 because because those top pick juniors haven't
played a snap, OK, and the like draftcountdown.com and mock out

(01:42:04):
they draft Katon has it all right.
Apparently, according to half those guys, half those guys
haven't played college football.You know they're going to have
some just highly work back. They're going to have Bryce
Underwood listed as the number one overall pick probably.
Here we go. Projected number one overall

(01:42:25):
pick. Bryce Underwood projected #2
overall pick. Tavian St.
Clair. That's hilarious.
And then Russell create Kelon Russell #3 Jay Rosiata, rosiata
#4 so 4 quarterbacks in a row projected because that would be
the that would be the first. There's no other players that
even know that you even know their names yet for the first

(01:42:49):
edge rusher off the board hasn'tplayed ball yet.
You know that is 1,000,000% true.
And he probably plays for Penn State probably.
Well, no, he doesn't play for Penn State yet.
He's going to transfer to Penn State.
He's either going to this fall or yeah, he's going to play
there this fall or by 2026 he's going to be in what's another

(01:43:11):
school that could be pumping outthat at rusher 1 Georgia,
Georgia, Georgia. No, like they.
They're. Like #1 #1 edge rusher?
Do you want the answer you don'tlike?
I mean, Trayvon Walker went to Georgia, He did.

(01:43:33):
He did. Aiden Hutchinson obviously went
to the team up north, but like, who else besides Aiden
Hutchinson? Tibbs from Oregon was high in
that one too. Yeah, Jermaine Johnson was
Florida State. Verse was Florida State.
Florida State might be a but Jermaine Johnson was barely,
even though I loved him, he was barely a first rounder.
He almost saw it on the first round.

(01:43:53):
He did almost put if I remember the consensus, he was like 20.
Well, see, he went I know he went 26th.
Yeah, but I feel like he was probably higher on the consensus
board than that. Drew says Penn State, team N
Ohio State, Georgia are all common.
I mean, less. Jermaine Johnson was 11.

(01:44:14):
It's like Chase Young and Nobodythough is the problem.
As far as first round edge rushers, you know, I mean, you
had the Boaster Brothers. But then I mean, I mean, in
recent years it's been Chase Young and nobody.
And Chase Young was 21/20/20 drafts.
So five years one, I guess. No first round edge rushers.
You count Parsons probably. If you count Parsons, it was

(01:44:34):
also pay from Michigan, Phillipsfrom Miami, Aziz Ozolare,
Georgia. He didn't go in the first, but
he was 23rd and consensus. Wait, who from Michigan?
Kwiti Pay in 21. I forgot he went in the first
round. I thought he was second round
here. He no he the Colts took him in
the first. I don't remember if it was

(01:44:55):
before or after Phillips trying to remember.
I think they were pretty close though together.
Kwiti Pay. I've always thought it was just
super interesting. Born in Guinea and a refugee of
the first Liberian Civil war, Immigrated to the.
US as a baby. Did we get another?
Don't know let's see non Venmo. Let me check cash app.

(01:45:17):
I did set up a cash app. OK for derail this past.
I don't know if Daryl was sayinghe sent the dollar fifty or not.
I think he was just joking that that maybe he was going to
because I want a yeah, there's there's nothing in in cash app
or Venmo other than too old for this old for this.

(01:45:38):
You actually want a 1986 mock draft?
That's off the top of my head. I can't think who was even in
that draft class. Oh OK so the Buffalo Bills,
that's not the Mandarin year is it?
No Buffalo Bills forfeited theirfirst round pick after selecting
Bernie Kosar in the 85 supplemental draft.

(01:45:59):
The 1st overall pick was Bo Jackson.
Tony Casillas, next. Jim Everett, QB from Purdue with
third Jon Hand. My goodness, I don't even
recognize the all pro names on this draft at all.

(01:46:20):
I'm going to be honest, there's some Hall of Fame names that I
don't recognize from this. Yeah, same.
I feel horrible about saying I didn't.
I I Oh man, when you look at what conference they're from Big
Eight. I forgot about that.
Syracuse was independent back then.
Oh, I was. I was misreading the the color

(01:46:42):
coding. There's only one Hall of Famer
in that class that was OK. Those were pro defensive end
Charles Haley from JMU. Where the heck did he go?
He was 49ers. I know, I know the team.
I wow. 96th. Wow.
Yeah, 96th. I was like scrolling from like,
where the heck was he drafted interms of the number?

(01:47:03):
OK, yeah. The pick started out as a Rams
pick, then went to Cleveland andthen finally the Niners ended up
Mark Rippen went 146 to Washington.
So Haley's probably coming off the board pretty quickly.
Bo Jackson would still probably be selected pretty high.
The Packers, as far as I can see, they did not have a first

(01:47:24):
round pick that year. So there were only 27 first
round picks that year. Yeah.
How many teams were in the league in that year?
It's just 28/8, right? So Green Bay traded their first
round pick to the Chargers, who then traded to the Vikings.
So the Packers made their first selection in the second round at

(01:47:48):
pick 41, they took running back Kenneth Davis out of TCU.
And then in the third round theytook quarterback Robbie Bosco.
BYU is not a good draft for them.
Linebacker Tim Harris, well, there you go.
Tim Harris fourth round, Chris was on that.

(01:48:08):
Hey, of course Chris knows. And then later in the fourth
round they took tackled Dan Knight out of San Diego State, a
bunch of really small schools, at least by today's standard.
You know, I don't I'm not super well versed on how big some of
these schools were in 1986, but by today's Sanders, most of
these are pretty small. Now you do have in the fifth

(01:48:30):
round they took Matt. I don't know how you say this
guy's name. Coart Court, Matt Court,
defensive tackle out of USC. I have never heard of him.
Looks like he ended up playing defensive end in the league.
Hold on, we need to come back here.
I've never heard of this place. 23rd overall.

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The Rams look at Mike Shad, offensive tackle from Queens,
which is in Canada. So they took him from the other
type of university Football League.
That's crazy first round pick. So this is like also two guys

(01:49:13):
from SMU rounded out the first round.
That's where SMU was good. Well, here, here's the thing.
You know, you didn't have the Canadian tariffs back in 1986,
so you could afford to take the guys more of a first round.
You didn't have to you didn't have to bring him in for a it's
true, it's true rookie mini camptry out in order to sign him.

(01:49:34):
Well, get this. The Rams doubled down on
offensive line taking Tom Newberry from Wisconsin lacrosse
in the second round. Interesting, interesting 90s or
interesting 86 draft from the from the LA Rams.
So this is where the Lions are getting their draft strategy
from. Well, there he 22 for this.

(01:49:58):
I hope, I hope that this was worth $6 to you.
Were we going to talk receiver tonight?
I think we have to. I think we have to.
Oh, we're on the draft right now.
Should we just should we just handle, handle this one from
Drew here while we're, you know,in the the content intermission

(01:50:19):
essentially of like the the realderailed section of this one
where Drew asks what positions do you think the Packers will
target in the 2026? Oh, I did see that.
Yeah. Let's do it now.
I think you know what that that for that I'm going to pull up
over the cap and just just look real quick at just at at free

(01:50:42):
agents for next year. Obviously, I I don't think it's
going to be, you know, hugely informative because a lot of the
free agents next year are getting resigned.
But yeah, can I throw It's stillgood places.
Pick will be well as a wrap up as I think we should player or a
position player. OK, we'll get insane, but I let

(01:51:06):
me let me go through the consensus board and find
somebody that's off the beaten track a little bit.
Oh, I thought you already had the name.
OK, I do not. I do not, but I'm I'm working on
it. We got to hold on.
Pause, pause, pause, pause. OK, OK, don't know for toy 26
from Drew. It's not $5.

(01:51:27):
Thanks for asking for answering my draft.
Question. So there you go.
Yeah, so we got to answer that question.
As far as as free agents go for 2026, you're looking at
Christian Watson, Shawn Ryan, Dobbs, Dobbs, Zach, Tom Walker,

(01:51:52):
Whelan Anig Barre. Yeah, not really anybody else
super worth factoring in years. So I would just kind of double
down position wise and and say defensive end.

(01:52:13):
I think even if the guys who we have, who the front office
really wants to hit this year in2025, I think even even if they
all do hit, I think you're stillin a situation where you're just
light on numbers. And with I think Barry being a

(01:52:34):
free agent, obviously you can and probably will re sign him.
I still think that they're just maybe down a guy there.
So you know, they, they typically want to carry 5 on the
active roster. And I would say right now today

(01:52:54):
they have four guys who I would reasonably expect to be on the
active roster, including Kingsley and Ibarrae.
And then you got two kind of question marks in like Bretton
Cox and Colin Oliver and Colin Oliver.

(01:53:15):
Obviously, you know, we had AI think 3 weeks in a row now we've
had big conversations about, youknow, where we want him to play
and I just in 2026, I have a hard time seeing him still be in
the defensive end room. So I think you're looking at,
you know, the 2026 draft, you'relooking at Rashawn Gehry and
Lucas Vanessa. Assuming that Vanessa hits this

(01:53:39):
year, which I think you and I both expect he will.
I certainly do. Then then he got Baron Sorel,
Kingsley and Annegbari, who is going to be a free agent, and
then Colin Oliver and Bretton Cox.
It it just, it just by far makesthe most sense that either
defensive end or cornerback is going to be the position where
you're the lightest at, at numbers.

(01:54:00):
So if you have your your thing you want to say, you can do
that. Otherwise, yeah, we do have a.
Question So I got I got three names.
Let's do one at each spot because again, I again, tackle
could be in play. But if they if they feel like
Belton's the long term tackle right, then I think you have
your two and Jordan Morgan potential swing right for 26 and

(01:54:23):
you feel comfortable with that. If not, there are going to be a
lot of options. There are going to be a lot of
options. If I if you want me to throw,
I'll throw out a fourth. You want me to throw out the
sleeper if they go first round tackle Yeah, Caleb Tiernan from
Northwestern throw them out there one O 8 on the consensus

(01:54:45):
board. Now I'm going to I'm going to
near guarantee finishes in the top 50.
That's that's my guess. Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern.
So let's throw that out there D line.
If we go interior. It's very simple.
The Don OK, he's been he's been at Cincinnati a while, but I
don't think he's he might be 20-3 maybe by draft time.

(01:55:08):
Dante Corleone, man, they're going to go defensive tackle.
That's who I'm thinking. 136 on the consensus board because he's
long been forgotten about because we talked about him for
like the last couple drafts. I think they're in on that.
I'd just have a hard time seeingseeing Corleone not ending up in
either with the Giants or with the Bears or maybe The Jets.

(01:55:30):
Like he's just Detroit. No, Philly, Philly, Philly.
No, I was talking about, I was just talking about, you know,
the the Mafia. Well, that's why I brought up
Detroit. And then I then I was like, OK,
what team then? You can't bring up the Lions

(01:55:50):
without depressing me. So yeah, I'm sorry.
Keep that in the back here. The the other position though,
by the way, you know, I hit on defensive end and, and corner
and I completely neglected defensive tackle where again,
they still are just freaking light on numbers, like
ridiculously light on numbers. And I, I just, I would be just

(01:56:11):
absolutely stunned if they are are still bringing back Kenny
Clark for the 2026 season. Just I, I just can't fathom it
happening. I agree I I think that the most
likely outcome is that that theyare sitting there at some point

(01:56:32):
in the regular season in 2025, kind of desperate to add another
player to that defensive tackle room.
You know, bringing in, you know,kind of doing that that churn
in, you know, the street free agents maybe exploring trades,
even though they never trade I'm.
I'm still just. I think it's going to be in play

(01:56:54):
and maybe sooner if Kenny's not playing well in, in, you know,
during the summer and you know, practicing while in training
camp, etcetera, which I don't expect he will.
I, I think the Packers think that he's going to be fine and I
don't think he will be fine. And I think that they are are
going to realize that at at somepoint this season before it's

(01:57:16):
too late and start trying to make some some moves to bring in
another body, whether it's, you know, a Jaron Reed level
acquisition. Yeah, I I think they'll at least
make a Jaron Reed level acquisition.
Yeah. Hey, maybe Warren Brinson steps
up and he's just the dude Potentially.
Yeah. Dilemma salt.
But see. Yeah.

(01:57:38):
OK, so I did those you mentioned.
Drew said I think the Packers like Wyatt more than fans.
I love Wyatt. I don't think people who don't
like Wyatt are stupid. Well, Corleone could probably
play nose in this scheme. Cincinnati's asked him to do a
lot of different things in his. Career.
So I will throw that out there tool for the Sid Kenny and a

(01:58:01):
2026 first for Hendrickson. I I will say I would not trade a
2026 first straight up for Hendrickson, but if I could
throw Kenny in there as well, then maybe it's worth it to me
to part with a 2026 first. Maybe.
Yeah, just let Tom play two waysand have him replace.
Kenny. Zach Tom and Travis Hunter, the

(01:58:26):
two Goats of our time. Two way players at edge.
At edge. I'm going to throw two Big 10
names out there. One of them is high in the
consensus board because it just makes too much sense.
Denny Dennis Sutton from Penn State.
Deny, deny, deny. Dennis Sutton.
OK, that sounds. I don't know why I know Penn

(01:58:48):
State so well, but I know Penn State.
Really, I don't know why I'm glad you do know, Like I don't
care about Penn State, but I just I know their roster Well,
Yeah. Dennis Sutton could could make
the leap now. You know, without Carter there,
you're going to you're going to got to be the guy.
So we'll know Otto Saca is the other at edge that I got threw

(01:59:13):
out from Northwestern. 2 Northwestern guys watch
Northwestern this year. OK, They've got 2, I think studs
at corner. I, I thought about this one.
I mean, AVN Terrell is what everybody thinks is going to
happen right now. Or DJ McKinney.
If you look at early Mox, Mckinney's like 180.

(01:59:34):
He needs to add in some more weight.
If if that's going to be the case, I'm I'm going to throw
Ricardo Holman's name out there.We're going to stick.
We're going to just keep keep pushing big 10 and northern
teams shout out Cincinnati Ricardo Hallman.
Yeah, I I know it was maybe a little bit I I think it was a
little bit of a down year. I think, you know, he may have

(01:59:57):
may have gotten hurt as well, but like his 23 season was
really, really good. So if I think if they go the
corner route, like he peaked at 25 on the consensus board,
another player that might be outof sight, out of mind.
I'll give you a. A probable first round pick.
OK. Different position, though.

(02:00:17):
Safety. Coy Parrich.
Oh, Minnesota From Minnesota. Yep.
Coy Parrich. Yeah, he nice.
Is he eligible? I think yeah.
Yeah, He'll be for 2026. Yes.
OK. Gosh, he's not even on the
consensus board. What are we doing?
Maybe he's not eligible. I really thought he was.
He's heading into. I thought he was heading into

(02:00:39):
his junior year. Yeah, I know.
He's just. I thought, I thought you were
going to say Downs for a second.I was.
Like heck yes, please do. Oh, Downs is not going to be
anywhere near where, Lord willing, the Packers will not
have any chance of reaching him.I if, if they that's.
So funny. Something would have to go
horribly wrong for either Caleb Downs health or the Packers

(02:01:03):
regular season record. Yeah, that's why for them to
have any shot of being near eachother.
Is parrots not eligible? Eligible, yeah, 1027 guy, but
you should put his name down for27 folks, but Koi Perich all
right, you have you have from a two way player this year.
He's going to be a he's going tobe a starter on offense and
defense for Minnesota. He's going to be a first round

(02:01:24):
pick. He is probably going to be big
10 defensive A lot of return stuff last year by the way.
I mean three-way player, really.three-way player.
Yeah. So that whole thing about
Hunter, we may never see a player like Hunter again.
That might have been a lie. I think that Travis Hunter was
like the best thing ever for a guy like Coy Perich, you know,

(02:01:46):
to now, you know, get. Opportunities.
The the we, we keep talking about how we have to hit on wide
receiver and let's do it the brotherhood sports.
Welcome to the chat. I don't recognize your name, so
either you change your name or welcome the first time hot take
Wix doesn't make the 53 man roster that that certainly is a

(02:02:07):
hot take. It's not one that it's it's it's
a little spicy for me, but propsto you for putting your name out
there and staking your claim. So if it happens, you know,
certainly, you know, brag about about that foresight, celebrate
the W. If that happens, I I think that
I think Wix is going to bounce back.

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I think he's going to have a fantastic year.
I really do. I think that his head was not in
the right space last year. And I think where we sit here
today, or at least a couple months ago, his head still was
not in the right spot. But if he can get his head back
in the right spot, I think he's going to have a fantastic year

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and could very easily lead the Packers in receptions, lead them
at targets, lead them in yards. Yeah, it's, it's not a remote
stretch at all. It's certainly within his talent
abilities to make that happen. It's it's 100% just mental.

(02:03:12):
Seems like his his focus was notin the right spot a year ago.
Seems like his awareness in a couple different ways, like
situational awareness, but also,you know, just like even just in
the off offseason, you know, some of the stuff about, you

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know, he was like laughing aboutJosh Jacobson.
The Packers needed to add a widereceiver wand.
And like, dude, like reality check, people are looking at
squarely at you and Jaden Reed when they make comments like
that that you guys are supposed you guys are the most primed.
All right, Like we love Dobbs. Dobbs is a little bit limited

(02:03:56):
physically in a way that you andReed are not.
Watson just from a skill set, you know, limited a bit in in in
the same way you and Reed shouldbe wide receivers one and two
and mental errors and disciplineare the reason that you haven't

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been. So like a little bit of
self-awareness of like, hey, youknow, Guti is talking about a
sense of urgency and then he goes out and drafts wide
receivers in rounds one and three.
The sense of urgency is not about the front office.
It's about you guys that if you want to stick around and I'd
like you to both stick around because I think you're both

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supremely talented players and like, you know, I, I don't know
where you are, Jake, but just for my money, like my favorite
receiver on our roster, the guy that I have the most excitement
about his ceiling is Tay Wicks. All right, He's he's for me.
You know, if I'm ranking who I'mthe most excited about Wicks #1

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and it's not close, but we've seen the floor way more often
than we've seen the ceiling. And like freaking incredible
route runner. I gush about it almost every
week, if not at least every other week on this on this pod.
I gush by his route running. His release is fantastic, like

(02:05:25):
the the the devante comparisons that people make are not just
they they are not because you guys both go by the name Tay.
No, it's because the similarity in your game is, is like
unmistakable. And you know, we have talked
endlessly about how it wasn't until year 3 for Devante that

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things came together. You're heading into year 3,
Jake, you and I talked a lot. Same for Watson, same for
Watson. It was clicking.
We was clicking last year, whichwe've talked about, right, which
we've talked about. Well, we, we, we made the case
that had the same year 2 drop Watson and Dobbs in year 2 start

(02:06:10):
the season out decently hot and then just absolutely ran out of
gas at the at the second-half ofa year 2.
And they were like pathetically awful.
And it was the freshman Reed andand Wicks who were carrying the
passing game year. Oh, for sure, 3 Watson and Dobbs

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came in fully established and they had the gas to go the whole
season. You weren't seeing the mental
errors that you had that had plagued years 2 for both of them
and and obviously the end of year one.
All right, it was no shock at all that as rookies, you know,
Dobbs in particular, I thought ended his rookie season on a

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very poor note compared to how he played for most of of his his
rookie year. And then, you know, we we made
the observation that last year, year 2 for Reed and Wicks
started off the season looking good, Wicks a little bit less.
So, you know, Wicks didn't really pick up where he left off
at the end of his rookie season.And then but like by the middle

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of year 2, like there was nothing left to give for Reid or
for Wicks. And that we are very optimistic
and excited that you we can see the same year three leap in NFL
stamina, discipline, practicing confidence that these two are

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going to really break out in year 3 same way that Watson and
Dobbs did. And I think that I think that
Wix and and Reed both have higher ceilings than Watson and
Dobbs do. Dobbs for athletic reasons.
Watson just like, you know, sorry, like there's some mental
stuff, you know, just just processing and route tree and

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just a lot of subtleties in in the route running that probably
are always going to prevent Christian Watson from being an
ex receiver, even though we'd like him to be.
So Sky's the limit for Wix and Reed and and and there was a
period through like the first four weeks of Reed's second

(02:08:18):
season where he was, you know, arguably the best receiver in
the NFL through those first fourweeks.
It it really was not a stretch. You know, there was nobody else
who was just jumping off the page at you and saying, no, this
guy's definitely playing better than Jayden Reid is.
So yeah, yeah, I proto. That said, I think Wixon sealing

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is more Darius Slayton than Adams sealing.
I I very much disagree about theceiling.
I don't even think that's the same type of player, to be
honest. And I don't mean to to belittle
your opinion either. And if you want to talk about
floor, you know, Wix's floor andAdam's floor, very different
here. I'll to me, this is this.

(02:09:05):
If you want the ceiling that isn't Tay Wix, I have one.
Just making sure I'm going through all the receivers in the
league right now on their depth charts really fast.
To me, the ceiling is one of twoplayers.

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If it's not Tay, it's wait, I lost it.
Oh, Deonte Johnson and it is oh,who's the other?
I just had it feeling where because because JJ put this, you
know, laid this out perfectly. There's there's not a better

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route runner on the team and that's coming from two guys who
really like Golden and what he can do.
He isn't the the Wix level of tempo release quick's short area
explosion control like it's inefficiency.

(02:10:13):
It's it's really all there. It's again, it's route depth in
hands like those are the like those are the two things.
Is he on time where he needs to be in the raw depth and then can
he catch the ball? That's obviously the most
important thing, right, other than getting open is catching it
and and he's not doing it. But I think if you, if you want

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to, you know, not go the, the, the Dante or the Devante Adam
ceiling. I think you look at those two,
you look at Deante Johnson and what he was in Pittsburgh for a
long time and you look at Adam Thielen like those two are maybe
if you want to give them 80 to 80 to 90% ceilings.
Yeah. Of of of Tay Wicks.

(02:10:57):
I think that's what you're looking at more.
So he certainly can get he he certainly can get to Devante,
though. He certainly can get there to
me. Yeah, I just don't.
And again, nothing against brotherhood sports comment.
I just don't think Tay Wicks andand Darius Slayton are the same
type of player because, like Darius Slayton to me is a field

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stretching Z and like I don't I don't think Wix possesses the
gear to to be to ever be that right.
He's not going to be fast enoughto do that.
He has to make his hay where Taywhere keen and Alan where a lot
of these guys made their hay of like, Hey, I can win in the
short and intermediate at a highlevel maybe a few times, you

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know, a year. I can surprise you with a little
bit of burst. Right, like those, those are the
types we'd be talking about I think with yeah.
With, with Tay Wix is, is Devonte Adams, Keenan Allen
Thielen and and Deonte like those are those are kind of
those same, same realm of players, right.
And and again, not that Wix doesn't have any, any semblance

(02:11:58):
of burst. That's how he catches you off
guard a little bit, right, because he has a little bit of
that that he can tap into for what do you say, 1015 yards,
right. So that, that to me is like,
when you're looking at like style of player, that's what I,
I would, I wouldn't worry about like, you know, what, what the
number accounting stuff is and all that.

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Like I, I want to know the type like, because again, if you're
building your receiver room likea basketball team, I need to
know all of the skill sets in the room.
I need to know who's going to beable to run, you know, the
intermediate routes and then theshort stuff and, and move the
chains. I need to know who that is.
I need to know the field structure is going to grow, the

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deep crossers and, and all this stuff, how, how everything fits
together. So that's why I want to compare
player type and not production because production can and
especially the raw counting production can come from a
variety of things like you can get production, you can get to
800 yards, you know, by by catching 40 passes.

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Sometimes some of some of the great ones can do that, like you
can get to 800 yards being a bucket getter, you can get to
800 yards. Heck, you can get to 800 yards
catching a ton of screens in in the Washington offense.
That's pretty sure that's what Debo's going to be doing this
year. If, you know, if if I had to put
money on it of like, OK, Debo's going to be a massive part of
the RPO game and and picking off8 to 10 yards when he gets the

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ball immediately. So that's that's where that's
where I would push back at the kind of the production thing.
But I get what you're saying of like, OK, if he you think the
ceiling is lower and you put him, you know, as a guy who's
more of a secondary tertiary player in terms of production,
totally fair, totally fair. I have a couple of comments I

(02:13:47):
want to catch up on from tool for this.
He said, I think Reid will be fine if they keep him away from
punt and kick returns. You know, I I don't love putting
these young guys who are struggling at receiver on
returns. I don't see like the the cross
training benefit and it seems tohave multiple Times Now

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coincided, you know, and maybe it is just a correlation on a
causation, but it seems to have coincided with lack of
confidence in these, you know, young guys like I, I thought
putting Amari Rogers on returns was the worst possible thing.
He sucked at it. And so he's constantly getting

(02:14:36):
all this, you know, negative, whatever it's called, not
affirmation. Oh, what's the word confirmation
Negative anyways? Just re reaffirming over and.

(02:14:56):
Over again. Wait, keep going.
I'll think of the word that you know, hey, you, you suck, you
know, you go out in the field and and your plays are negative.
For the team shoot. Oh, gosh.
Reinforcement. Yeah.
Thank you. Negative reinforcement.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it.
That took me a first second. I'm glad you came up with it

(02:15:18):
because I I was not going to come up.
Put this. Put this on the notes we need.
JJ and I both need to get word of the Day calendar for
Christmas and birthdays. There we go.
OK, you can get me one for my my30th birthday.
Well, there you go. Yeah.
We'll put you. We'll put you in the guest
house. See, Randall Cobb being brought

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in to to appease a Rogers took wide receiver snaps from Amari
and that killed him. That's the yeah, that's the
other. That's not very debatable.
It's it's it's it's it's pretty apparent that that was a huge
killer. Like as soon as Randall Cobb got
brought back on the roster, likethat was it for Amari's playing

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time. Because you were not.
You were not allowed to take Randall and Devante off the
field. And then at that point, thanks,
coach. Yeah, that works too.
Negative affirmation. And I think that works as well.
But you were not allowed to takeDevante and and Randall off the
field. And then, like, Alan Lazar was
earning playing time, and he wasa very different body type and

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skill set from Amari. I, I, I, I I think the other big
problem was just that, like, Amari was always a terrible
pick. I never liked the pick, largely,
you know, I just never like Clemson.
Clemson offensive skill players just hate this draft next year,

(02:16:45):
man. There's so many Clemson players
in it. It's a bit of a new era in
Clemson, all right? It's a bit of a new era in
Clemson, all right? Some of the things that Dabo was
doing back in the day that contributed to these horrific,
you know, NFL track records, I think are no longer in play.
I think he's doing things a lot different.
I think he's. You know, has matured a lot as a

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coach. God, the consensus big board is
just full of saw that Mario Rogers produced more in college
than Golden. Should I be scared?
There's no correlation. There are three college
production in the top 10, five in the top 30.
They're mostly all defensive guys, though.

(02:17:28):
No, they're actually it's three and two.
I think we're the offensive guys7 in the top 85.
By the way, I don't I don't keepup on Antonio Williams, wide
receiver Southern and then Cade Clubnick.
Oh, Cade Clubnick come on in thetop 10 after 2023.

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I would have agreed, but I thinkhe actually played really well
in 2024. Unfortunately it is May the 13th
in the year of our Lord 2025 andwe're talking about Cade
Clubnick. What?
We're also going to go re litigate DJ Wyong Lele again.
Spencer Rattler? Come on.
Probably Spencer Rattler. Is it Gunner Stockton time?

(02:18:13):
What about what's his name? Carson Beck just got chased off
JJ needs to. If Klubnick hits, I want him to
call JJ out in the press. That's what I.
Want it would not be the first time I've been.
I would like to see that. It would not be the first time.
I, I just I, I, I'm seeing it right now of the like, gosh,

(02:18:35):
there's so many clubs, the guys on this thing, OK, listen of
them that I can see so far, thisis not me crapping on Kate
Klubnick. It's crapping on the mock
drafters who are taking what they've seen of Kate Klubnick so
far and saying, Oh yeah, no, thethat that's going to be that's
going to be a top ten pick guys turning around their last year

(02:18:57):
in college all the time. But he already did do it
preemptively. He did already turn it around,
but not the cat turn around we're looking for.
No, it no, it is. I thought he was I I was a big
hater after 23 and was very surprised at 24 almost to where

(02:19:17):
I have to go back on the preconceived.
You'd have him in your top ten right now.
Top ten. What do you mean of a mock draft
or a big board? No, no.
Minecraft. Yeah, probably.
I don't think art 1. I don't think Arch is coming out
2. I don't.
I'm not Drew Aller. We're not.
We're not doing that yet. It's been, it's been a minute

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since I liked a college quarterback.
I will say that maybe I'm tryingto think everybody's on the
Mendoza train, which I think is is very fun.
I'm excited to see that in the last few years I was over the
moon about Justin Herbert in 2020, 2021, I liked Trevor and
Justin almost equally. I like both of them. 2022 I

(02:20:07):
don't think I like. Is that the year I didn't like a
single quarterback was 2022. The was that the kid?
That would be the year that nobody liked any of the QBs And
then what? 23 was young Stroud, Richardson,
Levis Hooker. I liked Richardson a lot.

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I liked we still believe OK. I like we're not done like
Stroud. I didn't love Stroud.
I my my top 2 quarterbacks were Richardson and then Stroud and
then huge drop off to Bryce Young 2024.
I think the only quarterback I liked at all was Jaden because I

(02:20:54):
really hated. Oh.
Man, I will say so that was the Drake May class.
I did not like Drake May at all.I did not show the flashes like
Caleb, except because JJ hasn't played.
Everybody else has flashed. And like, that's got to be,
that's got, that's got to haunt Vikings fans right now.

(02:21:15):
Like well. Get the only guy that we can.
It haunts one too, though, because because I I said all
along, if you're going to draft JJ, then you have to sit him.
And he SAT and it kills me. He was forced to sit.
Unfortunately, he was forced to because I said, like, if you
play him, you're one, you're going to ruin it.
Well, that and they couldn't ruin him because he got so well.

(02:21:37):
Yeah. And also, this was the landing
spot we talked about. Like, if he's going to land
somewhere, this is where I wouldwant him to go.
Like we talked about. Like that was the spot Minnesota
was. So Brotherhood Sports said I
still believe in Levis. Jake, do you know of a bigger
Will Levis hater on the planet than yours truly?

(02:21:58):
And was I also one, not one of the earliest Will Levis haters
that you ever heard of? I don't know.
It's a good question. I, I, my memory does not surf,
but I mean, I, I'm trying to think Levis is great.
Levis is great. I've ever hated as much as Will
Levis. Levis.
Levis might have gotten an awardnamed after him that was

(02:22:19):
previously assigned to Carson Wentz.
It was it was always like, oh, now who's got the Carson Wentz
WTF Interception of the week? I don't know, man.
Will Levis had a few of those where it's like, I don't, I
don't know, man. Is it time to change the name of
the award? But I mean, it'd be it would be

(02:22:42):
really funny if he gets dealt somewhere like Pittsburgh just
to give him a try in Pittsburgh.He's not that stupid.
Tulipa says Levis memes were better than his play, which
reminds me of the greatest Deshaun Watson joke of all time
last year, which was it was what's that show part might

(02:23:05):
take? We're not monetized yet, so it's
fine. So they were talking about how
awful his football play on the field was getting.
And they were like, you know, he's playing so badly.
Oh yeah, that. You.
Pretty much have to say like he's an even better person than
he has a player. Yeah, I do remember that now.

(02:23:30):
I wanted to get back to this Richardson made Levis look like
Marino. I mean, they both freaking
sucked on the field is the thingthey're but one awful player
does not another awful player a great player.
Make Go go ahead, dear, the one you won.
My my thing was I just wanted toget back to this because

(02:23:53):
brotherhoods. I saw brotherhoods sports
brought up like produce more college and Golden.
Here's what I want to say about this because I think it's I
think it's a big point in this in this new era.
Gotta remember it took it took Mari Rodgers four years to get
1000 yards. It took him four years to get
600 yards. OK, in freaking Clemson offense,

(02:24:15):
Clemson Clemson's artificial offense, right?
And he didn't move teams. Golden went from Houston, which
again, he didn't produce a Houston, But I I think a lot of
that were the drops. The drops at Houston were not
good in 23. It was it was something that
that needed to be cleaned up thethe the transfer to new offense.

(02:24:38):
It's going to be interesting to see how that affects production
metrics going forward in future drafts because he goes to Texas,
you know, in last last offseasonand by the by mid season Georgia
game was good. And like if you felt like he

(02:24:59):
started to ramp up once I think he got comfortable and it's like
that shift now of OK, guys are entering new schemes in the
transfer portal. How quickly can they get it
going or how late does it take them to to kind of really hit
the stride. I think it's worth exploring.
I think if Golden State another year at Texas, I think the

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production would have been off the charts.
So I do think there is a little bit of an element to that now
where you look at that and go, OK, he's moving to a no offense.
And I get it. Like Cam Ward was cooking in
Miami after moving over from from Wazoo.
Yeah, but he's also a fifth yearplayer.
Golden was a true junior last year.
So a little bit younger, a little bit younger deal.

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Like Cam Ward's seen a lot already.
Even though he was at Incarnate Ward, he had two years at at
Wazoo. So like he had seen a lot.
He was in Year 5 at year five. I would hope a QB is doing well,
right? I would hope so to get to where
he was. So I do think like Golden's,
yes, his rock counting production was not great.

(02:26:03):
And I think because of that and because of all the routes he ran
and because of a a little bit ofQB play, the yards per out run,
not great. But as JJ and I were looking at
and we, we kind of, you know, we're putting this on a lot of
our, our, our stuff this year atreceiver, his first downs per
target, super good up there withguys who were first round picks.

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He was near guys like I think Harrison, I want to say Wilson
and there were a couple others. He was right there with them in
terms of first downs per target.So there was still like when
they went to him, he was producing important plays and

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the success rate was high on targets.
So I think I think you also likeanytime you watch the the Texas
film, you're also just seeing the absolute force feeding of
his teammate that impacted the the stats as well.
For sure that it took them a long time to realize what they

(02:27:10):
had. Don't forget the the routes run
will also count on those designed, you know, spinner
tight end leaks where he is not a primary read at all or where
they're running. You know, you were just throwing
swing passes. Those count, unfortunately, in
terms of a routes run. And that was the other thing
with with with Hunter as well. We're like his yards per hour

(02:27:32):
runs good, but it's not great. It's like, well, you take all
the screens away where he's on the other half of the field not
doing anything because the ball's not going his way.
He goes up to near 3 yards per route run.
It's like, OK, so there is a lotof that that I think.
And again, I'm not, there are some people who are very like
anti the the advanced stats and the analytics.
I don't know why I think it's great info to continue to use,

(02:27:54):
especially if you're baking intoproduction metrics like why use
the rock, rock counting stuff? You can use other stuff.
But I do think there's interesting ways we can filter
some of that in terms of the routes run thing that that I
think could give us. So some interesting data to work
with going forward. Two of us has a a fantastic
question that I wish I could answer.

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And I suspect that the real answer is there's just not
enough sample size. Didn't play a lot with him
right. But he asks, was there a
difference in Matthew Golden's play with when you were as
versus Arch Manning? I don't know.
I know Arch came in what in the Georgia game?

(02:28:38):
I think I don't know, I, I, I have to, I have to look back on
that. I would have to look back on
that. But what I will say is if you go
back even further and you look at, you know, Worthy had 1000
yards with yours, right. But if you were these best

(02:28:59):
season in terms of the advanced metrics was his freshman year
where he wasn't playing with yours.
So it does seem like yours is kind of hampering production
from everybody or the Mitchell Bond golden like it seems like
yours is the common denominator here of like all these problems.

(02:29:19):
Well, Stark is also one that's can I can I can I ask you a
question like that's I I there'sa lot of that opinion.
Sure. What if Quinn yours had stayed
at Ohio State? The interesting conversation.
I don't, I don't know because like I'm purely asking in the
context of his development into a college quarterback that

(02:29:44):
eventually NFL in that Bama game, did he heard this throwing
shoulder? I don't know.
I didn't watch. Was that a throwing shoulder
injury? Yeah, this is this is what I
there were so many broader gameson that weekend.
I didn't watch that game. Drew just commented it after I
asked it. Was that the injury?

(02:30:05):
Well, it isn't that when he whenhe missed, he started missing
time. Yeah, it was it was early 23.
It was the Bama game. Was that his throwing shoulder
is the the Texas offensive line and their pass brought blocking.

(02:30:27):
Yeah. Tour oblique, which well, as a
rotational thrower, maybe that there wasn't a little bit of an
effect there. Don't know, but again, you never

(02:30:51):
know what what you know, those injuries and and how you're
rehabbing and coming back. What changes, especially if it's
on the throwing, honestly on either side, like how does it
affect how you throw? Are you concerned about it when
you come back? Like he, he definitely you felt
like the velocity just dropped 'cause you watched that game

(02:31:15):
before the injuries and you go man, he is, he is zipping the
ball. He is ripping out routes outside
the hash. You you even could see that in
high school he was yeah. Oh yes, a Mamma jam, of course,
yes. So like I, yeah, especially
because yeah, and, and Wolfus and Drew are kind of agreeing

(02:31:36):
like as a rotational thrower, especially like, you know,
that's it's not great, it doesn't help.
It does not help and probably change the trajectory of things
for him. So do we have a lot left of what

(02:32:02):
we would like to talk about? We have gone 2 1/2.
Hours already. Well, it depends on how antsy
you already are going. This is one of the rare nights
when I don't have to be worried about getting out of here on
time at all. So I I can keep going.
We we have we've done a lot tonight.
About 25 minutes left until Tyler Derschel is available to

(02:32:25):
join the chat. Just doing it out there.
Hey, too old for this. Even dropped in the chat.
You need to keep going for Tyler.
Yeah. I'm going to turn my camera off
when JJ is talking so I can eat.All you got to do is just mute
it so we don't have to hear you munching.
True. That's true.
Your lettuce. That's true.
That's good. Well, what do you have tonight?
Is it is another salad? Yeah.

(02:32:47):
Salad, soup, chicken. That's what we got.
This is this is my dinner. Water.
It's not a bad one either. That's usually what my breakfast
is. Can Golden be like a Jordan
Addison? I'm the wrong person.
OK, remember how I said I'm not sure how many players I have

(02:33:09):
disliked as much as will Levis throw Jordan Addison in there as
well. So I, I need, I need to recuse
myself from this question and let and let the draft robot
handle it. I don't, I don't mind that.
Actually. I I don't mind that I I've liked

(02:33:30):
the comp for Golden in the realmof somewhere in between your
Deonte Johnson, Brandon Cook sort of mesh that together type
of thing. Yeah.
I don't, I don't mind that. Obviously the size isn't the
same, but that's not really necessarily the question.

(02:33:54):
It's more of, you know, the style of play.
Yeah, I don't, I don't mind it. I think Addison has a little bit
more twitch in the game. And again, Golden obviously had
the injury. Yeah.

(02:34:17):
That that's not the worst thing because at two things Addison
got a lot better at this past year and I'm putting that
together right now of like he was clearing contact better and
he was catching through contact a lot better in 24.

(02:34:39):
Yeah. If they're going to allow him to
stretch the field a little bit more like again, IJJ knows this.
I would love to see golden Wicksand Watson on the field the same
time. Just all three.
Just give me all of that becauseit gives you.
It's a. Nice package.
Some versatility where I I to meat the very least, Wicks and and

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golden can split between X and slot.
And then you have Watson to be the just true stretch Z and it
gives you a lot of possibilities.
And again, with Watson blocking and what he does is a blocker.
You could almost add him as like, hey, we can add him as a
threat to the formation where like he could even be in the
slot and golden could do some Z work like Addison does.

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So I actually don't don't hate that.
Enough speed, enough explosion and burst to get down the field,
make some tough catches, which he does.
I think he does a little bit better with body control than
Addison. But the routes and the speed
cuts, yeah, that's that's not bad.
It's not bad at all. What if not bad at all?

(02:35:49):
What if you got those three guysand Craft and Musgrave?
Craft and Musgrave, who's playing running back?
Or are we an empty What? Are you empty?
Yeah, no, you're empty for sure.That's Musgrave.
Musgrave's the clear out guy every time.

(02:36:11):
No, no offense. No offense.
I just what route am I ask him to run?
That's it. That's what we got here.
Here's the thing, though. If you are defending that, who's
the guy that you are devoting the least resources to covering?
Yeah, it's Musgrave. Yeah, it is for sure.

(02:36:33):
This is a question. So touchdown Musgrave.
Well, well, yeah. If he can, you know, he's
probably only got one guy to beat.
It's a linebacker or ADB. He could probably outrun the
linebacker, unless it's like John Campbell or somebody like
that. Probably missing somebody else.

(02:36:56):
Who am I missing? No, Drew.
Drew wants to talk about Parsonsis playing linebacker, I guess.
Yeah, that's probably the only guy I'm like, well, I keep
breaking, I'll run him. There's probably somebody I'm
missing trying to go through allthe teams right now.
Colin Oliver. Well, he's our team though, Drew

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says. You know what I didn't
understand from the draft? Why did Pittsburgh wait until
the 6th round to get a quarterback?
That made no sense to me and it might get Tomlin fired.
So listen, if there's if there is an AFC team that I know a
lot. About It's the Steelers.
First of all, Tomlin's not goingto play.
That is not going to. Happen.
No. Second, why did they wait until
the 6th round to get a quarterback?

(02:37:42):
There were zero. They got the GOAT.
There were zero quarterbacks to draft.
Like you just wish that they would have drafted Will Howard.
Sooner. I just again I don't.
I have no problem with them passing on Dart.
I I think Sanders could have worked in the offense.
So I'm I if you're like, oh, they could have passed on him.

(02:38:03):
Sure. I think Caleb Johnson was I
think Caleb Johnson was a betterprospect than him.
Yeah, I probably have taken him as 83.
And so Sanders, yeah, probably. So that is your concern like
who's going to start this year? Because what rookie is fixing
that out of all the non Cam Wardrookies?

(02:38:24):
If you got to throw your money on one of the quarterbacks in
this class to start this year, there's not a better option on
paper than Will Howard. And that is not like a pro Will
Howard campaign. It's a who the heck else is
there? Jackson Dart is not ready to
start. Milro, who I like more than

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probably Dart and Sanders, he's definitely not ready.
He might be ready at some point,which is very exciting.
You could design A gimmicky offense around Kyle McCord and
win seven games with that. Of course, he went to Philly
where they could probably designA game plan for him to win and

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he's got 2 alphas out there and Saquon, but you pretty run up
against. It's a pretty nice place to go.
But yes, if they're asking you to make high leverage throws you
you go up again against, you know, Steve Spagnolo or

(02:39:28):
somebody. Yeah, that's and comic cord will
never play another football gameafter that ever.
I don't even know if like if McDonald with the Ravens
personnel where he was, you know, before he took the job, I
don't think that would have gonewell, would go well either.
I mean, like it any halfway in LA, I wouldn't let it slide.

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But then give me Jeff Hafley. Give me Jeff Hafley.
Yeah, they could have had Milro Drew.
That's true. They could have.
But again, if we're talking likethey don't have any options,
they have to have somebody start.
I don't want Milro starting cause 'cause if you're, if
you're talking about after this year, sure then then I guess
there's an interesting conversation and then there's a

(02:40:12):
Jackson Dart conversation. But a lot of people didn't like
Jackson Dart, right. So if.
The Steelers didn't like JacksonDart, then who else was there to
like Dylan Gabriel Rogers? Millro would be perfect.
That makes sense. But if they're not sure he's
coming, which I who knows anymore, and you got to play

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somebody. I mean, as JJ said, who?
Who else? Who else would play, you know,
for this year, no reason that Will Howard couldn't be the
second best option, maybe even the first best option to just,
you know, start for a season in their rookie year.

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You're looking at a super seniorwith a lot of experience played
in a prostyle offense at Ohio State already showed that he
could make the the transition really well going from, you
know, going from, you know, the beautiful state of Kansas to the
even more beautiful state of Ohio.
All right, yeah. I, you know, it's, it's, it's

(02:41:17):
throwing deep balls to DK and. And, and, and it's it is not an
offense that needs to put up a ton of points either, and it
never does probably. Not.
No, Derschel is here in the front that look at that.
Derschel's here. We can we can party final five
man front Pittsburgh has now youknow what high Smith Hayward

(02:41:43):
Benton Harmon have fun. You're not going you're not
going to like it. But they have those five out
there. You are not going to like it.
Let me tell you so and they, they brought in slave for a
year, which is fine. And they, they have Porter, who

(02:42:03):
he holds a lot, draws a lot of flags, but he he'll disrupt the
timing. And so like they, yeah, they can
win 20 to 17 games this year. Still.
I found a really good tweet about I was searching schedule
leaks earlier JJ 'cause I was interested and we haven't even
talked about that, but we'll getto talk about the full thing
next week. Someone tweeted schedule leak.

(02:42:26):
The Steelers will be playing on AFC wild card weekend on the
road as an 8 point underdog. Perfect tweet note.
Put money on that one. Put money on that one.
Yeah, yeah, super good. And then someone in the comments
immediately said they're they'realready down 3 TDs after reading
this, which I think is also verygood.
So that's just that's what they do and they're, I guess

(02:42:48):
comfortable with that. Sure, cool.
You better go get somebody like sellers next year, though, if
you want to be serious. So tool for this is demo
question big year, which I I don't know.
Yeah, I'm an LR doubter too. I feel like I'd rather have
Nico. I'd rather pass, but well, both

(02:43:15):
QBs can sometimes pass. No, I mean, I'd rather pass on
those QBs. I get you.
I get you, Nuss. No, no, I I haven't I haven't
zeroed in on on guys actually like yet.
Tool for this says dumb question.

(02:43:36):
What is a prostyle offense in college mean?
I guess a lot of them now it's very here's what now, I guess
here's what it doesn't what Syracuse was running.
Oh, Mississippi, Mississippi, that's for sure.
What what will Levis did at Kentucky air raid?
That was Cohen for a season. So so, so here's here's what it

(02:44:02):
doesn't mean, all right? It doesn't mean Tennessee
cutting the field in half. Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee
is probably the poster boy. So that's the poster one.
Yeah. We're we're going to get guys
who are Tennessee play offense just only fast.
We're going to out athlete you. We're not We are not trying to
confuse the defense. We are trying to out athlete the

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defense. We're also not asking our
quarterback to diagnose and react to and try and manipulate
the defense. Tennessee is one guy and really
it's pre snap of what the defense is doing.
If they're going to load the box, well, you know what we're

(02:44:46):
doing. Everybody run, someone will be
open because we're fast. So literally Tennessee, Will
Levis. That's why Tennessee, everybody
wants those Tennessee receivers.Like look at these cool numbers.
It's like, well, yeah, they run 2 routes.
They run, go and come back to ball.
That's the routes. That's what they run.
OK, that's that's it. That's why we had to have Jalen

(02:45:08):
Hyatt conversations years ago. He won the freaking Blitzikoff.
And then, yeah, see, well, the Blitzikoff because he caught 15.
How many games has he played in the NFLI?
Don't know. It's funny because I remember
the Dallas Cowboys saying like, yeah, we don't we don't think he
could run any routes. Narrator Well, they were right.

(02:45:30):
That's because that's because he's never run many routes.
They watched all his tapes. Narrator They were right.
So, you know, tool for this saysif Will Levis ran a prostyle in
college, he'd throw a lot of picks.
Brotherhood said he did throw a lot of picks in college.
Yeah. Will Levis was not asked to read

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or understand what the defense was doing, was not asked to move
safeties with his eyes or linebackers or or do any of that
stuff. He was told by the offensive
coordinator, Here's the guy you're going to throw it to.
Hopefully you know when in the progression of the play to throw
the ball and hopefully you can be accurate.

(02:46:13):
Spoiler alert, he usually didn'tand usually wasn't.
He had a big arm and he could throw it 70 yards from his
knees. And that's why he got drafted at
all. It's true.
Yeah, prostyle is obviously evolved.
It used to be a lot of like under center only used to a lot
of be a lot of what the prostylewas.

(02:46:36):
Now there are still air raid andRPO elements to an offense, but
at the end of the day, you have to make 232 to three reads or
full field reads. Plenty of things like they
Washington was able to incorporate some RPO stuff and

(02:46:58):
and some some air raid. You could maybe say stuff
because Kingsbury had done it and Jaden had done it, but they
were also asking him to make full field reads on plenty of
plays. So like they, they, they gave
him some training wheels a little bit, but that they could
come off at any moment, whereas like others need to be like kind

(02:47:22):
of handhold training wheels for,for a lot more of it.
I think that's, that's kind of the difference.
Like Cam Ward, I think is a goodexample of like air Raid RPO.
He can do that for sure. But then you watch him at Miami
a little bit more this past yearof like, OK, no, he's changing
stuff at the line. Like they're telling him, like,
if you see this, you know, we'reworking through those are huge.

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That's a whole other huge component in addition to what
Drew's saying checks the line ofscrimmage, moving defenders.
That's a huge part of it. The ability to move a defender.
You're seeing will Lewis move a defender in his life?
No, no timing reads, understanding the coverage,
where to go when a certain coverage is deployed, all that
stuff, seeing it pre snap, but also seeing it post a little bit

(02:48:06):
as well. Like you have to see all that.
And like, I think Ward kind of had the get the flow and, and
understanding this past year where you didn't see it as much
at at wazoo or again, he's trying to do a lot of things.
He's he's running around schoolyard, a lot of that stuff.
And it was like, no, no, he he figured it out.
Yeah, Mac Jones is a good example.

(02:48:28):
Mac Jones also played with a Heisman winner who was one of
the best, you know, yards per out run versus man coverage
players. So that's, oh, I've got Cam
Ward. Speaking of Cam Ward, just
because the schedule drops, it looks like it's going to be

(02:48:53):
Titans Broncos Week 1 as not a defense I would want to play
against. To be honest, as a rookie Week
1, I would have liked. I would have liked Indy or
Jacksonville as my as my first first taste of the league is

(02:49:13):
that's fun. It's a good time.
Did Matt Eberfuss go back to Indy?
Who's their DC ring? No, their DC is Anarumo, I guess
now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've, you know, he's dialed up some good defenses over the
years. Yes.

(02:49:33):
But I also, I have just never hoods, which was big.
Bates kind of allowed him to do quite a few things.
He was an eraser. He was an eraser.
So we're like, Oh yeah, I can run this because Bates is back
there. But like, he did a good job
flustering Mahomes. There's no question.
Like he did kind of unlock that better than anybody.

(02:49:53):
And Lamar at times as well. And I, I guess Alan, the week
before that Mahomes game in the snow, I guess that was the same
game they lost. But he's a very talented play
caller and I think he designs a good defense.
I, I just, I've always had, you know, taken issues with sort of

(02:50:21):
the personality management, you know, just just like from, I
don't know, like I'm, I'm not certainly not making, you know,
casting any aspersions on his character, but his ability to
lead, I guess for me leaves something to be desired.
I, I, I just, I just wonder if Indie maybe is a better fit for

(02:50:46):
him than Cincinnati. You know, it's, it's a, it's a
pretty stable roster. You don't, you don't have the
personalities in the same way. And I, you know, I just wonder
if there'll be less on his plateand he and he can kind of play
mad scientist a little bit more,you know?
Yeah. So we have new guy in the chat,

(02:51:12):
Ben Thorne. If you guys believe all this
media crap then you're idiots. I'm not sure if he's talking to
us or talking about us to the chat, but either way, welcome to
the chat. Ben Thorne.
Too old for this said. I believe everything I see on
the media. It's more trustworthy than the
weather and whether something iscake or not.
Always says always guess cake. I am undefeated at is it cake?

(02:51:35):
My wife and I watch the show. I've never been wrong.
It's a good game. I like it.
It's my it's my only talent. Fat channels yelling into a
microphone. A few channels I watch on
YouTube have done that. It's very entertaining every
time. So yeah, there you go.
I know we didn't really talk about Reed's thing because I

(02:51:57):
think it was kind of like, I think we kind of brushed brushed
through it a little bit of like what was actually happening.
And I think Bach painted that nicely.
So if that's, you know, something you're looking at and
going, oh, no, what's going on with that Jane Reed stuff?
Like I think Bhakt Yari's, if you go to Bhakt Yari's Twitter,
he, he outlined it pretty well of the Jayden Reed thing of like

(02:52:20):
that's just an agent checking inand doing kind of showing up for
his guy pretty much. Well, you read the tweet that
Schefter put out about like whathad happened and you're I think
Brian Mafi said perfectly. He's like this reads like
Rosenhaus wrote it and texted itand said 100 percent, 100%.

(02:52:42):
But Schefter does that for agents.
I mean that it's been a we've kind of known that for a while.
So just want to I've had enough Adam Schefter for the rest of my
life. Yeah, he's a big team up north
band voice. There's That's true contributes
to it. What Brotherhood Sports asks, is
taking sacks the new way for struggling quarterbacks to avoid

(02:53:03):
incompletions and interceptions?Stat padding.
Basically. I feel like just in the fields.
Should or Sanders and Caleb Williams take sacks?
As a strategy. I, I'm going to be a hard no on
this because I think you can look squarely at Patrick Mahomes
as the reason that guys like like them are taking a lot of

(02:53:25):
sacks. Because they're trying to do
what they've seen Mahomes do without his superpower ability
to feel a defender and know the exact right time to scramble,
the exact right time to throw itaway, throw it away, throwing
the ball away, you know, having an incompletion way less harmful

(02:53:48):
than taking a, a sack from an EPA.
Is it EPA or a DVOAI? Can't remember, but one of those
two taking a sack is actually more harmful than throwing an
interception. I think that it has to do
largely with just field position.

(02:54:08):
You you throw an interception, the the ball is more likely to
be further down the field and and is, is less likely to result
in the other team putting pointsup.
So I think it, it, it, it would have to be EPA.
So EPA it's actually more harmful to take a sack than it
is to throw an interceptor, which is bonkers.

(02:54:30):
But you know that it's just assessing what has happened in
the NFL over the last, you know,five years.
So pretty crazy. So some of some of that really
quick is there there's AI think there's a few different things
with this because you watched, Ithink 2 guys have great turnover

(02:54:51):
avoidance in the last decade plus Aaron Rodgers, Russell
Wilson were very good at making sure that they didn't turn the
ball over. And like that was a big thing
before we kind of talked about like the EPA that was affected
by like, OK, you know, oh, that,you know, turnovers aren't as
bad because and and that's wherekind of like people have brought
that arm punt turn up term. I mean, up where it's like now

(02:55:15):
you're taking a chance on the field and like in theory, EPA
based on, of course, probabilityto score based on what yard, you
know, yard line you are, you areat kind of gives credence to the
fact that like, yeah, the interception if you're if you're
trying to force it down the field is not as bad for you in
an EPA, EPA sense than taking a sack deep in your own territory,

(02:55:36):
right? Or or near mid, you're working
to near midfield and you get backed up to like inside your 40
or whatever. But I do think like the Rogers
and and Wilson of it all of likeguys are like like that are
trying to avoid turnovers because yes, they they can
certainly be backbreaking in in many cases.
I do think Williams likes to live off script.

(02:56:00):
And I think that's where you're coming from where it's like he
wants to be like Mahomes for sure.
He does. He wants to be Mahomes of like
and Shinur is living. He loves living outside of the
play, like he loves living in the second reaction stuff
because he he has great feel to it.
I think he just tries to get to it too early.
He's just trying to get to it too early or he just wants to

(02:56:23):
get to it in the face of pressure where there were a lot
of unblocked pressures and sacksfor sure, But there's a lot of
those where you just you have toget rid of the ball.
You have to know where the hot is on.
A lot of it also doesn't work aswell in the NFL, correct.
When you're going against NFL defenders every have to have a
every single guy feel. You have to have a lead feel to
do that every single. And you don't yet.

(02:56:44):
Yeah. And Mahone, yeah, it's a
superpower for Mahomes. He's, you know, has been the
best scrambler every single year.
Remember, the one year is 2021, I want to say the two best
scramblers were Mahomes and Brady.
And you're you're reading that and you're like, it can't be.

(02:57:05):
There's there's no way that, youknow, Brady is the second best
scrambler in the league, only behind Mahomes.
But you look at both of them, you watch them play, it entirely
came down to when they decide toscramble and you get, you know,
idiots like Justin Fields who just scramble when there's not a

(02:57:26):
guy open. Mahomes doesn't do that.
Mahomes scrambles when there's it's all done, there's nothing
there. First read's gone, first read,
no, second read, no, third read,no.
And when there's an opening to run, if there's not an opening
to run, he just throws it away. And that's the other thing with
the Q BS in the processing that that is necessary for the
position. The great Q BS when they

(02:57:49):
scramble. And Burrow did this all the time
in College of like pressure's coming that way.
I know that gaps going to be open.
I will take that immediately if I see it.
And that's what some of the great scramblers do as well.
Like they know where the pressure is coming from, they
recognize it and they know wherethe outlet is going to be to
escape if they need to. Like they already know what gap

(02:58:11):
is is going to be there. And to to the Fields and Sanders
thing. For both of them, it's more of a
processing issue. I don't think Caleb is a bad
processor. I think Caleb just wants to live
in that world more because he likes living in that world more
and and then then it'd be more of a processing issue.

(02:58:31):
Not to say that it isn't 1 at all, but I just think he loves
living in that world. Sanders and Fields have a
processing issue. Both of them do.
And while yes, Sacs don't alwaysdirectly fall on the QE, they
actually kind of do a little bitmore of like the unblocked
pressures in Sacs. Yes, maybe that's an online

(02:58:52):
communication issue for sure. But if you're holding on to it
too long, you can't assume that lineman are going to be able to
block for five seconds. We can't live in that world,
right, unless you think they canhold on every play.
Whereas and I really quick JJ and because those those guys are
bad processors. The one guy that I think you
could look at the sacks and go, I contextualize and understand

(02:59:14):
all of these is Burrow. Because what Burrow is taking
sacks, he is doing so not to thedetriment on 1st and 2nd down.
He is doing it when he knows that the third down, I need the
1st and I'm not going to be ableto scramble for it.
I'm going to wait until somebodygets open.
I'm going to keep looking at this field because I know if I

(02:59:35):
don't throw this well, then we it's it's dead.
We're done right? Like there's no like, oh, I'm
not putting myself behind the 8 ball on 2nd down.
He doesn't do that. His sacks on 3rd down are, yes,
he's trying to hold on to it toolong because he knows we're
punting if I'm not making this play and like, and that's the

(02:59:57):
one where you have to go throughsomething.
Yeah, it's surprising thing. Mahomes, Burrow.
I would throw Stroud in there aswell.
These guys, their brain is a computer.
They OK, Herbert. During a play is a rock, all
right? He can't process anything.
He can kind of just instinctually react to

(03:00:18):
something, you know, Oh, there'sa guy coming at me, I'll run
away from him if I happen to seehim.
But but the the the other three guys that I mentioned, they
process everything so quickly. So they're not just
instinctually making moves just based on whatever.

(03:00:40):
It's a it's a thought through decision.
They can think that quickly. I don't know if Caleb Williams
can think that quickly. I know Shudur certainly can't.
I know Justin Fields certainly can't.
And that's why you know, Shudur.I was not very interested in
drafting Shudur because althoughhe makes magic happen, you know,

(03:01:02):
in the PAC 12 schedule that he was playing now PAC 12, PAC 12
down PAC 12 formally, then Big 12.
Yeah, Big 12 schedule. He's playing, but he can't
process quickly, you know, and and that's, that's, that's what
I like about a guy like Stroud, like Burrough.

(03:01:26):
Yeah. Their brain is a computer.
Yeah. You know, it's it's over through
with anticipation. Sugar did not do that.
He never did that. He was wait until guys were
staring at him, just wait until the break was was long gone.
So he definitely Will Levis too.Yeah.
Will Levis 100%. And again, Will Levis has never
thrown with the anticipation in his entire life.

(03:01:47):
Yeah, definitely. And Fields didn't have to be a
processor because he was never pressured.
His Ohio State didn't allow him to face a lot of pressure.
And if he did face pressure, thecollegiate athletes he was
facing didn't have his 4/4 speed.
So we always had an outlet of like, hey, I'm faster than

(03:02:07):
everybody. I can get out of this situation.
And that's like Russell Wilson definitely lived, lived on that
a lot more certainly when he started because he was just that
good of an athlete where he could get out of situations like
that. Kyler kind of masks his
processing issues because he's that explosive and fast and he
doesn't take sacks because of that.
Like he they just can't can't catch him.

(03:02:30):
But like some of the guys where they aren't as fast, like the
shudders and the Levis is like you can tell that like their
clock isn't being speed up fast enough right now making this
jump. So it'll be interesting to see
if Shadur can make that jump at all and then hit obviously the
the padding, the ball thing, whatever we do, that's not

(03:02:50):
really that discussion. It's more with Shadur.
It's like the taking sacks is yes, his line wasn't good, but
also I I feel like he was a little more passive in the short
intermediate of like trying to work the ball into tighter
windows. He really wanted again, be the

(03:03:11):
see it, throw it. No anticipatory stuff guy.
And when you are like that and the windows are tighter, you get
hesitant and you can't really hesitate too much now turns into
sex. Yeah, and can't hesitate
anymore. We're we're past that now
hesitation. It means play over at this

(03:03:33):
point. To the Brotherhood's point, sex
seems to be the only QB step that doesn't directly fall on
the QB. I there there's there's two
things. One, when it comes to
perception, you're right. The QB does not take the blame

(03:03:53):
from the public or from organizations.
There's a small group, though that's growing in this ideology.
I will say that they are on the QB more.
Oh, it's that I sacks are. Yeah.
Which is where we need to be. I consider myself just purely
has lied to you. I I am purely A panelist.

(03:04:15):
All right. Sacks.
Everything I've ever looked into, sacks are 100% a
quarterback stat pressures. That's an offensive line stat,
right? So This is why my favorite
quarterback stat is always pressure to sack ratio.
I always want to know what that is.

(03:04:36):
The pressure to sack ratio tellsme so much about what you are
doing with the situation you aregiven.
So you look at, you know, the for for the three years that
that he was, you know, in the league and, and everything, it
was Chicago. Justin Fields was.
Always. The worst at pressure to SAC
ratio. Were there a lot of pressures?

(03:04:58):
This is a lot of pressures, but the pressure to SAC ratio was
absurd. It was over 40% almost all the
time. You know, you look at Jordan
Love I his first year I think right.
And I think second year right around like 7.1% and Josh Allen
was at like 8.1% pressure to SACratio.

(03:05:20):
Give me that all day. All right, I can go yell and
scream at the offensive line to make sure that you're getting
pressured less and yell at the freaking wide receivers to get
open faster because you are giving me a sub 9% pressure to
SAC ratio. That tells me you're not causing
the problems. All right?

(03:05:41):
If you're, if you are at like 10% or below, I'm not going to
ask you to do better than that. As a quarterback.
You there are going to be some situations and you talked about
with Joe Burrell, there are somesituations where you were going
to choose to take some sacks in situations where that is what I
want you to do. All right, it's third and got to
have it. I don't really want you to throw
the freaking ball away unless itmeans like, not taking, you

(03:06:04):
know, I remember Mahomes was playing the Dolphins in 2020,
just a few weeks before the Super Bowl, and he got sacked
for like 39 or 49 yards something.
Like that? You know, humongous crazy loss
of yardage, OK, like don't lose 10 plus yards on a sack on 3rd
and got to have it because that's going to impact, you

(03:06:27):
know, our punting position. It's going to impact what we're
doing on 4th down. But you know, 3rd and got to
have it. Or 4th down, Especially 4th
down. Don't.
Freaking throw the ball away on 4th down and and you know, if
you if you have to decide between like a much less than
5050 ball and forcing it in there versus taking a sack, take

(03:06:48):
the sack and hold on to the ball.
All right, So there's, there's going to be some sacks that I do
want you to take. So, you know, but some 10%
pressure to sack ratio. I'll take that all day long.
And I will go scream at the offensive line.
I'll go scream at the wide receivers.
That was never the issue in Chicago.
Like, you know, fans love to yell and scream about how the
offensive line wasn't doing a good enough job.

(03:07:09):
And like, yeah, they certainly would have games where the
pressures were absurdly high. But you know, what really wasn't
very high was their pressures within, you know, 3.8 to 4
seconds. A lot of those pressures were
coming at like the five and a half to six second mark.

(03:07:30):
And and again, you know, this iswhere it's this is where it's
hard. Those are QB generated
pressures. And so, you know, those are the
times when like, you have to sitdown and grind some tape and log
what you're watching and and youknow, just the the stat sheet is
not going to tell you enough. And you have to be able to look
at, OK, we're crediting, you know, the right tackle with the

(03:07:52):
pressure. But it was at 4 1/2 seconds and
the quarterback, you know, ran outside of the pocket like, I'm
sorry. So and that's it.
And that the pressure to sack ratio.
And that's why you can't, you can't hyper fixate on it because
Jane Daniels, it was over 20% inthe pressure SAC ratio.

(03:08:16):
And that was a big turn off, bigturn off in college or, or last
year in college, his final year,especially at LSU was like 20%
or something. It was like people fixated on
that of like, Oh no, this is a serious problem.
And but then you go watch, right?

(03:08:36):
And you go watch some of the pressures and it's like he's
kind of doing the Burrow thing alittle bit more as well of like
he's in a high leverage situation.
He's moving around, he's trying to get something out of it and
it just eventually does not get enough anything that he would
like to take a chance on. And so that's where like

(03:09:00):
especially like we, we've gone on a massive tangent, but it's I
think a good one. Well, this is where I like to
have a 24 year old don't quarterback.
Yeah, that's the other yeah. And and the other two guys who
were low from the class 7 and 6%, Pennix and Knicks 24 year
old players who have been through it and know what they

(03:09:20):
need to be doing. And so that's why, again, a lot
of these just I think if you're,if you're making boards, if
you're doing that, put these look, put these data points in,
they're nice to have. Look for, look for winning
quarterbacks at big time programs who are old enough to
be hosts on this podcast, which,you know, Cam rising.

(03:09:49):
Yeah. But yeah, that's the.
And so like, again, the, the, the, the metrics aren't going to
be perfect either. So use your eyes, see what you
could see to figure out what those pressure to sack things
are. Are they being inviting 'cause
they're just kind of, again, notprocessing fast enough or, you
know, trying to do too much? Are they trying to be hero too

(03:10:10):
much? Are they, you know, are those
pressures to sacks coming on early downs where you just
absolutely cannot have that putting yourself, you know, in a
hole that you can't climb out ofvery quickly?
Or are they coming on high leverage stuff where the sack,
maybe again to your coach, maybenot to the numbers, as we've
kind of talked about with the interception versus sack thing,

(03:10:32):
but maybe to your coaches who say, listen, we just don't want
to have a turnover here. But you know, if you want to buy
time and try to make something happen, great.
Just don't force something that you know, will put us, you know,
behind the 8 ball and, and you know, turnover or otherwise.
So, but you have to put it all together to put it all together.

(03:10:53):
And like very clearly Jayden didnot have a processing issue.
Jayden had a I'm running around like I have a star and Mario
Kart issue, which he didn't haveand he still got it.
Does that. That's why I was the RG3 stuff
worried me going to the same team.
But like everybody has somethingthat is that is not good numbers

(03:11:19):
wise, metric wise, film wise. Is it going to doom them?
That's the that's what all theseall these scouts and GMs go
through for a lot of the year. A lot of this, this the
predictive stats that that I like the best when it comes to

(03:11:43):
scouting college quarterbacks for the NFL pressure to sack
ratio, turnover worthy plays, completion percentage and yards
per attempt. Like those, those four very
predictive, stable metrics, you find a guy who's good in all
four of those, first of all, youwon't find one more than ever.

(03:12:04):
Just every few years, you know, like like every three years,
you'll find a guy who's good in all four of those.
Yeah, they tend to pan out. The other kind of this is this
is, I'm literally just throwing this out here because I think
it's interesting. CJ Stroud is an anomaly in the
last. It's like 20, 14 or 2015.

(03:12:30):
He's the only quarterback who came in and was, you know,
pretty successful pretty quicklywho did not have a really good
PFF rushing break. He was at like 59, which is just

(03:12:51):
a tick below dead average. Dead average is 60.0.
He was at 59. Or 58 something.
Like that, I think it's 59 and you know, but all the others who
were any kind of decent success,any kind of early on at all,
they're in like the 70s or higher for PFF rushing, which to
me, again, I don't think it's a fluke.

(03:13:13):
I, I don't, I, I think it kind of goes hand in hand with what
we were talking about with Mahomes and Brady.
Why, why did they always have, you know, the highest you have
rushing grade, the highest, you know, rushing EPA for play, that
kind of thing. It's about when you run and why
you run. And so I, I don't think it's a

(03:13:37):
coincidence. Yeah.
And. But it's not a one to one.
It doesn't mean the guys who have great rushing grades are
automatically going to be good in the NFL.
It was just interesting to me that Stroud was kind of the only
outlier of guy who found successpretty quickly who didn't also
happen to have. A a high rush.
Adam Huddle said that, but that Georgia game was fire.

(03:13:57):
I think you're referring to CJ Stroud's Georgia game and he
certainly that, you know, that was the, that was the one where
he did run. You know, there's a lot of angst
for, for two years prior to thatabout why won't they let him
run? You know, do they need to have

(03:14:18):
more of a rushing quarterback run game in order to win?
I think the answer was partly yes, But but, but even even in
that game, you know, I, I although he was impactful with
his feet, I wouldn't say like the decision making of when to
run it was exemplary. It just was effective.

(03:14:39):
Yeah, it's true. Listen, we're at 3 1/4 hours.
I don't know if this is a record.
I think this might be like our second or third longest that
we've done. But it's it's up there.
I'm proud of it. I'm proud of it.
This is a good stream. I think so.
Yeah. I think it was very good, very

(03:15:01):
productive, A lot of different topics.
The QB 1 might be a good one to put into like a mini little
video type of thing. Tell you what, you you get that
one. You handle the clip for that
one. I'll go back to last week and do
the wide receiver one we were supposed to do.
I like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, we'll report back in a week and see if we actually

(03:15:22):
did our videos. I'm going to do mine.
I I swear on this empty can of redacted that and if I don't,
then may that empty can of redacted Burr as much Venmo
question Derschel. Wait, wait, did I?
I did Holy crap, 21 minutes ago.You know what it's because

(03:15:45):
here's why here's why I missed it.
It is so late at night over herethat my phone went into do you
not disturb mode. So I didn't get the
notification. Let me see here Here's the let
me see it. So $10 donut from Derschel.
Thank you, Derschel, which player does the offense need to
build itself around? I mean, where are we excluding

(03:16:09):
Jordan Love from this? Because obviously the answer is
Jordan Love. So presume we're going to
exclude him because it's not a very interesting debate if we do
that. So he said push my question to
next week. Sounds like a perfect opener.
I think so because so first of all, before before we make the
decision, Dershow are you going to be available for the opener
next week? Because I don't want.

(03:16:31):
To. Lead with this if you're not
even here to here, but I I do agree that it's a it's a good
question that is deserving of a long answer and we like long
answers, but maybe not at 3 hours and 14 minutes 15 minutes.
That's true. The brotherhood sport says this
channel is underrated. Keep cooking.

(03:16:51):
Thank you, my brother. And by the way, we subbed to you
like. An hour ago we subbed to you.
We will keep soaking. Thank you so much.
Appreciate appreciate me as wellme say what I'll sub to him from
my main one as well. And sorry was all about the
drama. It was all about all the drama

(03:17:12):
with. The wide receivers.
You know, and we didn't, we didn't drama on the wide
receivers that much. But I do think it was still kind
of a productive discussion to goback to about how the how the
guys fit together and that wholeyear three-year three thing for
for Wicks and Reed. I I still feel like there's some

(03:17:34):
more Matthew Gold and Savion Williams conversations that we
need to have Maybe next week, maybe the week after.
I I I think there's more that and and it, you know it, to be
honest, it'll dovetail too with with our answer to Tyler's
question, which which player does the offense need to build
itself around me? There's obviously a few early

(03:17:55):
front runners that make a lot, make a lot of sense of Josh
Jacobs, a receiver, a receiver, whether that's golden, whether
that's Wicks. I would say in 2025, not sure
that any of us think it's SavionWilliams, but down the road if
he actually is achieving any type of potential.

(03:18:18):
Yeah. Certainly makes some sense.
I, I, I, I would say Wicks, Reed, Golden and Jacobs, like
I'd love to throw Tucker Craft in there, but you know, we're
not the Chiefs. We have wide receivers.
But, but, but I, I would say, though, that that's where the
conversation's going to start next week and we'll see where it

(03:18:40):
goes from there. Definitely.
And hopefully some, you know, one of our other running backs
Pops and I saw that question a while.
Ago. Fuck my Lloyds.
Yes, Drew, we're getting to thatnext week too.

(03:19:01):
Drew. Yes, I saw this one a while.
That was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
It was like 45 minutes ago. I don't think Drew's even even,
it was like just as we like started to switch into the QB
stuff with the prostyle offense.So that's why we'll get to that.

(03:19:28):
And then I also want to pin thisfor next week.
I don't think Steno knows what to do with Savion.
I wholeheartedly agree with thatstatement.
The bigger question is going to be does what Steno knows.
Matter. So maybe we'll pin that one for
for next week too. So I say as long as Derschel is

(03:19:49):
there at the start of the episode, maybe that's our opener
and we'll see how long we go on that.
And if he's not there, we'll have to hold it, because we can
hold it, you guys. Have.
Squandered 3 / 3 freaking hours with us a couple of
knuckleheads. I don't know what the heck you
do. So much.

(03:20:12):
So much wasted time, so much potential.
What are you doing? So many other things you could
be doing besides listen to us idiots.
Talk. About football, Hey, that's for
sure. I know we like you.
And in the words of the late, great, venerable Ed Paulson,
thanks for listening. Go back.

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