Where Do You Rank Jordan Love, Matthew Golden, Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Ness and the Rest?

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular small Green Bay was
restless. Spirit ran low and then it hit
me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fans started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took down the line.
If I told you I could bare the thought.
Stealing a chance some soccer team God.
No need for a Viking to borrow achin.
I'll choose out the power of thefrozen monsoon.

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The absent you crib it. Did you buy online?
But that's not my policy. These words are my name.
Go back gold. Go back gold.
Go back gold. Go.

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Back. Go.
Did you hear that? She's head spit.
Go back, go. He was hot up and loud screaming
Go back, go said, you know we ain't no choir.
Go back, go. So we shouted so loud.
Go back, go, go back. Go Yeah.

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Go back. Go back.
Welcome back to Derailed. I am your host, JJ Leahy here

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with my good friend the Draft Robot.
Welcome, Jake Shivink, Thank youfor joining us today.
It's good to be here, it's good to be inside.
I'm sick of the heat outdoors, but again, 11, you know, one
week closer to football, so there you go.

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Yeah, we we escaped the heat as well and watched some old
Packers highlights and you know,that made it go a little bit
easier. But and we got, we got a full.
O. Slate today, it's going to be a
blast. We're going to be ranking
Packers players and I think before we do that, we have to

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discuss a bit of of what that means, right?
How are we ranking them? I kind of wanted to take the
guys who we think, you know, presumed to be starters, key
players, guys who are going to see a lot of snaps as well as

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backups who are likely to be playing and then kind of compare
those against the rest of the league.
It's kind of kind of what I had in mind.
I thought we'd rank them into tears.
And the, the point of all this is to give us yet another way to
talk about the Packers roster, which, let's be real, it's the

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best thing to do this time of year, especially ahead of all of
the training camp stuff that we're going to get to watch.
And I think that if you don't set expectations ahead of time,
you can't then look back and make a a fair assessment of what

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goals were achieved. So I, I think for that reason,
taking stock of of where we're at beforehand is is worthwhile
tool for this. Changed his display name to Two
full of Youth for this. I hate it.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
Well, because I rank Derail as my favorite live show.

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I mean, I'm glad we're your favorite anything but secretly I
was hoping we we were your favorite show period, let alone
live show. No, I'll take favorite anything
honestly. I also just don't know how many
live shows you listen to. So, you know, maybe this is, you
know, we are your favorite by default because you don't listen

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to any others. I don't know.
How many I would take favorite things to have on in the
background? Even I, I would gladly accept
that too. Do you listen to podcasts, Jake?
Yep. You a podcast consumer?
I have let me not a lot. I got my.
A few. I use the app Podcast Addict.

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Let me see here. No I don't want your
announcement. I am subscribed to 71 podcasts.
Oh wow. I would say maybe like 15 of
those I don't listen to very. Often OK.
So there, there's a lot in therethat I keep up on all the time.
And very few of them are football.
None of them are NFL. They are, oh, wow.

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Football ones I do consume are all college.
OK, Honestly, it's because there's so many freaking teams
in college that it's, it's too much work for me to go keep up
on everything that's happening with the teams that I care about
in college on my own. And so I go find the beat

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writers who are working the hardest for, you know, whoever,
Notre Dame, Oregon, whoever, theteams I want to keep up on and
tune into them. So that's that's what I do there
tool for this says nobody hates it more than me.
Yeah, you know, love us, hate us.
You know, a minute ago you said we were your favorite live show.

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Now nobody hates us more than. No, no, he's talking about his
name change for. Sure.
I don't know why you changed your name man.
It's 100% what he's talking about.
He says. Guarantee the chat of.
PTA found out I was the youngestone and they wouldn't stop
giving me heck. No.
You brought that on yourself. It's cool for this.

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Can't. Go around saying.
That Daryl, listen, if you are self-conscious about something,
you have two options. Option number one is you make
fun of it yourself before anybody else can.
True, right? That's what I I'm so
self-conscious about my dashing good looks that I make fun of
them so that you guys won't makefun of me for being so handsome.

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There you go. United Bates says Hey fellas.
Hey United Bates, thanks for tuning in.
So the the chat's starting to fill up, which is nice.
This means we can go in on some of the stuff we want to do.
Chris the casual N says good evening y'all, good evening.
Will that go? Chris?
What is I'm terrified to ask. So your display name is the
casual N. What is?

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What does that mean I. Just thought he's been Chris and
for many a time, although I before the name change as well.
Yeah. And then got to be the first
initial of his last name. I would think so.
He says casual fan. All right casual fan.

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We got Prince Capsaicin in the chat.
Prince, glad to see you join in.Happy to have you here.
Don't this turn know nothing. Hold on a second.
Let me see here let. Me change this.
This is important, Mr. I got to capitalize the way he did.
No, nothing. Ready.

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There we go. Change my my title, Mr. No,
nothing. I love this.
This makes me so happy there. You go.
Yes, I am clearly self-consciousabout my ripped muscles.
I am. You know, here's the thing, this
is all Dad's strength. This is from Carrie and my kids
around. All right, I got pretty beefy

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arms. Dad's strength?
Do you have Dad back at all? Has that said?
What's dad back? What's dad back?
Is that like lower back? Yeah.
OK, so here's The funny thing. So I just got long, long term
disability insurance. Like I like, I applied for a
policy. I'm not like claiming anything.
I just applied for the policy incase something happens to me,

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right? Yeah.
And so they, you know, they did this big, you know, medical
evaluation of me and everything and they came back and they said
it's, we're going to have to puta, an exception on here for mid
back pain. I'm like, the heck are you
talking about? I don't have no history of mid
back pain, but they put that on there.
They said we have to exempt mid back pain for the first year of

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your policy. And at that point we can
revisit. I, I don't even have any
theories as to what this is from.
I don't know what I did that flagged them, you know, made
them nervous about it. Like I went to a chiropractor,
you know, a few years ago. OK.
For some back pain, but apparently that's enough to get
you exempted. So I don't know.

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My back pain is mad. It says 2 full of youthfuls.
I'm not going to call you 2 fullof youthfuls.
That's stupid. You know why it's stupid?
Because it's longer. All right, Too old for this.
Rolls off the tongue. 2 full of youth, for this is a mouthful.
Well, I hope you can change it in time for Ed.
Policy day. So that is, that is the biggest

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thing we had to discuss is what are we doing?
Like I, I think Jake and I kind of know what we're doing for Ed
policy day next week. So next Monday, remember Ed
policy day is the last Monday. So next week we are not going to
be here for a normal regularly scheduled Tuesday programming.
We're going to be on here the day before, which is Ed policy

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Day. Last day in June, last Monday in
June, and you guys better show up.
If we have low numbers for Ed policy day, I'm going to
freaking delete the channel. All right, you at least you at
least need to pop in and say what you're doing to celebrate.
If I don't see any of that and Idon't see a celebration in the

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chat, maybe we'll just take a week off.
I guess I don't know some to think, Chris.
Is celebrating by quitting his job.
Some to think about. Good man, I'm proud of you.
This is what we need. Ed policy day and July 4th same
week, both weekdays. Take both off simple three day

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week next week. Did you order your fireworks?
I don't have to order. Do you already have them on
stock? I can just drive 15 miles and
grab some. OK, perfect.
I don't have to do a whole lot. I got my spotted cow.
I'm going to cook up my brats soso I'm Ed policy day in style.

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I'm bringing the short ribs. I'm going to eat some live on
the show, I think. That's excellent, Will.
There be redacted energy at Ed Policy Day speaking.
Of redacted energy. OK I'm.
I'm drinking a can. I got to open it.
OK. How confused do you think new

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viewers of the show are when they happen?
I don't know. Talking about redacted energy.
You know. Ed.
Polling day, well, if they don'tknow about Ed policy day, I
mean, you know, that's that's tough that's tough we'll have to
we'll just. Going to let Darth Vader speak
for us. They will join us or die there.

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You go. But Speaking of redacted energy,
I sent a letter to the company who is not going to be named
until they sign us. I told them, I'm like, you can
sponsor us for a dollar. Not like a dollar per episode,
just a dollar. All right, you can sponsor us

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for a dollar. Perfect.
Maybe toss a dollar in there forJake as well and.
Not required, but always appreciated.
Here's what I really want. What I want is for this company
who will not be named. I want.
Yeah, to look for this. Good.
That's good. Yeah.

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They better not good. Who knows?
I want REDACTED. I want REDACTED to sponsor my
weekly REDACTED. That's all I want.
Just send me a redacted can eachweek.
That's all I want. I want to not have to pay for
this can that I drink live on air every week.
Honestly, like do that and I will reveal the logo.

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You guys, you don't you have no idea what brand this is.
Nobody knows. This is one of the you know,
it's one of the great mysteries in life.
Where's Jimmy Hoffa buried? What logo is on this can that JJ
drinks every week? Who can say?
For this like 3 weeks ago you asked us to talk about the Naked

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Gun trailer and so I have attempted to do something here.
I've attempted to load the trailer up into our stream.
I'm terrified that it might not work, but we're going to try
this. You know what Jake?
Are you? Do you have doubts?
Yeah, for sure. But it's I think.

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We're you want me to not not attempt this?
No, I it's fine. I think it's fine.
Have you seen the teaser trailerfor it yet?
I did. I did see the preview for it in
theaters when I watched MI 8, soOK.

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This is the same one. Yeah.
OK, OK. Sorry.
Are you asking me not to play it?
Listen. You, you do what?
You Hey, you know, we're a few days from Ed Policy Day.
Go nuts. Start the party early.
All right, so we're going to play this for too old for this.
I honestly don't remember a whole lot.

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This will be kicking off. Let's be officially kicking off
our early Ed Policy Day celebrations.
Multiple SWAT units responding to hostage situation.

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Hey, little girl, stop. What do you want, little one?
Your ass. Who are you?

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Frank Dreben Police Squad. The new version.
Hi, Daddy. It's me.
Frank Junior. Love you.
Hey, Dad. Boy, do I miss you.

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I can't wait, it's going to be so good.
Do you like the original naked guns?
Have you seen those? Oh, man, I it's been a long
time. It's been a long time.
I think I. Was kind of surprised I didn't.
I actually didn't realize it wasthat was a thing when I went to

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the theater, right? Right.
No, I was. Coming up, I was like, oh, oh,
wait, what is this? Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
It's. It wasn't until he said Frank
and then I lost it. It's like the the the top
comment on YouTube on that trailer is get me Leslie
Nielsen. We can't well get me a similar

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sounding name then. Yep, I think.
Oh, that's perfect. That's perfect.
I think it'd be great. Yeah.
That I didn't know, yeah. So listen, listen, we like to
have a good time out here. We're going to do our.
We're going to do our. Yep.
Yep, he is. Yeah, That's I I mean, do you
like Seth MacFarlane, Jake? Yeah, yeah, I enjoy.

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I feel like there's very few people I don't enjoy at least a
little bit, I feel like. I'm kind of the opposite of the
guy. And, and this shows too, like
when we're talking about football players even like we're
talking about almost everybody and you're like, oh, here's
something I really like about this player.
And then we list the Hall of Famer and I'm like, he's a
little overrated. That's true.

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This is. This is why we're the perfect Co
host for each other, right? Quince Capsaicin says police
squad got cancelled way too soon.
Wait, are you new? Ron Sandel?
Are you new? He's welcome.
Welcome to the chat. Really excited to have a new
face in here. Feel like we get a couple new
faces every single week, but I still get excited every single
time. Welcome, he says.

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Special set of skills and a toolfor this says Spaceballs 2 is
happening. I don't know how I feel about
that. You know what, man?
You got two options. You can either boycott something
that's coming out or you can embrace it and be happy about
it. All right, So you know, do you
want to be happy or? No, I think you could actually
also just be indifferent. I think that's also a
possibility. I I think you.

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Can do it. You're saying you watch it and
you're indifferent to it. No, I think you just, you know,
don't bother seeing it. I don't think it's a boycott
necessarily, just kind of like doesn't really move the needle
for me. I I guess that's kind of what I
meant, yeah. I didn't mean like boycott it as
in like, you know, protest and sting street corner.

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Hate campaigns, online, all thatstuff.
No, OK, you just met. OK, we're just like.
I I live in this tiny town and there's this one street corner
that always has people standing on the corner with signs.
Always. You can't drive by this street
corner and not see some groups. It's usually like 3 or 4 60 year

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olds standing there with signs. Usually the signs are offensive
too. Like it kind of doesn't matter
what the issue is that these andit's all these different groups
protesting all the time, totallydifferent people, but they the
people who choose to stand on that corner, it's like a thing
now they feel like they have to bring like an offensive sign.

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So that's, you know, that's our our small town culture that.
We There we go. Interesting.
Let's see, Ron's an OG of PTA posse yo.
I've definitely. Seen him over there plenty in
the comments. Happy to have you, Ron.
Shall we get to some some rankings here?

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I, I, I think you, you have not seen what I put together.
No, here's here's what I put together.
Different tiers at policies face.
Here we go. It's.
Let me take the thing up. Oh, you know what I need to do.
I need something. Fry cook is incredible OK.

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I think in another life I was was an insult comic or will be
an insult comic because Fry. Cook.
Do you? So here.
Here's the big question is are these even the right tiers
'cause these are pretty serious tiers and I had considered if we

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needed a special tier specifically of like this, this
is a breakout, you know, this isa a now or never season for
somebody. Like I considered like we need a
tier like that. Here's my question, do you feel
like there's what's? What would you say your
differences are for reliable starter and above average?

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Yeah. So I would say.
Just curious, I'm I'm not disagreeing, I'm just wondering
how that order works for you. Did not mean to interrupt.
Go ahead. I think if it's I think it, I
think if if they get hurt and they're above average, you're
like, oh, Dang, it's going to bea downgrade probably.

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If it's reliable starter and they get hurt, you're worried.
All right. So maybe, maybe we're thinking
something along the lines of. Like I was wondering if above
average is like spotty starter like up and down starter?

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Well, or or just like a rotational, I mean, like there
there's a big drop off from this, this above average tier to
the just a guy. So like the above average, like
they're not necessarily a starter is the thing.
They're not a starter. But if they are now unavailable
like that is a blow to the team,especially minimum, it's a blow

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to the depth. Cause OK, 'cause like so above,
so so everything is is kind of so just a guy is kind of like
above average is above average relative to just a guy is what
you're saying here. I'm just trying to make sure I
get this because yeah, someone, someone Ron said it feels like

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they could be switched. I think there is a world where
people could see that very clearly and say they could be
switched. And that's why I think like All
Pro, excellent, reliable starteris your quality.
And then I would think like volatile starter would be kind
of the orange to me because it'slike, OK, he can have his
moments. He can be a little bit down.

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Are you still worried about the depth a little bit when he goes
out? Yes, because he has those, you
know, big moments, you know, butsometimes not like, and then
just a guy is kind of like you're floating around like
average and like, you know, you're just kind of there.
And then then obviously you get down to the fry cooks, which I

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know I'm surprised there isn't aspecial tier for Orzek himself.
Can't believe there's not a bad Orzek tier.
Well I believe it or not, there is a tier on here that
originally had a player's name and then I change it to fry
cook. Oh wow, who could it?
Be I don't know, but the position rhymes with strong

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farter. There you go.
Does it? No.
Wrong and dapper. You know what it's too old for
this is fault 'cause he just he just commented this maybe just
starter is what he wrote. And I read that as I was saying
that fine, it's it's the terrorist himself.

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Matt Ozark. Oh my gosh, yeah.
So I think that's my only wonderis about the above average
thing. So here's kind of what I was
trying to differentiate is like,let's say you know, Malik Heath
or Beau Melton, right? Versus like I'm I'm trying to

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differentiate. I feel like for B Heath and
Melton would be in the Jag category.
But like there's a gap between those guys and say, trying to
trying to pick which wide receiver to put in reliable
starter without like offending somebody like Romeo Dobbs.

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Like, like would you put Romeo Dobbs under?
Excellent. No.
OK, so you. Put him under reliable starter,
but like, there's a significant gap between Romeo Dobbs and,
say, Malik Heath. Yes, right.
I just wouldn't I? Yeah, I think so, but I just
wouldn't like put I'm trying to figure.
Out what about the difference between like I'm trying to Sims

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and and like? See, like, so if I were to go
down, I just to just do like if you want to do receivers just
just as a thing, I actually don't know who I'd put an
excellent at this point in the receiver room.

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I feel like there's a bunch of reliable starters.
I don't know what I'd do with above average to be honest.
And I would put like guys in thered or purple.
Like that's what I'm trying to like figure out who I'm putting
in above average because I'm trying to qualify above average
relative to kind of the other spots.

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I don't know if like potential breakout upside, something like
that or yeah, I'm trying to think of what orange should be
if yellow stays as reliable starter because I I, because I
want to make sure because I'm trying to think like who I'm
putting in there. I'm like, oh that's above
average player that wouldn't be a reliable starter.

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Yeah. That's that's where I'm
struggling. With that, maybe reliable
starter is what's not named properly.
Maybe, yeah, maybe a reliable starter needs like a little more
juice to the name perhaps. So maybe another way to think
about this is like, you know, stacking up against the rest of
the league. So, you know, if you if you are,

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there's a difference between when you're just going up
against like, OK, you know, thisis their starting right guard.
He's nothing special, but he's, you know, started their last
thirty games versus OK, they arestarting a guy who this is like
his second game ever and his first game kind of went OK, but

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you're certainly thinking this is maybe a spot to pick on it,
you know, or you know, he's. He's been around, has lost his
job before. Now he's got a questionable
starter, something like that versus volatile like I think it,
I think it'd be good to have something I think orange and

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yellow having similar names so that they're like, I think like
they're they're worded better relative to one another.
I think is the way to this. This isn't bad either.
Borderline starters, not bad. This red tier should definitely

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be viewed as like if this guy isstarting for you, you are in
trouble versus this purple tier is he should not be on your
roster. He he is not an NFL football
player. Like there is a big difference
between those two of this is a guy.
If if he's starting for you in this game, that's a problem, but

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he is worth like keeping around and developing.
You know, and, and I'm, I'm kindof thinking like maybe this is.
Like unstable starter perhaps? Yeah, 'cause like, 'cause like
for. Me project people are that.
Could work like 'cause like I know people are starting to like

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think about like who's who's in above average And like when I
think of like, like if you were to say who's average at receiver
on this team right now, like who's the average receiver for
me that would be Malik Heath. I would not put Malik Heath in
above average because if I'm thinking about even the roster

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and also relative to the league,I just don't I don't see him as
above average. He hasn't played enough.
He hasn't showed me that much towhere I'm like, Oh my gosh, like
yes, he's he's quite above average.
OK, I like this I'm. Changing developmental into
developing because it'll fit. So like I would just that I

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would just put, I think Jags should just be average then.
OK, we can do. Average.
I think that. I think that.
And, and maybe we'll rename it as we go along.
The the purple tier is importantbecause there's some people who
we specifically want to insult. All right, Like there's some
people deserve to be put in there.

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Yeah. But here's what's making me
nervous about this These currentnames, right?
Is that for Red? I could see with it being like
named as this that we could be tempted to put a guy in there
who is still a work in progress.But in the meantime, you can

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still play him. And I don't think that's what
Red is supposed to be. Red is like, you shouldn't play
him right now, but you think he might turn that.
Would be developing that would be.
A This is maybe like what Caleb Jones was for a long time, or
what Yash Naiman was for. The first two or three years
ago, that's year away from beinga year away.

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Yeah, for sure, 'cause if the guy's only a year away and then
you're starting him like there'sa chance that now is his, like,
this is his breakout moment, right?
And this is his welcome to the NFL game, right?
And this is a tier for not that,whereas purple is.

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He's never going to be this. And what Brian Goodkin?
Why is he still on our team, right?
So I I will say. QB says QB is Donovan Jettings,
which I think is probably accurate, although I'm tempted
to maybe slot Jennings like halfway between red and orange.
So people have done this with the QBs a lot, right?

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And it's kind of like, OK, if I haven't seen enough yet, you're
going in like AI don't know, like kind of that developmental
tier where like, you know, BryceYoung was in there even after a
bad rookie season, where it's like, OK, we need to see and
figure that out. McCarthy would kind of be in
there right now, right? Like of of that tier, who have
we not seen enough of? Michael Pannix would also go in

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there right as well. So so you have those players who
you don't know yet upside developmental project.
Now I I found one that clusters the power for starters in
college and they have next star.Smaller sample but flashes of
brilliance. Great rushers, better passing,

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needed sleepers. Need to see more long shots,
lower rated vets or and then freshman.
Not enough snaps. Those are fun tiers.
I like those, so that's interesting.
By the way, if the chat wants torename any of these tiers to
like a more fun name that kind of still summarizes what the

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tier is like, drop your name suggestions and chat, we'll
definitely do. It now hold on.
I think you can rank guys in thedraft and also understand that
things can definitely change. Things change for Josh Allen
right, very quickly right in year 3.

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So yes, I, I think you could have maybe after your one put
Bryce Young in the no, he's, he's bad here and then he moves
up. So that's that's fine.
But again, there is a reason forguys like McCarthy where it's
like, well, then you're just banking on your pre draft thing,
right? And so and panics and all that.

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You can still have a take. But then also as things are
going on in the league, I think you can you can kind of adjust
so. Well this says we need a
separate tier called Reggie White above All Pro.
Here's my question to you. Who besides Katan Oladapa would
we even put in that tier? Tucker Craft.

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Yeah, Tucker Craft, Carl Brooks,2025 Tay Wicks, you know, but
the problem is like we, you know, he hasn't gotten here yet.
Like we still have 24. Tay Wicks.
Here for sure. Damn Whelan.
Ayers. Ayers is asking.
Did we just get started? Yes, we did.
Yeah, kind of essentially it's 33 minutes in and we've we have

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not put a player on the board yet, which is.
That's fine because I don't haveto go early tonight.
We can, we can do this justice. So let's let's we're I I, I made
a little, you know, names for everybody on here because I was
doing pictures and then I realized a lot of these people,

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we have no idea what they look like.
All right, like I'm I. Couldn't tell you what Tyler
Cooper looks like right now. No idea.
I'm going to be honest, I don't.Know JJ Lippy?
Nope. Tyler Lippy or JJ Lippy I at
least have heard of. I've heard of.
But I've I can't see I I can't picture him, that's for sure.

(34:16):
So I think the. I think the cleanest way to do
this is probably. Bipolar ends.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
Polar ends. Oh, you're thinking
alphabetically. Oh, I mean just like we know who
the fry cooks are and we know who like top of the line you
guys are. It I.

(34:37):
I'm fine with doing. Positions.
Wouldn't it be more fun to just like, sprinkle the fry cooks in
once in a while when we get to the?
That sounds good. Let's do position.
I like that. OK.
I tend to like to start everything with quarterback.
Are you OK with doing that? Yeah, absolutely.
Let's let's grab our Canadian. See the other guy.

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Where's the man? Taylor Algurzma.
I still don't know how to pronounce his name.
And I think very clearly he's got to be right here.
Yes. I mean, for starters, we still
have to teach him English, all right?
Right now he just speaks Canadian, so he's got to figure
out where the bathroom is. He has to learn English.
Oh man, we got to finish paying our tariff.
Paying, Yeah. I was going to say, are we

(35:20):
paying monthly on that tariff bill or like how is this going?
Well, you're supposed to pay it in, you know, all at once we
didn't have any Canadian money. Oh, so, oh, so we had to go
through the channels for that you.
Know that we we would be paying that in English actually, or in
American. Wow, I I'm just an idiot
tonight. Words are in gold.

(35:41):
I don't know. OK, where's our other?
So all right, we got Malik Heath.
Who's the other, like, depth QB?Oh, Sean Clifford.
Fry. Cook, Sean.
Clifford I Fry, very sorry, don't think we can put him any
higher than red. I don't it feels mean to put him

(36:03):
in purple 'cause he holds the clipboard pretty.
Well yeah, he's 26. Feels very fry cookie to me.
We should have put like UFL on here.
UFL. Oh we could, we could, but do we
want to be fry cook or or UFL? Either way, I think there's some

(36:27):
more things we could leave at fry cook.
To me, he's probably fry cook. This says for Taylor algorithm,
speaking English just requires something to drop the A at the
end of each word. He's working on it.
It is harder than you think to quit saying the A at the
inverted word. OK, where are we going with the?
Well, I'm, I'm realizing that like if we're putting Taylor

(36:51):
Elgars on here, like that means that we're putting like freaking
everybody on here and like, do we actually want to do all, no,
you know, 90 players. No.
I think this has to be should. Go on there.
Guys who the Packers think Elgars will play any amount of
we can leave him on here, but going forward like take the red

(37:14):
dog off, think Cornelius Johnsonon here unless you make some
compelling. Argument.
Oh no, I'm not. Put Cornelius Johnson is gonna
make the 53. Maybe that's what it is.
Is that Cornelius Johnson is wide receiver Caleb.
Jones. For sure.
We think the Packers think that this guy is gonna be, yeah,
potentially on a 53 because, youknow, like the Packers don't

(37:35):
think Cornelius Johnson's out there, right?
Like maybe something crazy happens in training camp and
sure enough he ends up being wide receiver 6.
They have to trade two players for this to go on and not want
like Melton on the team to get like starting but.
With Malik, I don't. Think we can do that?

(37:57):
Here's the question with Malik. With Malik, do we rank him as a,
do we grade him as a backup or as a starter?
Because like as a backup, I mean, he's.
At least we can't do yellow. No, we got us to as a starter, I
think. I think everybody.
Has speed. Here's the question.

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Like by definition, has he been a reliable starter for us?
He started a lot of games for usalready.
Here's my problem. By definition is he reliable
starter? When I see when other guys are
going into this tier, I well, I guess I don't know about you all
pro tier for me, I feel like there's going to be at least in

(38:38):
my opinion, there's very few if any to me are.
Going to be there I I got. Two OK and so like with you know
I and I think a couple in there I don't know I don't know how
many you have an excellent I'm like thinking it's.
Pretty decent handful. Like a handful.
I feel like is is a good and then the reliable starters are

(39:01):
going to have like players on there who I feel like have shown
a lot more than Malik Willis, tome at least.
That's why I just can't put him there.
Basically, if Jordan is done forthe season, you don't think to
yourself we got a reliable starter, Malik, you think?

(39:22):
He's fine. Oh gosh, this is this is going
to be a long season. I'm not sure how many games
we'll win. You're expecting better than we
got from Hundley for sure, but not.
Not enough. Not enough.
You're not thinking playoffs anymore.
You're thinking. I'm thinking.

(39:44):
You're thinking. Can.
We can. We get Caleb down.
That's what I'm thinking. I mean, I would be tempted to
try and start Sean Clifford so we can get Jeremiah Smith.
Well, that's that's that's in the long term plans.
Yeah, yeah, that's supposed to be revealing those that's in a

(40:04):
that's in a private group chat that was not supposed to be
leaked by anybody. OK.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
So I I know where I want to put Jordan Love.
OK. I want to this.
He's one of my 2 all pro. Where do you want to put them?
I'm assuming you want it in green or.

(40:24):
Probably probably green. I think he like toes The line
between green and yellow to me. All pro all pro to me.
You're just like really silly 4 QBs.
MVP. All Pro to me would be if I were
putting like all the QBs on here, All Pro would have four
guys. That's it.

(40:45):
No more, no less. There'd be 4 guys on there.
But Jordan is the all pro. For me all pro means elite and
elite is the upper quartile of the upper quartile or upper half
of the upper quartile. One of the two.
So for Q BS I would have four inthe entire league up in the all
pro. And then probably there aren't

(41:06):
even 2 in each conference necessarily.
There's just two in the entire league.
I know Adam's asking about how many all pros there are.
I guess it also depends on position too, right?
Receiver will have a few more spots but I would not put him in
blue. How many how many quarterbacks
do you have ahead of Jordan Lovein the NFL?

(41:27):
Price 7 at least I would say. Really.
Yep, for sure, no question. Because I have Holmes and Allen,
obviously, although Allen is he,he's up and down at times, I
mean. I don't know, I feel like he has

(41:54):
other than the turnover. He plays like it's it's elite,
elite Jordan Jordan. I will say what Jordan has done
in like EPA per play and then obviously the the sack
avoidance, right, the pressure sack like really good numbers
for him. They're really good, but.

(42:16):
So the the third QBI would have ahead of Jordan is Lamar and the
only other guy in any consideration for me is gonna
sound silly, but it's just due to the just consistency and it's

(42:38):
Baker, but I don't think I put him ahead of Jordan.
It's like he's he's like neck and neck for me of Jordan.
OK. And there there's not anybody.
I don't. I don't have anybody else who's
in that conversation. Gotcha.
Do you have guys like Jared Goffahead of Jordan Love?

(42:58):
Yeah, that's the tight 1. And I remember we did the NFC
Northwest and we kind of talked through that one.
That's a tight one. I think 8 through 12 could all
be kind of. You could probably rotate them
around for me. Burrow, if he could stay healthy

(43:22):
and like he had a bad year last year, but from a talent
perspective, he's certainly, he's certainly definitely in the
same tier as Jordan. I Jordan, I think, has just been
much more consistent than Burrowover these these past two
seasons. But I'm not I I certainly would

(43:44):
not have any problem with somebody ranking Burrow ahead of
love that that would not offend me in the slightest.
Gotcha. Would you have Hertz ahead of
Jordan? No.
So. So who you got then?
We're not. We're not doing this.
We're going to be here for five hours.
We got to get to the rest of these guys.
Yeah, but this is. QB one what?

(44:05):
What if we agreed not to do thisat any other position except for
except for QB? I feel like, I feel like we're
turning into all of the other talk shows to rank quarterbacks.
Fine, fine. Just I'll, I'll let you chicken
out of this one. All right, you heard it.
You heard it from me. I got Jordan as QB four in the
NFL behind, you'll note, 3 guys who happened to have won MVP.

(44:30):
So who's that? All right, so that's
quarterback. I moved Sean Clifford down to
fry cook because I I just realized that we can't not have
him in fry cook. You hold a good clipboard, but I
can't let you. You can't go out in the field.
All right. By definite.
I agree. I agree.
And like, do I have any expectations of Taylor El

(44:52):
Grisma? I mean, no, not until he learns
English. But no, no.
Do I mind? But it's all for.
Him to put on there. I don't mind developing him.
Do I want him to make the 53? Heck no.
Are you OK with doing running back next?
Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's do it.

(45:13):
Let's let's grab where? Where's Marshawn and Marshawn?
Oh, here we go. So I where do we want to put
Marshawn? We've seen zilch.
There from him probably there he.
Belongs in red right now. I think so.

(45:34):
Makes me want to take Taylor. Yeah, that's fine.
I think you can. You could probably take Clifford
off too if you feel like you. Clipper's not making the 53.
Yeah, we'll just take him off. There's there's a.
Lot of these three guys are all making the 53, and the Packers
should expect them. Correct.
That's what we should do. You can put them on there right

(45:54):
and be like they're this, but they're not making 53 and then
just pull them off. I I think that works.
I think that's a good way to do it.
I. Like that?
OK, Emmanuel Wilson. Yeah, feel like average spot.
Yeah, I feel like that's a good spot for him.
I think it's Do you expect? To think 53 this year.

(46:15):
Yes. And I think the other thing to
mention is that I think we have expectations that Lloyd will
jump Wilson should we do these rankings next year, right.
I think that is you put them in the development project, but
then you know, like Adam says, Ithink you could also have a take
of like I kind of expect Lloyd to to jump ahead, right.

(46:35):
So you know. Well, and, and it's not even
it's yes, it's expectation, but it's also like hand in hand with
expectation is if you don't achieve this, do we consider it
a disappointment? If Marshawn Lloyd can't jump
Emmanuel Wilson? Is there anybody out there who
would say that that's not a disappointing season for Lloyd?

(46:57):
No, right. He's a third round pick.
Right, 100%. So I would put Josh Jacobs in
excellent. Do you agree with having him
that high? Yes, I think that's a good spot
for him yes, OK, I think he has clearly shown it.
I think he showed that 2023 was kind of a like this is my

(47:17):
holdout. Didn't you know, ramp up, you
know, with the team to start with and kind of had a sluggish
year team wasn't as good as the year before type of thing where
it was like, OK, no, he he foundmaybe not quite the 2020 to him.
But again, as we kind of, I remember talking about like if
he found like we talked about like 8085% of that, like we were
going to be really thrilled withit.

(47:39):
And I think you did find that. Yeah, absolutely.
Yep. Like we there, there was no, you
know, before last season started, we were having a lot of
conversations about, hey, this is a nice flexible deal where
it's really a one year deal thathas three team option years.

(48:00):
And if the season goes well, we are more than happy to pick
those option years up essentially.
Yep. And at the end of the season, I
mean, halfway through the season, there was no question at
all. Hey, the the signing has worked
out and we want to pick up thoseyears, right?
Yep, no question at all. None 100%, but tight end.

(48:22):
So I think there's only three tight ends we actually want to
rank on here. Would you agree with that?
Yep. Or do you want to do more?
I don't. I don't think we have to do
more. Maybe if the chat talks us into
it, certainly. But.

(48:42):
It would be nice to keep more than three tight ends this year
because the Packers like keepingfour and the last couple years
they have not had four quality tight ends to keep.
Yeah. So Ben Sims, we put him in
average. Yeah, I think so.
If Ben Sims is starting a game for you, are you nervous?

(49:07):
Like if if if Kraft is out and Musgrave is Musgraving and you
know you got to lean on Sims forthe whole game.
What I will say is I have no problem leaning on him as an
inline player, right, as a replacement.
Where I would struggle to be, you know, confident is him

(49:27):
providing the value in the passing game that I think we all
believe Tucker Kraft can do, right.
And so that's where I wouldn't put him any higher.
It's like, yes, I think he can take care of some things, but I
don't think he is the, you know,going to do enough to be like,
oh, yeah, he can. He can do enough to replace what
what I think Kraft's provides you.

(49:51):
So you want Ben Sims in average then?
Yeah, I think that's fine, especially who if we have like
Willis there and Wilson, I feel like that's a fine spot to to
have him. So this is going to be an
interesting one. Luke Musgrave.
Where do we, where do we put him?
Because you are like as close tobeing completely out on Musgrave

(50:13):
as it's possible to be without putting him in a fried cook.
I feel like correct. I think we're like, you know,
reaching like maroon levels right now, red between red and
purple. This kind of like for me, it's
like, boy, I don't. It's just it's.
Just I don't. I don't know what we're going to

(50:33):
get other than what I think we have like kind of talked about
like what he can do. So I just don't I again, I think
like if you're putting differentexpectations for him on on what
he does as a tight end, like in this day and age of like, you

(50:57):
know, there's some guys tight end universities kicking off and
some people are like, why is Dalton Kincaid not there?
And it's like, well, he hasn't really learned how to play tight
end. He's a big receiver.
And some people, Panthers fans going like, man, why is tremble
there, yada, yada. And Jatavian Sanders isn't
there. Well, Jatavian Sanders is a big
receiver. Why is Harold Fannon not there?

(51:18):
Well, Harold Fan's a big receiver.
Like I feel like you have to do both now.
And, and I can't wait because I know there's people hyping up
the tight end class for next year.
Can't wait to go in and see themonly playing receiver and go,
well, what am I supposed to do here?
You can hype them all you want in college.
You want to play a real tight end, you better block.

(51:41):
So I don't know we're going to do here.
Like I, I get it. The injuries have hurt, but like
I, I just feel like he's a seam stretcher who I don't think is
necessarily, I don't have the confidence he's going to figure
out the other part of playing the position.
So that's that's where I'm at personally.

(52:04):
I mean, we, we have gotten more out of Luke Musgrave already in
the NFL than I thought we would.I I didn't like him as a
prospect. Even a little bit.
But he's also kind of just been exactly who he was in college,
which is like misses a lot of time, inconsistent, occasionally
has a game or two where he just pops off and you go, oh, was

(52:28):
that all schemed or is he going to be able to keep contributing?
Yeah. Ayers says Wesgrave has shown he
can block if it's not power edges and he can win down field.
He has movement as a route runner too.
I I disagree that he has movement as a route runner.

(52:48):
I think he is one of the stiffest players in the league.
Like I just don't feel like you can ask him to turn very well,
even for a tight end, which is something I I feel like he has
one gear and it's run straight so.

(53:09):
We got to decide where we want to put 2.
With that, I think he's going toget there.
I think he's going to get there even if people don't think he's
there yet. So yeah, I'm, I'm fully in.
We're putting him in in the excellent tier with Josh Jacobs.
I mean, here's here is if you want.
Are you relying him in starter? Well, here's here's an argument

(53:31):
for putting them in all pro. I'm just going to make the
argument there are just not any good tight ends in the NFL.
I don't. Know that I.
Know what I mean? Disagree on this, which is fine.
I mean, the NFC has some good ones.
You got San Laporta right in ourbackyard.
For sure. But there on a year to year

(53:56):
basis there there have been. Let's just say when you look at
all the NFL teams, there's a lotmore have nots than haves when
it comes to tight ends. Yeah, you're doing pretty good
if you got one good tight end inyour roster in the NFL.
These days. So you want to put him in in

(54:16):
yellow for a reliable starter Tucker craft?
I I think you can. I think you can say he's a
reliable starter. I have no problem putting him in
excellent either because I thinkhe's going to get there so.
I'm I definitely want him in excellent.
I think he's gonna especially especially grading him on the
curve of Packers tight ends who are, well, never any good.

(54:40):
Yeah, I mean, he is easily the best tight end we've had in a
decade. It's not close.
Like there's only like excludingMercedes Lewis, but Mercedes
Lewis was so 1 dimensional. Yeah, for sure.
No, I I think like even right now, is he tight end five in the

(55:03):
league? Yeah, probably.
That's what I'm saying. He's probably tight end 5 right
now in the league. I think I'm I.
I so ahead of of him you have Laporta.
I don't have Laporta at 1:00, but I have Laporta probably
second. Who's your one?

(55:25):
Kittle for sure. There's no question you got
Kelsey in your top five. No, OK, so who, who's your,
who's your four ahead of craft then?
I think it's, I think just again, production wise it's and
again, one of them you could argue doesn't play tight end
totally. He's playing big receiver, but

(55:45):
he's he's just different. Probably Kittle LaPorte of
Bowers and McBride. Those are the four.
And then I think again, Kelsey, I think it's just, I think he's,
I, I think we've kind of seen what's been going on over there
for sure. I want to, I want to commend you
on your restraint because I knowyou really wanted to put
Loveland in there already. Yes, Oh, of course.

(56:07):
Well, Loveland will be joining the party, don't you worry.
I'm very worried I I hate the bears.
I know I, I, it's annoying. Hawkinson's fine.
I don't think I, I think Kraft is if he had if, if people are
saying he's ahead, that's fine. Based on prior history.
I think Kraft passes in this year anyway, so I'm going to get
even ahead of that curve. Andrews, I think is fine as

(56:30):
well. I think you could maybe still
again make that argument cause of past.
Much does he have left the tanksthough?
That's that's again the questionwith him.
I'm excited to see what happens with Isaiah likely this year
perhaps if Andrews is going to kind of continue that downward
swing to see what likely is going to do in Baltimore seems
very exciting. Can't wait to see how that goes.

(56:52):
Goddard is fine as well. Not great, but fine.
Trying to think who else I Evan Ingram is also fine.
Yeah, I just want you to notice that I, I baited Jake into
giving us all of his tight ends.He's happy to talk about tight
ends, not quarterbacks. He's not going to be
quarterbacks, but everybody talks about.
Q BS It's way more fun to do this.

(57:16):
I'm trying to think else obviously the two rooks.
Am I missing anybody, JJ? I, I couldn't believe he put
Evan Ingram on there. I mean, it's 2025.
I mean, continues to catch a totof passes.
And Joku, there's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I knew I was missing somebody. Yeah, Joku's decent, I think.

(57:37):
I think Friarmuth actually mighthave a decent year with Rogers
thrown into the ball. Just feel like there's not a lot
of other options. Oh, I love him.
Have a a very nice year up there.
I'm trying to think who else I'mI'm missing.
There's a big obvious one we're missing, but I can't think who
it is. I mean, like, I don't think I'm

(58:00):
missing like Otten in Tampa Bay,like he's fine, but I'm trying
to think, no, I mean ertz was init's in Washington, but you
know, that's kind of like, you know, the ghost of ertz a little
bit. This division's got this
division's good. Like we're we're, you know, like
Hawkinson's still fine and is doing stuff after the injury,

(58:21):
right. And then you got.
As long as Loveland actually plays well then all four N teams
have a decent tight end, which Idon't.
I I would guarantee there's not another division that has one.
On each team. Now if Loveland does not pop
off. The Chargers.
Like Cole command is not it. Don't command me with Cole
command. No.

(58:42):
The Chargers have somebody. They sign someone.
I feel like they sign somebody. But even then, even then it's
Bowers, Kelsey Ingram and whoever the heck the Chargers
have. I feel like they brought
somebody in, but I could be mistaken.
Anyway, even then though, oh, Jake Ferguson's not bad in

(59:02):
Dallas as well. That's a good shout from Adam
there. We got Jonnu, we got Hunter.
Jonnu, yeah, Hunter Henry probably gets overlooked.
I know who you forgot is Mike Gazicki.
That's yeah, that's a big receiver.
You talk about Dalton Schultz. That boy played big receiver.

(59:24):
Does he play tight end? But I guess you could make that
kind of argument about in Joku Ingram.
Yeah. And Bowers.
So yeah, but like, I think like.The Chargers have Will Disley,
by the way. Disley, Big Montana, Yes, Yeah,

(59:45):
I think that's it. I think that's what I'm thinking
of. Gadsden went to the Chargers.
Yeah, that's fun. We like that though.
Do you like Tyler Higbee? Can I, can I backtrack on
something really quick? I think I would actually put
love at seven. Sorry, I know I said not in the
top seven. I think it would put him at
7:00. We don't care because you're not
giving us your top six. We don't care what you're.

(01:00:06):
I'll give you the top 6, but I Ilike the tight end discussion
way better. Now you will.
Anyway, who's your top 6? Let's see here.
The five AFC guys, the classics,the Mahomes, Alan Jackson,
Herbert, Burrow and then stafferwould be my 6th.

(01:00:28):
I was trying to think of who the7th would be and then I I
couldn't come up with it becauseI think Brock is still in that
weird thing with love tier of like.
Could be sometimes, couldn't be.I love Herbert, but I'm not
putting him ahead of life, not even close.
And I'm also not Stafford, not that's fine.
Not in the year of our Lord 2025.

(01:00:49):
Totally fine. OK, let's do wide receiver.
Totally fine. Guess what?
I am so feast on it. See, all right, wide receiver.
All right, let's let's start with Savion here because he's

(01:01:11):
going to be making the 53. Development project.
Nearly developing project. No disagreement there.
Matthew Golden, Where are we? Where?
Are we? Oh.
OK. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. You got to put him on average.
I don't think like there might be some development track there,
but. Well, hold on, give us a bold

(01:01:32):
take. Like, where do you think he's
actually going to end up? Like, let's yellow.
Fast forward your mind to Week 9.
Is he a reliable starter caliber?
Yep. OK, let's put him there.
He doesn't have to prove himselffor us to rank him where we
think he's going to end up. I like it.
Because to me, I know you're putting you're putting Kraft in
excellent. And I said I think he will be

(01:01:54):
there by season's end. So yeah, that's fine.
We'll put Golden in the reliablestarter by season's end.
I think that makes sense. And this is about where I think
Matthew Golden is going to wind up as well.
You know, why does he have to play as a rookie?
You know, now that he's a Packer, we have to expect him to

(01:02:14):
be awful next year, in 2020. 6 he'll be Yeah, that's that's
gonna. Be pre I'm promising in 2025,
awful in 2026 and then hopefullybreak out in 2027 right.
Isn't that the past that the Packers?
Why does your people. Know it.
Adams did that though, sort of. I feel like it may be his was a
little longer on the downswing, but like as a rookie, big plays

(01:02:34):
in the Patriot game, big plays in the Dallas game, right?
Like was making big plays in those big moments like, hey,
third and 15. I'm running a dig route, you
know, against Dallas in the playoff game, Rogers is zipping
1 to me. I'm scoring right like so I
could see it. Two over this, I know this is
hard to read. I got that was Matthew Golden,

(01:02:57):
who we just put in a reliable starter and then we put Savion
Williams in developing project. He said, who is that?
And I, I thought of what is that?
When he said that, When who saidthat?
What's what's that from? Oh no.
Oh my gosh. There's a lot of lot of things

(01:03:19):
that people say. What is that?
And. I know.
Oh man, it's oh gosh. Well, we'll have to.
I'll have to find that by. You're going to have to now.
I know, all right. Romeo Dobbs, certainly reliable
starter. Can we put him higher than that?
I mean cause the the. Problem.

(01:03:40):
But the problem is like the excellent version of Dobbs shows
up like 3 * a year. That's the year he's reliable.
Starter for sure. Worth.
Paying. Oh, I can't wait to see the next
one for you. Unless you're going to.
Watson, I hadn't decided which guy to go with.

(01:04:01):
Honestly, it's just going to be whichever wide receiver's name
jumps out of Fine, yeah, here's Christian Watson.
Watson, I'm putting that I put areliable starter after the 2024
season, you know he. I think that's totally fair.
For last starter. Yep.
Where do the other two go? So where is Taywix?
Here's Taywix. I'm going to put him in average,

(01:04:26):
but it's the hands. Fix them.
Fix the hands. Here, here's the thing.
You know, and we've talked aboutthis, we talk about this every
single week. Fix them hands.
Like the the volatility is is crazy like Wix could.

(01:04:47):
So easily be an all pro. If he just caught every ball to
him in the hands he'd be a ball pro.
The the unstable compound tier, he's in it.
OK. See, Wix is Wix is the guy, and
there's another guy in here as well.
But Wix more than anybody else was the guy who made me think,
do we need a custom tier unstable compound?

(01:05:12):
We can make an unstable I insideof you.
There are two Syracuses. Yeah, exactly, exactly the
compound. That man is unstable.

(01:05:34):
I don't somebody in the chat come up with a good name for
this tier. So this is like enriched
uranium, it's like volatility. The unstable compound, we're
really optimistic. The unstable compound for sure.
It's like it's like breakout year.
All right, something like that question mark.

(01:05:59):
Yeah. Yeah, break up time.
We're going to put this here andthen I got to figure out is.
Anybody. Else I don't know where I want
to put this though. Just put it under average I
guess. We put it right here.
I think so that's fine. I I feel like there's more like.

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Maybe we put it down here at thebottom and we just kind of like
have an understanding that this is actually it's it's own new
thing. It's not worse than a fry cook.
It's like list 2 what do you think?
2 old. Alternatively, we could put.
This and I are on the same page all night.
In here. So you was typing Rich Geranium
As I said it, it's topical, it'sperfect.

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It's very topical. Yeah, I don't mind that.
I feel like reliable. I feel like in between reliable,
starting average is probably a fine place to put it.
Oh, no. First we showed a preview, and

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now we're doing that. Truly, truly.
You can read that two different ways.
Hands are off. By the way, with Wix, the hands
are off. True, that's true.
So, you know, there's a couple things going on there.
I think enriched uranium is hilarious.

(01:07:26):
And since two people were thinking it, you definitely
should put that Oppenheimer. The chemical formula for for
enriched uranium is U F6 uraniumhexafluoride.
I think you should put Oppenheimer.

(01:07:48):
Whoa, what? In the world I didn't know you
could change the color by pasting in other.
What? Wow, that's pretty sick.
Oh yes, no, and it's it's it's green too.
For a biohazard. That's perfect.
That's what we like to see radioactive.

(01:08:11):
There it is perfect. All right.
Love this about to be yes. OK, add a screenshot.
Oh man, add a screenshot with enriched uranium with Wix.
Yes, make for a great tweet. The unstable compound himself

(01:08:37):
miss. How's that Sturte Wix?
That looks right. That looks perfect.
I don't know why it's left aligned.
I can't, no. Idea that could be fixed in the
settings, baby. All right, let's get to the guy.
We've all been waiting for it. Where is he, JJ?
I'm drawing a freaking blanket. Where's?
Jayden Reed, JJ Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:08:57):
Where's Jayden Reed going to be?Right next to the Venmo.
Oh, right next to JJ Lippy. There it.
Is Here's the thing, Venmo is onwhat you guys are seeing on my
screen. It's just my browser window.
Oh, that's right. OK, so I'm putting.
Enriched uranium baby. Enriched uranium you have to.

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Enriched uranium. This is great.
You have to. Here's the thing.
Is Watson also enriched uranium though a little bit?
No, no, he's not. He's a little bit, a little bit.
A little bit. Not, not completely these two
though you talk about, you're talking about unstable.

(01:09:41):
It's funny that. We've put we've put Dobbs in
reliable starter. He dropped the same amount of
passes as both these guys last year.
He did make more big plays, though.
Yeah, that's why you can't just watch the box scores.
Jayden Reid through five weeks was not in this category.

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This season, this is where he's gonna wind up.
He. Was not in that category last
season through five weeks we would not have put him there
through 5 weeks and then there was a there was a fallout OK all
right there was a fallout there was a serious issue after that
right so like yeah I know yeah Watson can't catch so there is

(01:10:26):
that that has gone away now the full route tree thing blah blah
blah but maybe he's never going to be that right and that's not
the role Dobbs doing that no no no no we got to leave enriched
uranium I'm. Just telling you, look, this is
the. Nuclear fallout.
No, no. Watson's fine.
He didn't. He didn't drop the ball.
This is the Oh, the. Oh, yes, of course.
Well, no, no, I Watson caught the ball.

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Watson caught the ball. He's fine.
We're good. No?
Like this is where I'm expecting.
I'm just saying this is where I'm expecting Reid to end up.
I I'm not, but like I, I get it.I get it.
Wix is either gonna be in like you know, we're he's gonna be.

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He could be. Blue to red.
Or he's gonna be off the team. Like he's gonna be like here,
like halfway between these or off the team.
Blue-green to red, Blue-green tored.
OK, here's the thing for excellent.
I can't pin that on the screen, but.
Here's the thing. Here's the thing about excellent
so far. Now Jaden Reed's going in there,

(01:11:33):
maybe gets rid of that, but excellent to me, like right now
we talked about this. Where's Jacobs on your running
back list, JJ? If you had to put running back
ranks together, like tops singledigits for sure, no question.
Single digits, yeah, probably upper half of like he's not

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going to be like 7th. He'll be higher than like 7th.
He'll probably be 6 or higher. I would say so.
That's what I mean. So he's way up on the list and
Kraft is way up on the list. So if somebody goes in the
excellent if you're looking at it relative to the league,
that's somebody who should be like, you know, way up there on
the, you know, on the list of like if.
You're and this is the thing, Jaden Reed through the 1st like

(01:12:14):
5 weeks he was like, was there one in the NFL?
And then he fell off a Cliff andand like.
Probably wouldn't be the top 60.4 By the end of the year, I
would say no. No, not by the end of the year.
I don't know if he he was a top 2 for me or anything like that
but like 6-7 I feel like. No, I'm just saying through the
first he was there, he was leading the NFL in like all

(01:12:38):
major statistics through the 1st5 weeks and then like week 7
happened. Yeah.
And that was it for him, Yeah. You say Chernobyl.
Yeah. We got to keep, We got to keep.
Hey Jake, have you been, have you been monitoring the

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situation as a little registeredtrademark this week?
Have I been monitoring the situation?
Yeah. Like I've been all these people.
A lot of guys. I haven't been in the Situation
Room, but certainly. Capitalize, you know, like idle
case monitoring the situation toa registered trademark.
Have you been one of those? Yeah, I've been one of those.

(01:13:23):
For sure for. Sure, OK.
For sure. Air says All Pro is basically
the top 3 or 4 at your position.Agree.
Excellent will be top 20 to 25. No, I would say that's 12.
I would say 1212, yeah. That feels right to.
Me 12 is probably good if you'releaving at all Pro at 4:00.

(01:13:44):
I think Excellent needs to be top 12.
I would say you need to be top 5or 6 in your conference at a
minimum. Which I think, yeah, puts you
12/10/12, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And I just, I would not put Reed
there. I would, I can't put any of the
receivers there. I've no problem.

(01:14:07):
Again, I would have all three ofthe the guys above enriched
uranium in the excellent, but I get why you're putting Jordan in
the All Pro totally fine. Wait, wait.
Say that again. I you, you said all three of the
guys above enriched uranium, you'd have them in Excellent.
What does that mean? Yeah, I I was.
Just remember I said I would putJordan in the green, not the
blue. Oh, right, right, right.

(01:14:28):
Yeah. And I.
That's that's where I wouldn't have them right.
You're that's fine. And I'm just saying like, but
again, I would I again, I have Jordan at 7, craft at 5 and like
Jacob's probably at 6-7 as well.So like they're all in that area
where it's like they're not likefor me at least the elite of
elite, but they're extremely good.
They're in the upper echelons, right?

(01:14:50):
Like that's where they belong. So that's where I feel like
excellent comes into play. And there's gonna be a ton of
reliable starters. I think of this list, especially
if Reid's joining the the cast and characters there.
This certainly does depend on position. 2025 guy, just a
reliable starter. I, I would say you can with the
exception of there's some positions where we kind of lump

(01:15:11):
them together a little bit. So like I would say just double
that number for guard, right? Say Top 40 to 50.
Guard see like you could have like reliable starter, which is
I think totally fine saying liketop 32 and then you have quality
starter which is a little higherand then you get to excellent

(01:15:32):
like I could definitely see likethat being the scale of this
sort of. But I do like our two guys going
into going into what is this forthat this will be year three,
yeah, for enriched geranium, so.We have to keep talking about
Reed cause here. Here's the problem.
We've. We've do you agree?
With Reed compilation this offseason, there's so much

(01:15:53):
content there. Do you agree with my premise
that Dantavian Wix's ceiling is like astronomically higher than
Jaden Reid's ceiling? Like if both of those maxed out
what they could maxed out what they could.
Absolutely be that even though Reid is much more likely to hit

(01:16:16):
his ceiling. He's got the high.
Probability is like different stratosphere.
For sure. 'Cause Wix is ceiling.
Not to mention, well, I still think Watson's is a little bit,
but also but golden. But do you think Watson has that
in him though to like to be thattop tier route runner?

(01:16:37):
Not the route runner. It would have to be the again
the elite 2. Like tips, Like elite twos.
Devante Adams, despite not having the athleticism of, you
know, Jamar Chase or, you know, Tyree kill very different types
of wide receivers, but like at at any Malik.

(01:16:58):
Yeah, sure. Point being guys who like
indisputably at some point in their career were the best wide
receiver in the NFL, right? And Devante Adams never had
those physical traits, but he certainly was the best wide
receiver in the NFL at points inhis career, and Wix clearly has

(01:17:18):
that. Some of that for sure.
In him somewhere, not saying he's gonna hit it.
Reid if he was the level best hecould possibly be in every
single category. I don't see him hitting that
like I think that. No, no.
Him absolutely maxing out all ofhis God-given gifts is just.
It's definitely a tier or two below Devante Adams because he

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and I think the I think the difference is you have to have
an elite trait and Wix has one his elite trait.
I, I would say he has 22 elite traits. 1 is his release.
His release is wicked and I think that's the best thing he
has his release. He's also just a surgeon of a

(01:18:04):
route runner with room to grow. Like he's already a fantastic
route runner and there's so muchmore where the he could improve.
Like you're watching how much hedoes so much better than all the
other wide receivers on this roster.
And then you see all the things that he could improve in his own
game and like, you can't not getexcited about that.

(01:18:25):
Yeah. 'Cause Christian Watson has an
elite trait which is his body isSuperman right?
Does Jaden Reed have an elite trait?
I don't think he does. He's just, he could be a very
well-rounded. Yeah.
Guy, Yeah. No, I, I agree.
I think when you look at like Wix and you're talking about
Adams not having the, the biggest, you know, all the

(01:18:47):
athletic traits in the world, you're looking at, you know him,
Keenan Allen who hit some big ceiling years, Cooper Cup hit
the big ceiling years. Michael Thomas had a big one
like that, right, where it's like these guys who aren't, as
you said, top tier athletes and they're just getting it done
with everything else. And I feel like Puka's also kind

(01:19:09):
of in that realm as well, where it's like he doesn't overwhelm
you with a lot of things, but heis just figuring, figuring
things out. So yeah, I, I.
Think there's a difference between that type of receiver
and Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, whatever.
And like, yeah, for sure, man. And that's why you talk about

(01:19:30):
Hall of Fame for those guys. Right 100 percent, 100%.
And so, you know, I don't know that Christian Watson, Dante
Vowix or Jaden Reed, that any one of those three guys has Hall
of Famer potential inside them. I don't think they do, you know,
from a physical standpoint, likeWatson has the physical traits

(01:19:51):
for it, but he's he just has so much development in front of him
to achieve that. And I, you know, are are we
seeing indications that he's on that path?
I don't think so. No.
Whereas Wicks is more Cooper CupKeenan Allen, Devante Adams type

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best wide receiver in the league.
Potential. Yeah, if that sentence makes
sense, Ayers says Hall of Fame potential is rather.
Yeah, I should hope so. I hope so.
It's not the Hall of very good, despite everybody's, you know,
desires to put the other Manning.
Yeah. John Lynch.
I mean, there's a little lot of schmucks who shouldn't be in the

(01:20:34):
Hall of Fame. All right, where are we?
We do receiver. We're, yeah, we're, I don't
think there's any other. Are we doing Malik Heath?
Are we doing that? Let's do Malik Heath and let's
do Mikko Hardman, 'cause they are certainly fringe 53 guys is.
Bo Melton going in as a corner. Yeah, yeah, 'cause he's, he's

(01:20:58):
not. What is your cornerback?
He's just cornerback. So Malik Heath average or below
average? I guess, I guess with the guys
who are there, that's fine, yeah.
I mean, who would you rather have in the field, Malik Keith

(01:21:19):
or Luke Musgrave? Malik Keith, Yeah.
So you can't put them in the same tier.
Again, developing projects can have a wide range of outcomes.
I feel like I didn't answer it fast enough.
It's like, is he going to say Busgraves?
He could say, is he going to sayreceiver?
All right, Michael Hardman, he'slike a beige, right?

(01:21:40):
He's a beige. I would put him in orange, but
I. Don't have any problem with
that, but I think that there is a little bit of a difference
between Nicole Hardman and MollyKeith.
Maybe not. Yeah, I I think there's a bigger
difference between Miguel Hardman and the three guys above

(01:22:03):
him, though. Well, yeah, that's why they're
not in the same. But I and I never proposed put
him in yellow. I know you said beige and we
don't really have a beige and yeah.
We could make him a Cole Hardmantier, but I don't think that
he's interesting enough to give him his own tier.
No, his own tier. Wow.
Whereas Tay Wicks certainly is No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(01:22:25):
He's. He had his Chernobyl, he had it.
You got to keep him there. You got to keep it there.
Jaden Reed can't go in in your enriched uranium because if he
goes off, what are you going to get?
You're not going to get nuclear.But again, he dropped a lot of
passes. I just don't know if he's
reliable starter. That's why I'm like.
No, no. Harris says only Cooper has the.

(01:22:49):
Oh, he's talking about Hall of Fame potential.
He says Edrin Cooper has Hall of.
Fame. I think there's one other.
I think there's one more. Well, are you saying in addition
to Cooper, like you would say Edrick Cooper has Hall of Fame
potential? I don't know, may perhaps, but
like I would, I would have another fella instead.

(01:23:09):
This marked me down as uncomfortable with that
classification. Who?
It is somebody. It's so somebody we didn't talk
about. Yet we haven't done it yet.
No. All right.
So mention when we get there then.
Yeah. It's it's.
Craft has it as well. Soladapo, JJ, Obviously.
No. No, no, no, no.
But anyway, all right. Is Tom Brady a Hall of Famer in

(01:23:34):
your opinion? Yeah, of course.
Yeah, he's just annoying. Of course.
Clearly a Hall of Famer. He's just annoying.
But that like is he? Somebody I would want to shake
his hand. No, no, but I.
Think the the only Michigan player I would shake his hand is
Rashad Gary. I respect him.
Loveland No. OK.

(01:24:00):
Cool for this, says he department in uranium because
the potential is there forgiveness.
He's had so many chances, man. No, Yeah.
He's played on a couple teams. He played with Mahomes.
And Rogers? Yeah, like, I don't know.
Yeah. I, I can't, I we can't do that.
So we're on to offensive line now.
So let let's start with Rashid Walker and I would say Rasheed

(01:24:25):
Walker clearly is reliable starter.
Yeah. But like, he's verging on
excellent because like we, you know, you and I have already
done this where we went through and like ranked him among the
starting left tackles in the league.
And he was, he was borderline top 10, which is what we said
you had to be for. Excellent was like 12 or so

(01:24:47):
best. I need to, yeah.
I got to go to the board here. You pulling it up on over the
cap or what? Yeah, I'm going to the board
fellows. I got to make sure it's we'll
have to go through and like OK, aye, aye.
Werf's Williams Werf's Williams,Darasaw, The.

(01:25:16):
Problem is that Werf's contract is hard to factor in here.
What the heck is worse? He might wait.
Do you? He's played left tackle now.
Have they not moved him over? He's playing left tackle now.
I guess over the cap didn't movehim over there.

(01:25:36):
Yep, they didn't move him over there.
Well, here's the thing though, if we're going to open up the
left and right tackle, then thatmeans we got to double the
number of. Certainly.
Certainly. Shoot, so you're gonna list.
OK, so, so we're we're we're gonna say if you can only list
21 total tackles left and right combined who are better than

(01:26:01):
Rashid, then he counts. Is that correct?
Like 21 or fewer? Then he counts.
But if you can get 22 or more then he doesn't count.
Probably, yeah. I think it's tidier to just do
left tackles, but I'm that's fine.
You want to do left, Let's just,I won't let you do do either
left. So let's just do OK.

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So if he's up to 12. To the other 12.
Or better 12 or better in left tackle.
Here's the thing, if you list a guy and I can't find him on over
the cap on left tackle because he's over in right tackle, then
he doesn't count. No, but worst does because he he
played left. Last year you.
Just 100% played it. That's the thing.
OK, so worst has to be in there.OK, worse.

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Williams, Darasaw. My lot of Matthews is 5.
Yep. Matthews.
Slater, I said. Darasaw already.
You said Darasaw, you got 6 more.

(01:27:11):
Dawkins. Man, tonsils probably on the
downswing. Be a great year last year.
I'll put tonsil on there. OK.
Yeah, four more. Oh boy, There's a few that are

(01:27:34):
really tight, really tight. My gosh.
He's in a really nice grouping with like Cross, Colton, Miller.
I don't know. I'm if you have bulls, I

(01:27:57):
wouldn't put bulls in that. Who else was I talking about?
Decker. So how many of those guys are
you reckon ahead of Rasheed giveme?

(01:28:19):
Give me Cross and Decker. OK, got two more.
God, that's what Andrew Thomas is making.
He should be there, but he got hurt.
Two more and we got kind of an asterisk.

(01:28:39):
I'll probably put. Works in there.
I'll probably put Thomas, well, he played left tackle last year,
so it's not an asterisk he played it.
I know, but he's not playing left tackle this year.
Yeah, he is. Why is he at right tackle then?
Because they refuse to move him because they're silly gooses.
Oh, over the cap, not the bucket.

(01:29:00):
Yeah, yes, over the cap. Refuses to move him by tool for
this. Thanks for.
Hanging out I. Mean yeah, he's probably right
around 10:11. All right.
So by definition we got to put him in excellent guess so.
All right. Not my initial.
Thought going in. Aaron Banks, like I don't know

(01:29:23):
if we can, can we confidently say better than average?
Oh boy, probably. I will say I don't think he's
ever been as I guess reliable starter.
Is he like oh boy, reliable starter?

(01:29:46):
Yes. But like, good.
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think we can do that.
Also you have the over the cap tab still open.
Oh. Whoops.
Thanks. On the screen, yeah.
Thanks. All right, Aaron Banks, I think
that's fine. I'm he's beige I.
Think that's beige? Yeah, I think that's fine if you

(01:30:07):
want to put him in average I. Here's the thing.
Like, this might change when we're discussing Nate Hobbs too,
because like Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs, those two signings.
Yeah. They're new, neither one of them
has ever done anything and we paid them a lot of money.

(01:30:29):
Correct. And everybody's either in one of
two camps, either you think Aaron Banks is like a defensible
signing and Nate Hobbs is head scratching and that's where I
am, or you think Nate Hobbs is adefensible signing and Aaron
Banks is head scratching, which I at the time I remember, that's

(01:30:51):
kind of where you were. I don't know where you are now,
but when we first signed those guys, that's kind of where you
were at. Yeah, 'cause I thought it was a
lot. It's a lot of money for banks.
But this is not this tier chart.This tier maker chart is not
about the money. It's about the play on the
field, like is do we think he's going to be a reliable starter?

(01:31:13):
Probably, probably. Like if you were facing him, if
you're a defensive line and you're facing Aaron Banks,
you're not licking your chops and saying who we're going to
pick on that guy. No, but I don't think you're, I
don't think you're nervous. That's kind of how you feel

(01:31:37):
about the tear, anyways. Like Romeo Dobbs, like you're
probably nervous, but you're also not like in your shops
either. It's just OK, Got to got to play
this guy. Yeah, it is interesting that
most of the backups are in the average right now.
Elton Jenkins can. Can we justify putting him below

(01:31:58):
excellent? So this is purely as a center,
right? No, I'd say it's like purely as
like just him as an asset as a player and like we're putting
him at center because we need a center.
But if push comes to shove, likeare you going to upgrade him

(01:32:20):
because we move him to left tackle because of injuries and
stuff? Like he's still the player on
the roster that he is. Yeah, man, this is tough.
Excellent. I don't think we can put him
lower than excellent. I think it it, I mean with this

(01:32:42):
our offensive line, there's justno, there's like no excuses this
year based on this. I mean, right card, which we're
about to do. Let's let's, let's sort through
our pile of right guard options and let's start with the guy
who's been here the longest, Sean Ryan, who's like average.

(01:33:05):
Yeah. Then we got Jordan Morgan,
Jordan Morgan red. I can't remember playing in June
Bridge in. There he is.
Red and then Anthony Belton. Got to be in red as well.

(01:33:26):
You said he's got to be in red because he's a rookie.
No, I just said he's got to be in red as well.
Where is he going to play? Is he playing right guard?
Is that a developmental, you know, position for him?
Something he's going to have to work at more?
Yeah, I mean, if, if, if we werestarting him in Week 1, we'd be
terrified. Right.
It's not a like. But I would be terrified.

(01:33:50):
Which would scare you more for Week 1, starting Sean Ryan or
Jordan Morgan at right guard? I mean, I think you're in big
trouble either way. Probably Morgan, if we're going
to be running more power stuff. I think so, Zach.

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Tom, I'm going to put in All Prothis is.
My, that's the guy. That's the one of the two I had
up there. OK.
And so I'm curious to see who the 3rd All Pro is up here.
Once you reveal your pick, Donald Ladapo, you, you, me and
the chat all have to agree Zach Tom is all Pro.
That's the Hall of Fame potential, I think that we're

(01:34:32):
looking at here potentially, Yeah, with him.
That's the guy I was referring, I mean.
Move him, put him at left tackleor center please, not right
tackle if we want him to be an all.
Could put him at. Left Hall Famer could put it on
left, but I don't know that. I have no problem with that.
Let's put. Him at the Packers are not
serious when it comes to this thing.

(01:34:54):
Any other alignment are we putting on here?
Monk probably. Oh, I know exactly where to put
Monk. Here we go.
OK, no, I'm not really going to do we?
Have project I got here. Here's the reason we have the
fry cooked here, all right, There's some guys there in
there. Orzac got him right there next

(01:35:15):
to Van Ness. Yep.
Travis Glover is going to fry cook. 100%.
I am as much of an NFL offensivelineman as Travis Glover is, and
that is not, that is not a brag about me.
That is purely the crap on Travis Glover, Ayers says.

(01:35:36):
Was going to say Hall of Fame potential with Tom, but the
Nolan Smith sack left a bitter taste.
Yeah, everybody going to snap, man, We're going to do.
Everybody going to get caught. They nobody is.
I mean, we go to the. Sacks that Trenton Williams has
given up in his career. Yeah, it's, that's the thing,
like even the like again, the Hall of Fame corners, they get

(01:35:56):
got plenty. Like, it's just, it's kind of do
we need any more offensive lineman on the list?
Probably not. Yeah we do.
Our numbers are wait we only have 6 often or 78123456. 6-8.
9789, let's put one we. I think we need one more in in

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the mix of time. Kadeem Telford I.
Mean Kadeem is. He's all the way on the left.
Let's rank Diamond Jennings. I think he's in the.

(01:36:40):
Mix their draft pick. What did you say?
Yeah. John Williams.
Williams. John Williams, I mean he so he's
a what, a 6th rounder or 7th rounder?
He's a 7th rounder. 7th but likeif we were starting him.
No, I can't put him there. OK.

(01:37:03):
You agree with Donovan in developing Project I, I kind of
think Donovan, it belongs to thelower end of average.
I guess, oh, I, I'd be like, I don't know.
I feel like we've we're waiting on it and it's been a long time
and, and he may. It's been one year.
For me, Oh yeah, I guess. Oh yeah, that's not Yeah.

(01:37:25):
Diamond Jennings. Gosh Dang it.
I was thinking of freaking the other two clowns, Jones and
Toyota, the other two clowns. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's. Taking it forever, I would still
put them in red for me, but because I again average to be is
like these guys have these guys have like played.

(01:37:50):
Yeah, that's fair. Just put Orzec in the purple
while we're down here. Might as well, he's on that row.
Is that too generous? Though it is, but that's all we
got. OK, OK, serious question.
Oh. Is there a team in the NFL with

(01:38:14):
a worse long snapper situation than the Packers?
Probably not. You took too long to answer.
You should have already said heck no.
Probably not. I mean, Matt and Worsik is
appallingly bad and we are not even bringing in other long
snappers for workouts. We're not even bringing in other

(01:38:36):
long snappers for workouts like other NFL teams at least have a
guy that they know they're not going to sign, but they're like,
hey, you know, I heard he tells a really good joke and I kind of
want to hear it. Let's bring him in the building
and let him tell us the joke, and then we'll send him back
home. I'm just I want to see PFFS.

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Matt Orszak is the worst football player we have in the
building and it's not close. He's not a football player.
Tampa Bay's Evan Deckers and Miami's Blake Ferguson are the
only ones who are remotely closein grade.
Oh no. Rick Lovato and Philly, and then

(01:39:25):
Tabor Pepper in San Francisco. Yeah, and have those guys been
dog water worst in the NFL for three straight years guys on
here because Orszak has that going for him is that he's a
three peat he's. Consistent.
Long snapper in the NFL. He is precise.
I'll give him the precision. He's he's the guy who's like I

(01:39:49):
missed the dartboard 3 times in the same spot type of thing you.
Know right, he's like. Right.
Well, I I'll be over here, right?
Like I'll be over here, but it'snot.
Eris says he's the new Royce Newman.
You don't understand. Like Royce Newman, you could put
on a football. Talk down to him.
And he would be bad. Matt Orszak should not be

(01:40:13):
allowed to watch a football gameas a fan.
He's that bad. It's not great.
All right, all right. I think is that enough offensive
line? I think it is.
I mean, I know Telfer. Telfer is in the mix of 53.

(01:40:34):
Sure, we got this pile of guys. Monk, Williams, Jennings,
Telford. Probably one of those. 4.
Or two of those four is gonna make the 53 that would probably
want it to be not Telford. Yeah, I'd like it to be Monk,
because I'd like him to justify the absurd amount of draft

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capital we threw at getting him.John Williams I think is
probably the best tackle prospect there and Jennings is
the best guard prospect there. Monk, we overspent the most to
go get Telford. See ya.
That's kind of how I would. Yeah, Couch, that lot of players
still left on the board here, all right.

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Well, the whole the whole defense, Yeah.
So let's for defense, let's start with defensive tackle.
Yeah, let's, let's start with Kenny Clark.
I'm going to put him. I can't put him in a what?
Fry cook. I can't put him at a reliable
starter. He's not a reliable.
Starter. No.
No, no, no. He's he is straight up bad at.

(01:41:39):
Football these days. And well, give me the bunions
thing or. Whatever.
Fry cook, Fry cook. 2. More fry cooks.
Here's the thing. He's a developing project
because no, he's Packers. He's 30.
No, because the Packers are trying to turn him into no.
A 43 defensive tackle. Why?

(01:42:02):
We don't know, but they're trying to no.
Fry Cook. All right, we're putting it in
fry cook, but let it be known. I did Brooks this time.
Carl Brooks. Jake Shavink did it this time,
not Carl. Carl Brooks developing project.
Hold on, hold on, you a hole. What?

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There's Carl. Well, I just, I'm deeply
offended. Oh, that's tough, Carl Brooks.
All right. In development.
Devante Wyatt. Carl Brooks is at least orange,
and I would say that's where he belongs all.
Right. Who?
Wait, who did you say you want next?

(01:42:44):
Devante Wyatt. Yeah, let's get Devante Wyatt
off here. Devante Devante goes here and I
will not hear, I will not hear any cylinder putting him lower
than that. All right, who's next?
I mean, that's it. We don't have any other
defensive tackles on the roster.Hold on, seriously.
Let me pull up my spreadsheet and remind myself who's even on

(01:43:07):
the roster? So we have done the three guys.
Already. That we put on our roster at
defensive tackle. We had two guys under nose tack,
which were Warren Brinson and Nazir Stackhouse.
Yes, yes, there we. Go.
And I don't. I mean, I think it's generous.
It's generous to put them in. It probably is.

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Are they the new Caleb Jones? Luke Tanuda?
Perhaps. Perhaps they are.
So there's also very possible. Wooden, and I'm thinking Colby
wooden might be Brad cooked here.
Oh, that's what I was going to say.
For sure. Not.
Great where we have the D line relative to the rest of the
roster. Hey Goody don't care.
Goody don't give a crap about defensive tackle other than

(01:43:52):
drafting my guys Carl Brooks andDevante Wyatt, he doesn't done
crap at defensive tackle. So other bodies on the roster,
those. 2. Say what?
Have you had a my guy recently? Like along the lines.
Yeah, Oh, Adopo, no. No, A detackle.
A detackle. A detackle.
Oh, not that he drafted. No, I mean, Ty Robinson.

(01:44:15):
Ty Robinson, Ty Robins. Yeah.
No, this this past year, I had all kinds of detackles.
I. Liked.
That's right. Tons of guys have liked Ayers.
Has Clope hope for Clark still? I don't we're.
Fine. We're fine.
The Slayton loss was devastating.
I mean, I guess from a number standpoint because we don't have
enough D tackles to field a football team.

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We're. Fine, we have the best coaching
staff that there is for this D line.
But there's there's three other defensive tackles on the road.
Shouldn't be concerned. It's Keith Randolph.
Where is it? Keith Randolph.
Nice, he's all the way on the left now.

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Nesta Jade Silvera over here andMr. James Ester.
I'm not putting any of those guys on the.
Board not doing that. We got to, we got to keep
moving. That's it.
That's all. We have a defensive tackle, so
let's move on to defensive end. So I'm curious where you are
going to put Rashawn Gary, because I think we're going to
disagree. Probably yellow.

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That's brutal. You're putting him in the Jaden
Reed, Aaron Banks tier. I don't believe I said I'd put
Aaron Banks in that one, though,to be fair.
There we go. I've I'm fine with that.
That works for me. That works.
For you listen, there's another guy there here was creative.

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There's another guy this tier was oh.
Sure, 100%. Let's do him right.
Now who it is, do it to him. Oh, that's actually not what I
thought. What, you weren't thinking, Van
Ness? No.
You were thinking, oh, were you?Were you thinking Colin Oliver?

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Yes. No, I was truthfully.
I was truthfully. I was actually.
Going to put a defence event. I was actually going to put
Oladapa there. Well, we're at defence event.
Or Bullard, honestly. Rick, that no.
Anyway. Javon Bullard hitting.
Stealing. No, we got to go.

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We got to keep moving. We got to keep moving.
We're not even. There yet I'm jumping ahead with
Bullard in developing project. Now we're coming back to
defensive end again. I would, that's where I put LBN
as well. But.
Developing project? Yeah, for sure.
No, screw that. He's enriched uranium.
I just not a fan of the Lukes onour team.
I just don't think they're very good.

(01:46:45):
I. Think it's.
Two right? How's Genuda's gone?
Yes, well, he still counts. I think I was still count.
I was still counting Tim. Just not a fan of those guys out
there. Brenton Cox, junior I'm putting
in average. Glad to have him around.
OK don't want him cut but also Ican't put him any higher than
average. OK.

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Aaron Mosby, I'm not ranking Baron.
Sorel. There's only one spot for him at
this point, right Cook? Well.
Two, I guess developing prospect.
But Oliver? Has to be the same.
I'm more excited about Colin Oliver, I think, than Baron.
You could put him in the uraniumif you, if you must.

(01:47:30):
No, no. What happens when you enrich it?
That's kind of a developmental thing.
It's like, well, what if this, what if this?
We really like this development.We'd have to put the coaching
staff in into developing into into the into the mix as well.
Coaching staff has to figure outwhere they're going to play
them. They if you told me they were
going to put them at Sam linebacker, absolutely.

(01:47:51):
Enrich that uranium. Let's go.
Yeah. We got to do Kingsley.
We do. So I I think Kingsley actually
where the heck is Kingsley? There he is.
Put Kingsley in in liable starter.
Would you put him on average instead?

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Yeah, he's beige. We need a beige tier.
Yeah, yeah. You know what?
I know how to. Beige.
We can do Beige. It's going.
To rename the average tier to beige.
Now I feel better. I feel a lot better.

(01:48:33):
Well, that's how you spell beige.
No, no, no, I know. I was just.
I I like calling it that. No, I just cause of the letters
and how it's just the way we've decided to spell things.
Yeah, this is the way we've decided to spell things.
This is very funny. All right.
So I think we only have 3D ES left on the roster and that's
Aaron Mosby, Deslin Alexander and Jeremiah Martin.

(01:48:56):
I'm not doing anything with those three guys.
No. So let's do linebacker.
This will be interesting. So we got to start with Quay.
I'll let you say where you want Quay to go.
Part of me says uranium, part ofme says average.

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He wouldn't say reliable starter.
He's not on the tier of Romeo Dobbs.
Yes. But also, I think there's some
that uranium to enrich there, you know?
No, I mean, I'm, I'm not waffling between these two.
You were waffling between these two, between beige.

(01:49:42):
I'm saying between enriched and beige, feel a little like, you
know, enriched. Beige.
Oh man, I love that the tears are evolving too.
I love. This yes, I love that.
I'm fine with that. We can, we can do that quite.

(01:50:05):
I'm good with. That oh, let's see, Isaiah
Mcduffie. Average.
You are so down on Mcduffie. You're you're you haven't been
like fry cooked territory, don'tyou?
I certainly think he's that's average is fine, reliable
starter. I you're gonna, you're gonna
fight me and at least put him ina bait in average, right?
No, I'll I'm fine with the average we can.

(01:50:25):
That's worse for me. I can compromise on that, all
right. Love that.
Love a good compromise all. Right, Isaiah Simmons.
Some more of those you know. Isaiah Simmons, like the.
Uranium thing, but yeah, it's probably that.
I think that he's like spent uranium.
May I say I think Oliver has more uranium to enrich than

(01:50:48):
Simmons. I would just like that out there
for the folks. Exclusively play Isaiah Simmons
at linebacker and only have him do linebacker stuff.
That excites me a little bit. Yes, they are not talking about
that 'cause they're. Stupid.
They are talking about some other things which I feel like
Arizona tried to do those thingsand.

(01:51:10):
And New York tried to do those things, yeah.
And. Just saying, you know, I know
where Hopper's going to go for you might.
As well. Clemson or Oklahoma?
Clemson. Clemson.
All of a sudden I had a vision of him in a Oklahoma uniform and
it just looked right in my mind and I questioned everything.
That might be the Cardinals, that's why, yeah.

(01:51:32):
That's what it is. Could be, Revtrev says.
Go, pack, go. Go, pack, go.
Yeah. Welcome.
Welcome, man, Welcome. Oh, let's see, I guess.
I guess put do. What you got to do do what you
got to do, you know? Oh, no, I meant I thought you
were going. I, I said let's might as well
get Hopper out of the way. Enrich that.

(01:51:55):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Of.
Course. All right, So we can agree to
put him in enriched uranium, butif this tier was not available,
where would you put him 'cause I, I'm, would you be putting him
in like reliable starter? Probably, yeah, probably would
put him in the yellow. All right, we can put it in

(01:52:16):
enriched. Uranium.
All right, and. Then let's do it.
This is. Just going to feel so good.
All right, go ahead. Endorphins.
I got endorphins from that, yeah.
It's it was a different, it's not from the redacted energy.
It was just a different one. It was a second wind that didn't
come from that, which I think isis fascinating.
Yeah, I just, I just had some redacted.

(01:52:37):
There you go. And I definitely got a tingle,
but it was not the same tingle. I got the.
Same. Popper in practice.
You wanted to do. We each got to do one for fun.
Mine is more controversial, which is good.
No, I'd say with this freaking fan base, they're both
controversial. There's there's people who think
Tyron. Copper, I guess.
Yeah, they're probably. I don't.

(01:52:58):
Understand how those people. Exist.
All right. Arthur, who else do we got to
put up? There, Yeah, there's more
linebackers on the roster. We got one more.
We really don't. Where is he?
Who are you looking for? It's Christian Welch.
He's like the only other linebacker on the roster.
I think. I think he is there, yes.

(01:53:22):
So you know what? We do need another tier.
Actually, what are we doing? I can't.
We'll see. I can't wait.
You're going to agree. It's new.
Why is it yellow though? Pure special because the yellow
is the default that it creates. Oh.
Pure special so. We can put Christian Welch on
here. I don't want him playing
defence. Probably could put Mosby there

(01:53:42):
too. And I think Hopper belongs here
too. He's a fine special teamer.
That works. Is there anybody else not
allowed to? Oh, what do I want to say?
Not allowed to play What? Like not just defense, defense,
offense? What?
Well, that's what pure special team I, I think.

(01:54:03):
I think it's yeah. What?
All right, pure special Teamer, Welch and Hopper.
Uranium just sitting in the ground unmind.
Haven't touched it. Oh, it's hold on.

(01:54:28):
Black is not going to work. Let me go with.
Light grey. Oh, what?
You disagree. No, I, I.
OK, I just. Wanted to I know for the memes.

(01:54:50):
For the memes, of course. OK.
Is there anybody else? Any other pure special teamers I
guess is the real question that we like Whelan count?
No, he does not count because. He is.
He is though. As pure as it gets though.
Pure special teamer. I know.

(01:55:11):
Like it can't be a technicality,it has to be a statement of your
capability. I know, but.
So. But.
No, because, because I know you're not saying.
Zane, Zane. Hold on, you're not going to
disagree with me on this. Dan Whelan, All Pro Punter.

(01:55:32):
How many punters in the NFC are better than Dan Whelan?
Come on. That's an interesting question.
See. Look.
Errors. Look, Jake, I told you they
exist. I know, he said.
Hopper is a project to me still get him reps I'm telling you,
there's people out there. There are Hopper truthers out
there who think he's. Listen, I didn't say anything

(01:55:54):
about Hopper. I just let the player.
I just let you do it. I'm just.
Saying you can't put Whelan lower than excellent, he's
certainly. An excellent no no I that's
where I was going to put him personally.

(01:56:14):
But like, by definition, how many NFC punters are better than
Wheeler? It might only be 1.
Hey, then he's an all pro, airs on, Hopper says.
I'm not saying he's good, but heonly had like 3 snaps the whole
season. Not given a proper chance.

(01:56:35):
You have to earn a chance somewhere.
You have to earn it in practice or in the preseason or when you
do get snaps out there on the field.
He has only ever been terrible. You see a word world where he's
better eventually than Mcduffie.I don't see how you don't.
You just don't like Mcduffie. That's fair.

(01:56:56):
But he's never been Mcduffie on a bad day.
Yeah, I'm going to say just Dixon and Anger as NFC punters
that are better. So I I just don't know how you
can argue with having him in theall pro tier like he would be
like by your definition he wouldbe in the conversation for

(01:57:17):
winning all but. But that removes the AFC, which
I think has probably more like AJ Cole.
Good thing he doesn't have to compete with the AFC punters to
win All Pro. He has to compete with the AFC.
No, no, he he has to. He does, yes.

(01:57:41):
Oh yes, they're only two All proQBs every year.
Fine. Put them in.
So I, I would, I would, I, I think that's fair.
AFC has some good punters because there's some bad teams
over there that like to punt andthey get a lot of great reps.
All right, let's do, is Cornelius.
Johnson, a pure special teamer. No, Cornelia, I'm here.

(01:58:05):
You know what? Screw it.
You made me rank him. I ranked him.
I'm just asking if we need to put more players in there.
That's all I was saying. All right.
And if I cooked here, absolutelywe can put there's plenty guys.
Certainly. OK, OK, OK, OK.
Let's do safety. Let's do safety.
Let's start with X. All right.
I think X clearly belongs in excellent unless you.

(01:58:28):
That was my other guy that was in blue that would have been.
You got it in blue. That was the other guy I had in
blue. Yeah, those were the 2 McKinney
and Tom. I will give you McKinney because
you gave me a Jordan. All right.
So I think that you and I feel similarly about our compromises.
Sure, I like it. I'm OK with this.

(01:58:49):
All right, I'm OK with it too. But then this if we're putting
McKinney in All Pro and we're not putting Jacobs in All Pro,
that makes me feel a little icky.
OK, not me personally, but I mean, but all right.
Here's the other guy to consider.
Should Elton Jenkins be in like a teal Tier I?

(01:59:11):
Mean he's I think that's where Jacobs belongs is in the teal.
And I think you could convince me love is in the teal because
that is I think right where to me he belongs.
Yeah, there could be a teal there could because I think that
would separate like the Jacobs is from Masheed Walker, right

(01:59:36):
where it's like. Here's the problem.
Envision them on the same level as each other.
The problem is this enriched uranium is really supposed to
be, this is supposed to be the tier that's actually between
reliable starter and excellent. And so these guys who are
supposed to be in this tier in between these two.
There are, there are. Put them in excellent.

(01:59:56):
Yes, but the enriched uranium ismy favorite tier.
Though so we're saying all pro you are like.
Top. 4 Excellent. You are top 12.
Reliable starter. You're top 25.
Yeah, 25 to 30. So is Elton Jenkins closer to

(02:00:20):
top four or closer to top 12? I think he's clearly closer to
all to top 4. I mean, it's specifically an
asset as you said earlier, yeah.Eris says teal tier should
happen. If we do a teal tier, there's

(02:00:40):
not a teal color. There's not a teal color.
What did? What have we used?
Is that what we're using I guess?
I don't like. That looks funny.
See what if we did? Is it the light green?
Oh, that's I like that. I like this.
Yes, yes, yes. What if we just call this?
Teal tier, Jacobs and Jenkins I think would go there for sure.

(02:01:08):
I think here's what it is. I think this is actually
excellent. And then the other one is
quality starter. You know what this is?
Maybe this is great. Starter locked and loaded.
Locked and loaded. It's just great.

(02:01:28):
Shout out to our friends dear below, locked and loaded.
Great elite and all pro. What do you think about that?
That's fine. Would you say Josh Jacobs is an
elite running back, Yes or no? How many would you say are

(02:01:49):
elite? How many?
What was your number in the league you would put in like an
elite to your running back? Not more than like 6.
If it's six, I think he can belong there.
If it's less to me, no. Yeah, running back is tough too,

(02:02:11):
because people respect some crappy running backs who have
great offensive lines, and thosecrappy running backs put up some
really nice numbers. That's why they got rough shards
over expectation. Yeah, but people don't want to
talk about advanced metrics whenthey're discussing running

(02:02:31):
backs. That's what they hate doing
because then you have to filter out the guys with big names.
Who suck Too bad that's what we doing.
I'm just saying, no, I'm not talking about we're doing it
here. I'm talking about the fact that
I can't talk about running backsbecause people get mad about it.
That's that's all I'm saying. I.
Gotcha. Let's so we're doing safeties,

(02:02:52):
we did X, let's do Evan Williamsand I think Evan Williams is
reliable starter. Did your Internet cut out?
No, sorry, I'm just trying to get this to filter by this event

(02:03:18):
stat and I cannot do it. Errors.
I'm not. I'm not answering this question
because I you're going to get mecancelled.
Sorry, I just can't do it. I mean if rush EPA had a tier of

(02:03:39):
6 unfortunately our guy would not be on it which is tough even
if they had a rush yards over expectation per attempt.
You're still on running back. I thought you were looking up
something with Evan Williams. No, no, you got me on the

(02:04:02):
advanced stats of running backs.I want to look at it.
I put Evan Williams in reliable starter.
Do you agree with that? That's the Quay Walker.
Oh yeah, we're fine. We're fine.
I think there's a chance we go upwards from there, but I'm fine
with that, especially after yearone.
That's a lovely. Space an.
Oladapo enrich him. Enrich, said Ben.

(02:04:27):
We're we're putting. Him there.
It's funny because he's higher than ever.
Carl Brooks. Yeah.
But again, like there's not a good spot to put the enriched
uranium tier because it's not a tier, it's a.
It's a group of of it's a group of excellent individuals.
It's like The Avengers. It's like we're making a new
batch of Hulks or something. That's what it's, that's what it

(02:04:49):
feels like. This mission should.
You choose to accept it. Yeah, exactly.
That's my team. I'm picking that team for sure,
especially with hope. It's a strategy.
I'm good with that. Oh.
Well, you know where. You know where I want him to go.
Yep. You're a special teamer.
Yes, I'm. Yes.

(02:05:10):
I don't mind him on defense, butI like him on I.
Like him? Yes.
All right. Are we on the corners now?
No is there anymore. So Bullard is in developing
project which I think is already.
Put him in there already. Put him in there.
Are we missing? We're missing somebody, aren't

(02:05:30):
we? Are we?
No, we're not. We got everybody.
Jonathan Baldwin, Count are you doing not OK?
Not until we see him do so. I I've never seen him do
anything. And also.
Well. The The Packers have them listed
as a cornerback, so. Do they?
That's weird. Well they did when I made my
list. I don't know if they still do

(02:05:51):
but I made my list like a month.It is, I will say it is throwing
me off that Cameron Young is on here 'cause I can only think of
the golfer, Cameron Young. I can't, just cannot get there.
I don't know who that is so. Trying to find him to see what
the heck position he even plays.I don't know who he is.
I don't know I'm. Googling Packers Cameron Young.

(02:06:16):
I'm getting brick. He's like a defensive end or
something. All right.
He is a oh, close defensive tackle.
Oh, I, we, I remember this guy. We just picked him up a couple
days like like 2 weeks ago. Oh.
OK. Seahawks fourth round pick.
He's been just awful in the NFL.I'm not opposed to the to the

(02:06:36):
pick because we need bodies in that room and he's a body and,
you know, maybe he could pan out, but worse, he has not done
anything so far. OK, the main.
So let's do main event. Really.
Yeah, let's do this. Let's do Carrington Valentine,
maybe the only exciting guy to talk about here.

(02:06:59):
Would you put him at average? Would you put him?
Would you put him in a reliable starter?
No, not personally. Average.
I think that's fine, yes. OK.
And I'm I, I would put Nate Hobbs at average as well.
OK. Do you think I should have
ranked him higher than average? Would you say he's a has

(02:07:19):
demonstrated that he's a reliable starter in the NFL?
Yes, but it is there is a new team, new scheme type of thing
going on there. I just I struggle to put him.
Higher. That's fine.

(02:07:40):
But, like, do I think he's better than Shawn Ryan?
Yeah, Yeah. Do I think he's better than Carl
Brooks? Heck, no.
Do I think he's better than Kingsley and Igbari?
No, because. Like to me this this whole
average tears like backups. Yeah, why do you think I was so

(02:08:02):
mad that we gave Nate Hobbs 48 mil?
And and you know, it hurts to put Carl Brooks there, but we
have to right now. It's tough.
It hurts just a little bit. We can.
Let's temporarily put Hobbs in. Reliability.
I don't know. The last time we gave a Raider
12 million, it worked out prettywell.
Is that Keyshawn? That's Josh Jacobs.

(02:08:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right.
He's exactly 12. I was thinking, I thought we
paid maybe. Brock Bowers will be afraid.
Did we pay Keyshawn 12 for threeyears?
I thought it was. I thought it was 18. 18 for
three years, 'cause. He's probably 12 guaranteed.
Exactly half of what Hobbes. Is.
So keyshawn I would put in like reliable starter and the problem

(02:08:50):
is. As a kick returner, Hey, you
said pure special teamers don't go there, so I did.
Yeah. So I guess he's got to be up
there. I would like to put it for the
record. I said it as a kick returner,
not as a corner. All right.

(02:09:12):
Who we got left? Oh wait, the corner was.
Corner right, average or reliable?
Average, but as a kick returner I will put him as reliable,
maybe even better than that. Maybe, maybe even better you.
Want me to put him on this list twice so you can also put him as
pure special team? No, no, I would as a kick
returner, I would put him at like maybe excellent.
Yeah, the problem is we're not looking for a kick returner.

(02:09:34):
We're looking. That's true.
We're not. Yeah.
Like what does it matter? Like, first of all, our special
team is going to be awful no matter what, so I don't even
care who's returning. It's true.
There you go. Our defense is in big danger of
being bad because we don't have any defensive tackles or any
cornerbacks. And I think you could survive
one of those position groups being devastated, but not both.

(02:09:59):
Like, hey, I know, let's have questions on the front.
End of this and Ty Robins of this team right now.
It will be nice to have like oneother quality player in either
one of those rooms. Just give me one.
Can we? Ty Robinson or Trey Amos.
Both could have both go to have them both.

(02:10:19):
So here's the thing. We got it.
There's so few quarterbacks in the roster.
We have to put Mike. We do have to start.
Putting some other guys on here.No, I'm saying specifically Mike
Robinson we had to put on here. Yes, in the red.
Same with. Is Caitlin King in there?
I don't. Know.
No. Let's put you Caitlin King.
He's definitely in the conversation.

(02:10:42):
OK, I thought he was going to get put in the fry cook.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You.
You mistake me, Sir, for Kaylin King hater.
I'm a I'm a Kaylin King truther.I just acknowledge he's never
done anything. I'm Kaylin K agnostic I think.
OK. So here, so now I think mean
didn't. Probably.

(02:11:02):
Him shoot, why not? I mean I.
Think we have to? Yeah, I think.
It's a freaking difference. Yeah, Heck yeah.
Let's just put all the cornerbacks in on the roster in
developing. Well, let's put Nate Hobson.
Oh, oh, JJ, the linebacker. Were we thinking of Jamon Demos
Johnson. You know, it's been a minute

(02:11:24):
since I thought about him and I remember that we were excited
about him, but I can't remember why we were excited about him.
What did we like about him? Athleticism.
Probably, yeah, probably ranged.All that good stuff all.
Right, fine, fine. I'm going to reach the uranium.
Heck yeah. Love that.

(02:11:44):
All right, listen. I'm not.
I'm not here to waste you. We can't do.
I'll meme a little bit, but I'm not here.
To we can't do that. We can meme for two, which is.
Why? Catana Adapo is going into a
real teary. What, you you think we should
put him in in your uranium? Yeah, Like, I genuinely, I'm not
here to waste people's time. I am.
I. Think he should go there.
I think he should go there. I'm there.

(02:12:06):
Remember Adam Huddles, I'm standing on this one.
I will stand on this with Oladapo.
I just Adam huddle in the chat. Right.
I want to. I'm believing in something
there. I would like to.
I would like to believe in it. All right, so let's see here.
Bow Melton. No.

(02:12:28):
Oh, yeah. Bow Melton.
I need to see something. I need to see him play
cornerback first, like you tell me.
Put him at wide receiver like I put him at average.
How about Gunner do? You want to just put him at pure
special teamer, but but the problem is like I I don't mind
having him out there on offense like I would like slash 53 on

(02:12:50):
offense, except we have so many bow melons basically.
Gunner, Slash. Kicker.
Turner, Aaron. Says he put Cooper in great
already respond to that I. Just feel like I feel like
there's not I don't think we're at enough snaps yet.
Now we we have made some moves. We have.
I have said Tucker Craft is willbe in great, even though people

(02:13:13):
probably won't put him well, no great.
Now we've we've made the tier interesting.
So here's the thing. You're you're, you're not going
to get. We've made the.
Tier right now. I've never been a Cooper
truther. I was pleasantly surprised that
he had some nice moments last year.
I I've never been a Cooper trooper.

(02:13:33):
Interesting. We have split that tier up.
Actually we have split that tierup now where it would be because
again, I think, yeah, if if we had Jacobs and Jenkins in that
tier still I would say no. But it's a.
Different tier. I can't put Cooper in the same
tier as Tucker Kraft and DevanteWyatt.

(02:13:55):
Can we put Tucker craft in the tear tier?
I'm fine with. That all right.
Now I think Cooper goes there. Now I think Cooper can go.
There I can't. I could put Cooper in reliable
starter even though he has not been a starter for us yet.
Cooper is not better than Wyatt.Don't say silly things.

(02:14:16):
Understand the Devante Wyatt hate Devante Wyatt.
He struggled to stay healthy last year.
Sure, you can be annoyed about the injuries.
Sure. Quite good.
He is excellent. Devante Wyatt is excellent.
He is easily the best defensive tackle on our roster.
It's not close. For sure.
He if he if he could have stayedhealthy all year, he absolutely

(02:14:40):
would have been in the pro ball,all ball, all pro consideration.
No question, he was excellent last year.
He missed a lot of time and thatwas killer.
And our defense took a nosedive when he got hurt.
Jake, that is the silicon face you're making there.

(02:15:00):
I don't know about All Pro. I can get there with Pro Bowl.
I cannot get there with All Pro.I think they're.
I mean, I don't care about the Pro Bowl anyways, so.
I I would not I would not say all pro, but.
So the chat is saying Cooper is our best linebacker and it's not

(02:15:20):
closed. OK.
I don't think our linebacker room is a.
For sure, it's an asset. Yeah, I so it was saying too
much. I mean, like, are you gonna, you
know, talk about who's our best corner and, and, like, pump that
person up as well for that reason.
Like, OK, being the best in a bad room is not, Ayers says.

(02:15:44):
Not many linebackers that would have produced in limited stamps.
He had OK and the limited snaps right there.
The Packers didn't put him out there more often because he
wasn't ready for it. So even putting him under
reliable starter, well, the Packers didn't make him a
starter because they couldn't. He's was not ready.

(02:16:05):
I just haven't seen enough from him yet to think.
Oh, yeah, he's great. I think he's promising.
I love having him in the enriched uranium tier.
Sure. Just looking, all right.
We have a few others that we need to probably.

(02:16:28):
Well, do we? Who do you want to rank from
the? I mean this is.
Sam Brown, baby. Picked over gun to my head, I
can more. Receivers.
Sam Brown plays Z receiver. Wide receiver at Miami.
He was at He was in Houston in 2023 with Matthew Golden.
All right, our kicker. Oh yeah, that's.

(02:16:52):
Great, he's certainly reliable starter.
Yeah. Is he great?
He's serviceable, he's reliable.That's what you want in a
kicker. Yeah.
Would you put him higher than reliable starter?

(02:17:16):
Maybe he isn't great. I'm trying to think of like.
We need more greats. I'm fine with putting him there.
I mean, he's certainly said it and forget it at starter kicker.
You're not remotely concerned. OK, Drew, so I can tell that
you're new to this episode, right?
Yes, So he says how are Wix and Oladapo so high?

(02:17:39):
Yes, and this is our problem. This is not a tier.
It's not actually in between yellow and green.
This is. You don't know where to put
this. Pink box this.
It's a whole separate category. Yeah.
This is the whole problem. We just don't know where to put
this. So enriched uranium.
And This is why I like, you know, Gary at least belongs in

(02:18:01):
in green, OK. But this pink enriched uranium
tier, this is like you're gonna have a breakout year, all right?
And the volatility is all over the place.
And like you got, your floor is probably pretty low and your
ceiling is just absurd. Wix is like the most unstable
compound there is on this entireteam.

(02:18:23):
I think Van Ness is also pretty unstable compound.
Now Edrin. Cooper, Edrin.
Cooper's That enrichment is my goodness.
Other other places are on high alert, I think yeah Gary and

(02:18:45):
great is he top 12. Oh wait, we have elite now.
But great I still think would bethat.
I mean McManus is probably. Top 12.
And the big problem with Gary isthat only just now should we be

(02:19:09):
expecting him to be fully back to himself post injury.
Yeah. Last year, you should not have
had lofty expectations from him,and if you did, that was your
own Dang fault for not listening.
The 10,000 times I said, hey, he's still recovering.

(02:19:31):
I know you forgot about his injury, but his knee didn't.
All right, now in 2025, have allthe expectations you want.
And if you don't think he's playing well enough, go ahead
and, you know, actually pin thaton his playability.
We are now finally, as of June 2025, far enough removed from

(02:19:54):
the ACL tear that we should start having expectations.
Yeah, Clark has. Decayed.
Yeah, he's in the he's past the half life decaying type of
thing. Look where?
Look where Jake put him. Yep, for once it was not me who
did that. It was.

(02:20:18):
We got to get some clicks out here.
If we were click hunting we would be putting Bo Melton
really high on the list. I'm not click hunting that bad.
Yeah, I don't know. Is there anybody else?
We need even with how much we meme around here, we don't ever

(02:20:40):
click Hunt actually. Like, we meme all the time and
and you know, we goof around with that policy stuff all the
time. But when it comes to the
football, we don't just say crap.
And if one of us does say crap, the other guy calls him out on
it. Yeah, Drew.

(02:21:05):
Indeed. Jake and I have had
conversations about how high of a draft pick we'd be willing to
give up to rid ourselves of Kenny Clark's contract with
getting nothing returned. I.
Would take one redacted energy for Kenny Clark.
No, the question is how many redacted energies would you give

(02:21:27):
up to be to have the luxury of, oh, not getting out of his
contract? I don't think I could give that
up. Would you spend another team a
fifth round pick plus Kenny Clark just for them to take

(02:21:50):
Kenny Clark's contract? It's like the Brock Osweiler
thing, like, hey, can you take this, please?
Exactly. Yeah, if it's probably good.
Oh, Drew wants to talk about Chris Brooks.
Yeah, we should talk about ChrisBrooks.
He's worth talking about St. I.
Don't even know what he's going to do on special teams.

(02:22:12):
Here's the thing. Chris Brooks finally last year
developed into very low end average same tiers.
Emmanuel, no, I can't. Maybe it's pass blocker.
Yeah, there. We go pass.

(02:22:35):
He could be an average for his pass blocking.
That's fine. I said Nixon could be in.
Nixon can be in. I did say Nixon could be in
reliable starter as a kick returner.
So I guess if we're. Yeah, but I didn't let you do
that though. You didn't.
This is true. Chris Brooks, I don't know, they

(02:22:56):
met with, we're still trying to develop them, I guess.
So whatever we've been developing prospect project.
But yeah, Chris Brooks as a passblocker I'm good with.
Yes, I am. He finally, toward the end, I
would. Like it to be Lloyd developed.
To the point where I no longer got mad seeing him on the field.

(02:23:16):
We should revisit. This it's finally time for us to
cut him and let him go to San. Francisco, that's what always
happens. We should revisit this mid
season to hopefully put more guys in enriched uranium and
then also take those guys out ofenriched uranium.
Yeah. So who?
Who in developing project is an enriched uranium prospect?

(02:23:40):
How do you say Lloyd Savion? Savion could go there.
You think Lloyd has like that ceiling though?
Like Savion has the ceiling? Here's the thing with our I
think. Lloyd does.
They got the ceiling. Yeah, I know.
I I actually think Lloyd does. OK.
I think there's some inranium toyour enrich there, Belton.

(02:24:02):
Yeah, I think I I'm on board with Belton for sure.
Oliver of the right position. Oliver of the right position,
right? Heck, Baron Sorrell has he has
the potential to maybe become. Yeah, yeah, it's true.

(02:24:28):
Honestly, just because it'd be really awesome to keep this
train moving that Green Bay has another seventh round offensive
lineman that enriched uranium like, like she did right, you
get John. Oh, yeah, there we go.
We can make this top top row that enriched uranium folks

(02:24:49):
Musgrave get. Out of here, it's like, it's
kind of like. Musgrave, Runaway, Grab Sorrell
and Oliver. Where's Oliver?
Yeah, I put in Oliver ahead of John Williams.
Yeah, you should probably put Sorrell ahead of him too,
honestly. Ahead of John Williams.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah.There we go.

(02:25:14):
I like it. I'm.
Actually putting no more Jordan Morgan ahead of Luke Musgrave,
Yes. Yes.
And Donovan Jennings ahead of Jacob Monk.
I would put Bullard out of Musgrave too, and maybe Morgan.
I know exactly where I'm puttingBullard.
Bullard is going right in between Jennings and Jacob Monk.

(02:25:34):
That's where he belongs. Whatever you want.
Isaiah Simmons I put Ahead of Japan.
Bullard. No, Isaiah Simmons is old.
Yeah, and Javon, too old for enriched uranium.
Drew well, you speak for us all.We are losing hope on most
grief. Honestly, no.

(02:25:54):
Some of us have. Never had help to begin.
With I'm at. I'm at past tense.
Some of us never had help from Iliked him more his rookie season
with the Packers than I ever liked him with the prospect.
And then it's just been done. He was the he was the tight end,
Christian Watson, literally. I thought in the offseason was
it? Was it one year ago?

(02:26:15):
Two years ago. So he was drafted in 23.
Offseason after so then the 2024offseason.
So that was a year ago. I think was the highest that I
got on him at any point because I was trying to figure out who
else could be a field stretcher besides.
Yeah. Watson and I thought maybe since

(02:26:38):
we're so desperate to stretch the field, maybe Musgrave.
Is is that? He's about as far as I've got
him. That's fair.
Well, it feels good. I think this is about right man.
I think we've done it. All right, I want let's each
pick two guys that we hope we are wrong on.

(02:27:00):
OK. I got I, I got one guy I hope
we're wrong on. I hope after all the crap
talking that I've done, I hope Kenny Clark just balls out.
I would love to eat my work perfect.
Yep, 5%. Here it says Cooper, you can't
be mad that percent. Enriched.
Uranium, you can't be mad about it.

(02:27:22):
He would be all the way on the left.
He's all the way on the left. I I would have it.
Cooper, I'll. Be in the left.
Cooper Wicks, Oladapo, Van Ness would be my would be my for in
that order for sure. Cooper's at like 90% Wicks.
Is that like? What is that like?
It's so tough, though, because if Cooper maximizes everything

(02:27:44):
that Cooper can be versus if VanNess maximizes everything Van
Ness can be, it's not even close.
I agree. I agree, but probably also don't
agree, right? You know what I'm saying?

(02:28:04):
So, all right, I'm saying one ofmy guys that I hope I'm wrong on
is Kenny Clark. No, I don't know what you mean.
You said you said it's not even close between the two, which I
agree, but I think we have the different order of not even
close. Oh yeah, I see what you're that
doesn't even make sense. You're saying an off ball
linebacker maximizing what he can be versus a defensive end

(02:28:26):
with the. Versus stiff boy with the.
Yes. Physical attributes of JJ Watt.
No, no. He's not stiff, you are high.
He's stiff. He's stiff like his buddy Luke
on the other side of the ball. You are high.
You're you're letting your Luke Musgrave hate infect your

(02:28:47):
perception of Van Ness because of the Lucas name.
You think Koi Walker is too high?
Hey, Drew, where do we have him?We have a reliable starter.
I think he's a reliable starter.Like by definition like it.
I mean, like we we said. Reliable starter was like the
top 25 off ball linebackers. Do you feel like he drew?

(02:29:11):
Do you feel like he belongs in atier with those guys in in
orange there? I'm telling you, man, there's
people. Feel like he belongs with those
guys. And people love Shawn Ryan.
Like, I just don't feel like he belongs with those guys.
I mean, we put a rookie in thereand the reliable starter group,

(02:29:35):
right? But Drew, you're saying he's
average at best You're but you're OK.
But I think you mean he's an average starter, not he's an
average player because average players don't get to start.
Quay Walker is deserving of being a starting linebacker.
Yes, if we cut him, there's beenmultiple teams calling.

(02:29:55):
Back they. Want him to come because there's
there's been multiple teams calling him up it's.
Going to be like. It's going to.
Be like the corner position whenJA is healthy, it's like, oh, we
got Cooper, but then what? It's like, Oh no, we have a
problem. Colin Oliver is playing
linebacker now only. You haven't given me a player

(02:30:17):
yet that you hope you're wrong. On that, I hope I'm wrong on
Jordan Morgan be a great one. That would be a a great one.
Just takes over for Rasheed and ends up in the green.
That'd be super awesome. I kind of also hope I'm wrong on
Nate Hobbs. I hope Nate Hobbs comes in, as
that'd be sick. Fantastic.

(02:30:38):
Yeah, that'd be. I don't think there's any shred
of a chance that that happens, but.
I don't think he'll join like like I think he could join Sheed
perhaps, but. Arias keeps talking about Walker

(02:31:03):
and I keep thinking he means Rasheed Walker, but he means
quit Walker. Right, right.
I think this is about right. So you got, let's see, I said
Kenny Clark and Nate Hobbs. You said Jordan Morgan, who's
the other guy? Like Anthony Belton would sure
be nice to, Yeah. But I don't feel like that's

(02:31:24):
wrong yet. He's a rookie.
If in a year we're still there, then it's kind of like, well,
the I hope I'm but Jordan Morganfeels good.
Oh, I know I got a great one. Go to the top.
I hope I'm wrong about where I where I would have put love.

(02:31:48):
Yeah. That's what I would say.
And I'm really I I. Hope I'm wrong about where I
would put love right now. I would make you I, I'd make you
a bet actually, that that JordanLove is where I have him, not
where you have him. OK, what do we?
Got 'cause you said Jordan love for you is like here, right?

(02:32:12):
Probably, yeah. And I'm saying he is like right
here, OK, like almost all the way into All Pro.
The puzzle piece is almost, yeah, the like just dipping a
puzzle piece. Yeah, Gotcha.
Yeah, which if you're, if you'relistening to audio only, this is

(02:32:33):
a bad episode to do audio only. If you're doing audio only, I'm
sorry. And you're like, he's, so you're
saying he's got a tow into Elite?
Yeah, 'cause Elite is lower thanAll Pro.
So we're saying he's almost all the way in all All Pro, but
there's Tow that's still in Elite instead of All Pro.
Yeah. Ayers wants it to be known that

(02:32:54):
Edrin Cooper is higher, right? Let the record show that Ayers.
I don't, I mean, I don't mind that I, I could put them in
green and I'd feel OK. I'd feel very OK about it.
Drew said next year Jordan Love is going to have his own
category. Here's the thing that could be
good or bad. Well.

(02:33:15):
Yeah. Because I don't think a year
from now we're going to. Back to the uranium well.
A year from now, do you Jake, would you say one year from now?
Yeah, what's up? That there's any conceivable
reality where we would, if we had like a Hall of Fame tear,
that there's any player other than Jordan Love who could

(02:33:36):
possibly be. That.
Just feel like he's like there, he's just been.
The body of work is, I just don't know a year from now if
the body of work is going to be enough for us to say, like Hall
of Fame at right tackle. Don't.

(02:33:59):
Care what? Move to left tackle and I'm
sold. Moving to left tackle, I'm sold.
Sure, but I don't care which tackle position.
Ayers wants to know where we could have McKinney a year from
now. A year from now, I think OK, so
like I was I wanted him in as low as green, as high as like
maybe all Pro, but I don't know that I think he's.

(02:34:20):
Gonna may I say I would like to,I think the elite category has
maybe put only one guy in all pro because I think we placed
McKinney before he made this elite tier.
And so I think he was again a guy who I had closer.
To I'm not taking love out of All Pro.
No, you don't have to I. If you want to take McKinney out

(02:34:41):
and put him in a lead, I'm OK with that.
No, that's fine. And then for me it'd be only one
guy at the top. As I said, I I had two on our
initial tiers that were up thereso.
If the O line does their job. I mean, this should be really
good guys. Period.
And if the wide receivers get their heads out of there, you

(02:35:03):
know what's I think Jordan Love is going to be solidly in the
MVP discussion for the entire season.
And I think a lot of that could come from our guy Mac and cheese
up here. Oh, third craft, Yeah.
So. Yeah, I got no problem with
that. Yeah.

(02:35:25):
Moving McKinney down to Elite from All Pro feels better.
This feels better. Having four guys in Elite and
only two in All Pro feels better.
Yeah, or five and one, as they might say.
Yeah, we could do 5. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
If anything, we're moving Whelanup there to the promised land.

(02:35:49):
I got no problem with moving to Whelan up there, but I lean
toward Devante Wyatt as well. I'm not doing it, but I'm
leaning it Leaning. I got no problem with putting.
So we said like top six, right for Whelan, for punter.
I think he's in that 6 to 8 range.
Yeah, that's where I would, which is which.

(02:36:10):
Is like, great, not elite, Yeah.Probably because AJ Cole,
really, that guy is at the top. There's Dixon.
There's some good Hunter's in the league.
There are. And most of the really good
punters are former Packers. Did you notice that every time
you look at those lists? Yeah, Bohorquez continues to be

(02:36:30):
really good. Of course, JK Scott was
excellent. Continues to be great, continues
to be great. It pissed me off no end that we
cut JK Scott and then we cut Corey Bohorquez and I just lost
my mind. JJ Is there a common denominator
with, you know, with those punters?
Can't be, can't be, right? Yeah, crappy special teams

(02:36:53):
units, crappy special teams coaches.
Well, a certain team that doesn't prioritize special teams
players, yeah. A certain player who's involved
in the exchange, perhaps? Ayers says we gave up on Scott
too soon. That is so true.
And the narratives, the fan narratives, and I blame the
Youtubers and the podcasters, the fan narratives around JK

(02:37:15):
Scott were so stupid. They were the football IQ
surrounding the discussions thatwere had around JK Scott.
The football IQ was not even room, room temperature.
It was so dumb. Yes.
Look at the net punting yards. Do you hear yourself?
Like that's just. Coverage unit too.

(02:37:37):
Coverage. You got to do stuff for net
punting yards too. You know what I'm?
Saying and then people people griping about JK Scott as a
tackler. That was when my eyes started to
twitch. Do you remember that people?
I don't about JK Scott as funny tackler.
That's so funny. Oh it made me so mad.
'Cause they watched Pat McAfee hit stick a guy once.

(02:37:58):
Oh, he's such a bad tackler. Yeah, you see some punters get
one of them got kicked in the face once.
Well, and it was also it was also a clip of an old clip of
Mason Crosby making a tackle too.
Oh, and. The one where he forced the
fumble? Yeah, and, and you know what
this all came from? First of all, JK Scott, I think

(02:38:20):
he only had, there were only twoplays where people wanted him to
make a tackle. And he, you know, tried and
failed to make a tackle. And I kept it it, it made me so
mad. Why in the world do you care if
your punter can make a tackle? How about there's ten other guys
on the field, of course, supposed to make sure you know,

(02:38:41):
you know who doesn't have to do any tackling?
Most punters in the NFL. Correct.
Most punters in college footballtoo.
Punters don't have to make a lotof tackles.
Correct. You got to be on a pretty crappy
special teams unit for us to care whether you're a good punt
tackler as a punter. Yeah.

(02:39:01):
People were trashing McKinney when there was that long run
just because he was the last guyto stop it, but couldn't.
Yeah, true. People are stupid is what it is.
All right, Jake, I feel like we have beaten this list to death.
I think. I think this that's about all
she wrote. Yep.
So we'll have to screenshot this, revisit it, oh, I don't

(02:39:23):
know, halfway through the seasonand then at the end of the
season and, and. And we'll see what, some uranium
halfway through. Who are you the most excited to
move out of enriched uranium? I mean it's.
I mean, it's only one correct answer.
I think like like most excited, no, but like ready to do so is

(02:39:44):
Cooper, but most excited is Wix.I mean, no, no shade to Oladapo,
but Wix is. I would love to move him out of
there. Like Cooper's kind of like being
nudged out the door already, butlike Wix would just love for him
to just kind of break the door down essentially.

(02:40:08):
That would be excellent to see. It's Wix for me too.
I mean, it's it's not, it's it'ssuch an easy answer.
Yeah, but but the guy who moves,moves it, you know, the needle
the most if it happens. Like the the guy who should be
celebrating the most if it worksout is Van Ness, obviously.

(02:40:32):
Yeah, yeah, if it happens, certainly.
But I'll be really excited to move Wix out of there when it
happens. When?
Yeah. You know who else we should be
excited about JJ is Mr. Ed policy should be very excited
about him because next Monday isis Ed Policy day.

(02:41:02):
We we we deemed the last Monday in June at policy day.
It's close enough to the fourth.You can get your party started
early, right. You know, if you're kind of like
a little hesitant about it, whatever or another excuse to,
you know, to break out the grillto break out, you know, crack

(02:41:24):
some cold redacted energies. I have AI brought a canned water
just because there were leftoverstuff from from boating this
past weekend. But like break it all out
summer, especially for like us, you know, the midwesterners, the
Packer fans, right? This is your time.
It's late June, break it out if you haven't already, right?

(02:41:48):
We shouldn't have. We are sick and tired.
We shouldn't have to tell you late June being Chicago Bears
season. Yeah, no more.
They don't get to celebrate an offseason, either.
You guys can, you guys can have March.
All right, enjoy your March, Chicago Bears.
But we're taking June back because it's Ed policy.
Week, yeah, Ed, Policy week and America week.

(02:42:13):
Love that. OK.
So do that next week Monday and we're going.
To we're going to do it we're. Going to be checking in.
We're going to do it because we're going to be here.
We're going to be here Monday night, 715 Lambo time, not
Tuesday night. OK, so you show up Tuesday
night, you can watch, but you'regoing to be watching a 24 hour

(02:42:36):
old live stream recording and you know, unless you have a time
travel thing, we can't react to your comments.
So sorry. Maybe I'll be here Monday, June
30th, 715 Ed policy Day. Bring your beer, bring your
beverage, bring your grilled meats, bring your smoked

(02:42:59):
cheeses, bring your green and yellow fireworks, bring your Ed
policy mask, bring your State Farm Insurance policy.
Whatever you need to bring. Am fam, am fam.
We are going to celebrate in style.
We're going to have a good time.In the words of the late, great
Mr. Ed Policy himself, Just in time, Fred.

(02:43:24):
Policy Day. Go, pack.
Go.

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