Will the Packers Pitch a Shutout vs. Cleveland Browns?

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. Spirit ran low and then it hit
me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. But the fan started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took. Now the line.
If I told you I could bare the thought seen in a chance some
soccer team got. No need for a Viking to borrow a
tune. I choose out the power of the

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frozen monsoon. The apps did you acrylic?
Did you viral? Mine.
But that's not my policy. These words are mine here.
Go back gold. Go back gold.
Go back gold, go back, go. Did you hear that?

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She's head spit. Go back, go.
He was hot up and loud screaminggo back, go said, you know we
ain't no choir. Go back, go.
So we shouted so loud. Go back, go, go back.

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Go Yeah. Go back.
Go back. Welcome back to derailed.

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I am very nervous because once Ipressed start all of a sudden I
started having Bluetooth issues,so we'll see if I can even do
this. This seems like it's like faded
to not happen. All right, first we had to
reschedule for an hour late justbecause it just happens
sometimes and that's fine. And then, you know, Jake got

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lost on his way to the recordingstudio and I'm chopping it up
here with the folks in the chat.And finally, I'm like, you know
what? I I'm gonna, I'm gonna go live
solo. I press go live.
And instantly, as though he was waiting for me to do so it says
the draft robot has entered the chat.
So I do have our Mark Murphy minute, which we're going to

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lead off with. I did not miss it.
Very important. But also boys, it's Micah
Parsons season always folks, Let's go.
Gorgeous. That's amazing.
I love it. I love it.
That's great. I like I like your.
Do you like my new display name on here?

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Mr. Derailed. I do.
No, no, below that, below that. Oh, oh, Adrian sees.
I'm, I'm on. I'm on the train.
You're on the train. I'm on the train.
Well done. I told you I needed to see him
do it in year 2 and I'm there now.
I'm a I'm a believer. All of us derailers, we were in
a chat together and we're like, no, well, you know what?

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We're we're, we're, we're going to hold the train or we're going
to add a stop to make sure. I appreciate it.
I appreciate it. He's going to get on with us.
I know he's going to get on withus.
Just give it some time. We'll make it a couple extra
stops, but then we'll be full speed ahead when JJ joins us.

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I appreciate it. I think I deserve it because
I've been, you know, I've been holding it down here in Carl,
Brookstown, Devante, Wyatt Town.It's been rewarded.
I don't think there was anybody left at Colby Wooden station
except for Colby Wooden himself and.
And I guess Jeff Haffley and holy crap, like, as well.

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Yeah. I mean, Jake, do you think that
it would be inaccurate to say that Kenny Clark to Colby Wooden
in Green Bay has been no worse than a lateral move for 2025?
It's been surprising, but yeah, it I think that's that's the
truth at this point, I mean. There was anybody we were like

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completely out on on this defensive roster.
Who? Holy moly.
Yeah, we, I mean, well done Auburn.
I don't know where he was on ourbig old deer.
He was saying it was No, he he was, he was at the bottom of the
bottom. He was in the he was in the fry
cook territory. Yeah, yeah.

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You know, Drew said it's a wash.You know, here's the nicest
thing that we could say about Kenny Clark was that he ate up a
ton of snaps. And like Colby Wooden's doing
that. Yeah.
So absolutely. I mean, I think that there were
some people who might have generously said like, oh, well,
Kenny really knows the playbook or whatever.

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And to that I would say, OK, well then maybe he should stay
in his in his lane and plug his gap.
Of his own freelancing. He doesn't get his own every
week. He's like, this thing.
This thing got delivered overnight.
It's overnight Saturday. Like this is my playbook.
I'm he sent it to the print shophimself.

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Yeah, I'm doing this. It's like who sent me?
He made it in. He made it in Google Docs, and
he designed the cover of it in Canva.
Yeah. There you go.
OK. Are you ready for our Mark
Murphy minute? So this is where this is where I
bring you some some news from the world.
It could be pop culture, it could be World News, it could be

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political news. And I'm going to tell you how
it's how it's relevant. Well, I guarantee you don't know
which direction I'm you. You should bring your own Mark
Murphy minute news to this segment, OK.
So I will. I'll go after you.
All right, this is a good one. OK, President Trump is planning

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to file a $15 billion lawsuit against the New York Times.
Yeah, over reporting and a book that allegedly mischaracterizes
how the Trump Organization acquired its wealth, $15 billion

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is what he's seeking. Incidentally, that's about what
it's going to cost for the Chicago Bears to buy out Ryan
Pole's contract when they replace him with a new GM this
offseason or sooner, as they will certainly need to do things
I think I think great in the Windy City.

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Yeah, I think even if you were optimistic on the Bears and I
was kind of more of like I couldI can see, you know, Ben Johnson
making this offense go better. The problem is, is I think we
kind of agreed, JJ if things were going to go well, there
were one pick away from LovelandHenderson being us in the draft,

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right, of like this is clearly like Ben is like steering
things, at least when it comes to the draft.
He is steering things where he wants to go, right.
I think that was I I, it felt like that was the case of like,
OK, they're trying to he's trying to find his LaPorte.
He's trying to find, you know, he wanted his Gibbs in in in
Trayvon. Henderson didn't get him says OK
I'll try to get like this guy who maybe moves like DJ Morin is

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a lot cheaper and and maybe you get some Almond Ross stuff out
of him. We'll see right and and OK yeah
I'll go get kind of a hammer of a back who's who's done some
nice things at Rutgers and Menonguy like I'm going to build the
offense go get a left potential left tackle right all these
things no guarantees but you youfelt like OK Ben is steering
this train and it's like OK wellwhy is Poles getting an
extension? What has he showed you to this

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point of deserving it? And it's like that, that feels
like a, a serious, like, you know, you, you go to the college
route, which we've, we obviouslydo on here plenty.
Oh yeah. Like, oh, all right, so what's
the buy out like? That's immediately I think what
you're thinking. We were probably both thinking
it a little bit after the extensive like, all right, what
are where are the boosters? What's what's the buy out plan?

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This goes horribly. Like, that's George Mccaskey.
Is is. Trying to schmooze up his
friends looking 1st and here yougo.
Some favors here. Get to Starlington Heights and I
might be able to buy him out, you know, just saying.
I mean, it's been well documented since Ryan Pole's
first offseason in Chicago that I hate everything about how he's

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does his job. I think he's a terrible GM, one
of the worst in the NFL. I've never seen somebody do so
little with so much. When you look at the draft
capital, the salary cap space, he is absolutely awful at
turning the capital he has into good players on the field.
I I'm sure you have all seen this.

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Colson Loveland on Sunday, 0 receptions.
Luther Burden, 0 receptions, second round pick, left tackle,
healthy scratch, second round pick, defensive tackle, healthy
scratch and Ryan Pole's contractextended.

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But it's been hilarious to me because of all of the Bears fans
who have argued with me till they're blue in the face about
how he's secretly elite and how I'm just a hater.
And like, no, look, you guys, you're feeling it now and you're
seeing that this roster is in a bad shape despite the fact that

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they've had so much resources towork with.
This defensive roster is in verybad shape.
And we talked about it a couple weeks ago.
And it's like, look, there's nobody good on defense except
for Javon Dexter and Jalen Jones, Jalen Johnson.
Jalen Jones. Jalen Johnson like that's it.
The rest of the of the defensiveroster is bad.

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You have 130 year old safety whois OK.
He's trying. He's hardest out there.
Try the hardest. And that and that's it.
Your pass rushers stink. Edwards is.
One of your linebackers is OK, the other one stinks, Edwards.
All of your remaining cornerbacks stink.
Even Kyler Gordon when he's healthy, not that good.

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So that you. And him with run fits on you
know. In the last five quarters of
football that they played, I want I think that the the stat
was that they had given up like 700 / 700 yards of offense and
seven touchdowns or something like that. 73 points the last
five quarters for their defense,73.

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And and then they got campbelledand like, you know, I don't I'm
not here to crap on the Lions, but you saw what this Lions
offense looked like against the Packers defense.
And then they dropped a 50 burger burger the very next week
on the Bears defense. And you know, like, OK, that's

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one piece of data. Like, let's just set aside our
analysis of what their defensiveroster looks like, which is
terrible. Another piece of it of
information that we can look at is, hey, JJ McCarthy carved them
up and and then look what happened to him and that offense

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when they faced kind of a a mediocre Falcons defense.
Like it's. It's not.
Awesome. It's not great, but yeah, they
they add some a defense that's like the rookies are making
plays, right, Which is not something you're like, you know,
oh, we we need these guys to make plays right away.
If that's the case and that's, you know, that's on you for not

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building a good defense that can, you know, ease rookies in,
but they're actually playing pretty well.
Some of these rookies are for Atlanta, but still like that's
not a defense where I'm going. Oh, we put up six point, like
it's not great and and you give up 21 in that fourth quarter.
If you're the Chicago Bears and your calling card is elite
defenses and then you see that your defense basically got dog

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walked by a kind of floundering offense that got shut down by
Atlanta's and you had to start comparing your defense to
Atlanta's and you're already feeling bad at the offense.
It's a bad spot to be in. Yeah, Chris, it's.
Not great. Wants to know would we trade

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Malik for a second round pick from Cincinnati and then bring
El Grismo up from the practice squad?
There's other quarterbacks out there in the ether who I would
go acquire before I play Taylor El.
Grismo. But I did post on social media
that a second round pick is whatit would take for me to move

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Malik Willis. Now does that mean that I think
Malik is worth a second round pick?
No, it means that in this seasonwhere this is clearly a Super
Bowl caliber team that we have, you're going to have to make me
an offer. I can't refuse to make it worth
it for me to dink around lookingfor a quality backup quarterback

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to to to offer me less than a second round pick.
I'm sorry for you, Cincinnati, that that your season is in the
shape that it is. It's not my problem.
I'm hanging up the. Phone.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I, I don't,I, I, yeah, I'm not.

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I'm not going to worry about that.
I think since he's probably justgoing to carry on for the most
part, they've they've had Browning fill in before, right?
I mean, if if truly if they're just trying to like build up
hope that Burrows coming back and he's actually not in late
December, like then yeah, then Idon't there's no reason to

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forego capital that you could use to spend on anybody on
defense to help you. Listen, if you want to send,
send a second over. I mean, OK, but like, you know,
help your defense out over there, help your offensive line
out, draft people who don't, youknow, and again, I don't Burrow
is is still the guy who holds onto it as long as he can to try
to make a play, which is totallyfine.
Like that's part of his game. But also like the I, I, I know

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people are going to look elsewhere just besides offensive
line, but that interior offensive line stinks.
It's so bad. And like Orlando Brown's getting
overpaid and Amerius and Mimus hasn't done much.
Like their tackle situation isn't good either.
So I mean, I don't fix it. Fix the problem.
This will be third season where he's not finishing it.
Like I, I don't know what else to say about about Cincinnati at

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this point. Like if I will say if Burrow can
come back in late December, I, Ithink there's actually a chance
they could be like 7 and seven by the time he returns to the
final three games. Like JJ, there is a stretch in
there where they're playing Steelers, Jets, Steelers, Bears,
Patriots, and it's like that's A5 game stretch of winnable

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games. Like they've got Denver in a
couple weeks. Like their defense didn't look
great. I know that Cynthia's going to
be a turnstile, but like and company can do enough like they
I know that if Carson wins next week, right?
Like I, I know Soda's defense could give Browning headaches,
but like none of these games arenone of those things are like
unwinnable, right? They do they do finish.

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Browning is probably going to get toasted when they go Ravens,
Bill's Ravens right before Barrow gets back.
But like I I and Detroit and Green Bay are going to be tough
for them with a backup QB. But like.
They're not. I don't think they can beat the
Steelers. I don't think they can beat the
Steelers. I don't think so.
So bad, their defense is so bad.They got Torrey Horton and and

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Garrett Wilson scored on the same play.
Pittsburgh had no answer for. I, I can't believe I saw that
like that. Those were both early game
touchdowns on the same play. Somebody shared that today.
I can't. I can't believe how much they're
getting pushed around out there.I mean, you saw Pittsburgh, you
know, Breece Hall lit them up and then the Bills said, no,
absolutely, that's not happeningto us.

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And it's just kind of like wild,like, you know, we were kind of
wondering if the like all the overreaction takes were like,
kind of like other Jets offense good or is the Steelers defense
bad? And it turns out, you know, the
Niners allowing like 10 yards on12 carries for Ken Walker.
Now it turns out Walker's fine. San Francisco might have had a
good game plan because they've they know that offense, right?

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They know Clint Kubiak's offense.
They know what they're going to try to run in Pittsburgh.
I I did they watch any they watched Seattle last week.
Did they watch like, do they know?
Not know? Like, hey, you know, we're we're
coming in running the football. They look surprised.
I don't. So I don't know Pittsburgh.
I mean, would I take Aaron and hopefully when Harmon comes back

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and all that, like that gets a little better, Would I take them
over Cincinnati? Probably sure.
Do I think it can still be a toss up for them?
Yeah, kind of because I'm not sure what Pittsburgh's going to
be so like, I mean. If if those two teams are
playing like like this next week, I think you would expect
it to be a shootout between those two teams.
And so my question is like, is Jake Browning capable of winning

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a shootout? I just I'm I'm going to go.
Probably not. Probably not.
Probably not. Yeah, I but I do think it's it's
again fluky things have happened.
They shouldn't be to a no. I don't know what's going on
with them. I have no clue how they're two
and O at this point. Very Mandela Effect.

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Last week I was listening on thepods, people saying like they're
O and one because it felt like they should have been.
And so everybody was like running with that.
And it was kind of like, oh, wait a minute, no, they won the
game somehow, and it did it again.
Yeah, they're, they're the only and it's because of the, because
of the Joe Burrow injury, they're the only two and O team
in the NFL that you can get plusmoney on to make the playoffs.

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Everybody else's. It is truly crazy out there.
Two and O, like they should be like, oh, we're O and two and
now we've got Minnesota, Denver,Detroit, Green Bay.
We're cruising to that top five pick.
We're going to take the best offensive lineman.
We're going to help fix this issue.
And it's like, no, actually likeyou're in the kind of this weird
in between right now of like, I mean, we're two and O.

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The locker room's ready to presson type of thing.
Let's get Borough back here in late December.
It's very weird, very weird situation.
Like I, yeah, it, it's, it is what it is.
It it's, it's such a strange deal for them.
Did you have anything else for your mark?
Murphy Minute because I I have alittle something something.

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Yeah. No, I, I wanted to hear your,
your Mark Murphy minute before we get to a couple of these
comments. So we've done college stuff
here. We haven't done it, you know, as
recently because we, you know, we've kind of been on the
Packers train a lot and and you guys have have ate that up.
But Dabo Sweeney send a message to his haters today if.
I didn't see this. I didn't see this.

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Yes, yes, yes. He went on some rants today.
I I encourage folks who are interested in that to go go look
these up. They're nuts.
Is this on on his radio show? No, this was this was in front
of the mic today. I Oh my gosh.
Wild. But here's one of the quotes.
But if they want me gone, they can send me on my way.

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If they're tired of winning, they can send me on my way.
I won't stop. I'm 55.
I'll go somewhere else and win. I ain't going to the beach.
We've won this league, conference, league, whatever
eight of the last 10 years. Is that good?
I've got a long memory in case y'all don't know he he.

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Went he went. He's really proud of winning
that crappy. Conference out, Yeah, he crashed
out. He's like, yeah, we won this
crappy conference that SMU is a runner up in type of thing.
This. Crappy conference that we that
we keep trying to leave, by the way, because we know they're.
Crappy, right? Right.
Yeah, yeah, Honestly, honestly, it it it gives me great pleasure

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to know Clemson's one and two. I was worried that I was going
to be hate watching all year while they're running through
undefeated because Brian Kelly can never win an opening game,
you know, type of thing. Like he just, he's terrible at
those, especially at LSU. And I was like, ah, they're just
going to March through this bad conference.
I have to wait all the way to December for some for some joy
and Clemson losing. Nope.

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Face Dabo. Enjoy being 1:00 and 2:00.
You got to be by Georgia Tech. Sit down.
It's been a great, it's been a great start to the season for
you as well because you hate Notre Dame and they are O and
two and almost certainly out of the out of the playoffs hunt.
You know, they were, they were my number 2 preseason #2 team

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behind Oregon. I, I was never really in on the
Texas hype that much. You know, there's the, the, the
Texas lost a lot of talent to the NFL and I've never been an
arch man and believer, but NotreDame was my number two team in
the country behind Oregon. And now, like, they are going to
have to be praying that USC is undefeated by the time they play

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them because there's nobody elseleft on that schedule who's
going to bail them out. They're going to need to be A10
and two team with a win over a very good USC team in order to
get in the playoffs. And like frankly, USC is not
going to bail them out. That's their only lifesaver and
it's not going to happen. Although I will say that the

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next three games for USC is Michigan State something and
Michigan, Illinois, oh, is it Illinois, Michigan State,
Illinois and OK, so you know, I would support them going 3 and
OUSC going 3 and OI. Would not that would that would
be. Or at least three and O if they

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go 2 and one. One and two personally.
If they. Beat Michigan, please.
And then, you know, do whatever.That's priority one.
I OK, yeah, do whatever you. Want with Michigan State,
they'll lose to Illinois. Thanks.
Yukon plays Rhode Island this weekend.
Oh heck yeah. Now that, now we're.
Talking Citgo's committee. Versus Rhode Island.
This is a, This is a border war.This is the type of thing we

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want. Yes, but is it, Here's a
question I have because I have been to almost every state in
the Union and I have not been toRhode Island and I'm going to be
honest, I have not really spent a lot of time looking at Rhode
Island on the map. Do you, does does Connecticut
and Rhode Island, do those two states actually touch each other
or is there water separating them like it's called an island.

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I I really have not spent any time looking at it on the map.
Is it actually an island or is it That's interesting as a
geography buff, I feel like I should know, but I oh man, is it
an I don't. I don't think it's.
I don't think so. I think I only have 6 states
left to go to, or seven states Igot to go to still, and
shockingly Rhode Island is one of them.

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I'm sure there are islands. Nobody in the chat knows either.
Somebody's furious like. Rhode Island obviously is next
to Massachusetts, right? You got Cape Cod, I think to the
east kind of of Rhode Island. So I'm sure there are
collections of islands in there.I don't know why it's called
that. I, I can't imagine it's, it's,
there's just simply no way between Massachusetts and

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Connecticut that it's, that it'sactually actually like
completely an island. So I I can't imagine that's the
case. That'd be very strange.
All right, I want to hit just a couple comments, maybe, maybe
only maybe only two before we talk some some Browns football.
Because here's the thing we got.We had to get a really late

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start because of all the scheduling stuff that that
happened. And so we don't have much time
tonight. And I will tell you, I don't
think the Venmo payments are gonna are gonna be enough to
keep Missus Leahy from wanting to go to bed on time.
So, but maybe, maybe, you know, there's this new espresso

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machine that she's been wanting to get.
So, you know, maybe if you put espresso in the in the Venmo
note, then she'll let us stay up.
But but we're gonna have to chomp through this pretty
quickly. So I, I wanna hit Coach Len.
Where is all the 12 personnel with Comet and Loveland?
The question we were all wondering because some of us

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thought, hey, Commet's not much good for like a ton, but we
could have him block and let Coulson go run some routes.
And I mean, is there any other answer in the city of Chicago
besides crickets? There's no I, I don't understand

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you. You draft this guy 10th.
What are you doing? Are you admitting defeat?
That would be tough for my brandand also for yours, Chicago.
Come on, two weeks in two weeks,and we're not giving up yet.
We're not, no. No, no, Tucker craft, if you
remember mid season 2023, the blocking stuff, all that craft
was struggling. Not a position that you're

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looking for immediate, you know,instant gratification
necessarily. I again Bowers special case
receiver sharpest player at at quote UN quote tight end I've
ever seen. You know, Pitts athletic freak
doing all that stuff. LaPorte had a good season,
right. He enters a great offense.
Now this offense should be you know, I've I've been told this

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offense should be very good. So what's the deal now?
Rome is Rome is cooking, and that's that's of no surprise.
He's like the only bright spot for the offense.
I would say if you had a #2 bright spot, it would be that
there are bigger problems with the offense than Caleb Williams,
if that would be your number 2. And that's not like a ringing

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endorsement of what Caleb's Caleb's been doing because he's
been really bad, but he has not been the worst part of the he's
he's like, he's top three but not top 2 worst things going on
with this offense. So.
Yeah, I, yeah, I'm, I'm just surprised again.
I know like Indy's interesting because they've they've gotten

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worn in a lot of really good spots of like for him to
produce, like they're giving hima lot of what he was good at.
And it's like, yeah, absolutely.OK.
Best play caller reportedly in the league.
Hey, you got this guy. Like what's up here?
Give him, get him the ball like I don't.

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It's almost like there's more tobeing a head coach than just
calling plays, and when the restof your team is sucking, kind of
takes some of your folks away. Does he have to pull a battle
floor and start calling defensive plays?
You know, you know, because of Dennis Allen, I don't know.
You know that's it's a good question, right?
I know that the the city of New Orleans is chuckling watching

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the Bears. I'm.
Sure they are. Yeah, seriously.
I I was not gonna do like a bunch of questions, but there's
one here that I can't ignore because it's just baffling to me
and I love you AFAM, but I'm trying to figure out what the
heck this comment means, he says.
Can we have Musgrave's surgeon on the show?

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He's looking better question mark.
First of all, did Musgrave have a surgery that I forgot about?
I. Don't know, he had a couple
probably. I don't think he's looking
better. I think he's looking absolutely
freaking horrible. Did you?
So he, we had that drive where he caught 2 passes where they're
running, they're running 12 personnel because the offensive

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line is just getting their buttsbeat.
Especially our right guard offensive line is getting their
butts beat. So we got Tucker Kraft in to
chip and Luke Musgrave goes out and like barely catches a couple
of passes for something like 22 yards, something like that.
And then that Dr. culminates with, I can't remember, it was a

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turnover on downs or a field goal.
But we marched down to the end zone and everybody on offense
minus Tucker Craft is doing a scramble drill.
I'm sorry, not Tucker Craft, Luke Musgrave.
Luke Musgrave is not being covered and still can't get

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open. He's by himself, not doing
anything, just kind of like standing there not really
looking at Jordan. I'm, I'm, I don't ever want to
see Luke Musgrave on the field for the Green Bay Packers ever

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again. I would trade him to Chicago.
Hey, straight up Loveland for Musgrave any day.
No Musgrave for no, no, no I I don't know, Punter Turner.
No, no, we need, we need Loveland.
No, no, no, no. Just have somebody go back there
and catch punts. Just don't even run.

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Just go catch them. We should tell, we should tell
Poles that Musgrave is more athletic than.
Right, Right. Yes.
He's much faster, Right? He's like a gazelle in the open
fields. You don't ask Ben.
You got to go to Ryan. Don't ask Ben about what this
is. He's not the GM.
He doesn't get to field these calls.
So you got to call, you got to call.

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I believe they call him King Poles.
I don't know what he's he's got much of A domain, but I don't
even think he owns his own stadium.
I think Rogers does. So that's that's a problem, but.
Have you seen, have you seen thetweets over the last few years
of Bears fans posting pictures of Ryan Poles?
Just like the way he stands. So he stands there and he'll

(30:43):
have like your coat on or something like a kind of a
poorly fitting coat. And like, he's not the most buff
guy in the world. He's, I don't think that he
works out that much. I think that he likes to sit
there and watch his college tapeand, you know, eat his Donuts
while he's watching his college tape.
I think that's what makes him happy, which good for him, happy
for him. But he stands there.

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But he he stands with like a little bit of an angle and they
think it's the cool. Not anymore, not not since the
last two weeks, but prior to thelast two weeks they thought it
was the coolest thing in the world.
The way he stands and they just put pic post pictures of him
just standing and they're like oh our GM has aura yours

(31:25):
doesn't. He has aura but no wins.
That's a problem. You know what, I've been
watching a lot this week. There's a video clip I've
watched probably four or five times this past week.
It's the, it's the, it's the whole clip in entirety of we're
going to take the North and never give it back by polls.

(31:48):
Just listening to his like his thought process for his goals
with the team. And I'm like, I thought this
sounded stupid at the time, but there was like a little part of
me in the back of my head that'slike, man, it's gonna suck if
like his plans actually work. And then they have this clip and
they're like, look, we told you what we were gonna do.

(32:09):
But it it's just aged in. It's aged like cheese.
Yeah, yeah. Not the.
Good kind. For bears.
Fans anyway, but yeah, I I thinklike, yeah, Musgrave stuff
aside, like I think again, that's the the good thing about
what Musgrave does is yeah, he the the one thing bits aside for

(32:32):
a second, like he gets he gets the defense into a a a very you
know, in a spot where you can take advantage because of how
good Musgrave and craft are as linear athletes, right.
You go back to that vertical play, you know that where
they're running verts because Lafleur is a sicko.
He runs it. It's surprising how many times

(32:55):
it Lafleur is just running vertsfor I I love it honestly.
And, and you have the quarterback for it, but it, it
was a perfect call on the on thelong craft reception of like
they're in, they're matching youbecause you're in 12.
You have these two guys are going to threaten the scene.
Musgrave takes away the safety. There's no way Wagner can run
with craft, right? And obviously, and, and of

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course, Josh Jacobs running the swing rod to hold the
linebackers for a second. They're like that is it designs
nicely. And, and when you have that kind
of linear, you know that, that, that type of speed on the field,
especially with with with Kraft and Musgrave, you can do stuff
like that. And then that's what I think is
really exciting about it is Musgrave, you know, is going to
help you in that regard. And again, he, that was, that

(33:39):
was a nice sail route that he ran that he, that he, you know,
had the big play on on Thursday night as well, where it's like,
OK, you know, you're running thesail from the opposite hash, I
believe, if memory serves. And it's like, OK, like this is
going to be kind of a deep crossor we, it doesn't have to be
sharp. There's nothing, you know, we're
just running this like, and, and, and something's going to,
something's going to, to break open based on what they have

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called. So like I think using him in
that way will work. I, I, I, I do believe that will
work. I do think though it is, it'll
be interesting to see if it, if there's a team there, there is
one in mind. But if there's a team who isn't
interested in matching 12 with abunch of linebackers, right, and

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has a big nickel or third safety, they can trot out there
and see if see if they can stillmatch your numbers in the box
because of that, because Musgrave as a blocker isn't the
best, right? And then they can match.
Musgrave's NFC West, teams that could do that, and the and the
Eagles. I was thinking of the Bills as
well. They got their big nickel, Taron

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Johnson, who can kind of do thatas well.
Sure, there are teams that can kind of match that, so that'll
be interesting to see anybody. Yeah.
And the Eagles. So it'll be interesting to see
if anybody, yeah, I mean, gosh, Campbell might still be able to
run like Jihad. Campbell's having a great start
to the year. Surprise, surprise, Eagles got a
good player in the first round. I mean, there will be you.
You might have just listed off like the gauntlet that like, we

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got to play, you know, the Billsin the Super Bowl and on our way
to get to them, we got to get through the Eagles and one or
two NFC West teams. It'd be interesting if Hamilton
drops in the box for Baltimore team.
They play two days after Christmas right in in that sort
of scenario as well. Like they they're not super deep
at safety. So maybe that they can't make
that work. I don't, I don't know how much

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they trust their third guy because obviously Ardarius
Washington got hurt, right, But that'll be interesting for teams
who feel like they can be physical and athletic in a lot
of those situations is just see how how they match because
Musgrave, again, I think when, when you draft him, right, you
draft a player like Musgrave, you see the speed of the seam,

(35:51):
you see the size and you go, OK,you know, he's 6/5 or 6/6,
whatever it is and 2:52 or three, whatever it was in terms
of the size you go, OK, that's afilled out frame.
We fill out that frame. He should be able to block like
they we can, we can teach that. And you know, we're not drafting
a 230 LB guy that we know we can't what what do we do type of
thing. So I, I get the the vision was
there. I, I guess, and, and maybe he's

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maybe he's, he can get better, but it's it, it seems like he's
only going to be, you know, be able to take care of like
ancillary stuff, whereas like Kraft is seriously 1/6 offensive
lineman. So yeah, I, I think there
there's still a use, but it'll just again, be interesting where
teams who can kind of match thatwhile staying a little bit
smaller, kind of how that goes because again, Bobby Wagner

(36:35):
doing great stuff. He is somehow still hanging in
there at at his age in the league.
But you saw it. You saw the difference like
Musgrave is faster than craft and craft is out running him
like with with with with little worry of the seam, right.
And so, you know, you get to a team that has bond and and
Campbell, right, who can do someof that stuff and the jeans

(36:55):
going to be probably be matchingout the nickel.
And you know, that's that's what's fascinating about this
game is to see how teams can kind of respond to that and see
if Musgrave, you know, can step up.
It's year 3. So.
All right, we have to turn our attention to the Browns.
Before that, a quick announcement.
Matt Ramage is coming on next week.

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Yes, he is. Because next week it's Cowboys
week and Matt Ramage is going toMatt Ramage is going to come on
here and help us have a real good time.
So tell your friends, tell your neighbors, get everybody packed
in here. Tell.
Your friends, neighbors. Tell your neighbors, friends you
know. All that starting at the normal
time, Jake, if you're late, sorry, Matt, I'll just start.

(37:40):
No, we're just starting. No chance.
I'm going to be at 6:45, just sitting in here.
Maybe at 6:45 I'll just be chilling.
It's. Going to be a blast.
You know what's not a blast is being a Cleveland Browns fan.
So no, Jake, do you recall the last win that the Cleveland
Browns had that like was a real game, not a preseason game?

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When was the last time they won a football game?
How many losses in a row do theyhave?
Losses in a row dating back to last season.
Do they have more than Chicago? This is a serious question The.
Yeah, they do, because I don't know, because this number.
Is to be honest, because. Chicago beat us at Chicago beat
Green Bay. That's right.

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Thanks for setting that up though.
Dang it. Yeah, no, the the Browns are
currently on an 8 game losing streak.
Yeah, I was gonna guess like 10 I.
I they thought it. Was somewhere around there.
They beat the Steelers in their first match up against the
Steelers last year in like a onepoint win and and that was prior
to that win they had just had a horrific 8 game stretch where

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they went one and seven. So for those of you keeping
track, that means that they are two and 15 in their last 17
games. This is a bad team.
Their defense has some good players.

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Though their defense has some strengths, their offense kind of
sputters. So far this year they have put
up 17 points twice against the the Ravens.
Last week they lost 17 to 41. And the previous week, it was

(39:29):
the Bengals, wasn't it? 17?
Oh, yeah, 1716, Yeah. Yeah.
OK. So, yeah.
So they they didn't put up 17 points.
They put up 16 points that week.So.
So 1617 lost to the Bengals. Yeah.
Chris said her. We tried out Dorian Thompson.
Robinson from Cleveland. So yeah, it was initially

(39:51):
reported as a workout that it turned out it was just a visit.
I don't know why they did this. Doesn't make any sense to me.
DTR, despite the fact that he's got some.
People out there who love him, he's one of the worst
quarterbacks in the NFL right now.
And it's it's, it's really not debatable.
Not really sure what the what the play was with that.

(40:15):
Scrambler. Little bit of info been on the
Browns. I don't know.
I don't have anything. Else I will say, I will say I I
was like, I remember like, oh, they beat the Steelers.
That was the last win. That was in fact the snow globe
game. That was sick.
OK, That was sick. Also, Steelers came into that
game eight and two. Wow, I don't remember that.

(40:37):
Wow. I I didn't.
I yeah, those were crazy good, crazy good Steelers.
And it was like, Oh yeah, Justinfeels like one games and he's
like being benched or something like four and two or something
like that. And Wilson came in, did not
realize they were eight and two.I thought they had gotten to
like 6 or 6 and two I thought, but I did not think they were
that good. Yeah, that game was it was
Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson, who are now are both in

(41:02):
new. York, yes, That's crazy.
That is crazy, Yeah, insane. That's kind of when Judy started
to cook last year, the beginningof the I I believe.
But yeah, I mean. Mike Kawano says don't be

(41:24):
shocked if it's a slogan. Maybe you mean slow game for
Green Bay? Or a slog to get I.
Don't know, a slog. There you go.
A slog for Green Bay to get to 17 or 21 points in Cleveland.
I'm going to say if, if the if the red zone struggles continue
and the penalties and the mistakes continue, yeah, then I,

(41:46):
you know, certainly, certainly see that happening.
You know, I just realized there's something I've said to
like 15 different people this past week and I haven't said it
here to my audience here becauseit's been a week since we had a
stream yeah. So the Packers are two and O
right, pretty dominant wins over2 what I think are very, very

(42:09):
good NFC teams here. We.
Go. Yes.
Here we go. What?
I agree. I agree.
No, I know where this is going. I know.
Here here's what I'm saying. I've already thought of this, I
guarantee. These are like, this was 2
back-to-back kind of B games from the Packers.
Like there's a lot more to tap into.
Like you look at when you're watching the Packers beat up on

(42:31):
the Lions and beat up on the Commanders, you're not sitting
there going like, wow, man, the the Lions and the Commanders
suck. And you're also not going holy
moly, you know that like everything's just executing
Florida State for the Packers. You're like, this is just a
much, much better Packers team than than the teams they're
playing against right now. And they have a lot of room for

(42:54):
improvement, especially offensively.
I'm like, I think the play calling has been pretty darn
good. There were, I saw a lot of
people on social media who were frustrated with the play calling
against the Commanders. I think that the majority of the
things that you were seeing thatwas frustrating more result of
the offensive line just really struggling to to block

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Washington's defense. Not that the play calling was
perfect, but I didn't think it was horrific.
And there were certainly people who thought that, that, you
know, the third quarter of of the offense offensive play
calling was horrific. I thought we didn't see Jordan's
best quarter that third quarter against the Commanders.

(43:41):
That was a a putting it nicely. It was a forgettable quarter by
Jordan, you know, but but then Matt Lafleur clearly got in his
bag in the fourth quarter and decided to salt that one away.
And it was like, all right, look, we see what this offense
really can be. And I think that they are more

(44:04):
than capable of bringing that out when the lights are
brightest and and turning that dial up to an 11.
Now losing Jaden Reed I think isgoing to be somewhat
significant, but this was already on the table anyways
because we had concerns about his foot and we felt like we

(44:24):
were kind of living on borrowed time with Jaden Reed anyways.
So obviously sucks that he brokehis collarbone.
Praying for a great recovery forhim.
The surgery was super successful, which we love to
hear, and Jaden decided to go ahead and get the foot surgery
at the same time as the collarbone.
So. So now we want a healthy Jaden

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Reed for the playoff stretch andfor 2026 and for the Super Bowl.
Like, rest up, my dude. Right now, the focus in this
passing game is going to be getting Matthew Golden and Tay
Wicks real really humming. I think that like, those are
going to be the two guys who aregoing to have to step up in

(45:07):
Jayden Reid's absence. I went ahead and picked up Tay
Wicks in my fantasy league. I'm like, look, some Jayden
Reid's targets have to go somewhere and like Matthew
Golden was drafted in like the third round of my league.
So. Taywicks, I think I I think
Taywicks is going to have to be relied on more and I think he's

(45:28):
been pretty good. I thought that Jayden Reid was
really good too. I think both of those guys
looked great their first two games of the season.
And like, this was a huge point of emphasis all offseason.
Like we couldn't go a week on this podcast without talking
about the need for Reed and Wicks to bounce back to to what

(45:49):
we knew they were capable of. And I think that that I think
that Jaden's collarbone notwithstanding, we're seeing
what we need to from those guys.You know, I thought like the the
beginning of the Washington game, we're getting things going

(46:10):
by throwing to Wicks and then there's a period where the
offense kind of sputters for a while.
How do we kick start and get it going again by going back to
Wicks in the passing game again,this Reed injury might be a
really good thing for Wicks. And I've thought kind of for a
while that like if you could, if, if Matt Lafleur is just

(46:33):
being brutally honest about likewhat he wants his wide receiver
room to look like going forward,which guys does he want to make
the focal point and, and stick around for the next, you know, 5
plus years? I think if he had his druthers,
he'd want it to be Golden Watsonand Wix.

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I think those are probably the three guys like love you Dobbs,
love you Reed. But I think I think it's that
Trio is is what he would like the future to look like.
Yeah, no, I agree. I think this is this is going to
be interesting. I just, I, I worry about this

(47:19):
game specifically. Browns game.
Yes, because I I I have a feeling that one the golden
break. I I know somebody said this hold
on hold on, hold on can't have love for candle without wix.
Nice good one. Hey, fam, that's that's a good
one cause tool for this asks if this is the Matthew golden come

(47:40):
alive game. I don't.
Think I mean they they were. My guess?
Is easy. You don't think so?
I think. I think it's going to happen to
Dallas and and because Dallas was linked to him plenty, right?
And, and I just I after Dallas, let Wandell Robinson have 8 for
1:42. Jake, what was Christian
Watson's Come Alive game? You already know.

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Dallas. Dallas baby, like I, I truly
think like this is going to I, Ihave a feeling we're going to
get like a he's going to have seven for like 140 and a
touchdown or two in the Dallas game.
And it's just going to be out running people cooking people,
right? They're going to be like, all
right, yeah, we got these DallasDBS.
They love to they love to take chances, double move time.

(48:26):
Like this is going to be I I I think it's going to be a track
meet on Sunday night and, and, and Golden's going to make it
known. I will say Cleveland, the
defense, it intrigues me becauseyou have Miles Garrett, who
there's absolutely zero chance for the majority of this game.
He isn't lined up across over the right tackle, whoever it's

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going to be. OK.
So what that means is probably going to need some help over
there, which unfortunately meansit's going to be Tucker Kraft
probably doing a lot of chips, which stinks because I think
that's the best way to attack this defenses with Kraft.
Not that I don't think Green Baycan't get the passing game going
against Cleveland like clearly the Ravens did and had no

(49:09):
problem doing so. Tez Walker caught 2 touchdowns
like they were just going deep in the the annals of their
entire receiver room of just like, hey, you want you want
one, go ahead. You want, oh, you want another,
sure, yeah, that's fine. And so like, I I think it can
work. Now the Bengals the week before
Newsom and Ward said no way to Chase and Higgins.

(49:32):
So that was really interesting. But now the Bengals play more
ISO ball, right. The Ravens don't have that
problem of like, hey, we can just try to win this way.
And I think Lafleur will will know that, right?
He I think he understands that he doesn't have anybody who's,
you know, dying to go get a win right on 1/3 native like, Hey,
you just you just go win this one, right.
He I feel like he's going to design things well, but it it
couple talented players in the secondary.

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Schwessinger's had a nice start at linebacker.
Graham has been, you know, had some ups and downs as AD tackle
as a rookie, which I think is, you know, it's it's expected.
And then you have you have guys like Garrett.
They stopped the run. They they said Derrick Henry.
No Sir. They got burned everywhere else,
but they said no Sir to Derrick Henry.
I imagine it's going to be a similar deal.

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I think they're going to commit a lot to the box, stop Jacobs,
get them into a position where Green Bay has to commit extra
bodies in the passing game to protect Love because of the
right tackle situation. So I I feel like this is one of
those games where, as Mike kind of said, like this could be one

(50:35):
of those games where it's a little bit of a slog where it's
like the line is like 9. I'm hammering that for
Cleveland. Unfortunately I just it has that
weird like weak. What's Cleveland going to do
offensively? Like they don't have an
offensive line. They have Abraham Lucas and
Dejuan Jones, a tackle. They're both terrible.

(50:55):
Ethan Pochick at center, Freaking awful.
They have two good guards in JoeBetonio and Wyatt Teller.
They're great. I'm sorry you need more than two
good offensive lineman. Our defensive line terrorized
the Lions and then they dropped a 50 burger the next week on the
Bears. I don't know what Cleveland is
going to do to I. I think they're going to get

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shut out. I really do.
I feel like it's. Going to be super wonky game.
I I they have a just. This happens all the time.
Unless the Packers happen to show up in Sleepwalk if if the
Packer Walker if the Packers walk this game.
Long, long week off after Thursday.
I think there is a little bit tothat with Lafleur teams.
It does seem like that kind. Of happened, I could see it

(51:37):
being a close game with with thePackers, like scoring not many
points, like maybe it's a six nothing game.
But I think the Browns are getting shut out here.
I really do. Hope so.
I hope so. Weird things happen in week 3.
There's going to be some weird stuff happen next week like in
the league 100%. Hopefully it doesn't happen in
Green Bay. There's going to be some weird
stuff like just like, you know, I think there's probably like 7

(51:59):
teams right now, right? Where it's like, oh, they,
they're not going to win. Like I, and I don't think
anybody in here thinks that or, or we think that, right?
That, that, that just doesn't happen unless you're like the
Browns or the Lions, right? Like that it doesn't happen.
Teams are going to win games, right?
These are professionals. It's just like it kind of goes
by the wayside of like this team's terrible.

(52:20):
They stink like they're when arethey going to win a game type of
thing. When people ask that, always,
always people ask that and they go, oh, there's how the heck did
they do that? They won that game of all games.
Like it just it has that weird feeling of it coming off
Thursday night game. I I do agree.
I think like what is Cleveland going to do offensively?
I don't know, hope Parsons pullsa hamster.

(52:41):
I have no idea. I don't like, I don't know how
they're going to have a plan forthat.
Right. It just, yeah, it has that weird
like 16-7 or sixteen nine type of thing where it's like.
Or 16 zero. Maybe.
Maybe. Like.
This this is and you brought up 60 JJI think, you know, 2010
Jets game. That's interesting.

(53:03):
That's interesting to me of like, OK, the special teams
touchdown, right, Jordan love gets, you know, a little
careless throws maybe throws some he shouldn't.
And that's where maybe Clevelandgets 7 Like it just has those
that makings of kind of a weird one where it it should be super
straightforward. Maybe maybe I'm coping and

(53:24):
hoping it's not the Dallas game,whereas it gets, you know, tight
and it's a shootout, right? And you feel like you should be
blowing them out. Maybe that's cope because I
don't want that to happen. I want them to, you know, beat
Dallas by 40 or whatever. Like that would be way better.
Hold on, I'm. I'm I'm not looking forward to
to Dallas yet. We we have a whole week to talk
about Dallas. That's why I'm thinking of like

(53:46):
starting to cope about this one of like hopefully this is the
weird stinker game. Not that one type of thing,
because I, I do think Cleveland has some stuff defensively that
it that are going to probably their defense is legit.
That's that's where I think it gets wonky, right, where they
could get 7 that way, unfortunately, and and sort of
kind of keep this thing in it. Like if Green Bay, you know, we

(54:08):
don't get after it in the run game.
Like Judkins had a nice week andI get it.
Green Bay has been a lot better than Baltimore defensively
through two weeks, right. So I, I, I do think on paper
this should, this should be no problem, right?
Again, Kraft getting involved with young linebackers in in a
shaky group, they're like shouldbe the move in this one.

(54:30):
I just wonder again, I think they're going to force me to
pass. They just need to be ready to
the first has to have the right game plan to attack it.
Because I do think if if Cleveland's going to do
anything, they're going to make sure that they can't, that
they're going to do everything possible to take Jacobs away in
this thing, like do everything possible.
And I think teams have teams have done that.
Like that's been the goal, sure for everybody so far.

(54:50):
Sure, and with Jayden Reid missing, the the Packers are a
little bit vulnerable offensively right now as they're
trying to hammer out the new norm, the new the, the new way
forward here. But the Cleveland is going to
have to score some points on defense or special teams.
They're gonna have to let Let mehit you with some stuff here.

(55:11):
OK, let's do it. Joe Flacco.
When he's kept clean, we're looking at PFF 76.4 passing
grade. When he's kept clean, 1
touchdown, 1 interception, 355 yards, 72.9% completions.
OK, he is kept. He is under pressure in In the
first two games he's played, he's been under pressure 36.5%

(55:36):
of the time and his his his PFF grade drops down to a 28.9.
His passer rating is a 38.9. That's essentially spiking the
ball, yeah. His his time to throw balloons
from a 2.4 to a 341. He gets sacked on 11.4% of his

(56:00):
pressures. He has thrown 0 big time throws
and three turnover worthy plays with a 27.4 fumbling grade when
he's under pressure, with a completion percentage of 41.9%.
And we saw against Washington and Detroit, both of whom have

(56:26):
far better offensive lines than what the Browns do, that those
quarterbacks were under constantduress.
Constant like it. It got to the point where the
downs where Jared Goff or Jaden Daniels were not under pressure
stuck out to you as weird and frustrating 'cause you're like,
what? How come there's nobody in his

(56:47):
lap already? What, Like I'm, I'm just so used
to it after two games already. Yeah, let's, let's look at these
offensive lineman here. So Dejuan Jones is his third
year in the league so far, currently posting a 33.4 grade
via PFF. He's he's regressed three

(57:08):
straight years. He's a 37.4 run blocking grade
and a 43 pass blocking grade. That is 60 second best out of 68
tackles in the NFL. Gosh, it's so good.
And Abraham Lucas is is not muchbetter.
He's at least been somewhat average.
Or sorry, it's not Abraham Lucas, it's Cornelius Lucas.

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Abraham Lucas is in Seattle. It's Cornelius Lucas.
I was like, I was like, wait, when did they get him?
So this is his 11th year in the NFL.
He's 34 years. Old sounds like the Lake Lake
and Tomlinson of tackles on a bunch of teams doesn't have it.

(57:55):
They hope he has it so. They really don't have receivers
either right now. Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman and
Harold Fannon at F, those are their receiving threats.
Those are the guys who 40 year old Joe Flacco who's going to be

(58:17):
under pressure. I'm going to say over 70% of
maybe over 80% of the snaps nextSunday that he's going to have
to dump the ball off to those guys and hope that Jerry, Judy,
Cedric Tillman or Harold Fannon are creating magic after the

(58:39):
catch. With Xavier McKinney and Evan
Williams lurking back there. I don't see it happening.
They're going to have to score points on defense.
Yeah. Ayers asks.
Isn't J OK injured? I believe he is.
I I know that Schlesinger and that Devin Bush.

(59:01):
This is like the Steelers fan's worst nightmare ever.
Devin Bush was just absolutely atrocious with Pittsburgh for
years. Goes to Cleveland and resurrects
his career. He's was fantastic last year and
so far so last year. He had a 79.2 PFF grade this

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year through two games. Way too small with sample size
to really care about it, but 91.3 defensive grade from PFF
with a 90.4 coverage grade out of out of nowhere.
This too was so bad with with Pittsburgh.
But he's he's he's turned around.

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And then Jerome Baker, of course, is probably the guy
who's going to be playing on theother side with with J OK, not
available. And all of their defensive backs
are good. Ward has, you know, Denzel Ward

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has has kind of been regressing the last couple years.
He's not like the same Denzel Ward that they paid, but he's
still decent and he's I would say he's their worst defensive
back in a a really good room of defensive backs.
So do I think that their defenseis going to be a problem for us?
Absolutely I do. And and like we haven't even

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touched on the strength of theirdefense, which is the defensive
line. All four guys that got on the
defensive line are fantastic. You know, we all know the the
big dog. We don't even need to talk about
him. But Malik Collins has kind of
sprung up out of nowhere so far this year.
Had two really good games. Yeah, he's, yeah, he he sprung
up a little bit in his previous stop as well.

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I think he was in San Francisco and the pressure rate was super
high on top of it. Sorry, I didn't mean to
interrupt, but yeah, no. No, go ahead.
That's been a strange. Thing I think his I think his
like pressure rate. I remember when looking on like
NFL pro it was pretty high with San Francisco too.
Like he he's found something good for him.
Believe that was a Dallas draft pick if I'm not mistaken.

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Yeah, absolutely. That sounds correct.
Mason Graham is their number five overall pick from this
year, I would say has looked like a rookie and has looked
like he's not quite in NFL shapeyet.
High expectations for the rest of his career, for sure.
Getting off to like a little bitof a slow start, but with the

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guys next to him, it just hasn'tmattered that that he's still
figuring things out. And then they also have Isaiah
McGuire, who I really liked. I liked Isaiah McGuire, man.
Missouri that's. Right.
I liked him. Yeah, yeah.
Kind of a big guy, taller. So it's kind of kind of a kind
of a taller dude. I liked him.
You know, the other Isaiah who was talked about a lot in that

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draft class was Isaiah Foskey. And Oh yeah, he was a lot higher
on on the draft boards of peoplethat I followed.
And I did not like Foskey as much as I liked McGuire.
Yeah, he went like McGuire. First, I think, or 40th,
somewhere around there to New Orleans.
Is that where he went? Yeah, I think he was.
Like McGuire, fell to the fourthround.
Yes, that's right. And I I would say his like,

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clearly been the better player by a billion miles.
The Bears just worked out IsaiahFoskey a couple weeks ago and
didn't even sign him. And and there if there's any
team in the league that needs defensive end help, it's the
freaking Chicago Bears. And even they were like, yeah,
no thanks. So Isaiah McGuire kind of been
tearing it up. PFF doesn't like Isaac Ware's

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rookie season, but then last year they gave him an 83.3 and
and so far he's kind of humming along in that same clip.
It's a it's a scary defensive line.
You mentioned that you think that they're going to pick on
the right side of the of of the offensive line for us.
I will say, I will say just a little point of contention.

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I didn't think Anthony Belton was anywhere near as bad as no
as everybody else I've talked to, including all our friends in
our our Packers draft group chat.
We're really hating on on the onBelton's game.
I thought he played fine. There were clearly some mental
lapses from at times. His form is not really there.

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His his pre snap stamps needs some work.
I thought he was fine and they were, there were a couple of
hits and sacks that came off of his side I did not actually
think were his fault. And one of them there was, there
was one time when, when Jordan held the ball for like almost 5
seconds and ended up and like, I'm sorry, I, I'm not asking

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Belton. I'm not asking Belton to, to
hold up that long. All right.
Like that's on Jordan. Not supposed to, Yeah, you're
not supposed to. Yeah.
I think the, the stance thing I imagine is just shifting over to
that side right, like having been left tackle it it seems
like it it is a very, it is a very like, OK, just kind of all

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right. How do I feel muscle memory
wise? How does this feel?
Like I, I just maybe it's just him adjusting to that side a
little bit more. Like it feels like feels like
that's kind of where we're at with him.
But like, yeah, well, it wasn't bad.
Now I will say it is against guys like Doris Armstrong,
right? It sure.
You know, so it Garrett, is going to be a a a difficult

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task. And Garrett makes everybody look
bad. Right, exactly.
And it just it it's very unfortunate if that's who if if
he's going to trot out there right which.
Baptism by fireman. You're a second round pick.
Figure it out, I mean. Listen, I, I, yeah.
I mean, it's going to feel like Dallas and like, I mean, Dallas
has a Raku and some some other guys, but like Dallas and and

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Arizona and Cincinnati are goingto feel like, you know,
cakewalks after you go go into the you know, the the wilderness
going up against a guy like Miles Garrett.
So I do feel like they're probably going to help him out
if he is starting. I mean, even if Canard is,
they're probably going to help him out too.
Like that's it. There's there's no way they're
not going to be keying in and having a plan.

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I do think, like again, it, it, it's, it's, it's always going to
be the, the, the early down battle matters a ton.
And that's why people have made like early down success of a
massive metric and why it matters so much.
Because obviously, you know, theBrowns, what do they want to do?
Well, they want Garrett and company to tee off any chance
they get right. Like every chance you get, you

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want to be able to have them be able to tee off, right, and have
have to have Green Bay commit extra bodies to help, you know,
in impasse protection. So they have less in the concept
and the secondary is already pretty good.
So it's it's less ground for them to cover, right, Less, you
know, you're going to have less spacing out there.
Like that's that's going to be the case, right.
And so like Green Bay obviously would love to create a lot of

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conflict, right, especially on the long the D line of like, all
right, we need to set an edge and then get into the pass rush,
right? When it when it, when a lot of
that play action is going. So it's it's it's going to be
the the defensive struggle that that type of game certainly
happens if Jacobs cannot get going.
And it has been kind of tough sledding early for Jacobs where

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it seems like they've been able to do a good job of wearing them
down in the second. But and I think Green Bay has
done a great job of, you know, being at least somewhat
committed. They were obviously very
committed at the end of that Detroit game.
Love, love just making that a Jacob's drive and letting him
punch that in. Obviously they felt like maybe,
you know, getting a little more aggressive, right, didn't run as
much with Jacobs in second-half against against Washington.

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Obviously, because it was made more of a game somehow it I
can't believe that, but you know, I think that's that's
where you're going to be. You're going to see the battle.
Like clearly Cleveland last weekwas in that same scenario of
like, hey, listen, this is a this a tough decision.
Who do we who do we want to stopfirst right stop Jackson or
Henry. That's that's a tough that's a
tough ass for anybody, but they're like, we got to stop

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Henry. We got to believe in our in our
back end unit in coverage, whichI think is a smart move, right?
And, and again, Lamar just kind of carved him up and they had a
good plan. And that's kind of what Green
Bay's going to have to do. It's it's, I think the passing
game is going to have to have asgood of a plan as it's had the
last couple weeks. And I I think, you know, they're
going to have to stick with the run.
They're going to have to stay committed to under center looks,

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even with Garrett out there, whoobviously can can kind of tee
off right. But whatever they can do to
mitigate that and also still than effective passing game is
going to is going to be what wins this.
They're they're going to win this because Wicks or Dobbs
craft, you know, maybe golden gets it going in this game and
I'm completely wrong. I've I've been plenty wrong

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already to start the season. I, I would have no problem if
Golden goes off. I, I just, I think, I think
Dallas presents an easier challenge.
But maybe he steps up. Maybe he says no.
Newsom and Ward, they're not even good.
I'm going to cook. Both Hey, you know, Golden does
does not need to be blanked versus the Browns to have his
coming out party against Dallas,All right?
He can have no, no, no, he can have some some nice

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opportunities to contribute. He can even have a big catch
here or there. Yes.
And and not spoil his coming outparty next week, Yeah.
I don't even, I, I think people people might have a good handle
on this. I think I trust, I trust the
fans. I don't, I don't think it was a
pretty stark difference honestly, between Week 1 and
Week 2 for Golden in a four day span of like how comfortable it

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looked for him on Thursday versus Sunday.
Like actually you could see he kind of they kind of gave him
the same double move they gave Romeo Dobbs.
Dobbs got that on that first drive where you know he you
worked to the inside back out like they had golden run.
That you talk about the Dobbs touchdown or a different play?
The I think Dobbs first catch onthe 1st.
Drive. Oh, the first.
Catch was like, yeah, peek inside worked back out.

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They had golden run that later in the game didn't look as
clean, OK. And and there were a couple
instances of golden in that Detroit game where it clearly
there were some spacing issues and it kind of threw some timing
off it looked like. And so I think it was just kind
of like, OK, we're getting on the field.
We're we're getting reps. And then Thursday it looked a
lot better of like, OK, spacing's good, but he's also

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winning plenty, right? Could have had two touchdowns,
could have had that 2 for 1:25 and two game.
We could have been talking aboutthe breakout already.
So it's clearly there, the talents there like we're we're
going to see it. It reminded me of the Christian
Watson Vikings game in his in his rookie season.
Yeah, dropped the OF like they were trying to get him going and

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it just didn't work. And then you had to wait for the
Dallas game. Hey, this time we don't have to
wait till week 7 for the Dallas game.
It's week 4, no week. Four yeah, no, I, I, I think
Golden will figure it out. But it it is cool to see them
getting Wicks involved with that, with that motion into
those out routes, because again,you get him built up with that
speed. That makes it even more
devastating because he's such a sharp cutter on on a lot of

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those in and out breaking routes.
So if they get more of that going, that's great.
I think you can build off that like I think you can mess with
Cleveland a little bit of like, OK, yeah, you think you're going
to see these out routes again, and it's really not.
And we're going to work dagger into that a little bit more
right off that motion, which I think will be exciting to see if
they break that out, like they they can do a lot and and that's
why motion's so beneficial and and the dinosaurs who don't want

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that are nuts and pre snap, you know, but yeah, so I I I'm
excited to see that. I I think they can get golden
going if they want to. They they can get anybody going.
It's very clear that like the floor can get anybody going,
right. So yeah, I.
Was supposed to coach Lynn but Brett new listener to the show

(01:10:54):
or new comment calling. He's long time listener, first
time caller. I just want to say I love you
guys. My question is who will be the
Packers leading receiver this year?
I'll hang up and listen now. And how do you say this young
man's name? Brian Mayfi.
Brian Mayfi. Well, thanks.
Thanks, Brian. Thanks for your question.

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Jake, Is this the make a Wish kid?
Is it Brian Mayfi? Is he's the make a wish kid?
I can't. No, I don't think so, but OK,
Packers leading receiver. So Jake, my question to you, how
do you define leading receiver? Is it yards or targets?
Yards, Yards, yes, probably. It's probably it's.

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The big boy. I'm going.
Big, probably either Golden or Dobbs.
I would say I'm going craft. Well, I'm going craft.
It's going to be a big, big yearfor our guy.
Dang it, I'm going craft. We said that.
Remember JJ, we said this in thesummer.
You remember this where it was like, who's the passing offense

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going? To go.
I know I'm banging the drum for Tucker Craft every time and
that's why I'm mad that I didn't.
I'm making sure you're playing with this.
You're brought in. No, I'm making sure you're
brought in. I'm bringing you with me on this
one. I think I think the.
Passing offense goes through craft.
Like this targets, so targets and maybe receptions as well is
going to be Wicks. I could see.

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I could, yeah. I I don't think.
Craft free Jayden injury. I would have said Jayden, but
I'm I'm definitely going Wicks. He was the Packers leading
receiver in targets last year. I'm going Wicks for for leader
in targets and and potentially receptions as well this year.
But yards, I might go craft. And if it's not Craft, I think

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it's going to be Golden because I think Golden is going to he's
going to have a little bit of sort of the Christian Watson
effect where he's getting all these big chunk plays at once.
And so he doesn't need as many targets per game to keep up

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with. I mean, like, look, I'm not
going to say crap because we just saw a crap put up this past
week with yardage, like get out of here.
But Wix, yeah, you know, I think, I think Wix and and
Dobbs, he can keep up with them pretty easily with the chunk
plays. I do want to say yeah.
Because I, I think we were, I don't remember if we, we got to
chat about it really. No, I don't think so.

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I, I think like the, the slow start, right?
Everybody kind of like, Oh my gosh crap.
Golden doesn't have any production, right?
What's going on? Why is he even a lot of
production? Can I, can I read off a certain
I I want you to guess who this receiver is, JJ.
OK, can we play guess this receiver, he's Wandel Robinson.
It's always Wandel Robinson. No, that's always the answer.
But that's a always the answer. I like that game. 1-2 Wandel

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Robinsons in a lie. No.
Is it Joe Tryonoschenko or is itWandel Robinson?
You guess you gotta look at the out the silhouette and figure
out. Yeah.
OK. OK, so here we go to start a
season. I'm not telling you this.
This procedure it is a receiver and it is the I.
Know who it is? You know who it is?
Oh. Rookie.

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Wait, you said it's the rookie season?
It's the rookie season. This this receiver is rookie
season. All right, I'm.
Going to 25, rookie. OK, no.
No, no, no, no, no. This could be a rookie from any
season, but it's a receiver. Rookie receiver in a a, a a
recent ish season. OK, within the last seven years,
let's say. All right, two for 23/3 for 18/1

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for two, 6 for 77 for 65, five for 26/03 for 46, four for 61,
four for 18/4 for 23 and then finished it out. 10 for 86 and a
touchdown. 8 for 73, eight for 90 and a touchdown. 9 for 91 and

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a touchdown. 8 for 111 and a touchdown. 8 for 109 and a
touchdown. Took a while.
Took a while for this cat, but he got it rolling by end of
season. Did not cross the 1000 yard
mark. It was awfully close.
Did not hit 1000 yards so we canrule out Lad Mcconkey.

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I I love I love the guesses in the comments for this one.
We can also rule out Jefferson. It is not Yeah, Jefferson I
think had 100 his second or third game.
So we got, we got a BTJ guess, we got a Devante guess that's
too far back. I will say it's not Devante and

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we got a neighbor's guess. Regret to inform neighbors went
went nuts early and often. It is not neighbors.
It is not Brian Thomas Junior either.
Wow. Who is it?
You know who it sounds like, buthe's been in the league too

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long. It sounds.
It sounds like Cooper Cup, but he's been in the league too
long. Interesting, interesting.
Guess it's an interesting cast for Cooper Cup.
Because it's puka. Because it's puka, not.
Puka no puka puka like like 16 for 1:50 or so so so they get
saved one of his first two weeks.

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I give up. Who is it?
So CD Lamb is a no? That's interesting JSN.
That's a great guess. JSN and Cooper Cup are great
guesses. Why?
Why are they great guesses, you ask?
Well, slot receiver, slot receiver guy we have played
already this year. Amin Raw St.
Brown, OK was his. That's his stat line for his

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entire rookie season. I get it.
He was a fourth round pick, not a first round pick.
Less expectations, sure, and yetI feel like.
Yeah, but he was in a, he was ina bad wide receiver room too,
though. He was which that's the thing,
like even then it took him a while, right?
I will say since since JSM was such a good guess, I I want to

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go through his Can we go throughhis real fast?
Yeah, JSM. OK, here we go.
Rookie season numbers, this is Yeah, this is wild. 3 for 13/5
for 34. One for 10/3 for five. 4 for 48.
Three for five. Yeah. 4 for 63 and a touchdown.
3 for 36 and touchdown. 6 for 63.

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Four for 53. Three for 42 for 41, Seven for
62, Four for 25, Four for 48 anda score. 6 for 61.
One for 12 and a touch. Three for 1463 for 6:28 and
4:00. Final.
Not a good season. Not a good season from him.

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No, and here we are today. People were calling him a bust
after year one. Yes, they were and and here we
are today, 17 for 2:27 to start the year 2 games.
He's a beast right now, absolutebeast.
So it happens people, it's OK, right?

(01:18:04):
Listen, not everybody can be theleague neighbors.
It's OK, you know. Case in point, Marvin Harrison's
junior, not Malika. Marvin Harrison, another guy who
had like 800 yards last year. This happens Puka.
I just know it's crazy too. He had 800 yards and didn't it
feel like so much less? Didn't it feel like a 350 yard

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season? He did have that like one,
remember he had that like one big game early where he caught
like 4 for 1:20 or 4 for one. Was it like?
Week 3, yeah, it was like early against the Rams.
He caught 2 touchdowns, 4 catches for like 130.
It kind of inflated it a little bit.
It counts. It's a it was a great game for
him, but like, yeah, it was veryweird.
Puka's first four games Regret to inform the people. 10 for

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1/19/15 for 147, five for 72, nine for 163 and one guys just.
Sounds like what Tucker Kraft isdoing this year.
Yeah, Tucker Kraft and by the way, Puka in the wild card game,
first playoff game, 9 for 181 and a touchdown.
He's nuts. He is.
He is simply nuts. Another guy who's off to the
races early from that class so. All right, I'm I'm pumping the

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brakes on name that wide receiver.
We could do this. Let's talk about Packers wide
receivers here. Sure, but coach Len says, would
you play Wix in the slot or golden this game with Riyadh?
I mean, the the simple answer isit's going to be a rotation of
guys in the slot there. But you know, we did fail to

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mention when we were talking about the Browns secondary,
their starting slot. How did I do that?
I just got rid of it. Like I bumped my keyboard and it
made Coach Lynn's comment go away.
Their starting slot corner rightnow is Miles Harden, who is
absolutely atrocious. South Dakota Coyote from the

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2024 class 7th rounder has not played great.
Maybe this is where you pick on.On Cleveland, we got to watch
out for their linebackers. We got to watch out for the
linebackers. But maybe this is and obviously
they got some some safeties, Grant Delpit and Ronnie Hickman,

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the great Ohio State Buckeye whotook quite a few years to get
going in the NFL. They're lurking.
But I kind of like the idea of Wicks there because I don't know
that, like, Golden, not that golden is tiny, but you're not
getting the size mismatch with Golden, you know, that ADK

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Metcalf would provide you. And so.
So I want the guy who can break the ankles.
Give me Tay Wicks, who is an established NFL veteran at this
point and can get open and trusthim to find that soft spot in

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the zone. Yeah, I think I would maybe go
heavy on Wicks in the slot and lean on golden to stretch out
the secondary. Honestly, like I hate to hate to
have you do this, buddy. Like trust me, your breakout
game is coming next week. Terrible Dallas secondary It's.

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Happening. For sure, but like for this
game, I need you to run some goals and outs and I need you to
to peel guys off, you know, makemake Cleveland really get
vertical on defense and and decompress and create some
opportunities for Wicks and craft to really beat up on.
On. These linebackers and get behind

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them. That's that's going to be my
game plan. So you know who's out there
stretching the field opposite Golden whatever.
Throw Musgrave out there occasionally, you know, good,
good. For one thing, I guess Romeo
Dobbs is probably going to have to be doing that.
Which and then like, hey, I knowhe's not really healthy, but

(01:22:08):
like, maybe we put Bo Melton back out there again for one
week. I don't know.
Give me some ideas. Jake I, I think, I think
Golden's got to be the decoy this week.
That's why I just I, I, I believe that they could give him
more to do. And I do think Dobbs can win on
the field. Like one of the great post

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throughout week 1. Like it, it's very clear like
that he has a lot in his bag. Probably going to make a team in
2026. Very pleased that, you know,
they signed him unfortunately, But I, I, yeah, I think I think
Golden's going to kind of get relegated to it as kind of like
we listen, dude, I Lafleur goingto the I, I, I, I don't know,

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maybe Lafleur doesn't talk aboutthis, but going to the room,
like, buddy, it's going to be your time.
Do not worry. It's going to be your time.
We absolutely need you to do this this week and I know you
can be good at it and listen, it's up.
Love's probably good after this anyway bro like.
This Brown game. Conference with Jane Reed last
year against the Rams. Like he'll probably do it.

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Like I don't think like Golden's, you know, just because
it's a decoy is not going to gettargeted.
Actually, this Browns game I might try and offer Tay Wicks
for Matthew Golden straight up in my fantasy league and just.
I'm trying to trade for him. Yeah, I, I, I, well, I would
trade for him this week. Truly just trade for him this
week because I think like, yeah,probably next week is going to

(01:23:34):
be like, you know, the the wholelike, oh, Butler, our our prices
have never been lower type of thing.
Let let let me hit true. Here's here's who I have.
And go, Oh my gosh, Wandel Robinson crushed them.
So what happens when a good receiver's out there, they do
what neighbors did, right? Like that's, that's what they're
going to be thinking. So you might have.
To here here's who I have who I can trade away for for golden.

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OK, I have Pearsall, I have Tet,and I have oh man, I have
Quentin Johnson. Wow, if you could flip QJ for
Golden right, that'd be nuts. I mean, it's it's probably a
sell high on QJ right now, yeah.I probably even though I think
like. It's like Herbert's really liked

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going to him. Yes, he's had 14 targets in the
last two games. He has and like again, he should
be getting like he should be doing again.
I I know Trey Harris very fun. Glad the chargers did that.
That's cool. QJ should be QJ should be doing
this. This is what he should be doing.
There's no like there. They threw him to the X role as
a rookie. The Chargers did, and that was

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wrong. That was that was horrendous.
Never do that. They're still trying to like the
Chargers are a little bit of like, Hey, try to catch his back
shoulder boss. And it's like, I don't think so.
Like he says, I don't think he'sgoing to be going to be great in
that scenario. Right, but Matthew Golden has
five. Stretching the field.
Fantasy points in DPR this week,this this season.

(01:25:08):
I know everybody. 'S going to be panicking to
sell. It's time Q JS still going to be
a part of this offense, right. But I do think like the further
we go, Lad's fine. If if you, if you can go get, if
you can go get LAD right now youdo it simply do it like I don't

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know. Lad, lad for.
QJ That's that's interesting. That's interesting.
That would be oh. Convinced there is convinced the
owner that LAD is. Why do 03 in that offense?
There is a dynasty league where both QJ and Wandel are on my
bench and I am like. I am like, furiously like.
Well Q JS on my bench. My bench is pure salt, tet and

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QJ. Yeah, I like, QJ and Wandel are
on my dynasty bench right now, just like collecting dust.
They combined for 40 fantasy points last week.
Like I'm willing to let it like let these guys go if you can, if
you can make it happen, I would I would do it.
All right, let's see here. Do we got to get some of these

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That's interesting that another guy who can stretch the field if
they let him. JJ was.
JJ was. I.

(01:26:55):
Would be OK with that? Feared this, that they were
going to do. With what they've done with him
so far, they've certainly done it.
His his fear has come true. Look, there's there is nothing
wrong with getting building someconfidence for Savion by getting
manufacturing him some. Touches a player who looks a lot

(01:27:16):
like UJ at times. Designing some play.
Yeah, they both play at TCU. Well, it's not even designing
even that. It's like a legitimately like
taller lankier player who has really good gear down ability.
Yeah, but Savion has better hair.
Savion has way better hair. OK.
You have a point there, Point point JJ Yes, I agree.

(01:27:40):
But it's I just, I just got the,I just got the the message, we
have 15 minutes until I have to turn the lights.
Off in here 15. And also stop talking.
I have to turn the lights off and stop talking in 15 minutes.
Yeah, for those who don't know, we do a lot of post show chats
and I can't imagine that goes over well when.

(01:28:05):
We do. When we do that it it's OK as
long as I remember to text my wife that the show is over and
I'm just talking to Jake, and then she's usually cool with it.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's when Jake and I talk for 45or 60 minutes after the show and
she thinks I'm still alive. Yeah.
That that's when she gets Crouchy does coach lenses.

(01:28:25):
Have you seen anything with Savion's routes that would get
him running more routes in the game?
I like that they had him out there running real wide receiver
routes and not just he's not just their Tyler Irvin, right?
Yeah. I mean, he's he's going to get,
he's going to get, he's going toget some playing time.

(01:28:45):
I think that he did a good enough job last week to warrant
give him some more opportunitiesthis week.
Yeah, you know, and it and it wasn't garbage time.
It was still that's. True.
It was still real playing time, Coach says married life sucks.
No, it does not. Married life is.

(01:29:07):
The bomb, I imagine. It's fun.
I do no, what sucks is trying toget sleep when you have a a
baby. All right and so it's so that's
why you're the the the early night time, especially like 11

(01:29:28):
to midnight and then like midnight to two like those hours
right there are sacred 'cause after that it's no holds barred
with the baby means you have sleep during.
Football not ideal, say what means you have sleep during
prime time. Football not ideal, but.

(01:29:48):
I know. Well, you know, you got to.
Do what you got to do though. You know, there's like the PAC
12 after Dark was very hard to catch with our our first born
and then now, you know, the PAC 12 after Dark doesn't exist so
much anymore. I got, yeah, it's kind of West,
I guess. Unfortunately it's kind of it's
ACC after dark Stanford was hosting Boston College.
What is this? This is this is not my I will

(01:30:11):
say I will become a boomer of this is not my PAC 12 After Dark
did not sign up for this. This is nonsense I don't like.
It. Don't.
Like it. I think I have this open.
OK, there was a oh, hold on, I'mgoing to show you one thing and
then I'm going to show you the other thing.
I was thinking real quick, we. Will pick this game folks, so

(01:30:32):
make. Sure, I saw this.
Predictions also. It.
Might be tomorrow by the time. New requirement for AP and
coaches Poll voters select all squares with teams that lost.
Oh, I thought I thought this washilarious.
Oh my gosh. I thought that was brilliant.

(01:30:53):
Is this this week? Oh, yeah, it is OK.
Oh, this is so good. I I can't believe I missed this
one because you retweeted it. And I definitely follow college.
I I can't believe I missed this.That's so funny.
So Oh my gosh, that's let's see if you can pass the test.
Who, who in this 16 team grid lost this week?

(01:31:15):
This week? Yep.
OK. Yeah, sure.
No problem. OK.
Who lost? South Florida.
Everybody lost except for Georgia Tech.
Yeah. Remember one team in the country
there? It is.
There. It is.
There's only one I'm not sure of, to be honest.
We'll get there. Auburn.

(01:31:37):
I'm not sure. I don't remember.
Definitely do not remember if Auburn lost or not.
The other, the rest I can tell you.
I'm pretty sure. OK, South Florida lost to Miami
by a lot. That was a bloodbath.
Florida lost to LSU, Clemson lost to Georgia Tech, Tennessee
lost to Georgia. Notre Dame lost to Texas A&M.

(01:31:59):
South Carolina lost to Vandy convincingly.
There's a whole little thing going on there with that.
If you haven't followed that, definitely look that up.
Not going to bring it up here. And I'm not sure about Auburn.
That's the only one I don't know.
So. Auburn played South Alabama.
This week, OK, so Auburn might. Have Ball State the previous
week. You often might have known.

(01:32:19):
OK, so that's it then, I think, right?
Is that right, Alice? You said the rest of this
broadcast will be done using ASL, but I but I would also have
to do this turn off my. Mississippi beat Arkansas,
that's for sure. Iowa State.
All right, so here's. Iowa State straw gold against
Arkansas State. They still won, though.

(01:32:40):
But I know it's I I know. Yeah, I should be right then.
And and UCLA not on here UCLA did lose, yes.
So here's the other thing I wantto show you so.
I, I saw you quote tweet this, II think you said like Elita what
right or something? Which sport?

(01:33:01):
Oh wait, which sport? Yeah, yo, basketball.
This would be a ridiculous conference.
I mean, it's two teams, it's 2. Teams.
No, no, it it'd be ludicrous. Doesn't make any sense.
It's 2. Teams.
Bottom feeders, Yeah. San Diego State's not bad,
actually. UCLA can be.
Honestly, UCLA might be third. San Diego, it might be just
Gonzaga. San Diego State-run this league.

(01:33:25):
So yeah, so but but but this, this could be this could be our
new PAC 12 After Dark. I will say relegating UCLA is
very funny. I will.
I will not. Did you see the stop consuming
those jokes? Did you see the Big Sky
Conference? Tweeted no thanks to UCLA, the
Big Sky Conference that was so good.

(01:33:47):
I I that was amazing. And the PAC 12 conference
account tweeted something derogatory about UCLA and then.
You could not live with your ownfailure.
Where did that bring you? Pretty much.
That's pretty much that's prettymuch yeah.
It has to be. But and and then and then they
went they they lost two games towould you?

(01:34:09):
Trade someone on here for UCLA A.
Little bit of a conference. Apple Cup or in a conference.
Platypus Bowl. I I don't think that I would
because UCLA has the Rose Bowl and they have some basketball.

(01:34:35):
You're right. And what if we kept the Rose
Bowl and somehow trade UCLAI think and the Big 10
Championship is at the Rose Bowl?
No, we. Well, I've been an advent.
You and I pitched this a long time ago.
Our first ever podcast we ever did together, which I don't
remember was that the first timewe ever met was when we just

(01:34:57):
randomly hopped in that podcast together.
Had we had we ever met before then?
I don't. I can't remember.
I don't think so. For anybody who doesn't know
this, this was amazing. So I love how.
We've gotten ourselves tonight. Like when like nobody did
anything wrong. Stop trying to derail my story.
When the news broke, the USC andUCLA were leaving the PAC 12 to

(01:35:22):
go to the Big 10. I so you know, Jake and I were
over at the network at that point and I posted in a network
discord. I'm like, this is huge.
I'm gonna go do a podcast about that.
Does anybody want to come in? Nobody else in the Discord
watches college football. They're all NFL only.

(01:35:42):
Yeah. And Jake is like, of course I
want to. Yeah.
So we hopped on. We did like 2 hours or something
and we finished and and Jake andI are like, Joseph, this is this
is kind of fun. Like, I don't really know you,
but I kind of like you. We should, maybe we should do
something again. And so then when I had the idea

(01:36:03):
to start this show, I was like, we need a third host.
And it has to be Jake. Like, if he says no, I'm going
to have to make him say yes. And I think.
Black. I didn't say no.
You were an immediate yes. You didn't even have to think
about it. You were an immediate yes.
And now, now look at us. I will black this.

(01:36:24):
Man. But but going back to that same
podcast that we did, you know, we had laid out like which teams
needed to join the Big 10. And so there's two teams missing
here, all right, that we wanted Stanford and Notre Dame.
We did. And I think listen.

(01:36:46):
Couldn't remember if it was Pittor Stanford but.
It was definitely Stanford because my whole reasoning was
Notre Dame's rivals are Michigan, USC, Stanford, who's
their other rival? They have one more goopy rival,
but but my point was to get all of Notre Dame's rivals into the

(01:37:07):
Big 10 and then forbid Notre Dame from ever playing them
unless they joined. Now, listen, we are in a spot
right now where maybe it's shaping up for Stanford and
Notre Dame to actually be available because Clemson and
Florida State are trying to break up the ACC.
Now that huge grant of rights islike ironclad, but they're

(01:37:29):
trying to break up the ACC, which means maybe Stanford
becomes available for us. And then Notre Dame is sitting
here in an interesting position,you know, after they made it to
the natty this past winter and lost like they they were as high
as they've ever been on the ideaof like, we never will need a

(01:37:51):
conference. And now as we sit here and they
are O and two and they don't have the schedule ahead of them
to get back into the playoff hunt.
Sure would be nice to have Michigan on that thing.
It would be nice to have some Big 10 teams on your schedule

(01:38:12):
like this whole no. Like an FBS big Big 10 team, not
an FCS Big 10 team. Like FCS, Big 12 team Oklahoma
State, you're right. You're right, Mike Gundy is
going to come after us. OK, All right, We we we need to
wrap this up. We're the same.

(01:38:33):
Money, as Oklahoma State does, Ithink.
The same money, Yeah, we need the same.
Yeah, we have the same amount. Oh, the the Oklahoma State is
the same. Yeah, our budget, our our income
from the the the Venmo is the same as their NILI think.
I, you know, it's. Based on on field.
This is my last redacted. We haven't gotten donos in a
while and I don't have any more money for redacted because I

(01:38:56):
spent all of the last little bitof Venmo that I had on this
REDACTED. So we need to wrap it up and get
out of here. So I, I have, I have staked my
claim that the Browns, unless they score some defensive or
special teams points, they're getting shut out.

(01:39:17):
Their offense is getting shut out.
So I'm going to go I'm going to go 17 zip.
But I could see like a a weird 13 zip game as well, but still
feels convincing. But you come out of it, you
know, with with more doubts about the about the Packers

(01:39:40):
offense unless you listen to this podcast.
And if you listen to this podcast, then you go, all right,
this is kind of what we were expecting.
And next week it's going to be abar and burger against Dallas.
All right, that's my prediction.Packers, Packers take it kind of
a low scoring game. Definitely about the under.
I'm going, I'm going 17 zip, butI could see it being 13 zip.

(01:40:03):
Do I keep the bit going? That's the.
Real. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Please pick against Green Bay because we, we need to jinx.
We need to jinx the Browns. Perfect.
Yeah. So how this works, Special teams
touchdown and a pick 6. I I don't like that Adam Huddle
said this. He got to say it in the comments
before I was. Hey, prop bet, prop bet Put a

(01:40:24):
buck on Cody Schwester to get an.
Interception I I. Hopefully it's not a pick 6
because because if it's a pick six, then you know, maybe here's
the other thing. Here's the.
Possibility. Hey, it's an underneath
defender. Whoop, whoop.
Oops. Well, this is the thing Jordan
loves throwing to to to linebackers go back to college.
He that's always been his weakness is there'll there'll be

(01:40:46):
a linebacker squatting there that he doesn't see.
So maybe this is how the Browns do avoid getting blanked is
maybe with. The logo.
Maybe there's an interception and then the Browns offense goes
3 and out and so they kick a field goal from the spot of the
turnover. Like that very easily could be
how they avoid getting. Blanked.

(01:41:07):
That's true. I will say they could definitely
pull a pull a Tennessee Titans week one right where Oh Denver
muffs the punt at like the 25. And.
Then they couldn't kick the field goal, which isn't backed
up so far. That is insane.
By the way, love Cam Ward can't be doing that.
But it's it was week one it was OK, but like that could happen.

(01:41:29):
I'm going to keep the bit going.Week 3 is weird.
Could definitely see the Titans beating the Colts.
Everybody's riding high on the Colts this week type of thing
where I don't know about The Jets beating the Bucks, but
that's another O22 and O match up.
Things get strange week 3 and Week 4 in this league.
Teams that you think are never going to win, win.

(01:41:49):
Now, I'm not saying that you know, next week the Saints will
beat the Bills, which that's a week 4 match up.
I don't, I don't think we're going to get that.
Right. I would be very happy if that
happened. That would be wild if it's.
On the Saints are on the road, though if they were in the Dome,
that'd be interesting. Yeah, I'll go.
I'll do it. Yeah, Cleveland wins 1613 in a
very weird football game. There you go.

(01:42:09):
Keep it rolling, folks. Cleveland How many Pick sixes?
Just one pick 6 I think. They're one, pick 6.
They're in a position right to where I3 field goals right in a
touchdown is my is the 6th is where I'm going to get 16 from
maybe a second turnover of some sort.
Maybe it's Garrett winning and maybe splits the chip.

(01:42:31):
And you know, in terms of like pseudo double right that a chip
provides any kind of strip sacksand they 3 plays 0 yards field
goal type of thing or a hunt return gets them in range for a
field goal. It's going to be weird.
So I'll I'll take Cleveland 1613.
I'm not scared. OK, we'll do all right.
I'm also not scared. I'm not scared of Cleveland's

(01:42:51):
off. You shouldn't.
Be scared of Cleveland, but I will say I'm.
Certainly not scared of the offensive line.
Yeah, no, I defense, you know, almost everybody on their
defense scares me, but. No, that's fair.
So, so, so, so, Jake, I see you have this question.
I think I might have to hop. Off No, no, I'm going to say
this coach, coach, I will. I'll go live this week Thursday,

(01:43:12):
OK Thursday evening we'll talk alittle tat.
We'll talk some rookies and I will answer this plenty of
thoughts, but yeah, I will. I will.
We'll definitely talk about thatlater this week.
And I'm gonna I'm gonna write down some of the questions we
didn't get to because there weresome really good ones that I
wanted to hit as long as we ran out of time.

(01:43:33):
As long as they're in Star, I think they stay there.
They stay there until the next live stream starts.
Oh, OK. So we could pull them up next
week pre show, but then. But then yeah.
Maybe Ramage will answer a few of them, you know, Make sure to
bring your questions next week. Don't forget about that.
And and and and there's a lot more I would love to talk about,

(01:43:53):
but but we got a we got a dip out of here in in the words of
the late, great, terrified Bulldog running away from the
Packers train and Micah Parsons.Thank you for listening.
Go, pack. Go.

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