Nate Hobbs Too Tough? Packers Training Camp Explained!

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I am your host, JJ Leahy here with my good friend Jake
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Drew says faces are loaded for the Brewers right now.
I was watching the Orioles, BlueJays game.
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only argument that I have in favor of like football is that
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But like still, you know, you, you need 2 offensive lines.
Really. You couldn't have your offensive
line or your defensive line, especially your defensive line,

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you couldn't have them going outtwice in one day.
That's just. Yeah, that would.
That would be tricky. That would.
Be a couple a couple things we have to take care of before we
get into Packers training camp. First of all, thank you
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Ron Sanville says he's just herefor the Ed policy highlights.
And then we got Rev Trev in the chat here saying on vacation at
the lake, what did I miss? Well, I mean, you know, how how
plugged, how plugged in are you with the Packers training camp?
Because we're going to be talking about that.
Yes, I guess. I guess the question is, was he
asking how much does he missed of training camp or how much has

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he missed of this because we're only 7 minutes in for this, but
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So, all right, Rev Trev is trying to get us back on track.
Have we talked about Lloyd yet? No, we're we're going to do it
right now. And he also wants to know, will

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Marshawn Lloyd miss any time this season?
I will say so. We were well, last last week, we
debuted a new segment on this show called a Mark Murphy
Minute. And this is where we talk about
pop culture news and relate it to the Packers.
Yeah, and it seems like the Packers players, the veteran

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players are wanting to start their own segment on this show
of like, I'm trying to think of a good alliterative word, but
like, like insider info that they have from the players.
Josh Jacobs and Xavier McKinney both were giving us the inside

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scoops this week and and today about players.
And Josh Jacobs said that he doesn't think Marshawn Lloyd is
going to miss much at any time related to this injury.
So Gudi did come out and tell us.
So, you know, the the hubbub, ofcourse, was Nate Hobbs lays

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Marshawn Lloyd out in practice. And then the next thing you
know, Lloyd is injured and they got to get the cart and all
this, you know, and then he's got to go get looked at and all
that. And Matt Lafleur is mad at Nate
Hobbs and he's got to go do lapsor push ups or something like
that. You know, he's taken out of
practice for a while. And then today Goody goes to the

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podium and he's like, OK, the injury did happen on that play.
Had nothing to do with Nate Hobbs.
Marshawn just pulled a groin on that Rep.
You know. According to to Goody.
So do you believe Goody? You trust Goody?
Ron Sanville said Lloyd had a groin injury last year as well,

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correct? He had a couple injuries and I
think one of them. Was I?
I found the list. Was it not?
I found the list, yeah. So you had a.
Hand are you getting this from? Ouch, my groin.com.
No, this is my. Favorite website?
I found the injury history. I'm not going to do the
collegiate ones. I don't have to worry about
that. We obviously we, he had the ACL

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tear in college, but had a hamstring strain twice.
He it was in camp last year and then later in, in mid August and
then had the high ankle sprain in September and then the
appendicitis in November, exactly 2 months after the the
ankle sprain. And so now we've got the groin

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strain. So, yeah, it's, it's piling up
here. And I know, you know, I, I, I've
seen some folks out there just just keeping tabs and going,
hey, you know, are any of these round three guys from last year
going to play anytime soon? I, I don't know what to say to

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that. Are you like, some would be
like, are you new to the round 3development?
What's happening here? Did Tucker Kraft make you
forget? I don't you know, like Tucker
Kraft apparently just just removes everything that we've
we've we've talked about for a long time about the Packers in
the third round, which is great.I I, I love that, but it seems

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to be we're back to regularly scheduled programming here.
I I'm hoping for Lloyd, but it does.
We are trending in that direction as we as we head into
year two. Well, I.
I think it has to be said that it's not purely just curse,
right? No, there's it's it's not random

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because if you look at the thirdround picks that have not panned
out for the Packers, there are some trends of players who Jake
and I and many other people are raising their eyebrow at over
the drafting of all right, Murray Rogers, like I chose to
root for Murray once he was wearing the green and gold

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because that's what I do. But I did not like that draft
pick at all. Now Shawn Ryan, I liked Shawn
Ryan, I thought was a good pick.It was a good prospect.
Tucker Craft Actually, actually,I just I was searching for
something earlier today and I, or maybe it was yesterday and I
saw a an old tweet of mine whereI was saying to Twitter, Hey,

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here's here it is here. They a Packers, a draft
prospect. You should know his name is
Tucker Craft out of South DakotaState.
I said just an extremely solid all prospect all across the
board, checks every single box you're looking for and has the
6th best athletic plus college production combo in his class.

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Also caught 100% of catchable targets in 2022.
And then I in the comments then back then in when was this week,
April 2023 advocated for us drafting him with our with our
second round pick. And by the way, props to who was
it? Yo go hey, for the folks out

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there who are have a couple tabsopen hit go to just just just go
to the search bar and put from Jake NFL draft Tucker craft and
have a good. Do you have a trillion tweets
about them? There's quite a few, yeah.
Here's here's the comment I was looking for.
Gregory Macarella says this could be the second tight end

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the Packers picked in this draft.
Spot on. And I did get into it with
somebody about Luke Musgrave in the comments there.
They were like, man, you know, Luke is, you know, super
underrated. I'm like, he can't block though
I don't like that Luke Musgrave can't block.
Yeah, it's again, I think that'sthat's the thing and I think
like the there's a really good article about that about like

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different blocking responsibilities, right, for
different positions. Musgrave can have blocking
responsibilities. They are just not why tight end
blocking responsibilities, right.
Like he can, he can go get ancillary pieces in the run fit
and kind of take care of that. But it's the true inline stuff,
right? That, you know, digging out
defensive ends, right, helping your tackle on a like combo

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block, like some of that stuff where you are.
And there's some concepts in therun game where you are the
priority, right? Like the the run is coming your
way and you must make said block.
So, you know, that's he, he, he,he's amazing.
Yeah, bro, Yeah, bro. Yeah, you and I were both mega

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geeked when we took Tucker Craft.
I I need to go find I was I was in AI was in like a like a coast
dream on day 2. But I have the reaction.
So you look at that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Look at this Look at this. Want want big Yeah, want, want.

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I put it with TN Titan 3. It's there.
The the the take is there. We could see it.
It's from 2023. It's right there above that one.
It's the one above. Hey, I'll, he's right.
There, you know what? Like.
The the it's all there. It's all there.
I that was that was one of the three.
I think I was like geeked out ofmy mind about like one of the

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three like have reached that tippy top, you know, feel Sean
Ryan drew. If if he secures the starting
spot and like does well or findsa way to be like the long term
center or something like great, that is that is awesome for him.
I am rooting for him. I've been like so rubber bandy

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on Sean Ryan from from like thisaspect of like, well, he does do
that. Thing he's doing that thing but
like no, no I. Really like him in college.
Pro. I liked him in college.
Yeah. Wanted to see him in year 1 in
Green Bay. Saw him in year 2 in Green Bay
and said, I'm good, I'm good. I don't need to say any more of

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this. But like, that's when people
caught on fire for him and they go Shawn Ryan.
You know, I saw some film cut UPS of him as a run blocker on
on Twitter. And so I know that he's elite.
Like, OK, well, he also has to pass block and he can't do that.
And then he's inconsistent aboutthe run block.
And so now, you know, here we are.

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We're in what you're for of Shawn Ryan.
All right. Now.
You're for OK. Is.
That right? Yeah, your force.
It is So like, dude, they keep trying to replace you because
you're not that good. Like take the hint.
The consistency needs to improve.

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For sure. They just drafted Anthony Belton
this year. They signed Aaron Banks for a
bajillion quadrillion dollars. They're still trying to work
Jordan, Jordan Morgan in a guard.
They want you to be replaced. Chris says GOOT said Tyron
Hopper is a second round town. He did say that.

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He has said that about all of his bad third round picks.
Amari Rogers, OK, remember the second round he took Josh Meyer
and then he said he immediately started working phones because
he wanted to get the very next pick in that draft so he could
draft Amari Rogers? I'm just saying he said this

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before. Hopper looks pretty good in
camp. This year, that's great.
That's great. We like that.
I feel like I'm the biggest Tyrant hopper.
Hater you probably are, but thata everybody's got to be a top
hater for somebody probably. Might be a top hater for a few

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players. But like again, if he if he
doesn't like, if he doesn't likeChristian Welch stuff for like
was that who was was that who was balling last pre season at
linebacker? I say what?
What was ball? Was he balling last year in the
preseason? Christian Welch.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, so if he does that in the

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preseason, like OK, I'm excited to have him, you know, OK, we're
taking the steps the right direction.
He seems to be in the right spots, like doing all the good
stuff, like awesome, you know, get maybe in the rotation
perhaps like like seeing those steps forward are are important.
So like, again, not not going towrite anybody off yet heading
into year 2, but it's just yeah,it you want to see something

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here in the next month. Revtrev said the teams hit and
miss at every round. True.
That's true. LVN is a first router who hasn't
hit yet. Will Morgan 3rd rounders are
less likely to hit for sure. I mean, look, you got to give
people at least until year 3, all right?
Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, but I'm also not going to.Ignore the like, buy the hype.
And drink the kool-aid about players who I've just never seen
anything from. Like Tyron Hopper, I've just
never seen anything from that would make me think he's ever
going to be anything. Vanessa, you've seen it a couple
times and you're just like, OK, put it all together.
Become a consistent, reliable starter for us.

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That's what we need. And.
It's time you're 3. No, I, yeah, I think what was I
gonna say? Yeah.
I mean, there are trends though,right?
Like there are certain things where you go not not great like
like New England drafting receivers.
Like if you like that receiver, you're kind of like, oh, that's
not I don't, I don't like that, you know, type of thing or

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Cincinnati pretty much drafting defensive player, especially
defensive lineman Cincinnati. That has been a a very worrisome
trend. Dolphins online.
Like there, there are trends outthere.
There are every every scouting staff like if you look up and
down you go, Ah, they just don'tdo this.
Well, like nobody's perfect out there there.

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There are the the top GMs even they have like a spot where they
maybe just aren't the most comfortable and the scouting
process doesn't work for them. They go to free agency for that
more often than not than to kindof, you know, ease that, ease
that hole in the roster. So there are those things.
And if it's, you know, if Green Bay's just the third round, like
I think we could, I think we could stuff like that.

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It's a certain position necessarily, right.
It's just kind of like, oh, theyjust have some weird grades on
some of these third round picks and it's like, well, on day
three they just goody continues to clean up.
So is it like an overwhelmingly concerning thing?
No, it just happens to be just kind of strange trying to be
going on. So but yes, are are are they
going to hit more often than notin the third round?

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Of course not. No, but you know it's out.
There, Ron says if Ryan is even a solid number six lineman, it
still seems to be a solid third round pick.
No, I I think in the third I'd I'd still like to be drafting
starters. Frankly, I think that's fair.
Especially when you look at the the team's hit rate, the Packers

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hit rate in the fourth round. For sure.
The strategy is flawed in the third round.
Guti has acknowledged that. So, yeah.
But I I would say this kind of feels like we're still kind of
in make it or break it territorythis year for Shawn Ryan.
Yeah, you know, I, I think how this season goes kind of writes

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the vinyl chapter on was he a good draft?
Pick or not, right? Yeah, I think, I think it's hard
because I think, yeah, on one hand you're right.
Like do you want starters in thethird round?
Are you looking for those? Absolutely.
How does when when the dust settles after four years, you
know, is a fourth round or sorry, is a third round player
like being a number six lineman who is helpful during injury?

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Absolutely. I'm just going to read off some
of the third round picks real quick from that draft.
Sure. The Jaguars kicked it off first
pick in the third round. Luke Fortner, center.
I do believe the Jaguars broughtin Hainesy who was the six O
line in Tampa to win that centerjob.
So that's we're not off to a great start.
Josh Zaydu from the Giants, he goes from North Carolina.

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I. Don't know if I've ever heard
that name. I've I, I remember him.
Don't think he has a starting role.
Tennessee Titans Nicholas Petit Ferrer, offensive tackle, Ohio
State. I don't think that's gone well.
Seattle soaks Abe Lucas. He's done OK.
He has struggled. The state I loved him, he has
struggled. The statement, that's really the
biggest thing. Right.

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Washington, yeah, yes. Washington State.
Washington State, yes. Pass protecting for all those
gunslingers out there running around playing QB Bernard Ryman.
Colts. OK, I had an.
Early was a more consensus was Moray consensus top 35 to 40

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player going in the third. So in theory, right, you're
looking at a, you know, consensus wise early second
round pick there got just got a huge deal.
So that's one so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
One so far, Dylan Parham in Vegas, I think there's some, I
think he is taking over one of the guard spots this year.
There's some some excitement around him in Year 4, but again,

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hasn't really taking that step. And then you got Sean Ryan,
unless I'm missing somebody in the compensatory picks.
There is one Logan Bruss guard Wisconsin to the Los Angeles
Rams. Don't believe he is starting.
So yes, you want to look for forstarters.
And then there's a couple guys you know at the start of round
4, Daniel Fallele, Minnesota, he's played guard for Baltimore.

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They are still looking to upgrade though.
They they, they, they're OK withhim, but they want him more as a
reserve player. Then Max Mitchell went to The
Jets, don't believe he is starting a tackle.
I think they've got a a pair that they feel confident about
going into the season. So yeah, so it's it's a tough
range. You get your Rymans in there who
was, I mean, far and away betterthan Trevor Penning somehow

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went, you know what, 57 spots before him somehow anyway.
But you know, again, they're. Think I I think I'm really not
liking Trevor Penning. Oh, same.
I I couldn't believe that the Saints did that in the first
round, but yeah. So, yeah, it's ever since 2017,
it's been they they got 2017 draft was all timer and then

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they got greedy and then they traded up for Marcus Davenport.
Give me the Packers first round pick.
No complaints. Thank you so much.
The Saints need a new GM really bad.
Yeah. It's kind of time, I think, but
yeah. So that's what you're looking at
as as far as like the offensive lineman there.
Eris says I'm OK with a more Mahler type if he's not

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atrocious pass blocking wise. Again, my my whole problem with
Shawn Ryan is he's just not reliable.
He can put together a nice game of pass blocking and then I'm
kid, I'm not even kidding. Like like the next week he will
put a performance out there thatis like the.
Worst. Ever seen in your life?

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Yeah, it's some head scratchers.It's kind of like what, what,
what, what happened in the last week.
I it, it just feels like he can't stay focused on what he's
doing. Like, I don't know, it doesn't
seem like he's tired. It seems like he, I mean,
there's a couple games I guess where he looks tired, but it
just seems like, I don't know, he's got like hype himself up

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and, and stay focused and then he's kind of riding on that high
and loses focus. I don't know, it's my only
theory. Just stack, just got stacked
games. So we got to do.
You got to do in this. I'll let you take this one here.
I mean Morgan, I'll eat Jake, myCo host Jake, I'll let you take
this comment. Wow.

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Morgan looks like he belongs. Oh, OK, OK to OK Drew's saying
to me Morgan looks like he belongs, but hard to tell with
offensive lineman in practice. I I think it seems like anyway
that the plan would I, I don't know.
I, I, I struggled to figure out what I there is a plan, right,
with Morgan and Belton. I don't know what there are

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options though, right? And that's what makes it super
interesting. Like is Morgan, they they want
him to be a guard long term. Do they want him to take over
for walk or do they want Belton to take over for walk or do they
want Belton to go to the right side in time to play in the left
side in the future? Right.
They have options. So that's, that's what I'm most
excited to see is how Morgan looks in the preseason, how

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Belton looks in the preseason. I know Belton did Belton have an
injury? Was Belton, he had one like late
last week, Yeah. I don't know if he got back.
Is he? Is he?
Has he been? Practicing well, the whole team
is banged up right now. I wish we, I wish they were
doing injury. Reports not like the Bills.
The bill. Have you seen the Bills injury
report? No.
Is it really bad? Oh there's like 1314 names on

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it. Jeez.
Not all of them are starters, but like you have a a running
back in the rotation. Maxwell Hairston got injured
recently, the first round pick. I don't know how bad it was.
The fact that there isn't heavy news probably suggests it's It's
OK. I know the, I know the Cowboys.
I know you're kind of getting ittoo.
Yeah, the Guyton for Dallas fractured his knee.

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I did see that. Luckily wasn't an ACL but he is
going to miss some time so it's like.
Gyre's hurt already in Baltimore.
Yeah, Gyre that out. That might be a lingering thing.
They're they're saying that he had to have his knee drained,
which I think I did see that. I think there's not much more
that you could say besides getting his knee drained that

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would make the entire Packers fan base go OK.
Nope, never mind. I get it.
I don't need to reload the Bakhtiari era like let's.
I hate that. I'm glad you I'm going.
To be upset if he doesn't. I really want him to play well.
Oh yeah, absolutely. I love Junior and like I I
really stay too. Hoping we can he can stay

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healthy because it it would be very fun to see that unit in
Baltimore healthy and bawling. They're already missing Ardarius
Washington, who's going to be their third safety this year,
right, which stinks. I I hate that, especially
because he just started to really catch fire.
It was almost like a Bryce Youngsituation, right?
But a guy who's undrafted, you know, you probably don't care as

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much about like, you know, everybody was Bryce Young.
Oh, there he is. And it's like, well, Ardarius
Washington doing kind of the similar thing.
So it sucks about the sport, man.
It's just can be all there one day and then, you know, the next
day you might be missing the season.
That's what's tough about this So.
And yeah, Chris, the guys went saying was on a Hall of Fame

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track. Yeah, it really was.
The other thing was. Was that dominant?
Was like I I am so appreciative of the way that he left Green
'cause he went to Baltimore and has not been talking crap about
the Packers. He still says like, oh man, I

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love my time with the Packers. Love that team.
Like it's kind of refreshing to see a long time Packers player
who clearly loved being here notall butt hurt when they leave
and to an NFC North team and start crapping on how like the
Packers are the worst in the entire world.
Oh man, my teammates were so mean to me, right?

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So I, I just, I, I really want to see Jair Ball out this year.
Would love a Packers, Ravens, Super Bowl.
Oh my gosh. Sign me up for that.
I want that so bad. Let's have a day that will be
that will be special. What would you rather have, a
Packers Ravens Super Bowl or a Packers Steelers Super Bowl?
Oh. Man, it's good that none of my

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Steelers buddies watch this. Probably because I would
definitely say Baltimore, not that I'm not rooting, You know,
be cool to see Rodgers get a second one just simply because I
think he's so much better than everybody who has one, which
stinks. That's sick from Drew Grand Slam
Brewers love that, love that take all three from the Cubs.

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But yeah, I I think I think it'dbe truthfully.
I mean, we're going to see it Sunday Night Football.
I'm going to be there I'm going to the Pittsburgh game.
Oh yeah, nice with those ugly uniforms.
Green Bay better run them off the field.
But you know, I it it would be cool, but I think it would be a
personally, I think it would be a better game with Baltimore in

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that I think it'd be I think it'd be much more satisfying to
beat Baltimore, who I think I probably myself included.
I feel like they're the favorites in the AFCI know they
haven't proven that they've gotten to that like that that
summit to play at the summit yet, but like if they didn't
turn the ball over like the bills just couldn't stop him
last year and I think they wouldhave ran through the chiefs.

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I was really hoping we would seeeagles Ravens because that match
up early in the season was such a good one.
It was it was tough. It it looked like it looked like
AUS open. The defenses were putting so
much pressure on on on Hertz andthen the offense for Philly and
then Lamar as well to just kind of make excellent place like
they were forcing you to do liketo execute at an extremely high

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level like that. That would have been an awesome
Super Bowl. So I would I would really like
to see Green Bay reach the mountaintop by beating A-Team
like Baltimore to finish it out.That would be.
Awesome, that would be nice it. Would be very cool to see 'cause
they're just they, they just don't they don't have any holes
like the offensive line. Maybe they're kind of looking at
they're they're kind of re patching some spots, right, But

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I had defenses going to be a headache, man.
Yeah, I still have some questions about their cornerback
room a little bit, even with Jair there.
They do well. I mean, if if Josh stays
healthy, they've got Marlon Humphrey in the slot, he'll
probably go there. Wiggins, you know, had some some
really excellent moments as. I I question Wiggins.

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I really. But he is, again, he is not the
biggest, right? He's got the slight frame.
He's what, 1:00 somewhere in thelow one 80s I think.
So like that's, you know. Kind of like NS rake straw for
the for the Lions. I was kind of out on both of the
those guys due to their size. Tough to hang out there at that
size, but Starks and Hamilton, Ican't believe, can't believe

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they let that happen. Drew asks.
Could Christian Wilkins help us?A million percent yes.
I'm all in. Christian Wilkins could
definitely help this team. One of the, I think one of the,
you know, one of those guys at the top of the draft you're
looking at defensive tackle going, yeah, that'd be, that'd
be kind of nice. Him Simmons, that was him,

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Simmons, Oliver and Quinn. And I think right, that was
yeah. He was 2019, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, there was one more that wasn't there.
Maybe. Wait, who is the ban?
Who's the other Bama boy? Rayquan was the year after
Rayquan. Davis was the year I know that
for sure. That may have been who you're

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thinking. But there.
There might. Be 19.
I think he is 2020 because I remember the Dolphins pick him
in a second. Let me check.
I I feel like that was the COVIDdouble check.
Yeah, Rayquan 56 to the Dolphinsin 2020.
I'm going to check 2019 if there's another.
Maybe it wasn't a Bama guy. Quinnon, Oliver Wilkins, Dexter

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Lawrence and Jeffrey Simmons. That's right.
Yeah. There were two, two Clemson
fellows. That's right.
Two Clemsons. Yeah, that.
And then Tillery went at the endof the first of the Chargers.
Yeah. So, so yeah, I, yeah.
Wilkins could help. Jake yes.
How are? JJ.

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Yes, I am in on the Packers trying to win a bidding war with
the NFL for Wilkins, even with the stuff that his former
teammates and coaches are sayingabout him.
Yeah. I mean, they're it's it's.

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Far and away biggest hole and issue on on the Packers roster.
It's the number one thing that Ithink not only can but like,
likely will hold them back in their biggest games against the
NFC, Drew said. That stuff sounded like a

(35:34):
nothing burger. There was anything from Miami,
right that. Stuff.
Say what, Jake? There wasn't anything from
Miami, was there? No, I don't think we heard
anything from there. I mean, he he had some incidents
where he's like grabbing other players weird in games like he
grabbed Josh Allen. No.

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And he, he did do that in the college book.
Yeah. I was going to say he did do
that to us. Yeah.
But like, listen, you know, whatever.
Hey, Rasheed walks. Sounds like y'all.
Rebecca, y'all know? Y'all know what happened?
We got Rasheed Walker on the team.
Rasheed Walker I mean, we kind of, we saw, we, I'll, I'll get
to see. The Rasheed Walker I.
Haven't pulled this up in years.Hey, Rasheed Walker did

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something, you know he did something, that's for sure.
So trying to see like what's thebest way?
Can I just like get to his loop?Or something like I would prefer
Wilkins to keep his hands to himself.
Like that seems like personal space violation but like.
I feel like I just I just googled the Rasheed Walker thing

(36:38):
and the Here's a headline Sketchy video surfaces of new
Packers tackle Rasheed Walker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm I'm trying to upload this. For our yeah, that'd.
Be nice for our thing. But I, I think if it seems, as

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far as I can tell, it seems likethe thing with Christian Wilkins
is just that he like got old with his teammates quick like
that. People were just tired of them
that he was annoying. That's what it seems like, that
they were just really ready to be done with him.
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, I'll, I'll put up with it for a

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year. We don't have defensive tackles.
He's a great defensive tackle. He shouldn't be available in
free agency. Is Rayquan Davis signed with a
team? Yeah, yeah, 2026.
Why is that coming up on spell track anyway?

(37:47):
Yeah, I mean, there just isn't like high profile players out
there right now, so. Except for Christian Wilkins.
Right, right. Exactly.
Yeah. I mean, funny enough, both are

(38:08):
both are 2019 free agent signeeson the Edge are still available.
But yeah, I mean, you know, it could be worth at least reaching
out at the very, very least. But yeah, it would be nice to
have a little bit more. I I know there was some talk

(38:29):
about Nazir Stackhouse today. There was some.
We should talk about Nazir because he's been making plays
every single day in training. Before we go there real quick,
did we? Did we answer this also?
This has been brought to you by the Mark Murphy minute, by the
way, as we interpret it, about to.

(38:49):
Well, I do have our Mark Murphy minute.
Do you want to hear it? Yeah, we should do that.
But I really quick because I know we were talking about
Lloyd. Do you think Lloyd misses time
this year at all? Jeff?
Jeff Jacobs said that he thoughtthat.
Marshawn would miss little to notime.
I'm going to ask it in general, right?
Like not this injury. Do you think he gets something
else that like, yeah, he sits out a game or two or three, you

(39:12):
know? I feel like I mean.
Yes, I don't, you know, I'm not hoping that happens, but like, I
don't know if if I if I had to guess, I fear that he might.
So yeah. So I want to make sure we get
that one, but yeah, you're good.Let's go to the Mark Murphy
minute. We'll talk a little, talk a
little stack house. Yeah, so.

(39:36):
Mark Murphy Minute So here's ourour today's pop culture.
I need a little Jingle to play for this, but Busta Rhymes is
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That's interesting. And so Busta Rhymes named
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He was in the NFL for just two years, 19851986.
And then he proceeded to play the 88 and 89 seasons in the
CFL. But in the NFL he played for
just one team. He was a fourth round draft pick
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He played, he was active for just two games against the
Packers because, you know, we weren't played twice a year back
then. And so his debut game against
the Packers, the Packers smashedthe Vikings 2717, which they're
going to do again this year. So there you go.
Here's your Mark Murphy minute. Here's how pop culture ties into

(40:50):
the Green Bay Packers. Nice.
All right. And then I lost my thing.
Here we go. Roll with Stackhouse.
So, you know, we drafted Warren Brinson, but his teammate then
got signed by the backers in ourdraft free agency.
And like immediately, basically day one, a lot of draft necks

(41:15):
and Packers fans were saying, like, dude, I'd kind of rather
have Nazir over Warren Brinson. And I think you and I both said
that too. I can't remember if we said that
but we liked the Nazir Stack house signing.
He was not our favorite UDFA signing, but he was no.
We know that. JDJ Yeah.
JDJ and we liked Tamar Johnson as well, but JDJ was not.

(41:38):
Yes, yes, he was. But again, I think the biggest
thing with Stackhouse was like, hey, like this is a a player who
you look at and go, OK, help on early downs.
What was he? He was he was a big part of that
of Georgia, right, Holding the point of attack.
Take the double teams, big dude kind of play that nose tackle

(41:58):
thing. And the kind of Brinson was more
of like, oh, you know, you can kind of maybe move him around a
little bit, a little more explosiveness, a little more
popping hands, right type of thing.
So a little bit of contrasting styles.
But right as as we were talking like what Green Bay needs more
is kind of that guy in the middle of like, hey, like I can

(42:19):
take on the center and the guard.
I can free up Cooper, I can freeup Walker, right?
Like I can get, you know, give guys more chances on the one on
ones to shed blocks like that. That's a big deal, right, for a
player like for a player like like Stackhouse.
So I think that's the biggest thing with.
Us, but that's what they need. Probably the bigger need on the

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Packers defense. Right, Princeton is for.
Instance probably the bigger need like you think.
It's a type of. Of like just a more multiple
player you mean? Yeah, because they they need
reps like, yeah, they, they do need a big body.
But like, it's not like Devante Wyatt can't do that.

(43:04):
Yeah, I mean, I would prefer he not because I when when he's one
gapping, I want him to be able to go, go, go, right.
And I think that will help him like having a guy like like
Slayton, right, with the very least can on early downs get you

(43:25):
into more favorable in more favorable spots.
Second and third, let happily unleash some pressure stuff,
right. You're bringing in guys like
Oliver, you're letting Simmons do some stuff.
Who knows? But like Cooper's obviously
moving all over the place like that, like that will help you in
certain spots. And I think that's that's why I
think I got excited about sack house.

(43:46):
And again, it sounds like kind of circle back to it like seem
some people are are impressed atthe.
Moment let me ask you this if ifboth of those guys make the 53
and like today or we sit here, Iwould say I think both of them
make the 53 yeah, if they both make the hard.
Not to. Put your money where your mouth

(44:08):
is. Which one of them plays more
snaps on defense this season? Do do they like Kenny playing
one tech that this could be a thing all year I.

(44:37):
They had them play in defensive end, you know.
I want to go sack house. I'll put my Bunny where my mouth
is in sack house. OK.
Just 'cause I think I just base all the body types in the room,
like they have more of these attacking threes that are gonna
be better. Just shaded a little further

(44:58):
from the ball. Not shaded, I guess.
Just lined up a little further away from the ball, right sack
house. Maybe not on the field as much
to the passing downs, Even though people are saying, you
know, he's been pretty quick outthere for the size.
Like, I don't know, I I guess I don't know what the weight is at
right now. How about?
How about? How about this for I'll?
I'll put my name, put my name onit, put my name on it.

(45:18):
How's this for prediction? Despite the complete lack of any
depth at the position, Warren Brinson logs 0 snaps on defense
this season and and then Stackhouse plays.
You know a A at least a respectable amount for a rookie

(45:40):
undrafted free agent. Yeah, I like it.
What, what do you think they do?Drew says Stackhouse could get
some work in goal line. I mean, what, what, what do you
think they're going to, what's the plan for goal line?
Like, I mean, are you, are you going to load up on linebacker
here? Are you going to, are you going
to have like everybody that theyhave three small, like every,

(46:05):
I'm just saying everybody they have is small.
They don't have anybody big on defense.
It's Rashawn Geary and Lucas VanNess and then that's it like
nobody else. And Kenny, no, I mean, you know,
Kenny is. It kind of depends on what you
play Kenny at, but just he's nota nose tackle size not.
Really. No.

(46:25):
Like goal line you, you put in Lucas Van Ness inside, I guess I
don't know. But then, but then that means
you got to put Kingsley in out, you know, out there.
No, I think goal line out. I mean, if goal line has, what
are we going to have? Are we going to have 3D TS?
I think who are? 3D TS beat it's it's.

(46:46):
Probably, probably Wyatt Stackhouse and oh man, probably
going to be Kenny. I mean, you know, it's.
Probably Christus Pecker's goingto be the smallest defensive
line in the league this year. I hard to argue you got other
small guys on on the run through.
Too. Like, yeah, I mean, it's yeah,

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I'm trying. I mean like.
Like Kingsley is small, you're calling that?
But like, if, if, yeah, 'cause again, what, what are we, what
are we calling a defensive end, right?
Like, obviously the 3-4 defensive ends are going to be
bigger than the four, three defensive ends when it comes to
like edge players, right? The 34 teams are not going to
have guys as big as Van Ness andGary on the quote, UN quote edge

(47:32):
because, right, their job is a little bit different.
So they'll be bigger there because they're in the 4/3.
But defensive tackle wise, like they again, Brooks hovers around
that 300 kind of like Wyatt, youknow what, 3O5310 maybe not even
310. Like Stackhouse was like 320 at
Georgia. Is he going to stay at that?

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You know, Kenny is always been in that 303 O 5 type of thing.
So yeah, it's not the biggest. That'd be interesting to find
out like where they actually rank so.
Too old for this. Wants to address our title for

(48:14):
science live stream, he says. Mate, Hobbs is not too tough,
not too rough. This team needs a spark and he
brings it. I'm kind of there.
Like I get, I get the hey, let'snot injure our own guys in
practice. It wasn't the cube, but you know
he's not hitting Jordan Love, right?
Like it's. Not Jordan Love.

(48:38):
I'm sorry. These guys are going to get
tackled. You know the let's call it like
the Matt. Lafleur defenses The Matt
Lafleur teams have never been like this.
You know, rough punch you in themouth type teams ever at any
point. Like you realize we have to play
the Lions this year, right? You realize we're going to play

(48:59):
fill with the Eagles in the postseason.
Yeah, the 49ers are in this conference.
Like, you don't get to play, I don't know, the Bengals.
Every week, you know, as much aswe love to dog on them, like,
hey, Joe Tooney's in Chicago now, you think he's not going
to, you know, roughhouse people in the trenches, He is so.

(49:21):
You think the the lions are not gonna, you know, kick you in the
shins and hope the cameras don'tcatch it?
They're not gonna, you know, come stomp on your jaw like this
is what they do. Yeah.
It's it's I would rather, I would rather be like, hey, dot,
it's like, it's like the QB thing, right, Where it's like
you're just, you're being too tentative.
You're not being aggressive and that means you're holding the
ball, you know, too long of like, no, I'd rather rein you in

(49:42):
and taking chances because you, you know, because of that
confidence you have rather than like being too timid, right?
That's the same thing like rather be Lafleur cussing
everybody out because they're not, you know, tackling or
they're not playing physical enough.
No, absolutely not. Like I get it.
Like, you know, you're saying it's it's chopping the legs.
Like I mean, watch cornerbacks tackle.

(50:04):
Half the time they're doing thatlike they don't they're not big
on like shoulder into the waist,right?
Like they're not doing that. Nobody's doing that right?
It's it's it's waist down to ankle wrap UPS, right?
They're not laying big hits. So, yeah, I mean, I, I would,
you know, rather see some physicality, like it's a shame

(50:26):
that it ends up in an injury, but it sounds like it might not
have been what caused the injury.
It might have, you know, it would, it would seem like a, a
soft tissue, like the groin would be more of a, you know,
planting. And again, not, not this is,
this is not medical advice. This is not, you know,
diagnosis. It just seems like I, I remember
having this in high school for baseball, which is, again, makes

(50:48):
me nowhere near qualified, but it seems like more of like
you're you're planting your footand it it, it, it just stretches
in an odd way like I, I so I, I just yeah, I.
I have I have the quote from Matt.
Lafleur I don't want to see guysget hurt, but like again, be
physical. I feel like Carrington Valentine
is going to feed off of this. Also, by the way, like I think

(51:11):
Hobbes being, you know, that kind of guy in that room is
like, yeah, Valentine's is goingto be all in 100%.
I feel like Oladapo would 100% be that guy too.
Like, hey, now let's do this. Let's hit, you know, type of
thing. So again, I know you want to be
safe, right? We're just starting out.
But again, some of these guys are, some of these guys are

(51:33):
nuts. You hear them.
You hear some of these guys talk, you know, like Brian
Dawkins, he was nuts and like the best way for Philly back in
the 2000s. So well.
Hobbs has been endearing himselfto me this week.
You know, I didn't like the signing, but he's been endearing
himself to me. First of all, the reporters are
asking him like, hey, what do you think about these throwbacks

(51:55):
like these? These are cool.
And he's like, dog, don't talk to me about the 30s and 40s.
Like it's been 15 freaking yearssince the Packers have won a
Super Bowl. Can we talk about that?
Can we talk about like bringing the Lombardi Trophy back to
Green Bay this year? I'm like, OK, it's like, hey,
they're not. I see you like, you know, I, I
see you like I, I like where your heads at on this.

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And then the next thing you know, he's like, you know, out
there demon mode, taking people's heads off.
And I'm like, haven't seen that in a Green Bay uniform in a
while. For sure.
So I don't know, I'm I'm starting to get a little more on
the Nate Hobbs strain. Yeah, Chris says Packers need to
embrace Hobbs attitude if they want to ring.

(52:39):
I couldn't agree more. That is 100% accurate.
Again, I I get what you know, Eric Joy's saying of like, hey,
don't chop the T bite's legs type of thing.
And, and again, I do, I think, you know, it was kind of
practice of like Hobbes is like,man, this is what I do.
I come downhill. I make some play.
Like it came back to him in the moment of like, Hey, we're
playing football. Like, you know, that I, I just,

(53:04):
it happens. Like I, I'm not saying we should
be, you know, doing that everyday, but it's like, you
know, I, I like the idea of bringing fire, right?
Like Hobbes should be all up in Golden's face all the time,
right? Send the rookies through the
fire, be in Wix's face, be in Reed's face.
Like push these guys. I, I, I again, I, I, I get what

(53:26):
you're saying, but like, don't chop the legs and like, I, I
just think in the moment probably came over him like,
hey, we're playing football. But I do like the like embracing
toughness, embracing the mentality, right?
The demeanor of like playing corner and like what some of
these guys do. So you know, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm

(53:47):
good. It's a one time thing.
It happens. You know, Hobbes goes man, yeah,
I was just, you know, I was a little too aggressive.
It happens. But like, hey, we're, you know,
we're in football. I just came over me like, yeah,
sure, no problem. Happens like getting people's
face at the joint practices, especially like don't back down.
So, you know, but yeah, so I I that that's the way about that.

(54:12):
I think, you know, I mentioned acertain player.
Maybe we should get there guys, all the time of the town right
now. I mean, there's like putting the
cobbles. Gold's been the D BS faces.
I mean, man, Matthew Golden having himself a day again.
The clip that was shown of him like working back to the ball.

(54:33):
I think it was on Valentine if I'm not mistaken, and just kind
of going up. It was, yes.
The ball was definitely under thrown.
It was Oh yes. And it was under thrown, go up,
make a play on it. Like love that attitude, love
fighting through contact to go make a play like that.
And then just obviously rips through the coverage for another

(54:53):
ball that was kind of a little under thrown.
They they've finally shown that clip of that one, finally caught
it. And it was like, yeah, it was a
little under thrown. He was he was still ripping
through the defense for what was5560 something like that yard
touchdown. Like give me all of that folks
like at some point it's like they don't play the preseason,

(55:14):
but you you get some reps of thepreseason and get the heck out
of there. We need you for the regular
season. I I just JJ what what are your
thoughts? I mean, it just seems like it's
happening all the time of like, hey, he's caught touchdown a red
zone. Hey, he's doing this.
He's doing this like he's John with some of the DBS.
Like how do you, how are you feeling?
Like I'm I'm jazzed up as much as I am about Hobbs.

(55:37):
Packers have been needing a guy like this in that wide receiver
room. Look, there were Josh Simmons of
his has been killing it so far. That won't get.
To the Chiefs, if if, if he is super good, I.
Wanted us to go. Yeah, if he's super good, I will
be a little upset. I will.

(55:57):
But like, it's just like, man, just sit there.
But but like. Yeah, but you know.
Is Golden about to unlock something in our offense?
Like we have needed a dog out there Who is going to fight
through contact and go back and get the ball?
Who's going to build Jordan's confidence?

(56:18):
Just keep chucking that pigskin at him and like elevate the
competition in that room and geteverybody else on his level like
Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed has it in him.
But like he so much of last year, he was not being a dog,

(56:39):
was not being the dog that he isinside us.
And I'm sorry, like I'm I'm finewith placing the blame for that
on Matt Lafleur. He's kind of a, you know, not
super fiery like, hey, let's just, you know, play calm, cool,
collective football type of guy,which is fine, but I don't want

(57:01):
that in my skill position players.
I mean, I don't want it in my offensive line.
I don't want it in my defensive line.
I don't want it in my cornerbacks or my wide
receivers. All right.
I want guys who are going to runthrough your face.
We're going to go make plays whohave huge personalities.
We saw the clips from, I don't know, a month ago, Matthew

(57:23):
Golden talking about the Packers.
And just like, you listen to himtalk and you're like, you don't
hear guys in green and gold talking like that.
You know, Rams players will talklike that.
Eagles players talk like that. Packard, I mean, this is very
upsetting to my afternoon tea that a Packers player is, you
know, using language like this. Maybe it's a good thing.

(57:45):
Yeah. Maybe this is the chip and the
edge that we need. I'm all in, man.
Yeah. So, like, I wanted Josh Simmons,
but I'm so excited to see Matthew Golden play football and
I am. I'm getting sure what he can do.
You and I were were big on Matthew Golden when he was at
Texas. Like I we could not stop gushing

(58:06):
about him after that Ohio State game.
Oh, yeah. Oh.
Yeah, like like this. This is the stuff I I love this
right. Relax.
If you follow if you follow thisguy right, say I've seated off
put in the order for the MatthewGolden like give me all of this,
OK, like I want that you know that that's that's the good
stuff right there. This is the this is the training

(58:28):
camp hyperbole. What else?
Come on, what else we doing? Like like again, you you just
just embrace the training camp hype.
Like it it just kind of beat twopeople at once.
You can kind of do that. I think you can just kind of be
all in having a good time here and be like, OK, but but we set
some realistic expectations for the rookie.
Like the problem is is this rookie is coming in as a first

(58:50):
round wide receiver first wanted, you know, 23 years.
So. Yeah, realistic expectations go
out the window. Man, yeah, it it, they really
do. And I think I, I think that the
toughest, the toughest part about for me was, was ranking
him next to Ibuka. It's just kind of like, OK, like
Ibuka's detail right now is better.

(59:13):
Like he he has all the like, really good catch point detail
and and on time, you know, spaceversus like all of these like
really, really good tangible stuff.
And it's like, but is his ceiling higher than Golden's?
No, like, is he going to be ableto, you know, I think maybe
moonlight on the outside while playing some slot and do some Z

(59:33):
and and slot stuff in Tampa Bay.Absolutely.
He might, you know, with with Godwin, kind of they they might
not have to rush him back in Tampa, right.
So Bupa might get some stuff that day for the fantasy folks
out there, you know, take a peekat him where he's being drafted.
But like golden ceiling is higher.
He has that that type of speed, right, It's game breaking.
He has what looks like the potential to be, as I've kind of

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talked about, like when I look at receivers of like who's going
to be the big dogs? 3 levels, 3 phases, right?
Win the short stuff, win the intermediate and win downfield.
Win pre catch with the route running and and awareness and
the release and handing all all that stuff right.
Win the catch point and win after the catch is is.

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Golden's got the speed after thecatch you you've seen him make
some guys miss a little bit, right?
Three Level 3 face. It's it's possible.
I don't think it's under like probable part of outcomes, but
like, you know, if we can get tolike five of those 6, I think
we're we're we're cooking with gas.
I think the ceiling is certainlythere.
So, Ayers said people kept saying he didn't have speed but

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ignored the content under throws.
He's a smooth runner, almost like Mitchell was coming out.
He's like a more physical zay flowers with almost the same
amount of change of direction, which, you know, you you just,
you know, mentioned that like golden ceiling from a
physicality standpoint is higherthan anybody else's.

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It's it's true. And I, yeah, you know, I think.
He can reach like again. Is he going to reach like what
tat could possibly be for Carolina?
Probably not, but like, you know, Ted still has a wider
range of outcomes as well. Like he he's not like surefire
stamp it in type of thing. Like there are ranges of
outcomes with him. Ibuka's range of outcomes I feel

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like are a little bit smaller than than a lot of these guys,
right. Hunters is more because of the
two way stuff. But like I feel like again,
hunters hunter could be sailing away by next year.
We just go, yeah, of course. Gosh, if only we could have
drafted. Yeah, right.
Why didn't we draft him? Right, of course.
But like, yeah, so the Tet rangeof outcomes are a little wider.

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Golden's are maybe a little wider.
Bukas are a little more narrow. But you know, the ceiling,
right? It's it's it's certainly, it's
certainly quite high. Yeah.
As you're talking about Sam Brown, junior wide receiver.
I know they brought him Will Shepard.
There's a lot of a lot of receivers in this room.
Well, it's, it's super deep. It's super deep.

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I I, I think that I still have questions about like if we have
all the answers on the roster that we need yeah and like, I
don't want to re litigate this topic for the 30th time on this
podcast, but. To do.

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It is interesting though, that you, like you look, we got I
think 12 receivers on the rosterright now and we're probably
only keeping 5 or maybe six of those 12.
Sure. I guess some easy cuts like I'm
I'm sorry, like I I don't know why Cornelius Johnson is still
here, but yeah, I've seen. But like after that, they make

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it tough real quick. Sam Brown, he'll be a tough cut.
Yeah. I like Julian Hicks, Haven't
heard his name one time this training camp, which is not good
for a second year guy. He's it is probably you know who
else The name I don't hear is Malik Heath.
Yeah, which? Haven't done much that we've

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heard of in training camp so far.
Which, yeah, I don't. Yeah.
I don't know what to think of that because like, I think Will
Shepherd, I'm trying to picture like how, what the path is,
right? And it's kind of like, well, is
he he's got the big body, but sodoes Malik Heath, right?

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I mean the hands catcher was so is like golden and and you know
Dobbs when the catch is very difficult, you know.
His pass to the roster is punt returner he had.
He returned 18 punts. That's the.
Deal at at Vandy and Colorado. Yeah, he just doesn't like they,

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they let him try to like stretchthe field, which that's again,
like, JJ, would you rather have Savion doing that or Shepherd?
I'd rather have like 4 guys do it than shepherd.
Right. That's what I mean like, yeah,
his, his, that's what his role is, is like a big body field
stretcher. And it's like, well, we, we
drafted one of those in third round.

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I mean, OK, we don't like, we don't have Beau Melton as a
cornerback anymore or as a wide receiver anymore.
So like I'm I'm finally trying to replace Beau.
Certainly. And like they've already tried
with Cornelius Johnson again, I don't I.
I think, I don't think we have to.
Yeah, I don't think we have to do that for sure.
I agree with you. We also have this but.

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I'm. Sorry, he's not.
He's not expensive. Yeah, this isn't like anti team
up N stuff for Cornelius. It's just like, like, I don't
know. Why is he on the roster?
He doesn't. Yeah, it's not like he's.
Not an NFL player, I'm sorry. It's. 20.
Years old, we're trying to do the thing, right?
Like when this happens, it's like an overcorrection, right?
Nico Collins, kind of like athletic player, big body from

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Michigan, right? Had all those the the good
athletic testing, right? And then we did that again, like
people's Jones, right? And then Cornelius Johnson.
Look, I love those guys from Michigan.
DPJ and Nico, Yeah. And it's like so high and Nico.
We're doing that like like athlete who Colson Loveland can
become like the you know, the the the big bodied X type at the

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position. It's like not just not
everybody's going to do that right, just because they were a
freak athlete like like Nico is a is a really special case that
I've been diving into a lot and found some old Michigan tape,
which I think is very fun. But like if if he isn't showing
a little bit like there isn't yeah, it it's with Shepard there
and Sam Brown. It's just kind of like it's not

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stacking up. So was there any other thing?
Cornelius and Julian Hicks, I would think are probably not
long for this roster. We have 12 receivers on the
roster. Neither one of them are I, I
don't think are making the practice quiz like I, I, I, I
would give will shepherd the inside track on both of those
guys for the practice squad. And again, if if we're going to

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keep, you know, not that he's super BIG510187, but like Mikko
Hardman, yeah, I would have as our bow melt replacement if we
need a bow replacement on the active roster.
Yeah, I know I was. I'll hold though.
I was big on the Melton over Hardman.
But if they're going to do the Melton thing at corner like, why
shouldn't Hardman be on this team?

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Yeah, no, I, I completely makes sense at this at this juncture
now based on what has transpired.
So for sure, yeah, I I'm going to put, I'm going to put a
little Sam Brown junior maybe upon the weekly Cheddar channel.
That'd be fun be. All a little nice look see it
might have to be next week got alot got a Wednesday to Sunday

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might be out of out of commish but we're.
Going to look, Drew, Drew says. Didn't see Belton in practice at
all. So here's the here's the
injuries. Here's the injuries.
Wicks has a calf injury. Marshawn Lloyd, of course, has

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the groin injury. We talked about.
Aaron Banks, the new left guard,has battling a back injury.
And then Savion has been like inand out of practice this week.
Something's bothering him, but nobody will say what it is.
OK. And then Colin Oliver is dealing
with a hamstring. That's right, I do.

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I would say other than ChristianWatson, the guy with maybe the
most concerning injury would have to be John Williams, our
seventh round offensive lineman.He's got he's got back problems.
So he had a surgery in the offseason at the end of last
year, and now he's got a different back issue that's

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completely kept him out of practice.
Yeah, that's not that's not ideal.
It's not ideal. We'll be watching.
Ron says Belton was with the threes at tackle.
Belton has been. It has been in practice, yes.
Yeah, it seems like there was something yesterday, the floor
again, I again, I haven't reallybeen hand up, haven't been like,

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you know, the press conferences and looking at all that, but you
know, just trying to catch up here.
But like, it seems like Lafleur said yesterday that they think
Belton can play inside a guard, but Lafleur wants him to be
comfortable at tackle first, which is totally understandable.
Again, I do picturing the possibility at this point of
Rashid Walker potentially movingon as we've discussed at length

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is, you know, yeah, let's see what he's got here.
Let's see what Morgan's doing here, Right.
So who were the second team tackles?
Was Zach, Tom doing double duty as first and second?
Or did they have somebody else out there had this sample, if
you know, that had this open? Obviously she'd and She'd and
Tom were first team and I imagine Morgan was part of

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second team but interested to know who it was.
It's going to take me a second to pull this up, but I know I
have it. OK, Starters.
Oh, that's starters. This is second team.

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Starters, we had Rasheed, JordanMorgan, Sean Ryan, Jacob Monk
and Zach Tom. This was yesterday.
Oh, we got, we have to talk withthe Elton thing too.
Oh yeah. For sure.
Let's see Walker, Morgan, Ryan Monk, Tom.

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That's kind of a thing all week.Walker, Morgan Ryan Monk, Tom
Man is five different days we had.
Monk at right guard. Here's here's one on yeah and
here July 24th. Interesting.
OK. Rasheed Banks, Ryan Morgan, Tom,
which that sounds a lot closer to makes sense.

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Presumed starter. Yep.
But this was before Banks was missing some practice.
OK. Previous day, July 23rd Morgan.
This is interesting with the ones Morgan Glover.
Why Monk, Ryan Tom? That's just a nonsense line up.

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Here's another Morgan or sorry, Walker Banks, Ryan.
Morgan, Tom. Walker Banks, Ryan.
Morgan, Tom. Yeah, yeah.
And then obviously when Elton's in there.
I think there was it'll. Probably be.

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It'll probably be Walker Banks, Jenkins.
Yesterday, Donovan Jennings tooka snap or took reps at center
and two-minute drill with the twos.
Is it with the twos? Sure.
Monk 2 Center here we. Well, maybe they're just.

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Rotating old. That's old here.
Give me somebody else who's likely to be with the twos.
This will help me Monk. Pull Monk here.
Starter is monkey, right guard. Starter is monkey, right guard,
monkey, right guard, monkey, right guard.

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Monkey at center with the ones, monk at center with the ones
Yeah, I I don't know who else would be running with the twos
so. Yeah.
When I when I just pull up Zach,Tom exclusively, I'm not getting

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any twos. I'm only getting.
So I'm trying to think, who else?
Morgan, I guess. Telford.
Yeah, that makes sense. Telford Jennings.
Oh, Telford, There you go. That's the answer.
That's the answer, Telford. Yep, here we go.
Telford with the ones that left guard.

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That's an interesting one. That makes more.
Yeah, that makes more sense. Oh, that was from June 12th.
That was like the rookie mini camp or whatever.
That I mean that again, I think Telford makes more sense than
Glover at this juncture very clearly.
But Telford? OK, here we got the right side,

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we got Glover and Talbert. Glover at right guard, Telfer at
right tackle for the twos. So so there you go.
Yeah. Tool for this says sorry about
that behind I was driving home. Keep an extra receiver and cut
Musgrave. His shenanigans are continuing
in camp. Again, you know, you want to say

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addition by subtraction, but like, we need tight ends.
We can't. That's just have like we're
already only at 3 tight ends. Like do you want to keep Johnny
Lumpkin? Do you want to keep John
Fitzpatrick? I don't.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I it's justthat's, that's the tough thing.

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It just it feels like again wishthey had added to it right.
We talked about that plenty. Wish they.
Had it was a nice tight end class.
It was obviously not as not as good we think as the one craft
was in right in Musgrave with Laporta and and Co.

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But yeah, I mean it, it's it's going to be hard to do that just
simply because of the lack like obviously Ben Sims, but like,
yeah, who else is the thing? And and right, who else has the
game breaking speed of the same?Like I, I, I, I understand.
They need to have another guy tothat route.

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They do like they do. You got to have 4-4 titles in
roster. Yeah, which again, you know,
interesting development, but we needed to get to.
Alta said trade for Colson Yankov.
Well, I could do that. Dude, we don't have an extra

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first round pick. We can't, sorry, two of us said.
Do you think Morgan getting owned by Lucas Van Ness is a
good sign for Lucas Van Ness? I just don't think it tells us
anything. Yeah, I don't.
Like, I think Lucas Van Ness is,as far as I can tell, he's been
fine in training camp. You know, I'm not seeing
anything. It's been like quiet discussion

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around him for sure. In in in what way?
I I know, I know, Nagler tweeted.
Like he's quietly having a pretty good camp.
Well, then I yeah, What, what, what, what can we again, what do
we really say about that? Well, that's a dig at me, but.

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Van Ness was impactful all day. So again, I think I think like
the biggest thing with with Van Ness, right, I don't think it is
again, I is he going to be able to, you know, shed offensive
line with the point of attack because he's so darn strong.

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Yeah, absolutely. Like I I expect that I think the
biggest thing for LVN right is again, playing the four three,
it's always defend the run first.
Can you get to moves quickly? Can you set up moves quickly?
Can you have a go to which again, for him with what he is,

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he needs to mimic guys like Verse who again, throw in that
like kind of stutter bowl where you're like feigning outside,
you know, trying to get the tackle to swipe or keep the
hands down and then you explode back in and and catch him off
guard. Like Verse was really good at

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that. And again, Van Das doesn't turn
like Verse does, but he has to have something to go to and it's
probably got to be power related, right?
I, I don't think we need to thinking about speed rips with a
guy like like Van Ness, right? Like he has to unlock the power
mover to, to be, you know, that guy in year 3.

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So, yeah, there's, there's not much to glean from that, I
think. Morgan like I honestly, I would
like nothing against Morgan, butlike I hope, I kind of hope LVN
kind of works Morgan over and over because Morgan always a
guy. Like you and I would would both
not say that we think Jordan Morgan's like a crappy offensive

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lineman. Who?
Like we're not putting him in like the Royce Newman tier of
like, oh gosh, if he beats you in in practice, like you're
getting caught. Like, we're not, we're not
saying that we both think Jordanis a weird misfit with the
Packers is strange blocking scheme and what they want to do,
and there's just not really a spot for him.

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No, like that's been the the biggest thing.
That's the weirdest part about this.
It's just like you can see the philosophy shift, right with
like who they want to play center.
They're bringing in banks at guard.
Who's bigger, right Belton? Where's he going to play?
He's bigger. Like they they have all this
where again, Tom is still Tom onthat on the edges of Dancing
Bear tackle, but it's like they they clearly with Jacobs, as

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we've kind of talked about, wantto get to more gap stuff.
They want to get more vertical in the run game.
How do you do that? You push people around.
It's like Morgan's just really not to push people around guy,
right? Shawn Ryan can do that more
right as as type of thing. And that's why, again, I've been
harping on and I think Jay just kind of agreed of like Belton
playing guard for that thing makes sense.
Like he could move people, no question about it.

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So that's The thing is like Morgan going to figure out the
spot at tackle or like, yeah, itjust makes it strange.
And that's where it's like Morgan's doing all this cross
training stuff and like trying to figure out where the heck
he's playing. So like LVN at this point should
be taking care of him honestly. Like it's a it's a nice little
benchmark, but like he he shouldbe, he should be doing that.

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Like he LVN is a starter, period, right.
Morgan is potentially a starter.So it's a deeper position.
I get that from from Morgan's side of things, but like Van
Ness should be doing that. I I want to see, you know, Van
Ness start taking care of guys in the in the regular season a
little bit more. So I think he's he's stepping
stone. And I think with Van Ness, the

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biggest, the biggest, you know, point in his favor is that he's
not switching schemes in an offseason.
This this go around. We're building upon what has
already been laid. You know, the foundation from
last offseason camp and and regular season, right?
Like that foundation is there. We're not you know, we're not

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switching over from what I was running to a Green Bay ran in
his rookie year. We're not switching over again
when halfway came around. Like we have an offseason where
he, you know, has this knowledgethat he can bring with him to
the next season. So it's a nice benchmark, but I
I want to see him doing that. I want to see him take care of
Rasheed. Now let's let's see some wins
there, right. Let's see some, you know, maybe

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you can get to Tom, who knows So.
The rant is over. Since the rant is over, it was a
good one. I have a have a Segway here.
Since we're here, I just want tomake sure we get to Revtrev's
thing because I know he had LVM.OK, you, you, you can do Revtrev
and then I'll do really. Yeah, Revtrev, a little while

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ago I started this one to make sure, he said.
My wish is is LVN is a differentmaker like Clay Matthews was.
Looks doubtful so far, but I getto play different positions.
Yeah, that's the difficult part.Like Matthews in that defense
could always just go hunt quarterbacks.
Like he he the scheme allowed him to do that, right?
He's not sitting there trying tohold the point of attack at 1st
and then get to the rush, right?Like Matthews was just able to

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go attack based on what capers was running.
So that is it's tough that that we just cannot compare that
right? You want, you know, Van Ness
needs to be on, you know, the the track of what Gary's doing
right, like on Gary's track, youknow, on the Preston Smith
track, like these these bigger guys at defensive end in the

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four three right. Obviously Trey Hendrickson is
kind of like a a pie in the sky type of thing, but like him
right, he's part of that. Garrett's part of that, Like
it's these bigger guys at defensive end.
I'm trying to think of some others.
JJI don't want to don't want to lose it before we do that, but
I'm just I'm going to quickly take a peek.
But like, there, there are plenty of those guys.

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And so you know, do you got one?Give it a few games this year.
Like it's it's it's just it's still really early for for a
first round pick. And last year there was
certainly was some weirdness like the fact that, you know,
Preston Smith is gone and LVN isstill not getting huge number of

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snap counts. Yeah, that was weird.
If that continues this year, then yeah, be concerned.
If it's like week four, week 6, something like that.
And he's still not really a fulltime defensive end for the
Packers. And you know, guys like Kingsley
are starting over him. Yeah, be concerned at that

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point. Definitely it's it's.
Just still a little early. Packers like to bring these
these freak athlete early high draft pick guys along slowly
when they can, and they've been able to do that with LVN.
Yes, it's just a little early to.
Panic, that's the frustrating part, right with with the draft

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sometimes, right? It's like, man, they're drafting
these guys for year 3 and just stinks when you don't see it,
you know, right away when you see some other guys right away.
But there, there are there are you don't get a lot of those
right aways right there. There are so many players and
year 2 and year three that the kind of arrive on the scene.

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So right, really good example. Spencer Brown's a recent one for
the bills right tackle. He was kind of on the edge of
like, are we going to see something and then bam, figured
it out. Boom, we're we're good long term
extension. Here's your money type of thing,
right? Nico Collins, we talked about
him, right? He took the leap, found that
leap. He said, no, I'm, I'm going to,
I'm going to take hold of this and I'm moving.

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So you do get that, right? You know, Gary took some time,
right? He obviously wasn't the starter,
but that was the plan. And, and so you will get that at
times. And so that's I think.
And I don't really like the Packers strategy and these guys
for forever and like not lettingthem really contribute until
you're 3. It's it's clearly intentional.

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I'm not saying I like it. I don't like it.
Yeah. I mean, look at the you look at
the boast of brothers, right? These guys get to play a lot
early and like Rashawn Gary, if you look at his snap counts
right, it took him longer from atime perspective to start making

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a big difference. But it was basically the same
number of snaps as what the Bosabrothers were getting before.
He was making the same kind of impact on the game that they
were. They just got to get those snaps
in earlier and therefore start making a difference earlier.
I, you know, I, I, I, I would rather see these guys get worked

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in, in a large role earlier on in their career.
I don't, I, I haven't really seen evidence that it's a
massively successful strategy tolike string these guys along
slowly. Like we're not going to give
them a third contract. I'm sorry, Like what?
Outside of the quarterbacks, no third round or no third
contracts have hand out for the quarter for the Packers like in

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my lifetime, right? Actually there was a tweet about
that earlier yesterday. Or say what?
We're waiting on two of them. We're moving in the direction
for potentially Zach Tom, of course.
Oh, Zach Tom, we got the second one.
Can't wait to see Tucker Craft. Absolutely right.

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And for those for those who are getting ahead of themselves,
have your fun. Matthew Gold, of course.
Well, that's a good one as well.Yes, of course.
So yeah, I mean. Can we, can we do this one?
This is a squash. This is a theory by Ken Ingles.

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OK. Malik Willis is going to get a
decent contract with a shot to be a starter next offseason.
Pencil in a day three QB in the draft in April for the Packers.
He gone. So it is.
It is true that after this season Malik will be an
unrestricted free agent. Packers don't have you know, RFA

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or anything available to them. So do you think that a team like
the Saints or somebody is going to bring him in a LA Jameis
Winston, Justin Fields with his shot to be a starter?
I mean, there's a team that always goes to mind here.

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Pittsburgh, of course they're try.
They try a lot of things at QB, right?
Yeah, but Malik did not play anywhere in the AFC North.
He didn't play anywhere in the AFC North.
So, you know, well, they probably haven't even heard of
him. I'm trying to think where else.
I mean, Cleveland, I think if things get, yeah, I mean, I

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think, I think Cleveland's goingto be in a nice position to
draft a guy high, right? But I think you're going to be
in that position. The Steelers or somebody are
actually going to outbid the Packers.
Pittsburgh does some. Crazy or a guy that they've
Indianapolis lasted multiple years and draft draft picks in a
trade for Indianapolis. How desperate will Indy and

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Pittsburgh be? How desperate will Indy and
Pittsburgh be? That's real quick.
But do they think he's actually going to be their starter?
Man, I mean, Indy has tried somestuff and so is Pittsburgh,
right in those years since Luck and Roethlisberger have been
done. So I can't those.
Those two teams, when we did ourGM rankings, we compared those

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two, those two GMs so hard against each other.
Chris Ballard and yeah. It's the QB thing, man.
Like they can put together a nice roster and then they just
don't. It's.
Just the again, it's like they they put together their roster.
They're like, Dang, this is a good roster.
That was really easy. I don't know why all the other
GMs are like, you know, talk about how it's so hard to put

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together a good roster. Like yeah, we still have like
5,000,000 bucks leftover at the end of this.
Ballot have a good roster. Position.
You're supposed to pay a lot too.
Think so. Ballard had a a decent to good
roster. He just put again, aging Philip
Rivers and Carson Wentz into it.It's like, well, yeah, of course
they're not going to get the finish line.
Rivers was fun. That was a great time.
They had a it was a cool season to watch, but it's like are.

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You. It was a dude from the start.
There was no chance that was going to work out.
None. I mean, they got they, they got
ten wins, but again, it wasn't going to be.
Like they didn't win a playoff game.
Yeah, I know. But they're not.
They're not going to get over the finish line.
Wentz was the same. Like it's just, yeah, they are
very similar. So that's that's my problem.
I think both could be like, yeah, sure.
Like if somehow, if somehow Indywins enough games to keep them

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in the mediocrity area, they cango all in with the new.
Regime, I don't think that. I don't think that that's my the
Steelers. I don't think Omar Khan.
Now, it's not true about Mike Tomlin, but I don't think Omar
Khan actually has Super Bowl aspirations for his team.
I think he just wants them to begood.

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That's the Pittsburgh way. Be relevant, be good enough.
Yeah. And I think that's what.
That's what Mike. That's what this Mike Tomlin
wants to win a Super Bowl. But may I say, as much as he
gets flat, that's what the Saints are trying to do.
They're not. They're not doing it, but
they're trying to do that right.They're extending all these guys
are pushing all the void money of like, can we be decent?

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Right? Like they're trying to do that.
That's that's that's another great example of the team is
trying to like stay relevant enough for the city, right game
of championship, right in this century, like, hey, let's just,
you know, stay relevant enough where you know, we can beat
quote UN quote in the hunt. That's the sign of AGM who just
wants to keep his job. He wants to be able to like.

(01:29:45):
Look so. I got you A10 win season every
single year I've been here. We had one down year where we
went, you know, 9/9, 7:00 and 1:00, right?
Yeah, it, it, it is how that's yeah, that's that's what it
looks like right now. Ron asks how many first round

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QBs projected next year. Jake, isn't it 3 right now?
I mean like, it's so so pointless.
So. Tricky thing here because you
look at, again, you look at the consensus big board, you look at
mock drafts, you look at kind ofrankings early on.
Technically there are 5 projected.
The problem is one of them is Arch Manning, who I just, it's,
it's hard to see that happening.The Mannings how they want to go

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about it, right? Like play 2 years as a full time
starter. So like if you pull him out of
the equation, you're looking at,well, maybe, oh, maybe there's
one more you're looking at Klubnick Nussmeyer, right?
Klubnick from Clemson, Nussmeyer, LSU, Lenore Sellers,
South Carolina's three, and he probably throwing Drew Aller in

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there, right? There's a lot of expectations
now. Now Fernando Mendoza coming over
from Cal to Indiana, I think anda lot of people have been on
this already and it's good that they were back then.
Corey Cannon was way on it like right away post draft was way on
it. And then, you know, others have
have kind of gradually gotten into that camp.

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So those are kind of the six you're looking at or the five
plus Arch Manning doubt everybody stays there, right,
Obviously Arch I I would lean hegoes back to school unless a he
wins the Heisman B they win the national title and then C the
team picking first, assuming he obviously if he does all that,
they're probably he's probably going first, right.

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If he declares, assuming that team that is number one overall
pick is a team that the Manningswould like him to go to, would
they like him to go to his grandfather's team, potentially
New Orleans, potentially, right?If Cleveland has first overall
pick. I don't, I don't think they want
him to go there to be perfectly honest, right?
Like. And we saw how that worked out
with another family celebrity royalty this past year trying to

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not go to Cleveland. Certainly, however.
I guess the the the biggest difference is that is Arch can
actually play ball. 55 time MVP,22 time Super Bowl champs, right
as your uncles like probably going to have a little bit more

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pull, Unfortunately not not to say that again, Deanna is
obviously a Hall of Famer too, right?
But this is, you know, they're, they're clearly involved
heavily. So can I throw a couple?
Names at you like are. They going to want to go to The
Jets don't know. So I, I, Ron, I would, I would
say 5 right now generously. I don't that that's right now

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minus Arch Manning again, Aller,I think Jay-Z and I have have
shared plenty of our concerns with him, but he's there right
now. So that's what you're looking at
when all is said and done, I think.
You'll probably get on the. 4 personally, but.
Arch talking about The Jets and then Eli's sitting right there.
Yeah, Yeah. Like who, where would you want

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to go if you were arch? JJ, can I list some teams really
quick? Yeah.
Like who were probably going to be drafting QBs?
New Orleans. Would you want to go there if
you were arch? Yes, yes.
OK, Cleveland, would you want togo there?
Heck no. OK, New York Jets, would you
want to go there? Heck no.

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OK. Actually Arch might be
interested in that, but I'm I'm definitely a.
Heck, I mean Aaron Glenn, that'scould be better.
Let's see how year one of Aaron Glenn.
For sure, for sure. I agree.
Aaron Glenn, who I perennially underrated his whole time in
Detroit. All right, we'll, we'll see how
his his year one goes there. Yeah, hold on, let me.

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You're not going to you're not going to toss Indy at me.
No, I am. I'm just making sure I there's
not a team I'm missing at the moment.
I just want to double check. But as I yeah, as we're going
just just as a throw out there because again, they they traded
for a QB. He is getting up there.
You know, regime could be thinking long term as well.
Las Vegas Raiders, would you rather?

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Would you want to go there? No.
OK. No, I'm I'm not playing for Mark
Davis and I don't think that theManning family are letting their
son go play. For Mark Davis, Indianapolis,
Where'd you want to go there? Obviously if I if my name is

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Arch Manning. OK.
Pittsburgh, do you want to go there?
Yes. OK.
I think those are the teams now.Now if I threw out Vegas, I got
to throw this team out because QBS got some back concerns
already. Los Angeles Rams.
Would you want to go there if you're Arch Manning?

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Yeah, OK. I I would, I would agree.
I I would I would like to go. There, they have decent enough
ownership. Sean McVay is a top three coach
in the NFL and it's it's not particularly debatable.
Yeah, and obviously, like the LAmarket is absolutely fantastic.
Like every player wants to go live in LA.

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Yeah, a couple wild cards just just is kind of like AI mean I
guess Miami they've they kind ofpaid to it, they're kind of
stuck. But would you want to go to
Miami? No, Miami's not going to be in
play for Arch. Again, I don't I I don't I think
they're going to be too good to be in play, but they're kind of
QB situations. Weird.

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Seattle, would you want to go there again?
If Arnold flops and they don't get a lot from Mill Row, they
could kind of be at square 1 pretty quick.
This is tough because because I think like I would say.
Yes, sure, but they? I don't know if I don't know if
the Manning family would say yes, right?
What, what, what, what? What do you think the Manning

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family would say? Seattle's tricky because.
I would say yes if it was me. Would they want an offensive
head coach, right, Because that obviously we talked McVeigh,
absolutely. You go play there.
New Orleans has Kellen Moore. We'll see how that goes.

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But again, their their pace has been good, all all that good.
Stuff. Forget the current coaches.
Let's talk about the coaches that that Peyton and Eli played
for. Yeah, How many of the approaches
do they have in Seattle? Right there is there is a guy at
OC whose dad has played with Peyton Manning, right?

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Clint Kubiak, Gary Kubiak, right, has been around Peyton
Manning in the Denver years, Possibly.
I think they'd kind of be like nudging John Snyder.
Be like, hey, hey, this old line.
Keep going, keep going. OK, We're not there yet.

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Like they'd probably be nudging them in that direction.
So, yeah, I mean, I I think that's it.
The Giants are in a weird situation also kind of throwing
everything at the fan. If if they all get fired and
everything goes, I think you probably go there right, if
you're the Manning. Family I'm I'm still I'm still a
little bit stuck in this offensive versus defensive head

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coach thing. No, that's.
Fair. So Peyton played for He played.
He played for Jim Mora, didn't he?
Yes. Yes.
OK, So that's defense, Tony Dungy's defense, Jim Caldwell's
offense. Yep, that's right.
John Fox was defense. He was.

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Gary Kubiak, obviously, offense.Yeah, so maybe not.
So that's that's two offense predefense.
Eli played for Tom Coughlin his offense.
Ben McAdoo was offense, that's right.
Not that that went well. And then Pat Shermer had a his

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offense, yeah, offensive background as well.
So he didn't play for any defensive.
So yeah, that's, I don't know, man.
I mean, maybe Eli's experience. Would say offense, yeah,
perhaps. I mean, obviously it's kind of
mostly only Tom Coughlin. Like by the time Ben got there,
like by the time Ben got there, Eli was done.

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He was cooked. Yeah, I mean, again, if you're
Arch and you're the Mannings, ofcourse you want to play with
McVeigh. Like there, there's no question
you would love to do that, right?
And again, the history of Pittsburgh going back to where
your uncle played in Indy, like there, there are a lot of good
options, but I just again, and where your grandpa played, but

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like if Cleveland gets it, don'tknow, man, don't know.
I mean, literally, like we Eli Manning is like the poster boy.
He's he's the reason that we ever talk about like, well,
would this would this quarterback actually go here?

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It's only because of Eli that weeven have that conversation.
Yeah. So obviously the family would do
that. Yeah.
So again, all this to say, you know, I, I think around 4 QBs,
Willique Willis there, there might be some value there just
based on, again, how many teams we brought up right in that
conversation for arch of like there might be enough teams

(01:39:39):
where somebody, somebody tries it, right?
And, and obviously Willis is unwell.
The floor's done a really nice job.
Could I see Willis succeeding inMinnesota?
Perhaps? I don't think they're going to
go there yet, right? I I think they're kind of
entrenched. Do you think JJ McCarthy is
going to be good this year? Like.
I I leaned toward. Yes.

(01:40:00):
I, I leaned. Towards you not going.
To have to be very good. Because of that's the thing,
that's situation. Because again, what they did
with Darnold of like, you know, they have him in those like
naked boots, right, where Jefferson's the primary read on
like a flat route, right? Like they're giving him layups
to Justin Jefferson, right for Darnold last year.

(01:40:22):
So like, I imagine they're goingto be doing the exact same thing
for McCarthy early on. And they brought in those
offensive lineman, right? Like they're probably, as you
said, they're probably gonna be more balanced.
They're probably gonna be lean into the balance until they feel
like JJ has, you know, they maybe give him more keys to the
like they give him the key to the apartment, they give him the

(01:40:43):
key to the car. Like they do all that like then
you can. We on this podcast just call him
McCarthy, 'cause I, I just, I just get a little offended at,
you know, having to share my name with the Vikings
quarterback. From McCarthy up North, Yes.
What's hold on I got to, I got to know what the real name is.

(01:41:05):
Jonathan James McCarthy. There you go.
Jonathan James. Jonathan.
James, I can see why he doesn't use those names.
Yes, it's. Very close to him Jacob
Jingleheimerschmidt So. Tool for this wants to know
could the Bears give up on Calebafter this year?
Dude they they gave Justin Fields three freaking years and

(01:41:29):
he wasn't the number one overallpick.
They gave Mitchell Trubisky 4 years. 4.
Yeah, that's no Bears of all teams are not giving up on
Caleb, who by the way, like wasn't good, but he wasn't.
He was not terrible. He was last year.
He was an upgrade over what theyhad in Justin for sure, which is

(01:41:49):
not hard to do. No, it's not.
Was he? I think.
Jake Shevink would be an upgradeover what they had in Justin
Fields. I don't know.
I don't know about that. But again, was he underwhelming
relative to expectations? Of course.
Was he downright awful? No.
So which isn't obviously a greatthing to hear, right with with

(01:42:10):
Ben Johnson going in there. But we'll see.
There's no guarantees on anything.
So we'll see. Yeah, got to get.
To Eris says I heard Luther Burden was in the doghouse with
Ben Johnson today. Hey.
Did you like Luther Burden? I can't remember, because I
didn't. Did you like him?
Not not really. I had him I think is like mid to

(01:42:34):
late 2nd of like lots of lots ofupside here to work with.
But like again, do I the Missouri reports, you know,
being him in the doghouse, like I think a lot of people are
going to go back to like, Oh well, Missouri coaches and would
say this about him too, of like a man that I don't I don't like
what we're seeing with effort wise on the field when he wasn't
getting the ball or the the targets weren't good right type

(01:42:54):
of thing. So people are going to go back
to that for sure. But again, I I still think
there's a guy with like movementskills that are are are really,
really impressive. But like when you look at him
play right now like his best 2 routes are an out route and a
slot fade and it's like that canonly get you so far right away.

(01:43:15):
But again, the the movement skills and all of that are top
tier, probably only surpassed byTravis Hunter.
It's just he has the he just doesn't have everything together
right now in terms of playing the position.
So I, I could really see if theyget him involved, it's going to

(01:43:38):
be like backfield stuff. Get him involved in the screen
game where you can work after the catch, right?
Some, some shot plays. So, yeah, if, if all that stuff
is carrying over from Missouri, which was reported on him, like
if that's carrying over, that's not a good sign.
But again, that's why, again, you, you, you draft him to the
second round, right? This isn't like, hey, we took

(01:43:58):
him 10th overall and we're having these issues.
So kind of made sense about where he was drafted.
I know that the expectations were sky high after his
sophomore year. So you know, that's not where
everybody really wants to see him at this moment in time.
But again, I think there's there's a lot for him to work
on. Weird outcomes guy, right?

(01:44:19):
Then a guy like Ibuka, right, that we could kind of talk about
earlier. So.
Hopefully he either doesn't pan out, which, you know, I don't
like to wish that on the guy, orpreferably gets traded from
Chicago to some place where he does succeed.

(01:44:39):
We we'd like to see that. Yeah.
Or maybe he just becomes a fantasy football beast, but it
just doesn't translate into realwins for the team team.
Don't know how how are you snagging targets of away from my
guys, the Doomsay and and Loveland, you know?

(01:44:59):
Yeah, I'm still not. Obviously D and obviously DJ
and. Your your one didn't give me
much for it. No, and obviously.
I mean like I will like Malik. I'm I'm fully one over.
Like Malik is out this board. Oh, Doomsay, I'm just not there.
Yeah, he, he's got a lot to prove.
I think he's got more to prove than than Harrison does, even

(01:45:20):
though Harrison I think has, still has plenty to prove in
year 2. But when you look at, I mean,
there, there's a golden trio right now.
And, and, and Harrison can certainly get there and they can
certainly get there. But it's, it's neighbors Thomas
and Lad right now leading the way.
So let's and I've got some high hopes on a few guys.

(01:45:43):
We are running out of. Time.
Time to keep talking about training camp stuff.
Yes. I wanted to touch on a couple of
the wide receivers that we've had some questions about.
OK, love that. Seems to be some tweets from the
people who are attending Packerstraining camp, of which I sadly

(01:46:05):
have not won this year, That Wix's hands look a lot better
now. He did muff a punt off of his
groin that happened. Other than that, that hurts
literally when he's out playing wide receiver and not punt
returner. You know.
Seems like he's doing well. It's huge, and it seems like

(01:46:27):
it's been the Golden and Wicks show so far through one week of
training camp, which, you know, take that for what it's worth.
Yeah. Do you do you put any stock into
that or is it just like, come on, like I I need to see more
first before I. I mean, I, I think it's nice.
I think it's good to hear. But again, my, what's going to

(01:46:53):
do it for me is in in the games when we get to September and
he's he's stacking good games together and he's catching the
football. But Wicks had drops troubles in
in camp a year ago. This is where we first started
getting concerned. Yeah, well, sort of.
I was big on like, oh, I don't think it's a big deal then.
I was completely wrong about that.

(01:47:14):
It's hard because every situation is different, right?
Jamar Chase is going, man, I can't pick up the ball because
there's no stripes on it, right?And it's like that didn't.
Matter. I think about that often, you
know, because I mocked Jamar Chase mercilessly for that.
And then? Yeah.
And then he was like, yeah, he'skind of just like, Nah, just
give me a give me a minute and I'll, I'll take care of it.

(01:47:35):
So that's what's tough is, is, is all these reports and blah,
blah, blah and all that of like,man, guys are taking off in camp
and it's like, oh, it just didn't translate at all.
It's just, it's so difficult. Every situation is different.
But as you said, like Wick's catching it versus not catching
it in camp last year. I think is, is again, kind of
what we were talking about LVN, it's like that's a nice

(01:47:56):
benchmark. That's a nice first little check
mark. Is it going to move me a ton?
Not really. But again, just as we kind of
talked about with Ryan early in the show and LVN, it's just kind
of like, hey, stack days together, keep working, keep
putting in the work like that that you know, you want to build

(01:48:16):
towards being an impactful player and.
Sure. You know, we'll get there when
we get there, so. Well, not on On the issue of
building toward being an impactful player, Wix seems to
be continuing to develop chemistry with Jordan.

(01:48:36):
Which is good that it is. It is good to see that because I
do think like you know, and we've talked about the Dobbs and
Love connection a lot of like that's the guy he clearly trusts
to go make a play. So so having somebody else kind
of build that rapport, right? I think we all probably think

(01:48:58):
Golden's gonna get there. Reid was getting there early in
the season. So to to keep building that is
good because again, who knows ifDobbs is gonna be here next
year, right? Gotta gotta keep building
rapport with all these guys. Who knows if?
He's gonna be here this year. Well, that's true.
Matt Rifleur has been talking upDobbs and praising him for, for

(01:49:18):
example, taking time to coach upMatthew Golden on route running
details. Yeah, love that everybody who
has attended camp has gushed over Dobbs hands.
He's been. It's interesting he he dropped
all past last year too. Well, so.

(01:49:42):
Not maybe. Not as many as Reed and Wicks.
I thought, I thought we went over like he it was like 6 or 7
for him also. But the difference was he was
making those otherworldly plays.It was kind of like all
balancing itself out in some weird James Jones fever dream.
He he already did that this thiscamp too.
He made like a diving, sliding catch in camp against Keyshawn

(01:50:04):
Nixon, which you know, look, it's the love continues to trust
him and look his way. And it's no wonder why he makes
he makes the crazy catches there.
The, the, the down there somewhere guy is Romeo Dobbs.
Romeo Dobbs down there somewhere.
He that's that's who it is rightnow, so.

(01:50:27):
I want to keep him, but I think there will be teams calling
about Pittsburgh. I think the Chiefs will call.
I think the Steelers will call. Yep.
Try to think who else might callI'm.
Looking, well, other than Garrett Wilson, who you got, not

(01:50:47):
a whole lot, I will say. I, I, I would, I would think the
Chiefs and Steelers have alreadymade at least 2 calls about
Dobbs wonder. If Arizona's made a call, it's
because, again, they're kind of in that similar situation.
Like Barb and Harrison Junior then?

(01:51:11):
Don't know, right? I I think it would take at least
a fourth round pick to move. I would think so.
I would think so. I'm trying to scroll through
other teams I'm not seeing. Jake, if you could get an extra
fourth round pick for Dobbs or an extra third round pick for.

(01:51:33):
Dobbs Giants should do it. What, a fourth or an extra?
3rd if you can get either an extra 4th or an extra 3rd for
goody. Well, I would.
I would take the third because Icould.
I would take the third so I could turn that into many, many
fourths down the line, right? What about this?
Would you? Take a turn that third into more
swings, 1/4 and 1/5. You mean the third?

(01:51:56):
Because I think I could turn that third into a fourth and a
few fifths, maybe another 4th ofyou in.
No, I'm not making it AGM. I'm saying would you, I
specifically said give the pick two goody.
More swings is always nice. We don't we we've we've gained
so much knowledge that we everybody's on the play field.

(01:52:17):
What do we know? Nothing.
We think we know things, we don't know things.
So might as well have more at bats, right?
I think it's, I think it would take. 4 Ravens.
To to move Dobbs to the Chiefs, I think it would take a fourth
and a 7th, 4th and 1/7. Could do that.
I don't think the Chiefs would give that up, though.

(01:52:39):
No, probably they should. They should.
Again, I think again, we there'sbeen good stuff about Jalen
Jalen Royals in camp for them. So, you know, maybe they're
they're sticking to that. It's like, no, we.
We yeah, what they, what they need is.
Guys established, reliable, we like.
That's what they we like. We like this Royals guy.
They have the right suspension. We're not worried.

(01:53:01):
We got Royals, man. They have two different types of
players they have established suck and promising young guy.
Those are the two types of players they have in Kansas
City, pretty much for catching the wall.
Read it much? Yes, I mean maybe the Bills.

(01:53:24):
Yeah, Bills. Yeah, that could be.
Maybe yeah, the Bills are weird.They just, they just go into
like mega bunch, you know, bunchwith the running back to that
side of like, hey, we got 4 routes in this short area.
It's like we don't need outside receivers.
We can just throw all the slot receivers into a bunch.
Look, and it's like, yeah, Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel,
Khalil Shakur, Keon Coleman, like we can put them all in one

(01:53:47):
area and let them cook. Cause like Josh Palmer's like
their outside guy right now. So maybe it's possible?
I mentioned earlier that that wehad multiple veterans spilling

(01:54:07):
the beans about various players.When we talked about Josh
Sheikh, it was talking about Marshawn Lloyd.
But another one we heard was Xavier McKinney talking about
Isaiah Simmons. And Isaiah or Xavier basically
let the cat out of the bag that the plan is for Isaiah Simmons

(01:54:31):
to be a large part of this defense this year.
And not one word has been spokenother than we had a little bit
of Jeff Haffley talk about it. But like basically not one word
in any serious capacity has beenspoken about moving Isaiah
around between safety and nickeland linebacker.

(01:54:54):
Like he is just he's the Sam linebacker for the Packers.
There's some, there's some discussion about like, oh,
Tyrone Hopper is going to push Isaiah Simmons for the the same
linebacker job. Like give me a break.
It's Isaiah Simmons. And if he's just going to play

(01:55:14):
linebacker all year, I'm here for it.
And on that exact same note, because we have two, you know,
quote UN quote, Unicorn gadget guys on the roster, 1 on defense
and one on offense, Savion Williams is just kind of getting
coached up at like boundary receiver right now through one
week of camp. I mean, it's super tiny sample

(01:55:37):
size, but I was so excited to hear about both of those.
Yeah, I yeah, I mean, obviously McKinney knows him right from
the time in New York. So obviously he would have, he
would have probably more to say than most, right, who are who
are in the building. He's also like, that's good

(01:55:57):
leader of the Packers defense though.
For sure, for sure. I I so again, I, I think, you
know, I think there there could be a lot of coach speak index in
what Lafleur and Haffley are saying kind of more so because
they're probably getting asked about it because again, he was
why? Because it was a high draft
pick, right? You know, so they're going to
get questions about him where, you know, McKinney is, as you

(01:56:20):
said, you know, future, you know, he he he's the leader of
this defense and and has the most I think to speak on about
somebody like Simmons. So that's that's good to see.
And I know Goody was asked abouthim today as well, you know.
And. He said certainly he's very
gifted. He was obviously drafted in the

(01:56:40):
first round. Boom.
Draft position matters, you know, as you're moving, moving
along your career, finding teams.
Yeah, spent a lot of time on himas he was coming out of college,
out of Clemson. He's got a very versatile skill
set. I wouldn't call it a flyer.

(01:57:01):
I don't. Again, if we're not going to,
we're not going. To versatile skill set because
like no find the place, please find the place that that we, we
we're going to play him at. I don't need like, well, he
could. He could do this.
Could do this, could do this. That's great.
Like, I could be a Decepticon. Sure.
OK. Like like, I don't know.

(01:57:25):
If we play Simmons purely just that one linebacker spot for the
whole year, I think he'll be here for a handful of years.
He'll be here for, you know, 3-4years.
Please, please. Similarly, Savion, if we just
play him as a boundary wide receiver, I think he's going to
be here for at least the entirety of his rookie contract.

(01:57:47):
If we're doing all this stupid Tyler Irvin, Cordero Patterson,
jet motion, whatever they're they're going to have them do a
ton of jet sweeps. They just will because that's
Lafleur. Can't get away from that.
Yeah, but like, just teach him to play wide receiver.
Yeah, with it, with I will, I will.

(01:58:10):
Bet on him being a success at that point.
I mean, with how he moves, yeah,just let him do that.
So I my, my thing with Simmons is when you go back and like
watch him like as a retrospective, it, it looks very
much like a player that is goingto be talked about a lot in this

(01:58:31):
cycle. And that's Harold Perkins at
LSU, where it's like he's got a lot of sacks.
That's awesome. Yeah, 'cause he's kind of
playing overhang and blitzing atlike 215 lbs.
Like where do you play him? I don't know, in college, that's
where you play him. You play him in college because
I don't know where he's going like this.

(01:58:56):
Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's tough.
It's tough. I don't like when they use the
word versatile. But again, I'm I'm thinking
about Jeff Haffley going like, man, if we align him like near
the box and let him drop into a split safety look or into like,
you know, single high, just likethe possibilities to to screw

(01:59:18):
with Q BS post snap. It's just it's got to bring a
smile to his face. I'm sure.
So. And I think, and I think Andy
Herman, there was a play like that that Andy Herman shared
with Simmons where he did. Was there exactly that.
I'm going to look for it. Yep, found it.
Here we go. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:59:39):
Just as just as we're doing thisfor funsies.
Do it. Do it.
Yeah, so like he's buzzing from a linebacker position to to
literal safety post snap as a rotation.
Like you're, you're you're kidding me.

(01:59:59):
Happily see this go. Oh yeah, an athlete.
I can do things with this. He is but also I'm trying to
figure out like what's the purpose of him dropping that
far? It's it's, it's, it's 21.
He's he's got the look on, I think the weak side of this play

(02:00:20):
and you kind of have this safetydropping in.
Right, well let me let me removeAyer's comments so we can see
that on the screen. Look at 31 dropping down into
kind of the rat area. Yeah.
It's just confusing a post look because he probably initially
aren't thinking about 31 as somebody who's going to drop
into like the robber rat area. Yeah.

(02:00:41):
It's just, it's just changing what maybe Baker is like
thinking he's going to get, that's all.
I mean, I don't, I don't mind this with a disguised look, you
know, like that's fine. But yeah, it's, it's a, it's a
trick play on defense like it's a, it's a disguise coverage for

(02:01:02):
a reason. Is he going to?
Play. You would do this with any other
linebacker who has any ounce of athleticism.
It just Would you do this with Oladapa?
Well. You do this with Oladapa 100%.
Would you have Oladapa lined up at at linebacker?
I don't know. Yeah, I mean.
This big issue I mean. I think you could do it because

(02:01:23):
simply what it is. Is it like Oladapa sitting in
the box as, you know, in that like rat robber look and you
just happen to rotate and McKinney rotates down and it's
just something like that kind ofchanges post snap.
So that's that's all I'm thinking.
They're like, you could do that probably.
And like, you know, could, could, could Cooper do that?

(02:01:45):
I don't know if you're putting Cooper like an actual linebacker
in a position where they're, youknow, hey, one free safety now
basically after this rotation, like I'm I'm rotating into the
single high look. Yeah, but you know.
We get to talk about Elton Jenkins.
Yes, that's probably our. So friend of the show Jersey Al

(02:02:09):
noted that this was one of thosesituations where the Packers
should have just been way more transparent and just told us up
front what the heck was going on.
Yeah, according to Elton Jenkins, his absence from

(02:02:31):
offseason programming for the Packers was family related and
had nothing to do with his contract.
And he doesn't expect there to be any adjustment to his
contract at all. And Courtney Elton Jenkins, the
move to center was his idea, andit was something that he said

(02:02:54):
he's envisioned for a few years,that he would make that move
further inside later in his career.
I mean, again, he played there in college, he did.
So it's not like this like, you know, it's not super new to him,

(02:03:14):
right? Like it's not like something
where you know, like, hey coach,I think I could do this.
It's like, hey coach, obviously I have experience here.
Like is that like, you know, is that something we want to do?
So, yeah, makes sense. But that yeah, that's that's a

(02:03:37):
that's a far cry from what we were talking about about a month
ago because wild. I'll differ that sounds.
Do you think that Elton is beingentirely forthcoming in this or
did things just not transpire the way that he was hoping that
they would? I've, I don't know, like I, I

(02:03:58):
don't want to accuse him of dishonesty.
Bit of both. It's just that like we heard a
ton of. It could, it could be that like
he, you know, if the conversation of like, Hey, I can
do this at center, you know, andit's like, hey, is there any
chance like I can, you know, guarantee money?
Is there anything we could do about the contract and all that?

(02:04:19):
And so he brought it up and Green Bay was kind of holding
firm and maybe that was a littlefrustrating to him.
I don't know it could be a bit of both, but maybe this as maybe
we were, you know, thinking about it and at leaks and we're
doing all this stuff like we just, you know, just took it at
it just took it in this ran ran ran with it like Usain Bolt, you

(02:04:44):
know, Green Bay and Elton both watching this going whoa, it it
didn't go down like this doesn'thave to be anything like
outrageous. You know it there there very
much could be that type of thing.
So it's probably, you know, it probably wasn't like outrageous

(02:05:06):
demand type of conversation typeof thing where it was just maybe
like, OK, that's frustrating, you know, because I kind of
brought this idea to you and like, you know, it's something
that that could I think work well for both of us.
It's frustrating. You won't give me any money type
of thing. And it could have been, yeah,
just a a more like serious conversation that didn't turn

(02:05:26):
into kind of like, oh, these guys Jenkins hates the Packers.
No. And the Packers, you know, are
frustrated with him. And it's kind of like, yeah, it
was probably just the the the media took and they took it and
ran with it maybe a little too far.
And it just kind of like, yeah, as as too old for this is
saying, you know, it's probably a little more in the middle.
It probably wasn't like, you know, this major spat probably

(02:05:49):
wasn't nothing, you know, I don't know.
He also said that he had suggested the move last year
when we had a, we had a center, Josh Meyers.
I just kind of like it for theirconfirmation bias of the fact
that everybody knew Josh Meyers was.
Yeah, especially last year. It's like, hey.

(02:06:13):
Hey, you know, I can do this. Also, Josh Meyers not cutting
it. You know, he's in there.
He's in there with like charts presentation.
He's got his elevator pitch. Like, hey, is Josh Meyers not
cutting it for you? May I present something me at
center? I played there in college.

(02:06:33):
Look at my look at my work in college brings up the PFF
pressure stats of like, look at this.
I know I'm versatile. You don't have to keep me a
guard. Why don't you go out and get
some guards and and I'll play Center for you.
Like like, I think I think that would be cool if that was like
the elevator pitch of like is Josh Myers ruining your
offensive line? Well, boy do.

(02:06:54):
I have a solution. 10 seconds in, they were just like, OK,
listen, yes. Listen, we're going to do.
We're in. And he's like, oh, I have more
slides, like, no, we have stuff to do.
The answer is yes. We're going to do this, OK?
Promise you that may not be right now, but we're going to do
this. I do like that.

(02:07:16):
Ron said. I would guess they told him
let's I, Jules says. I can imagine Jenkins on the
sideline next to Matt execute order 66 on 71.
I like it. 86718670. 1. He wrote it in the sand

(02:07:37):
somewhere. Oh man, there we go.
I love it. There we go.
I love it. I get the reference, Ron says.
I would guess they told him let's see how this year goes and
they'll revisit it before next year.
Is that possible? Maybe The one thing that would
make that possible is that his cap hit next year is $24.8
million. He's not getting a new contract

(02:08:00):
after this. I don't think they're going to
think so. Pay him at age 32.
I also don't think they're goingto cut it.
I could really 32 can't be, I don't know, like what do you
tack on one extra year in exchange for like a little bit
more cash? Something like that.

(02:08:20):
OK, he Yeah. So he is 30 in late December.
I forgot Josh Myers threw up on the football.
Oh, that's right. Yeah, Yeah.
So he will be. He will be 30 in December.
I was going to say 2019 this year.
Yeah, Yeah. So he will be 30.

(02:08:40):
But that means that he's play it, that that means, you know,
you give him a new contract whenhe's 31 1/2 or more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would, I mean, yeah, be
probably, yeah, 31 and a third or something like that is when
free agency begins. Yeah.

(02:09:01):
So it's a lot. It's a lot of money.
Get ready to learn Jake Slaughter, Packers fans center
from Florida. Get ready to learn The name kind
of brought him up last year even, but.
Jake Slaughter is going to be gone way before we're on the

(02:09:21):
clock. Just listen.
We don't. No, no, we, we can't speculate
at this time where he's going togo, OK.
Absolutely. We can speculate that the
Packers are. He's not going to be there at
pick 32. Well, that he probably won't be
there at pick 32. That's very true.
It all comes down to can Dante Vand Wicks hold on to the

(02:09:42):
football? Can Jayden Reid hold on to the?
Football J JS doing the smart thing where he's like we will
never get this guy at 32. Me, on the other hand, is going
How can we get Xavier McKinney and Caleb Downs on the same
team? Do you think Caleb Downs is
going in the top? Is he going in the top 10 picks?

(02:10:03):
Yes, in 26. Is he going in the top five
picks? I feel like he's right at like 4
to 6 range. I think if Tennessee's picking
like 6th, that's the move. It's right there right out in
front of you that that seems like, you know, let's, let's
early call that Tennessee selects Caleb Downs at like #6

(02:10:25):
or 7 early call. And then the year after that,
Jeremiah Smith goes number one overall.
Gosh, Jeremiah Smith and MatthewGolden are on the same team?
That's crazy. Boom.
We better not ever have the number one overall pick.

(02:10:45):
Zoom. Zoom.
No, actually, no. It's going to be it's going to
be Golden and Ryan Williams and they're going to call the
Packers receiver room. Zoom, Zoom.
Here's how the Packers get the number one overall pick in the
draft. They start losing my strategy of
trading for other teams first round picks all the time.

(02:11:06):
All right, you basically you always trade away your second
round pick for the first round pick of some team that you think
is gonna be garbage next year. Bears are a pretty good bet.
This just in Chris Ballot is offering a first round pick for
Belik Willis in an effort to figure out the QE position once
and for all. I have said that is my going

(02:11:27):
rate for Malik Lewis, for Sean Pick.
As it should be. As it should.
Be would I move him for a second?
This guy's dumb things. You want these guys in his wrath
who haven't done things? Can't be me.
Yeah. Dude goes into the Colts room
with charts like, hey, just do you want a quarterback?

(02:11:48):
Well. His other one was the Colts,
right? He beat the Titans and it was
the Colts was his other win, right?
Yep, yeah. Colts go man.
He handed the ball off really well in that game.
We we have a man he can hand theball off to.
And did you see how Jayden Reid decided not to drop the ball
when it hit him in the hands I. Feel like Tyler Warren won't

(02:12:11):
drop the ball when thrown to, you know, so you know, Never
know man, never know. But all right, listen, we're we
are out of time. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm going to give you the floor to drop your, your closing
thoughts on Packers training camp through Week 1.

(02:12:31):
What do you want to see in Week 2?
And you know what? What do you have for us as as
your your take away for for thisweek?
I think the, I think the biggesttake away is, is golden.
It has to be at this point for me.
I know, I know we have titled the show and that's, you know, a

(02:12:54):
close second or third, but Golden's the story right now and
that's great news for the receiver room.
As we've kind of mentioned, you know, it's it's going to push
everybody. It should be it should it should
be pushing everybody to be better should be, you know, so
like Dobbs is giving him tips and he is putting that all

(02:13:15):
together very quickly, like Reedand Wicks, you're 3.
It's time. Let's go.
Let's the the pressure's on. So yeah, it's it's golden
pushing, pushing the receivers in that room, pushing the DBS
right, challenging them, like all that stuff.
That's that's the story right now for me.

(02:13:35):
And if I may, Jeremiah Smith wasthe best player last season.
Ryan Williams had the best play last season of those two guys.
Sorry, can't get those two guys out of my head now.
We are. We went there.
We we got a long time to talk about those two guys.
We we got, we got a whole two years.
We do, we've got a lot of time. 2 years from now they will be in

(02:13:59):
camp somewhere. Too old for this has been
begging. Did you get a chance to watch
Space Chimps this week? Like you said, you were you were
going to try and do. I didn't.
I did not get to watch space chimps.
I I did watch Superman for for too old for this cause he was he
was on this for like 3 weeks in a row that we had to go see

(02:14:23):
Superman. So I did go see Superman and I
can confidently say this is the first good Superman movie of my
lifetime. They did a good job.
Hats off to James Gunn. It was, it was, it was good.
It was. I like that.
Yeah, I I enjoyed it a lot. Awesome.

(02:14:46):
It wasn't like laugh out loud, ha ha, funny, but it was it.
I think it struck basically the right tone through the whole
movie that it needed to. And you know, I'm I'm ready to
see the next installment in, youknow, the in that universe.
I think that'll be fun. Yeah, that, that'll be cool.

(02:15:06):
I I want to see that and I want to see Fantastic Four.
I know. That's why Tyler Gershaw was not
here. Right.
Yeah. Tyler Derschel, if you if you
catch this recording later, you were missed a lot.
You've been missed for a while. Can you hurry up and get this
wedding thing over with? Because you know.

(02:15:28):
Yeah. It ain't, it ain't been the
same, all right. Just saying.
Chad's been good, though. Chad's been good.
Chad has been good. I appreciate.
When we have the whole gang. Here I appreciate Ayers, yeah.
Ayers tool for this Chris N Ron sample has a lot of stuff, you
know, So yes, yes, it was good. The chat was popping.

(02:15:50):
We didn't have as many people active in the chat as we do
sometimes, but the guys who are in there.
Kept it popping, really kept going, yes, so.
Tool says who gets married? Well, misses Dirshel.
Missus Dirshel gets married, andwhat a catch she has on her
hands. All right, I think it's going to

(02:16:12):
do it for us. You've squandered yet another
perfectly good hour 2. Hours.
Two hours, it would have been three, but we had to get a A.
Late start probably would have probably would have been three
with us. Here on derailed in the words of
the late, great Mr. Ed Policy. Thank you SO.
Very much for watching. We'll catch you next week.

(02:16:34):
In the meantime, go, pack, go.

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