Packers 53-Man Roster Prediction: Injury Edition Challenge!

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Welcome back to Derailed. I'm your host JJ Leahy here with
my Co host Jake Chavink. How you doing today, Jake?
I'm good, I'm good. 19 days to the opener.
The summer air seems to be leaving us a little bit over the
next week, week and 1/2 so. Had a highest 72 for this week

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where I live so that's pretty nice.
A lot better than the 90s we were getting.
Yeah, you start to feel it. We are.
We are almost there. I see that the chat is talking
about Alien Earth. I saw the first episode last
Tuesday night after live stream,no Wednesday.

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I watched it Wednesday night, really love it.
But I'm a big Alien fan. So I think that you could enjoy
it without having seen any of the other ones.
But definitely it's geared to, you know, cater to the people

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you know, do do some service to the the fans of of any of the
movies. So, you know, it's, it's pretty
good though, Hulu. OK, that's such an.
Interesting idea, basically having super soldiers with the
minds of children and what couldgo wrong?
Yeah, Basically, I haven't seen the second episode yet, 'cause
I'm, I decided I'm gonna space them out one week at a time,

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make make it last longer, 'causeI, I have such a problem with
binging shows. I I do that every time.
So I'm trying, trying to stretchit out.
So tomorrow night or maybe, maybe late tonight if we don't
go long on here, but we might get.
We always go long on here. Yeah, yeah, I, I'm, I'm pretty
much banking on tonight being a late night no matter what, so.

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Tool for the said between the show and Romulus.
Alien is doing reboots, right? Is it a reboot?
I didn't think it was a reboot at all, but what do I know,
Maybe I'm not far enough along into the show.
Romulus. I didn't see how that was a
reboot at all. That seemed like it.
Here's what I'll say that I appreciate about both Romulus
and this one is they in both of them, they do like the

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retrofuturism kind of like they did in Fantastic Four.
So it creates kind of a nice continuity with with the
original Alien movie so that thelook of it is still the same in
the tech and and like. Even the fashion, the.

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Clothes everybody wears is stillthe same.
Did your kitchen catch on fire? The fridge door was open.
We, I don't know if anybody else.
So. Does anybody else experience
where at different times of the year your fridge won't close all

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the way on its own? Like for us in the winter fridge
closes no problem. In the summer it always like
swings back open. We have to go re like push it in
and hold it for a second. There's some, yeah.
There's something with the air, those much smarter than me would
know, but there's there's something, there's something to
that, yeah. You know who I feel I could

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answer that question for us is Chris Jackman.
That's probably true. It's a good point.
I do have our Mark Murphy minute.
Excellent. This is where we touch on News
of the Week and how it relates to your life and the Packers.

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This is brought to you by our very own Missus Leahy.
Missus Leahy says Starbucks is bringing their fall drinks back
within the next week. So you're gonna get your pumpkin
spice, everything they have, a toasted pecan something or

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another. And you know what?
Hey, that just means that football is here.
So I'm excited for it because when you start seeing pumpkin
spice everywhere, that means thePackers are coming back.
That means football is back. It's true.
Have you heard? Drew said.

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I went to Denny's and they already have their entire fall
menu. The World is a fall menu at
Denny's. What did they have at?
Denny's. Pumpkin.
There you go for sure. Maybe your coffee tastes like
burnt leaves. The apple cider Apple cider

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sausage. Apple cider bacon.
That's true. Chris says hot air causes things
to expand. J tool for this says JJ is
experiencing atmospheric pressure.
So call me fat. You call me fat Tool for this

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tool for this soon. And Musgrave does falls soon.
Yes, that's true. OK, here's the clarification on
the Denny's fall menu. Pecan pie and different kinds of
pancakes. All right, I don't know.
I I think I've been to Denny's in my life.
I have definitely been to IHOP quite a few times.

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Been to IHOP. Tool for this says Caribou
Coffee where I work launches their all products this week.
I don't have a problem with thisbecause we are at the end of
August and like I think I expectto walk into a store at the
beginning of September and see fall stuff everywhere.

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So this is 100%. Now it's when it mid-september
we start seeing Christmas stuff up, that's when I think we're a
little out of control. I the problem is, is I've seen
some pumpkin stuff out in early July and it's like, OK, OK, hold
on. It's July like 8th.
I don't think so, buddy. But like if we're in mid August,

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like especially, especially the further north you go, like the
fall air, I mean. And I'm, I'm considerably
further north than you, I think.And I would say right now, it's
still solidly summer air out there.
There's nothing fall at all. All the leaves are completely

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green. It's sticky and hot.
Derschel says. Sorry, I'm light, but I'm a
pumpkin spice fella. Here's my problem with pumpkin
spice gives me heartburn. Not much gives me heartburn, but
pumpkin spice lattes do. So my wife gets me pumpkin spice
lattes occasionally, you know, 'cause she'll go to Starbucks

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and get her thing and so she'll bring me back a latte.
And I really appreciate the thought and it does taste really
good. But, you know, I, I start
feeling terrible after just a little bit.
So that's my problem, Wolf. This is more of an apple cider
guy. OK so tool for this says not a

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fat joke. Was commenting on your fridge's
self closure capabilities. It's not AII.
Didn't think it. Was it's how temperature alters
pressure and expansion within the atmosphere.
All right, I. Don't know how I know here, he
says. Pumpkin spice is good in small
doses, but it gets old when everybody is doing it.

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See, but here's the thing. I don't, I don't partake of
everybody. I, you know, I got my redacted
energy, OK, They don't have a pumpkin site spice flavor.
They should. There's very, very few things
out there in the world that I partake in.
I watch football. That's that's one of the few
ways that I partake in. The world and the bread and

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service travel some things never.
Change spice bread with a cinnamon glaze is the move.
Please post that recipe in the comments.
Dershel, that sounds lovely. Yeah.
That sounds. Or if you have.

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I'll take that. I'll take that.
Instead of Venmo, put it on screen.
You you send that instead of Venmo, I'll do a mock draft.
I don't care. You send that sucker over, we'll
do a mock draft just for you. Drew said.
What do you think about the Vikings cheerleader controversy?
I actually have, because somebody sent me a link earlier.

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I have the video. Do you want, do you want to see
this, Jake? Have you seen this video?
Yeah, several times. You have OK, I'm going to play
it for the people. I'm a little bit nervous about
my Internet speed here. If this is actually going to
work. I don't know why this week and
last week I've been having Internet.
It's the fall air speed. Issues.
It's the atmospheric pressure, man.

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Things are going on, man. I'm a little bit curious, if I
just do this, can I just download the video and upload it
to our streamer? I can, I can, and so then then
we don't have to worry about trying to stream it from there.
You go, OK. All right, So we'll, we'll look

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at this and then and then Jake and I will share our thoughts on
this. I have I have a thought.
I have simply one all right, andit's I don't think it's that
exciting, so. You can't be the.
People are looking for exciting.Well, maybe.

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Maybe we. Get out of here, go to watch
Colin Coward and the guys at ESPN and can do that, I think,
if that's what you're looking for.
I just upload it the wrong way, re uploading it and.
The only outrage around here is when the Packers drop the
football. That's when they get the mega

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outrage around these parts. OK, just saying all.
Right here's the video. Minnesota Vikings debut new male
cheerleaders during pre season Game 2 versus the Patriots.
I will say this guy is giving ithis his all.
That is a lot of I don't know why we gotta get the weird
reaction. Yeah.

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This might be the worst part of the video bro.
OK, let me just say he is givinglike 100% effort and I respect
that. He has way more confidence than
I. I could never go out and do this
ever. Two of us says.
I get outraged when Luke Musgrave steals the field.
That's accurate. So all right one time so.

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Jake, your, your take on this isthat is that you think people
just want to be upset for no reason, right?
I think people, I, I think as a society, we like to look for
stuff to be upset about more so than not, which, you know, hey,
if you, if you want to live thatway, that's, that's up to you.

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You know, doesn't this, this, I'm not moved.
If somebody's pursuing what theywant to do, heck yeah, get after
it, give 100%, succeed. That's good by me.
My stance on this is I I don't want cheerleaders, period.

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I don't enjoy seeing people dancing in front of me while I'm
trying to watch a football game.Like, please, can we just, I'm,
I'm appreciative that the Packers don't do cheerleaders,
so I almost never have to think about.
Cheerleaders. This to me does not.
Add drumlines? Absolutely.
Yes. Is the Tundra line?
Was the Tundra line cool? Yeah.

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Is that more interesting? Absolutely.
No question. But yeah.
Bruce, I'm trying to figure out.Trying to.
Figure out how I will say the face on this guy that we're

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watching here. You see his face right there?
He looks a lot. What?
Not this guy. Come on, go back.
Who? Dang it, Why is it stuck on
this? OK, he looks a lot like Kirk
Cousins. He's got like the Kirk Cousins
haircut and colour. He does how to turn around, look
at. His face.

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It's like a way less buff Kirk Cousins if Kirk Cousins never
went to the gym in his life. Well, just.
Like this guy appears to be veryathletic gym but.
Does other things. I This guy's.
Not He's more worried about the the sort of.

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He's not getting the ball very fall down, far down the field.
I will. Most likely not.
So anyways, I, you know, there's, there's my take, Drew.
I think it Drew. Is it Drew?
There's a question. Somebody.
It was either Drew or yeah, Drew.
Drew wanted to know what we thought about it.
I don't know that it's a controversy.

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I think basically everybody for the most part doesn't just
doesn't like it. And they got a few people who
just don't care. And then I just don't.
This is the one. Cheerleaders.
Period. Kirk was an ultra marathon
runner. Yes, that's good.
I like that. Very accurate.

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Savannah Savannah Bananas cheerleaders are all dudes with
beard. Guts.
No, I don't think they should. Vikings should have gone that
route. No, we don't need to see that.
I mean, I have a we. Don't need that.
People are going to be getting hurt out there, you know?
I have a controversial take on the Vikings.
I think the Vikings simply shouldn't exist.

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All right, like I'm, I'm in. Favor of and there would be 31
teams. Minnesota Vikings folding?
Yeah, we can replace them with some other franchise in a
different city. We can have a San Antonio team
or go back to the Saint Louis oryou know.
Somewhere cool. The Saint Louis.
We tried it. It's fine.
It's over. We could put a team.

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This is, I know it's a crazy idea.
We could put a team in New York City, you know, Then New York
would have multiple NFL teams like New Jersey does.
That's true. That's, you know, there's
something there. There is something there.
What about? Oakland be a good place or I
know a city that desperately needs AI.

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Know. A pro.
A real NFL team. You're going with this?
PHOENIX, AZ. Oh, that's not where I thought
you were going. Do you think I was going to say
Chicago? Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah, I don't know, man. I, I, you know, I'm, I'm holding
off a little bit. I'm picking on the bears at the
moment because I think that they're not, they're not making

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all the stupid moves that they have made for the last five
years. So, you know, it's kind of like
when the. Adult goes in the room.
It's about time, isn't it? Well, it's like, you know, when
the when the Lions were so terrible for a bunch of years,
it was never surprising that they were bad.
It was always like, yeah, we sawwhat moves you made every single
offseason. This is about how many wins we

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expected when we saw the kinds of moves you were making.
You were a terrible franchise. So then when the when the Lions
finally stopped doing stupid stuff all year long, they start
winning games. It's crazy.
So, you know, sadly for me, the Bears have started making some
good moves finally. I think they put together a
pretty decent roster. I I would have hired Ben

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Johnson. I think Ben Johnson was a a
pretty good coaching candidate. There's been a lot of people
would have, yeah. I'm just saying there's been a
lot of times when they go hire somebody and I, you know,
scratching my head, I'm like, how the heck did you decide on
Matt Eberfluse of all? Yeah, that's a strange.
One that was a that was a bad hire from the beginning it.
Was extremely strange. I I have to go?

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Or like holding on to Ryan Pace for so many years.
Say what? I have to go.
I have to go. Remember who was in that cycle
with Eberfluse? Yeah, let's see, that would have
been 2022 I think, right? Yes, 'cause it's the year after
they draft the QB always right? So this would be Mike McDaniel,

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Kevin O'Connell. Well.
Brian Dabel, Doug Peterson, ToddBowles, Josh McDaniels, Matt
Eberfluse, Dennis Allen, Lovey Smith and Nathaniel Hackett.
This was a brutal cycle. So of those like Mike McDaniel

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and Kevin O'Connell. Best ones in your division.
Mike McDaniel and Kevin O'Connell, those were the good
hires. You know, I mean, I, I, I like
MM McDaniel, you know, well enough.
He's a little bit of a controversial coach, but I, I
like him well enough. Kevin O'Connell obviously been
doing a fantastic job with with Minnesota and I thought he was a
great, he's a great candidate. Basically everybody else was not

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not good. Peterson Peterson steered the
ship for one season and then decided he was kind of over it.
I mean, Dabel's still in in New York, so he is still.
There, Todd Bowles is still there.
I would say Todd Bowles was likemaybe, maybe the other good hire
besides O'Connell and McDaniel and everybody else was really,

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truly bad. The the rare the rare in house
promotion after someone retires who had already seen the
operation, how it was going right and goes OK, I know what
I'm not good at. He was also kind of annoying.
To some designers, you know he. Was also kind of anointed in
like, you know, he was the succession plan, right?

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Right. This is the plan for multiple
years. It was, yeah.
And he got incredible to him at the very least for getting
Canalis in there, for getting Cohen in there and like the
offense, which obviously he, youknow, isn't really responsible
for, like he's getting good coaches in there.
Can't wait to see if it happens in third year in a row.
They keep getting poached. But yeah, I mean, been just

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fine. Do you?
Have any? Do you have any thoughts on this
team up in Green Bay, WI called the Packers?
They've played a couple pre season games.
I don't know if you noticed. I thought it would be fun to
play a little game of stock watch.

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We could do stock up, stock downon some guys.
Works for me. I had a guy who I'm not I, I, I
don't want to get crazy far out over my skis here and claim that
I was going to be like all in onthis dude.
But Keith Randolph was waved like today, yesterday or today,

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I think today, yesterday he was waved yesterday with an injury,
which is unfortunate because I thought he played a really good
game against the Colts. He he got his hands on the ball
a couple times. He had two different pass
deflections overall, you know, just a nice effort from a guy
who I had just not taken any notice of at all prior to that

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game and now he's off the team with a a bad injury.
So that is disappointing for him.
And a lot of injuries. But I, I do have AI do have a
stock up. OK, All right.
And this is me trying to be not generous, intellectually honest.
How's that? A guy who I have never said a

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kind word about ever. Cornelius Johnson, I'm not going
to say that I think he's played fantastic in the pre season, but
in the first game against The Jets, he was one of the few guys
who was kind of showing some some hustle and some effort out

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there. And he was rewarded with a much,
much larger sample of playing time in the second game against
the Colts. So the coaching staff took
notice of what he did and rewarded him for it.
So, you know, a little tip of the hat to Mr. Cornelius Johnson
again, prior to these last couple weeks, my stance was

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always basically like, I don't know if he can play football.
I don't know if he's an NFL player.
Like he's really big and pretty fast, but, you know, really
tall. But like, OK, I, I don't think
he can play, but he's impressed the coaches and giving a lot of
effort out there. So I respect it.

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Want to see if he can put it together for a third straight
week here and, you know, maybe crack that practice squad or the
maybe the bottom of the roster, who knows?
I mean, there's still some jobs up for grabs for sure.
So there you go. There's I, I, I guess it is me

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trying to be generous, but also intellectually.
Honest SO. Yeah, I think that's a fair
stock up. Yeah, I, I think I, I think the
obvious one is Jordan Morgan, right?
I think you're seeing a player who, again, really we do we, I
mean, he played left tackle at Arizona, right footwork,

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balance, all of that looks a lotbetter.
I think he would still like to see him not kind of give away
his chest as much. He's still I mean, with that was
the we went through the film, right, long time ago, right.

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And it feels like a long time ago anyway, where he's going to
those guys who loops around doesthe bear hugs is always late to
the party in terms of initiatingcontact.
And it felt like it was better if if he can clean that up.
That's I think what's going to help him most, because I think
when we were talking about his fit last year when he was picked

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was like, OK, yap, he can fit atguard.
They're doing a lot of zone stuff this, you know, the
quickness will be a beneficial there.
Then things change. Josh Jacobs comes in, they're
running, you know, kind of a more versatile, you know, set up
with their run game, right. There's a lot more gap, a lot
more power involved. There's still zone, there's

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still zone runs, no question, but they're they're staying with
the mixed bag going forward. And that kind of to me, that
plus Belton coming in was kind of like, OK, well, they're kind
of phasing him out there because, you know, Shawn, Ryan
Banks, all these guys are a lot bigger and and more well built
to handle on the interior. Now.
Where the heck does he go? That's like, well, he's got to

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go. He's got to go back to tackle
now. He's got to be the the Dancing
Bear pass protection type player.
That Green Bay. That's that's what they want to
tackle right over everything else.
You know, what is the run game? Just kind of an added bonus to
them when they draft guys. Yeah, absolutely.
So that's kind of now where he fits best.
And yeah, I don't think the length was ever an issue, right?

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The arm length was an issue. It was just stop striking in
time being laid to the party, right, with the hands.
And so if he he continues to take these steps up and up, it
looks like there's potential that the plan, which we've kind
of talked about, you know, on multiple occasions in the
offseason of like, how does thisall shape up for 26?

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Well, if they're not, they don'twant to pay XI.
They don't want to pay Jenkins, right?
This guy's coming out like, OK, probably going to need Morgan
and Belton to both play. And it's OK Jordan Morgan moving
over, moving over left tackle like this probably what's in the
cards, at least what they're thinking at the moment for 2026.
So I think he, you know, made some important strides in the

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first couple games. The Jet game was a little
difficult. He didn't get to face a lot of
the top guys, right Jay Tufele, who's kind of more of a three
tech was was lined up a lot across from him to start that
game. So it's kind of like ADT now.
Kudos were handling him in termsof the power that he brings, but
obviously he's not going to create a ton of momentum
necessarily with the explosion. But Latu drew him in Game 2

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looks pretty good in that matchup.
And that was a matchup we saw incollege too.
We we saw that matchup. We saw what happened, a little
bit of a mixed bag back and forth in college, right?
And, you know, all things considered, Morgan did a nice
job. The footwork is obviously there,
right? He has the experience.
So, you know, I think feeling comfortable with the tackle

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position and I know everybody instantly when Jordan Morgan
does something good. Oh, we should trade with She
Walker. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa. Remember the Bach injury in
2020? Imagine if Green Bay had a third
tackle in the in the back pocket.
For an. Occasion such as that they're

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going to get a comp pick. They're going to get a comp pick
anyway people if he walks. I mean, they had a third tackle.
He just wasn't good at that. Just wasn't good, right,
correct. And if so, if, if Jordan
Morgan's built to handle it out there like you got three of
them. Don't don't mess around like you
want to trade a receiver, fine. Do whatever, whatever you want

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to do that be my guess. But we we aren't we aren't in
the business of trading tackles.We're not doing that.
Not giving Cynthia a tackle for Trey Hendrickson.
Sorry. No thanks.
Why don't you pay him 40 million?
Is it the? Since you clearly don't want to,
by the way. I think, I think Diana Rossini

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is the one reporting that the Bengals current asking price is
just a player and a first round pick for the honor of paying him
the contract that they don't want to pay him when he's, I
mean, like, let's be honest, like you hope that he's around,
but there's a very real chance that he's only in the league for
two more years just based on hisage.

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So yeah, Mike Parsons, I think they want 2 firsts and a player.
That's probably fair. I think what what whatever
Khalil we we did the Khalil Macktrade and what that was like.
That makes more sense for a player of that caliber at that
age. You know, to over this is asking
how the Bengals don't play Hendricks enough last night.
I don't even think Hendrickson'sgoing to solve their problems,

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to be perfectly honest. Like, I'd probably be doing what
they're doing is like, hey, we got to get some picks in here.
We need to restock the cupboard because this one guy's not going
to do it now if they can't get what they want.
Like kind of got a shot. What if they hired AAGM?
Do you think that would fix any of their problems?
And a probably a scouting staff that would that might that might

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help because man, I don't know. We we kind of go up and down
with the first round pick right in in Stuart and like how you
know, again, how good of a fit he would have been for Green
Bay, but how much we kind of didn't want that to happen.
The second round pick looks worse and.
Yeah, I, I don't off the top of my head, remember who our second

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pick. Was Demetrius Knight Junior from
South Carolina? So like they're both linebackers
got blocked by a tight end last night on a on a watch watching a
touchdown run. Like man, we are saw.
That that was, that was. Hideous.
The Eagles second teams going upand down the field against them
in pre season week 1 like boy. You know.

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It's got people to comments lastnight really quick.
I got people to comments last night saying they need to do the
5451 Greatest Monday Night Football Game Ever thing to win
every game this year, and that'sprobably not wrong. 5451 is was
that the Rams chiefs? It was, yeah, like.
That was that was my that was myfavorite non Packers football

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game. Such a good game.
Well, NFL game that I've ever seen that was so much fun.
And it's like they're. When you have to win those.
Rooms, yeah. You know, like last year, even
last year, Bengals, Ravens, bothtimes like that was like, you
know, we're putting up. Here we go.
Yeah, the Bengals lost 4138 in overtime and 3534.

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Get ready to. Right.
Yeah, get ready to put up 600 points to try and go 10 and
seven, buddy. Like that.
I don't, I don't know what to say.
Hey, you know what? It's tough out there a bunch of.
Twists Bengals in fantasy football, and you know that's a
profit there. Yes, that that is true.
That is true. Drew says Oladapo chart trending

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upwards. Robinson chart trending down.
Don't remember which guy is Robin.
Is that Michael Robinson? I'm assuming he's talking about
Michael Robinson. I'm looking at the whole roster,
which for some reason my roster has 98 guys on it.
Belton chart with downward trendas well.
Yeah. So I, I think Belton is kind of
one of those areas where you andI are disagreeing a little bit

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just based on like our, you know, the, the group chat that
seems like everybody's kind of trending out a bit on Belton.
And I think for me, like the needle just hasn't moved at all.
Like I was never super high on him, but I also just, I don't
feel like I've seen anything from him so far that is like

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giving me new information. We didn't have just been
watching him in college and people are upset about all the
penalties And I just like we, we've had guys with crazy
penalties issues. Rashid Walker, his his first
year that he was starting for usfor a full season, he had a
penalty in every single game he played that year.
We we tune those out, though, weforget once once they're good,

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We like, I don't remember being out that type of thing, you
know, gosh, every did George Morgan think, how long did that
take? Last year?
Watched Dujean play a couple games and go, I'm super out.
This stinks. It's like, hold on a minute,
maybe get maybe let him get up to speed a little bit here.
It's like, I know Alton's 24, soI understand like there's a

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little maybe a little more concern there because you would
ideally want to see that's always been the.
Concern for me is. The age, Yeah, Because you like
by. The time he, by the time he's
looking for his new contract, his second contract, he's going
to be 28 years old, right? Like that is why I hate the
pick. Is the age.
Can I and the fact that. It's not no, yeah, just the
thing like with Belda 24, right,versus 24.

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Fisk was 24. Those guys came in and did it
immediately and it's like, yeah,that's at 24.
That's I hope so Like that's that's what you want to see,
right? You draft a 24 year old, you go,
no, I I need it tomorrow, right?Not in three years.
I need tomorrow. That's the deal with the QB
thing a little bit more, right. But obviously quarterbacks tend
to play longer, but for other positions, right?

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Yeah, ideally you want that second contract to be done
around 30 so you can get those two full contracts in before you
start to hit that Cliff. And we're just not yeah, we're
just not in that in that position with Belton.
And so I think that's why maybe there's a little more concerned.
And I think that's understandable because yeah,
you're going. Well, we're seeing all these
penalties. And if he was 21, right, and had

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all these physical tools and wasa freak, you know, I think
there'd be a lot more like, OK, patients like, you know, we're
looking at 26 is totally fine. Like let's, you know, put that
in the back pocket a little bit while we while we see more.
But yeah, 24, I think that's probably where, as you said, the
age is probably the biggest concern that we're seeing all
this. But yeah, I mean, I think pre
season more importantly is just more evaluation, right?

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Like you've built all your notes, you've built everything
that your thoughts are on the rookies treat the three games,
hopefully three games as more evaluation, gather more info.
What are you seeing? What's new?
What's, you know, what's maybe more of a concern than you
thought, Like all of that I think is what you should be
doing for the Brooks and even the second year guys who haven't
done a lot right like Jordan. Morgan yeah, I I think I think a

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guy like Julian Hicks is, you know, like squarely in the
crosshairs of of a preseason period like this, of like you've
been here for a little bit and, you know, are are the coaches
going to decide that they have invested enough time and energy
into you and have they gotten anything for their returns?

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Like Julian Hicks to me is kind of maybe the poster boy for like
it's now or never if you're going to give the coaches a
reason to keep you around and keep investing in you.
So, you know, he had a nice catch in in this last game and
he was making some really nice blocks.

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I think the opening drive we went, went down and missed the
field goal. I saw three really nice blocks
by Julian Hicks. I really appreciate it.
And then on the second drive, then they went look to him, I
think on a 1/3 and long, I think.
And you know, he made the catch.So appreciated seeing him, you

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know, go do the The Dirty work and they get rewarded for that.
Drew says. I think Hicks is a guy that is
great for pushing other dudes inpractice, but he's never going
to be a player. Yeah, that's probably true.
That's probably true. You know, statistically
speaking. Yeah.
Can I Jake on on Jordan Morgan? Yeah, I, I, I still my, my

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opinion on Jordan has changed kind of only in one sort of
area. I don't know.
I'm probably not saying this right.
I always hated the idea of him as a guard.
I thought that he was just a terrible fit for a guard.
I didn't want to see him at right guard.
We tried to plug him in at rightguard.

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I thought he was not good last year.
And this Rashid Walker injury, you know, the second we heard
that Rashid was hurt, I thought to myself, well, obviously this
is great news for a guy like Jordan Morgan, who really needs
another crack at left tackle, which if he's going to succeed
with this football team or probably almost anywhere in the

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NFL, it needs to be at left tackle.
And so if Rashid misses a littlebit of time, like Jordan needs
to take this opportunity, make the most of it and and take
Sheed's job away, don't let him take it back.
And I my question to you is, do you think, 'cause I think this

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is what Goody wants. I think Goody and even Lafleur
have really wanted to upgrade from Regime.
I don't think that they have liked having Regime be their
LT1. Sure.
Do you think that so far Jordan Morgan has done enough this

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summer to let Goody and Lafleur justify making him the starter
over Rashid? Not saying whether you would do
it. I'm saying, do you think if they
already want to, because I thinkthey already want to, do you
think that he has given them enough to justify what they

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really want to do anyways? That's that's difficult because
again, summer, yeah, I mean, I wish wish I was Privy to a lot
more in camp of what we've seen from Morgan.
There's always the clips that goaround, right.
But from, from that standpoint of like from the Jet game in

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Indy and just kind of camp and, and, you know, the, the, the
practices, even though even those practices against, you
know, The Jets and the Colts andobviously Seattle's going to be
this week too. I, I don't, I don't think it's
quite enough. But what I will say is I think

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it's enough to, you know, give them the opportunity to to go if
Rashid's slipping at all, if they see something they don't
like that they could then go to him.
Like it feels kind of like the the like QB situation that

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almost that that almost, you know, you get that rookie in
there that like maybe wasn't thefirst round pick, right?
And you go, you know, he's better than we thought.
And we paid the starter. Once the starter slips up, we

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have the we, we are justified in, in making that switch.
I think that's kind of where I'mat where like they, they're kind
of like, OK, Morgan's done a good amount.
If if we don't see what we want to see from Rasheed, then they
maybe make that move. I I want to throw two things at

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you. 1 is so Jordan has played Ithink like 68 snaps or something
like that 60 something snaps in these two pre season games and
allowed zero pressures and I think also committed 0
penalties. I.
Believe that's true? Yes.
So, so if if they're trying to make any kind of a case on

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paper, that's a really easy caseto make on paper right there.
He's also. Here's the other thing I want to
suggest. So Notre Dame and Ohio State
both in the last couple days announced their starting
quarterback for the year. And in both cases they had

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highly rated recruit and dude, who's kind of been there a
while. So Notre Dame, you had CJ Carr
and Kenny Minche and kind of thereports all summer where Kenny
Minshee is solidly ahead of CJ Carr in in the QB battle the
whole way. And then CJ Carr, you know what

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we finally hear is man, in the last like 5 practices, CJ really
pulled ahead and cemented himself.
OK? Is that true?
Or were did the coaches really want it to be CJ the entire way
and they just really needed him to push himself and just, you

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know, really believe he was in acompetition and be the best that
he could be And then kind of like he would have had to really
kind of crap the bed to lose that opportunity.
Similarly Ohio State they have 5star Julian San red shirt
freshman in a quote UN quote QB competition with Lincoln

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Kingholtz from North Dakota or South Dakota I forget.
I think it's South Dakota who's you know pretty good athlete.
But like I never believed for a second that it was a real QB
battle at all. You had your truthers in the
Ohio State beat media who loved the idea of Lincoln Kingholtz as

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the next Ohio State quarterback,and we're really pushing this
narrative. I never bought it.
For a millisecond. I'm like, look, Saiyan is a five
star QB. He's gonna be the guy.
Like it's his job to lose. I don't think Keen Holtz can
take the job from him. Saiyan can only lose it.

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And then what we hear, you know,magically as soon as they name,
say in the starter is, oh, you know, the last two weeks it
really was AQB competition the whole way.
But the last two weeks, say, andfinally pulled ahead, it's like,
you know what? I noticed that you announced the
QB the same day you announced the QB every single year.

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So it's not like you just saw something in practice that made
you finally decide, yeah, it's time to make the decision.
You knew when you were gonna announce the decision, and I
think you knew quite a while agowhether he was good enough to
let him keep the job you wanted him to have or if he was going
to get demoted. So like my theory is this is

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this is more the situation we have with Jordan Morgan of
Goody's. Like I want to see my first
round left tackle out there on the field.
I want to see him playing like she'd love you, but I I burned a
7th on you. I just don't give a crap.
I want to see my first round guyout there.
Yeah, I think there's there's two other things I think that
you can make the case for the make it justifiable as well.

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Yeah, other than obviously as you said, taking him in the
first Round 1, he turned 2415 days ago.
We were just talking about, hey,when you're 24, we need to see
something Perfect time to say, hey, let's see something buddy,
since you're 24 in our first round pick.
And then the other thing is obviously keeping that
continuity up, right? It would be great that if, you

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know, Walker and Morgan could switch interchangeably and and
you're not, you know, losing anyof the cohesiveness that you
want to see from a group of five, right?
Like that's that's an ideal world, but that's never a
guarantee, right? Guys are wired differently.
Not everybody's just, you know, the mindless drone playing
offensive line right there. Everybody has their tendencies,

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their way of communicating all that stuff.
So yeah, if, if you want to makeit happen, those two things plus
him being a first round pick, I think make it justifiable
enough. Obviously if you were asking me,
you weren't asking me if I woulddo it.
So yeah, I think, yeah, I, I think that they can, they can

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certainly make it justifiable, Ithink.
You would have. She'd be the left tackle, right?
I probably would just start withjust because I've seen it in
games that count. And yeah, that's probably where
I'm at. But it's it's it's hard to
ignore, you know, Morgan doing what he has done, you know, in

(44:45):
the preseason to this point, even if it's not maybe against
what you what you would hope it to be against, right?
But yeah, I think it's justifiable, but I also think
it's justifiable to say like, hey, you know, we don't see
something from Sheed. We can go to Jordan Morgan
early, right? Not waste our time, right and

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just go yeah, Sheed, you're going to be the swing could be
the backup left tackle going forward here.
And so I I think they could takeeither path.
I I could see either happening. So would you and I, I will say
the thing about would. You sign off at all?
Go ahead, go. Ahead, would you sign off at all
on on doing the the rotation, the in game rotation every other

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series for a bit early on in theyear because they've done that.
I don't love it at left. Right guard, yeah, yeah, it is
different left tackle, but like they've made it work at right
guard. So if they wanted to do that
left tackle, how many alarm bells are going off in your
head? I don't know about alarm bells

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necessarily, but it's kind of. I, I guess it's just saying
they're kind of unsure and they,you know, they're taking it that
they're being more cautious of like, we don't want to throw
Jordan out there. We'd love to see reps But yeah,

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I mean, it's, it's at left tackle doing that.
I I don't love that because again, the cohesion as a group
drive to drive, I feel like you'd want it more at left
tackle, right guard. I think you can is, is something
you can get away with more. Plus, I believe the week they
were one of the weeks they were doing that, it was against the
Rams without Stafford, if I'm not mistaken, which is kind of

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like a yeah, you can, you can probably do it in this game and
get away with it because they don't have their quarterback.
But yeah, I, I wouldn't love it.I, I, I have no problem with
them going either way. Like if they, if they believe in
Jordan Morgan, I, I think probably just do it.

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If they're a little hesitant, I would just I would wait for you
know, if she struggles against the Lions, if he struggles
against the commanders right early in the season where you go
OK, yeah, this is kind of our concern.
We want to see more of this and and I think to the run game
point because somebody said Ron Samville said if Morgan run
blocks better and doesn't get penalties, he probably should

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start. There were certainly some reps
and I think in that jet game where you know, it's it's to
fail a opposite him right. So it's ADT kind of setting an
edge and he was moving him a little bit and and I think with
good strikes you can do that. And so, you know, he's he's
66320, right? Like he's, he's, he's bigger.

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He's not, you know, 300 or anything like that.
Like he should have the mass density and, and, and the
momentum enough to move guys around.
And you know, if you're getting that, yeah, it's it's going to
be tough to it's going to be tough to sit in so.
I like I like Drew's thought I could see them rush or saying

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let's not rush Rashid Walker if that's possible and give Morgan
opportunities in the first few games.
You know, that's that makes sense because it's a good way to
let kind of everybody save face.Yep, like she'd you're not
healthy, you're OK Like, oh, well, she'd was hurt.
So Morgan had to play if it doesn't go well.
Yeah, that type of thing. And like, she's she's back.
He's healthy now, right. Yeah, That, that would make a

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lot of sense, too. For sure Stinks of this is
happening at left tackle, but I,I, if, if they're going to
figure something out, I, I want them to be right here, no matter
what that ends up being. So you know, how whatever it
takes to get there by, you know,mid season, end of season, like

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that's fine. Like figure it out, figure out
who the left tackle is and is going to be like works for me.
And, and yeah, I think, I think anything but a rotation I think
would, would track. Like, you want to make the move,
you make the move. Fortune favors the bold.
Be bold when everyone else is afraid.
Like, go ahead. Yeah or yeah.

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Save face. You know, she's hurt.
Jordan's going to play. Oops.
Jordan's not doing too well. Proceeds back.
He's good, healthy, good to go. No problem with that.
So it's an interesting situation.
But again, it's it's one where Iwould for those who are in here,
maybe just a little bit after westarted this conversation, if

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Jordan Morgan starts, do not start sounding out those alarm
bells of, oh, we should trade Rasheed Walker.
No, no, no, no, because the instant, the instant if Morgan
goes down, we're like, oh, crap,we don't have Rasheed.
Now we got to go get him back. It's like they're not giving,
they're not giving him back, buddy.
So I would I would not even think about doing that.

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Like if Golden and Savion JJ were both like really good to
start the season, yeah. Would I trade one of the one of
those three that, you know, are one year or two years left on
the. Oh, sure.
Yeah. I I could definitely see that.
We also have an abundance of wide receivers that are similar
talent. You know, looking at the tackles
we have on the roster, I mean, it's Zach, Tom, Elton Jenkins,

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Jordan Morgan, Rashid Walker, and then at that point you are,
you are, you are in Shawn Ryan territory way quicker than you
want to be. Right.
And and if Elton Jenkins gets into the picture, that is
removing something from center and then you got to figure out
who's playing center. I think a lot of people don't
like Shawn Ryan playing center. Jacob Monk, you know, they've
been trying him at guard. That's that's been atrocious.

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Well, that so. So we did.
We did Jordan Morgan really long.
My stock down was going to be Jacob Monk.
Like I did a stock down a week ago on Jacob Monk and I want, I
want to sell even more stock on Jacob Monk.
Is there anybody out there who'sgoing to buy some stock for me
'cause I want to. I mean, I, I never even bought
some buy lows out there. I was gifted some Jacob Monk

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stock by Brian Gudiken's on the day he drafted him.
I said I don't really want this.He said no, you got to hold on
to it. I'm like, OK, I'm still trying
to find, I'm still trying to find buyers for for my low, low
Jacob Monk stop stock, Mr. Butt Licker.
Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's a tough one

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for sure. Oh, and Belton, you're right.
Belton. Belton probably.
Well, that's true also. And tackle before Shawn Ryan
does. Frankly, Shawn Ryan, like I, I
like the idea of Shawn Ryan as our right tackle when he was a
draft prospect. Anytime we've ever seen him at
tackle, it's like I I close my eyes like I don't want to see

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anymore. The foot speed, the lack of the
length, it's all showed up, which doesn't show up for some
guys, right? It just depends.
But it didn't it it was a problem for him.
That's a good way to say it 'cause I I certainly don't write
people off for tackle for havingshort arms.
I get more concerned about guards with long arms than I do

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technical short arms. But it's a player by player case
and some of the guys can't make up for having short.
Arms, right? Bruce says he's out on Monk.
Bruce, I, I you should you should take Monk off of your 53.
It should do that. Interesting, you should do that.

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Bruce. We got some in the chat as well.
Let's want to get through, Derschel said of our Johnson.
Stock up. Yeah.
Yeah, let's have a running back conversation.
There was another running back question.
I'm trying. Do you remember who asked the,
like, passing Marshawn Lloyd question?
I don't know if we started that one.

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OK, find this. We can give him credit.
But somebody asked, like, at what point do Emanuel Wilson and
I think Amar Johnson or Chris Brooks pass up Marshawn Lloyd
for the coaches? I got it.
Yep. It's a good question.
Like for me, like Emmanuel Wilson for me is firmly our RB2.
And I, you know what, I'm just going to go ahead and say like

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Chris Brooks's RB3 probably. And like if we ever see
something from Marshawn Lloyd, OK.
But you know, I went back, I found, I found something I, I
wrote for the 2024 draft class about the running backs and I
was super down on that running back class.
I did not like the 2024 running back back class.

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And there were a couple of smallguys who I said like, hey, on
day three wouldn't mind these guys, blah, blah, blah.
And I wrote about Marshawn Lloydand I said the biggest reason I
don't think that he is a Packer is because of his age and the
number of injuries he had in college.
Now, I don't remember sitting here today.

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I don't remember that he missed a bunch of time in college.
But that's what I wrote at the time was he missed a bunch of
time in college from all these injuries.
He had hamstring injuries in college too, which like how many
hamstring injuries has he had inthe Packer?
Like 3, at least two, at least 2because he's got a hamstring
injury right now and he had one last year.
He also had, I forgot about this.

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I wrote that he had some significant fumbles problems in
college as well, both at South Carolina and USC.
So, you know, I, I think by the time, you know, we were like a
week out from the draft or something.
I think prices. Have never been lower.
I, I, I think I had kind of cometo the point where I said like,

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I basically hate this running back class completely.
Marshawn Lloyd is my RB one, butI also just don't want a, a
running back. And then we took Marshawn Lloyd
in the third round and I was OK with it because that's kind of
where I had said you would need to take Marshawn Lloyd, you
know, But like, I unfortunately where we sit here today, August

(55:09):
19th, 2025, I think it was a badpick.
I, I don't, I, I think he was a busted pick.
I think he's just not going to end up really playing for us.
He can't stay healthy. We got two years of complete
inability to like how many? How many days in practice is he
able to string together like 3 or 4 at most before he's out

(55:30):
again like this? This dude can't even stay
healthy enough to. Practice.
Ever listen? I try to like everybody knows on
the YouTube channel I'm trying to do, I'm trying to study
players who I think the Packers won't draft because we already
break down all the guys the Packers do draft.
I'm trying to find the guys the Packers won't.
And that like 3 days before the draft, I'm like, they're not

(55:50):
picking Lloyd. I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do the Lloyd video now because I, I didn't think
they were going to pick him. I, I, yeah, I was trying to
remember if it was like, oh, well, they're going to go all
bigs and they're going to like, oh, Braylon Allen might be the
guy, you know, type of thing like it.
That might be what they do Isaiah Davis was another big
one. Funny enough, both those guys
end up in New York, but with TheJets.

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But like those were the guys were like, OK, they they might
just they might just take a likea little swing here.
Ray Davis was another one. I think that that was talked
about quite a bit. And so yeah, that it was
surprising that they went that route.
The explosiveness, yes, totally understand that, right.
But they're, you know, it kind of is one of those weird things
with Goot. Like it's like, OK, why are you

(56:33):
picking the running back when the class is not good And then
this year comes I don't. Understand why he's been doing
that last and the class is good.And we're not doing it like I
he's like there are so. Many years that really like
digging at the places where the draft was really deep and now
he's doing the opposite. He's like only swinging where

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it's thin. It does seem like, and also also
my, my biggest problem with him is like how late he is to
everything. He's always like a year after
we're all concerned about a position like safety, tight end,
cornerback, defensive tackle. A year after we are in full
panic mode and he's like, whatever.
And we tried out there with likeMcDonald's employees at safety

(57:18):
and we're like, what is going on?
Then the next year he's like. Well, that was bad.
Why? Don't I go spend a lot on
getting the whole new safety room and then?
Wow. Magically it worked and we have
good safeties. I wish you would have done that
a year ago. Yeah, when we knew we didn't
have any safeties. Yep.
No, it listen, you want an explosive player who fumbles?

(57:43):
Basil Tootin was in this draft like you.
You could have had him at about the same spot.
Like we could have done that. Like, there's no problem.
So, yeah, I, I, I agree. I just, it, it is, it is
strange. It's, you know, hey, we need 2
receivers this year in a class that isn't as good as 24, but
we're going to do it anyway. I, I don't know, it's very, very

(58:06):
strange. Like get the receiver in the
class that's really good and then, you know, oh, again,
that's nothing against Golden, right?
Because I think we think Golden is going to be good.
Like everything we've seen so far is is telling you, you know,
the vibes are great, but it's just it's very strange that it's
it, it does seem like, and thankgoodness he got Cooper last year

(58:27):
because that library class took a dive off the Cliff after those
first three guys really, you know, from I think Cooper,
Coulson and and Wilson, like, itfelt like it took a absolute
dive off a Cliff. And Wilson had a bunch of injury
issues right as on top of it. So it was like, well, we even
take him. So, yeah, it does seem like it,
it does seem like that happens. So yeah, it, it is a very

(58:50):
strange, strange deal. 2 of thisis the one who had the Amar
Johnson pass up Lloyd and Wilsonquestion.
I don't think Johnson will pass Wilson.
I'm in agreement with JJ that heis the RV 2 until further
notice, unless Trayvon Hendersonwalks off a plane tomorrow and
we found out we traded for him, Emmanuel Wilson will be the RV 2

(59:14):
for this team. So yeah, it does.
It does seem like. I mean, if Marshawn Lloyd is can
ever get healthy, I think that Lafleur and company are going to
try and put him out there as RB2.
I did find or I just, I, I pulled up.
This is the thing that I wrote on Lloyd on March 29th, 2024

(59:38):
said I just don't think he's a Packer.
Pros 7 yards per carry. Cons He's short and old with an
injury history. Pretty much only a runner and
one with major fumble issues at that.
As a runner he has fantastic instincts and natural God-given
athletic ability and burst, but he is extremely raw, was not

(01:00:01):
developed. He's smart and knows defense but
his form is all over the place. I just don't it.
Was super it was super interesting because I felt like
his his best fits were like, OK,this is the lane like either
take time for it to open up, which he would or just attack
and he did that right. And so like, oh, Green Bay's

(01:00:22):
going to run more gaps though with Jacobs coming this year.
OK, this can this can work Like we don't have to thrust him into
like, hey, inside zone, read theback, you know, read the
backside, read the backside a gap, right?
Or, you know, stay front side, stay front side, pick off lanes
that are opening, you know, to cut back.

(01:00:43):
Like you. We're not going to do that as
much. OK, this this can work like it
is very possible. But yeah, I mean, he was
definitely like a good gap runner.
And there were there were quite a few of those in last year's
class, but it's just Yeah, it seems like.
Yeah. I don't know what to say

(01:01:04):
anymore. I just, I, I would, I, I might
call a Mulligan on my over undergames that he's healthy during
the season. What did we even say last time?
Did I say 2 1/2 or 3 1/2? I said 6 and you said 6 1/2.
I did. OK, I might have to drop that
down. Yeah, you know what?
I'm certainly like my 3 1/2 better.

(01:01:24):
I would, I would like your 3 1/2at this point, you know, in
terms of that over under. So yeah, I, I it's not looking
good. Here's a some comments also.
Can we can we do this one? So Drew says back up on Warren
Brinson. So I think, and I might be

(01:01:45):
wrong, I don't have the PFPFF stats in front of me, but I
think that he led the defense with six pressures that might be
completely wrong that that's what I think 6 pressures in this
Colts game, which playing from the defensive tackle position,
him and Stackhouse both have a crazy amount of pressures.

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So I appreciate that. This is kind of the first
interesting thing I've seen fromBrinson, who was, I don't know,
not my favorite draft pick, you know, the 7th rounder, but I
usually don't care for a 7th rounders.
The notable exceptions would be like Michael Pratt and Rashid
Walker. So Brinson has five pressures

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this preseason. He did have four in the. 4.
Indie game, yes. All right, still crazy good,
especially from the defensive tackle position.
So 7 between the two of them. Yep.
Ron says Daniel Jeremiah had himRB one in that draft.
I think you're talking about Marshawn Lloyd.

(01:02:50):
Yes, I, I, that's true. I think which Jake and I both
said he was our RB. One in that class?
No, not Lloyd, not for me. Hold on.
Mine was definitely Brooks, who was also dealt.
With I like I looked Brooks and Benson and I also liked
Estimate. I think you didn't like it.

(01:03:11):
Estimate not. Right, I did.
So my list is Brooks, Benson, Jalen Wright, Quorum Estimate,
Shipley, Davis, and then Lloyd as my top 8 I had and then Bucky
at 9, which he's been better than all of them so far, which
is, you know, it is what it is. I like Bucky as well.

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I had Marshawn Lloyd won. Then I had Brooks estimate
Benson, Bucky, Michael Wiley, Blake Corum, Jalen Wright,
Dillon. Now be, and then I had a, a pile

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of like, here's here's guys I would be interested in for like
UDFA, which is Isaiah Davis, Kimani Vidal, Isaac Grendo,
Tyrone Tracy. Yeah.
So that would be that. That would be that pile.
Yeah, I was wondering if they were going to take the flyer on
a on a Tracy at all. I thought Tracy and Lauby both

(01:04:15):
kind of made sense as Packers fits and I I kind of liked the
idea of Jalen Wright a little bit did really did not like
Isaac Grendo at all as a Packer though.
Grendo just again in that similar vein of like.
Hey, no production. Outside zone, wide zone, if

(01:04:37):
we're not doing that anymore, ifwe're mixing the bag like not
sure about that. You thought loud we looked like
a creep. Who?
I don't remember saying that. Did you say that he looked like
a creep? I need to look at kind of
pictures. Doesn't sound like something I
would say, but. Doesn't sound like something I

(01:04:59):
would say either, but maybe, OK,I'm look, maybe I'm way crazy on
this. I don't think I've ever seen
this dude's face before. Here's Dylan Albee's face.
But. Let's see here, I'm going to
collapse it a bit. Look like creep.

(01:05:23):
Pretty normal dude to me. Looks like a Dylan.
He does look like a Dylan. A Dylan or maybe a Kyle?
There's a little bit of. Chat I could also actually,
maybe I shouldn't say this. There's a little bit of Chad in
there. Maybe you shouldn't.

(01:05:44):
Little little Chad, little little bit of Jake in his face,
I could believe this is a Jake. I could buy that.
I could buy that. Now that's a Dylan for sure.
That is a Dylan it. Is certainly a Dylan.
To over this, says JJ. It was you all right, I guess I
said he looked like a creep. I don't remember ever saying

(01:06:04):
that, but I don't. I don't think that you are a
dishonest person, so I must havesaid it.
Little Brock Bowers. Sure.
I mean the, you know, receding hairline.
A little bit. Yeah, a little bit.
It's not not terrible. It's.
I wouldn't say he has any more of a receding hairline than I
do. Maybe, maybe less of one.
Well, I guess it's that's up there pretty high.

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Chris. Where was the Tampa Bay?
That's Bucky. It's.
Bucky. Where was he?
Or just. He for me, Bucky, you.
You had Where did you have Bucky?
I had Bucky at. 9th. I had one 2345.

(01:06:56):
I had him 5th. 6th. Round in between Trey Benson and
Michael Wiley. I don't think I had.
Wiley is currently with the Chiefs.
Oh wow, so they have Michael Wiley and Jared Wiley.

(01:07:18):
That's Wiley. He signed with the Commanders as
a UDFA, then he went to the UFL,and then he was waived by the
UFL and then signed a futures contract with the Commanders but
was released on July 22nd and then just got picked up by the
Chiefs one week ago today. So there you go.

(01:07:42):
Michael Wiley has not panned outso far and is not really on the
trajectory you'd like to see. Yeah.
OK, more comments. We want to get to.
I want to. Get to some that aren't starred
as well. Well, I guess we're.
OK, well go ahead. Go ahead and start them so we
can we'll. Go down the Hopper one.
Well, the just so like Speaking of Hopper, I know Professor
Cakes want to say hello because we really didn't get to his

(01:08:06):
question. I know Ron Samville said he
wanted to trade Simmons stock for Monk stock.
That's probably another stock down.
Is is Isaiah Simmons right? Let me ask you this Simmons
question. Do you think Simmons makes the
roster as a special teamer or does not make the roster?
Those are your two options. Because he's not making a roster
as a freaking defensive linebacker.

(01:08:27):
I'll tell you that. No, no, no.
Yeah, I don't. I don't.
I don't think he makes it. I think they tried it.
You know, they're maybe hoping to see a little bit more than
special teams, and I think they might just outright say no.

(01:08:50):
I think it'll be interesting to see which special teams players
they feel that they have to keepon the roster and that that'll
probably kind of inform whether Simmons makes the team or not,
Ron says. I hope I didn't miss the Hopper

(01:09:11):
talk. We haven't talked about him yet,
so we have not. You brought him up wondering if
we were still completely out on him.
All right, so I'll do it. I'll do it.
Stock up on Hopper little bit. I have seen more from him this
pre season than I've ever seen from him before.

(01:09:33):
I'm not gonna say mean things about him until the next time he
does something stupid, OK? Yeah, he has, He has.
Played well enough to get me to stop saying mean things.
I think I I'll tell you this, I would rather have Tyron Hopper
playing linebacker force than Isaiah Simmons.
How's that? Yeah, I think that's fair.

(01:09:56):
I would rather have, I would rather play Christian Welch than
Tyron Hopper, but I'd say it's close where we sit today.
Yeah. Do you have a?
Do you have a flag you like to plant for Hopper?
He's probably at the very least either the second or third guy

(01:10:17):
to be kind of the middle line backing Thumper on this defense.
Just kind of I, I would say depends.
I think, you know, what they're going to do in base that maybe
he gets on the field a little bit more.
But I, I think he has certainly done enough to earn the right to
be sticking around, you know, for potentially the, the entire

(01:10:43):
rookie contract. So, you know, we'll see.
I, I, they like Mcduffie. I don't know if he's going to
pass Mcduffie anytime soon. I.
But. Can, can, can you, can you tell
me what you don't like about Mcduffie?
Because it seems like everybody doesn't like Mcduffie and I, I
still, I think like, I think I still like him as our like 4th

(01:11:10):
linebacker pretty darn well. Oh, that's totally fine.
Yeah, I. Mean, I have no problem with
that. Our our our third linebacker
right now, I guess yeah, probably 3rd for me.
It's it's Quay coupe and Mcduffie are are top three.
Yeah. And I, I think like what I I'm
not opposed to upgrading from Mcduffie, but Drew says he can't

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cover. That's, I mean, yeah, I think
the maybe Mcduffie is just aesthetically not what everybody
wants because I think either 2:30 or just under 230 and he's
a downhill thumper type who struggles a little bit in
coverage and you go, well, that seems, that seems super
backwards. So I don't like that.
But yeah, I mean, obviously he doesn't set the athletic ceiling

(01:11:55):
that these other guys do, right.And so maybe that's, you know,
what people don't like. And I think that's fair.
And I think if you know, for me,I wasn't like, I don't think I
was super in or out, unlike whether he'd be back or not.
Now the Christian Welch stands like Chris the casual and his

(01:12:16):
posting like that's and that's maybe just yeah, it's it's more
interesting because he's new andhe made some splash plays and
and want to have him stick around type of thing.
Wait, who's who's new? Christian Welch isn't new.
He's been here for a while. I know, but well, I guess the,
the idea of him, you know, making an impact and being

(01:12:41):
involved in like, you know, on game day, I think was kind of
like a splashy new idea a littlebit more last year and was like,
oh, like what we get on the field like this could be fun.
And and Mcduffie's kind of the steady presence that's maybe not
flashy at all, but can set enough of a floor and people
don't like that. And and I get it.

(01:13:01):
I understand, right, that, you know, Kuai, obviously, you know,
if he starts to come into his own even more, continuing to
play the middle linebacker spot,like he's big and fast.
And if he can do that, like you should be excited about that
ceiling. Ezrin Cooper, you should be
excited about that ceiling, right?
There's also nothing wrong with some steady lunch pail guys

(01:13:23):
behind them, right? I mostly have liked welding
guys. Special teams player.
I think he's fantastic on special teams.
Yeah, he played a lot of specialteams for us in 23 and I was
kind of upset that we moved on from him and and from who's his
name, Eric. Eric Wilson, Eric.

(01:13:45):
Wilson was another special team who I really, really liked.
But yeah, I mean, as as as defensive linebackers, sure.
Like they're, they're not reallygood enough to be starting, you
know, and we need 3 starters outthere.
For me, I think Mcduffie, I, I think he provides enough of a

(01:14:07):
solid floor that I'm not nervousabout having him out there as
our third backer. And, and I, I just don't think
we have anybody else who I wouldat all, you know, consider
besides Hopper. So Ayers says Hopper over
Mcduffie. I I would put Mcduffie over

(01:14:31):
Hopper right now, but I'm certainly cool with like Hopper
trying to push Mcduffie, said another one that was weird here.
Hopper or Quay? I don't know.
Quay, I don't know how you arrived to that like Quay is.
I'll be asking, just throwing some feelers out there, you
know? Quays LB1 for me.
Sorry, Brian, I have redacted right here.

(01:14:56):
So this is the America Pop flavor of redacted.
Yeah, but we try and not give redacted screen time because
they don't sponsor the show I keep, I keep tweeting at them.
I, I send them, I sent them an e-mail and asked them to sponsor
the show. They didn't get back to me.
So, you know, we're trying to limit how much screen time they
get. I would also like to say that

(01:15:18):
I'm starting to talk to other redacted energy, purple redacted
energy as well about something. So there is, do you know the
girly I I, I'm, I'm trying to like just not say the names, but
do you know the really popular girly redacted energy that is

(01:15:38):
like really trendy right now? No.
So there's there's another redacted energy out there that
does all the crazy fun flavors right now.
They have a witch's brew flavor.It's like a caramel apple.
Yeah, we talked about this, yeah.

(01:16:00):
Oh, it's so which one? It is.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
Right, right tool for this. Do not type that.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What's going on here?
Everybody's typed. They didn't pay.
Us. They didn't pay us, Ryan.
Brian's also typing, but they didn't pay us either.
They didn't pay us either. Cool for that says I'm sure

(01:16:20):
water will sponsor you. Look, you say water as though
there aren't brands of water. There are brands of water who
are also not sponsoring us. We'd be in trouble.
I think if there was a, if therewas a beverage company that was
sponsoring us that had nasty tasting beverages that we didn't
want to drink, that would be brutal.

(01:16:40):
Like we'd have to sit here, but.Everybody can be like, drink
this, it's like money. To be honest, I, I would, I
think I'd rather do that than beone of the billion people out
there that have to market betting sites to be honest,
because Oh my gosh, I just here are my picks that I have to put

(01:17:00):
in this week for this and like, please do this.
That's a brutal 1. I also can't believe how many
podcast that I try and tune intothat are advertising the little
blue pills and I'm just. Like, Oh yeah, I know.
Bro how? How much are they paying you?
Like, I'm sorry, like. Oh bro.
I don't have a problem with somebody needing that, but I'm

(01:17:21):
not doing an ad read. About that on my podcast.
No, no, no. But there's a lot of them.
A lot I. Know, I know, there was all the
college football. Podcasts are are doing that.
There was, I forget. There was somebody mentioned it
to him. I think the Ringer's NFL draft
and fantasy show that flip flops, right, Depending on the

(01:17:42):
season. They had an ad not about those,
but it was I think something I, I think it was, I think it was a
feminine product that showed up on the Spotify ad.
Like Spotify ran that ad and I think they discussed it the next
show of like we got a lot of we got a lot of people talking to
us about this being an ad. There is of our shows.

(01:18:08):
So yeah, I, I do fight there's adynamic ad that runs well or ran
like a year ago or so for a feminine product.
Yeah, too old for this Yeah. So that that's the thing And
look. Again.
And that was no. Problem with the problem.
But no, no. The the specific ad for it was
like so gross. Like exactly the same way.

(01:18:31):
Right. I don't think no.
Look up demographics, not sayingand even.
If it were, even if it were, andeven if you're like, hey,
listen, I see that this footballpodcast that 5% of our viewers
are, are women. So I'm gonna really try and
target them like you. Know what I'm doing?
Look. We love having women follow
football. We love having women who know a
lot about football, but it's kind of self selective and we

(01:18:54):
can see our analytics. We can see that over 95% of our
viewers are male, all right. So it's like where?
Why are we throwing that in there?
Yeah, I don't know That was that.
Was a strange time specific ad. Yeah, that was a strange time.
Just like the direction they chose to go with it.
It was like, if you're doing theDude Wipes one, like and I, I

(01:19:16):
don't like the Dude Wipes ads either.
But if you're like doing it and then getting super descriptive
the whole way through, like it'sthe exact same level of detail
we're getting into with it. And I'm just like.
I'd rather. Not do that.
Either I like we're doing like 3dynamic ads per episode of this.
I can't. Yeah, it's bad, just ads in

(01:19:37):
general. But that's why we want products
that we enjoy using and enjoy talking about.
How much time do we spend talking about a product like
this on this show? And they're not paying us.
We derail. No, Brian.
Did it Brian derail ours with this?
One Well, this is the only reason he tunes it.
Let's be honest, Brian is not interested in our football
takes. He does not like listening to

(01:19:59):
talk about football. It was good, but he does like.
Derailing us with with this. And that was not safe for work.
Agreed. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Professor Cakes says. I identify as one of those metal
balls from a pinball machine. That's very specific.
That's interesting. You're not going to derail me
with that, though. I'm moving around now.
Professor Cakes though, I need to put these up there because we

(01:20:21):
were talking about the shifting of the offensive line.
He says put Matt Orszack at center.
This is rage bait for JJI. Think he said if he could log
snap he could play center right,basically the same position.
Can he long snap? That is the question, no?
If he can long down, we all wantto know, can we want?
That is no and Professor Cake's drop it.

(01:20:41):
A real good wood there. Lloyd needs to eat his milk and
drink his veggies. Well done, well done.
What about drink his veggies andeat his milk?
You can do that. It's possible you can, and it
does not take a lot of work to make those products do.
Those no, I don't think I'd wantto eat the milk when it's done
and ready to eat personally, butyou know, it is it is doable.

(01:21:04):
Do you remember that? Oh, what, what was the, the,
what was it? The something, the something
couple, like The Odd Couple or something like that.
And it's it's like Walter Matthau.
I forget. Anyways, it's these two old guys
who have to move in together andthey're they're, and there's
this scene where they're like, the one guy is like a clean

(01:21:26):
freak and the other guy's reallymessy.
And they're like arguing over the fridge.
And the one guy pulls something out of the fridge and he's like,
what is this? And the other guy's like, oh,
that's that's either very old meat or very new.
Cheese. Oh yeah, yes, that's true.

(01:21:48):
Two over the said I don't want Trey Hill can long snap real
well, maybe a little too long. Hey, move Trey Hill long
snapper. It can't be worse.
It can't. I we've talked about Musgrave
doing it like, I mean, you know,he'll get down the field in a
hurry after he snaps. There's no question about that.
You just got, you just got to gostraight.
Like that way like some somebodygot into argument with me on X

(01:22:14):
talking about Matt Orszek and they were like, well, you know,
his ceiling isn't really high, but he's reliable.
His ceiling is the root. Do you understand, like what
long snapper is? I don't care about sealing.
The only thing I want is reliable and that's what he
can't do. He's not reliable.
What? What are you talking about
sealing with a long snapper? How much of A ceiling is there

(01:22:37):
for a long snapper? The perfect long snapper is one
who you have never heard his name in your entire life.
That follows the Bill Belichick school of Do your job but right
if you don't know a long snapperon your team.
He's been there for 14 years. Yeah, he's got some crazy name.
Yeah, we're, we're moving. He's got some crazy name.

(01:22:59):
But you don't even know that youwould have, if you had ever
heard it in your entire life, you would have remembered it
because it's crazy. You know, it's like some long
Russian name with a, with way more consonance than vowels.
And you're like, wow, we have a guy on our on our team with that
name, and you check him out and you're like, yeah, he's been

(01:23:20):
here since 2014. And the reason he never
remembered him is because nobody's ever said his name.
Yeah. It's all I want in a long
snapper. But no, we have to sit here and
we'll see the Packer social media account posting about how

(01:23:41):
good Matt Orszack is. And then here Matt Lafleur and
Richard Basaccia and Brian Goudikins all take time this
offseason to praise. Like, what?
A lunch? Pale, reliable, consistent,
steady. Eddy gonna be an all prolong
snapper, you know. And did did we mention that he

(01:24:01):
has a Super Bowl ring? Like, yo, they trying to get
they trying to get someone to come get him.
Like this guy's really good. You should like.
You know you can just cut him. You don't need somebody to trade
for him. You can just cut him out, right?
You know that, right? Our prices have never been
lower. Let's go.
Can we Can we just rename or isec to butlicker?

(01:24:23):
Can that be? His derailed name is Butlicker.
I'm not sure if we can do that, but.
It's not gross, it's just an office reference.
Just say. No, I would just call him.
The prices have never been lower.
Somebody in our chat calls him Matt Ozempic every week, and I
like that one. I do.
See that? Yes, Wolf, this says the bet.

(01:24:45):
On Jordan Morgan, to have the upside of 69, Rashid is just a
roadblock to him seeing the field in my opinion.
If Morgan is the left tackle going forward, play Morgan.
Yeah, again, you're betting. On I Did Brian Goudekunst write
this? That's what I want to know.

(01:25:05):
No, no, no. It's too old for this.
Paid by Brian Goudekunst. How do we do that?
Of course we have the godfather of the office himself of office
memes. Too old for this.
Saying it can't be butt licker. The butt lickers build this
country. I appreciate you so much.

(01:25:31):
Is there room for both Stackhouse and Brinson on the
roster? So this leads to a question I
wanted to ask you, Jake. Actually, the question is not
only to Jake. The question is to Jake and the
chat. Do we want to do a 53 or do we
want to do a mock draft? I want to do a 53 but if you

(01:25:53):
guys. You pay for whatever you want.
If you guys send some Donuts, I am willing to do a mock draft
instead. All right, the Venmo is up in
the corner or it's down below orthere's a cash app down below.
If you want a mock draft, you have to bribe me to not do 53.
I would say I don't. We definitely don't have time to

(01:26:14):
do both. We can do one or the other.
So is there room for both Stackhouse and Brinson on the
roster? I think we would need to do our
53 to answer. That I'd do it.
Ron and two opus both say 53 andAyers says mock.
So I will say you can. You can lock in which one we're

(01:26:36):
gonna do by sending in a dono and saying which one you want
and then hope that nobody else outbids you.
Bruce says time to derail. Give me your case.
This will give people a a chanceto answer our question about
what we're doing with 53 and more.
Give me your case for why the Packers defense will be a top
three defense in the league. Offense still needs time to
develop, but I think this defense is game changing.

(01:26:57):
Ready. 12 and 5. Something carried by the
defense. Am I wrong and why?
Bruce, I hope you're still. I still hope you're still here
listening. I hope so.
This is a little bit ago, yes. So I think it's OK give the case
for how they can be a top three defense, Jeff Affleck and then

(01:27:21):
can they be 12 and five carried by the defense?
I think it's kind of AI think this is probably what he what
Bruce. I would say they were right.
They were essentially like approximately 11 of or 12:00 and
5:00 last year, carried by the defense.
Like the offense was bad last year.
Yeah, the reason the offense wasbad was because they were they

(01:27:45):
and like I'm going to lay the blame mostly on the wide
receivers and they're freaking stupid drops.
Like we're leading the league in3rd and 4th down drops and this
is the the biggest reason why our offense just could not
sustain drives. The run game was was pretty darn

(01:28:09):
good. I still really did not like our
interior offensive line. I really kind of hated the job
that we got out of our two guards in center last year.
Like just just that combination of of three players.
Wait a minute, people are sayingcheck the Venmo.
Let's see here. All right, we have one or two,

(01:28:32):
we have two. All right, too old for this.
They cannot. Be for both things.
He sent $5.30 for a 53. So that's, that's, that's
interesting. Appreciate that.
Also, I love that his his profile picture on Venmo is Ed
Sheeran because he does look a lot like Ed Sheeran, although

(01:28:55):
much more handsome. And then Chris, who does not
have a profile picture, sent $10and he said 53.
So we have a controversy free night.
We can do our 53. Wow all.
Is right in the world. That's a lot.
We'll do a mock. Well, for this said, I'm just
bald now. We'll do a mock draft as well.

(01:29:17):
That's a lot. We'll do both.
For his his profile picture willgo.
They both sent money and asked for a 53.
I know, but that's you just wantto do a mock draft.
That's a lot severages 53, I think you know, I don't know.
I'm trying to give the people what they want.
They said they want a 53. OK, so we'll get to that.
I'm going to go here. I think there's a few things

(01:29:40):
with how they can be a top threedefense, right?
Obviously halfly continues to dohalfly stuff.
I think that's a given, right? I think if they have to take the
the the next step, right, like Ithink certain things have to
happen other than halfly. I think halfly will give them
the floor of of being a good defense, right?
It I think above average defense.

(01:30:01):
I think there are a couple things. 1 Nate Hobbs needs to
live up to the contract. And stay healthy.
And stay healthy, right? I think that I think that that
probably comes with living up tothe contract, right?
Well, you probably falls under that umbrella, sure.
So that's one. Two, I think you get a leap from
LVN in year 3, right? Yeah, that's that's going to

(01:30:25):
have to be a part of it. Yeah, then I think you get I, I
think Brinson and Stackhouse have to bring something to the
defensive line. At least one of them for sure.
Doesn't have to be I. Actually.
Think massive contribution. It has to be like we are.

(01:30:46):
We are giving something to this collective in this group where
it's not all falling on Kenny, it's not all falling on Devante
Wyatt, right? It's not all falling on, you
know, even Carl Brooks to mix inlike, no, this is a group.
This is a a good group that we can put in the rotation that
that people can be productive. And then I think 4 is Adrian

(01:31:10):
Cooper keep going, right? I think, I think those are the
main things. I think the safety rooms going
to be just fine. Whether or not Bullard is is
necessarily part of that leap. You know, I, I don't, I don't
think it necessarily. We have, we have three cities
that we believe in. Yeah, I, I Evan Williams,

(01:31:34):
Oladapo, right. And obviously McKinney doing his
thing. I I think is.
Yeah. Plenty enough health willing, of
course. Obviously health is, you know,
pretty much a given for things like being a top three defense
over the course of the season. So yeah, I I think it's
obviously halfway doing his thing, but that's a given.
I would say, yeah, D line gets gets a boost from the new guys.

(01:31:58):
LVN takes a step, Hobbs is up tocontract.
I think of the three biggest things, can they be 12 and five
carried by the defense? Again, they kind of were.
Last year they were, and yeah. I don't know if they can do it.
Carried by the defense. I think.

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I think. There has to be more right,
'cause I think 12:00 and 5:00 tome, if the offense doesn't take
a step forward at all, but also doesn't regress, if it's just
exactly as good as it was last year, can they go 12 and five?
Like, like basically we're saying, can the defense be a
little bit better than it was last year and you don't run

(01:32:44):
into, you know, worse luck than you had last year?
I don't know 12:00 and 5:00. Because we were an 11 and six
team last year and I will say that was like the worst eleven

(01:33:05):
and six that I've ever seen. Other than that, wow.
Was it 12 and 5 or 13 and three or whatever was the important
from the Vikings that we saw a couple years ago. 13 and four,
Yeah. So that eleven and six team that
we saw, not that they were like fraudulent on paper and you
looked or anything like the way the Vikings were like they were

(01:33:28):
truly fraudulent on paper. Like they they had a like a
upside down, massively upside down point differential, like
stupid stuff like that. But like the the Packers last
year, you know, for all there, there are, you know, DVOA and
ELO and that kind of stuff you can look at that says like, you

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know, the Packers were were kindof decent last year.
It was just like the way that they would lose when they did
lose, they would just get their doors blown off for 2 1/2 or 3/4
and then make the score look respectable in garbage time.
I think so and and and come up short like that, like that, that

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it was just crushing to watch like you other than.
The. So many times we go up against a
top NFC opponent and you get to a point where all of a sudden
it's like, oh, look, we're down 3 to 27, you know?
And then we we end the game like27 to three or something.
It's like, OK, yeah, it was a nice valiant comeback at the
end, but it would have been niceif you would have just played

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some sound football fundamentalsprior to that point.
That was certainly a thing with the first Vikings game, right?
It was never a 3129 game for sure.
And the and the first Lions game.
The first Detroit game, the second Detroit game they were
and it that was a little different blow for blow type of
thing going on. I feel like the Minnesota second

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Minnesota game was also also. Both Eagles games were
competitive. Both Eagles games were
competitive. They certainly, yeah, they
certainly were playing well to start that, that Philly game in
the opener, for sure. But yeah, the Chicago ones were
weird because it felt like both Chicago games were like kind of
like, why aren't you putting thefoot down type of thing where

(01:35:24):
it's like the the against some of the bigger contenders when
they lose, it was like, yeah, you're kind of out of it and
you're coming back. Other than that Detroit game,
the Chicago games, like, why arewhy are they still here?
Like why? Why are they still in this game
type? Both Chicago games.
Yes, both Chicago games. Yeah, not even.
Both Chicago games you're watching and you're like, it's
why are we hackers just don't want to win this game.

(01:35:46):
They're why are we it was all self-inflicted both of those
games. I looked at and I said, like,
give the Bears the win because they're actually trying.
They're actually trying to win this.
They're they, they stink, but they're playing sound football,
you know, to the best of their meager abilities.
Yeah, yeah. So.
Ayers says I see a 13 and four season.

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Myers is gone. That is addition by subtraction.
We have Golden that is addition by addition.
Morgan could be good and hopefully Ryan too.
Again, you know, I just. Hope for one of those.
Like, do we know that Ryan is the starting right guard?
I don't think we know that. I think it's still a three man

(01:36:31):
race between Ryan Morgan and Belton for right guard.
Like even though Belton and Morgan are both getting reps at
the tackles, like I don't think that's a good sign for Ryan.
I think like they want those guys out there.
So that to me says like they would still be heavily in the

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mix for right guard once we knowthat they are not going to be
allowed to play either tackle job.
Chris says this offense has so many weapons.
My problem is, is like how many of these weapons are you, you
think about like third and eight, you think about, you

(01:37:15):
know, money downs and go, yeah, I, I trust them all in the
roster. I mean, you can, you can put
Jacobs in there, right? Like I, you know, if it's a
third and eight, they're runningit.
I'm like, yeah, Jacobs, yeah. He got this type of thing right.
Like I, I'm comfortable with Jacobs, comfortable with Kraft,
but I think I'm comfortable with, with Golden after that.

(01:37:37):
The receiver that I'd be most comfortable with is coming off
of a torn ACL. Who knows what we're going to
see him. So I don't know.
I yeah, I don't know, we kind oftalked about this right even

(01:38:00):
before they drafted Golden of like Kraft is probably I would
probably follow my pass and gaveit to Tucker Kraft even though
we need him though as the inlineplayer, so.
Which which again, like we've talked about this a few Times
Now, it it makes that tight end conversation interesting 'cause

(01:38:21):
I'm I'm still on team, I think we keep 4 tight ends.
Yeah. So we, yeah, we can do that.
I, I can, I can share this. Actually, let me, let me switch
this. I'm going to put this over here.
While you're doing that, here iswe you, you mentioned it, JJ

(01:38:42):
sees 13 and 4. Chris says don't stole me to
death. I think 9:00 and 8:00.
Well, I thought we were going to.
I thought we were at 13 and fourteam a year ago.
I thought we were 13 and 14 a year ago.
And then the the interior offensive line couldn't do
anything and the receivers couldn't catch balls that were

(01:39:03):
hitting them in the hands. So I'm hesitant to say that
we're better than a than we werelast year until I know that that
those simple problems that should not have been problems
last year, but inexplicably were.
I need to know that those are not gonna be problems again this
year, too. Yeah.
And like so far, based on just the little bit we saw in the

(01:39:25):
preseason, which is, you know, as we talked about, it's not
predictive, but like the answershave not been.
Positive for us, so I have. Oh, did you want to read another
one? Who the heck are Steve and Sam?
I don't. That's last name, Mike.
That's Steve Palazzolo. Sam Monson.

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Formerly. Yeah, I know those names.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't.
Formerly or currently with 33rd?Maybe formerly, I don't know.
I don't think I've ever heard any of them talk.
I didn't know they had a podcast.
So I guess I don't really care about their opinion.
I I know I've seen tweets from Sam and I've never thought just

(01:40:09):
by reading his tweets that he seemed like a guy who had any
kind of familiarity with the Packers roster.
He's always seemed, you know, not.
Not very much like you had a finger on the pulse of what's
going on in Green Bay, but you know, whatever.
But not saying he's a bad dude. OK, they are currently 33rd.

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OK, I thought so. I don't know if they took it to
the Eagles more than anyone else.
Rams had them on the ropes. I've I've heard people, I've
heard people say that like down the stretch that they thought
the Packers put up the best fight, like in the playoffs of
anybody who who went up against the Eagles because the Eagles

(01:40:57):
did kind of steamroll everybody else that they faced in the
playoffs. I thought, yeah, I mean, yeah, I
guess playoff wise maybe Rams kind of backdoored a little bit.
I think down the stretch, not including playoffs, it's easily
Carolina who put up the best fight of anybody against them.

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And whereas Xavier like a drop from beating them at the end of
the game playoffs, maybe you canmake that argument, but not but
regular season plus playoffs would be would be the Panthers.
But defensively certainly right.Like they the defense did

(01:41:40):
everything they possibly could to hold the Eagles, as you know,
to 22. So.
All right. We ready to roll, Ryan says.
Steve and Sam are big PFF guys. I just want to address one thing
real quick because I know I've said 100 times, but it's worth

(01:42:00):
saying again. I really like PFF stats and I
actually think that their grading process is pretty
decent. I think that I think you can get
a lot of value out of their grades.
Their entire media crew I can dowithout.
Sure, whoever is posting on social media or doing podcasts
for them or whatever, I'm just gonna say those people do not

(01:42:23):
look at PFFS own grades or stats.
They have no clue what PFFS own grades say about these players.
You know, you see these guys whoare like, oh man, you know,
like, you know, on the PFF social media or on a podcast or
whatever and they're like, well,here's you know, is the, you
know, so and so is a a wide receiver one.

(01:42:44):
And then you go look and like they have the 65th best grade
among wide receivers from PFF. So I'm of 0 interest in what?
And then PFF media says, as far as I can tell, it's a completely
different department than the people who do any of their
grading. It's just like, hey, we need a
social media presence to help market our grades and stuff.

(01:43:05):
But. No, all right.
They probably got cocky against the Panthers.
Listen, that's an Eagles problem.
Then don't. Don't do it.
Trap game can only look at what we're looking at.
Like, I don't know. Let's.

(01:43:29):
All right. Since we had the DT question,
why don't we start with defense?Sure.
And and, and so we'll fill out our our defensive tackle and,
and nose tackle first. I'm going to go ahead.
And I feel like we should do theother ones on defense 1st to get
a good idea of the number. So then it starts going up and
you go, OK, this is where. Well, I I think what we do is we

(01:43:52):
like we put the roster locks on 1st and then we come through and
and backfill where we can backfill because it's like
that's going to be a thing everywhere we go.
But like Stackhouse is on the roster fight.
You can't tell me I think not make.
No, I think, yeah, I think that makes sense.
Kenny is on the roster. Wyatt's on the roster.

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Yeah. Hopefully in Week 7, he will
have started more games for us than he has at any point in his
career in a row. That'd be.
That'd be nice. Or just period.
Yeah. So Warren Brinson, in or in or
out right now here. I mean, are we putting Brooks in

(01:44:40):
there first? Are we?
Not well, I'm putting Brooks in here.
Yeah, again, I I want Brooks at defensive end, but yeah, he's
he's playing defensive deck for us.
So this leaves us with with three guys here, Wooden Brinson
and a guy named Devante O'Malley, who I believe played
at Toledo. I think so.

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So I feel like of those three, Brinson's job is relatively safe
since he's a draft pick this year.
Draft. Pick certainly helps him.
So just as a reminder, historically we keep 5.7
defensive tackles. So we're currently at 4:00.
So I feel like adding one more, it feels pretty safe.

(01:45:25):
We're going to keep. Let's do it, Georgia boys.
You want we're going Brinson then.
Yeah, I, I think. Georgia over Auburn, OH, you
see, Auburn announced today thatthey are claiming four more
national titles. Listen, I thought the SEC was,
you know, against that saying why is UCF claiming a national

(01:45:46):
championship, you know, type of thing.
You know, they weren't in the championship game.
Saw a lot of that. And now we're doing our they're
doing it too again. I'm not ever going to be I'm not
ever going to be on team UCF forclaiming nonsense like that.
Like, I don't the claiming stuffis boring.
Go in. As far as I'm concerned, like
the president has been set here.Michigan claims like 8.

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Well, that's, that's very disputed titles.
Well, there's why not just claimwhatever you want to?
Who cares, since we're not goingto keep any?
Officials Bret Bielema Bret Bielema go start, start claiming
last year, start claiming it, claim it, claim it, claim it for
fun since the SEC wants to, you know.
Let Oregon claim some some pollster of somebody named
Oregon the national champions before the playoffs started.

(01:46:32):
So yeah, but Oregon claim one they.
Have a better Yeah, they I mean.They have AI think Ohio State
should claim one for 2012 since we're just claiming whatever we
want to claim like sure, you know, we didn't we didn't go to
the bulls, but you know what 12 and oh, I mean that's.
Claim it. What's you know there were
there. Were bulls who?
Who? You know, stick your neck out.

(01:46:52):
Ohio State list is is number onein the country despite not going
to the Bulls. Yeah, stick your neck out, you
know, I guess. OK.
Defense so we can we can circle back on these last two defensive
tackles defensive end obviously we got we got we got a few locks
here so Rashawn has a lock where's LVNLVN he's a lock then

(01:47:15):
we got Baron Baron Sorrell has alock I well is is he hurt right
now he. Is.
Maybe we circle back. Well, let's, let's put him on
here. He's a freaking fourth round
pick. They're not.
Yeah. If we need to put him on on pop

(01:47:36):
or something not we can't put him on pop.
We we got designation. It's like a knee sprain or
something. It's not the serious one, but
it's like a Kingsley. I I think Kingsley is a lock.
Yeah, there's people who don't, I would think so.
Do you think he's a lock? Yeah.
OK, I sent you a link the other day.

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It was. Been enough.
I mean, Sorrell injury Oliver hasn't like done anything.
I I don't know how you're not keeping him.
No shame. Since I'm driving on a
spreadsheet, you know I need youto handle any comments that need
to be pinned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, United Bates,
what's going on? Said Sorrell.
Should be back in a few weeks. That's good news.

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So then, yeah. So then probably not, not on
there, even though Chris said Puppy could do it.
We'll see where we're at. I, I, we'll see where we're at.
So historically like 4.9 for defensive, well, you know,
again, it's it's muddy with all the defensive front here because

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it's also because of the the scheme switch.
Yeah. Also, what's Colin Oliver
actually right? Don't know.
Well, Colin Oliver might be injury, you know, like it.
We really. That's that's also true, yeah.
This is. This is where it gets tricky for
sure. Tool for this I appreciate

(01:49:02):
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part yeah love you, buddy all right I, I, I kind of do you
think there's anybody else who we can safely lock in here right
now at defensive end 'cause I I'm I'm not feeling comfortable
right now of injury situation like I think that these two guys
would be, you know, the next Next up to go on but we don't

(01:49:45):
know the injury situation for. Kyle, we can always, we can
always circle back. All right, let's do linebacker
so way all. Four of those guys are in the
same little line together. Just grab them.
Perfect love that. And they're honestly, they're in
like the red order too. It's.
Pretty good. We'll take that.

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So we're at we're at our historical threshold right here
4.3 and I feel like these are kind of the only safe locks.
Yeah, I I would probably, oh, there's my extra guy.
I knew I had an extra guy on here that was making my numbers
not add up. I had Jamon Johnson and Jamon

(01:50:26):
Dumas Johnson. So I would, I would say like so
Jared Bartlett to me is out, butthe other three guys are kind of
on even footing for our next line.
Back No, I Yeah, it's true. Well, we can get the spawner can

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do that. So I will say when we did this
earlier this year, I put long snapper TBD that he just wasn't
even on the roster. But unfortunately, I just got to
do this. You have to do it.
They're not even gonna work anybody out.
Listen, the Packers are. Paying us to do that.
Look, the Packers don't care. Why should I care?

(01:51:10):
Actors don't care about long snapper.
Why should I care? Well, that's probably all that's
true. We got 2 old on X chat.
That's hilarious. Yeah, it's coming in and doing
both. Love that.
All right, for corner, I mean, we're obviously we're hoping
that Nate Hobbs gets fully healthy, but you I mean he's the
money guy right there and then Carrington CB2 and then at that

(01:51:35):
point like Bo Melton roster. Lock.
Yeah, he's on Z. Bo's roster lock.
Are we putting keyshot at nickelI guess?
No. Well, I wasn't going to because
they keep trying to play in thatfreaking boundary.
OK, well, he's got to go on their boundary.
I would like him. I'd like him as the slot corner.

(01:51:57):
It kind of looks like I like seeing him play.
Yeah, he's got to go out in there.
OK, by the way, stuck down on Kamal Haddon.
Oh, that's a good one. I have seen enough from Kamal
Haddon. Appreciate the effort.
My dude does not have it. Here's a problem though.
So we're at 3 out of 6. Micah Robinson, who has not

(01:52:21):
shown us anything, is a draft pick and so he's probably going
to stay well. Keyshawn's on there, so 3 of 6
so we can do a four. Don't really want keyshawn on
there but OK. Oh, you gotta keep him there.
Gotta do it to him. I'm I'm going to say my next guy
is Valentine. OK, I I say we're keeping
Valentine. Where?
Where are you on Valentine? On or off or on?

(01:52:45):
Off or just not ready yet? Do you want to circle back?
I'm unsure on Valentine, but if you want to put them on there,
that's totally fine. I don't know where we're landing
on Kaylin King, honestly, as somebody who has to be, to be
very clear, keeping track, keeping track of the preseason
games Green Bay making, going back through them, definitely

(01:53:09):
still doing a lot of rookie stuff and last year's rookie
stuff. So I this one, I don't have a
good feel for Valentine versus King.
I do not have a good feel for this one.
I don't know if the chat has anyany.
Feel. What do we think about Mike?

(01:53:30):
Has Micah Robinson done anythingto keep himself off of the
roster? So we know how much Goody likes
to keep in his rookies, yeah. That's the one thing that,
excuse me, could sway it. I don't know.

(01:53:53):
There, there. I have seen some say Valentine's
out in Kings in, but I I just don't have any finger on the
pulse at all. I feel like they're going to
keep at least. One of them.
One of these three guys right here.
Yeah. At least one I'm entirely out on

(01:54:14):
Kamal had and if they want to stash him in the practice squad,
you know, whatever. I think he looks completely lost
out there. I'd rather just.
Make sure Baldwin's on the practice squad.
Yeah, you like him? Yeah, I I would like him on the
practice squad for sure, hopefully.
I thought he played a really nice game against the Colts.

(01:54:35):
Yes, yes, let's, let's circle back our corner.
We know we have to put probably two more guys on here at least.
Most likely, yeah. But well, but also nickel, so
Nick Nicholas is included in here.
So there might be some. Yeah, Interchange.

(01:54:55):
Stuff in safety too. So.
Where, you know, here's the other thing.
We can't put Javon Buller to nickel because that's not what
the Packers are doing. The Packers keep telling us he's
a safety. So like we have to, but that
doesn't mean I'm going to put him ahead of Oladapo on my depth
chart. I think like safety is like.

(01:55:17):
This is fine. We'll let the Packers decide who
the nickel is. We're just going to fill quarter
in safety. So that's that's that, that's
that deal. What do we do here about Zane?
Anderson injury Supercilious. Zane I don't know anything about
Zane Anderson's injury. I know Omar Brown is in the

(01:55:38):
hospital right now. Zane Hurt.
I thought he was, Maybe he was. Maybe it wasn't a big, maybe it
wasn't a big thing. Maybe that was was that.
The Zane Anderson is. That the first pre might have
been the first one. Anderson is as of one week ago.

(01:56:01):
So he got hurt in the in The Jets preseason game.
And all right, let's see here. This article is going to tell me
what's up with him. Zayn Anderson has a knee injury.

(01:56:25):
He's still out. So Xavier McKinney, Zayn
Anderson and Omar Brown are all missing practice right now.
OK, Chris says. Does Kaylyn King play much
special teams? Jake, do you have any special
team stats in front of you you can take a look at?
Yeah, I can look at them real quick.

(01:56:49):
Kaylin King played 16 special team snaps throughout
preseasons, at least so far. 62.5 is our grade that I see
here. What did he do last year as far
as snap count and special? Teams good for 8th last year
here. Excuse me 24, 26 total in

(01:57:14):
preseason, 65 grade in regular season.
Nothing because he was on to practice squad.
Chris says Bullard should stick in slot, correct?
We're just saying that's what wewould do.
That is not what the Packers aresaying they're going to do.

(01:57:35):
They view him as a safety. So when in doubt, we.
Have to. They don't want in.
Something like this? We have to defer to backers.
They're not playing a nickel. They don't.
They're like Brett Favre. They're like, I don't know what
that is. They're keeping I've.
Heard of it? What's that?
Dude, they're going to roll intothis year with eight DBS total

(01:57:57):
and then just never play any nickel defense.
My God. And they're going to stash like
4 guys on the practice squad at DB and and be it.
There's going to be some like incredible intro Music Week 1.
It's Beau Melton walking out to Nickel I.
Know that's. A weird fit.
We need it at least three more. Oh.
That's Bo Melton's music. Oh man.

(01:58:24):
Like I. Don't see these three more
defenders and they're calling. The defensive starters and, you
know, you got the binoculars. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
Bo Melton's not, he's not on thefield yet.
He's not on the field yet. They're going to call his name.
He's starting nickel. What would be his theme song
though? Like if they are going to
actually literally play his music?
What's his theme song? Man, are these songs about going

(01:58:46):
both ways or? Can go your own way another day.
That would be interesting. OK, how many?

(01:59:06):
I asked Chachi BT what's the song about going both ways and I
should have. I was going to say that might
that that might not be. What you're I shouldn't have
phrased it that way. No, that, no, I I can think of a
song that might fit that one. Yeah, yeah.

(01:59:28):
All right, what about? That go your own way.
That's this is the way I think. What about Two Way Street by
Kimbra I? Don't know that one.
I don't know who Kimbra is, but that's what Chetchi PD says.
I don't know that one, but yeah,definitely do Chatterbug

(01:59:49):
welcome, says four choice of. Words indeed.
Indeed. We we need to put another
cornerback on here. We we really need two more
cornerbacks and honestly, we need a defensive end.
So that would kind of. Two DBS and a defensive lineman
is what we need to add minimum. I I think like gun to my head I

(02:00:17):
would say today like Zane Anderson probably makes the
roster over Omar Brown. The fact they're both injured
makes this hard. But I do you disagree with Zane
making the roster over Omar? No.
But we like Omar. They're going.

(02:00:39):
To go 5 safeties I think so yeahthey yeah OK.
Especially since Bullard is so unproven and.
They're going to go five corners, Yeah.
So 10 DBS, it's are we going to stay with four backers?

(02:01:02):
That might happen. If it's ten DBS, it might be 4
backers then. It might have to be.
Because what are we at? We're 20.
I mean, my gut says that Simmonsdoes make the roster.
My my gut says. That I don't think so.
I think they're cutting him. We need another defensive
lineman though. We only have 9 and this is

(02:01:24):
usually Brenton Cox. Right.
Those guys are on there still. Well, it's it's those two guys
like nobody else is really. Are you?
Picking one or are you saying take both?
Maybe we just put both on here for right now.
So no, Caitlin, no, unless it's 2624, but.

(02:01:47):
Colin Oliver is just tough because of the injury.
Like I, I think Colin Oliver's probably he's.
Probably going to go to. Injured designated return.
Yeah. I don't know.
Maybe we'll just stick him over here.
I think so. I I think that happens.
So it's. Britain.
Cox and then 24. So then you have a if if you're
taking another king. Or Valentine chat.

(02:02:08):
What do you think? King versus Valentine?
Drew says. Oliver in the IR spot, which
yeah, I I think that makes sense.
That's probably it. Drew says King would make the
team over Robinson. No problem.
Cutting a seventh. Well, I'm not asking if you
would cut a 7th rounder. I'm saying would Goudy and Goudy
doesn't like cutting 7th. Rounders I.
Mean there's a chance it's six corners and then Micah goes down

(02:02:31):
to practice squad potentially orking.
Will that be 55? I mean, so like if you take it's
these three guys, it's these three guys, it's it's none
either. I don't know what to I, I
genuinely don't know what to think like other than other than

(02:02:51):
the point of like draft picks. Draft and Valp, right?
Yeah, I I kind of think we've seen enough from King, and I
think that Packers might think we've seen enough from King.
Possibly. I know that big play that
Richardson had where unfortunately my guy and I

(02:03:14):
Mitchell was offsides. I mean King played it perfectly.
Just throw was perfect. So I you know, that's one of
those things that stood out. Do they think is the nickel?
That's really interesting. I have no idea.
Maybe. I don't think so.

(02:03:35):
It's it's hard. It's hard because King has the
build when you're asking a nickel to fill, but I don't
think he's quick enough to handle the other part of like
nickel, right? And that's what makes it
extremely tricky. I kind of just feel like

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stalling and just doing some offense.
Stolen. I'm good with that.
So Josh Jacobs, Emmanuel Wilson,I mean, is there any thought
that Emmanuel Wilson is not making?
No. 53. No, he'd make that.
I've seen people leave him off of their 50I.

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Don't mind that's possible. How?
And I'm putting Chris Brooks on here as RB3.
How I think they're hoping that Johnson and Ivanka Conda can
just stick on the practice squad.
I think so too. So Marshawn Lloyd making the
roster? If if either of those guys were
threatening heavily like becausethey were really good and can

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pass block, then maybe you take Chris Brooks off, but they like
Chris Brooks and and Lloyd's a draft pick that I mean yeah, it
it the four makes perfect sense and yeah, I don't know about you
be going third algorithm. Very cool, you know.
They're not keeping 3 quarterbacks still putting the.
Tariff, but like you know. I'll say I think that algorithm

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makes the practice squad and Clifford doesn't.
That's that would be my guess asto right now, yeah, you can put
wide receiver 1 Matthew Golden on the board.
Absolutely, I'm happy to do that.
Awesome. Nothing would make me happier.
Love that, love that. Matthew Golden and then I'm I'm
going to say say Reed's roster spot as.

(02:05:27):
Well, I I don't. Know I I Watson might make the.
Maybe. Dobbs is going on there is
locked. Oh, Wix is still a lock.
For now, yeah. I I don't know how far along

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they think this is going and whatnot, but.
For Watson. Yeah, 'cause their timetable.
I mean, Savion's he's third round pick so.
I think these two dudes are bothgoing on here.
OK, so then Watson, I mean Watson's got.
A for now, I'm gonna put him right here, but like I probably

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would reserve injured him. There's nine spots.
There's nine spots left or I guess, well, depends.
I guess defense you haven't put,you've only got 23, but there's
sixteen offense and we haven't put the tight ends on there.
We could, we could not keep LukeMusgrave.
That would solve some stuff. Well, we.
Could. Yeah, we could certainly not do

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it. I'm saying these are the four
tight ends. Do you disagree with me?
No, not at all. Let.
Me make an adjustment. There we go.
There we go. I like it.
All right, so we have five more spots to fill for.
See this is the problem. We have 4 running backs.

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That's what I mean. I I. 4 running backs and seven
receivers. Watson has to be reserved, and I
and Hardman might not even be. I think Hardman's making it,
man. I really do.
He's going to be our punt returner, but they're not
putting anybody else out there. Punt return.
Yeah. He's just kind of got that

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locked up, I think. But you know, then this leaves
Malik Heath on the outside looking at him, which is harsh.
I would say Malik would be the first guy back on the board if
you didn't keep Nicole. Yeah, United, Bates said.

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I think Watson returns Week 6 after our super early buy.
Just my gut feeling, nothing credible.
That makes sense. Makes sense for Green Bay.
Allow me to say for the millionth, the billionth time,
you shouldn't have expectations of Watson.
And we like when he when they rush him back way too soon and
he looks like crap. Please don't go.

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Whoa, Christian Watson. We can't believe he's out on the
field. Yay.
It's a miracle. Oh, man, he sucks.
He shouldn't. Have what?
Sorry. What's?
What'd you just say before that?I'm sorry.
Miracle. I hear that.
Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, That deal. That deal, Malik Keith, so sorry
it was over after you dropped that pass against.

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I think it's the numbers thing for Malik, like I would, I would
still keep him, but it's a numbers thing.
Yeah, that's part of it. But man.
They're they're keeping Anthony Belton.
Wow, bold. And I would, I would say.
Would you say Morgan is making it?
I think Belton is probably goingto be the starting right card.

(02:08:44):
Potentially. Or Orion just takes it sheed
Morgan. Ryan's going to make it,
obviously. We need two more.
Let me condense this a little bit.

(02:09:05):
So here's here's some problems. John Williams going here.
How many are we can only designate 3 guys for return,
right? Isn't that true?
It's. Three or four, yeah.
So these three guys right here are not designated for return
their their seasons are are over.

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Oh, OK. Where's the thing strikethrough?
Right. These three guys are not
designated for return. So right now, like you kind of
expect these to be the three whoare designated for return.
Yeah, Drew says so. Looking at the rest of our drew.

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Says. O line group.
I thought. 8 is. Just the a number of guys that
over the full season can be labeled for return no.
Oh, I thought he was saying we're going to keep 8 offensive
lineman. Oh, maybe that's possible.
Let's ask Trachy PT. It can go Google this for us.
How many players can? It's a current number.

(02:10:13):
I. Thought designate for return
when they do their And ChatGPT says 22 teams are

(02:10:39):
allowed to designate up to two players placed on an applicable
reserve list at the business dayof the final roster reduction.
These designations count toward the team's regular season limit
of eight total return designations.
So that means. OK.
Drew was saying 8 total for the.Yeah, OK.

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So that means if we have 3 then we would have to keep one of
these guys on the roster and then place them on IR after
unless John was on the season. Is over.
And that might be and that mightbe for Colin Oliver.
Well, that I would say. John Williams injury and more
serious than Colin Oliver as faras we can tell.

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It it seems that way, that wouldprobably make more sense.
But they haven't done that with him yet, No.
So they're still are holding outhope for him.
Well, we can, but we only have 7offensive lineman right now and
we need to find at least two more.
Yeah, of this pile of slop, likeI would say they probably like

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Talpert. They probably like Monk.
Dude, I don't like Monk. I don't.
Player that guy. I know you don't, but I think
they're keeping them, boy. I know what I've been seeing.
Oh yeah. There we go.
That's. Just note where it says center
slash guard. I didn't write that.
Yeah, Monk has a hamster. Trey Hill is out of here.

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Lacita Smith I don't think is good.
Donovan Jennings has been bad. Donovan Jennings has looked.
Bad. In the preseason games, which it
hurts for me to say, 'cause I'vebeen high on him as a prospect.
Drew says Monk has a hamstring injury.
I mean, I don't want to celebrate a an injury, but like
if we if we didn't have to wastea roster spot on him.

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Yeah, I mean lucidus. I mean, if we could.
Give Goody a reason to say like,well, we'll look at him again.
Next summer, Yeah. Based on PFF.
Yeah. Donovan Jennings know Lucidus
Smith from PFF. Is I thought Donovan Jennings
just got his butt whipped. All game against PFFPFF would
agree among the lowest blocking grades now it's not as low as

(02:12:58):
some. Oh, Isaiah Simmons.
The pass blocking the pass blocking grades.
Jennings is the sixth lowest. Was he higher than monk?
I mean, he's higher than Monk. He is.
He is higher than Monk. Yes.
Monks is a 21 through 67 snaps. Tyler Cooper's is a Tyler
Cooper's is a 24. The bad one is Aaron Banks is a

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6.5. Boy that needs to get better
folks. Maybe.
Hey, well, maybe Belton startingleft guard, I don't know.
Anyway, not ideal, but again, togo back up Lucida Smith pretty
good across the board actually in both phases according to PFF.
21 snaps, Telford's been good. 64 snaps, he's probably making

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the team. I agree.
I think that. I would, I would keep, I would
keep Telford. And Telford kind of has some
trust with them, too. Yeah, you know, it's been a good
pass blocker this pre season according to PFF Trey Hill, you
know. Well, that that's not the
question we have about Trey Hill.
No, it's not a question we have.But you know, if, if we're

(02:14:07):
asking a question about Trey Hill, you know what you know,
you know where Green Bay likes to lean in terms of what are you
good at? It's pass bro.
The thing he's good at so far? This you know.
Can I off topic for a second, ifI turn on this air conditioner
right here, can you hear it? I heard the button but I didn't.

(02:14:31):
Do you hear the air conditioner at all?
No, it's like. 10,000° in this room so I kind of want to cool
off for a little bit. If you guys can hear it and it's
annoying, please say something in the chat because I'll shut it
off in a hurry. Seemed more comfortable
according to the PFF grades. More comfortable at the right
guard spot than the center spot.Even the pass blocking was

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pretty similar for both, so could be Trey Hill's.
According to PFF grades, what they they do?
What? What did you say?
I said for PFF, they liked his game at right guard against The
Jets better than he had 31 snapsat center against the Colts.
They thought that was was betteroverall.

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Pass blocking was similar, so. And is this monk or Hill?
This is Hill. Monk, Monk.
I think we know how it went. I mean, here, here's the thing.
Jacob Monk is not, and I can saythis emphatically, is not an NFL

(02:15:38):
guard. If he can play on the offensive
line in the NFL, it. Was we know where it.
Is center. Yeah, we know where it is.
Can I ask you about Travis Glover?
So Travis Glover's hurt, right? And I saw massive wringing of
the hands over him getting injured and some content

(02:16:02):
creators and beat people talkingabout like, oh man, this Travis
Glover injury really means that Anthony Belton and Jordan Morgan
are gonna have to step. Up blah blah blah.
Are you more on that side or areyou more on the side where I am
of like you guys are crazy and Travis Glover is like the the

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only reason he's here at all is because Goody spent a drafting
on. Him we're that's 100% we had to
there's no I don't know why elseit would be he they're doing the
they they they're doing the Caleb Jones Luke Tenuta thing,
but they drafted him instead this time.
I that's what this is to me because he watched Glover.

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He watched Glover play it left. No, like you watch my left
tackle in a couple games I had of him pre draft.
And it's like, boy, this is thisis years away from being a year
away type of stuff here and like.
Travis Glover had a 471 Ras. Doesn't surprise me his shuttle

(02:17:13):
was. 484 his three cone was 809.Thank you.
Oh wow, my beverage service justbrought ME3 to choose from
including here's a beverage thatdoes not need to sponsor the
show for me to give him a shout out.
Water, OH. Spotted cow there.

(02:17:34):
You go. I will.
I will name drop Spotted Cow. I don't need to.
I don't need to be bribed to do that.
May I say may. I say which one I.
Want not to get off topic a little bit, but Fitzpatrick in
the run game this preseason, yes, again, pass blocking I'm

(02:17:57):
not as concerned about cause again, I think I I think if your
pass blocking is a tight end one, they're keeping craft in
there to do it. So you know sure if their backs
protecting you know with six or more like crafts going to be.
In there, well, I guess I, I guess, but like if, if you want
to run a 12 personnel, certainlyyou're not.

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I mean we don't want Luke Musgrave out there.
So if we're going to do Kraft and Fitzpatrick, then we want
Kraft out there running the route.
Sure, sure. If we are running, if we're
doing 12 and throwing and and having a tight end run a route,
we want it to be Kraft who's running that route.

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So for that reason I would like OK here's.
There's one way. Ben Sims gets an injury.
If Ben Sims gets an injury then then it has to be Fitzpatrick
because otherwise we can't have Kraft running sets out of 12

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because we know for a fact that our big slow wide receiver Luke
Musgrave can't block. Correct.
And we don't really want him running routes.
We don't want to be having him catch the ball either.
OK so so he has had two pass blogging snaps.

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That is not a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions
from at all, whether he was goodor bad.
Well, it was, it was, it was bad, though.
The number was bad. So it's one good Rep, one bad
Rep. So I I don't know, Yeah.
You can't draw a conclusion. So we're not going to draw it
from that. That's.
Why I thought he did? AI thought he did a fine job

(02:19:45):
pass blocking at Georgia. I thought he was.
I thought he was a really solid.Blocker at Georgia.
Yeah. Chris says Ben Sims tight end
too. I, I, I cosign on that, I'm fine
with that. Absolutely.
Ben Sims is my tight end too. Look at that there cruise.

(02:20:07):
Can we trade for? So I I just had a thought here.
Yeah, no. The the blocking was fine in
Georgia. There's no like final two
seasons were good. I I.
I had a thought. OK.
So if we flip over here and lookat this.
Historical thing that. I've I've been keeping track of

(02:20:29):
this every year. OK, I was.
Wondering this is the initial 53and one thing you may notice is
that it is not usually 25 and 25.
It's usually like 24 and 26 all right.
Like it's, it's there. It's not always flat.
It it goes back and forth. So we right now we have 25 on

(02:20:52):
offense and we'd like to keep another one or two.
And then on defense, we're at 23and kind of struggling to figure
out where we're going to. Get our last guy.
So probably a corner would be the well it might be.
Corner, but it also might be linebacker.
We only have 4 linebackers. We also only have 5 defensive
tackles. It would be kind of nice to keep

(02:21:14):
6, especially since that's a position that we're kind of
scared about. So I thought maybe what we
should do is grab the remaining guys who we most would want on
the roster. Particularly kind of put our
thumb on the scale a little extra or a lot if we think that
they are big time special teams contributors because that is

(02:21:37):
definitely where those last couple guys are earning their
roster spots. So do you like that plan?
I do. I do indeed.
So I think like Colby Wooden is in the mix.
I would say Aaron Mosby is in the mix a little bit, these
three corners. And then I would say Isaiah

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Simmons is in the mix, maybe Christian Welch.
I think JDJ seems like practice squad to me as.
Much as I wanted him to do it this year, I it feels like
that's where we're headed. And I would say Omar.
Baldwin, yeah, him, Baldwin, Dumas Johnson.
Baldwin and like Amar Johnson are like, I'm like, please still

(02:22:24):
be on the practice squad. Honestly, Trey Hill a little bit
as well. Like please be on the practice
squad. I might bump Amara Johnson a
little higher than those other guys we just talked about, like
just 'cause he's been really lights out in the in the two
preseason games. I might put like both of these

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two wide receivers kind of in the mix a little bit.
Johnny Lumpkin, not somebody we ever talk about, but he played
really well in both preseason games.
I think he was the highest graded player via PFF in the
Colts pre season game I think. He's, I mean, he's, he's 6th

(02:23:06):
overall. In the NFL.
On off for a Packers offense forthe Packers 2 pre season games.
So yeah, it's top. I don't know that I want to
include him on here, but I do like.
I do like what I see at the top here.
Tom #1, Amar Johnson #2, Jordan Morgan #3 feels good that two of
the three are are, you know, twoguys who we assume to be in some

(02:23:29):
capacity starting offensive livein this year.
Lucita Smith, Will Shepard, Johnny Lumpkin close out your
top 6? Ryan being 9th is nice.
That's helpful. I think.
I think this to me and then we'll put JDJ and Kamal have

(02:23:54):
these feel like maybe priority practice squad ads right here.
Plus, you know, whoever doesn't make it out of this, out of this
pile. So all right, position wise, we
got most cornerbacks and wide receivers, although I may be

(02:24:15):
fudged the wider Series A littlebit.
Like I don't think Julian Hicks or Will Shep are really making
the roster, but I kind of wantedthem in the conversation.
OK. So for special teams, Colby
wouldn't play a lot of special teams for us last year?
Let me double check on that. Let's see, Drew says.

(02:24:37):
Watch Lumpkin make it over Sims.I don't understand the Ben Sims
hate. There's a lot of Ben Sims hate
among like other Packers contentcreators.
I don't, I don't understand it. I really don't know where it's
coming from at all. I feel like I missed something
big. 51 total snaps for wooden, 77 grade.
OK, so I I'm gonna say that that's a pretty strong special

(02:25:01):
teams nod for him. Aaron Mosby, of course, Corey
Ballantine, of course, and Isaiah Simmons and Christian
Welch. These are these are some special
teams. Let me see here, these guys
special teams for sure. Israel Abanakanda has kind of
been doing all of our kick returns stuff for the preseason

(02:25:23):
games. Again, not saying I think we're
gonna keep this many running backs like 4.
Feels crazy to me. And we're only in that position
because of Maheshawn not being able to stay healthy at all.
Daryl says have not seen Lumpkinmake plays and be productive.

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I like Sims, just don't think the Packers do when they made
him a healthy scratch during theplayoffs.
I don't know, I and I, I, I don't know what that's about
either. Because he played, he played a
lot. You know, the crazy thing is,
the crazy thing is they just didn't have any tight ends last
year outside of Craft. They had a one man show in that
room, but whatever. Oh and Malik Heath, big special

(02:26:14):
teams contributor again to me, these are the guys that I just
don't know. We've seen big special teams
indicators. I would go.
We need another corner and. Wooden.

(02:26:34):
This is wooden king, wooden king.
I think of the two. Where did I put what?
Oh, this wouldn't. I just don't know about.
King. That's why I don't either, but
I'm guessing. I'm guessing.
See, like, to me, King is a hardcase to make because Ballantyne

(02:27:00):
played a lot of snaps for us on defense last year.
A lot. And Micah is a draft pick this
year. Didn't King get waved at one
point and pick back up on the practice squad?
Wasn't he on the practice squad?He was on the practice, I think.
Kaylin King was on the practice.Squad.
He was. He was.
So that like that, I mean, that's a knock against him, man,

(02:27:22):
that they've already made the decision to move on from him
once. Yeah, they have.
I feel like of the three cornerbacks, King to me is the
least likely. Of those 3 cornerbacks, he seems
like the least likely. To make the roster.
I feel like Micah's the most likely to make it, and Corey

(02:27:45):
would kind of be my pick. Plus, like, I mean like if they
keep Micah, I just don't know that I think he's gonna get any
playing time. Whereas if Corey makes it, I
think he's gonna get playing time.
I'll leave it to you. I I I think wooden is in the

(02:28:10):
corner. It's wild.
To think they don't know. Like the cornerback room is in
this state where like we have 4 guys here, One of them is a
converted wide receiver this year.
One of them we have said like, we just don't think he can

(02:28:31):
really play and yet we still only really feel confident in
keeping four guys. It's just wild to me that this
is our quarterback. Situation.
Yeah, it's not ideal. Darryl says Valentine played

(02:28:52):
more snaps than the one or year CVS.
He's a vet who's been wanting tomake plays.
He fits well with Happily's. Scheme.
Can I tell you where I am leaning?
Yeah, please. I'm leaning by all means.

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Isaiah Simmons makes the roster as a special.
Teamer No. I think he makes the roster as a
special teamer. Man, I.
Can't. Or maybe Malik Heath.
That's really low at corner if you do that.
I'm just saying keeping Micah Robinson does not make me feel
better. Keeping Micah Robinson does not

(02:29:36):
make me feel better about cornerkeeping Corey Ballantine does.
That's fine. Like is Micah Robinson, Grant
Dubose, like the. Maybe.
The the seventh round rookie. Who?
Wasn't healthy enough to practice and then.

(02:29:59):
Yeah, we just. Put him on.
There because he was a seventh round pick on that corner room.
Baby, we're going to keep do this till the end of time.
Seventh round corners. Oh, Valentine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I feel like it's, I feel like

(02:30:20):
it's Valentine. The 2525.
There's just there's more bodieson offense that I feel like need
to be on here again. We could get rid of Jacob Monk
or Matt Orzek. Solves a lot of problems.

(02:30:43):
We can get rid of Luke Musgrave.Well, certainly Sam Shields.
Daryl said Micah Robinson might be on practice squad after the
roster cut. They usually sign something back
to the I would assume. Oh that's like the game will

(02:31:03):
bring him back. So sorry, that's like seventh
round pick Caitlin King as well.Wow, really like doing this.
So you know. So the question was do we have
room for both Brinson and Stackhouse?

(02:31:25):
And the answer was we put woodenon after either one of those.
Guys, I. Think it was too old for us who
asked that? Question.
Pretty sure. Lloyd, OR.
Anderson, Drew said Lloyd or Anderson could be injury guys.
Yeah, so that's true. But remember we can only, we can
only do 2. We can only have two who we put

(02:31:49):
on IR before the cut down. We already have three.
I think Colin Oliver is probablythe safest bet to be designated
for return. Christian Watson, there's a
better chance that he's just on the 53, and John Williams, I
think there's a better chance that his season's over.

(02:32:09):
Yeah, I think that the Watson thing of like I forget who
brought it up, Bates maybe did of like week 6 after the buy
that would certainly track for be on the be out in four games
designated to return type of thing.
Yeah. But the question is like the

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question to me is, is there somebody besides Colin Oliver
like a, a second person who theyfeel like, hey, this guy's gonna
be ready to come back in like week 8 or week 10 or something
like that. Whereas we think Watson is going
to potentially be earlier than that.

(02:32:53):
That's the whole thing for me. And that's why I would think
like Christian Watson, maybe he's just a really good
candidate for keep him on the 53and then put him on IR the next
day. Because then that lets you just
return him, you know, three weeks before you're ready for
him to start. Playing so it's tough.

(02:33:23):
It is practice. Squad should fill up pretty
quickly, yeah. You want to do practice squad,
be kind of fun. Sure.
So I would say. 25 Watson stays,Oliver stays on that, and then
Williams. Season's over.
Well, so for doing that, so if we do that, see you said Oliver

(02:33:48):
and who, who's who stays. Watson and then Williams.
His season's over. I think I would kind of be more
inclined to put. Watts in there.
So who are we taking off then 'cause you have?
To or Valentine and then we're then we're bringing, we're
bringing another cornerback backon afterwards.

(02:34:13):
OK, 7 or. 6 I mean, look here, here's here's the thing, OK, of
your cornerbacks, who the heck are you scared is going to get
sniped? No, none of these guys are
getting sniped. I think Goody probably is
worried that Mike Robinson is getting sniped.
Potentially, yeah, he might be worried about that.
Have we talked much about Mike Robinson and like what you

(02:34:34):
thought of him as a draft prospect?
Cause 'cause he was not on my radar as a draft prospect.
I didn't watch him. Not too much.
We didn't really get to talk about him that much.
Let me, let me. Grab some notes here real fast.

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Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is I didn't know if he
was going to be on Green Bay's radar.
I thought the other guy from Tulane was going to be.
I mean, he is fast, right? He's got the 438 on his on his
Ras card, but he was 183 at the Combine.
But I do remember an instinctivequick player and a guy who had

(02:35:21):
all the really all the functional athleticism to play
the position, potentially that position being nickel, right.
And so if if, if they're not saying anything about nickel and
you kind of see that that wide opening on that roster board
there, it's kind of like, well, maybe that is the move and then

(02:35:49):
maybe that's could be like you said, Goody's worried about it
so. But also there's the health
thing. This is the other thing is that
Micah's not healthy. Well, then he could be tossed on
that thing. And then John Williams.
Season's still over. I think that feels, I think that

(02:36:16):
feels like a possibility. That could be something that
happens. So let's let's two of the guys
who we think are really not in play to make the 53 but are
likely to be on a practice. Squad, so I would say.
Trey Hill? Yep, has to be.
And then I would say we're we're, we're in on JDJ, the

(02:36:39):
practice squad. Absolutely.
Like this is exactly where he belongs.
Just Ross. Needs more development, but he
like he's he's going to be a thing.
We we are excited about where he's at relative to, you know, a
practice relative to other practice squad players.
I I think Lumpkin probably is onthere, huh?

(02:37:00):
Probably. So those two, those two
probably. Well, I was looking at these
corners here and we have. Can.
Well, here, here. Here's how I think the corner
this pile of cornerbacks shakes up.
I think Baldwin or Haddon or both end up at the practice
squad. I think Valentine does not make
the 53. But then after they stash

(02:37:23):
Christian on IR they bring Valentine back and then I think
King is just. Out of here, I think he's just
done. So 1010 of the 16 must be
rookies or players with no more than two crude seasons. 10 of

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the 16 So is Trey, so JDJ counts.
Is Trey Hill a rookie? No, he's not a rookie, unless
I'm getting him confused. No.

(02:38:09):
No, because he was in Cincinnati.
So no, it can't. No, he's definitely not.
No. Oh my gosh. 2025 is his fifth
season. Trey Hill, dude, it's over for
Trey Hill. If he, I thought this whole time
I thought he was a one or two year player.

(02:38:30):
If he can't, if he can't play right now in Year 5, like what
are we waiting for? I hate I I feel mean for saying
it, but like what are we waitingfor?
What jump are we thinking he's going to make in Year 6?
No, this, this is Year 5. Yeah, but we're but we're saying

(02:38:54):
practice squad form which means we think the first time he would
maybe be on our 53 would be nextyear unless.
Monk gets hurt and he kind, and he is.

(02:39:24):
OK, I see. So he would.
Be one of the he would be one ofthe six that doesn't have that
designation right so. Omar Brown, though, is a rookie
for a second. Your guy, second year guy, he
was in the 24 draft. Yeah, a second year.
He has one year of experience. Lumpkin only.

(02:39:48):
Has Mar Johnson is a rookie. Yeah, Lumpkin only has one year.
I'm happy to keep Lumpkin over, obviously, Al.
Guzma is a Rook. Does algorithm can al guzma?
Is it possible to put algorithm?Where is?

(02:40:10):
Where is it? Where's the IPP slot?
Unless they're going to keep it for the kicker.
Dude, this kick, he was bad though.
Like you can't have a worse start than that.
Oh here's here it is. But can algorithm qualify for
IPP? I think he can.

(02:40:32):
I don't. Coach Lynn is asking Telford on
the 53 year Pack practice squad.We kept him.
Yeah, we we got him. We got.
Him on, we kept him in a tackle.He was our ninth offensive
lineman. Oh no, it excludes Canada, so
no. Well.
Who's? Tough and he's and he's going to

(02:40:53):
go here and. International must be not
touching the land mass. OK, that would OK Coach Lynn
wants wants him on there. Which wide receiver?
Well, what's the Isaiah Nayer? Nayer and Shepherd would count

(02:41:15):
as under 2, right? Shepherd's a Rook, Nayer's a
Rook. I like all three of the wide
receivers. I have selected Keith and I like
them better than Nayer, but I think Nayer is.
Could be the one. Probably.

(02:41:38):
Obviously Heath has three seasons.
Right. Done.
So yeah, wait, wait for him. Let's make sure we get the 10 on
here that Baldwin we think is going to be on there.
Yeah. King would be another one who's
under 2. I don't think they're.
I think they'll keep Haddon overKing though.

(02:42:00):
You think so? I wouldn't, but I think they
will. I just think that they've I
think we've seen, we've seen what King has.
I'm not saying I don't want to keep developing him.
I just the this Packers coachingstaff, I don't know, Corner is
just not one of those positions where they hold on to guys for

(02:42:20):
1000 years. Tackle, they'll hold on to a
tackle for a billion years. They'll hold on to a defensive
tackle for a billion years. What else?
Linebacker, center, I guess, butnot corner.
Corner they what they running back.
They'll hold on to a depth running back for a very long

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time. Yeah, I mean Mark Johnson.
But they just they don't do thatwith corner.
But what like name a corner thathas just hung around?
They're gonna, they're gonna putBrant Banks on this.
What was our 2019 sixth round pick?
His name began with AK. 2019 sixth round pick.
Oh, oh, he played it like Toledo.

(02:43:02):
Kadar Holman. Yeah.
Kadar Holman. Yeah.
I think Kadar Holman is the onlyguy who's hung around for 1000
years and it was really like 2 years.
Well, if you're going to do the tackle thing like Brant Banks is
a rookie 673 O 6. I guess, yeah.
That could happen. You say 6-7, yeah, I see him on

(02:43:25):
the roster. Oh.
He's over here. He's probably over.
Yeah, they'll probably do that. I know, I know.
Daryl's. Daryl's mentioning Tyron Herring
also. Yeah.
Have we ever seen anything from him, though?
I just don't think he's been that good.
I mean if he's played during the.

(02:43:50):
How to keep going to PFF grades?Because they're not everything,
but I mean Mike has got a 68 by the way.
Hearing's definitely been a goodrun D guy according to PFF.
So is Haddon, for what it's worth.
In the preseason or regular season preseason.

(02:44:13):
Well, Tyron Herring wouldn't obviously have any yet.
The preseason greats, just like never there's.
Just no correlation. There isn't.
I I by the way, I finally remember who Kamal Haddon
reminds me of. I I finally remembered who Kamal
Haddon's play reminds me of. And spoiler alert, it's like the

(02:44:35):
one quarterback who stuck aroundfor 1000 years being developed
KB and Ento. Oh yeah, that's true.
You said Lucita Smith or did well, my mind.

(02:44:55):
Patrick no, sorry I maybe I saidit, but I we have 8 of the 10
that need to be under 2. Yeah.
So let's see. 2. Let's look real quick here.
Not Tyler Cooper. I think JG Lippy had a good game
against the Colts. So like JG Lippy and Tyron

(02:45:16):
Herring are both Udfas from thisyear.
Yeah, we just picked up Jalen Simpson like today.
I don't know anything about him.I do.
I know that I watched him a little bit leading up to the
draft. Jalen Simpson.
But I didn't. Because he was, yeah, he was
like super undersized. I want to say.

(02:45:41):
He was like, I think he was the Auburn guy who was like, really
like, unless I'm like. No, that sounds correct.
Jalen Simpson, Auburn sounds correct to me.
Yeah, unless I'm losing my mind.What's his number?
Jalen Simpson 8 Are they losing?What the heck?

(02:46:02):
Is he one season out of Auburn? Yeah, that's right. 6 foot 180.
Yeah, he yes, yes, he was the guy who was like taller but
leaner. Yeah. 511 and five ace 179 at
the combine. That's right.
Yep, Elite everything but the size.
So we only have one wide receiver right now.
I kind of want to put Will. Shepard they may hang on to

(02:46:26):
Simpson then. OK, I.
Kind of want to keep Will Shepard, but like, we don't want
to give up on Molly Keith. Like, no, for Molly Keith, it's
just the numbers. I mean, those are three guys on
the squad. I think that's fine you.
Think they'll keep three wide receivers on?
They they don't want to do that.Well then they got to give rid.
Well then, one of them's out of the door.

(02:46:50):
We still need one more young guy.
What do we got for Oh? Yeah, we have Mosby.
There's not a lot of defensive ends on the roster.
Deslin Alexander, James Ester, Aaron Mosby.
Like, that's it for defensive ends here.
Yeah. We got to keep a guard.

(02:47:13):
A A Ron wouldn't count. Right, so we have to keep a
guard. The only guards we have to
choose from are JJ, Lippy, and that's it.
Like this. Oh, Mossy.
Unless. Unless he's getting.
Who I personally would probably keep if given the opportunity to
do so. Wasn't he with us already?

(02:47:35):
Isn't this his second stint withus?
It is. He's obviously in the same.
Class Bushland says Donovan Jangis the practice squad.
What year is this for him? Is this year 2 for him?
Yes, it is. So hey, Carol, based on that
experience, it would make the most sense.

(02:47:56):
Yeah, that that gives us 10 of the 16 being.
Three can keepers 5. Five more.
You can go any direction you like.
Yeah. And I would say like a priority
keep for me would be, well, it would have been, you know, one

(02:48:17):
of these two wide receivers. Would be the priority keep for
me. Yeah, I mean, based on PFF
grades, Drew, yes, Lacia Smith had a good a good preseason.
That's not. Again, that's not everything,
right? We have no defensive lineman on
the practice squad yet. Yeah, I mean.

(02:48:40):
So. I mean, O'malley's a rookie from
Northern Illinois. He could just do that.
No, O'Malley was at Toledo, wasn't he?
No, I I was wrong. It's Northern Illinois.
Oh, I was the one who said Toledo.
I thought he was at Toledo. He was not.

(02:49:00):
We doing Jalen Simpson? The guy we just signed today.
Yeah, we doing that? I mean him and Herring.
We already have Baldwin and OmarBrown in the DB room.

(02:49:22):
You know, I keep both of these guys trying to find us a
defensive lineman to keep. Yeah, it would be nice, wouldn't
it? I hear those are important.
Depends on who you ask. Not goody.

(02:49:43):
Well, you know, I wasn't going to name names.
But he doesn't. He's waiting for he's waiting
for a truly mid class defensive line.
Not like not not poor, not great, but truly.

(02:50:04):
Just mid in. The best sense mid and that's
what I yeah. You know the the video where the
guy screams mid like we need a class.
We need a class that is deserving of that.
Do you know what I'm talking about?

(02:50:24):
Yes, I do. Trying to find.
I'm trying to find a short clip of it.
Maybe it's O'Malley. All I can I just googled it and
all I can find is like 37 secondvideos I don't want.
That maybe it's maybe it's O'Malley.
Coach Len says I liked James Esther, but I think we just cut

(02:50:46):
him. But today, hold on.
No, you're thinking of Keith Randolph.
Keith Randolph got waved injuredtoday.
Yeah. We picked up Kwan Baker off
Raider off waivers from the Raiders on, oh, almost a week
ago now. I

(02:51:18):
kind of want to keep Israel about a Canada.
Live on the show I am getting a trade proposal in a dynasty
league. Well, tell us to do it live.
Keep us in suspense. Yeah, it's A.J.
Brown, Marshawn Lloyd and Troy Franklin.
Those would be the guys I would be receiving for puka.

(02:51:43):
No on that. For Puka Nakua and the big
beautiful bill himself, Kroski Merritt.
Yeah, so essentially you're justsaying it's puka for Brown AJ,
but also you have to give up a roster.
Spot. Yeah, right.
Yeah. I'm a smash no on that.

(02:52:03):
I'm going to counter. I'll say you can.
I will not take A.J. Brown.
I'll take Malik Neighbors in my counter proposal.
Malik Neighbors and you got yourself a deal.
Drew says last year we kept Deslin Alexander and James
Esther on the initial practice. Well, I was kind of wondering

(02:52:27):
about that. Aaron Mosby doesn't count, but
we don't need somebody to count.Makes sense if they go
Alexander. Alexander has actually had some
some game time with us. So has he 90% sure?
I'll double check. Not in 24, no.

(02:52:52):
Oh. Well, then, he didn't.
That was the year. Yeah, that was the year that I
thought 27. My goodness.
Not keep a 27 year old practice squad.
I don't care that we did it lastyear.
I'm putting Aaron Mosby on there.

(02:53:14):
OK. Aaron Mosby Aaron Mosby can play
football. He's going on.
How old is James Esther? James, Esther.
I might go. 20. 323 another Northern Illinois.

(02:53:37):
Guy, All right, we're keeping Mosby and Esther.
OK, it's 14. So we don't, we still don't have
a defensive tackle. Nope.
That's your guy though. Well, no, he didn't play at

(02:53:58):
Toledo, so I don't. I'm out.
Out and we simply don't have it.Yeah, I'll.
I'll take the trade if Malik's involved.
I was trying Malik. For Malik, Yeah.
Well, this is Malik Willis. Yeah.
Absolutely. I was trying to swing a trade
for the 1-2 that included neighbors with the same guy

(02:54:27):
during during the during the rookie.
Draft 2 left. One left.
I just put let's see the Smith in here.
Put let's see this on there. OK, Lippy.
No, no, you put an offensive lineman on there.
I'm fine now. Three offensive lineman works
for me. Simpson, Herring, or.

(02:54:51):
I do feel like it's one of those, well, Simpson, Herring,
or. King Haddon.
It's probably going to be Haddon.
Boys, we'll just do this, all right?
Taylor King gets the last. One look, we put every defensive
tackle we have on the actor rock.

(02:55:13):
We tried it our hardest, Yeah, they're just we still got a lot
of options. Dude, we got a freaking lot of
wide receivers. Look, we got 7 wide receivers on
the 53 and then three on the practice.
And we? Wave and.
We waved. Sam Brown.
Yeah, and you know what? And I still don't feel confident

(02:55:34):
in our wide receiver room, but Istill don't know if they can
hang on the ball. They can all get open.
Here's the good news. You know they can just draft
Makai Lemon next year. Just us.
If he's if he's still available at pick 32.

(02:55:56):
I'm good with it. Well, he might be Kyle Lemon or
Dominique Orange defensive tackle.
Yeah, Brian Maffie was talking about Orange in the chat
earlier. Brian Maffie put like 18 names
in the chat he did. So I do think, I do think

(02:56:22):
looking at this, you know, if ifthey kept the seven wide
receivers on the initial 53 and then put Christian on injured
reserve afterwards, I do think cornerback is where we're making
an addition. I think I think it would be
either King or Valentine. Yeah, it's not going to be

(02:56:46):
Haddon. I still think there's a shot
that Isaiah Simmons makes the roster as a special teamer.
I also think there's a shot thatthey only keep 3 running backs.
If we go back and look at running backs over the years

(02:57:08):
they have kept 4, but only one time.
In the Lafleur era they kept 2 in 2022 and then just rolled
with those two all year. And 2020 was the only time in
the Lafleur era where it's been 4 and 4.
Running back tight end as well. That's that is interesting.

(02:57:29):
McCarthy's last year it was 4 and 4.
But yeah, Lafleur has only done 4/4 once, so.
Yeah, 'cause for a while there there was this thing, you know.
OK, so we kept a fullback in 2019.
That was the guy who went to thePatriots, John.

(02:57:56):
Something, John? Princeton.
John. Anyways. 2018 is not the floor
era that was. I said 19.
Year McCarthy is fired, said that Drew was asking.
Oh. Yeah.
That was McCarthy's last season.Look at this.

(02:58:19):
The last three years we've kept.Double digit. 10 and 11
offensive line. What happened in 2012?
We got some guys on the injured that started on the IR and came
back. My goodness, Seven.
Yeah, I think so. Were we doing OK?
We. We.
Have a couple of weird things. Whoa, never do that again, Green

(02:58:40):
Bay. My goodness.
Do we have a linebackers? Do we keep a linebacker on the
practice squad? I don't know.
Oh odd, dear. Did we?
Yeah. JDJ.
Oh yeah, JDJ. That's right, that's right.
Yes, we did. Yeah, I'm assuming injury played
a part in that. It's been a couple of years

(02:59:03):
where? We had wouldn't make it.
Coach Lynn, We, we put every defensive tackle we could on the
roster, obviously other than O'Malley, who's like very
recent. Picked up O'Malley today and
every other defensive tackle. Everybody else is on it.
We we can't. We spared no expense.
We got to bring, we got to bring, we got to bring the lunch

(02:59:26):
pail guys to the trenches. We can't.
So let me leave. Anybody behind let?
Me ask you this, when you look at this roster here, which areas
are you still really concerned about corner, I think I still am

(02:59:51):
concerned about wide receiver well.
Simply and what we can do about.That guard.
I'm still really concerned aboutwide receiver and guard.
I think it's, I think it's very fair to be concerned about
Guard, yeah. I just don't know that we have

(03:00:15):
two starting guards on the roster.
I don't I we have 0 guards who Ifeel really confident in.
Since we're not playing Elton atat guard, we have 0 guards that
I feel confident in. Yeah.
Do be like Coach Len says Brinson is better than
Stackhouse. Interesting.

(03:00:37):
I would love to hear your explanation for why I don't.
But like, again, they're two different like Prince and I want
playing three, sure, more more so and then Stackhouse obviously
playing those tackles. So I don't, I mean as pass
rushers, yeah. I mean, probably, yeah, of
course, for instance out of Stackhouse.
But to me, they're two differentpositions and we treated them as

(03:01:01):
such. I think.
This is a tougher 53 projects inmost years and I think injury
plays a huge role in that. Injury.
The draft picks are going to be really interesting, right?
We have two of them on the. Reserve to start.
Right. Like we have two of them and
Williams is, you know, essentially red shirting.

(03:01:23):
So yeah, I mean, this is this isexactly it.
Yeah. Brinson's going to get washed
out more Yeah, as a three tech and going to get more pressure
because he's yeah, not an Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, this is weird. And with receiver commanding so
much, and then we have more defensive lineman.
We did put Zayn Anderson on Koshland.

(03:01:45):
We did do that. Well, wide receiver is is messy
because. You know if Watson's.
Return the Watson's timeline. Being the only Cole doing the
punt returning and so that's. And then Savion is a third round
pick, so you can't do anything with it except for stash them on
there. So you got and you got three

(03:02:06):
guys here who I don't. I don't know that we think we're
going to get any real contributions from them per SE
as wide receivers, which is tough.
It's also tough because these three guys are all hurt.
Reed, Dobbs and Wicks are all hurt right now.
Matthew Golden doing his best Jon Snow impression Week 1,

(03:02:28):
folks. Well, look.
A year ago we had one tight end for the season, it was Tucker
Kraft. This year we might have one wide
receiver and it's Matthew Golden.
Real nice to have Matthew, Golden and Ladd right about now.
A lot of things would be nice. I would be.

(03:02:49):
There's a lot of things that I think Goody could have done a
better job with in managing thisroster.
But here we are. We simply this is coming.
Simply what we do. This.
Is coming from somebody who's been a big, goody defender for a
very long time. I have.
I have a lot of recent frustrations with him. 24 and

(03:03:12):
25, yeah, Coach Lynn says Oladapo goes to practice squad.
Absolutely not. We got to keep Dapo Oladapo.
Is safety three we got? To keep him, we got to keep him.
I. Don't know how you.
Get now. He might not be.
He might not be Green Bay Safety3 in their minds, but I don't
know man. That's only because they insist

(03:03:34):
on playing Bullard, and I don't like Bullard is one of those
guys. We're going to have to watch
them trot out there until he proves that he can't play.
Right. Yeah.
Drew says Reed could get designated to return.
How hurt is Reed? I thought he just had a sprain
in his foot. Red shirt?

(03:03:54):
One of the rookies? What rookies?
Oh, like all rookies are rookie wide receivers.
Like John Williams is getting a red shirt.
Micah's getting a red shirt. Colin probably getting a red
shirt. Yeah.
Like Savion's not getting a red a red shirt.

(03:04:16):
No. No, Dobbs was back.
In practice, he was. Was catching he got a 74 yard
touchdown pass today. Yeah, we're going to need it.

(03:04:37):
Hardman had a drop. Let's
see Reed. So here's the guys today who did

(03:04:58):
not practice. So Jayden Reid is out, Wicks is
out, Nate Hobbs is out. McKinney, Lloyd, Zayn Anderson,
Jacob Monk, Aaron Banks, Savian Williams and Baron Sorrell are
all out. Here's the guys on PUP, Watson,
Oliver and Williams, John Williams.

(03:05:18):
So yeah, you know, it's funny. We weren't we, I did not look at
this. I didn't know those three guys
are on PUP actually just, but just based on what it is sounded
like about their injuries, this is where I just end up sticking
them. So they're those are the the
three guys on PUP. Omar Brown is in the hospital.

(03:05:42):
Yeah. You know what makes things
easier? It's a long stream, glad we have
our redacted energy. Would be if Marshawn Lloyd, if

(03:06:02):
his injury is bad enough that they designated him for return
that actually. Simplifies things.
Unwell. It simplifies things with the
53. Yeah, we go and we go and light
at linebacker. Coach Len.
Yep, that's it's the that's it'sthe plan at the moment.
Well, I fought to put both of those guys on and Jake, Jake

(03:06:25):
can't see it. I think Jake only sees these
four. I mean, like, who would be our
fifth linebacker? Like like playing it the
position. I know it's not going to be
playing the position, my guy, you're playing.
You're playing WI fence. You ain't playing you're there's
no defense for you, bud. Get ready to learn WI fence,

(03:06:45):
buddy boy. If if Sims doesn't make it, I
might lose my mind. I might lose my mind.
Where does the like? Him being a healthy scratch for
the playoff game was like a death sentence in the minds of
anybody who follows the team. He is the only guy right now

(03:07:06):
where I go, Yep, he's the guy inline.
So Kraft can run routes and likeyou hope Fitzpatrick can do
that. Otherwise, I mean when you're in
12. You know, telling you man.
Like you like. Other people.
JJI, just don't. Other people are not in the same
place that you and I are at withwith Luke Musgrave.

(03:07:29):
People think that Luke Musgrave is legit.
They think he's the real deal. I guess so I I just.
It seems to me it's the. Exact same deal as with like
Kenny Clark. I would love to just cut
Musgrave, but I can't. We can't.
We evidently can't do. Muskrat.
Luke Muskrat. Yeah, Coach Lynn says Fitz can

(03:07:56):
play in line. That's what I say.
It's about to be time. I say Fitz can play online.
It's about to be Luc Musgrave's season, right?
Fall. It's coming, right?
You know, So that's his time. You're saying you only want want
to just keep? You want crafted Edrick
Musgrave? I think he's saying Kraft,

(03:08:17):
Fitzpatrick, Musgrave. Coach, do you like?
Which Musgrave? What's the man?
Look, you're a football coach. You're looking at a tight end.
Your first priority has to be can he block?
No, that should be the thing foreverybody.
This should be the thing for everybody nowadays.

(03:08:37):
Don't understand events. I'm sick of the like, hey, I can
catch passes. It's like, OK, what else can you
do? Explain.
Explain this to me? No why Musgrave over Sims?
Explain that one to me. I would assume.
It's tell me why Musgrave over. Sims I think it's just simply
because he can. He's he fast dead boy fast.

(03:09:00):
He's fast for a tight end, he's slow for a receiver.
He can't block. Yeah, I just.
You also can't stay healthy, so you know you got that.
We already have a hospital case right here in Marshawn Lloyd
that we have to keep on the roster.
I just. I just don't think.
How is Musgrave more? Versatile.

(03:09:20):
I just don't think he can do anything.
Versatile. Like what's his skill set?
What what thing? What does he do that you like?
Does Musgrave do that you like? It's just, it's simply the seam
ball for me personally. But again, we can definitely,
certainly see it differently. But.
And I'm not trying to sound combative, I'm just asking you

(03:09:42):
very directly, What does Luke Musgrave do?
That you like. Like to me, like the only, the
only like blocking you're going to get out of him is simply, you
know, we're in zone, get to the space and just occupy it.
For me, that's like that's my thing.

(03:10:05):
Because other than that, I feel like it's running down the seam,
beating the Tampa the the the whole beating the runner in
Tampa like that to me is his thing.
Or you know, the two places, thetwo big plays he made where he
was the league tight end of thatsimply on that play.

(03:10:26):
Because I don't think a his brakes are quick enough where it
looks at the level of what you want Wix to be doing or Reid to
be doing in the slot like that. I just I can't get there.
Like Wix is too sharp. It it's it's night and day
versus Musgrave. Like yeah, I get the over
routes, but like, man, I like anything sharp of like you want

(03:10:51):
this slot receiver to run XYZ number of rot like the the full
route tree, like Musgraves just not going to do that like
Musgrave. Yeah, the Musgraves routes are
to me at least up the seam crossers where he's given a lot
of space to start and and build up that speed.

(03:11:12):
Like that's it. Like This is why again, This is
why I like we were talking aboutthis like super early on in
January, February of like, hey, if Tyler Warren's available at
at the pic, would you pick him? It's like, yeah, 100% would.
That's why we picked Loveland a bunch, right.

(03:11:32):
And so I like. Ben Sims was the healthiest
scratch in that playoff game, but he played all 17 regular
season games leading up to that point.
Chris. Right, we don't we don't but

(03:11:55):
like, but to me Musgrave is a a big slot at this juncture like
he's simply a big slot. And so like, to me, I'm what I
think about Musgrave now, it's like, OK, is what can he do as a
slot receiver essentially? Because, and again, if like if
you're, if you're a tight end in12 and you're like, you're,

(03:12:16):
you're not a blocker, you have to be as good as Bowers and
Kelsey. Like you have to be that good.
You have to be as good as McBride, who who is even getting
better as a blocker. You have to be as good as
Laporta, who's getting better asa blocker.
Nobody. No.
I would just like to see Musgrave start to get better at
blocking. Yeah, like nobody I, I know,
like nobody cares about this. But like David and Joku, it took

(03:12:41):
time, but he's no longer just like athlete make play guy.
He is. I'm using what I think 34 inch
arm length to help me as a blocker and be out there full
time. Like he's doing that.
Yeah. Evan Ingram's probably another
example, but like they have to design stuff for him and that,

(03:13:01):
you know, drastically limits certain parts of the game to me.
So yeah, I guess again, yeah, I guess different body type.
But like, I don't know, I just feel like he doesn't, he doesn't

(03:13:22):
win through contact like I'd like him to do and all of that.
But like, again, I understand it.
There's some they still see it. I know.
I think Drew said it would be a pretty quick to get open a
second round or I understand that.
But yeah, I. I'm sure I'd rather move on from
Lloyd than than Musgrave, probably.

(03:13:44):
Certainly I, I coach, Yeah, I get your point too.
I, I understand, I understand where you're coming from.
I I get it with the Musgrave stuff because there, there is
the level of uniqueness, but he's not quite at the ceiling of
like you're just playing him like Mike Kasicki.
I don't think he's quite there yet either.

(03:14:05):
And that's like the thing I'm kind of more envisioning.
But yeah, it's, listen, they putthemselves in the situation.
They could draft a Brian branch,you know, at that spot if they
if they so desired. But they didn't.
And you know, yeah, this is thisis a deal there.

(03:14:29):
There's a lot of this at at thisposition this year.
Make or break gear for Musgrave needs to show at least some
health and growth. Like that's true.
Musgrave has to do that this year.
Dalton Kincaid also has to do that this year.
By the way, in Buffalo, Like it's very make or break it for
him. We'll see what happens.
Darnell Washington in Pittsburgh, because they brought

(03:14:52):
in John Who they've got Ferrar Youth on an extension.
Like, I don't know what you know, his is his ears are going
to look like what they're expecting from him.
It is kind of a make or break itfor and even mayor a little bit
too in in Vegas, a little bit oflike, yeah, your in line guy
kind of Bowers is the type. Can you can you provide a little
more? Can you do a little bit more?

(03:15:13):
And I I I would lean toward the fact that mayor can do a little
bit more and it will probably get there.
But for the other three, I thinkit's kind of hey leg it's it's
put up time. Yeah, Rogers might like him as
Mercedes Lewis type for sure. It's just weird that they
brought in Jonnu. Well, it's not weird because
Arthur Smith loves him, but it'sjust like they didn't.

(03:15:34):
That's not what they needed. They needed it like an actual
receiver. So it was listen, you hey, don't
have me with a good time, Chris saying we should swap Bayer for
Musgrave. Yeah, I know.
I don't have me with a good time.
I'm you, you know, I'm in on that.
So. Drew says it's pretty

(03:15:55):
interesting to see 4 out of 3.4 running backs with an injured
Lloyd on the list. It'll be fascinating to see how
it plays out. And I think the the big problem
is just that like these are our three running backs and Goody's
going to want to keep his pet project.
But like we have a football teamto put together, we need to go

(03:16:18):
win games. Yeah, look at my guy Drew, also
tempting me with a good time to talk about Aranda Gadsden.
Yeah, we're good. Sure.
There's a lot of Yes, Please. You like both of those guys.
Listen, you for sure tell me I like Luke Buche.
I, I, I like John Williams. I don't have a problem with with
John Williams. It's just, you know, the back
injury is brutal. Yeah, you don't have to tell me.

(03:16:38):
About coach, we do have Amara Johnson on the practice squad.
I I feel like that might be one of the safest locks of the
practice squad. Is is Amara Johnson.
I'm not sure who, other than maybe Jonathan Baldwin, you
would be quicker to slot in on the.
Practice squad than than Amar Johnson.
And I would say actually, Amar Johnson might be the only

(03:17:03):
practice squad guy who we think has a chance of getting stolen.
I don't think he will, but I don't know who else that we're
we put on here. Well, Malik.
Heath, Malik, Heath. I think Malik Heath.
And here's the question from like Keith is like assuming that
he doesn't make the 53 and we offer to bring back in the

(03:17:25):
pregnant squad, is he going to be kind of done with giving
Green Bay a chance and want to go elsewhere?
Because we've seen that a bunch too.
Yeah, Coach. I think we're we're, we're
probably leaning red shirt. For both of these guys, yeah, I
would think John Williams. And Colin Oliver.

(03:17:46):
Oliver might get there as well, yeah.
You know, just just due to injury, just due to injury,
which is and Colin Oliver, they're both both of them are
bummers because I I think for like where they were drafted.
Those were the two most excitingpicks to me in this class.

(03:18:09):
You know not not to like sleep on Matthew Golden like we we
loved. Matthew Golden, he was just to
me, he was the best pick. Golden was, but I get where
you're coming from. Unlike exciting because we
didn't talk about it as much, right?
We we, we we went on the Golden path a lot.

(03:18:31):
We went on the Abuka path a lot right pre draft, like a little
bit of the Tet path because there was that like slight
moment where I was like, oh Goody went to Goody went to his
private workout. I mean I I.
Think we can? Get him chance that any of those
guys were going to fall to us. I yeah, I, I thought the most, I
thought pre draft, I thought themost likely of the four was

(03:18:53):
Ibuka just simply because the only question mark on his resume
was playing on the boundary or not like full time, like it
seemed like he was the most likely to fall there.
Well, keep buying stock on Ibuka, though, with the injuries
to Jill McMillan in Tampa. He's gonna, he's gonna get, he's

(03:19:17):
gonna get significant playing time.
Listen, we should have, we should have known when they
drafted Ibuka, the like Godwin thing was like, we're gonna
bring you back 'cause hopefully you can play right this year
where it was like, no, there this is 100% insurance.
It was like, oh, why'd they do that?

(03:19:38):
It's like, no, they did that. They knew not, not that not that
the predicted the Jalen McMillaninjury, but they knew like
Godwin was still coming back from a serious, serious injury.
So yeah, I, I, it is rare that your first rounder is your best
value. I, I think because I went

(03:20:00):
through it. If y'all didn't.
Read it, which is fair. I went on my sub stack and kind
of went through you know who I thought the best pick was for
each team and did some other stuff for each team And like
often like half of them ish are going to be the first rounders
just cause talent fit need all that kind of comes together.

(03:20:25):
But yeah. Not usually true of the Packers.
No. They they have a not usually
been. True at all?
No. No, they have a unique need at
wide receiver of they they have a huge supporting cast in that
room and they just need somebodyto come in and be the guy.

(03:20:50):
And I think if they didn't have gold, let let's say, you know,
Golden gets abducted by aliens tomorrow.
Like who's your who's the guy inthe room this year?
It's probably Dobbs, honestly, just based on like the health
situation for everybody else andthe drops issues that Reed and

(03:21:12):
Wicks have been having. Like either one of those two
guys gets it figured out or it'sDobbs, which is just crazy that
this is, you know, like this. This wider receiver room is just
wild. OK, 15 of the 32 were first
rounders for me, like as best picks.

(03:21:35):
So anyway, didn't mean dinner out, but Ibuka was one of them
by the way, so. Well, Jake, it's we're at, we're
at 3 hours and 21 minutes right now.
So we we probably need to let the good people get to.
Bed. I think so.

(03:21:56):
I think so. I.
Appreciate too old for this and Chris N for for sponsoring the
53. Did not have to sponsor 53, but
I appreciate that you did. The only thing you really needed
to have sponsored was a a mock draft, but we had a really good
time doing this. Appreciate everybody for
sticking around this whole time.Yeah, for those who came in, you

(03:22:18):
know, anytime, I know there's some people who popped in
significantly after we started, but we appreciate you popping in
no matter what time it is so. The.
Thing is. 19. I'm trying to put it on screen.
It's not going it's just saying error with your file.

(03:22:39):
There was an issue with your file.
Please, please try again in a little while.
Not. Well, I guess we got to do the
mock draft and then I'll come up.
No, I want to share. This is bad.
This is bad. Here I got it.

(03:23:04):
Dang it. We'll do we we can do we can do
a mock draft next week because let's see is the is the the cut
down? So next Tuesday we are, we are
doing our pod like a few hours after the 53 comes out, right?
I did it. You did what?

(03:23:28):
I just did one. You're 53.
Oh, you're mocked. I'm going to save it.
Put it on the screen, put it on screen for the good people.
Since it's already done, put it on the screen for the good
people and we'll, I think they deserve it.
What is that emoji? That's a cool emoji.

(03:23:49):
It's a YouTube sticker. Gosh, I have to remember how to
do this. Too tired for this?
Hopefully it works for you because it wouldn't let me share
my Ed policy picture. I had to.
I had to, Yeah. I wish you could save just a

(03:24:10):
picture to put on screen sometimes, but you can't.
That's not a thing that lets youdo.
Boom, done. Leak Muhammad in the first
round, Cornerback out of Texas Edge Teo Yungalule in the second
round. Oh, absolutely a guy.
And then tackle Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern in the third.
Round. Guess where he's playing?
Not tackle. No, that's where he's he's

(03:24:33):
playing guard folk, is he? Playing left or right guard for
us. Don't know one of them.
Whichever we need more. He's versatile.
Muhammad. Says I tried.
What did you try? Muhammad's putting on the
weight. Muhammad's put the weight on.
That's all I got to say to the to the detractors we're gonna

(03:24:54):
have. We're gonna make sure.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, He is. He is indeed.
So, so, yeah, so cut down day is3:00 PM Central Time next
Tuesday. And so two things that you need
to tune into. One is on Monday.

(03:25:18):
Bruce Edmonds and I are submitting our 50 threes.
This is our annual tradition. It is a fierce competition, I
can tell you that. I think I'm four and one against
Bruce. He thinks I'm two and one.
I think I'm four and one. I think we've been doing this
for for. Five years now.
Where we do a 53 projection battle every single year.

(03:25:41):
And you know, I got to give him his followers last year.
Who is it? Matt from the Hey, we like your
paws. What's his last name?
Super nice guy on on Twitter, drawn a blanket, what his last
name is. But he always keeps track of
everybody's 50 threes. Like if you're out there and you
cover the Packers in any capacity and you put a 53 out

(03:26:05):
there, he tracks it. And then he keeps score on like
who does the best. And I think last year Bruce tied
for first. So, you know, that's hard to
beat. So good job, Bruce.
But on Monday we are, we are submitting our 50 threes and,

(03:26:26):
and then on Tuesday we come backon here on the pod.
I think we're going to have to slot in a mock draft since we
can't do a 53 at that point. I think that's only fair.
I think it's only fair. How many mock drafts can can
Jake fit in before I kick him off the screen And.

(03:26:49):
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Someone said Jake didn't take a
tight end. What's wrong with him?
Hold on. I I got us covered.
Here we go. That's exactly what I thought
you were going to take. Yeah, the guy who blocks JJ, We
got the classic blocks right now.
OK, there we go. Hey, they're all, you know,
they, they've all been underclassmen, all right?
It's you. You got, you got to.

(03:27:09):
Develop your. I thought about it.
I thought about Dominique Orangethere.
OK, I got to remember how how tosay this case.
I know. Olavavania Johanne.
Yeah, I've. I watched him.
Olive. Olive.
Avania. Johanna.
OK, You watched him. He's.
Good he's good. He's very good.

(03:27:31):
He's very good big fan watch thePenn State online just for him.
OK, I'll have to check that out and I did watch and I've watched
a lot of Delp. We did a Brian and I did a show
on Sunday talking about tight ends in 26 Delp tight end 3 to
start the process. Really good blocker.

(03:27:54):
Really good blocker. Well, so on that note, I want to
say something Oliva vena Joanna,and in the words of the late,
great Mr. Ed policy. Go, pack.
Go.

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